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SUBJ: TAD 1 OF 2--LEGAL OFFICIAL ON DEFENSE, SECURm ISSUES
SOURCE: HOSCCPI ARGUKENTf I J'Alt'1Y IN RUSSIAN NO II, HAY '2 PP I, 2
TEXT:

/I «INTERVIEW WIm A. 1t0000000OV. DIPU'l'! CHID' OF THB DEPAlmtENT OF

CONSTI'IVllmw. LAW or THE PIISIDENr OF RUSSIA IN CIIAIGI or QUESTIONS
OF SlCURm AND DIFINSI. IY ARGUHENn I Fan CORRESPONDENT A.
UGL&NOV; PUCE .AND DA'II NOr GIVEN: "ON '1'HI mIlD SDATEGIC LINE"»

«'IUT» «IIGIN IOLD»A DICIEE ON 'I'JIE CREATION or A RUSSIAN

ARK! BAS JUST 111M SIGNED. IUT IT WILL IE ICISE TIItE YIT IEFOII ALL
SOLD IDS AND OFFICUS IWlCB UNDER NEW IANNERS AND, PEItRAPS. CJWCE
tJNlFORH. MEAtMlII& 'l'III ARHr LIVES IN THE PIESENT. OUR CORRESPONDENT
A. UGLANOV HET WITH A. 1t0'l'ENl0V. DEPUn CHID' OF 'l'HI' DEPAR'l'KEN'l" or
CONSTIWl'JONAL LAW or 1111 msmEHT OF IUSSIA IN CHAIGE OF QUEmONS
OF SECURITY' AND DEFINSE. «END BOLD»
«UGLANOV» ARE YOU AWAD 11IAT OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE BEGUN TO
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DISPLAY CONCERN IN CONNECTION VI'11I THE REDEPLOYMENT OF FORCES FROM
GDKANY TOWAIJ) '11IEIR BORDERS?
«lCOTENltOV» UNTIL RECENTLY OUR DEFENSE VAS DEPLOYED FULLY
VES'lWARD AND VAS CONSTRUCTED IN ECHELONHENT IN DEP11I. m FIRST
ATI'AClC ECHELON WAS DEPLOYED IN THE GDR, POLAND, CZECHOSLOVAlCIA, AND
HUNGARY. IT HAS NOW PRACTICALLY DISAPPEARED. '11IIS VAS FOLLOWED BY
THE SECOND A1TAClC ECHELON. THIS VAS THE BALTIC. BYELARUS. AND
UlCRAINE. IT ALSO. AS IS lCNOWN, IS BEING WOUND DOWN. THE THIRD VAS ON
THE TERRITORY OF RUSSIA AND VAS HELD IN RESERVE. IT VAS CONTEMPLATED
DEPLOYING IT IN A PERIOD OF THE THREAT OF OR IN THE EVENT OF THE
COKKENCEKENT, OF WAR. WE ARE NOT YET IN A POSITION TO· RECOGNIZE THAT
THE BORDER SHOULD BE LIQUIDATED. AND IT IS PlmCTLY NAnJRAL THAT
THE FORCES WHICH ARE BEING VITHDRAWN ARE BEING DEPLOYED IVENLY
'11IROUGHOUT THE TERRITORY OF THE EUROPEAN PART OF RUSSIA, STARTING
FROtt THE lCOLA PENINSULA. -'
«UGLANOV» IN CONNECTION VI'11I THE FACT THAT THE CAUCASUS BAS
BECOME AN EXPLOSIVE REGION FOR RUSSIA. IS SOKE ARHED BARRIIR ON THE
BORDER OF THE SOUTHERN PART OF RUSSIA AND THE CAUCASUS BEING FORMED?
«lCO'l'ENlCOV» UNDOUBTEDLY. IT IS NOT A QUESTION, 'OF' COURSE. OF THE
PURPOSIVE CREATION OF SOKE MILITARIZED BARRIER. AS YOU' PUT 'IT. THE
FORCES BEING VITHDRAWN FROM THE WEST ARE BEING DEPLOYED MORE OR LESS
EVENLY FROM THE KOLA PENINSULA TO NORTH CAUCASUS. IT IS. THEREFOd,
PERFECTLY NATURAL THAT NEWCOMER UNITS WILL BE DEPLOYED IN STAVROPOL,
DASNODAR IRAY, AND ROSTOV OBWT.
POINT NO: IT IS A FACT THAT THE SITUATION IN THE 'l'RANSCAUCASUS
IS NOT IMPROVING IN THE LlAST. THE FORCES (UNDER RUSSIA' S
--~~~- ·-'-~·-·--~JURISDICTION) STATIONED mERE au--rtf a VERY DIFFICULT POIITION-;--------------· .-..--------~----.--

A'lTEKPTS TO CAPTURE EQUIPMENT AND ARMS AND AlTAClCS ON THE ARK! UNITS
CONTINUE. OUR PEOPLE ARE DYING. AN OFFICER OF OURS DIED QUITE
RECENTLY IN DILISI, AS A RESULT OF WHICH THERE VAS QUITE SERIOUS
UNREST AHONG THE STUDENTS OF AN ACADEMY I OF WHICH BE VAS A GRADUATE.
m QUESTION IS: UNLESS THE UNLAWFUL ACTIONS AGAINST OUR FORCES IN
m TRANSCAUCASUS CEASE, IT VILL,HOST LIKELY, BI NECESSARY 10
VI'11IDRAW 'I1IEtf. NOT TO SIBERIA OR THE FAR EAST t NATUlW.LY. THE
ASSIGNMENTS CONFRONTING 11IEK WOULD BI THE SAKE. THE FORCES VOULD
REMAIN IN THE VICINITY OF THE CAUCASUS.
«UGLANOV» WHEN, ACCORDING 10 YOUR FORECASTS, VILL THE BORDER
FORCES FROH 0'11IER REPUBLICS BE 'l'RANSFERRED.TO "DIE BORDERS BE'lVEEN
TREK jN1) RUSSIA' .
«KOTENKOV» I WOULD LID TO SPECIFY IKHEDIATELY THAT WE ARE NOT
INTERESTED IN RUSSIA HAVING FULL-SCALE, ARKY-PROTECTED BORDEltS ON
OUR TERRITOR!. IT SHOULD NOT BI FORGOTl'IN THAT PRACTICALLY ONE-DIRD
OF '11IE RUSSIAN POPULATION LIVES IN THESE REPUBLICS, AND DRAWING
BORDERS BE'1WDH US IS, AT '11IE LEAST, IttHORAL. AND ICONOttlCALLY
DISADVANTAGEOUS IISIDES. lUI', ON THE OTHER HAND, VI ARE LOSING
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF RUBLES ON ACCOUNT OF THE FACT THAT VI LAClt
FULL-FLEDGED BORDUS.
SO WE ARE CURRENTLY CONFRONTED VIm FOUR TASKS. FIRST. 'DIE
IKKEDIATI ESTABLISHMENT OF FULL-SCALE BORDEltS t GUARDED BY TROOPS AND
WITH CUSTOKS POSTS AND VISA CONTROL, VIm THE BALTIC STATES. IT IS
THE ABSENCE OF SUCH BORDERS WHICH IS CAUSING US THE GREATEST

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ICONOHIC BARK. IT IS BECAUSE OF THE TRANSPARENCY OF THE 10RDERS HERE
THAT WHAT WI COULD OURSELVES BE SELLING OVERSEAS AT WORLD PRICES.
THE BALTS ARE BILLING. AND OBTAINING COLOSSAL PROFIT IlERE, AND WE
ARE LOSING our.
DE BlCCH) TASK: A SOLtTrION OF THE QUESTION WID THE STATES WHICH
HAVE DECIDED ON THE CREATION OF THEIR OWN BORDER FORCES. THESE ARE
PRIMARILY UKRAINE, AZERBAIJAN, AND MOLDOVA. THEY DO NOT GUARAN'I'EE
OBSERVANCE OF COHMON BORDER PRACTICES. AZERBAIJAN, FOR INSTANCE, HAS
ESTABLISHED SIMPLIFIED PASSAGE .ACROSS THE 10RDER WITH IRAN AND
TURDY. MOLDOVA lIAS ESTABLISHED THE SAME CONDITIONS WID ROHANIA. AS
A RESULT THE CITIZENS OF THESE STATES CAN GET TO THE TERRITORY OF
AZERBAIJAN AND MOLDOVA FREELY, WlmOUT ANY PARTICULAR DIFFICULTY.
GIVEN THE COMPLETE ABSENCE OF BORDERS wlm US, THEY iRE HOVING
FURTHER AND DOING AS THEY PLEASE. WE ALREADY HAVE EXAHPLES OF
CITIZENS OF IRAN AND TURKEY HAVING MOVED FREELY A80UND THE TERRITORY
OF THE FORMER USSR AND, TO OUR GREAT REGRET, NOT ALWAYS WID
PEACEFUL PURPOSES. UNLESS THESE STATES CAN GUARANTEE OBSERVANCE OF A
COtIHON BORDER REGUIE, WE HUST DECIDE THE QUESTION OF ITS CLOSURE.
THE mIRD TASK IS RELATIONS WIm THE STATES WHICH. ARE .FORMING
THEIR OWN BORDER FORCES, BUT WICH AGREE TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A
COHHON BORDERS REGIME. THESE ARE lYELARUS AND UZBEKIsTAN. WE HAVE
GOOD ENOUGH RELATIONS WIm THEM, AND, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THEY ARE
PREPARED UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF SOME COHHON COORDINATING BODY TO'
ESTABLISH AND OBSERVE A SINGLE EXTERNAL BORDER REGIME.
AND. FINALLY. THE FOURnl TASK--OUR RELATIONS VI'DI STATES NOT
FORMING THEtR OWN 10RDER FORCES. THESE ARE AT THE PRESINT TItlE
__________ ARKDIIA , KAZAKHSTAN. KYRGYZSTAN, TAJIKISTAN. AND TURlQlENISTAN.
---«UGLANOVY'-HAvE--TACTICltARD OTHER NUCLUR WEAPONS BIEN . ------~-----------------
WITHDRAWN FROM THE TRANSCAUCASUS1 I HAVE INFOlUtATION THAT THEY ARE
STILL TIIEIE. '-
«JtOTENKOV» NO, THESE WEAPONS WERE WITHDRAWN FROM 'DIERE LONG
AGO, LAST YEAR. BUT THERE IS NO QUESTION BUT THAT THEY WERE THERE.
«UGLANOV» YOU ARE AWARE. OF COURSE, THAT IN CRIKEA GENERAL
IUZNETSOV, WHO DISAGREES Wlm HIS DISMISSAL, HAS DECLARED A HUNGER
STRIIE.

/*"'" BEGINNING OF TAlE 002 " " " /

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924C1462& ItOSCOW ARGUHENT1' I F.AJtTf IN RUSSIAN NO 18, KAY 92
PP 1. 2 A HUNGER STRID.
SOURCE: ISOSCGr ARGUtIENTY I F.AlTY IN RUSSIAN NO 18. HAY 92 PP 1, 2
TEXT:

( (lOTENICOV» WE SDtPLt BAVE NO INFLUENCE HERE, UNFOR'J'UNATELY.

ONLY BY VAY or NEGOTIATIONS. BUT FROM THE PURELY IIUH.AN STANDPOINT
GENEJW. IUZNETSOV'S BEHAVIOR CAN ONLY IE WELCOttEJ). WE HAVE
INFOlUtATION TH.AT TIlE QUESTION: ".ARE YOU PREPARED TO rIGHT RUSSIA?"
IS STANDARD AT THE TIME OF OFFICER CERTIFICATION IN UDAINE.
«UGLANOV» AND IS 11IIS QUESTION BEING PUT TO RUSSIAN OFFICERS?
«KOTENKOV» 'DIIS IS PRECISELY THE POINT. .AF1'IR .ALL, IUZNlTSOV IS

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A RUSSIAN OFFICER. IT IS A PROVOCATIVE QllESTION. BUT SUCH ACTIONS
ARE Nar ONLY BEING ADDRESSED TO SPECIFIC PERSONS. mE ORGAN OF mE
UlCRAINIAN NATIONAL ASSEHBLY. UJCRAINSICI OBRI I. WR·ITES AS FOLLOWS
ABOUT 1111 ROLl OF THE ANDREYEV FLAG, WHICH IS SACRED FOR THE RUSSIAN
SAILOR: "FoR 200 YEARS THE ANDREYEV FLAG COVERED UP THE ROT'J'ENNESS
OF THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE. NOW mEY VANT IT TO COVER UP THE CRETINISM OF
THE CIS. ENOUGH I "
BUT. GENERALLY SPEAlCING. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE UKRAINIAN
PEOPLE ARE CAPABLE OF ADOPTING A HOSTILE ATl'ITUDE TOWARD RUSSIA. WE
KAY SPEAK. mEREFORE. OF A WHOLLY NEGLIGIBLE. RECKLESS GROUP OF
UDlaINIAN NATIONALISTS. CHIEFLY OF A WESTERN UKRAINIAN PERSUASION.
AND UNLESS mERE IS A CHANGE IN THE VERY NEAR FtTI'URE IN THE PRESENT
POLICY COURSE. I. BELIEVE TlllaT BIG INTERNAL UPHEAVALS :tWAIT UDAINE.
( (UGLIaNOV» ·ARE CONSCRIPTS BEING DIWTED FOR RUSSIIa FROM O'l1IER
REPUBLICS? i

( (ICOTENICOV» NOT AS YET. AL'11IOUGH AT mE RECENT COUNCIL OF

DEFENSE MINISTERS ON 28-29 APRIL. WHICH WAS HELD IN MOSCOW. IT WAS A
QUEsTION OF· A NUMBER OF CIS STATES BEING PREPARED TO. tWCE THEIR
CONSCRIPTS AVAILABLE FOR SERVICE IN '11IE CIS JOINT ARHaD FORCES, ON
THE lEUlTORY OF RUSSIA INCLUDED. .
«UGUNOV» VILL COSSACK UNITS BE FORKED IN THE SPHERE OF THE DON
~1 .
«ltOTENKOV». 11IERE IS NO FULLY FINISHED CONCEPT OF 11IE
ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPHENT OF 11IE RUSSIAN ARMED FORCES AS YET. A
STRUGGLE OF IDEAS IS UNDER VAY. AND I VOULD NOT CARE TO DWlLLON
THIS. BUT SUCH AN ASPECT OF MILITARY ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPHENT IS
POSSIBLE. IT COULD BE A QUESTION OF PROFESSIONAL RESERVES. vmIN _~____ ._.__~_._________.__
~------ -- 111£ ~1)F--stJCJrK PROFESSIONAL RESERVE I WHOLLY ALIm OF THE
POSSIBILITY OF mE EXISlENCE OF COSSACK UNITS. WI'11I mE OBSERVANCE
OF COSSACE TRADITIONS, SOLE RESPONSIBILITr, FIRtI DISCIPLINE Mm,
POSSIBLY, PAID SERVICE. SUCH A VERSION IS POSSIBLE.
«UGLANOV» AND, FINALLY. RUMORS. PERHAPS, HAVE REACHED HE TO mE
EFFECT THAT UP UNTIL RECENTLY A NUMBER OF TOP SCIENTISTS JW) BEEN
ENLISTED IN A STUDY OF UFO t S AT THE DISPOSAL OF THE tJlNISTRY OF
DEFENSE. I AM TALltING ABot1l' SOME FJtAGHEN'l'S OR WHOLE "ARTICLES,"
WICH ARE BEING UPT SECRET IN HANGARS AND UNDERGOING TESTS.
({ICO'l'ENltOV» WORK IS BEING PERFORHED ON THE GLOBAL ItONITORING OF
SPACE AND 111£ AIR SPACE ON THE TERRITORY OF THE FORtIER SOVIET UNION.
ALL IJNIDENTIFIED FLYINg ·OBJICD ARE RECORDED. ANY OBJECT ENTERING
'DIE FlEW OF VISION OF OUR EARLY VARNING. STATIONS IS, OF COURSE,
tJONlTORID. Bur J HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY OBJECTS BEING STORED Mm
SnJDIED ANYWBIII.

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