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15 Walk-through
Choice walk-through by: Mordred93
The intent of this guide is to get you the most points with the
girls, but is primarily a Carol run-through. There are alternate
dialog trees throughout the game, however this walk-through will give
you the most points, and probably be more useful in the future as the
game develops. If you want to see it all, play the game with the
“bad” choices, in an alternate save, to see what happens in those
dialog trees. This Developer does a lot of work with the dialog, and
lots of changes to the dialog occur if you make particular choices.
As you go through the game, some choices will give you one or all of
these things; Points, Alternate Dialog, and Additional Dialog.
Trust: This is earned by being honest with each girl about your
situation. The more you treat her like an adult, the more she trusts
you. Often, the decisions that earn Trust also earns Nerve. Trust
points will impact future conversations and actions.
Alternate Dialog: Dialog that is different, and you wont get to see
any other way unless you make this choice. An example of this might
be if see the bandits in CH4 instead of going bra shopping. Later
you will have an internal dialog when you see them on the street at
night and you will be able to identify them since you saw them
earlier in the day.
"Fess up.":
Trust +1, Love +1
"Don't admit to anything.":
Trust -1
"It's okay.":
Correct Choice
"It looks great":
No Points Awarded
You get a choice of outfits to wear home after this scene. It really
doesn’t matter you just get different random renders back home with
Carol wearing what you picked. Pick what you like.
You are now going to start an event, which starts with two choices
(left/right) which one way gets you more points, but the other may be
more important in the future (don’t know yet).
This is a series event where you are drinking with Carol. One way
gives you more points, the other lets you just go and jerk off (which
you will do anyway)
"Fondle her.":
You grope her, Additional Dialog
“No, it’s not safe.":
You don’t grope her, Alternate Dialog
At this point you can have sex with Carol. The next section tells
you how to get the most bang for your buck. You cannot do an
infinite loop, so only pick Finger and Oral Sex one time (one run
through of each option), and then go on to the next. If she gets off
3 times (Oral, Fingering, Sex), there is an additional Love point +1
and additional dialog. So make her happy and make her cum a lot :)
"Finger her.":
If you pick this you will finger Carol, then have the
option to go down on her. You will get
additional/alternate dialog along the way to match the
choice pairing.
If you Go Down on Carol, and haven’t fingered her first, you get this
choice:
"Move on to fingering her.":
Best choice as you get her off again, and can get an
additional Love point after you have sex.
"Make love to her.":
You have sex, but she doesn’t get off 3 times, and less
Love points for you
If you Fingered Carol, and haven’t Gone Down on her first, you get
this choice:
"Go down on her.":
Best choice as you get her off again, and can get an
additional Love point after you have sex.
"Make love to her":
You have Sex, but she doesn’t get off 3 times, and less
Love points for you
At this point you have sex, you get Love +1 and Sex +1 (used later
for alternate/additional dialog). If Carol got off 3 times, you get
an additional Love +1
You are given one of three options. They are separate scenes and
have different outcomes, and nested options. There is a flag set
about Naomi’s Guilt which can add additional dialog later. Remember,
the more gunshots (IE. loud) you create, the more infected that come.
Also later in the game – the more gunshots you shoot – the more the
bad things happen to your neighborhood.
"Yes.":
Alternate Dialog and Carol Trust +1, Carol Nerve +1
"No (lie).":
Alternate Dialog and Carol Nerve +1
You will now play a game of truth or dare (but mostly truth). Carol
and Naomi each have 4 questions, which you can pick in any order (no
difference, no points, etc). There are some questions you cannot ask
(only 6 rounds). Again it doesn’t matter in terms of points which
questions you ask (Naomi or Carols, etc.)
One Round – Carol will ask: "Okay .. uh .. What was the kinkiest
thing you ever did with Lori?"
"Incest Play":
This sets your preferred kink to Incest Play (Calling you
daddy during sex)
"Schoolgirl Play":
This sets your preferred kink to School Girl. You can get
cool school girl sex later in the game (IE. Chapter 12)
"Butt Stuff":
This sets your preferred kink to Anal Play
"Nothing":
This sets your preferred kink to none
One Round Naomi will ask: "Okay .. [player_name]? Have you ever liked
someone older than you?"
"Yes.":
Makes no Difference, Alternate Dialog
"No.":
Makes no Difference, Alternate Dialog
Round Six comes and you get to pick 1 person to ask a question to.
"Ask Carol a question.":
Naomi asks the MC about the length of his hair and Carol Love +1
"Ask Naomi a question.":
Naomi asks Carol about the first time she masturbated and Naomi
Love +1
If you didn’t move the body – you get a ton of nested choices which
you can get a few points for each girl.
"Be honest with them.":
You tell them about the body, get Naomi Love/Nerve +1 and Carol
Love/Nerve +1. You also get alternate dialog.
"Come clean.":
You get alternate dialog
"Tell Carol a half-truth.":
You lie to Carol and get Carol Trust -1
"Fudge the truth.":
You get alternate dialog and lie to them. You get Carol Trust -
1, Carol Nerve +1, Naomi Nerve +1.
If you moved the body – you get no points and alternate dialog.
If you have Naomi Nerve >=3 you get an additional scene with choices
(You should get it if you follow this guide)
"Bring it up":
Additional Dialog and if Carol Trust >=5
"Put a hand on her shoulder.":
Alternate Dialog and Naomi Trust +1
"Maybe not.":
Alternate Dialog
"Put it off for tonight":
Alternate Dialog
If you talked about moving to a new place, the girls are less scared
when you leave to hunt for new housing. No points are give/taken but
it leads to different conversations based on talking to the girls the
night before.
If Naomi flashed her boobs to you in the previous chapter (7) you get
this choice:
You get 1 in a series of scenes based on your love points for each of
the girls. Each one is a different.
"Check up on Carol":
You check on Carol and calm her down by fingering her, get Carol
Nerve -1
"See what Naomi is doing":
You can watch Naomi masturbate, then do the Carol Path.
"Continue with Carol"
You get Carol off, you can then do the Naomi path.
"Head onto the kitchen":
You don’t get to see any sexy with the girls and just go to
dinner.
Part 2
Note: I noticed during Part 2 that more and more choices are not
“right and wrong” but you are “Choosing your own adventure”. You
pick one girl or the other, or other things so there are not as many
clear cut choices (thus a lot of gold colored choices).
If your Carol Trust is >= 4 you get some happy time with Carol which
leads to the following choices:
"Pull out.":
Alternate Dialog
"Cum inside.":
Alternate Dialog, and the game remembers your choice to cream-
pie (possibly for future ramifications)
If your Carol Trust is < 4 your very presence angers Carol, get Carol
Love -1, and will get no happy time in the showers, and some other
passive/aggressive dialog about the MC throughout the chapter.
"Maybe.":
Alternate Dialog
"Probably not.":
Alternate Dialog
"Check on Carol":
Carol Nerve -1, the game remembers your choice, you sleep with
Carol and provides alternate dialog.
"Check on Naomi":
Naomi Nerve -1, the game remembers your choice, you sleep with
Naomi, and proves alternate dialog
End of Chapter 9
"Tell them everything.":
Carol Trust +1, Carol Nerve +1, Naomi Nerve +2 and Alternate
Dialog and lots of Additional Dialog throughout the chapter
"Wait until you're alone with Carol.":
Carol Nerve +1, Naomi Nerve +1 and Alternate Dialog and
Additional Dialog throughout the chapter
"I'm not sure how I feel, yet.":
Alternate Dialog later in Chapter
"I don't know that I could cheat on you.":
Alternate Dialog later in Chapter
"I'm not entirely opposed, I guess.":
Alternate Dialog later in Chapter
End of Chapter 10
"Maybe, but we should be careful.":
Alternate Dialog, Naomi Nerve +1
"Nothing to worry about.":
Alternate Dialog, Naomi Nerve -1
"Back away.":
"Go for your pistol":
Alternate Dialog
"Dodge back":
Injured Ribs, Alternate Dialog
If Carol Nerve <= 6 she kills Chaz, otherwise it is Naomi
"Whip the shotgun around.":
Game Over
You can only get this if you have had sex with Naomi in Chapter 10
and 11, and the MC has injured ribs from your fight in the gymnasium.
End of Chapter 11
There are a few places where you have a series of conversations and
if you get enough points, you will get some points with girls.
I have the math laid out after the section:
"Be stern.":
Alternate Dialog
"Let her off the hook.":
Alternate Dialog, Sydney Trust +1, Sydney Nerve -1
"Nah, we didn't.":
Alternate Dialog
"Oh, yeah.":
Alternate Dialog
The next section that gives you points with Sydney if you pick the
right choices:
If in Chapter 3 you got a bloody shirt at the lingerie store, you get
the first option, otherwise you get just the last 2:
"Tell her about your own experience.":
Alternate Dialog, Sydney talking point +1, Sydney Nerve +1
"Tell her about Carol.":
Alternate Dialog, Sydney talking point +1, Sydney Nerve +1
"Nothing. Just curious.":
Alternate Dialog, Sydney Trust -1
"Sure thing. Drop a line, just to let us know you're okay, all
right?":
Alternate Dialog, Sydney talking point +1
"Yeah, later.":
Alternate Dialog
"Yes.":
Naomi Nerve -1
"No.":
Naomi Trust +1
"Better not.":
Alternate Dialog
"Offer her one.":
Alternate Dialog, Sydney Nerve +1, Sydney Trust +1
The next choice is a biggie. You basically have three choices. Have
sex with Naomi, Carol, or neither. When you pick a girl (or
neither), you still see the other girl and talk, but just no sex with
the other one. If you picked schoolgirl as your kink you selected
during the truth or date game in Chapter 7, it will play out if you
pick Carol.
End of Chapter 12
I cannot emphasize how many details are in this game, and my walk-
through will not address them all. Like for example, for almost
every choice, there are changes in dialog throughout the game based
on the choices you made. Another example, is if you picked Naomi in
Chapter 12 to have sex with, you get a nice little scene where she
takes a pregnancy test, and have additional dialog if you chose her
again in Chapter 13.
"Let me see if I can get that door in the locker room open (Naomi).":
Sex with Naomi, Naomi Sex +1, Naomi Love +1, Carol Love -1,
Sydney catches you, and leads to Alternate Dialog later. If you
chose this, and chose Naomi in chapter 12, Sydney will only know
about MC and Naomi.
"Cum on her face.":
Alternate Dialog and Pictures
"Cum on her breasts.":
Alternate Dialog and Pictures
If you told Naomi she can explore being Bi, she will have a scene
with Sydney here. Otherwise you will get a small apology for a prank
earlier in the Chapter and move along. If you are going the Bi route
with Naomi – you will see the following:
"Want to continue?":
You watch Naomi have sex with Sydney
"See what [player_name]'s up to (scene end)":
You go back to the main path of the game, no sexy time.
At this point Sydney and Naomi have a heart to heart. Sydney asks
questions about the relationships between the girls and the MC.
Sydney can know nothing about the girls and the MC (depending on
choices in Chapter 12 and 13), about Naomi, or about both Carol and
Naomi fucking the MC. I have highlighted the choices in the WT. If
Sydney likes MC > 1, a flag is set that she will ask the MC for some
sexy time (in a later chapter, as not in Ch 13)
End of Chapter 13
If you have had sex with Naomi 3 times, you get a small scene where
you can get this choice (otherwise, you get just the vanilla scene):
"Slap her butt.":
Naomi Love +1, Alternate dialog
"Don't.":
Alternate Dialog
If Sydney only knows about Carol you get a dialog and the following
choice:
"I don't know, yet.":
Carol Nerve + 1, Alternate Dialog
"I'll probably shoot her down":
Alternate Dialog
"Abstain":
Alternate Dialog
"Vote aye":
Sydney Like +1, Carol Love +1, Naomi Love +1, Alternate Dialog
If Sydney knows about both Carol and Sydney you have a conversation
where if Naomi is Bi, and you have less than 2 Sydney like, you get
the following choice:
"I care very deeply for both of them.":
Alternate Dialog
"We're making the best of our situation.":
Sydney Trust -1, Alternate Dialog
If Sydney and Naomi did the deed, you get the following choice.
"She's a big girl.":
Alternate Dialog and Sydney Like +1
"I hope you aren't stringing her along.":
Alternate Dialog and Sydney Nerve +1
"Knock again.":
Sydney Nerve +1, Alternate Dialog
"Leave.":
Alternate Dialog
If Naomi is Bi, and Sydney has asked about Carol in Chapter 13, and
Sydney’s like is 3+, you can have sexy time with Sydney.
"Stay.":
You spend the night and have morning sex with Sydney, Sydney
Like +1, Carol Love -1
"I should get back.":
You leave and go back to the other two girls
End of Chapter 14
Chapter 15 has the opportunity to sleep with all 3 of the girls, so
far they are penalty free flings. There might be alternate dialog,
but no points are lost for choosing to sleep with all three girls.
"Tell her.":
Alternate Dialog
"…":
Carol Trust -1
The following choice is that you are taking a girl out for a patrol.
Each girl gets the opportunity to shoot an infected (if their nerve
is low enough) and also have some time talking time with the girl.
No matter what girl you take, If their nerve is >=6, they get a Trust
point, otherwise, their Nerve is raised by 1.
"Carol":
Take Carol on patrol
"Naomi":
Take Naomi on patrol
"You first.":
Sydney Like +1, Alternate Dialog
"I have something I needed your help with":
Alternate Dialog
"Wait it out.":
You wait it out, and the infected goes away, Alternate Dialog
"Kill it now.":
You kill the infected, Sydney Nerve +1, Alternate Dialog
End of Chapter 15
Unfinished Alternate Run:
So far this walk-through has been mostly about getting the most
points with the girls, and not screwing up your relationship with
Carol. You can make a different run that is not fully implemented in
the game yet (without developer console access, graphics not
rendered, dialog not finished, etc.). This run is the Naomi Love
Interest run.
To get this, and access the scenes you have to have Carol’s love 2 or
less and Naomi’s Love 4 or more. You also have to set a flag in the
ren’py dev console (do a search) and set
“persistent.ch8naomi_alt_unlock = true”,“naomi_relationship_tier =
1”, “persistent.ch11_alt_unlock = true”
You need to get these variables set just after she sings in the
shower above. You will see these alternate/additional choices after
that point.
Christmas Special
There are no choices – Just enjoy the story !!
Gallery Unlocks
Green: Happens without a choice
Red: You need to make a choice(s) to make the unlock happen
1. Chapter Two: Oops When you come back home after a patrol, you
peek on Carol in the bathroom and see her naked.
2. Chapter Three: Hot Shower Carol peeks on you in the shower.
3. Chapter Three: Lori You dream of Lori and Carol peeks at your
hardon.
4. Chapter Four: Night Time Visit You visit Carol in her sleep.
5. Chapter Four: Scotch O’clock You have to pick "I can't help
myself. It feels so good." when you are drinking with Carol.
6. Chapter Four: A Dream of Alice You screw Alice at a cookout.
7. Chapter Four: Carol’s Visit Carol gives you a blow job at
night.
8. Chapater Five: Carol’s First Time (Full) First time you have
sex with Carol.
9. Chapter Five: Carol’s First Time First time you have sex with
Carol.
10. Chapter Six: Sex Montage Montage of times you have sex with
Carol in this chapter.
11. Chapter Six: A Round of Dares When you play truth or Date, you
select "Sure, why not?".
12. Chapter Six: Good Night BJ Carol gives you a blowjob, Naomi
watches.
13. Chapter Seven: Sexy Naomi Dream Dream of sexy Naomi.
14. Chapter Seven: Carol Raw Have sex with Carol
15. Chapter Eight: Two Girls, Two Rooms Get to play with Carol
and watch Naomi get herself off. Must chose "Check up on Carol"
16. Chapter Nine: High School Shower If Carol’s trust is > 3, you
will have happy time with her in the shower.
17. Chapter Ten: With Naomi Have sexy time with Naomi by selecting
"We can see what happens."
18. Chapter Ten: Carol Instead Have sex with Carol by selecting
"Let me see if I can find Carol."
19. Chapter Ten: Lori Flashback Have sex with Lori at school by
selecting "Like you haven't considered having sex at school."
20. Chpater Eleven: Carol Quickie Have sex with Carol if you select
"See what Carol's up to. If that is her."
21. Chapter Eleven: Legitimate Massage Have sex with Naomi, if you
have had sex with her in Chapter 10 and selected "Well, best see
if Naomi's awake. If not Oh well"
22. Chapter Eleven: Naomi’s Virginity (Chapter 11) Have sex with
Naomi, if you have not had sex with her in Chapter 10, and
selected "Well, best see if Naomi's awake. If not Oh well"
23. Chapter Eleven: Good Morning BJ You need to have had sex in
Chapter 10, 11, and broke your ribs in the fight with the dude.
Then select "Try to wake up."
24. Chapter Twelve: Teacher’s Office You get some sexy time with
Carol if you selected “head to the West Wing (Carol).”
25. Chapter Twelve: Schoolgirl (Alt.) You get some sexy time with
Carol if you selected “head to the West Wing (Carol).” This
unlocks the same as #24, but to see in the game, you had to have
picked “schoolgirl” in the truth or dare game in Chapter 6.
26. Chapter Twelve: Cheerleading You get some sexy time with Naomi
(if she is not a virgin) if you select "Head to the gym
(Naomi)."
27. Chapter Thirteen: Going Commando When you get the choice to
find a girl, you chose to go to Naomi in Chapter 13.
28. Chapter Thirteen: Library Time When you get the choice to
find a girl, you chose go to the Library in Chapter 13.
29. Chapter Thirteen: Sydney and Naomi You have to choose “Your
call. You’re a grown woman.” in Chapter 12, and “Want to
continue?” in Chapter 13.
30. Chapter Fourteen: Carol on the Rooftop You have to choose to
“Ask her about it”
31. Chapter Fourteen: Adult Swim You have to choose to “Hug Naomi”
32. Chapter Fourteen: Sydney’s Comfort You have to choose “Sure”
33. Chapter Fourteen: The Morning After You have to spend the
night with Sydney after having sex with her
34. Chapter Fifteen: Alone Time Choose Carol in Chapter 15 when
you get the chance to have sex with her.
35. Chapter Fifteen: Bathroom Sex Choose Naomi in Chapter 15 when
you get the change to have sex with her.
36. Chapter Fifteen: Butt Stuff (Alt) Choose Naomi in Chapter 15
when you get the chance to have sex with her. You also have had
to have picked Anal as your kink in Truth or Dare (Chapter 7),
and have had to have at least had sex with Naomi twice. This
technically unlocks in the gallery if you unlock #35 above, but
this is how you unlock it in the game.
37. Chapter Fifteen: Funeral Sex Choose Sydney in Chapter 15 when
you get the chance to have sex with her.