we may be seeing the flattening of curves of case rates in Northern
Europe and Western Europe, northern America and other countries
of the world. We know that in the countries of Africa and South Asia, the curves are still rising fast. Those peaks are still yet to be experienced and we just don't know how severe those peaks are going to be. But what we do know is that people with disabilities will continue to bear the brunt of this pandemic. For me, ADD international, my central message is we have to focus on the countries of Africa and Asia and increase, double, triple our efforts to support the COVID-19 response in those countries. As we move through this pandemic, the strength of the partnership between IDA and IDDC will be paramount in achieving that. Right. I will pass over now to my colleague, Ruth. Ruth, it is wonderful to have you here today. Please, tell us the areas that you want to talk about for us today. Thank you. >> RUTH WARICK: Thank you very much, Jimmy. It is my pleasure to be part of this panel. Welcome to all of those who, by taking part in it. I will be speaking about issues affecting hard of hearing persons, as Jimmy has mentioned. The organization that I represent is the International Federation of Hard of Hearing People. And it's a network of organizations of individuals who have a hearing loss. For the most part, you can't tell by looking at someone if they have a hearing loss. Our condition is invisible. And as a result, it is often misunderstood. And particularly, our needs are being misunderstood in this pandemic. And there are a lot of us. According to WHO, there's an estimated 466 million people with hearing losses. So it's huge number of people that are being affected, many of whom are not visible to others. So even at the best of times, communication is our main challenge. And this challenge has been magnified during the COVID-19 pandemic. And I'm going to be speaking about three factors in particular that have impacted hugely on hard-of-hearing people. First of all, it's face masks. They're being worn by health providers, be of course, by necessity and increasingly all citizens are being urged to wear them. For example, in Canada where I live, the message is now that everybody should be wearing a mask. The thing is these masks cover a persons mouth and hard-of-hearing people rely on being able to see a person's face in order to read their lips, which enhances understanding what they're saying. And now that's taken away from us by masks. The second major factor affecting us is social distancing. That's doubling the range of contact in this terms of distance from other people. So they're further away from us than ever before. And even when -- with wearing a hearing aid, that doesn't compensate, because we still need to be close to the other person. And to use amplification devices is problematic. Usually amplification devices consist of two components, the transmitter and the receiver. And we can't give the other person the transmitter to be able to hold so either we have to hold it out and then the reception is not clear. So that's not necessarily a solution for usto overcome social distancing. And then the third issue is that we're all living in a quarantine-like state. And that's exacerbated our mental health issues, increased social isolation, loneliness. These are factors that affect people, all of us, but they also affect hard-of- hearing people for whom communication is particularly impacted. To overcome this, a lot of people are making contacts with others by telephone, going on to the web to have chats, but these are more challenging for hard-of-hearing people because they rely on being able to hear the other person. And without additional supports, this isn't possible. So the isolation is being heightened and includes also the situation with broadcasts not being captioned. And that means that people are lacking access to information. Furthermore, more students are being encouraged to learn online, but that will leave behind hard of hearing children, unless their need for access to information is accommodated. So those are three of the major problems we're facing. Now for some of the solutions. The international federation of hard-of-hearing people is advocating with IDA and our partners for captioning. What has happened during this pandemic is that it has really brought to light that we have a long way to go in terms of access with captioning. Particularly in developing countries. We are also advocating for the use of automatic speech recognition programs that will enable speech to be recognized automatically with captions for a means of online learning and everyday communication. At the same time, we still advocate for professional captioning for formal meetings and broadcasts. With respect to automated speech recognition program, usually these are not automatically available in apps unless one purchases what's called the premium program, and so we're advocating for the providers of these apps to reduce the prices and make them affordable for hard-of-hearing people. With regards to face masks, we're advocating for the use of clear masks or opaque face shields. Now, this is a solution that would be ideal, except that there is a limited supply. And there is a limited number of people that are able to wear them because of the supply not being there. And it is also something that has now been realized that is a necessity. The other complicating factor is that these face shields must meet a certain standard for it to be used or they won't be used by the health providers. And now that everybody is being encouraged to wear face masks, there's perhaps an opportunity for consumers to make their own face masks that are clear and there are actually some patterned on the website. I Googled it yesterday, and found a dozen of them. And we do also find during this pandemic that people are having lack of access to healthcare services, although some health providers are going out of their way to be available, which is great, but there is no Cochlear implant surgeries being done. And in developing countries, there are people reporting to us that they're having difficulty even getting batteries for their hearing aids. Finally, I want to mention that the economic impact is huge. And we haven't yet begun to see how huge that impact is. That will be something that we will be dealing with for months to come. At least at this point in time, we're calling on all Governments to provide financial support for hard of hearing and other people with disabilities who are financially impaired by the pandemic. I would like to close my comments by giving you a reference to our website where we have a lot of information. And our website is www.IFOHOH.org. That is www.IFOHOH.org. We have, if you can't find it directly. It is on the IDA website that you can link to our site. As Jimmy has mentioned, the cooperation and collaboration among all of the partners have been fantastic. And we are definitely part of that disability community and are glad to be working together with you. I look forward to people's comments and reactions. Thank you. >> JIMMY INNES: Thank you so much, Ruth. Really lovely to hear. I love the closing comment about collaboration and cooperation. I couldn't echo that strongly enough. A reminder with everyone who is with us today, please type your questions into the chat box. We don't have any so far. Otherwise, we're now going to switch continents from North America to Africa. And we're going to invite Betty to come in and tell us more about the impact of COVID-19 on persons with disabilities in Uganda. And the response that we're seeing so far. Betty, you're welcome. >> BETTY ACHANA: [Muted] >> JIMMY INNES: Betty, you are on mute. >> BETTY ACHANA: Oh, Jimmy. So sorry about that. Thank you very much for the opportunity. I'm so delighted to be here and to be speaking on this very, very sensitive topic this evening. Good evening everybody. My name is Betty Achana, I'm the executive secretary for National Union of women with disabilities of Uganda. Tonight, I am going to present a few issues that are impacting persons with disabilities in Uganda. Specifically, women and girls with disabilities. The different councils of disability. Now, National Union of women with disabilities is a women-led organization that handles all persons, all categories of disabilities for women and girls in Uganda. That are living with disabilities. We do not discriminate any. We have the short of hearing, the physical, the epilepsy, the mental health, all part of our organization. I am so glad to be speaking to us all this evening. So this is how it is in Uganda. First and foremost, in Uganda, we recognize and appreciate all the categories of disability. And with the Affirmative Action, the Government appreciated and give us a fully fledged Department of Disability under the Ministry of Gender, labor and social development. Honestly speaking, every DPO, disabled persons organization or person with disability is supposed to front their issues to the national level through this department within the Ministry of Gender, labor, and social development. Now, where is the challenge? Since the onset of COVID-19, it was announced in Uganda on the 18th of March, 2020. Since that onset, we wouldn't have expected that this department, through the ministry would give advice to the presidential and the international task force so they are informed about issues that are affecting persons with disabilities in the COVID era. We would have expected that they would come up with a standard operating measure that isthat isthat is presented to the international task force or the President themselves because they have an opportunity and it is their obligation to advise the President on issues that are impacting persons with disabilities nationwide. This has not happened. We have glued our eyes on the papers for a very long time, for a press release indicating and giving advisory. It has not happened. And because this has not happened, the Government has sent precautionary and preventive measures for COVID-19. And then precautionary measures then therefore come without inclusions of the limitation of the persons with disability. The different limitations. So the directive we have that is being implemented in this country is noninclusive. And without that inclusivety, we have the adverse effect of implementing the directive itself. For instance, the stay at home. The ban on the public transport means differently to the different category of disability. I'll take an example for -- take an example of persons living with epilepsy or mental health or sickle cell. We had a very recent case this last week. They needed to access the health center. We all know that they have to be stable, they have to be stabilized by their medication to survive. Some of them have to be transfused their blood exchanged for them to survive another day. Many of them on medication need this nutrition. All of this come with accessibility. They need the access. In Uganda, as we all know, the health centers, the medical centers, at this time, from our residential area. And there is a ban on transport. Least of all, even the motorcycles that the persons with disability are very comfortable jumping on, and getting to where they need to be. So this directive implementation has adversely and greatly affected the different categories of persons with disabilities. We plead daily, we plead daily for a look at -- a look into this directive for an inclusive measure. I know that as an organization we have pleaded to the ministry. We have written to the ministry of gender and the ministry of health. And yes, we have got responses. That your issues will be addressed to the President. And the President will be advise accordingly. Yes, every day we keep waiting when there is a press release and a presidential press release. And they -- nothing comes out. We are still pleading. We are still pushing for it. Now, secondly, the big issue with urban and rural persons with disabilities. This goes hand in hand with social economic lifestyles of this person. We know very well that especially the women with disabilities who have to provide food for the table for their children, notice women with disability are mostly single mothers. They're the most impor -- impoverished. They're living hand to mouth. You will not meet a disabled woman on the street, trying to survive, doing this and that, trying to do fashion and design, tailoring. Trying to do hair dressing for survival. Now all of this has been locked down. And is no standard specifically procedure of reaching out to them. Even though the Government is giving food aid, the Government is giving the masks, the protective gears if is giving out. But we cannot be sure that these people will access it, because there is no mapping that has been done to ensure people with disabilities included. Secondly, DPO, organizations of people with disability are excluded. These are people we look to in technical advice. In the absence of the exclusion of these people or persons with disabilities themselves, what happened? We're totally excluded. I know the Government is giving out food in the Cabela area or the urban area. This food has not reached these persons. Already we are having -- Ruth has clearly mentioned the hard of hearing. Before the food is distributed, someone goes out on a megaphone to announce tomorrow food will be distributed in such and such a place. But how is a person hard of hearing supposed to hear. You bring in the issue of social distancing. Probably they're living alone and there is not an interpreter for them. So it is very difficult to access the information around the aid that is going on. But again, it is more difficult to get a whole mapping and data of persons with disability. So that they're reliably planned for and programmed for and catered for in a special way. Now, on again, the rural and social economy. We know that most persons with disabilities had their link somewhere in the urban areas, those that were working in the urban areas, we're sending some sort of help downstream to the rural area. Now that is also cutoff. The cutoff starts with the lockdown, you cannot access market. Yes, the Government allowed for women to sleep in the marketplace, what is the hygiene at the marketplace like? Where are they going to sleep? And how are they transporting themselves to the market area? To be able to sleep there? With the limitation, are we going to allow them to go through another -- vulnerability of wash? So those are the implications of the lockdown. Now, sidely, we -- sadly we have the different disability categories. Ruth hinted on this. We have the education system. Right now in Uganda, we're doing e-learning. It is online. But how many people, children with disabilities are accessing the online? First and foremost, the gadgets are not accessible. Many of the families with children with disability do not have the gadgets. They may not have the smartphones, they may not have the TV, they may not have the radios. So they are totally locked out of the learning process that is ongoing. But other children are learning. Most of these things are online. Even if they had the gadgets, are we able to afford the data, the MBs, as we locally call it for us to be able to be online? Okay, if we can't afford that, are we in reach of electricity? Most of us are rurally residents, we do not have electricity. So we have those little nitty-gritty challenges that people in a nutshell underlook, but they are impacting persons with disability to a heavy magnitude. And we need them addressed. They seem so small on the face value, but they mean a whole life for a child with disability when it comes to education. Yet, we are in an era of leave no one behind. And the Government of Uganda embraces this at least politically. We should be inclusive in all of our actions. >> JIMMY INNES: Betty -- >> >> BETTY ACHANA: We have -- >> JIMMY INNES: Just finish up, we can move to the questions. Thank you. >> BETTY ACHANA: We have the messaging around the COVID-19 -- I'm sorry. I lost the sign language interpreter. I'm sorry about that. Oh, so the messaging is also there. It is based [audio skipping]. Look at a person -- a medical caregiver that is all dressed up like someone going to the moon. It looks so scary. But let alone that, the message comes out in a holistic, clinical manner. That if you do not do this, then you will die. The message would be more approachable if it was socially included. For instance, saying this is how you can prevent yourself. This is how you should protect yourself. This is how you talk to your guide or your interpreter. This is why we are putting these precautions in place. But the message as it is being sent out is only depicting death. And then I had a very interesting question yesterday. A person short of hearing asked me, so you're saying this is a viral infection? It has no cure. But we see Uganda discharging people who have been cured and healed of COVID-19. Yet, this is a message that is coming out in a very scary manner. So how do we reconcile the two? There is need for us to harmonize the clinical messaging and social aspect so it is appreciated and people can uptake it as is. >> JIMMY INNES: Betty, thank you. We will move on to the questions for a minute. If you have anything final to say, please wind it up so we can go to the questions. >> BETTY ACHANA: All right. We can go to the questions. >> JIMMY INNES: Great. Thank you so much Betty. Ruth, we have some questions coming in the chat box on the side. We're going to come for a question to you first. There has been some discussion in the chat box about issues that the hard-of-hearing community faces, for example, many banks require calling for activating or deactivating cards. This is presenting a big challenge for hard of hearing clients, customers. Other times, this group can go to the bank without taking a risk, but in this COVID situation, it is more of a risk for us to go to the bank and use a check. Ruth, does your organization have a position on this? >> RUTH WARICK: Thank you for this question, Jimmy. This is actually the first time that this issue has been raised. So I can't say we have a specific position. We have a position about accessibility. And this is clearly a case where there is a lack of accessibility, because the individual is not able to hear on the phone to be able to use it from order to activate or deactivate their card. So alternative solutions need to be found. And the alternative solution of dealing with this in person, unfortunately is now not available because of the pandemic where you can't go to the bank in person. Although, we do know that some shall services do allow for people to actually access that service. And they take precautionary measures to make sure that everyone is safe. In some countries, there is telephone relay system. So you can call or you can use your computer to contact somebody else who will do the speaking or the action for you. In other words, a kind of a personal assistant. But this is it really difficult to set up if it has not already been established. So I think what this pandemic is showing to us, is we're not well set up for some of the unique situations. They really haven't been thought through. Now what we have to do is sit down and talk with the people who are affected as well as those who are in the service industry. But what are the solutions that can best meet the needs of the individual? So I thank you to the person who raised this issue. >> JIMMY INNES: Thank you for your clear answer there, Ruth. Very helpful. Betty, there is a question here, I will put to you now. And it goes as follows: One of the biggest challenges facing persons with disabilities across the world, particularly in the Global South countries, is the very real risk of losing grounds on the rights based discourse of disability. More and more Governments are falling back on the medical model of protectionism rather than ensuring the rights of persons with disabilities are not being violated. I would love to him from Jimmy or Betty on your views on this. Betty over to you, please, first and then I'll share my thoughts afterwards. >> BETTY ACHANA: [Muted] >> JIMMY INNES: You are on mute, Betty. >> BETTY ACHANA: Sorry, Jimmy. I lost you. I was just trying to read the question. >> JIMMY INNES: I will reread it for you. >> BETTY ACHANA: Okay, okay. >> JIMMY INNES: One of the biggest challenges facing persons with disabilities is the risk that we're losing ground on the rights based discourse of disability with more and more Governments falling back on the medical model approach and protectionism rather than ensuring that the rights of persons with disabilities are not being violated. Is this something you are seeing in Uganda? What are your thoughts on that? >> BETTY ACHANA: Thank you very much, Jimmy. That is rightly so. I did mention it when I was speaking. It is something that is very visible in my country. Not only my country, originally it is affecting persons with disabilities. Simply because persons with disabilities are perceived differently by the different duty bearers and the different policymakers and the different policy implementers. It is unfortunate that we have not taken an intentional initiative to just have a moment to educate the duty bearerbearers, the policy bearers and policy implementers. When you see all of this action happening to people with disabilities, actions of rights violations, it clearly shows a lack of knowledge. And we should, as a country, have that moment, for instance, for the cops, the police, the forces to have a moment of studying and being educated on the issues of disability. I know that we have a university that has a department that is now fully pledged and bringing us issues of persons with disabilities. But to understand that they have rights and not clinical, rights that are not really clinical. Not medicinal all the time is something that we are still grappling with. We are fighting to come out of. Thank you, Jimmy. You could add on that. >> JIMMY INNES: Yeah, thank you. I want to speak on something you mentioned earlier, related to Uganda, about the national task force. And the fact that organizations of persons with disabilitiesdisabilities DPOs are not represented on the national task force. That is something beyond the national level to the district level. I think I am right that every district in Uganda has a district task force for emergencies in general. Right now, of course, that means for COVID-19 response. I'm not aware of representation of people with disabilities or organizations of persons with disabilities on those task forces. Are there any examples of that happening in Uganda, Betty? >> BETTY ACHANA: Yes. Thank you, again. Yes, it is -- after a long push, after a lot of letters were written and following up personally with phone calls, that would have been included up in the task force Committee meeting, and the different Committees. Writing up the letters to the national level and district level [audio skipping] were allowed to move to help out. And this has moved [indiscernible] tried [audio skipping] especially women, it is happening so much in northern Uganda where our field staff is allowed to pick the medications for persons with H.I.V. but also other disabilities. Persons with epilepsy and distributing them to remote areas. Inn -- in an doggo, we are allowed to specifically go out, [audio skipping] reach out to the persons with disabilities household and do a sense tization and awareness. Beyond that, we registered the persons with disabilities to receive aid. So in response to this, at district levels we're seeing more positive action compared to the national level. I am at the national level task force. The risk Committee meeting, but it is not something that you are going to get away with that you have spoken about this today and tomorrow you will see a result. . >> JIMMY INNES: I think that is the heart of the issue, isn't it? You mentioned in the beginning of that response it hasn't been automatic. You would expect to be automaticautomatically included. You had to fight for it, write lots of letters, make phone calls have side advocacy and lobbying to make sure persons with disabilities are represented in these structures. That to me is the heart of the question. All of the gains we had over the last 10, 20 years in disability right and inclusion, they're endangered of being unravelled. We are having to fight for the rights. It is a difficult situation we find ourselves in. It is a big concern as we continue to move through this pandemic. Great, I will move on to the next question now. Another one for you, Ruth. The question is here, how can we ensure that the new normal does not exclude people with disabilities, especially people who are hard of hearing? >> RUTH WARICK: I think it is buried in inclusion. We have to have a mind- set in our society that we need to include people with disabilities in the solutions and identifying the problems that require solutions. As you mentioned, both Betty and Jimmy, it is important that we do not lose ground from what we have gained in the past. So it is really important that organizationorganizations for people with disabilities are really in the forefront of advocating and that the rest of society takes responsibility to ensure that we're involved and included. Specifically, we need to know on the ground what are the issues that individuals are facing? So for example, IFOHO plans to conduct a survey. IDA is also doing a survey, to get information like we did in the session with the problem of banking, as one example. So then we find out, well, what are the issues? Then I always like to be positive in my approach. And to offer solutions. So we're identifying not just the challenges, but we're together to find the solutions for it. And I think if we go with that approach, that we're working from this together. We're all in this together. That we will create a more inclusive society. >> JIMMY INNES: Ruth, again, fantastic to hear. I have written it down, I couldn't agree more. We need to be positive and offer solutions. We have to be focused on solutions. The crisis demands that of us. We have to be finding ways forward, new ways of working together, ways of working with new people as we keep pushing through, absolutely agree with that. Good, Betty, coming back to you again, it is a bit of a follow-up question, really related to the last one about the representation of persons with disabilities on the crisis task forces, et cetera. The question here is: How do you think the inclusion of DPO representatives on the national task forces will help women and girls with disabilities reduce the impact of COVID-19 on their livelihood and. >> BETTY ACHANA: Hello? >> JIMMY INNES: I will come back to it again. It is about the national task forces and how do you think your representation or representation of DPOs on the task force and other structures, how can that help women and girls with disabilities and how can they help reduce the impact of COVID-19 on their livelihoods and on them? >> BETTY ACHANA: Thank you, Jimmy. The major reason why we formed the task force Committee across the country is to be an eye-opener. To say look here. You're targeting the entire population, but there is a minority population that you are not reaching. So with us being on the task force, we are bringing out the issues that affect the women and girls with disabilities at the forefront. To be able to be resorted like any other better than. I -- any other person. I will give you an example there was a lady in northern Uganda that we took medication to on a Monday. And on a Tuesday, the hut is torched. And so she loses not only the medication, but all the properties. And as an organization, we were not prepared to lift her from a level she dropped to, to a level to be alive. Being on the task force brought together other persons, not the DPO only, but the CSO with the Government and district level relationship in it that district and together, we have managed to bring this lady to a level to start life. She's not well to go, but yes, she's at a surviving level. So the biggest advantage we have of being in the task force is just to bring forth the issues of not only the women and girls with disabilities at this time in the COVID era, but generally the persons with disabilities. Thank you. >> JIMMY INNES: Thank you. That's really good. And I think from your particular organization's perspective, which is focused on the rights of women and girls with disabilities, I think you are the right person to question. Okay. We have like 10 minutes left of the Facebook Live. The questions are still coming in. Thank you for everybody for listening and commenting. I think this is a really useful conversation. We still have a few more to cover. We'll try to get through all of the questions, but if we run out of time, we will pause at that point, I'm afraid. Ruth, we have another question for you. Right at the beginning, when you were giving your opening comments, you mentioned that you had been Googling companies -- patterns for clear face masks. Somebody here has asked the question, and there any organization or group who is working on the standards are shields for best results for people who are hard of hearing or deaf people to wear? Is there any particular organization or group who is working on the standards, on the shields? >> RUTH WARICK: Jimmy, there definitely are organizations that are working on the issue of making more clear and opaque either face shields or masks available for health professionals. And they have to meet certain health standards, which otherwise are not going to be worn. And as I mentioned, there is a limited number of them in circulation, because no one has paid attention to the need for opaque or clear masks in the past because it hasn't been in widespread use. When it comes to consumers, there are no specific standards that are required. There are some masks with the standard of what they call the N-95. And our organization is working with these other organizations and networks within IFOHO within other countries, to identify who are the individuals that are developing the standards. I don't think that we're going to see the same level of standard required for the public in terms of masks. Right now, anyone can make a mask and it doesn't have to meet a particular standard. And it is still considered to have some level of effectiveness. But I think what we can do is share information on our website about where you can obtain that information. Still gathering it but we're realizing the importance of doing that. I hope that partially answers the question. I don't think it fully answers it. >> JIMMY INNES: That is great. A follow-up comment as well, Ruth. Someone has written, maybe we can contact mask manufacturers, it seems COVID is not going anywhere in the near future. So we will have to continue wearing masks. Maybe it is a good time to push and advocate for the production of transparent masks. >> RUTH WARICK: Absolutely. It is not going anywhere. We will find people wearing masks, routinely, in the future, even when the pandemic is over. It is going to become a new norm. And it is going to continue to be a huge challenge for hard-of-hearing people. Personally, I have experienced this several times. I go to the store, and the person is saying something to me, the clerk, and I have to say, first of all, I'm hard of hearing, I'm sorry, I can't hear you. I can't even offer to them a piece of paper and a pen to write down their comment, because people aren't touching objects. So they have to have their own pen and paper handy. It's going to take a huge awareness raising campaign for people to understand the problem and to able to even have a simple solution, which could be use of pen and paper, you know, the traditional method, as an alternative to high-tech. >> JIMMY INNES: Yeah, very helpful, thank you, Ruth, for that. Betty, one more question coming to you now, and it is related to the sexual reproductive health rights. The question is: Is there any way that the sexually reproductive rights and maternal health of women and girls with disabilities are being addressed during the COVID-19 response? >> BETTY ACHANA:o thank you, Jimmy, again. Noticeably, with the outbreak of the pandemic, most hospitals, health centers in this country were locked up. They were gated to specifically cut off the COVID-19. So most of the other illhealth issues, clinical health issues that were not so imagined and urgent and were set aside, and that includes the SRH aspect. Now, we also notice that within this era of COVID-19, there is an immense increase of sexual harassment for girls and women with disabilities. We just had a case of a 14-year-old girl in gullue. This was ripped, picked from the house in her house and raped by a local leader, local council 3 chairperson. Now, this is happening because most of the health centers are blocked out. They are not only blocked out but there's an issue, a challenge with accessibility. There is no transport. There is no peer-to-peer interaction any more. Ahem. Excuse me. There is no space for discussion of SRH, the safe spaces that were provided for this girl are not there any more. They cannot access the services for the sexual reproductive health. They cannot even just the community worker that was providing the service, so with the pandemic [audio skipping] it has been totaltotally difficult for the women and girls to access these services, I should say. >> JIMMY INNES: Thank you, Betty. I wanted to pick up on that point. Because it is really impressing on me. It is really affecting me when you say that there is no space for discussion of SRHR. It reminds me of something which I think is really important for us to take away from this session today, everybody who is here listening to it. Is that despite the great response that we're seeing around the world from IDA and IDDC and DPOs, and persons with disabilities all around the world, despite the great efforts that have already happened, I firmly believe that there is a total lack of attention paid to the specific challenges of women and girls with disabilities in some country settings, I think it is an area that we collectively as people that are pushing and driving to an inclusive COVID-19 disability responsibility have a responsibility to do more work to. I'm sure I'm preaching to the converted here. But Betty or Ruth, do you have anything you want to add on to that? Ruth to you first, then Betty. >> RUTH WARICK: Absolutely right, Jimmy. There are so many issues that are coming to the floor. And it is -- it breaks my heart, frankly. It almost brings tears to my eyes when I realize how individuals are being impacted. That they are having their personal safety compromised, and that the usual support mechanisms and safe spaces are not available to them in the pandemic. And how frightening that must be to the individual. We absolutely must do something about it. We must continue to be advocates. Not only for our own specific disability issues -- I talked a lot about the hard of hearing -- but I'm also committed to issues that are facing all people with disabilities and specifically as you mentioned, women and girls that we don't pay, as you mentioned, enough attention to. Fortunately in this forum, we're bringing this to the floor. That is really important. Betty, I want to say thank you so much for all the important work that you're doing. It is making a huge difference to those individuals. And thank you for carrying on despite, I'm sure what are very difficult times for you personally. >> JIMMY INNES: Thank you, Ruth. That's fantastic. Betty very quickly, we're running out of time. For the last one minute, you have anything else you want to add on to that? >> BETTY ACHANA: Oh, I -- Jimmy, say that again, I didn't get it. >> JIMMY INNES: We're at the end of the time. Do you have any brief last comments that you wanted to make? I think there is a problem with the sound for bety, but I Betty. But I will echo Ruth's comments. Your role in Uganda is critical. Even though Ruth is talking about, it is breaking my heart thinking about the individual circumstances that people are going through right now and continue to go through in a daily basis, I want to bring us back to the positive at the end and remind us of Ruth's pragmatic solution, focused approach to this, we have a duty, we have every opportunity to find solutions to support women and girls with disabilities to ensure that the specific challenges facing them during this period are addressed better, and I think it will be really important for us, collectively, internationally to ensure that that happens in the months and indeed years ahead as we move through this pandemic. I will stop there. Thank you all so much, Betty, Ruth, for your great perspectives, for all of the comments and questions that have come in. Before we close, I would like to remind everybody of the IDA and IDDC survey, which is out there, the disability rights organization monitor, for persons of disabilities and other stakeholders all invited to complete a survey to highlight the issues faced by persons with disabilities in the COVID pandemic. The link for the survey is in the pinned comment. You will see it in the chat box there. And please encourage your organizations, your Governments, your stakeholders in your own context. To respond. The more responses we get, the better information we have, the better advocacy we can do on the back of that. Just another reminder, the next Facebook Live will be midday, New York time, same time next week, more information will be shared through the normal channels. Keep an eye out for that. We thank you everybody, once again for your times, inputs, onwards, upwards, we have plenty of work to do. Together we will pull through. Thank you so much. [Concluded] >> Talin: Thank you, again, everyone. The questions were direct to you, people wanted to hear about what your organizations are doing and directly on the specific groups. So really great. Positive responses from everyone. Thank you again, cannot thank you enough. I'll send you a link to the recording in a while. So you can view it and see it back. If you are interested. Thank you. Thank you everyone. Take care. Take care. >> BETTY ACHANA: Thank you, thank you for getting out -- getting us all together. Thank you for pulling this through. It has been a great moment. Thank you for moderation. Thank you, Ruthie, you were so on point. And thank you to the sign language interpreter. Bless you all. It is a good night for me. But I know it is a good day for Ruth. Bye-bye. See you some day when the lifting is done. >> JIMMY INNES: Thank you, Betty. >> Talin, bye, everyone. >> Ruth? Hello, Ruth. I wanted to mention to you, Ruth. Is that Alex? >> Alex: Yes, this is Alex here. I know you have been having some issues since you can't read people's lives and things like that. I know in Brussels, we discussed me possibly helping you connect your hearing aid to your phone so your phone can be a transmitter. Of course, I was hoping to do that in person, but you know, I don't know when the next time I'll see you will be. So if you would like I am happy to, you know, do a zoom call or something to try to walk you through those steps. [Ruth] >> Alex: I mean, it is actually something that is embedded in the phone, it. >>S with the phone. It is not something you have to download. But it is something you have to set up. I don't know if you have the time right now. We can see. It is just in your settings. Finish we can take a quick minute now, if you want. Should we stay