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[Music]
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what's happening people this is the

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solar kid

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and this is the other side of the sun

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podcast and we have

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shanti how are you sister

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i am well yes

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my new phrase would i'm fantastic yeah

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you look fantastic i see you've been

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punching that bag there behind me

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yeah should i

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when people see me i'm always dressed in

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black

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like on a sunny day the bikini is black

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everything is black everything else in

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my house is pink

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okay pink bag

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pink walls pink everything else

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so um shanti is a fashion designer right

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is that a good word for it or do you
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have another special term

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dj as well um i would like

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at the moment i call myself a dressmaker

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okay

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i like that word my oma was a dressmaker

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yeah exactly

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i'm kind of like trying to continue the

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lineage

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yeah that makes sense my grandmother

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used to make all the matrix dresses for

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all the children when i was

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all the the girls from cjb and stuff

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when i was growing up

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now let me um i okay let me let me jump

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into

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how i am a dress maker yeah okay

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so growing up in growing up in south

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africa

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specifically more in cape town born in

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joburg grew up in cape town

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grew up with my granny and my aunties

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that ran
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what a sewing business so

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the machines were going all the time

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and my auntie would make matrix dresses

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she would make wedding dresses choir

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curtains the whole thing so i grew up

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with the sound of the sewing machine so

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it's not like

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it's not something i'm scared of so did

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you did you actually study formally or

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was it just you just

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you just learned it was what study

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fashion design inc

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i'm yeah how much

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47. oh wow

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i don't know i thought you were younger

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man no i'm 47 years old

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okay okay yeah so growing up like

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what college were you going to to go

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study fashion design yeah no there

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wouldn't be and i mean i suppose

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that were older that was the only
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profession that was really

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i mean they all worked in fact is my

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grandmother worked in a factory

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you know um i think for me the

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entrepreneurship side of things kind of

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came because my auntie didn't work in a

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factory

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she was the factory so she had the

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machine

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and she was just running her business so

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there was always people coming into the

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house

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always people putting in orders so she

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was constantly busy

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and i vowed to myself that i would never

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ever do that job because she was working

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monday

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monday actually no she wasn't working on

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the sabbath because we were seventh day

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adventist

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okay oh you know

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in belleville belleville okay yeah i
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went to good old college

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um primary school high school

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i was seventh day adventist

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seventh day adventist so that means the

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sabbath is on a saturday isn't it

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exactly the whole reason why i became a

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dj as well because i

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felt like i was losing out here i became

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a designer because i was like

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i really want to buy clothes because all

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the clothes were being made for me

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so i was like uh-uh i'm tired of wearing

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homemade clothes i just want

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store-bought clothes

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and then i couldn't go out anywhere so

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i was like nah i'm just gonna if i can't

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go to the party i'll just make the party

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so yeah that's kind of organically

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so when did you start djing then

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i started djing

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um in nineteen

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really started and i just came back from
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london the first time

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i was listening no

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joke in yeovil nowhere

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hello you're looking at tandoor right

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here i used to go there i was very very

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young but i used to be there

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i'm telling you um this is how tendo

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started so um and i challenge anybody to

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to to email you

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and correct me finally i'll leave some

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comments there if you want to um

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leave comments just tweet me if you like

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um so i just came back from london and

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tandoor was running as a club but the

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roof was just kind of like a

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a gathering space um the music around at

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the time was just kind of like yeah

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also house music was just

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at its beginning um

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being played in clubs really but then

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quite a was

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just it's
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in i won't say infancy stage

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yeah well it was scheme and those owens

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and um

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exactly and everybody lived in yeovil so

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to say so

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you know mosquito used to have like a

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stand outside rippington

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selling hot dogs and stuff like that yes

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so next weekend there used to be another

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club i forget what

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the name is but that club used to be one

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of the first

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house nights and then people like um

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what's his name from from from zimbabwe

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he just passed away recently

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um dj um

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a radio dj went on to present

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stuff with melanie melanie whatever her

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name um

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used to dj next door to tandoor that was

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one of the first

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nights but then quite a game and then um
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but with tandoor

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was i came back from london i had met

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these amazing people like the roots

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um loads of people and they were sending

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me music i had like the erica badus the

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d'angelos the everything

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and i was giving it to djs to play but

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they didn't they were lie

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yeah i always tell people the hip scene

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was really really small like i used to

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be involved with guys from the market

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theater but we were like a small

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group of people like nah nah nah

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something's got to give

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these guys i want to play it i'll play

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it and because i'd been exposed to the

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club life in london

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i was like wow music it was like

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i had a guy you know soul

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i had new i had information and

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um so i just started playing the music

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that
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i was listening to in london that's why

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did you used to play on a sunday like

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um early evening today evening yep

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that's why

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that's why mr c and rizzo that's why we

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used to go because of the music because

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we all were into like you know the ones

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that we do

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apples and pineapples that was me dj

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and i used to run the friday night the

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thursday night and the friday no

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thursday night we decided i was like

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guys

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make thursday night reggae night only

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trust me it's going to work

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trust me boom thursday night it's still

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going to

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this day with absolutely

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ask them who started your night thursday

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night at

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tandoor ask them and then so then it was

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like i said to them guys this is how
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we're gonna do it we're gonna run

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the rnb and the hip-hop early evening

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we're gonna get all the girls sexy

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you know get all the girls dancing and i

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got all my friends i said

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put the tabs on me because if the girls

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are dancing

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and then the boys are trying to dance

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with the girls buying drinks

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is a vibe boom right and it also

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happened

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it was also cool because it was 94

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everything was amazing everyone was just

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wanting to like you know

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it was it was a great energy in the air

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so it was fantastic to be able to just

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boom yeah i was a lighting man i was 13

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up in the club they just turned

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and then i decided to have an open mic

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night on fridays

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and i would play instrumentals and so

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people like
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snazz um stupid um

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all these boys would come and

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crooked uh yeah and i would know

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who was freestyling and who was not

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because i was there every week

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um ishmael from scheme yeah

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okay like admiral was apple seeds um

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or apple seed was admirals mc ishmael

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from scheme

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was my mc so we listened man that was

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i take full clay let them come and take

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my

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that was a sport man that was like we

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used to be on the thursday night we used

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to go on a sunday night

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i don't know how like me i was a naughty

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lighting so i was not just there

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involved and then on sundays as well

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was the jazz and the

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the the music i could play whatever i

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wanted to but

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also um the pool
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sunuko

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yeah we had tournaments going and we had

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a whole

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clique of really cool people that could

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play

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but actually i've got some photos as

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well from the rooftop

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and the thing about those thing i i

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remember and enjoy the most about

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like rocky street was it was so

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multicultural

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okay yeah and like in terms of like

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africans

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and like south africans and

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international

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all over the world rocky street was

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amazing there was

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not only was there um tandoor there was

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a place called the pollock bureau

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there was nyquil monday blues that was

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amazing um there was

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also this place called the parrot
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or lepari something but it was hidden

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away

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um just literally behind rocky street um

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yeah it was such a cool time in jeopard

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at that time

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and we won the africa world cup

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that was 96 but i remember all i

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remember brenda fussy getting down in

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the streets there in rocky street

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listen i have an iconic night of

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brenda fussy and liver matosa on an

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open mic trying to out sing each other

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and for me it was like why where's

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instagram when you need it because

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you know the camera to capture the most

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amazing moments

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um do we eat yeah rocky

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what do you think that's what made it

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special about back then as well though

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absolutely

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absolutely think so 100 percent agree

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so you basically only loved in jobless
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when you came back from london or you

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did you did

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primary school in high school in cape

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town no i would say

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i lived in joburg for about

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from 15 to say 18.

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okay and then i went

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traveling for two years

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and when i left south africa first i

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actually went to zimbabwe um

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yeah i went to gerber park and i took a

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taxi

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yep when your bird

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it's a different place um but jaber park

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you could catch a taxi

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to zimbabwe and i did

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and i ended up um taking a taxi to

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zimbabwe

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hitchhiking through zimbabwe people

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thought i was mad

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um you're a lone ranger yeah and then uh

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then i
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i ended up being mozambique as well and

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they were like that's actually you

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don't you know the people are fighting

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yeah i'm like i didn't get the memo but

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while i'm here um about aquariums eh

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exactly don't need nobody you just do

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yours

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if i'm containing even if you think

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you've got air in a glass

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it's the glass is still full of air yeah

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no definitely

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i'm exactly the same i don't need nobody

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to tell me

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that was never my sort of thing i was

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like why am i waiting for people to

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no we don't wait for people

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yeah man so tell us a little bit about

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um

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london and the fashion industry and you

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know your take on things you've done

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quite a lot i would like um yeah

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i have um is the sun okay
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yeah it's fine um so how

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um how did it start for me

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it it's it's kind of very just

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i guess it's the aquarium in me um

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but i i was married and then i wasn't

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okay let's just put that there and then

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so i

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moved from where i was living in west

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london

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and then i moved to east london and

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um i found a place and i was working i

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was working

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at what's that place called um on brick

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lane

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on brooklyn hospital field oh no

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that wasn't there actually i was the

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door lady at this club i can't remember

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the name

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but my friend's husband owned it so she

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organized me this job and i

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was the door lady so anyway i'm there on

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the door lady
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and then it was somehow it was a very

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hot summer

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and i decided to make myself a little

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dress but literally

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only because being aquarian

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i don't want what other people have

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why are you like that everyone's gonna

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be different

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always i'm like already you know in my

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mind i'm like already seven years ahead

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so you know and so i was so anyway i

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made myself this dress

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and on the way to work so many girls

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stopped me

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several girls tried to buy the dress off

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my body invite

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often to go into shops and buy me an

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alternative so they could leave with my

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dress

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but i decided to just leave with their

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numbers and promise to make them dresses

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but they have to give me time and that's
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kind of how it started it's it

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literally started by me just

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one go on dress and then i made her

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dress and then a friend wanted a dress

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and then

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and then it was like hang on a minute

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why don't i just make

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20 dresses and go to the market and

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that literally is the story it literally

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the engine kept going so from one little

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machine

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i had to get a bigger machine and then

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when i got these machines i was like

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[ __ ] i don't know how these machines

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work but i need help so my

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the people i was employing to make help

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me make the clothes

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was teaching me how to make clothes

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so here i am this is

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the full circle because as i was kept on

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going more into the process all these

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memories started coming back from just
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being

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observant from watching my auntie's work

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and the memories from from the school

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stuff that you did do so my confidence

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on the machine was like oh

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that that and that does that boom i've

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got this

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um and the funny thing was i never went

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into the clothing industry to go

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into the clothing industry i just ended

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up in the industry and then kept

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facilitating the people that liked

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my stuff and they didn't complain about

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the production so i was like oh i guess

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i'm at this

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i guess i can make clouds

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and that's kind of like a lot of the

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times and up until a couple of years ago

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i was always doubtful about my

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legitimacy in the industry i was like oh

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my god i can't believe it i just kept

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supplying the demand
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but it was like when my my my oh see mrs

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nobody means about san mateovic

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your colleagues yeah your colleagues my

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my colleagues my peers um when they

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pointed out to me like no but you

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actually a designer

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and i was like oh i am okay then

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that's i shall be i mean all the way to

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doing i mean you did

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africa fashion week last year i remember

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africa fashion week last year

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um you know i think for me

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it's just one thing that i've learned in

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life if i can get

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anybody any advice is risks pay

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off if you've taken a risk and you have

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survived it then you know

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hey there's yeah

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we don't lose anything by taking the

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risk if i didn't

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the scariest thing was everyone that's

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actually going to zimbabwe not knowing
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what the hell but because i took the

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journey

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the aunties that were around me they

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looked after me they were like hey this

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one she needs help

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but you know and so i understood about

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the spirit of and being aquarius

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humanitarian automatically so

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understanding the human spirit and

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understanding that i

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too have to be part of that vehicle

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of kindness because it you know the

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kindness that i received i was in

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i was in traveling in africa for six

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months from zimbabwe i ended up in

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tanzania

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in dar es salaam and and throughout that

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time i spent

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a hundred us dollars six months

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traveling

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including transportation the kindness

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that was shown to me
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set me up for life where i was like

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you can attract you know i have to pay

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this back because

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it was so you know when when people

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share with you that have absolutely

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nothing

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you're you that if you if that doesn't

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humble you then

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you know or just take you no i

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completely understand

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literally i've i learned exactly the

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same way

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from friends of mine in soweto and

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whatever and like obviously me i come

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from

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iba past month and whatever you know

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selfish in this but

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you know um i was born in um

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coronational hospital

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i grew up on peopleboom street right

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opposite cjb

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for from from one to six years old yeah
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so as far as i'm concerned i'm from

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joker

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and i'm from boston as an as an aquarian

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you're a child of the universe just like

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me man

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absolutely absolutely just saying like

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when i used to go to my friend's house

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now like

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he used to go to um white city and this

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bro

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go to his granny's house and then the

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auntie comes and puts a sticky pop

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and a piece of chicken there no sauce no

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nothing for me i'm checking like yo

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but like you say that warmth and that

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the way people

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you know just open their arms and and

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you know just share and like people a

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lot of people have this perception of

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africa and [ __ ] for that but

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the majority of people are warm and

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friendly and really well
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100 i can tested that 100

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and this is just the misconception about

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the information that we get

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yeah and it really is information

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because experience opposed to

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information is two different things

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you know your experience with somebody

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as opposed to the information that you

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have of them

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is two different things you know i can

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tell you

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nah don't mess with him because he's

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blah blah blah blah blah and then you

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meet the person

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completely different that's true and you

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see living in the west here are the

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pictures that we get on tv and whatever

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it's always a starving child or

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larry people fighting and this and that

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and all this [ __ ] and yeah

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um and it was also based on what you

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just said it was extremely important for
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me to carry on

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in the the fabric and the the the the

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fabrics i was using how to represent

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where i was coming from

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and although um you know there wasn't

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something very particular to south

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africa that we could say

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ish you know shishway is

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significant to one part of the country

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but i wanted to represent

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the perception that people had of africa

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especially

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the way white women would look at these

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fabrics and and it takes me to the

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history of

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african print where it was a dutch made

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fabric for the african market

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however the dutch woman didn't migrate

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to the fabrics as much as the

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african woman did so they kind of

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hijacked the fabrics

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from the dutch and the fabric itself is
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called dutch wax

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um so made by flescos um

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the company started animal print stuff

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that people like to wear basically

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yes so that's kind of like the animal

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prints

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again who is the manufacturer where does

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it

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where does the fabric come from so to to

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make it for me i had to

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use the print and then

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present it in a way that really would

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paint a different picture

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about africa so i made the dresses more

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contemporary

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more accessible to everybody you know

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because first the answers were just with

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the big sleeves

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but i actually wanted to ask you because

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i mean obviously i've noticed

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um that your designs have a lot of west

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african
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and central african influence and i mean

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for someone

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who's from south africa i mean for me

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especially being

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colored or bushy or whatever like people

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never had a perception of africa

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from outside of south africa obviously

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it shows that you understand and that

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you've traveled or you have a big

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you know understanding of the diaspora

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and feel a part of that diaspora

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i also felt like the best way to

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represent

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my community or to let people know

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what's going on in south africa from all

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aspects

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was to keep the business here and

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for me i felt like okay i'm almost like

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you know the essay tourism board

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in east london because i'm gonna tell

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you

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if you know you come there like we're
23:39
from south africa

23:40
oh my god south africa oh we're going oh

23:43
like where you're going you must go

23:44
there and then obviously you must stay

23:45
at my sister's guest house in melville

23:47
and this is the address

23:49
sanjay so i'm obviously like you know

23:52
trying to

23:53
promote the culture and promote the

23:55
perception

23:56
you know and i always say to especially

23:58
black people when they go oh you know

23:59
what you know

24:00
hey you know every time i go home the

24:02
plane is full of white people

24:04
and they're not scared to go to africa

24:06
so

24:07
why is everybody asking you to go to

24:09
africa

24:10
and you're from debra make it make sure

24:13
it's true it's true like what are they

24:14
doing
24:15
i mean like especially living in london

24:17
view like for me when i first came here

24:21
it's weird that i actually was

24:23
introduced more to

24:24
to african culture like i spent time

24:26
with a west african drummer who was one

24:28
of the first people to bring

24:30
like gembes and going around with him

24:33
and spending time with him and i mean i

24:34
learned to play gmb and stuff like that

24:36
over here

24:37
you know what i mean i come from africa

24:39
and yet i came over here to learn about

24:41
the cult

24:42
the true history and culture and you

24:44
know you consider yourself african

24:45
because you

24:46
you live and you like absolutely i

24:48
realized the best thing i did for myself

24:51
was

24:51
to go to zimbabwe when i did that's what

24:53
i'm saying that's such an interesting
24:55
thing

24:56
yeah and and you know um it

24:59
put the bug in me because when i was it

25:02
it was so weird because i had been

25:05
traveling from

25:06
i mean you know if we go up there's a

25:08
certain time frame of my life with me

25:10
and my friend

25:11
unida aka gypsy we used to

25:14
hang out in pinkies and cadillac

25:18
yeah and we used to be like yo let's go

25:20
to durban

25:21
and then we would just catch a guck and

25:24
hitchhike or

25:25
you know back in the day we were doing

25:27
crazy [ __ ] so

25:29
i would have that travel bug like we'd

25:31
be like yo let's go to swaziland this

25:33
weekend so we can

25:34
boom boom boom guys you know so for me

25:38
from early age i needed to

25:41
travel i needed to see and when i
25:44
stepped into zimbabwe i

25:46
realized i live in africa yeah

25:50
i'm african that was when that was when

25:53
the penny dropped for me because from

25:54
that time to south

25:56
living in south africa growing up my

25:58
first

26:00
thing i was a colored girl from bosemont

26:02
and cape town

26:03
but now i'm an african

26:06
more a small mentality to have like and

26:10
that's what

26:11
we don't see beyond our borders and

26:12
that's why there's the xenophobia [ __ ]

26:14
going down you know exactly it was only

26:17
when i

26:17
realized like yo um

26:21
this is africa how big it is how vast it

26:24
is how different it is how important it

26:25
is for me to engage with

26:27
every body and not

26:30
be biased you know so i couldn't i was
26:33
like no you

26:33
now you need to practice to be a real

26:35
aquarian here humanitarian

26:38
um and you know when it comes to the

26:41
whole xenophobia that we have

26:43
really it's just the fear of

26:47
of the unknown and it's a lot of people

26:49
that

26:51
you know they're just scared and again

26:56
yeah you know what let me leave that

26:58
xenophobic conversation alone for a

27:00
second

27:00
yeah well let's go in what do you want

27:02
to say um and it's it's

27:08
i think it's not just uh people on

27:11
people not liking people i think that

27:13
there's such a

27:14
deep seeped in programmed history

27:18
that allows these things to even exist

27:22
well i mean that's what i'm saying the

27:23
our presses were [ __ ]

27:25
like the most intelligent people ever
27:28
that they managed to

27:29
separate colored indians black

27:33
blah blah and then everybody hates each

27:35
other and

27:36
yeah because it actually i was sorry i

27:38
was talking to a friend of mine this was

27:40
actually a pre-designed program

27:42
it there was a bus this was imagine a

27:44
business plan

27:45
with the execution with the time yeah

27:47
this is well thought out

27:49
exactly what it is you can take it from

27:52
the the the slave trade

27:54
um from in america in

27:57
um you know um the infiltration in the

28:00
colored community

28:01
for me the biggest question always was

28:03
where did the mandrakes come from

28:05
yeah where did that come from where does

28:08
this [ __ ] come from and why is it that

28:10
it only

28:10
targets this community so we keep you
28:13
guys in a low vibrational state so you

28:16
don't actually use your minds

28:18
you don't come together because that's

28:20
what communities does we band together

28:22
we work together we help each other but

28:25
what we do

28:26
we're going to put you in a low

28:27
vibrational state play you up against

28:29
each other we're gonna make sure you

28:30
give you guys this and we don't give you

28:32
guys that

28:33
so one group ends up um being despising

28:36
the other group

28:37
and so we keep the friction amongst you

28:39
guys um so you keep the the attention of

28:42
us

28:43
yeah and we just keep making the money

28:45
and growing our families

28:47
you know building our houses while

28:49
you're scrambling

28:50
our kids passing it down and so we keep

28:53
implementing this system and we tell our
28:55
kids

28:56
and it's not even like the kids are

28:58
growing up with a racist bone in their

29:00
body

29:01
oh no it's introduced to them yeah

29:04
you know tony you can't play with them

29:06
because blah blah blah blah

29:08
and then johnny is just like but i

29:09
wonder because johnny wants to play

29:11
john is a child

29:14
johnny you know still got all these

29:16
vibrations very high

29:19
and then you kind of block and break it

29:21
down and break it down so

29:22
you know when it comes to like keeping

29:26
when i say keeping people in a low

29:27
vibrational state

29:29
alcohol number one one of the biggest

29:32
job system in cape town thank you so now

29:35
when

29:36
all you busy doing is you're poor

29:39
right you don't have any jobs you don't
29:41
have anything you don't have any food

29:43
oh you're depressed how do you get rid

29:45
of that depressed state ah let me just

29:47
drink it away

29:48
you know you have a job what do you do

29:50
when it comes end of the month what's

29:51
the first thing you do

29:56
thank you and then you feed this habit

29:59
you feed the sabbath before you know it

30:01
your vibrations is so low that your

30:03
moral code becomes lower and so you

30:06
start seeing

30:07
things that was unheard of before

30:11
how are you going to be messing with the

30:12
children how you

30:14
you know and it's and then

30:17
when it happens in the smoker in this

30:19
poor community

30:20
and everybody's in the same situation

30:23
people turn a blind eye i mean rape is

30:27
such a big um

30:28
you know problem in south africa it is
30:31
it is a pandemic in itself

30:34
it's massive it's really massive

30:36
speaking of pandemic how's your uh

30:38
pandemic been for the past couple of

30:41
months as it uh

30:42
um you know i'm okay what did i do

30:46
differently um i realized

30:50
for me that i was so busy

30:53
that i wasn't making time for myself and

30:55
i think a lot of people realized that

30:57
um i was feeding the engine of my

30:59
business constantly

31:01
so there wasn't any time for myself and

31:03
if i did make time you know that holiday

31:06
that you have for two weeks

31:07
that's enough that's a rest that's not a

31:10
vacation

31:11
you're resting yeah well when you have

31:13
kids you don't even get the rest on

31:15
those two weeks

31:16
you're lucky

31:20
that's no i have lots of kids i make
31:22
them clothes i have to keep them dressed

31:24
all the time i have to make them make

31:25
sure they look good for their

31:26
graduations and alice so i've got kids

31:32
um no i just um i've already been

31:36
you know the last two years i really got

31:38
more active

31:39
um i wanted more um stamina

31:44
um and i also realized because i was

31:47
just eating rubbish and then i'd be

31:49
overweight

31:50
and then i'd feel a certain way and once

31:52
i started exercising i was like yo

31:54
i feel good but it was mentally the

31:57
physical

31:58
whatever if whatever you want to call it

32:00
um

32:02
you know i'm never yeah i just like the

32:05
way my clothes fit

32:06
i didn't like oh girl you look good

32:08
because i think i look good

32:10
so um but exercise was more for the
32:12
mental

32:14
absolutely helps um you know and then i

32:17
made it part of my everyday routine

32:21
and then i also decided

32:24
you know i gave up alcohol

32:28
good for you yeah um

32:31
it's been i don't i used to count the

32:35
weeks but now i forgot

32:36
so nice man i don't i'm not counting

32:39
anymore because

32:40
i'm never drinking again no but i mean

32:42
that's one of like you said you know low

32:44
vibrational states like you feel good

32:46
when you drink

32:47
but the repercussions and everything i

32:50
mean i come from

32:51
you know the family where my dad was

32:53
he's from cape town originally

32:55
and he was alcoholic he's clean now it's

32:58
been over 10 years

33:00
but i remember what it was like you know

33:03
yeah and he wasn't like it's not like he
33:05
was a bad but he was the most amazing

33:08
he was functional you know what i mean

33:10
yes um

33:11
so the word i'll give you a little

33:12
interesting fact um

33:14
the alcohol is an arabic

33:17
arabic word that means flesh eating

33:21
spirit

33:22
that makes complete sense they they knew

33:24
what they were talking about

33:26
i've never been much of a drinker in

33:28
that sense

33:30
um oh trust me i mean

33:33
i was always rastafari

33:36
so that that's the thing being rastafara

33:38
myself

33:40
i was like listen it's one or two baby

33:43
you either drinking or you're smoking

33:45
you can't do both

33:46
it's funny i actually stopped that um in

33:49
the beginning of lockdown

33:51
well smoking yeah so it's been uh
33:54
over six months but actually i had a

33:55
little one last week

33:57
but notice this thing is always

33:58
established tobacco so now i had a

34:00
completely clean last you can

34:02
morph

34:08
yeah i think now it will be more like an

34:10
occasional thing you know what i mean

34:11
because i was just like relentless

34:14
so let me ask you a question where in

34:16
boston did you grow up

34:18
street you know where boston's second

34:22
primary is

34:24
do you know whether the you know the

34:25
park is where where um mr c

34:28
and um

34:31
and all of them used to belong okay

34:39
in the other direction from cjb you go

34:41
straight to cross you pass we're busy

34:43
you remember bizarre's house

34:44
yes keep going further and then you get

34:46
the park and the shops there
34:48
and then drowned by boston primary oh

34:52
there the real eibach side of boston

34:56
yeah that side that other side of the

34:58
field

35:01
the other side of the bridge that bridge

35:05
like i i used to go home every christmas

35:08
so

35:08
i would be there with my

35:12
cousins and um

35:15
you know you remind me of is um

35:18
derek um he used to live

35:22
literally opposite cj b on the corner

35:25
like literally derek oh i'm gonna ask my

35:29
uncle

35:29
only people i know from that side there

35:31
was um my auntie used to live there

35:33
and to send me um i'm joanne you know

35:36
joanne and liam

35:38
they were my cousins that live close by

35:40
they called vanda and he's

35:42
many we lived next to paul thunderheart

35:44
they were number one people boom street
35:46
we were number three people

35:48
pierre pogba street yeah so all these

35:50
sisters and the yellow

35:51
lovers

35:55
beverly was the van so like with the the

35:58
the soccer and the baseball and my

36:00
father was very involved with that so

36:02
like i was on the i grew up on the

36:03
grounds like basically

36:05
yeah so yeah one day my auntie name used

36:07
to play softball i used to play for

36:09
dazzlers i had to play soccer today when

36:10
i was biking

36:12
yeah i i told carl and brandon

36:15
thunderheart responsible for

36:17
my first injury

36:20
they were bad boys oh yeah very bad boys

36:23
they put me on a skateboard at the top

36:25
of the hill and pushed me down and i met

36:28
the fence of cjb high school

36:30
do you remember that house around the

36:32
corner there um towards going towards
36:34
you

36:34
yeah yeah thinking about that the other

36:36
day you know

36:38
i was thinking what were those ladies

36:40
doing because now that i

36:41
understand people and stuff like i'm

36:43
thinking that was they were probably

36:44
just misunderstood those aren't these

36:46
men

36:46
oh let me give you actually

36:50
when i was home last i met a girl

36:53
at the same thing we were like no you're

36:55
from baltimore where did you live and

36:56
she lived office at the witch's house

36:59
and yeah they were called the witches it

37:01
was a [ __ ]

37:03
to walk through there when we were going

37:04
to like no that was a day

37:09
because there was no fins so you could

37:10
go over some fence and you could jump

37:12
over and then you would be in that other

37:14
field where there was that canal
37:16
thing and then

37:30
yeah that's what we used to call it

37:32
we're making buff

37:34
yeah um yeah so the the witches here

37:38
the witches is a mother and two

37:40
daughters she was a school teacher

37:42
um

37:46
um but yeah they somewhat just i think

37:48
their father died

37:50
and then they just neglected

37:54
themselves yeah because remember they

37:57
always had like orange hair

37:58
like they looked a bit weird and because

38:00
they didn't have the lights mostly did

38:02
have candles more so when they would put

38:04
on makeup but that was

38:05
just a makeup because

38:09
yeah they looked weird and stuff man

38:13
on the as they would say maybe not on

38:15
the spectrum

38:17
yeah probably so remember now when it

38:19
was like guy fox and then you know
38:21
everyone is smearing each other and

38:23
stuff

38:23
so we used to go all the way up to there

38:25
but then the owens from nuclear used to

38:26
come to anasmir us now from bossman and

38:29
that's the crossway point at the witch's

38:30
house

38:35
oh and i used to uh growing up for me

38:39
my fund like honestly growing up in

38:41
boston

38:43
like my chris my summer holidays were

38:47
amazing yeah man i remember some of us

38:50
i remember i'll never forget we we used

38:53
to go to

38:54
um what's that

38:57
do you remember if do you remember okay

39:01
so when you cross that the into nuclear

39:05
right there used to be a cinema in

39:07
nuclear

39:08
oh yes yeah i mean that was before might

39:10
i remember like the remnants of that

39:12
cinema but i don't think i ever
39:14
i remember like the building still being

39:16
there for years yes yes yes

39:18
so um yeah that i i went on a little

39:22
memory lane to you

39:23
are you talking about over like in the

39:25
car side more like on the cusp like on

39:27
the other side

39:28
of the station near just near to where

39:30
the hospital is

39:31
um yeah i know i remember that yeah

39:35
yeah but um

39:39
so i come to london and i mean i've been

39:41
here now

39:42
since 2005 and then i'm working with

39:46
this bra

39:46
and then you happen to be designing his

39:48
clothes and then you're from boston

39:54
isn't it it is because i don't really

39:56
associate that much with many south

39:58
africans i don't know about you

39:59
i mean i've got a few south african

40:01
friends um
40:04
i have do you know what my best friends

40:07
are south africans

40:08
uh but they don't live here okay yeah

40:12
but that's what i mean like over here

40:13
you know what i mean like i don't know

40:15
um over here i'm

40:18
actually you know what's so weird now my

40:20
neighbor south africa

40:22
oh wow my neighbor's south african

40:25
and we get on very well he's um

40:28
he's color guy from cape town now he's

40:30
an engineer

40:32
um okay

40:37
exactly so i mean hey

40:40
are you still based in your grow yeah i

40:43
have my studio

40:45
so that's opposite grow yeah okay

40:48
so yeah yeah so we actually live here um

40:52
year is my section which i built myself

40:55
thank you very much

40:57
diy um yeah i split the studio in two

41:01
i made a work section and i made a live
41:03
section

41:04
nice i mean that's such a cool area

41:06
especially now that it's been brought up

41:08
in crow

41:09
there's such a cool place and stuff yes

41:11
we've they've been trying you know

41:13
um shamed with with um

41:16
oh wait let me get my charger quickly

41:18
fancy charger thing

41:20
hold on um

41:25
they trying their thing

41:28
they doing um live streaming i

41:31
actually dj and they'd live stream it

41:35
okay yeah so um

41:38
what's that um so when i was

41:42
um at when i was djing at tandoor

41:45
at that time i was playing all the new

41:47
music because

41:48
it was 94 so imagine illmatic

41:53
yes but do with them um things fall

41:56
apart

41:57
oh [ __ ] um redman keith murray
42:01
rough riders you see that that was my

42:03
[ __ ] man that was my that's not

42:05
a box can you imagine now like that is

42:08
all the music coming out and so i would

42:11
go dj

42:12
on a like i did on a friday night as

42:14
well

42:15
which one doggy style snoop dogg dog

42:19
listen ill medic and foggy style was

42:23
keith murray um that was enigma

42:26
with the war metaphor um so and

42:30
i would say to myself my early i'm i'm a

42:33
hip-hop head

42:34
i'm also a jazz head i'm also a funk

42:37
head

42:37
um um i love reggae music i'm not a head

42:41
head but i'm

42:42
also a bit of a music nerd um

42:45
and so when so djing it was like

42:50
for me if you ask me what's my comfort

42:52
zone music

42:54
okay you're obviously a great digger
42:56
then you still go and like source

42:57
records and

42:59
hello

43:02
yeah hello um

43:06
um i'll tell you like so for me

43:09
djing was i didn't realize i had a gift

43:15
or pic but i was like nobody's leaving

43:18
the dance for everybody's going

43:20
you know and i kept on being booked so i

43:22
was like oh i guess i'm a dj now

43:25
but i was playing cds i wasn't like

43:27
turntable specialists

43:33
yes and i imagine now i've got i've got

43:36
blaze

43:38
and i've got bradley bionic ionic

43:42
and i'm the one getting the bookings but

43:45
i'm using cds

43:46
and they're like naaman yeah they were

43:48
like scratch specialists and [ __ ] man

43:50
but onika was a g

43:51
no i'm just a selector and i've got

43:53
timing that's why i got ishmael
43:55
he's my scratch specialist because you

43:58
know so

44:00
and then ishmael and i were just like we

44:02
had it figured out

44:04
um but what what would happen was every

44:07
tuesday

44:08
i would get calls from bmg records sony

44:11
boom boom boom and they'd be like yo

44:14
i've got this new releases

44:15
so i would get all the new music and

44:19
before they may year it on

44:22
um metro fm on friday afternoon and then

44:25
hear it in the club on friday night

44:28
so that's though you know

44:31
um so for me and i was also what i

44:35
remembered about djing was and i think

44:37
that was a difference

44:38
what boys do and what girls do is

44:42
boys are very technical and it's all

44:44
about skill

44:45
and timing and and you know there's a

44:48
lot of amazing dj's that
44:51
don't get me wrong but women are just a

44:53
little bit more softer

44:55
they want little bit more harmonies

44:57
they're going to be a little bit more

44:58
you know

44:59
happy that's the thing i mean with the

45:00
dj you really just want a good selector

45:03
because

45:04
you're not always unless it's like a

45:06
pure hip-hop purist gig and i want to

45:08
see the scratching and turntablism like

45:10
people just want select and that's why i

45:11
wasn't a good dj

45:13
i'm a good mixer like when it comes to

45:15
deep house that used to be my thing like

45:16
and i can still mix here

45:18
but people never used to like that

45:19
because like i used to do warm-up

45:21
opening sets

45:23
but i could never keep people on the

45:24
dance floor because i would always go

45:25
into this weird esoteric only the [ __ ]
45:27
that i like you know kind of vibes and

45:29
then people are like oh leaving the

45:30
dance floor

45:31
and then i'll let my brother come on

45:33
after together the party started you

45:34
know secret i

45:36
found to that was you've got to

45:39
djing is a job it is it's it's a it's a

45:42
thing you've got to read the room

45:44
you've got to look who's there and

45:47
that's what i would do and

45:49
i would um i would see ooh more girls

45:52
than boys

45:52
right i'm getting the girls on the floor

45:54
but then when i'm seeing like oh there's

45:56
a bunch of boys came in

45:58
you're

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i just watched a documentary on dmx the

46:09
other day man and the rough writer's

46:11
story was so [ __ ] sick

46:19
you said you were seventh-day adventist

46:21
so like what are you now are you like
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spiritual or do you believe in anything

46:27
um i believe in the universe and the

46:29
fantasticness of planet earth

46:31
um you follow any rituals or do any

46:35
stuff like spirituality oh i don't you

46:38
know

46:38
um for me and especially 2020 because

46:41
it's a it's

46:42
a year of revelation so to say um

46:45
so many amazing things are happening on

46:47
the planet

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like amazing things and

46:52
if i have to practice anything i want to

46:54
practice love

46:55
that's the religion i want to practice

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um by

46:59
being you know just being nice to people

47:02
being just being cool you know because

47:06
i think a lot of people are already in

47:08
this anxiety of 22 anything

47:12
you know so my job is to be like

47:16
hey don't take it too seriously like yo
47:19
like we live in like get one

47:23
we all die one day

47:27
that's that's the key because that's why

47:29
those people are so then

47:30
they they social crook because if you

47:32
haven't made peace with yourself and the

47:34
fact that yo

47:35
you live and you die there's no way out

47:37
of this [ __ ] like there's no way

47:38
out alive here you know like you need to

47:40
like really get to grips with the fact

47:42
that you could go

47:43
you know people want to just live

47:45
forever or like i don't know

47:47
tomorrow's promise to nobody so why not

47:50
make the time why don't make every day

47:54
like

47:54
yo let's get it let's do but you know

47:57
and it's i'm not saying that every day

47:59
is like that because

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yo it's a full moon today and anything

48:04
could happen
48:05
but um what do i practice i want to i

48:08
think i'd like to think i practice

48:10
love i'd like to think i practice

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kindness um

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i think if you re if you follow any

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religion

48:18
that the key frame there says do unto

48:20
others as you'd like them to do unto you

48:22
so that's how i look at it

48:25
you won't find me kneeling down with a

48:28
bunch of people

48:29
um chanting a prayer

48:33
to the heaven some of my friends are

48:34
very into those

48:36
things that i'm sure you've met um

48:40
you know if i'm going to chant prayers

48:42
into the heavens

48:43
i'm going to do it my goddamn self yeah

48:45
why that makes sense

48:47
you know um but yeah it's just a it's a

48:50
fantastic time

48:51
for the planet depending on how you want
48:53
to look at it um for me

48:56
it was a reset it was time to go oh

48:59
i oh i actually get a reset

49:02
i have to get time to sit down

49:06
and re-figure this [ __ ] out

49:09
yeah the only thing that i have to avoid

49:12
by all cost

49:13
is a vaccination that's it i mean i get

49:16
no vaccination you know

49:20
no no but um has it uh as it affects the

49:25
reason i'm training because if i'm gonna

49:27
have to run

49:28
hey

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[ __ ] fighting um but also you know

49:46
um for me 2020 is the year that you've

49:50
got to think

49:52
differently you really got to think

49:55
love you've got to think yourself you've

49:56
got to think health you've got to think

49:58
everything that you know triggers you
50:03
um deal with it let it go

50:06
forgive people forget people that

50:10
you know are you know ain't no good for

50:13
you yeah that sounds pretty special to

50:15
me

50:15
you know hey but that's just mathematics

50:20
that's how i look at it it just makes

50:21
sense to me it's like

50:23
yeah it makes makes perfect sense to me

50:24
as well and i mean if more people just

50:26
realize like yo

50:28
you know religion is you your love is

50:30
yourself the universe is you you are

50:31
love you are peace

50:33
you know it's not about specifically

50:35
going some way or performing a specific

50:37
ritual it's about

50:38
loving yourself and literally loving

50:40
others

50:42
there we go and i think it's the ego you

50:45
know

50:46
it's it's this little and that analy
50:48
analogy

50:50
analysis no don't try to use people

50:53
yeah that one um

50:56
you know when you like listen to your

50:58
inner

50:59
voice so when you listen to

51:02
your inner voice it's your voice

51:05
they're sitting there going eternal

51:07
meditate and want god to speak to them

51:10
and meanwhile it's your voice in your

51:11
head so that what that translates to me

51:14
is

51:15
god's within you so

51:20
surely if you listen to yourself you're

51:24
listening to god

51:25
in the sense because

51:29
i mean yeah you know i know i think

51:32
that's what a lot of people

51:33
like don't get mad because i think

51:35
people like jesus and buddha and

51:37
whatever were just trying to tell us

51:38
that he's like yo
51:39
like this is inside you can do what i'm

51:41
doing it's inside of you but you don't

51:43
need to now go and

51:45
write the whole book about this [ __ ] and

51:46
like start why do you think there's so

51:48
many different like sex within

51:49
christianity and islam and all that yeah

51:51
everyone has their own idea or

51:53
interpretation of this thing and then

51:55
it's like yo

51:55
you need to do this the way i'm doing it

51:57
otherwise you're not going to heaven

51:58
you're going to hell

51:59
exactly and i think that's what's

52:01
scaring a lot of people now or

52:03
you know what's

52:07
it's like okay you have grown up

52:11
seven day adventist believing in the

52:13
seventh day is sabbath

52:15
and everybody that don't go to church

52:17
you're not going to hell

52:20
do you know what i mean so you grow up
52:23
and and now you're 40 years old and you

52:25
have grown with that belief

52:27
and now all this information comes and

52:29
says hey but

52:30
but but can you imagine there now there

52:34
you are

52:34
you're gonna be wrong and strong for

52:36
long because it is

52:39
the work that you have to undo

52:42
of 40 years you're just like no

52:45
no lots of undoing and some people are

52:48
so

52:49
mad that they got tricked into religion

52:53
that they'll write it out you know when

52:54
somebody they

52:56
would the term wrong and students belong

52:58
yeah

53:03
yeah and so now as time goes like yo

53:06
so this jesus that you got us praying to

53:08
the the blond guy yeah with the

53:10
the thing right from uh

53:14
you know the middle east where there's
53:15
no blonde people but yeah

53:18
you know no you know and then all the

53:23
news that we got from the all these

53:25
then let's take all the the priest and

53:27
the the things that's been

53:28
uh raping the children and then all the

53:31
[ __ ] that gets exposed and you're like

53:33
but now hang on a minute

53:35
when you look at cults and you look at

53:36
things

53:38
and you feel about that she feels

53:40
sculpted it looks like a cult to me

53:43
worshipping one guy did a day you go on

53:46
every side

53:47
with the [ __ ] big hat that's goddess

53:50
are you trying to recruit people to come

53:53
to your church

53:54
aka

54:00
i'll be there in the field with the

54:02
trees and the plants

54:04
yeah i know nice with my

54:08
yes no no no that makes sense man
54:12
how do you find it when you go home just

54:14
like um i'm closing just one last

54:16
question like how do you find it when

54:17
you go home with um

54:18
because all these types of things

54:20
religion color it's all [ __ ] that was

54:22
programmed i mean like for me

54:24
i know it took me a while to get even

54:25
though my parents were not like

54:28
very like into like color and stuff they

54:30
taught us i mean my father is really

54:32
dark my mother's really like so like

54:33
they never never taught us about being

54:35
racist and [ __ ]

54:36
they were really open but then obviously

54:37
there's people in your family that still

54:39
have this thing

54:39
you know what i mean yeah it took me a

54:41
while like just to get over and when i

54:43
came to london it was

54:45
you know experiencing the whole world

54:47
and you're experiencing it's like oh
54:48
[ __ ] like

54:49
you're all the same you know what is

54:50
your problem

54:52
but then you are indoctrinated this way

54:53
when you come from south africa that's

54:55
why south africans are generally

54:57
to some extent racist no matter who you

54:59
are what color you are

55:01
yes how do you deal with that when you

55:02
go home back you know like how do you

55:04
you know because i have to prepare

55:05
myself when i go okay don't get into any

55:08
debates about this [ __ ] because people

55:09
just are the way they are

55:11
and that's how it is um exactly that i

55:14
first i meet you with a big smile so i

55:16
kill you with kindness first so you

55:18
can't

55:18
fly your [ __ ] with me and i hi

55:21
and then they're like oh [ __ ] okay yeah

55:24
so i'm already making you rebalance

55:26
yourself
55:27
yeah so now you you know um

55:31
um for me i

55:34
i'm i'm happy to have all conversations

55:36
in south africa

55:38
all of it because i have to my

55:41
experience is going to be

55:43
the teacher so

55:46
you know when my mom says something that

55:49
i'm like

55:49
i'm gonna check you if my uncle says

55:51
something i'm checking you

55:54
if you don't have information well i

55:56
just go

55:57
but listen obviously you didn't get this

56:00
memo

56:00
yeah let me show you something

56:04
i i try to avoid those uh conversations

56:07
sometimes i

56:09
they used to go in a lot but no man um

56:12
yeah how often do you go you go still

56:15
quite often

56:16
um well i was meant to go home this year
56:18
to surprise my niece for her 21st

56:21
birthday in april but then guess what

56:23
happened

56:26
the roma baby

56:35
um i in order to be really honest with

56:39
you

56:39
it all depends on what the hell is

56:41
happening next with this vaccination

56:43
situation

56:45
um if they say you have to be vaccinated

56:48
or you can't travel

56:50
i guess i'm staying in london i saw that

56:53
the whole thing about um

56:55
if you don't get the vaccination you

56:56
can't travel and soon they want to make

56:58
it the whole controversies of

57:00
you don't get vaccinated you won't be

57:01
able to go anywhere or do anything so

57:04
yeah um there's a post going on

57:05
yesterday a woman's child came back home

57:08
from school with a with an injection

57:09
already
57:10
what yeah i'll send you i'll take you on

57:13
um thingy she's livid um english mom

57:17
came back she gave no consent they've

57:19
been vaccinated a kid

57:21
already yeah yeah and that's how this is

57:24
this is how they're going to get you

57:26
conspiracy theory or not because what's

57:28
happening now is that conspiracy

57:30
theories

57:31
are becoming conspiracy facts um

57:34
what they want to do is they going to

57:38
kids back at school and then

57:42
something happens at school so then they

57:45
detain that they have to keep the kids

57:47
and quarantine the place and the only

57:49
way you're going to be able to come and

57:50
pick up your

57:51
your vaccinated child is if you're

57:54
vaccinated yourself

57:55
right me i got three children

57:59
if they take me come help me please

58:03
um i would if i'm you um consider
58:07
homeschooling yeah yeah well i did it

58:10
like

58:11
when the first lockdown it's really hard

58:13
it's fun

58:14
yeah i can imagine but if you want i can

58:17
how old are your kids

58:19
eight seven four and three

58:22
two yeah yeah um it's a lot

58:26
because i'm working all the time i'm

58:27
busy studying at the moment

58:29
either you you just look into the

58:31
information you can

58:33
um you can typically um

58:36
say you don't want it you can write a

58:38
letter make sure that they you're

58:40
completely protested but you must also

58:42
make sure that you tell the children

58:45
that if that is presented to them they

58:47
must say no under any circumstances

58:50
because what they're trying to do is

58:52
they're trying to get the kids

58:54
to one point where the listen i don't
58:56
want to scare monger you but what i want

58:58
to say to you is

58:59
do some research on the subject

59:03
yeah i'll check it out and no you're

59:05
right because

59:06
they want to pass a bill by the actually

59:09
what is the date today

59:11
tomorrow today's the 18th

59:14
today's the 17th tomorrow's the 18th

59:16
yeah check it out today

59:19
i will definitely have a look but um

59:21
shanti

59:22
thank you so much that was uh

59:25
amazing you have been ready

59:29
yeah really good to talk to any last

59:31
things things you'd like to say or

59:33
you'll send me your like links and i'll

59:35
put it in the description um yeah um um

59:38
anybody you want to come up to my pop-up

59:40
shop

59:41
at the end of the month um in the grow

59:43
area you're more than welcome
59:45
um at my socials i'll be i'm posting one

59:48
day

59:49
and drink water 20 minutes of sunshine

59:54
um hug your family and

59:58
um be nice to people

60:03
less blessings

60:06
as it's been the other side what's there

60:09
and don't drink alcohol

60:14
i don't know how some people feel about

60:15
that but um

60:17
thank you so much auntie um it's been

60:20
the other side of the sun podcast with

60:21
me

60:22
solar kid and shanti from the house of

60:24
shanti

60:25
and guys if you have comments or you

60:27
want to like dispute some [ __ ] that me

60:29
that we've been speaking about today

60:30
please uh leave it in the comments

60:32
we'll get back to you and uh

60:36
we'll discuss it further peace

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you