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MDchat Transcript March 22 2011
MDchat Transcript March 22 2011
MD_Chat Welcome everyone to #MDchat! A good place to discuss important things in a fun
way. Let's get started by introducing ourselves!
Tue Mar 22 18:00:12 PDT 2011
HospitalPatient Greetings. Michael A. Weiss here. Host of "The Professional Patient Podcast"
#mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:01:36 PDT 2011
thehealthmaven Hi everyone, Lea signing in, hope everyone is doing well #MDchat
Tue Mar 22 18:02:45 PDT 2011
s_eller Susan here from Chicago - Nurse educator using simulation for IPE at med school
#mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:03:42 PDT 2011
apjonas #mdchat Pat Jonas, MD, aka Dr Synonymous a holistic Family Physician in OH
Tue Mar 22 18:04:13 PDT 2011
EinsteinMed David Flores here for the Albert Einstein College of Medicine #MDChat
Tue Mar 22 18:04:35 PDT 2011
MD_Chat OK, we'll start with the first of two topics in a moment. Please prepend responses
with T1, T2, etc. Good luck! #MDchat
Tue Mar 22 18:05:03 PDT 2011
KathyKastner Eveing all...Health blogger, patient education video producer from Toronto #MDChat
Tue Mar 22 18:05:08 PDT 2011
MD_chat T1 Physician Responsibility Online: Whatʼs your duty if a patient pleas online for
help? What about fellow colleague behavior? #MDchat
Tue Mar 22 18:06:02 PDT 2011
s_eller T1 - pleas for help -is this about patient complaint/suit article earlier, or something
different? #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:07:21 PDT 2011
HospitalPatient T1 - As a Chronic Patient, I don't expect my Doc 2 participate on-line as the rules 4
Docs have not yet been defined. #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:08:08 PDT 2011
DrJerath Feel it is ok to be resource, provide guidance, direct pts to credible sources/info, but
direct medical advice in office only. #MDChat
Tue Mar 22 18:08:32 PDT 2011
DrJerath @HospitalPatient There are no rules, but common sense stands for docs and pts.
#MDChat
Tue Mar 22 18:08:58 PDT 2011
scrubdin hello. thuc here, pronounced tuck. founder @scrubdin, site for medical apps
shopping. #MDchat
Tue Mar 22 18:09:04 PDT 2011
HospitalPatient T1 - I do, however, appreciate when my Doc tries to accommodate me in that regard.
No expectations though - at least now. #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:09:17 PDT 2011
apjonas T1 #mdchat I empathize and redirect them to a physician they have a professional
relationship with that's the best way medicine is practiced
Tue Mar 22 18:09:22 PDT 2011
mdstudent31 T1 - My med school class just surveyed - >50% said they witnessed inappropriate
behavior of fellow students on social media #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:09:32 PDT 2011
scrubdin T1: telemedicine is the future. if my patients want it, they can have it. must make sure
not too acute that face-face is more approp #MDchat
Tue Mar 22 18:09:53 PDT 2011
s_eller T1 - if patient asking for medical advice, then would direct to comm channel #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:09:58 PDT 2011
HospitalPatient @DrJerath @HospitalPatient Agreed about Common Sense but sadly I've been
disappointed by Docs in that regard. They seem 2 provide #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:10:10 PDT 2011
DrJerath T1 - as for fellow colleague behavior, that's tougher. I expect colleagues to maintain
professionalism/boundaries, but upto them. #MDChat
Tue Mar 22 18:10:29 PDT 2011
Tue Mar 22 18:10:29 PDT 2011
EOLnavigator T1 must not discuss individual case, but provide general information. #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:11:28 PDT 2011
DrJerath @HospitalPatient But, the patient is the "consumer" so ok for them to help define the
rules & voice expectations to doc. #MDChat
Tue Mar 22 18:12:12 PDT 2011
EinsteinMed T1 @DrJerath @HospitalPatient Is there a case you can think of where you have to
break these rules? #MDChat
Tue Mar 22 18:12:21 PDT 2011
EOLnavigator Boundaries are getting blurred with social media RT @DrJerath: T1 I expect
colleagues to maintain boundaries, but upto them. #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:12:24 PDT 2011
s_eller @DrJerath T1 - but so many of the professionalism issues for colleagues behavior
not defined - boundaries differ amongst individuals #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:13:00 PDT 2011
HospitalPatient @DrJerath @HospitalPatient A very logical point but my reality is SO FAR from that -
& THAT will change as #HCSM becomes more #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:13:23 PDT 2011
HospitalPatient Patient-driven. That will empower #HCSM and HELP Docs provide that Consumer
"Service" #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:13:53 PDT 2011
EOLnavigator A plea for help in the form of a suicide threat should not be ignored however
#mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:14:37 PDT 2011
apjonas T1 #mdchat I'm most bothered by docs vehemently/hatefully railing on all mbrs of the
D,R or T party instead of acceptable discourse.
Tue Mar 22 18:14:42 PDT 2011
EinsteinMed T1 Interesting article on cnet recently on just this topic. Is it the duty of Drs. to correct
misinfo? http://cnet.co/f0P8zR #MDChat
Tue Mar 22 18:14:46 PDT 2011
DrJerath @s_eller @DrJerath Yes, lines are crossed in #HCSM, but feel strongly that doc
needs to maintain ethics and professionalism. #MDChat
Tue Mar 22 18:15:25 PDT 2011
Tue Mar 22 18:15:25 PDT 2011
DrJerath @EOLnavigator @DrJerath Hope docs don't blur boundaries, but all are different.
#MDChat
Tue Mar 22 18:16:35 PDT 2011
HospitalPatient @EOLnavigator I'd hate 2 B a Doc faced w/ a Virtual Suicide Threat/ 2 many folks
want attention & it's not fair 4 Docs #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:16:40 PDT 2011
mdstudent31 @DrJerath @s_eller If physician works in network that has rules, it may be more
than ethics and professionalism - would mean jobs #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:16:55 PDT 2011
s_eller @EinsteinMed David - great link to article about Quora question #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:17:26 PDT 2011
DrJerath @mdstudent31 @DrJerath @s_eller Good point, but many indicate tweets/thoughts
are their own. But, network may still impose rules. #MDChat
Tue Mar 22 18:17:59 PDT 2011
s_eller @mdstudent31 @DrJerath - great point Kevin, my question is: how many
networks/practices have these rules defined so far? #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:18:31 PDT 2011
DrJerath @HospitalPatient @EOLnavigator Difficult and sad scenario for all involved. Not
easy to deal with. #MDChat
Tue Mar 22 18:18:57 PDT 2011
mdstudent31 @s_eller @DrJerath a great question! No idea. Did not help a teacher in a local
school district when blogging #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:19:49 PDT 2011
DrJonathan @DrJerath I agree. It's difficult because the official rules for professionalism and
#hcsm for Drs has not yet been established. #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:20:17 PDT 2011
myevery28days What online resources (including SM) have you found useful in educating patients
about menstrual matters? #MDChat
Tue Mar 22 18:20:31 PDT 2011
MedMarketingCOE Doc & #hcmktg pro speaks about #hcsm Plagiarism http://bit.ly/fTEmno #health20
#mccsm #socpharm #hcsmanz #ehealth #mhealth #ACHE2011 #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:20:47 PDT 2011
DrJonathan I'm still trying to get my hospital to unblock Twitter on its network. Baby steps.
#mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:21:32 PDT 2011
HospitalPatient T1 - Since Docs can't really dispense Specific Advice in SM, that limitation needs 2 B
understood by Patients. #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:21:35 PDT 2011
mdstudent31 @s_eller @DrJerath http://yhoo.it/eFNQij It was all over the news - someone close to
me works in that district, guidelines not clear #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:21:39 PDT 2011
EOLnavigator Won't really become clear until courts make a position statement! RT @DrJonathan:
@DrJerath #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:22:31 PDT 2011
HospitalPatient T1 - Then Docs can use SM to "supplement" the services they provide, e.g.
Preventative Care Suggestions, New Treatments, etc. #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:22:46 PDT 2011
DrJonathan @DrJerath I didn't know that! That's great! I will try to find the link to those #hcsm
standards of professionalism #mdchat.
Tue Mar 22 18:22:50 PDT 2011
mdstudent31 @DrJerath @DrJonathan Even the AMA recommendations leave room for
interpretation by many. Definitely not perfect, but a starting pt #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:23:26 PDT 2011
scrubdin our hospital just got blocked. RT @DrJonathan: Im still trying to get my hospital to
unblock Twitter on its network. Baby steps. #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:23:33 PDT 2011
meducate It's a start! RT @DrJerath: @DrJonathan @DrJerath AMA has some recommended
standards of professionalism for #hcsm. #MDChat
Tue Mar 22 18:23:37 PDT 2011
MedMarketingCOE Why Physician Listings are ALWAYS bad idea http://bit.ly/hOBDcy #health20
#mccsm #socpharm #hcsmanz #ehealth #mhealth #hcsm #mdchat #hcmktg
Tue Mar 22 18:23:51 PDT 2011
s_eller @DrJonathan @DrJerath @mdstudent31 - great that AMA has guidelines, but as I
recall, the guidelines were debated amongst this group #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:24:22 PDT 2011
EinsteinMed T1 Article about new Facebook suicide notification system. Could be help tor Drs. in
these situations. http://bit.ly/gl62tF #MDChat
Tue Mar 22 18:24:47 PDT 2011
DrJonathan I'd love to know who wrote these guidelines. It should be us! #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:24:49 PDT 2011
HospitalPatient T1 - No Rules 4 Patients other than the constrictions of their own preference, e.g.,
Privacy, Work concerns, etc. #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:25:32 PDT 2011
ryanmadanickmd Good evening, sorry I'm late, prob have to lurk a bit here tonight 2ary to WORK...
#mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:25:47 PDT 2011
EOLnavigator Great link. Thx.RT @EinsteinMed: T1 Article about new Facebook suicide
notification system. Could be help http://bit.ly/gl62tF #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:25:52 PDT 2011
KathyKastner +1 (although I'm not an MD) RT @DrJonathan: I'd love to know who wrote these
guidelines. It should be us! #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:26:07 PDT 2011
HospitalPatient T1 - Patient "Credibility" is a MAJOR issue 4 Docs & that's Y #HCSM is a GREAT
Promotional Tool but not sure if it gets past that #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:28:54 PDT 2011
DrJerath @EOLnavigator @EinsteinMed Lives have been saved from twitter suicide threats
already. #MDChat
Tue Mar 22 18:29:23 PDT 2011
MedMarketingCOE 3 social media #hcsm rules: Point to Resources, Build YOUR reputation, Respect
Patient Privacy! #health20 #ehealth #hcsm #mdchat #hcmktg
Tue Mar 22 18:29:28 PDT 2011
HospitalPatient @ryanmadanickmd @HospitalPatient BC 2 many Patients will look 4 ways 2 sue & 2
many Docs will want a Cap on their responsibilities #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:31:55 PDT 2011
mdstudent31 My med school class: 93% have smartphone, 92% a FB page, 15% follow
posts/tweet, 24% use myspace/linkedin/foursquare/blog #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:32:02 PDT 2011
HospitalPatient @ryanmadanickmd @HospitalPatient I wish that weren't the case but I've had
#Crohns Disease 4 25 yrs & been an atty for 20 yrs #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:33:28 PDT 2011
mdstudent31 @s_eller Our communications/IT doc provided that info. We get good ed. re: SM and
technology - but they make students paranoid #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:34:09 PDT 2011
HospitalPatient T2 - Patients who Post Reviews usually have "Extreme" experiences. U must have
thick skin UNLESS they R PATENT LIES that affect #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:34:28 PDT 2011
HospitalPatient T2 - Your Reputation (that's the Patient and Attorney in me speaking) #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:34:53 PDT 2011
EinsteinMed A staple of all online reviews. RT @HospitalPatient: T2 - Patients who Post Reviews
usually have "Extreme" experiences. ... #MDChat
Tue Mar 22 18:36:49 PDT 2011
EOLnavigator T2: Have to learn to accept neg feedback in a public forum. There are online
solutions #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:36:53 PDT 2011
mdstudent31 T2: Celebs, athletes, other pros in media - usually extremes. Similar to movie
reviews? I usually like movies w/ bad reviews :) #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:37:05 PDT 2011
DrJerath @MD_Chat Oh, geez! Sounds like doc is being overly sensitive and family lacks
understanding. Lose-Lose for both sides. #MDChat
Tue Mar 22 18:37:34 PDT 2011
HospitalPatient @EOLnavigator EXACTLY. It's like cos who advertise on-line. They must expect
wacky comments - otherwise - find another medium #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:38:04 PDT 2011
RyanMadanickMD T2: Maybe AMA and other groups can help, get involved in decreasing "publication"
bias of negative reports?? #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:39:06 PDT 2011
scrubdin T2: gotta take the bad with the good. continue to be professional & respond w/tact
even in the face of negativity #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:39:30 PDT 2011
KathyKastner T2 FWIW, past life was on-camera reporter. Lots of comments. Lots stupid, some
hurtful. Some insight. lots of tears and tequila) #MDchat
Tue Mar 22 18:39:43 PDT 2011
HospitalPatient @MediBabble I disagree. SM levels the playing field & it will make Doc's more
efficient/effective 'cause Patients R now "informed" #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:40:47 PDT 2011
EinsteinMed T2 Good piece on the power of docs encouraging positive reviews from @kevinmd
http://bit.ly/e8Hocd #MDChat
Tue Mar 22 18:41:07 PDT 2011
DrJerath Feel if doc is compassionate, diligent, uses best judgement & helps educate, inform,
& empower pts, reviews will always be positive. #MDChat
Tue Mar 22 18:41:17 PDT 2011
ryanmadanickmd T2: diff between docs and public figures is that docs (most) didn't/don't enter med to
be in the spotlight... #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:41:17 PDT 2011
s_eller T2 Family criticism may be extreme, but may not feel they have other avenues for pt
s_eller T2 Family criticism may be extreme, but may not feel they have other avenues for pt
advocacy. Suing on part of MD seems extreme too #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:41:32 PDT 2011
RyanMadanickMD T2: ...so we are not prepared for public comment #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:41:41 PDT 2011
DrDave01 “@scrubdin: hello. thuc here, pronounced tuck. founder @scrubdin, site for medical
apps shopping. #MDchat” Dr Thuc is a force 4 good!
Tue Mar 22 18:41:44 PDT 2011
mdstudent31 T2 - As w/ athletes, etc. - physicians can use bad reviews as motivation to improve
practice? #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:41:48 PDT 2011
MediBabble #MDchat T2: SM comments are only individual votes in a sea of commentary. More
reason for us to be active in SM to generate positive feedbck
Tue Mar 22 18:42:16 PDT 2011
s_eller @DrJerath I like your thoughts - but not sure that even if MD does his/her best that
reviews will always be postitive - human nature #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:42:18 PDT 2011
EOLnavigator Don't have PR training either. RT @ryanmadanickmd: T2: diff between docs & public
figures is that docs didnt enter med 2B #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:42:39 PDT 2011
EinsteinMed Been there - in print :) RT @KathyKastner: T2 past life on-camera reporter. Lots of
comments. Lots stupid, some hurtful... #MDChat
Tue Mar 22 18:42:49 PDT 2011
RyanMadanickMD T2: we are used to constructive, not destructive feedback (at least in academic med)
#mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:42:51 PDT 2011
HospitalPatient T2 - Now that Patients can compare experiences w/ other Patients about Docs - it
will "refine" the "transactions" b/n Doc & Patient #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:42:54 PDT 2011
RyanMadanickMD @EOLnavigator very true, and many of us are not good at business either, this is
new venue #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:43:35 PDT 2011
T2: Has Anyone here used Reputation Defender? Or looked into it? #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:44:20 PDT 2011
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apjonas T2 Hospitalists initially got neg FB d/t bailout of primary care docs from hosp. They
got better w/time & practice w/customer sat #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:46:02 PDT 2011
RyanMadanickMD @DrJerath I hear about it on radio on my way to work, apparently helps protect and
monitor your image online #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:46:31 PDT 2011
EOLnavigator One of the online tools available is 2 bury neg in a sea of pos.RT @DrJerath: RT
@MediBabble SM individual votes in a sea #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:47:06 PDT 2011
apjonas @RyanMadanickMD I recall at OSU 20% of students ranted a bit in faculty eval.
South must be cooler #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:47:19 PDT 2011
RyanMadanickMD @mdstudent31 @Flavio_Metz @EinsteinMed this is V true; most acad med docs
have no training in giving appropriate feedback #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:47:30 PDT 2011
HospitalPatient It is nice 2 see young Docs interested in being so available 2 Patients in SM.
#mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:47:39 PDT 2011
s_eller @mdstudent31 @Flavio_Metz @EinsteinMed @ryanmadanickmd I have to agree,
have seen some very destructive feedback in academic med #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:47:49 PDT 2011
RyanMadanickMD T2: OK, novel idea Best defense against negative reviews is to BE VERY GOOD at
interpersonal skills/communication and Patient care!! #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:48:39 PDT 2011
HospitalPatient T2 - 1 of the probs 4 Docs is that they R "Accountable" on a variety of levels &
participating in SM adds even more - possibly. #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:49:14 PDT 2011
RyanMadanickMD T2: Does anyone encourage their patients to post positive reviews (a la EBay)?
#mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:51:03 PDT 2011
HospitalPatient @DrJerath @HospitalPatient Yes - but some patients will be unrealistic in what they
expect. #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:51:18 PDT 2011
KathyKastner Am I the only one whose heard a bad review about an md I'd give a great review to?
My sister doesn't like my GP. I adore my GP.#MDchat
Tue Mar 22 18:52:32 PDT 2011
HospitalPatient Gotta edit my Podcast. Thx 4 a cool conversation. I have HOPE 4 Docs of the Future
:) Speak next week. Good Health 2 all. #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:53:44 PDT 2011
mdstudent31 @KathyKastner Maybe they should provide M-B personality types in reviews - that
may be more helpful than user reviews #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:53:46 PDT 2011
MedSavingsDoc I wish I had been available to participate in #mdchat tonight. Maybe next week.
Tue Mar 22 18:55:50 PDT 2011
RyanMadanickMD @s_eller #Pendleton rules: 1. what they think went well; 2. what u think went well...
#mdchat
Tue Mar 22 18:56:19 PDT 2011
DrJerath LOL RT @mdstudent31: @KathyKastner Maybe should provide M-B personality
types in reviews - that may b more helpful than user reviews #MDChat
Tue Mar 22 18:56:24 PDT 2011
healthpolicygrp Professionalism & intelligent, thoughtful feedback and action emerge from *Within*.
Leadership. Integrity. Compassion. Character. #MDChat
Tue Mar 22 18:58:53 PDT 2011
apjonas #mdchat Hire a reputation mgr/trainer if U wish but keep pt care first no matter what
your ratings. Avoid phonies who try 2 please everyone.
Tue Mar 22 19:00:12 PDT 2011
KathyKastner M-B? @mdstudent31: @KathyKastner Maybe they should provide M-B personality
types in reviews - #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 19:00:14 PDT 2011
PhilBaumann I"m always amazed at the way #MDchat looks like a flock of birds - so cool, so
supple. Totally awesome to moderate! Cheers!
Tue Mar 22 19:00:30 PDT 2011
s_eller Good night all - but feel honor bound to say: see one, simulate many, teach to
mastery is closer to my heart. #mdchat
Tue Mar 22 19:00:55 PDT 2011
KathyKastner AH! OK. TY and ..LOLRT @mdstudent31: @KathyKastner Myers Briggs #mdchat
KathyKastner Tue Mar 22 19:01:44 PDT 2011