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Art and Science of Sound

Healing for Optimizing
Health and Wellbeing
Eileen Day McKusick, MA

Nathan: Hello, everybody. Welcome to this
really special interview for the Wisdom of the
Body masterclass. I am Nathan Crane. I’m
really happy that you’re joining us for these in-
depth interviews. These interviews are really an
opportunity for us to go deeper, into some of this
incredible work that helps us discover not only the
wisdom of our own bodies, but how energy and
sound and electromagnetism is a deeper part of
our health, and wellbeing, and vitality, and mental
clarity, and happiness.
And I’m really excited and honored to have really
an old friend. Somebody who we connected
many years ago, at a conference we both were
teaching at in San Diego to be here with us. We
reconnected recently at another conference which
is actually quite funny the synchronicities of life.
So I’m so happy. Eileen McKusick is here with us
to really talk about sound and sound healing, and
the benefits and the science and what you can do
at home, and how it can be impactful in your own
life, your own body, mental clarity, wellbeing.
I think there’s nobody really better on the planet
to talk about this, who has really so many years of
experience than Eileen. So I’m going to read her
short bio and then we’re going to bring her on.
And we’re going to have a little of an experience
as well, so definitely looking forward to that. But
Eileen is a researcher and author and inventor
and an educator, who has been studying the
effects of sound on the human body since 1996.
She’s the author of the best-selling books, Tuning
the Human Biofield and Electric Body, Electric Health.
And she’s also the founder of the sound therapy
method biofield tuning. Her website where you
can get her books, check she has a great audio
you can download for free that I was looking at
earlier is electrichealth.com. Eileen, thank you so
much for being with us.
Eileen: Thanks, Nathan. It’s great to be with you.
Nathan: Hey, so let’s start a little bit about the
foundation of sound healing, for people maybe
it’s either new to them or they’re kind of diving in
a little bit deeper. What does some of our science
say about sound healing? What are the benefits
of sound healing? Who can sound healing help? Is
it for everybody? Is it not for everybody? Help us
understand how you came to discover this work
in your own life. And what you’ve discovered over
the years that lay a foundation for what sound
healing is and how we can benefit from it?
Eileen: Sure, Well sound healing it’s a very broad
topic and it basically includes music therapy.
Music therapy is something that most people
are familiar with in some way or another. But
it can also include the use of instruments like
bells, bowls, gongs, tuning forks like I use.
The Aboriginals of Australia have been using
didgeridoos for healing for over 40,000 years.
When you think about chanting and temple
bells, it’s really considered to be the oldest form
of healing. And think about Native American
shamans with drums and rattles and particular
songs.

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The sort of formal definition of sound healing
is that its intention is to bring us into a relaxed,
present aware state, alert, aware, relaxed, and
present. And if you think about the sound of even
a chime and how it brings your attention, out of
the thinking mind. I think that the biggest plague
that I see that troubles people is their thinking
minds that they can’t control.
And that is in the beta brainwave state, where you
have all of these thinking going on. And when you
listen, whether it’s to chimes or forks or birds or
waves, you come down into the alpha brainwave
state. And that just settles you. It lowers your
heart rate. It deepens your breathing. It helps
to bring you into this present moment because
when we’re off in the future worrying about this
or that or we’re thinking about the past we’re not
in the present moment.
And it really is a kind of a form of insanity that
most people are really suffering from. They’re not
present fully when you talk to them. We’re also
distracted and fragmented and pulled in many
different directions. And so I think many people
end up just feeling exhausted, kind of broken,
stuck.
And in my observation of 25 years now of using
tuning forks, sound has this amazing centropic
ability. And centropy lot of people don’t know
that word. Most of us know what entropy is.
Entropy is the tendency of things to kind of fall
apart. A tree falls in the forest and then it turns
into soil like that’s an entropic process. Centropy
is the opposite. It’s the tree growing in the forest.
Centropy is the force that brings order to things.
And so sound used in the right way helps to bring
us back into order, back into harmony. So when
life is really alive, it’s very harmonious. And we as
humans are actually built for harmony. What I call
our factory settings, are actually in perfect tune
with nature and with the cosmos. And what we’re
suffering from individually and as a planet, as a
collective of humans is that we’ve all gone terribly
out of tune.
Nathan: Interesting, that’s an interesting way to
look at it, is being in tune or out of tune. Which
when we talk about being in tune instrumentally
speaking we’re talking about harmonies. And
there are so many different kinds of harmonies
that you might play on a guitar, for example,
there’s so many different kinds of tuning. But
anybody who’s ever played an instrument or ever
heard an instrument that is slightly out of tune,
that instrument doesn’t sound good. And it’s out
of harmony and you don’t feel good when you
hear that sound. You just turn that knob a little bit
It gets right in tune. And all of a sudden that guitar
sounds like just a beautiful, magical instrument
from the heavens if you will.
So it’s interesting to think about our lives and our
minds and our bodies either being in tune or out
of tune. And when we say in tune or out of tune,
what do you mean by that? If somebody’s out of
tune or in tune, what are they in tune or out of
tune with? And how does either one impact their
life?
Eileen: Well, we get out of tune in the same
way that cars and instruments get out of tune,
use, wear and tear, life, fender benders. We
all encounter non-beneficial inputs that then
resonate inside of us. The alcoholic rangerholic
father, the neurotic mother, the critical school
teacher, the abusive ex, I mean there are so many
things that life sort of bends and dings us, and
then we just don’t play right anymore. We go flat
in certain areas, our heart might go flat, the liver
might go sharp, and your brain might go all static.
There’s no end of ways that we can blow stress
gaskets and just start to not sound beautiful
anymore, not feel beautiful, and not feel good.
And the amazing thing about our bodies is that
just like if you cut yourself, your skin repairs,
you don’t have to do anything. Your body is self-
repairing. The body is also self-tuning. And when
it gets feedback of its own noise, and this is what
we do with tuning forks is we bounce sound off
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different areas like if they’re not healthy, if they’re
not moving correctly, if you have a really good
mechanic they can get in your car and donka,
donka what’s happening? Oh yeah, that’s the left
rear CV boot, you didn’t know that but they can
tell by that sound and our bodies are the same
way. So if you have arthritis in a joint and I bounce
sound off it’s going to come back with a grainy
quality to the tone.
Nathan: Really?
Eileen: And I’m like a mechanic. It doesn’t mean
anything to you that sound, but I know from
experience that particular noise means this. That
this is arrhythmic heart or this is a fatty liver, or
this spleen and pancreas are all in a bunch and
not working properly.
Nathan: You personally can tell that with just
doing tuning folks with somebody?
Eileen: Yes, my brain becomes like an ultrasound
machine. Because in the sound and the same
principles the ultrasound will show a picture
bouncing sound like here’s the baby. We are much
more complex than an ultrasound machine. And
if we just are quiet inside and we trust the subtle
impressions we get, we can learn to hear and see
and understand this. And I’ve trained thousands
of people, Nathan, to do this work. And not only
pathologies can be identified, but also persistent
emotional states.
[10:00]
Every single emotion just like in music, if you and I
are listening to a sad song, Nathan, I don’t have to
look at you and say, “Nathan, this song is sad.”
Nathan: Right.
Eileen: Dah, the song is sad. And it’s the same way
with the tuning forks. When they get into areas in
our body’s electrical system that are holding the
information of a sad experience, a sad memory
of sad tendency, they actually sound like sad
music. It’s so interesting. Music is really speaking
to this fundamental vibrational language that
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we’re all communicating in all the time. We’re
all giving off vibes. We’re all feeling each other’s
vibes. And what’s amazing is that animals speak
the exact same vibrational language. So when
they feel fear, they are feeling this pulsing doo,
doo kind of wave form. And when we feel fear
we feel the same thing. That’s how dogs from far
away they don’t have to smell you to know you
are afraid. They feel your vibes traveling through
our electromagnetic environment, picking it up in
their electromagnetic.
I love what, Bruce Lipton, talks about the primary
cilia on cell membranes. There are little antennas
that are constantly picking up and transmitting
vibrational information. So we have actual
biological apparatuses for sending and sensing
vibes. And even plants what I’ve found speak the
same language. So all of nature can communicate
in this very fundamental pure language of
vibration. What happens is that we end up with
noise and resistance in our body’s electrical
system. We get full of static and places where
things are just stuck and bunched up.
Trauma makes you tense up. And so we end up
with lots of deep tension holding our electric
potential. And so sound has the ability to go into
the tissues to open up space, to interrupt the
patterns of holding and allow that energy that’s
been held in resistance to now enter into a state
of flow. And the flow and harmony are what
the body needs in order to repair itself and to
function optimally, so by treating the electrical
system, by getting past the flesh.
So many people are really hung up on the clean
diet thing at the moment. And what I’ve found is
that when your electrical system is really healthy
and your voltage is optimized, you have the right
amount of electricity running through you, you
can really actually enjoy pizza and cheeseburgers
and ice-cream. I ate a whole pine of ice cream
last night and I just like combusted it. I didn’t feel
sick afterwards. I didn’t worry it made me gain
weight I just hadn’t eaten much for a few days. I
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was hungry I’m going to take this opportunity to
down a pint, and really with gusto and relish and
enjoyment and not guilt, because we get all weird
out with food and guilt. If your energy is high
you’re resilient, your immunity is high.
I’m going tell you something you’re going really
enjoy this little fact Nathan. So our electrical
system and most people don’t even know we have
an electrical system because we’re not taught
about it. But it powers your heart and your brain
and your bones and your blood, like everything’s
electric running through the body. Anything that
has an electric current running through it has a
magnetic field around it.
So this whole electrical system in its entirety is
what we call the biofield. And it’s the part that’s
there when you’re alive and when you’re dead
and your light goes out. That’s the part of you
that’s left. So this is the part of us that’s like really
fundamentally us, is our body’s light, our electrical
system. And it’s biological, like it’s not just like
some spiritual concept that may or may not exist.
Modern science loves to tell us we have no soul,
like you might not have a soul.
And I see it as our conscious mind, our
subconscious mind, where all of our memories
are stored. And if you think about it, every single
thing we see and smell and taste and hear
and feel and experience is all electromagnetic
experience. So it makes sense that all of our
memories are stored in our body’s electrical
system. And that’s what I’ve discovered is that in
the magnetic field around the body that is where
all our memories appear to be stored.
And so if you fell out of a tree when you were five
and got a head injury I know exactly where to find
that in your field. Or if your dad left when you
were 10 and life was really difficult, like I know
exactly where to find that memory. And so we can
stick a fork in that particular part of your field and
hear and feel what you felt at that time. And then
your body will go wow I sound so out of tune, and
it will start to deeply relax and adjust itself so that
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it hears itself as more harmonious and bring it
[cross talk 00:15:28].
Nathan: That’s what we call resonance. That’s
your body’s cellular electromagnetic field that
starts to resonate with those harmonious sounds
that’s being reflected off of it, which leads me to
cellular healing which is why sound healing works
because of that resonance and then as the cells
balance to become harmonious, then they start to
heal themselves.
Eileen: Yeah then they start making music
instead of noise. And it just becomes groovier
environment in your body because everything is
making music and doing what it’s supposed to
do. And then when your body is groovy like life
becomes groovy. And even the people around you
become groovier because you’re just giving off
that vibe, it becomes a network. And so then the
party happens wherever you go. But if you’re out
of tune and out of sorts it’s very hard to connect
with people, it’s hard to feel joy, it’s hard to keep
your acts together. And it’s not your fault; it’s just
that your electrical system is in disarray.
And fixing it isn’t really that hard, which is amazing
is that this whole idea, this entrainment this
is a very basic physics principle of resonance
and entrainment. So the tuning fork will initially
resonate with the distortion so we can identify
it, but then the stronger coherent signal entrains
the body into a coherent expression. So the body
wants to and that’s why somebody with good
vibes will entrain you into a much better place.
Whereas I don’t know about you, but I’ve definitely
been at some conferences where there have
been speakers, who I remember one well-
known speaker in particular who was running
on adrenaline. And just listening to him I could
feel my adrenals pouring in my body and I’m
yawning, and my back hurts, I’m tired. I’m like,
“Oh my God I’m being entrained into this person’s
irresponsible vibe.” As a wellness educator, this
person is the tuning fork. And the vibe that they’re
giving off is one of complete exhaustion. And I
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really resented being entrained into that. So we
were all responding and entraining to each other
and to our environment all the time.
Nathan: That’s a really interesting concept to
help us become aware of when that’s happening
to us, where we’re being entrained into maybe
a negative paradigm of thought and belief and
energy. Or being influenced through the energy
of somebody who’s really hyped up or really
inspirational or whatever. And just recognizing it
and just having awareness of it is the first step.
I wanted to mention a couple of things. As you
were talking that came to mind is we do put a lot
of energy and time into diet and clean diet and
diet. I work with thousands of people with cancer.
And diet is a big part; everyone wants to know the
anti-cancer diet. And there’s a lot of science that
supports that. But what I’ve discovered over the
years is I would personally consider maybe 20% of
your health and healing protocol. It’s important,
but it’s not everything. And the 80% is mind,
emotions, relationships, energy, belief, systems,
environment in the body’s cellular environment,
our thinking, our behavior, our lifestyle choices.
Like 80% I think is here and 20% yet too far.
Too often we put 80% of our time and energy on
the 20% which we know that doesn’t work out
very well. And so I think when people are putting
their time and energy into recalibrating their
energy, and doing the sound healing, and the
energetic work, and the mental emotional healing,
and all of these aspects that makes us a full
human being. And then they optimize their diet,
they’ll see a nice little boost and increase there
because food is energy and you’re either eating
dead energy, there’s food that is completely dead,
devoid of energy, it’s been processed six levels
away from its natural energetic form. And you’re
basically eating dead food or you’re eating food
that’s bringing energy to your life.
And I love what you said about like look, “If
you’re going to eat something that may not be
considered super healthy for you, if you put that
positive energy into it and the thoughts into it
and like, “You know what? I’m going to enjoy this.
This is going to be good for my body.” And you
do that once in a while maybe not every day all
day with bad food all the time. But once in a while
and you feel good about it, your body is going to
transmutate that, it’s going not to get stuck.
[20:00]
But then you put negative thinking into it and
you’re like, “Oh my God, this is the worst thing.
I shouldn’t be eating this, but I’m still eating, I’m
so guilty I’m eating it. Oh my God, I shouldn’t be
eating this ice cream.”
Now you’re literally infusing that negative energy
into the food, into your body which what I teach
people is what you put on your body, what you
put in your body and here talking with you I’d
say, “What you surround around your body as
well, energetically becomes your body. Your
cells literally become that which you put on in or
around it.” So I think that was a really great point
to talk a little bit about.
Eileen: I’m happy to hear you say that, Nathan,
because there’s been times when I have said,
“Hey, if your voltage is high enough, it don’t really
matter what you eat.” And obviously we have to
not eat all dead food. But when I say that I mean I
just think there’s so many people that are just so
anal about food. And I’m of the opinion that if 80%
of what you eat is pretty whole and pretty living,
then you can have 20% dead food and enjoy it,
that 80-20 principle. Just like make 80% of it good.
I eat a lot of berries. I love berries. It’s strawberry
season right now in Vermont and I’m just getting
them in. I love sprouts, the micro greens and
things that just have a lot of life in them.
Nathan: And you don’t need much of it. That’s
why what we call weeds which are really medicine;
you don’t need a lot of it to get the benefit
because it’s so full of life energy. But I wanted to
mention one of the things that I wanted to ask
you, a fundamental question about sound healing.

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So I did a documentary, it should be on YouTube I
think a while back a year or two ago, about a man
named Otis Walden who started studying wisdom,
healing, Qigong from master Mingtong Gu, Qigong
master teacher that’s here actually in Santa Fe and
who’s teaching modules during this wisdom of the
body master class.
And Otis was diagnosed with cancer, so this is
a good example of what you’re talking about.
He didn’t necessarily change his diet; he didn’t
necessarily change like what he was putting in his
body. He went deep into sound healing. And so
wisdom healing Qigong brings thousands of years
of sound healing training through yourself. It
teaches you through your own voice to do sound
healing. This sounds like sheeeeeeeeennnn. We
know a lot of the yogic sounds the Om. These
kinds of sounds that teaches you what’s called the
five organ sound healing system. Three sounds
for every organ system in the body so there’s 15
sounds.
He went into deep sound healing, hours a day an
hour or two hours three hours a day. And every
time he’d go back in for his next checkup every
few months that cancer just kept shrinking and
shrinking. That tumor kept getting smaller and
smaller and smaller. And the primary thing he
did to do that was the sound healing practice. I’m
sure you have hundreds if not more of incredible
stories of people you’ve worked with. That’s
just one I can think of that was his main thing is
sound healing and he literally watched the cancer
continue to shrink and shrink. It got so small
they were able to do some cryoablation, basically
freeze it and then it was gone.
But along the way he discovered through that
process what caused the cancer in the first
place. And it was this fear, was holding onto this
fear for so long. Fear of basically the end of the
world, the planet not being sustainable, people
destroying the planet, because he’s very much
into sustainability and the environment. And he
was able to finally let go of that at the same time
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and cancer was gone. And I thought what an
incredible story? Or an incredible testament to
the power of sound and the sounds that we even
holding ourselves and the sounds that you carry
with the tuning forks and things like that.
So anyway, I wanted to share that and I wanted
to ask you a basic question. In your experience,
25 years of doing this work, have you found that
there are some sounds that are better than other
sounds? Do all sounds have healing benefits or
what do you need to look for when you’re doing
sound healing? Like what specific kind of sounds
and have you found to really bring the most
benefit to people?
Eileen: There’s a lot of different ways to answer
that question. I was just part of a panel recently
with a group of different people. And, Nathan,
you’ve probably had this experience, it’s a virtual
panel. And one of the presenters was one of those
people who goes on and on and on and on.
Nathan: It wasn’t me, was it?
Eileen: It wasn’t you. Her voice actually hurt my
body. I was like, “It just hurts to listen to her.” And
there was another person who was also there at
the same time who, when this person spoke it was
like his voice was healing. And what he was saying
was wise, and useful, and succinct. And then this
person in contrast was coming from a place of
insecurity and ego and not having their needs met
and trying to be. And so just in the voice alone,
our own voice can be pleasing to us and healing,
just as what you experienced with was his name?
Otis?
Nathan: Otis, yeah.
Eileen: That’s a great name. Actually, it’s kind of
interesting you’re talking about the 15 sounds
in that tradition, because I’ve been collaborating
with two musicians, Australian brothers by the
name Brothers Koren. And I signed up with
them to co-write and record two songs together,
because after years of playing with tuning forks
and really experiencing the marginalization of
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a sound healer. Not so much now, but when I
started working with tuning forks in Connecticut
in 1996. And I told people that I was doing sound
healing with tuning forks, I got dismissed by just
about everybody. They were like, “Sound healing.
I’ve never heard of that.” It was like that.
Nathan: Well, I think even I don’t remember what
I was; it was probably 9, 10 years ago. We spoke at
a Christina’s conference in San Diego; even then
it was still not nearly as widely as understood or
accepted as now. So if we go back to the 1990’s
and people probably thought you were totally
nuts.
Eileen: Yeah, but I persisted because I was seeing
and observing cool outcomes. But for a long
time, the response from the general public was
[dismissing sound] and that’s a big part of what
drove me to understand the science behind
it. What’s really happening here, and can we
describe this scientifically so that it doesn’t seem
woo. So fundamentally sounds that are coherent,
that are orderly, that are harmonious entrain
us into a state of harmony. And sounds that are
dissonant, I’m sure everybody’s got a refrigerator
out there or some fluorescent lights or leaf
blowers or lawn mowers in the background,
sounds of nature, it’s 4 O’clock in the morning
right now. And the birds are going off, that is
healing, that is so healing to just go and listen to
the birds by a brook. You don’t get more healing
than that.
And I think sometimes people want to make
sound healing more fancy or more complicated
or more expensive than it needs to be. Because
you don’t need to spend any money or really
get any help to experience the benefit of sound.
Whether it’s through your own voice, find some
chants that you like, and play around with those.
Play around with Om. How does it feel to move
it around in your body? What I’ve done with the
Brothers Koren is we’ve come up with 24 sounds
that move through different parts of the body. We
call it the sonic anatomy. And most of them are
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primal roots sounds that infants make exploring
the potential of their own instrument. Sounds like
wa and ga and ma and pa. And we found that they
resonate in different areas.
So we take people through these 24 sounds and
suddenly their voice isn’t just coming from up
here. It’s coming from all these different places
in their body that they’ve sounded. And then
just having a voice becomes more playful. Just
remember it’s by our word that we create our
life. Our word is so powerful and it’s not just the
words we say, but the tone, and the speed, and
the inflection. And the way the amount of love or
bitterness or whatever is in them is all incredibly
creative.
[30:00]
And so the best healing sound is your own
voice speaking with beauty, because it’s so
easy especially right now in the world to speak
with judgment, with self-righteousness, with
frustration, with despair. And that is what we’re all
collectively creating. But if we start to speak with
appreciation, that was something that I brought
up with the conference, is this whole idea of
leading in a spirit of appreciating. Appreciating
yourself, appreciating the world around you,
people around you, then you start to bring out the
best, so speaking with appreciation will very, very
healing and it’s totally free.
Nathan: Beautiful, what a fundamental concept
there that is so simple and so powerful? We all
know the feeling of just going hiking into the
woods and listening to the birds and sitting and
listening to the creek. And it’s so healing. Not only
the energy coming off of the trees and the leaves
and the plants, but the sounds, but the sounds
that can just drift you into beautiful meditation or
a nice nap, it’s so healing.
So I wanted to ask you a couple of questions
and I’d love for you to maybe give us a little bit
of example of your work. So I have a hundred
questions I want to ask you. You don’t have time
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for all of them, but more and more keep coming.
But you mentioned this project you were working
on with these brothers, is that something people
can access now? Or is it coming out soon? Where
can we learn about that?
Eileen: Yeah, so what we ended up creating is
a program called Sing the Body Electric. So my
background in electric health and sound healing,
and their background, they had a band, they
played in what are those called? The big places,
they’re not coliseums. What are they called?
Stadiums, that they played and opened for big
names, but discovered the ugliness of the music
industry and decided that what they really wanted
to do is help other people to sing. So they have
this program called Your Big Voice. And they take
people who are like, “Hey. I really want to learn
how to sing. And I actually want to go so far as to
record,” and they help you write songs. So they
do it in classes and in groups and then they do
individuals.
And so I was working with them on an individual
journey, and really much to our surprise,
whenever the three of us would get together
this information would just come through us?
We wouldn’t even be trying, we wouldn’t be say,
“Okay, we’re going to sit down we’re going to
channel this.”No, we would just happen. And so
we put together this whole body of work, sonic
anatomy is part of it. But we also explore my
understanding of what I call the biofield anatomy.
And the awareness that when you have issues in
different parts of your body, in different organs,
in different zones, in different joints, that there’s
an underlying mental emotional imbalance there
that’s really consistent from person to person.
So for example, everybody that I ever worked on
who has right hip issues has a busy mind and a
busy body. They’re like, go, go. They’ve got a to-
do list going. And that displaces their electrical
energy, it shifts over to the right side of the hip.
And so this electrical energy that’s supposed
to be providing information, order, structure
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and function to the physiology is now off the
boat. You’re literally beside yourself, yes. And so
understanding the biofield anatomy, knowing that
sadness tends to accumulate here, we make sad
sounds, and play sad chords, and we get everyone
to be sad and express sadness. And then we
come to a neutral place, and then we come to the
resolution or the opposite. So sadness turns into
joy and you get to feel what that feels like in your
body. Fear resolves into harmony, which is so
beautiful.
The whole opposite of fear is love. But what we
found was no, that fear when it resolves, resolves
into the state of nature which is harmony in us.
And really that’s what’s going on here, underneath
everything is harmony all the time in us, around
us. It’s just our own tempest in a teapot that
obstructs us from that. And so having this
understanding of the fluidity and the location and
the sounds of different emotions helps people
to really understand and connect with their own
feelings. Because we’re so disconnected from our
feelings, and yet our feelings exquisite awareness
of our own emotional movements is a major
cornerstone in being healthy. And it’s one that
isn’t really talked about very much.
And what I have found is the basis of biofield
tuning, what I’m treating in people is emotions
that they don’t know what to do with. So people
suppress, they stuff and blow, or they deny, or
they vibe high so that they’re not feeling shame,
or they shop, or they smoke, or they drink, or
they take pills. But if we can learn to understand
and respond to and express in a healthy way in
music and voice, this is the best way to do that.
And then that brings us into a state of flow of just
recognizing and moving with and being moved by
and expressing how we feel. And not buttoning
it in and holding it back. I say most people are
emotionally constipated and then they just get
in their own way. And when we can learn to flow
with our feelings, that’s so important. So that’s
part of the exercise.
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And the whole program is designed to bring you
into your body to understand your electric body
or electric soul, your electric voice and have fun
with it, because one of the greatest joys of being
human is playing with our own instruments. I
don’t know Nathan have you ever sung in a group
but it feels so good. You know making music or
even in a road trip with friends and everybody’s
singing at the top of their lungs you are carpool
karaoke. It makes you high. It raises your voltage.
It brings up joy, like nothing works better than
that you know really. So that’s the aim of Sing The
Body Electric, is to bring people into that place
of natural joy of expression without judgment
stories ink that we all have. So we’re actually
going to be live at SLN September, 17 to 19 . And
th th
we’ve done it virtually a couple of times so we’ll
probably do another virtual.
And we’re actually going to do a certification to
teach people to teach the 24 tones of the sonic
anatomy. Because it’s such a useful practice for
voice coaches, for drama coaches, for sound
therapists, sound healers. Because when I work
on someone from the outside with the tuning
forks, like say we’re working on the heart and the
heart’s all like [wrinkle sound]. And I can adjust
energy from the outside, but then they can say,
“Yeeeeeaaaah.” and feel it opening from the
inside. So that’s the best combination is when you
get somebody helping you, and you’re also doing
it yourself with your own voice.
Nathan: Yeah, that’s really powerful. They did
this kind of a little bit of a research of master
Mingtong. He was leading sounds and they
had people following the sounds. These were
Parkinson’s patients and Parkinson’s patients have
a really tough time producing dopamine. And so
they were measuring the dopamine levels when
the person was listening to the sound. They were
measuring dopamine levels when the person
was practicing the sound, and then measuring
dopamine levels when they were practicing with
the teacher at the same time, with Mingtong at
the same time. And they found out that every
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time practicing themselves their dopamine went
up here above baseline.
Just listening to the sounds, the dopamine
went up even higher. And then practicing it and
listening they went up like super high above
normal; you don’t even have drugs that can do
that. And this is just sounds. But it’s like this
is your life’s work and it’s so powerful and so
beautiful. To think about all these different kinds
of ways of using sound to help us raise every
aspect of our health and wellbeing. We ask all of
our speakers on the event two questions. I ask
everybody these two questions at the end. And
the first question, it’s called the wisdom of the
body master class. And so I want to ask you, what
does the wisdom of the body mean to you?
Eileen: Okay, so that making me feel really moved
for some reason, Nathan, because I could go on
for a whole hour here. I think for me with the
tuning forks, I have this sort of an unusual way
of discovering the body by bouncing sound off
it, by listening really deeply to it. And I was just
astonished again and again and again by the
incredible intelligence of our bodies. And I started
to discover like our bodies are this extraordinarily
powerful hardware. And we have all been
downloaded with lousy software.
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So the software that we’ve been downloaded
through our educational system, through
television, through news media, it has this running
fraction of our human potential. We’re actually
filled with signal jammers and things that stop
us from experiencing the full potential of our
human bodies. I’ve gotten over the thought about
improving my experiences as a human, as healing,
and more now about accessing my potential as a
human being.
There’s no end of potential that we have within
us to be discovered, to be experienced, to be
celebrated. We’re living in something that we
don’t even understand. And unfortunately most

people have been programmed so deeply for
self-loathing. That instead of learning to use
their mind in the way that we can use our mind,
understanding intention, understanding the
power of the word, and using our incredible
creative abilities for good, most people are using it
for self-destruction of some kind or another. And
that’s really sad to me that we don’t understand
love or respect these amazing vehicles that we get
to travel around 3D in.
And so I just really want to invite everybody to
be curious about your body, to love your body,
to see your body for the magnificent miracle that
it is and seek to treat it with respect and care
and curiosity and believing in yourself. Whatever
dream you’ve got, whatever the universe is telling
you, we don’t have limitations. Obviously I’m not
going to play football, but reasonably there’s no
end of amazing things that our amazing bodies
can do. And so just love it.
Nathan: Oh my gosh, that’s so beautiful so
powerful. What a great answer. So the second
question we ask everybody, and you answered
this quite profoundly throughout the entire
interview. But I’d love to hear just your kind of
maybe condensed answer for this question.
What does energy mean to you? And or how is it
significant or relate to the work that you do?
Eileen: well it’s a funny word, isn’t it? Energy.
We talk about energy medicine and I think that
there’s a mainstream perspective of what’s the
energy in energy medicine. We don’t know, it’s
woo its pseudo-science, blah, blah. And the
deeper that I’ve gone into this in my own visceral
and academic understanding of it, I see that the
energy in energy medicine is electricity. And we
know if I’m pretty charged up because I take
good care of myself, and you’re pretty depleted
and your back is tired because you’ve been
working out in the garden all day. And I put my
hands on you, Nathan, electricity flows from
areas of greater concentration to areas of lesser
concentration. Like this is very simple, this is very
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basic science.
And I really don’t understand how we’ve gone
for decades successfully marginalizing it. And
saying that we don’t understand it and taking
things like chi or prana and going, “That’s just
super woo.” No, that’s describing the exact same
phenomenon, moving charge, the positive and
negative forces of life, the yin and the yang, the
Ida and Pingala, the positive and negative. That is
energy. It’s the spiral dance of the dielectric. That’s
a big word, they told me not to use it. But life
itself, the one, that we would call the ether spins.
It goes into torsion. It spins in and it twists and it
polarizes into positive and negative. And then they
just dance around each other and everything.
Energy is the cosmic dance of the positive and
negative polarities. Everything is an interaction of
coming and going, pushing and pulling, in and out,
the heartbeat. Everything is doing this, so that’s
energy. It’s like the cosmic, the in and out that
makes life, the squeeze, the juice, the, the current,
the flow that’s energy, aliveliness, movement, and
it is electricity. Now that’s what we call electricity,
the flow of charge particles, the flow of energy,
time, it’s the same thing. Any waves in space, our
energy whether we call it sound, whether we call
it music, whether we call it electricity, whether we
call it math, light, sound It’s all waves in space,
It’s all energy. And it’s all waves in space. You’re
waves in space.
Nathan: It’s a good way to look at it. And it
makes sense why you’d call your book Electric
Body Electric Health because you understand this
concept at a much deeper level. That we are
electric and everything is electricity and that
deeper energy. It’s not some woo make-believe
thing out there that you have to believe in it. It’s
like it’s real, it’s there, it’s emanating from us,
you can measure it, our ancestors have known
this for thousands of years. Our scientists are
finally starting to catch up with what it really is.
But you’ve obviously been in tune with this and
sharing it for a long time. So thank you for that.
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Before we forget, I wanted to invite you to share
maybe a little bit of a sound healing experience.
That’d be wonderful.
Eileen: So I’ve got a couple of tuning forks with
me. This is a 520 hertz and I have got 174 hertz.
And these are sort of my two primary forks. At
one point in my practice I’ve used like 30 different
forks on people. And over time everything’s
simplified and now I just have six in my toolkit.
We have weighted forks like this is called a Sonic
slider And this is a tuning fork. It’s got really long
handles. It’s got a little boot on the end. I designed
this for self-care. So you can experience this, but
I just want to show you one another way that
tuning forks can be used is on the body. And if
people have pain or discomfort or headaches or
TMJ, we even found that it tightens skin and that
it helps to tone muscle. So this is called the sonic
slider, if anybody is interested in learning more
about that.
Nathan: You have those on your website
electrichealth.com. It doesn’t matter which one
people get, or they just get whichever one and it’s
still going to help or?
Eileen: It depends on what you want. So if you’re
more interested in feeling the vibration in your
body and some people are much more tactile and
oriented that way. But you can also get a fork just
like this one that just makes a crystalline clear,
bright, sustained tone. And so you can just as a
meditation, sit and activate and just listen to it
and it’ll bring you out. Let’s say, there aren’t any
birds around at the moment to listen to, then you
can activate a fork and just sit, listen to it and just
listen to it until the sound fades all the way.
And that simple act of striking a fork once is going
to bring you out of your thinking mind, and just
into that present moment awareness, because
everything is okay in the present moment most
of the time. It’s freaking out about what could be
your mind been, or shouldn’t been, or it should
have been that makes us all like. But if we can just
come into now and take a breath like okay, I’m
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okay, everything’s actually okay. So obviously not
all the time there’s certainly circumstances that’s
not, but in general.
So what we’re going to do is we’re just going to
do a little meditation with a fork to connect to
an experience our own electric body. And I don’t
have to say anything. I was a seeker for a really
long time. I started reading self-help books when
I was 18. And I’m a very fast reader and a very
information-hungry individual. And I’ve read
hundreds and hundreds of books. But even after
reading hundreds of books, spending thousands
of dollars on bookshops on this and that, I still felt
like I was in the dark somehow.
And in 2010, I discovered plasma which is basically
electricity, and discovered that our whole universe
is actually electric. Our sun is electric, our earth is
electric, our bodies are electric. And that the same
electricity that powers the sun, powers my electric
body. That it’s all one light. So we can know
from a yoga perspective that all is one, but our
mainstream cosmological scientific story says, “We
can’t resolve the four forces of nature.” Everything
is separate. Everything is particle. Everything is
billiard ball. Everything is kind of dead and dying,
entropy is just happening, that’s what we’re told.
And so how do unify the yogic all is one with the
scientific paradigm of separation, but when I
discovered plasma and I realized that there was
a unifying force of light, and that it’s all one light
and that here’s the scientific understanding of it.
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That created a resolution in me where I was
like, “Oh my God, I don’t have to be spiritual to
recognize that I have a light body.” My light body
is my electric body, and that was a huge relief.
And so I just want to introduce everyone to their
electric body and we’re going to bring more juice
into it and brighten it up.
So I want everybody to just settle in comfortably,
close your eyes, take a breath into the belly and
then exhale it down into the ground. Just use your

intention and your energy to exhale this down to
the ground. Take a few of those breaths into the
belly and down into the ground. And just get a
sense of a baseline awareness of your own inner
space. So now we’re going activate the fork, and I
want you to imagine that you have a sun roof on
the top of your skull, and you can slide it open.
And as I activate the fork, we’re going to be
bringing in more electrical energy from the sun
and the atmosphere. This is the positive electrical
charge that we’re just going to allow to come in,
come into the head. And it’s very coherent, so
as it comes in it helps to take anything that’s out
of phase or sort of wonky or off rhythm, as it
moves through the skull and then down the spine.
There’s some jam up in the top of the neck there.
So just take a nice deep breath anytime you find
yourself sort of not breathing. You want to take
a nice big breath in that area. We’re going to just
use the sound to kind of open up, blow out any
blockages or stiff stuck areas. Continue to allow
the sound to come down the spine.
And as it does, it’s just lighting everything up
inside of you, just really feeling this whole column
of light getting brighter and stronger, letting it
come down to the pelvis. Just really easily going
right through the low back the pelvis. And then
it goes down between the legs and out the feet,
down both legs and between the legs and out the
feet. And that positive charge wants to ground
because the surface of the earth is negative. So
we act as a kind of lightening rod or grounding
current of the positive electrical energy in the
atmosphere, and from the sun.
So we’ll just do one more strike and we’ll really
feel that. So what I’m noticing is that we’re getting
jammed up around the ankles and the feet. So
I want you to bring your awareness all the way
down into the lower legs and let the sound really
come in here. If you need to stretch or roll your
ankles, or take off your shoes that might be
part of the problem. So if you’re wearing shoes
take those off because rubber sole stop us from
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groundings. The whole earthing movement is
about the importance of being grounded. If we
don’t ground ourselves all of this positive electric
energy that we get from the atmosphere, and also
from devices that we’re touching, it can’t ground.
And then we end up with too much positive
charge in our bodies.
So let’s come back again. Bring the awareness
on the feet and the ankles, and really having a
sense of this continuity really coming through
the whole spine all the way down, down the legs
out the feet. Feel that light all the way down into
the earth. Take a nice big breath. One more.
And what this energy does, it circulates around.
So our electrical body is like a sphere with a
spiral channel down the middle to toes. And so
the energy goes down into the earth and it also
circulates around in the field. So now what we’re
going to do is place our awareness at the below
our feet and let the sound come up.
And this is the negative electric current or the
ascending current. So these two energies spiral
around us. So we’re going to allow this, a feeling
of energy rising up that central channel, feeling it.
It’s a slightly different color than the one coming
down. Ask yourself just be curious about it, still
sticky stuff going on in the feet and ankles. So
those of you who haven’t taken off your shoes, I
would encourage you to do so. And I really want
to encourage you to be barefoot as much as you
can. Because that is going to really help your
health in more ways than you might expect.
Make sure you’re breathing good. And so see if
you can feel that ascending current, this is the
levity, this is the lift. This is it’s what makes us
feel good and uplifted. We don’t want to have too
much levity because then we’re not focused, we’re
not grounded. We don’t want to have too much
of the descending current, because then we get
tired and heavy. And we want to have just the
right balance of ascending energy and descending
energy and really feel the light in it.
Now, where does this light come from? It comes
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from the sun. All light comes from our sun. Where
does the sun’s light come from? Nobody really
knows if it’s all electric and it’s all connected. It’s
not a thermo nuclear furnace burning itself out
in isolation, all of the universe is connected with
these electrical wires between each galaxy and
each sun. So when we tune into our own inner
light, we tune into the light of all of creation. All
the light we can and cannot see is in us. We’re not
a drop in the ocean, we’re the ocean in a drop,
we’re the cosmos in a tiny packet of vibrating
waves. And the more harmonious our own little
packet becomes, the more we resonate with the
music of the spheres. The more we can dance in
the effortless, beautiful dance of the cosmos.
All of nature flows in this beautiful harmony
and order. And so the more we amplify our own
inner awareness of this light of the source of all
light. And the essential harmony and love and
life giving-ness to it, the more we experience
ourselves as that. So we’ll do just a few more
strikes the fork and allow the sound to come
into the body, into any place that feels jammed
up or stuck or dissonant and let the sound come
directly to there. And it brings with it the light of
the electric body to help to heal, to harmonize,
to resolve, to release and to allow flow, to allow
source to come in.
Any place where we have something going on,
we’re not letting the light in, we’re not letting the
love in, it’s usually because we don’t feel worthy
in some way. So just letting your body relax and
release that story and say, “I allow the light of
source into every single one of my cells. I am
radiant with the light of source.”And then just
open your eyes and bring yourself back to here
now. How’s that for you, Nathan?
Nathan: Oh my gosh, that was beautiful. That
was really nice. That very last one you did I just
felt the energy all around me, just like explode
outwards. It was really powerful. Really nice that
was beautiful, thank you for that. So thank you so
much, Eileen, for the beautiful work that you do.
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You’ve done for a long time, you continue to do. I
want to encourage people to grab a copy of your
book, Electric Body Electric Health.at electrichealth.
com. You have a lot of great resources for
people. You have the tuning forks. You have
audio programs, people can download and use
as healing resources. Anything else that people
should know in terms of maybe taking the next
step with their own journey, getting deeper into
sound healing.
Eileen: Well, I have my first book too Tuning
the Human Biofield, so that’s also available as a
resource in there. Both my books are on Audible
for those of you that prefer information that way,
and I narrate them. And we also do training. 2020
forced us to take what we had exclusively done
training in in-person classes, and we created an
online certification program that students love.
I didn’t think it was possible to teach this word
virtually. People ask me for years if I would do it.
And I was like, “No, that’s not possible.” And then
my team actually really put together an amazing
program. This is a two-part training program. So
you can become certified in biofiltering.
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We’re finding that students are coming up more
proficient from these online classes than they
did with the virtual ones, because there’s lots of
videos you can go back to and things like that.
So it’s a wonderful method. It’s easy to learn and
it’s so rewarding to practice. Every time I do a
session and I do very few now, I haven’t practiced
for a number of years. But when I do do them,
I just always astonished because everyone is so
beautiful and so amazing. And when you get the
noise out of their signals, you really get to see the
beauty of people’s souls. And it’s just an incredibly
rewarding practice and it helps get people out of
pain, anxiety, depression, stuckness, and it just
helps on so many different levels. So classes are
an option as well.
I also have instructional videos on my website. If
you just want to learn that way at home and work

with friends and family, you can as well. And then
I get around to conferences here and there. So
you can check out my upcoming events page if
you want to meet in person, come track me down
somewhere. I always love to see people in person
as well. Those are some of the resources.
Nathan: Awesome, and that’s electrichealth.
com. Thank you so much. This was beautiful.
This was really a great conversation and what a
great way to end it with a beautiful sound healing
meditation. So thank you so much.
Eileen: You bet, Nathan, thank you. Great to talk
to you.
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Nathan: Thank all of you for tuning in here to the
Wisdom of the Body masterclass. Please make
sure to watch all the modules, listen to these in-
depth interviews. As you can see, we get to go
deep into very specific subjects in each of these
interviews. And throughout the modules you’ll
also get a lot more hands-on experience as well.
So I want to thank all of you for tuning in.
Please share this with friends, family, anybody
who needs this information. Head over to
electrichealth.com and connect with Eileen there.
And I wish you all ultimate health and happiness.
Take care.

5 Unhealthy Habits that
Contribute to Most Chronic
Disease
Norm Shealy
Nathan: Hello, and welcome to this really special
interview for the Wisdom of the Body Masterclass.
I’m Nathan Crane. I’m very happy that you’re
joining us for these in-depth interviews. These
interviews are really designed to help you
discover more about the wisdom of your body
and its incredible abilities and potential so you
can live a vibrant, healthy, and happy life.
Today, I’m truly honored to be talking with
Doctor Norm Shealy, who I’ve known for years,
I’ve followed his work. I’ve had the honor and
pleasure of getting to interview him for a series
that we did years ago. And he’s truly a pioneer
in this topic of health and healing and chronic
disease and longevity and energy medicine. So
truly honored to have him with us today. I’m going
to read a short version of his bio and then we’ll
bring him on and start talking about what we
can do to help all of us, not only live longer and
healthier, but prevent and reverse the chronic
diseases that we’ve seen just explode around the
world in just the last few decades.
So Norman Shealy, MD, PhD, many titles after his
name is a resident of the Sheely-Sorin Wellness
Institute and president of the Holos Energy
Medicine Education. He created the concept of
holistic medicine in 1971 with the introduction of
spinal cord stimulation and TENS. You may have
heard of TENS therapy. He’s the editor of the
International Journal of Holistic Medicine.
He was founding president of the American
Holistic Medical Association back in 1978. And
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5 Unhealthy Habits That
Contribute to Most Chronic
Diseases from Norm Shealy
Click here to watch this interview!
he’s published over 38 books and 350 articles
in his career so far and still going incredibly
strong, brilliant, and wise. He’s published over
38 books, as I said, and his clinical work includes
comprehensive holistic management of pain,
depression, anxiety, and chronic disease. His
website is realholisticdoc.com. Norm, thank you
so much for joining us.
Dr. Shealy: Hey, a pleasure to be with you,
Nathan Crane. I love that image behind you of
Costa Rica also. I’ve been there.
Nathan: Yeah. We were just talking about where
we’d like to move and we want to go somewhere
tropical and warm and sunny. And some of the
things we know we need to help the body heal
and stay strong and healthy. Vitamin D from the
sun, fresh air, clean water. Things that normally
we’ve just overlooked over the years in terms
of basic essentials for our health. And anyway,
you’re such a pioneer in this field. You have so
many years of experience and wisdom, not only
hands-on clinical experience, but the research
that you’ve done and have contributed to over the
years is truly astounding.
So one, just honored and very happy and excited
that you’re joining us here. It’s a true honor for
all of us and everybody tuning in. And number
two, the question I’d love to start with because
you’ve been in the field for a few decades now is,
why have we seen this just massive explosion of
chronic disease from all levels just explode in the
last few decades around the world?

Dr. Shealy: Because of unhealthy habits. There’ve
been three major studies that show that in this
country, 97. 5% of people are lacking one to five
of absolutely essential health habits. And then
the government has done more to poison us with
fluoride in the water and glyphosate in the rain.
Nathan: So those healthy habits, let’s talk a little
bit about it. So that statistic is pretty shocking.
971/2 percent are lacking-
Dr. Shealy: One to five essential habits.
Nathan: One to five, lacking one to five, meaning
they’re missing one or more of those habits in
their lives?
Dr. Shealy: Exactly. I say those people who miss
any of the habits are not smart enough to be
alive.
Nathan: Well, and the problem is we don’t really
get educated on these habits nowadays. In school,
I didn’t learn anything about health. I think in
medical school, doctors aren’t learning anything
about health, actual health care. We’re learning
disease management, but not healthcare. I think
in high schools they’re not teaching what does it
actually take to keep yourself healthy? So I think
it’s a societal problem at the basic fundamental
education level, right?
Dr. Shealy: Absolutely. It should start in
kindergarten with proper education.
Nathan: That’s right. I had to go through my own
health challenges as a teenager growing up and
getting really sick and almost died to the point
of me going, “This way of living is not very fun. I
don’t want to live unhealthy anymore. I wonder
what being healthy could be like.” And that took
me down this rabbit hole the past 15 years of
discovering everything I could about health and
longevity. So maybe start there. What are those
five essential habits that contribute to a healthy
long life?
Dr. Shealy: Well, the number one unhealthy habit
is overweight. 72% of Americans are overweight
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and 36% are just plain fat. You need a body
mass index of 18 to 24, every pound of that
above a body mass index of 24 increases your
life expectancy and increases your risk of every
known disease.
Nathan: So obesity, overweight we know is a
massive problem, can you explain why? Why
does being overweight contribute to things like
cancer and diabetes and chronic inflammatory
conditions?
Dr. Shealy: 80% of the food is junk. 80% of the
food in a grocery store is junk and all fast food
restaurants are not on my list of acceptable food.
I went to McDonald’s in 1962. I took one bite. I spit
it out right there in the restaurant. I spit it into the
napkin, threw the whole thing away and I’ve never
been back.
Nathan: You were smart.
Dr. Shealy: Well, I think my taste buds might’ve
recognized monosodium glutamate. They put
monosodium glutamate into every, I wouldn’t
drink a cup of coffee there because I don’t trust
them. Monosodium glutamate is toxic to the
brain and not counting of course the bonds and
other junk that they put into it. But the important
thing is I don’t go to fast food restaurants and
I don’t buy anything off the center aisles in the
grocery store. I will shop in the vegetable fruit
department, the dairy department, the meat
department and that’s it.
Nathan: So obesity again, and excess weight.
So some of the main reasons that that’s causing
these chronic conditions, maybe you can cover
that a little bit.
Dr. Shealy: Wheat is now poison. It is triple
loaded with glyphosate or roundup, which is a
great poison. Sperm count in this country, 50 or
60 years ago was 150 million. It is now 40 million.
If we do not get rid of fluoride out of the city
water, within the next 20 years there will be no
more children. That’s how serious that part is. And
of course, the rain itself has glyphosate in it. 75%

of rain over the whole country has glyphosate
in it. And that’s even worse poison. To me, it is
now unethical and illegal really to call something
organic because it was grown with outside rain.
Nathan: And so all of these things you’re
mentioning are typically what if you find yourself
obese or overweight, is that you’re typically eating
fast food or eating lots of processed food, eating
lots of breads and wheats and pastas. Eating
lots of these foods that are manufactured in
laboratories high in complex carbohydrates, high
in glyphosate and other chemicals. And it just
keeps contributing to excess weight on the body,
which we know leads to chronic inflammation
which leads to all kinds of chronic diseases.
Dr. Shealy: And white rice, white rice is absolute
junk. It has no value whatsoever. So wheat, and
white rice, and white potatoes, regular Irish
potatoes, and sugar are all absolute junk food.
Nathan: So what I hear you saying is we’ve got
to get back to nature, eat whole foods, as much
plant foods as possible, fruits, vegetables, nuts
seeds, berries. Get away from the packaged,
processed, chemicalized crap in the middle of the
aisles and stick to the, usually you walk in it’s on
the right side or the far left side where you got all
your fresh earthly grown foods, right?
Dr. Shealy: Exactly.
Nathan: So what’s habit number two?
Dr. Shealy: Smoking is still number two, even
though it’s only 22% of Americans. When you
add that to any other bad habit, or even without
that bad habit. Smoking one pack of cigarettes a
day just shortens your life by seven years. Three
packs, 18 years. And you combine that with
anything else like overweight, then you’re really in
trouble.
Nathan: I’m glad I stopped smoking when I was
19 years old.
Dr. Shealy: That was two years ago.
Nathan: I started smoking cigarettes off and on
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when I was nine. And then I was fully addicted
by 12, 13, 2 packs a day at 16 years old. And by
I think 19, I was like, “I got to stop. If I want to
get healthy, it’s 18 or 19, if I want to get healthy,
I need to stop smoking.” And I quit cold turkey.
And I remember I told my friends I was living with
at the time. I had some friends over me at an
apartment in Oceanside, California.
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And I said, “Look, I’m going to just be an asshole
for the next few days, but I know I need to quit.
I’m done. You guys deal with it.” And I did, I quit
cold turkey. I said in my mind, I said I’m doing
it no matter what, I’m ready … because I had a
bigger reason to live. I had a reason to actually be
healthy. I think to quit some of these habits, you
have to find a deeper reason to pull you through
the challenge, right?
Dr. Shealy: Absolutely. I totally understand,
blessings.
Nathan: And so anyone dealing with something
like cigarettes still, or addiction to food, it’s like
we have to find the deeper reason to live, to be
healthy, to be vital, whether it’s for your children
or your grandchildren, or for yourself to feel
better or it’s for the planet. But you’ve got to find
that deeper reason.
Dr. Shealy: Next is eating a minimum, a minimum
of five servings of fruits and vegetables a day. The
average American, Nathan, eats 2. 2 servings. 2.
2 instead of five. Now, actually the ideal is eight
to 10, but the minimum is five. And a by the way,
French fries and ketchup are not a vegetable.
Nathan: Or pizza. I think they started calling pizza
a vegetable because they had tomato sauce or
something, right?
Dr. Shealy: Exactly.
Nathan: So what does a serving look like?
Dr. Shealy: In general, about a cup of raw
vegetables or fruit.

Nathan: A minimum of five ideal, eight to 10. So if
you were going to do that, let’s say five, that’d be
like a banana, an apple, a couple of strawberries,
and a couple of carrots, and a salad made from
kale or something.
Dr. Shealy: That would be the minimum. Yes.
Nathan: Okay. And then double that if you want
to actually have better health.
Dr. Shealy: And I would like to pass out one bit of
information to those who are not willing or able
for whatever reason to have the serving. There is
a product, it’s not made by me, but I recommend
it. ORAC, O-R-A-C rich greens. One scoop is equal
to six servings of fruits and vegetables. So if they
just added that to their already poor diet, they
would at least be in pretty good shape on that
particular habit.
Nathan: Got it. So we’ve got to get the weight off
of the body. We’ve got to stop smoking if we’re
smoking. We’ve got to get minimum five, but
really eight to 10 servings of fruits and vegetables
every day. Those are things challenging for a lot of
people, but very doable.
Dr. Shealy: Absolutely simple. Look, one scoop
you put in a glass of water and shake it up and
drink it. You’ll at least have got that habit up to
snuff, so to speak.
Nathan: Yeah. All right. So what’s the fourth one?
Dr. Shealy: Exercise. A minimum of 30 minutes,
five days a week. Only 10% of Americans get that
much exercise. 90% sit all day, essentially.
Nathan: Yeah. I did a module in my Becoming
Cancer-Free Master class and one of the modules
is called “Medicinal Movement.” And you look at
what does it mean to be sedentary? And we think
of people who are busy, mothers, fathers, people
at blue collar workers, people who are busy all
day long feel like, “I’m not sedentary.” But I broke
that down and I said, “Well, what is your life
actually look like?” You might wake up from laying
on a bed for 7, 8, 9 hours, hopefully and then you
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go to the kitchen and you might do your morning
things and all that. You walk around a little bit, sit
down for breakfast.
Then you get in the car and you sit in the car and
then you go to the office and you sit in the office.
Then you get back in the car and you sit in the
car and you go back home, you sit in front of the
dining table. And then after the dining table, you
sit in front of the chair. And if you’re not exercising
at all, you literally are sitting or lying down 90% of
your life. That is sedentary. It doesn’t matter how
busy your mind is with work and kids and driving
here and there. It’s sedentary, which is one of the
core causes of pretty much every chronic disease
we have.
Dr. Shealy: And interestingly, for your information
at 88 years of age, I do two hours of exercise
every morning.
Nathan: Oh my gosh. That’s awesome.
Dr. Shealy: Two hours. I’m a hyperactive child. I
like to move.
Nathan: What is your two hours look like? Can
you break that down for us?
Dr. Shealy: You ever heard of Charles Atlas? At
age 12, I started a Charles Atlas course, which is
primarily isometric exercise part of the body. But I
incorporated it every joint muscle tendon through
maximum pressure that takes me at least 40 to 45
minutes. Then I do 200 sit-ups. I do 100 backups
on Roman chair. Then I do 30 minutes standing
on a vibe machine, moving my arms like this the
whole time. Music conductors live longer than any
other profession.
Nathan: Interesting.
Dr. Shealy: This movement is even better than
walking. And I do 10 minutes on a HealthRider,
which has 50 pounds of weight. So the seat
moves, the handlebars move I’m doing some light
weight movement for that. And then 10 minutes
on a treadmill.
Nathan: Wow. You’re a living example of what
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we all should be doing. People don’t need to do
two hours, but if you do like what you’re doing,
because you’re doing balance, you’re doing low
impact stuff. You’re doing some strength in there,
some aerobic stuff. You’re doing all of what I call
the four facets of medicinal movement, strength,
aerobic, balance. And then also, you want to
do a little bit of anaerobic, but not anything too
much, especially if you have chronic disease. But
you want to get to a point of a little bit of high
intensity, but that’s a whole other conversation.
Dr. Shealy: Absolutely. And the fifth habit
you mentioned briefly earlier is a minimum, a
minimum maximum, a minimum of seven or eight
hours of sleep every night. People who sleep six
hours or less are functioning at a level of slightly
drunk. They have more automobile accidents than
all drug addicts and narcotic addicts combined.
Nathan: That’s a powerful statement right there.
I know if I get less than six hours of sleep which I
just almost never do anymore, I feel like I’m drunk.
Dr. Shealy: Well, I don’t get it, but I would function
at a very low level if I did. I happen to go to bed at
eight o’clock because I get up at four so that I get
my two hours in before I go to work.
Nathan: Oh, wow. So are you still practicing
clinical practice today?
Dr. Shealy: Oh yes.
Nathan: So tell us what your day looks like. You’re
88 years, young, vital healthy. So you go to bed at
eight, you wake up at four, what is your morning
routine look like? We know your two hours
exercise, but what do you do for breakfast?
Dr. Shealy: Well, breakfast is actually a slush. It is
a slush that I mix for breakfast and lunch at the
same time. And it consists of 100 grams of protein
and the equivalent of 20 servings of fruits and
vegetables.
Nathan: Whoa, that’s good.
Dr. Shealy: Yeah. I get everything right in there.
So that that’s breakfast and lunch combined most
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Nathan: So a slush is a smoothie that you blend
together?
Dr. Shealy: I’m sorry, blend it together.
Nathan: It’s like a smoothie you put in a blender,
you make it in the blender?
Dr. Shealy: Exactly. And then I drink about half
of it for breakfast and the other half I put into a
thermos with a couple of ice cubes and I drink
that for lunch.
Nathan: So do you work out in the morning, do
you work out fasted? Are you fasting or do you
drink that while you workout?
Dr. Shealy: Fasting. A glass of water when I get
up, but then I do my exercise.
Nathan: Yeah, that’s incredibly healthy as well. Is
to not eat first thing in the morning, but actually
takes some time to let your body keep healing
and fast in the morning. And then when do you
actually start drinking your smoothie? Your slush?
Dr. Shealy: Oh, usually between seven and 7:30,
because on most days I leave for the office by
7:30.
Nathan: Okay. And then how many hours a day
are you usually working in the office?
Dr. Shealy: Is six to eight. It varies, especially
during the current situation, but it’s six to eight
hours.
Nathan: And is that a burden or is that a joy, the
work you do?
Dr. Shealy: Oh, heavens yes. My daughter says I
don’t know how to retire. But it’s not a question of
not knowing, I don’t want to retire. I enjoy what I
do. I came here to help people. Why should I stop
helping people just because I’m past 65 years of
age?
Nathan: I love it. That’s one of the biggest
commonalities they’ve found in the blue zones
around the world where people just like yourself,
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80, 90, 100 plus healthy, no chronic disease, one
of the things that they have in common is they
have a purpose where they’re contributing to
somebody else’s life in a meaningful way. And so
you’re living your purpose and it’s beautiful to see.
Dr. Shealy: Yeah. I would be bored if I didn’t
have that to do. I love my garden, and so on the
weekends, of course I do … I often get a couple of
hours on Saturday and Sunday in the garden.
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Nathan: So you’ve obviously discovered your
purpose many years ago and are living it joyfully.
What are maybe a couple of tips you can share
with people who are still trying to find their next
chapter in life, their second half of life, if you will?
And they’re trying to seek deeper purpose or
meaning in their lives so they too, don’t ever have
to think about retiring because they want to work.
Dr. Shealy: Well, to me, the person who made
this is just as important as I am. The person who
made this piece of paper, it’s just because I would
be bored doing that. I don’t know anything about
that kind of thing. I just happened since age four
to want to be a physician. At age 16, I knew I
wanted to be a neurosurgeon and I’ve never lost
that interest.
I gave up the surgery because although
neurosurgery is a wonderful field and an acute
illness surgery, and sometimes drugs could save
your life. But in chronic illness, conventional
medicine is not good, once the disease becomes
chronic. Now, officially the medical definition of
chronic is six months and longer. I personally
believe that conventional medicine is great, but
if you’re not 50% or more better within three
months, it’s time to look for holistic medicine.
Nathan: Beautiful. So I have a couple of
additional questions that we’re asking all of our
speakers during this master class. And the first
one is what does energy mean to you and/or how
is energy significant or relate to the work that you
do?
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Dr. Shealy: Well, one of my favorite books is The
Energy Medicine. It covers the field. Everything
is energy, of course, breathing is energy, air is
energy. But we as individuals have a body, a mind,
emotions, and most important what’s missing
from conventional medicine is the soul, the spirit.
We are a physical incarnation of the soul into a
body, but we still have connection to the divine
through the soul and the spirit.
Nathan: And so how does that play a role in the
clinical work you do with your patients?
Dr. Shealy: Well, I began looking at the electrical
energy of the body when I was a freshman
medical student. Every year in medical school,
between spring, and fall, I did article research
on the physiology of the brain. My first paper
was on the physiology of amygdaloidal nucleus,
which has to do with emotions, of course. And
then of course, in the 50s, I began to work on
electro-acupuncture. And then I introduced TENS
or transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation,
which is still used all over the world. And then I
introduced spinal cord stimulation, which is like a
pacemaker of the spinal cord, which is still used
all over the world.
In the mid-seventies, I introduced cranial electric
stimulation for depression and anxiety. And
then I introduced photo stimulation to calm
the brain. It’s the greatest thing. 90% of people
could be relaxed within five minutes. And then
more recently I introduced post electromagnetic
frequency at a gamma ray. Gamma is called in the
zone. It was first discovered in Buddhist monks to
meditate eight hours a day. It puts you at perfect
peace. Very few people have perfect peace, very
few. And so it is the greatest invention I think of
my life because it is good for depression, anxiety,
and pain.
Nathan: So the PEMF therapy at a gamma wave
length, what does that look like? How can people
experience that?
Dr. Shealy: Well, it’s an eight inch roughly coil or

like a copper wire hooked up to a rechargeable
battery and you can put it on your head if you’ve
got anxiety or depression. But anywhere you put
it on your body, it actually puts the brain in to
gamma. So if I’m sitting on it, for instance, the EEG
is still at least 50% gamma. And if you put it on the
head, it’s 100% gamma.
And when it’s local, basically in a healthy person,
every cell in your body when it’s at rest has a
minus 70 millivolt charge. This sweeps the body
every 10 minutes from 5. 83 to 56. 81 cycles per
second, which re-establish the minus 70 millivolt
charge. That is healing. If you get down to minus
60 millivolts, the cells are abnormally active.
If it gets to minus 50 they’re inactive. So this
reestablishes the normal neurophysiology of your
body.
Nathan: Beautiful. So is this a device that people
can find somewhere?
Dr. Shealy: Yes. It’s on our website.
Nathan: At realholisticdoc.com? What’s it called?
Dr. Shealy: Shealy-Sorin Gamma PEMF.
Nathan: Okay, good. I just want people to know
where they can find that if they want to learn
more about it.
Dr. Shealy: I spent 80 years trying to find a
physician. Well, actually 83 years, trying to find a
physician that I trusted to take over my practice.
And in 2016, I found that physician and he has
been with me. That’s Doctor Sorin.
Nathan: Beautiful. By the way, beautiful answer
to what does energy mean to you, not only from
a spiritual perspective, but then into the scientific
and the biophysical perspective as well and tying
that together. It was a beautiful answer. So last
question is, what does the wisdom of the body
mean to you?
Dr. Shealy: If you give it what it needs, the body
will take care of itself. So that includes a great
deal of nutrition. Now, interestingly, once upon a
time before so much pollution, the minimum daily
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requirement was enough of the vitamins. But
that was like one to 2. 5 milligrams of B complex.
Today because of fluoride and glyphosate, the
average brain needs 25 milligrams of B complex,
and 2000 milligrams of vitamin C, and a minimum
of 5,000 to 10,000 units of vitamin D3. So 80%
of Americans in this country are deficient in B
complex, magnesium, vitamin C.
Nathan: So we’ve got to keep our nutrition up
and make sure that we’re getting lots of the eight
to 10 servings of fruits and vegetables every
day. And supplementing with supplements that
may support that, everything you said, stopping
smoking, reducing weight, exercising every day.
What about things like Qi Gong and meditation? Is
that part of what you do at all? Or what are your
thoughts on that?
Dr. Shealy: Absolutely. Now, my favorite mental
exercise is something called autogenic training.
Autogenic training was introduced in 1912 by a
German psychiatrist. And when I discovered it
in 1972, there were 2,600 scientific references
on it. It had 28,000 scientific references on how
good it is. Actually I went back in 1974 to get
a PhD in psychology to really understand self-
regulation, self-control, biofeedback. And out of
that I developed something called biogenics. So
now I have 68 different mental training exercises,
including starting with autogenic training. And
by the way, if anybody’s interested in it, I will give
it free to anyone who wants the basic autogenic
training. All they got to do is send a note, norm@
normshealy.com and I’ll send them the autogenic
training MP3.
Nathan: Careful there. You might get hundreds of
people emailing you.
Dr. Shealy: I love to do that because to me, it
is the most important of the mental retraining
exercises.
Nathan: Well, I’m going to email you right now
and ask you for it as well. So that was norm@
normshealy.com. And it’s S-H-E-A-L-Y.
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Dr. Shealy: And by the way, we emphasize on our
website, the heal in the middle of my name.
Nathan: Hey, it was built in. Your purpose was
built into your name already.
Dr. Shealy: Well, and my initials are CNS for
central nervous system.
Nathan: Nice, nice. Well, Norm, it’s been a treat
talking with you. I love how you can take decades
of complicated information, research, and just
boil it down into five simple things and some
additional things that we all can do to stay healthy
and live longer. So thank you so much for doing
this.
Dr. Shealy: Blessings to you, Nathan, for
spreading the message.
Nathan: Thank you. And I want to send blessings
to everybody here who’s tuning in as well for this
really special interview with Norm Shealy. I want
to encourage you to go to his website, which is
normshealy.com or realholisticdoc.com. Or just
send him an email, norm@normshealy.com. and
you’ll get that free MP3.
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I thank you all for joining us for this great series.
Make sure to go and tune in to all the master class
modules, as well as listen to all the interviews.
There’s so many nuggets of wisdom for living
your healthiest, happiest, most fulfilling lives
throughout this series. So thank you so much.
Take care.

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#1 Secret for Losing Weight

and Balancing Hormones that
Your Doctor Doesn’t Know
Kyrin Dunston, MD, FACOG

Nathan: Hello, and welcome to this really special
interview for the Wisdom of the Body Masterclass.
I’m Nathan Crane. I’m really happy that you’re
all joining us. These in-depth interviews, they go
along with the modules of the masterclass are
really designed to help you discover more about
the wisdom of your own body and its incredible
abilities and potential so you can live a vibrant,
healthy, and happier life.
So today I’m really excited. We are here to talk
with Doctor Kyrin Dunston and I’m going to share
a little bit about her bio. She’s going to share with
us her incredible background as well as getting
to some really powerful and profound health and
wellness tips for women dealing with whether it’s
hormonal challenges or having challenges with
weight loss or weight gain, and really share some
powerful strategies with you today.
So after discovering the hidden cause of midlife
weight gain and fatigue in women, OB-GYN,
Doctor Kyrin Dunston, lost a life changing 100
pounds and fixed for adrenal fatigue and the
process. A pioneer of female hormonal justice,
Doctor Kyrin founded the Mid-life Metabolism
Institute and the Hormone Club to provide
women of every age access to hormonal freedom,
regardless of their location. Doctor Kyrin has been
featured on CBS, and NBC, the Huffington Post, First
for Women and many major media outlets and
magazines and podcasts. She’s really your midlife
metabolic ninja who will show you the steps to
take, to unleash your best health. Her website is
kyrindunstonmd.com. Doctor Kyrin, thank you so
much for joining us.
Dr. Dunston: Thank you for having me.
Nathan: So 100 pounds for any person is a
massive amount of weight to be carrying around.
And excess body weight is a contributing factor,
we know, scientifically to just about every
metabolic disease on the planet from diabetes to
cancer and everything in between. And so many
millions and millions of men and women are
struggling with excess weight and may or may not
know how that is contributing to chronic health
conditions. So I’d love for you to start a little bit
about your own story and journey and how you
were able to find out what was really causing your
weight gain and then how you were able to shed
all that excess weight and heal in the process.
Dr. Dunston: Sure. I’d love to share that. So I did
what most people do when they’re overweight.
They look to their doctor for answers and I was
a doctor practicing OB-GYN. So my life really
looked pretty idyllic. As a physician, I lived in a
gated community and had fancy cars and fancy
vacations. So people thought I had it all, but they
could see visibly that I was obese. And so inside,
I really didn’t feel like myself. I felt like a stranger
in my own skin, sometimes even like a monster
in my own skin. And in my life I used to wonder,
because I was so uncomfortable in my body.
Imagine it, I’m tired all the time. I’m a wife and a
mom and yet all I have energy to do is go to work
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That’s all I had energy to do.
So I felt like I was in my life, but I wasn’t really
living it. I was taking up space on the planet, but
I wasn’t really having the life that I had imagined.
And I know that’s true for a lot of women. They
wonder, at midlife, “What happened to me.” 60%
of us are overweight or obese by the time we’re
in mid-life. And so that was my story. And so I
said, “Well, I go to the expert for help.”Well, I was
my own expert as a physician. So I’d say, “Well,
there must be something wrong with my thyroid
and my hormones.” Something like that. And so I
would run the tests that I was taught to run and
they would all come back normal. And maybe
you’ve experienced this, ladies listening.
And I’d think, “Well, it must be something else.”So
I’d run some different tests then they’d come back
normal. And I really was just scratching my head,
of all the problems that I had, Nathan, the thing
that bothered me the most, and I find this is true
for most women is the weight. Because everyone
can see that I’m obese. They may not notice that
I’m losing hair or that I have no sex drive or my
gut’s messed up or I’m depressed or anxious, all
these other things that I had. You can’t see those.
But I had so much shame around the fact that
here I am, a board certified OB-GYN. I’m supposed
to know more about women’s health than anyone
else. And clearly I’m unhealthy and can’t fix it. So
there was a lot of shame and I find that’s true for
most women.
And maybe if you’re listening, you can relate. You
feel so ashamed and you wonder, “What’s wrong
with me that I can’t get this right?” And so I even
went to my internist and she would run tests
and they’d come back normal. And my thyroid
was checked at least 10 times and it was normal.
And I remember the last time I went to her office
and I went to her office so eagerly thinking, “My
gosh, she’s going to find something this time. I’m
not crazy.” Because that’s the thing we ladies tell
ourselves, “Well, I must be crazy then. I’m just a
moral failure.”
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And I went excitedly anxiously to her office and
waited and waited and went in with her. And I was
like, “What’d you find, what’d you find, what you
find?” And she said, “Kyrin, your labs are normal.
There’s nothing wrong with you. You just need
to eat less and move more. Stop it with this.” She
yelled at me and I was just appalled and I didn’t
want to break down in tears in her office so I
didn’t. And I ran out into my car and it was raining
that day and closed the door and I just started
crying. I felt so hopeless and I know that there
are women listening who are in that place. And I
thought, “Well, I really am crazy. It’s all my fault.
I’m guilty. I should be ashamed.”
And I drove home that night and I just was so
hopeless. I thought, if this is what life is, I don’t
even want it. But I didn’t have a choice because
I was the breadwinner in my family. So I had to
keep putting one foot in front of the other and
doing the thing. And maybe you can relate to
this. And then it was not long after that, one of
my patients who, she was a woman at midlife. I
was in my 40s, I think like 47 at the time and I was
working with her. She had all the things we get at
midlife. Weight gain, hair loss, low sex drive. She
couldn’t sleep. I slept all the time, tired, and so all
the things.
So I gave her what we doctors do, a fistful of
prescriptions.”You need a sleeping pill. You need
an antidepressant. You need a birth control pill.”
Because she had crazy periods too.”You need a
pill for every symptom.” So that’s what I gave her.
Well, it didn’t really work for her and I didn’t have
other answers for her so she went away and she
came back about a year later. And when I saw
her at the end of the hall, I knew something was
different. She had lost all the weight. Her eyes
were shining and bright skin, hair full. And she
had this hop in her step and a smile which I hadn’t
seen before. So I couldn’t wait to get her into the
exam room and find out, “What have you done?”
So that’s what I did.
“What did you do? You look amazing.” And she

said, “Well, I learned about this thing, this root
cause resolution medicine called functional
medicine. I went and saw this doctor in another
town.” And she said, “I know I love you, Doctor
Kyrin but she did tests you don’t know about. She
did these hormone tests and she balanced my
hormones and I am sleeping great. And my energy
is great. The weight came off. My periods are fine.
My mood is great. Everything is transformed.” And
she clearly was a walking example of this.
So when she left my office, she left a big
impression on me. But I said, “I’m a board certified
OB-GYN, how is it that there are other doctors
who don’t know what I know.” It wasn’t possible
in my worldview that there was something I know
about. Because when I went to med school, I did
it because I wanted to be a healer and I wanted to
help women. I worked with women. In college, I
used to volunteer at a women’s health center.
So I had always been passionate about women’s
health. And I went into this because I said, “Well,
what’s the highest level I can serve women
with? I’ll get an MD. That’s the highest. I’ll know
everything I need to know.” So this woman comes
to my office and she went to somebody different
and I’m like, “What does she know that I don’t
know.” So I set out really to disprove what she told
me.
Nathan: Hey, and I want to say, at least you took
that initiative. I’m sure there’s a lot of curiosity
there and interest, but at the end of the day what
drove you was, “I want to disprove this.” So many
medical doctors today, unfortunately just brush
it off as coincidence or as a miraculous feeling
or whatever. And they don’t even look into it
whatsoever, which is so unfortunate. But at least
you had the guts to go at it face on.
Dr. Dunston: Yeah. I said, “I’ve got to learn
everything I can and I’m going to prove why this is
wrong.” Because I couldn’t possibly be wrong. And
then I started doing the research and I started
doing the research and come to find out, there
really are tests that I don’t know about to check
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hormones.
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And there’s this whole world. And it was like, you
know how one minute your reality is the way you
believe it and then something will happen and
then all of a sudden you’re living in a different
world? I don’t know why that song from Aladdin is
coming to my mind, “A whole new world.” But that
literally was what it was like.
It’s like, I thought the world, the globe …It’s when
the earth, they used to think it was flat. And so
then they think they’re sailing in the ocean and
they think they’re going to fall off and they’re like,
“We’re not falling off. Oh, the world isn’t flat.” It
was literally like that. It was like, “My gosh, the
world isn’t flat, it’s round.” And there’s this whole
other world to explore.
Nathan: And going with that metaphor, you have
people today who still believe the world is flat
and don’t believe that it’s round. And we see that
today in medicine and in healthcare. That you
have so many practitioners and people, lay people
who simply think that it’s A, B, C. Everything’s
biological, nothing’s interconnected. Nothing’s
relative. It’s all, dissectible, it’s all Darwinian or
everything’s fighting itself or striving to survive.
And then you have people who realize, “Whoa,
it’s way beyond that.” And everything makes a
difference. And everything’s connected and one
hormone can affect every part of your body in
different ways. So, yeah. Please continue with
that.
Dr. Dunston: Yeah. And it’s a Galileo with the
solar system and all the planets revolve around
the earth. And they basically killed him because
he said that, and then they say, “Our bad, you’re
right.” And now with the medical community, it
is the same thing like you say, Nathan. So this
was my awakening to, “The world is not flat, it’s
round.” So then I became insatiable, learning as
much as I could. I started doing these special tests
I never learned about in residency. And my gosh,
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I had a hormone imbalance. Not one but many.
I was progesterone deficient, even though I had
checked my thyroid at least 10 times and it was
normal. When I did the right tests and I read them
the right way, I had a low functioning thyroid.
Well, I was like, “My gosh, I’m not crazy.”
The medical system has just led me to believe
that I’m the problem, but the truth is, they
are a problem? The whole way medicine is
administered is the problem. The guidelines are
basically they’re looking to see, “Do you qualify for
our medication and how long can we keep you
on this medication?” Because if we keep you alive
longer on a medication, we make more money off
of you. And I know that’s a reality check for a lot
of people watching right now. But you need to get
used to really realizing that the earth is not flat.
And your medical care is not about getting you
optimally healthy. It’s about keeping you alive for
a long time on a lot of medications and having a
lot of procedures.
So anyway, I discovered this and I had all these
hormone imbalances. So I started treating them
with natural thyroid and natural progesterone.
And then I got really into it. And I actually applied
and was accepted to do a fellowship program in
anti-aging metabolic and functional medicine. And
then I really was on fire. Because I started learning
about the importance of gut health. And I did
functional stool testing. I didn’t know about those
tests in mainstream medicine.
And even though I hadn’t had irritable bowel my
entire life, and then I had had gastritis right before
this kind of final episode, I discovered these
special tests and food sensitivity testing that could
figure out why I had these things, instead of the
doctor just saying, “Well, you’ve got irritation in
your stomach. We don’t know why. And you just
need to take this acid blocker to cut off all your
acid. Never mind that it stops you from digesting
your food. You can’t digest your food or sterilize
it. And you got this thing called irritable bowel.
We have no idea why that happens. You need to
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take this medication to this” … I finally knew, I had
parasites. 60% of Americans have parasites. They
have no idea. Why? Because the tests that we
mainstream doctors do misses over 50% of them.
So I did all these tests and I just kept addressing
it. And then, Nathan, it was like someone popped
a helium balloon, pop. And the weight just poured
off, my energy started coming back hair re-
growing, sex drive, gut healed. And I looked and
felt 20 years younger than I was. So fast forward,
that was two years. And then my patients are the
ones pulling me in the exam room, “What are
you doing? You look amazing.” And so I started
teaching them about it and doing it with them.
And then in 2011, I actually retired. I didn’t retire.
I made the decision, I couldn’t give people a pill
for every ill. I could no longer, if they couldn’t
sleep, give them a sleeping pill. If their periods
were crazy, give them a birth control pill. Because
I knew I was giving them something toxic that
wasn’t addressing the reason why they had the
problem in the first place. And although they may
be a little happy because they might sleep a little
better, in the long run, they were going to have
worse health. So I made the decision to walk away
from my very successful lucrative OB-GYN practice
and do this full-time. And so that’s what I help
women with. I used to say retiring, but I didn’t
retire from anything. I took the high road to what
was right for women.
Nathan: Yeah. That’s beautiful. What an
incredible journey you’ve been through so far
and been able to help so many women because
you’ve been through it yourself. You talked about
testing and testing being so important and doing
the right tests and being able to read the test
properly. So let’s say, there are women tuning
in who have been having challenges with weight
gain or keeping weight off. Or who’ve been having
sleep issues or been having fatigue or irritable
bowel type of issues, any of these chronic health
issues that can be hormone-related.
And maybe they’re on a similar path or don’t think
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it’s related to their hormones at all. What would
you recommend to women in terms of what is
the gold standard in testing that they should
absolutely do, no matter what to see where
their hormones are and how do they get proper
readings of that so they understand what’s really
going on?
Dr. Dunston: Yeah. Great question, Nathan. And
I wish that if I told you, well, you need this, this
and this test, you could go to your neighborhood
doctor for your $30 copay and they would do
those tests number one. They usually will tell you
we don’t test those hormones. Or if they do do
them, because you insist, “No, I want this done.”
They’ll acquiesce and they will draw blood, which
is not the right way to do it. And then when they
get the results, they will have no idea how to
read it because they’re not trained in that. And so
they’ll tell you they’re fine.
So I would be doing anyone watching this, a
disservice to tell them, because I’ve done it. I’ve
told people, “Well, you need this, this, and this.”
And then they come running back like, “Well, my
doctor said we won’t do that.” And I’m like, “Well
insist.” And then finally they insist and then he
tells them, they’re fine. So it’s a waste of your time
and money to do that. You need to find someone
who is skilled in the art and science of proper
hormone assessment. Who does root-cause
resolution medicine, who knows the right tests to
do.
There are eight different thyroid tests. They really
should do a DUTCH test for your sex hormones.
But again, you can go online and you can buy
your own DUTCH tests. But the problem then
becomes, and there’s a whole Facebook forum of
people who don’t know how to read their DUTCH
test who went and bought one online. And so it’s
useless to you if you don’t know what to do with
the information.
And actually that’s why I created, my hormone
balance mastermind is to give people a turnkey
solution wherever they are in the US so they
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could get this testing and get treatment if
they need it. But if they’re not able to do that,
definitely find a practitioner who can do the test
for you, read them and help you address them
most importantly. Because information just
for information sake is useless. We got tons of
information on the internet. You don’t need that.
You need wisdom, you need a wisdom and you
need a guide. Someone who can guide you to the
answers for you.
Nathan: So powerful. I just taught a webinar for
my internal community. I specialize in helping
people with cancer and I have for the last eight
plus years. And I’ve worked with thousands of
people around the world. And in that webinar,
I teach people I say, “Information is not power,
it’s the right information from the right people
with action.” Effective implementation, that’s your
power.
There’s so much information out there, but
there’s also so much misinformation. There’s
misleading information. And there’s just plain
wrong information. And there’s so many experts
in different fields that also have the lack of
information. So you have to get it from the people
who really know what they’re talking about. You
have to also have some guidance on that and then
you have to be willing to take action.
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Like you, as you learn these things, you said, “I’m
not looking for just another pill. I’m going to start
making lifestyle choices and actions and decisions
that can improve parasites and gut health.” And
I’d love for you to share with us some of your key
wellness and anti-aging tips as well. And before
we do, just so I’m clear, women tuning in through
your website, can they actually work with you and
get testing and get consults and things like that?
Do you offer that through your website?
Dr. Dunston: There’s information in there on my
programs. Yeah.
Nathan: Okay. And that’s kyrindustinmd.com
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for everyone. And so number two, which I just
asked you is, what are some of your top health
and wellness tips for women to stay metabolically
healthy? To keep excess body weight off, to help
heal the gut? Some natural things to balance
hormones and to start, or a lot of women tuning
in are already on a health journey. Many of them
tuning in are already aware of, they may have
changed their diet, or they may need to change
their diet some more. They may do exercise or
may not, but they may need to do some more.
They’re already on a holistic path for the most
part. They’re already pretty in tune with their
bodies, but probably looking for that next level,
that next step, figure out, “How do I improve my
overall wellbeing and health and vitality, and
maybe heal some of these underlying issues that
are going on. So obviously there are principles
and foundations for everyone. And obviously you
can’t give medical advice to individual people on
this interview, but I think you’ve got some great
tips you could share with everyone.
Dr. Dunston: Yeah. Well, I think if they’re already
on a healing journey you’re probably eating pretty
clean, I would hope because we really literally
are what we eat. So that would be absolutely
number one and movement. But what I find for
most women, particularly once we hit 40, we
have programmed hormonal disruption starting
around the age of 35 or 40. And that’s because
our ovaries have programmed obsolescence.
We’re born with a certain number of eggs and
our eggs make the majority of our estrogen and
progesterone. Women’s two main sex hormones
that keep us healthy and happy and have a great
body weight with good energy.
And so it’s programmed that they’re basically
going to detonate around the time we’re 40
and going a little older. And so you’ve got to do
something to balance your hormones. For me,
hormones are the foundation of health, and I’m
going to explain to you why it’s very important
that everybody listening gets this.
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So when there’s a hurricane in an area, what’s the
first thing that has to happen in order to restore
functionality to an area? Think about Louisiana,
when they had horrible flooding. Electricity out,
people displaced from their homes, cars non-
functional because they’re under water, water
in people’s homes. People couldn’t get food,
no transportation, even the hospitals had no
electricity so it was really a disaster area. What’s
the first thing that has to happen to restore
functionality? They’ve got to get communication
back up. Phone lines and roads have to be
opened and put up so that they can communicate.
How many hospital beds do you need? How many
ambulances do you need? How many emergency
vehicles, fire trucks, what kind of food supplies?
What are we talking about?
Communication is the key to functionality in any
system. It’s not just in a geographical system, it’s
the same in your body because your body really
is a little city. You’ve got different neighborhoods.
You have the brain neighborhood. And it has
a certain function. Every neighborhood has
a personality and a function. You’ve got the
gastrointestinal neighborhood and it has a
function and personality and different types
of neighbors. You’ve got the musculoskeletal
neighborhood. And I think it’s like Manhattan,
which is where I grew up because it’s shaped like
that.
So the most vital system in your body is the
communication system, which originates in
your brain and it has two main branches. It has
your hard wired nervous system, which is like
when you plug your computer into the wall in
your house. And it has the wireless part of your
nervous system, which are your hormones which
is like using the wireless internet, like I’m using
right now to do this interview. And you’re hard
wired internet, like in your home and nervous
system is very stable. You plug your computer into
the wall, never have a problem, almost never. But
how many times do you have a problem with your
wireless internet? All the time I did an interview

yesterday and I think we froze. We had freezing
during the interview 10 times in an hour, which is
insane.
Well, your hormones are the same. Anytime you
have more moving parts, hormones are started
by being secreted in your brain and then go to
these different organs. There’s so many steps
that have to happen. There’s so many places
that things can go wrong. This is why hormone
disruption is rampant. Well, then you don’t have
communication. Your cells are looking for that
information to know from the hormones. What do
I do? And when they don’t have the information
on what to do, they’re like the third graders in
the classroom on a Tuesday when their regular
teacher is out sick and didn’t give a lesson plan
to the substitute teacher. What happens? They’re
doing spitballs. They’re running around playing
tag. They’re not doing any work because they
didn’t have communication.
Same thing in your body. Your cells are looking
for that information. What do you want me to do?
Do you want me to burn fat and get rid of it or
not? What do you want me to do? No instruction.
They’re just doing nothing. And that’s what
happens for women around that program time of
40. So if you don’t do something to address your
hormonal imbalance, it’s going to be really hard
for your body to do what it wants to do, which
is heal and give you energy and burn that fat to
make energy and give you all of the things that
it wants. So you’re going to need to balance your
hormones. So, number one is the eating a clean
diet and moving. That’s the basic. We’ve all got to
get that covered.
Nathan: Let me ask you before you go to number
two on eating real quick. What are your top three
foods that every woman after 40 absolutely needs
to avoid to help balance their hormones? Some
foods to avoid.
Dr. Dunston: Sugar, flour, which is sugar, and fast
carbs. So that would be bread, pasta, white rice,
white potatoes. Those would be my top three.
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Nathan: And sugar, you’re obviously talking
processed sugar. You’re talking corn syrup, you’re
talking white sugar, table sugar, added sugar to
box goods, all that kind of stuff.
Dr. Dunston: But I’m also talking about what
people think is good sugar that’s not. I’m talking
to you about agave, I’m talking about Turbinado
natural organic sugar. I’m talking about honey.
I’m talking about, well, agave syrup or other
maple syrup. A lot of people think, “I’m being
healthy. I’m eating Manuka honey.” No, honey,
you’re eating sugar. So it’s all sugar. It’s sugar, it’s
sugar, it’s sugar, it’s inflammatory. And it sticks
to all of the cells in your body. And it damages
them and inflames them, which is a problem for
your hormones, by the way. So sugar unbalances
your hormones. It’s impossible to balance your
hormones without getting rid of the sugar. And
that’s the first thing I take women through, is that
is the loose threads.
So if anyone here has ever been in knitter, I was
a big knitter in college. And I used to have three
sweater projects going at a time. I went to college
up in Pennsylvania where we routinely had snow
storms and it was freezing cold. So I had to knit
these big wool sweaters. So I had lots of balls of
yarn and I had a cat. And so if the cat got the yarn,
it would end up this big knotted mess all over the
floor and you’d have to pick it up. How do you
unknot that knotted ball of yarn? You have to find
the loose end. You’ve got to find the loose end.
And what’s the loose end with your hormones?
Your hormones, when they’re all out of balance,
it’s like a knotted ball yarn. The loose end is your
insulin hormone and your sugar. So you’ve got to
get rid of the sugar and don’t fool yourself like,
“I’m eating gluten free blueberry crumble every
morning for breakfast. I don’t care. It has sugar.
Nathan: What is your top replacement for sugar?
Because you can hear people tuning in go, “My
God, if I have to get rid of all the sugar, I’m going
to have nothing to eat.” Obviously it’s not true. I
don’t eat any processed sugar or almost never.
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But for people tuning in, what are your top
replacements for unhealthy sugar?
Dr. Dunston: So I’m a big fan of monk fruit
sweetener and stevia. But although I think people
find monk fruit sweetener more palatable. But
I will say this, that we all have a sweet set point.
And this is what Madison Avenue exploits when
they create foods that we can’t stop eating. Like,
“I can’t just eat one potato chip.” We have a salt
set point and we have a fat set point and we
have a sweet set point that we’re biologically
programmed to like. So our genes program us for
a survival advantage that we prefer things that are
really sweet and really bad and really salty
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So Madison Avenue knows this and so they
create process foods that exploit that, and
we can’t stop eating them. This means that if
the average person who’s having an exploited
sweet, salt, fat set point, their brain is hijacked
through their dopamine neurotransmitter to eat
those things. And so even if they try to cut back
on their sugar, most people go into cravings is
what I would say. And so the idea is, “Well, I can’t
give up all that sugar because I need to switch
over to these other things because I need that
taste.” But what you have to recognize is the
reason why your body wants that is because
your hormones are unbalanced. Your nervous
system is unbalanced. Your dopamine is depleted,
dopamine neurotransmitters, it’s your reward
neurotransmitter. It’s the reason we do anything
and everything.
Because whenever we do something that’s
rewarding, turn on the computer, get on a zoom
call, go outside, whatever it is, eat a potato chip,
our dopamine gets a hit. And so this concept that,
“I can’t give it up.” Basically what you’re saying is, “I
can’t give up my dopamine hits. Where am I going
to get my dopamine hits?” And you will find a lot
of people, they have to get it somewhere else.
So like people who have gastric bypass. They’re
not getting their dopamine hit from the food so
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then they there’s a high propensity to become an
alcoholic after that, then they get their dopamine
hit.
So anyway, I think that the idea is you need
to reset your set point. So I ask people to get
comfortable with enjoying the natural sweetness
in regular foods like berries. So when I was 243
pounds, I was obsessed with sugar. And I used to
think, “I’m going to go to the Cinnabon in the mall.
Some of you listening, you know what I’m talking
about. And I would literally, my mouth would start
watering. I would get this whole, “My God, I got to
go get Cinnabon.” And I would eat them. And after
awhile they didn’t even taste that sweet to me.
They just tasted what I thought was normal. Then
fast forward two years when I got off all the sugar
and got healthy, and I actually tasted a Cinnabon
and I really gagged because it’s so sweet. And
that’s because my sweet set point was so high.
And so what I like people to do is, you’re always
searching your taste buds for that level of
sweetness because you’re programmed at that
level. Get used to enjoying the taste, the natural
sweetness in berries. It doesn’t happen overnight.
You do need to go through a sugar detox honestly
to reset your brain, reset your dopamine, reset
your taste buds, reset your sweet point. But then
I don’t even keep that stuff in my house because
I don’t need it. And I just don’t even want it. I do
keep some monk fruit sweetener, and stevia, and
those are great alternatives if I do want something
sweet. So that’s what I would share.
Nathan: Yeah, that’s, that’s huge. And it definitely
goes a long way to do something like a cleanse
maybe a guided cleanse if you’ve never done
one before. The first cleanse I ever did was the
master cleanse in probably 2006, 2007, which
is five days of just water, and maple syrup, and
cayenne pepper and lemon juice. But that was it
for five days. I wouldn’t recommend anyone doing
your first cleanse with that one, but it turned me
on to this sense of cleaning out the body, giving
a break from eating food and kind of resetting,
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your palate. Because it does change, even if you
do a less intense cleanse, it maybe smoothies and
green juices and so forth, and you’ve got some
sweets in there so you’re not missing that as
much.
But when you go through any kind of a cleanse or
a sugar detox, certainly guided is ideal especially if
you’re dealing with any chronic health challenges.
Your body resets, your brain and your palate, your
taste buds, everything, and where I never used
to get pleasure out of eating a carrot or like the
taste of cabbage or enjoy a big salad and it’s like,
man, I look forward to a big salad now. I crave
it. I crave all those vegetables. I love fresh fruit
and fresh berries. And those flavors are so much
more enjoyable. Butt’s taken time over the years
of cleaning out the body and doing these resets
and these cleanses in these detoxes to get to that
point.
So I think that’s huge what you shared there. But
there’s an easy thing people can do. Get rid of the
processed sugar and start with some stevia and
some monk fruit. That’s one quick, easy thing. It’s
not going to solve everything, but at least it’s a
step in the right direction. So I’m glad you shared
that. And then you were going to share point
number two. You said, “Clean up the diet, make
sure you’re moving.” Obviously exercising and
working out is so important.
Dr. Dunston: Yeah. I include those in one. Those
are the basics. We all know we need to be doing
that. So if you’re not, you know you should. Just
do it. And then two is hormone balance, which
is what I’ve already talked about. And then three
is detoxifying the body. So that’s really the third
step is, 85,000 new toxins introduced into the
environment since the 1950s. The average woman
puts on 18 personal care products to her skin and
body before she leaves the house each morning.
Traces of 400 toxic chemicals are found in people
on autopsies.
So it’s not, do you have toxicity? It’s just how much
and what are you doing to prevent it from getting
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in you and to get it out? So a lot of it it’ll either
come in through our skin. It can be makeup,
toiletries, cosmetics, cleaning products in our
home, or we’re breathing it in or we’re swallowing
it. So a lot of it comes through our water and our
food.
So filtering your water to get rid of toxins, eating
organic food, and not using those … this is a
pet peeve of mine. Don’t use these artificial
fragrances. They are so bad for you. Proven
carcinogens, these plugins, stop, stop with the air
fresheners, stop with the plugins. Start with the
artificially scented candles. Stop with the perfume.
Stop with the scented deodorant, scented
shampoo, conditioner, laundry detergent, dryer
sheet. These are so full of toxins. You are literally,
you may as well just take the toxins and just eat
them. They’re make you so sick.
Nathan: Endocrine disruptors. No, they will mess
up your hormones in your body. We know it and
yet we are surrounded by them every day.
Dr. Dunston: We’re like, “Why are my hormones
so messed up?” I only to go to a bath and body
works and I got the latest scent and like, you got
plugin in your car and it’s just like, stop.
Nathan: It’s crazy that we live in a world that
allows these things to be marketed and sold. And
people have no idea that long-term health effects
of it is so drastic. You and I have known this for a
long time as many people in the functional health
field, for example, but they just finally, finally, I
saw for the first time on a mainstream media
outlet did an article about; they tested something
like 200 common body care products and
makeups and things like that and found hundreds
of known chemicals in them that are what we call
forever chemicals. Chemicals that just don’t break
down naturally.
And these are chemicals that are in as you said,
you put your lotion on, you put your makeup on
and you put your shampoo and your body wash
and then the scents in the sprays, into this, into
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that. And every single one of them has 3, 4, 6, 8,
10, 12, 15 endocrine disruptors, cancer causing,
probable carcinogens, known carcinogens. And
the way they get away with it is because they
say, “Well, look, it’s such a low minute dose. This
one carcinogen, it’s not going to affect you.” Yet,
it’s got 12 in there and you’re putting it on every
single day for years and years.
And then we wonder why cancer went from less
than a percent, 100 years ago to almost 50%
of people. We wonder why millions and tens of
millions of people have auto-immune disease
today. We wonder why so many women are
dealing with these hormone issues. We wonder
why we say we’ve extended lifespan yet quality
of life has gone drastically down because people
are so sick for so long. And toxins are such a huge
part of it. So I’m glad you brought that up. And so
what are your key tips for women to detox safely
and get some of these toxins out of their life?
Dr. Dunston: Well, first is just stopping them
from getting inside of you. Eat organic vegetables
and fruits. So stop eating toxins and get rid
of the artificial flavorings, artificial colorings,
preservative. Eat from the perimeter of the
grocery store, food in its natural state, as close to
it as you, excuse me, can. Filter your water so stop
it from going through your mouth.
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Just stop with the artificial scents. Get a scent
free laundry detergent. Although I would go even
further because even if it’s scent free, it may
not have a toxic scent, but it still can have toxic
chemicals in it.
So I would get a natural brand like Seventh
Generation is one of my favorite. Same for your
dishwasher detergent, dish detergent, laundry
detergent. Don’t use a dryer sheet, stop using
bleach and get products that are all natural and
unscented, paraben-free. Gone are the days when
you can just abdicate control of your health to
the medical system. If you do, you’re just going
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to have various degrees of ailing health until you
die and be on a lot of medications and highly
medicalized and procedurized.
You really have to become CEO of your own
health and be educated enough to understand
how your body works and what it needs and what
it doesn’t need and so you stop the toxins from
getting in. And then you’ve got to usher them
out. And that mainly is about your sanitation
department in your city, which is your liver
and your gut. Your liver is the main sanitation
department and dumps the trash into your gut,
which goes out in your poo.
One of the biggest things the average woman can
do is make herself poo two to three times a day,
because that’s how God made you is to poo two
to three times a day. So if you’re not, then there’s
something wrong. Mainstream medicine doesn’t
consider that constipation, but we know it’s a
dysfunctional problem. And you’re supposed to
be taking out the trash. Pooing two to three times
a day, you have a reflex called the gastrocolic
reflex. What does that mean? Gastro is your
stomach. Colic is your colon reflex. Stomach fills,
colon is supposed to empty and you’re supposed
to poop. That’s how you’re made. So if that’s not
happening, there’s something dysfunctional.
So you got to make sure you’re pooping. And I
find that that corrects a lot of toxicity problems,
but then you’ve got to make sure that your
sanitation department is able to process all
the toxins and dump them out. And really that
requires usually some type of vegetables have
a lot more specifically the Brassica family. Like
broccoli has a lot of enzymes in it that rev those
liver enzymes up to help get that stuff out.
So you want to be taking supplements like
that and eating lots of fresh vegetables and
taking a Hardy multivitamin, mineral nutrients
supplement. I’m not talking about a one a day.
You’re better off not taking that because if you
read the ingredients, all the toxins it has in it, it’s
just adding to the problem. So you will be taking
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loose fill capsules, usually about 10 to 14 a day to
get the adequate supplementation. But your body
needs those nutrients, those workers in order to
run your sanitation department.
Nathan: Beautiful. I love all your metaphors and
your analogies and your storytelling. You’re able
to take some really complex issues and make
them simple and easy for people to understand.
So as we wrap up here, any final words of
inspiration, any final words that you want to
share with everyone tuning in in terms of, I love
what you just said, “Become the CEO of your own
health. Don’t outsource it to your doctor or to
anybody else, educate yourself and take action.”
That’s just such a perfect approach to human
health for the future is becoming the CEO of our
own health. Any final thoughts on that?
Dr. Dunston: I would say that don’t look on it
like a chore. I would hope that you wouldn’t.
Sometimes women say to me, “What, to do all
that. I can’t just go to the doctor and get a pill?”
And I say, “Look at it as a privilege. This is the
vehicle with which you get to go through life.”
And also my bigger reason for doing what I do,
sure, I want to get you healthy. I want you to lose
weight. I want you to have energy. I want you to
have a good mood. I want you to have all those
things, but it’s sneaky because I do believe that
we each have gifts that we’re meant to deliver to
humanity, whatever that is. Whether it’s gardening
and cultivating the perfect garden, or it’s picking
up the trash in a beautiful way, or it’s you name
what it is.
I do believe we each have our gift. And I know that
if you don’t feel good, you don’t feel whole inside
your own skin, that you’re not bringing your gifts.
You’re not bringing your gifts. And so my sneaky
way of getting you to bring your gifts is to help
you get healthy and then you bring your gifts.
So I want you to see your taking control of your
health. And it’s really my goal to empower women,
to understand how their bodies work, to be able
to navigate them to the best health possible. It’s
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really an honor and an expression of your soul’s
purpose in this lifetime. So I think when you see
it like that, it makes it an adventure, an exciting
adventure that you get to do this, not that you
have to do this.
Nathan: I love it. Now, you’ve got a new approach
that pulls you forward towards something exciting
rather than trying to push against it because
I have to do it. So there’s two quick and final
questions we ask all of our speakers. So it’s called
the Wisdom of the Body Summit. The modules are
also based on being taught from 5,000-year-old,
ancient Eastern traditional medicine and energy
medicine. And so we ask these two questions to
every speaker at the end, which is what is the
wisdom of the body mean to you? And what does
energy mean to you and to the work that you do
in working with women? And you could answer
those together or separately, however you want.
Dr. Dunston: So the first was, what does the
wisdom of the body mean?
Nathan: Yeah.
Dr. Dunston: I think that we are all born with
an internal GPS. That is our soul’s knowing of
what we’re here for, or how to get there, and
what we need to express in this lifetime. And I
think the wisdom is tuning into that. I do think
we’re socialized away from that at a very young
age. Don’t eat when you’re hungry, eat when it’s
dinnertime. Don’t go to the bathroom when you
feel the urge to go to the bathroom, go when
the teacher says you can go. And that’s this very
subtle socialization that happens and trains us
away from our true innate wisdom.
So part of what I teach women is rekindling their
relationship with their body. I call it “her”. With
her, talking to her, listening to her, asking her
what she wants, because she knows. The body is
the subconscious mind and she knows everything
that you need, but you’ve been not listening to her
for most people for decades. You’ve been saying,
“Shut up.” She’s like, “I can’t sleep. Something’s

wrong.” And what do you do? You give her a pill
and you say, “Shut up and take this pill.”“I have a
headache,” she says. You say, “Shut up and take
this medicine.” Instead of discerning the deeper
message under that symptom.
Your symptoms are a gift to tell you something’s
wrong to pay attention and something’s wrong
and I need a drug to shut off the symptom. But
something’s wrong is, “My hormones are out of
balance. I have too much toxicity. I have all these
imbalances.” So the body knows. And so until you
rekindle that relationship you’re really going to be
lost in life because that internal GPS is silenced.
And then what was the next question about
energy?
Nathan: Well, first that was beautiful. Such
a great practical thing to reconnect with that
wisdom of our body, that inner wisdom. And think
of our body as this extension of ourselves. Your
body’s speaking to you when it has pains and
symptoms. And I love what you said. It’s like, “Well,
shut up, take this pill. You shut up. You don’t
matter here. Take this, do that.” Versus, “Why
are you speaking to me this way? What’s really
going on here? What do you need?” Asking those
questions and getting in tune with your body.
And so the second question is, what does energy
mean to you and/or how is it significant or relate
to the work that you do?
Dr. Dunston: Energy? Well, what I teach is that
we’re not just this lump of flesh and bones. We
have an energy body, it’s actually larger than our
physical body. It’s been known by various cultures
for thousands of years, the ancient Chinese with
traditional Chinese medicine, for instance. They
have acupuncture points and they’ve delineated
beautifully. The acupuncture meridians, the
energy meridians that run throughout the body
and they actually extend past the body. But
acupuncturist can’t put a needle in the air, so they
don’t generally access it. They only access it on
the body because these meridians run through.
But they’re not putting the needle into manipulate
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your physical flesh. They’re putting the needle in
an energetic meridian, through which this current
of energy runs through. And this energy body is
also recognized in Indian traditional cultures and
others, where they talk about shoppers and the
spinning wheels.
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And one of my favorite books is Anatomy of the
Spirit by Caroline Myss. So I teach women that
you have this energy body and it’s very connected
with what Doctor Meritza calls, your intangibles,
thoughts, feelings, and beliefs. The things that no
scientists could pinpoint anywhere in your body
or your brain are a part of this system. And it’s
very tied into your hormonal system and your
neurologic system and your immune system.
So you’ve got to address this and if you don’t, it’s
almost impossible to get optimal physical health.
So that was a party part of my story too, was really
looking at limiting beliefs and how this energy
body was stuck. I did get a lot of acupuncture and
do a lot of energy work. There’s so many tools
that you can use to help release that energy so
that it could flow freely.
Nathan: Beautiful. That was so well said. Doctor
Kyrin, I just want to thank you so much for taking
the time for being here for sharing all your great
wisdom and stories and inspiration. I really
appreciate it. And I think this has been a really
helpful, so thank you so much.
Dr. Dunston: Thanks so much for having me,
Nathan. It’s really a pleasure to be here.
Nathan: And I want to encourage everyone
tuning in, head over to kyrindunstonmd.com. You
can learn more about working with her and her
team and all the programs and various things you
can get involved in there. The great resources
that she has at her website. I want to thank all of
you for being here with us during the Wisdom of
the Body Masterclass and Summit. I wish you all
ultimate health and happiness. Take care.