Debate ELC

Group members:
Zoë Peels, Joyce Martini, Mare Peeters, Ilse de Kort, Judesa Siregar, Kai-Lin Chang,
Lieke de Vries, Sanne Vos, Gurumithra Chinnathambi, Nova Zaaijer

Content:

➢ Introduction
 ➢ Debate 1:
- Statement
- Research;
- 3 statements (against main statement) supported by facts
- Spie information and comebacks
- Text for in the debate (debate introduction)
- Jury questions and answers
- Logbook
➢ Debate 3:
- Statement
- Research;
- 3 statements (in favour of main statement) supported by facts
- Spie information and comebacks
- Text for in the debate (debate introduction)
- Jury questions and answers
- Logbook
➢ Group reflection

Introduction
We made this debate report for our school subject, ELC. We worked together with a group
consisting of 10 people. Joyce Martini, Zoë Peels, Sanne Vos, Nova Zaaijer, Gurumithra
Chinnathambi, Kai-Lin Chang, Judesa Siregar, Mare Peeters, Lieke de Vries and Ilse de Kort.
In total we had two debates per group containing one for our statement and one against the
statement of a different group. We participated in the first and third debate out of the three
debates held.

During our first debate we went against Mike’s team. We were against the statement “The BLM
movement went too far”. During the first round the team in favour stated their statements and
showed a video supporting their statement. We just stated our statements, we had flashcards
that we would read out of. We weren’t aware that we could use videos or pictures to support our
statements. During the rebuttal round the team in favour had questions about our statements
and sources, and we answered them. We also had questions about the other team’s statements
and sources. Then Deon said something controversial, he said that “The BLM movement will
start a 2nd Civil War.”
During the second lesson we answered the jury’s questions. Then someone in our team said
that violence was necessary, and that changed MR Myers view. The other team answered the
jury’s questions very nicely. So we lost the debate.

For our second debate we had the statement: All policemen/women should protect and not
unlawfully attack civilians. Our group had to defend this statement. Our opponents for the
debate were against it. During the first round of the debate we had flash cards, and we would
read from it, which was sometimes visible. I feel like the rebuttal went better, because we had to
improvise with how to word our comeback even though our spy had already written it down. In
the end we won the debate.

Group reflection
For each debate, we prepared arguments and comebacks on the subject. We divided the work
and everybody had their own role and worked hard. We helped each other whenever someone
asked for help in the groupchat. That was really helpful. We had group calls to discuss our
statements. I think we worked very well as a group. And everybody worked equally as hard.

In our first debate we weren’t prepared well, because we didn’t know what to expect. Our
second debate went way better than our first debate. This time we knew what to expect and
were well prepared. We learned how to do better research and make stronger arguments. It
went better than the first time with how the spies did research and how we then could make
comebacks. We were well prepared for what our oppennets would say. Which made it easier for
us during the debate, we had all our comebacks ready and knew what to say at the right time.

Overall our group was very nice to work with and the teamwork went well.

Roles
Joyce, Zoë and Sanne - Spies
Nova, Kai-Lin, Gurumithra - rewriter/ researcher
Judesa, Mare, Ilse - researcher
Lieke - writing statements and comebacks

Time worked on it/ What they did: (Debate 3)

Lieke; 4 hours, comebacks, arguments, answering jury questions
Sanne; 7 hours and 20 min, Comebacks, Spy facts, Answering the questions.
Zoë; 4 hours; spy work
Nova; around 6 hours, research for the topic, rewriting statements, discussing.
Gurumithra; around 4 hours and 30 minutes, researching for the topic, rewriting statements,
finding information about the video.
Kai-lin; around 4 hours and 30 min; discussing, researching, writing info/researching, preparing
for the debate
Mare; 4 hours, finding arguments/facts
Joyce; 4 hours and 30 min; spy work, answering jury questions
Ilse; 4 hours and 30 minutes, research, writing statements, answering jury questions.
Judesa; 2 hour and 30 minutes; make statements, researching

(our) statement for the 3th debate: All policemen/women should protect
and not unlawfully attack civilians

Questions from the jury:

You are saying that the police should arrest people as a last resort, but wouldn’t
arresting people actually make sense? Because then people would know that there is law
and order and that you would be arrested. What do you want the police to do then?
Imagine there is a burglar stealing something or something worse, Do you expect the
police to just talk it out with them?
 ➢ No of course the policemen don't have to talk it out with them, but what they are doing
right now is harming people without talking with them first. We would like them to talk to
the burglar (in this case) and not shoot them directly, we want them to only shoot when it
is really necessary and needed in case of self-protection. We believe there has to be
some kind of conversation without arresting/harming the suspect. That's the message
that we want to portray with our debate.

You said that the police are trained to save themselves first is there any proof of that?
Does that happen in every police school or only one? And how do you suggest that they
should be trained.

➢ first of all they’re trained to protect themself not save themself. Proof:
https://bangordailynews.com/2011/11/25/news/police-officers-must-protect-themselves-
first-former-fbi-instructor-says/
➢ This part of the police training is given in every police school, it’s part of deadly force
(which police officers train a lot)
➢ The police training should reform their policies to reduce excessive use of force by
reforming their training to focus more on de-escalation tactics. (Currently, training
focuses too much on firearm skills and omits vital exposure to non-lethal weapons and
conflict management) Also, Police officers need to have the necessary training and
knowledge to manage their emotional and physiological reactions, particularly in high
stress situations.

https://iop.harvard.edu/get-involved/harvard-political-review/why-police-training-must-be-
reformed

Daniel Shaver murdered by police? According to you the police murdered him but and
that he didn’t do anything wrong. But wasn’t it his fault that he wasn’t listening to the
police and the police specifically told him to put his hand in the air but he still put his
hands back, (you said that he wanted to pull up his pants, WHY WOULD YOU EVEN DO
THAT WHEN THE POLICE IS IN FRONT OF YOU WITH A GUN?!) Also how do you know
that it is not like he came in your dream to tell you that…

➢ Daniel was instructed to crawl towards the policeman, his pants were sagging and he
thought it was going to fall, that's why he tried to pull it up. This made the police think he
was reaching for a weapon. but the gun that was seen (give example picture) does not fit
into someone's pants. We know he didn’t have a gun because police searched him after
he was shot and he didn’t have any weapons on him so it is not like he was grabbing an
invisible gun, which means that there was no self-protection needed.

Need Sources for:

In your statements paper, you stated that policemen/women are taught to shoot because
the suspect might pull out a gun. Do you have a source for this? A reliable source that
states that this “bad academy training” happens in the majority of academies and not
just one or two?
 ➢ https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/police-gun-shooting-training-
ferguson/383681/
➢ https://www.insider.com/police-training-problems-how-to-fix-experts-2020-6

You say that policemen/women don’t shoot out of anger or hate, but out of fear. Do you
have sources for this? Have more than one policemen/women come forward and
admitted that they shoot out of fear? Enough policemen/women have said that to be able
to say that most policemen/woman feel that way?

➢ https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/police-gun-shooting-training-
ferguson/383681/

Intro: what is our statement, why we stand for it and what’s it about.

Sanne: In this statement we will be explaining why police should only arrest at last resort. We
stand by this statement because there is a lot of police violence going on in the world right now,
which also triggered several protests, including the well known BLM protest which was started
after a civilian called George Floyd was killed by 3 police officers. Unlawful police violence has
to stop!

Nova: there are some rules the police have to follow according to the law: police officers are
NOT allowed to stop and search you on the street just because of your race or because you
look different. However, police officers are allowed to use physical force in self defence but if
the arrest is unlawful the police might have committed unlawful killing or assault.

Gurumithra: Overall, close to 1,000 people are shot to death by police officers in the U.S. alone
every year, according to a database maintained by The Washington Post. We think that the
police use too much violence without any reason, and that has to stop. So in a nutshell, the
police should only use violence only when it is really necessary and according to the law.

Kai-Lin: We would like to show you a video where the victim was shot even though he followed all the
instructions that the police gave him, this is an example of how the police use violence when it was not
necessary. The victim was doing exactly what the police asked him to do and he didn’t pose any threat.
Right before he got shot he moved his hand behind his back which made the police shoot him → he might
have attempted to prevent his shortS from slipping down.
Before all that he invited his friends over to have a drink and then showed them an air rifle that
he uses for his job as a pest exterminator and he was pointing out of the window which made a
wideness called the police. One person left and when the police arrived he ordered them to
listen to what the police told them to do. One man was taken into custody unarmed and Daniel
Shaver(person who had the air rifle) wasn’t taken into custody, then the shooting took place.

An autopsy shows that Daniel Shaver was intoxicated which a blood alcohol level over 3 times
the legal driving limits, this may be why Daniel Shaver was behaving differently in the video.

Joyce: Also, we think that the police should be trained better, they are trained mostly on the
concept of safety to protect their own safety, during their training, for example they are shown
videos of police officers that are attacked or killed, this scares them and they may act as if
everyone they try to arrest will try to kill them .

(https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/scotland/law-and-courts/legal-system-s/police-s/police-
powers-to-stop-and-search-enter-private-property-and-seize-goods-s/)

Statement 1: Arrest is a power of last resort and the police should consider
whether there is a need to do this rather than consider their own convenience. In
such cases it could be wrongful.

➢ In this statement we will be explaining why police should only arrest at last resort. We
stand by this statement because there is a lot of police violence going on in the world
right now. This is happening to all races but unfortunately, mostly people of colour. An
officer is NOT allowed to stop and search you on the street because of your race or
because you look different. A police officer is allowed to use physical force in self
defence but if the arrest is unlawful the police might have committed unlawful killing or
assault. Overall, close to 1,000 people are shot to death by police officers in the U.S.
alone every year, according to a database maintained by The Washington Post.
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/scotland/law-and-courts/legal-system-s/police-s/police-
powers-to-stop-and-search-enter-private-property-and-seize-goods-s/
https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/when-can-the-police-stop-and-frisk-you-on-the-street
https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/07/16/the-research-is-clear-white-people-are-not-
more-likely-than-black-people-to-be-killed-by-police/

Statement 2:
The police should only use violence when it is really necessary.
➢ This video shows how an unarmed man is shot by the police, without getting a chance to
respond to the commands of the police, this is an example of that the police uses too
much violence without any reason, and that has to stop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKN48GBU07E
 ➢ This video shows that the victim was shot even though he followed all the instructions
that the police gave him. This is an example of how the police used violence when it was
not necessary. The victim was doing exactly what the police asked him to do, and he
didn’t pose any threat.
Right before he got shot he moved his hand behind, which made the police shoot him.
Shaver might have attempted to prevent his shorts from slipping down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ooa7wOKHhgv
➢ Background info
Officer philip brailsford shot an unarmed man Daniel shaver in a hotel. Shaver invited
two other people to his room for some drink, and during that moment Shaver showed
them an air rifle he uses for his job as a pest exterminator. At one point the gun was
pointing out a window, which made a witness call the police. One person left, and when
the police arrived he ordered them to listen to what the police told them to do. One man
was taken into custody unharmed but Shaver wasn’t. Then what happened in the video
took place. An autopsy shows that Shaver was intoxicated with a blood alcohol level
over 3 times the legal driving limit. This may be why Shaver was behaving differently.

Statement 3: The way the training of policemen and women go should change.
➢ The police only know how to respond to a call with an arrest or violence.
That there are some many “black” citizens attacked or killed by the police is not because
they are racist or think that black lives don’t matter. It is because of the way they are
trained.
➢ One of the first things they learn when they start their training is the concept of safety.
The training is too focused on this concept. They are shown too many videos of
policemen and women getting attacked or killed. Also they have too many exercises
where they show that hesitation can be fatal. That when a person pulls a gun they can
shoot faster than the policemen and women can react. There is too much focus on this
topic that policemen and women are getting scared.
➢ They most of the time don’t shoot out of anger or hate but out of fear that they got during
their time at the academy. They learned to shoot or attack by the least that happens. For
example when someone\ gets something out of their car. The policemen and women are
being taught to shoot because “maybe the suspect pulls out a gun”. And this is one of
the biggest problems for violence by policemen and women.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/police-gun-shooting-training-
ferguson/383681/
The answer to police violence is not 'reform'. It's defunding. Here's why | Alex S Vitale
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/somalia-bomb-blasts-kill-5-civilians-1-police-officer/1899955
https://www.policemag.com/tags?tag=civilians+helping+officers
https://ab-tc.com/police-officer-attacks-civilians-with-jab-knife-on-the-street-video/
https://apnews.com/article/6cf2774600ca4ef3a517d84a351a2b28
Videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VZS0H-636g&bpctr=1602498250&ab_channel=CBSNews
Work from spies (comebacks):

- Policing Is Doing What It Was Meant to Do! (opinion piece)

Comeback: this is a mistake, not because it underestimates the number of police officers
who are racist - and violent, but because the problem of racist policing is not one of
individual actors. It is a mistake because the role of the police in society must be
understood, not individually but structurally.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/21/opinion/police-violence-racism-reform.html

- The police should attack in order to be able to protect. When people are attacked by
other people the police sometimes need to attack in order to protect people.

→ The primary duty of a police officer is to protect people and property.

https://work.chron.com/obligations-job-duties-police-officers-24841.html#:~:text=The
%20primary%20duty%20of%20a,reports%20in%20a%20timely%20manner

Comeback: This is not the way the police should protect the members of the society.
Instead of attacking they should talk with these people and try to fix this in a peaceful
way, there is no need for the police to directly attack. Also, the police is not in danger, so
they are not allowed to use any violence (when not necessary).

- The police are trained very well, they know what they are doing and they will only attack
when it is really needed. They won’t just attack innocent people.

→ The use of violence by the police is linked to many rules and conditions. For example, force
may only be used if there are no other options. The police are also not allowed to use more
violence than necessary. Under no circumstances should police violence be used as a punishment.
If possible, a warning precedes the use of force. These rules and conditions are described in
the Police Act and the Official Instruction.

https://www.politie.nl/themas/politiegeweld.html

Comeback:

- Instead of the police attacking the civilians, the civilians are attacking the police.
https://www.monitor.co.ug/uganda/news/national/police-warn-civilians-attacking-
disarming-officers-1922108
- Videos showing that civilians attack/kill policeman/woman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34lNF5Sp_GU&ab_channel=USATODAY
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssARbfxqTh0&ab_channel=CNN

Comeback: if civilians attack the police, the police is allowed to use violence to protect
themselves. However this doesn’t mean they can just shoot someone; they are not
allowed to use more violence than necessary.

- Not all civilians are innocent !!! (the police have the right to shoot)
Comeback: I agree that not all civilians who get attacked by the police are innocent,
however this doesn’t mean the police is allowed to use violence. A policeman/woman is
only allowed to use violence if there is no other option left or if the policeman/woman is
in danger. In many cases violence is used while this is not necessary (even if this person
is not innocent). https://www.politie.nl/themas/politiegeweld.html

- If the people are attacking the policemen he is allowed to fight back

Comeback: if the citizen isn't innocent they still aren't allowed to fight back and it
definitely does not give them the right to kill the citizen.
- only if they are attacking the police, and in many cases this doesn’t happen

Floyed was a wanted criminal but that doesn't give the policemen the right to kill him. He
should be locked up and not killed.

- Police that attack people are fired (and go to prison) → consequences for the police officers.

- So when a cop uses deadly force in an officer-involved death, there's a standard criminal
investigation: detectives collect evidence and present it to the local prosecutor. The
prosecutor then determines whether the killing fits the standards in state law for
permissible homicide. If it doesn't, then a crime has been committed, and the
prosecutor's job becomes figuring out which crime it was and whether there's enough
evidence to charge the officer with it.
https://www.vox.com/2014/8/13/5994305/legal-police-lethal-force-murder

Comeback: There are consequences for policy when they use violence but most of the
time these consequences are less worse than when a citizen uses violence. So
policemen/women can come easier away with committing a crime. So they also use
more violence if the consequences are less high for police officers than citizens. And
even if there are consequences is it not a reason to use violence.
Roles
Lieke, Sanne and Zoë - Spies
Nova - Further research
Gurumithra and Kai-lin - Writing sentences more convincing
Mare, Sanne, Joyce, Ilse and Judesa - research

Time worked on it/ What we did: (Debate 1)

Lieke: about 3 hours and 45 min; spy facts, calls, lessons, Whatsapp Group, searching for
statement 1, 2.

Sanne: 8 Hours and 8 min; Half of the spy facts + part of the facts/arguments + Calls +
Whatsapp Group.

Zoë: 5,30 hours: spy facts, calls, preparing for the debate

Nova: 5 hours,: calls + helping with the statements + gathering information for our second
debate + preparation + rewriting some words
Gurumithra: 4 hours 15 min: writing the sentences in a more convincing way + helping with
making the statements (added info for the 3rd statement) + thinking/researching for a better first
statement + wrote information against what the ‘spies’ found out + the calls with the group

Kai-lin: about 5 hours and 30 min: reading through the sources they found and the sentences
they wrote + writing the sentences in a more convincing way + helping with making the
statements + the calls with the group + preparing for the debate

Mare: 5 hours: finding arguments/facts, calls, preparing for the debate

Joyce: about 5 hours and 30 min; making arguments + searching for facts/experiences + calls
with the group + preparing for the debate

Ilse: around 7 hours; making the arguments/finding facts, calls, preparing for the debate,
answering the jury questions and making flashcards.

Judesa: 3 hours 35 min; Calls with our group + comebacks on statements of spies + facts to
support our statements + helping with making statements

Statement against group 1: The BLM movement went too far

1st statement: The BLM movement didn’t go far enough, because discrimination is still
happening too much nowadays and lots of people still think it’s acceptable. This has to stop!!!
( If one house is on fire, and the other one's not, why would you extinguish the one that is not on
fire even though the one that’s on fire clearly needs it. The house that is not on fire represents
white, privileged people that don’t experience discrimination as violent. The house that Is on fire
and is not extinguished, represents POC who still experience violent racism to this day, that is
why they are enraged.)

- Only about 30 percent of discrimination victims report this to the authorities. (they don’t
feel comfortable/safe to report, because some of the police also racist)

https://nltimes.nl/2020/06/10/discrimination-public-structural-problem-netherlands-
human-rights-board

- 28 percent of people experience discrimination in public. The discrimination is based on

their ethnicity - so based on their skin color, ethnic- or national origin, or their spoken
language.
 https://nltimes.nl/2020/06/10/discrimination-public-structural-problem-netherlands-
human-rights-board

- Within the Black Lives Matter movement, there are different groups at work, like the one
Aima is part of in the UK.

Aima says protests can engage with people who happen to see them, but she doesn't
believe the movement's message is reaching people at the top. "There hasn't really been
a lot of direct engagement between the government and a lot of the Black Lives Matter
organisations in this country," she says. "I feel like we are being ignored and we aren't
being directly spoken to."

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-53812576

- When a white person commits a crime against white person, it’s just called a crime; race
isn’t a factor and thats intentional. When people say “Black-on-Black crime” perpetuates
the myth that interarcial violence is specific to the black community. This myth says that
black people are more violent than white people.

- One of the main reasons racism still happens a lot is because all the people who are
discriminating against black people were never told that discrimination is not okay.

2nd statement: The BLM movement should go further in order to reach schools (and parents),
so they can teach more about racism and the history of black people.

- The BLM movement mostly influenced the youth, however, on the other hand the elderly
barely knows about it
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/08/how-americans-view-the-black-lives-
matter-movement/

- Studies have shown that Black history education is often inadequate, superficial, and
misinterpreted.

- In order to help solve the problem, teachers could attend professional development
training, work to promote Black perspectives, and develop curriculums that explore
multiple themes within Black history, King advised. https://www.insider.com/how-to-
improve-how-black-history-is-taught-in-schools-2020-6
- Black history is typically taught in schools through the prism of victimization and
oppression instead of "persistence and resistance," according to Tina Heafner, president
 of the National Council for the Social Studies and a professor of education at the
University of North Carolina at Charlotte.

https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/living/story/teachers-reinventing-black-history-
anti-racism-taught-schools-71450018

- Though slavery is taught in history classes, only 8% of high school seniors could identify
slavery as the central cause of the Civil War, according to research conducted by the
Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) in 2017. And more than half of teachers found
their textbooks inadequate on the topic of slavery.

https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/living/story/teachers-reinventing-black-history-
anti-racism-taught-schools-71450018

- While there have been more efforts by publishers to make textbooks more inclusive and
thorough, the pace of change is slow and often riddled with red tape, differing opinions
and a lack of resources for schools, experts say.

https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/living/story/teachers-reinventing-black-history-
anti-racism-taught-schools-71450018

- Developing empathy, compassion, and a sense of justice at an early age helps kids
grow into adults who want to help make the world a better place. For parents, that often
means taking a deep breath and having those tough conversations about race and
racism. “Regardless of how the conversation begins, parents should be sending the
signal that it’s OK and important to talk about it,” Beneke says. Here’s what the experts
had to say about raising an antiracist child.
 https://www.nationalgeographic.com/family/in-the-news/talking-about-race/

- What parents do need to listen for are any value judgments kids may be unknowingly
placing on those differences, and then gently correct them. “Respond with open, non-
judgmental questions to understand why your child might be making that assumption.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/family/in-the-news/talking-about-race

- 3nd statement: The BLM movement has to go further, because everyone should be
aware of the effect the movement creates and how to stimulate that effect even more
and so the media should show more positive things about the BLM movement (not only
the bad things) to get everyone involved.

- The media only shines light on the more intense protests rather than the peaceful ones.
- There are both pros and cons when it comes to the online and open nature of social
media content, this can cause major impacts to the BLM movement as well.

The disadvantages are mainly misinformation, incoherence and untrue, negative

slacktivism. Misinformation of the media can cause the public to think in the opposite
way of the truth. Incoherence(=which is unclarity to something) can cause confusion and
untrue, negative slacktivism (=which is the practice of supporting a political or social
cause by means such as social media or online petitions, characterized as involving very
little effort or commitment.) working against the BLM movement(=which is the practice of
supporting a political or social cause by means such as social media or online petitions,
characterized as involving very little effort or commitment.)

The prime advantages that social media offered to the Black Lives Matter movement
included resource-mobilization, message framing and coalition-building. Resource-
mobilization……. Message framing……. Coalition-building…….

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338573151_Influence_of_Social_Media_on_th
e_Black_Lives_Matter_Movement/link/5e1dae89458515d2b46acbcd/download

- 43 percent of voters have a positive view of Black Lives Matter, compared with 57
percent who have a negative view of the movement

(idk how we could change ‘voters’ to something clearer. Because this information is
about the people who voted on this website. Idk if we can use this)

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/344985-poll-57-percent-have-negative-view-of-
black-lives-matter-movement
- The vast majority of Black Lives Matter protests—more than 93%—have been peaceful,
according to a new report published Thursday by a nonprofit that researches political
violence and protests across the world.

https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/

- Positive outcomes of the BLM movement that the media doesn’t portray as much.

- Within 10 days of the protest, Minneapolis bans the use of chokeholds.

o https://apnews.com/ce3c4c56b683ae47d26bec1045a35fb7

- George Floyd’s murderer was originally charged with 3rd degree murder. He is now
being charged with 2nd degree murder. The other three officers who stood on scene and did
NOTHING to help Floyd are being charged with aiding and abetting 2nd degree murder.

o https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52969205

- Monuments celebrating confederates are removed in cities in Virginia, Alabama, and

other states.

o https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/09/us/confederate-statues-removed-george-
floyd-trnd/index.html

- Rallies and memorials have been held in cities across Europe, as well as in Mexico,
Canada, Brazil, Australia, and New Zealand.

o Source unknown

- In France, protesters marched holding signs that said "I can't breathe" to signify both the
words of Floyd, and the last words of Adama Traoré, a 24-year-old black man who was
subdued by police officers and gasped the sentence before he died outside Paris in 2016.

o https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53036388

- In Amsterdam, an estimated 10,000 people filled the Dam square on Monday, holding
signs and shouting popular chants like "Black lives matter," and "No justice, no peace."

o https://www.euronews.com/2020/06/10/watch-live-protesters-in-amsterdam-
gather-in-support-of-black-lives-matter-movement

- In Germany, people gathered in multiple locations throughout Berlin to demand justice

for Floyd and fight against police brutality.
 o https://www.euronews.com/2020/06/27/black-lives-matter-hundreds-march-in-
berlin-against-racism

- In Ireland, protesters held a peaceful demonstration outside of Belfast City Hall, and
others gathered outside of the US embassy in Dublin.

- https://www.irishtimes.com/news/black-lives-matter-protest-takes-place-in-
dublin-1.4272820

- In Italy, protesters gathered and marched with signs that said "Stop killing black
people," "Say his name," and "We will not be silent."

o https://www.thelocal.it/20200608/in-photos-italy-black-lives-matter-protests-
racism-police-brutality

- In Spain, people gathered to march and hold up signs throughout Barcelona and
Madrid.

o https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/08/black-lives-matter-
protests-sweep-across-spain-and-the-costa-del-sol/

- In Athens, Greece, protesters took to the streets to collectively hold up a sign that read
"I can't breathe."

o https://greece.greekreporter.com/2020/06/04/protesters-clash-with-police-at-
black-lives-matter-march-in-athens/

- In Brussels, protesters were seen sitting in a peaceful demonstration in front of an opera

house in the center of the city.

o https://www.euronews.com/2020/06/08/10-000-black-lives-matters-protesters-
take-to-streets-of-brussels

- In Denmark, protesters were heard chanting "No justice, no peace!" throughout the
streets of Copenhagen, while others gathered outside the US embassy.

o https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/348821/denmark-tens-of-
thousands-gather-in-copenhagen-for-blm-protest-on-june-7

- In Canada, protesters were also grieving for Regis Korchinski-Paquet, a 29-year-old

black woman who died on Wednesday after falling from her balcony during a police
investigation at her building.

o https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canadian-floyd-anti-racism-rallies-1.5599792
- In New Zealand, roughly 2,000 people marched to the US embassy in Auckland,
chanting and carrying signs demanding justice.

o https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/418971/thousands-of-nzers-march-for-
black-lives-matter

1.
- There is proof that policemen/women killed George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, Tony
McDade and Breonna Taylor with lots of violence, while the black people were unarmed.

https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/a32745051/what-black-lives-matter-means/

2.
- Black people have been 28% of those who were killed by police in 2020 despite being
only 13% of the population. They are 3x more likely to be killed by police than white
people, and they are 1.3x more likely to be unarmed compared to white people. 99% of
killings by police from 2013-2019 have not resulted on officers being charged with a
crime.

https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/

3.
- In 2015, each of the 10 states with the highest percentage of Black residents reported
state and local policing expenditures of more than $230 per resident per year. That’s at
least 328 times more than what each state spends on enforcing anti-discrimination laws.

https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/a32745051/what-black-lives-matter-means/

4.
- More than half of African Americans also report experiencing racial discrimination at
work, from getting interviews at lower rates right on up to pay and promotion disparities.

https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/a32745051/what-black-lives-matter-means/

https://www.stephensons.co.uk/site/individuals/public_law_civil_liberties/police_complain
ts/human_rights_breaches/
Information from spies: (things the other group can use against us)

- The notion of ‘white privilege’ pushed by BLM is, in itself, flatly racist. It crudely claims
a vast group of people has a collective privilege, irrespective of the innocence or guilt of
individuals within that group. Hyper-racialisation of this kind should find no support
from those of us who advocate centre-left economic policies – it weakens our sense of
togethernes.

Comeback:

- White privilege is not the suggestion that white people have never struggled. And
white privilege is not the assumption that everything a white person has accomplished is
unearned. Instead, white privilege should be viewed as a built-in advantage, separate
from one’s level of income or effort.
https://www.tolerance.org/magazine/fall-2018/what-is-white-privilege-really

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/06/17/the-blm-movement-could-not-be-more-wrong/

- Twelve percent of the population in America are black, the rest is White. But 25% of the
people who are killed by police are black wich means that the rest is white. But they
never show the white people that died because of they aren’t important.

Comeback: in comparison more black people were killed than white people.

https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/07/16/the-research-is-clear-white-people-are-not-
more-likely-than-black-people-to-be-killed-by-police/

- The BLM disagrees with many things that have happened in history. They suddenly find
the statues that have to do with this history racism however these statues have been
there for years and they have never been a problem. They destroy and ruin the statues
because she is supposedly racist. You cannot change history anymore, so breaking
statues is of no use, you cannot change history with it!

Comeback:
- The people who are depicted as statues are not good people. Statues are made
for glorifying the person and their ideas. If they did something that promoted
racism in the past, making a statue of them and placing it in a public area also
promotes racism.
- Most of these statues are confederate statues, statues of slaveholders and
Christopher Columbus.
 - Preserving these statues is expensive, tax payers have spent at least 40 million
dollars preserving the confederate statues. This money can be used somewhere
useful.
- https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/style/confederate-statue-columbus-
analysis.html

- Black Lives Matter demonstrations sometimes involve large-scale looting, for example in
Chicago, where some activists committed the large-scale theft of Gucci bags and
expensive Nikes

Comeback:
- For one thing, looters and peaceful protesters aren’t typically the same people.
- Others, meanwhile, see looting as a form of empowerment—a way to reclaim
dignity after decades of abuse at the hands of police and other authorities. “When
you have the ability to gain some of that power back, people take the opportunity
to do so,” Rashawn Ray, a sociologist at the University of Maryland, told me.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/06/why-people-loot/612577/

- People are also more or less forced to speak out for you for the BLM. If you do not
speak out for the BLM, you are automatically against it, according to the BLM. Think of
kneeling during formula 1, max Verstappen was one of the few who did not, but he will
be interviewed about that later. How so? Apparently, you are not allowed to know
yourself. And also kneel during football and basketball games.
Comeback:
- American Football quarterback Colin Kaepernick sat on the bench during the US
national anthem to protest against police brutality and racism in a pre-season
game on 26 August 2016.
- Kaepernick said at the time: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for
a country that oppresses black people and people of colour."
- He discussed his motivations with Nate Boyer, a military veteran and former
National Football League (NFL) player, who advised him to kneel because he
thought it was more "respectful".
- https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53098516

- The BLM really goes too far with some things, such as television series and films that
are no longer shown because it is called racism by the BLM.
- These TV shows probably promote racism, and that’s really bad. Because of
racism, innocent lives are lost.

“slavery has been an institution fort thousand of years, as far as you can trace human history.
We look at it is something that happened to one race of people in one country, when in fact the
spread of it was around the world, so if you’re going to have reparations for slavery, it’s going to
be the greatest transfer of wealth back and forth”
“The number of whites, for example, who were enslaved in North Africa by the Barbary pirates,
exceeded the number of Africans enslaved in the United States and in the American colonies
before that, put together. But nobody is going to North Africa to ask for reparations because
nobody is going to be fool enough to give it to them.”

He doesn’t buy into the BLM, there are always some bad things that policemen/women do and
the must be punished. But he also know that American cops are all racist and neither is the
American society. Growing up in a black neighbourhood steeped in victimhood culture, to a
patriotic American who wants to serve his country. When he went to a majority-white college,
where he was exposed to white people with different cultures for the first time. He did not saw
them as his enemies. But it gave him a new and different perspective of the world.
https://www.thearticle.com/the-black-lives-matter-movement-has-gone-too-far

Jury questions:

Are the riots and the use of violence part of the B.L.M. movement?
The violence is part of some of the protests, but it is not necessarily part of the movement
because the movement is about that racism has to stop and the violence has nothing to do with
that racism has to stop, it is just a way how people show they don’t agree with racism, but that
doesn’t mean it is part of the movement.
Did the violence help/support the movement become bigger?
Yes because if they wouldn’t use violence the media won’t show it because the media only
shows the bad/violent things, and if it is not on the news nobody knows about it and it wouldn’t
be as big as it is now.
If looting and rioting will stop racism, is it okay to keep hurting other people?
no it is not, and hurting other people also has to stop but racism is a very big problem and in
comparison more black people are hurt than white people, so it is more important to first make
sure that racism stops and then look at the other problems and try to solve them.
Why is it that the media shows more of the violent protests than peaceful protests
although there were more peaceful protests?
because peacefull protests are boring to watch, so if they only show the peacefull protests,
nobody will watch it because it looks boring. So they show the violent protests because people
will watch it and the news channels will make more money.

Please show sources for the following arguments:

• “43 percent of voters have a positive view of BLM, compared with 57 percent who have
a negative view of the movement”.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/344985-poll-57-percent-have-negative-view-of-black-
lives-matter-movement
• "in the corona time, more people have been shot than before.” (mentioned by a speaker
in the respond round)
https://www.thetrace.org/2020/05/coronavirus-gun-violence-interruption-street-outreach/amp/