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Helmert Transformation (also supporting C3D Objects)

Civil 3D Users are asking to support a Helmert Transformation for several years. The 'ALIGN' command is quite similar, but only works on a pair of 2
points, while Helmert Transformation supports multiple pairs of points.
A good implementation of the software should also show the "delta's" between the pairs of points, to show points with the largest delta's so they can
be excluded from the final calculation.
This forum post describes best the needs of surveyors: https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/civil-3d-forum/helmert-least-squares-best-fit-coordinate-
transformati...
 
"Most surveying software has this in the form of a Helmert Transformation, which works out a scale and rotation based on point pairs i.e. common
points on two coordinate sytems, using a least squares best fit."
 
"IMO, this functionality should be available as both part of the Survey Database translate tool, and as a separate tool in the Survey Analyze tab."
 
"I am arguing that this sort of transformation is basic (i.e. fundemental) to surveying, and should be an available transform in the Survey Database
translate tool. I further argue that this sort of least-squares, best-fit tool should be available outside the survey database, as anytime you have real-
world points and need to "best-fit" them to a model (or vice-versa), this sort of transform would be called for."
 
A third party add-in is providing this functionality, but seems to work only on plain AutoCAD objects and not on C3D Objects (Cogo Points,
Alignments,...). https://apps.autodesk.com/CIV3D/en/Detail/Index?id=3236793333071302608&appLang=en&os=Win32_64
Lots of surveys result in Survey/CoGo Points, so it's crucial that those C3D objects are supported.
 
Since this is , this should be core functionality of Civil 3D as well, opposite to the above mentioned add-in.

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