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Contents
1 Introduction .................................................................................................................................................. 4
1.1 Revit Warnings ...................................................................................................................................... 4
2 General Warnings ......................................................................................................................................... 5
2.1 Revit Warnings Summary (General) ...................................................................................................... 5
3 Cross Discipline Warnings .......................................................................................................................... 6
3.1 General Warnings .................................................................................................................................. 6
3.1.1 There are identical instances in the same place................................................................................ 6
3.1.2 Line in Sketch is slightly off axis and may cause inaccuracies .......................................................... 6
3.1.3 Ref Plane is slightly off axis and may cause inaccuracies. ................................................................ 6
3.1.4 Design Option 'Main Model ' cannot reference Design Option ' XXXX : XXXX '. ............................... 6
3.1.5 The blend is too thin. ......................................................................................................................... 6
3.1.6 Highlighted lines overlap. Lines may not form closed loops. ............................................................. 7
3.1.7 One element is completely inside another. ........................................................................................ 7
3.1.8 This array contains multiple copies of some identical geometry. ....................................................... 7
3.2 Rooms and Area's ................................................................................................................................. 7
3.2.1 Area is not in a properly enclosed region. ......................................................................................... 7
3.2.2 Room is not in a properly enclosed region. ....................................................................................... 7
3.2.3 Multiple Rooms are in the same enclosed region. ............................................................................. 7
3.2.4 Room Tag is outside of its Room. Enable Leader or move Room Tag within its Room. ................... 7
3.3 Annotation Warnings ............................................................................................................................. 7
3.3.1 Elements have duplicate 'Mark' values .............................................................................................. 7
3.3.2 Elements have duplicate 'Number' values. ........................................................................................ 8
3.3.3 Elements have duplicate 'Type Mark' values. .................................................................................... 8
3.3.4 Link 'XXXXX' and the current file use different keynote tables. ......................................................... 8
3.3.5 An elevation symbol references views on more than one sheet. ....................................................... 8
3.4 Join Errors ............................................................................................................................................. 9
3.4.1 Highlighted elements are joined but do not intersect. ........................................................................ 9
3.4.2 Two elements were not automatically joined because one or both is not editable. ........................... 9
3.5 Mass Errors ........................................................................................................................................... 9
3.5.1 Mass contains no solid geometry. Mass Floors, volume, and surface area, won't be computed. ...... 9
3.5.2 Mass contains only mesh geometry, which can't be used to compute Mass Floors, volume, or
surface area. .................................................................................................................................................. 10
3.5.3 This Mass has no solid geometry for its Void Forms to cut. ............................................................ 10
3.5.4 The geometry in this Mass instance is too complex. ....................................................................... 10
4 Architectural Warnings .................................................................................... Error! Bookmark not defined.
4.1 Revit Warnings Summary (Architectural) ............................................................................................. 10
5 Architectural Warnings .............................................................................................................................. 11
5.1 Wall Warnings ..................................................................................................................................... 11
5.1.1 Highlighted walls overlap. ................................................................................................................ 11
5.1.2 Conditions for wall embedding are no longer satisfied. ................................................................... 11
5.1.3 Highlighted walls are attached to, but miss, the highlighted targets ................................................ 11
5.1.4 Highlighted elements are joined but do not intersect. ...................................................................... 12
5.1.5 Curtain grid lines must have at least one segment. ......................................................................... 12
5.1.6 Insert conflicts with joined Wall........................................................................................................ 12
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5.1.7 Thickness of this Floor may be slightly inaccurate due to extreme Shape Editing. ......................... 13
5.2 Columns .............................................................................................................................................. 13
5.2.1 The highlighted column can't maintain attachment to the target. It will be treated as unattached until
it can intersect. ............................................................................................................................................... 13
5.3 Stairs and railings ................................................................................................................................ 13
5.3.1 Top reference is below Bottom reference for one or more Balusters. These Balusters are not
created. 13
5.3.2 Notching applied, but no cut was made. Adjust Notching Distance or Extension parameters. ........ 14
5.3.3 A notch join can only be used when the run end tread is coplanar with the landing tread............... 15
5.3.4 The slope of this railing may not parallel the stairs at runs and landings. To get a parallel railing,
split the railing sketch at the ends of landings. ............................................................................................... 15
5.3.5 The rail is not continuous. Breaks in the rail usually occur at sharply-angled transitions. To fix the
problem, try: ................................................................................................................................................... 16
5.3.6 The Actual Riser Height of stair is greater than the Maximum Riser Height specified in the stair
type. 18
5.3.7 Stair bottom end exceeds or cannot reach the base elevation of the stair. Add/remove risers at the
bottom end by control or change the stair run's 'Relative Base Height' parameter in the properties palette. . 19
5.3.8 Stair top end exceeds or cannot reach the top elevation of the stair. .............................................. 20
5.3.9 Stair components are not continuously connected. ......................................................................... 20
5.3.10 The multi-storey stair/ramp could not reach its top level with integral number of flights. ............. 21
5.3.11 Landing depth is less than run width. .......................................................................................... 22
6 MEP Warnings .................................................................................................. Error! Bookmark not defined.
6.1 Revit Warnings Summary (MEP) ......................................................................................................... 22
7 MEP Warnings ............................................................................................................................................ 23
System Warnings ..................................................................................................................................... 23
7.1.1 No loss defined................................................................................................................................ 23
7.1.2 {System name} is not "Well Connected". ......................................................................................... 23
7.1.3 It is not possible to calculate the flow since the flow directions mismatch. ...................................... 23
7.1.4 The default system "…" is now over 50 elements. .......................................................................... 23
7.1.5 Elements in XXX are not connected in a single physical network due to one or both of the following.
24
7.1.6 The flex duct length of {length} exceeds the maximum specified length of {max length}................. 24
7.2 Spaces................................................................................................................................................. 24
7.2.1 Space volume can't be computed. .................................................................................................. 24
7.2.2 Space is not in a properly enclosed region ...................................................................................... 24
8 Structural Warnings ......................................................................................... Error! Bookmark not defined.
8.1 Revit Warnings Summary (Structural) ................................................................................................. 25
9 Structural Warnings ................................................................................................................................... 25
9.1.1 Beam or Brace is slightly off axis and may cause inaccuracies....................................................... 25
9.1.2 Join failure caused by editability or design option related problem. ................................................ 25
9.1.3 Opening partially cuts its host. ........................................................................................................ 25
9.1.4 Some columns in Graphical Column Schedule exceed the segment's upper/lower bounds. .......... 26
9.2 Analytical Model Warnings .................................................................................................................. 26
9.2.1 Analytical Top Projection Plane is partially or completely below Analytical Bottom Projection Plane.
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10 Performance Advisor Warnings ........................................................................................................... 27
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1 Introduction
1.1 Revit Warnings
Warnings/Errors within the Revit project place a considerable burden on the project, affecting the model
performance and potentially invalidating or even prohibiting another BIM use to take place. An excessive
Warnings list can indicate an "unhealthy" model not only impacting performance, but also a key indicator as to
what is, or is not, good model authoring practice.
Therefore, periodic review of the project warnings becomes a key component of the model authoring process, not
only for maintaining the project performance but also in respect of assessing the project model content (families)
and the current model development authoring skills. If this review is carried out regularly, the resolution of
problems is likely to be more efficient with issues will picked up in a timely manner. The ability to extract a
Warnings report to a separate file provides a convenient way of reviewing the current warnings in order to
determine the best solutions for the issues raised. The list of warnings can be generated from the Manage ribbon
using the Warnings tool.
The warnings tool will list out all warnings that are contained within the project file. This list may be expanded, to
indicate the elements and their unique element IDs which are causing the problem. The list may also be exported
to a .HTML file format for further review or analysis against previous reports.
Each warning carries a degree of severity for the project. These severities are not listed within the warnings
report. Many warnings such as 'duplicate Mark values' are relatively minor warnings and although these warnings
may have an impact on element identification they have a relatively low impact on the majority of BIM
deliverables. Warnings such as 'Identical instances in the same place' are serious warnings, which will invalidate
many BIM uses, such as 3D coordination and quantity take-off. Others, such as flow warnings, may be
considered of a medium impact in respect of a deliverable, unless system analysis is a requirement of the project
model. However, these warnings will impact the model performance as Revit analyzes the system construction.
Key Considerations
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• Where practically possible, models should be free from warnings. In the majority of cases, a warning-
free model is not a practical reality. The severity of the warning should be reviewed and a priority set for
resolution, to avoid detrimentally impacting the project. For example, warning errors in respect of MEP
flow direction, or calculation, will not only impact performance but also negate or restrict any analysis
and calculations that are to be carried out in the project.
• Some warnings, such as duplicate marks, can cause mistakes in other BIM uses, such as Facilities
Management, where the mark value is being used as an asset tag.
• Consider setting up a process to address by whom and how warnings are to be removed and rectified.
Recommendations
• Periodically, review the status and number of warnings being generated when modelling to maintain
performance and also to potentially highlight any issues with content.
• A BIM Manager or BIM Coordinator should regularly review the warnings. This is to ensure that
warnings get addressed and provides some insight as to whether any additional training may be
required for the project teams.
• Consider implementing a review schedule for warnings, i.e. on a weekly or monthly basis. Initially these
reviews may need to be scheduled on a more frequent basis, even potentially daily. As modelling
experience develops, and potentially issues with family content are resolved, the frequency of these
reviews could be reduced.
• Resolve high impact issues first, in other words, those that may disrupt or limit any other
processes, such as Flow warnings.
Further References
2 General Warnings
2.1 Revit Warnings Summary (General)
• Cross Discipline Warnings
o General Warnings
▪ There are identical instances in the same place.
▪ Line in Sketch is slightly off axis and may cause inaccuracies
▪ Ref Plane is slightly off axis and may cause inaccuracies.
▪ Design Option 'Main Model ' cannot reference Design Option ' XXXX : XXXX '.
▪ The blend is too thin.
▪ Highlighted lines overlap. Lines may not form closed loops.
▪ One element is completely inside another.
▪ This array contains multiple copies of some identical geometry.
o Rooms and Area's
▪ Area is not in a properly enclosed region.
▪ Room is not in a properly enclosed region.
▪ Multiple Rooms are in the same enclosed region.
▪ Room Tag is outside of its Room. Enable Leader or move Room Tag within its Room.
o Annotation Warnings
▪ Elements have duplicate 'Mark' values
▪ Elements have duplicate 'Number' values.
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▪ Elements have duplicate 'Type Mark' values.
▪ Link 'XXXXX' and the current file use different keynote tables.
▪ An elevation symbol references views on more than one sheet.
o Join Errors
▪ Highlighted elements are joined but do not intersect.
▪ Two elements were not automatically joined because one or both is not editable.
o Mass Errors
▪ Mass contains no solid geometry. Mass Floors, volume, and surface area, won't be
computed.
▪ Mass contains only mesh geometry, which can't be used to compute Mass Floors,
volume, or surface area.
▪ This Mass has no solid geometry for its Void Forms to cut.
▪ The geometry in this Mass instance is too complex.
3.1.2 Line in Sketch is slightly off axis and may cause inaccuracies
Severity: Major warning
Typically caused tracing over AutoCAD/Microstation drawings with odd angles or drawing in non-orthogonal
views. This can also be a result of importing analytical structural models from other programs such as CSI's
ETABS. There is a chance that they can alter your dimensions slightly on larger systems. The best advice is to
stay away from behaviour that causes inaccuracies. Fixing them typically requires individual adjustments, which
can be very tedious. Usually dragging them by the end handle to an unconnected or referenced location will set
this to an orthogonal axis. Afterwards, trim them or drag them back.
3.1.3 Ref Plane is slightly off axis and may cause inaccuracies.
Severity: Major warning
See above! All the warnings about something being slightly off axis is about object being rotated away from the
orthogonal axis. The values at which this typically occurs is between 0 and 0.5 degrees.
3.1.4 Design Option 'Main Model ' cannot reference Design Option ' XXXX : XXXX '.
Severity: Medium warning
An element in a design option is trying to attach to an element or reference and element in the main model. Use
Show to find the element, make the design option editable. Detach or redraw the element in the design option.
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3.1.6 Highlighted lines overlap. Lines may not form closed loops.
Severity: Major warning
Sketches need closed loops, and don't allow the user to finish without a closed system. However, through the
course of the changes in the file these sketches can stretch causing the element to fail, by disconnecting the join
(change of angle, or by getting a 0' distance). The best way to find these lines are to locate the object that they
form (floor, roof, edited profile wall, ceiling, mass, stair, etc.) and edit the sketch.
3.2.4 Room Tag is outside of its Room. Enable Leader or move Room Tag within its
Room.
Severity: Minor warning
This happens when either moving rooms or adjusting the boundaries of the room. Move them manually or let
Revit do it.
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3.3.2 Elements have duplicate 'Number' values.
Severity: Minor warning
Will affect documents because of what the tag or schedule reads. You may need to adjust which parameters you
are using for the tags and schedules. For example, if you want all doors of the same type to display a type tag,
then a new parameter would need to be used in the tag family rather than giving these doors the same number.
3.3.4 Link 'XXXXX' and the current file use different keynote tables.
Keynote values from the linked file will not be displayed.
Severity: Medium warning
Adjust either one of the files to use the correct file. Be aware that the path to the file must match exactly. No keynote
value is assigned to the keynoted element in the linked file 'XXXXX'. Open the linked file to assign a keynote value to
the element.
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symbol generates two views but when these are placed on separate views it can no show both sheet names.
3.4.2 Two elements were not automatically joined because one or both is not
editable.
Severity: Minor warning
Work set related message usually triggered by wall joins where one wall is owned by another user. This typically
resolves itself, however if the users continue to control the work sets and do not borrow, they can stay disjoined.
Set this work sets to public and edit both items together.
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3.5.2 Mass contains only mesh geometry, which can't be used to compute Mass
Floors, volume, or surface area.
Severity: Minor warning
This typically happens when you are creating a mass and you have drawn profiles but you have not turned any of
these profiles into mass but you do have at least one mesh. If you finish editing the Mass you will get this warning.
3.5.3 This Mass has no solid geometry for its Void Forms to cut.
They must be deleted, or solid geometry added and cut.
Severity: Minor warning
Find the void delete it or make it cut what it's supposed to cut. Use the cut tool on the modify tab, geometry
panel.
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▪ Top reference is below Bottom reference for one or more Balusters. These Balusters
are not created.
▪ Notching applied, but no cut was made. Adjust Notching Distance or Extension
parameters.
▪ A notch join can only be used when the run end tread is coplanar with the landing
tread.
▪ The slope of this railing may not parallel the stairs at runs and landings. To get a
parallel railing, split the railing sketch at the ends of landings.
▪ The rail is not continuous. Breaks in the rail usually occur at sharply-angled
transitions. To fix the problem, try:
▪ The Actual Riser Height of stair is greater than the Maximum Riser Height specified in
the stair type.
▪ Stair bottom end exceeds or cannot reach the base elevation of the stair. Add/remove
risers at the bottom end by control or change the stair run's 'Relative Base Height'
parameter in the properties palette.
▪ Stair top end exceeds or cannot reach the top elevation of the stair.
▪ Stair components are not continuously connected.
▪ The multi-storey stair/ramp could not reach its top level with integral number of flights.
▪ Landing depth is less than run width.
5 Architectural Warnings
5.1 Wall Warnings
5.1.1 Highlighted walls overlap.
Severity: Critical warning
Colour fills, room tags and room areas may not behave correctly. Use Cut Geometry to embed one wall within the
other. Some of these are minor overlaps; others are walls totally enclosing other walls. The best method for
cleaning these is by isolating both walls in a 3D view using the Hide/Isolate Tool and adjusting the overlap by
deleting a wall, moving either or both positions (horizontally or vertically), joining geometry (not always
recommended for better performance), attaching one to the other (not always recommended for better
performance), or editing the profile of either or both walls. In 2008, you'll need to copy the number sequence from
the Review Warnings Dialog into Notepad or equivalent or manually to paste back into the Select by Id tool. In
2009, you can copy and paste ID numbers from an exported Revit Error Report. An alternative message says: or
tab-select one of the grouped overlapping walls and excludes it from the group instance. For this using the
exclusion would remove the wall from that one group instance, but not the group as a project entity.
5.1.3 Highlighted walls are attached to, but miss, the highlighted targets
Severity: Medium warning
This tends to happen when at first the wall is attached to a floor but due to later edits they do not meet any more.
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The floor is not above the wall but stops to the side of it. We see more and more companies advising their
modellers not to use the attach function.
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5.1.7 Thickness of this Floor may be slightly inaccurate due to extreme Shape
Editing.
Severity: Medium warning
Dimensions to this element in sections and details may not accurately indicate the Thickness shown in Type
Properties. Due to the way the shape editor tool works it this warning may pop up. Think of the shape tool as follows:
take a rectangle and drag into a parallelogram. Notice how the thickness of the floor decreases.
5.2 Columns
5.2.1 The highlighted column can't maintain attachment to the target. It will be
treated as unattached until it can intersect.
Severity: Medium warning
This tends to happen when at first the column is attached to a floor or beam but due to later edits they do not
meet any more. The floor or beam is not above the column anymore but stops to the side of it. We see more and
more companies advising their modellers not to use the attach function.
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enough to cause this error.
5.3.2 Notching applied, but no cut was made. Adjust Notching Distance or
Extension parameters.
Severity: Medium warning
Edit the stairs select the run and adjust the instance parameters under construction of the run. The green arrow points
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at a run where the Begin and end with Riser have been turn off. The red one points at a run where they are turned on.
5.3.3 A notch join can only be used when the run end tread is coplanar with the
landing tread.
Severity: Medium warning
Clear the Begin with Riser or End with Riser instance property for the run to use the notch join.
5.3.4 The slope of this railing may not parallel the stairs at runs and landings. To
get a parallel railing, split the railing sketch at the ends of landings.
Severity: Medium warning
This can occur when editing the stairs or the path of the railing. In the image below you see the stairs from above
while editing the path of the railing. Two segments of the railing are selected. Notice the point at the red arrow. This
point should be located at where the blue arrow is pointing. The lengths of the segments do not match the lengths of
the landing and the stairs.
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5.3.5 The rail is not continuous. Breaks in the rail usually occur at sharply-angled
transitions. To fix the problem, try:
Severity: Medium warning
• Changing the transition style in the rail type properties, or Modifying the railing path at the transition.
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5.3.6 The Actual Riser Height of stair is greater than the Maximum Riser Height
specified in the stair type.
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5.3.7 Stair bottom end exceeds or cannot reach the base elevation of the stair.
Add/remove risers at the bottom end by control or change the stair run's
'Relative Base Height' parameter in the properties palette.
Severity:Major warning
This tends to happen when dragging the wrong thing. In the image on the right notice the number two. The
triangle is the shape handle. By dragging this you move risers between the runs. For example if you have
two runs with both 10 risers than by dragging this triangle you may get one run of 11 risers and one run of 9
risers.
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By dragging the circle you effectively changes the "Relative Base Height" see image below.
5.3.8 Stair top end exceeds or cannot reach the top elevation of the stair.
Add/remove risers at the top end by control or or change the stair run's 'Relative Top Height' parameter
in the properties palette.
Severity:Major warning
This is the same error as the previous but then at the top of the stairs.
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add a landing or create this stair as two stairs.
5.3.10 The multi-storey stair/ramp could not reach its top level with integral number
of flights.
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5.3.11 Landing depth is less than run width.
Severity:Medium warning
If the width of the landing is less than the width of the run you get this error. Make it equally wide or wider t
resolve this error.
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▪ Elements in XXX are not connected in a single physical network due to one or both of
the following.
▪ The flex duct length of {length} exceeds the maximum specified length of {max length}
o Spaces
▪ Space volume can't be computed.
▪ Space is not in a properly enclosed region
7 MEP Warnings
• System Warnings
7.1.1 No loss defined.
7.1.3 It is not possible to calculate the flow since the flow directions mismatch.
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7.1.5 Elements in XXX are not connected in a single physical network due to one or
both of the following.
7.1.6 The flex duct length of {length} exceeds the maximum specified length of
{max length}
7.2 Spaces
7.2.1 Space volume can't be computed.
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8 Revit Warnings Summary (Structural)
• Structural Warnings
▪ Beam or Brace is slightly off axis and may cause inaccuracies.
▪ Join failure caused by editability or design option related problem.
▪ Opening partially cuts its host.
▪ Some columns in Graphical Column Schedule exceed the segment's upper/lower
bounds.
o Analytical Model Warnings
▪ Analytical Top Projection Plane is partially or completely below Analytical Bottom
Projection Plane.
9 Structural Warnings
9.1.1 Beam or Brace is slightly off axis and may cause inaccuracies.
Severity: Medium/Major warning
Typically caused tracing over AutoCAD/Microstation drawings with odd angles or drawing in non-orthogonal
views. This can also be a result of importing analytical structural models from other programs such as CSI's
ETABS. There is a chance that they can alter your dimensions slightly on larger systems. The best advice is to
stay away from behaviour that causes inaccuracies. Fixing them typically requires individual adjustments, which
can be very tedious. Usually dragging them by the end handle to an unconnected or referenced location will set
this to an orthogonal axis. Afterwards, trim them or drag them back. Sometime using the wrong snappoints can
also generate this effect. Gridlines that have been traced over from a dwg or bad shared coordinates can also
have this effect.
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error. Use a family with a cutting void to accomplish this.
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10 Performance Advisor Warnings
10.1 Revit Warnings Summary (Performance Advisor)
Most of warnings issued from the performance advisor are self-explanatory. Where some clarification is
considered beneficial, examples are provided.
Generally, a warning that is more common within architectural files, it is not limited to. It occurs in any element
made from multiple 'closed' sketch loops. In some instances this is an acceptable warning, avoidance possible
being the more complicated solution. However, it is worth consideration in the general improvement of modelling
techniques. The example below is an edited sketch of a 'floor' element and typifies the construction.
Previously mentioned, In-Place families are to be avoided wherever possible, particularly if the same instance is
to be used more than once. The warning relates to having several solids not added or subtracted to combine into
one form, but separate in location forming the same element. See below.
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10.1.3 Warning: There are duplicate instances of the same family in the same
place. Delete duplicate instances to improve performance.
Recommendation: Install the 'Revit Model Review' subscription Add-In tools. This will allow greater flexibility
when searching for duplicates as it allows a tolerance factor to be added. Hence a slight discrepancy in location
for what is an identical component can be accommodated.
10.1.7 Warning: Family contains other families loaded into it but not used.
Consider purging family document from unused families and types.
Family contains nested, but unused additional families. This appears to be a particularly common warning when
dealing with families produced by some 3rd party applications, such as MagiCAD
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10.1.9 Warning: View has clipping disabled. It causes view to draw too many
elements.
A relatively common problem that affects elevation, section, and plan views. Particularly common with plan views,
since sections frequently have the back face or clip defined. It is best solved with the application of a view
template which has the clipping plane set.
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