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MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 5, 2016 FOLLOW

The weird fuses in laptop batteries


I called them "externally triggerable fuse" in my first post. The datasheets call them "Combined Thermal
Fuse/Resistor" or "Fuse-Resistance protector".
Chances are your first time seeing one of these will be in a smart battery, it sure was for me.

As an over-current protection device (ie. regular fuse) they're probably only going to trigger during catastrophic short-
circuit scenarios. Their main purpose is to provide a way for the microcontroller to physically break the circuit if it egg
detects a potentially dangerous condition like the overheating of the cells and can't stop it by shutting the FETs off.
The problem is some firmwares will count the sudden disappearance/reappearance of cell voltages amongst the list incubator
of conditions that warrant doing this so if you want to re-cell a pack you might end up with a blown fuse.
Replacing or jumping them is a pain so it's a good idea to connect the Reset pin of the controller to ground before with ability
doing anything of the sort to keep it from overreacting.
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The Cyntec 12AH3 / 12AG3 (datasheet) or similar devices will seem like large capacitors on first sight, though the
fact that they have 4 terminals might make you think "current sense resistor". Nope!

The black plastic cap attaches to the ceramic body with glue and you can tease it off with a pair or side-cutters, pliers
or tweezers. Here's what you see under it: SEARCH THIS BLOG

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To jump it you break off the cap (if there is one) to find a resin coated square. Then you carefully scrape away at the FOLLOWERS
coating roughly in the middle until you find a tiny via. This is the center point you see in the diagram above. Now you
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just need to reconnect it to the two leads where the fusible material broke the connection so tin the via and connect it
to both leads (ignore the lead for the heater).

Here's a pretty terrible example:

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As with the previous one, it's best to get a new one once the repair is confirmed.

POSTED BY VIKTOR AT 7:36 AM


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CocosNuciferaJune 24, 2017 at 6:56 AM

Thanks for the great writeups on the battery stuff... I think I need to pull my "saleae" logic analyzer clone
(fx2lp) out of my toolbox and try out your smbusb firmware.
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I was just tearing apart some chin-bay cheapo battery pack for a T61 Thinkpad, which I never wound up using,
and these re-manned battery packs seem like a true fire hazard. Toolsley - Modern browser
1. it's a 3S2P - says capacity is 5200mAh, but when I pull it apart its using FST 2000mAh cells ... Ha they tools
rounded 4000 up to 5200... nice trick, but if that was it, it wouldn't be so bad....
2. looking over the battery monitoring board (has this bq8030 ic, which TI doesn't talk about - but your blog EEWeb Electronics Forum
does, which lead me here ;)... I noticed that the board has a nice big wire jumper bodged over the top of the
fusible link you describe.. The wire gauge looks to be on the order of 18ga... like a clipped lead from a power
diode... So this pack must have had this link blown in a previous life, and they just do this quick repair (like the
old trick of putting a penny in a fuse holder to bypass the blown fuse)...
I'm sure this jumper will not be the first thing to go when/if over current condition hits this pack.... CONTACT

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Viktor June 24, 2017 at 7:43 AM

Hey, glad you found it interesting. Link exchange/Blogroll add request?


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Wow, that's pretty bad... I guess at least they're still a bit better than the ones with the home-cooked
chinese controller board that doesn't even do any thermal monitoring. Unless the controller just keeps com
the heater on indefinitely when the fuse doesn't blow... that could get messy :-)

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UnknownOctober 13, 2017 at 12:51 AM

Thank you very much for the writeup! I've been dealing with 12AH3 already.. Have you ever heard about fuse
fu**ing up the firmware when it blows? On x220T battery pack replaced the fuse but still 0v, cells are good and
have power, tried to wake it up but no luck..

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Viktor October 13, 2017 at 2:59 AM

Glad you found it useful!

It's the other way around. If the controller blew the fuse then it's guaranteed to have also set the
permanent failure flag in it's data flash and will refuse to work until that's cleared. For more info on that
see related posts section here: http://www.karosium.com/p/smbusb.html

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UnknownFebruary 26, 2018 at 8:04 AM

Hello Viktor,
I've found this very interesting post by searching about 12AH3 on the Net...
It was blown like your right side photo, and I've tried to fix this fault by soldering a very thin copper wire upon
chip. I've taken photos but cannot joint them here.
But it seems there is another problem to solve because battery pack is not recognized or connected in the slot
of my Dell Vostro 3700...
Maybe as you notice a "reset" problem, but where is the "reset pin" chip, on the motherboard of the computer
or on the motherboard of the battery cells controller, inside the battery pack?
I specify that before I repair the IC 12HA3, I disconnected the four leads connecting the four cells of the
battery pack to avoid other problems.
Thanks if you can read me and answer.
Sorry for my poor English,
Best Regards from France,
Philippe

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Viktor February 26, 2018 at 3:11 PM

Hi,

If the fuse is gone you almost certainly have a controller that has set the permanent failure flag and
disabled the pack so fixing the fuse alone won't do anything. Resetting the microcontroller and resetting
the failure flag are two separate things. There is no "reset pin" that will fix your pack, that's just for
restarting the controller. The failure flag is set within the flash memory on the chip and you need to find
it and clear it manually. Doing so requires some experience with reverse-engineering binary blobs and
a basic understanding of how microcontrollers work.

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UnknownFebruary 27, 2018 at 1:15 AM

Thank you for your prompt response. I - after research - found the micro-controller guilty, a 'bq20889'. I also
understand the policy applied by Dell since 2010 about 'consumables like batteries'. I do not have the
opportunity to invest in hardware to reset the failure flag, too bad. The cells are good, I'll use it for something
else, maybe a solar application. Thanks again.
Philippe

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Carrick McHwainFebruary 15, 2020 at 7:33 PM

Hi,

I hope someone is still reading? On the 3 legged one, is it ok simply to connect the 2 left legs to jump it?

I also read someone connecting both legs to the heater, is that ok?

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