Former Special Agent, US Air Force OSI, Richard Doty.

We'll take the time to chat with Rick

about his career in government; his current thinking on the UAP/UFO phenomena; his
involvement in UFO disinformation; as well as a chance to learn more about Rick and his
philosophies on a number of aspects concerning life and beyond. Rick says that he while at OSI
he was shown a government film which included proof of the Roswell / Corona New Mexico
crash, and an EBE (extraterrestrial biological entity). He also believes Bob Lazar - mostly

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rick dodie on rick welcome to paranormal now thank you alan good to be on your show
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thank you well you know what let's let's let you um give your bio um a little bit of
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background about what you did um at kirkland air force base and then as
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an officer for uh the new york new mexico state police
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well i i was born in new york state upstate new york near barton barton new york which is uh
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near elmara uh okay if you want to look on the map so you're from new york you're a new yorker
uh originally new
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yorker and moved to pennsylvania and then um
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my dad was in the uh service so we travel all over lived in germany
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different states eventually ended up in new mexico
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i entered the regular air force served four years and worked
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in a special operations branch of the air force i got out of the air
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force with college pacific lutheran university tacoma washington
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uh then i joined the government as a counterintelligence officer
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with the air force office special investigations i went to a number of different
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schools in and around washington dc their afosi
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counter intelligence and counter espionage school the cia's counter espionage school
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a dia intelligence officers course okay and then my first assignment was in new
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mexico at uh kirtland air force base do you remember what your first assignment was
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my first assignment was in 1978 i was a counterintelligence officer
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at cortland air force base my job was to
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monitor all classified programs that were occurring on the base
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and set up an operation to protect those those operations so set up an operation to protect the
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classified projects and that encompassed uh working with a number of agencies on the
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base and also with um some and other intelligence units
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uh that within the intelligence community and and like i said our job was to protect classified
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programs the air force was running or other agencies that were stationed
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on kirtland so that was my first assignment okay and how many um
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agencies worked together there oh uh we had on the base we had united
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states army a military intelligence unit we had uh air force intelligence
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air force intelligence is different from the air force osi the air force office of special investigations
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is what i worked for uh was the uh investigative arm of the air force
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it didn't report to any uh command or local commander reported to
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uh the inspector general of the air force that was our chain of command so we didn't have to
worry about any uh uh
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influence or unauthorized influence by a local commander so we we could do our thing
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conduct our investigations and report it up up the chain of command to the uh
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inspector general of of the air force um we worked with uh the defense
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intelligence agency at the office on base uh the national security administration
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had it at an office on base so those are the primary uh agencies i work for uh we
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worked with and there were other uh agencies within the state of new mexico
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uh that uh we cooperated with um since we were at kirtland
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we cooperated and asked for assistance sometimes with albuquerque police department they
had a they had their own intelligence
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unit the new mexico state police had an intelligence unit and some of the local sheriff's
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departments had intelligence units so we we worked with them uh uh all base and
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what what kind of projects aside from and we'll get to the the ufo topic but
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besides that like what other kind of um
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assignments did you have one of the most important assignments that a counterintelligence
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officer has on a base is to protect the base and so what we we uh did and i took over
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for another counterintelligence officer so uh what we do we set up a
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counterintelligence ring around the base so to speak we recruit local people to
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report to us uh what's occurring around the base perimeter outside the base
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any threats posed against the base we want to know before
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they ever happen sure so we recruit people to report to us and that's called a
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counterintelligence network what we also do is contact and have a good working relationship
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sometimes winning and sometimes unwittingly with the local news media
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and um we've been uh criticized a number of times for recruiting local news people
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to report to us any any stories that they were developing or were going
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to report on on and information about the base right and we had a pretty good system
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set up i can't take full credit for it because the count intelligence
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officer before me had already set up a fairly good counterintelligence
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network uh with uh uh the local media
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and and with the citizens that lived uh around the outside of the base with
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those media do you build a rapport or are there people
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already in those media infrastructure that are just willing participants maybe from the top down
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we both we sometimes uh already have sources within the local
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news media the television uh station great television radio and newspaper
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uh sometimes they're executives uh and sometimes uh
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they uh are uh unwitting in a way that we
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uh we have to go around about uh such as uh recruiting them for some some other
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reason but our uh our our secret reason is
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for for them to tell us what's going on within uh the news uh pertaining to the base
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okay so in in general a guesstimation how much uh is it about you collecting
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information like what percentage of that versus you disseminating information that you want to
see it out there or is
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that really just a case-by-case basis well we we don't disseminate much
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we we might help a uh a source within the news network
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uh to find some information to report later but we don't disseminate the actual
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dissemination of the information comes from the public information officer the base pio
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and i have to say that the pio for the base
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actually worked for the intelligence community uh believe it or not uh some people do believe it
and some
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people don't they they uh they're very very very careful on what they report out without clearing
it
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first with with me i mean unless it's some mundane thing that had
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nothing to do or would not affect any type of security on the base
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okay um your your job
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uh when it came to ufos like what what was the mission at hand for for you when
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did this start well started an incident that happened in the coyote canyon test area which is
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on the base eastern part of the base a uh civilian security guard now first of all
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let me uh prefaces with we had uh sandia national laboratories
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a very large defense contractor on the base uh they had all their facilities on the
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base they utilized a number of test areas on the base
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other administration administrative offices other uh uh
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uh secret work uh buildings on the base uh where i mean we're on the base so
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uh they had news when you say secret works like secret access programs or yeah there were
there were secret access
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programs sandia laboratories primary mission was uh to
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develop technologies non-nuclear technologies for nuclear weapons
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uh for instance the uh component inside the weapon not the actual
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uh uranium or plutonium but just a component that uh fired the weapon or something
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something like that they developed and they and they uh they manufactured those they also had
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other missions uh some of which are classified uh but but their primary mission was nuclear uh
nuclear weapons
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uh uh maintenance uh and developing uh new uh
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devices for the nuclear weapons to advance uh our the nuclear weapons program did you
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did you like your job i loved you and yes yeah yes i did i did i it was a
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it was like living a dream so to speak uh something new happening every day
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um there was actually supposed to be two of us the uh other uh
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counterintelligence officer um was diverted on another assignment
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so he eventually showed up but it was i was on my uh my own for about 15
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months before he showed up yeah but anyways getting back to the story at the coyote canyon
cody canyon was a uh
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area east uh of the base on on the proper on the base proper but in a in the canyon
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uh the county canyon was used to uh conduct tests tests on nuclear
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weapons non-nuclear testing and and other classified testing a security guard a sandia security
guard
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a civilian guard not a military guard uh which for san diego laboratories was patrolling
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the area one night uh one early morning actually and he saw an object
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which he later described as a flying saucer land at one of their uh
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classified bunkers in that area and
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as he approached this object his vehicle shut off all his electronics
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shut off his portable radio shut off and that he was stuck out there
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without any any communications and of course he had a weapon he had a handgun he had a
shotgun
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and he watched this thing land he watched something occurring uh near the front entrance to
this
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bunker okay and eventually uh the
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craft left flew in a in a southwesterly direction
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now this isn't very far from manzano weapon storage area
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and manzano weapon storage area at the time was the largest nuclear weapons storage
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area in the free world thousands of nuclear weapons were stored there
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the perimeter and the complex was guarded by air force security police or
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military police and some of the security policemen on the perimeters on the perimeter of this
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area saw this object come in and land so multiple witnesses here multiple
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witnesses okay well the next day which was the thursday
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uh one of the the chief of security for sandia contacted me and said hey rick we need to we
need to
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get together i need to report something to you and we had a memorandum agreement on the on
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with sandia labs and with some other civilian contractors on the base such as the department of
energy doe was
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actually had other facilities on base whereby if they had some kind of a
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security breach or something to this effect that occurred on the base in or
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in their area they would notify me so he notified me of what happened
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uh later that afternoon i interviewed the security guard he was a former army
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uh helicopter mechanic he'd been he'd been working for sandia
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for about 10 years uh clean record i mean he had a security clearance
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which is acute clearance meaning he had access to nuclear material uh he knows uh since he
was a helicopter
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mechanic he knows what a helicopter looks like he he guaranteed me this wasn't a helicopter
he didn't know what it was
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but he referred to it during our conversation and during his written statement in his oral interview
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that it was a flying saucer i took all the information that he gave me
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uh let me go back a little bit at this time i was not briefed into any special
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access program with the air force regarding ufos or ets or anything like that
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uh in fact at no time during my training uh which lasted uh
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about about eight eight months eight nine months was i ever meant was the subject of ufos
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or ets mentioned except for one small probably a 15-minute lecture by a
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air force officer that said that you may at times receive uh reports of
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ufos and you need to refer to this particular manual
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of what to do and that was that that was the entire briefing at that time but you you were so you
weren't primed for ufos
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or extraterrestrials but you were primed for the nuclear security um that when you
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say q clearance is that like something that is common used
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within intelligence or is that specific to um certain agencies
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no that's that's that's uh particular to anyone that accessed with
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nuclear material or or nuclear storage areas
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yeah nuclear it doesn't have anything to do with uh we'll we'll get into the other eq program in a
minute but uh but but
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just a queue without a number in front of it is uh has uh to do with nuclear material okay
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and so uh i took a report uh later that afternoon uh lieutenant
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colonel ernie edwards who was the chief of security for manzano he called me that late
afternoon and
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told me some of his men some of his security personnel saw
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something out in coyote canyon so uh on friday afternoon i got those uh three
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airmen together and interviewed them separately i mean i brought them in interviewed them
separately and they
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told me what they saw they didn't know what it was they didn't they knew it landed someplace
out there
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but it was uh they they referred to as unconventional aircraft it wasn't anything they'd seen they
knew what
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airplanes were they knew what helicopters were and this object that landed out there was not
any of those
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well okay so you're saying unconventional aircraft right but then someone else says flying
saucer um
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those could be total two totally different things so of all the different witnesses that reported to
the
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um to sandia security head did they pass any other descriptives on
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to you of what they what they saw well yeah the the the the person that actually uh
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witnessed that was close to it was the sandia security guard he described
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the object is circular completely circular and he said it was like a flying saucer
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i had a bulge on the bottom of it a bulge on top emitted bluish bluish
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he called tinkling lights uh there's no white lights just just bluish lights
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right uh he saw land he saw it come down but he didn't actually see it touch the ground
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and one reason for that is because of the position of his vehicle
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uh he had a angular view of it and he couldn't actually tell and there
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were i mean this is in a very remote area and there was some brush and things in front of it so
he couldn't actually
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see it land or sit on the ground uh when he when we went out there later the
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following week we went out there and he showed me the area showed me exactly where he his
vehicles parked
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i could see why he couldn't actually see atlanta didn't know what landed or not but as we
examined the ground we saw uh
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some protrusions into the ground and we also saw some some uh
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there wasn't any grass out there was all dirt but he's i saw burnt marks on the dirt
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on top of the dirt and of course i took that as samples and and and we we
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submitted to a laboratory and so forth so uh at that time
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uh i began to wonder if it wasn't something we had i mean kirtland air force base at that
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time uh had a a number of classified projects
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occurring and one of them was the drone program we had back in 1979 we began the air
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force began experimenting with different types of drones so my first thought was oh this is an
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air force drone that's what i thought jerome would that be the uav category yes uab category
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and so when i got back and i did a report and a a ci report
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uh and submitted it uh probably
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a couple days later my boss came in to me my boss was a civilian uh at gs14 and he said uh
hey rick he
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said uh you needed you need to go over to the air force special security office afso and get
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briefed into a special program i said okay what's it about he said
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just go and get it just go tomorrow at eight o'clock in the morning or whatever time it's eight or
nine
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and see a a air force colonel and he'll brief you i said okay so i'm thinking it's something
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now i had access to everything that was occurring on the base
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all the classified programs i i had i knew about i had been briefed into because that was my job
when you say
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except for this one when you say oh like all that your that the base was was cut was
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assigned to to cover yes i was supposed to have access to
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everything now we'll get into that a little bit later so this was was this something that was going
on that you were supposed to have
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access to but you're now just learning about no not necessarily uh
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when i got over there uh we went into a secure facility a bubble a
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very secure room there were a number of other people in this room and the first thing the
colonel started
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out with is i'm going to change your belief in god
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that's what he said that's how he started it okay and and he said i'm not joking
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everything you see everything you hear in this room is 100 truthful
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this isn't a an exercise and military uh uh uh trick
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you know everything you see the film that you're about to see the statements that you hear from
me is
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factual so and did it change your belief in god well uh
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somewhat i mean it it makes you wonder but anyways
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he says i'm gonna brief you on this uh plan and there's a number and which will
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need not mean nothing to anybody but it has to do with the united states government's
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investigation and contact with extraterrestrial
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beings and that's that's almost verbatim that's pretty big and
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and then he showed us a film the film was a uh
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it was about a 35 minute film that started out
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with a colonel air force colonel sitting in an office explaining the classifications the
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special access programs all the administrative things that you have to understand
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before you actually get access to something just paperwork stuff and we had to you know sign a
form and all this
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stuff anyway and then from there it went into he said he the colonel on the film says
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you're about to see witness a film of a recovery of an unidentified flying object which
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we later determined it to be an extraterrestrial craft in new mexico
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now this this kernel is not in the mexican film so then it goes into the recovery
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and the the actual roswell incident uh the real roswell incident
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where the crash uh occurred the actual craft itself
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corona yeah landed in corona the debris trail from the antenna
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on the this craft landed uh south uh of corona
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uh towards roswell and the what we were told and what we
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saw was that there were two extraterrestrial crafts uh flying over new mexico and in the
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summer of 1947. uh we had picked these things up on radar and at that time there was only
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two places at radar uh at roswell army airfield had radar
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and there was also a radar complex a classified radar complex
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up near los alamos now that was uh classified right up until 2013 but
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uh it's not classified anymore well both those radar complexes uh track
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something on radar but back in those days uh our radar was pretty crude i mean we had it we
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developed there during world war ii anyways uh it it identified two crafts unknown
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origin unknown types and then uh they disappeared from radar
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uh we found an archaeological team found the chronocraft
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uh braswell brazil and and uh marcel the story their story is they found
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uh they reported finding debris that debris was the antenna
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off the the two crafts yeah i i mean i'm familiar with the archaeological story
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but i think a lot of people have doubt about that um there were witnesses that saw a team and
then
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poof you know gone um did you see any footage of that yourself yeah we saw well we didn't see
the
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footage of it obviously there wasn't anybody there to film uh the archeological theme finding it
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but the recovery of the craft the craft itself was yeah it's it's there i mean
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it's it's a army uh 1947 style film black and white
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uh we saw uh uh a picture of truman there uh uh air force army officials member of
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the air force uh hadn't been organized at that time it was just an army air force okay um
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we saw the saw the craft saw the bodies uh and then uh
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the the story is that they recovered it they took it to uh
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right path and then they brought it back to los alamos which at that time was the safest
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probably the most secure location in the world to do some analysis of it the um
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the bodies uh were transported to los alamos because los alamos at that time
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had the only cryogenic facility that house them
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they were transported to wright-patterson air force base they actually built some cryogenic
facilities
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in right path right paterson air force base in ohio but that was a a year and a half
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or so later yeah they built these specifically for the the aliens
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was their tech already in existence or under development for something like that
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the cryogenics part of it was because los alamos had it they they created it
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because of the bomb they needed cryogenics uh to uh
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facilitate some uh operational mechanisms of of the nuclear of a
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nuclear bomb so they developed the cryogenics uh and i don't have the history of that but
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i know that los alamos had a facility according to the film uh one live e.t was found at the crash
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site uh he was transported to kirtland field
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uh he was transported to a hospital near in albuquerque but then immediately
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uh within hours realizing this was not a
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human being it was they call it an extraterrestrial biological entity they transported to
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los alamos they built a special facility for him at los alamos over the years
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yeah so that's the roswell craft now the second craft
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is and this is sorry rick this is all one one film yes one
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that's a long it sounds like a long film well it's it's it's narrated in a in a summation type i
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mean they didn't go any great details on every anything or everything but the second craft was
found way west of
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socorro new mexico on horse mesa by a rancher very very remote area of new
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mexico uh he found the craft didn't know what it was he was moving his cattle up to another
pasture um
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he he thought it was something that founded the sky he had no idea what it was you know this
is 1949. so it took
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him two days to get back to his ranch to keep uh you utilize a telephone and he called
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the catering county sheriff reported it to the sheriff well a week goes by actually eight days
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go by goes by before the sheriff came out uh with a deputy
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and they managed to make it up there when when the sheriff got up there uh the sheriff realizes
this is
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something that he'd never seen before and so he needs to call the government
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so the public army uh in in at kirtland base and uh
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about uh 12 12 to 15 days later a convoy went up there and recovered that crap
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now the cred the the et's uh that were piloting that craft were were all dead
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they were inside and their bodies had deteriorated and they brought that back craft back to
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kirtland uh with the other one and uh so
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we had an e.t in captivity from 1947 to 1952. we called him eve it was a male
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and in this film they don't go into a lot of details
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about the et but they do show show a picture of him and they made they eventually were able
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was able to communicate and during the communications process
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he explained to them uh in his own terms because remember he he has no
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uh knowledge of of our society our math our science
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so in rude uh rudimentary uh way
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he he he explained things to us okay let's let's hold it there we'll get back sure with the ebe story
and so much more
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uh to cover and i have so many questions for rick and i know you do too as well uh this is alan b
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in the beginning was the fact that half-light documentary my little passion project that i've been
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working on for about a year and a half now will premiere this saturday april 30th at 9 00 pm
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eastern standard time 6 p.m pacific time so i hope you all join me for that premiere i'll be there in
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there's 12 different participants who are paranormal researchers ufological researchers
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strangeness as much as i do will appreciate it so i hope i'll see you there on saturday and also
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right we're back with rick dodie uh rick so let's pick it up with the ebe uh story um and i and
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before before we do i have a really great question from chat that i wanted to bring up this is from
ufot
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i wonder why the et's bodies were not quarantined there are never any details about anyone
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being quarantined who were around them it would seem like that would be in the protocols
35:56
yeah exactly um i d at the time of the briefing they didn't mention anything about a
36:02
quarantine but later on i learned that they they did the the people that recovered the bodies
36:09
the the army air force personnel recover the bodies the physicians the scientists
36:15
they all had uh suits on proper suit suiting and a mask
36:21
on then they took samples of of the bodies and they took samples
36:27
of e.t of the of the ebitda one uh so yeah that protocol was followed
36:34
even crudely back in those days uh at the time of the briefing it it we didn't we didn't
36:40
mention anything about that right and how do you have protocols for extraterrestrials if this is
your first
36:46
encounter with such a thing exactly previous to this are you aware of the government
36:53
other than you know beginning with kenneth arnold um having any other interest or awareness
36:59
of visitors from off planet at the time of the briefing they didn't
37:05
mention anything other than that the in fact the colonel mentioned this was our first
37:12
contact with an extraterrestrial race now you know people are going to jump all
37:17
over and say oh no in 1939 and 1923 and 18 you know they're
37:23
going to give me all sorts and i've been through this uh over the years at ufo conventions
37:28
where they're they they bring forth examples of of things that occurring well i'm just telling you
37:35
what i was what i knew and what i was pulled in in 1979
37:41
now there could well and i think what i know now
37:46
after all these years i think there actually were other instances of a contact we had with an e.t
race but
37:56
it wasn't a formal uh government uh contact i mean it wasn't
38:02
actually contacted with our government like this thing was like contact like
38:07
in the same place contact are we talking about technology no no no we're talking about a craft
38:12
that crashed someplace and the locals didn't know what to do with it didn't
38:18
report it uh maybe wrote it up in a newspaper yeah uh you know think something to that
38:24
effect rick i have to ask you this too because i ask everyone the same question and like why is it
38:31
that ufos historically have crashed in non-populated areas i mean
38:38
why doesn't a ufo crash in in a densely populated city or
38:44
nearby wish i knew that i'd have no idea why i'm i'm not a scientist actually my
38:51
degrees in political science and education and i i taught school mathematics before so i i
38:57
don't know i mean that's a good question but um there are reasons
39:04
and another question that i'm sure somebody's going to ask you is or ask me they they do this
all the time and every
39:10
almost every interview every podcast is this this race of ets came
39:16
thousands of light years or hundreds of light years or 50 light years or 10 light years
39:23
to visit earth and they crash why why are they crashing well there's
39:28
very smart scientists dr hal put off as one of them and most people know dr hal put off a very
39:36
brilliant scientist i actually worked for him at the institute for advanced studies
39:41
um he he had he comes up with a excellent theory is that
39:47
these these crafts are coming from their planet traveling through
39:53
a void their vacuum a space and then coming into our planet now
39:59
their planet might not have the van allen belts their planet probably might not have
40:05
lightning and actually evil one explained that what what the craft what happened was
40:13
their instruments malfunctioned because of lightning during the time that those two crafts were
flying over new mexico
40:19
in july of 1947 there was a severe lightning storm
40:25
now if you have technology if you're you raised in a technology advanced your technology
40:31
uh without lightning uh lightning can do all sorts of things to electronics
40:37
and so i mean and they aren't a superman race and their their craft don't have
40:44
superman technology so what happened as far as
40:49
that we feel to happen at least what i saw in the film is that they crashed the crafts crashed
40:56
one landed near corona the other landed the horse mesa and and we believe it was because of
the lightning
41:02
okay so and you mentioned radar earlier i've always thought that because especially radar in
the early days was rather you know crude it was it was hot
41:09
um could that have been strong enough to affect instruments that's that's that's possible a lot
41:15
there's there was some research done on that uh and and you know i said i i'm i don't
41:21
have all the technical knowledge but i think you there that's been brought up as
41:26
as a possible uh a reason too so eba is real you're telling us that that there's a real
41:33
alien captured you believed this well absolutely i mean i saw it
41:38
i have no reason to doubt what i saw the briefing i mean
41:43
i wasn't the only one there's been other people come forth over the years i've gotten to receive
the same briefing that
41:49
i did uh and and i i have no reason to doubt what i saw wasn't real in fact
41:58
over the years my next 10 years in in counter intelligence
42:03
uh the movie the the movie i saw um [Music]
42:11
i i proved it by cases that i investigated over the years that what i saw in that film
42:18
is factual that we are being visited because it didn't just mention roswell
42:25
it mentioned other crafts crashes the kingman crash uh two other crashes that
42:31
no one seems to know anything about but the government two that landed that crash in nevada
uh one that crashed in
42:38
wyoming those were covered recovery operations that and they were in the fifties and
42:45
one in the sixty or two in the sixties and that uh the air force uh down aircraft a dart
42:52
team it's called a downed aircraft recovery team and that those teams uh
42:58
were formed in the 50s and 60s uh even probably happened today
43:03
uh to recover down aircrafts whether they whether they be something that we know
43:09
such as a such as an earth uh aircraft from a foreign country or an unknown
43:14
from someplace else so what else did you learn from the ebe ex extraterrestrial biological entity
would
43:21
you refer to as eba well the the the
43:26
the only thing the film said was that he he provided technology to us they didn't go into details of
what the technology
43:33
was later on uh during my career i found that the craft had an energy device
43:40
it was a rectangular shaped uh thick device that we thought that at the time
43:48
that was recovered at the crash site the scientists thought it was a window
43:54
but in actuality it was a it was an actual energy device he explained that to us
44:00
to the scientists and they also had this box
44:05
that had little protrusions on it and that was their communications device
44:11
and we could not understand the technologies of these two devices
44:17
in fact in the late 40s and late in in the 50s
44:23
we exhausted every means of trying to understand now remember even eva 2 evo 1
44:29
died in 1952 and so he wasn't around to try to help us figure out what these things were
44:36
i see okay what was this device on eba or was it just recovered from the craft was it no it's
44:43
recovered from the crash site okay cause i imagine it was perhaps something like a cell phone
or you know the version of
44:48
that no the hey now there was a communicator but uh
44:54
we figured that out pretty early pretty early on as as i was told uh that
45:00
it was a small box and it was a form of uh person-to-person communications
45:07
and and uh and i think we figured that out sometime in the 60s or something
45:12
but uh yeah he had a personal communications device on him and i think uh
45:18
somebody uh uh i think linda howell one of linda howell's uh contacts explained that a lot more
uh
45:26
than i could in details what would eva have been aware of and this is coming
45:32
from a question from android purity i'm gonna building on this um would they
45:37
have been aware of crashes like um the 1897 crash of aurora texas if that was
45:42
in fact um a ufo wouldn't this being be aware of previous visitations or
45:49
crashes and if so did he share everything that he knew
45:56
again i was i didn't debrief him i don't know everything that he provided uh just a summary of
what what he did i
46:04
don't i never heard anything about uh his knowledge of other crashes but he did state
46:11
uh and this was easily understood by our our our scientists now
46:17
let me go back a little bit there was an air force captain that was assigned to him as his handler
and that captain
46:23
stayed with him uh from from late 1947 right up until the day he died
46:30
and that captain uh linda howell interviewed him some years ago uh the this captain was
46:36
uh he knew you know everything about eba he lived with him uh
46:43
they they were able to communicate uh so there was a lot of things he told us
46:49
that is probably a highly classified even even maybe even today but one thing he did tell us that
46:56
his his people his race for a lot of years now
47:04
for a second can you repeat that yeah he said that his race
47:10
had been visiting our area of soul of space
47:17
for for for many years now he didn't use the word years because remember their time and our
time
47:24
is entirely different but what what they did was they explained to him what what a year was
47:31
they they explained astronomy very brilliant now ebola one was very very brilliant probably a
high q of 180 190
47:39
maybe even 200. that's just your guesstimation yeah yeah just my guess okay uh but once they
explain our
47:47
science to him our timetable to him he grasped that and then we he we
47:54
figured based on what he told us that they've been visiting earth for about 2000 years
48:00
uh i have a question from anonymous how was the et determined to be male 1
48:07
they have a uh a production reproduction system uh like ours they have a male they have
48:13
males and females that begs the question that are we
48:19
related now that's something that uh
48:24
i wish i knew i i know the government uh determined dna on him uh that's been
48:33
um uh even leaked to some people uh over the years uh so
48:39
uh you know you're no one ever told me that i mean i it's but based on what i've
48:46
learned not in the government but later on i believe i believe we are
48:52
somehow if they've been visiting us yeah for 2 000 years and they had uh active
49:00
uh they they had active uh uh contact with with the human beings
49:08
uh for we don't know how many years other than going back 2000 years
49:15
there could be some uh form of uh of uh
49:21
of exchanging dna i would say now true although on the scale of evolution two thousand years
isn't very much right i
49:27
mean we were but we know
49:34
uh and then and another thing he told us uh which is
49:39
they didn't go into great details in the in the movie in the film but he told us there had been
49:45
uh 10 other races of ets that have been visiting earth
49:51
for for a long time now he didn't say 2000 years or anything like that but but so we knew at that
time in 19 when
49:59
he was we he was being interviewed that there were 10 other races visiting earth
50:05
now he drew maps i mean there were hundreds of maps and
50:10
and uh stars charts and things that he had drawn
50:16
uh that are probably so classified that i don't know that we could actually understand them
because
50:22
if you're if you're if you're taking it if he's if he's um if he's from zeta reticuli which we pretty sure
he is
50:29
uh and he's drawing a star chart from his planet uh it would look a lot different
50:36
uh from our planet so uh i don't know that we've understood all of them but he
50:41
actually pinpointed where these uh other alien races were located
50:46
because of their uh exploration of space and and he identified himself as a space explorer
50:54
do you recall the the closest uh planet to to earth excellent
50:59
it was it it was uh a system it was it
51:05
close our closest star uh uh pr uh uh
51:10
can't think of it right centauri centroid yeah yeah centauri proxima b i think is francis
51:18
um so you know you mentioned linda milton howe and of course obviously there's all that
controversy around um
51:24
the counterintelligence aspect of information that was given to bill moore and to linda molten
howe and so on and
51:30
so forth so before we move into that can you clarify the difference between
51:35
disinformation counter intelligence um and and and then bring us up to date to where
51:42
where you started working with bill moore well the difference between counterintelligence and
disinformation
51:49
uh it's just the way a project is is run
51:55
uh you won't see any word you won't see the word disinformation
52:02
in the encounter intelligence manual which is classified uh
52:08
you're not going to see that but uh the
52:13
way that an operation is run to protect a a uh a project
52:20
uh we we provide uh disinformation
52:27
in order to hide the truth so i mean if we had a the pub in which
52:33
is a is a classical case which i'm sure we're going to talk about but that's a classical case of of
uh
52:40
of he had access to something that we wanted him to believe was ufo related and not
52:48
really what he he delved into right well so listening i just want to clarify if you're not
52:53
familiar with paul benowitz he was an engineer working out in albuquerque new mexico he
came across
52:59
uh some signals right that that he believed were extraterrestrial is that
53:04
correct that's correct okay and then then what happened where did you step into that equation
53:11
well paul benowitz lived right outside the perimeter of the carlin air force
53:17
base in an area called four hills actually where same place in the area where my my parents
was
53:25
he lived right outside the base he also lived not within within about six miles
53:31
of manzano storage area and coyote canyon
53:37
um he started filming things that were flying around the base
53:42
uh he also was picking up strange signals now paul benowitz
53:48
was a member of afro which was uh predecessor to mufon
53:53
um the lorenz marine child lorenzo's brain child right he'd been he'd been a
53:59
investigator from newfound for many years going back to the 60s so he already believed in ufos
okay so he
54:06
he went to i i mentioned this name earlier lieutenant colonel
54:11
um who was the chief of security ernie edwards with chief security for manzano
54:18
he went to him and he said listen i'm a civilian i live outside the base
54:25
and i took all these pictures and i also think that that there's something going on in the
54:31
bases that's trying to jam your your electronics
54:37
now paul benowitz was a defense contractor he owned a company called thunder
54:43
scientific collapse right outside uh the gate the front gate of kirtland
54:48
um he made sensors a humidity sensors and other sensors for
54:53
for submarines uh he had a dod industrial security clearance
54:59
uh so he knew he knew classified he was a he was a navy
55:04
uh a very distinguished navy pilot um he's a scientist a physicist
55:12
so uh ernie edwards listened to him and said well can you come out to my office so
55:18
anyways he goes out to the office he tells ernie all this stuff he gives him the pictures
55:23
and this is about about 3 30 in the afternoon and ernie immediately got on phone to me
55:28
and he said rick i got it i got a uh red challenge now
55:34
a red challenge uh over the telephone uh
55:40
meant something very seriously jeopardizes the security of the base
55:46
it's a it's a top priority immediate actions required if you look in the manual
55:51
i said okay well yeah and he said i'm at the office i said are you at manzano or are you at your
office on the base the
55:57
base containment area you said no no no no i'm i'm on the on the base uh and katoman area
56:02
so i mean i jumped in and i i was only two minutes away from him i jumped in my uh osi vehicle
and drove
56:10
over there and he laid this stuff out to me he said what the heck is this stuff in these
56:17
pictures of these objects flying around playing airplanes and he says and then he gave me
these
56:23
charts of signals well i i'm not technical i we have people that could understand all that
56:29
our technical security wizards so i said well i don't know but let me go you know take this stuff
56:34
you know you got what's this guy's name he gave me gives me his card he said he hears his
card he
56:41
runs scientific laboratory so i immediately go back to the base i i'm required by manual
56:48
uh by law by military standards to immediately send a message up
56:53
i i i only have 30 minutes to send a message up it's just a summation of what
56:59
i did that and then i started checking up on on him uh
57:04
and i you know we do it what we call a dci like it's almost like an nci i check
57:10
finding all of everything i can and i find everything within about a 30-minute period now i had
other people helping me
57:17
and these pictures that i'm looking at i know what they are they're drones
57:22
back in those days we're experimenting with drones and the only way that we could control the
drones back in those days
57:29
was we would launch an aircraft normally at ec 135
57:34
and then launch the drones out of the aircraft and control them by inside the
57:40
aircraft and the aircraft that'd be close to the drones back in those days so you're saying that
paul benowitz
57:47
saw drones he saw drones now now it gets it gets
57:52
a lot more deeper here but and then as far as the uh the signals that he was uh collecting
58:00
i i went to our technical services people and i said what is it what is this tell me what this is and
they're looking
58:06
at it and they said uh it's jeez this is high frequency signals this is something that is satellite
58:13
frequencies and back in those days this is 19 this is 1980. uh
58:19
so i didn't know what it was and they couldn't really tell what it was so anyways
58:24
i made an appointment to go out and talk to paul and in the meantime i get this
58:31
uh five page uh teletype message come back
58:36
immediate immediate which is almost it's the next highest priority of a
58:43
message you can get from your headquarters okay uh which is classified in this clash top
58:48
secret and it's in this class right and it's the code is seven lambs
58:54
and i know then it's something big so i i read it and it's telling me what
58:59
to do and it's given me a plan an operations plan this is what you need to do you need to go out
and
59:06
talk to him and you get everything you know so i do exactly what i'm told to do
59:11
and i meet paul the next day paul is an open-minded open-armed persons as gentle as a lamb
59:20
uh just kind gave me everything i asked for uh
59:26
and i became i built up i built a very very good relationship with with with
59:32
paul benowitz so so you guys you trusted him and he trusted you yes
59:37
and and what i had to do according to plan was convince him
59:44
that did you tell him this is what you're
59:50
seeing or no no i just no i know i couldn't do that uh we have ways of
59:55
doing it i mean there's manuals there's hundreds of pages of manuals written
1:00:02
about how you do these things and we go through in school all sorts of exercises in counter-
intelligence school
1:00:08
so i said to him i said what do you think it is paul i don't know what it is he said the ufos they're
1:00:15
extraterrestrial crafts i said wow okay i said what do you think they're doing
1:00:20
he said they're they're they're tracking these airplanes are coming in he said in this one and he
says
1:00:27
this one aircraft this this 135 has complete control of that aircraft
1:00:34
because everywhere that drone goes the plane goes well it's the opposite yeah but so
1:00:40
so i just didn't say anything i just said wow okay yeah it probably is gt
1:00:45
so you kind of kind of let him believe what he was already inclined to believe um and by not
denying it that kind of
1:00:54
affirmed for him that that you that that's that's what it was um
1:01:00
so but it there's got to be i mean we know that you know paul benowitz had a very rough life
later on
1:01:07
and allegedly eventually committed suicide you know no he didn't commit suicide
1:01:13
allegedly according to certain circles right well i was there and i i said no he didn't commit
suicide so i
1:01:20
would have to i would have to argue with you what happened to him at the end because he he
uh he had a nerve he had a
1:01:26
number nervous breakdown now let me tell you about paul paul smoked five packs of cigarettes
a day
1:01:32
he probably drank two quarts of coca-cola and he probably drank seven cups of
1:01:39
coffee i'm cool with that and so uh
1:01:45
me too i mean uh but with the cokes uh that much caffeine
1:01:50
is not good for you right so he said this all his life and so uh he had a lot of health problems a lot
1:01:57
of health problems so it wasn't any psychological though he had a nervous
1:02:02
breakdown but it it had to do with something entire well not entirely different but
1:02:09
it would take me hours and hours to explain the whole thing but paul was influenced by a lot of
other people
1:02:16
not not just alan alan heineck number one alan heineck brought him
1:02:22
a uh computer monitor uh and
1:02:29
unbeknownst to us when we he elhang had nothing to do with us
1:02:34
and um there were other people that were that influenced him other people that
1:02:41
came in after the story came out and convinced paul
1:02:47
that there there was going to be an alien con invasion
1:02:52
now you're saying wait alan heineck jl well
1:02:57
alan heineck came in and gave him the monitor some of allen's friends
1:03:02
um [Music] and i'm not going to name him but they're friends of allen heimik heineck
1:03:09
and they're also within uh april uh leadership and they were they they were convinced
1:03:16
after listening to paul that what paul did was he just he just
1:03:22
wandered into this horrible situation where there's going to be invasion now
1:03:29
the signals that i talked about earlier paul tapped into a highly highly
1:03:35
classified project involving the nsa and this isn't classified anymore
1:03:43
we were able to in the 1980s we were able to shoot this laser up in the air
1:03:48
and blind soviet satellites as they were flying over so they couldn't take a picture now
1:03:54
we didn't have the only only laser facility other bases had area 51 had
1:04:00
other bases uh so he tapped into that now when he tapped into that
1:04:07
when we figured out the signals our technical people figured out what signals that he was
tapping into
1:04:13
i immediately went over to nsa the security officer out there and i said to him brad
1:04:21
i said you know here's what we got he said oh my god
1:04:27
is this guy in jail i said well whoa whoa whoa wait a minute what is this
1:04:33
and he said well i can't i can't brief you and i i don't have the authority to brief you into it at that
point i didn't know what it was
1:04:39
i knew it had to do with nsa because the frequencies as i was told by my experts
1:04:45
were satellite frequencies high gigahertz and so so paul misinterpreted
1:04:52
right uh so he thought it was alien the signals
1:04:58
so eventually i got briefed into the program and i found out what it was and i said oh my god
1:05:04
we can't let we can't let anyone know what this is well that's that yeah that's a big
1:05:09
question rick i just have to inject here so i mean
1:05:15
did they need to tell you uh and show you about aliens that they need to show you this film in
order for
1:05:21
you to do your job and um you know kind of mislead or or allow paul to be to mislead himself
1:05:29
could could you have done that without them sharing you know the biggest secret of all time
1:05:36
oh i'm sure i could have but i wouldn't have probably been uh as convinced uh
1:05:42
and there were others that had been now the technical people hadn't been briefed in
1:05:48
and they you know they were making fun of the ufo thing until they got briefed in so no i
probably couldn't
1:05:56
i don't i don't i've never analyzed that part of it but uh there was a reason for them doing it
1:06:03
they're at that at that time in 1980 there was 122 osi agents around the world that had the
1:06:11
same briefing that i did was doing the same thing i was doing okay so i'm not the only one doing
it and as if you've
1:06:17
gone to ufo conventions and look in the past many others have come out and said yeah yeah
i've done the same thing and
1:06:22
dodie did not and maybe is the same type of operations but yeah yeah so so yeah i
1:06:29
think i think i could have done it but i could have completed my my uh my work
1:06:34
uh my duties but i think it helped assisted me into really really getting into and
1:06:40
asking the right questions uh with that with that briefing how do you how do you how do you
deal with that
1:06:48
emotionally or maybe better gets well yeah emotionally because
1:06:53
i understand you know you're working for the government and you're you're doing your job and
you're following orders um like many people throughout history
1:06:59
have done but then sometimes we look back and we question the decisions made by our
1:07:05
politicians or by the military or or our higher-ups do you ever regret doing
1:07:11
and following those those orders absolutely i've i've had
1:07:18
um epiphanies i've had uh yeah
1:07:24
i thought about this over and over and over again over the years yeah um
1:07:29
at the time i was doing it i did i was doing my job i was doing what i was told to do
1:07:34
uh i did exactly what i told it was told to do with some leniency and in my
1:07:40
operational planning everything the government does is by a plan
1:07:45
now anybody's ever been in the military knows that you're not you're not going to do anything
without a plan especially
1:07:52
something as highly technical and highly classified disease this is so the plan's coming down
from
1:07:58
headquarters i don't make these plans up i don't make things up as i go but i have a right i have
the
1:08:05
opportunity to interject some some operational planning into this
1:08:11
operation uh i will you know i'll read the plan i'll say you know what it's easier because i'm down
1:08:18
here and they're up there in washington i might say it's easier to do it this way rather than go on
one two three
1:08:24
let's go 9 10 11 you know and let's do it that way and and most of the time
1:08:30
they'll say yeah okay you can do it that way most of the time uh
1:08:35
on this operation i had to do it by the letter of the of the plan
1:08:43
uh every time i tried to interject something uh he they would say
1:08:48
absolutely not we're not going to do that because it could get out um you get too many
1:08:55
people involved uh and so i so it's okay
1:09:01
and now there are it reminds me of lou elizondo too you know a lot of people um they look at
like you said there's other
1:09:07
people who've worked in the government um and they don't trust
1:09:13
uh lou because they say well he's maybe doing some sort of disinformation and and what have
you um
1:09:20
you know how how do you with your experience um know to trust when another person
1:09:28
comes out in in the world of ufology and says hey i worked for the government i did x y and z
how does rick doty
1:09:35
step back and look at that person and make a decision whether you trust that informant or
1:09:42
everyone that had access to this program knows uh
1:09:49
when i say keywords they'll know what the keywords are oh okay
1:09:55
if i if somebody said and i've found so many you're listening for keywords too then
1:10:00
well i'll ask him if somebody comes up to me for instance at a ufo convention that says you
know i was i was a
1:10:07
i was in this program with the united states army and i did this and this and this and this and i'll
say okay
1:10:15
what's the key word what's the key word for your operation and
1:10:21
if he doesn't know it then that means that he's a he's shooting bull uh so that's
1:10:27
to say that you have key words plural yeah there's there's many in your mind
1:10:33
because it's it's compartmented i didn't know everything yeah there's no way any
1:10:39
well the ones that i worked with and at kirtland there were six of us uh we
1:10:45
didn't know it all in fact i didn't know anything about alien abductions
1:10:50
for a couple years after i was dealing with him okay when when you just dropped the bomb
there rick
1:10:56
wait you you believe in alien abductions are a real phenomena as well
1:11:01
yeah i didn't at first i mean i i i've heard him i had in the in the uh uh paul benowitz case
1:11:10
yeah we had myrna hansen uh brought to us by uh leo sprinkle and
1:11:18
and she supposedly it was abducted and all these things happen well
1:11:24
if you listen to what she said now this lady is a was a 27 year old mother a single mother
1:11:32
uh 11th grade education um [Music]
1:11:38
couldn't pick out mars or anything regarding
1:11:43
the the the space or the universe she she didn't know anything about flight
1:11:50
but she told us things that she was abducted and she told us things about a particular place that
she was
1:11:57
taken to that's going to blow your mind but and she described
1:12:03
that bunker where the sandia security guard saw that ufo landed she described the interior of
1:12:10
that okay she did she described bolts
1:12:16
the ladder now she'd never been out there she had nothing to do with the military had no
1:12:22
boyfriends no contacts in the military but she said she was abducted and taken
1:12:28
to this location now she didn't know where this was she didn't know what's on kirtland but after
listening to her
1:12:34
and and having a uh a psychiatrist uh examiner
1:12:41
and tell us that she's telling the truth and then taking a polygraph examination
1:12:47
and we do uh the most advanced polygraph
1:12:52
back in in those days even now we do uh the the intelligence community that doesn't that really
will weed out
1:12:58
whether you're lying or not and she passed everything how do you feel about um leo sprinkle
and and his technique and
1:13:06
was he was he reliable was he unbiased leo was absolutely convinced that she
1:13:14
was abducted and she went to this location and these things happened to her she saw
1:13:19
these vats of humans uh and and aliens together
1:13:24
uh she saw uh infants in these smaller vats
1:13:30
yeah she leo was convinced after listening to her listening to the
1:13:35
experts say there's something to what she's saying um i was a believer but at the time i
1:13:42
hadn't been briefed into it okay so that that's that's really important to hear so your belief in all of
this is not just
1:13:49
from the film that was shown to you you heard statements that
1:13:56
could could not otherwise be corroborated or confirmed other than that person having been on
that base um were there
1:14:04
any other examples where you you heard something and you said to yourself there's no way
they could
1:14:10
possibly know this unless this was this actually happened to them well what i did was
1:14:15
when she explained this i knew where this place was i didn't tell her that i didn't tell anybody in
1:14:21
that room so i immediately now this bunker
1:14:26
was an experimental storage structure for nuclear weapons and how it worked is
1:14:32
you'd put you'd open the doors put the nuclear weapon on a platform and it would go down 60
feet underground okay
1:14:39
and then it would be a cover over it so if terrorists broke into there they couldn't find a weapon
uh i went out there and looked i took
1:14:46
pictures i looked at what she was explaining the ladder
1:14:51
the the bolts everything she described was perfect when i went down
1:14:58
now there wasn't any nuclear weapon in there but i went down the ladder of the platform as an
elevator
1:15:03
she told me there was a big hatch if you open the hatch up on the bottom
1:15:09
that's where the the the aliens had the the the uh containers
1:15:14
so i looked over and i see this hatch and you know i i went through a lot
1:15:20
nothing much scares me but i was really apprehensive about opening the hatch
1:15:25
i thought wow you know we carry guns you know we were federal agents i the guy that was
taking me down there
1:15:31
was the chief of security for sandia and he'd been a marine corps hero in vietnam and uh
1:15:38
and he and i looked at him i said let's open it and he said you sure you want to open it
1:15:45
i said yeah i i said what is that for and he says it's an escape hatch if somebody's caught down
and they open
1:15:51
it and wow so we opened it up but there wasn't any bats in there it was
1:15:57
just a crawl space where you could crawl the 60 feet back up to the top side
1:16:03
so i thought well that doesn't fit her story but maybe
1:16:08
somehow it did and i don't i don't i just didn't understand it but uh now
1:16:15
a few days later maybe maybe four or five days later two men coming to the osi office you
1:16:22
know the wolf's office is very secure the the security uh uh our guard up
1:16:28
front said uh called me and said uh uh mr doty there's two people here to see
1:16:33
you and they have the red clearances right clearances are meaning they can come in they have
clearances and there's
1:16:40
ways of verifying it so i go out there and i say yeah and gentlemen and they show me dia
credentials defense
1:16:46
intelligence agency credentials they said yeah i said come on in what do you guys need doctor
he said we we need
1:16:52
we're here to talk about myrna hansen case the abduction case i said
1:16:58
where are you guys from what what branch are you out of he said
1:17:03
we're on the we're on an abduction desk i said you what
1:17:09
he says we investigate abductions i said you mean they're real
1:17:15
now dia has a desk that investigates abductions so what do
1:17:20
you think well i i'm convinced they're real and later on uh
1:17:26
out of another incident an app and i was briefed that yes there was a abduction
1:17:32
phenomena but that briefing wasn't as thorough as the first briefing so okay so when you there
1:17:37
isn't it literally a a separate investigatory person or committee uh
1:17:44
that focuses on abductions specifically
1:17:50
yeah there's a there's a uh group uh a bureau within dia
1:17:58
i don't know how many uh field investigators they don't call their self-agents they're field
investigators
1:18:04
uh i don't know how many field investigators they had but they they do they investigate
legitimate
1:18:10
uh abduction cases or they they investigate the cases and and then i don't know what they do
1:18:17
with the information because i never get it back well that begs the question then is that also is
there one for cattle
1:18:22
mutilation is there one for um you know ce5s you know is there a limit are there how many
1:18:29
segments are there well that's would be compartmented i guess because i only knew of the
1:18:35
abductions i didn't know anything about i mean i we i had contact with um
1:18:41
or i had uh to investigate
1:18:47
i i should say and investigate i had access to some cattle mutilations
1:18:53
uh i didn't investigate them but there were
1:18:58
agents within my office that did that and so like you said yeah they they just
1:19:06
were they just had uh because we didn't know what the academy relations were i don't think
1:19:12
anybody at that time knew but they had a special training in how
1:19:17
to examine the animal and so forth which i didn't have okay so does that mean
1:19:24
we're not going to get the answers we want through the freedom of information act
1:19:29
is there is there a way that they can avoid the release of documents to
1:19:35
confirm this agency or this group's um investig investigation into the
1:19:41
phenomena if the government doesn't want you to know they're not going to tell you and
1:19:47
there's countless cases of um
1:19:53
where i had uh people we have every office has a foia monitor
1:20:00
it's like an additional duty and in our office it was the person that handled
1:20:06
uh fraud investigations for the air force now actually it was a different it was in the osi but it was
in a
1:20:13
different because we were in the intelligence area and she and she was in another one anyways
she would come to us
1:20:18
with a foia request and say can you answer anything on this for your
1:20:23
request and all i had to say was no nope that that was a freezing i fill out
1:20:29
and i give it back to her is that illegal though no it isn't it's absolutely not
1:20:35
no there was it and and title five united states code which deals with the foia created in 1974
had
1:20:43
a number of exceptions and what happened was each agency of the
1:20:49
government was allowed to create additional exceptions there's a there's
1:20:54
a paragraph in in foia that allows other agencies uh to exempt
1:21:01
certain things now it doesn't say how to exempt them it doesn't say you have to tell them
1:21:07
this is exempted now most do but uh other agencies just
1:21:12
right write their own plan saying or their amendment
1:21:18
uh to to for you saying uh no just say no
1:21:24
so that when we say that we're not talking about just redaction we're talking about complete
denial or or
1:21:31
withheld holding information altogether well uh or uh
1:21:37
what they'll do is they'll redact the entire document okay so this leads us into a question
1:21:43
rick i'm going to try to get these in because we're time is running short um so this is from razor
revolution one um
1:21:50
why does rick think the u.s government would keep this information re biological entities not of
this earth
1:21:56
hidden from the world the world should know we're not alone
1:22:02
if it was up to me i tell everybody but it's not up to me powers to be in in some place decided
1:22:10
that the the general public wasn't ready for it and there's a lot of reasons for it i i
1:22:15
guess if you if you told somebody hey you know two thousand years ago uh jesus
1:22:20
was placed here and really jesus was a spaceman from zeta reticuli well what would that do to
1:22:26
religion i mean there's a lot of repercussions i understand that i do i do think that's
1:22:31
an antiquated um philosophy i think it made sense decades ago but i think that i think now
1:22:38
i think we're very primed and ready there's always going to be someone who who can't handle it
there's going to be
1:22:44
someone who can't handle a pandemic or what have you and you know i've been hearing this
argument for so many years but my gosh
1:22:51
rick like the world we live in today that we're constantly the world is going to end you know
depending on what
1:22:57
station you tune into the end is nigh um you know blame the libs blame the conservatives you
know
1:23:03
whatever it is um and we've been through a lot as a country collectively through tragedy um
1:23:09
through hardship and you know very real and i i don't think that this is me speaking right i don't
think
1:23:15
that it would be a problem if they were to release that information well i i feel the exact same
way you do
1:23:22
and i'm talking about it right here it says others has robert dean uh
1:23:28
wendell stevens i can go on and on and on jeff blake uh tommy i mean there
1:23:33
there are many people over the years in 1992
1:23:39
uh a retired osi gave a lecture robbins was his name he could since passed away
1:23:45
about the same thing i'm talking about nobody believed him so you know people say nah that
that's
1:23:50
that's no i don't believe that yeah so here here's a great question from ufot um is
1:23:56
foia ever actually a dis info outlet as well is
1:24:02
i i don't know i don't know i don't i don't think so uh okay no well
1:24:10
be careful what you ask for if you ask for something don't give anybody any ideas yeah exactly
if you
1:24:16
ask for something they may give you something that is
1:24:21
uh pertains to that question that you asking but maybe something entirely
1:24:27
different and it will throw you off no that was a great great question ufot thank you um and i have
a question from
1:24:32
android purity is this the first time that you've you've talked about the alien abduction
department before
1:24:39
no i've talked about that for years okay and so back to 2006 ufo convention of
1:24:45
2000 and i i've talked about it why why you know why have you talked about this why why did
you decide you
1:24:52
you did your job right um why come out into the community now or
1:24:57
then and and continually talk about this subject where where are you coming from
1:25:03
well i'm trying to bring the truth out um but there's people out there that are
1:25:09
saying well if dodie says it it's disinformation which is you know that's archaic but you know you
can go
1:25:15
back to it you can understand well no i can't anymore i can't because it's i
1:25:20
i've i've explained it over and over and over again for many
1:25:26
many many years i mean i had two websites i had some fantastic information on the
1:25:31
websites and unfortunately both of them were hacked by people who you know didn't like me
and and i thought we know
1:25:38
i'm going to give up on that but uh i've told the story i provided the information
1:25:44
uh if they want to believe that you can if they don't want to believe me i don't know i got to tell
you like i'm i'm laughing
1:25:49
because you know as time goes on you do kind of end with podcasting as well um
1:25:55
people do decide to uh create a narrative for you um and they're gonna do that no matter
1:26:01
what right you should see some of the emails i get oh i can't imagine um
1:26:06
so you know most of them are most of them are really really legitimate and even the negative
ones
1:26:13
i'll try to answer unless they are profanity laced and so forth and i you know i won't but
1:26:18
uh right okay so i'm going to ask you this question before we go rick from genghis
1:26:24
khan um did rick mention if they had any interest in particular rare earth
1:26:29
minerals um we're talking about the extraterrestrials uh or having a primary
1:26:34
agenda for being here other than interacting with humans the only thing that i know
1:26:40
that the uh that the et's wanted now i'm i'm generalizing it because
1:26:47
there are other races that we've had dealt with uh is they seem to be interested in uh
1:26:55
uranium and lithium back uh when i was in
1:27:00
lithium was something new that we were uh earthing uh in nevada mostly in nevada and in
africa uh
1:27:08
so they were interested in those two uh but i'm sure others but i didn't know
1:27:13
of any others except for those okay my last question for you tonight rick bob lazar
1:27:19
is his story legitimate i wasn't there
1:27:24
i was a you know we know i mean my critics can even even phil class figured this out that i
1:27:31
was in fact area 51 i was a consultant officer out there
1:27:36
i had access to everything that was going on out there with exception of some things and one of
the things that i
1:27:42
didn't have access to was s4 now the only thing that that but lazar is saying
1:27:48
that is not factual is he's saying the s4 complex okay s4 was the fourth
1:27:54
level under the s2 complex the s2 was the administrative control center for
1:28:00
everything underground as three as four that's five bob lazar worked at s4 he had to go
1:28:07
through s2 to get to s4 so i was s2 but i've never been at s4
1:28:15
so that's the only anomaly that bob lazar talks about and i've talked to him
1:28:20
about this and i think there's just the fact that uh he's talking about s4
1:28:26
is in within nastu complex so so that's and and i i've talked to a guy by the
1:28:31
name of gene lakes who was a security uh manager for for that area and he had he
1:28:37
confirmed that he did work out there i don't know how long he did but he wasn't there when i
was there is it possible to have been
1:28:43
chaperoned in such a way that he he would not have been privy to that
1:28:49
no because he the only entrance then now it's all underground from area 51 you
1:28:54
only have to drive up that boost anymore there's there's a road 16 or 18 mile road uh
underground a tunnel uh
1:29:02
no he would have to go on out there he'd have to go through two security checkpoints two air
force security
1:29:08
checkpoints and then he'd he'd have to go through the main entrance uh if he's driving
1:29:15
uh the vehicles would be uh the the hose would be hooked up the
1:29:20
vehicle would be parked if it was electric because they had in interior they had electric vehicles
and then you
1:29:25
had to go to the elevator and go down s4 so no he had to have gone through s2 to
1:29:31
get that s4 okay rick yes or no answer is there life after death
1:29:37
wouldn't happen yet do you have no idea okay i hope so do you have any events
1:29:43
coming up uh yes many many many many many uh i have uh we we're making i've i'm
1:29:50
in the process of uh being involved in two movies uh we had to stop and because of colvin so
look for two movies coming
1:29:57
out probably next year pertaining to ufos one is a good science fiction movie excellent filmed out
area 51. we
1:30:03
actually we're allowed to film inside and uh and another one is a documentary and
1:30:09
then i i'm going to be in england on june uh 20th through the 27th for
1:30:14
chariot of the gods uh and i have other other engagements okay rick if you could leave us with
one
1:30:21
thought before we go what would it be uh not all
1:30:27
the ut races of visiting earth are friendly and reagan knew about this
1:30:34
okay we will leave it right there rick thank you so much for joining me tonight you're very very
welcome alan you have a
1:30:40
great evening okay i appreciate it and thank you uh all for joining us tonight even with the
delayed start um hopefully
1:30:47
i will see you all this saturday night at 9pm for the premiere of the half-life documentary right
here on this channel
1:30:54
all right peace and love to everyone out there and as always live in the mystery
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