what's the most requested topic on this

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advanced meditation that's exactly what

we're doing with dr. Radhakrishnan

Pillai he is by far the smartest human

being that I have come across in this

country in my lifetime also extremely

spiritually advanced he's been

meditating for more than 30 years so

he's got a lot of information in his

mind when it comes to advanced

meditation that's right according to me

I break down meditation into two parts

the first is a basic kind of meditation

but if you just get yourself to meditate

for 20 minutes a day but what if you

want to take it to a higher level

instead of weight training what if you

want to power lifting now when it comes

to meditation so guys if you want some

Guidance on where to begin you’re advanced

meditation process that's what this

podcast will give you also keep in mind

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Oh hunty shanti shanti

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what's good everybody welcome to another

intelligent conversations only episode

of the Randy show we've got one of

india's smartest men dr. Radhakrishnan

pillai sir

so thank you again for being on the

podcast it feels like being a part of

the family it's like coming home so

thank you once again run wiid for making

me part of the show honor whenever we do

Bollywood podcasts one of her top

comments is why are you doing for you oh

the intelligent guy the so-called

intelligent yeah so sir do you agree and

I'm gonna dive straight into the topic

do you agree a big part of your

intelligence and your personality today

has come out of your practice of

meditation 100% okay in fact without

meditation you can't achieve most of the

higher things that you aspire for yeah

including material wealth 100% I think

that's a byproduct of meditation maybe

not the real effort should be put on

mate it'll benefit alone but those

people who meditate also gain at the

material level if they want to can you

elaborate on that like so a lot of

people wanna come rich they want big in

their careers yeah and the question you

know where does meditation fit into this

whole career growth thing sure so I

think I would split meditation into

three levels by the physical second is

the mental and the third is at the

spiritual level I think everybody may

have different purposes to it so if you

look at the physical level a lot of

people who say you know exercise carlo

and then you know calm down your mind

with meditation take some three deep

breaths sit down quietly maybe just do

own car chanting now these are at the

physical level and it does actually make

you much healthier better when you

breathe in sit quietly for some time but

I think the real game starts when you

move in from the physical to the mental

level because finally the body in the

mind both are connected and as they say

that man is what his thoughts are so if

you can calm down your thoughts I think

there are a lot of benefits right from

you know stress which we can de-stress

ourselves look at you know if you're

going through a depressing state of your

mind yeah you know in meditation could

help that's almost a mental so this is

one of those things that you figure

after you begin meditating that just the

physical exercise can you know benefit

your physical body yes doing a bicep

curl benefits your bicep when you

actually experience deep meditations you

realize wait even my brain is going to

some kind of an exercise yes but you

only understand this once you do the

meditations so it's like this you know

hearing and reading about swimming and

actually doing swimming so to get into

the water so a lot of people have read

books on meditation a lot of theories

but till you don't do it I think you'll

not never understand what's in it for me

she's writing and do it regularly like

yeah I think that's what you call in

Sanskrit or you know Hindi also it's

called obvious continuously doing it for

a period of a time you'll benefit from

it so if you go to the gym first time

okay I look good second it will start

paining you know suddenly all the

muscles have stressed yeah

and then you said okay second time third

time and there comes a point of time

when you're not exercising is when you

feel bad so whatever they say no 21-day

have bit creation over to so I think

once it becomes a habit

then you actually can't stop meditation

yeah yeah and your third level of you

were talking about physical mental and

spiritual okay I think that's the real

real benefit of meditation so when we

look at you know a lot of people who are

expecting some tangible results from

meditation so I know if companies who

promote meditation yoga and I know

intentionally they want their profits to

go up because we have a calm person you

have more productive people you take

better decisions you don't mess up

things but somewhere the end result is

that you know did it show on the balance

sheet our shareholders happy okay that

is a good start but you know as you grow

higher and higher it's like you know

basic education at school is okay

college is okay but if we go to the

university level it's all about research

so highest level of meditation economy

spiritual gain and that time you start

looking at the whole life very

differently you look at it from a

detached point of it and real meditator

really doesn't care about the worldly

benefits even though the worldly

benefits would come to them they said

it's fine but you know I want to go not

just to understand the mind but actually

go beyond the mind yeah yeah so I think

that the highest stage and then you know

that finally everything is a mind game

yeah so can you explain this beyond the

mind concept okay so I think let's go to

the very basics so what is

mind mind is a flow of thoughts that is

what so much in my energy my spiritual

guru is to tell so mind is a flow of

thoughts and if there are no thoughts

there is no mind hmm

but you know people have never actually

consciously understood there could be a

state of mind where there's no thoughts

when the moment there are no thoughts no

mind

in reality all of us go through it on

everyday basis where do we do that

sleep no I would say even go to the X

not deep sleep okay so I would say the

first is a waking state that we all see

the second is you know when we go to

sleep but actually we're dreaming so

brain is still active your mind is still

active exactly but to know that few

hours when you're beyond time so you

know suppose you are very tired you had

a very heavy day heavy workout you just

hit the bed and you're gone and you know

the moment you get up it's been four

hours five hours

it's like success that time there is no

thought but there have been also times

when you sleep but when you are actually

imagining things maybe what happened

during the day people going to the

effects of going through horror images

in the mind no that's not atlas mind it

is sleep with thoughts your mind is

still active and creating things

imagining probably yeah so this is still

not the state of mind so in fact in the

indian literature there is a final stage

you go beyond the mind it's called Turia

our star beyond everything and you know

a lot of people who go there don't want

to come back because you find this is

horrible yeah like you're talking about

shadows in the Himalayas and those kind

of people

absolutely in fact I can tell you a

story also about a very well-known saint

in modern India it's Sai Baba shielding

si everybody so that is the story about

him that he once meditated and he told

his people okay so I'm going to go into

the state of Samadhi and I will come

back what is what is Samadhi Samadhi is

exactly this particular point where you

know it's like you using meditation as a

tool it's like when you are going what

that sports called you generating

pole-vaulting okay so you use the pool

but you leave back the pool to go on the

other side so use your mind meditation

tools when others said you go there you

jump over into yeah so this exact you to

leave the mind also behind no thoughts

so there are a lot of sadhus who can

actually do that so when Sai Baba of

Shirdi actually did that once and he

told is going to go into Samadhi state

where I'm and then it'll come back what

happened he actually went to that state

in the body was absolutely flat and

people certainly is dead so the whole

discussion that happened among all the

people sitting around you know knowledge

very bony because you know when the

person is dead you may cry but the fact

remains that in the body is going to DK

and it's going to be harmful for others

but this devotee said oh no no no no

cyber toll that he's gonna come back

it's going to come back in him but it's

been a few days now you can't have this

but then actually consciously comes back

hmm

well to another story about how you go

into a samadhi averse time but you have

to come back and lot of people have seen

this in their experiences so let me you

another like Sai Baba we have

Ramakrishna Paramahamsa yeah who was the

Guru of for Swami Vivekananda

so he used to be always in some other

stuff and it's not like you know going 1

so it was very difficult to get him back

to normal state so there have been

recorded experiences so his features go

into trance into that level of Samadhi

beyond the mind and suddenly used to

come back and say you're a school or a

school or a school to people so under

and is to keep on rasgulla behind it and

then people ask Jim Q what is his whole

thought you mean you're supposed to be

meditating you come back in zero school

as guerrilla then he says I'm

consciously aware that I'm going to that

state but if I go there I mean ever come

back but I have a lot of things to yet

to do in this particular world so what

I'll do is that only one thought behind

which will bring me back so when I'm

that state somewhere you know I get

conscious you ok what is that one

thought because I'm disconnect wrongly

or as gula so I'll just come back in the

Verrazano school a correct so first is

physical level then the spiritual level

is for highly evolved souls who

understand everything is beyond this

mind and beyond this void 100% so I'll

give you an example of twenty

six-year-old

please share your meditation experiences

so before I talk about the actual

experience I'm going to come to last

weekend story I was out with some of my

friends and they were all drinking I've

stopped drinking since I don't know how

long I think two years now and the

question to me was why do you not drink

so my own you have a child got beer by

sir ha ha yes sir

so what's the connection I don't know I

I will I will I will tell you this - yes

yeah basically they asked me why aren't

you drinking and my answer to them was

I'm deep into my yoga practice and

honestly believe it or not I do feel a

high 24/7 without actually taking us off

sure because your mind has kind of come

down to that level yeah colors are more

saturated you know your mind is working

way faster than Jung's tube so you've

started your meditation practice now all

this information I can't exactly explain

to them you know in a few sentences so

it's like telling I'm already on a high

yeah by I don't require this yeah but

their immediate response when they

listen to me saying no but I'm already

on a high is it itself could be you know

like they do they don't believe it

because they are they've only

experienced the high of alcohol or drugs

yes so it's difficult to explain to the

average person yeah but yours of

meditating for four years no it really

changes the way you look at the world

the way you look at your work so we look

at the people around you and more than

anything I feel the big change for me

has been my internal world has become

very calm hmm even if there's like the

worst trouble in my life in my work I'm

so calm from the inside and all the

decisions all the solutions happen in a

very calm state of mind but it's

happened over time there obviously has

been the actual practice of meditation

the practice of all these yoga's I'm

envious s which is a yoga and trained in

advanced meditations advanced yoga's but

it's also kind of training your own mind

if you see anger rising with a new stop

the antrum push it down consciously yeah

if you see agitation rising within you

you understand they need this is not

correct stop the adjutant the awareness

is there yeah so the harness has come

over time but this begun back in 2015

when we excited by our biceps I was into

bodybuilding powerlifting and I'd read

that meditation this thing called

meditation which I'd never experienced

in my life before that it helps in your

muscle recovery so that's how I had

gotten into it I thought that wow you

know something that'll like just help me

heal faster so I can get even bigger

muscles and I just begun doing uhm

chanting back then now the first time I

ever read home churning so you sit in

one place you close your eyes you

breathe in and when you're breathing out

you give one loud

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you just do that you do it for 20

minutes at some point you know can ask

time to open your eyes the first time

you open your eyes you look around you

see that the floor of your room the roof

of your room everything the colors are

very saturated the colors are very

intense and you feel a new kind of calm

you feel that on that moment you're very

happy in that moment you're very

peaceful and possibly you also have some

answers for your careers are those for

business Wow

now the longer you meditate the more

intense all these experiences are but

the key here is again practice

eventually I was blessed enough to

discover a lot of courses there are the

that's the one advantage of live in

India which people don't under

that we are the spiritual capital of

this planet yes and anything you wanna

learn about advanced meditation you can

learn in this country only yeah only

like there are versions of it that you

can learn abroad but if you want a

Buddhist form yeah a buffet of the

purest forms of maybe it's all in this

country so I went for initially I went

for Reiki course I went for a

transcendental meditation course and

eventually after doing a bunch of these

courses I found yoga and satsang Society

after reading the book called the

autobiography of a yogi' book that

inspired me to another degree but that

was my meditation story and I do feel

that meditation changes the biology of

your body so eventually of non-wage

didn't drink don't do any vices anymore

but what is really gifted me with is

superhuman abilities for my work too

much stamina right fast brain processing

power and there's how about studies to

back this Stanford studies to back this

you actually link them down below read

those read how meditation can actually

change up the structure of your cerebrum

gifts so but my question to you now is

can you take us through your meditation

story and how it actually helped change

your personality your world around ortho

today you're considered one the most

intellectual people on the planet so

what has it done specifically to you on

a human level okay thank you for sharing

your stories because it's so beautiful

to know that it actually habitats the

physical and at various levels yes so

let me tell you my story I have been

almost meditating for the last 30 odd

years and because I have been connected

which in me assurance

virtual organizations since my childhood

you know there was a spiritual

background to it so my entry was more

the spiritual level itself okay so as I

told you there are three kinds of people

the physical the mental and you know

maybe at the spiritual level so I've

been really fortunate so in the initial

stages you know when I was a child you

know you used to go to this child

classes in chinmaya mission called as

Bal we are okay so it's okay now to sit

and meditate so the simple instructions

where you know sit down don't be a

question marks sit straight and then

take TD breaths and oh three times okay

okay watch your mind your mind is a

monkey can you see it going can you tell

him to come back general instruction

given to a child now that is a starting

point but as I grew up you know I

started single okay there are different

forms of meditation also different

schools of thought and there is actually

theory which is documented for example

Patanjali Yoga Sutras

is one of the most fantastic books which

talks about meditation and it talks

about physical level discipline to be a

good yogi or a meditator like like for

example Patanjali yoga Sutra actually

says that yogaha chitta Liberty so what

happens is that if there is what is yoga

a state of thoughtless mind hmm so can

you achieve that but no it's not

possible you know saying that you sit

down and it'll be no thoughts citta is

your thought has to be eliminated it's

not possible day one so what you do is

that you actually start at the basic

level so yama niyama there are different

steps so basically discipline yourself

okay can you sit down don't worry about

meditation but maybe as a beginner you

just sit down for 10 minutes in the

closed eyes you know how to worry about

thoughts or no that itself is a

discipline then slowly slowly you get

into what you said may be eating the

right food getting of the right so all

these basic things so I started

realizing okay there are theories of

meditation then my father being a

meditator you'd be surprised your father

is 82 years old and you meditate for

eight hours a day

Wow even though and it's the fittest

person I've ever seen in the world

so father used to actually do a form of

meditation is actually we push on our

teachers vibrant and Adobe Persian of

course the passion is where you have to

follow a silence for up to 10 days what

he does it for 45 days was not easy so

so I have tried that path

then actually I have one can we actually

talk about it Vipassana absolutely from

what had happened to you at the end of

like can you describe you have a passion

I've shown it's like what happens Joe so

again I was introduced to either

chinmaya mission or even with passion

about my father

so what happened in said since Papa used

to actually meditate and it still

continues casually told me that you know

I also do I don't you do one thing so

the curiosity was that the best part

about getting into spirituality for me

was that and I was never forced into

spirituality so he just took me casually

during my mission I became a member so

you wanna do it do it so he never told

you you have to do it so as a young boy

I said okay so let me try so the push 9

is a form of meditation taught by Buddha

and it said that basically lot of these

secrets of ours were stored in the

purest from outside India as an essence

for example the people who now practice

depression and meditation are actually

most of them followers of Goenka ji who

is going to G he was a person who

actually lived in Burma an Indian

settled in Burma and once he had a

migraine problem now think about it

going Kaji had a migraine problem and

somebody told me you know there is some

we portion of meditation in Burma okay

so there was this Buddhist teacher who

actually told you no I will teach you

something which actually comes from your

country it's called be person I said

what's the person and I never I'm only

concerned about one thing where am i

green jhana see he taught him and

interestingly he realized that the

migraine is anyway gone as a byproduct

but there is a secret that not many

Indians know about it so we came back to

India and I started telling people you

know so what this repression of

meditation it starts it basic steps off

you know watching your breath so you

know watch your breath it's not very

easy because you'll watch over it into

three cycles then your mind will go then

bring it back bring it back slowly

through the practices that you have to

do it for ten days and you can't do it

alone by the way it's very important

that meditation also requires somebody

to guide you in the process because you

can go bonkers and you may think that

you're going in the right direction any

kind of meditation which is my passion I

think any definitely types of meditation

should have a guru a quote so even if

you are going into the gym you require a

coach because you might just spoil your

muscle you may think you're doing you

need to pull it up no actually maybe

tearing your muscles yeah so I think

it's important it makes that initial

process fast also I feel and you don't

do the mistakes which probably other

to reach your goals faster because

you're actually talking about China

conserved here

it's called Visayan yogaha being

associated with a person but why is an

experienced person was walked the path

before you so interestingly what

happened is that when I did meditation

so I came to know that going cause you

actually got trained under a guru he

came back to India and taught started

teaching and this form of meditation and

today my portion of meditation is

crossed the globe there's lot of centers

in either puri in Bombay in the police

in Maharashtra they're full fledge

Centre in Bombay we have a cell world

it's a theme park just next to that

there is a Buddhist pagoda ten thousand

people can meditate together and it's a

worldwide movement so the basic I think

all of us who are interested in knowing

the person I should attend the course of

ten days and the best part is that

absolutely free of cost we don't charge

you so what happens at the end of the

course

so I think one of my very dear students

and colleague in my office spread-out

Patil he just went to be personal

campaign came back and the first thing I

always calm quiet I say okay let's do

business together now the idea is

basically after 10 days you start

realizing that actually you can be a

normal person without speaking to anyone

okay even somewhere we especially you

know till we don't speak it out we don't

feel comfortable of course human beings

have to speak out good thing is that you

can go within so all the energy that is

used to go outside it's now getting used

to go inside and use for what in fact I

think it's like having a very sharp nice

knife okay to ask you that use for water

depends on you so if you're a surgeon

you will use the same sharp knife to

save somebody's life so basically if you

waste a lot of your energy talking and

thinking outwards and doing things out

words your blunting your knife is that

like what you're saying absolutely so

you're using it and so anything is very

important coming back to the basic

question of meditation to actually

conserve your energy conserve your

thoughts

in addition is also about not allowing

certain thoughts to come in and you know

so if you look at the basic level they

say you know there's a time for

meditation there is a place for

meditation and there is a way of

meditations of basics for example you

can't sit outside a dustbin and say

normal America

yeah so meanings are you going to pooja

room light a candle have a photo of a

guard and then like a tiger Bertie and

get up in the morning at 4 o clock so

now many people think why is this basic

required the reason is that basically

these are all ecosystems that will help

you in the initial baby steps those four

o'clock half of the world is sleeping

but the real Yogi's and Rishi's they

said meditating the Himalayas but later

on as you practice it's like you know

driving a cycle so initially you require

somebody to support you balance you but

you know once you've got in the habit of

it you can be on a highway also and not

even think so real meditators are 24

hour meditators so they are actually

active in the business we were running a

kingdom probably as a king or maybe

doing an acting show and show like this

but the mind is like it's on a very fast

mode at the same time very calm mode

yeah that knife is sharpened it sharpen

and use it for the right reason the

sharpened knife can be dangerous if it

is used for killing others so robber can

use it so sharpened mind should also be

used for noble purposes yeah so what is

important that meditate first service of

the people for a person so I want to ask

you coming back to your ecosystem or

topic lot of people gravitate towards

these meditation apps and they bring a

lot of technology into meditation like I

know someone who uses a device to

actually measure the brainwaves yes like

I'm also aware of it you yeah so what is

your take on that like because a lot of

people watching this they rely on those

meditation apps and you swear by them

yeah my personal views like I don't

think that there's anything wrong with

that but I think it's just gonna give

you the benefit of becoming calm but

beyond all these mental and spiritual

benefits you need to do a proper

technical meditation which is free of

technology that's just what I think but

so what do you think I think you're

absolutely right because see that too

many apps around and you've got one more

app maybe a fitness app or a meditation

app you download it so I'm saying that

it's good but you know as we say Google

search is not research correct so it's

information base all these tools are

good but the interesting part is that if

you were to really be a serious

meditator then you should actually have

a guru yeah so you know somewhere you

should get associated with some

organization you know some like people a

lot of people especially in the modern

day or kind of look down on this

practice of gurus

you know the factors of joining a

organization like V assess what should

mention just because either they think

it's too old-school it's like a budova

comet or they look down on it thinking

that no this is religious I don't want

to get into it you know it's that I

think that if you just give yourself

that one you know moment of reaching out

in search of knowledge and then practice

that not forward you'll see the rest of

your life change so for that one month

also just follow someone get that

initial spark and then take it up

yourself but do p'n to joining one of

these courses that's what I feel

absolutely right you know so the biggest

problem now is guru shopping like what

do you mean so it's like you go into

this guru and this guru and that finally

landing up with no guru yeah yeah so let

me ask you what is your definition of a

meditation guru um wow that's a deep

question definitely someone who speaks

to you okay I'm very drawn to Sat guru

just the things he says and also

obviously yss which is yoga on par

immensity when I read his book I felt

like it was talking directly caring

talking to my heart so I feel listen to

your intuition if you feel that there's

something in this person that really

connects to you there is a chance that

that person could play a gurus role in

your life sure and it's not necess I'm

in in the long term if you are following

one guru that's beneficial for you in

your advanced meditations but initially

you should have perspective at least of

what what is that Guru ji saying what is

yoga and paramhans you saying just to

kind of develop your own mind in a

360-degree manner so I feel someone who

speaks to you you know to your heart

yeah and also a place where you

definitely you feel like a - enriched

awfulest you know that person no that's

the other thing you feel like okay have

intellectually been stimulated as well

as on an emotional and spiritual level

in my heart brilliant now let me go to

the next level ask another question

chosen so do you require a guru who is

physically interacting with you speak to

me discuss with you is it necessary this

is a topic I wanted to bring up in this

podcast which is

astral bodies it's a deep topic okay now

this is something again I've not spoken

about on YouTube earlier and this is

something that a lot of everyday people

will

laughs upon we will say that name what

are these people saying I I actually

don't want to elaborate on this topic

because I'm in the presence of dr.

Radhakrishnan Pillai so I'm going to

allow you to I'm gonna push that

question back at you yeah that's called

the smartest man in India Thanks thank

you who pushing it back to me so I think

the basic question right now is first of

all do you require a guru and then

second question is basically do you

require a guru who is around with you

physically you know with whom we can

discuss talk I think for most of us we

require somebody with whom you can talk

to discuss with you because see what

happens is that you're absolutely right

you know if you look at what Sadhguru ji

is doing amazing I think I know of

friends who have heard and seen every

single video of us but then I also know

that the first step and actually lined

up doing a course with Sadhguru in his

prodigal Ostrom and they say you know I

already knew guru's thoughts I've seen

it I've read his books etc but then when

I went over there I could actually feel

the vibes very differently so I think

reading about gurus is very important

but what's very important that if you by

the grace of God and that's very

important okay by the grace of God you

actually find a guru then we can speak

to talk to then you know it's a

different it's like saying you know I'm

charging my battery somewhere but I'm

directly charging from the source and

that doesn't mean you know if you don't

have a physical guru we should not make

it right over to gurus can be astral

aswell non-physical absolutely so what I

am saying the quality of the student is

more important when it comes to the

teacher so let me look at two great

students of mohab are so what is Arjun

directly trained under the teachers like

you know Dronacharya crop acharya be

sure and one colleague Libya who never

even met his guru so we made some idol

out of him and whom do you think is more

better as a student I personally think a

killer whale absolutely but you know

eclipses are rare also yeah so let us in

for a close but let us be also original

also so a lot of people are watching

this thinking that okay but how do I get

a guru which is non-physical

hundred-person a quick modern-day answer

is books written by yes absolutely

absolutely right I think when you have

those great masters were no more

physically around

still the books can inspire you just

told about autobiography of a yogi' yeah

again I spoke about memories from H

Inman and G or Sai Baba you'd be

surprised all those people have written

books these are guiding people I'll tell

you one very interesting book it's

called I am that by nisargadatta maharaj

he's no mother but half of the Europe

follows yeah and he's just around the

corner yeah so I think you're absolutely

right so books like are with us and all

our books are actually guiding people in

meditation I feel like some books are

actually alive but you only understand

their life once you read them

hundred-person so book is a documented

form of the knowledge of the guru a myth

is not just a book yeah it's a living

master in a book form 100% yes I

understand that and I think you

understand that more deeply once you've

read a lot of spiritual books the other

book I'd really highly recommend to

people is anything written by Sadhguru

himself but also this is one book called

doorways to light it's a very easy read

it's about the astral world and that is

a topic I want to tackle right now your

podcast now this book is written by

someone called guru ji Krishnan and they

have a massive meditation center in

Bangalore it's between the Bangalore

Airport and the main city you know

village called the PO Nagar I think

that's the name of it I highly recommend

you read that book if you're interested

in this concept of your soul leaving

your body and traveling around the world

magazine you your consciousness in your

mind going using that pole vaulting

technique getting past your own physical

body and then going and seeing the world

in the universe yes it's a very deep

book not everyone's cup of tea yeah a

lot of people don't understand a lot of

people laughs upon this yeah I also

strongly recommend this one sentence

which you should register in your head

true knowledge is knowing that you know

nothing I just feel that with the topic

we're going to talk about right now it

might seem little crazy but keep

listening so I'm gonna let you elaborate

on what is the physical body versus what

is the astral washer so we are talking

about astral bodies astral travel

Eastern meditation it's a different

plane altogether so what happens is that

many people who are the beginners may

not even believe it

seeing that I saw Bhutan you know how

can you just go out and travel the world

and come back but there are enough

evidences of people actually having out

of the body experiences

and maybe we'll say once a person is

dead can he come back of course he can

there's a processor you're not going to

tell you about other body experiences

but it Peter I have personally actually

going through this experience same so

exactly so what is happening is that

till you experience it you know it's

like talking about sugar to somebody

who's never a station it I'm saying how

does how does sugar actually taste I

think it's very seat now what do you

mean by sweet sweet means this I don't

understand this you know so it means ah

yeah the sweet means not bitter said

okay it's not bitter it's a habit what

is sweet

it's a okey wait open your mouth like

this no you do not speak well you

experience what is sweetness so I think

coming back to astral travel I think it

happens with lot of people who practice

it so it's like any other with it's not

like a rocket science but if you're

actually in that space you can actually

go to the body usual your soul leaves

absolutely and then comes back yeah but

this body is only an instrument and you

know that's why when you look at the

whole concept of punar janma so what is

happening so in the body is changing

rebirth this is exactly the rebirth is

that I am now the soul is in this

particular body or this soul is actually

using this body the body will get one

off like an old cloth Bob are pen yeah

so let me go to a new one

so actually a body is traveling from one

bird to another and it is using

different bodies to in his spiritual

journey you know says somebody put it we

are not human beings on a spiritual

journey it's actually we are spiritual

Souls on a human's astral travel there

are people who actually can use this

body go this body maybe entrant one on

the body use that body and come back Wow

so now this is at the more the physical

element we can people can actually go to

different planes I also feel that you

know these all these things are beyond

science but you should also understand

that science isn't as advanced as you

think it is there's still a lot for

science to discover especially Western

world the Vedas the ancient Indian books

talk about things like this and this is

something you will not believe because

you are do you into reading your

textbooks understanding that the world

works according to physics chemistry

biology mats when there might be a fifth

subject which you don't even know about

so this is that subject so just listen

to it with an open mind also understand

that this is

I don't need none res and I don't drink

alcohol because if you make a body

impure you don't get beautiful

experiences like this remember one thing

beer biceps is beyond Bo and beyond

biceps also very much here good and

these are few of the factors which keep

your body pure there's a lot of mental

factors in terms of not getting agitated

not losing your peace coming angry

hurting other people all that also kind

of makes the system impure and you're

not able to have astral experiences I am

NOT some astral travel I've just had

like a few you're in there when I'm in

deep meditation sometimes I can feel

like you know I do get an astral

experience where I can see my body from

yeah like a bird's eye view yes so has

something like that happen to you

so I think most of us go through it okay

so I think but we're not aware of it on

Sisley so like you know

have you felt sometimes you know that

you are in a place completely for the

first time and for a second it's you

I've been to this place before deja vu

do so what is that experience it's not

by practice but yeah I think I've been

you yeah I've seen this person I've seen

the same color same room this is not

neutral but actually you have come there

for the first general so that is

actually a different experience maybe

you can call it at a different plane

maybe or the body but it's not exactly

or the body of different plane seeing

that you know okay what is this you

can't explain it so coming back to me

also I have seen actually I've seen

people who have been almost declared

dead medically but you know there are

some processors so there are other

people in AI guys and actually after

almost like 24 hours he's come back and

he's actually experiencing it no I had

gone and then you know somebody stopped

me I went to a different plane and

second no no no no no you have to go

back so and you know there are many

books also so I am NOT saying it is

about science it's also about real

experiences so there's a very famous

book called as the law of the spirit

world and if you heard about it it's

actually written by a person who

actually was made to write through a

spirit so yeah so and it is not

don't let frightened it's not for her

yeah so when you say somebody makes you

right the book it's not like some

development ring into you so we're

actually allowing somebody will use your

body some divine soul yeah so many

people when insects like black magic no

it's not black magic it's maybe white

magic yeah so you're allowing yourself

good empty and hot okay so there are a

lot of souls in this particular world

who wants to do a noble work but they

don't find a noble soul tomato by that

Chuck I'm gonna have to do something

very noble but you know so you're is a

guy they actually wanted Christian can I

use your body if you allow it actually

lot of noble works happen so let me tell

you since you're asking about my

experience one of the spiritual masters

is return something very deep he said

you know the God also looks at the right

people to do his work but the question

is that are you that right person so

coming might restore volume and a lot of

people we call them Russia Moniz and

there are sub Pharisees who are always

there they're all around and there are

Chiranjeevi is you know they never die

so if you look at Hanuman ji there a lot

of people who say you know when did

Hanuman ji actually die he never died

and there are great Rishi's were still

around so when the astral world using

they are in that world and this world

simultaneously so they travel in the

astral world but they come back to our

world people have experiences with them

so I think what is very important in

that you know let us not look at this

world only being what we touch and feel

and see yeah

there's something beyond what we can and

feel around and it exists parallely yeah

like if you look at this coffee glass

you know there are many dimensions to it

so one of the color the shape but it's

also got heat so can you see the heat

but it's hot okay at the same time there

is a quality of you know on the material

so what happens is that you like it's

like a spawns you know so take a sponge

and put it in the hot water and take

away everything so if you look at this

point they say there is wetness in it

there is heat in it there are pores also

in it and there's a color and a shape to

it now are they not different they're

all properties of the same object at the

same time yeah so I think the mind also

can think simultaneous it can be two

places simultaneously it can travel and

come back and there are no four cases

about you know I still traveling at the

physical level I would say so I don't

know if you heard about stories of great

realized Souls

so they have been seen at two different

physical places at the same time

so we're at 7 o clock here and

somebody's is you know but he was 7

o'clock at my place which is like not

200 kilometers away no no no no I have a

photograph 7 o'clock this particular

place I said no I also have a photograph

look it's my mobile and streams right

but it's possible so there are people

who have used the same physical body to

multiply then there is asteroids

traveling people go from this body help

out somebody come back and use this

particular body yeah so let me give a

very very famous example from our indian

scriptures and history i would say it

said that basically adi shankara charity

ok he was a yogi astral travel so what

happened is that he was a ball a

Brahmachari so he never got married and

all those who's had a debate with a

scholar and some where he was getting

defeated on the part that he has never

gone through the whole experience of

being a married man was in his Abal

Ramachari so at the physical level

whatever the intellectual okay I buy

your point so when you're asking me

questions about marriage probably since

I'm about how much I don't know so it is

said that actually the okay wait I will

debate with you but let me have an

experience that doesn't mean not going

it married well that doesn't mean how to

go through the whole cycles or being a

married man so it's said that you know

he just went around and left his body

you sitting when you do woman's body or

a man's body over is married so we went

through that experience to understand

what was the mind of a person who's

married and gone through it and it comes

back and say ok and already you still

have a brahmacari so that is consciously

being on the Yogi's can do that you can

do it for example let's say I don't know

there's a lot of people who said ok if I

were to be like Gandhiji ok so hand it

is so easy still their natural plane may

be so invoke him and talk to him and

then so what I'm saying is that if your

mind is getting tuned to other Souls you

can actually go experience them out of

the body or invite them into your body

now all this looks very very grand and

you know very very magical but remember

one thing the moment you start misusing

it or rather using it without a guru it

can be dangerous so I'm saying that it

is important they all are true they all

exist but what's your purpose the

purpose should not be going to more

powerful famous and misuse it so I think

all these know

is important that you as long as you're

using it for your own spiritual and

other spiritual benefits do you think

there are people in the world who've

used these powers to become rich and

famous oh I'm not sure of that but why

not so I think a person who is rich and

famous for me is there two levels the

people who are actually you know put a

lot of harder force and say I have

become rich but the rich people feel

there's a karmic connection to it so I

don't just become rich overnight you

know so I think there's a blessings of

maybe the divine universe or some God

that you believe it so I think I have

met a lot of rich super rich people

across the globe they're truly humble

because you know in spite of all the

footage that we put there is something

beyond which they feel which we don't

feel and they sometimes don't explain it

in yeah so you try to tell them you

order the secret of your success I have

Bill Gates said it very nicely probably

luck yeah I'm saying that say that's a

quite an Ewald statement he's just

writing of signal I'm not successful

because I am great so maybe one factor

but probably he must have its own

destinies and Karma's he's gone through

well that's what this so humble yeah in

fact I could see a lot of spiritual

connection with people like an even

Steve Jobs so that matter

yeah she's a young person if you look at

he was going around like a hippie you

know

delete a part of Steve Jobs is very

different from the first you know he's

gone through a lot of experiences the

bad days in Apple just kicked out from

his own company but he also officially

courses that he was a part of the Hari

Krishna and he goes there somewhere if

you looked at the connect the dots as

you say you know you find these souls

who become rich I mean for that matter

Rockefeller they're all people who had

at a very different level they're at the

physical level they're like you n mean

you know but the realities of the mind

is a very evolved mind and I think

somewhere they have those secrets which

probably they never disclose writing why

did Steve Jobs not allow his children to

use iPhone

everybody knows about it's a very

strange story the person who actually

made iPhone for the whole world

absolutely disguised his own children

from using it so they knew and the

technology which I created may be

distraction to a different level of

growth yeah so I think it's important to

understand that spirituality has to be

the base event to understand success at

the material level yeah but coming back

to

Astrid yeah I know a lot of the

listeners are still stuck on that how do

people get astral experiences nice what

do you have to do to get an astral

experience so two three things I think

if you're really interested in astral

travel I think first of all sit quietly

it's like in a small child who actually

saw somebody else having a chocolate

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mama please you don't know where the

chocolate is coming from which shop to

go to so I thing you first put the

thought into the universe that's a very

basic level but I think what's very

important is a probably read about it

rect is it understand it and try baby

steps yeah and I would say that for all

those people who want actually get into

the real experience please find a guru

but as I told you before you find a guru

you have to be really since yesterday

yeah so we can read about try about it

all those things yeah

but you know it's very important that

you start with the help of those people

who already are in a group so probably

the spiritual organisation yes there

could be organizations which actually

practice these Sciences yeah so become a

part of it because don't make it a

lonely journey have some people who are

travel the journey for you and they will

give you those experiences so you know a

lot of people actually as a youtuber

we've made basic meditation videos yeah

my ex Mary yes is how you do basic

chanting yeah but when we are learning

advanced meditations in our meditation

schools this specifically told that do

not share this knowledge on a public

platform true because they don't want

that Chinese whispers yes they don't

want that knowledge to be little bit

tweaked around what's weak yes

and even after practicing no I think

I've been practicing advanced meditation

with wise for around 2 years Wow and I'm

still not perfect with the technique

there are still tiny mistakes I make

which I'm doing my yoga in the center

some seniors will come and correct

missing you know you're moving your

finger not the way it should be moved

and all that so I'm still perfecting my

own technique that's why we can't put

out the information on the internet but

if you are and search for it I think the

call to action for you is first read

those books read all about read such

gurus books yeah read doorways to like

would you recommend any other books that

people should read initially so in fact

to inspire all of you if you're not even

into it I would suggest that been very

beautifully written we just inspired me

into astral travel also is many life

many masters yeah

a very common book it's actually about

an American doctor who actually sees a

you know after that experience of many

of his patients many life when he

masters when he sees you know this so

he's actually since the doctor and he's

able to observe lot of people who are

dying he says during death people go

through very strange experience and he

tries to map it scientifically maybe

like science logic right and then he

finds that you know whenever person is

dying is actually communicating to

someone speaking a different language so

what is the pattern he lies that every

particular soul actually has got a

spiritual master with him throughout the

life Wow but you're not even ever always

like a shadow around you but it's

actually which is protecting you so it

seems I mean a child in the womb or the

person was closer to the death actually

can speak and talk to them so he starts

talking to them understanding them and

then he realizes he actually we are all

people who have a karmic way of keeping

those masters with us so I would suggest

that in that book he'd be course and

this many life and that many masters who

are with you it's a very beautiful book

and a real life experience book of a

great doctor so scientifically proven

that it works so please read that also

yeah so read the books and second

genuinely go for one of these courses

foundation Jochen my machine has yes

self-study course which i use basically

they send you self-study material at

your home yes so you can practice in the

comfort of your own house you are

absolutely right or maybe sushi revision

or any of them at the best part the best

part about this particular country is

that too many masters yeah but at least

choose one who is closer to your heart

yeah and don't kind of keep yourself

away from going down that master bath

because of yeah you know the bad

reputation of all these like the random

gurus and all that that's not that's not

a good generalization to make there are

a lot of evolved souls yes who have way

more knowledge than any scientist in the

world right now can I give a practical

trip Chaucer

I think if you really get into this try

and expedition in Himalayas okay because

that's a different please him Allah is a

part of this earth but it is not any

specific so I would say just go

from Rishikesh anything approached it

could be Turkish it could be gonna go

three kids on em you know three so I am

singing the Himalayas is the closest

place that he can connect to the other

world

and there are so many Yogi's you know

just sitting that I have met so many of

them and I mean I'm so fortunate and

actually run a company called

optimization which isn't a spiritual

tourism and I remember in the initial

stage managed to do my research I say

just land up in Himalayas and I found so

many people's in that cold without a

single you know piece of clothes on

their body and how is it possible and

all these people still exist what we're

talking about the Guru's right now is

those gurus will maybe meet in the

normal situations the popular gurus but

there are also Yugi sitting in the

Himalayas today I'm talking about

today's generation so I'm thinking that

you just get a feel of it just take a

trip to the Himalayas with an open mind

of course just go there and you will

come back you know if you look at

autobiography you go by still their

physical form but you know many of you

have not seen it but many people have

the experience of talking to such gurus

so I think the basic thing in all your

travel plan an itinerary Himalayan trip

and especially the Indian spiritual

Himalaya part of it and when I'm saying

Himalaya you know many people go for the

every part of it also yeah I'm not

talking about everything just go just be

there I'm telling you God will bless you

yeah the key takeaway I want people to

take from this podcast is something

that's helped me throughout my journey

even if you are just starting out have a

very open mind yeah true knowledge is

knowing that you know nothing so just be

open to any kind of experience at your

physical body you will have any astral

experience or you will have anything

that someone else is teaching you from a

spiritual perspective don't just dis and

say then it is not possible so what do

you say yeah because you've not

experienced that yet remember that you

only use 10% of your mind

and there's still 90 percent to go but

if you start meditating you can go down

the 90 percent road so spiritual growth

to all of you right the Great Lord there

help you and guide you in the field of

meditation and resign doctor navigation

Pillai sir thank you I hope you enjoyed

the podcast I'm learning from you thank

you sir Thank You Sanne of course I'll

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thank you