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13.4. Schipper, E. W. (1965) - Souls, Forms, and False Statements in The Sophist - The Philosophical Quarterly, 15 (60) Pp. 240-242
13.4. Schipper, E. W. (1965) - Souls, Forms, and False Statements in The Sophist - The Philosophical Quarterly, 15 (60) Pp. 240-242
13.4. Schipper, E. W. (1965) - Souls, Forms, and False Statements in The Sophist - The Philosophical Quarterly, 15 (60) Pp. 240-242
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DISCUSSIONS
tetus, which is neither sitting nor flying. Theaetetus, as what the statements
are about, is the apparent, perceived, and heard "answerer ", whom the
Stranger is questioning. It is true that his discriminating responses pre-
suppose a very intelligent soul. But, in the context, he figures as an appear-
ance to be described, an example of "an action or inaction or nature of
what is or is not ", or of any " existing thing in generation " which logos
is about (262c3).
It might be countered in defence of Mr. Turnbull's position that these
actions and existing things are "immanent characters " existing in souls,
which are the ultimate referents. Yet this defence would not seem to me
to do. For, since a soul for Plato always contains nous, not all of the gener-
ated things of experience could have souls, or even share in the rational
world-soul of the Timaeus. Moreover, Plato rejects a view that " all things
think " as "having no 76yov " (Parmenides 132c). Hence, he would not
consider that all the experienced things and actions of the world inhere
in souls.
A second question concerns Mr. Turnbull's claim, based on Phaedo 74-5,
that souls, though they do not participate in forms, "aspire to " them.4
Yet, in the Phaedo passage, Plato is explaining how, not souls, but sensed
things, illustrated by his favourite "sticks and stones ", "aim at " the
ideal standards not given in sensation of them. The apparently equal stick
"aims " (poAE-rTal) to be like something else (olov aA&oTi) of which it is
an approximation (74d-e). This "aiming at" is later replaced by the
language of " participating " in forms. And, as Mr. Turnbull says, souls do
not participate in forms.
Rather, the many things of experience, sensed, and in generation, are
what are related to forms by an enigmatic "participation ". They are
often (Parm. 129d, Theaet. 156e, Soph. 346a) illustrated by "sticks and
stones ". Their relation to the forms, a relation which Socrates confesses
not to understand (Phaedo lOOd),is a problem left unsolved in the earlier
dialogues. This problem of the relation of sensed things to forms is dealt
with most explicitly, though fragmentarily, in the Sophist's treatment of
true and false logos and how it can apply to sensed and changing things
and events.
The last question I should like to raise concerns the status of belief
(Plato's 866a) and its objects. Mr. Turnbull distinguishes belief, the thought
(Si&voia)which is an inner and silent logos, from knowledge. Belief not
only may be false, but is not ' apprehension of forms '; whereas knowledge
is of the forms and is infallible. Rather, belief, which may arise from per-
ception, is about actions or " immanent characters ", which may be directly
perceived.5 Hence, certain characters other than forms may be perceived
as the referents of logos and doxa. Nevertheless, false logos (or doxa), ascribes
to an actor a possible action which is different from the truly ascribable
action, though that possible action can be different only by virtue of par-
40p. cit., p. 24.
60p. cit., p. 25.