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TSkelvintt
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Hi guys,
I got quoted recently (Jan 2016) for electrical installation jobs for my new house. All wirings are
concealed. Are these prices reasonable (per unit)?
Power Points
- Lay new 13A power point with 2.5mm x 2 + Earth PVC cable c/w PVC piping concealed : RM105
- Lay new lighting/led/T5/T8 point with 1.5mm x 2 + Earth PVC cable c/w PVC piping concealed :
RM55
- Lay new ceiling fan point with 1.5mm x 2 +Earth PVC cable c/w fan hook & PVC piping : RM68
- Lay new fibre optic point from outside house (e.g. for Unifi) : RM500
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if only 8 nos. 13A socket total maybe 15 lights in the whole house..
Bit of advice if doing new living room ask your wireman pull extra conduits from the main TV,
central stereo to ceiling/wall satellite speakers..
Place the unifi main equipment in a store room or under the staircase with a cat5e cable to the
wireless AP run cat5e from network switch to the main tv/central stereo console and anywhere
else you might need it with a 13A socket nearby..
Place a 13A socket high level outside in case you need it..
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My advice. Dont be too calculative. U willing to spend huge money on renovation. eletric the most
important part. Anything wrong with wiring ur house will burn down cause of short circuir. Get
licence contractor. Their price higher than normal indon or bangla guy or unregistered contractor.
But u know u r safe . Because to certify test for new installation u need to run 3 test. Insulation
test. Continuity test and earth resistence test.
Pricing are difference for everyhouse. We calculate the wire run from db box to point. 1 poinr from
db to kitchen took 5 ' from ceiling to db 40' up ceiling and 10 ' down to plug point. Its took 50'
wire lenght x 3 (life neutral n earth wire) 150' same 50m. 1 megacable cost u RM80 for 100m.
50m cost u RM40 not include cost of hacking plastering piping and labour cosr finally socket with
difference brand like clipsal mk pdl and some cheap brand. So my advice pay the contractor the
right price with their effoct and their experience and qualification.tq
TSkelvintt
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if only 8 nos. 13A socket total maybe 15 lights in the whole house..
Bit of advice if doing new living room ask your wireman pull extra conduits from the main TV,
central stereo to ceiling/wall satellite speakers..
Place the unifi main equipment in a store room or under the staircase with a cat5e cable to the
wireless AP run cat5e from network switch to the main tv/central stereo console and anywhere
else you might need it with a 13A socket nearby..
Place a 13A socket high level outside in case you need it..
The house plan has 45 lighting points, 25 13A points, 8 aircond/heater/hoob/hod points, etc.
House is 2-storey, 24x70. Total quote is ~RM13k.
Thanks for your advices. My initial plan is to put the Unifi equipments on TV console in living room,
then connect cat5e to upstairs family area, in case the wifi is weak at 2nd floor. But somehow, I
feel those equipments will spoil the TV console view if put there. blink.gif
TSkelvintt
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My advice. Dont be too calculative. U willing to spend huge money on renovation. eletric the most
important part. Anything wrong with wiring ur house will burn down cause of short circuir. Get
licence contractor. Their price higher than normal indon or bangla guy or unregistered contractor.
But u know u r safe . Because to certify test for new installation u need to run 3 test. Insulation
test. Continuity test and earth resistence test.
Pricing are difference for everyhouse. We calculate the wire run from db box to point. 1 poinr from
db to kitchen took 5 ' from ceiling to db 40' up ceiling and 10 ' down to plug point. Its took 50'
wire lenght x 3 (life neutral n earth wire) 150' same 50m. 1 megacable cost u RM80 for 100m.
50m cost u RM40 not include cost of hacking plastering piping and labour cosr finally socket with
difference brand like clipsal mk pdl and some cheap brand. So my advice pay the contractor the
right price with their effoct and their experience and qualification.tq
I'm not calculative but just afraid of being chop with high price since I don't know what's the
market price. Thanks for your advice & sharing on megacable cost.
I somehow don't understand why the air-cond/heater point with 2.5mm cables (same as 13A
points) is so expensive (RM285 vs RM105) while the difference is the extra 20A neon switch. Issit
because it is 1-to-1 to the DB switch while 13A point can a few points share one DB switch?
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I'm not calculative but just afraid of being chop with high price since I don't know what's the
market price. Thanks for your advice & sharing on megacable cost.
I somehow don't understand why the air-cond/heater point with 2.5mm cables (same as 13A
points) is so expensive (RM285 vs RM105) while the difference is the extra 20A neon switch. Issit
because it is 1-to-1 to the DB switch while 13A point can a few points share one DB switch?
Richard
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Please base your decision on our electrical code of installation as there are many electrical
accidents due to substandard cable sizing and wiring installation.. Electrical system is invisible and
travels via electrical conductor and can kill you and burn down your home..
I'm not calculative but just afraid of being chop with high price since I don't know what's the
market price. Thanks for your advice & sharing on megacable cost.
I somehow don't understand why the air-cond/heater point with 2.5mm cables (same as 13A
points) is so expensive (RM285 vs RM105) while the difference is the extra 20A neon switch. Issit
because it is 1-to-1 to the DB switch while 13A point can a few points share one DB switch?
rm45/100m coil for 1.5mm2 (allowed current carrying capacity 14.5A), rm55/100m coil for
2.5mm2 (allowed current carrying capacity 19.5A), rm110 for 4mm2 and so on..
3 runs of cables to complete a circuit i.e. Live(L), Neutral(N) and protective earth(E) with a mcb
for thermal overload to protect the circuit.
You can link as many light points to one circuit within its allowable rating for 1.5mm2 or as many
as 2 nos 13A sockets for 2.5mm2.
If you are doing residential wiring you must run 4mm2 pvc cable for water heater or air
conditioner with a double pole switch. In addition there should be an individual RCD for water
heaters..
The reason you pay more is for a competent wireman to supply and install according to our
Malaysian guidelines for electrical wiring in buildings. Its for your safety and the safety of your
loved ones.
and yes.. you can employ any bangla or indon worker to pull your wiring.. its just not as safe..
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TSkelvintt
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Please base your decision on our electrical code of installation as there are many electrical
accidents due to substandard cable sizing and wiring installation.. Electrical system is invisible and
travels via electrical conductor and can kill you and burn down your home..
rm45/100m coil for 1.5mm2 (allowed current carrying capacity 14.5A), rm55/100m coil for
2.5mm2 (allowed current carrying capacity 19.5A), rm110 for 4mm2 and so on..
3 runs of cables to complete a circuit i.e. Live(L), Neutral(N) and protective earth(E) with a mcb
for thermal overload to protect the circuit.
You can link as many light points to one circuit within its allowable rating for 1.5mm2 or as many
as 2 nos 13A sockets for 2.5mm2.
If you are doing residential wiring you must run 4mm2 pvc cable for water heater or air
conditioner with a double pole switch. In addition there should be an individual RCD for water
heaters..
The reason you pay more is for a competent wireman to supply and install according to our
Malaysian guidelines for electrical wiring in buildings. Its for your safety and the safety of your
loved ones.
and yes.. you can employ any bangla or indon worker to pull your wiring.. its just not as safe..
Should I expect every air-cond/heater/oven/hob/hood point to have their individual RCD? Or how
many can be shared?
The contractor said 2.5mm cables are sufficient for air-cond/heater/oven/hob/hood points. My
largest air-cond is 2hp. Issit true?
Richard
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Just goggle it unless you have specific question i am also competent wireman since 2002..
Only water heater require individual RCD.. It trips automatically if there is a current leak..
Remember recent news those Japanese died in the bathroom? Thats' why..
2HP aircon starting and running amps.. 2.5mm2 is adequate but it must be single circuit to one
aircon.. no sharing..
Strictly if follow code Suruhanjaya Tenaga (ST) requires 4mm2 but no enforcement.. so 2.5mm2 is
ok..
that copper can actually carry 22-36Amps just careful a lot of China fake copper cables in the
market.. easy to spot the weight difference if you are looking for it.. get a competent
wireman/contractor..
get 3 quotations from others if your wireman looks more like a car/insurance salesman,,
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If u really want to follow the regulation 100% than u have to spent more. Normally we follow basic
safety requirement. For aircond individual line from db to point no sharing. 2.5mm max for 2hp
still okay. Above 2hp to 3hp require 4mm amd so on......for power socket normal loop 2 to 3 just
normal use...tv hifi dvd stand fan...small load. For kitchen 2.5mm for normal freezer rice cooker
kettle but not exceedind 13A in total for long period. Oven 4mm required. Water heater prefer
4mm and extra ELCB earth leakage circuit breaker .double storey house prefer 2 db for isolating
purposes and control and save on wiring cost. Earthing also important in installation and need to
do properly n test.
man letrik
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If u really want to follow the regulation 100% than u have to spent more. Normally we follow basic
safety requirement. For aircond individual line from db to point no sharing. 2.5mm max for 2hp
still okay. Above 2hp to 3hp require 4mm amd so on......for power socket normal loop 2 to 3 just
normal use...tv hifi dvd stand fan...small load. For kitchen 2.5mm for normal freezer rice cooker
kettle but not exceedind 13A in total for long period. Oven 4mm required. Water heater prefer
4mm and extra ELCB earth leakage circuit breaker .double storey house prefer 2 db for isolating
purposes and control and save on wiring cost. Earthing also important in installation and need to
do properly n test.
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Thats fair price. Doesnt mean cheaper have to be from indo or unqualified wire man or china cable
or without proper testing.
man letrik
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Im licence eletrical contractor. Normally i charged cliemt base on total material cost plus labour
cost plus transport charges and get some reasonable profit.not necesarry base on points. Because
im the boss and im the worker too. As long as i got job got salary for my staff and retain some
profit for tax. That emough for me. So i agreed. It s depend to individual. Regardless of u r chiness
malay or indian. U cant say others not good. Itd win win situation. U sabe budget we got business.
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if u are hardworking, u can install the fan yourself and water heater..
this 2 is very easy only..
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TSkelvintt
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if u are hardworking, u can install the fan yourself and water heater..
I plan to install ceiling fans myself. My toilets all have wall tiles, not sure I'll break the tiles or not
if install myself.
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I plan to install ceiling fans myself. My toilets all have wall tiles, not sure I'll break the tiles or not
if install myself.
For wall tiles you need those drill bit that is for tiles and it won't break it. Than again is quite
tricky. Is advisable to drill in between tiles to lesser the chance of breaking it
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I plan to install ceiling fans myself. My toilets all have wall tiles, not sure I'll break the tiles or not
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post Feb 23 2016, 10:22 PM
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For wall tiles you need those drill bit that is for tiles and it won't break it. Than again is quite
tricky. Is advisable to drill in between tiles to lesser the chance of breaking it
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My quick comparison:
Prices are about similar for #1 to #3. I guess it's give & take. If not calculative, should be
reasonable.
For heater/oven point, does yours come with a switch (those with small red LED)? If no, then
maybe this is why yours cheaper by RM50.
Your installation charges are cheaper. Anyway, I think I still can accept mine assuming the
contractor keep to his promise of giving his quality finishing/work. From what I surveyed, RM80 for
heater is kind of reasonable (with PVC case only, no conceal).
Now left the below items. I feel the prices are kind of high. Eg. Astro & Ethernet same price as
heater point, RM285. I don't know if it's because of the cable that is expensive vs electric cable or
I only install 1 or 2 points for each of them. Maybe electric sifus here can help to enlighten me.
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- Lay new fibre optic point from outside house (e.g. for Unifi) : RM500
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Tumpang a bit. If looping considered one point or seperate? Example 4 down lights with one
switch, is that one point or 4 points? My wireman says 4, and he charges RM60 per point.
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Tumpang a bit. If looping considered one point or seperate? Example 4 down lights with one
switch, is that one point or 4 points? My wireman says 4, and he charges RM60 per point.
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Dang. He told me that would mean 4 points. Need to get another wireman
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Tumpang a bit. If looping considered one point or seperate? Example 4 down lights with one
switch, is that one point or 4 points? My wireman says 4, and he charges RM60 per point.
My contractor also charged by the number of lighting points. If 4 points, then counted as 4 points
although they are controlled by 1 switch.
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I tried out ServisHero last week and the reponse was quite good. managed to get my wiring done
within a few days. Just sharing here so others can try if interested
http://servishero.com/blog/sure-signs-that...contractor-now/
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where ur location?
Aircon/Heater/Hood RM180
FYI
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My quick comparison:
Prices are about similar for #1 to #3. I guess it's give & take. If not calculative, should be
reasonable.
For heater/oven point, does yours come with a switch (those with small red LED)? If no, then
maybe this is why yours cheaper by RM50.
Your installation charges are cheaper. Anyway, I think I still can accept mine assuming the
contractor keep to his promise of giving his quality finishing/work. From what I surveyed, RM80 for
heater is kind of reasonable (with PVC case only, no conceal).
Now left the below items. I feel the prices are kind of high. Eg. Astro & Ethernet same price as
heater point, RM285. I don't know if it's because of the cable that is expensive vs electric cable or
I only install 1 or 2 points for each of them. Maybe electric sifus here can help to enlighten me.
smile.gif
- Lay new fibre optic point from outside house (e.g. for Unifi) : RM500
looping is half of the price, and the price can still be nego as well he told me but in real dunno yet.
TSkelvintt
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where ur location?
Aircon/Heater/Hood RM180
FYI
Mine is at JB. Your prices include conceal? Did he mentioned what cable brand he uses?
newbuyer
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Mine is at JB. Your prices include conceal? Did he mentioned what cable brand he uses?
yes conceal.
kssaran
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my 2 cents, drill at the joining points of four or two tiles and you will not have the problem of
crack.
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1. I would understand that if you lay one lighting point direct from DB to switch to light and you
charge say RM80 for that 1 point then it is fine. For a short looping, say a downlight of 4ft away,
why still they want to charge RM80 for this point?
2. Likewise for powerpoint. I see some had a quotation of RM105 per point direct from db. If it is
looping next to each other, still RM105? Cost for just this very short looping with switches, wire
and labour will not be more than RM15 and yet they charge the same ie RM105.
Dont you think that this is cut throat charging? Or they charge it this way to make the calculation
simple?
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1. I would understand that if you lay one lighting point direct from DB to switch to light and you
charge say RM80 for that 1 point then it is fine. For a short looping, say a downlight of 4ft away,
why still they want to charge RM80 for this point?
2. Likewise for powerpoint. I see some had a quotation of RM105 per point direct from db. If it is
looping next to each other, still RM105? Cost for just this very short looping with switches, wire
and labour will not be more than RM15 and yet they charge the same ie RM105.
Dont you think that this is cut throat charging? Or they charge it this way to make the calculation
simple?
It's more the cost of mobilization cost, the cost from getting the manpower, materials and tools
from the shop to your house and back.. there's also the parking fee, waiting fee and idling time
who pays for all of this??
Someone has to pay for it.. if it is a small job than maybe they won't take it because the unit price
becomes too expensive and some owners calculate until the 5 cents so it is a loss to take this type
jobs.. better don't do..
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Hi guys, I'm based in KL, I was wondering any of you has got good electrician to be recommended.
As it involves hacking of wall, recommendation by existing people is better than I try my luck with
electrician recommended by those lighting shops.
TSkelvintt
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Hi guys,
Wanna ask, for 1 row of ceiling cove lights with 5 light tubes, does it counted as 1 light points or 5
light points?
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Hi guys,
Wanna ask, for 1 row of ceiling cove lights with 5 light tubes, does it counted as 1 light points or 5
light points?
By right it should be counter as 1 as it is 1 live wire to 1 switch to 1 light tubes.. Then they loop
with short wire to the rest of the 4 tubes. But as you know, some electrician will charge as 5 lights
points and some will charge 1 lights points plus some kopi tips for the short looping and
installation and testing of the 4 remainder tubes.
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can anybody recommend good electrician for wall power point extension with conceal wiring ,
location in Taman Desa
Thanks
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want to replace my old db box to 48 ways.......any recommandation thk
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HEllo guys, just wondering if i have 12 pendant lights, 1 existing switch open 6 lights.
6 lights each row and connect to each other no conceal and just using pvc pipe.
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Im licence eletrical contractor. Normally i charged cliemt base on total material cost plus labour
cost plus transport charges and get some reasonable profit.not necesarry base on points. Because
im the boss and im the worker too. As long as i got job got salary for my staff and retain some
profit for tax. That emough for me. So i agreed. It s depend to individual. Regardless of u r
chiness malay or indian. U cant say others not good. Itd win win situation. U sabe budget we got
business.
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what do you think of this electrical reno work quotation? include hacking and paste back. Anything
that I need to clarify further so that no hidden "cost"?
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Hi guys, I want change and replace 2 ceiling lights with another design. Appreciate if anyone can
recommend good handyman who don't mind small jobs.
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Hi guys, I want change and replace 2 ceiling lights with another design. Appreciate if anyone can
recommend good handyman who don't mind small jobs.
usually minimum is rm100 just for the trip for most services. if you don't mind. even 2 ceiling
lights they are more than happy to earn some quick bucks. 10 minutes work probably cost you
rm35 per light minimum.
or try kaotim.
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what do you think of this electrical reno work quotation? include hacking and paste back. Anything
that I need to clarify further so that no hidden "cost"?
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i was just quoted RM320 for 1 fan for detail works below:
2) Hack + plaster wall to conceal new wires on wall and ceiling in PVC
4) Install fan
is this overpriced and if yes by how much?
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Yeah get kaodim and it will cost more. Why. I am kaodim service provider myself. Poster always
put simple description only. We don't what type of light it is, how high the ceiling. What kind of job
it is plus kaodim commission. The charge is most likely higher than asking directly though some
time is can be cheap also. Why. Because misquote. Kena few times also.
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This is opinion post for those who ask if the price is fair or not for renovation. You cannot compare
like orange and apple. A lot factor come into play when giving quotation.
1) Each house is different size and shape and length so wiring length is different so different
2)Each owner have their own requirement. They want cheap. Some contractor go cheap way by
making wiring go 45 degree instead of proper horizontal or vertical or use flexible tube for every
turn which make the job faster but will crumble into pieces after few years unlike fully piped
wiring.
3)Some want good material some want "can use already is enough".
There is more some factor but already forgot but still the bigger factor is 1) especially landed
house and condominium with their mutiple design. Flat mostly have standard rate
or you can say some if not most contractors are greedy & dishonest.
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hi all, i want to know if my water heater is using 20A socket. how to check?
is the wiring use for lighting is the same with the water heater or water heater need thicker wires ?
?
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hi all, i want to know if my water heater is using 20A socket. how to check?
is the wiring use for lighting is the same with the water heater or water heater need thicker wires ?
?
water heater will require at least 2.5mm2 wire. even more if high powered like those with
4800watts and above.
another method to check is to max power the device for 10 minutes and wait for smoke or the
wire to heat up and you will know laugh.gif
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SO stone age style. Just use clamp meter to see the ampere usage
amp usage will not reflect on the cable size and capacity.
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if the socket have big switch and big neon light then it 20A but need picture for confirmation.
If you use lighting for heater sure will cause issue later. Not now, not a year or 2 but few years
down, likely some issue start some crop like tripping or no electric supply at all.
Light is 1.5mm. Heater according to standard should be 4mm but many owner cry when see the
price so most use 2.5mm wire. I personally will not provide any warranty for the job if owner want
to use 2.5mm wire.
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if the socket have big switch and big neon light then it 20A but need picture for confirmation.
If you use lighting for heater sure will cause issue later. Not now, not a year or 2 but few years
down, likely some issue start some crop like tripping or no electric supply at all.
Light is 1.5mm. Heater according to standard should be 4mm but many owner cry when see the
price so most use 2.5mm wire. I personally will not provide any warranty for the job if owner want
to use 2.5mm wire.
got neon light, but no 20A written on below or above the light.
so i just need to open the water heater let water run for 10 minutes ? if it really has problem,
where the burning smell will come from ? the socket it self ?
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got neon light, but no 20A written on below or above the light.
so i just need to open the water heater let water run for 10 minutes ? if it really has problem,
where the burning smell will come from ? the socket it self ?
1. see the cable connecting to the water heater. some stuff should be written on if it is the flexible
cable with 3 core.
2. if not, it will be the red black green cable which you can estimate the size la. use some calipers
and compare that size with some hardware shop if you are inexperienced.
3. open up the water heater switch and check the wire the same as 2. don't get yourself
electrocuted ok. and at the same time, check if the ground properly wired up.
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so i just need to open the water heater let water run for 10 minutes ? if it really has problem,
where the burning smell will come from ? the socket it self ?
by the way, not sure if you know the difference between socket and switch :
socket
https://www.google.com/search?q=socket&clie...iw=1280&bih=686
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefo....80.iT_sdKawugk
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by the way, not sure if you know the difference between socket and switch :
socket
https://www.google.com/search?q=socket&clie...iw=1280&bih=686
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefo....80.iT_sdKawugk
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https://goo.gl/images/xvMDRz
Normal lighting switch with neon(not for heater or aircond). This is just a ordinary lighting switch
but also with light indicator.
https://goo.gl/images/ecaCPm
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for the switch this one exactly same but for the socket i havent check.
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for the switch this one exactly same but for the socket i havent check.
13A socket
https://www.google.com/search?q=13+amp+sock...iw=1280&bih=686
15A socket
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefo...1.0.3_P15oUlHTQ
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13A socket
https://www.google.com/search?q=13+amp+sock...iw=1280&bih=686
15A socket
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefo...1.0.3_P15oUlHTQ
oh shit, you got it all right. how much to fix this ? need to do from head to toe ? rewiring
everything ?
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oh shit, you got it all right. how much to fix this ? need to do from head to toe ? rewiring
everything ?
it depends...............
difficult to answer as i don't know your wiring diagram and wire size,length , mcb rating connected
to the wire, rcd working or not etc etc.
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so calculative until can accept undersized wires for water heaters. Water heaters are 4mm2 per ST
with an 10mA trip RCBO installed
An electric circuit without earth continuity? All for the sake of saving a few ringgit and bypassing
regulations meant to save lives and property..
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It is most owner who is calculative and want undercut stuff. 4mm is almost 20%-50% more
expensive than 2.5mm plus the RCD deivce alone and when we submit a quote, they will say why
we charge so much for simple stuff and request for cheaper price. Thats why i admit i don't get a
lot heater wiring job as i wont back down on this kind of undercut way unless owner willing to COP
or SIGN or any legal way to testify that i will not provide any warranty and be liable responsible
from any issue arise from this water heater wiring. Which so far none agree too.
actually i'm renting a house, it had been fixed once. my landlord either knew or still don't know
exactly what is happening.
how much it cost if just ask the wire man come to do checking and give plans & advice ?
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actually i'm renting a house, it had been fixed once. my landlord either knew or still don't know
exactly what is happening.
how much it cost if just ask the wire man come to do checking and give plans & advice ?
electricuted or not depends on whether the ground is properly wired and working plus a working
rcd for safety purpose.
undersized wire plus an oversized mcb will cause the wire to get hot and burn when being run
exceeding the capacity of the wire for long period.
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electricuted or not depends on whether the ground is properly wired and working plus a working
rcd for safety purpose.
undersized wire plus an oversized mcb will cause the wire to get hot and burn when being run
exceeding the capacity of the wire for long period.
if the developer provided the water heater point already, it means make the work much more easy
?
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electricuted or not depends on whether the ground is properly wired and working plus a working
rcd for safety purpose.
undersized wire plus an oversized mcb will cause the wire to get hot and burn when being run
exceeding the capacity of the wire for long period.
The guidelines for domestic wirings in residential buildings for standard 3kW water heaters are 20A
mcb with a 10mA trip RCD wired to a 20A DP neon switch terminated to a ceiling rose or directly
connected to the water heater wired 4mm2 in conduit from DB. You can replace the water heater
mcb/RCD with a similar rated RCBO to save space in your DB.
Be prepared to pay around rm500 on average for the above. A wireman who qoutes less might be
cutting corners or using existing wiring. Get the wireman to stamp in his PW number on his invoice
to make him responsible for the installation.. to
This is just a general guide based our energy commission (ST) for a standard 3 BR apartment. Ask
to witness the insulation test, continuity test of the phase, neutral and earth conductors and the
RCD trip test. The RCD trip time must be within 200ms to the nominal trip on the device.
A proper installation must be tested for correctness, safety and the client's peace of mind.
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?
it depends
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The guidelines for domestic wirings in residential buildings for standard 3kW water heaters are 20A
mcb with a 10mA trip RCD wired to a 20A DP neon switch terminated to a ceiling rose or directly
connected to the water heater wired 4mm2 in conduit from DB. You can replace the water heater
mcb/RCD with a similar rated RCBO to save space in your DB.
Be prepared to pay around rm500 on average for the above. A wireman who qoutes less might be
cutting corners or using existing wiring. Get the wireman to stamp in his PW number on his invoice
to make him responsible for the installation.. to
This is just a general guide based our energy commission (ST) for a standard 3 BR apartment.
Ask to witness the insulation test, continuity test of the phase, neutral and earth conductors and
the RCD trip test. The RCD trip time must be within 200ms to the nominal trip on the device.
A proper installation must be tested for correctness, safety and the client's peace of mind.
Usually the water heater point provided by the developer for new houses or apartments is direct
from DB?
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Usually the water heater point provided by the developer for new houses or apartments is direct
from DB?
You need to do it yourself. Thus the need for a competent registered wireman with the correct test
equipment.
The main issue was the death's of home owners in apartment with their water heaters installation
protection not working..
You only hear from the published reports but actually many more happened but not reported..
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Usually the water heater point provided by the developer for new houses or apartments is direct
from DB?
Maybe. Unless you test it yourself or you trust the developer with your life. Your choice
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Maybe. Unless you test it yourself or you trust the developer with your life. Your choice
The test equipment is an RCD tester.All three wires (live, neutral and earth) are connected to it.
The 3LEDs on the tester will lit showing a good live, neutral and earth connection.
The water heater RCD must trip without tripping out the main RCD and the LCD display will show a
tripping time in ms(milliseconds) with the leakage to earth current in mA(milliamps). The readings
should be less than 200ms and 10mA.
Have your water heater RCD tested by your wireman and have it recorded on a test report with
your wireman's PW number and signature.
Sleep a little easier knowing that your water heater electrical connection will disconnect if there is
anything wrong with the water heater and not harm/kill anyone.
Any 13A socket in the bathroom should be similarly tested to make sure it complies to the ST
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The test equipment is an RCD tester.All three wires (live, neutral and earth) are connected to it.
The 3LEDs on the tester will lit showing a good live, neutral and earth connection.
The water heater RCD must trip without tripping out the main RCD and the LCD display will show a
tripping time in ms(milliseconds) with the leakage to earth current in mA(milliamps). The readings
should be less than 200ms and 10mA.
Have your water heater RCD tested by your wireman and have it recorded on a test report with
your wireman's PW number and signature.
Sleep a little easier knowing that your water heater electrical connection will disconnect if there is
anything wrong with the water heater and not harm/kill anyone.
Any 13A socket in the bathroom should be similarly tested to make sure it complies to the ST
guidelines.
Yes but that device can't test the wire size and the mcb or rcd size connected to it.
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Yes but that device can't test the wire size and the mcb or rcd size connected to it.
Yes, however some homes have a 13A socket beside the bathroom washbasin.. usually those
higher class landed properties..
I mean if the 13A socket is installed within the bathroom then it has to be protected with a 10mA
RCD to comply to ST. It is a mandatory requirement.
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Yes, however some homes have a 13A socket beside the bathroom washbasin.. usually those
higher class landed properties..
I mean if the 13A socket is installed within the bathroom then it has to be protected with a 10mA
RCD to comply to ST. It is a mandatory requirement.
Even changing to a 15a socket is better than 13a socket. The fuse in 13a plug will keep on burn
out.
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Even changing to a 15a socket is better than 13a socket. The fuse in 13a plug will keep on burn
out.
You misunderstood.. the water heater is on a 20A double pole neon switch outside the bathroom..
only the wiring terminal from 20A switch to water heater location is present.
I meant some bathrooms has an additional 13A socket beside the washbasin (for hairdryer or
shavers, whatever). It is this 13A socket which has to be protected..
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You misunderstood.. the water heater is on a 20A double pole neon switch outside the bathroom..
only the wiring terminal from 20A switch to water heater location is present.
I meant some bathrooms has an additional 13A socket beside the washbasin (for hairdryer or
shavers, whatever). It is this 13A socket which has to be protected..
yup. clear.
but i dislike socket in bathroom. most people don't do it properly with water proof type
socket.........heck some even don't have a on off switch for socket sweat.gif
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hi, the developer provided a socket for instant heater (looks like 13A) but if i plan to install a
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You can just route the cable to go up the ceiling for the storage tank but usually you will need to
hack the walls to install the heater pipe to go to you mixer. (This is assuming no heater pipe was
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I received this quotation from the contractor. Looks expensive or this is standard rate? What do
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Hi, I see your previous post with 37 lighting points with RM4625, which I feel quite high. May I
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For looping of LED downlight in living room, let says 1st switch on 4 downlights, 2nd switch on
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Yup included. But still very expensive. Hence I didnt proceed with him.
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5) Aircon wiring
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I am in the midst of renovating my kitchen and had just had the first fix electrical wiring installed.
The pricing is dependent on the cable length, cable brand, cable thickness, hacking work required,
PVC & conceal work, ‘looping’ or direct cable from the distribution board so it does vary from
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hi, the developer provided a socket for instant heater (looks like 13A) but if i plan to install a
storage tank heater, can i relocate the existing point or i have to wire another point direct from
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Hi may i know how much for u to install the storage tank heater? my bathroom has the same
design as urs and to utilize the rain showerhead i cant install instant water heater...
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Hello bos.. for me there has pro n con for the price. Lenght of wiring n installation. Spec of
material and condition of point.
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May i know what's the market price for the work below: (Kota Damasara)
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Heater, AC and general new points are quoted differently depending from db box or other nearest
existing point.
In your case, it could be a lump sum or minimum pricing since is just few.
Unless you are repainting the entire unit, the paint color of the completed work area will be
different from the rest of the original wall.
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seeing latest copper cable prices really scary..per roll 125 for mega kabel 2.5mm² now laugh.gif
Assuming the price was doubled up, that translates to (RM125/2) / 100 meters * 3 wires =
RM1.88 extra per meter.
Let's say 1 plug point was initially priced at RM100 per unit.
But nowadays, electricians may ask for RM130 / RM140 per point (30-40% more).
Please expect the price hike is a reason for labour cost increment but wire cost takes the blame.
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All the hacking done and wires already in place and plastered.
Remaining scope: install lights, change old switch sockets to new, testing and commissioning new
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Thank you
Not working as in doesn't even beep? Remote battery change to new/known good one? Clean the
infrared diode ("sensor") of the remote gently and see; sometimes dust prevent IR signal?
Try rotating the fan with broomstick, turn on, and quickly remove the broomstick see if it helps.
All the hacking done and wires already in place and plastered.
Remaining scope: install lights, change old switch sockets to new, testing and commissioning new
wiring works, basically finishing works.
Basically, if its "already wired up" and ready to go (i.e. like a new condo already has wires sticking
out from ceiling) you can get any PW1 certified electrician (even off facebook marketplace) to do.
Without hacking life is easier. Probably previous electrician cannot get MITI approval.
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Not working as in doesn't even beep? Remote battery change to new/known good one? Clean the
infrared diode ("sensor") of the remote gently and see; sometimes dust prevent IR signal?
Not working as in the fan doesn't rotate when the main switch is on. Actually I hardly use the
remote control to change the speed.
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Basically, if its "already wired up" and ready to go (i.e. like a new condo already has wires sticking
out from ceiling) you can get any PW1 certified electrician (even off facebook marketplace) to do.
Without hacking life is easier. Probably previous electrician cannot get MITI approval.
I thought so too, new guy maybe need to spend more time organising wires. The only worry is if
he suddenly turns up asking for money. 90% done but payment only up to 70%.
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