TRANSCRIPTION MRS.

EVY
Group 4

00:00 – Maghfirotul Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh

00:30 Laily (LY) We are from group four, we will interview Mrs.
Evy about Civic Education in Elementary
School. First, how long has Mrs. Evy taught in
this Elementary School?
00:31 - Evy Started in 2004 it means 15 years.
00:40 Rosalina
S.Pd (VR)
00:41 - LY It’s been a long time, ma’am. During teaching,
00:54 is there any challenge? Such as in the student
or the teacher.
00:55 - VR Surely, the challenge with the student is they
01:14 are unruly because they have different
character, such as hard character and weak
character. The challenge with the teacher is
sometimes there is a little conflict, such as
having different opinions. Just like that, not too
fierce.
01:24 - LY What changes did you feel on Civic Education
01:32 in Elementary School from the past until now?
01:33 - VR The changing, I don’t think too much. But, for
02:08 now the 2013 curriculum emphasizes returning
to the Pancasila. In the past, there was
Pancasila Education and then it’s changed to
Civic Education. In the past, Civic Education
is only about rights, obligations, and civic.
Now, Civic Education leads to the application
of Pancasila precepts.
02:09 - Khoirun Is there any difficulties during teaching? Or
02:15 Nisa (NS) You don’t have difficulty because you have
been teaching for long time so become
 habitual.
02:16 - VR The difficulty must be there, because every
02:39 year facing different children. In Civic
Education, the difficulty is about how to apply
to the children at present-day.
02:44 - NS What materials is taught by Civic Education in
02:50 Elementary School?
02:52 - VR Overall, I don’t get too much information
03:04 because I’m handling fifth grade. I know only
in fifth grade and fourth grade is focus on
applying the Pancasila practice.
03:07 – Sholihatul What are the examples of Pancasila practice?
03:09 Ummah
(SH)
03:10 - VR The example of Pancasila practice is like the
03:25 fourth precept is connected with daily activity
and it’s led to the rights and obligations.
03:30 - LY Civic Education has developed since
03:58 Independence era. In the Old Order and New
Order, Civic education has been exist. Is there
a significant difference?
04:02 - VR As far as I know, in Old Order and New Order
05:19 there isn’t Civic Education. It only focus on
Pancasila and History. As far as I remember,
Civic Education had been exist when I was
Senior High School around the 90s. I took
Social Sciences, at that time there was Civic
Education and Constitutional are became one.
In the Reform Era, after becoming elementary
school teacher on 2004, Civic Education
already exist in Elementary School named
Pancasila Moral Education (PMP). The
combination between Civic Education and
Social Sciences is called PBSB. The changing
 is not too drastic.
05:23 – NS According to Mrs. Evy, what is the difference
05:35 between Education Unit Level Curriculum
(KTSP) and the 2013 Curriculum?
05:36 - VR If KTSP there are in each subjects. Actually,
06:35
the subject doesn’t change too much, maybe
it’s only from Basic Competencies (KD). In the
past, I didn’t teach Civic Education so I didn’t
really know about it. Now, thematic is
collected in one package. But, in the past in
each subject. In terms of learning, students are
easier to understand with KTSP system. If
thematic, the basis of assessment is depended
by attitude. So, it’s not only the student’s
knowledge evaluated but also their attitude.
06:36 - LY According to Mrs. Evy, which one is better
06:43 KTSP or K13? In application to the students.
06:44 - VR In my opinion, every curriculum has minus and
07:11 plus. To me as teacher, prefer to teach thematic
methods. But, in the terms of result or how to
evaluate prefer KTSP system.
07:12 NS Why ma’am?
07:13 - VR Because the material of KTSP is deep, so it can
07:38 be focus on reviewing. The example on Civic
Education is only teach about it. While
thematic when discussing Civic Education can
go to Indonesian language and also to Science.
In the terms of knowledge value is better
KTSP, and the teaching side in the class is
better using Thematic.
07:39 - SH Is the learning method different?
07:41
07:42 - VR Of course, if KTSP the teaching method is
08:08 monotonous there isn’t variation. It’s like if we
want to focus on Mathematics just
 Mathematics, Science only focus Science. If in
Thematic, when teaching Science in the middle
there is SDDP. So, in the middle of Science
learning there is singing that related to Science.
It makes the student not boring.
08:10 - NS Is there the similarities?
08:13
08:14 - VR I don’t find the similarities. To me, it’s
09:34 different. In terms of the assessment, the
attitude is bigger. Thematic in attitude
assessment 60% and knowledge 40%. While in
KTSP only knowledge, there isn’t attitude
assessment, it’s just make the student smart. In
KTSP, the attitude of student are ignored it’s
only from their own teacher. If Thematic the
curriculum has been exist, if KTSP the
character of student depends on the teacher
who teaches. If the teacher want to build
character, so the character will appear. But if
the teacher teaches casually and the most
important is only lesson have been given, so
the result is only knowledge ability. In
Thematic must be appeared positive attitude,
so the teacher is required to evaluate the
student attitude.
09:35 - SH Is there the easiest material in Civic Education
09:47 to be taught to the student?
09:48 - VR For children, Civic Education is difficult.
10:42 Because it’s abstract not concrete. While the
children need something concrete. If we
discuss about Civic Education, what can be
concretized? The practice of Pancasila is
abstract, the children are told to imagine and it
 must be difficult to implement. For us as
adults, it’s easy. By talking, election of the
household chairman, and discussion. For
children, what discussion is? They don’t
understand because it can’t be proven. If
explaining about fragment, for example by
carrying fragmented watermelons. This
fragment can be concretized. While Civic
Education can’t be concretized. The difficulty
is directing the children in thinking.
10:44 - LY Is there any difficult material? Such as
10:51 institutions.
10:53 - VR Until fifth grade, it seems there isn’t institution
11:20 material only focus on Pancasila. If in the past
there is institution material such as MPR, DPR
but now there isn’t. KTSP material is difficult,
so there is transformation from KTSP to K13.
Civic Education for K13 only focus on
Pancasila.
11:21 NS From what class, ma’am?
11:22 - VR From first grade until fifth grade is Pancasila.
11:32
11:33 NS How about sixth grade, ma’am?
11:34 - VR I don’t really know about sixth grade.
11:36
11:38 - LY According Mrs. Evy, what is Learning
11:54 Experience based on Civic Education? So,
Mrs. Evy shared your experience and then it’s
applied to Civic Education. Can it be?
11:56 - VR If it’s like that, it will be able. But bringing the
12:51 student to imagine that’s difficult. Because the
children isn’t easy to daydream. People who
can imagine is like to daydream. For example,
how the children are given something real that
happened and they could see it every day. So,
 when we taught Civic Education in Elementary
School the direction must be given an example.
Exemplifying traffic jam from they go to
school and if there are people who behaving
like this, what do they do? It must be like that
to make them understand. So, what they have
seen must be connected with Pancasila. The
Pancasila precepts are related with daily
activity.
13:00 – Afwatun According to Mrs. Evy, does Civic Education
13:07 Rohmah has duty to carry out the value education?
(FW)
13:08 - VR Exactly the character or attitude exists in the
13:27 Civic Education and evaluates to religion if in
K13. Civic Education must build character.
13:37 LY Does Mrs. Evy know about the history of Civic
Education in Indonesia?
13:39 VR Umm, no.
13:41 NS Why, ma’am?
13:42 – VR I have no clue, because I have known Civic
14:12 Education when I was Senior High School.
When I was Junior High School, Civic
Education wasn’t exist. It’s just knowledge and
only taught. Because actually no one likes
Civic Education, right? Taking care of country
that actually we don’t need to think about it
because the country exists by itself.
14:13 - NS Ma’am, what major do you take in college?
14:16 Which university?
14:17 – VR Education of Elementary School Teacher in
14:20 Malang University.
14:30 - SH The implementation of Pancasila with giving
14:41 examples, it happens only in the family,
community, or how ma’am?
14:42 – VR It’s just surroundings students, can’t be far
15:27 away. For example, the possibility can be far
but only viral news that the children knew,
maybe on television, internet, it will be able to
be connected. If the student suddenly are told
about new viral case it’s the minister of
religion, they don’t understand if it’s connected
to Civic Education. So, it’s only light news
isn’t hard and makes the student think
complex. It won’t work.
15:47 - NS As long as you teach ma’am, how was the
15:56 experience?
16:00 - VR There isn’t impressive thing. It’s just standard,
16:33 because all subjects become one. If KTSP can
focus on one subject and the teacher can focus
too. Last time when it was KTSP, I taught
Science. In fourth, fifth, sixth grade are each
subject and in first, second, third grade all
subject become one. And now thematic from
first until sixth grade the subject become one,
so there isn’t special experience.
16:36 - NS According to Mrs. Evy, what suggestions for
16:54 prospective teacher especially Civic Education
teacher?
16:56 - VR The suggestion is finding a learning model that
17:32 can directing the student’s abstract thinking
and can apply the Civic Education. The point
of the implementation is how to be good
citizenship for students. Because so far, Civic
Education hasn’t has a learning model that can
make students understand immediately, it’s still
abstract and the explanation of examples is
only in community
17:33 - NS So, we are as prospective teacher must be more
17:44 creative to make the student can imagine what
 we mean.
17:45 - VR Because sometimes the effect of Civic
18:09 Education is memorizing. Well, how the
method isn’t memorizing but can hit right
away. It’s like when the students were fourth
grade, then fifth grade, and in sixth grade the
memorizing will forget. How the method isn’t
memorizing, because all this time the focus is
on memorizing, right?
18:11 - SH Do you handle high class from the beginning?
18:15
18:16 - VR No, it starts from second grade at 2005-2010,
18:34 then sixth grade at 2011-2012, and fourth grade
at 2013.
18:35 NS Does it change every year?
18:36 - VR Actually not, but the change will happen if the
18:47 class need a teacher who has proper character.
18:48 - LY Do you know about three competence?
19:09 According to Mrs. Evy how if it’s related to
Civic Education?
19:13 - VR The cognitive value of PKN is do the student
19:45 know about rights and obligations, and about
how to practice the precepts of Pancasila. The
affective value is the application in daily
activity, for example the students apply the
second percepts with helping their friend. I
think, there’s no the psychomotor value.
19:46 NS Why, ma’am?
19:47 - VR Psychomotor is skill, right? Well, what skills in
19:54 Civic Education?
19:56 – LY Maybe, the skill to argue.
20:02
20:03 - VR Oh yes, maybe can be discussion. But actually
20:19 every learning must have three value.
20:21 - SH So in the classroom is there discussion,
20:26 ma’am? It can make the students can express.
20:28 - VR Yes, there is. Now every learning in thematic
20:36 there is discussion and presentation for
students.
20:38 - NS So, every student there is practice for
20:45 presentation?
20:47 - VR Every day the student must be in groups.
21:30 Thematic obligate the students be brave to be
responsible, behave, and expression. Actually
thematic is complete packet, and KTSP
depended on teacher that decide the learning
model with making discussion or not. In
thematic everything is there.
21:32 - NS So, presentation system is from first grade,
21:35 ma’am?
21:36 - VR Sure, from first grade has exists. Thematic is
23:04 complete packet. I told you earlier that I prefer
Thematic teaching methods, but if the value of
knowledge is weak because the assessment is
global. If KTSP only the result but now the
attitude. Attitude doesn’t have benchmark and
it’s relative. In my family when passing old
man must bow with saying ‘nuwun sewu’ and
it’s normal, but in my friend’s family it’s
abnormal. Well, for attitude assessment we try
to unit with inviting students to be polite and
speak softly to older people. The assessments
is global and difficult, so thematic is not based
on the result. It’s like the children bow to the
parent is good action, even though they get
score 20 on Civic Education. 60% attitude and
40% result.
23:08 - Thata Habi If so, does it have an impact on exam?
23:21 Nugroho Thematic only prioritize attitude.
(TN)
23:23 - VR Definitely yes, it has impact so the teacher
23:41 confused. Do we follow curriculum with build
a positive character for children or we must
follow the government to do examination with
minimum score. Finally the teacher confused.
23:42 LY Is the school implementing a minimum score?
23:43 - VR Yes, it’s still. Heard the plan about vision and
24:41 mission, if the president changes the National
Examination will be abolished. For the teacher
is happy, because the impact of Thematic is a
positive character isn’t high knowledge. But
National Examination still available, it won’t
work. Building people isn’t easy, they from
different parent’s character. Not all of them are
accompanied by their parents every day and
not all the parents have positive character.
Then children are schooled by behaving
positively but with high score. How can it be?
24:42 - LY They want high score even by cheating.
24:45
24:46 - VR Building positive behavior isn’t easy. For
26:23 example, when the students sneezed and
yawned must close their mouths. Reminding
the students to do that isn’t only once. Even
one semester is still reminded, with the
teachers build character, it’s like making the
base but we have to build another part even
though the foundation hasn’t stood upright,
how it can be?
K13 in Elementary School should be 70% or
60% for attitude and 40% for knowledge. In
Junior High School become 60:40, Senior High
School become 50:50, and then in college the
 skill and knowledge is higher because attitude
has been built before. If attitude has been built,
it will be easy to fulfill material. It’s like when
the students came to the class they have
positive behavior with respecting the teachers
and they won’t be naughty. So, the teacher will
be fine to give any material. While if the
students have negative behavior, when the
teacher give material and they play in the
behind class, then how? The dilemma is about
we must obey K13 or how.
26:24 - LY It has been changed many times, but it’s still
26:27 like that.
26:28 - VR Score is still be a requirement, because of like
27:23 that finally the student guardian ask their child
to have high score than asking them to have
positive behavior. Because competing with
score isn’t behavior, but actually behavior has
impact for next 10 years not now. It’s
impossible to see someone who having good
manners, such as respecting other people, be
polite, when does the student begin? Is it only
a day or two? It starts from child. But
sometimes there are parents who want good
score for their children, so the dilemma is
there.
27:23 - SH The first time on K13, what class do you
27:31 handle, ma’am? Now it’s fifth grade.
27:32 VR Fourth grade.
27:33 - SH When discussing, what’s the difference
27:38 between fourth grade and fifth grade? Is it
conducive?
27:39 - VR It’s more conducive in fourth grade than fifth
28:02 grade. In fifth grade is like second grade on
 Junior High School and second grade on
Senior High School, It become naughty time
for the students. They feel if in sixth grade they
will feel sorry because they want to exam, if in
fifth grade they feel in high class so they can
do anything for juniors. It’s in mental transition
period.
28:08 - TN According to Mrs. Evy, now in K13 depends
28:17 on attitude. Then, what if in work for
knowledge aspect.
28:18 - VR That’s why, in work learning must be passed in
29:12 the university. Knowledge must be higher in
the university, attitude just 40%, because they
have been arranged since child. It’s like when
we talked with old man must be soft, it will be
carried whenever and still like that. Behavior
from child must be like that and in college just
bring attitude that formed. So, in the university
no need to build character, it’s only filled with
knowledge that will be students smart.
29:15 NS So, attitude depends on the environment, huh?
29:17 - VR Surely. Now at home and at school well
29:25 behaved, then gather with punk people it’s
impossible.
29:29 - NS You said that the first K13 you handled fourth
29:49 grade and before K13 handled sixth grade and
second grade. The beginning of entering K13,
how was the change?
29:51 SH How to adapt it?
29:52 - VR Rather complicated because the curriculum
30:22 continuous to revision and makes the children
be confused. The book was in each subject and
then become one or mixed, if it likes that it will
get angry from teacher, but now is forced to be
 like that and the students assume the teacher is
fickle. The first impression is so tempting.
30:23 - LY Does the teacher change? Like before, for
30:26 example Arabic.
30:27 - VR If religion is still, but for general lesson is not.
30:33 It has become one package.
30:35 - LY Will the potential of religious teacher be more
30:42 important than general teacher?
30:43 - VR Not really, but this is what make it confused. If
31:02 the teacher comes from one major, so it will be
more dominant in one subject that they have
mastered. Even though they have been
assimilated with Thematic.
31:07 - LY Are there the teachers still who are not from
31:19 Education of Primary Teacher?
31:20 - VR There are still a few, it’s legacy from KTSP
31:28 Era. Now it has been right with the department.
31:35 – LY Thank you very much for your knowledge.
32:00 Ware from group four thanked for your time.
Hopefully what has been said is useful for us in
the present and future. And also we can change
Indonesia be better. Wassalamualaikum
warahmatullahi wabarakatuh.
This interview is closed by group photo.