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Someone Knows Something, Season 1 -- First Attempt
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In 1972, five-year-old Adrien McNaughton vanished while on a fishing trip in Eastern Ontario.
Documentarian David Ridgen goes back to the small town he grew up in, searching for answers.
[Footsteps in the snow]
RIDGEN: Ah, it's gotta be -15 up here today. Looks gorgeous, though. Very blue sky. Nice and clear
low sun.
[Music]
RIDGEN: Ah, winter is coming. And up 'till now, three days after Christmas 2015, it's been the
warmest December I can remember in 47 years. But three centimetres of snow has fallen
overnight, and there's another 25 coming. And that will soon make this bush road up to Holmes
Lake that I'm once again walking on impossible except by snowmobile or ATV. At least until spring.
[Wind blowing into the microphone]
MIKE: Morning!
RIDGEN: How you doing?
MIKE: Not too bad!
RIDGEN: I'm David, nice to meet you.
MIKE: I'm Mike.
RIDGEN: Nice to meet you, Mike. Uh, so what we'll do here is...
Mike Grebler has driven up from Ottawa. He's here to help in the next stage of the journey in
trying to find Adrien McNaughton...who mysteriously, 43 years ago at the age of five, disappeared
without a trace from this area.
[Clattering]
RIDGEN: The trees overhanging the bush road are heavy with ice, and they slap the truck as we
drive by.
MIKE: My name's Mike Grebler. I'm uh, retired from the Canadian Coast Guard after about 36
years of service. My background is as a mariner, and part of that, I was also a fleet diver in the
early 80s. I got involved with this just by pure chance about eight or nine years ago when I saw a
posting on one of the diver scuba board, uh...sites. Where they were looking for volunteers to
help train search and rescue dogs. And that kind of perked my interest because I really had no
idea how they-- how you would do something like that. And that's how I ran into Kim.
RIDGEN: Mike's a big guy, with a salt and pepper moustache and sunglasses, and he drives a big
truck filled with scuba gear.
MIKE: ..'cause that's what would get our attention.
RIDGEN: There's five red Remembrance Day poppies pinned on the visor above his head. And like
Kim Cooper, who has also come up today with her dogs, he wears a big red search and rescue
style jacket. And he has a Canadian Coast Guard insignia on his thick wool hat. Mike's a qualified
divemaster, someone who leads and is responsible for all the other divers on a site. And he
projects a kind of amiable authority in everything he does.
RIDGEN: Uh, have you ever done or conducted dives for human remains before?
MIKE: The short answer to that is uh, yes. Um, I've done some actual searches for Kim. And the
people that we're trying to help are-- would be the family members that are remaining. So, when
we do this, out of respect for the family, we do not advertise that we're doing this. Because it
builds a false hope, 'cause what we're doing here is very, very difficult, and our chances of finding
anything are very, very, very low.
[Music]
RIDGEN: I've been worried about building false hope in family members ever since the four
cadaver dogs were here. All of them, independently, made intriguing signals at a location on the
eastern side of Holmes Lake. That's why we're here today.
MIKE: As volunteers, we're not law enforcement, so if we do find something, we obviously treat
this as a crime scene. We-- we mark it. So that police divers can go in and actually do a proper
investigation. We do not, uh, try to remove, touch, disturb anything. That's-- that gets turned over
to the-- to the police. But what I have to do in order to get the police involved...
[Clattering]
MIKE: ..I must be able to describe something that actually makes it worthwhile for them to come
up here.
RIDGEN: We arrive at the parking spot near Homes Lake. Place is covered in snow and it's freezing
cold, but still starkly beautiful.
KIM: So, the lake is just-- just down the road here, 50 metres, so we could just have a walk down
and see the lake.
MIKE: Oh, excellent.
RIDGEN: Kim has brought her dogs, Breeze and Grief, but for now, I have a feeling they'll be just
staying in the truck.
KIM: The dive site's three, 400 metres away, but you can see the lake right here at 50 metres.
MIKE: Oh, okay. Let's go take a look.
RIDGEN: It's a little different than last time we were her, right, Kim?
KIM: Yeah. That is solid white.
RIDGEN: We crunch over the snow at the spot the 1956 black and white Dodge must have been
parked. The one that John Gervais told me he saw on June 12th, 1972, around midday. And it
reminds me that I've done a bit of leg work on that. So, we'll come back to the lake.
Just turning into John Gervais' house. Calabogie, Ontario. I'm going to ask him about the black car.
See if I can get some imagery...that matches with his memory...of what he saw that day, June 12th,
1972.
[Car door opening and closing]
[Door opening]
JOHN: Good day, sir. Come on in.
RIDGEN: How are you? I think I'm a bit early there...
JOHN: That's fine.
RIDGEN: ..I realized as I pulled up. So, I just want to go through a few of these images of the
Dodge. A Dodge '56 black and white. And this-- one of these images could be the car that you saw.
Okay, so I'll just open all of these images. First of all, so Dodge had a Coronet on 50...'56, and it had
the Royal Lancer hard top. And they looked very similar, but basically, the colour combination was
like that. Um, now this is the Lancer. And it has the black...on the underside, and the white on the
top. And you could get the reverse too. You can get black on the top and white on the bottom.
JOHN: I'm sure black bottom, I'm sure.
RIDGEN: You think it was a black bottom?
JOHN: Yeah, black bottom.
RIDGEN: Okay, so more like that one? The lancer?
JOHN: Do you have any '55s in there?
RIDGEN: We can look. '55 didn't seem to have black and white as an option. It would have been an
extra paint job that someone did. Which I don't know would have been something to do back
then, but...
[Music]
RIDGEN: Did the police do this with you?
JOHN: No.
RIDGEN: But did they take you through pictures and stuff and--
JOHN: No. No pictures, nothing, they just took the statement, and wrote it down, and...that was it.
RIDGEN: Never said, "Is this the car you saw?" "Is this the car?"
JOHN: No. No.
RIDGEN: Really? That's kinda-- feel that would be kind of almost elementary.
JOHN: You would think so, yeah. Well, anyway.
RIDGEN: Somewhere, someone will remember a 1956 black and white Dodge. Won't they?
RIDGEN: Back to the winter chill of Holmes Lake.
[Crunching of snow and ice into the water]
MIKE: There we go. Does not look promising.
KIM: Not today, eh?
MIKE: No.
RIDGEN: Mike had planned to do a preliminary suit up and walk about in the shallows with his
scuba gear on, but the ice formation looks like it's getting in the way.
MIKE: You’ve got an inch thickness worth of ice. To break this in and actually do something
productive is not worth it. So, I wouldn't-- I wouldn't go in the water, and I wouldn't send anybody
else into the water today. It's unfortunately...the search is going to wait until Spring. But at least
we can do a little bit of planning.
RIDGEN: Good. Okay, so let's do that. Let's uh...okay, so let's go and then I'll ask some questions...
[Music]
RIDGEN: So, what are we about to go do here?
MIKE: We're gonna take, what, 500 metres?
KIM: Yeah, go walk up to where the dogs had indicated. You can see the lay of the land from there,
and maybe that'll help refine any Spring plans you want to make.
MIKE: Yeah, let's make-- take a couple of pictures so that we can say, okay, you know, datum, start
here.
KIM: Yeah.
RIDGEN: So, what's datum? What does that mean?
MIKE: Well, datum is either, like say, if you're looking for someone, it's the last known position that
either a person or a vessel was seen. And it starts-- become your starting point for a search. In
this case, we don't really have that. Because Adrien disappeared, and no one saw him disappear.
So, what I use as datum is Kim's position that the dogs give her.
KIM: We also have the place last seen. Which is about 150 metres from where the dogs have been
indicating.
RIDGEN: And that's up here. That's just up here. So, let's keep going here. Now, Adrien went
missing June 12th, 1972. They were fishing. He was fishing with his family here. Just up here. And
uh...his dad-- I guess he had tangled his line, or he had gotten weary of fishing, and Adrien was
told to go sit up the hill, and I'll show you where they were. Just over here. So, he was down here.
But spot last seen. Careful here, everybody, it's really slippery. Then he was told to go up the hill.
Went up the hill, and he was seen playing up here with some rocks, kicking some stones. They
turned around, kept fishing. It was between five and 25 minutes that they noticed he was gone
and started yelling.
MIKE: But to search this lake by, like, with divers would take you days. It'd be a phenomenal
amount of logistics that you'd have to pull in here.
RIDGEN: The entire search, 9,000 people including army, and volunteers, and administered
national resources, was two weeks. So, I'm thinking if they searched this lake twice, it couldn't
have taken them that-- they would-- must have done a pretty quick-- pretty quick, like--
[Mike sighs]
MIKE: They searched this lake twice. The OPP says he's not in here. Hopefully he's right.
You know, the only thing that would bring someone like me here is what Kim's dogs have said.
Otherwise, I would put my faith in that-- in the OPP diver who did the search in 1972.
[Footsteps into water]
MIKE: Yeah, that's pretty cold.
RIDGEN: Is it possible that they missed him. Back in 1972, in the lake.
MIKE: I've been in situations where I lose a diver, visually, within a body length, and he's got some
of the brightest lights that you've ever seen. And you lose sight of him. So, we could pass
sometimes within a couple of feet and miss the target. And now it's become more difficult
because we're not even sure exactly what the target looks like anymore. So, what we're looking for
is whatever remains of Adrien still exists. That's been 40 years, plus you gonna have to work your
way around all these trees and debris that's in the water. And the instant you disturb anything,
you're in tea coloured water. That reduces your visibility considerably. I could swim past you and
not see you.
RIDGEN: Okay, well let's go to the datum point...
As we move back to the datum point, where the four dogs made their intriguing displays, I pass a
familiar rock. The pine tree with the plastic string wrapped around it. Over the little creek. There's
the blackened cooking grill on the branch. The charred rocks around the firepit. I'm getting to
know this place now. And I feel like I could come back here, in other circumstances, and stay for a
while. And think about Adrien. The little five-year-old blond boy who went missing here. And that'd
be okay.
MIKE: We can-- I'm trying to picture what attracts a five-year-old boy into the water. Was he, I
don't know, chasing a frog? Okay. I mean, he allegedly disappeared, and not a sound, so how does
that happen? What does the bottom contours in this lake look like? He was in very shallow water,
and then it suddenly drops off. Five-year-old boy, non-swimmer, suddenly find himself in the deep
water. Do you disappear without a sound? And where would you start looking?
[Music]
RIDGEN: I can see the gears working in Mike's head. He wants to get into the water. He wants to
put on his dry suit. The kind that keeps you warmer in cold water. But the ice cannot be broken
easily. He grabs a stout branch and pounds at the lake.
MIKE: You see, if we didn't have the ice problem, and this was datum. And so, it's here and by the
rock outcropping.
KIM: Yeah.
MIKE: I'd get you to put me in just over there.
KIM: At that tree?
MIKE: At that tree.
KIM: Yeah.
MIKE: And not disturb anything here, and then sort of swim in quietly, and just see if there is
anything there.
KIM: Okay.
RIDGEN: So, this area-- this rock is exactly-- all the dogs have landed on this rock, and looked that
way, and smelled that way. And done a quiet sort of [Sniffs] like that. On that rock, in this direction.
This direction here. That way.
MIKE: Yeah.
RIDGEN: Yeah. And that's the way the wind was coming from.
KIM: Yeah. It swings around here a little bit, but yeah.
RIDGEN: And then-- and I think all the dogs had reactions along that coastline over there.
KIM: At different spots. And, of course, we're talking different days. So, the wind's gonna change
ever so slightly from one day to the next. It could change dramatically from one day to the next.
But we had three dogs in here on the one day, on the same day. And on that day, everyone was on
that rock, either indicating or actually out here swimming and biting the water.
MIKE: But that's-- that's how you start formulating a plan. Like, you take what Kim provides, and
you take what, you know, the OPP divers have provided, and-- and you start thinking like a five-
year-old kid, and you kind of go, okay. What-- what could have happened and start there. And in
terms of the information...
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RIDGEN: Go over to this place with this log is, and then I'll talk to you about how many people and
things like that.
KIM: So, I'm guessing that's the log. That's the only one that looks big enough to have walked out
on.
RIDGEN: That's it, in fact.
KIM: And the distance from the rock that we all-- we keep referring to here is only 30 metres max.
25 metres.
MIKE: 30 metres by a hundred metres, okay, start breaking it up. You need, you know, two dive
teams. Okay.
RIDGEN: Yeah, so the dog was probably halfway out on that log right there. Halfway out, yep.
Smelling, tasting.
KIM: It all comes back to where-- where was the wind coming in from? And it's not even the wind
at that moment. In something like this, it's more or less the wind that's been happening for the
past six hours, was the majority, 'cause it's-- it's a build-up of molecules coming in. There's so few
of them coming in. But they...they attach themselves to a tree trunk or to an eddy, and when
enough of them build up, then the dog, you know, it triggers that their um, their alert in their
brain that, "Oh, hold it a sec, I'm picking up that odour here."
RIDGEN: So how long, Mike, do you think it would take to search what you see here, this area?
MIKE: You could spend a day here without blinking with the-- with two dive teams. And you
probably won't get all of it. Because you'll get slowed down by, you know, the trees in the water
and, you know, and visibility. These are things you have to figure out, work around. And you're
also gonna be bogged down with simple logistics. And things that surprise you are like, you put a
diver with all that heavy gear in, into that bottom. I don't know what the bottom's like. I'm
presuming its leaf litter, and silt, and sediment. Suddenly you've got a diver who's standing in his
knees. So how do you get-- now you need someone help get in. It's logistically very demanding.
There's no doubt that these guys in 1972 faced the same bit of misery.
Pat Patterson is the divemaster who conducted the dives in the search for Adrien in 1972.
PAT: You get in the water. It wasn't-- it wasn't a deep lake. If I remember, it was mostly around that
30 feet.
RIDGEN: So, do you always just go right down to near the bottom when you're searching, or do
you still-- sort of do the water column, you know? Like, do you--
PAT: No, on that particular type of dive, we would start at shore, and we just-- not walk in, but as if
you were walking, and gradually make your way down a hill 'till you hit the level of the lake bottom,
you know?
RIDGEN: And just go right across.
PAT: Yeah, yeah. And sometimes, like I say, you might hit a-- a hole which would be 40 feet deep,
but you'd be back up in a minute, or you'd hit the odd place and come up to 20 feet, you know?
RIDGEN: I got Pat on the phone, so Mike and I could ask him questions directly.
Uh, when you went-- walked across the lake with the rope, were you putting your hands in the
muck all the way across?
PAT: On the bottom?
RIDGEN: Yeah.
PAT: Oh, more or less, you know?
RIDGEN: Yeah, okay.
PAT: Ah, you-- 'cause you'd-- you'd get close to bottom, of course, and then you'd shove off, so
you didn't disturb it, otherwise you got clouds around you. I'm going to say you tried to stay a
limit of two to three feet above the bottom type of thing, you know?
MIKE: Did you have a lot of obstructions in there?
PAT: I gotta say, not really. It was fairly clean. Very little weeds in the time. A few little parts of trees
closer to some of the shore, you know? Stuff that had fell-- fallen in, in years prior to that, and
really hadn't rotted away yet. Actually, we saw quite a few trout on the bottom. The lake is going
dead at that time, you know? Seems to me maybe one-- one end of the lake might have been a
little more swampy or something, or weedy.
MIKE: Yeah.
RIDGEN: I was intrigued to hear about the number of times you dove. Two or three times, uh, you
searched Holmes Lake. And you said that the first search happened, and then a week later you
would have done the other search.
PAT: Yeah. And there was upwards of three or four lakes within, say, one to two miles that we'd go
and check too, you know? And then as we're taking a rest, we'll say, "Well, okay. In the morning,
we'll go back up to Holmes, let's do it again.
RIDGEN: Right, I see. So, you would-- you started at Holmes Lake.
PAT: Oh yeah, yeah.
RIDGEN: And you came out and went to other lakes, then came back to Holmes Lake. And then
the timing, when you first hit the water after Adrien disappeared. So, Adrien disappeared June
12th in the evening of 1972. And so, would you have hit the water like June 13th in the morning?
PAT: No, it would be-- it was the next day, but it would be probably more in the, you know, around
noon.
RIDGEN: Okay. So, we'll say you started midday June 13th, then.
PAT: I would say that would be pretty close, yeah.
RIDGEN: Pat's version of the dives conducted in Holmes Lake and the surrounding lakes back in
1972 sounds pretty thorough. But was there room for error in what they did?
So how-- how important is it to understand the history of the case, and the history of the original
dives, and all that stuff? Like, how much research do you have to do before you get into this?
MIKE: As much research as, you can put your hands on. Everything helps. Every shred of
information. Anything that the police divers can provide on, uh, lake bathymetry. The conditions
that they ran into. Obstacles, debris, anything like that is helpful. In the search area, how they
conducted it, what they did. Right down to, for us now, looking at a target. You know, was Adrien--
or what the colour clothes Adrien was wearing?
RIDGEN: Right, right. And we do know that he had a blue quilted jacket on, nylon quilted jacket.
And he had rubber soled shoes. How does a body work in water? Like, how do you...does a body,
like, get-- if it falls in there, is it gonna stay right there, or is it gonna slowly, with wave action, kind
of find the lowest point in the lake? You know, how does that work?
MIKE: If it's a drowning victim, the body will sink. And then after a period of three or four days,
depending on temperature, the body will rise again because the buildup of gas in the body.
RIDGEN: And is there some theory that says that a smaller body may not...may not produce
enough gas to...to rise as much?
MIKE: That could be-- now, we're working well outside of my area of expertise when it comes to
those kinds of, you know, opinions. My task is to go in and to actually find what's there.
RIDGEN: So, when the body sinks, does it find the lowest point until it gets snagged, or--
MIKE: It could get snagged. It'll-- it'll just rest on the bottom. We were looking at bodies from
recent incidents, it'll be comfortably laying there.
RIDGEN: Adrien, if he had fallen in here in a shallow area, it would have had a whole night to kind
of settle more, and more, and more, before people were able to come and look again in the
morning. So, if there was any wave action at all, can we assume that he would move further into
the lake?
MIKE: That's-- that's a possibility.
RIDGEN: Okay. Well, what do we do now?
I don't like being so speculative. But I feel like I have to. Or else nothing makes sense.
What would the timing be then, sort of first melt? Or like, how would you do that?
MIKE: Well, you'd-- I'd-- we don't mind a little bit of ice, as long as it's thin and we can-- we can
break through it.
KIM: Is colder water better for visibility? It lowers the silt or something, yes?
MIKE: Well, it's just less bacteria growth.
KIM: So literally like right after the ice gets in would probably be best for your perspective?
MIKE: Yeah.
KIM: Okay.
RIDGEN: Oh, so visibility is better in cold water?
MIKE: Yeah. Actually, visibility underneath the ice usually is pretty spectacular. But now you're into
a whole other level of risk, to put-- to put people in.
RIDGEN: Okay. All right, well let's uh, let's go. So, I mean, it could be middle of March, 'cause it
does break out.
KIM: It's an El Nino year.
RIDGEN: The ice keeps the wave action to zero, and sediment doesn't stir into the water, which
keeps it clearer. Also, in winter, there's less bacterial action in the cold water, and that improves
visibility too. But we'll still need to wait for Spring thaw.
So, what do we do for the next three or four months?
KIM: Well, now we just think about it nonstop for the next three or four months, and then come
up and check out the lake every second weekend in March until it breaks up.
RIDGEN: We head back to the trucks and leave the unknowns of Holmes Lake under the frozen
ice.
[Truck driving down a road]
MIKE: I would have...I would have liked to have gotten into the water, but it is what it is, right?
Because I know the goals that you and Kim had would be to have a miracle by some fluke, by some
miracle I find something. My goal, which is not that far different, is actually-- we can put together a
plan. You increase the probability of finding something.
RIDGEN: So, would you say, in your estimation, like even if you go in and do this dive in the Spring
and find something, is that conclusive in any way? Or how does--
MIKE: No. No, that's-- that's the hard, hard part. Is that we can go back in the Spring, and we can
do a search again, and take a very disciplined approach, and not find anything, and it still doesn't
mean that Adrien is not there. He could still be there.
[Music]
RIDGEN: This part of the story will have to wait until we can get through that ice.
[Footsteps on ice]
RIDGEN: But we have more to explore on this case before then.
So, we're working on this one being the operative.
JOHN: I would assume so, yes, that one. It's best...you know, it's...and it was black and white. And
parts of that. And a '56. Pretty positive of that too. So that must be the colour combination right
there.
RIDGEN: Were the people that were there hanging around the car? Were they like on it, sitting on
it, or around it, or just anywhere just nearby it?
JOHN: They were nearby it, because their-- their campsite was right there too. We didn't-- we only
stopped two seconds type of thing and walked ahead past them.
RIDGEN: There was a day site, do you think? Or was there a tent?
JOHN: I think there was a tent.
RIDGEN: Do you think they were there just for the day, or was it...
JOHN: No, I would think they were over the weekend type of thing. Because there was a bonfire
and things like that. They weren't there just to fish for an hour or so, they were set up for
camping.
RIDGEN: And so, the fire, there was a fire...
The black and white car, and the people apparently camping around it are important. We'll get an
image similar to the 1956 Dodge Lancer that John Gervais says he saw that day onto our SKS
website, and out through social media. Also, and a bit on a tangent, maybe even a far-fetched one,
I've read of an abduction attempt nearby within a month of Adrien's disappearance. Another
young boy. And yes, the psychics who told the McNaughton family what they thought happened
to Adrien back in 1972. Should they actually be looked at? But as I head back to my home, my mind
movie is still at the bottom of that frozen lake. And I can see myself looking down through the
sheen of ice. And cracking it open with a sledgehammer.
[Ice being cracked]
ANNOUNCER: On the next episode of Someone Knows Something.
VOICE 1: There's other things that still run through my mind. Psychics gave us a bunch of stories.
RIDGEN: What kinds of things did the psychic say?
VOICE 1: Well, there was one lady came from England. She told the whole story, just about the way
it was, was Holmes Lake. She told a story that Adrien had walked away, and there was a guy in
there, and he picked him up.
ANNOUNCER: Visit CBC.ca/sks and click on this week's episode to see a photo of the 1956 Dodge
Lancer similar to the one at Holmes Lake the day Adrien disappeared. Subscribe in iTunes or your
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Someone Knows Something is hosted, written, and produced by David Ridgen. The show is also
produced by Ashley Walters, Sandra Bartlett, Steph Kampf, and executive producer, Arif Noorani.
The Music is by Bob Wiseman. Vocals by Mary Margaret O'Hara and Jess Reimer.
[Singing]
MARY MARGARET O’HARA: I will never stop my love.
I will never sleep.
Something here is precious.
A memory I keep.
I will never stop my love.
I will never, never sleep.
All I want is an answer for this mystery I keep.
[Music]
MARY MARGARET O’HARA: Maybe one day we will all look out on the sun.
And know a light that shines the truth on our loved ones.
[Music]
MARY MARGARET O’HARA: I will never stop my love.
I will never sleep.
Something here is precious.
A memory I keep.
I will never, never stop my love.
I will never sleep.
All I want is an answer for this mystery we keep.
[Music]
MARY MARGARET O’HARA: Maybe one day we will all look out on the sun.
And know a light that shines the truth on our loved ones.
[Music]
MARY MARGARET O’HARA: Oh, oh oh.
[Music]
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7/25/2020 TRANSCRIPT: Someone Knows Something - Season 1, EP 7 | CBC Radio

Someone Knows Something, Season 1 -- First Attempt

VOICE 1: There’s evil living here.

ANNOUNCER: From executive producer Jordan Peele.

VOICE 4: You put together a group of Nazi hunters?

ANNOUNCER: Revenge is righteous.

ANNOUNCER: Al Pacino in his ﬁrst television series.

VOICE 5: Have you had enough?

Because there’s more.

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Only on Amazon Prime Video.

ANNOUNCER: This is a CBC Podcast.

The following program contains mature subject matter.

VOICE 1: You're listening to Someone Knows Something from CBC Radio.

[Footsteps in the snow]

[Wind blowing into the microphone]

RIDGEN: How you doing?

MIKE: Not too bad!

RIDGEN: I'm David, nice to meet you.

MIKE: I'm Mike.

MIKE: ..'cause that's what would get our attention.

MIKE: Oh, excellent.

KIM: Yeah. That is solid white.

[Car door opening and closing]

[Footsteps in the snow]

JOHN: Good day, sir. Come on in.

RIDGEN: How are you? I think I'm a bit early there...

JOHN: That's ﬁne.

JOHN: I'm sure black bottom, I'm sure.

RIDGEN: You think it was a black bottom?

JOHN: Yeah, black bottom.

RIDGEN: Okay, so more like that one? The lancer?

JOHN: Do you have any '55s in there?

RIDGEN: Did the police do this with you?

JOHN: No. No.

JOHN: You would think so, yeah. Well, anyway.

[Footsteps in the snow]

RIDGEN: Back to the winter chill of Holmes Lake.

[Crunching of snow and ice into the water]

MIKE: There we go. Does not look promising.

KIM: Not today, eh?

[Footsteps in the snow]

RIDGEN: So, what are we about to go do here?

MIKE: We're gonna take, what, 500 metres?

RIDGEN: So, what's datum? What does that mean?

[Footsteps into water]

MIKE: Yeah, that's pretty cold.

RIDGEN: Okay, well let's go to the datum point...

MIKE: I'd get you to put me in just over there.

KIM: At that tree?

MIKE: At that tree.

KIM: Yeah. It swings around here a little bit, but yeah.

ANNOUNCER: Good people can ﬁnd themselves in bad situations.

credit rating. And now, it's good enough to get a mortgage.

RIDGEN: That's it, in fact.

RIDGEN: And just go right across.

PAT: On the bottom?

PAT: Oh, more or less, you know?

RIDGEN: Yeah, okay.

MIKE: Did you have a lot of obstructions in there?

PAT: Oh yeah, yeah.

PAT: I would say that would be pretty close, yeah.