TFU - Dec - 06 - Meeting Chat

18:57:00 From Srini Rao To Everyone:
hi everyone
18:57:05 From veerapathra kannan To Everyone:
good evening everyone
18:57:45 From Raja Lunia To Everyone:
hi, good evening
18:58:19 From Rajesh To Everyone:
hi , Good Evening
can anyone explain why the marked moved up in the last 30 minutes today?
market*
18:58:50 From surya To Everyone:
don't try to find reasons..
18:58:52 From Vishrut Upadhyay To Everyone:
i was kinda expecting that
news based?
trade what you see
if yes then where to keep a track of such events?
18:59:25 From ManishG To Everyone:
Good evening friends
news based trading is not good in my opinion
remember... market falls fast and rise slow
18:59:51 From Vaibhav Pathak To Everyone:
Good evening all
18:59:52 From aseem To Everyone:
Hi everyone, lets wait for 3-5 mins for everyone to join
19:00:05 From RUCHIT SHETH To Everyone:
According to me the move was due to short covering
19:00:07 From Suresh To Everyone:
Good Evening All
sure
there was no fast downside movement and that's shows that bear are not in
full control
19:00:24 From Mahesh M To Everyone:
Good Evening All
some times Manipulations plays major role. In that time, we have to sit calm
instead of finding reasons
19:00:37 From SURESH To Everyone:
ASEEM SIR ARE U IN THIS WHATS APP GROUP
Hi All, How was Option Trading bootcamp, I found it very intensive, loaded
with too much to digest :)
19:01:13 From Rojit K To Everyone:
hi,
19:01:22 From # Dhanunjaya Srisailam To Everyone:
no
19:01:23 From Apurva To Everyone:
completed
Yes, completed
19:01:25 From Mayur Shah To Everyone:
yes
no... in progress
19:01:27 From Bala Ragubathi To Everyone:
partially..
19:01:28 From santosh To Everyone:
yes
Two more videos pending
not complete
in progress
19:01:33 From Tushar Pandey To Everyone:
not yet
19:01:33 From Abhishek Batra To Everyone:
I above a doubt for CPR presentation
19:01:33 From Virendra Ajmera To Everyone:
6 classes
19:01:34 From ravinder To Everyone:
no
unfortunately no sir, 02 videos completed
19:01:39 From Bipin Rajagopalan To Everyone:
almost
19:01:41 From Ashok Kumar E E To Everyone:
First class only done
7th pending
it will be there till the dec?
request if others can be muted
there is some background noise
@Aseem Sir Can you please clarify the doubts for the options presentation
shared with us
thanks
Thanks for that info
I am unable to unmute
19:02:51 From Mahesh A To Everyone:
inprogress
I have shared my doubt in the whatsapp group
sir I have strategy , possible to back test the same
no, max allowed loss per day is 2%
no
19:11:41 From Neetansh P Shah To Everyone:
no
no
no
no
19:11:57 From Sentia Pvt To Everyone:
depends on reward
19:12:32 From Sandeep Barnwal To Everyone:
No
No Sir
no if there are 4 losing trades then will not be able to take the 5th trade
still risky
19:12:37 From Shashikant Bind To Everyone:
no
no
19:12:43 From BHARAT To Everyone:
no sir
19:12:45 From Teja To Everyone:
If success rate is very high, only then
yes
No Money Management , No trade Sir
I will risk
Yes
19:13:02 From nrupal To Everyone:
no
yes
19:13:03 From Madras Christian College To Everyone:
will take
yes
yes
19:13:08 From krishan To Everyone:
depends on risk management
19:13:12 From Sachin To Everyone:
position sizing rules should help
can take
if capital is high can take risk.. up to 1-2%
Yes, provided we are allotting only 5% for option buying of total capital
yes
Yes
19:15:55 From Tushar Pandey To Everyone:
Probablity is the important factor for trading...and in selling we have high
probability of success
highest risk hai ye to waise
low loss
for most, it'd be max loss of premium paid
they mean low risk of extremely high loss
yes sir
absolute is more important than percentage
yes sir, this is the general idea
I've seen so many ppl losing their 40k-50k account in a single day. cause of
option buying
voice is not clear
plz mute others, lot of background noise
Theoretically unlimited loss
sir, please mute everyone
sir, background noise
19:18:43 From Mishal To Everyone:
Sir can u mute everybody
lot of disturbance. kindly mute
getting lot of background noise
19:18:54 From Pritam Pol To Everyone:
Sir pls mute everyone
sl
stop loss
hedge
will there be any scenario wherein even after Stop loss is set, it is not
executed?
ok
Do we have Guaranteed stop loss ?
Market order are not allowed
Zerodha says
In a highly volatile market if it jumps over our target stop loss, we end up
with a slip on sl.
19:24:01 From SURESH S To Everyone:
IN SELLING OPTION- PROFIT IS LIMITED ,so risk is also limited
no
no
no
no..
Yes
we preset profit
19:24:42 From Vivek Yadav To Everyone:
how
No
if hedged
No
securing profit is imp..
no
only with TSL
through trailing sl is possible but only 1% chance
yes sir, based on pullback
19:25:47 From shweta To Everyone:
Book profit & re enter
In intraday unlimited not possible but in positional?
sir cover it matlab?
19:26:50 From G S Katara To Everyone:
we have to fix targets , All the hinghs and lows not possible
19:26:51 From Naveen N680 To Everyone:
according to R:R
19:26:56 From iPhone To Everyone:
What indicator is plotted on the chart?
in selling 300 can become 0, but in buying 300 can become 3000
max 3 X
no
or 2 X
1:3
no ways for 10X sir
30% anf 40% intraday is enough
true
its like lottery, prob is low, but possible
hero/zero wala
so, unlimited profit only in option selling ?
19:28:45 From Jasmine Amin To Everyone:
Sir in last export 43200 options reach to 9 rs to 106 rs
19:29:11 From Rakesh Kumar Bharti To Everyone:
sir, shall i get today recording, due to i am out side driving
no, practically not possible
only scenario you can hold is when market crashes all the way down. no other
scenario
sir, but it was OTM
yess
yes
yes..
Scalping works on expiry day
it was possible today also at 15:00 for 18600 CE
time frame
19:37:59 From Ankit To Everyone:
sir for me there is screen delay.
sir aapke favourite indicators bhi batayenge na?
What is the indicator
sir, how does parabolic sar gives indicator
parabolic SAR
sir will you give your favorite indicators
okay sir, great
Sir what 2 by 1 in pivot
are we automating them together
Budget
budget
budget
RBI policy
Q Results
inflations
Poll results
any news
like tomorrow RBI
19:41:04 From BHARAT To Everyone:
rbi policy
19:41:06 From Shashikant Bind To Everyone:
rbi policy
war
Rbi policy
election results..
US Fed Meeting
Gujarat election result
Election results
Results,fed meeting
RBI Rate Hike
19:41:31 From Satyam To Everyone:
monitory policy
but premium will be high
vix high
IVs high ho jate hai
are we automating buying
risky buying in event days becoz of sudden movt
up
up
go up
up up and up
up
19:42:50 From Keshav To Everyone:
depends on their prediction
probably go down
Its based on marekt
down
down
19:42:54 From Gaurav To Everyone:
up
depends
19:42:56 From Sudhir To Everyone:
depends on analyst prediction
don't know
not sure
depends as per market trend
19:42:57 From mahesh To Everyone:
anywhere
dpwn
19:42:58 From Kanishk Agarwal To Everyone:
expectation
and on industry
always
19:43:04 From Vishal Kejriwal To Everyone:
not predictable
expectations vs the actual
19:43:22 From Kushagra To Everyone:
If its already up then it may fall
or they may be moving from loss to profit of 5%
19:43:41 From Kishokanth Mohanadas To Everyone:
Its relative
RELIANCE is famous for this
wont work
expectations se kaisa hai result uspe depend rhega...as 5% increase is not
very good to cheer
mostly movts are wide and big
yes, yearly it will be 20% plus
which is good
same company
market profits
or industry results
comparision to previous quarter right
19:44:32 From jigmedorjee To Everyone:
Previous quater
Is 5% exceeding market expectation or below expection
industry standard
Industry standard
Previous results
normally I keep 15% + as good
benchmark
Com[are with median performance of peers
sir, of course your physical health is bad then 😂
peers
peers
Other companies in same sector
Yes Industry
19:45:11 From Veera Ganesh To Everyone:
100m in 10 min very bad
technicals and fundamentals are different
then it's good
then its good\
basis expectations?
so we need some thing for reference
yes
Can we do short straddle also at events ?
easy to lose money
19:47:45 From Abhijeet Pise To Everyone:
why are we expecting there will be movement in events? it can go sideways..
in which case when vix drops loss will be high in straddle buy
actually option buyer helps option seller to make money
sgo
next part
we can proceed
19:48:16 From Vivek Yadav To Everyone:
greeks
please go
Are we done talking on scalping?
how do find tend exhaution
ADX
Just to confirm, all these strategies can be used in Algos, right.
19:49:51 From Abhijeet Pise To Everyone:
what were the settings for psar?
can't we trade on price action only
@abhijeet pise, default settings
Is there a way to filter which days would be suitable for scalping?
Threshold?\
sir, can you please go through ADX again?
But that would give us long period of no sclping days
What are the vix level in diffrent market conditions
no indicator is even 80% accurate, mostly
sir, can you please go through ADX again?
What should be the setting for supertrend
can you unmute me pls?
how to decide when to short straddle/strangle?
adx values kua best hoti hai sir
@aseem can you please suggest the setting for supertrend for scalping
vix ko high jane ke liye market ko girna hoga
19:54:21 From Narayanan Madhavarao To Everyone:
rbi announcement is tomorrow, how can we see the Vix and based on that scalp?
premiums are already low these days
Aseem....suggest you cover days topic first and then get into Q&A
Supertrend settings 2,1 Timeframe 3 min
Pls mute when not speaking
sir, please mute everyone
Sir if possible difference between european and american options, and in gold
which will be their if we trade in international market
no
No
No
to some extent yes
no
Yes
19:58:24 From rahul.shettigar To Everyone:
no
19:58:25 From Subash To Everyone:
Yes
No
19:58:27 From Sanjiv Patel To Everyone:
no
yes view is same
no
yes, if unlimited aspect not considered
Theoretically put sell has unlimited loss limited profits, call buy is
reverse
19:59:07 From Nitin Rane To Everyone:
put sell is more beneficial than call buy
American options are not relevant in India anymore
@Aseem We should use SuperTrend on Index or Future or Option to be purchased
for scalping
ok Sir,
No
Theoretically put sell has unlimited loss limited profits, call buy is
reverse
no
if strike price is ATM
call sell is not equal to put sell
20:00:02 From Keshav To Everyone:
no, theta
not similar
20:00:07 From Moin To Everyone:
NO!
20:00:20 From Sanjiv Patel To Everyone:
CE is limited loss, PE sell in unlimited loss
if market is at same level then theta will kill buyer
It is about earning the IV and paying up the TV
call buying will be subjected to theta decay
Bullish view: Put sell (theta decay is our friend)
put selling will benefit from theta decay
20:01:03 From S.Datta To Everyone:
selling has edge with time decay
20:01:13 From Anurag Thakur To Everyone:
different delta
yes sir
yes..
very surprising at the difference
yes.
no
no
nope
OK thanks
sir, but these CE long or PE sell will need to be adjusted?
as per our own RR?
please share the ppt's also sir
no sir
no
no
no
nope
not visible
yes
now yes
now
yws
yes
yes
yes
yes
sell put
Call buy
bear call spread
no
buy CE, sell PE
ce buy or put sell
no
buy call
Sell Put
no
no
no
OTM CE sell as well
Sell PE
Yes
spreads
no
sell put only
and wait till expiry
otm yes
or worst bear put spread
or otm calls
bull call spread
Buy call sell call
sell call and sell put
sell put
call buy otm call sell
Can make a strangle of call & put
bull call spread
bull put spread
sell a put
sell OTM call
buy pe or sell put
correct sir
70
Will this hedging will also reduce the margin ?
sell futures
okay sir
500
more than 550
CE almost 0, and PE at 100+
above 300
20:10:36 From Madras Christian College To Everyone:
more than 650
put mai bhi loss
Pe price 500
reduces
20:10:45 From Subash To Everyone:
<10
more than 550
500
558
300
500
500 +
300+
150
200 points
47
250
approx. 300 points
20:12:06 From rahul.shettigar To Everyone:
23
200-47
142
153
20:12:09 From Manish To Everyone:
47
20:12:10 From Kishokanth Mohanadas To Everyone:
153
142
200-47
200 - 47
max profit 47?
sir, 153+90
this is spread also
risk reward not good though
clear
How far hedge should be taken
20:13:36 From Manish To Everyone:
18650-18450-47
200-47
20:13:40 From spsahoo To Everyone:
pls tell once agin\
Difference of 2 strike price
20:14:00 From Atulya Narayan To Everyone:
sir 153 kaise calculate hua?
-247
our direvtion should be prime
can rr in a spread ever be 1?
no
go further
no sir
20:19:06 From Tapan To Everyone:
please mute all
Keeping other greeks remain constant, delta gives equal movement in selling
and buying ??
ok
delta it self is moving with the market
Is price movement not enough for trading? why study these greeks?
where do we get live greeks
20:22:51 From Gunneswara rao To Everyone:
yes sir
20:22:58 From Gunneswara rao To Everyone:
live greeks
20:23:10 From Narayanan Madhavarao To Everyone:
based on premium close to 100 means, 100+-10?
it can be used to calculate future option price
?
yes
what moves first... option or future... it is possible to have move in option
first followed by future?
yes..
sir, please repeat again
what is gamma point range?
Can gamma spike be momentary...like last for only few seconds?
okay, great. it's clear now
show excel sheet sir
no
sell
sell
write
buy
As gamma is high
can you pls show how do we calculate historical IV?
Then how do we compare?
Which tools?
opstra has
hv is
What is discretionary trading?
+1
discretionary trading is manual trading @jasmine amit
amin*
What is mean reversion
@ G S Katara thanks for asking this question
🤚
What is mean reversion?
> Any books you would suggest for options and stratagies?
20:40:54 From manoj patil To Everyone:
sir I just attend from today. because of some personal function. can you send
recordings.
pease give an example of positional option selling strategy when we get there
20:43:38 From Sudeep Taneja To Everyone:
I wasnt able to follow much today as got 30 mins late to join AND wasnt able
complete the Options training. What do you suggest on catch up plan ?
Assuming for intraday automation we don't need historical data access..
please confirm...thanks
Can Bollinger bands can be used for automation?
can code samples be shared earlier? Will help in going through them to
understand them and paper trade...
its in the google sheet
could u suggest any option/ strategy books for refrence?
thanks
20:48:28 From kumar dev To Everyone:
GitHub account code share ?
20:48:36 From Sudeep Taneja To Everyone:
I wasnt able to follow much today as got 30 mins late to join AND wasnt able
complete the Options training. What do you suggest on catch up plan ?
20:49:49 From Rakesh Kumar Bharti To Everyone:
shall we code based on moving average crossover
Any idea on what percentage of trading is happening using automation now a
days? And what timeframe algos mostly use?
please repeat the gapup strategy
I request TFU people to manage the class. Sir, cant keep muting everyone if
there is noise. Please do this from next class.
I'm grateful to learn from IIT and Kellogg alumni --- feel very lucky Sir
Any idea on what percentage of trading is happening using automation now a
days? And what timeframe algos mostly use?
20:54:50 From kumar dev To Everyone:
if prog terminate any exception. it will start automatically
zerodas option charges are also zero or do they charge for fno
20/order
zerodha charges 20 for every FnO order
Better to use VPS?
20:57:21 From Suresh Babu To Everyone:
retail algo % is very less
sir please start YouTube channel :D
20:57:31 From Shashi To Everyone:
can we put run the trade using cron job or scheduler and automate on aws

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