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Welcome to /r/bayarea!
Generations and generations of people who have been physically killed but also
emotionally, psychologically and spiritually fucked up. Don’t forget that last bit.
That's why I prefaced my comment with "I understand the protests aren't just motivated
by the number of deaths." Did you not read that important bit?
What’s the vaccine for the things BLM’s are protesting against?
In part, teaching the next generation to view people with different skin color as equals.
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Oh i read that bit but perhaps you forgot when you conveniently left out those
numbers from your math calculations. That may fly with some but not me, just
wanted to remind you. 😂
Don’t worry tho, I got you.
“In part” wow what a qualifier, what’s the other parts? How deep does your ant-
racism go? How much are you willing to lose for equality? Reparations? Dismantling
of racist institutions? Affirmative actions? gasp
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Oh i read that bit but perhaps you forgot when you conveniently left out those
numbers from your math calculations.
My calculations were meant only for death numbers. There were ~250 black
people killed by American police last year, and black people are killed by police at
~2.5 times the rate white people are, which means that if these protests manage
to even those rates out, ~150 lives would be saved. On the other side, I could
easily see the protests causing ~15,000 COVID-19 deaths, in which case the 150
lived saved per year would need to be sustained for 100 years to match the
death toll of 15,000. However, saving 150 lives in 2020 doesn't mean these
protests (as opposed to actions taken in subsequent years) would also be
attributable for saving 100 lives in 2119.
How much are you willing to lose for equality? Reparations? Dismantling of
racist institutions? Affirmative actions? gasp
That's a big question I don't have time to give a comprehensive answer to ATM,
but when it comes to "spreading deadly disease that's likely to kill
innocent people", I place the bar for justifying that extremely high. People at
the protest getting COVID-19 doesn't just affect those at the protests; it also
affects those who they come into contact with.
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They are just trying to figure out if you've fully joined the cult or not.
https://newdiscourses.com/2020/06/cult-dynamics-wokeness/
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But it’s not just deaths that are being protested, they may have been
catalysts but the protests are about so much more so it’s a disingenuous
comparison. You must include the whole. And that whole number is far
greater than Covid deaths.
Furthermore, if not now then when? To expect black and brown folks to have
videos of modern lynching shown to them day after day and them have sit on
their hands is absurd. Everyone knows that there is a risk when they step out
but these folks would rather risk their lives than to sit idly as another person
gets lynched. This is the behavior not of rabble rousers but of heroes who are
willing to sacrifice themselves for a greater good, who are willing to place
themselves between the gears of the *state apparatus. Enough is enough.
The time is now. It is not just our right to protest but our duty to confront
injustice.
Also your claim that “your bar” is extremely high is laughable and I don’t see
it. It just seems like you’re intellectually dishonest and a coward.
You know what else kills innocent people? Racist institutions, they do it every
day and in far greater numbers than Covid. Now do me a favor and read
some fucking books.
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When I went out to protest in SF every single person had a mask on -- now that we know
masks help prevent spreading -- not catching -- covid. And I didn't touch anything that
wasn't my property.
Excellent! That's not going to prevent the spread, but that's much better than nothing
(especially when you can't really social distance when effectively protesting). However, I fear
protesters in other places (mostly in regions that previously had the dangerous re-open
protests) aren't taking much measures as much. I just hope any growth is linear, not
exponential.
It'll be interesting to see what the curve looks like in the coming weeks. However, it won't be
obvious how much an upswing in the curve is due to protests versus the economy partially
reopening.
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I knew this would happen. I just didn't know what the new thing would be. The American attention
span last about 3-4 weeks. I'm amazed covid lasted since March.
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When everyone was locked in their homes it took a while for a new problem to arise. Frankly I
thought it was going to be a war started by Trump...though I guess this isn't too far off that.
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Covid what?
I'm just sitting here drinking Corona on this nice day.
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Using military force to stop violence, looting, burning and civil unrest isn't fascism. Would you
prefer he let the cities burn? Oh dont answer I already know the answer "hes such a coward for
hiding and not acting in a time of crisis", There is no wining against the left.
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I don’t think you you know the definition of “existence.” Though they do not hold direct power,
neo-fascist groups still exist. The ideology is not dead.
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That isn't whats being discussed. White supremacy, fascism, "nazis", they are all a big
boogeyman for the left to project onto the entire republican party. I don't doubt that a few exist
but they are being talked about like they have any sort of legitimate power or threat. I'll take
these "protests" seriously if there's actually public nazi's elected into government offices, right
now its just a farce.
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When I worked at a call center for AT&T a customer that didn’t like what I had to say and called me
a fascist. I thought that was a little harsh. Then I looked up the meaning: Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a
form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible
suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy which
came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. That was AT&T. Trump may not have gotten
that far but he and the republicans are getting close
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Your ridiculous gaslighting isn't going to work. We know fascism exists. They're marching in the
streets with tiki torches chanting "the Jews will not replace us". They're shooting up synagogues,
mosques and black churches. Exhibit A of a fascist in power is Donald fucking Trump.
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Fuck Covid bro. That corner of Mission got Hepatitis on every surface.
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Don't worry, covid pledged not to infect any of the protesters as a show of solidarity
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A dangerous but gradually weakening virus that's now 3x as deadly as the flu, not the 20x as deadly it was
back in March.
People are standing up for their rights, and they're tired of living in fear. It's really great to see.
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That fatality rate for flu is also not correct. It's not based on any actual data and the true number is
undoubtedly far lower than commonly cited.
https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-—-influenza-deaths-request-correction-rfc
COVID-19 appears to have a real mortality rate of at least 0.7% which is likely at least 100X bad as
the actual flu death rate. I read another article that I can't find right now where an ER doctor
discussed these figures with other doctors he knew worldwide and not one of them had ever
witnessed a death from flu in their entire careers, whereas they were seeing a several people per
day in their care dying from COVID-19. It then went into further analysis explaining how CDC's
numbers are more or less made up.
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ok so open up??????
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I'm with you on that. The lockdowns have long outlived their usefulness. /r/LockdownSkepticism
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According to these virtue signalers in the picture: a hoax, just like President Trump said
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Lol! I lost a few brain cells reading that until I realized it’s satire.
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The protesters have already forgotten and jumped on the next bandwagon
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Yup, some of the same people who were ridiculing the lockdown protestors and calling them granny
killers are now doing the same thing
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I must have missed the photos where they were wearing masks and trying to keep distance
outside. All the shots I saw were of barefaced people screaming directly into (unarmored non-riot
clad) police officers eyeballs with a rifle on their shoulder indoors.
While I’m not thrilled that the current situation demands people protest given the recent pandemic,
that’s what we got thanks to years of systemic injustice and more recent failings. At least people
are trying their best to respect transmission prevention during all of this. What would really suck is
if police were using irritants that caused people to cough and spew saliva all over one another in
response to any protest right now...o wait.
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Wait they are protesting to end the quarantine? I haven’t heard that. In fact I would think most
people protesting are in favor of quarantine, especially as all the data are supporting that position,
eg break outs in Virginia
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Nope - that's why you're seeing so many masks on. Folks are scared AND angry. They are trying to be
careful while they fight for justice & support each other around them.
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AND congregating in large groups which is exactly what people shouldn’t be doing
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Masks aren't the biggest factor in containing spreads. The main reason we wear them is because
something is better than nothing. Virologists agree social distancing is the best and most effective
thing you can do. Now do I still think people should be able to/should protest? Abso-fuckin-lutely.
But let's just be honest about what were doing here. There's no amount of mental gymnastics you
can play to pretend this isn't a danger of spiking virus cases.
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I mean, there was that symptomatic hairdresser in MO who seems to not have infected anyone
because masks actually worked. Masks are a huge factor in this. Don’t downplay it.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/masks-covid-19-infections-would-plummet-new-
study-says
The full study is behind a paywall, but this article is worth reading. Social distancing is obviously
best, but 80% mask compliance reducing infection rate to one-twelfth when compared to no
mask compliance is huge.
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Hey, totally with ya! And again, I'm not advocating the protestors stay home. It just seems
to me that if you made these points with the mask and that it's less contagious than initially
thought a couple weeks ago you would definitely get massively downvoted and possibly
removed. Not insinuating that you by any means would act that way just kind of an
interesting observation. I also don't really know what im talking about at all so If this is
resonating with anyone be sure to remember that I'm something of a doofus
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My grandfather fought actual nazis in WWII and I was unable to attend his funeral due to COVID-19
restrictions....but yeah I guess i'm just triggered.
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If you think that has something to do with this protest then yes, you're clearly triggered.
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"Rules for thee but not for me" will piss off a lot of people who believe that societies which deviate
too far from the rule of law will not prosper.
(This is also why it's vital to push back against police unions, which even beyond qualified
immunity, are able to negotiate for different disciplinary procedures for their members than are
faced by the general public)
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im sorry for your loss but that has nothing to do with the protest. it's randomly bringing up something
sad to pretend you have an argument.
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”Look, I’m as liberal as they come but [INSERT VERY CONSERVATIVE POLITICAL OPINION]”
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Buahahhahahahahaha, far right. So far right that it became far left. I always laugh at how socialists of
any sort don't want to acknowledge their historical legacy of Italian fascism and German national
socialism. And yes, hate between various socialist groups was significant. National socialists vs
democratic socialists vs communists, they all hated each other.
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"Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State"? Both Democrats and
Republicans are in favor of it, they just want different shape of the State.
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Farolito is 🔥
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Eh..
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Nope, this is an election year, when these are done we'll have Covid right back where it belongs, endlessly
talked about on the news.
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Who's the fascists in this scenario? Be specific and try not to use labels.
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How about, the police who use violence to disperse peaceful protests, and the people who support that
activity or even call for using the military as well?
I mean, you could have just looked it up. We're not speaking in literary metaphors here.
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Hold on.
This whole shitshow has started in Minneapolis, MInnesota, which has:
Democrat governor.
Democrat Secretary of State.
Democrat State Auditor.
Democrat Sr US Senator
Democrat Jr US Senator
5 Reps are democrats vs 3 republicans
Democrat Mayor
Democrat AG
Democrat Police Chief
The state voted Democrat in 2016 General Elections
Where is Trump in this list?
Democrats fucked this up, in the state, county, and city controlled by Dems
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It’s not like this incident is isolated to Minneapolis. That’s just what set it off. Every few months
another black person is killed by police in a different city and state. Besides, the politicians, though
perhaps too complacent, didn’t put their knee on George Floyd’s neck, the cops did. Cops kill. And,
cops are overwhelmingly Republican. Many of them are so far right, they’re members of designated
hate groups. There is a long history there. These are the hate groups Donald Trump calls “very fine
people” and also identify as Nazis, aka literal fascists that we fought a war against.
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[–] CreatorCray 4 points 20 hours ago
Besides, the politicians, though perhaps too complacent, didn’t put their knee on George
Floyd’s neck
That doesn't make them innocent or even less guilty. Superiors are responsible for the fuck-ups
of their subordinates. And here it looks like that you (along with them) want to hide the
systematic issue, the same thing that all protesters are screaming about, and simply put it all
on one cop and three rookies. to lock them up and pretend that nothing ever happened. Same
people on the same positions would produce exactly the same policies.
With the logic like this none of the dictators ever did anything bad, it's their goons to blame,
right?
Oh, and under the same flawless logic - Trump didn't put his knee either. For all and all his
knee was even further than any knee of the MN politicians.
Fuck off with this “both sides” bullshit. Everyone knows which party foments racism for
political gain. Quit muddying the waters.
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Both sides? In this shitstorm only one side was involved, the same side that has control
over the state of MN.
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Deploying the military against peaceful protestors, flying predator drones over American cities,
locking asylum seekers and their children in cages, etc, etc, etc
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Are people here being anti fascist without knowing who or what a fascist is? Seems like. Someone describe
it.
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Looks like they are trying to say that everyone but them are fascists.
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Anyone the crowd labels fascist. It's a term that has joined the likes of Socialism, Communism, Capitalism,
and many other political terms in that it has no meaning anymore because it has been misused so often.
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We're onto Fascism now? This is what happens when you don't have any adults in the room. The American
public has gone completely mental and I don't know if we'll ever get out of this. Guess what, we still have a
virus that we don't have a cure or any widespread treatment for going around? Or was all that #stayathome
shit just more virtue signaling just like all of this is. Another social media viral movement for you to get in on.
Everyone needs to just shut the fuck up, go home or go to work.
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What's Fascism?
(According to Google)
Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power,
forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came
to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.
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Refuse fascism? So, does that make these protesters anti-fascists? Antifa? oMg LoOk tERrOrists!
Edit: apparently, I need to clarify that I’m joking. Trump/Barr declared “Antifa” a terrorist organization last
week, for those of you who don’t follow the news.
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c'mon Covid, do your thing, this is a nice swath of the Freshly Ripe for infection. Go get 'em, attaboy
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