Morning Walk

Type: Walk
Date: Jan. 11, 1974
Location: Los Angeles
Nitāi: January 11th, 1974. Morning walk. [break]
Satsvarūpa: ...by reading the books, he'd understood that we
should become completely desireless. So he wanted more
explanation. And in the car coming out Śrīla Prabhupāda just
explained that our desire can't go away, because that's the
symptom of the living entity. We have to have some desire. But
real desirelessness means that you have no more material desire.
Material desire, someone is always desiring from God, "Give me
this, give me this." But when we become purified, then our desire
is for "Kṛṣṇa, please take me. Please take me. Whatever service I
can render, please accept it." But when one has not enough
information, then he desires... His idea of desirelessness is to
become like a dead stone; simply to... Because desire causes
suffering and it's bad, material desire, therefore let me simply
stop it and become... That will be desireless. But that is not..., that
state is not possible because our symptom is of life is to have
desire. So we answer him in this way = to become purified and
simply serve Kṛṣṇa all the time. Not that we stop any activities.
Prabhupāda was saying he is working day and night. So you
cannot become absorbed in nothing. In order to become purely
desireless, you have to have some activity that will always...
There is a place, there is a plane of spiritual desire, spiritual
activity. So there's... [pause]
Prabhupāda: What do you have to say about this? Do you
understand, desireless and desireful?
Satsvarūpa: People some... Pseudo transcendentalists, they
sometimes criticize us like that. They say, "Hare Kṛṣṇa devotees,
you're just too active." They're think that we're fruitive, always
running around, always trying to sell books, always very active.
That's because they don't understand that desirelessness. They
talk like that, and then they'll smoke a cigarette the next moment
as they criticize us. They say, "You should not have to do
anything if you're transcendental. Why do you have to work so
hard?" And then they'll show that they have some very gross
desire. [pause] [break]
Prabhupāda: ...therefore they see that this..., their conception of
Kṛṣṇa, there is mother, there is father, there is friend---"So what
is this? Here also we see the mother, father, friend. So how they
become free?" They cannot understand. Their brain is so poor
they cannot understand. Therefore they = "It is also māyā. To
think of Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme, having father, mother, friends,
playing pastime, this is also māyā." Therefore they are called
Māyāvādī. They cannot conceive that in the spiritual world
exactly the same things there are, but the position is different.
That is absolute, without any designation.

Date: Jan. 11, 1974

Location: Los Angeles
Morning walk.

*I love Kṛṣṇa, but I do nothing for Kṛṣṇa," that is nonsense.*

Candanācārya: Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Candanācārya: Also this morning you said that we should try to
only love Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Candanācārya: And nothing else.
Prabhupāda: Yes.

Candanācārya: But if we love our Godbrothers, is that also

loving Kṛṣṇa?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Because they are of..., of Kṛṣṇa. What are
your Godbrothers? They are Kṛṣṇa's servant. So if you do not
love your Godbrothers, that means you reject your part of Kṛṣṇa.

Candanācārya: So also our children, like that?

Prabhupāda: Eh? Eh?
Candanācārya: Also...
Prabhupāda: Yes, if you love children for making them Kṛṣṇa
conscious, then it is loving Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa wants sarva-dharmān
parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]. So if you help...
What is our movement? Why I have come to your country?
Because to make you Kṛṣṇa conscious. So there is love of Kṛṣṇa.
Otherwise why..., what is the business, I have come to you? I
have no business. Because I love Kṛṣṇa, I want to see all,
everybody in the world, to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. Otherwise
why in this old age we are trying so much?

Similarly, if you love your children to make them Kṛṣṇa

conscious, then produce hundreds of children and make them.
That is love of Kṛṣṇa. And if you make them cats and dogs, then
one children producing is also sinful. That is also sinful. But if
you can make them Kṛṣṇa conscious, then produce hundreds of
children. That is Kṛṣṇa's love.

The Bhāgavata says, pitā na sa syāj jananī na sā syāt: "One should

not become father, one should not become mother..." na
mocayed yaḥ samupeta-mṛtyum [SB 5.5.18], "...if he cannot deliver
the children from the imminent hands of death." That is the
condition. So if you cannot make... Death cannot be avoided
unless one becomes Kṛṣṇa conscious. So if you cannot make your
children Kṛṣṇa conscious and stop their death, birth and death
process, then don't become a father. This is the injunction.

And if you can actually do that, then become father of hundreds

children. This is the condition. If you cannot make your
children... If you can make, that is love of Kṛṣṇa. Because unless
you love Kṛṣṇa, why you should be interested to make others
Kṛṣṇa conscious? Let them go to hell. Why you should be so
much working hard to make them Kṛṣṇa conscious, unless you
love Kṛṣṇa? This is the sign of love. "I love Kṛṣṇa, but I do
nothing for Kṛṣṇa," that is nonsense. That is nonsense.

Therefore I said that our Guru Mahārāja's brother, he criticizes

Guru Mahārāja, but what he has done for Kṛṣṇa? And what my
Guru Mahārāja has done? Unless my Guru Mahārāja had
produced me, how this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is going
all over the world? And what he has done? Simply criticizing is
no use. We want to see practical. Do you understand or not?

Candanācārya: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes. "You were also given the equal chance.
Prabhupāda, my Guru Mahārāja, sat down at Māyāpur. But you
were given the place of Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura's birthplace.
What..., what you have done? It is still jungle. And what is
Māyāpur there? All Americans are building a palatial building."
So simply by criticizing, one does not become a very confidential
devotee. Where is the action? What he has done? That is
required. Phalena paricīyate. [break] ...everything. Unless Kṛṣṇa
gives opportunity, nobody can serve Kṛṣṇa's. But He gives
opportunity to the proper person. That is everywhere. If you
want to become manager of a firm, the proprietor of the firm
will see whether you are able to do that. Then he will give the
chance = "Yes." This is reciprocal. Just like this śloka we were
studying today. Kṛṣṇa becomes sārathi. Does Kṛṣṇa go to
become sārathi of a rascal and fool? He becomes sārathi of
Arjuna. That has to be seen. And without any qualification =
"Kṛṣṇa, become my sārathi..." Kṛṣṇa's not so easy. First of all
qualify. First deserve, then desire. First deserve, then desire. So
how a Kṛṣṇa conscious person can be desireless? The first is
desire = "I desire to serve Kṛṣṇa." That is the beginning. Then
Kṛṣṇa will give you chance, as you deserve. This is the process.
And that is explained = anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam [Brs. 1.1.11]. When
you become completely desireless for anything material,
then bhakti begins. That is desirelessness. Desirelessness means
when becomes free to desire anything except Kṛṣṇa. That is
desirelessness. Desirelessness means not to desire anything
material. That is desirelessness. Their Māyāvādī philosophy, that
"Everything is māyā, and therefore Kṛṣṇa is māyā," that is called
Māyāvādī. They do not know the distinction between māyā and
reality. Everything māyā. Therefore they are called Māyāvādīs.
Gurukṛpā: Brahma satyaṁ jagan mithyā.
Prabhupāda: Ah. So Kṛṣṇa is also mithyā. That is their
philosophy. And therefore in the Bhāgavata it is beginning
= paraṁ satyaṁ dhīmahi [SB 1.1.1]. Satyam, not mithyā.
Mithyā you can reject, unless you find out paraṁ satyam. But
that they do not know what is paraṁ
satyam. Therefore Bhāgavata gives = oṁ namo bhagavate
vāsudevāya, paraṁ satyaṁ dhīmahi. [pause] The word
is anyābhilāṣitā. Anya-abhilāṣa. Anya means "other than
Kṛṣṇa." Anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam [Brs. 1.1.11], being completely
freed from any other desires, jñāna-karmādy-anāvṛtam... [Cc.
Madhya 19.167]. Jñāna, the jñānīs, they also desiring liberation.
The jñānīs, they have got desire. How they are desireless?
Because they are aspiring after mukti. The yogīs, there is, a...
aspiring after siddhi. Karmīs, they are aspiring after better
condition of life. So these things should be completely free. Then
he's desireless. If you are desiring mukti, where is your
desirelessness? Just see. How they are bluffing! They want to
become mukta, and a still, they say "desirelessness." Here is your
desire. Just see the defect. Eh? Why you are desiring mukti?
Gurukṛpā: Then they argue that you also want to..., you desire to
serve Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: No, therefore I say desirelessness means to desire
for Kṛṣṇa. That is desirelessness. Even if you... We are not
after mukti. We..., we can go to the hell to serve Kṛṣṇa.
Gurukṛpā: Mama janmani janmanīśvare...
Prabhupāda: Ah! Mama janmani janmanīśvare bhavatād bhaktir
ahai... [Cc. Antya 20.29, Śikṣāṣṭaka 4]. That is... There is no
question of desirelessness. We desire for Kṛṣṇa. That is
desirelessness. Just like a diseased man, if he desires for healthy
life, is that bad thing? To desire for further disease, that is desire.
That is bad. Therefore I say you cannot give up desire. That is not
possible. You have to purify your desires. But when you desire
for Kṛṣṇa, that is desirelessness. To become free from disease,
that does not mean you have to stop eating. In the diseased
condition, you are eating. As soon as you want to desire that "Let
me..., give me this nice food," but you cannot eat on your
diseased condition. It will be tasteless. You simply desire, but you
cannot enjoy. But same you, man, when the disease is gone, you
enjoy that same food very nicely. When you are free from
disease, you just ask for rasagullā, you'll taste it. But when you
are diseased, the same rasagullā will not be tasteful. That is the
condition. The desire which gives you happiness, that is wanted.
The desire which gives you distress, that is not wanted.
Therefore Bhāgavata begins with dharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo
'tra [SB 1.1.2] = "The cheating type of religion is rejected."
Because in every religion there is some desire for material
objective, up to mukti. Bhukti-mukti-siddhi-kāmī. General
people, karmīs, they want pleasure, material pleasure.
The jñānīs, they want mukti, and the yogīs, they
want siddhi. They're everyone beggars. And a bhakta kicks them
all out = "We don't want anything. Simply Kṛṣṇa. That's all."
Therefore he's desireless.
Gurukṛpā: Kṛṣṇa-bhakta---niṣkāma ataeva śānta [Cc. Madhya
19.149].
Prabhupāda: Ah! Ataeva śānta. There is śānti. You have to test
whether by..., by some desire, whether you have
become śānta. That is not possible except Kṛṣṇa. When you serve
Kṛṣṇa, then you will feel transcendental pleasure. Otherwise you
cannot. Sakali aśānta. For mukti they have to do so many things,
so many things. So desirelessness means to desire for Kṛṣṇa. This
is the conclusion. That Caitanya Mahāprabhu's teaching = mama
janmani janmanīśvare bhavatād bhaktir ahaitukī tvayi. This is
desire. "My life after life, simply My devotion unto You may be
fixed up." That's all. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. In the beginning
He says, na dhanaṁ na janaṁ na sundarīṁ kavitāṁ vā jaga... [Cc.
Antya 20.29, Śikṣāṣṭaka 4]. "No, no, no, no, not this." Then there
must be some positive. And the positive is = mama janmani
janmanīśvare bhavatād bhaktir ahaitukī tvayi. With simply
negative, what you'll do? Simply negative? You must give
something positive. Then you'll be satisfied. You are serving
somewhere. You don't get sufficient salary. So you desire to give
up this, this service. Resignation. But if you don't get any better
service, then what will be the result of resignation? You'll starve.
Again you'll go, "Master, I did wrong. Please give me that
service." So that is... The Māyāvādīs' position is like that. They
want to become merged into the Supreme. But that is not
possible. After some time... Āruhya kṛcchreṇa paraṁ padaṁ
tataḥ patanty adhaḥ [SB 10.2.32]. They undergo very good
auster..., severe austerities and reach the brahma-jyotir, but
there, everything being vacant, they cannot remain there. And
they have no information of Kṛṣṇa; therefore they again come
down. Patanty adhaḥ. He wants enjoyment, but there is no
enjoyment. Simply thinking, "I am Brahman." What is the
enjoyment there? You think like a rascal Brahman. Yes, you are
Brahman already. Why these sputnik-wālās, they go...? [laughter]
Devotee: Sputnik-wālās.
Prabhupāda: They go very high and again come down? Here is...
"Why you are coming? You have gone so high." There is no
shelter. There is no shelter. He must come down. Similarly, to
become desireless, there is no shelter. So you must come to this
desire, material desire.
Gurukṛpā: It says in the Brahma-saṁhitā that they may go for
the speed of...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Gurukṛpā: ...the mind, but...
Prabhupāda: Panthās tu koṭi-śata-vatsara-saṁpragamyo vāyor
athāpi manaso muni-puṅgavānām [Bs. 5.34]. Just like child. We
are experiencing. As soon as we finish, he cries. And give him
something, "All right." So there must be something positive.
Simply taking away, vacant, that will not satisfy. He'll have to cry
again, "Oh, I am vacant. I am vacant." So Māyāvādīs' position is
like that. The karmīs, yogīs, jñānīs, all they are fools. Therefore
Kṛṣṇa says, sarva-dharmān parityajya [Bg. 18.66]. "You rascal,
you give up all these karmīs, yogīs, jñānī, siddhi... Kick out." Mām
ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja. This is the instruction. "Only unto Me. Then
you'll be satisfied." Then the karmīs may say, "Oh..." Because he
has got idea, without working... Just like all these fools and
rascals, they are surprised, "How these people do not work, and
how are happy?" They cannot imagine that without working
hard, one can eat, one can sleep. But when they see that our
devotees, they do not work, they are nobody's servant, "How it is
possible?" They cannot think. They cannot think. But it is
possible. Therefore the... When Kṛṣṇa says that mām ekaṁ
śaraṇaṁ vraja, that, the karmīs, jñānīs, they are thinking, "Then
how I will live? If I do not..., simply I become a devotee of Kṛṣṇa,
how shall I live?" So therefore Kṛṣṇa assures, ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-
pāpebhyo mokṣayiṣyāmi [Bg. 18.66] = "I shall give you protection."
This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. "You first of all surrender unto Me,
then whatever you want, there will be supply."
Gurukṛpā: The karmīs, they are always worried.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Gurukṛpā: They are worried. So Kṛṣṇa...
Prabhupāda: Karandhara? We made the contract to purchase
the Bombay land without money. There was no money at that
time, when I signed that contract.
Karandhara: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So wherefrom the money came?
Devotees: Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: And not one rupee, two rupees---eighteen lakhs of
rupees. And when I signed the contract, I had no eighteen
hundred. [laughter]
Svarūpa Dāmodara: You have to make... We have to add one
zero...
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: On the right side. You have to add one zero,
so that eighteen hundred.
Yaśodānandana: And the time when you signed the contract is
the time when Madhudviṣa Swami went to Australia. He did not
want to stay in Bombay.
Prabhupāda: No, I asked him that "Whether you can take
charge?" He refused, "No, I cannot take charge." You know that?
Yaśodānandana: Yes, I heard.
Prabhupāda: Then Brahmānanda give me assurance, "I can take
charge." Therefore I signed. But factually, he was as good as
Madhudviṣa. [laughs] He made a contract with a..., that camp,
forty thousand rupees. I settled up for ten thousand rupees. So
our work is going on in India and money's spent, fifty percent is
spoiled by this American brain. What can be done? There is no...
They'll loot. They cheat, like anything. Just like this camp. It
was..., it was Brahmānanda and Madhudviṣa combined together
made a contract---forty thousand rupees. Then I said that "Then I
am not going to pay you. You go." In Kumbha-melā also, the
contract was ten thousand. So five thousand already paid. So I
said, "I have no money. You have to become satisfied with the ten
thousand." So they began some trouble, but after all, accepted.
Because they make five hundred percent profit.
Yaśodānandana: As soon as they see American, it becomes twice
as much.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. Twice not; five hundred times. [laughter]
As soon as they face = "They're Americans. They have got
money."
Yaśodānandana: Same thing in market. When they go shopping
and...
Prabhupāda: Yes. "Damn cheap." "Damn cheap, bābu." I have
told this story, "Damn cheap, bābu"? Eh?
Yaśodānandana: No. [end]