Science of Healing Summit

The Root Cause of Chronic and Preventable Illness™

Jessica Peatross
Paul: Well, hello, everyone, and welcome back to the summit. I'm so pleased to be
able to introduce to you Dr. Jessica Peatross. I've had the opportunity to speak
with Dr. Peatross on another occasion, and I've always so enjoyed her
enthusiasm as well as her deep knowledge on the very medical topics and
subject matters of which she works in. Dr. Peatross is an internal medicine
trained medical doctor who also trained in functional medicine and has become
a very highly sought-after healer and teacher and formulator. Her expertise lies
in both identifying and also treating what are the so-called stealth infections, and
these include things such as mold and lyme and parasites as well as
environmental toxicities. Dr. Peatross notes that the body has the capability of
healing itself if it's given the opportunity, if it's given the correct recipe. Dr.
Peatross helps guide us with her work and the recipe she provides to help us
heal our bodies. Jess, one of the things I very much appreciate about you and
your work is that really you're practicing what these days is often called whole-
person or whole-health medicine, which means you're treating not only the
body, mind, but also our spiritual nature as well, of course, as our environmental
nature and how that's influencing the health and wellness of our physical body.
You note on your website and I want to read through this short list that there are
four reasons really why people become ill with chronic and preventable illnesses.
Of course, we're going to be discussing these during our interview, but I want to
lay them out at the beginning. The first one is stealth pathogens such as lyme
and mold and parasites. The second domain you work in, heavy metals. The
third, you write about corporate and man-made toxicities and then also
emotional trauma and childhood trauma.

Jessica: Absolutely.

Paul: Yes. Before we get into those, though, I first want to speak about your medical
training. You trained as a traditional MD, which means biomedicine, which
means reductionistic approach to the body and that route to medicine. What
took you to whole-person medicine? What were your experiences and insights

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 that moved you beyond really, I would say, the confines of your traditional
training up to this other vision which you now embrace today?

Jessica: Well, first of all, thank you for the lovely introduction, Paul. I'm excited to be
here and help everyone learn. It's been a wild ride. I'm pretty stubborn as a
human being in general, so really pain is what pushed me to see a different
perspective. That's why I thank God for trials and tribulations in life because we
don’t see something that maybe needs corrected unless things are painful and
hard for you. When things are great, we don't see a new perspective. I actually
was a hospitalist for almost seven years now and a level one trauma center. That
means that when patients came to the emergency department, I was the one
who triaged them along with the nurses. I admitted them, did all their
paperwork, consulted as needed in the hospital, and discharged them. In the
course of doing that for seven years, I started to see problems in the system or
things that were not consistent with my belief system. It became a medicine I
really had trouble believing in. That's because after I went through a divorce and
moved halfway across the country, I started to reevaluate things in the hospital. I
would go down to the cafeteria and see that they had Coke and Pepsi contracts
and we're feeding cancer patients sugar and processed dairy. I couldn't get on
board with that. I saw that doctors were giving patients proton pump inhibitors
like Nexium for six years when the product label clearly says eight months to a
year. I started to document this in the charts. Eventually, the team sat me down
and said, "You've become a disruptive physician. You can't complain like this
anymore. You can't work for us." I said, "I quit."

Paul: Good.

Jessica: When I started to open up a new perspective with my belief system, the
floodgates came and I was very blessed. I got trained at the Institute of
Functional Medicine. I got trained in Ozone. I got trained in Gerson Therapy,
which is alternative to treat cancer. I started to see that things that I was taught,
although they gave me a great foundation, were half the truth. The body has the
ability to heal further beyond what we've ever been told.

Paul: It's so interesting. You were labeled a disruptive physician. On one hand, I can
appreciate that in the sense that, of course, as you know, our medical systems
are standardized, industrialized. There's a very narrow scope of practice
typically. When physicians like yourself start having insight into other pieces,
yeah, it creates a problem that has to be dealt with. Ultimately, as you said, you
quit. Particularly there are areas in medicine, I see it all the time at the University
of California, San Diego where I am, you're calling them stealth pathogens --
lyme, mold, parasites. These are generally almost never really evaluated. Then
there's the level of toxicities, whether it's glyphosate or other metals, corporate
chemicals. We just don't address them. Yet the scientific literature shows us

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 again and again that they're having a bearing on certainly my physical health and
organ system, but also sometimes our mood.

Jessica: Oh, 100%. Oh, my goodness. Obviously, some of these toxins are fat-soluble, and
the brain is made of fat. They will stick there. If your body is not open and able to
release things that have been stuck in the body, it's going to cause disease over
time when you're in a toxin bucket fills up, if you will.

Paul: Is that one of the concepts you work with with the person, the toxin bucket?

Jessica: Yes, because it's an easy concept for people to understand.

Paul: Part of your initial evaluation of a person is test to see how full their bucket is?

Jessica: Honestly, I don't spend a ton of money on expensive tests for patients because
the body, if you are an adept practitioner, you can communicate with the body
even without a test. The body will talk to you and tell you when things are
wrong. I really placed a great deal of importance on the hour, hour and a half
intake form I take from the patient, the questions I ask them. I need to evaluate
their exposome and their history of all the things they were exposed to over the
course of their lifetime, any antecedents, any triggers, any continuous toxin
supply that they may be exposed to on a daily basis. You cannot replace that
with a test.

Paul: A deep, deep, thorough history.

Jessica: Yeah. I'll use tests when they're necessary, of course. But that's always my first
step is talking to the patient.

Paul: Yeah. Imagine, let's say, those of us who have grown up in the US, we've all had
similar life histories as far as exposures to different types of chemicals. I
mentioned glyphosate for one. As you know, pretty much every human being,
certainly in the US and industrialized countries, has some level of glyphosate in
their bodies. There are other varieties of things too, as you know. Can you give
us some insights? Let's say a typical patient may come in. You've done your deep
history on them. You've gotten some insights. What next?

Jessica: I like to give people hope and tell them they can heal. They've been oftentimes
told that they're wrong. Their body is wrong, often even gaslit by certain other
medical practitioners with the system as a whole. Really giving people hope is
really important for me too. Oftentimes at this point, it's important to get a
baseline test because although I don't need to know every single toxicity and
exposure that might be inside this person's body, I need to know the top two or
three. I need to know what we're dealing with that way. Oftentimes,

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 I can do that without a test. Sometimes I need a test to solidify that and then
always giving the patient a positive, something to take with them so that they
believe in themselves.

Paul: Thank you for that. That's such a vital piece. I've spent a fair amount of years
working in this field of behavioral medicine. There's so much, of course, personal
anecdotal evidence, but also just in the literature, the value of having hope and a
belief that we can indeed heal and getting a heavy diagnosis of which, in a
medical setting, where we're led to believe, you know what? Sorry, you're going
to be living with us for the rest of your life. In some instances, you might. But in
many cases, particularly in your work where if you start providing that recipe,
which is what I read earlier in your introduction, then the body, the wisdom and
intelligence of the body takes over, helping us move towards the center of
health and wellbeing.

Jessica: We just need to move ourselves out of the way. Half the time the body can
regenerate on its own really. We do a lot of damage as medical practitioners in
the system with drugs and all kinds of things. I tell my patients, I know you're
upset that your body is reacting. But what if I told you it's reacting appropriately
to your toxic environment in a world that we live in? Thank God for you as a
canary in the coal mine. Thank God for that, because I don't feel anything. One
day I'll just maybe die of cancer because my body doesn't warn me like your
body does when it smells something toxic or it's introduced to something toxic.

Paul: Indeed. You mentioned for the opportunity to heal. I imagine many of us, part of
the barriers towards healing is more mental belief, emotional, we might have
been programmed when we were younger kids or just things in our
environment, the social, say, the narrative that we can't heal. How do you
support people's emotions as well or even the thought process, get them out of
rumination, whatever it might be?

Jessica: So many people, I will tell you, so many of my patients and clients have what I
consider medical PTSD or post-traumatic stress disorder from being told that
they were wrong or here's your lab. There's nothing wrong with you. That
oftentimes, that's a barrier to healing. They're so afraid to try new supplement.
They're so afraid to try even maybe an Epsom salt bath or an enema or
something. They're so afraid, because their body is unpredictable. They have no
idea how they're going to feel after something like this happens. So many
practitioners of the system as a whole has not been tender with them and
careful with how they feel. They really just take this and point blank, there's no
real emotion, or the art of medicine, if you will, has been lost. A lot of my job is
actually acting as a psychologist or a therapist to people, to be able to remove
those mental barriers that have not been placed there by them most of the time.
Really, it's a support system. It's me answering their emails.

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 It's me being attentive to them. It's me really looking to say, I'm never going to
make you do something that you're not ready for. Eventually, your disease state
is going to be worse on you than the fear of what's going to happen next. I don't
push people when they're not ready. I let them be who they are and how they
feel and encourage them as I can.

Paul: I love that. It sounds as if what you're focused on initially, certainly you're
interested in health and by health, I mean the health of our physical body. But
you're maybe more or at least equally concerned with their wellbeing, so you're
addressing your mental, emotional, spiritual health. Let's get you in good shape
there initially. Then, of course, we'll work on your body and your body health.

Jessica: I can always tell when I've taken it as physically far as I can and there's
something emotionally there or something traumatic, maybe from their
childhood that needs to be cleared that is not in my realm of expertise. I usually
try to refer out to trusted people who work on the mental and emotional for
those people when I can see there's a blockage there maybe from childhood. I'm
sure you know about adverse childhood event score. The more of those there
are, those adverse childhood events in childhood, the likely you are to end up
with an autoimmune condition that maybe needs hospitalization later in life.
This has to be addressed by practitioners. This is a missing link for people.

Paul: I'd like to add for the listeners, there's a huge literature validating just what you
said about adverse experiences. It takes us on a trajectory associated with quite
a number of physical health maladies. I wanted to circle back to the medical
PTSD, which is an interesting term as you said it and I've reflected on it. I have a
question, how much of that is due to -- so the areas that you focus on, the
stealth pathogens, for example, the metals, the toxicities, as we said earlier,
these are areas that are not typically appreciated, not so much tested for either.
So if I'm not feeling well because I have those things on board and I get my
standard set of labs and my physician says, you're good, there's nothing here,
that's a dissonance, right? If I hear that enough, yet I'm not feeling well. I'm
depressed. I'm fatigued chronically. What's wrong? I would start having a sense
of PTSD from that.

Jessica: You start to not trust your body. You're like, gosh, there's nothing wrong with
me, but what's wrong with my body. Am I crazy? The doctors are experts. They
tell me that everything's normal. But the problem I have is that no test is perfect.
Many physicians slide the labs across the people and act like it's the Bible or any
sort of religious texts perhaps and say, this is correct and you're wrong. It's these
tests, many blood tests, for example, in the lab work haven't changed for 30 to
50 years. They're what I consider archaic. So I am careful. If someone's liver
enzymes are elevated, by the way, maybe that's likely a pathogen. But people
are just saying, oh, you have fatty liver disease.

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 Well, that's not root cause for the patient. That's just letting it hang out there
without any sort of remedy for that. We have to look deeper as to what's causing
these organs to malfunction. When you do that enough to a person, they literally
do not trust their body after a time. You know how long that takes to unravel for
someone who has that trauma?

Paul: Long?

Jessica: A long time, yeah. A long time. Even women who have trauma from childbirth,
this is another form of trauma that's ignored in patients as well.

Paul: What are the some of the things that we can do now, starting now, to really
begin our own healing journey?

Jessica: This is a great question. I think people often don't know where to start. They just
say, I feel sick. I have no idea where to go. I don't have direction with
mainstream medicine for what I think is going on. What I like patients do, it's
very simple to be able to evaluate your organs if you ask the right questions. For
example, are you sleeping well? What I mean by that is when you get up in the
morning, do you feel rested, or do you feel like you haven't had any sleep at all
although you were lying in bed all night? That's a problem. There's something
behind that? If so, are you exhausted? Do you feel like you're in quicksand? It's
hard to get out of bed? You have brain fog? That's mitochondria perhaps that
needs to be evaluated. Do you have cellulite? You have pain, deep pain here? Do
you have lumps and bumps? That's your lymphatic system which is the sewer
system of your body? How about can you handle coffee, alcohol? How about
skipping meals? How are your blood sugars? That's your liver. Do you go to the
bathroom one to three times per day? If not, that's a problem. You're holding on
to toxins. These are how you evaluate all your different organs or what I call
drainage pathways. This lets you know where you're blocked. Because if any of
these are blocked and there's more, there's kidneys, there's lungs, there's bile,
there's all these ways to evaluate your organ systems. If you're blocked, what
that means is, if you're exposed to something, it enters the body, perhaps to the
lungs, perhaps through the skin, and then it sticks there. It sticks and it starts to
have other organ systems malfunction as one gets in trouble. This is how people
become blocked and toxicity stay in their body. They aren't in and out like
they're supposed to be. When people can evaluate that within themselves, they
can say, oh, I see where I'm malfunctioning now. I should be going to the
bathroom, or I should be feeling rested in the morning. Then at that point, you
know where to focus your attention in your body.

Paul: I very much appreciate that. Those are simple questions you asked about sleep,
energy during the day, lumps and bumps. But the way you ask and then you tie
them to the patient, what physiological organ system those symptoms are in

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 reference to? Then you target in. They then start to learn, oh, I'm having this
because of this, and this is very addressable, for example.

Jessica: Everyone can know this. Everyone, if they're taught properly, can understand
their bodies. It's amazing.

Paul: What are drainage pathways? You mentioned those words.

Jessica: Drainage pathways are the way your body's natural, innate ways of getting rid of
something that's not supposed to be inside of it. Really humans, medicine in
general cannot compete. We cannot compete with the body when it is
performing a peak performance. I kind of went over these a little bit. There's a
lovely drainage funnel that I use. It's actually upside down pyramid at the top of
this mitochondria. These are part of the drainage pathway system. They are the
ways your body makes cellular energy in every single cell. How do I expect your
organ systems to function properly if the cells that make up those very organs
aren't working properly? We always start with energy and mitochondria. Then
we move on to the glymphatic system or the brain. This is the brain drain. Your
brain drains at night when you sleep, guys. It actually has pores that open and
close and drain the cerebrospinal fluid into the interstitial fluid in the body, and
that happens when you sleep. Your brain doesn't drain well unless you're getting
restful sleep. That drains into the deep cervical lymph. There's the lymphatic
system, like I mentioned, the sewer system in the body. That's a drainage
pathway. The bile, which your body makes too, it's like a scrubber to digest your
food. That's a drainage pathway. It holds a lot of toxicities. Your bowel
movements, ways you release toxins, that's what bowel movements do. Then
the lungs, the liver, the kidneys, all these are different drainage pathways. If
you're not drinking enough water, you're not flushing toxicities. These are very
simple things that people need to understand how the body naturally works to
be able to evaluate whether you are where you need to be.

Paul: Personally, I was never educated that I have important drainage pathways,
honestly. So these are some of the frontline things you'll share with your
patients? They have an understanding of what drainage pathways are and, of
course, if you're not training, then that can lead to downstream product
illnesses, depending on which pathway we're speaking about?

Jessica: 100%. It's also really nice. If you like your patients, it's really nice to make sure
that they're open. Let's say you suspect a pathogen, you really want to make
sure they're open before you start killing and pulling things out of them. Because
if you kill things and their body can't release it, you're stirring up and
recirculating more toxins in the body, and they're going to feel like they have the
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 make sure they're prepared by opening drainage pathways before you go after
any sort of detox.

Paul: That helps explain something for me because I've had friends who read a book
on detox and they say, I'm going to do a detox diet, or whatever it is. They go in
deep and hard initially, and they're not well for days and could be many days
beyond. It takes them a while to recover from what they were doing that they
thought was going to make them feel better and more energetic. This is a
pathways issue?

Jessica: Yes, 100%. It decreases patient compliance, and they really feel terrible. You will
make your patients so happy if you prepare them beforehand. They will go
through a detox like what they expected it to be like and feel better.

Paul: Give us an example of preparing them ahead of time. What's an example of

something you commonly do that you might see often in your practice? You
have to prepare somebody for something? What do you have them do to prep
before the other therapy is done?

Jessica: The main thing I do, and it's kind of like cleaning up the pond scum out of the
pond beforehand. That's sort of what I'm doing. Remember, the mosquitoes are
not attracted to the pond. They're attracted to the pond scum. Toxicities attract
pathogens. What I have to do here is I have to make sure they're going to the
bathroom. They're having regular bowel movements. Putting someone on
binders starting a detox when someone's constipated is the absolute biggest no-
no ever. They will get in so much trouble. Sometimes this can be a real rate
limiting factor. For me, being successful on a cleanse or a detox is if patients
aren't going to the bathroom, which is why I really tell things like enemas,
colonics. I make sure everyone can sweat because I have a trademark protocol
called Kill, Bind, Sweat, which we'll probably talk about later. But you can sweat
out toxicities. Many heavy metals are more easily excreted through sweat than
even urine. If someone can't sweat, it shows me their lymph is blocked and their
mitochondria are blocked to make energy or heat. Obviously, I have to have
some go in the bathroom. I have to have enemas probably. I have to have them
sweating. An infrared sauna or Epsom salt detox fasts are necessary. Maybe even
two weeks before I start them on anything else. I have a few key products I use
to open the liver up, something like taurocholic acid, which is a water-soluble
bile acid which thins the bile. Because ultimately what I'm looking for is every
bodily fluid within the body is free flowing because it's going to get thick and
sticky that they stick in the body.

Paul: Yeah, please continue on that theme. You mentioned Kill, Bind, Sweat. It seems
like a perfect place to discuss that.

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Jessica: Yes. This was actually a fluke that this became very popular. I've always kind of
wanted people to sweat. They sort of know me as the infrared sauna queen, all
these things. I actually put up on social media a hashtag Kill, Bind, and Sweat,
and it sort of went viral. Everyone started tagging me in it because this is a very
sexy, edgy type of kill, bind, sweat. What is that? It's very edgy. So people want
to know about it. What that means is using an herbal antibiotics, something for
parasites, something like oil of oregano and a bunch of other different natural
anti-herbals to kill pathogens. This after drainage pathways are open, of course.
Then you will take a binder about 30 minutes after. A toxin binder is something
that is sticky enough or molecularly, let's say, negatively charged to pull out
heavy metals so that when it goes in the body, it pulls things out. Remember, I
have a subtractionist view that the body is never wrong. It's usually something
stuck inside of it unless you're malnourished. So that I need something that pulls
things that were killing out, mops up the toxins, if you will. Then I say, where are
those toxins going to get out? If you're pooping, okay, great. But let's get you in a
sauna right afterwards, so you can sweat it out. That's Kill, Bind, Sweat. It will
help people who are bloated. It'll help with mold, especially candida, bacterial
infections. Really the only things that don't benefit from this are pathogens that
are not killed by heat.

Paul: Then what do you do?

Jessica: Most of those pathogens that aren't killed by heat are that way because they
have a spore that protects them. You got to think about something like
Clostridium botuli, which causes botulism. Heat does not kill that pathogen.
That's why it's such a common foodborne illness-causing pathogen, if you will.
With those pathogens, they're usually anaerobic. So they don't do well in
oxygen, which is why I got certified in Ozone. We can give people Ozone sauna,
Ozone IVs, Ozone insufflations, and they don't stand a chance against
hyperoxygenation.

Paul: I see. This process of killing, binding, sweating.

Jessica: You got it. You got it.

Paul: Okay, good. Because while you're speaking, I was thinking about, what are the
things we can do on a simple day-to-day basis? You mentioned coffee. People
drink coffee. I drink coffee. But I also like to drink a variety of herbal teas often in
the afternoon or the evenings. Are there any teas specifically you could
recommend that just help, say, as a general tonic? It's probably not possible that
there's a tonic for all these pathways, but something that you recognize as a
great traditional medicinal herb in a tea form.

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Jessica: Yes. One of my favorite herbs is pau d' arco. Now that's one of the most antiviral,
antibacterial herbs out there. It will kill candida like that. It's amazing. I also
really like valerian tea, which is great too. I think that's for H pylori. Then there's
a microbiome tea out there that's really lovely too. Just in general, for people,
wellness is a lifestyle. It's not something you just kind of pick up and do off the
cuff. It's really a revolutionary change in who you are in your life and how you
choose to think and behave and your actions on a daily basis. I tell people,
sometimes diet isn't enough. You can eat like a champ. You can eat no processed
gluten, no processed dairy, no processed sugar, soy, all those things, and eat
totally organic and avoid glyphosate. But a blueberry won't pull out a mold
spore. You have to really look to your environment, look to your home. Make
sure there's not been water damage. You have to make sure every day you're
getting some sort of physical movement to move your lymphatic system. It's
really important even for good mental health to exercise if you have the ability
to do so. It is a privilege to move your body. It really is. It's a privilege that you
have. Really things that you would do to nurture a child. If you had a child, I want
you to think about how you nurture them and make them feel better. That's
what you should do for yourself. It is.

Paul: Love it. Thank you. That tea, the first tea you mentioned, can you spell it for
everyone who's listening?

Jessica: Yes, of course. It's P-A-U space D with an apostrophe space A-R-C-O, pau d' arco.

Paul: Okay, great.

J; It's from the South American rainforest.

Paul: Okay. Well, I want to switch gears now, and I want to switch to a medical topic
that's really been at the forefront of all of our lives these past many, many
months, and that's namely the SARS-CoV-2 virus and the COVID-19 disease. You
have two articles on your website very relevant to these topics. One is
preexisting conditions that we should all know about and then the other one, of
which I particularly want to speak about, is vaccines and informed consent. Jess,
let's start with the preexisting conditions. What do you want us to know about
regarding this COVID?

Jessica: We look at how ravaged the country and the US has been with the COVID, what
they're telling us has been COVID. You look at how different our lifestyles are in
the United States of America. We made McDonald's an essential business for
God's sakes. So that is inherently tells a problem in this country but what we
choose to make relevant and not relevant. A lot of people have been
miseducated about what real health is, what real diseases. They haven't been
told the truth. Our government subsidizes GMO corn, sugar, processed dairy,

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 factory farming. That's why those relevant items are so affordable for people, so
much more affordable. Then things like a salad is $10, or something organic is
not reachable for a lot of people in this country if they're not making a certain
income. That is inherently what's wrong with the country, the diet, the
miseducation of the diet. Then on top of that, you have people with metabolic
disease, which is things like cardiac disease, diabetes, being overweight. All of
these things add into what we know as a predisposing factor. However, what is
underlying all of that is mitochondrial dysfunction. The mitochondria are the
powerhouses of the cell. They are these oblong organelles, and they make ATP
or cellular energy in every single cell, the red blood cells. What happens is
cancer, diabetes, all metabolic disease have an underlying predisposing factor of
mitochondrial dysfunction or due to environmental toxins. Doctors will tell you
that you can inherit a congenital inherited mitochondrial disease. However, now
studies are showing this can also happen. Mitochondrial dysfunction where
things aren't working at peak performance can't happen due to environmental
toxicities and that's not showing in science. This is something that I feel is being
overlooked. We don't have bloodwork or tests that test properly for
mitochondrial health. This is something that we have bloodwork that hasn't
changed sometimes 30 to 50 years. Doctors slide the labs over to you and they
say, you're fine and you were healthy and you've got COVID and you almost died,
but you are healthy. How do we know that if we can't properly evaluate the
cellular contents?

Paul: Indeed. In that article, you mentioned the importance of terrain, which I know
you're touching on right now, speaking about the various pollutants that we
certainly do accumulate. Can you speak about terrain specifically in the context
of this COVID phenomenon?

Jessica: Absolutely. I feel as though terrain theory has been tried to be debunked by
science. I want to stress that in my personal and professional opinion, it's just as
important as germ theory. Just like you would knowingly go have unprotected
sex with someone with HIV probably, you also need to tend to your train just as
much as you're diligent about that. That means what you put in your body does
affect how your overall body functions and stays in homeostasis. What is
important is that the body, all organs are talking. All chemical and neuropeptides
are functioning at peak performance and that takes the whole system running
effectively. If you have things like endocrine disruptors and hormone disruptors
from plastics and phthalates in your body. You have forever chemicals known as
flame retardants from Teflon in your body, which all 99% of civilized people do,
now the cause of DuPont. Then all these things start to affect how chemical
processes run together. That's our terrain theory. I don't want people to feel
powerless. I want them to feel empowered because so much of what you're
exposed to is in your control. You have the ability to be educated and change
your lifestyle from a toxin standpoint where you don't have exposome full of

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 toxicities all the time. That absolutely determines when 100 people go into a
room, why maybe a portion of them don't get sick. What's the difference? It's
not just in their genes.

Paul: Yeah, that's very interesting, because we've seen that again and again. I have
just networks of friends and family. I so appreciated that summary you just gave
us. For me, personally, it's been very disappointing that we haven't in the
primary narrative coming out of the CDC and elsewhere emphasizing other
things to do to take care of ourselves besides a mask and potentially a vaccine.
All those things you were just describing help strengthen our body-mind system.
There's plenty of literature and psychoneuroimmunology and elsewhere showing
that all those factors have a direct effect on the immune system, which gets
back, I think, to your point just there as one of the observations why some do
and some don't get it. That's independent of so-called chronic diseases too
where I think over half of Americans have at least one anyway. I think
approximately a third have more than one. Yes, I appreciate your message, all
the things we can do to empower ourselves. One of those, of course, is
knowledge, and that brings me to my second question. This has to do with
informed consent. I want to read a few things I was looking online, the CDC
website. COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. I want to ask about the safe
part specifically because from the medical systems point of view, what does safe
typically mean? Or if you want to speak to safe and effective, that's fine. Then I
have a follow-up question.

Jessica: That's a great question. I do often wonder what their subjective viewpoint of
safe and effective means. In the studies, which often have conflicts of interest.
Some of them don't. You always have to look who's writing the paper and
publishing, of course, and what their financial contribution is to that. A lot of the
studies say, oh, there's no immediate reaction, right? Nothing happens within
the first few weeks, so they must be safe and effective. But people don't take
into account that some of these reactions don't occur immediately. Toxin load
has a cumulative or entourage effect on us. Babies do have up to 300 different
toxins in the umbilical cord blood they're exposed to. This does have a
cumulative effect on people and everyone's genes are very bioindividual. To say
things are safe and effective for a few of the thousands of people they study, not
everyone is the same and not everyone has the same exposome or everything
we've been exposed to over a lifetime. Yes, in a toxic world where corporations
are doing nothing but polluting us, we probably do need toxic vaccines to protect
us in some way. That's the world they're trying to create.

Paul: The safe side, for example, if I go to the CDC website, and as you know, there's
the vaccine adverse event reporting system, the VAERS. Again, I just want to
understand if you could help us understand this idea of safe. There are many
side effects that are listed now -- headache, fatigue, dizziness, chills, nausea,

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 Bell's palsy, getting more serious there, dyspnea, fever, and anaphylaxis. Now, to
me, I would like to know that ahead of time, particularly if I've had anaphylactic
reactions to prior flu vaccines or to a host of other things. But my provider, this is
very safe and I'm giving it and I didn't know just that little list, this could be a
problem for me. If I can follow up because I used to do a fair amount of clinical
trials on pharmaceutical drugs many years ago, mainly in the cardiac disease
class. There are numerous side effects and those are spelled out to us ahead of
time. If I go to the pharmacy to fulfill one, advertisements online, as you know,
drug advertisements, even when we conduct our clinical trials, we would sit
down, have an informed consent sheet. I would say, look, these things could
happen. It might not happen, probably won't. You're young, you're healthy,
whatever, but it could happen. That was just normal fair and then people can
decide. What's in their best interest? Or if they have a vulnerability, then I get to
know that then. I haven't seen that here unless I'm missing it.

Jessica: No. I think the powers that be have done a really good job in instilling fear even
in the physicians who are working in the hospitals with all the COVID patients.
There's been a fair amount of fear and one solution only pumped out. The
doctors, we are taught to trust the system. We are taught to trust authority and
the people, the Rockefeller-based medicine that was taught to us. We are. It's
very hard to break through that conditioning. I think that I've never seen a
physician that I worked with show a patient a package insert. I have trouble
myself finding package insert of any of them, in our Pfizer COVID-19
vaccinations. They tell the doctors they're safe and effective. They don't tell the
doctors the side effects. Most doctors don't even know about VAERS or vaccine
adverse reaction system or surveillance. They don't even tell I didn't know about
that, as a medical doctor, as a hospitalist for seven years. That's very telling. If
the doctors don't know about the adverse reporting system, they don't see those
reactions, we're taught to bang your drum all day long they're safe and effective,
it's blatant right there on the CDC's website and we're taught to trust the
system, then all odds are really against us for a little while until you see a new
perspective for whatever reason.

Paul: Indeed. I want to particularly bring attention for listeners of the summit to the
anaphylaxis. It's an uncommon response to the vaccine, but it has happened. I
was reading a review article last week in the New England Journal of Medicine. It
went through the incidence rates. Again, they're low, but they happen, but they
happen within 15, typically to 30 minutes of the vaccine, sometimes out a couple
of hours. What I didn't see discussed, and I don't know if you know about this, is
there are many driving vaccine stations now. In San Diego, there's Petco Park.
You're just driving your car. You roll up your sleeve, and you go home. Now, if I
had an anaphylactic history and I didn't get this informed consent that you were
just sharing, I'm 15 minutes into home, 30 minutes, that's bad for me, it's bad I'm

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 on the freeway. What kind of information is provided to folks pulling up in these
centers? Do you happen to know that?

Jessica: I don't know. Actually, I haven't been to one of those centers. I do know if you're
at the hospital somewhere stationary, like you said, they watch you for 15 to 30
minutes. But it's actually I see a number of nurses who had to get the shot
because of their job. I see them because they're having abnormal vaccine
reactions to the shot. I mean, bleeding and petechiae and nausea and fatigue
and all kinds still months out. They're antibodies for their thyroid shot up the
roof after the vaccine. These things are not told to patients, or they feel forced
because they're being mocked at their workplace. It's like pack mentality right
now, clear division of the people. Yeah, the anaphylaxis is completely worrisome
to me. That's because of polyethylene glycol, which is a preservative in the
vaccine. It's highly allergenic for some people. It also has been some reports of it
being carcinogenic or causing cancer. It's used as a preservative. It is usually
what's setting those people off in these vaccine reactions you might be hearing
about. I don't really know what happens in the drive-throughs. It is concerning if
they're not making people pull over and watch them for 15 minutes when this is
a standard of care elsewhere.

Paul: Yeah, indeed. Thank you for that. I'm really grateful that you wrote those articles
because then I saw them, and we had the opportunity to discuss these topics. I
just want to emphasize for listeners to the summit, be as informed as you can
possibly get yourselves and make proper decisions for your own health and
wellbeing.

Jessica: Amen.

Paul: Amen to that. Jess, thank you so much for participating in the summit. I've really
enjoyed our time together. I know your website is on your page, the summit
page, and people can go to that and learn more about you and your work.

Jessica: I'm very honored. Thank you.

Paul: Yep. Take good care.

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