Firqa In Islam - Shia Sunni ( Other Firqah)

Conflicts In Islam
Firqa Parasti In Islam – No Amendments In Quran
Allah Ta'ala ka Quran-ul-majeed Furqa-ul-hameed main irshad hey k "hum ny hi iss Quran ko
nazil kiya aur hum hi iss ki hafazat krney waley hain"...iss baat sy saaf zahir hoota hey k quraan
jis halat main nazil howa hoa ussi halit main ajj tak majood hey yani iss ki agar 114 soortain
nazal hoi to aaj b 114 soortain hi hain agr Quraan paak ko 1400 saal pehley 30 paroon ki trteeb
sy muzayan kiya geya to ajj b ussi trah 30 paroon ki hi tarteeb k sath majood hey...yeh bat aur
hey k Quran pak jis tarteeb sy nazil howa uss terteeb sy kitabi shakal main majood nhi hey yani
hr "ze-sha'oor" insan ko bahoobi ilam hey k Quran majeed ka nazool "Iqra Bism-e-Rabb-e-Klla
zee" sy howa aur nzooli ihtetaam "Al yaoma Akmalta kum" ki aya majeeda sy howa laiken ajj
kitabi shakal main iss ki trteeb nzooli aitbaar sy uss trah nhi hey...laiken agr trteeb nzooli aitbaar
sy kitabi shakal main majood nhi hey to iss sy b koi frq nhi prrta hey kio k Quran Majeed jis trah
Nazil hoowa ussi trh majood hey ..na iss main koi tarmeem ki gaye aur na hi iss main koi tahreef
ki gayee (aik baat ki wazahat zroori hey k...waqt-e-nazool quran pak ki kuch aya majeeda waqti
aitbaar sy moozoon thi laiken ta qiyamat unnka insani zindgi sy koi taluq nhi tha ..unn ko khuda
ta'ala ny hud hi tehreef kiya) Ref majood hain laiken yahan daina zroori nhi ..q k meri behas aur
kisi moozoo ki tarf ishara krti hey
Iss Kitaab ko Khuda ta'ala ny hamarey liye sirf apney murdoon ko esaal-e-sowaab ki hatar hi nhi
utara balky iss ka shan-e-nazool yeh hey k hum iss kitab-e-roshan sy Hidayat ley skain..
Firqa Parasti In Islam – Islam Is A Complete Way Of Life
Islam sirf aik Mazhab/Deen hi nhi bulkey pura Zabita-e-hayaat hey ( yani zindgi guzarney k
mukamil asool-o-zuwabat) aur Islam kisi jamhooriyat / malookiyat /ijma-e-ummat ka b muhtaj
nhi hey bulky iss Zabita-e-hayaat ka apna qanoon aur zabita hey jis ka naam nizam-e-walayet
hey (ye aik pura nizam hey jis main islam ki tammam tr asooli aur froohi behas majood hey )
Firqa Wariat Aur Islam Ka Nizam e Wilayat
Lehaza Khuda ta'ala ka Quran-ul-Majeed Furqan-ul-hameed main Irshad-e-grami hey k "aik
main Khud (Allah) Wali hoon aur Aik Rasool (Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.a.w) ) wali hain Aur aik
aol-ul-amar wali hey
abb yahan teesrey wali ko main agar sabit krney lga to (jo k sabit ho skta hy qurani saboot sy
hi..laiken iss baat ko phir kisi khaas sect ki tarjmani jantey howey nazar andaz kr diya jaye ga )
baat kahan ki kahan nikal jaye gi... laiken agey aney wali batoon main ..main ishartan iss amar pr
b roshni daloon ga...fil haal apney moozoo sy hi mutmassak rehtey hain ..... iss formuley pr aik
baat hoo jaye k joo loog yeh kehtey hain k islam jamhooriyat / malookiyat / Ijmaa-e-Ummat ka
qayel hey unn k liye khuda ta'ala frma reha hey k Main wali Rasool wali Aul-ul amar wali
hey..yani khuda ta'ala ka ishara iss mukamil nizam-e-hayat k zabtey ki taraf hey k jis zabtey k
yeh teeno wali hain..... yani koi nizaam hey jis k yeh wali hain aur uss nizaam ka naam hey
nizam-e-walayet.... agar to nizaam nhi hey to phir khuda ny khud ko aur Rasool kko aur Aol-ul-
amar ko wali q kaha hey......yeh to aysy hi hey jaisey koi kehy k main badsha hoon ..aur agr koi
puchey k app kis mulik k badsha hain to wo kehey main bus badsha hoon laiken mera koi mulik
nhi hey...yani baghair mullik k badsha ...yeh baat kuch aqli miyaar pr pura nhi utrti.... q k agr
badsha hey to lamahala toor pr kisi mulik ka hi hooga na..bilkul issi trah agr khuda wali hey to
wo b kisi na kisi nazam ka hi wali hey ..
pus uss nizam ka naam hey nizam-e-wilayat..
abb atey hain teesrey wali ki janib..khuda ny frmaya "meri ata'at kro aur rasool (s.a.a.w) ki ata'at
kro aur uss ki ata'at kro jo k halt-e-rakoo main zakkat daita hey..aur iss baat ko tammam ahl-e-
tafseer bahoobi jantey hain k kis hasti ny halt-e-rakoo main zakkat di aur iss aya majeeda ka
nazool howa..yaqeena'n wo hasti Hazrat Ali (a.s) hi hain jinhoon ny iss amal ko sr anjam diya
aur ye baat ko man gharrt nhi bulky mukammal hawala jaat k sath tafseer ki kutab main drj
hey(aik sayel ata hey masjid k drwaza pr aur swal krta hey tammam loog nmaz ada kr rehy
hootey hain to wo sayel yeh keh kr wapis loteney lgta hey k ey khuda terey ghar sy b khali hath
hi ja reha hoon ..iss baat pr Hazrat Ali jo k uss waqt halt-e-rakoo main hotey hain uss sayel ko
hath ki ungli sy ishara krtey hain aur apney dahiney hath ki ungli ko hi rkoo ki halte main uss
sayel k agey krtey hain aur wo syel app (a.s) k isharey ko smjtey howey app (a.s) k dast-e-
mubarik sy ungushtri (angoothi) utar laita hey )..lehaza hum ye kehney main hq be-janib hain k
khuda ta'ala ka jis teesrey wali ki trf irshad hey wo yhi hasti hain yani Hazrat Ali (a.s) Ibn-e-abi
Talib (a.s)..aik baat aur arz krta chloon k namaz main adab ki aya majeeda ka uss waqt tak nzool
nhi howa tha..
Hidayat Ki Moujoodgi Main Firqa Wariyat Kyun
pus iss mndrja bala behas sy app ye keh sktey hain k khuda ta'ala ny jis hadayet ko jari krna tha
hum insanoo k liye uss hadayet ka aik nizam muqarar frmayea aur uss nizaam ko nizam-e-
wilayet sy ta'beer kiya ..kisi ijma-e-ummat sy nhi aur nizaam k aur b wali muqarar kiye jin ko abi
discus krna zroori nhi hey insha'allah age moqa mila to zroor baat hoo gi uss barey main .
meri baat iss amar sy bilkul qata nazar hey k kon firka kia krta hey aur kon kia krta hey..bulkey
meri baat aqli aur mantiqi hey.
Jub khuda ta'ala ko iss taleem yani islam ki roshni philana maqsood thi to khuda ta'ala ny iss
azeem maqsad k liye kuch pymaney b muqarrar kiye jo k iss nizam-e-walayat k tahat hi qua'eyd-
o-zowabit ki hassiyat rakhtey hain ..aur inn asooloon pr kar band rehny sy aur inn ko theek
treeka sy man'ny sy hi aik insan musilmaan hoo sakta hey warna nhi..chahey koi jitna mrzi
islam ..islam ki awazain buland krta phirey magr inn asool-e-deen sy door hoo ya inhey barhaq
na maney to wo aur sub kuch to hoosakta hey laiken musliman nhi......
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Firqa In Islam - Shia Sunni ( Other Firqah)

Conflicts In Islam
wo pymaney ye hain k jin pr hamara deen tikka (khrra) howa hey inn ko hum asool-e-deen ya
deen ki jarrain keh saktey hain
1) Firqa wariyat – firqa Parasti – Islam Aur -TOHEED..yani allah aik hey aur iss ki
wahidiniyat pr kisi ko inkaar nhi hey ..toheed ko man'ney ka asal haq yeh hey k khuda ko to haq
mana hi jaye sath main uss k muqbil aney waley kisi b shai ko shreek aur batil mana jaye
2) ) Firqa wariyat – firqa Parasti – Islam Aur -ADAL..yani khuda ta'ala ki zat-e-grami pr ye
emaan rakhna k khuda ta'ala duniya aur akhrit main apni mahlooqat sy insaf aur adal krney wala
hey yani jis k jo b aur jaisey b amaal hain uss ko ussi trah jaza-o-saza dainey wala hey ..duniya
main b aur akhrit main b
3) ) Firqa wariyat – firqa Parasti – Islam Aur - NABOWAT..yani kamo baish 124000
peghambreen pr emaan rakhna aur Nabi-e-Akhur-uz-Zaman Nabi-e-Rehmat Hazrat Muhammad
(s.a.a.w) pr emaan rkhna ..aur na sirf App (s.a.a.w) pr emaan rakhna bulkey App (s.a.a.w) ko
akhri Nabi b man'na aur App (s.a.a.w) k baad koi Nabi nhi aye ga iss baat pr b emaan rakhna
4) ) Firqa wariyat – firqa Parasti – Islam Aur -IMAMT...yani iss baat pr eman rkhna k abb
nabuwat ka darwaza to khuda ta'ala ny ta qiyam-e-qiyamat band kr diya hey ..ab agr kisi
mutlashi-e-hadayet ko hadayet ki zaroorat hey to uss k liye khuda ta'ala ny konsa intezaam kr
rakha hey ..wo yaqeena'n jansheen-e-Nbowat ki hi shakal hey jis ko Imam keha jata hey....aur
main yeh baat uper ki hoi post main kr chuka hoon k khuda ta'ala ny kabi b kisi b halat main iss
zameen ko aur iss zameen main basny waley ins-o-basher ko hadayet k bghair nhi choorra..(ab
koi maslik iss ko 4 ayma sy tabeer krta hey aur koi maslik iss ko 12 ayma sy tabeer krta hey)
...tadad kuch b mani jaye ye baat haqeeqt hey k sab masalik-e-islaam ka emaan imamt pr hey...ye
chunkey aik alag behas hey lehaza hum apney moozoo sy hi mutmassak rehtey hain..
5) ) Firqa wariyat – firqa Parasti – Islam Aur -QIYAMAT..ye wo akhri asool-e-islam hey jis
pr agar emaan na rakha jaye to uper biyaan krda tamam baatoon ka asr nzar nhi ata..ye wohi din
qarar paya hey k jis din baqi biyaan krda asool-e-deen k man'ny ya na man'ny k barey main baz
purs hoo gi ab qabar main swal 3 hoon ya 4 wo issi din k bar haq honey ki dalalet krtey hain
chuna'chey khuda ta'ala ka b irshad hey k "ye duniya akhrat ki khaiti hey" yani jo duniya main
boo'wo gy wohi akhrat main katoo gey
yeh wo asol hain jin pr hur maslik ka eman hona zroori hey aur inn asool-e-deen pr behas ki
gunjaiesh nhi hey kisi b maslik main aur inhi asool-e-deen ki babat hum keh saktey hain humain
islam k barey main sochna chahiye na k maslik k barey main aur inn asool-e-deen pr kisi maslak-
e-islam main koi tafarqa nhi hey yani ye mutfiq eleh hain taham inn ki tarteeb muhtilif hoo sakti
hey magr inn pr ikhtelaaf har giz nhi hey
aur jo batain maslik ki janib towajoo mabzool krwati hain wo yeh hain inn ko hum deen ki
shahien keh sktey hain
Firqa wariyat – firqa Parasti – Islam Aur - Ehkamat
1) NAMAZ..yani namaz wajib aur har baligh-oaqal mulim pr ada krna fraz aur wajib hey
2) ROZA..yani wajub hey aur hur tandrust-o-tawana muslim pr rakhna wajub hey
3) HAJJ..yani har sahib-e-isstedad muslim pr ada krna wajub hey
4) ZAKAT..yani hur sahib-e-nissab muslim pr ada krna wajub hey
5) HUMAS..yani maal-e-sadat ki adayegi ko humas kehtey hain aur yeh b hur muslim pr wajub
hey
6) JAHAD...yani fesbellilah kisi imam ki zair-e-qiyadat adygi wajub hey(agr iss ki zaroorat hoo
to)
7) AMAR BIL MA'ROOF..yani naiki ki dawat daina
8) NAHI ANIL MUNKIR..yani badi sy rokna
9) TUWALLA..yani haq pr salamti aur drood baijna
10) TABAR'RA..yani batil pr lanat krna
Firqa Waryiat Aur Parasti – Ehkamaat Main Ikhtelaaf
abb ye tadad kisi maslik / fiqah k haan kam hoo ya ziyada iss sy koi fraq nhi prrta q k ye mndrja
bala deen ki shahien aysi hain k jin ki muhtilif andaz sy tashreeh-o-tafseer ki gaye hey jo k apni
apni jaga shaid durusat b hoo q k jis ny jaisa islam ko samja uss ny waisi hi inn frooh-e-deen ki
tshreeh kr di .. aur phir yaheen sy hi to muhtilif masalik ny janam liya hey abb ye kehna k hum
sirf muslimaan hain aur kisi maslik / mazhab / fiqah k pairookaar nhi hain yeh baat aqal tasleem
nhi krti ..q k yeh baat qool k lehaaz sy to shaid brri haseen-o-jameel maloom hooti ho laiken
faiyli aitbaar sy iss baat pr amal krna bilkul hi namumkin hey..
q k agar hum namaz ki hi baat krtey hain to hur maslik-e-islam k pairoo kaar yehi kehty howey
nzar ayein gy k woo ussi trah namaz prrtey hain jis trah Nabi pak (s.a.a.w) ny prri thi... abb wo
ghalt nhi kehty q k un k ayma ya ahl-e-tshree ny iss shakh-e-deeni ki tshreeh hi issi andaz sy ki
hey
bay'ayne hi tamam deen ki shahoon k barey main hur maslik ki apni apni aik roy hy aur wo roy
hr kisi k nazdeek bilkul theek aur ba dleel hey ...issi ka naam to maslik / fiqah hey
Firqa wariyat – firqa Parasti – Islam Aur -CONCULUSION
baat yeh nhi k hum baghair kisi firqa ya kisi maslik ya kisi school of thought k hi islam ko
smjain ya samj saktey hain ...ye mumkin hi nhi hey..(q k jo b islam ki wazahit krey ga wo bilkul
kisi aik school of thought ki numayndgi krtey howy hi krey ga..aur doosrey ko yeh qabl-e-qabool
nhi hooga... yahin say firqa / maslik / mazhib / fiqah ki buniyaad prry gi...... aur iss sy bachaoo
mumkin hi nhi hey..)
bulky baat yeh hey k hum khuwa kisi b maslik / mazhab / firqa / fiqah / school of thought sy
taluq rakhtey hoon uss main iss qadar buniyaad prast ya extremest na hoo jaien k humain sirf
apna hi maslik / mazahab / firqa / fiqah / school of thought hi theek lagey aur baqi k tamaam
masaalik-e-islami batil lagney lagain..
walla ho alam bis'swab

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Posted on:3rd Jan 2010, 10:51pm

Firqa In Islam – Shia Sunni Conflicts In Islam

Why People Emphesize More On Their Firqa?
log deenay islam, wordz of quran, qaul o failay Rasool saw par zor denay ki bajaa.ay apnay
apnay firqouN par zore kiyouN detay haiN...
Esay Islam Vs Difficult Firqa Waryiat
quran, hadees aur ajmaa par mushtamil deen nehayat asaan hai jo chand basic aqaaid, chand
ebadaat k elawah rozmarrah k tamaam maamoolat ko anjaam denay k liyeh hedayat /taleem deta
hai. bus only this is islam... nah iss main kissi kami ki zaroorat hai aur nah izafah ki...
Mostly People Follow Their Firqa Instead Of Islamic Rules
muslim ummat say wabistagi k beshtar daawedaar......... quran o hadees ki taleemaat say to to bay
bahrah hotay hain... magar apnay apnay firqoun, mazhaboun par authority rakhtay haiN......
apnay mazhab /firqoun ki khatir jaan lenay aur jaan denay say bhi daregh nahi kartay... aakhir
kiyouN???
Firqa Parasti In Islam – No Body Read Quran With Meanings
zara sochiyeh.... ap apnay gird o pesh maiN maujood sirf aur sirf 100/50 afraad say aik survey
karlijyeh... jo apnay apnay firqouN /mazhaboun say gahri jazbaati wabistagi rakhtay houN.... aur
woh kam az kam 8/10 class tak parhay howay bhi houN........... zara onsay poochiyeh 9aur panay
aap say bhi:) k kia in logouN nay apni ab tak ki zindagi maiN kam az kam aik baar bhi poora
quran, 30 paray, 114 soorat, 6666 ayaat ko (agar onhaiN arabic nah aati ho to) kissi aisee zubaan
main paRha hai jo onki samajh main bhi aati ho... naazraa quran /reading arabic text to shayad
sab hi nay saiNkRouN baar parha hogaa... magar kia kabhi aik baar bhi kissi bhi tarjumay say
poora quran aik baar bhi paRha hai k iss maiN Allah nay kia kia kaha hai............ mera dawa hai
k apko 10% log bhi aisay nahi milengay jo yeh dawa karsakaiN.... maiN aam /common logouN
ki baat kar raha houN, deeni students /scholars ki nahi..... issi tarah inmaiN say ketnay %age
logouN nay aik maratabah bhi ahaadees ki kissi bhi collection ko mokammal taur par paRha
ho.......khaah woh graduate ho, masters ho aur ab tak saiNkrouN kitabaiN paRh chuka ho...
magar aik kitab, ummul kitaab, quran ko samajh kar aik martabah bhi nahi paRha
hogaa..............yehi wajah hai k hum ISLAM say to doooooor haiN k iskay asal maakhaz
quran+hadees say naa.waqif haiN..... magar apnay apnay mazhabi leaders ki books ko khoob
raghbat say paRhtay haiN
We Claim Us Under Firqa Rather Than Under Islam
lehaza hum aik sunni, aik shia, aik deobandi eytc etc to honay ka "sahi dawa" kartay nazar aatay
hain... magar aik "sahih muslim" honay ka dawa nahi karsaktay... k quran+hadees jaisee islam ki
original text books hi say naa.waaqif haiN.
Firqa In Islam – One Should Read Quran And Hadith
hum quran aur hadees ki sirf 2 text book ko original halat maIn mokammal taur par samjhay
beghair "mosalmaan" honay k liyeh kaisay qualify karsaktay haiN... kiyounkay in 2 text books
ko paRhay beghair nah hamain sahih islamic aqaaid ka ilm hogaa, nah sahih islamic ibadaat kaa,
nah day to day ki dealing ka sahih islamic tareeqah maloom hosakta hai............. jiss shakhs ko
human anatomy, human physiology, human diseases, medicines k basic ilm hi nah ho woh doctor
kaisya kahla sakta hai.. khaah woh iss forum ka sr mod, admin aur yahaaN ketna hi zeyadah
actively medical issuues par contribute hi kiyouN nah karta ho......... yeh sab oska izaafi ilm to
hosakta hai... magar woh aik doctor hargiz nahi hosaktaa.............. issi tarah mukhtalif firqouN ki
books paRh kar insaan additional mazhabi knowledge to haasil karsakta hai... magar jab tak asal
islamic text books (quran+hadees_ ko nah paRhay woh khud ko mosalmaan honay ka dawa
kaisay karsakta hai............ kia mosalmaan gharanay main paidaa honay say insaan mosalmaan
hojata hai........ kia doctor maan+baap ya poori doctor family main paida honay walay ko fard
mahaz iss wajah say doctor hoga k oskay saray ahlay khanaa doctor haiN........ ya ossay bhi
mokammal doctory paRh kar hi doctor banna hogaa.....
Islam Kay Hotay Huay Firqa Kyun?
aik paksitani ka beta pakistani, aik sindhi ka beta aik sindhi to hosakta hai magar aik mulim ka
beta muslim nahi hosakta taawaqtekay woh khud ko mosakmaan honay k liyeh qualig=fy nah
karlay.... theoritical + practical exam pass karkay... therotical exam yeh hai k quran o hadees ko
samajh kar parhay aur practical yeh k quran o hadees k motaabiq apnay aqaaid, ebadaat aur daily
working ko islami taaleemaat k motaabiq guzaray..tab hi woh aik tru muslim ban sakta hai.
meri iss post ka yehi wahid maqsad hai k hum sab apnay apnay firqoun say boland hokar islam k
asal maa'aa.khaz quran o sunnat ki taraf rajoo karain aur khud ko sacha mosalmaan banayaiN...
proud to be a muslim ... not shia /sunni etc etc. g haaN iss post ka yehi maqsad hai.

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Firqa Parasti In Islam – Muslims Main Firqa

Waryiat Kyun Hai?
ma is post ma aik choti si baat karna chahta hun firqa wariat k hisab se
aik choti si misal sunian
farz karain.. ma nay kaha aasman ka rang neela hai...
ABC aik admi hai jo mujh se mohabbat karta hai woh logon ko yeh kahay ga "info1234 kehtay
hain k aasman ka rang neela hai, info1234 bht baray scholar hain ... waghera waghera waghera.."
XYZ mujh se nafrat karnay wala shakhs hai uski statement yeh ho gi "aasman ka rang neela
hargiz nahi hai, aasman ka koi rang nahi hai, neela rang sirf atmospheric gases ki reflection aur
refraction k procedure se hamain nazar ata hai, isi liay raat k wakt aasman kala ho jata hai..
info1234 koi scholar nahi hai, woh sirf zahiri cheez par ghore karta hai, inteha darjay bewakoof
admi hai.. waghera waghera waghera.."

aur asal main yeh ABC aur XYZ dono hi bewakoof admi hain, aik sirf meri tareef sunna chahta
hai, aur aik sirf meri nafrat ma meri baat ko zabardasti ghalat sabit karna chahta hai.
aik akalmand shakhs yeh kahay ga..... "info1234 k kehnay se, ya ABC k kehnay se, ya XYZ k
kehnay se koi farq nahi parta.. aasman wakai neela anzar aata hai, aur yeh gases k reflection ki
wja se hai yeh baat bhi theek hai, lekin sawal yeh peda hota hai k akhir kia maksad hai k aik
berang aasman ko neela dikhanay k liay itna bara gaseous system bnaya gaya......... aur yeh
shakhs is haqeeqat tak pohanch jaey ga......"NEELA RANG INSANI TABIAT KO RELAX
KARTA HAI.. ISILIAY JAB KOI TAKLEEF ZDA INSAN ASMAN KI TARAF NAZAR UTHA
KAR ALLAH SE MANGTA HAI TAU USKI TABIAT THORI RELAX HO JATI HAI"
yehi hisab hmaray maslaki ikhtilafaat ka hai, sab firqay apni apni jgah darust bhi hain aur kuch
kuch ghalat bhi, lekin aik dusray ki nafrat hai jo aik dusray par keechar uchalnay ki talqeen karti
hai....

har qom ka mizaj Allah nay mukhtalif peda kia hai.. jab sab log Allah k deen ki hadon main qaim
rahain gay tau ikhtilaf se koi achi baat samnay lain gy, warna sirf apni mohabbat ya apnay aba o
ajdad ki mohabbat main apna firqa alag kar lain gy.
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 Reply: Firqa Parasti In Islam – Muslims Main
Firqa Waryiat Kyun Hai?
dunyawi amoor maiN info1234, apki baat sad feesad durust hai aur misaal bhi bahoot khoob,
dilouN ko chooti howi
BUT
deen k maamlay main xyz aur abc k statements agar aik doosray say mukhtalif balkay mutazaad
houn to onhaiN above mentioned formulay k tehat dounoun ko apni apni jagah durust qarar
denay ki taweelain pesha karna intehayee khatarnaak sabit hosakta hai. aur iss baat ka bhi
imkaan hai k insaan ka imaan hi mutazal.zal hojaa.ay/.... klet's an example
quran kahta hai k hazrat Muhammad PBUH....khatamun.nabiyyeen haiN. muslim honay k
dawedaar kissi ko bhi iss statement say inkaar nahi hosaktaa.... albattah iski taweel /tashreeh alag
alag hosaktyi hai aur hain bhi...... aksar log iska mafhoom yeh letay hain k aap saw last and
aakhri nabi haiN.... aik group (ahmadi) yeh kahta hai k iska matlab yeh hai k nabwat aap saw par
khatam hai yani ap nabwat ki meraaj par hain jaisay kahtay hain k imaanat to falaaN par khatam
hai yaani woh bahoot boland darkah ka ameen hai............ ab kia yeh dounoun tashreeh apni apni
jagah durust hosaktay haiN.....
aisay ikhtelaafi tashreeh ki soorat maiN aik SANAD ki zaroorat parti hai jo yeh faislah karay k
kaun saa mauquf durust hai aur kaun saa ghalaat....
islam maiN SANAD...quran+hadees+ajmaa.e.ummat hai.......... sirf aur sirf issi kasauTy par hum
mukhtalif firqouN k ikhtalifi issue main say kissi aik ko sahih aur baqyah ko ghalat qarar day
saktay haiN..........warnah aaj koi nabi to hai nahi jo faislah karsakay k kia baat deeni etv=baar
say sahi hai aur kia ghalat.........
hum sab muslims ko issi sanad ko manna paRegaa...iskay liyeh hamaiN sab say pahlay original
quran + hadees ko study karna hogaa... jab yeh study karlaiN to ajmaa.e.ummat ko maloom
karna nehayat asaan hai.......... hum kiyouN firqoun k tayyar kardah literature ko dekhaiN... direct
quran+hadees ko kiyouN nah dekhaiN???
info1234 Group: Members Joined: 27th Nov, 2009 Topic: 11 Post: 368 Age: 28
Posted on:4th Jan 2010, 6:45am
 Firqa Parasti In Islam : Upper Limits And
Lower Limits In Islam
yes agreed with myrizwi 100%
but ma nay just example di thi k bilawja nafrat insan ko kia sikhati hai...
asal ma 10 log ya 100 log ya 1000000 log, agar kisi baat par ikhtilaf karain tau unka asal maqsad
hi yehi hona chahiey k ham log "baat ka asal matlab" nikalna chahtay hian.
hmaray liay haqiqat e deen ki kasauti hmara quran aur Peghambar SA k irshadat hain..... ham kisi
baat ki tashreeh ya tafseer ma "unlimited" nahi hain, balkeh deen k har hukam ki "uuper limit
and lower limit" pehlay say hi defined hai...... jis shakhs ka bian un limits se bahir jaey ga woh
statement sirray se hi ghalat, woh consideration k bhi laiq nahi hai.
mafhom hadees "musalman ki misal ghoray ki si hai jo aik khontay se bandha hua hai... (rassi ki
length uskay circle ka radius hai)"
lekin jo statements un limits k ander ander aa rahi hai un ka behtareen matlab nikala jaey.
aik aur misal hai jesay zameen rehnay k liay bht bari hai.. kisi insan ko rehnay k liay registan
pasand hai, tau kisi ko phar par rehna pasand hai, kisi ko sahili ilaqay k pas........ medan ma
rehnay walay ko yeh haq nahi hai k woh registan walay ko majboor karay k tum bhi medan ma
aa kar raho....jis ki marzi jahan chahay rahay.... lekin itna farz har aik ka hai, k woh dusray ko
had se guzarnay se rokay.... pahar per rehnay wala pahar ki choti par ja kar rehna pasand karay
tau ussay rokna zaroori hai warna gir kar mar jaey ga...... sahil par rehnay wala kinaray par ghar
mat bnaey warna samander k charhao ma doob kar mar jaey ga...... ham sab ko un hadood ma
rehna chahiey jin ko hmaray mazhab ne define kar dia hai........ un hadood ma jis ka jo dil chahay
karay...
aur yeh baat bhi zaroori hai k aap kis ki baat ko kia importance de rahay hian...
jo baat imam abu hanifa ne farma di, ya imam shafai nay, ya kisi nay bhi kahi ho, ap us baat ko
quran hadees ki kasoti par zaroor parkhain, qk yeh mujtahideen ki izzat apni jgah, lekin unka
darja peghambari nahi, k unki har baat darust ho..... lekin aesa tab mumkin ho ga jab musalman
quran ki taleem hasil karain gy.

Diplomate Group: Members Joined: 18th Oct, 2009 Topic: 39 Post: 2190 Age: 34
Posted on:5th Jan 2010, 12:44pm
 Firqa In Islam - Shia Sunni ( Other Firqah)
Conflicts In Islam
sory for late reply...abb tak pta nhi baat kahan sy kahan tak puhnch chuki hogi..beharhaal
meri pehli post k baad baat jahan tak puhnchi thi main uss ka khulasa yahan likhta hoon aur phir
apni baat ko agey brrahta hoon
mera mu'aqqif yeh hey k islam ko samjney k liye kisi na kisi school of thought ka hona zroori
hey aur usi ka naam maslik / mazhab / firqa / fiqha hey....laiken inteha psndi aur buniyaad presti
sy bcha jaye
doosri trf sy ki jany wali wazahit yeh hey k islam ko bghair kisi school of thought k hi samja ja
sakta hey aur smjana chahiye iss nateejy main ban'ny waley maslik / mazhab / firqa / fiqha koi
maney nhi rakhty..mehaz apney app main tanaza ka baey'es bantey hain
mu'akhar-uz-zikar mu'aqqif ki tashree k silsly main ahabab ny apni apni posts main kafi misalain
b di hain
laiken yahan main iss baat ka zikar b zaroori samjta hoon k myrizvi sahib ny meri pehli post ko
harf be harf nhi prrha hey... aur mujy iss baat pr koi ta'ajub b nhi hey.... bulky ta'ajub mujy iss
baat pr hey k main ny myrizvi ki tittle post sy ly kr akhri reply tak (ta dam-e-tahreer) lafiz be
lafiz prrah hey...behar haal main apni baat ko shuroo krta hoon
Khuda ta'ala Quran Majeed Furqan-ul-Hameed ki Sura Mubarika "Ar'rehman" ,maim irshad
frmata hey k hum (khuda) ny pehley Quran ka ilam diya aur phir insan ko halaq kiya..
(Ar'Rehman,Alla mal Quran,Halaqal Insan) yani ilam ya taleem pehly halq hoi aur insan baad
main halq kiya geya abb ye kaisey mumkin hey k ilam b halaq hogeya insan (student) b halaq
hoogeya aur iss ilam ko hum tak taleeem dainey k liye koi teacher (Hadi) paida na hoowa hoo
..ye mumkin hi nhi hey..bulkey Hadi to taleem aur insan k halq honey sy b pehly hi halq kiye ja
chukey they
abb jis jis insan ny in hadiyoon sy taleem li uss ka apna aik school of thought bn geya aur jis jis
insan ny kisi doosrey zriya sy taleem li (islam) uss uss insan ka apna aik school of thought bn
geya....!
abb yehi Hadi jub insan ko taleem (islam) dy rehy they to inn k students (ayma / fuqha) ny jis jis
andaz main iss baat ko samja bilkul ussi trah hi agey doosrey insano tak uss ki tashreeh aur
muntiqli kr di..yahi sy maslik / mazhab / firqa / fiqha ny janam liya laiken iss main koi teacher ya
koi student ye kehey k jaisey main ny islam ko smja hey ya jis islaam pr main kaar bnd hoon bus
wohi theek hey aur muqabley main sub ghalt hey..to issy buniyaad prasti aur inteha psndi keha
jaye ga........... iss baat ko aik misal ki roshni main daikhtey hain
math ka aik hi subject hey iss ko accunts main b prrtey hain aur iss ko engineering main b prrtey
hain iss subject ki kai aur b shahain hain..abb acunts wala kehy k math sirf aur sirf accunts k liye
hi bna hey aur baqi iss barey main ghoro tad'dabbar aur tareeqa-hy-amal ghalat hey to yeh inteha
psndi hoogi..
by'ayney hi islam ki jis jis feham-o-marf'at sy mufassreen.fuqha ny taleem ko samja unn
mufassreen.fuqha ny apni danist k mutabiq usi usi trah sy hi iss taleem (islam) ko agey muntqil
kiya
laiken issi k sath sath yeh kehna k islam ko baghair kisi ustaad (ayma fuqha mufasreen) k liya
jaye to yeh b munkin hi nhi hey..
lehaza islam ki wazahat jub hoo gi to lamuhala toor pr kisi na kisi school of thought ki base pr hi
hoo gi issi ka hi naam to maslik / firqa / fiqha hey...
school / class main talib ilam to hoon aur unky paas kitab b mujod hoo laiken uss kitaab ki
taleem dainy wala ustad mojood na hoo ...to ye mumkin hi nhi hey k ..aik aam sa studant aik
ustaad k baghair hi uss kitaab ko samj kr prr ley..ya uss ilam ko hasil kr ley jo k kitaab main darj
hey
iss liye jo loog yeh kehtey hain k hamarey liye allah aur us ki kitaab hi kafi hey to unn loogoo k
liye main yehi arz kroon ga k wo apney aam sy duniyawi mu'amlaat ka mushahida krain k aik
aam sy duniyawi school /college main aik aam sy studant k liye kai kai teachers ka hona zrori
hey..school main , college main,alag sy tution k liye.. waghaira waghaira... tab jaker kaheeen aik
student k palley kuch prrta hey....abb yeh kaisey mumkin hey deen ho khuda ka pasndeeda aur
kitab hoo ummal kutab yani Quran pak..aur wo bghair kisi Hadi k hi samj main ajye..yeh
mumkin hi nhi hey (yahan aam qari hazraat ya huffaaz karam ki baat nhi ho rehi hey)..yani aik
dunyawi si kitaab hum kisi mahar ustad ki madad k baghair samj kr nhi prr saktey ....to ye kaisey
mumkin hy aik ustad ya usateza k baghir hum iss laraib kitaab yani quraan ko samj skain...
lehaza quran ko samjaaney k liye jin asateza ka khuda ki tarf sy nazool howa unn ka nam-e-nami
Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.a.w) k jin k seeny main ye la-raib kitab ka nazool howa.. aur all-e-
Muhammad (s.a.a.w) hain jinhoon ny App (s.a.a.w) sy direct Quran ko liya aur ...jin ki shan-e-
aqdas main Quran Majeed ka nazool howa..abb App (s.a.a.w) ki hiyaat-e-mubarika k doraan to
App (s.a.a.w) ny quran ki ayaat ko tafseer sy biyaan kr diya ..laiken agr kisi insan ko App
(s.a.a.w) k baad quraan sy hadayet ki zroorat hey to wo quraan ko kahan sy ley...lehaza Allah
ta'ala ny iss baat ka b bndoobast pehley sy hi frma diya ..yani Allah ta'ala ny App (s.a.a.w) k 12
jansheen muqarar kiye jin k barey main khud Allah k Nabi ka frman hey k "Aw'walo na
Muhammad (s.a.a.w) wa Akhro na Muhammad (s.a.a.w) wa auosto na Muhammad (s.a.a.w) wa
kullo na Muhammad (s.a.a.w)" yani humara pehla Muhammad (s.a.a.w) humara akhiri
Muhammad (s.a.a.w) humara dermiyana Muhammad (s.a.a.w) neez hum sab k sab Muhammad
(s.a.a.w) hain...
Rasool Pak (s.a.a.w) apni zindgi main hi apney nayb ki nishandehi kr geye aur nizam-e-wilayet k
teesrey wali ka bazoo buland kr ky ghadeer k muqaam pr aik lakh sy zayed hajioon k majma
main hajja-tul-widah k mooqa pr bta geye k agr mery baad tumhain quraan sy islam ki babat
hadayet ki zaroorat hoi to mery iss wassi sy hadayet laina jis ko main sirf apni hi marzi sy nhi
bulky khuda ki b marzi sy tamam jahaan k loogoo k liye apna jansheen muqarar kr reha
hoon..issi moqa pr quran pak ki akhri aya majeeda "al yoma akmalta kum deena" ka nazool howa
...(yani aaj deen paya takmeel ko puhncha..)
jis nuqta nazar k tehat main uper wali baat arz kr raha hoon yeh islam ko lainey ya samjney k
liye aik school of thought hey zroori nhi k sb ko iss andaz sy islam ko samjney ki ulfit
muhabbat , chahat aur dilchasbi hoo..har kisi ko haq hey k wo apney toor sy fikar-o-tad'dabbar
krey iss main koi mumanit nhi hey bulky issi ka naam to alg alg school of thought hoo ga yani
maslaik / firqa / fiqha...thats point
doosri baat
Deen-e-haq duniya main sirf aik hi hey aur uss ka naam islam hey aur muqabley main sab batil
hain aur issi ko khuda k nazdeek pasndeeda deen keha geya hey
deen aik haqeeqt ka naam hey kisi aqeedy ka naam nhi hey
q k aqeedy ko sabit krna prrta hey aur iss main kai aik jeh'atain (aqli mantqi daleelain / sha'oori
toor pr kisi nateeja tak puhnchna) paida hosakti hain aur agr yeh jeh'atain haqeeqt sy mutsadim
na hoon to inn main koi burai ya bid'at nhi hey aur agr yeh jeh'atain haq ya haqeeqt sy takra jaien
ya haq sy muhtlif hoon to phir batil hain..
laiken aqeedey k tarah haqiqat ko sabit nhi krna prrta aur na hi iss main kisi jeh'at ki zaroorat hoti
hey haqeeqt k hud k paoon hootey hain jis pr haqeeqt kharri hoi hoti hey jaisey kehtey hain na k
yeh din hey ..yeh raat hey..waghaira.. abb iss haqeeqat k liye kis misaal ki ya daleel ki zaroorat
hoo gi
Ba'az auqaat insan raigistaan main door sy khrrey chil chilati dhoop main rait k chamkny waley
zroon ko drya ka pani samj laita hey ..laiken paas janey pr jub haqeqat munkishif hooti hey to
ankhain khuli ki khuli reh jati hain k yeh pani nhi bulkey rait hi hey...aur jub tak insan ny qreeb
sy uss rait ko parkh kr rait sabit nhi kr liya tab tak insan ka iteqaad tha ya wo kisi aqeedy pr
qayem tha laiken pass jatey hi wo aqeeda ya aitqaad hqeeqat main badal geya ....laiken agr koi
insan haqeqt ko pa lainey k bawjood b issi baat pr israar krta rehey k nhi ye pani hi hey rait nhi
hy...to iss soorat main aitqad ko haq sy takraney k mutradif samja jaye ga aur ye aqeeda batil
hey..baqi haqeeqt ko paney k liye tag-o-doo krna ya justujoo krna bura amal nhi hey..aur issi ko
school of thought ka naam diya jata hey aur issi sy hi maslik / firqa / fiqah janam leyty hain..pus
inn muhtilif schools of thought ka ban jana bura nhi bulky haqeeqat sy muhtilif baat pr arrey
rehna inteha psandi b hey aur ghalt b hey
pus iss ziman main maslik / firqa / fiqah ya school of thought ka wajood pazeer ho jana koi buri
ya ghalt baat nhi hey..aur yeh to Nabi pak (s.a.a.w) ki hadees-e-mubarika sy b wazey hey ..App
(s.a.a.w) ny frmaya meri ummat k 72 / 73 firqey hoon gy..baat sirf yeh buri hey k iss masaalik /
firqoon / fiqhoon ya school of thoughts ka apis main takrao hoo..jis ki khuda ta'ala ny Quran
Majeed main b mazzamat frmaie hey ..Irshad-e-bari ta'ala hey k "Allah ki rassi ko mazbooti sy
thaam loo aur apis main tafarqa mat kro"..iss aya majeeda sy jahan ittfaq-o-ittehaad ka dars milta
hey waheen maslik / firqa / fiqah ya school of thought k aik sy ziyada honey ka sboot b milta
hey....walla ho alam bis-swab

info1234 Group: Members Joined: 27th Nov, 2009 Topic: 11 Post: 368 Age: 28
Posted on:7th Jan 2010, 5:22am
 Firqa In Islam - Shia Sunni ( Other Firqah)
Conflicts In Islam
yehi tau hmari kamzori hai k hamara itna ilm nahi.... q nahi ilm? kia quran parhna gumrahi hai ya
issay samajhnay k liay bht wkt chhaiey?
yeh sirf hmaray musalmano ki susti kahili hai, k woh oot patang cheezon k liay bht wkt nikal
saktay hain lekin apnay deen k liay nahi.
Alhamdolillah mujhay un tamam ultay seedhay sawalaat k jawabaat maloom hain.. aur yeh Allah
ka karam hai k mera iman un sawalaat k jawabaat main aur ziada hota hai...... islam ki misal
Surah Ibraheem ma Allah nay in alfaz ma di hai "is ki misal us darakht ki si hai jo apni mazboot
jaron se zameen ma qaim hai aur uski shakhain asman tak pohanchi hui hain.."
agar wakai islam aesa darakht hai tau har sawal ka jawab mojud hona chaiey.... woh sawalaat sun
kar waswasun ma woh log partay hain jo deen ka ilm nahi rakhtay.... .. .. agar aap in sawalun se
bachna chah rahay hain tau yakeen kar lain mustaqbil qareeb ma apkay bachay apsay yeh sawal
pochain gy qk aap apnay bachon ko school zaroor bhejain gy, tv zaroor dikhain gy, internet par
zaroor bithaengy..... woh wkt bht qareeb hai k aap ko har jgah wohi sawalaat nazar
aingay....black water ki pakistan ma mojudgi k kia plans hain aap soch bhi nahi saktay.
aur in sawalon k agar ham jawab na de sakay, tau bht se non muslim islam qabol karnay se ruk
jain gy, jinki zimedari ham par hogi.
aap jin logon ko wahabi ya deobandi samajhtay hain woh asal ma khud nahi jantay k unka
mazhab kia hai, woh apnay baap dada ko jis tarhan dekhtay hian chal partay hian, yehi mamla
brailvi tabqay ka hai k unhay khud apnay aqaid nahi maloom, aur yeh non muslims brailvion ma
brailvi ban kar mojud hain, deobandion ma deobandi, wahabion ma wahabi aur musalmano ko
khud nahi maloom k un ma munafiqeen badlay bhes ma mojud hain aur un k ulma se aesay
bianat dilwatay hain k ajeeb kisam ki nafrat phelti hai, yehi munafiq mizaron par ja kar sajday
kartay hain aur dusray musalmano ma brailvion ko mushrik aur janay kia kia kehelwatay hain,
yehi deobandion ma, wahabion ma aesay aesay bianat jari karwatay hain, k unhay kafir murtad
qarar dia jata hai..... kash kabhi ap un non muslims se milain jo apko isi haqiqat ka tana de kar
hanstay hain k "ham log wahabi version ko is tarhan use kartay hain, brailvi version ko is tarhan,
shia version ko aesay, sudani version ko aesay, iraqi version ko aesay, taliban version ko
aesay....."
agar aap kisi bhi maslak se taluk rakhtay hain, tau ap woh q nahi kartay jo apko karnay ka hukam
hai?
quran parhna, samajhna aur amal karna har musalman ka farz hai... jo quran parhay ga ussay
samajh a jaey gi k Rasool karim SA k irshad par amal karna bhi wesa hi hai jesa quran par amal
karna, Rasool Karim SA k irshad k mutabik sihaba ki pervi karna bhi wesa hi zaruri hai, aur jis
par ummat ka ijtma ho jaey woh baat bhi wesi hi zaruri hai jesi quran ki ayet, aur soaliheen ki
pervi karna bhi asal ma sihaba ki hi pervi hai, lekin is sab k bawajood apki sab se pehli approach
quran honi chhiaey qk quran apko yeh rasta bta raha hai.. hmaray log quran parhnay se dartay
hain k isay samajhna hmaray bas ki baat nahi.. agar ap kuch samjhain tau apko andaza ho jaey ga
k quran ko samajhnay k liay 6 mahinay bhi bht hain, aur arbi seekhnay k liay 1 mahina, sirf niyat
aur shok chahiey.
agar ap quran k is tarzeamal ko ikhtyar karain tau apko samajh a jaey gi k har musalman Allah ka
wali hai, lekin uska darja us k apnay aemal k hisab se uskay ikhtyar ma hai...... wali e kamil woh
shakhs hai jo pooray dil aur pooray wajood se quran o sunnat par qaim ho.... aur mujtahid woh
hai jo quran o sunnat ka poora ilm janta ho..
agar aap Hazrat Sheikh Jilani ki hi misal rakh lain tau apko pata lagay ga k unhon nay sab se
pehlay quran o sunnat ki taleem hasil ki, tab willaiyat ki raah li, agar aapko quran o sunnat ka ilm
hai, tab apko kashfulmajoob ki samajh aey gi.... aur kashful majoob ma apko jgah jgah yehi
hidayet milay gi k logo Allah k kalam ko parho aur samjho.
aur yeh hanfi hanbali maslak k jhagray bhi jahil musalman ikhtyar kartay hain.... ....
aik choti si misal sunain, thomas edison ne jo electric bulb ijad kia tha aur aj k electric bulb ma
zameen asman ka farq hai, halankeh edison ka bulb nihayet mamoli tha aur us nay beshumar
ghatian kin, lekin aj bhi poori dunia uski izzat karti hai aur ussay bulb ka mojad janti hai.
isi tarhan islam k qaim honay k 350 saal bad jab zamana badalna shuru hua, tau sab se pehlay
hazrat Imam abu hanifa ne hi deen ma baqaida ijtehad ko "dariyaft" kia ijad nahi kia.... islam
mukammal hai, is lehaz se k ye har zamanay ki zarooriat k ahkam rakhta hai.... imam abu hanifa
nay badlay huway zamanay k hisab se islam ko nayay andaz ma pesh kia, un say chand ghaltian
bhi huween, lekin is ijtihad ki buniad rakhnay ki wja se aj bhi unki izzat o umaat par ahsan apni
jgah mojud hai, aur aj bhi unkay beshumar fatway bilkul darust hain.... un k bad ma anay walay
Imm Shafi , Imam hanbali waghera nay sirf imam hanifa ki ijtehadi ghaltion ko thora aur modify
kia, aur yeh silsilah 19th century tak jari raha.....lekin aj k bewakoof musalman in bazurgon ki
khidmat ko pehchannay ki bjaey in k paak kirdar par keechay uchaltay aur inhay har tarhan se
ghalat sabit kartay nazar atay hain, aur asal ma sab se jahil tareen log yeh khud hain, jinhun nay
apnay deen ko khel tamasha bana rakha hai, aur baat baat main zameen asmaan ko hila denay
wali galian denay lagtay hain, aesay log kia janain deen ki samajh kisay thi aur kisay nahi.
lekin jo log in sab imam ko peghambar ka darjah de kar andhay ho kar taqleed kartay hain woh
bhi darust nahi hai.. jab tak koi shakhs quran ka ilm hasil na kar le, woh kisi deeni maslay ki
haqiqat ko samajh hi nahi sakta.

myrizvi Group: Members Joined: 20th Apr, 2008 Topic: 89 Post: 3861 Age:
Posted on:27th Apr 2010, 11:20pm
 Jazak Allah info1234
sau baatouN ki aik baat...
- hum quran aur hadees ko to ....jo islam ka main source hai,... paRhnay say gurezaan haiN
- lekin islam say motalliq apnay apnay maslak /firqah k imaamoun, peerouN etc ki books ko
seenay sya lagaa.ay doosray maslak k buzurgouN k farmoodaat par 'tabarra bazi' main magan
rahnaa chahtay haiN.
kash hum sab muslims sab say pahlay Islam k asal maa.khaz quran o sunnat ko mokammal taur
par apnay dil o dimaagh maiN baThaa laiN...... phir iskay baad jiss kissi bhi allama /peer ko hum
paRhengay, insha Allah gumraah nahi hongay
info1234 Group: Members Joined: 27th Nov, 2009 Topic: 11 Post: 368 Age: 28
Posted on:28th Apr 2010, 3:50am

Aehle Sunnat k 4 imam ka background

my rizwi bhai yeh itni purani post?
meri akhri post ma aik bht bari ghalti reh gai hai jiski darusti bht zaruri hai, woh shaid us wakt
ma nay khiyal nahi kia tha..
"isi tarhan islam k qaim honay k 350 saal bad jab zamana badalna shuru hua, tau sab se pehlay
hazrat Imam abu hanifa ne hi deen ma baqaida ijtehad ko "dariyaft" kia ijad nahi kia"

yeh "350 saal" nahi hai ... yeh sirf "50 saal hai"
"islam k qaim honay k 50 saal bad (yani hazrat Ali RA k daur e khilafat k 50 saal bad) jab
zamana badalna shuru hua, tau sab se pehlay hazrat Imam abu hanifa ne hi deen ma baqaida
ijtehad ko "dariyaft" kia ijad nahi kia"

asal ma us wakt jis context ma baat ho rahi thi woh posts delete ho chuki hain isliay ab aesa lag
raha hai jesay ma hazrat imam abu hanifa RA ki shaan ma gustakhi kar raha hun....(aesa bilkul
nahi hai)
ma apni baat ki wazahat karna chahta hun.., aur is k sath chand ghalat fehmian door
karna chahta hun
Hazoor SAW k wisal mubarik k wakt tamam islami talimat sirf sihaba RA k pas theen.. ahista
ahista zamana badalna shuru ho gya aur sihaba karam RA is qeemti ilm ko seenay ma liay dunia
se rukhsat ho rhay thay.... Hazrat Ali RA k daur e khilafat ma tamam islami talimat ko ikatha
karnay ka kaam jari hua jo takriban 50 saal tak chalta raha... yeh woh daur tha jab tabaeen ka
daur pooray taur par shuru ho gya aur takriban tamam sihaba RA dunia se rukhsat ho gaey, ab
yeh andesha peda hua k tamam muntashir islami talimat zaiya na ho jain..
Allah apnay deen ka khud muhafiz hai, lehaza Hazrat Imam Abu Hanifa (rehmatullah alae) par
Allah nay ilm ka ehsan farmaya aur unhun nay sab se pehlay is zaroorat ko mehsoos kia.. unhun
nay pooray deen e islam ko pehli martaba aik mukammmal murattab shuda shakal ma "compile"
kar dia k ainda in deen k mitnay ka andesha baki hi na rahay.. unhun nay badlay huway zamanay
ki zaruriat k peshenazar "bakaiqa ijtehad" ka aghaz farmaya aur takriban 60 hazar islami masail
par fatway jari farma kar kai kitabain tasneef farmain... Aap k zuhud ka yeh alam tha k 40 saal
tak musalsal esha k wuzu se fajar ki nmaz parhi..
Hazrat Imam Hanifa RA k daur ma hi Hazrat Imam Malik RA nay bhi deen ko murattab karnay
ka kaam anjaam dia... lekin hazrat Imam Malik RA ka Hazrat Imam Hanifa RA se kuch ikhtilaf
tha.... lekin yeh ikhtilaf us darjay ka nahi tha jo ajkal k musalmano ma hota hai.. balkeh asal ma
in dono imamon nay musalmano ko "ikhtelaf karnay ka tarika bhi samjhaya".. dono imamon ma
ikhtilaf k bawajood mohabbat ka yeh alam tha k hazrat imam hanifa RA nay farmaya "ma nay
Malik se ziada deeni ilm rakhnay wala aur parhaizgar shakhs nahi dekha" aur Hazrat imam
hanifa nay apnay betay ko ilm hasil karnay k liay Hazrat Imam Malik ki shagirdi ma de dia.... isi
tarhan Hazrat Imam Malik RA nay farmaya "ma nay Hanifa se ziada alim aur mudallal insan
nahi dekha" aur Hazrat Imam Malik RA, Hazrat Hanifa RA ki kitabain bht ghore se parhtay thay
aur koi fatwa un se poochay beghair jari nahi farmatay thay..
Hazrat Imam Hanifa RA k isharat kuch ahadis ma bhi miltay hain jin ma Nabi Pak SAW nay in k
ilm aur ijtehad ki pesheengoi farmai thi.
isi tarhan taba tabaeen k daur ma Hazrat Imam shafi RA aur Hazrat Imam Hanbal RA nay badlay
huway zamanay ma islam ki khidmaat pesh farmain, in 4 imam ma sab ma thora thora ikhtilaf
mojud hai, lekin kisi ma bhi "mukhalifat ya nafrat" rai k danay k barabar bhi nahi thi... sirf point
of view ka fark tha jiski sab se bari wja "environment" thi.. Hazrat Imam Hanifa RA ka taluk iraq
seaur Hazrat Imam Malik RA ka taluk medina se tha, zahiri baat hai dono ma ikhtilaf hona
qudrati hai.
lehaza aj agar koi shakhs yeh kahay k woh aehle sunnat hai aur in 4 imamo ma se kisi ko
nahi manta tau us nay apnay deen k takriban 90% hissay ka inkar kar dia, qk deen ko
compile kar k pesh karnay wali yehi 4 azeem hastian hain.

mafhom e hadis "meray bad sab se acha daur sihaba ka ho ga, phir tabaeen ka, phir taba tabaeen
ka"
lehaza hamain in tabaeen aur taba tabaeen ki talimat ko islam se bahir hargiz nahi samajhna
chaiey.

agar dariya se sheher ma pani pohanchanay walay pipe ko rastay ma kaat dia jaey tau
sheher ma pani kesay pohanchay ga? isi tarhan hamaray deen ko ham tak pohanchanay
walay logon k silsilay ko darmian se kaat denay ka matlab apnay mazhab ka inkar karna
hai.
aik aur aham baat.

ma nay Hazrat Imam Hanifa RA k liay "ghalti" ka lafz istemal kia.... is ghalti se hargiz murad
na lia jaey jisay ham apni zban ma ghalti kehtay hian.. is ghalti se murad woh mamooli
conflict hai jo Hazrat Imam Hanifa RA aur Hazrat Imam Malik RA ma hua.... zindgi k akhri
hissay tak dono imamo nay "3 baaton par itefaq nahi kia balkeh ikhtilaf hi barqarar rakha"..... un
3 baaton ma kiska moakkaf darust hai is baat ka faisla Allah qayamat k din farma dain gy, hmara
ilm un logon k muqablay ma rai ka dana hai lehaza ham apnay nakis ilm par un imamo k ikhtilaf
ka faisla karnay ki takat nahi rakhtay.... yehi wja hai k musalman k liay sab se behtareen rasta reh
hai k woh "kisi aik imam" ko poora poora qabool kar le, lekin yeh "behtar" hai gumrahi se
bachnay ka tarika warna kam ilm walo ko confusuion ho sakti hai.

in tamam imam ma ziada tar baaton ma ittefaq hai.. aur jin baaton ma ittefaq hai un ma aik
baat yeh bhi hai "har musalman ko sab se pehlay quran aur sahi hadis ka ilm hasil karna
chahiey, us k bad kisi mujtahid k fatway par amal karna chahiey" .....yeh baat takriban sab
imam nay mukhtalif ilfaz ma bian farmai hai..
lehaza jo musalman in ma se kisi aik bhi imam ki perwi karta hai, usay yeh samajhna chahiey k
us k liay quran aur hadis ka ilm bht zaroori hai, aur yeh baat bhi samajhni chaiey k ham in
imamon ki perwi isliay kartay hain qk in imamon nay ham tak bilkul wohi baat pohanchai
hai jo Nabi Pak SAW nay sihaba ko pohanchai aur sihaba nay in tak pohanchai.
info1234 Group: Members Joined: 27th Nov, 2009 Topic: 11 Post: 368 Age: 28
Posted on:28th Apr 2010, 3:56am

Firqa Warana Fasadat ki aik aur wja

pehli jang e azeem se pehlay 1913 tak takriban tamam alam e islam kafiron k hathon fatah ho
chuka tha aur tamam musalamn kafiron k ghulam ban gaey.. pehli jang e azeem aur dusri jange
azeem k darmiani hissay ma kafiron nay islam ka khatma karnay k liay musalmanon ma masliki
buniadon par fasad peda karwaey jis ma woh bht kamiab huway aur un fasadat ki wja se
musalman ghalat fehmion par bht saray firqon ma takseem hotay gaey....... is arsay ma europe
aur america second world war k tayyarion ma khoob mehnat ma lagay huway thay aur science
aur technology ma aesi tarakki ki k musalman us k khof se maroob ho kar reh gayay.. aur dusri
jange azeem ki hebat musalmano par aesi chha gayi k us k pas kafiron ki tarakki k muqablay ma
"ehsas e kamtari" ka shikar ho gaey... aur yehi ehsas e kamtari firqa warana fasadat ma tezi aur
khana jangi ki waja hai, aur isi ehsas e kamtari ka asar bhi hai k jo musalman europi mumalik se
parh kar atay hian woh apnay molvion ko "dakkia noosi" khiyal kartay hian
myrizvi Group: Members Joined: 20th Apr, 2008 Topic: 89 Post: 3861 Age:
Posted on:28th Apr 2010, 5:09am

Jazak Allah info1234

ab apko bhi "maloom" hogaya hogaa k hum nay etni poraani post ko 'taza' kiyouN kia... agar
maiN aisaa nah kartaa to ham sab apki janib say faraham kardah latest update say mahroom rah
jaatay :)
g haan apnay bajaa farmayaa... chaarouN imaamouN k darmayaan wohi 'ikhtelaaf' thaa jissay aik
hadees maiN Nabi kareem saw nay ummat k liyeh rahmat farmayaa thaa (mafhoom)........ nah k
woh "ikhtelaaf" jo ajkal firqah-parast masaalak k leaders n followers kartay haiN jo apni baat ka
aghaaz hi "tabarra baazi" say kartay haiN aur apni saari tawanaayee masalak ki books quote
karnay maiN kharch kardetay haiN....... aur jab insay kahaa jaa.ay kay aa'o quran ki taraf, aa'o
Hadees ki taraf to yeh apna rukh apnay apnay maslaki leaders ki likhi howi books ki taraf kar
letay haiN.
Allah hum sab ko aqlay saleem ataa karay aur sab say pahlay quran o hadees say islam ko akhaz
karnay ki taufeeq day. aameen
Bewaqoof Group: Members Joined: 19th Sep, 2010 Topic: 226 Post: 3588 Age: 36
Posted on:1st May 2010, 3:00am

Shia aur sunni

etni lambi post tu mai ne nahi parhi. albatta mai etna zaroor kahoo ga keh shia aur sunni dono
apni apni jagah sahi hai. dono ko aik doosre ke aqeeda ka ehteram kerna chahiye. myrizvi
Group: Members Joined: 20th Apr, 2008 Topic: 89 Post: 3861 Age:
Posted on:1st May 2010, 9:58am

"ghair jaanib.daari" ka taqazah

yehi hai, jo bewaqoof Bhai nay kahi hai k donouN apni jagah sahi haiN... yaa apnay apnay
nazdeeq sahi haiN ... bilkul aisay hi jaisay...
‫‪aik shakhs hamesh late daftar pahonchta thaa... jabkay baqi afraad (daftar k) waqt par pahoncha‬‬
‫‪kartay thay.... jab daftar k malik tak oski shikayat pahonchi to osnay apna dafaa kartay howay‬‬
‫‪(Bewaqoof bhi ki ogic ko use kartay howay kahaa) sir maiN to hameshaa 'apnay waqt' par aataa‬‬
‫)‪houN... log ghalat boltay haiN k maiN late aataa houn :‬‬

‫‪Nabi kareem saw ki aik hadees k motabiq... meri ummat maiN bahoot say firqay paida hoNgay‬‬
‫‪magar aik firqay k sewaa jab firqay jahannami hongay.... yaani sirf aik firqah sahi hogaa aur baqi‬‬
‫‪sab ghalat hoNgay aur sirf wohi firqah jannati (sahih) hogaa jo quran o sunnat par amal paraa‬‬
‫‪hogaa (mafhoom)...‬‬

‫‪logically bhi "saray firqay" sahih nahi hosaktay....... jab har firqah aik doosray say (deeni‬‬
‫‪maamlaat) maiN alag alag, juda juda balkay aik doosray kay mokhaalif raastoun par chal rahay‬‬
‫‪houN to saray 'sahih" kaisay hosaktay haiN??? haan mazkoorah balaa molaazim ki tarah "apnay‬‬
‫‪apnay firqay k motabiq" sahih zaroor hosaktay haiN.......‬‬
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‫‪Posted on:5th Oct 2010, 6:07am‬‬

‫یۃ‪ ÇáæáÇ‬ۃ‪ÓæÑ‬‬

‫سورۃ الوالیۃ کے وجود کا بعض شیعۃ علماء اور انکے امام اقرار کرتے ہیں اورکچھ انکارلیکن‬
‫انکارکرنے والوں کایہ انکار بطور تقیہ ہے ‪ ،‬اس سورت کے وجود کی صراحت کرنے والوں میں‬
‫میرزا حسین محمد تقی نوری الطبرسی شامل ہے ( جو کہ ‪ 1320‬ھ میں فوت ہوا ) ۔‬
‫اس نے ایک ایسی کتا ب تالیف کی ہے جس میں اس نے ذکر کیا ہے کہ قرآن کریم میں تحریف کی جا‬
‫چکی ہے اور صحابہ کرام نے اس میں سے بعض اشیا ء چھپا لیں جن میں سورۃ الوالویۃ بھی شامل‬
‫ہے ‪ ،‬رافضیوں نے اس کی موت کے بعد عزت واحترام کے ساتھ اسے نجف میں دفن کیا ۔‬
‫طبرسی کی یہ کتاب ایران میں ( ‪ 1298‬ھ ) طبع ہوئ تو اس وقت اس کے متعلق ہنگامہ بپا ہوا اس لۓ‬
‫کہ رافضی یہ چاہتے تھے کہ قرآن کریم کی صحت کے متعلق یہ شکوک وشبہات صرف ان کے خاص‬
‫لوگوں اور ان کی معتبر کتب تک ہی محدود رہیں ‪ ،‬اور یہ سب کچھ ایک ہی کتاب میں جمع نہ کیا‬
‫‪ :‬جاۓ ‪ ،‬طبرسی اپنی کتاب کے شروع میں کچھ اس طرح رقم طراز ہے‬
‫یہ ایک شریف سفر اور لطف والی کتاب ہے جس کا نام " فصل الخطاب فی‬
‫اثبات تحریف کتاب رب االرباب " ( رب االرباب کی کتاب میں تحریف کے اثبات کا فیصلہ کرنے واال‬
‫خطاب ) رکھا گيا ہے ۔‬
‫اس نے اس میں ان آیات اورسورتوں کا ذکر کیا ہے جس کے بارہ میں اس کا گمان ہے کہ صحابہ کرام‬
‫نے انہیں حذف کردیا اور انہیں چھپا دیا تھا اور سورۃ الوالیۃ بھی انہیں میں سے ایک ہے ‪ ،‬اور جس‬
‫‪ :‬طرح کہ کتاب میں ہے ان کے ہاں یہ سورۃ کچھ اس طرح ہے‬
 ‫یاایھا الذین آمنوا آمنوا بالنبی والولی الذین بعثناھما یھدیانکم الی صراط المستقیم نبی و ولی بعضھما من‬
‫بعض وانا العلیم الخبیر ۔۔۔‬
‫اے ایمان والو اس نبی اور ولی پر ایمان الؤ جنہیں ہم نے مبعوث کیا ہے وہ تمہیں صراط مستقیم کی (‬
‫۔ ) راہنمائ کرتے ہیں وہ نبی اور ولی ایک دوسرے میں سے ہیں اور میں جاننے واال اور خبردارہوں‬
‫اور اسی طرح ان کے ہاں ایک اور بھی سورۃ ہے جسے وہ "النورین " کا نام دیتے ہیں وہ کچھ اس‬
‫‪ :‬طرح ہے‬
‫یاایھا الذین آمنوا آمنوا بالنورین انزلناھما یتلوان علیکم آیاتی ویحذرانکم عذاب یوم عظیم بعضھما من "‬
‫بعض واناالسمیع العلیم ان الذین یوفون بعھدہللا ورسولہ فی آیات لھم جنات النعیم ‪ ،‬والذین کفروا من بعد‬
‫ماآمنوا بنقضھم میثاقھم وماعاھدھم الرسول علیہ یقذفون فی الجحیم ‪ ،‬ظلموا انفسھم وعصوا وصیۃ الرسول‬
‫" اولئک یسقون من جحیم ۔۔‬
‫اے ایمان والو ! ان دونوروں پر ایمان الؤ جنہیں ہم نے نازل فرمایا ہے وہ تم پر میری آیات تالوت (‬
‫کرتے اور تمہیں بڑے دن کے عذاب سے ڈارتے ہیں وہ دونوں ایک دوسرے میں سے ہیں اورمیں‬
‫سننے واال جاننے واال ہوں ‪ ،‬بیشک جو لوگ ہللا تعالی اور اس کے رسول کی آیات میں کۓ گے عھد کو‬
‫پورا کرتے ہیں ان کے لۓ نعمتوں والی جنتیں ہیں ‪ ،‬اور جو لوگ ایمان النے کے بعد اپنے عھدوپیمان‬
‫کو توڑ کر اور رسول صلی ہللا علیہ وسلم نے جو ان عھد لیا اسے توڑ کر کفر کا ارتکاب کرتے ہیں وہ‬
‫جھنم میں ڈالے جائیں گے ‪ ،‬انہوں نے اپنے آپ پر ظلم کیا اور رسول صلی ہللا علیہ وسلم کی وصیت کی‬
‫۔ ) نافرمانی کی یہی ہیں جنہیں کھولتا ہوا پانی پالیا جاۓ گا‬
‫اسی طرح کی اور بھی کئ غلط اشیاء ہیں جو کہ بمع مصحف فارسی کی تصویر کےآپ مندرجہ ذیل‬
‫‪ :‬ایڈریس پر دیکھ سکتے ہیں‬
‫) ‪( http://arabic.islamicwab.com/shia/nurain.htm‬‬
‫استاد محد علی سعودی جنہیں وزارت عدل مصرمیں ایک اچھا خاصہ تجربہ رہا ہے نے اس ایرانی‬
‫مصحف کا مستشرق "برائن " کے پاس مشاھدہ کیا تو اس کی ٹیلی گراف تصویر حاصل کی ‪ ،‬اور اس‬
‫کی عربی سطور پرایرانی زبان فارسی میں ترجمہ کیا گيا ہے ۔‬
‫اور جیسا کہ طبرسی نے اپنی کتا ب " فصل الخطاب فی اثبات تحریف کتاب رب االرباب " میں اس بات‬
‫کو ثابت کیا ہے اسی طرح ان کی کتاب جو کہ محسن فانی کشمیری کی تالیف کردہ( فارسی زبان میں )"‬
‫دبستان مذاھب" اور ایران میں کئ بارطبع ہو چکی ہے میں بھی ہللا تعالی پرجھوٹ کا یہ پلندہ موجود ہے‬
‫اور اسے ایک مستشرق جس کا نام " نولڈکۃ " نے اپنی کتاب " تاریخ مصاحف " ( ‪ ) 2/12‬میں اس‬
‫سورۃ کو محسن فانی کشمیری سے نقل کیااور فرانسی ایشائ ہفت روزہ ( ‪ 1842‬میالدی ) ص ( ‪– 431‬‬
‫‪ ) 439‬نے بھی نشر کیا ہے ۔‬
‫اور اسی طرح مرزا حبیب ہللا ھاشمی الخوئ نے اپنی کتاب " منھاج البراعۃ فی شرح منھاج البالغۃ " (‬
‫‪ ) 217 /2‬میں اور محمد باقر المجلسی نے اپنی کتاب " تذکرۃ االئمۃ " ( ص ‪ ) 20 - 19‬فارسی زبان میں‬
‫بھی نقل کیا ہے جو کہ ایران میں منشورات موالنا کی شائع کردہ ہے ۔‬
‫دیکھیں محب الدین الخطیب کی کتاب " الخطوط العریضۃ لالسس التی قام علیھا دین الشیعۃ " ۔‬
 ‫‪ :‬ان کا یہ سارے کا سارا گمان ہللا تعالی کے مندرجہ ذیل قول کی تکذیب ہے‬
‫‪ :‬ہللا سبحانہ وتعالی کے فرمان کا ترجمہ کچھ اس طرح ہے‬
‫الحجر ( ‪ } ) 9‬بیشک ہم نے ہی قرآن کو نازل فرمایا اور ہم ہی اس کی حفاظت کرنے والے ہیں {‬
‫اور اسی لۓ امت مسلمہ کا اس بات پر اجماع ہے کہ جو بھی قرآن کریم میں تحریف وتبدیل کا گمان‬
‫رکھے وہ کافر اور دائرہ اسالم سے خارج ہے ۔‬
‫‪ :‬شیخ االسالم ابن تیمۃ رحمہ ہللا تعالی فرماتے ہیں‬
‫اور اسی طرح جو بھی ان میں سے یہ گمان رکھے کہ قرآن کریم میں کوئ نقص یا پھر اس کی کوئ‬
‫آیت چھپائ گئ ہے یا یہ گمان رکھے کہ اس کی کچھ باطن تاویلیں ہیں جو کہ مشروع اعمال کو ساقط‬
‫کردیتی ہیں وغیرہ ‪ ،‬تو یہ سب قرامطی اور باطنی ہیں اور اسی طرح تناسخی بھی ہیں جن کے کفر میں‬
‫کسی قسم کا کوئ بھی اختالف نہیں ۔ الصارم المسلول ( ‪ ) 1110- 1108 / 3‬۔‬
‫‪ :‬اور ابن حزم رحمہ ہللا تعالی کا قول ہے‬
‫یہ کہنا کہ دوتختیوں کے درمیان ( یعنی قرآن ) میں تغیر تبدل ہے ‪ ،‬صریح کفر اور نبی اکرم صلی ہللا‬
‫علیہ وسلم کی تکذیب ہے ۔‬
‫الفصل فی االھواء والملل والنحل ( ‪ ) 139/ 4‬۔‬
‫‪ .‬وہللا تعالی اعلم‬