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Coaches, We have been working our shallow package the first few weeks of camp and we are really struggling with it. It seems like the shallow runs right into the flat defender whether it be a 2 deep or 1 deep shell. We are running the standard post, DIG, comeback or curl with it. What are some ways you have had success getting the ball to the shallow guy without the flat defender sitting right there????
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Reply #1 on Aug 28, 2010, 7:40pm
What depth are you running your routes? Are you running this from 2x2 or 3x1 or both?
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Reply #2 on Aug 28, 2010, 7:47pm
Typically 2X2. Shallow is around 3-5 yards, corner breaks @ 10, DIG is around 12. Very little from 3X1.
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Reply #3 on Aug 28, 2010, 7:55pm
Where is the post coming from? We run the shallow into the area where the post originates. So for us from left to right, corner, shallow, dig, and post from 2x2. We think the post helps the corner move out of position to play the shallow coming his way. How far from the OT does the shallow route begin?
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Reply #4 on Aug 28, 2010, 8:22pm
We see a lot of single safety (3 deep coverage). We run the shallow towards where the post orignates. What we do not have is a way to occupy the flat defender who seems to just be waiting for us. The post seems to be covered by the safety, the DIG by the middle backers and the shallow by the opposite flat defender. We have tried throwing it earlier before he clears the tackle box, but it becomes a pretty cloudy picture.
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Reply #5 on Aug 28, 2010, 8:39pm
Does the defense have two flat defenders? 3-5-3 look? If not go 3x1 and bring the shallow back to the single receiver side.
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Do you ever go empty and run shallow? Tag the back with an arrow toward the flat defender to clear for the shallow.
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Reply #6 on Aug 28, 2010, 8:55pm
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We see a lot of Cover 3 as well and we run it alot out of 2x2. We coach the shallow to run through the heels of the DE. We also run the shallow to the area that the post originated from and like to hit the shallow if we see the play side ILB work back to the dig route. If he works up to the shallow we hit the dig right behind him. That being said we hit this route before the shallow can get to the flat defender.
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Reply #7 on Aug 28, 2010, 8:57pm
Forgot to post the depth of the shallow is through the heels of the DE to a depth of no more than 5 yards.
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Reply #8 on Aug 28, 2010, 9:17pm
Shallow is tied heavily to 4 verticals. If the flat defender is just hanging there, then 4 verticals is open. The slot should be open on the seam!
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We run shallow when teams bail on our 4 verticals. But, on a side note, release the back to the side the shallow is coming to, to get the OLB to widen and open up the shallow if that is a problem. We release to the other side, but it is an option. Also, sit the dig down right behind the OLB, and don't let ILB cover the dig.
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Reply #9 on Aug 29, 2010, 8:15am
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If the LB's are dropping enough to cover the dig in zone coverage, you should be able to have the shallow receiver sit in a zone seam underneath. I think Chris Brown has this drawn up somewhere on his site. If I remember correctly, vs man coverage the shallow would take a poke step upfield once his man is engaged inside the tackle box, then resume the original route.
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Reply #10 on Aug 29, 2010, 11:34pm
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Force the receiver to outside release the corner to the side where the shallow is going to. If the corner has his shoulders turned outside, he has a smaller change of blowing up the shallow. So either put the post to teh side where the shallow comes from, or just run it with fades to either side and force an outside release. Als try to have the dig outside release too for the exact same reason. hope this helps
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Reply #11 on Aug 30, 2010, 9:47am
A couple thoughts: 1. If the flat defender is just sitting on an oncoming shallow route then something should be open over there -- four verticals, a comeback route, go/out, something. Another good one is just to tag the X to the side the shallow is going to with a 10-12 yard speed out -- read it speed out to shallow to dig/square-in. If the flat defender sits on the shallow the square out should be open. 2. Run a back or slot receiver to the flat or on a wheel route to occupy that defender. If he squats you can hit the flat route or wheel route.
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3. Teach the shallow not to run directly into the flat route by throttling down (though he should cross the opposite tackle first).
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Reply #12 on Aug 30, 2010, 9:57am
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I second what Spreadattack has said. I also think 2-2 is one of the worst ways at times to formation shallow (if this is where you are getting the ball) because you are widening the player you are trying to ideally get outside of. If you must run it out of 2-2 w/ 4 wides, I think you have got to teach them to shut it down, because the hole is noe inside of the flat defender, and you keep the stretch on the ILB w the Dig route.
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Reply #13 on Aug 30, 2010, 10:07am
This all depends on the coverage..If its cover 2. they should get across and idle down in a hole..if its man they should continue all the way across. shouldnt be anyone in the flats across the field unless they are running some type of combination coverage which you rarely see in high school.
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