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Brandon Turner - Rental Property Investing Notes
Brandon Turner - Rental Property Investing Notes
I’ll be releasing those notes on the same subreddit I released these on! They should be done
within the next two months.
Notes on
“Rental Property Investing”
by Brandon Turner
1. Appreciation
a. Natural - Time, Economy, Area Growth
b. Forced - Rehab, Renovation, and Additions
c. This is icing on the cake, not the main return on investment. Bad deals with
speculative appreciation are still bad deals
2. Cash Flow
a. Calculated by income from all investments - expenses from all investments
b. Can be pre calculated with historical and estimated standard data
c. This is the key to a solid and stable return on investment
d. Needs to be present ASAP once you purchase
3. Tax Savings
a. Achieved by collaborating with a good investment based CPA
b. Tax savings still don’t make a bad deal good
4. Loan Paydown
a. Using rent $ to pay the loan down can increase cash flow once it’s paid
b. Is automatic like appreciation
c. Amoritization = Interest:Principal ratio
The down payment size is less important than the quality of the deal. For example, 100k with
30% down = 70k leverage. 70k with 0% down = 70k leverage. The deal is what is important, and
the higher investment means more risk.
You must be able to understand the local market and analyze good deals with your local market
data.
Always keep 6 months of property costs as reserves for security in case of vacancy or disaster.
The right team, reserves, plan, research, and preventative maintenance can limit your risk.
4. Business or Hobby
a. They treat it like a hobby, or like a job, instead of like a business
b. They treat tenants like friends
c. They don’t have clear policies or systems
d. They don’t think of themselves as a CEO
4. BRRRR Strategy
a. Kin to house flipping but maintaining ownership of the asset
Neighborhood Classes
1. Class A
a. New buildings
b. Popular restaurants
c. Best schools
d. Wealthiest population
e. Highest cost
2. Class B
a. Older version of Class A
b. Con - Usually more upkeep and maintenance
3. Class C
a. Less wealth
b. Cheaper properties
c. Con - Usually more repairs and rehab needed
4. Class D
a. Basically a warzone
b. Not safe
c. Do not buy
Value adding investors like to buy class C properties in class B neighborhoods and benefit from
the increased appreciation once it is brought up to the local standard.
Location Tips
1. Always check crime data
a. www.crimereports.com
2. Always check school data
a. www.greatschools.org
3. Always check market unemployment
a. www.city-data.com
b. High unemployment means more and stricter screening
4. Check local price to rent ratios (Jonesboro = .5 - 1%)
5. Check with other local landlords about vacancy rates
6. Check floodplains to see if you need flood insurance (don’t be afraid of these props)
7. Check the property tax and valuation
8. Check cost of landlord insurance
Submitting an Offer
On an MLS Property
- Agents are typically free for the buyer
- Selling agent CAN be the buying agent but it’s conflicting sometimes
Points to Negotiate
- Price
- Closing date and location
- Contingencies
- Financing (seller, bank, private, etc.)
- Closing costs
- Home warranty
- Repairs
- Credits (for repairs not made before sale, contingencies, etc)
- Possession date
- Items left behind
13 Negotiation Tips
1. Be prepared to walk away
2. Know your role (buyer vs seller market)
3. Always get the last concession
4. Find the true motivation for their sale
5. Use a red herring
a. “ (low ball) is my offer, but you have to leave the appliances
b. They’ll think they win by keeping the appliances and taking the low offer
6. Institute a penalty for concessions (time between communication, etc)
7. Stick to your numbers, and give them the data
8. Don’t get offended
9. Negotiate with comparative property data
10. Don’t be insulting
11. Let them feel good, offer lower than your max and let them bring you up
12. Demonstrate why you’re a good buyer (renovation, care, etc)
13. Go lower than their lowest price
Financing Options
1. All Cash
a. No debt
b. Less ROI
c. Higher Cash Flow
d. More Taxation
e. No loan paydown
f. Less benefit from appreciation
g. More liability in some aspects
h. Can finance at any point to leverage later
2. Conventional Loan
a. 20-30% down
b. DTI (debt to income ratio) requirement
c. Steps
i. Shop
ii. Pre approval
iii. Submit a property plan
iv. Underwriting
v. Appraisal
vi. Underwriting part II
vii. Close
d. Low interest
e. Long terms
f. Professional financing
g. Max # of loans = around 10
h. Slow processing
i. Contingent on property condition
j. Not entity friendly (i.e. LLC)
3. Portfolio Lenders
a. Local Banks
b. Higher Interest
c. Shorter Term
d. Balloon Payments Possibly
4. Private Lenders
a. Hard money then seasoned mortgage
b. 6-12% interest
5. Home Equity Loans, Partnerships, or Seller Financing
How to Get a Loan Approved
1. Convince the loan officer you deserve the loan (easy)
2. Get THEM to convince the underwriter (hard)
a. They know making no deal is better than taking a bad deal
2. It’s a BUSINESS
a. See pg. 286
b. Make office hours
c. Automatic rent collection
2. Seller financing
a. Higher sales price usually
b. Lower tax bill
c. Passive income
d. Use a lawyer for this
3. Cash out
a. TAXES
Book Recommendations
1. The book on flipping houses by J. Scott
a. Estimating Rehab Costs
2. Ultimate Beginner’s Guide to REI
a. Free
b. www.biggerpockets.com/ubg
3. The Book on Estimating Rehab Costs by J. Scott (Specific to rehab costs)
Addendums
Brandon Turner’s “The Book on Investing in Real Estate with No or Low money down”
Formula: Max offer = ARV - Fixed costs - Investor’s desired profit - wholesale fee - rehab costs
Fixed Costs
- Inspection Costs: ~$400
- Lender Fees: ~$1,000
- Closing Costs: ~$2,000 or ~3%
- Mortgage Payments: ~Est Mortgage Value
- Property Taxes: ~$600 (Estimate)
- Utilities: ~$1,000
- Insurance: ~$200
- Commissions: ~$4,000 or ~3%
- Selling Closing Costs (If Flipping / Wholesaling): ~$4,000 or ~3%
- Home Warranty: ~$500
- Termite Letter: ~$100
- MLS Fees: ~$100
Every market is different, calculate all fixed costs before running the numbers
Example:
$147,333 ARV
-$19,000 Fixed Costs
-$20,000 Desired Profit
-$10,000 Wholesale Fee
-$20,000 Rehab Costs
= $78,333 Maximum Offer (Pretty close to the 70% rule, but a bit more exact)