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Title: Bit of reading for Analogue to digi in 4 pot cars !
Post by: jonnybear on August 05, 2009, 08:39:49 PM
as most of you no i am attempting fate and wantin to fit digi clocks to my
carlton, altohough this subject is abit of a taboo so to speak i think i may
have cracked it !
looking through epc, at digidash clocks ive found that there alll the same and
i mean all the same, its the little removable chip thats so sort after however i
dont think alot of people no that. on the self check the clocks display a code
this is the coding of the chip thats installed.
digi dashs were not only installed in petrol engine they were in diesels too,
no i have the chip for the coding of the four pot, i lost hope as my tacho
doesnt work however afgter much fiddling tonight i got my tacho to work not
sure what i did but it was enough to use this elusive 2 ltr chip and use a
senator one!
the results were rather not much to speak of, however the 2ltr showed the
correct idle every time and the senator ones showed a much less reading...
which is exactly what happends with the analogue clocks, six pot analogue
clocks show a half the tick over that it really is...
when i come back off holiday from lourdes i will buy some eeprom and see
about copying this chip ! but hopefully making a hybrid between the senator
ones too as the senator 3.0i ones where switch from miles per hour and kph
and liters and gal
so the end result will be
four pot eeprom with mph capabilities with the fuel gauge reading in the most
desired litres !
if any one out there would like to help me lift this off the ground and supply a
digidash (with know working tacho) this would be great, digi dash will be
returned un opened ( or if wanted i could dremmel the security srews to allow
opening ) and installing a cold cathode
check this out
(http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/xx216/Carltonbear/IMG_1280.jpg)
Also from the photo, you can see that its the 2ltr chip im using there, as the
distance is not in miles as normally shown on uk digi dashs, well there all
made in the uk lol
Well i know have a working set of clocks in my car now, santa came early this
year and brought my a brand new (and i mean new) set of digi clocks! for a
manual too i plugged in my 2 ltr chip and i was away the difference in digi
dash loom is that it takes it engine speend from the ecu direct unlike the
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analogue version whichis fed from the coil.
well i will soon have a working 2ltr set of clocks, for an auto... however i can
blank of the auto selector with tape from behind so you wouldnt no the
difference...
these are running standard halogen bulbs, the true colour is more of a yellow,
unlike the first set of clocks which are runnign white cold cathode tubes !
notice the mileage:P haha
first 15 miles of my carlton
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Post by: Murph on August 05, 2009, 08:46:50 PM
Hats off to you Jonny didnt think you'd crack it this quickly!
If you manage to get a copy off of that chip I'll be the first in line for one
Mrs Murph wants a digidash in her Dippy ::)
thanks very much matey, bout time it was done and not given up on first
hurdle!
driven along the road tonigh watching that tacho move was amazing i have
such a sense of achievement...
itll be a couple weeks until i get the chips copied but ill be played with the
setting to get it to read in mph and have it read in liters constanly
but my car is finally finshed of mods now and now i can start to drive it!
wooo hooo
Cool!
Mrs Murph wants to know if you'd like a residency down here to play with her
car for a bit! :D
i like bacon ! with red sauce and a coffe with 2 sugars !
also found out what kills digi dashes,
i ahave read alot of people have a flicking digi dash or sometimes see it loose
its mileage temparily
its becaus eof a rather large capacitor a 25 volt 680 micro farrad capacitor...
gets old and crap !
replace it and see the difference !
Legend!
who me nooo !
i just love tinkering LOL
Post by: insaneco on August 05, 2009, 09:28:33 PM
Q uote from : jonnybe ar on August 05, 2009, 09:12:07 PM

i just love tink e ring LO L
some people are born tinkererererers you're like my Granda, he loves
messing about with stuff even until this day opened up his new 42" LCD TV
(2 months old) just to look inside it and have a tinker....
lol tinkererererers :P
yer, its interesting think about going into electrical engineering! just for the
crack !
Post by: Pedro on August 05, 2009, 09:36:56 PM
Gotta say looks MUCH better with the cold cathode tube not a hint of
pink! Well done squire impressive stuff!
I would have that in T'Louts :o :o :o :o Seriously although I still prefer
proper clocks.
See lads?
Takes a Northerner to get rid of the gayness! ;D ;D ;D
LMAO, have you been on the jd!
i dont belive it people look at this post and remember ! :P
woo
Post by: Pedro on August 05, 2009, 09:54:41 PM
Completely sober and deadly serious, dude.
You've done crackin' job!
Post by: flash911 on August 05, 2009, 10:12:37 PM
its becaus eof a rather large capacitor a 25 volt 680 micro farrad capacitor...
gets old and crap !
replace it and see the difference !

where and how ?
well firstlyyou need to open the clocks up, bymaking a smally incision to the
sevurity screws so you can you a flat blade screwdriver.
then you have a series of t10 torx screwns this is to remove the lcd and pcd
board from the plastic outer casing...
and its the big blue thing, this regulates power and protects the clocks from
spikes
reckon itll cost about 3 quid to a fiver from maplins or rs components :) hope
this helps mr 911 :)
worth it really, these do look far better that the astra gt clocks! that i also
have
astra cte great for cavs, astras funnily enough and calibras, if anyone is
going down the gte route then how about incorporating the trip computer in
the dash binnicle too !
that was my first idea ( or rather my mates garys off vodc)
hopefully im getting eeprom programmer soon
fingers x'd
Post by: flash911 on August 06, 2009, 07:37:32 AM
cheers mr B . might stop my dash flashing like a disco light lol
Post by: Whippit on August 06, 2009, 07:40:09 AM
Cracking work Johnny
Got me thinking , never seen a Digi in a 2.6..............or a Diesel LOL
Post by: Whippit on August 06, 2009, 07:41:17 AM
Can you put the pressure sender from the Calibra on?
Might have a spare one soon ;)
Post by: Einarrson on August 06, 2009, 11:43:02 PM
That looks ace Jonny... :o
I didn't used to like the digi dash but then I realised the extra functions on
them.
Post by: chris on August 08, 2009, 11:47:58 PM
i ahave re ad alot of pe ople have a flick ing digi dash or som e tim e s se e it loose its m ile age
te m parily
its be caus e of a rathe r large capacitor a 25 volt 680 m icro farrad capacitor... ge ts old and

crap !
re place it and se e the diffe re nce !
Very impressive work indeed. I was just talking about it with Mick
(biffbangpow) today so came for a proper read.
I have a 93 GSI with big old fashioned dials (same as grandfather clock) and a
91 spare parts car with digital dash (that had flickering off problems although
not at all gay) and have long wanted to fit the digital dash to the newer car.
Your work certainly makes me think I can sort the flickering problem, I wonder
if you would mind me asking your advice on the swap sometime?
Actually the big question is where can I get info on the wiring and where
each type of dash gets its signals from, from there I could probably have a
crack at it.
Anyway, being localish maybe Ill see you round sometime.
Keep up the good work
hey hey hey, just come back from lourdes today so a bit knackered,
glad this has had some response, first thing i have done today is got 75 % of
the check control working (doodle) unplugged the blue plug from the control
ecu and plugged in back of dash... only thing that doesn't work is the brake
test and tail lamp check they stay on
mr whippit if the calibra uses a 5 bar pressure guage then im sure i could
make some use of it! ;)
was sick of my car in bits so its all boxed up and i must say although the
clocks im running dont have the cold cathode tubes they look the dogs
bollocks... only thing is the miliage on them is oooo31 miles :D What shall i do
for the mot ? write the ma letter informing this is a new replacement binacle
and the actual mileage is 156 000
Chris if you want to chat digi and carlton go for it, although i have a bad
head after reading haynes wiring diagrams! LOL
hopefully getting a eeprom programmer built up so i can have a play with the
coding and see it we can really make these clocks dance ! !
Post by: mapblue on August 15, 2009, 04:24:20 PM
Well done with this Jonny,Had the same problem with the check control when
I was messing around with this,you have two options.
First one is two get a check control unit out of a car that had a digi dash as
they are totally diffrent,the other is to use a digi dash out of a 12v,as they
have the same check control.
Hope thats some help.
Post by: mrchaz on August 20, 2009, 07:41:37 PM
There are different types of check control. The dash in the picture is an early
24v one with the 6 lights in the centre of the dash. Later ones had the six
lights in a row under the dash as per the 12v. With the dash in the picture
the check control system is part of the dash where as the other types have a
seperate check controller and the lights along the bottom are just a bulb
holder.
Post by: MEZ on August 20, 2009, 08:29:30 PM
Ohh, i can fix my dash now. No more Discoooooo. ::)
Thanks Jb. 8)
Now wheres that maplins catalogue ;D
25v 670uF capacitors, 75p from Maplins. Closest i could find.
Thanks for further replies,
as for check control i ve cracked that, basically plug the blue plug from the
ecu, the make sure you ive the ecu a +ve and ve and run the relevant wires
from the ecu to the plug on the back of the dash got fully working ecu
also to clarify on digi dashes, theres no 24v dash and 12 valve dash, they are
all the same, its the chip they use in them ;) apart from the said check
control positioning, my digi dash is date stamped 12 1994, i believe and i also
have a digi dash from the year 1988 with the check control still in the centre,
from reseaching old post, mr johnny a reckons the the dashes with the check
control along the bottom under the speedo where check control normally is is
some sort of digital compass that was made redundant
quesiton for you's though ithe sun was shining on my digi dash and i noticed
in the centre of the tacho there is some thats been blanked out but looks like
it does something and its the not the auto section, this is at the top right of
the P on the auto
also got my oil pressur to work too !
pics to follow
Post by: mrchaz on August 21, 2009, 04:20:53 PM

also to clarify on digi dashe s, the re s no 24v dash and 12 valve dash, the y are all the sam e ,
its the chip the y use in the m
Although they look the same 12v versions don't have the numbers on the
guages as the 24v one do.
Post by: U.D. Omega DTM Rep on August 21, 2009, 04:32:22 PM
Q uote from : m rchaz on August 21, 2009, 04:20:53 PM

also to clarify on digi dashe s, the re s no 24v dash and 12 valve dash, the y are all the
sam e , its the chip the y use in the m
Although the y look the sam e 12v ve rsions don't have the num be rs on the guage s as the
24v one do.
Just to clarify....
Earlier (as fitted to all 12v's up to 1990) Mk3 Carlton/Senator B digidashes
were a sort of greenie colour and only had numbers on the battery charge
display. These only read up to about 160mphish....anything faster and the
display would read and flash at you!
Later digidashes for both of these vehicles are yellower in colour and the
battery, oil pressure and water temperature gagues are all numbered. These
clocks can also read alot higher than the earlier versions going all the way up
to 188mph!
HTH! :P
Post by: chris on August 22, 2009, 12:08:55 AM
Q uote from : U.D. O m e ga DTM R e p The se only re ad up to about 160m phish....

[/quote
W hat use is that?
Hone st, I have no ide a how fast I was going office r, the dash just we nt all funny
Post by: jonnybear on August 22, 2009, 08:24:28 AM
interesting read mr u . d, but why are the ones in the picture date stamped
88 ?
off to weld car now lol
Q uote from : jonnybe ar on August 22, 2009, 08:24:28 AM

inte re sting re ad m r u . d, but why are the ones in the picture date stamped 88 ?
Hmmm Ok, Is that a polite way of calling me a liar JonnyBear?? ;) ;D ;D ;D
I almost dragged my fat arse over to my garage today, connected a battery
up to my 1988 3.6L 12v Irmscher Senator B just to take photographs to show
you what a set of the earlier clocks look like as these are what is fitted to my
own car.....but then I stopped and thought, why don't I just scan some of my
Vauxhall brochures and post this memorabilia on the forum instead??
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/urbanndisaplin/EarlyDash2.jpg)
That picture above is from a 1988 Vauxhall brochure showing off their new
160mph LCD clocks as fitted as a no cost option to both the Carlton GSi 3000
and 3.0i Senator CD. To prove I've not doctor'd that pic....below is a scan
from another 1987 Vauxhall Senator B brochure!
And another scan from a 1988 Vauxhall Senator B brochure showing both the
new digi and analogue clocks available....
And yet another scan from a 1989 Opel Senator B brochure to prove that
even the French and the Germans also had these earlier greenie clocks
without numbers on their Oil pressure & Water temperature gauges!
I suppose that this last scan isn't very accurate because I've never
personally seen (In the last 14 years of Mk3 Carlton/Senator B ownership) a
Vauxhall Carlton GSi 3000 24v or a Vauxhall 3.0i 24v Senator CD with the
eralier digidash fitted but this does show a picture one in a 1990 Vauxhall
Carlton brochure....
So now do you believe me people when I say there are TWO different types
of digidash fitted to Mk3 Carlton's and Senator B's? ??? ??? ???
HTH! :P
Q uote from : jonnybe ar on August 22, 2009, 08:24:28 AM

off to we ld car now lol
Oh BTW JB, How did your welding go after?
In no way was i calling you a liar, just stating i have a set of clocks date
stamped is all, interesting read though
Personally, I'm not a lover of the earlier greenie 160mph version of the digi
clocks that were fitted into Mk3 Carlton's and Senator B's! :\ :\ :\
My very first 1987 Manual Carlton GSi 3000 (D22 SWF) had them and so did
my first 1988 Auto 3.0i Senator CD (E453 HXB) and both of these vehicles
revcounters suffered with the loss of illumination of several segments of their
revcounters over time for no apparent reason what so ever. ??? ??? ???
Maybe when I scrap off my current 1993 3.0i 24v Senator CD....I'll swap its
later style 188mph yellower clocks with my 1988 3.6i 12v Irmscher Senator
CD's earlier greenie items! 8) 8) 8)
Glad thats sorted,For a moment there I thought I was going mad. ;D ;D
I not to sure about the check control yet,could you give a more detailed
description on how you got yours to work.
One other thing I didn't get finished was the auto dimmer when you switch on
the lights,how did you get around that Jonny.
Welding went great, got a good friend round to help me, unfortunately we
uncovered lots and lots more rot and i'm rather dissheartened atm, i'm sorry
about my earlier post, i dont deal well with rot ;)
i had no idea of there been a different type of dash ! and glad you enlightend
me of this..
would love to see your senator in the flesh or rather metal
as for the dimmer not a clue ! :P
i might rig a relay in to switch from perminant live to the dimmer live

i'm sorry about m y e arlie r post, i had no ide a of the re be e n a diffe re nt type of dash ! and
glad you e nlighte nd m e of this..
Don't worry about it JB! No offence was taken mate! :)

would love to se e your se nator in the fle sh or rathe r m e tal
If you are ever in the vicinity of South Wales, let me know beforehand via
the forum and I'll gladly show you it! ;) 8) 8) 8)
Bring a bucket and you can even help me clean the bloody thing! ;D ;D ;D
perhaps a sit in it, ortouch it haha
be great! never know if my car passes mot i'll pop down, its mr budgies old cd
! read in your post in the sourcing tappets, that you were speaking to him
many years agao about trip comp, now has one fitted ;)

its m r budgie s old cd ! re ad in your post in the sourcing tappe ts, that you we re spe ak ing to
him m any ye ars agao about trip com p, now has one fitte d ;)
Brian Burgess (aka Budgie) was a very good friend of mine here on TC JB! I
had spoken to him a couple of times on the OOF after he bought his Omega B
but I've not heard off him for several months now. His health wasn't the best
at that time and I do hope nothing serious has happened to him since we last
spoke! :\ :\ :\
Post by: blippi on August 23, 2009, 03:19:10 PM
Q uote from : U.D. O m e ga DTM R e p on August 22, 2009, 11:55:49 PM

His he alth wasn't the be st at that tim e and I do hope nothing se rious has happe ne d to him
since we last spok e ! :\ :\ :\
pretty sure i've got his email address if u would like to contact him sean thats
if u havn't already got it?
What about the check control Jonny ?
Q uote from : blippi on August 23, 2009, 03:19:10 PM

His he alth wasn't the be st at that tim e and I do hope nothing se rious has happe ne d to
him since we last spok e ! :\ :\ :\
pre tty sure i've got his e m ail addre ss if u would lik e to contact him se an thats if u havn't

alre ady got it?
Thanks for the offer Daz but I already have it mate and emailed him months
ago but still no reply from Brian. :\
Post by: jonnybear on August 24, 2009, 12:51:52 AM
j have his mobile number
just to add to, what a fab fellow he is, loved his carlton and invested alot of
money into it! just ashame vx didnt live up to his expectations on some
things, but hey ho its a 16 year old car !
as for check control. ive basically plugged the blue plug into the back of the
clocks frm the ecu and got another blue plug and plugged that into the check
ecu, gave the ecu powaaa and cut and solder the three relevant wires to the
correct pind in the back of the clock ( well the pins on the blue plug! )
i'll post pics and wiring diagrams if neccessary, but atm need car welded and
to pass its mot! :)
Post by: blippi on August 24, 2009, 11:02:11 AM

Thank s for the offe r Daz but I alre ady have it m ate and e m aile d him m onths ago but still
no re ply from Brian. :\
no probs thought that would be the case
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Q uote from : jonnybe ar on August 05, 2009, 09:12:07 PM

Q uote from : jonnybe ar on August 05, 2009, 09:06:34 PM

its be caus e of a rathe r large capacitor a 25 volt 680 m icro farrad capacitor... ge ts old and

re place it and se e the diffe re nce !

Q uote from : jonnybe ar on August 20, 2009, 10:46:24 PM

Q uote from : m rchaz on August 21, 2009, 04:20:53 PM

Q uote from : U.D. O m e ga DTM R e p The se only re ad up to about 160m phish....

Hone st, I have no ide a how fast I was going office r, the dash just we nt all funny

Q uote from : jonnybe ar on August 22, 2009, 08:24:28 AM

Q uote from : jonnybe ar on August 22, 2009, 08:24:28 AM

Q uote from : jonnybe ar on August 22, 2009, 09:05:16 PM

Q uote from : jonnybe ar on August 22, 2009, 09:05:16 PM

Q uote from : jonnybe ar on August 22, 2009, 11:06:02 PM

Q uote from : U.D. O m e ga DTM R e p on August 22, 2009, 11:55:49 PM

Q uote from : blippi on August 23, 2009, 03:19:10 PM

pre tty sure i've got his e m ail addre ss if u would lik e to contact him se an thats if u havn't

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Q uote from : jonnybe ar on August 05, 2009, 09:12:07 PM

Q uote from : jonnybe ar on August 05, 2009, 09:06:34 PM

its be caus e of a rathe r large capacitor a 25 volt 680 m icro farrad capacitor... ge ts old and

re place it and se e the diffe re nce !

Q uote from : jonnybe ar on August 20, 2009, 10:46:24 PM

Q uote from : m rchaz on August 21, 2009, 04:20:53 PM

Q uote from : U.D. ­ O m e ga DTM R e p The se only re ad up to about 160m ph­ish....

Hone st, I have no ide a how fast I was going office r, the dash just we nt all funny

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Q uote from : jonnybe ar on August 22, 2009, 08:24:28 AM

Q uote from : jonnybe ar on August 22, 2009, 09:05:16 PM

Q uote from : jonnybe ar on August 22, 2009, 09:05:16 PM

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Q uote from : U.D. ­ O m e ga DTM R e p on August 22, 2009, 11:55:49 PM

Q uote from : blippi on August 23, 2009, 03:19:10 PM

pre tty sure i've got his e m ail addre ss if u would lik e to contact him se an thats if u havn't

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