A Society Without Envy

by Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja

[This wonderful lecture was one of the last given by Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja, before departing from this
world]

Mayapura: February 21, 1995 - Srimad Bhagavatam 4.18.33 - 36

gunadhikam mudam lipsed

anukrosam gunadhamat
maitrim samanad anvicchen
na tapair abhibhuyate

Translation: Every man should act like this: when he meets a person more qualified than himself he should be very
pleased; when he meets someone less qualified than himself, he should be compassionate toward him; and when he
meets someone equal to himself, he should make friendship with him. In this way one is never affected by the
threefold miseries of this material world.

Purport by Srila Prabhupada: Generally when we find someone more qualified than ourselves, we become
envious of him; when we find someone less qualified, we deride him; and when we find someone equal we become
very proud of our activities. Theses are the causes of all material tribulations. The great sage Narada therefore
advised that a devotee should act perfectly. Instead of being envious of a more qualified man, one should be jolly to
receive him. Instead of being oppressive to a less qualified man, one should be compassionate toward him just to
raise him to the proper standard. And when one meets an equal, instead of being proud of one's own activities before
him, one should treat him as friend. One should also have compassion for the people in general, who are suffering
due to forgetfulness of Krsna. These important functions will make one happy within this material world.

Lecture by Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja

These are the instructions of Narada Muni. Narada Muni is a mahajana, and this is mahajana-vakya, the words of a
great personality. Mahajana yei kahe, se satya mani --- what a sadhu-mahajana says, that is truth, satya. Mahasano
yena gatah sa pranthah --- the mahajana has shown us the path, and that is the path we have to tread. We have to
follow the footprints of the mahajanas. There is no need of manufacturing some new path. Here Narada Muni
instructs Dhruva Maharaja how to be happy here --- how one should behave and how he should deal with others so
that he will never be affected by the threefold miseries of the material world. "When he meets a person more
qualified than himself, he should be very pleased; when he meets someone less qualified than himself, he should be
compassionate toward him; and when he meets someone equal to himself, he should make friendship with him."
These are the dealings of a Vaisnava, a devotee. One who is not a vaisnava, he behaves in the opposite way. As Srila
Prabhupada has said in his purport: "Generally we find someone less qualified, we deride him; and when we find
someone equal we become very proud of our activities. These are the causes of all material tribulations." Whatever
is said here by Narada Muni describes the behavior of a Vaisnava, especially a madhyama-adhikari (second class)
Vaisnava.

srimad-bhagvatam pramanam amalam prema pum-artho mahan sri caitany mahaprabhor matam idam tatradaro na
parah (Caitanya matta manjusa)

Srimad-Bhagvatam is amala-pramana, the spotless proof, and prema-pum-artho mahan, prema bhakti is the highest
truth. These are the opinions of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

bhgavati je na mane se yavana sama

tara sasta ache janme hanme prabhu yama
(CB. Adi, 1.39)

On who does not accept Srimad-Bhagavatam is a mleccha and a yavana. He is to be punished by Yamaraj, not for
one life, but janme janme -- life after life. So we should accept Srimad Bhagvatam, and all mahajana vakyas are
there.
 Madhyama-adhikari
These are the dealings of a madhyama-adhikari:

isvare tad-adhinesu
balisesu dvisatsu ca
prema-maitri-krpopeksa
yah karoti sa madhyamah
(Bhag. 11.2.46)

Isvare, one who has developed love for isvara, love for the Supreme Lord Krsna; tad-adhinesu, one who has
developed friendship with those who are equal Vaisnavas; balisesu, one who becomes compassionate or merciful
towards balisa, ignorant fools, murkha, and dvisatsu ca, one who ignores an offender is a madhyama-adhikari. A
madhyama-adhikari behaves in this way.

In Harinama Cintamani also Bhaktivinoda Thakura Mahajana, a great acarya in our Gaudiya Vaisnava-parampara,
has said like this:

krsne prema krsna bhakte maitri acarana

balisete krpa ara dvesi upeksana
karile madhyuama-bhakta suddha-bhakta hana
krsna-name adhikara karena arjana

Krsne prema krsna-bhakte maitri acarana, one who develops love for Krsna and makes friendship with krsna
bhaktas; balisete krpa, one who becomes compassionate or merciful towards a balisa, a murkha, and ignorant fool;
are dvesi upeksana, one who ignores an offender; someone who behaves like this is a madhyama-bhakta.
Madhyama-bhakta suddha--bhakta hana, such a madhyama-bhakta becomes a suddha-bhakta, a pure devotee. Then
what happens? Krsna-name adhikara karena arajana, then he gets adhikara (qualification) in chanting krsna-nama.
This is Bhaktivinoda Thakura's instruction.

Kanistha-adhikari
In this connection we'll also speak about who is a kanishta-adhikari:

arcayam eva haraye

pujam yah sraddayehate
na tad-bhaktesu canyesu
sa bhaktah prakrtah smrtah
(Bhag. 11.2.47)

A kanistha-adhikari is one who offers worship to the Deity form of Lord Hari, arca-vigraha, according to laukika-
sraddha (ordinary faith), not sastriya-sraddha (faith based on sastra). It is a question of sraddha. Two types of
sraddha are there, sastriya-sraddha and laukika sraddha. When we speak of sraddha we mean sastriya-sraddha.
One should develop sastriya-sraddha, not laukika sraddha. And, na tad-bhaktesu canyesu sa bhaktah prakrtah
smrtah, one who doesn't pay respect to hari bhakta, the devotee of Lord Hari, and isn't compassionate toward other
living entities in whom Lord Hari is present, he is a kanistha-bhakta.

Uttama-adhikari
Then who is an uttama-adhikari?:

sarva-bhutesu yah pasyed

bhagavad-bhavam atmanah
bhutani bhagavaty atmany
esa bhagavatottamah

"The most advanced devotee sees within everything the soul of all souls, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Sri
Krsna. Consequently he sees everything in relation to the Supreme Lord and understands that everything that exists
is eternally situated within the Lord." (Bhag. 11.2.45) Also in Caitanya-caritamrta, Stavara-jangama dekhe, na dekhe
tara murti
Sarvatra haya nija ista-deva-sphurti (Madhya 8.274)

This is uttama-adhikari. He sees the moving and nonmoving entities, sthaivara-jangama, but he never sees their
outward form. What does he see? He sees his ista, his most beloved Deity, Krsna, everywhere, sarvatra haya nija
ista-deva-sphurti. This is a completely Krsna conscious person. And who is completely Krsna conscious and what is
complete Krsna consciousness? Krsna says in Bhagavad-gita:

yo man pasyati sarvatra

sarvan ca mayi pasyati
tasyaham na panasyami
sa ca me napanasyati
(Bg. 6.30)

"One who sees Me everywhere and sees everything in Me, he is completely Krsna conscious, tasyaham na
panasyami sa ca mena panasyati. I am never out of his sight and he is never out of my sight. He sees Me, I see him.
This is complete krsna consciousness. That is an uttama-adhikari. Stavara-jangama dekhe, na dekhe tara murti,
sarvatra haya nija ista-deva-sphurti, he sees moving and nonmoving entities but never sees the outward form.
Everywhere he sees his ista, his most beloved Deity, who is there in the heart, Lord Krsna. That is an uttama-
adhikari.

Then there is bhagavata-uttama. Who is a bhagavata-uttama?

visrjati hrdayam na yasya saksad

dharir avasabhihito Œpy aghaugha-nasah
pranaya-rasanaya dhrtanghri-padmah
sa bhavati bhagavata-pradhana uktah

"One who chants the holy name of the Supreme Lord, Hari, even unconsciously is freed from all sins. When Lord
Hari grants liberation from sin to one who even unconsciously or negligently chants His holy name, the position of
one who never abandons the shelter of His lotus feet must be considered highly exalted. Such a devotee can never
give up the association of the Lord, nor can the Lord give up his association of the Lord, nor can the Lord give up
his association. Krsna Himself dwells eternally within his heart. Such a great soul is known as bhagavata-pradhana
--- the most exalted devotee of the Lord."
(Bhag. 11.2.55)

By uttering the name of hari all sinful reactions are destroyed, and that Hari is bound up in the heart of a Vaisanva,
pranaya-rasanaya, but the rope of love. In other words, Lord Hari never leaves the heart of such a Vaisnava, a
bhagavata-uttama.

According to Faith
Also in Caitanya-caritamrta Kaviraja Gosvami has spoken of these three types of Vaisnavas.

Sraddhavan jana haya bhakti-adhikari

Œuttama', Œmadhyamna', Œkanistha'---sraddha anusari
(CC. Madhya 22.64)

According to one's sraddha, faith, one's eligibility for bhakti is classified as uttama, madhyama or kanistha.

sastra-yuktye sunipuna, drdha-sraddha yanra

Œuttama-adhikari' sei taraye samsara
(CC. Madhya 22.65)

One who is very expert in presenting sastric evidences and who has unflinching faith in sadhu-sastra-guru,
unflinching faith in Krsna, drdha-sraddha, he is uttama-adhikari. Taraye samsara, he can deliver the whole world.
 sastra yukti nahi jane drdha, sraddhavan
madhyama-adhikari sei maha-bhagyavan
(CC. Madhya 22.67)

Who is madhyama-adhikari? He doesn't know so much sastra-yukti, logical arguments on the basis of revealed
scripture, but he is drdha sraddhavan, he has strong faith in sadhu-sastra-guru, strong faith in Krsna. Sadgati-
padata krsne karaha visvasa, put complete faith, unflinching faith, in Krsna, who is adgati-padata. One who does so
is madhyama-adhikari. Sei maha-bhagyavan, he is very fortunate.

Two Kinds of Faith

Yahara komala sraddha, se Œkanistha' jana
Krame krame tenho bhakta haibe Œuttama'
(CC. Madhya 22.69)

One who has not developed sastriya-sraddha (faith in sastra) but has developed only laukika-sraddha (faith in what
common people say), he is kanistha-adhikari. Sastriya-sraddha is described in Caitanya-caritamrta:

Œsraddha'‹sabde---visvasa kahe sudrdhna niscaya krsne bhakti kaile sarva karma krta jaya (CC. Madhya 22.62)

Sraddha means visvas, faith, sudrdha, very strong faith, unflinching faith. Faith in what? Faith in sadhu-sastra-guru,
faith in Krsna. This is faith. If someone develops krsna-bhakti, all his activities are finished, krsne bhakti kaile
sarva-karma krta haya. Nothing is left out if you have faith.

yahara koimala sraddha, se'kanistha'jana

krame krama tenho bhakta haive'uttama'
(CC Madhya 22.69)

Whose sraddha is soft, who has not developed sastriya-sraddha, only laukika-sraddha, he is kanistha jana, a
neophyte. By associating with more elevated Vaisnavas, hearing from them and putting firm faith in their words,
gradually he will make advancement and ultimately also become uttama.

What is sastriya-sraddha and what is laukika-sraddha? Sastriya sraddha means unflinching faith in the sastriya
siddhantas, the teachings which are given especially as found in the Srimad Bhagavatam, which is the essence of all
Vedas, Vedanta, and Upanishadas:

sarva-vedanta-saram hi
srimad-bhagavatam isyate
tad-rasamrta-trptasya
nanyatra syad ratih kvacit
(Bhag. 12.13.15)

Srila Jiva Gosvami has put emphasis on sastriya-sraddha. One should develop sastriya-sraddha, not laukika-
sraddha. One who is a neophyte devotee, a kanistha-adhikari, he has only faith in the words of materialistic people,
materialistic scientists, philosophers, etc. He has not developed faith in the words of sadhus, Vaisnavas, mahajanas,
those who are acaryas.

For example, people in this locality say, "Oh there is a ghost in that tree." Then someone comes and hears from
them. He says, "Oh, the people say there is a ghost in that tree." If he comes to this area when the electricity is off
and there is dense darkness, he may see something --- as if someone is standing there wearing white cloth. "Oh, yes!
A ghost is there." Because he has heard it from these people. This is laukika-sraddha. But when the electricity
comes, he sees, "Oh, what is this" Oh, it is only a dead tree". Because it looks white he thinks it is a ghost.

We should not develop laukika-sraddha. We should develop sastriya-sraddha. Unless you develop sastriya-sraddha,
unless you deal with others as Narada Muni has instructed here, then you will be affected by the threefold miseries
of this material world. You will never be happy

Vaisnava aparadha
So who are offenders? Skanda Purana states that there are six types of offenders and they all fall down and go to
raurava, naraka (hell).

nindam kurvanti ye mudha

vaisnavanam mahatmanam
patanti pitrbhih sardham
maharaurava-samjnite

hanti nindati vai dvesthi

vaisnavan-nabhi-nandati
krudhyate yati na harsam
krudhyate yati na harsam
darsane patanani sat

Skanda Purana says, nindam kurvanti ye mudha vaisnavanam mahatmanam --- those who blaspheme a mahatma
Vaisnava, they are great offenders. Patanti pitrbhih sardham maharaurava-samhnite - they definitely go to maha-
raurava, naraka. Not only them, but pitrbhih (all his ancestors also). The six types of offenders are: those who try to
kill a Vaisnava; those who blaspheme a Vaisnava; those who upon seeing a Vaisnava do not pay pranama,
obeisances, those who become angry with a Vaisnava; those who develop enmity with a Vaisnava; and those who
upon seeing a Vaisnava do not become jolly, but instead curve their faces, "Oh who is he!" They are offenders. Here
Prabhupada says, "Instead of being envious of a more qualified man, one should be jolly to receive him." Instead of
becoming jolly, such a person becomes envious and covers his face. He is an offender. These six types of offenders
fall down to maha-raurava, naraka.

See Krsna Everywhere

Srila Prabhupada formed this society for Krsna consciousness. It is a society of Vaisnavas. Why did he form the
society? Because those who will become members of this society should develop complete Krsna consciousness.
That opportunity is given here.

yo mam pasyati sarvatra

sarvam camayi pasyati
tasyaham na pranasyami
sa ca me na panasyati
(Bg. 6.30)

This Bhagavad-gita verse describes complete Krsna consciousness. Krsna says that one who sees Him everywhere,
stharva-jangama dekhe, na dekhe tara murti, sarvatra haya nija ista-deva-sphurti, he sees the different moving and
nonmoving entities, but he never sees their outward form. He sees his ista, his move beloved Diety, Krsna
everywhere. Who is such a person?

bhakta ama preme bandhiyache hrdaya-bhitare

jahan netra pade tahan dekhaye amare
(Cc. Madhya 25.127)

That devotee who as bound Me up in his heart with the rope of love, jahan netra pade tahan dekhaye amare such a
bhakta, wherever he looks he sees Me. Such a premi-bhakta, who has bound up Krsna with the rope of love in his
heart, he can see Krsna everywhere. Otherwise no one can see Krsna everywhere.

Krsna also says:

naham prakasah sasrvasya

yoga-maya-samavrtah
mudho'yam nabhijanati
loko mam ajam avyayam
(Bg. 7.25)

These are the words of Krsna. "I am never manifest before everyone, I am never manifest everywhere. I am covered
by My yoga-maya potency. Mudho Œyam nabhijanati. Krsna says they are mudhas, rascals, "They cannot see Me.
They cannot understand Me." In other words, Krsna keeps Himself hidden. But if Krsna keeps Himself hidden, how
can we see Him? Who can see Him? Bhakta ama preme bandhiyache hrdaya-bhitare, jahannetra pade tahan
dekhaye amare. Only such a premi-bhakta can see Him, one who has developed krsna-prema, who has bound up
Krsna in his heart with the rope of love. This bondage is very, very strong. Even Krsna, who is almighty, cannot
break it. He says na paraye na paraye na paraye, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot. Such bondage is so strong. Krsna
cannot keep Himself hidden before the eyes of such a premi-bhakta. A premi-bhakta sees Him everywhere, though
Krsna keeps Himself hidden.

Society Without Envy

This is the society for Krsna consciousness formed by Srila Prabhupada. One who becomes a member of this society
gets the opportunity to develop complete Krsna consciousness, to see Krsna everywhere.

yo mam pasyati sarvatra

sarvam ca mayi pasyati
tasyaham na panansyami
sa ca me na panasyati
(Bg. 6.30)

This is the goal. Prabhupada has written in his books, "The Krsna consciousness movement aims at creating an
atmosphere of non-envy. Of course, it is not possible for everyone to become Krsna conscious, but the Krsna
consciousness movement can create an exemplary society wherein there is no envy." Where is the question of
enviousness? One who is envious is not a Krsna conscious person. In other words, he is not a Vaisnava. A real
Vaisnava sadhu is not at all envious. He sees every jiva as Krsna's jiva. Krsna is the object of his love, so how will
he be envious?

Enviousness means lust. What does that mean? Pride is your enemy, crookedness (kapata). If someone is making
advancement on the spiritual path, others become envious of him. They cannot tolerate it. "Oh, he is making such
advancement." They start to speak all nasty things about him. Combining together, they start pulling down on him
and attacking him. This is enviousness. In a society of Vaisnavas that should not be done. A Vaisnava is not envious
at all, atra paramo nirmatsaranam satam vedyam. Who understands bhagavata-dharma-tattva? Only a Vaisnava,
who is non-envious can understand. Others will speculate, "Oh, this is that, this is that." Only speculation will go on
because they cannot understand. They are not Vaisnavas, they are all envious persons. Prabhupada says, "One who is
envious of the success of a Vaisnava is certainly not a Vaisnava himself but an ordinary mundane man." He may be
pretending to be a Vaisnava, but actually he is only an ordinary mundane man.

If the purpose of forming his society fails, how will Sria Prabhupada be happy ? This is a most important factor. So
here it is said, "Generally when we find someone more qualified than ourselves, we become envious of him." This is
the general nature of people who are avaisnavas; who are not Vaisnavas, they become envious when they see a
person more qualified than themselves. But a Vaisnava, who is completely Krsna conscious, he'll never become
envious. "Instead of being envious of a more qualified man one should be jolly to receive him." Krsne prema krsna-
bhakte maitri acarana -- he who develops krsna-prema, he develops friendship with Vaisnavas, krsna-bhaktas. And
when he sees a more qualified Vaisnava than himself he becomes jolly. That is a real Vaisnava, a pure Vaisnava. This
is the purpose for which Srila Prabhupada formed this society for Krsna consciousness.

Compassion
Therefore Prabhupada says, “The Krsna consciousness movement can create an exemplary society wherein there is
no envy at all." Prabhupada says in the concluding lines of his purport, "One should also have compassion for the
people in general who are suffering due to forgetfullness of Krsna.” Who becomes compassionate for the people in
general? One who is a completely Krsna conscious person, who sees Krsna everywhere; only he can become
compassionate. Otherwise, how can one have compassion? The jiva is suffering. He is Krsna's jiva, so why is he
suffering? It's because of his forgetfulness of Krsna. One who sees Krsna and who sess the jiva's relationsip with
Krsna, he becomes compassionate. Otherwise, there is no question of compassion. This is most important. Only such
a Vaisnava who sees Krsna everywhere is a completely Krsna conscious person. He becomes compassionate.

Prahlada Maharaja, a pure devotee, saw his most beloved Lord in a stone pillar. "Yes, the lord is everywhere."
However when his very powerful demoniac father Hiranyakasipu, who had conquered the three worlds, heard his
son Prahlada Maharaja speak like this, he became angry, "Why you say He's everywhere. Is He there in this stone
pillar?" Who sees? A completely Krsna conscious person, a premi-bhakta, always sees. Bhakta ama preme
bandhiyache hrdanya-bhitare, jahan netra pade tahan dekhaye amare; wherever he looks he sees Krsna. Krsna gives
him darsana. Krsna cannot keep Himself hidden from the vision of such a completely Krsna conscious person, a
premi-bhakta, always sees. Bhakta ama preme bandhiyache hrdaya-bhitare, jahan netra pade tahan dekhaye amare;
wherever he looks he sees Krsna. Krsna gives him darsana. Krsna cannot keep Himself hidden form the vision of
such a completely Krsna conscious person, premi-bhakta. The premi-bhakta says, "Yes, He's there." But his
demoniac father, who had conquered over the three worlds, could not see.

It is a question of vision. One who sees Krsna everywhere, one who sees krsna-sambandha; the relationship with
Krsna, that the jiva is suffering because of a lack of Krsna consciousness, he will think , "Let me go and inculcate
Krsna consciousness into others." That is the real beneficial work. Therefore, if one develops Krsna consciousness,
understands his position, and establishes his relationship with Krsna, there will be no suffering at all. Such a
Vaisnava who sees Krsna and krsna-sambandha everywhere, his heart bleeds seeing the suffering of the jivas here.
He cannot sit tightly. He will go out and preach the science of Krsna consciousness. "Yes, let everyone be Krsna
conscious, let everyone be happy."

Prabhupada's Purpose
Therefore, in this verse Narada Muni sayus, "Every man should act like this." So there will be no miseries at all.
This world will be turned into a vaikuntha jagat, "When he meets a person more qualified than himself he should be
very pleased." There should be no enviousness. This enviousness is one of your enemies. Kama, kridha, lobha,
moha, mada, matsarya; in Sanskrit it is matsarya. Enviousness is one of your six enemies.

The second verse of Bhagavatam says, darmah projhita-kaitavo Œtra paramo nirmatsaranam satam vedyam. Who
can understand bhagavata-dharma-tattva; what is said in Srimad-Bhagavatam? Paramo nirmatsaranam stam
bedyam. Satam means devotee, Vaisnavas. Paramo nirmatsaranam; those who are not envious at all. Only they can
understand Srimad-Bhagavatam. Only they can understand bhagavata-dharma-tattva. Otherwise the Bhagavata will
never appear, never manifest at all. This is a most important thing and this is the purpose for which Srila Prabhupada
formed the Society for Krsna Consciousness. The Krsna consciousness movement aims at creating an atmosphere of
non-envy. "Of course it is not possible for everyone to become Krsna conscious, but the Krsna movement can create
an exemplary society wherein there is no envy." This is the purpose of Srila Prabhupada, the Founder-Acarya of
ISKCON, International Society for Krsna Conscoiusness; that all should be pure Vaisnavas, Vaisnava in the true
sense. A Vaisnava is not envious. He's nirmatsara, not envious at all. That is Vaisnava. Here Prabhupada says,
"Generally when we find someone more qualified than ourselves we become envious of him." All mahajanas have
said. Bhaktivinoda Thakura has said. Sastra says. Narada Muni, a mahajana, here he says.

Wicked Person
Bhaktivinoda Thakura Mahajana, who is considered the Seventh Goswami, a great acarya in our Gaudiya-Vaisnava-
parampara has said (Sarangati 4):

parere udvegadiyachi je kata

diyachi jivere klesa

I am such a rascal, such an envious person. I always give pain to others and put them in anxiety.

nija sukha lagi'pape nahi dori

daya-hina svartha-para

I am very selfish for my own name, fame, adoration and prestige‹for my own happiness.

I am not afraid of committing any sinful activity. Daya-hita, I am a merciless preson a greatly selfish person.

Para sudhe dukhisada mithya-bhasi

Para-dukha sukha-kara

When I see someone is becoming more advanced it is very painful to me, so I become envious. Sada-mithya, I only
speak lies. Para-dukha sukha-kara, when I see someone is suffering I become jolly, "Yes, very good, very good!"

asesa kamanahrdi majhe mora

krodhi dambha-parayana

So many material desires are there in my heart. I gen angry in flimsy cases. Dambha-parayana. I am proud, puffed
up fellow, "I am great! Is there anyone greater than I?" Especially in Kali yuga, the most degraded age, this pride is
the measuring rod. Everyone thinks, "I am great" Then another says, "What? You are great? I am great!" Then
fighting , quarrelling begins. This is Kali yuga. This dambha, pride, is the measuring rod. Two persons quarrel. Two
groups quarrel. Two neighbors quarrel and fight. Two states, two nations, "I am great! Hey! What are you? You are
great? I am great!!" Then fighting. This is dambha (pride).

mada-matta sadavisaye mohita

himsa-garva vibhusana

I am always puffed-up and proud, intoxicated with the desire for material enjoyment. I am a great materialistic
person, and hims-garva, always envious and proud. These are my ornaments, vibhusana.

nidralasya hata sukarye virata

akarye udyogi ami
pratistha lagiyasathya-arcana
lobha-hata sada kami

Such a person is a lazy fellow. He sleeps too much and never does any good work. He is always very enthusiastic to
do evil, nasty, abominable activities for his own prestige, name fame and adoration. Sathya-arcana, he acts in a very
duplicitous, crooked way. Lobha-hata sada kami, so much lust is in his heart.

e heno durjanasajana-varjita
aparadhi nirantara

This is durjana, not sajjana. Such a person is rejected by sajjanas. He is always an aparadhi, a great offender, so his
dealings are very crooked, duplicitous dealings. As it is said in the verse, "When one finds someone more qualified
than himself he becomes envious of him. When one finds someone less qualified he derides him. When one finds
someone equal with him he becomes proud of his activities. These are the causes of all material tribulations. "Such a
person is a durjana, a most wicked person. He is not a sajjana. He's an aparadhi, always a great offender.

subha-karya-sunyasada-anartha-mana
nana dukhe jara-jara

He never does anything auspicious. He's covered up, surrounded with so many anarthas. He's nana dukhe jara-jara,
always afflicted, by the threefold miseries of this material world. He will never be happy at all.

This is the statement of Narada Muni, "Every man should act like this: when he meets a person more qualified than
himself, he should be very pleased; when he meets someone less qualified than himself, he should be compassionate
toward him; and when he meets someone equal to himself, he should make friendship with him." Otherwise he'll
suffer. "In this way one is never affected by the threefold miseries of this world." This is the statement of sadhu-
sastra-mahajanas.

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS

Devotee: I appreciate very much that you explained to us how Srila Prabhupada's purpose is to create a society
without envy.

Gour Govinda Swami: That I quoted from Prabhupada's purports from Srimad-Bhagavatam.

Devotee: We see that amongst devotees that are most advanced, the principle is trnad api sunincena taror api
sahisnuna. It's not an artificial thing to actually believe…

Gour Govinda Swami: Not artificial, baba! How many days can you act like this? Before your svarupa (real form)
will be revealed! How many days can it go on artificially. But with a Vaisnava it's quite natural.

Devotee: My question is, Srila Prabhupada has said that even if one does not have the practical vision that Krsna is
behind everything, is in everything, and is connected to everything, still, if one understands this theoretically he is a
devotee that is rightly situated.

Gour Govinda Swami: Rightly situated? One who sees theoretically is rightly situated?

Real Compassion?
Devotee: But if one has theoretical understanding that he has gotten form the words of the spiritula master, then one
is rightly situated. So in your class you said that only the topmost devotee can be compassionate.

Gour Govinda Swami: Yes, only one who sees Krsna.

Devotee: So my question is, does that mean no one else can be compassionate?

Gour Govinda Swami: One may be compassionate to fulfill his own selfish desire. One may be compassionate to
some and not compassionate to others. He has raga and dvesa, liking and disliking. He is not equal to one and all.
He cannot be. Unless one sees Krsna how can he be compassionate? He will see, this is Krsna's jiva suffering. His
heart bleeds. He cannot sit tight. He will go out and preach Krsna consciousness. And who preaches? Prana ache
yara, sei hetu pracara; one who has life? What is life? Jivanam sarva-bhutesu. Krsna says, "I am jivan, I am the life
in all living entities." One who sees Krsna everywhere. Who sees Krsna's jiva suffering because of forgetfulness of
Krsna, because of a lack of Krsna conscoiusness; he has prana, life. He goes out and preaches. He is completely
surrendered to Krsna. Therefore Krsna came as Mahaprabhu, as a bhakta (a devotee), to teach devotion, to teach
how to surrender unto Krsna (sikhaya sarangati bhakater prana). Saranagati is the life of the devotee who is
completely surrendered. Krsna tare kore atmasara (then Krsna accepts him). Prana ache yara, sei hetu pracara (he
has got life, therefore he goes out and preaches). Otherwise, who can preach? How can one preach unless one sees
Krsna, sees Krsna's jiva suffering? He does not want anyone to suffer. Everyone should be Krsna conscious.
Therefore, here Narada Muni says that everyone should act like this. This is the purpose of Srila Prabhupada
forming the society for Krsna consciousness.

Uttama Acting as Madhyama

Devotee: Maharaja, a madhyama-adhikari has strong faith in the process of Krsna consciousness but he doesn't have
a very good knowledge of the scriptures. How can he preach if he doesn't have good knowledge of the scriptures?

Gour Govinda Swami: He should have it by associating with an uttama adhikari. He should get it. Maha-
bhagyavan, he's very fortunate [the madhyama-adhikari] because he has strong faith. This is most important. Adau
sraddha, the first thing is your faith. He has strong faith in the words of sadhu-sastra-guru. He has strong fiath in
Krsna. He puts faith in Krsna, in the words of Krsna. And sadhus, those who are mahajanas, they speak what Krsna
has said.

Devotee: If an uttama-adhikari wants to preach, generally he comes down to the level of madhyama and acts like a
madhyama.

Gour Govinda Swami: Yes. Otherwise he cannot preach, because an uttama-adhikari sees moving and nonmoving
living entities, but he never sees the outward form. He always sees Krsna.

sthavara-jangama dekhe,na dekhe tara murti

sarvatra haya nija ista-deva-sphurti
(Madhya 8.274)

He sees only Krsna. He says, "Oh, this living entity is Krsna's devotee, he is engaged in Krsna's service." He never
sees the outward form. His vision is completely different. Therefore he steps down to madhyama, otherwise how can
he speak? How can he see that the jiva is suffering from a lack of Krsna consciousness, from forgetfulness of Krsna?
Therefore, one who preaches, he steps down to madhyama-adhikari; but he's uttama-adhikari, otherwise he cannot
preach. Those who are uttama-bhagavata, cannot preach. Therefore, one who preaches steps down to the
madhyama-adhikari stage. But he is not a madhyama as described here, sastra-yukti nahi jane; who doesn't know
sastra. The uttama-adhikari knows sastra. Such an uttama-adhikari who acts as a madhyama-adhikari is not like the
general type of madhyama-adhikari, madhyama-bhakta. This madhyuama-adhikari, he is uttama-adhikari, but he
has stepped own. He knows sastra and he is very expert in presenting and quoting sastric evidences, because,
tasmac chastram pramanam te karyakarya-vyavasthitau (Bg. 16.24). This is sastra-pramana. What is to be done,
karya, and what is not to be done, akarya; how can we decide? Unless he presents sastra-pramana, how can he
decide what is to be done and what is not to be done? He is not a general ordinary madhyama-adhikari.

Preaching
Devotee: One who has laukika-sraddha has to act under the guidance of one who has sastriy-sraddha?

Gour Govinda Swami: Yes, he should have a guru, a bonafide Vaisnava guru. He should do bhajana under such
expert guidance. He should not act whimsically. Unless you have guru, how can you preach? Sravana kirtana,
preaching means kirtana. Unless one has heard from a bona fide guru, what will he preach? What he has heard, he
will say that thing. "I have heard this from authorities, from my guru." Preaching is another name for sravana,
another name for hearing. What I've heard I'm repeating. Therefore, only one who has heard, he can preach and do
kirtana. Otherwise who can do kirtana? One who has not heard, what will he say, and who will hear all those nasty
things?

Devotee: Many disciples of Srila Prabhupada were preaching under the orders of Srila Prabhupada and, seeing the
miseries of the people, were spreading Srila Prabhupada's teachings. Now many have stopped preaching.

Gour Govinda Swami: One who has life and sees Krsna can never stop preaching. He sees, "Krsna's jiva is
suffering." He will preach in spite of all obstacles. When Bhaktivinoda Thakura became very old he had to lift up his
eyelids to see. But even at that age he would say "I want to ride on a horse and go out and preach." One whose heart
bleeds, who has compassion, he says such a thing. It is a question of compassion. Are you preaching out of
compassion? One who is not preaching out of compassion, he may preach for some days, but then he stops. "I lost
all my enthusiasm." "Oh, why did you lose it? You lost Krsna?"

Devotee: There are some that are still trying to preach, can we say they are actually keeping the orders of Srila
Prabhupada?

Throw the Vedas

Gour Govinda Swami: Prabhupada said to keep Krsna. He came to give you Krsna. Following the siddhanta, he
said, "Let them somehow be attracted to Krsna." That was his aim. He went to the land of mlecchas and yavanas, the
Western countries, and gave Krsna to them. How can they understand? They cannot understand all this sastra now.

Why did Buddha Deva, who was an incarnation of Lord Visnu say, "Throw out the Vedas." How can Visnu, who is
the source of the Vedas, say like that? He is so compassionate. What were they doing? They were killing animals,
sadaya-hrdaya darsita-pasu-ghatam. His heart became so compassionate, seeing this killing "Hey! Stop this
killing!" They replied, "Oh, it is described in the Vedas. Why you are stopping?" So Buddha Deva said, "Throw out
the Vedas." Why does he speak like that? Because unless they stop killing they cannot come ot the stage of sattva;
goodness. They are in the modes of ignorance and passion. They cannot understand the Vedas. So he did like that.
This is not siddhanta. Then all the Buddhists said, "Oh Buddha Deva said we can throw out the Vedas." The result
was that they became nastika, atheists. But the Vedas can not be lost. The Vedas are apauruseya they come from the
Lord, so they should be established. Therefore the Supreme Lord Narayana gave the order of the very powerful Lord
Siva, "You go, Mahadeva. You go and establish the Vedas, but keep Me hidden." Then what did Siva establish? The
gauna portion of the Vedas, the secondary portion (karma-kanda jnana-kanda). Sankaracarya came to do this. He
thought. “This is the order of my master. I am the order carrier.”

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APPENDIX
Pure devotees of the Lord recognize each other when they meet in this material world. They know each other
because they are eternally related and know each other from Goloka Vrndavan. Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura and Srila
Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur recognized each other. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur recognized so
many of his pure devotee disciples, Srila Bhakti Raksak Sridhar Maharaj, Srila Bhakti Prajnana Kesava Maharaj,
Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami, Srila Bhakti
Promode Puri Maharaj, Srila Bhakti Kumud Santa Maharaj. Our Srila Prabhupada similarly recognized Srila B.V.
Narayana Maharaj, who in turn recognized Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj. They are all Lord Caitanya's men, and if
we are fortunate we can also recognize them as our gurudevas, vande ham sri-guroh sri yuta-pada-kamalam sri
gurun vaisnavams ca sri-rupam sagrajatam saha gna-raghunathanvitam tam sa-jivam sadvaitam savadhutam
prijana-sahitam krsna-caitanya-devam sri radha-krsna-padan saha-gana-lalita-sri viskanvitams ca.

“I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master and unto the feet of all Vaisnavas. I offer
my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Srila Rupa Goswami along with his elder brother Sanatana Goswami,
as well as Raghunatha Dasa and Raghunatha Bhatta, Gopala Bhatta, and Srila Jiva Goswami.. I offer my respectful
obeisances to Lord Krsna Caitanya and Lord Nityananda aong with Advaita Acarya.”

Sri-gurun, plural not singular, unto the feet of all Vaisnavas.

----Bvml.org Editors

Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja’s Visit to Bali

December 17th thru 21st, 1998
by Sridam Sakha dasa
First Day, Thursday 17 December 1998

Srila Gurudeva arrived in Bali on 17th December with his Indian brahmacaris and immediate travelling party. Most
of us had already arrived two days before.

Srila Gurudeva was driven from the airport to the house of Ananta Krsna prabhu and Rangavati didi where he also
stayed one year before. His hosts had adorned their house very beautifully in traditional style to welcome Srila
Gurudeva. Various exotic flowers had been strung crisscross between the gateway and front door and many palm
leaf decorations had been hung wall to wall, woven ingeniously into a number of different designs. The temple room
is the largest room of the house, and it was there that Srila Gurudeva spoke for a short while upon arrival. The
temple's simhasana was made from wood and was beautifully carved in an ornate and intricate way. At the front
were small wooden sliding doors, the right one of which had a carved relief of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu on it, while
the left was decorated with a corresponding Lord Nityananda.

Srila Gurudeva spoke praisingly about the beautiful culture of Bali and the many similarities between Bali and India,
saying that he was reminded of the villages of Bengal and Orissa. He also remarked on the similarities of cultures
too, particularly the beautiful art and architecture. He then expressed his appreciation at being able to stay in a place
where Sri Srimad Gour Govinda Maharaja had sojourned in the past, on at least five occasions.

"The reverent and honorable Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja used to come and stay here also. You have kept a
room for him here. You were so lucky to serve him. He was so bold to speak true siddhanta, too bold. That is
why in a very few days he became so popular and the leaders became very fearful 'We'll lose all our disciples
to Gour Govinda Maharaja' and that is why they wanted to ban him from ISKCON. And that is why he left
this world. He thought that it would be better to leave than to be banned. He was not a person to be banned.
He was following in the line of Srila Rupa Gosvami preaching raga-marga, not only vaidhi, and I also want to
be bold like him. The teachings of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura may seem like vaidhi-bhakti, but they are not.
If you hear his teachings very patiently then raganuga will gradually come, some greed. But if not then you
are bogus, you should go to another sampradaya like the Sri-sampradaya of Ramanuja or the Rudra-
sampradaya of Sri Visnusvami. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu did not come to give only vaidhi. He came to give
the seed of krsna-seva-barsana in the hearts of devotees, this was His main objective, and that of Srila Rupa
Gosvami and his followers.
"We have not come to make any problem, to make money, to make disciples or take them from others. We've
come to help as Lord Nityananda and Haridasa Thakura did even though they were abused. But no harm. We
have not come for any rivalry. Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja came to preach the mission of Sri Caitanya
Mahaprabhu, and so have we, to touch the hearts of devotees and help them if they need it. But I know they
do, surely. After Srila Svami Maharaja and Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja left, their disciples and followers
were like a paddy (rice) field, starting to dry. So much rain was coming but it was not touching that field. And
what is this water that is needed? The hari-katha from a pure devotee of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, who has
not come for self gain, but only to give what the Lord came to give. That water is hari-katha. So we want to
give it to devotees, so that they should again become inspired. I want their creepers of bhakti to go up so that
many sweet fruits should grow and that they will be able to taste them."

Srila Gurudeva then talked to Ananta prabhu about what the daily program should be during his stay in Bali. Ananta
prabhu told Srila Gurudeva that he had invited many local spiritual leaders to come and hear Srila Gurudeva's
classes. Srila Gurudeva asked Ananta prabhu how progress on the temple building project was going, to which
Ananta prabhu said that it was 75% finished.

"Vande ham sru-guroh sri-yuta-pada-kamalam sri-gurun vaisnavams ca!" sri gurun!!! I offer my respectful
obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master and unto the feet of all Vaisnavas. All glories to Srila Gour
Govinda Maharaja! Satyam eva jayate (Bg. 10.4-5): truthfulness.

Srila Gour Govinda

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