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Disjoint Independent
This question has already been answered here with equations so adding two screen shots
from an MIT OCW lecture that captures the difference visually:-
The picture below is an example of disjoint or mutually exclusive events. The information
that A occurred immediately tells us B didn’t occur (and vice versa). So mutually exclusive
events are as dependent as two events can get.
Independent events
So the visual rendition for independence does not instantly reveal independence
- it only reveals a potential candidate for independent events. One is better off just
asking the simple question which may yield answer in most cases - does the
occurrence of one event have any impact on the occurrence of another (e.g. the
outcome of a coin toss does not influence the outcome of the next toss or another
coin’s toss- hence they are independent events). If the answer does not seem
obvious (an example below; Event A - at least one head ;Event B - at least one tail ),
then just check it numerically.
For exclusive events, the visual rendition instantly reveals disjointness, and
inevitably dependence.
Why isn’t a visual rendition sufficient for independence? Why does one have to resort
to a numerical check to confirm independence?
the visual rendition conflates two cases, one of which is two dependent events,
and the other independent events.
This perhaps has partly to do with the way overlapping events A and B are
defined. For example, if two events are defined as
o A - at least one head in two tosses; and B- at least one tail in two
tosses. It need not be two sequential tosses -it could be two coins tossed
simultaneously; A - head in coin 1 or coin 2; B- tail in coin 1 or coin 2.
These are dependent events.
The venn diagram will be misleading in this case.
o If A is defined as A- head in first toss; B - head in second toss. It
need not be two sequential tosses either -it could be two coins tossed
simultaneously; A - head in coin 1; B- head in coin 2.
These are independent events.
The venn diagram will be correct in this case.
The ambiguity arising from the conflation of these two cases into one venn
diagram rendition is apparent when one examines the disjoint elements of events
A and B, once we acquire knowledge that one of the events happened.
So, if the knowledge that A occurred eliminates at least one element in B that is
not intersecting with A from happening, not only by applying A’s definition of the
event, but also by from B’s definition of an event, then events A and B are not
independent - because knowledge of occurrence of A tells us that even those
elements in B that are not intersecting with A could not have happened, by even
B’s definition. On the other hand, if the knowledge of event A occurring eliminates
all non intersecting elements in B only from A’s perspective, but does not violate
B’s definition for even one of them, despite the knowledge A happened, then A
and B are independent. See figure below for both these cases.
There is an answer here on Quora attempting to remedy this deficiency of visual
rendition by Venn diagram How do you draw a Venn Diagram to the probability of
two independent events?
Another answer explains the deficiency of visual renditions with Venn diagrams
in general including independence, though it is of value in other cases, like the
mutually exclusive events mentioned earlier, and also for narrowing down the
search space of independent and dependent events. Why do some statisticians
dislike Venn diagrams?
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Kaustav Saha
Answered May 13, 2016
If two events (A and B) are mutually exclusive and the chance of event A occurring is 0.4 and
event B occurring is 0.8, what is the probability of both events occurring simultaneously?
A and B
Mutually Exclusive Says -- If event A occurs event B can't occur and vice versa.
Independent Event implies - Event A and B don't influence each other, in other words event
A occurring gives us no extra information of event B occurring.
Examples
In a coin toss you can only have heads and tails, If you get a head you will not get a tail. So
for a single coin toss Occurrence of head and tail is mutually exclusive.
Whereas if you have two coins , you toss them together, getting a head in 1st coin has no
iflunece on 2nd coin, so occurence of head in two diffeerent coi
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Mutually exclusive - occurrence of one would prevent the occurrence of the other
Consider tossing a coin, occurrence of head and tail are mutually exclusive but you can not
call them independent as occurrence of one obviously prevents another from happening
and hence they are dependent. None of mutually exclusive events can be independent.
Consider tossing twice and the two events of obtaining head in first toss and obtaining
head in second toss. Now this is independent event as one event has no say on other on
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Events are mutually exclusive if the occurrence of one event excludes the occurrence of the
other(s). For example: when tossing a coin, the result can either be heads or tails but cannot
be both.
Events are independent if the occurrence of one event does not influence (and is not
influenced by) the occurrence of the other(s). Again, with the example of coin tossing; when
tossing two coins, the result of one flip does not affect the result of the other.
This of course means that mutually exclusive events are not independent, and independent
events cannot be mutually exclusive.
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Independent Events - When occurance of one event doesnt depend upon the occurance of
another. Eg: Rolling of a dice and tossing a coin. The probability of rolling a 6 on a dice is
independent of the the probability of a getting a tails on the toss of a coin.
Mutually Exclusive events - When out of two events, only one can occur. If event A occurs, B
can't and vice versa. Eg: Getting a head and tail on a single toss of a coin. Not possible.
Hence event of getting a head or a tail on the toss a coin are mutually exclusive events.
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Mendelsohn Chan
Answered December 24, 2016
Originally Answered: What is the difference between mutually exclusive and independent events?
In simple terms, Mutually Exclusive events CANNOT both happen at the same time,
so P(A ∩ B) = 0 ; Here’s an intuitive example I can think of to illustrate this:
When two events are said to be independent of each other, what this means is that the
probability that one event happens does not affect the probability of the
other event happening.
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Kohji Wada
Answered December 15, 2016
One way to think of it is similar to taking turns. When multiple people take turns one after
the other, it means the same thing (s) can happen but at different times. In an independent
event, the outcome of one event does not affect the outcome of the other, which is also like
taking turns. That is why it is called independent. The similarity between both of these types
of events anything can happen, but not all at the same time. The difference is in a mutually
exclusive event, NOTHING can happen at the same time. In an independent event,
ANYTHING can happen at the same time.
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Independent events are equally likely whether or not the other occurred, like getting red in
roulette and getting an even number on the same spin (counting 0 and 00 as neither red
nor even as the croupier will do).
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Please check this video on Mutually Exclusive and Inclusive Events in Probability on Youtube.
It explains the relation between Mutually Exclusive and Independent and Dependent Events
in Probability.
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