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Subtly acknowledge other girls flirting with you when you are out with her. An eye Dating Market Value Test
Occasionally be emotionally distant. She has to think you mull the idea of leaving T U
her.
@FamesBlond @LouiseMensch
Muse wistfully about past lovers. The Fundamental Premise in
action. 3 weeks ago
Never take her on dinner dates before you’ve had sex with her.
RT @FamesBlond:
Never agree to meet her friends before you’ve had sex with her.
@ChateauEmissary
Nerver spend more than the price of a few high alcohol content drinks on her @LouiseMensch SMH at the
before you’ve had sex with her. sheer bitterness towards the
few men have those options
Never do her a favor before you’ve had sex with her.
compared to volume of opp…
3 weeks ago
Always try to get her to do you a favor before you’ve had sex with her. @Tears4Clowns The sexual
(Compliance tests. These are the male version of shit tests.) market has a nihilism bias.
But women who really fear
Never introduce her to anyone you know before you’ve had sex with her, unless its
abandonment have another
former hot girlfriends or friends who happen to be hot girls. (Exception: If you
option: don't marry a super
have a known player buddy for a friend, make sure she sees you hanging out with
alpha. 3 weeks ago
him. This way, in the future, every time you mention you are having a beer with
him, her hamster will run the wheel off its axel.) @MiaoReport Sure, but like
White altruism, it never stops
When you receive texts and phone calls in her company, never tell her who
"working" until the
they’re from. If she asks, scold her for being a creepy eavesdropper.
environment changes and
Never laugh at her jokes, even when they’re funny. If you must, chuckle under makes it pathological.
your breath. 3 weeks ago
When at her place, eat all her food, leave the seat up, change her TV channels,
and torture her cat. Act like it’s your second home. R C
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Do all of the above and you will be able to date women one to three points higher
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than you could be expected to get by societal standards. Do these to a girlfriend
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and you will be a god to her. A god among penii.
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When she sees you as a god, she is: Another
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Does that sound good to you? Yes? Then get to artificially pumping up your
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status! Years of sacrifice in academia and the corporate world not needed.
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The writer and former lawyer, Casey Greenfield, however fails to disclose her
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personal biases. During a lengthy adulterous affair with CNN legal analyst and
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author Jeffrey Toobin she managed to get knocked up. She claims Toobin was the
father which he denied. She also alleged that he GASP! offered to pay her to have
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Too funny.
The Daily Sarge
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Vox Popoli
West Hunter
Whiskey's Place
“On the morning of a first or second date with her, send her this cryptic T H
text message: “Change of plans.” If she responds, do not reply. Give her M H
the gift of fretting all afternoon. Two hours before the scheduled date Alias Clio
time, text her again: “Meeting at [bar B] instead of [bar A].” ” Dusk in Autumn
“Never laugh at her jokes, even when they’re funny. If you must, chuckle
under your breath.”
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Proof lies in the fact that the typical high school female sends out 100
texts a day (high-end hamsters average 300-500 texts per day). High school
males typically send out only 20 texts per day.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2010/04/21/high_school_girls_exchan
If this isn’t the single greatest unassailable proof of the hamster, then logic has
died.
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So, so true.
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Do you just say you have other stuff to do and you can’t meet until 8:30?
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Captain Obvious–
Maybe she hoped it would get him to leave his wife and marry her, but in any
event I think she wanted his kid and his child support=also alimony. All without
his consent. Hey you have to pay sperm banks. This way she gets paid.
The fembot slimewoman operating in a deeply unfair feminist lobbied for set of
family court laws against men.
If Toobin wanted her to get an abortion (or give the infant up to adoption) but she
decided to keep the child, he should have had the right to abort any financial
obligations (but then also parental rights) with respect to that child.
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Good advice, but I hope that chodes don’t take the “torture the cat”
advice literally.
In terms of jokes, I just smile at the funny ones and let the crickets chirp on the
rest.
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Ellen Degenerate has been called funny, but she’s pretty much a guy anyway.
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@Workshy Joe
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JT on February 1, 2011 at 3:08 pm
When meeting her dog for the first time, said in baby cooing talk: “Hello
Doggy, you’re so fucking ugly!”
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It is truly one of the cosmic ironies of the universe that women should
completely lack the capacity to truly appreciate the niceties of men – yet
still perpetually claim to desire those niceties.
With the notable exceptions of natural born Alphas, men would overwhelmingly
default to being compassionate, empathic souls, steeped in romantic notions of
chivalry, dedication and honor. In fact they’ll make silly attempts to redefine raw,
natural, Alpha masculinity to come into accord with all these noble qualities.
Tragically women and reality prove them wrong at virtually every instance.
Men are simply never rewarded for displays of these higher-self aspirations with
the genuine appreciation of women. If anything they punished for them, either in
the instance or progressively over time. The only way to garner true appreciation,
true valuation, truly inspired displays of affection, from women is to covertly imply
the risk of losing a high-value Man. Whether the man is truly of a higher value is
irrelevant, only the perception needs to be reinforced. Risk of loss is all that
factors. Risk of loss is why the hamster of her Id so furiously spins the wheel in
her head.
That sounds horrible, but the truth often is. Women’s lack of appreciation for the
more compassionate natures of men, and their consuming regard for rewarding
men that appease their hypergamy is so well proven it’s become predictable
enough to develop techniques and behavior modifications to exploit it (i.e. Game).
Most guys would like nothing better than to play the loving white knight romantic
women bemoan a lack of in the world. Yet for every sonnet composed, every
provision met, every compliment delivered and every well planned candlelit dinner
conversation, there’s a woman feverishly fucking her Alpha bad boy for fear of
losing him to the competition.
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but I hope that chodes don’t take the “torture the cat” advice literally
Unrelated news, but there is a fat/old/lonely woman in my building who raises a
german shepherd in her two-bedroom apartment.
She probably loves to walk with it and see people going out of the sidewalk so as
to avoid the dog
My psichological analysis: she hates the world for her loneliness and forcing
people out of the sidewalk is her revenge. That dog, and his owner, are completely
eligible for torture
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good luck happy hunting for those 1′s and 2′s!! hahah!!
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Expect bigger and bigger government intervention in the lives of men. Men,
meanwhile, and heading for the exits (i.e. ex-pat)
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I had plans to take a lady friend out for dinner and watch either Labyrinth
or Zoolander (two favorites of ours) back at my place. As I was leaving
work to meet her, I saw my phone blinking with several missed calls and
text messages. It turns out she had somehow misplaced the details on where we
were to meet and had been calling and texting me all afternoon trying to figure
out where it was. Already late myself, I quickly texted the name and address of
the place to her.
As I hurried out my building, more texts began pouring in. “where were you?”
“you weren’t answering your phone!,” that kind of thing. As I scurried down the
entrance to the subway (phones don’t work in the subway here in NYC) I decided
I was already late enough and that replying to this nonsense was a waste of time
I already didn’t have. Still, way back in a deep corner of my brain something was
nagging me…
Some background: this lady and I had been friends for awhile, then things had
evolved into a friends with benefits arrangement, things had gone sour and we
hadn’t talked for three months, then we had decided to patch things up and be
friends again, with one drunken sleepover in the middle of our reconciliation. Truth
be told, she now had a serious boyfriend and while I was more than just a LJBF
orbiter, I was not so very much more.
Fifteen minutes later I was waiting at the 6th avenue stop to transfer to my next
train and it hit me. The universe had aligned in an amazing and cosmic way, one
that I could never have arranged deliberately no matter how hard I tried. I looked
at the display to see how long I had until my train arrived—4minutes, just enough
time. I sprinted up two flights of stairs to the top of the subway station. By
reaching my hand through the bars, I could just push my cell phone out enough
to get a miniscule amount of service. I laughed delightedly and texted her the
three most important words in the English language:
Ten minutes later, as I reemerged from the subway station I saw more texts, each
grousing along the lines of “ugh, why so bossy?” I could tell the “bring the
movies” game was working like a charm.
Later, we went back to my place to watch the movies. Fifteen minutes later, she
was “cold” enough to grab a blanket sidle up to me for some cuddling…
Looking back, my text game wasn’t even particularly alpha. Sure I had
successfully ignored a bunch of whinnying and whining on her part, but it wasn’t
anything spectacular. What was exceptional, though, was the way texting those
magic three words had made me feel. Proud, aloof and in control. Although it
probably barely registered with the other patrons at the restaurant we had eaten
at that night, she could see it as clearly as Geordi Laforge looking at a neutrino
stream. She could see it in the shit-eating grin I couldn’t keep off my face after
using “bring the movies” game.
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@what
Your comment sounds like it was made in a bathroom stall in a bar with
an Alpha.
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squuuueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaakkk!
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I mean, I like a guy to have a life that isn’t centered around me, and if
that includes travelling and getting drunk I don’t care. But getting randomly angry
or emotionally distant at me will get you dumped. I don’t have patience for
drama.
[Editor: Who said anything about “random” anger? Try reading without
inserting your biases.]
The guy I’m currently hung up on took me out on a romantic dinner date and
didn’t want to have sex with me. He laughs at my jokes and does occasional
favors for me. We’ve both met each other’s friends. And I adore him to the point
that it takes actual effort to not stalk him.
Also, a tip for the presents: so many guys give expensive, meaningless presents.
Hundred-dollar jewelry will not get you points with me, because I hate jewelry (I
always break it). A one-buck pack of Skittles, however, will probably earn you a
blowjob, because I fucking love Skittles. Money doesn’t matter, paying attention
matters.
For reference: I am perfectly willing to do anal and wear lingerie, I never cheat
and I regard bitching and moaning, if done without humor, to be so rude as to be
morally wrong.
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I was chilling with a girl and my friends (after I was already banging her,
she was also my friend’s gf) and I left my computer out and she was using it for a
couple minutes before I inquired “Hey what are you doing over there with my
computer?”
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@Cobragirl
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Oscar Wilde
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Evil Alpha,
0:00 / 0:00
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I met two pretty girls who made me laugh. One by quoting lines from the
Simpsons in awkward situations. The other burped at dinner. I like to think it was
on purpose.
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Corporal Hicks on February 1, 2011 at 4:10 pm
So “Cobragirl” lets us know that she is hung up and stalking Mr. adorable-
funny-kind-interesting-similar-to-me man?
Yeah, sure. LOL. When she gets bored with Mr. Adorable, she’ll be picking the corn
out of the shit of Mr. Bad-ass A**hole and loving every kernel.
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I’m not pretty: I’m pretty sure roissy would call me a 6 or so because I’m skinny
and young, but I’ve been mistaken for a guy too many times to have any illusions
about my femininity. I have very poor social skills: I spend a lot of my Saturday
nights at home with a good book and some David Bowie. I’m not the girl you’re
seducing. But I do exist, and it pisses me the fuck off to see “what hot outgoing
twentysomething women of moderate intelligence who go to clubs a lot want”
passed off as “what women want.”
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@AlphaWalksIntoABar
I do this one frequently – say I have dinner with “someone” and will meet her at a
nearby bar. Pretty easy, and it gets the hamster running.
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PS Cobragirl,
Before there was “bring the movies game” there was Skittles game.
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Corporal Hicks: “A woman has never, ever made me laugh out loud.”
0:00 / 0:29
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Having your gay BFF take you out to dinner doesn’t count.
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Believe me.
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well, “cobragirl”, if you do exist, even more of a reason not to get too
attached (read behave like above) to the 99% of the rest of your gender,
with whom “funny, adorable, intelligent, interesting, kind and similar to
me in personality” works pretty well until one day you discover “he’s an awesome
guy, but he’s too kind and timid, something was missing”.
More likely though, you’re spergy geek yourself, which is a viable alternative for a
relationship, but let’s be honest there are tradeoffs.
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If you’re youngish, you need a facebook account. now, you can refuse to
“Friend” her til you’re already banging, but you do need one it seems.
Most of these help you up your value once she’s already somewhat attracted to
you, but might be hard to manage to get the attraction in the first place.
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cobragirl, “would call me a 6 or so”. b-i-ngo.. and yeah, you’ve got some
point in this case, but you don’t exactly disprove anything in the post.
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“When at her place, eat all her food, leave the seat up, change her TV
channels, and torture her cat. Act like it’s your second home.”
*Always leave her bed a mess (better yet, always have her make yours)
*Make fun of her driving ability (assuming she ever drives you anywhere)
*Make fun of her DVDs, CDs, sex mixes
*When she’s horny, occasionally deny her sex (bonus points if you make her give
you a blow job instead)
My current girl wears wears lingerie everyday and worships the ground I walk on.
All the while she’s hooking me up with tickets to concerts and sports games. Last
week she messaged me while I was out with my buddies, “text me if you fancy a
booty call lol ;)”
Gmac
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Poochie– You are missing the point. I’m not happy when someone gives
me Skittles because I’m glad they’re degrading me; I’m happy when
someone gives me Skittles because I love Skittles and it shows that they were
paying attention to minor details of my personality. If you try to give Skittles to
someone who’s watching her weight, she’s going to be pissed as fuck at you.
Dave– Dude, he’s straight. Just rather– I suppose you guys would call it ‘beta’,
wouldn’t you? Sweet and prone to chivalrous attitudes about protecting women.
Also, he was still very hung up on his bitch ex, which probably affected his
decision making.
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Jack I:
You tell her you don’t use facebook or that you think it’s for gossip-
obsessed drama queens… whatever. Set all your privacy settings to the max and
it’ll even make it hard for her to find you, much less see your friends, pictures,
etc.
You should limit the amount of information you put on FB anyway, just in case you
end up banging a girl you already have as a friend.
There is absolutely NO reason to add any girl you are interested in on facebook. If
anything it will hurt your chances with her.
Gmac
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I do most of these without even thinking of it, and it’s because of reading
this blog. Once you’ve got the experience of many women and strong
inner game, you will naturally do the right things.
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last tango– I don’t know. Most of the women I know– many of whom are
far hotter than me– are dating men who are nice to them and fairly
similar to them in personality. It’s true that I tend to hang out with nerds
(why wouldn’t I? I’m a nerd myself), but that doesn’t change the fact that nerds
exist! We really ought to be part of your model of womanhood! We might not wear
makeup so often, but we’re low-maintainance and kinky in bed, we own our own
corsets and we totally get your Star Wars jokes.
To be fair, I have dumped perfectly nice guys for being boring. But the solution to
that is not “stop being nice,” it’s “get something to fucking talk about already,
jeez, don’t you have a hobby or something.”
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Chances are she’s paying attention and just waiting for that moment (shower,
bathroom, etc.) to jump all over your phone. Women deny it, but they are sneaky
as shit when it comes to this stuff.
She shouldn’t have access to any of your technology, mail, garage codes, etc. Do
this, and you’ll also sleep easier at night.
Gmac
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Begby on February 1, 2011 at 5:02 pm
The surest way to make a woman unhappy is to let her have exactly what
she claims to want.
And cobragirl, sorry, but you just don’t count in this discussion, as an admitted 6
dating a beta. We are not here looking for ways to game geeky tomboys, nice as
you may be.
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Girl:But liz is tired and not wanting to go out now so if you want to meet up
tonight I can
[Editor: Don’t bite on this. Tell her you can’t make it tonight and leave it
at that.]
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@Cobragirl
“If you try to give Skittles to someone who’s watching her weight, she’s
going to be pissed as fuck at you.”
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And there are some very hot, very funny women in the world.
@cobragirl No offense but “women” on this blog means women we want to fuck.
Again, no offense but nerdy girls that get mistaken for boys are way below that
level.
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Girl:But liz is tired and not wanting to go out now so if you want to meet
up tonight I can”
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Anonymous–girl cancelling sounds an awful lot like she wants to see you
tonight, which is sooner than later. Plus she’s framing it as hanging out,
which is more casual than dating. Could be a good thing.
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Also, a tip for the presents: so many guys give expensive, meaningless
presents. Hundred-dollar jewelry will not get you points with me, because
I hate jewelry (I always break it). A one-buck pack of Skittles, however, will
probably earn you a blowjob, because I fucking love Skittles. Money doesn’t
matter, paying attention matters.
For reference: I am perfectly willing to do anal and wear lingerie, I never cheat
and I regard bitching and moaning, if done without humor, to be so rude as to be
morally wrong.
Does that sound good to you? Yes? Then get to artificially pumping up your
status! Years of sacrifice in academia and the corporate world not needed.
Not for slutty American girls. If you want a serious relationship with an Asian girl,
though, you need more traditional signals of status to impress her overbearing
mother.
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@Anonymous
Girl:But liz is tired and not wanting to go out now so if you want to meet up
tonight I can”
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Begby, not quite… I’d totally do a geeky chick. The problem is, especially
with this country fatties ratio, it’s not worth it to restrict yourself to these
magical not requiring game nerd chicks. Easier to game all.
And for long term, even they essentially are the same, if she’s good enough (i.e.
in cobragirl case she’s mistaken for a man like Justin Bieber, not George Costanza
)) eventually she’ll be properly seduced and will cheat before she knows what hit
her. Yeah, you could probably stay with her later and she’ll not throw you out like
more heartless cunts would, but screw that. You’ll still be “soulmates” with “kinda
same personality” so it’ll hurt even more.
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All great stuff. I’ve followed all of this and it’s worked wonders on having
the girl I’ve gamed and have started hanging out with do all sorts of stuff
for me.
She also sees me as somewhat cool emotionally and a bit of a mystery overall. It’s
an impression I’ve cultivated using everything here, so it all works.
“”Never introduce her to anyone you know before you’ve had sex with her, unless
its former hot girlfriends or friends who happen to be hot girls. (Exception: If you
have a known player buddy for a friend, make sure she sees you hanging out with
him. This way, in the future, every time you mention you are having a beer with
him, her hamster will run the wheel off its axel.)””
I introduced this girl to a player friend of mine. Bad Idea. This douche bag started
gaming her and asked her not to tell me he was in touch with her. After I banged
her hard the first time, she told me about this.
I’ve since cut it off with douche-bag friend. I’d say proceed with caution on this
point. Yes, have her see you with player friend but NEVER introduce player friend
to girl you’re gaming…ever.
I’ve managed to get this situation under control by cooly but firmly telling her
never to let a situation like this happen again if she wants to continue seeing me.
I’ve also cut off contact with douche bag and not bothered to explain to him why
I’m not reachable lately.
The rest of the advice is pure gold.
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@walawala
If you’re actively gaming a girl, no need to introduce other Alphas into the picture
with her. True enough.
That being said, always keep the bigger picture in mind. If this girl finds your
player-friend’s game superior to yours, than it’s back to the drawing board for
you.
– Leo Tolstoy
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Seriously, a significant amount of my success with the girl I’m currently seeing
and some others that I’m working on has come directly from the above two
strategies, particularly being seen talking to a hot girl who is flirting with you at a
bar. I will never forgot how she got all up onto me after her hot ass best friend
flirted with me and then took and wore my hat around the bar last weekend. That
shits catnip, and taking forever to text/call them back is icing on the cake during
the daytime.
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JT and Begby– Our proprieter didn’t suggest that game would give you
hot women; he suggested that it would give you “women 1-3 points
above what you were fucking before.” I’m not feminine, but I am skinny
and young and that is better than a lot of men are doing. If you’re looking to hit
on me or most of my friends as a step up from fat women and use roissy’s advice,
you’re going to fail.
[Editor: Rule #1: Don’t listen to what women say. Watch what they do.]
Corporal Hicks– Hey, don’t blame me, blame the bitches people date.
Race Traitor– Well, I am in fact slutty, masculine and American, but I think you
need to argue with the rest of the thread about whether I’m typical.
*Excepting threesomes and similar things where whoever I’m dating is fully aware
of it.
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cobragirl on February 1, 2011 at 6:53 pm
Roissy, I’m not doubting that you seduce women with those methods. That would
be stupid. I expect they work quite well on hot, outgoing, typically feminine
women– the sort that you would find attractive and that go to clubs on a regular
basis.
However, it is wrong to claim hot, outgoing, typically feminine women are all
women.
[Who cares about the fat chicks and the wall victims? Any man who
needs game to pick up those losers has bigger problems than simple
betaness.]
Like men, women are people and have different preferences; like men, it is
possible to classify them in groups and find traits that they are statistically more
likely to find attractive. You have found one such cluster, and think that it is every
woman on the entire planet.
[Why do you put words in my mouth? Where did I say *every* woman
had the same tastes in men? The fact is that the vast majority of women,
barring exceptions like yourself if you are to be believed (and I don’t),
share the same sexual desire algorithm for the opposite sex.]
I retract the statement about random anger. Rereading it again, “not being a
doormat” is actually quite good advice; I personally prefer civil discussions to
fights, but many women find fights quite arousing and like make-up sex.
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@cobragirl
t’s true that I tend to hang out with nerds (why wouldn’t I? I’m a nerd
myself), but that doesn’t change the fact that nerds exist! We really
ought to be part of your model of womanhood!
no, you oughtn’t. most of the guys here want to be with feminine women. that’s
not going to change no matter what demands you make.
if your ‘funny, adorable, intelligent, interesting’ beta guy is so great, why do you
care what the rest of us think?
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Itsme– For the exact same reason that you’d start arguing if I had a well-
trafficked, popular blog about how women ought to get men by cutting
their hair short, watching Firefly and anime, and making the first move.
Even if I said that “most women who read this blog like nerds.”
Roissy, please don’t be an idiot. I did not say “low self-esteem” or start naming off
professions. I said “hot, outgoing, typically feminine”;
[Editor: I’m cutting you off at the pass before you go down that route like
so many cunts before you.]
there is no reason why hot, outgoing, typically feminine women can’t have high
self-esteem or be grad students or lawyers or gallery owners.
[As most women are feminine (in comparison to men at least) your point
is weak sauce. What you are alluding to is a tiny subset of women like,
presumably, yourself, who are masculine in temperament and in their
arousal mechanism. Such a tiny subset who won’t respond to game is of
no concern to most men.]
[You’ve gotta get over this rainwoman-like club obstacle in your head.
Fewer than 5% of all women I’ve picked up in my life have been pickups
at clubs. And not many more women I’ve dated have even gone to a club
semi-regularly.]
Girl X is not a fat chick or a wall victim. She’s just someone who’s invisible in your
sample.
And also, dude, I am not twelve years old. I’ve been in fights in a relationship.
They’ve usually ended in me crying and eating ice cream, not in hot hot sex. But
for other people, it ends in hot hot sex. People are weird like that.
[Actually, people aren’t so weird like that. In fact, most people are pretty
fucking predictable. Make-up sex is a widely-acknowledged stereotype
for a reason.]
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Looked into the Top Chef chick as per Captain Obvious’s link.
Keep trollin
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Some of these kind of sound inciteful, like the first one seemed realistic
and down to Earth. However, some do sound a little like going out of the
way to be an asshole, in which both people have to work against their
will. Couldn’t tell if you were applying these to a long term relationship or to
minor courtship, but you answered that near the end.
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All right, then, where are you meeting them? Your advice seems to often
be about day game; getting approached by a stranger on a street corner
would give most of my friends hives. If it’s through friends of friends,
then it’s likely that your social groups do not overlap with groups with a lot of nerd
girls in them (if ComicCon is the major social event of the year among your
friends, then I stand corrected). If it’s at work– actually, I don’t know your job, so
I don’t know whether there’ll be nerd girls there.
You do realize, roissy, that the world is not divided neatly into Hot and Ugly? The
vast majority of everybody is “vaguely cute but unexceptional”. Since you don’t,
by your own account, hit on “vaguely cute but unexceptional” women,
[Ah, but I do. But you don’t have to take my word for it. The experiences
of millions of other men who also know the score validates what I write
about here.]
And while few men like ugly women, many men might want a “vaguely cute but
unexceptional” woman. We can’t all fuck 10s.
Many men are interested in anti-social women because they too are anti-social.
Many men are interested in me, despite my non-femininity, because I’m low-
maintenance and drama-free, I listen to them ramble about Fallout 3, I like action
movies and fantasy novels and cephalopods, and I understand the video game
jokes on their T-shirts.
And we’re a small sample? God. I’ve always thought there were exactly as many
as us as there were of the nerd boys (although there are some gender
differences– men tend not to write fanfic, women tend not to play Magic).
[Ballpark figure based on living in the real world: For every nerdgirl there
are 100 nerdboys. With those odds, it’s no wonder you have your pick of
the litter.]
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Nice article, blogger, I’m going to read it twice and commit as much of it
to memory as possible. From what I’ve seen I completely agree. Couple
this, too, with the necessity of upping your assholishness as the age of
the women you date drops.
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Corporal Hicks
@what
“Your comment sounds like it was made in a bathroom stall in a bar with
an Alpha.”
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@Race Traitor
” If you want a serious relationship with an Asian girl, though, you need
more traditional signals of status to impress her overbearing mother.”
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And this is literally five minutes of Googling while knowing what to look for.
[The fact that you googled female nerd representation puts you in a tiny
subset of women, perhaps less than 1%.
Game, set, match.]
But that’s getting kind of away from the main point, which is: and how many 6s
have you hit on? How many 5s? How many 4s? Assuming that female
attractiveness is normally distributed*, 4/5/6 should be about two-thirds of all
women. If your model doesn’t work for two-thirds of all women, there is a
problem with your model. Which is not to say that it’s a bad model, but that
saying it applies to “all women” is entirely wrong.
[I have been with 6s all the way up to 9s. The 6s served as hassle-free
placeholders until better prospects came along. Admittedly, a couple of
times I’ve slummed it with girls less than a 6, and I have the emotional
scars to this day. But without those grimy pump and dumps I couldn’t
have written my classic post “Hotter women, better sex”.
And there is the simple fact that I can easily observe 4s, 5s and 6s
getting successfully gamed by men. It’s a big world out there you know.]
Of course, it’s also possible your rating scale is improperly calibrated, or that
female attractiveness is differently distributed (possibly bimodal? That would fit in
with a more binary fuckable/nonfuckable model).
[Female beauty is like obscenity. We all know it when we see it. This is
why Sports Illustrated never has women who look like Kathy Bates on
their cover.]
*And generally most traits, when spread across a large enough population,
become normally distributed.
[When you take it in the ass, do you squeak like a mouse getting stepped
on?]
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@cobra
Itsme– For the exact same reason that you’d start arguing if I had a well-
trafficked, popular blog about how women ought to get men by cutting their hair
short, watching Firefly and anime, and making the first move. Even if I said that
“most women who read this blog like nerds.”
ummm, no, i wouldn’t. i have no interest in short haired masculine geeky girls
who watch firefly and anime, so i wouldn’t even be reading such a blog.
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“Ballpark figure based on living in the real world: For every nerdgirl there
are 100 nerdboys. With those odds, it’s no wonder you have your pick of
the litter.”
For those without the patience to read cobragirl’s litany of comments, that’s it in a
nutshell.
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Dude, let me tell you something: american women, high class american
women at least, are pretty fucked up.
I’m from Barcelona, and no healthy women would put up with that here. Not even
the the hottest ones; honestly. And I know what I’m talking about, because thank
god I was born kind of a natural. But not even strippers or sluts would take more
than…20% of what’s on that list. Different cultures, I guess.
Glad for you that your hot chicks have such clear patterns to get sex out of them;
though is kind of sad they don’t respect theirselves at all. Girls here rather
someone more… human.
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Cobragirl,
Consider yourself fortunate that you have been permitted to Detox my Buttox.
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@bricona
Some of these kind of sound inciteful, like the first one seemed realistic
and down to Earth. However, some do sound a little like going out of the way to
be an asshole, in which both people have to work against their will.
some of us have a natural gift for assholery, so we’re really not going out of our
way.
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Try saying that when you’re married for a few years and bored because methods
above were not used.
Admittedly guys mostly try to seduce me with the “let’s watch Doctor Who
together” method, but if this is the example of the A-game of seducers
everywhere, I’m in no danger of violating my ethics.
this post is not quite about seduction. That would be more of ice blue (or
dominant brown) eyes, character, magic and sparks and all that crap. You know, I
actually typed a bit more here on more general life notes, but figured, wtf am I
doing… Let’s save you from yourself, be good, you doing everything right.
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side note to men… I know a few rather geeky chicks, not quite 4chan or
star trek material, but definitely not clubbing types (rock scene,
hipsters). While they might require gentler treatment than above once
you dating, to get her to bed it still the same principles, supplication and betaness
doesn’t work. Still need confidence and character and game. Granted there’s
higher chance that if you ask for a number directly and offer to watch Dr. Who,
you’d get it and take her out etc. But if you hoverhand and smirk like she’s farting
rainbows, like most betas do, no soup for you! essentially even our guest says the
same.
also, cobragirl, if you’re nerd and girl, you know what to do at this point.
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Cobragirl what color is the sky in the world you live in?
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The more I read Roissy and implement Game (within my own values), the
more I see it works and wonder how I ever got laid.
I’m now in a relationship and I’ve utterly lost the frame. I mean, it’s destroyed.
She’s dug in and does everything she can to force me into her frame. I don’t know
what to do but walk away at this point.
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And dude, I have cashed in. I have my nerd boy, and we’re planning to get
married on 3/14/15 (ultimate pi day!). And I’ve never had particularly high
market value in the first place: I’ve been hit on by a non-friend exactly once (I
told my girlfriend to hit him).
last tango– I have gotten bored in relationships before, but it seems to have no
correlation with their aloof alpha assholedom. Instead I seem to get bored at
people who lack the art of conversation.
Although in the unimaginable event I come to not want my nerd boy, I presume I
would brain-hack myself into wanting him again or figure out what had changed to
make him unattractive and have him change it back. Marriage is a serious
commitment and to be respected.
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@Fox
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/is-spain-the-worst-country-in-
the-world-for-players/
Roisslord’s posts are a fine precision tuned high end automobile and the
commenters are enthusiasts. Most enthusiasts/commenters who
customize/comment add performance/insight. Then you have the alternative who
slap on chrome gauche oversize wheels/cobragirl and the NAWALT set etc.
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WOW– Nope. It’s one of the many traits that keeps me from being a
10.
last tango– I am not entirely sure what I’m supposed to do, besides applaud you
for your masterful Seinfeld reference and agree that being a “beta” does not work.
If you fawn on her every word and do her constant favors, she’s either (a) not
going to notice because she’s oblivious like that (hi!) or (b) going to be creeped
out. Treating her like a normal person, then expressing sexual interest, works far
better.
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I’d date cobra girl ..no problem ..sounds challenging ..interesting.. surely
intelligent could be fun…ballsy too jumped right in ..
…and because she believes she knows what makes her tick …more power to her …
who cares if its true.. at least she sounds genuine.. somewhat aware of herself
and not a mirror of the last 10 years of bad TV
however could be a pain in the ass too who knows ..big possible red flag she’s
american..oh well ..was interesting to read..
imo looks are over-rated in relationships for everything BUT sexual attraction..
once a guy reaches a certain number of women he has been with whatever that
may be for his particular appetite 20 50 500 lovers.. and the skill at seducing
them is a natural part of his being ..he doesnt live his life like he’s starving ..the
reasons for attraction start to change …especially as he gets older and if he stayed
single
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Anonymous on February 1, 2011 at 11:16 pm
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I’ve learned these things from Roissy in the past year and have applied
them liberally. Personal testimony is that these actions are a big reason I
am more successful at keeping multiple long term relationships.
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After coming from friends house (our 2nd date), we settled down and I
went to grab a couple things out of the kitchen, I had left my phone on the table
and peeked around the corner and was about to ask her for a drink and she was
holding my phone up to the light to try and see my FINGERPRINTS. (i had an
autolock and 4 digit passcode). She didn’t see me and tried for another 30
seconds or so. Can’t speak for Mozilla, but with a mac you can do a auto-delete or
choose not to auto fill, etc. I ALWAYS keep both phone and mac locked, it’s like a
fucking 3 year old rummaging for crayon and coloring books the minute you leave
them alone…..
Anybody else have this happen?
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99% of the advice here is pure gold, but any mastery or game you’ve got is null
and void, and you’ve learned nothing, if you torture an animal.
[Editor: Humor impaired much? Btw, I’ve never seen a housecat with 1
inch fangs. Maybe you’re mistakenly keeping a cougar for a pet?]
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Women don’t have anywhere near the introspective capacity they claim,
let alone the ability to “brain-hack” themselves. The hind-brain runs
encrypted ROM, not flash. Nerd girls become nerd girls in order to endear
themselves to nerd boys. Had they the physical traits to attract men at large,
they’d not bother specializing. Satisfying your hypergamic instincts by marrying
up to a pencil-neck doesn’t make you special or quirky. Simple math says it
makes you a 4.
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like the blog. and useful post. Recently had the misfortune of seeing this
mentos commercial. why i thought to post it here is probably obvious.
0:00 / 0:00
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From: http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/01/13/where-have-all-the-
good-women-gone-2/
Every week or so, the mainstream press publishes another of these “where have
all the good men gone” articles, invariably penned by some female dullard who is
over the hill but “still looking” for a worthy partner to settle down with. As
Spearhead readers will be well aware, her real cause for complaint is the expiry
date on her Pussy Pass; men of all ages would rather pursue the newer models
than act as her personal meal ticket for the evening. Her real complaint is that
men simply stopped being interested in her. What she would really like now is for
these “manchildren” to just grow up and take responsibility for her own actions.
The fact that these articles “ wearisome and predictable as they are “ appear with
such regularity, while virtually no space exists for the equivalent criticism of
women, speaks volumes about our collective Locus of Consciousness.
A commentary which similarly takes women to task would not make it past the
editor’s desk of any mainstream publication. Criticism of women is strictly
verboten; such is the official policy of the guardians of popular culture.
Introspection and honesty with oneself have no place in the female Locus of
Consciousness, which appears to operate on the principle that “the truth is
whatever I want to be the truth.”
Women, it is claimed, are strong, independent, feisty, smart, cute, sexy, capable,
emphatic, classy, etc., and all the other positive traits you can find listed in
women’s magazines, feminist blogs, newspapers, talk shows, movies, and other
sources of boastful pomposity.
On the flip side, men are routinely slandered for their masculinity, or lack of it.
The display of any masculinity whatsoever is elevated to the status of
“hypermasculinity” “ a loaded neologism which places one on the same moral
plane as violent rapists.
All of this is spelled out quite clearly in the words of women asking where all the
“good men” have gone. Women, of course, are free to pursue their own
masculinity as they please; dressed in pantsuits and armed with false bravado,
they declare themselves the superior gender, the eventual victors of the long and
fierce battle of the sexes.
And yet, with all this cheering and braying regarding women’s apparent victory
over the opponents who didn’t even bother to show up at the battlefield for four
decades, I just don’t see it. When I look around me, I see women absolutely
failing to live up to this archetype which the mainstream feminist media presents.
Strong, independent, sexy, smart, etc.? One could consider that feminism has
created more demands for women to live up to than “patriarchy” ever did.
No, what I see, for the most part, are sad, deflated wretches, clinging like
barnacles to the side of the ship of civilisation, which is rapidly sinking under their
weight.
Rather than competing on the same playing field as men, she sought to tilt that
field in her favour, so that she could scramble up onto the podium without ever
needing to learn how to play the game. From her lofty position, she declared
herself every bit as competent as men “ if not moreso “ with absolutely no
comprehension of the irony of her statement.
The female Locus allowed woman’s deserved success to ring out across the land,
precisely because she wanted it to be true. Affirmative action, harassment lawsuit
threats, juked statistics, government grants, the mass guilt-tripping of males; all
these mechanisms, which she had used to ascend to her throne, were carefully
ignored. They do not, after all, have any place in the meta-narrative of female
strength; ceasing to have a purpose, they simply ceased to be true in her mind.
Men and boys continued toiling in the field below. They had no such recourse
when faced with life’s obstacles “ of which they found more and more as time
went by, thrown down at them by the very same women who had torn up the
rulebook and now demanded that their male counterparts be increasingly
regulated.
“Women only earn 75 cents on the male dollar,” modern Western woman whined,
apparently forgetting that the sentence concludes: “for 70% of the work.”
Men are The Problem, it was declared, and anyone who dared suggest otherwise
was an anti-progressive, a misogynist, a neanderthal, a rape apologist, a
chauvinist, a patriarch, and so on. As boys were increasingly prescribed drugs to
curb their dangerous youthful male energy, society came around to the idea that
men and women are identical in all but genitals, and even those were negotiable.
Society was to be redesigned along gender-neutral lines, except, of course, for
when women are superior; commiserations to those masculine men who found
themselves next in line to be crushed underneath the steamroller of androgyny.
And androgyny is what I see; it is an image which cannot be reconciled with the
sexy, cute image in which women see themselves.
Women seem to have this bizarre notion that they can tell men what is attractive
in a woman, and what is not. But, to quote Shakespeare, a turd by any other
name stinks just as bad. What I see, when I look at the women around me, are
dull, dumpy harridans, with men’s haircuts, wearing men’s clothes, with slumped
shoulders and dead eyes. Aging, fat-faced non-entities giggling obnoxiously over
sexual innuendo as though they were teenage girls. Crones long past their prime,
who divorced their husbands on the pretence that they could make it on their
own, and promptly shoved their hands out at Big Husband Government.
Women have lost their femininity; that most crucial of all characteristics needed to
attract a man, upon which sexiness and cuteness are surely based.
Those young women who spend their nights hopping bars and clubs, their faces
painted up like clowns, aggressively pursuing men for casual sex, can hardly be
considered feminine. Their allure is superficial, and appeals only to the physical
senses; is it any surprise that men want nothing more to do with them, following
sex (if that)? You can shop all day long for that perfect outfit which just oozes
class, but that’s certainly not the vibe you give off when you pass out on the
street in a pool of your own vomit.
But what about smarts? When they’re not stumbling around in a drunken stupor,
women are going to college in record numbers, having now surpassed the number
of male graduates. Well, yes, the policy of making college campuses the most
hostile places in the world for young men has been a roaring success. It is small
wonder that men are avoiding further education at institutions which actively seek
to expand the definition of “rape” to encompass most or all examples of
consensual heterosexual intercourse “ the fact of rape soon to be determined, not
even by the alleged “victim,” but third party Women’s Centers, if Duke University’s
new policy is any indication. The problem for universities is that their sexual
harassment of men has meant throwing the baby out with the bathwater; as men
leave in droves, participation in the hard sciences plummets.
And all this is leaving aside those women who use their social position as females
to manipulate men and the system in a variety of ways, e.g. by making false
accusations of sexual assault in return for financial rewards. Have these creatures
no morality, no sense of responsibility or compassion towards others? They openly
brag about their affairs, they boast to the world about how they robbed their jilted
husbands of their life’s earnings in a divorce settlement; they glorify in these
behaviours which crush an innocent man’s dreams and drive him to suicide. Score
another one for the sisterhood.
There are no ladies left. Modern woman insists that every man treat her “like a
lady,” seemingly without any awareness that to be treated as a lady, one must
actually act like a lady. Can we imagine Don Juan complaining that women never
treat him like a gentleman? How is this any less absurd? Yet, most people never
manage to lift their heads up, out of the festering swamp of politically-sanctioned
thought, to realise that a whore is simply a whore.
And that’s why middle-aged female hacks can get away with their repeated
complaints that men aren’t kowtowing to their demands any more – they aren’t
“good” men, in the sense that a child or a pet is “good” for doing what it’s told. It
never seems to cross their minds that they might actually have to appeal to men.
No, the faintest whiff of the idea that a woman should live up to a man’s
expectations causes women to cry foul: that’s oppression! On the other hand, it’s
perfectly acceptable for women to make demands that men settle down and
support them now, and even to decide, on a man’s behalf, what he should find
attractive in women.
We have it all fundamentally backwards. While female journalists and other cranks
prattle on about the dearth of good men, one needs only to take a look around to
realise that it is good women who are few and far between.
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Wow cobragirl was at it here for nearly 7 hours. I wonder if the term “get
a life” comes to mind? If I recall, that used to be a big insult to nerds
everywhere.
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Cobragirl said:
Sorry, darlin’, but ultimate pi day is 3/14/16. In my class it’s points off for
incorrect rounding.
Anyone want to place any bets on a wedding date more than three years in the
future? You should invite us; I’d love to swoop your nerd bridesmaids.
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Southern Man on February 2, 2011 at 12:47 am
Mr. C said
C’mon, man, we all read The Spearhead. If you wanted to point it out, just give us
a link.
OK, I’m through bitching. Must have cabin fever from being holed up at home all
day due to the snowstorm.
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Don’t live together. It’s much harder to project mystery living under the
same roof, watching each other fold laundry every week. (Not to mention
side action will be more difficult to coordinate.)
There’s your problem Roissy and why you’ll be a miserable son of a bitch the rest
of your useless life. You cannot find beauty in the mundane and ordinary. It’s like
a person who has to take dimethyltryptamine or LSD in order to get worked up
about anything.
[Editor: Trees are great for pressing a girl against the trunk and fucking
the living shit out of her.]
Do you need a naked woman dressed like Lady Gaga to find it interesting?
[About the same as the fact that soft, slippery vaginas exist.]
You’ll never get it, Roissy. You and 99.9999% of the population. The ordinary is
extraordinary enough. That’s why you and everyone else is so miserable. Don’t
get it. Never will.
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Did you like that? A naked woman dressed like Lady Gaga? My problem is
that just being here automatically dumbs me down. It warrants so little
effort to even try to get through to you idiots. *smile* and peace out.
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I’ve been reading this blog for a few months now. Even though I was
skeptic (dare I say I even opposed it), I found your writing very
interesting and so I continued on. I saw you posted many things to back
up what you are saying, such as results from scientific studies. As much as the
truth hurt, it opened my eyes. I’ve been with a girl for about 3 years now, and
things had started to go in the wrong way. I started doing some game, and I
noticed things started improving. Not only was the sex better, but it was at least
daily, instead of the weekly tepid sex that I had settled for before. And she’s more
agreeable to me. I believe I’ve saved our relationship with game.
However, there exists another problem now. Yes, by now you’ve probably guessed
it. She’s been dropping some not-so-subtle hints about marriage. You know,
mentioning how everyone else is getting married, reading those magazines, etc.
Usually I just kind of ignore her or change the subject. But she keeps getting
more and more direct. What’s the best way of taking care of this?
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I always find that looking at her, keeping a completely straight face and
not saying anything when a woman makes a joke makes her crack up
laughing.
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Q,
why not simply say that you don’t cotton to a woman trying to get into a
man’s shoes by pushing a proposal in an indirect way.
Say if I’m ready to propose ———- then I’ll propose, ———— and not before.
Then say you got to go out and read a book on the 3-4 defense.
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roissy: “Btw, I’ve never seen a housecat with 1 inch fangs. Maybe you’re
mistakenly keeping a cougar for a pet?”
Had one with such growing-up. 13-1/4″ at the shoulder, 1″ fangs, 1/2″ claws,
weighed 32 lbs (overweight, but even so… ), head the size of a softball. Could kill
squirrels like they were mice. Size of an Ocelot. Liked to climb up the living room
curtains and hang from the wrought iron rod (house was built in 1918) by his
forepaws because he could. Damn strong and didn’t like going to the vet either.
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@what
You are an Asian girl? Are you fertile? Will you be a “tiger mother” to your
future children? Are you unusually attractive for your level of accomplishment, like
a beautiful Asian pharmacist girl I know?
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Cobragirl is smitten
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I have no doubt that these skills will be effective to certain type of girls.
However if this type of constant tactics is required to maintain a
somewhat manageable relationship with a girl, I would say the girl is not
worth your time. My time is too valuable to be wasted in this way and I would
rather spend it wisely on something else. Nevertheless good insights on modern
western women.
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Do all this and she is less likely to see you ever again. At least I would
be. And no, I definitely would not see a guy following those “rules” as a
God. I would see him as a total dick head and wouldn´t want to spend
any time with him and even less likely have sex.
Is it that some guys have very weird picture of how women really are or is it just
me?
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Also… before somebody starts moaning about this post being about “hot
girls” instead of nerds I can say I fall into the hot girl category and I
STILL think they way I wrote above.
Poor guys if some mentally totally fucked up girl is what you want…
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@ black sheep
Tried and true methods work. Women respond well to negative attention
(or lack of attention) in the right context.
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Gmac: Well I suppose I´m not a typical woman then. Or else this is
American thing and don´t work with Europeans as myself.
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@q
read this:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/the-ultimate-shit-test-marriage/
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@dreamer
just because abusers do the things on the list does not make the list a how-to
guide for abuse.
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@black sheep
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/are-european-girls-better-lays/
or here:
http://www.rooshv.com/solutions
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Black Sheep: The vast majority of females would say that this stuff
doesn’t work on them, but it works on the vast majority of females.
The woman in my life says this stuff doesn’t work on her, but it works. It works so
well that I am shocked.
I’m becoming aware of the fact that women are very poor at knowing themselves.
They seem worse at predicting their own behavior than they are at predicting the
behavior of other women.
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This advice will definitely work on 95% of all women who are 6-10s. As
you’ve eloquently noted in the past, most women really don’t know what
attracts them to men, and most of them also have massively inflated
egos. My boyfriend prior to my husband did all of these things, less so at the
beginning of the relationship, more so later on, because it worked for him in the
past. But all of those things just made me depressed and paranoid and sad. It was
horrible, actually. I was then confused when he acted like his heart was broken
when I broke up with him, because I really didn’t think that he cared that much.
If you are looking to have sex and/or keep a relationship with a typical hot girl
(95% of them), then do all of these things. But if you’re looking to keep a girl who
isn’t a horrible entitled bitch, I don’t think it will work in the long-term (if long
term is what you are looking for). In the short term, yes, it will probably even
work on the shy and sensitive types, and you will get sex and our attention, but
it’s horribly manipulative and soul crushing. I know you are just playing the odds,
and you’ll be successful with most women, but you’ll drive away the types of girls
with whom you might most want to be in a relationship. Although, many guys
seem to love bitchy girls, just like many women love assholes…..
[Editor: You have just committed the logcial error of obfuscation by false
equivalency. There are not neary as many men who love bitchy girls as
there are girls who love asshole men.]
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Corporal Hicks on February 2, 2011 at 10:06 am
The only cat I ever liked was one that acted like a dog.
I’m serious. You could wrestle with it, rub its stomach like crazy, throw a
ball and the cat would go get it.
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Looking back on the “Compliance Test” post from 2007, I was struck by
the high percentage of women posting in the forum. Must’ve been
something like 65% or more. Moreover every one seemed almost
certainly an actual woman, as opposed to someone who may or may not be, well,
pretending. With the percentages more than reversed these days (posters must
be 90% plus male now), I wonder when the worm turned on that one.
[Editor: According to Quantcast, this blog has more female readers now
than it did back then.]
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This is all good, but I think playas need to know one caveat: If she starts
to become extremely difficult as a result of using this type of game,
launch her. These tactics are very good for discerning whether she’s a
bitchy control freak or not.
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“I know you are just playing the odds, and you’ll be successful with most
women, but you’ll drive away the types of girls with whom you might
most want to be in a relationship. Although, many guys seem to love
bitchy girls, just like many women love assholes…..”
So basically, become a complete doormat to keep her happy for a few years, until
she becomes bored and dumps you
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LMAO
Poor Cobragirl!
She’s just like all the other girls who think she’s not like all the other girls.
Cobragirl recap
1. “I don’t like drama”… but you guys pissed me off so I just haaaaad to say
something..
2. “I am perfectly willing to do anal and wear lingerie”… sexual offers: page 1 of
the girl playbook.
3. “Money doesn’t matter”… but you can “earn a blowjob” if you buy me the right
thing.
4. “I’m a nerd”… who can’t round PI properly
5.” I have dumped perfectly nice guys for being boring”… cuz I really like assholes
7. ” Excepting threesomes”… see #2
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@Francesca.
You almost deserved a gold star cuz most women are in denial about
women’s true selves, but you fucked it up with this…
“but you’ll drive away the types of girls with whom you might most want to be in
a relationship”
Girls love nothing better than the project of reforming a jerk boyfriend… it makes
them feel special. Most of the guys on here know how calibrate the bad so as not
to go over the top with a given girl. You’re boyfriend was a novice.
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Race Traitor,
@what
“You are an Asian girl? Are you fertile? Will you be a “tiger mother” to
your future children? Are you unusually attractive for your level of
accomplishment, like a beautiful Asian pharmacist girl I know?
If so, bring the movies.”
Everyone, at least the regulars on this blog know I’m Asian. Minus points for you
for NOT paying attention. No movies for you! ha!
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“So basically, become a complete doormat to keep her happy for a few
years, until she becomes bored and dumps you”
My husband is not a doormat. He doesn’t put up with my shit when I get overly
emotional, he doesn’t laugh at my jokes that aren’t funny, and I know that he
would be perfectly fine without me. But throughout our relationship, he’s never
attempted to make me paranoid by mysteriously disappearing, or been
deliberately vague about his texting habits, or refused to show interest in my life,
or neglected to laugh at my jokes that, on the rare occasion, happen to actually
be funny.
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@Evil Alpha
“Girls love nothing better than the project of reforming a jerk boyfriend…
it makes them feel special. Most of the guys on here know how calibrate the bad
so as not to go over the top with a given girl. You’re boyfriend was a novice.”
You’re not wrong. I think most girls, including myself, want to be the girl who
inspires the rebel boyfriend to change for the ‘better’. And you’re right that even
for a more sensitive girl, a little bad is appealing…but extensive bad boy game
that would work on most women would be too much.
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Sounds boring Francesca. Soon you’ll be riding some other Alpha male’s
dick, no doubt.
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Just want to thank you Roissy, for your great advice and writing. Just
realizing that there was an alternate psychological side to social
mechanics is enough change this mans paradigm.
I was very much so living with my head in the sand and only after taking the first
steps in applying information gained on this site and seeing first hand that, even
minuscule adjustments in your own behavior towards the opposite sex has a very
grand effect.
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Begby on February 2, 2011 at 11:17 am
Francesca,
How about spending less time telling men to stop fishing with bait that is
proven to work, and more time telling your female friends to stop taking the bait
that assholes dangle in front of them. It would be far more effective…but then I
guess women would have to put out some effort so it is doomed to failure.
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Do not have a Facebook profile. If you do, it is filled with pics of you and
an assortment of hot chicks. No exceptions.
Ya, I’ve been laboring over this for some time now. No pics with hot chics. I think
what this means is I’ll have to accept permanent betatude, and hope for a few
flashes of alphatude. Post as little info as possible.
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@Francesca
“My husband is not a doormat. He doesn’t put up with my shit when I get
overly emotional, he doesn’t laugh at my jokes that aren’t funny, and I know that
he would be perfectly fine without me. But throughout our relationship, he’s never
attempted to make me paranoid by mysteriously disappearing, or been
deliberately vague about his texting habits, or refused to show interest in my life,
or neglected to laugh at my jokes that, on the rare occasion, happen to actually
be funny.”
He may not be a doormat, but your description is of a husband playing it too safe.
There is this awesome category beneath paranoid and right under “green eyed
monster” called “competitive” This is the zone where women react with random
blow jobs rather than crazed snooping. Your man, however, doesn’t seem to have
you in this sweetspot as much as in the dreaded, and all too typical comfort
zone… and that’s bad. When is the last time you went to VS?
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but, it tells us a bit about her betaboy…not enough of a man to catch the error, or
too much of a beta to correct her.
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Girls, we know that you don’t like such behaviors. Don’t worry, we believe
you.
But what you don’t realize is that you ALSO sexually respond to behaviors that
you don’t LIKE.
I take it as completely honest self assessment that you would, given the choice,
choose a man who did not exhibit such behaviors. And yet when it comes to
sexual attraction, honesty is worthless. It’s not what you say, it’s not what you
think, it’s not what you plan, it’s what you do.
And, sadly for you, as I’m sure you would like to like nice, decent guys, in real life
you reward asshole behavior. More than you want to ever admit to yourself.
I have an ex girlfriend who likes me wayyyy too much, and I treat her terribly. Her
nice young very handsome tall boyfriend is visiting, and she keeps calling me all
the time to say how she misses me, keeps hassling my sexiest girlfriend, and
shows too much affection towards me in front of the guy. Not to mention that she
still fucks and sucks me on demand. And I scream bloody murder at her and have
even on occasion been physical when she wouldn’t stop an insane outburst of
jealous freakout. If you asked her what behaviors she finds attractive, she would
describe nearly all of my behaviors as unequivocally UNattractive. And yet she
often asks me why she loves me so much. And she nearly daily reminds me that
she loves me. A few years after breaking up and several girlfriends later, and a
serious boyfriend on her part.
I get this from girls often – genuine wide eyed wonder. “What did you do to me?
Did you do voodoo? Why am I crazy about you?” I’m openly not monogamous and
I often treat the girls extremely harshly. Extremely.
Girls from all walks of life. One of my main few current girlfriends is top 10 in her
graduating class at her university, and is a hottie of the kind that could be
considered one of the hottest in the city. I suppose her ass could be tighter, but
her face could be called a 10, and her tits are as big as they can be without being
too big, and her figure is hourglass. She was a virgin before me. Another is just
some random cute factory worker who I dragged out of her mundane job to play
housewife – her I treat with much gentle kindness simply because she treats me
like a king – she dotes on me as her full time job, and does so lovingly. She
encourages me to fuck other girls if she’s on the rag. The perfect little geisha who
needs no whip – the gentlest encouragement spurs her to please.
I’m rambling. If the your girls point is that game needs to be tailored to the girl,
then yes, you don’t need quite as much asshole for each girl. But unless I’m
mistaken, the author is using examples that lead display an attitude – even if the
gestalt of the attitude conveyed is over the top, the hyperbole is an antidote that
is needed to counteract the beta attitude. If a piece of paper has been rolled up
into a tube, to make it flat again you need to roll it in the other direction. You
can’t just press it flat. So too with being beta – you need to swing the pendulum,
for a while, until you can then have the ability to calibrate for individual girls.
And girls, you honestly are the last to know what calibration will work on you.
What you WANT is not the same as what you respond to.
All of the examples that the author gives will send signals that you will respond
sexually too – all of you. The only thing the author doesn’t mention is that for
some girls you also need to counterbalance with a lot of tender intimacy.
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And girls, you honestly have NO idea how much asshole you will tolerate
or that turns you on. NO idea.
You would hate yourself too much if you knew the truth.
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cobragirl
“I am not entirely sure what I’m supposed to do”
Tits or GTFO!
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@itsme
You can tell by cobragirl’s high level of self delusion that her man is a
chumpy as it gets. Pi was but one of the many errors this bitch needs to have
corrected.
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0:00 / 0:00
Sure it’s like finding a diamond on the sidewalk, but it’s possible.
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Just like with evolution and ant colonies and every complex adaptive system in
the universe, human societies work best from the bottom-up. Bottom-up complex
adaptive systems are the most efficient way to get things done. When you start
interfering from the top-down like with monopoly governments, you inevitably
fuck shit up. You should check out “The Machinery of Freedom”. Here’s an
example chapter from the book:
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Libertarian/Machinery_of_Freedom/MofF_Chapter_
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@Begby
I am not saying that you should not use game! You should definitely use
game. It works well. All I am saying is that too much asshole game makes
sensitive-type girls feel horrible, and too much will not work in the long term. I
know Roissy had a post on this before. And when my friends complain that all
guys are assholes, I always tell them that they’re assholes because women like
assholes, and there are plenty of guys out there who would treat them well. But
like you all know, if they don’t acknowledge their true motivations, what can they
do to change?
@Evil Alpha
I actually bought some lingerie on Sunday, haha. But yes, the idea of growing
complacency in marriage is very scary to me, and I am trying to avoid it. I think
reading this blog is very helpful.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/07/russian-students-create-
e_n_754047.html#s152169&title=Front_Page
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And personally I find that the word tantric is misused when we talk of tantric sex,
because it is used outside of the original context of training in non-dual
awareness. What we really usually mean is kundalini sex, or chi-kung sex.
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Unless she is a devoted love slave, chances are she’s not getting proper
calibration aimed at her.
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@Francesca
So your husband is not a jerk or badboy but also not a doormat … Does your
relationship follow the “Marriage Game” model (ie. husband dominates and
exhibits a mix of alpha and beta traits)?
Or does the relationship actually bear some resemblance to the pop-culture ideal
where you share everything, help each other grow etc.?
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Some things on this list such as: “Get drunk without her”, and “Don’t give the
spare key to apartment” are pretty normal. People are too quick to jump into love
without objectively assessing their potential mate’s compatibility with them.
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@xsplat
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Cobragirl,
Because I’d like to wrap my fingers around your neck until your lips turn blue.
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cobragirl
A one-buck pack of Skittles, however, will probably earn you a
blowjob, because I fucking love Skittles.
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@xsplat
In the same way, human selfishness benefits society as a whole:
for example… picture an earthquake or some other disaster… one
entrepreneur realizes he can make money selling bottled water for 10 dollars a
bottle at that disaster area. Other people see that man making money and also
bring tons of bottled water to that area to make money as well. This causes a
huge influx of bottled water… exactly what the disaster area needs… in a few days,
bottled water is no longer scarce and everyone who needs it can get some.
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Rules that are created from the bottom up are sometimes best described in social
terms – social rules. Socialism.
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xsplat on February 2, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Science, I have no idea why you are trying to give examples of supply
and demand versus central control. You also seem to be equating them
with selfish versus non-selfish aims, which is broadly applicable if you
discount that all social interests are interests by special interest groups. You fail to
see that systems have a check and balance – socialism and self interest are two
sides of the same coin – you will never find one without the other.
There can exist no society that does not include socialism. It would lose in war.
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@xsplat
I know you don’t want to admit that you misunderstand, and its bad form
to say “you misunderstand” something, because its only going to make someone
else antagonistic… but if you think social insects are “commies” then you’re
missing something.
You can go off on any deep philosophical route you want to, but that fact is that
there is a very clear difference between real socialism where there is a
monopolistic rule making group, and bottom-up systems where each individual
makes simple choices and those simple actions interact to create a complex
system beneficial to the whole group. One has top-down direction and the other
doesn’t. Ants have no top-down direction. Evolution has no top-down direction.
Flocks of birds and schools of fish have no top-down direction, and they all form
complex systems that look like they are designed.
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xsplat…
the “but you’d lose in a war” argument is an old one and has been
covered by Brad Delong, David Friedman, Stefan Molyneux, and just
about every other ancap thinker/ economist. war is expensive.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/molyneux.php?articleid=8468
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http://www.literotica.com/s/the-good-guy-loses
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Science, if you haven’t noticed that humans are innately socialist, you are
a poor student of human nature. A retarded student, actually.
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@xsplat
maybe I’m too dumb to understand your complex ideas, but i think you
overcomplicate everything you say. And yes, I did use examples of things I’ve
read to make a point, because they usually say things better than I do. Again,
maybe I’m too dumb to have 100% original ideas.
Point is, in a society, would you rather have a voice/vote or the ability to exit? In a
supermarket, you have no voice, you don’t vote on what they have or how the
people treat you, and yet you have more freedom with regards to a supermarket
than you do with regards to your government. Thats because our current
government is a monopoly.
Seasteading or charter cities will show how well anarcho-capitalism works because
it’ll allow people to exit a government they don’t like. You cannot reasonabily exit
your government now since people are rooted to their area.
As Arnold Kling asks “If you lived in North Korea, which would you rather have–
the right to vote or the right to leave?”
I’m arguing for anarcho-capitalism… which is just competitive government. It’s not
anarchy, the world would be the same as it is now, except the services that our
government provides now would be provided by several competitng groups. If we
had real competitive government, no one would be interested in voting, just like
no one is interested in voting at the supermarket. Another quote from Arnold
Kling:
“real freedom is the absence of monopoly.”
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Francesca—
The key is calibration. It will vary somewhat according to the girl. And also
according to whether the guy just wants the bang of a short tempestuous girl
panting fling, or something more durable. It’s good to start with a heavy asshole
balance, generally. But not entirely.
For love affair LTRs, or even MTRs, comfort and kindness and getting her, a real
connection, are also needed. The balance should be on the alpha side, but not
asshole all the time. And yeah Chateau has said this kind of thing as well. But
that’s the side that most betas (though not omegas) can do as second nature.
That’s not what they need to learn. That’s what post feminist American culture
has taught them to do.
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@xsplat
Dude, you’re right on. It’s worthless for women to post here.
Because what they SAY has nothing to do with what they RESPOND to.
They “say” they want a nice guy who’s adorable. And when they get one, and live
with him for “a while,” the next thing they say is, “I want a divorce.”
Your observation that women have NO CLUE what calibration of asshole-ness they
need is dead on. They are the last to know (if ever).
The guy doing the calibrating has EVERY clue. Because usually he’s in bed a lot
more.
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Texting is different than talking. When you text you want to keep it short
and simple and interesting. Nothing worse than a ho hum boring text to
kill the romance
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Q–
First of all, you have to be willing to let her eventually walk away. There’s really no
substitute for that.
There are other women out there just as good, but newer to you and younger, and
probably now that you’re getting some game, also all around better, that you can
get. Don’t break it off if you’re happy with her and the sex is good. Just be willing
to let her do it.
Do an assessment of whether you ever want children and how soon. If the answer
isn’t right away, don’t even consider caving in to her hints.
If her hinting gets frequent, start working on picking up other women. Flirt a lot.
Yeah do it in front of her sometimes too.
Tell her she’s getting annoying with all her hints. You’re not ready to get married
yet – and like Dan said, it’s up to the man to propose. Tell her you’d only consider
getting married, if you wanted to have kids right away.
Tell her you don’t much like marriage these days. It tends to kill passion,
particularly for the woman, after a bit. Marriage sex more often than not sucks
after awhile. Not in every case maybe but that’s strongly the odds. Marriage these
days makes the wife too secure. She’s secure because she gets both his money
and the kids and most often the house if she decides to divorce him; he in
contrast loses all those things.
You need to bone up on just how bad for men divorce usually, is, especially if
there are kids, and/or it’s a long marriage (alimony), or he makes a lot more
money than she does – after she’s married and feels it’s socially perfectly ok for
her to slack on the money side and instead just do what most interests her. Or
stops working if he earns a lot and/or they have kids. Ask her what does a man
today get out of getting married, what with today’s feminist laws? Isn’t it in effect
all rights for the woman and obligations for the man? Tell her women file for about
2.5x as often as men in America these days, and are really behind as much as
90% of the time according to many divorce attorneys.
http://weddedabyss.wordpress.com/
If you’re considering kids soon and marriage, live with her first. Call it, but also
consider it, a tryout. It also will make getting the right kind of prenup a lot easier.
Then when and if you’re ready for kids, tell her that you’d only consider doing it as
a social statement of commitment and for the kids, not as a way of changing the
financial arrangement you’ve had living together. Except for child support (which a
prenup can’t change anyway). I.e. you’d only consider getting married under a
prenup that mimics living together in the event of a divorce.
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violentdog,
didn’t read the whole thing (working) and not a fan of Nietzsche and
master/slave morality crap, but – how exactly having a smaller dick makes you a
good guy?
And more generally, yes there of course are some biology limitations, but
competing with bigger than you cookie cutter porkchop ex-fratboys isn’t that..
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xsplat–
Great analogy.
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read some more of it, crap, wtf is wrong with you dude.
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Well, whatever. I still say the same and i mean it too. I´ve never even been with a
guy who acts that way cause im gone as soon as he starts treating me badly.
When im treated well im sexually active (i want sex every single day), i give
unexpected blowjobs, i wear sexy lingerie and all that. But if im treated badly i
just go away. That if something totally kills my mood for sexual things.
I was in a relationship for 4 years with a nice guy who treated me very well. The
relationship ended for other reasons and had nothing to do with this subject, but
during all those years we had sex daily and i did a lot to please him sexually.
Now ive been with my man for nearly 3 years and we too have sex every day
EXCEPT if we´re arguing. If we say nasty things to each other or treat each other
badly it cuts sex off. So therefore this theory just doesnt work for me. The better
im treated and the happier i am the more there is sex. And that works for both
ways.
So smoke that.
[Editor: Is that what your beta begs you to do once a year on his
birthday?]
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I was just being facetious! It was a cheap throwaway comment at the end of my
post…..I don’t actually believe it’s true.
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And i dont mean that only man should treat me well. Of course i should do the
same thing for them. Its a two way thing.
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Christiana — Love got killed by women’s lust. Let’s face it, about 90% of
all men are simply invisible sexually to women, and women can at best
dole out “Gay BFF” affection in limited amounts to such men. Who they
don’t lust after.
For women, LUST is the first priority. Before they can even love a man, they must
LUST FOR HIM. Completely.
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Francesca
This is true. Actually it’s true of all girls after awhile. The calibration varies though.
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Gmac:
Thanks for the links. I dont have a clue about american women but
Roissy´s list made of Europeans are pretty much true when it comes to me
anyway.
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TED series – study on happiness ..no commitment ..more choices less happiness…
http://eddiemarkets.tumblr.com/post/3057209124/ted-talk-on-why-are-
we-happy-at-least-watch
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Hah! Editor cant take the fact there´s girls like me?
No, my man doesnt need to beg me to do anything and i actually remove the
gerbil from his anus daily without him needing to ask for it.
I love my man and when i love a man i want to remove his rectal gerbil. Plus
rectal gerbil removal turns me on too a lot.
I love rectal gerbil removal. Pity that many of the guys here never seemed to met
a girl who feels the same as me about shit-smeared gerbils shoved up my
boyfriend’s poop chute.
[TMI!]
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Never crossed your mind, dear Editor, that you dont know every single
woman in the world?
[Editor: I don’t need to know the mind of every single woman in the
world to get what I want. I just need to know the minds of the
overwhelming majority of fuckable women. And the overwhelming
majority of fuckable women fall hard for jerkish behavior of the kind
outlined in this post.]
[Are you hot? jpeg only. Otherwise, your stories of dick sucking impress
no one.]
Its quite sad and pathetic that you cant take these comments without turning
them into your sick fantasies.
[Ain’t I a steenker!]
I actually thought that different opinions were allowed too but not in this website
it seems.
[Different opinions are allowed. Stupid, trite, trollish opinions get fucked
with at the editors’ discretion.]
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Sorry now but i dont know how my opinions were stupid or trollish.
People here are discussing about your post and because i seem to be
very different from these women described above i wanted to tell you my
point of view.
I believe most women are something, most American ones anyway. Im just trying
to say not all are.
Yes I hear often im hot. Im fine with the picture but how do i know you dont use it
wrong?
[Editor:
How tall are you?
How much do you weigh?
How old are you?
Which Hollywood celebrity do you most resemble?
On a scale of 1 to 10, and being as honest with yourself as possible, what
do men say you rank?
Do you do anal?
After you answer the above questions, we’ll need to know some pertinent
details about your bf before we can accurately judge not only the veracity
of your claim to prefer niceguys over jerks, but the options which
constrain you in the mating market and may therefore have an influence
over the kinds of jerks available to you.]
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it’s absurd women will do write such inappropriate things thinking the
collapse of societal boundaries has made class and elegance extinct and therefore
unattractive
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@ Jet Tibet
“So your husband is not a jerk or badboy but also not a doormat … Does
your relationship follow the “Marriage Game” model (ie. husband dominates and
exhibits a mix of alpha and beta traits)?
Or does the relationship actually bear some resemblance to the pop-culture ideal
where you share everything, help each other grow etc.?”
I guess it’s a little of both. He’s the dominant one. He works in a high status alpha
male field where he makes a lot of money, and I’m getting a doctorate in a life
science (girly science). I’m fairly intellectual, particularly for a girl (ha), but he is
definitely more intellectual and intelligent in a way that signals that someone is a
fully realized person. I look up to him for his opinions on literature and politics and
interesting blogs, that kind of thing. We like reading and discussing things
together. We have similar tastes in books and movies, and when you’re married
and boring and spend evenings ordering food and watching Netflix, that actually
matters a lot. We like going to concerts and talks and restaurants and randomly
wandering around different areas of the city. I think he’s hot, and I make it a point
to stay thin and keep my hair long and dress in the, for lack of a better
description, ‘high class hipster’ way that he likes. He lets me know that he thinks
I’m unique but calls me out if he thinks I’m being ridiculous.
I don’t know. Someone said that there’s no doubt I’ll hop on the next “Alpha male
dick” that comes along because we’re complacent, but I don’t know if that is true.
I think we’re both aware that relationships require that both individuals remain
actively invested. When I first found the blog, I thought I was impervious to
game, but then I realized that he initially attracted me because he ignored me
and acted aloof when he first met me, instead of trying to get my attention, which
made me totally intrigued. And I think he does continue to game me more than I
realize. But I would imagine that the key to successful “game” is that the woman
doesn’t even know it’s happening, so maybe he’s actually a pro.
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With all due respect, I don’t know who wrote this post and the editor’s
various comments but I wish the Chateau would start identifying the
guest contributors.
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Lover of women:
To the list of questions: 165 cm tall, 57 kg, 25 years old, i do anal, ive been told i
look like mila jovovich (except the nose) but dont know about that cause its hard
to say yourself, you know.
(Not sure why do i answer to this questions but i dont lose anything i guess. :D)
[Editor: We’ll have to assume for the sake of discussion that you aren’t a
fat guy living in your mom’s basement. Given that, this is what we know:
(fucking metric. get with the American program, you eurotwit.)
5’5″ tall.
125 pounds.
21 BMI.
25 years old.
Men say you rank an 8 in looks.
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@Workshy Joe
Spoken like a true sadist or someone who’s stuck at an eighth grade maturity
level, which is basically the same thing.
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@AlphaWalksIntoABar
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black – what you say to your bf may be appropriate ..what you wrote
here publicly doesnt put you in the classy catergory..more ..lol you played
right into the editor’s hands
[Editor: PRECISELY.]
he was not kind ..was not gentle ..in fact rude..you responded..with your sexual
like dislikes and a vivid description designed by him..
when he next suggests you play with yourself and time how how long it takes you
to orgasm .. wait a few minutes before you respond..
ps ..if my woman ever responded anything remotely the way you have ..she’d be
at best punished ..more likely gone
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Francesca–
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lover of women:
I also disagree about playing myself right into editor´s hands and him proving his
point about me.
I never said i dont response or react when a guy is being rude. I just dont
response sexually. Of course stupid comments annoy me but thats the same kind
of feeling id get if my mom or uncle or some stranger on the streets was annoying
me.
i was also describing how i am way before he started to edit my comments. That
was the reason he started it!
Im sad to say you have totally misunderstood me. I dont need attention on some
website since i can get it plenty in real life. My only purpose was to point out that
not all women work the same. It was somebody else than me who couldnt deal
with that.
Ps. My self knowledge is great – so great that i know i love sucking dick.
[Editor: Does your niceguy bf tolerate this classless behavior from you?
The answer to that would be… he’d better!]
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You´re great in turning things the way you want to see them.
[Editor: Actually, I’m great at a lot of things, but I’m really good at
holding up the mirror to your innermost desires. And that’s what really
gnaws at you. That a man halfway across the world could know you
better than you know yourself.]
I never said i dont react or that i couldnt answer some questions asked by a jerk.
I only said that kind of acting dont make me want sex with a guy.
[That’s what every woman tells herself just before the cock slips into the
cunt.]
You proved my point too. You made me annoyed by editing my comments and
calling me a liar. And when a guy makes me annoyed i dont want to sleep with
him.
[Still waiting for you to answer those little questions about your bf.
*tapping foot*]
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@Francesca
I actually bought some lingerie on Sunday, haha. But yes, the idea of
growing complacency in marriage is very scary to me, and I am trying to
avoid it. I think reading this blog is very helpful.
Good for you. But don’t forget that the motivation for buying is as important as
the buying. You are unusually cerebral for a woman so it’s likely you made the
purchase for intellectual reasons, but it’s just as important to buy lingerie for
visceral ones.
Shopping at VS cannot just be about warding off complacency, but also about
warding off other women. I have yet to be in an LTR in which my lady can’t
immediately name a woman who wants to poach me. Sometimes it’s an ex;
sometimes it’s a girl that lives in my complex and sometimes it’s the bartender at
my favorite watering hole.
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My boyfriend isnt always a nice guy. That was the ex of mine. This one
can be a jerk too (same way i can be a bitch)…
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[Editor: No you weren’t, liar. You were waying all along that your
bf is a niceguy, and you would never spread your legs for a jerk. Then you
admitted your bf is a jerk to you. (“sometimes” is chickspeak for “most of
the time”.)
So you proved me right. A guy could get used to this!]
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You should read more carefully. This is what i wrote a long while ago:
“Now ive been with my man for nearly 3 years and we too have sex every
day EXCEPT if we´re arguing. If we say nasty things to each other or treat each
other badly it cuts sex off. So therefore this theory just doesnt work for me. The
better im treated and the happier i am the more there is sex. And that works for
both ways.”
[Editor: I didn’t ask if he treats you badly. I asked if he’s a jerk to you.
There’s a difference, if you’re smart enough to figure it out. A woman will
never admit the jerk she loves “treats her badly”, even if he’s on death
row.
Naturally, and right on cue, you admitted he is a jerk to you. Thus proving
my point that you spread your pussy lips wide for a jerk and not a
niceguy.]
Your point: Act like a jerk – women love that and are more likely to have sex with
you.
My point: That theory doesnt work for me.
Act like a jerk – and i wont have sex with you. Treat me well and i will.
[Your bf acts like a jerk and you have sex with him. You were saying?
(Btw, I think the global readership here at the Chateau needs to hear
more about how lovingly you suck his dick. Details are important, don’t
hold back. Do you use your tongue on the underside? Does he pull out
and splash jizz into your face, or do you take every last droplet into your
mouth and swallow like the sex-crazed little whore you are? Do you let
him clamp your mouth shut when the jizz is sitting on your palate so that
you are forced to swallow it all?
I think your bf would love for you to dish on your sex life with him to an
anonymous readerhsip numbering in the tens of thousands.)]
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With treating badly i mean just arguing about stupid things, saying nasty
things etc. That happens in every relationship so therefore all the guys
are jerks, right?
Even my very nice and kind ex said sometimes something bad to me. I wouldnt
still said he was an asshole and thats why i had sex with him.
[Editor: You dumped your niceguy ex. You fuck your current jerk
boyfriend. Case closed.
You’ve been bested by a superior sentient being. Why don’t you get back
to describing in juicy whorish detail how exactly you suck your
boyfriend’s cock? You have more to offer that way.]
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Yeah you sure are real alpha: deleting comments about a girl who
disagrees with you.
You proved your point right and mine wrong? If so, why do you feel a need to hide
all i write?
[Editor: When your bf orgasms into your face, does his sperm give you
pink eye?]
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Could’ve not let the guy back to their place, not let the guy give her a massage,
said “Get the f*ck off my girlfriend!” when it looked like they were having too
much fun and he could’ve still spoiled the mood. Getting into a fight with the
motherf*cker would’ve helped, too.
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that was written by a woman. tone of voice is female and no guy would reminisce
in such lengthy detail another guy railing his girlfriend.
if the story is true, it’s much more likely that the author is the girl posting as her
cuckolded boyfriend.
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Evil Alpha
Well said.
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@cobragirl
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Science, I really think that you are missing my point about social
structures and human nature. Social structures are not socially created –
they do arise from the bottom up. And out of this bottom up free market
organization arises socialism. Socialism arises inevitably out of the free market.
Socialism is an inherent part of social organization. Not even a Freedom Ship will
get rid of it.
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True, her bf would have to be one masochistic bitchboy otherwise… the author’s
enjoying it WAY too much.
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The fact that many of you seems angry at cobragirl confuses me. Why
the rage? She is not that delusional that she needs a big kick in the head
(if she was, you still had no right to start the name-calling very bravely
through the internet, but whatever, it is a male forum, it’s accepted), she knows
that you and her doesn’t play in the same leauge, so…? I often read here that
women are boooring, naive, delusional, have no clue about the “important
things”; here is one who is none of these things, and you got ANGRY at her. Why?
You are just like the “I Want a Nice Man”- girls, you say that you don’t like drama,
but without it, she’s suddenly a cold-hearted bitch and tomboy.
Wouldn’t you trade SOME irritating feminine traits for some useful male traits in
your woman? She won’t grow balls, y’know.
And probably ultrafeminine girls will go mad with age easier. They never learn how
to resist urges of hormones and emotions – but that is just a guess, probably
some ultafeminine girls grow some brain and personality while getting old.
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Let me add that I’m aware that there are some typically gender-related
stupidities which make the given person likable; adorable, even. I loved
my men together with their “I’m always right” attitude, their uncaring
nature, their madness. But too much is, well, too much.
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funny how she disapeared then black sheep´s adventures showed up.
pure coincidenced
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@SouthernMan
What, there’s no 9 o’clock on pi day? I like cobragirl. I married someone
just like her. She’s right about the sex.
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“funny how she disapeared then black sheep´s adventures showed up.
pure coincidenced”
If your hinting that me and her are the same person you´re mistaken. I never
commented anything here with any other name than this.
Didn´t even read her comments but now you made me interested to see what “I”
wrote.
And must say im quite flattered that you thought we´re the same person since i
think she is native english speaker and im not.
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@Otherzed
“The fact that many of you seems angry at cobragirl confuses me”
You are confused because you are stupid. The answer to why cobragirl catches
hell is obvious, but if you still can’t figure it out please contrast her with Francesca
for the answer.
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Another useful ploy with her pets is to call it ‘cat’ or ‘dog’, never use its
name.
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@SouthernMan
What, there’s no 9 o’clock on pi day?
Good point. If they get married at nine, with vows precicely at 9:27, I’ll give it to
them; otherwise they wait another year.
He’s enough of a man to be banging cobragirl on little more than the promise of
nuptials in the distant future.
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“Do you let him clamp your mouth shut when the jizz is sitting
on your palate so that you are forced to swallow it all?”
Actually, to force a girl to swallow it all you have to (lightly) pinch her nose shut
just after you’ve come in her mouth. This is the voice of experience, btw.
Clumsily clamping her mouth shut with your hands is so thoroughly amateur. I’m
surprised at you, Roissy.
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dragnet–
Dirty talk command her to: “Swallow it all for me slut. Suck me dry and
gulp all my cum down, you delicious slutty sex bitch of mine.”
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And must say im quite flattered that you thought we´re the
same person since i think she is native english speaker and im not.
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Firepower on February 4, 2011 at 2:28 pm
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How do you reconcile “don’t ask questions about her” with the whole
Laconic thing from the other article? I took from that that we encourage
her to gab, asking questions to foment gabbing is out?
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Once again: Never wrote a word here with any other name than this one.
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jalepeno–
Basically being laconic and retaining mystery (and/or being a good bit
unpredictable and changeable) is part of the the attraction (push) side of push-
pull. Her revealing herself to you especially emotionally and personality wise is
part of the attraction, or pull side of the dyad.
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jalepeno–
(Why’s stuff coming up in italics?? I’m not coding for it. Forum glitch.)
See one of my later comments on the recent Chateau thread you’re referencing.
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Dirty talk command her to: “Swallow it all for me slut. Suck me
dry and gulp all my cum down, you delicious slutty sex bitch of
mine.”
“Gulp”?
“Sex bitch”?
“Of mine”?
If you’re ESL with a heavy accent, you get a pass here. Otherwise… let’s just say,
I hope you’re paraphrasing heavily.
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@doug
(Why’s stuff coming up in italics?? I’m not coding for it. Forum glitch.)
seems related to the browser as well. i see italics in internet explorer but not in
opera.
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This is actually something where I need some help, I just don’t know how
to talk the dirty talk.
I’ve been with girls who have been screamers, (sometimes outside of bed too,
hehe, crazy nutjobs and all) and in their case I haven’t had to talk too much. But
my last two GF’s, including my current one haven’t been too vocal, and so there
has been a big silence hanging in the air at times.
My problem is, I only know how to talk the dirty talk from what I’ve seen in porn,
and that generally isn’t the highest quality dirty talk since the girls are all
portrayed as super nympho’s who will drop to their knees at the sound of a fly
unzipping.
so, more examples please? What’s the best sort of dirty talk during foreplay?
When a girl is giving head? During sex, with me on top, or her on top? Et.c.
PS the current GF is the “good girl with an inner bad girl” type, not the outwardly
slutty type.
Thx
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Ok, I regard myself as a little bit feminist. But then again I enjoy being
dominated(A LOT) in bed, and i have recently completely fallen for a guy
like this. Not fallen for, But honestly he was the only thing I wanted.
Personally, I think this guy is trying too hard to be as you say ‘Alpha’, an asshole.
He is also incredibly sadistic, in bed and in general I would say. Its ok, as I love
rough sex, and finding him, has been brilliant.
But I just think playing the games, yh at the start is exciting and sexy… But when
it goes too far.. Its like, whats the point. I can have way fucking better, just as
masculine guys who would not treat me as shit. for eg. kicking me out at 1am
after getting a blowjob! Honestly. It works, he got what he wanted, of course I
still find him sexy. he was trying to convince me so much that he was ‘not a nice
guy’..
BUT. There is a limit, and I know for a fact, that is the end of our infrequent
rendevous. I guess I realise I would be considered above his league, but once the
net was thrown I honestly didnt realise.
I know many many guys that are incredibly sexy, but they would never treat a
woman as bad as this. I think you have to have a hatred of women and a love of
degrading us.
I think the guys that do this, yeah they’re sexy as hell(hypocritical as it seems).
But the fact that you so consiously use these games and rules, shows you’re really
not that great. I do prefer this to the pushover, I used to get my bf to do crazy
things to me in bed because he was nothing like an alpha. But guys – limit – do
show a bit of yourself – dont try to be something that your not – its quite sad.
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itsme on February 7, 2011 at 5:57 pm
lmfao!
‘i completely fell for an asshole….no, wait, i didn’t fall for him but he’s all
that i need’
‘he’s trying too hard to be a sadistic asshole, but finding him has been brilliant’
‘don’t try to be something you’re not, it’s quite sad….even though it works’
‘roissy you hate women and you love to degrade us….(please don’t stop)’
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fixed
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http://scienceblog.com/42507/he-loves-me-he-loves-me-not-women-
are-more-attracted-to-men-whose-feelings-are-unclear/
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This is probably not one of those aspects that works. It does, however, reveal our
human need to worship and our condition in Sin, wanting to BE worshipped.
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The author fails to realise the only women he will get this way are cheap
skanks and prostitutes. ‘Never take her on a dinner date before you’ve
slept with her’?! Not if she has an ounce of self-respect.
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C on March 20, 2011 at 9:46 pm
This is a late post, but I have to comment because girls like cobragirl
never fail to amuse.
I know a ton of self proclaimed nerd girls like her. Seriously, I know a lot.
.5% of them are legitimately cool and do, for the most part, transcend some of
the common logic when it comes to gaming them. These are most commonly the
girls who have exceptionally high IQ’s (Ivy League Level or close) , are very
nice/kind people, and are secure. An extremely rare combination. And even most
of even them like very direct alpha type guys. Be an asshole, to a point, but just
don’t get caught acting outside of your true personality. These girls are sharp.
The other 99.5% percent of nerd girls think that they fall under the .5% exception
listed above, but in fact, are MORE prone to gaming tactics, for the most part,