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NODIS DECAPTIONED
E.O. 12958: DECL: (1.6X1)
TAGS: PARM, PREL, MASS, ETTC, KZ
SUBJECT: THE ACTING SECRETARY'S SEPTEMBER 21 MEETING WITH
KAZAKHSTANI KNB CHAIRMAN MUSAYEV

REF: (A) STATE 174300, (B) ALMATY 9033 (NOTAL) AND PREVIOUS

CLASSIFIED BY NP DAS JOHN BARKER. REASONS 1.5 (C)&(D).

1. +.8.4-
Summary. In a September 21 meeting at the
Department with Kazakhstani National Security
Committee Chairman Alnur Musayev, Acting Secretary
Talbott emphasized the importance of a positive and
timely GOK response to USG nonproliferation proposals
in restoring U.S.-Kazakhstan relations after the
transfer of Kazakhstani MiG-21s to North Korea.
Musayev was optimistic that most U.S. proposals would
be acceptable and undertook to obtain GOK approval,
but raised concern about the proposed visit to nuclear,
facilities at Semipalatinsk. Talbott raised U.S.
concern about the development of democracy in
Kazakhstan. End Summary.

2. -e3-)- On September 21 Acting Secretary Talbott met with

Kazakhstan's National Security Committee Chairman
Alnur Musayev to discuss the Kazakhstani investigation
into the transfer of MiG-21s to North Korea and GOK 1 4(D)
reaction to U.S. nonproliferation proposals. Also in B1
attendance for the U.S. were S/NIS Ambassador Stephen
Sestanovich, NP DAS John Barker, DASD Jeffrey Starr, D
staff John Bass,l and NP/ECNP
Michael Fooks (notetaker). Musayev was accompanied by
Kazakhstani Ambassador Bolat Nurgaliyev and
Kazakhstani Embassy Counselor Yerbol Shaymardanov.

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Noting that Musay6v was in Washington primarily for
meetings at the CIA, Talbott stated that he wanted to
meet with him for two reasons: 1) to convey his
personal interest in seeing U.S.-Kazakhstan relations
2ATES&' get back on track; and 2) to discuss the Secretary's
responsibilities regarding the Kazakhstan's transfer
of MiG-21s to North Korea. Talbott stated that the
MiG transfer was the most serious problem in the
bilateral relationship he could remember, stressing
the importance of the resolving the issue as soon as
possible.'He was "appalled" upon learning of the MiG
transfer, but had since been impressed by the
thoroughness and timeliness with which the GOK - and
Musayev and Nurgaliyev personally - had provided
information about the transfer; this had helped get
the relationship pointed back in the right direction.

4. .46't Talbott stated that the Secretary has a statutory

obligation to impose sanctions as a result of this
transfer. U.S. law provides her the authority to
waive sanctions if it is in the national interests.
Ambassador Sestanovich and others in the Department
will soon have to make a recommendation on this matter
to the Secretary and would like to be able to
recommend a waiver, but the GOK will have to help
build a case to justify such a recommendation. The
case for a waiver would be strengthened if-the GOK
acts promptly and thoroughly on the U.S. proposals
recently provided to the GOK in Washington and Almaty.
This would enable us to recommend to the Secretary
that she waive sanctions except against Metallist, the
GOK firm directly involved. Talbott urged Musayev to
respond quickly and positively on the U.S. proposal,
especially the aspects regarding any GOK SCUD holdings
and visits to the nuclear facilities at Semipalatinsk.

Musayev responded that the GOK investigation was

still ongoing and had run into delays. A. Petrenko,
the representative of the Czech firm Agroplas.t in
Kazakhstan that organized the transfer, has refused to
answer questions regarding the transfer or provi-de
information on financial transactions involving North
Korea. Musayev had also just that day learned from
the General Prosecutor that, due of problems of
criminal law involving the evidence implicating
Petrenko and others, the investigation would not be
completed by the end of September. North Korea had
denied knowledge of the transfers in response to the
GOK request that the aircraft be returned; the GOK did
not expect to hear anything further from the DPRK.
Musayev promised to share the full results of the
investigation with the U.S., regardless of the
outcome. Musayev renewed the GOK request for U.S.
experts to participate in the GOK investigation.

6. -1134- In that regard, Musayev said they had discovered

the involvement of a Russian citizen named Orlov who
lives in the United States. He hoped that the State
Department would enlist the assistance of the FBI in
investigating this aspect. (Note: At the meeting's
conclusion; Musayev provided two nonpapers, one with a
summary of the investigation; the other asking that
the U.S. interrogate Oleg Georgievich Orlov -- a
Russian citizen born in Tashkent in 1947, currently a
U.S. resident living in Los Angeles -- about the '
transfer and that the U.S. provide a transcript of his
testimony to the KNB. Department is considering how
to respond to this request. End Note.) Musayev also
hoped that the U.S. could help persuade the Czech
Republic to cooperate with the GOK regarding
Agroplast's involvement.

7. ..4.8-rRegarding the U.S. proposals, Musayev said that

most of them should be acceptable. The GOK stood
ready to reaffirm its cooperation with the U.S. on
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exports and is prepared to discuss Kazakhstan's SCUD

S--). holdings. The question of disålosing past arms
transfers was complicated as it required an extensive
4 review, but the MOD was working on putting together a
SzArEsce• list. Semipalatinsk is problematic. The Russians
were very concerned about a previous U.S. proposal to
visit Semipalatinsk's chemical and biological
facilities in 1997. He would work to get the U.S.

access to the site and undertook to raise this with

President Nazarbayev.
8. (5er Ambassador Sestanovich seconded Talbott's
'appreciation for the information provided on the
investigation and asked that the GOK continue to keep
the U.S. informed. He said that we have raised
Agroplast with the Czechs, who are conducting a very
serious investigation and that we would keep the GOK
apprised of what we learned. Regarding Semipalatinsk,
Sestanovich said that we would follow up in Astana
through Ambassador Jones; Sestanovich hoped this was
something we could move forward on. John Barker
suggested that we discuss the SCUD initiative further
with Ambassador Nurgaliyev. Musayev agreed.

9. s?), Turning to democracy, Talbott expressed his concern

about the "drift" taking place in Kazakhstan's
political development. The U.S. and the international
community through the OSCE have raised this with the
GOK on numerous occasions. Specifically, the U.S. was
concerned about the recent events involving former
Prime Minister Kazhegeldin and labor leader Ismailov.
More generally, the U.S. was concerned about the
overall democratic process, such as affording all
candidates free access to the media and to the
electorate. Democracy and the GOK's support for
democracy are extremely important fpr U.S.-Kazakhstan
relations. He hoped Musayev would communicate this
back to President Nazarbayev.
10. —(-5+ Musayev said that he understood U.S. concern, but
wanted to make clear that he is only involved in the
criminal aspects of the Kazhegeldin case. The GOK is
prepared to share with the U.S. the information it has
on Kazhegeldin, perhaps in conjunction with a U.S.
team participating in the MiG investigation. Talbott
responded that the U.S. was not so much interested in
the specifics of the GOK investigation as in the ,
general state of democracy in Kazakhstan.
ALBRIGHT

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