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Dialogue On Time in Language and Literature
Dialogue On Time in Language and Literature
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Poetics Today
ROMAN JAKOBSON
Harvard & MIT
KRYSTYNA POMORSKA
Humanities, MIT
K.P. - In one of your recent synoptic surveys discussing the tasks of the
science of language among other contemporary sciences, in Scientific American
1972, you made a brief outline of the history of linguistics and touched upon
the doctrine of the Young Grammarians. Their methodology actually amount-
ed to nothing more than a history of language. Overcoming the Young Gram-
marian doctrine, which had been prevalent for some time, was one of
de Saussure's achievements. However, in his Cours de linguistique gdnerale he
again reduced the task of studying the language and system to one aspect only,
that of static synchrony. Both approaches - the historicism of the Young
Grammarians and the static program of de Saussure - were evidently one-
sided. How could one overcome this limitation?
R.J. - Time as such was and, I think, still remains a vital theme of our time.
In the Moscow newspaper "Art" (Iskusstvo), which appeared for several
months in 1919, I wrote in an article on Futurism: "The elimination of statics,
expelling the absolute - this is the chief pathos of the new time, the topical
theme of the day."
The immediate influence on our thoughts on time came from the then
widespread discussion of the theory of relativity, with its refusal to accept time
as an absolute and its insistence on linking the problems of time and space.
Another facet of the same influence was Futurism, with the shock slogans of its
K.P. - When evaluating, from the perspective of all these years, your own
ideas on folklore and literature you stress as an important element the problem
of values. One might even say that a certain shift has occurred in your thinking:
a transposition of the concept of evolution into the concept of value, which
perfectly legitimate. At the same period similar problems preoccupied Tru
betskoj. In his collection of articles On Russian Self-Awareness, he tried to
determine the social mechanism of the creation and exchange of values. Societ
in pre-revolutionary Russia was composed of two layers: an upper and a low
one. The upper layer determined and fixed the hierarchy of values; the "lowe
one" accepted it. There was a certain "flow" of the concept of values between
the upper and lower layers: a certain value which was highly thought of toda
in the upper layer could descend tomorrow into the lower layers of society,
only to return to the upper layers after having been transformed. Your declara-
tions, no doubt, touched upon the problem of the flow of values. The socia
mechanism of creating values, as suggested by Trubetskoj, of course does no
obtain today. Neither in the East nor in the West does there exist a structure of
society which could lead to such a creation of values and such a mechanism o
movement of values. Things are different and more complex. But the very
principle of such a mechanism may be useful when applied to the new circum
stances.
K.P. - From all you have said it follows that every speech-act and every
language phenomenon - from the phoneme to works of verbal art - inevita-
bly enter into two kinds of temporal frames: on the one hand, linear successivi-
ty; one the other, simultaneity. In this fact lies both the strength and the
relative limitation of language as a means of expression, as the classic argument
of Lessing and Herder demonstrated.
It seems that the struggle to overcome these frames, or, contrariwise, their
use for ever newer effects, determines in large part the pursuit of new kinds of
art. One of its most contemporary forms, film, strives most vividly to combine
simultaneity with linearity, which is all the more characteristic because film
combines word and image. Perhaps the most daring attempt of this kind was
made by Alain Resnais in Last Year at Marienbad. In it, images belonging to