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Annexure-I: ST ND
Annexure-I: ST ND
Annexure-I: ST ND
Subject: Minutes of the IInd meeting of the reconstituted Audit Board for central PSUs held
in CAG office on 21st and 22nd October 2010
Kindly refer to the discussions held in the meeting of the Audit Board for central PSUs conducted
on 21st and 22nd October 2010. A copy of the minutes of the meeting is forwarded for information
and necessary action.
Sd/-
(Saroj Punhani)
Member Secretary, Audit Board
Copy forwarded to
1. All the members of the Audit Board
DAI (C) and Chairman, Audit Board
Director general (Commercial-I)
PDCA, MAB-III, New Delhi
PDCA, MAB Chennai
Economic Advisor
Pr. Director (Economic & Service Ministries)
2. DGA (P&T) & All MsAB
3. All Desk officers in HQ
4. Guard file
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Minutes of the 2nd Meeting of the reconstituted (April 2010) Audit Board for Central
Public Sector Undertakings held in New Delhi on 21 and 22 October 2010
The list of officials who attended the meeting is enclosed as Annexure A.
Introductory remarks
1. The Deputy Comptroller & Auditor General (Commercial) and Chairman, Audit Board
while welcoming the Members Audit Board present at the meeting, stated that the system
of Audit Board Meetings has been structured to bring in more professionalism in our work,
especially to ensure institutional memory of decisions of all Audit Board meetings for
future reference. He re-emphasised the need to move away from individual audit
observations towards systems based audit and theme based audit. He drew attention to
the need for an institutionalised mechanism for monitoring follow up of action points
arising from Audit Board meetings. He communicated to the Board, the CAG’s orders that
our audit findings must be timely and relevant and, to ensure that they are in fact so, all
performance appraisals must be finalised and approved by the CAG within nine months
from the date on which these are taken up. He noted, with great satisfaction, that the
Commercial Audit Wing is the first one in the Department to have prepared a draft five-
year Corporate Plan that is on the agenda for adoption during this meeting. He
complimented Shri Yashwant Thakare and his team of Senior Audit Officers who have
prepared this document so well with its industry sector orientation as also its assurance
based approach. He stressed the great importance of the acquisition of domain
knowledge as a key input into our audit processes and indicated that, henceforth, industry
experts would be invited to speak to us and address this need in every meeting of the
Audit Board.
Item No. 1 To grant leave of absence and apprise of changes in members of Audit
Board
2. Leave of absence was granted to Ms Usha Sankar, Director General (Com-I).
3. Shri M K Biswas, Pr. Director of Commercial Audit and Ex-officio MAB-III, New Delhi and
Shri K Srinivasan, Pr. Director of Commercial Audit and Ex-officio MAB, Chennai were
welcomed on their nomination to the Audit Board from 1 October 2010 to 30 September
2011.
Item No 2 To ratify the minutes of the 1st meeting of reconstituted Audit Board
4. The minutes of the 1st meeting of the Audit Board held in Bangalore on 12 th and 13th July,
2010 were ratified.
Item No 3 Follow-up action on items from the previous Audit Board meetings
5. The members briefed the Audit Board of the actionable points in respect of their offices.
The present status of these and the further action, wherever required, have been indicated
in Annexure B enclosed with these minutes.
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Item No. 4 Review of progress made against targets for financial year 2010-11
4.1 Draft Paras and Thematic Paras
6. Members briefed the Board about the position of thematic paras and draft paras sent to the CAG’s
office vis-a-vis the targets set for them. It was decided that the paras received from the field offices
may be processed without any delay so that the Audit Report relating to compliance observations is
presented in time.
7. The four draft paragraphs included in the DVC Audit Report 2009-10 need to take on board the loss
due to revenue that could have been earned from sale of power had there been no delay in
commissioning of additional capacity – it was agreed that this report must be finalised immediately.
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match with the rise in turnover and paid up capital. It was noted that this proposal would require
the approval of the CAG.
12 b It was also agreed that the present cycle in which we carry out a supplementary audit of every single
company over a period of four years be revised to ten years. Thus the companies that are not on the
list for annual supplementary audit as per the revised norm could, henceforth be covered in
supplementary audit over a period of ten years. However, in cases where an individual MAB feels
that there is a need to carry out supplementary audit of any such company earlier than ten years for
any good reason, he or she shall be free to do so. This would also require approval of the CAG.
13. The presentation also made out a case against three phase audit in terms of “dilution” of the
responsibility of the statutory auditors. The Board, however, noted that three-phase audit has been
greatly appreciated by the CPSUs as a big step in the direction of adding value and being an “aid to
management” in as much as it enables corrections to accounts at the instance of the CAG as also in
ensuring timely issue of annual accounts. As such, three-phase audit, especially in respect of listed
PSUs, will continue.
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‘Implementation of projects for production of Euro-III compliant fuels by Hindustan Petroleum
Corporation Limited’ - MAB-II Mumbai
21. The MAB, after incorporating the material received from MAB I Delhi on EIL, would finally
consolidate the performance audit on receipt of material from MAB-Hyderabad. The draft PA would
be issued to the Management with a copy to the CAG’s office by 15 th November 2010.
‘Performance of Terminals and Depots of Indian Oil Corporation Limited’
22. MAB-II New Delhi would send the PA report to the CAG’s office by 31 st October 2010.
‘Management of vessels in Shipping Corporation of India’
23. MAB I Mumbai indicated that Policy papers relating to Shipping have been collected from Ministry in
co-ordination with PD (ESM) and the draft performance audit report would be submitted to the
CAG’s office by 29th October 2010.
‘Performance Audit on Procurement system in Bharat Electronics Limited’
24. MAB Bangalore stated that the review has been issued to the Management and a copy has been sent
to the CAG’s office.
‘Production and Sale of iron ore in NMDC Limited’
25 MAB Hyderabad informed that the draft performance audit report would be submitted to the CAG’s
office by 29th October 2010.
‘Import and sale of pulses under price stabilization scheme by trading PSUs (MMTC, STC and PEC)-MAB-I
ND and PD (ESM)’
26 It was decided that MAB I Delhi, after incorporating the material received from PD (ESM) and
observations of the CAG’s office, would send the report by 31 st October 2010.
‘Fixation of incidental charges on procurement of food grains’ by FCI
27 MAB IV Delhi would, after incorporating management’s reply, send the report to the CAG’s office by
30th November 2010.
‘Revival schemes of sick CPSEs’
28. The Board decided that each supporting MAB would send the report relating to their offices to MAB
IV Delhi by 15th November 2010 and the latter would send the consolidated draft report to the CAG’s
office by 15th December 2010.
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Item No. 8 IFRS: Checklist and briefing about Training
34. It was noted that the three day training for 16 Group Officers at NAAA, Shimla through resource
persons drawn from the ICAI was a great success. It was agreed that, to help ensure effective audit
in the new environment, there is a need to train all the remaining Group Officers in charge of
commercial audit in the offices of the Accountants General as also of the Members Audit Board
within the next two months or so. We also need to ensure that all Senior Audit Officers, Audit
Officers and Assistant Audit Officers of the Commercial Wing be trained and prepared for audit vis-
a-vis the IFR Standards. It was noted with satisfaction that quite a number of SRAOs, AOs and
AAOs have already been trained along with Accounts and Finance professionals of some of the
CPSUs that have organised such training already.
35. Taking into account the requirements as also the extent to which these have already been met, it
was decided that the following actions be taken in parallel.
i. Obtain information from all MAB offices about the number of officers already trained.
ii. Organise training of the remaining Group Officers.
iii. Organise training of remaining Audit Officers – the MAB offices are free to use resource
persons from the local chapters of the ICAI.
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Annexure A
List of officers who attended the 2nd meeting of the reconstituted Audit Board on 21 st and 22nd October
2010
Shri Sunil Verma Chairman
Ms. Saroj Punhani Member Secretary
Shri M K Biswas Member
Shri K Srinivasan Member
Ms. Anuradha Balaram Member
SAOs/AOs/AAOs from the CAG’s Office and field offices who were present to assist the Audit Board.
Shri Ranjit Majumdar, SAO CAG’s Office
Shri U P S Sisodia, SAO CAG’s Office
Ms. Vatsala Ramakrishnan, SAO CAG’s Office
Shri Desh Raj Verma, SAO CAG’s Office
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Shri V.B. Relan, SAO CAG’s Office
Shri J.J. Arya, SAO CAG’s Office
Shri Harash Kapur, SAO CAG’s Office
Shri Mahesh Gupta, SAO CAG’s Office
Shri S.K. Kohli, SAO CAG’s Office
Shri Y S Chauhan, SAO CAG’s Office
Smt. Preethy Narayanan, AO CAG’s Office
Shri Anoop Tandon, AO CAG’s Office
Ms. Tripta Khanna, AAO CAG’s Office
Shri D. S. Pathania, AAO CAG’s Office
Shri Tilak Raj, AAO CAG’s Office
Ms.Sweety Goyal, AAO CAG’s Office
Ms. Nirmala, SAO DG A (P&T)
Ms. Sangeeta Purswani, SAO DG A (P&T)
Shri Anil Kumar, SAO MAB-I, New Delhi
Shri K.S. Kaushik, SAO MAB-IV New Delhi
Shri Pradeep Kumar, SAO MAB-IV New Delhi
Shri P.K. Mittal, SAO MAB-IV, New Delhi
Shri Neeraj Mohan, SAO MAB-IV, New Delhi
Shri Anirudh Mehta, AAO MAB-IV, New Delhi
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Annexure B
Item No 3– Follow-up action on items from the previous Audit Board meetings
Each MAB briefed the Audit Board of the actionable point against his office.
Agenda item Action point Action by Target date
of first
meeting of
the
reconstituted
Audit Board
Item No 2 Thematic para by MAB-II, MAB II, Refer Annexure “C”
Kolkata on ‘Motor own damage Kolkata item no.3.
portfolio in National Insurance
Company’ be restricted to the
units under the audit jurisdiction
of MAB-II, Kolkata.
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Item No. 4(iv) Implementation of projects for MAB-I, Refer Annexure “C”
production of Euro-III compliant New Delhi sl. no.1 of item 5.2.
fuels by Hindustan Petroleum
Corporation Limited including
role of EIL as project
consultant.
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MAB Chennai responsible for MAB,
establishment and Chennai
management and operation of
a PSU Data centre will
undertake the following tasks:-
Create a website to host a
database of PSUs;
Provide menu driven access to
all MAB offices for data entry;
Create viewable and printable
reports - general as well as
interactive;
To begin with, database for
central PSUs for five years may
be created - table structure
may be sent to HQ within a
month.
Subsequently state PSUs data
may be added
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Annexure C
Actionable items of the 2nd Audit Board meeting
Agenda item Action point Action by Target date
Item No. 3 – Submit thematic study on ‘Motor MAB-II, Kolkata 30th Nov 2010
Follow-up action on own damage portfolio in National
items from the Insurance Company’ to CAG’s office
previous Audit (item no. 2 of previous Audit board
Board meetings meeting)
Look into all the PSUs under their All MsAB A report on the CSR
audit jurisdiction to see whether activities in the PSUs
PSUs have a CSR policy and if not, under their Audit
the PSUs may be persuaded to jurisdiction to be
notify policy guidelines on CSR (Item submitted to CAG’s
no.6 of previous Audit board office by 30th
meeting) November 2010.
MAB Chennai will create and host a MAB, Chennai CAG’s office may be
web-based interface that will enable appraised of the status
all Commercial audit offices to by 30/31 of every
upload Summarised Financial month.
Reporting data directly. (Item No 10
(a) for previous Audit Board
meeting)
Draft study report on the ‘Expansion MAB Chennai Draft report to be
of Chennai airport- Transitional issued to the
plans & impact on passengers’ to Management and
HQ. (Item No 10 (b) for previous Ministry.
Audit Board meeting)
Item No. 4 – 4.1 Draft Paras and Thematic Paras Director General The paras received
Review of progress (Com-I) from field offices to be
made against processed without any
targets for financial delay.
year 2010-11
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MAB-Chennai Send the draft report
by 4 November 2010 to
CAG’s office
5.1 (i) Draft performance audit Director General NTPC PA report to be
reports which were received in (Com-II) circulated to all the
Hqrs on or before 15 September MsAB.
2010
(ii) CSR of the PSUs in Coal Sector MAB-II, Kolkata Draft PA report on
‘CSR-coal sector’ to be
submitted to CAG’s
office by 10 November
2010.
(iii) Functioning of FCI and its impact MAB-IV, ND Discuss the review with
on food subsidy-dropped by hqrs. CAG’s office
(iv) Procurement activities in SAIL MAB Ranchi The PA to be revised in
view of the CAG’s
office observations and
submit by 31st
October,2010.
5.2 Progress in respect of remaining
10 Performance Audits
1. Implementation of projects for MAB-II, Mumbai The PA report to be
production of Euro-III compliant submitted by 15
fuels by Hindustan Petroleum November 2010.
Corporation Limited
2.Performance of Terminals and MAB-II New Delhi The PA report to be
Depots of Indian Oil Corporation submitted by end of
Limited-MAB-II New Delhi 31st October, 2010.
3.Management of vessels in MAB-I Mumbai PA report to be
Shipping Corporation of India- submitted by 29
October 2010 to CAG’s
office.
5. Production and Sale of iron ore in MAB- Hyderabad PA to be sent to CAG’s
NMDC Limited office by 29 October
2010.
6. Import and sale of pulses under MAB-I New Delhi in consolidated report to
price stabilization scheme by trading consultation with be submitted the to
PSUs (MMTC, STC and PEC)- PD (ESM) CAG’s office by 31st
October 2010.
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MAB-IV ND-
(Coordinating MAB)
Item No. 8 – IFRS: Obtain information from all MAB Each MsAB To be submitted by 15
Checklist and offices about the number of officers and Director November, 2010.
briefing about already trained. General (Com-II)
Training
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Annexure-II
Following 25 study papers were undertaken by MsAB offices and officers at Hqrs on different topics with an
idea to document the Knowledge gained by Group Officers/ MsAB and officers of commercial Audit wing of
the auditee’s operations and its functioning. The Study papers were to be submitted to HQ by 30 April,
2010. The position of receipt of the study papers is given below. These papers are being reviewed in HQ for
possible value addition.
4. MAB-I, Kolkata Upkeep and maintenance of power plants (both hydel and 16/08/10
thermal)
11. MAB-III, New Delhi Power Sector (Should include power sector reforms) 10/05/10
14. MAB-Ranchi Steel Sector: Development, legislation, role of public and 21/05/10
private sectors, demand-supply scenario and prospects
15. Shri R. Mazumader System of appointment of statutory auditors, CAG’s role and 07/05/10
disciplinary mechanism.
Shri Rajesh Rajpal
16. Shri D.R. Verma CAG’s comments on accounts and its impact. 15/07/10
17. Shri R.K. Yadav 1. Standard setting mechanism (both Accounting & Auditing) 14/05/10
with special reference to IFRS.
Ms. Sweety Goyal
18. 2. New Company Bill and its impact on CAG’s Audit. 15/07/10
19. Shri V.B. Relan Standard format for profile of a PSU 01/06/10
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20. Shri Mahesh Gupta 1. Role of DPE & Administrative Ministries towards PSUs 01/08/10
22. Shri S.K.Kohli Inventory of major recommendations of COPU and system 10/08/10
improvement through Audit (w.r.t. Audit Reports of 5 years
Shri Y.S. Chauhan upto 2009).
Shri Ajay Sharma (The work to be shared by three officials. They will also go
Shri Harash Kapur through ATNs)
23. Ms Preethy CAG’s Audit Reports, Discussion by COPU, ATNs etc: System, 06/08/10
Narayanan, procedures and practices.
24. Shri Anoop Tandon Audit provisions in respect of PSUs in some developed and September 2010
developing countries.
25 Shri Tilak Raj Computerisation in major PSUs (Details may be obtained 29/07/10
from iCISA & field Offices) and Audit by CAG
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Annexure-III
NO CA IV/9-2007
2 February 2010
To,
Sir/Madam,
I am to invite a reference to the Minutes of the Meeting of the Audit Board for Central PSUs held
on 23rd December 2009 which was circulated vide this office letter no 02/ CA IV/97-2009 dated
4th January 2009. As already communicated, the Chairman had expressed concern with the
flow of material. As part of the discussion on quality of material for audit reports, the
desirability of fixing a minimum money value for Draft paras was debated. Chairman had
observed that, while a minimum money value may be fixed for material to be sent by MAB
offices, it would be more appropriate to go by importance and materiality while deciding
which paras to include in the Audit Report. Given the fact that the Audit Report is a means
of drawing the attention of the Parliament to significant shortcomings, the material that
goes into such a report must be the most significant and important out of all the material
proposed by the MsAB. Moreover, since the media also takes a keen interest in the matters
being reported through the CAG’s Audit Reports, there is a need to be much more selective
in deciding what we include in these Reports so as to ensure focus and maximize the
probability of impact vis-à-vis the Government and the public.
Chairman also emphasized the need to move towards thematic DPs as these focus attention
on improvement or correction of systemic shortcomings that could lead to long-term
improvements. For this the MsAB were asked to ensure utilisation of more manpower on
thematic DPs as part of ‘Performance Audit’.
It is, therefore, requested that above points may please be kept in view while sending the draft
paras for next year Audit Reports. The draft paras sent for Audit Reports should highlight
instances of fraud, waste, mismanagement etc. Efforts should also be made to focus on the
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systemic faults and major issues of efficacy of control and governance as already requested for
in this Office letter dated 9/11.1.2007. Wherever possible, the issues should be examined
comprehensively with emphasis on system deficiencies and persistent or pervasive shortcomings.
The DG/MAB-wise targets for printing of paras in Audit Reports of 2011 are enclosed. These have
been fixed taking into account the significance of the PSUs under audit of each MAB. The target
number of paras should be issued to the Ministry and sent to the Headquarters by September
2010. It should be ensured that reply to Headquarters observations on draft paras are invariably
sent within a period of three weeks.
Yours faithfully,
Sd/-
(Y N Thakare)
Encl: As Above
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Targets of DPs for Audit Report for the year 2010-11
1. DGA(P&T) 12 6
2. MAB-I, New Delhi 8 4
3. MAB-II, New Delhi 15 8
4. MAB-III, New Delhi 15 8
5. MAB-IV, New Delhi 10 5
6. MAB-I, Mumbai 13 7
7. MAB-II, Mumbai 15 8
8. MAB-I, Kolkata 8 4
9. MAB-II, Kolkata 6 3
10. MAB, Ranchi 8 4
11. MAB, Bangalore 8 4
12. MAB, Hyderabad 5 3
13. MAB, Chennai 6 3
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