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Sunday, November 2, 2008: Main Committee Meetings
Sunday, November 2, 2008: Main Committee Meetings
Sunday, November 2, 2008: Main Committee Meetings
5. ADJOURNMENT
3. ADJOURNMENT 12:00 PM
3. ADJOURNMENT 5:00 PM
3. ADJOURNMENT 5:00 PM
Respectfully submitted,
Neven Krstulovic-Opara
Chairman, ACI 376
Minutes
Main Committee Meeting
ATTENDANCE
Voting Members: Kare Hjorteset Associate Members:
Neven Krstulovic, Chairman George Hoff Tom Ballard
Piotr Moncarz Secretary Richard Hoffman Nick Lombardi
Tom Howe Paul Sullivan
Junius Allen Joe Hoptay
Dale Berner Dajiu Jiang
Hamish Douglas
Visitors:
Jameel Khalifa Jeff Garrison
Michael Brannan Steve Meier
Charles Hanskat Robert Nussmeier
Rolf Pawski
R.S. Rajan
1. CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Krstulovic at 11 A.M.
2. AGENDA
The Chairman provided copies of the Los Angeles meeting minutes (Appendix A). Meeting Minutes were unanimously approved.
ACI 376 – Houston, Full Committee Meeting Minutes, June 19 & 20, 2008
ACI 376 Committee Concrete Structures for RLG Containment
4. OLD BUSINESS
None.
6. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 5:00 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Piotr Moncarz, Secretary
ACI 376 – Houston, Full Committee Meeting Minutes, June 19 & 20, 2008
ACI 376 Committee Concrete Structures for RLG Containment
ACI 376 – Houston, Full Committee Meeting Minutes, June 19 & 20, 2008
ACI 376 Committee Concrete Structures for RLG Containment
ACI 376 – Houston, Full Committee Meeting Minutes, June 19 & 20, 2008
ACI 376 / 376 R Last Update: 6 / 20 / 2008
INTRODUCTION & CHAPTER I – GENERAL
1st Ballot – 5/19 – 6/18/2008 &
Full Committee Houston Meeting on 6 / 19 – 20 / 2008
Page 1 of 15
Latest Text Reviewed Vote Committee Members’ COMMENTS Author RESPONSE Notes
ADD MISSING
DEFINITIONS FROM
THE LA MEETING
INTRODUCTION
(paragraph 1)
This Code and Commentary was prepared by ACI
Committee 376. The formation of Committee 376 and the
drafting of this document were undertaken in response to a
request in February 2003 bt the National Fire Protection
Association (NFPA) Technical Committee 59A on
Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG). That Committee is
responsible for NFPA Standard 59A, “Standard for the
Production, Storage, and Handling of Liquefied Natural
Gas (LNG)”, which is an internationally recognized
document governing the production, storage and handling
of one particular refrigerated liquefied gas, LNG, at an
operating temperature of –265o F (-165o C).
The narrative in the Introduction & Chapter 1 is good, Hatfield, Meier, Hoptay, Berner, Douglas, DJ, Hoffmann,
but falls short when compared to the elevation Figures Alan Pawski, NKO, Howe, Hjorteset, Brannan, Jamel – 12
AA.1-7 to be merged into Chapter 7, Detailing. To add of 12
clarity to the figures to match the words in Chapter 7, it
is recommended that additional figures be added to
cover all listed methods for sealing the primary tank for Hatfield Comment.
liquid tightness at cryogenic temperature, or provide The comment is non –persuasive because it is not
footnotes on the existing figures to explain these applicable to this section. And the detailing Chapter 7
options. To be specific, we have listed: adequately covers the issues raised.
1. traditional full containment tanks with a primary 9%
Ni tank and outer concrete secondary containment Pawski comments.
structure where the 9% NI primary tank is not Fix typo highlighted: “bt” to “by”
Change “document” highlighted to “standard.”
dependent on the outer concrete wall for structural
integrity. The design of htis type of inner tank has been
previously covered by API620.
2. full containment tanks with a primary concrete tank
with various methods for obtaining liquid tightness and
outer concrete secondary containment to include the
primary concrete tank having:
ACI 376 / 376 R Last Update: 6 / 20 / 2008
INTRODUCTION & CHAPTER I – GENERAL
1st Ballot – 5/19 – 6/18/2008 &
Full Committee Houston Meeting on 6 / 19 – 20 / 2008
Page 2 of 15
(INTRODUCTION - paragraph 3)
While the NFPA request was related specifically to the
containment of LNG, it was decided that ACI Code and
Commentary address the use of concrete for other
refrigerated liquids as well, ranging in operating
temperatures from –20o F (-29o C) to –265o F (-165o C).
(INTRODUCTION - paragraph 5)
Agreed this is editorial change 11 of 11 committee
The most common use of reinforced concrete and
“The most common use of reinforced concrete and prestressed Hoptay, members.
prestressed concrete in cryogenic storage applications is for concrete in cryogenic storage applications is for secondary Joseph
ACI 376 / 376 R Last Update: 6 / 20 / 2008
INTRODUCTION & CHAPTER I – GENERAL
1st Ballot – 5/19 – 6/18/2008 &
Full Committee Houston Meeting on 6 / 19 – 20 / 2008
Page 3 of 15
secondary containment around metal primary storage tanks there are a number of installations, in North America and in Meier, Hoptay, Berner, Douglas, DJ, Hoffmann,
– although there are a number of installations, in North Europe, where prestressed concrete has been used for primary Pawski, NKO, Howe, Hjorteset, Brannan
America and in Europe, where prestressed concrete has containment that is with the tank contents with the concrete in Resolves Hoptay and Brannan comments.
direct contact with the concrete with the tank contents.”
been used for primary containment, that is with the concrete The most common use of reinforced concrete and
in direct contact with the tank contents. prestressed concrete in cryogenic storage applications
is for secondary containment around metal primary
storage tanks. – although there are a number of
installations, Installations were built in North
Add the following: America and in Europe during the 1960’s through
“Interest in concrete containment of RLG has increased due to 1980’s with prestressed concrete primary
the robust character of concrete structures, potential cost Brannan containment., where prestressed concrete has been
savings, potential schedule reduction, interest in sustainability, used for primary containment, that is with the concrete
use of local labor and use of local materials.” in direct contact with the tank contents. Renewed
interest in the use of concrete for primary containment
and the need for a code that addressed secondary
concrete containment has led to the development of
this Code.
CHAPTER 1 – GENERAL
1.0 – Scope The first paragraph refers to containment which typically implies
secondary containment and not storage. Suggest revising:
This Standard provides the minimum requirements This Standard provides the minimum requirements for the design and
for the design and construction of concrete and construction of concrete and prestressed concrete structures for the
Hoptay,
prestressed concrete structures for the containment storage and containment of refrigerated liquefied gases (RLG) with
service temperatures between -200 F (-200 C) and -2680 F (-1650 C). Joseph
of refrigerated liquefied gases (RLG) with service
temperatures between -200 F (-200 C) and -2680 F (-
The Container design shall include the design of the primary and
1650 C).
secondary container walls, its foundation (footing and floor slab), and the
concrete portions of its roof, whenever applicable.
Container design shall include the design of the
container wall, its foundation (footing and floor slab), Should be (-290 C) and -2700 F (-1680 C).
and the concrete portions of its roof, whenever
This temperature range will go down to LNG but not
applicable. Brannan
nitrogen -3210 F or oxygen -2980 F. Should we consider
the other gases with lower liquid temperatures?