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Run Your Car On Vapors2
Run Your Car On Vapors2
a.k.a.
GasFumes.org GasolineFumes.org
John Weston has converted his car, his motorcycle, an emergency power generator, and a lawnmower to run on
fumes. His car gets over 400 mpg.
“Based on talks with actual engineers that work at Ford and GM, these two companies
have actively discouraged any improvements in fuel efficiencies. Engineers would be
threatened if they were caught tinkering with the computer systems or searching for ways
to make the car engines run more efficiently.”
“CAFE standards were implemented in 1978 to force automakers to produce cars that get
better mileage.”
See Decades of Automaker Roadblocks to Fuel Economy
“Stew Webb at Ford Motor company was forced to destroy carburetors that were getting
45 mpg instead of the normal 13 mpg on a heavy v8 vehicle! The plant manager told Stew
that Ford was getting heat over the carburetors so they had to be removed and taken to
the city dump and destroyed with a bull dozer while they watched!”
more about Stew: http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/03/us-government-stopping-75-mpg-cars-from-
being-sold-in-usa-2590488.html
Read our pages about Tom Ogle and Charles Pogue who got 100 to 200 mpg on their cars,
V8’s, back in the 1930’s and 1970’s
how to get over 100 miles per gallon on a big car or truck.
how to get maximum fuel economy
you get more horse power and the engine runs smoother
Below are text, pictures, and videos showing exactly how it is done.
vapor: Physics. a gas at a temperature below its critical [or boiling] temperature.
fumes example: If you smell fumes in the garage, you call it gasoline vapor.
mist: Fine drops of a liquid, such as water, perfume, or medication, sprayed into the air.
Our gas-guzzlers in vehicles and industry fund Arab terrorists and cause toxic air polution. The 2014 WHO report: “air
pollution in 2012 caused the deaths of around 7 million people worldwide.” iags.org/fuelingterror.html: “America’s
best weapon against terrorism is to decrease its dependency on foreign oil by increasing its fuel efficiency …” – Now
we can experience a great increase in fuel economy!
The rich oil tycoons know but will do whatever it takes to keep the public from finding out and doing anything about it.
But if we do this and help others do it. We will have defeated them.
“There are 200 million vehicles running the streets and highways here in the U.S.”
Running on vapor. the bottle is not even covered, the lid is OFF. There is no
bubbling and it keeps running even when the hose is pulled out to very near the
top of the bottle. Visual proof that a gasoline engine runs on only a small amount
of vapor.
admissio
n within the US Gov.:
FEMA “All internal combustion engines actually run on vapor, not liquid. The liquid fuels
used by gasoline engines are vaporized before they enter the combustion chamber
above the pistons.” This claim was made in a FEMA (Federal Emergency Management
Agency) report that was published in 1989 gasoline burns,
www.woodgas.net/files/FEMA_emergency_gassifer.pdf its vapors explode
Of course, engines actually run on vapor but the truth is liquid, not gas, is squirted into
the engine, a mist, and only a small amount of the liquid vaporizes in the ~thousandth of a second before being
ignited.
“… a perfectly calibrated carburetor currently makes better power and economy. Problem is being perfectly calibrated
is almost impossible. All the sensors and programability of electronic injection makes a more efficient fuel system.
Progress in injectors and using direct injection into the combustion chamber at very high pressures to better break up
the droplets [mist] and more energetic combustion chambers is closing the gap.” – getting the injector mist down to the
fine mist of a “perfectly calibrated carburetor”
The mist sprayed into the engine by carburetors with their adjustable needle valves and the mist sprayed into the
engine by modern fuel injectors is almost identical.
the fuel injection system only delivers about 10 extra horsepower at peak and yet, that is the main benefit, not
economy.
The main issue with obtaining the best performance using a carburetor is that it can’t monitor the air to fuel ratio for
each individual cylinder. If there was a carburetor for each cylinder then this would not be an issue. So with a
carburetor, the best fuel to air ratio for each cylinder is approximated for the best performance. However, carburetors
do last longer than fuel injection systems and are favored in motor sports.
iso-octane (C8H18), a.k.a. 2-Methylheptane or 2,2,4-trimethylpentane, typical of the molecular isomers found in
gasoline.
2,2,4-trimethylpentane: This particular isomer of octane is the standard 100 point on the octane rating scale.
“unburned hydrocarbon molecules (mostly smaller than the ones in the original fuel) can also come out the
tailpipe. These unburned hydrocarbons (plus any fuel hydrocarbons that evaporate from the fuel system before
getting into the engine to be burned at all) react with nitrogen oxides (another pollutant from combustion) in
the presence of sunlight to form ozone, which is a lung irritant (the “ozone layer” in the stratosphere is a shield
against the sun’s ultraviolet light, but at ground level ozone is the main component of “photochemical smog”).
Carbon atoms can also remain stuck to one another with few or no hydrogen atoms attached, especially during
incomplete combustion of diesel fuel, producing soot.”
“This is one of the reasons alternative fuels are less polluting than gasoline and diesel: their simpler molecules
are easier to burn more completely in an engine, so that less carbon monoxide, soot, and unburned
hydrocarbons come out the tailpipe. In addition, any unburned hydrocarbons that are produced are less
reactive than those that come from incomplete burning of gasoline or diesel fuel, and so they produce less
ground-level ozone; methane in particular is almost incapable of forming smog.”
If you only wish to double (or more) your gasoline mileage, see our page A Hydrogen Generator You Can Build for a
hydrogen-on-demand solution.
The fuel line to your injectors or to your carburetor is to be gasoline vapor-fumes running a
disconnected so that only air is going into the engine, air that passes car
through your container of fumes.
In the U.S., “Summer gasoline and winter gasoline are actually different blends, because
cars run better if the fuel is roughly optimized for the ambient temperature. Winter
gasoline will produce a lot of vapors in the summer, possibly even boiling off in your tank.
Summer gasoline doesn’t vaporize as much, making it too hard to ignite when the engine
is cold” [and harder to vaporize completely in a container].
“So, you should try to change your gas when the seasons change. Refineries switch blends
in spring and fall. Gasoline usually doesn’t hold up an entire year. Replace your gas at the
start of summer, and at the start of winter. That way it’s always fresh.”
Ryan Carlyle, BSChE, engineer at an oil company
http://www.quora.com/How-long-does-gasoline-last-in-a-sealed-container
For us, this means that winter gasoline vaporizes more easily. – editor
so simple: A (peanut butter!) bottle (the red lid) with some gasoline in the bottom, a hose from the top of the bottle to
the air intake of the engine and a hose letting air into the bottle, (long enough to extend down into the gas so that it
bubbles through the gas – which is overkill, way too much, actually). That’s it!
improvement: place the longer tube down just low enough for the air to blow across the top of the surface of the gas, not bubble
down into the gas.
Direct Injection
“In a direct-injection system, air comes in via the intake manifold where the
air/acceleration is controlled with a butterfly valve in a throttle body.”
in other words,
“In fuel injected engines, the throttle body controls the amount of air flowing into the
engine [controls acceleration] with a butterfly valve and is usually located at the intake manifold.”
See sample engine photo and explanations at www.GreatAutoHelp.com/sensor-
location/3800.html
in other words,
keep only the butterfly valve of a carb. to control acceleration [a “throttle body”] and then inject
the fuel with “fuel injectors” directly into the cylinders.
today
quit injecting, wasting, fuel; just draw in a little vapor off the surface of a small gasoline
container.
so simple: A bottle with some gasoline in the bottom, a hose from the top of the bottle to the air intake of the engine
(with a valve on it to control the engine) and 3 more hoses (arbitrary) letting air into the bottle, long enough to extend
down over the gas. (bubbles into: too much) That’s it.
“Any car can idle on fumes. I (and countless other shadetree mechanics) have started, idled and revved quite a few
engines using only a rag with some gasoline on it (don’t try this at home).”
“The gasoline liquid doesn’t undergo a phase change in those injectors. High pressure, tiny holes, and even the high
frequency of the operation causes fuel to turn into very tiny droplets, but still quite liquid, not a gas, not “fumes.” It’s
all about maximizing the surface area to mass ratio of the fuel to get a more efficient burn (or hotter burn, or more
controllable burn) for the same amount of fuel.” Fumes denote fuel in a gas phase (as in solid, liquid, gas). It sounds
pedantic but it’s important to note the difference, for good reason”.
Those [fuel injected] tiny droplets are still a long way from being single
molecule “fumes” or “vapors”. They are still a “mist”. They are still not the
vapor that came off that rag the mechanic used in his auto repair shop
nor the vapor that comes off the surface of the gasoline in the bottom of
the gasoline container.
so simple: A bucket with some gasoline in the bottom, a plastic pipe from the top of the bucket to the air
intake of the engine and 1 pipe letting air into the bucket, long enough to extend down over [not into]
the gas so that it [only blows over the gas -and its safer]. That’s it. He has room in the side of his car’s
engine compartment for the bucket and the car is now getting great gas mileage, running on fumes.
“This video shows the inner chamber of the vaporizer. As you can see I have the air inlet pipe which has many little
holes drilled into the cap which is placed at the bottom of the pipe. The air outlet pipe has larger holes about 1/2” in
diameter drilled into the side of it to allow the air and gasoline vapor to be sucked into the engine through the air
intake on my Buick.
“The fuel is completely shut off. All my car is running on is the gasoline vapor created from the air being pulled
through the pipe which is submersed under the gasoline. This submersion creates a cold gasoline vapor which is then
sucked through the secondary pipe into my air intake. I do have a secondary air inlet port installed on the secondary
pipe it is placed between the vapor outlet pipe and the air intake. This secondary air inlet allows me to adjust the air
to fuel mixture as the RPM (Revolutions Per Minute) rise the need for more air arises. This secondary air inlet allows
that extra air to be pulled in freely with no restriction from the pipe which is submerged under the gasoline.”
. . . note: “Running the vehicle off vapor-fumes actually reduced the cylinder head temp. by an average of 10 degrees
F.”
– Tyson Capel
a 2006 Buick
“This video contains footage of my original gasoline vaporizer. New discoveries are being made in this footage. I did a test run at a later date using a
method similar to this the method was different but had similar concepts as what you see in this footage. I will reveal my new design once I work
out all the bugs do further testing and have more subscribers and views to my videos so I can insure this information will reach millions of people
so that there is no way it can be suppressed. Please share this video, please subscribe please so that I may get this information out as soon as
possible. I need more supporters and subscribers before I release the completed design.”
“There is some confusion out there about having to adjust the timing, change the time the injectors inject the vapor etc. From the tests I have done
there is no need for this. Gasoline vapor still burns at the same rate as liquid gasoline being injected into you engine. We need to remember that
even with liquid gas being injected the only thing that burns is the vapor coming off the liquid that is why injecting a liquid is so inefficient.”
. . . “please contribute by sharing your knowledge. Thanks for all the support!” – see more on youtube.
7-26-2014
“Save on Gasoline Run Your Car On Fumes”
I saw Joshua Lineberry on YouTube run his Dodge on gasoline
fumes. So I thought I’d give it a shot. I made up a rough prototype
just to see if it would work, too easy thanks Joshua. I’ll do another
video when I get an idea of the mileage I can get. About 10 years
ago I thought about this concept but thought you would have to
heat the fuel to get the vapour’s you’d need. Note: Unlike Joshua’s
Dodge which has a carburetor my car has fuel injection which
doesn’t seem to be a problem. Just realized when blocking the hose
I was starving the engine of air as well. Will check to make sure even
without the fuel pump working it can’t pull gas up from the tank. …
Thanks for watching.
– Paul Freeman
Flashback Arrestor
#1 Safety feature for gas vapor – – the flame will not pass through the screen!
“Use this on the intake to the engine manifold … that way if there is a flash it will be contained. They cost like 50 cents
from the dollar store.”
“I had a backfire a while ago with the chevy cavalier due to … i’m not sure, but it hasn’t done it since. luckily i had the
screen on the intake manifold directly above the butterfly valve … it backfired, i heard the air shoot back into the
chamber and nothing else… would have been bad if it wasn’t stopped right where it started.”
“Take the time to put the proper safety precautions into the design.”
“thin tubes needed to be only about as long as their diameter to prevent fire from traveling their length. The logical
end point was fine metal mesh, which you could think of like thousands of very short tubes arranged in a grid.”
www.popsci.com/diy/article/2009-12/gray-matter-built-lamp-doesnt-explode
Oct 4, 2011
It is a first test, the hose runs to a bottle over on a table and the owner spends a of time showing
the setup.
Jun 1, 2004
All these people are experimenting just like you will be at first. Some of them have removed their air filters and some
are running without a flashback arrestor.
Both are unsafe in the long term. Even for the short term, running without a flashback arrestor can be considered
risky.
Look at your air filter and recognize that all the dirt it has trapped would have gone into your engine:
“A newer vehicle with a MAF sensor wouldn’t fare so well once debris starts to collect on/around the delicate sensor.”
“I had a Fiat Uno turbo which I drove 6 months without an air filter. In the end I had to rebuild the whole engine. Don’t
drive your car for a long period without an air filter.”
“For a limited period in a clean environment it won’t do any harm.
Just be careful not to let anything get sucked into the intake.” (!!)
“Hopefully you weren’t following close behind a truck on a dusty gravel road”
notes on a few
More than 50 years ago – George Arlington Moore was issued more patents on fuel efficiency
systems than any man in history to date…
1933 – Charles Nelson Pogue made headlines when he drove a 1932 Ford V8, 200 miles on a gallon
of gas during a demonstration conducted by The Ford Motor Company in Winnipeg, Manitoba using
his super-carb system. The Pogue Carb went into production and was sold openly. [317 were sold?]
In the opening months of 1936, stock exchange offices and brokers were swamped with orders to
dump all oil stock immediately. His invention caused such shock waves through the stock market,
that the US and Canadian governments both stepped in and [successfully] applied pressure to stifle
him.
The late 50’s and early 60’s – The Kendig and Fish variable venturi carburetors have some very
interesting mileage figures… The Fish even gets into production on a very small scale – but, both of
these carburetors fade away over the next few years…
1968 – Ford Motor Company begins experiments with an engine that has a different kind of
combustion chamber… A fuel injected version of 430 cid is tested and runs very well on an Air/Fuel
mixture of 26:1 – Ford experimented with this engine for possible production by 1985 – Obviously it
was never put into production…
Ron Brandt – When he was a young man, he invented a 90-mpg carburetor. He was paid a visit by a
man from Standard Oil, another man, and two men wearing US Marshal uniforms. They told him
that if he ever made another carburetor, they would kill him, his wife, and two young children. He
was quickly persuaded that his life wasn’t worth a “damn” carburetor. He happened to think to
memorize the badge numbers of the two US Marshals and so had an attorney in Washington, DC
check with the US Marshal’s office. They had no record of the two badge numbers.
1974 – An article from “Mechanix Illustrated”, about Humidifier Type Fuel Systems, tells of a man by
the name of LaPan – who claims to get from “60 to 100 miles per gallon” with his system…
1976 – A modified Ford Pinto equipped with a turbocharged Nissan diesel engine is tested and gets
up to 80 miles per gallon…
1977 – Tom Ogle, of El Paso, Texas, claims to get 100 miles per gallon on his 1970 Ford Galaxie with
V-8 engine, weighing 4600 lb… Running one round trip test from El Paso, Texas to Demming, New
Mexico and back [200 miles] used only two gallons of gas… His Vapor Fuel System eliminates the
standard carburetor, only has a three gallon tank, and emits no carbon dioxide or unburned
hydrocarbons…
Many thousands of backyard inventors have come up with systems that get a much better efficiency
from gasoline than does the modern carburetor or fuel injection, and a few have built systems that
get a drastic increase…
A letter from Mr. Gail Dye of Benton, IL – claims that he has been offered a $100,000 a year job to
quit playing around with these things… We haven’t heard from him since – Maybe he took the job…?
A man in Richardson, TX was selling plans to a carburetor modeled after the Pogue but used in
conjunction with the standard carburetor for starting and cold running… An automatic thermostat
switches over to the Pogue type carburetor when temperature is hot enough to vaporize the fuel…
Upper chamber is 5 inches high and 7 inches diameter, lower chamber is 2 inches deep and 4 inches
diameter… He claims to have installed the device on a Lincoln and has obtained up to 100 miles per
gallon… He was doing business as: FUELMIZER – Box 6025 – Richardson, TX 75080 – Recent inquiries
go unanswered…
John Wesling – Preston, MN worked on his idea to use both heat and vacuum, with a device made
up of modified carburetor parts and a heat exchanger to double his mileage in 1981…
Joe Lasante – Bossano, Alberta, Canada was working on a system he said works quite well and is
simple to make… He says he can get at least 30 MPG on his 1978 Dodge pickup with a 360 cid V-8
engine… The engine runs Very smooth and it has more power than it did without the modification…
Ken MacNeill, Box 9478, Winter Haven, FL says he can effectively double the mileage of Most Any
Car…
Richard Goranflo, 109 Longleaf Lane, Altamont Springs, FL once gave seminars on the subject of
high mileage – And claims to get from 45 MPG to 65 MPG on his 1976 Cadillac with 425 cid V-8
engine…
Bernard Wherry, Box 148, St Marys, WV – worked on his high mileage carburetor design for many
years… He eventually ended up with three prototypes… With one giving him 60 MPG on a Chrysler
with V-8 engine… He wanted to market the carburetors, but without the necessary financing he was
unable to do so… He had turned over the designs to a firm who claimed they would market one of
the three designs, but to date the Wherry carburetors are not on the market…
Ray Covey of El Paso, TX – worked on a high mileage carburetor modeled after a Sgrignoli design for
over a year, and ended up getting 65 MPG on his Chrysler V-8… With an occasional 100 MPG… After
applying for a patent, Covey began marketing plans to his device and installed several units for a
few of his customers… Covey built another design similar to a Ford Motor Company patent and
started marketing plans to the new design too… Covey seems to be able to take ideas from others
and make them work very well – To our knowledge, he has no original ideas of his own in the field of
high mileage carburetion, but he seems to does do very well with the ideas of others…
Richard Paul, Janesville, WI – Averages 80 MPG on his Oldsmobile Toronado, and says he has
achieved as high as 149 MPG on more than one occasion… He says he expects to top 180 MPG with
the newest design he is working on…
Herb Hansen – Elgin, IL – Built a vaporizing carburetion system for use with alcohol Fuel… Using 140
proof alcohol in a Ford Pinto he says he gets 70 to 75 MPG and the engine produces more power
than it does on gasoline with a standard carburetor…
Fred Holste of Jarrettsville, MD – Claims to have topped 45 MPG with his design for a vapor
carburetor… He says he will deny having done so if we print his name though…
This guy has an old vehicle with a carb. and since the fuel line is disconnected, only the butterfly valve of
the carb. functions, controlling the air intake (with fumes), which is the acceleration.
on Jun 1, 2014:
Since his hoses were small, he used 3 each way and it is enough. See John’s setup below with only 2 somewhat larger
hoses.
This is an experiment I did to see if cars will just run on gas fumes. It was so simple and I was so excited and very
pissed that it worked at the same time. We are getting majorly screwed at the pump. I drove like this for a few miles
and came home with no problems
You don’t need a big bucket or huge hoses. Here is John Weston’s car (a Geo Storm GSi) with a smaller white container
and an extra pipe with a valve to allow him to adjust the amount of extra air (to control the air/vapor mixture).
(note that there appears to be about a half inch of gasoline in the bottom of the white container)
He has been on the highway and gone over 80 mph with his fuel vapor system.
“I learned … on my Geo Storm by using the standard 87 octane gasoline, then 89 octane, then used Coleman fuel(for
lanterns), then charcoal lighter fluid and even rubbing alcohol. On each of the different fuels there was a different
setting of the air/vapor mixture for the engine to run smoothly.
Looks like John removed the air filter in order to find room for his vapor system. The pictures I’ve seen of newer cars
makes it look like they keep putting more and more wires, pipes, and hoses into the engine compartments till there is
no room left and it costs more and more to service them. Another reason to get an electric vehicle ASAP! Till then,
however, we have seen “after market” air filters small enough that he could probably fit one in beside his vapor tank
and run one hose from it into his tank and a second one into the valve (letting in the variable amount of extra air).
2 options: get all or part of the air from your air cleaner:
“In a gasoline internal combustion engine, the throttle is a [butterfly] valve that directly
regulates the amount of air entering the engine, indirectly controlling the charge” (vapor +
air) . . . placed on the entrance of the intake manifold, or housed in the throttle body. The
throttle body is usually attached to the intake manifold, and the mass airflow sensor may
be mounted on the throttle body.
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am. in-line valve for $15
the T fitting: 1 inch diam. = $3
1 inch diam. vinyl tubing = $3/ft
at your local hardware store
We also found 1.5 inch diam. valves, T-fittings, tubing, etc. – which are larger than necessary – unless you have a large
V8 ?
{We found all these on-line at a local hardware store, in pluming and in garden supplies}
Of all the gas cans sold in the United States, 95% are plastic, . . . Of
the 150 million or so Blitz-produced plastic gas cans in circulation,
none of them came equipped with flame arresters. 75 separate
instances have occurred where people have been severely
burned, even killed, because of Blitz gas can explosions. Fourteen
people have burned to death, including six children. . . . In each of
the 75 instances where a Blitz can explosion has caused serious
injury or death, the absence of a flame arrester was responsible.
www.attorney-group.com/lawsuits/products-liability/blitz-gas-can-explosion-
lawsuits/
You don’t need to be concerned about it right now, but . . . after you have
experimented and finally gotten to the point where you would like the gas level
to be maintained in the bottom of your bottle, simple mechanical float valves
are cheap and then you can connect the fuel line to it (which you have kept
disconnected till now) or
connect your own secondary
bottle of gas and forget the big tank under the trunk entirely – leave
it empty.
For extended periods (depending on how warm the weather is, etc.)
the evaporation may cause the gasoline and bottle to get cold and
therefore not produce as much vapor – and loose power, so you
may want to locate it somewhere to keep it warm – near the
radiator or re-direct the exaust or … whatever. Read comments
from others on this page.
John Weston
Experience: Extending an air tube all the way into the gasoline so as to cause bubbling is not necessary –
his car ran even better on the leaner vapor mixture. Conclusion: Little to no bubbling is required. and he
uses something smaller than a huge bucket.
Here is a pick-up truck running very very efficiently on vapor from a gas can.
Timing
“There is some confusion out there about having to adjust the timing, change the time the injectors inject the vapor
etc. From the tests I have done there is no need for this. Gasoline vapor still burns at the same rate as liquid gasoline
being injected into you engine. We need to remember that even with liquid gas being injected the only thing that
burns is the vapor coming off the liquid that is why injecting a liquid is so inefficient.”
– www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrsFYMP4BaE
John Weston
a riding lawnmower running on vapor – notice, again, that the 1 small bottle
produces more than enough vapor and he has to dilute it by joining a second pipe
of air into the mixture
(white with a red valve). See a smaller bottle of fumes powering a motorcycle,
above.
* * In The Snow * *
Starting a truck in the snow with only fumes,
running very very efficiently.
hydroman911:
You can see the snow coming down, toward the end, when he pulls the camera out from under the hood. It actually
started quicker and easier than a lot of old cars in cold weather.
Hello everyone. I’m new here (www.whenshtf.com) but I wanted to share this project that I have been working on
because I think it would help out a lot of people.
My idea is simple. All you need to do is to have air bubble up through your fuel container, then send this rich fuel
vapor to the engine via hoses and control valves. I spent about $30 on valves and pipe to make my setup work.
I removed the fuel tank and mounted it to the bottom of the lawn mower handle. I ran a hose from the normal outlet
to above the fuel tank and secured the hose. This is the air inlet. I then took the gas cap and drilled a hole in it so that I
could bolt a barbed hose fitting on to it. This hose then goes to a ball valve so I can control how much fuel goes into
the engine. This ball valve is connected to a T fitting. I then have another ball valve connected to the T fitting and I use
this valve to adjust how much air goes into the engine. The last side of the T fitting then goes to the engine where the
carb was, it’s as easy as that!! Another advantage to this setup is the application of a vacuum to the fuel. This lowers
the boiling point of the fuel without changing it’s flash point!!
You see some fittings coming off of the exhaust. What I am doing with that is adding an exhaust gas recirculation
setup. This will help to [warm] the combustion and should increase the reliability of the setup.
I am also looking to try to find some vacuum operated valves so it will automatically keep the engine running instead
of me having to adjust the air and fuel valves to keep it running.
Eventually I want to install this setup on a car.
http://www.whenshtf.com/threads/40702-Converting-a-gas-engine-to-run-on-gas-vapor-to-extend-fuel-range
I did a google search on running on gas vapors and found a lot of people who are
experimenting.
Bill Caine 59, turns, over the modified engine of his 1970 Plymouth Fury and lets
it warm up for about 10 minutes. He detaches the gas line and something
unusual happens – the car keeps running even when Caine revs the engine past
4,000 revolutions per minute. “I’ve -always been taught the proofs in the
pudding,” Caine said. “The only way to prove something is to do it. I’ve had it
running without the gas line for three hours straight before.”
The Hillsboro auto dealer with a mechanical inclination has built a vaporizer for the car’s engine to allow the Plymouth
Fury to run on gasoline fumes. It’s an attempt at handily conserving fuel. “I started on it back in the ’80s and I figured
the way things are now with emissions and gas prices, it’s probably a good time to start it up again,” Caine said.
Caine proudly displays several local and national newspaper articles from 1981 about his innovative work on engines.
Many of them proclaim that a full-size car modified by Caine was getting 50 miles per gallon and that he had hoped to
stretch the number to 100. He declines to disclose why he scrapped the project just after Japanese manufacturers had
began to show interest in his work. Now he has picked up where he left off and has his car running on gas fumes.
Caine said his Fury puts out no emissions once the fuel line is detached, “It’s got more throttle response too,” Caine
said. “The, motor runs smoother and it gets more power. The most explosive part of gas is the fumes.”
Caine’s next step is to measure the car’s gas mileage. “That’s what I’m going to be working next,” Caine said. “I got the
emissions down that’s done. “My hope is to get it to produce the mileage I want it to and then I’d like to put (the
vaporizer attachment) on every car on the highway.” Caine chose a 1970 Fury for the project because it’s a big old
heavy boat, 4,200 pounds. “We get mileage up on this and just think what that would do to a little car,” Caine said. The
vaporizer he has constructed fits on the Fury’s carburetor. He would like the vaporizer to eventually replace the
mechanism.
“I want to get it where it bolts right where the carburetor is and take the carburetor off,” Caine said. “Same thing for
fuel injected cars. “Carburetors and fuel injectors are wasted parts. I say that because they force-feed the engine.” This
innovative thinking comes from a man with no formal mechanical training, just hand-on experience and a dream. “I
had an older brother who piddled who around with old cars when I was little,” Caine said. “I put my first motor
together when I was 13 years old. …”
yaz:
Kickass work Plasmastudent77!!
Last week on the show “TRUCKS!” The guys did a propane conversion on a 2008 Ford 150.
They bought the kit and all they changed were the injectors added a pressure
regulator/switch and get the trucks computer flashed. There was NO WATER INJECTION
needed to keep the valves cool!!
Whoever said, that you need extra fuel to cool valves is full of it!
The auto makers that program the computer to dump extra fuel so it “cools the valves” is
just an excuse to waste more fuel! It just carbons up your engine faster and dirties up
your oil all to get you back to the pumps faster!
http://ezinearticles.com/?Propane-Auto-Conversions—Is-it-a-Better-Solution-For-My-
Engine?&id=1518811
The guys on TRUCKS also talked to a guy with a towing business that only used propane
for his tow truck and it had over 380,000 miles on it. He said he tore the engine down to
rebuild it and guess what?…There was NO carbon buildup... NO unusual wear patterns …
the inside of the engine looked almost new and he didn’t have to change the oil as often
as he did before when it ran on gasoline…duh! Oh Yeah, no burnt valves!!
Not sure where this stupid rumor started about burnt valves but every natural
gas/propane converted vehicle does NOT have anything to cool the valves!!! So stop
spreading bullshit!
Instead of trying to improve the vapor setup we’re now sidetracked how to add a water
injector…you don’t need it.
Now you will need a fuel heater, because when the fuel vaporizes it cools so after a while
the fuel won’t want to vaporize that well especially in the winter. That’s what we need to
work on.
78-year-old North Port, Florida retiree Peter Simmons got 120 to 150 miles per gallon with his vapor system.
GREG MARTIN, Charlotte Sun staff writer; Posted October 18, 2007
“…every time we got up to 145 mpg or better, we’d say, ‘Gee whiz!'”
Simmons, who was born in New Zealand and raised in England, said he suspects Big Oil has kept such innovations
secret to protect profits. “It is my opinion that all this stuff has been kept quiet and unknown by the poor
unsuspecting public,” he said. “They’ve all been taken for the biggest ride in history. We could have been getting 100
miles per gallon.”
He has held that suspicion since the early 1950s, when he worked to develop a vapor carburetor with an engineering
colleague he identified as Roy Lewelling. The two men obtained crude plans for a vapor carburetor from an
advertisement in one of the amateur engineering magazines that were popular in England at the time. “The
advertisements sounded like a stupid dream and a con, with promises of a complete description of a carburetor that
would get fantastic mileage,” Simmons recalled.
But Simmons said he was already a believer because he’d heard a legend that the British Army, under Maj. Gen.
Bernard Montgomery, had used vapor carburetors in its tanks and artillery trucks to chase Germany’s Erwin Rommel
from Egypt to Tunisia during World War II. The route began with what Montgomery had dubbed “Operation
Supercharge” in November 1942. “Montgomery was able to get all the way to Tunis, I think, on one refueling,” said
Simmons, who served in the British Army’s engineering division after the war. …
Old-time tinkering
Simmons said he and Lewelling began tinkering with the goal of creating what they dubbed the “Pogue type 2”
carburetor. It was based on the concept of the Pogue carburetor, invented by Canadian Charles Nelson Pogue in 1927.
It used a radiator-like device to heat the gasoline. An article about the Pogue carburetor in the May 1936 edition of the
Canadian Automotive Trade magazine carried the headline: “Prominent automotive men convinced over 200 mpg
possible.” …
Simmons said they carefully measured the mileage they achieved and he’s convinced it reached as high as 150 mpg.
The results were tempered by two caveats: it ran only on “white gasoline,” a pure form of gasoline which was not
readily available except to the military, and the mileage was based on imperial gallons, which are one-sixth bigger
than U.S. gallons. After several years of development, the project was dropped in 1953. Simmons said both he and his
colleague were courting their future wives at the time and chose to devote more time to their regular careers.
“Here are the plans which I drew up in about 1970. George’s buddy from the midwest made one, and others have
been made. So I advertised “The Gasoline Vapor Maker” in a national magazine. I sold a few. Then I got a nasty,
threatening letter, and got cold feet. So I wrote to all the buyers and offered them their money back if they returned
the plans. Two or three came back for refunds, the rest were kept by the buyers, who I never heard from again.
However, from that time on, everybody and his brother started advertising my plans. Of course they were changed in
an attempt to make it unrecognizable so that they wouldn’t look like copies my plans. Now the cat was really out of
the bag, and the petroleum industry couldn’t threaten and scare that many people.
...
WWII
Pogue helps the British defeat Rommel
A friend of mine used to go up to Winnepeg, Canada in the 1980’s to visit Pogue who was living in a Nursing Home at
the time. One of the stories that Pogue told him was about the Battle of El Alamein that was the turning point of WW
II. Previous to this battle, Rommel’s Tank Corps would chase the British tanks till they ran out of gas. Rommel’s tanks
would then retire and allow the artillery to destroy the British tanks. They could do this because they had more
efficient engines with a longer range.
Pogue had been hired to design a combustion system for our tanks that gave them a greater range than Rommel’s
tanks. At the battle of El Alamein, our tanks ran Rommel’s tanks out of gas and our artillery picked them off like ducks
in a shooting gallery. Whenever one of our tanks with Pogue’s combustion system was disabled or destroyed, there
was a crew who would dismantle and remove the combustion system in these tanks that were sealed in a black steel
box.
There is a website and a CD that have 604 carburetor patents that have been assigned to various companies and
never developed. There were 53 inventors who wouldn’t sell out. Each of them had fatal “accidents” two to three
weeks after refusing to sell their patent(s). I knew four of these inventors personally. The website is
http://www.fuelvapors.com/.
Phil Ratte is a retired mechanical engineer, who graduated from the University of Minnesota with a BME (Bachelor of
Mechanical Engineering) degree in 1961. A few years later he got his license as a Registered Professional Engineer in
the State of Minnesota and later in the State of Wisconsin.
In 1978, Phil ran for the U.S. Senate on a platform of new energy related ideas that included ethanol blended fuels.
From 1979 to the present, Mr. Ratte has tested over 90 devices and additives that promised to save fuel and reduce
pollution.
...
From 1981 to 1989, Phil worked with a wealthy inventor, Herb Hansen, to develop two prototypes vehicles that ran on
1/3 ethanol and 2/3 water. Herb died of a major stroke at a very convenient time for the Oil Cartel. Two months after
Herb died the U.S. Secret Service entered Phil’s home with a warrant and copied his files on their ethanol project.
When he tried to find out what the Probable Cause was to issue the warrant, he found that the Federal Judge had
sealed the file. Phil has known 4 men including Herb who died after refusing big money for their very promising
energy saving devices.
53 inventors with revolutionary energy saving inventions have met untimely “accidental” deaths just after refusing
large sums of money for their patents. Other inventors have received millions of dollars for their patents that were
then left undeveloped. Phil says he has a CD that has 920 energy saving patents in it that were assigned (sold) to
various automobile, oil, and other companies and then buried.
In the 1990’s, Phil was hired to do testing for two companies that were selling magnetic fuel saving devices. He
appeared as an expert witness in a criminal trial in Missouri. His success there caused the 29 states that were
prosecuting the second magnet company to quietly drop their cases. It also caused the Minnesota Attorney General to
try to attack Phil’s Minnesota Professional Engineering license. That Attorney General was Hubert H. Humphrey III who
Phil helped Jesse Ventura defeat for Governor in 1998.
It is very strange, says Phil, that after 1994 magnets could no longer improve fuel efficiency. Apparently the computer
chips in cars after that time were programmed to defeat any device like the magnets that provided more complete
burning of the fuel and potential fuel savings. (Any underground programmers out there who can re-program these
chips to take advantage of novel fuels?)
http://blog.hasslberger.com/2007/04/pogue_carburetor_gasoline_vapo.html
“Gasoline has additives in it that will not burn. … Even higher mileage can be obtained by heating the fuel…”
“Much to do has been made of bypassing the car’s computers. The OBD computer system is on vehicles after 1998.
Unbelievable as it is, the computer is designed to waste fuel. If you put a small amount of hydrogen or a small amount
of gasoline vapor (as is featured in this video), your oxygen sensors falsely show that you are running “too lean,” and
the computer tells the car to waste more fuel. That is because the injectors are controlled by the computer.
We can show you how to do something no one else is showing. How to completely turn your injectors off, and put
pure vapor into the top of your motor and bypass your computer. When the computer tells the injectors to waste
more of your precious fuel, nothing happens. Surprise, surprise, you have disconnected your injectors, and you are
running on vapor! The computer does not interfere with the timing, or shut the motor off!
When you set a glass of water on top of the motor running on liquid gasoline, it jiggles the water in the
glass. But when you set a glass of water on top of the motor running on gasoline vapor, the water does not
jiggle. Vapor runs your engine smoothly.
http://www.runningonvapor.com/gallery.html
“We took a gasoline generator, removed the gas tank, air filter, and carburetor (did not need to remove the carb. but
did) and put about an oz. or two of gas from the nearly empty gas tank on the generator into a plastic bottle.
Note: only one hose – since the lid was off – just like the first video at the top of this page. No bubbling.
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K
NOVEMBER 21, 2017 AT 1:19 AM
is there a mechanic in phoenix who would put one on my vehicle? who and where can i find the shop?
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Morris Wicker
JULY 24, 2017 AT 1:59 PM
I know these things to be true. We need to make it safe so people can use it. We should form an association for
this purpose.
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Pedro Felipe
JULY 17, 2017 AT 10:52 AM
Personal, would you like to take advantage of the steam that has already left the tank canceling the activated
charcoal of the canister?
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Tom
JUNE 16, 2017 AT 9:06 AM
I want to know can it work on a v6 that goes into a 94 Chevy blazer and would the 4 wheel drive still work ?
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Chad
AUGUST 14, 2017 AT 10:35 AM
Lonesilver48
JUNE 8, 2017 AT 2:54 PM
I have a 2001 GMC safari with a 4.3 l 6 cyl. I took off the air filter to look at whats in there. There is a ss screen with
some sensors so presume that it would be better to introduce the vapors ahead of that.. I’ll give it a try and report
back.
Awesome info Thanks
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Vincent
JUNE 6, 2017 AT 5:56 PM
Love the concept, can I buy a kit to put on my 2008 Honda Odyssey and my 2006 Saturn vue?
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Brayden
FEBRUARY 24, 2017 AT 8:15 AM
Couldn’t you just stick a small amount of fuel in the tank pull fuse for fuel pump and run a hose from the top of
the tank to your air intake?
Yes and no. Read about Tom Ogle’s experience – see our page on Tom.
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Skywalker
MARCH 14, 2017 AT 3:35 PM
Your answer “Yes and no. Read about Tom Ogle’s experience – see our page on Tom.” doesn’t make any sense.
There is no mention of “small amount of fuel in the tank pull fuse for fuel pump and run a hose from the top of
the tank to your air intake”. You should really explain your “yes” and “no” to the question. That would be
helpful.
You did not read his story! … how it all started when he accidentally knocked a hole in the gas tank of his lawn
mower and with that success did the same thing with his car. He will tell you all the things he experienced and
you will also, if you do it.
james m ketcham
FEBRUARY 9, 2017 AT 6:58 AM
i have a question??? i set myself up with a vapor system and it seems to be working …anyways i have a pathfinder
with a 3.3 v6 what i did was put a tee into a vacuum line that runs from the top of my intake manifold to my brake
booster there is a check valve before the booster and in doing so i reduced the size of my container im using to
small propsne bottles i fitted with a tee and ran a bubbler tube down the center with needle valves and ran
tubing to vacuum line its working much more efficient with smaller container…my question is is this ok? will it
damamge anything? by directing fumes with vacuum line? any input would be helpful thx j in cali
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John Cahill
FEBRUARY 4, 2017 AT 2:26 PM
I would like to know how this will affect the upstream oxygen sensors in my 99 Forerunner. If I use vapor, I would
assume they would detect a fuel rich mix and simply not inject so much fuel…which wouldn’t be a problem. I’m a
little concerned about the vapor as it would be extremely explosive. If I use HHO, will they sense a too lean mix
and start adding more fuel? I am leaning towards using HHO, but I don’t want to damage the expensive oxygen
sensor. I still need to pass a smog every other year. I figure it’s simple enough to unhook the system and pass the
smog, then hook it back up. Any help is greatly appreciated. Just the whole fact that we are and have been being
lied to and screwed six ways to Sunday really pisses me off….but that’s another discussion. Thanks again!
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Lumbergooz
JANUARY 23, 2017 AT 5:27 AM
2 questions: 1- Do you pump the gas vapor before or after the Air mass sensor ? 2- Can we use ultrasonic
transducer from a humidifier to vaporize the fuel, or we still need to warm the fuel from exhaust heat ?
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Julian
JANUARY 13, 2017 AT 11:12 AM
yes you can. but without provision to inject lub oil on top of the pistons this talk is all crap because it will destroy
your engine very soon. I have only manage to cut fuel consumption by approx. 40% with the hydroxy generator I
installed. The engine run so hot that it loses power. remember that unburden gasoline serves as lubrication on
the upper portion of cylinder. I have to mix oil with the gasoline to keep my engine running good. with running on
vapor its not possible.
ken
DECEMBER 28, 2016 AT 9:21 PM
Keven
DECEMBER 16, 2016 AT 9:50 PM
Leroy Millington
OCTOBER 30, 2016 AT 1:15 AM
… Vapor burns much cleaner than petrol in its general state of use and has a higher octane rating. A lean running
engine (ie, an engine using more air than fuel) has a cooler combustion process than the typical ECM engine with
a preset (never deviating) chemically correct mixture of 14.7 air : 1 fuel. Running cooler is also better for the
engines. Cooler running engines means a reduction in heat damage and failure. …
Very good. All this info. and more is on this page. All that’s needed is a jar and some hose.
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Amstech
OCTOBER 4, 2016 AT 11:16 PM
If any of you want to try the principle without modifying your car then just do this:
Disconnect your mass air flow sensor wires from the sensor for safety (the Nichrome wires on the sensor heat up
so you don’t want vapors passing over them for your test)
Pull the fuel pump fuse out of your fuse box to disable it.
Pull your air filter out of the air filter housing and spray some fuel on it to lightly saturate the folds.
Place the “primed” filter back in the filter housing and close it back.
Start your engine like normal and see how long it idles on the fumes that come off of the air filter as the engine
aspirates air through it.
An adequately “primed” air filter should be able to alow the engine to idle for around 3 minutes.
Remember, always think safety before you experiment with fuels and their vapors.
Enjoy….
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dave rains
SEPTEMBER 20, 2016 AT 10:40 AM
While running on vapor with a fuel injected engine ,will it hurt the injectors in time because of no fuel to lube
them if you need to remove the vapor system ?
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Jake
SEPTEMBER 2, 2016 AT 12:49 AM
Would running a two stroke on vapours work ? I’ve been wondering if it would but because of the fact that you
have to mix your gas and oil I don’t Exactaly know if oil will vapourize like gasoline does. If it didn’t this would lead
to very bad wear and tear so I haven’t really been willing to test it out. Thanks jake
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Savage Rhymes
OCTOBER 18, 2016 AT 1:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDp–7iSDWs
also http://www.vapormotors.com
aye
JULY 1, 2016 AT 7:59 AM
It worked on my 2.5kva generator! However I still have about 70% gasoline left that won’t vaporize. So I pulled
some hot air from the exhaust to the inlet. It boosted till I have 50% gasoline left. Couldn’t continue because my
inlet hose got warm.
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Savage Rhymes
FEBRUARY 29, 2016 AT 12:30 AM
V – 8 Vapor Engine
http://www.SavageRhymes.com/community/vaporengine.html
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Since no one on this page is selling anything, what we have here is your typical drone-robot that says and does
exactly what the co.’s and the gov.’s they own tell it to. To lie, ridicule, slander, … whatever it takes to suppress-
stop any threat to the status quo, to keep the money flowing into the hands of the rich and keep it out of the
hands of those who don’t put the welfare of the rich ahead of everyone else.
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