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Bioenergetics: Energy
Mastery for Higher Health
Harry Massey
Lloyd: In 2002, Harry Massey founded
Exponential Health Innovations, an R&D company,
in the field of bioenergetics. The study of
detecting and correcting energy in living systems.
Within this group, Harry serves as Chairman
of NES Health, where he has invented clinical
technologies for practitioners. And is CEO of
Energy4Life, where he’s designed wearable
technology to restore people’s energy for life.
These endeavors grew out of his own research
into health, as he sought to overcome bedridden
chronic fatigue syndrome in his youth. Harry also
wrote and directed The Living Matrix: A New Science
of Healing, Choice Point: Align Your Purpose, and
Supercharged, to educate and inspire the general
public about bioenergetic approaches to health
and wellbeing.
Harry, welcome!
Harry: Hi, Lloyd! It’s great to be back.
Lloyd: Great to have you on. So, your core skillset
is chiropractic work. Working with your hands on
people. Which kind of suggests that if you got a
backache or a shoulder pain, that the root cause
is mechanical. But I know that’s not what you’re
really about.
So, let me ask you, what role does the mind and
brain play in chronic pain, and other chronic
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symptoms, and diseases.
Harry: Sure. So, when I was 21, basically I
absolutely loved climbing. I still love climbing. I
used to climb 4000-meter, overhanging face in the
French Alps. I would free climb without ropes, like
100 feet above the ocean with waves crashing into
the cliffs below.
But when I was 21, I had these three climbing
trips. And they led me to being bedridden for the
next 7 years. And I’ll just go through those quickly.
So, the first trip I went climbing on Ben Nevis in
Scotland.
And ice climbing is much more brittle than rock
climbing. And sometimes you come across these
patches that are extremely brittle, whereby you
teeter up as delicately as you can.
I was a few hundred meters up the mountain.
Placed my ice pick carefully. Unfortunately, the
ice shattered. And the next thing, I realized I was
basically falling backwards, tumbling onto the
slope below. I managed to get my ice pick into the
steep snow slope, arresting our fall. And I ended
up in quite a lot of pain. But it didn’t seem like
anything was broken.
So, this was in Scotland. So, I went to the pub and
had a whiskey. Probably and other things because
I was naughty at 21. And it wasn’t for another
year, when I went for an x-ray for a paragliding
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accident, that I was told that I had fractured my
spine during that fall.
But I didn’t stop climbing and before I even knew
about that, I went to Chamonix, in the French
Alps. I got half way up the mountain called the
Aiguille du Midi. Started getting this fever, where
I was like shaking and shivering, while I was trying
to rock climb. So, I was like, well, I’ve just got to get
down the mountain.
Got down the mountain. Checked into a hotel.
And then basically had this fever for the next
10 days. Which I didn’t do a blood test, but I
think it was glandular fever. And after that, I
basically found myself becoming increasingly
more exhausted. But I was very resilient, very…
whatever you call it, passionate person.
So, I attempted like one more mountaineering
trip, thinking that the mountain air and exercise
would cure us. Unfortunately, that trip exhausted
us so much, I ended up stuck in a tent, eating
dried bananas. And I managed to sum up the
energy to drive myself home.
And really that was the moment where, really
the days from there were spent flat on our back,
staring at the ceiling. And it was like living in this
dark cloud, trying to focus enough to remember
what we were thinking.
Two years of Western Medicine, and I’m sure
we’ll talk about that in a minute, couldn’t figure
out what was wrong with me. And pretty freaking
useless frankly. And a doctor told me at the time,
“Well, you know, 80% of people who are like you,
with chronic fatigue syndrome, just have it for life.
You’ve just got to suck it up. There’s nothing we
can do.”
And in my head, I was like, no way am I going to
accept that. So, I just started researching and just
tried everything I could come across. So, I basically
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dismissed Western Medicine at that point,
because they had no answers.
I went to Africa to do this water fast.
Unfortunately, I lost a third of my body weight.
And then after that, I actually ended up in a
wheelchair from that experience.
Tried all these nutrient IVs. Supplements up the
wazoo. Like every type you could possibly think of.
Different diets. Ozone. Juices, coffee enemas. But
unfortunately, all that activity and biochemistry
frankly was basically depleting me even more.
And I was just concluding, just trying to get well
with just biochemistry was basically exhausting.
And I was getting worse, not better.
So, I laid in the bed. Staring at ceiling. Not
climbing. No dates. No career. And well, it wasn’t
one year. It wasn’t 2. Not even 5. I ended up 7
whole years, trying all these different therapies.
Until we finally thought to myself, if I don’t have
energy, why don’t I study where energy comes
from. And that basically led us to bioenergetics,
which is the study, detection, and correction of
energy in living systems.
So then, I think I was 27 at that point. So, I wrote
to the leading professor in the field, who was
called Prof. Peter Fraser, in Australia. He sent
me this paperback on quantum biology. I only
understood like 10% of it. But I was so fascinated,
and also that’s when I started to feel something
that I hadn’t felt in a really, really long time, which
is simply just hope.
So, I volunteered. And I was like, Peter, can I
just be your research guinea pig? So, I ended up
being experimented on daily, getting all these
basically incredible reactions. So, I would get like
a boil from like an antidote MMR vaccine. I would
get little fevers to tackle the glandular fever that
wasn’t resolved.
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And little by little, I ended up getting my energy
back. And slowly started to live our life again.
Going on dates. Had our first rock climbing
trip for 10 years. Building friendships. And
ultimately, starting a bioenergetics research and
development company that led to everything
we’re doing today.
And that company that we started with Prof.
Fraser, basically turned into all these different
technologies that are able to detect and correct
your health and energy. And so, yeah, I guess to…
yeah, carry on, please.
Lloyd: No, I was just going to say. And the
culmination today anyway, I think it’s going to go
further. I’m sure it’s going to go further. Is this
new wearable device which you’re going to talk
about. And I think you’ve got some slides that you
can share with us on this, so we can understand
this.
But yeah, so this bioenergetics as you say, the
study of detecting and correcting energy in living
systems. So, can you flesh that out a bit? So, bio,
like living. Energetics…
Harry: Yeah, I can start here. I can start with the
definition.
Lloyd: Yeah.
Harry: And some of the principles. So,
bioenergetics is basically the study, detection,
and correction of energy in living systems. Versus,
biochemistry is really the study of chemicals and
molecules in living systems.
And there’s a few principles. There’s 3
fundamental principles that really help explain
what bioenergetics is. And one is that life is an
energy exchange system. The second is, that
the body is a battery. And the third is, that fields
govern your energy control system. And I’ll go
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through those in more detail.
So, life is an energy exchange system. So, we’re
both sitting here. I’m talking a lot. But in between
what I’m saying, we’re also breathing in oxygen.
Then we breathe back out carbon dioxide. That’s a
very simple exchange of energy.
And really, 90% of your energy is actually coming
from the oxygen you breathe. It combines with, I
think it’s about 6% from food, from fats, and sort
of like carbohydrates, etcetera. And the other
remaining 4% is coming from sunlight basically.
So, light, mainly in the form of like heat or
infrared, it will enter through your skin. It will
enter your cell. Hit cellular water, which is slightly
different to bulk water. Because it’s H302, rather
than H2O.
When it hits H3O2, it will spit out an electron,
Which really leads us to like the last source of
actual energy in the body, which is just pure
electrons. Which you can get from grounding or
swimming in the sea.
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But why it’s so fascinating is because ultimately,
your whole body really runs off electron. And
people might have heard of the Krebs cycle and
ATP. And that whole Krebs cycle and how it’s
generating ATP, it’s basically an electron transport
chain.
So, really fundamentally, underneath all the
energy in the body, even “horrible” biochemical
energy, it’s actually electrons. And so, from a
bioenergetics point of view, we want to look to
how you can optimize that exchange of energy,
with the environment.
Because frankly, if you don’t have energy, it’s
actually impossible to heal, or to be well, or
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to even go about your day-to-day life. And I
know you want some practical stuff on that. So,
just practically, one of the quickest ways you
can increase your energy exchange with the
environment, is breathwork. Because as I said,
90% of ultimately your energy and those electrons
are actually just coming from the oxygen you
breathe.
There’s many, many different techniques. I guess
my recommended version of all of that is honestly
just to breathe slowly. And there’s lots of research
on breathwork. So, most of us are breathing 12 to
20 times in a minute. The actual optimal, perfect
breath, believe it or not, is 5.5 breaths per minute.
Which is so much slower than we’re normally
used to.
And the reason that is true and so effective, is
because as you breathe more slowly, your CO2
levels will build up in your blood. Which way
around is it? Sorry. Yeah, it’s making your blood a
little bit more acidic.
And when it makes your blood a little bit more
acidic, oxygen is more easily able to both
transport to your blood, through your lungs. You
actually end up breathing in more oxygen, when
you slow down your breath. But it also actually
helps oxygen release from the blood and get
into your cells. So, that’s really the fundamental
reason.
So, if you want more energy in your
body, breathing slow, which can sound
counterproductive. We all think, we should
breathe fast or something. But actually, it’s the
slower breaths that do that.
And I guess a simple practice, like when I’m
walking around, I will purposefully breathe out as
slow as I can. As you begin to do that, you will run
out of breath for sure. But basically, over time,
your body gets used to those higher CO2 levels,
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and then you experience more energy. So, that’s a
good practical way.
There’s all sorts of other things like swimming
in the ocean. Spending time outdoors. Gentle
walking. And I’m not going to get into nutrition
because I think you’ve got better experts than me
on nutrition.
And all of that really leads into this second
principle, which is that the body really is very, very
like a battery. And so, if you imagine…Well, I’ve got
a cellphone here. So, let’s just imagine our body is
a little bit like a cellphone with this battery.
And our operating systems and all the things that
we’re trying to do today, are a little bit like the
apps on your phone. And as you’re juggling all
of these things each day, you’re a bit stretched.
You’re dropping your kids off at school. You’ve got
your job, etcetera. And you’re burning up all of
that energy. And that can deplete the level of your
body battery.
And it’s a very simple principle. But if you have
more energy available than you actually need in
a day, then you have energy available to do other
things. And so, what the body will do, if it has
the energy available, it will put it into basically
making you stronger, making your body more
efficient. Basically, heal you. Just basic repairing
and healing.
But if you’re actually using the same amount
of energy, or obviously on some days you’re
using more energy than you’re really bringing in
through exchanging energy, your energy levels
start depleting. And there’s no energy left to
basically heal and repair.
And if I go back to our story, when we were
bedridden for 7 years, that was one of the
fundamental things I was doing wrong. I was using
up all my energy every day, trying to do all these
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therapies and extreme things, like the fasting,
coffee enemas, ozone, all that stuff.
Lloyd: The supplements up the wazoo.
Harry: The supplements up the wazoo. And
honestly, if I had actually focused my time on
resting, on breathwork, exchanging energy with
my environment, all that type of thing, I don’t
know what the time period would have been.
Because I’m sure it’s my destiny to get sick, to lead
to what we’re doing these days.
But those 7 years, it might have just been a year. I
don’t know. But it would have been a lot shorter if
we’d simply just understood those 2 principles.
And I guess that leads into the third principle
which I think is the most fascinating, cutting edge.
Which is the fields in your body ultimately control
your energy, or control your energy control
system. And just to explain that a bit more deeply,
because it’s a fairly deep subject.
So, most of us will be very used to the idea that
there’s a chemical control system. All of your cells,
basically react and do a function from a molecule
basically entering the cell. A bit like a lock and key.
And most of us probably think or at least we’re
being taught from Western Medicine that we are
this big bag of chemicals. And all this amazing
chemistry is happening, and basically controlling
our bodies, and keeping us alive.
The problem with that idea is, it’s honesty far, far
too slow, and far too inefficient to actually explain
life. Like, for example, 3 trillion operations happen
in a cell every single second. There’s 70 trillion
cells. I can’t do the math in my head, but it’s off
the charts, that level of complexity.
Yet, we’re sitting here. Our blood stays pretty
much the same. Temperature. We’re able to
coordinate our movements. Let alone think and
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speak in an interview. And everything happens
in such amazing sort of harmonic orchestrated
way. And the only way that can happen is if there’s
basically a field-based communication system
that is many, many orders of magnitude, basically
more efficient and quicker than a chemical-based
control system.
And bottom line is, your cells also have receptors
for fields. And so, really the whole game in…I don’t
know if it’s a game, but I guess life is a game. But
when you’re wanting to make yourself as healthy
as you can, you want your operating system, going
back to that sort of phone or computer analogy,
or we call it the energetic control system... you
want that to be as efficient and well-functioning as
possible.
Why? Because it uses less energy when it’s
operating properly. If it uses less energy, you
have more energy available to do whatever you
want, like heal, play with your kids, go and do a
marathon, or whatever it is.
So, from a bioenergetics point of view, ultimately
that’s what we’re doing. Like, we want to help
people exchange energy optimally with the
environment. We want to help people build up
their energy reserves so there’s enough energy
to heal. And we want to make that control
system as efficient as possible. Basically, so
they can function as well as they can. So, that’s
bioenergetics in a nutshell.
Lloyd: Okay. Fantastic. And just to say that, with
regard to the fields, we’re governed by these
fields. And that’s one of the reasons that these
manmade electromagnetic fields can be so
detrimental to health, is because they’re working
at that level. They’re disruptive to these fields
which are controlling our biology and controlling
what’s happening at the physical level. In fact, all
levels – mental, emotional, spiritual.
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And so, I know that your work seems to be about
simplifying this, so that anybody can benefit from
this bioenergetic work. And that seems to be what
you’re doing, in terms of creating wearables which
are offering these bioenergetic solutions. And I
want to explore that with you.
But first, let’s just talk about consciousness
a second, if we can. Because this is such an
important subject, isn’t it? And it’s one that few
people really understand very well. And few
people understand the practicalities of it, like why
it’s important, what it can do. So, just in a simple
way, where’s consciousness fit into this whole
conversation about health and bioenergetics?
Harry: And energy. Ultimately if you peel back,
let’s peel back reality. So, obviously we were just
saying how life is an energy exchange. I’ll extend
that out to like the Universe, if you like. So, where
does all the energy on the planet come from?
Well, it’s coming from the Sun. And you can go
further out into galaxies from that.
But we accept that tenet that ultimately
everything is an exchange of energy. And then
the next question is, okay, well what is directing
that energy. And that’s when we get into the fields
now, from our perspective or point of view. And
there’s a lot of quantum physicists that agree with
this.
Behind energy are actually information fields that
direct energy. So, ultimately, reality is just energy
and information. And then, obviously you asked
about consciousness and you could say, what
does that have to do with consciousness.
So, in physics there’s this concept of resonance.
And basically, if you take a… I’ll say it with different
words. You could say a frequency, or a vibration,
or a thought. Or in my words, it would be like a
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pattern, i.e. information. If any information or
frequency is similar enough to something else out
in the Universe, it basically attracts. And it will end
up basically coming into your life.
And so, that’s sort of where it gets into
consciousness. So, like for example, like in
Buddhism, Buddhism is very sort of parallel to
some ideas in quantum physics. And quantum
physics would say, actually the Universe and your
reality is holographic-like. And some people might
say it’s sort of into like parallel universes.
But the bottom line is, your thoughts do actually
have, when I say, create your reality, they don’t
entirely create your reality. But they have a
resonance with the outside reality that can
basically bring all these things into your life. And
so, in a way, you could call it, we used that word
before, game.
So, the game of life is really having an awareness
of your thoughts. And over time, from that
awareness, you get understanding of what
happens when you think certain things, you
speak certain things to other people. And then,
from that understanding, I would say reality can
basically… it changes you. But in a good way. It
improves you.
Because there’s certain thoughts, certain
emotional states like gratitude, appreciation,
altruism, etcetera. Like abundance would be
another great one. Like, all of those sort of heart-
centered type feelings. If you modulate your
thoughts with those sort heart-centered type
feelings, it’s amazing, what that can do to both
change your consciousness, but actually change
the reality that you experience.
And if you ask me this of like how did
bioenergetics, and NES, and everything that we
do, come into existence. It’s this crazy, but I’ll
give an example. So, when we first met Peter, or
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before we met Peter, the thought in my head was
like, well, I’m sick in bed. And I don’t know what is
wrong with me. I want some system to tell me the
information to get me better.
And what the universe did is, it introduced us. I’m
sick in bed. It introduced us through a third party.
Well, it was a doctor. He introduced me to this
scientist in Australia.
And what that guy in Australia was doing, it’s like
we didn’t create a system that was just telling you,
like that’s what I thought information was. We
ended up creating a system that actually provides
the information directly to your body, that will
basically direct what we call the energetic control
system.
And so, basically, the Universe made this match
with my thought, this 26–27-year-old sick kid in
England, and it connected us up to this professor
in Australia. Statistically, it’s beyond impossible
that that should happen. And we were almost like
40 years apart in age. I don’t know what we were.
35 years apart in age.
So anyway, it’s just an example. But yeah. I don’t
know if that answers your question. It’s a deep
question, what consciousness is.
Lloyd: It’s a deep, deep question. So yeah, you
manifested this, what happened, all this work
you’re doing now. You were bedridden for these 7
years, or you were very sick for these 7 years. And
somehow that manifested everything you’re doing
now.
Harry: And it manifested because I was outside
of myself in what we were wanting to manifest.
So, one of the things when you’re sick, and I have
every compassion, because obviously I was sick
for 6 years. And it took me 6 years to get this.
Is, sort of like when you’re inside yourself, like,
well, it’s this virus, or it’s this toxin, or whatever
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it is, making me sick. It honestly doesn’t get you
anywhere.
But the moment for me, I was like, well, what if
I could make this system that would help other
people get themselves better. It would also get
me well. And it will also honestly, help me get
out from under my parents, or make a form of
income.
But it was that altruistic-type, abundant-type
thinking that got me out of the situation. I only
really understand it, looking back now. But that’s
what I believe happened.
Lloyd: Yeah. So, to put it another way, you hit
rock bottom, Harry. And it was through hitting
rock bottom, that your consciousness evolved.
And you began to think bigger than yourself. And
you began to think well, I might be dying here, but
how can I help people—
Harry: Basically, I had nothing to lose. Yeah, that
is why I thought, I said, I’ve got nothing to lose. If
I carry on like this, I’m just going to deteriorate in
my parents’ house. And it’s just a nonexistent life.
And I’ll die early or whatever it will be. But it will
just be a life of suffering.
Lloyd: The happy ending is, that didn’t happen.
It wasn’t a life of suffering. It didn’t deteriorate in
your parents’ bedroom. And you’ve just gone on.
Frankly, it’s very impressive. Just The Living Matrix,
that film is just amazing and very inspirational.
Because I interviewed you long time ago, about
7 years ago, I think. And I watched that film. And
I watched and watched it again. I just thought it
was such a great film. And you’ve done all of these
things. But you…
Harry: It was beginner’s luck. Well, I say it’s
beginner’s luck, but it’s the same principle. I was
like, well, how do you get this message out there. I
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was not a filmmaker.
And well, honestly, I basically teamed up with
someone who knew what they were doing. And
we had the knowledge of this space, and they had
obviously the filmmaking expertise. It was a great
partnership. But yeah.
Lloyd: And you’ve carried on making great
partnerships it seems, and making good
decisions. And so, this, where you are now, let’s
talk about this new wearable technology, this
GEM. Perhaps you’ve got some slides I think you
can share with us, so we can better understand
what it is.
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Harry: I can. Yeah, I’ll do that. That’s actually the
wearable that we’re talking about. So, similar sort
of thing that I was speaking to ourselves, like, how
can we make a wearable that will basically detect,
correct, and protect people’s energy.
And in Chinese medicine, a TCM practitioner will
basically put their fingers on their pulse, and you
can work out a pulse. So, long and short, like this
slide is just showing what a normal TCM pulse
looks like. How do I change slides? There we go.
Oh, it’s gone too quick!
This picture here just shows you what a slippery
pulse is, in TCM. And we basically worked out
a whole bunch of math that you can basically
categorize the shape of the pulse.
And then we basically integrated that into
5-element theory. And so, in 5-element world, if
your fire element is up, it generally means you’re
impatient. But the positive side of that is you’re
grateful.
Or, in Earth, you could be super anxious or
the opposite of being anxious is faithful. Or
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basically, like grief to connection, fear to courage,
decisiveness to frustration.
And yeah, we just thought, well, if we can help
people to have awareness of what their emotional
characteristics are, then that gives them more
understanding. And that over time will change
themselves.
But we also, because we’ve done all of this work
in bioenergetics, we can also help correct their
emotional energy and protect their emotional
energy. The correct side, we talked about it a
little bit, about how fields govern your energetic
control system. So, that wearable, if you can see
that on the screen, that basically emits field into
your body that influence your energetic control
system.
Lloyd said I don’t have to bury the truth here.
So, publicly and on the website, basically it’s
there to help balance your energy and balance
your emotions. It does go deeper than that. And
obviously, it’s correcting all sorts of health things
underneath. But yeah, publicly the main claim is
basically emotional energy. And the protect part,
so, I really …
Lloyd: Sorry, just to say, the reason you’re saying
that is, not because you want to mislead people.
It’s just because of the crazy system at the
moment that we can’t say because we get sued if
we do. Yeah, okay. Sorry, carry on.
Harry: One of the ways that obviously you can
help balance your emotions, your energy, and
your health in general, is through meditation.
But in this case, we’re basically personalizing the
meditation to the wearable readings. But we’re
also…
I don’t know if you’ve heard of Pavlovian
conditioning. So, the quick version of that is,
they would basically ring this bell when they
were just about to feed the dogs. And then the
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dogs, whenever they heard the bell, would start
salivating. Because they know that food is coming.
In a similar way, we can basically condition the
autonomic nervous system to the effect of a
meditation. So, if we have a… in this case, it says
courage. So, we’ve got a meditation that helps you
go from fear to courage.
Once you’ve listened to the meditation a
few times, because the device is putting in a
biosignature into you, basically then in the future,
your autonomic nervous system just recognizes
that biosignature. And just helps you shift faster
to courage, and basically away from fear. So yeah,
anyway, that’s what the wearable does.
Because you were asking about consciousness,
and I’ll stop sharing. So, really actually one of the
reasons, or it’s not even one, it’s probably the
reason that we’re doing it is really to help uplevel,
help people with their consciousness.
So, while the wearable is a good consumer
product, and that’s going to help bring awareness,
and help detect, correct, protect your emotional
energy, its really a gateway into energy mastery.
Because same time last year and a bit, we’ve been
writing this very in-depth energy mastery program
that’s really designed basically to help you master
your life across these sort of four main quadrants
of social, which is relationships. Self, which is the
inner work that will help you change. And health.
Health’s perhaps obvious. And wealth.
And when I say wealth, I really mean abundance.
It’s not just money. Monetary wealth is the easy
way of looking at it. But it’s really abundance
across all areas of your life.
And we have this process of GIST, which stands
for gratitude, intention, surrender, trust. And
basically, we have a journal, so you write down.
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Like, if you write down…So, this is a practical thing
here.
So, if you write down what you’re grateful for,
that’s basically putting you in the right resonance
for the Universe to respond to your intention. So,
if you’re grateful, and then you write down your
intentions. And again, there’s ways you can write
intentions that are much more in tune with what
the Universe...
Like, altruistic-type intentions, Universe is much
more likely to respond, than if you like, I want
a private jet. Like, the Universe doesn’t really
respond to stuff like that particularly.
And then, of course you just need to surrender
the how to the Universe, which I think is really
actually where a lot of people go wrong, honestly,
is because we have our intentions and people get
into action. And then something they don’t quite
like.
And unfortunately, or I’ll say fortunately, if
you actually leave the how to the Universe,
the Universe will actually work it out through
resonance. And it will actually bring those
solutions to you. And all you really have to do
then is just like water that garden. Like, stay in
your heart space. And generally, these things will
unfold.
When you don’t surrender, when you try and
control the outcomes too much, it honestly just…
that’s actually what stops it. Like, the more action
and the more involvement you get, it actually
defeats you. And I can tell you that from 22 years
of building companies. But that’s a whole other
story.
And then the last one is just trust. But again,
it’s just having faith and trust in the Universe
to allow that to happen. So, Energy4Life is not
just a wearable. It’s really a whole philosophy to

basically help you master your energy and master
it well. If you master your energy, you can master
your life. It’s as straightforward at that.
Lloyd: Yes.
Harry: It does take some practice, but…
Lloyd: Yeah. And mastering your energy, so it’s
like, sometimes we can get into this thinking that
what’s the point. What can I possibly do to change
things, to change the world, to make the world a
better place. But that’s so wrong, isn’t it?
It’s like one person at a time. It’s one step at
a time. It’s one person at a time. And it’s by
everybody making this little effort that we are
going to improve things. It’s not by voting in, I
don’t know, Biden, Trump, or whoever, leaders.
Harry: It’s not about someone else saving you.
That’s for sure.
Lloyd: It’s not about someone else. It’s about you
taking action.
Harry: And actually, you don’t even…sometimes
we think we have this extra responsibility.
But in the end, we don’t have responsibility
for other people’s life. Well, a little bit I guess,
if you’re running a company, you have some
responsibilities.
But really, it’s not down to us individually, to save
the world and all this stuff. But it is down to us
to basically change ourselves and just to be. It’s
like, in the end, you just be. It’s like, it’s some
really easy things. You can be grateful. You can
be appreciative. You can be loving. You can be
abundant and like any of those things or all of
them.
The more, and again it takes practice, but the
more you can be in those states, the more your
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experience of reality is exponentially better.
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And things just start to unfold more easily for you.
And then you’ll suddenly wakeup and think, well,
actually, reality of my life is just amazing. And in
the end, there’s all this light and all this dark on
the planet. There always has been.
Probably there always will be. But your
experience, like you can experience much more
light than darkness. And that’s honestly just, it’s
down to you. But it just comes from practicing
and becoming aware. And the more over time you
can be in those states, the better life is.
Lloyd: Yes, absolutely.
Harry: And your point, the more people that do
that over time, that obviously brings more and
more people into the light. And there’s a little bit
less dark on the planet.
Lloyd: That’s it. And somewhere, somehow, we
need the dark to understand that light exists. So,
we need both. We just don’t want too much dark,
please. And we want to be moving towards the
light. And so, yeah.
And all these tools which you’ve shared today,
Harry, all these great tools. The breathwork,
which you talked about. And I’ve got people on
talking about breathwork. So, that’s so timely. I
interviewed Jane Hogan earlier today. And that’s
what she does, some amazing work on this. So,
the breathwork.
The energy mastery which you talked about, can
you share the URL, the website for that? Is the
website up for that?
Harry: Sorry, yeah. Energy4Life.com.

Lloyd: Okay. And the other, what you were talking
about, this GIST, and this EDM. Where can people
learn about that?
Harry: Same website, so Energy4Life.com. And
there will be a journal available on that website.
And EDM stands for educate, dance, meditate.
And next year we’re going to be running these
2-day events that basically take you through that
whole energy mastery philosophy.
Lloyd: So, Harry, I know you’ve also done this
research. You’ve had this research done on your
creation with the University of California, in San
Diego. Can you just talk to that a sec?
Harry: Yeah, absolutely. So, we met Prof. Hemal,
actually at a Joe Dispenza event, a year and a half
ago. And he had done all this research showing
how meditation could reject COVID from lung
tissue.
And I was like, well, Hemal, we can actually do that
with an infoceutical, which I haven’t got on my
desk. But basically, it’s a little remedy which just
has the information that we’ve just been talking
about. And he was like, well, I don’t know. But I’ll
see if you’re telling the truth.
So then, he took a culture of lung tissue. He
then basically fed it with our infoceutical. And
then, they infected it with different variants of
COVID, from like delta, and gamma, etcetera. And
anyway, lo and behold, basically they were able to
show a rejection rate that was significantly larger
than the control experiment.
So that got his interest. So, then he said, okay,
what else can your infoceuticals do? So, we gave
one that we thought would improve stem cell
growth. So, they got a culture of neural stem cells.
And they were able to show a 50% greater growth
rate than their control without our infoceuticals,
over a 10-day period.
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They then wanted to test, they were very into
looking at the cell. So, we gave them one of our
infoceutical cell driver. And then they saw this
80% protection of the mitochondria. And actually,
more mitochondrial density again than the
control.
And yeah, long and short, so I know you want
a quick thing on this. So anyway, we’ve got a
lot more experiments now planned. Especially
looking at how these field-based mechanisms are
working between the cells. And yeah, it’s super
exciting.
Lloyd: Harry Massey, thank you so much. Is there
anything you want to just add, before we close off,
very briefly? Anything you want to say?
Harry: Just, I’ll say one thing. I think you’ve
interviewed me on it before. But obviously, thank
you for letting me share all that stuff about
Energy4Life.
We do have a whole practitioner company called
NES Health, which is NESHealth.com. And so, if
you’re a client that wants to see a bioenergetic
practitioner, that practitioner can basically scan
your energy. We haven’t got time maybe to get
into it now, but we have these things called
infoceuticals that will help trigger a healing
response, basically to correct your energetic
control system.
And this will be the first time I’ve ever done this,
but if you go to NESHealth.com/voice, you can do
a free voice scan. And you can actually just see the
health of all the energy in your different parts of
the body. And also on that link, you can hook up
with a practitioner, who can interpret it more fully,
if that’s what you’d like to do.
Lloyd: Fantastic. That’s very generous. So,
NESHealth.com/voice, for this free voice scan,
which is going to uncover all this information. And
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enable you to elevate your consciousness. Harry
Massey, thank you so much. Thanks for sharing
this today. And thanks for the great work you’ve
been doing over all these years.
Harry: Thank you, Lloyd, for putting on summits,
and getting all this information out there. Because
yeah, it’s very needed.
Lloyd: Yes. Thank you. Thank you. And I want to
thank everybody for tuning in, listening to this
Science of Healing and Consciousness Masterclass.
Did this talk resonate with you today? If so, please
go to, well, there’s so many websites that Harry
shared here. But NESHealth.com certainly, and
Energy…
Harry: Energy4Life
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Lloyd: …4Life.com, to specifically learn about this
energy mastery which is so important. And that’s
exactly what I’ve been working on also. And for
me it’s really, if you can master your energy, then
you can master your life. So, make sure to share
this event.
Harry: We’ve just both created a slogan. I’ve never
said that before. I think I’m going to use that in
branding.
Lloyd: Please do. So yeah, share this with your
friends. And perhaps you’ll consider adding it to
your digital library. My name is Lloyd Burrell, from
ElectricSense.com. Thank you so much. Have a
great day. Bye-bye.

Infinite Love and Gratitude
Darren Weissman, DC
Lloyd: Darren Weissman, DC, is a chiropractic,
holistic physician, developer of The Lifeline
Technique, and bestselling author of numerous
books, including The Power of Infinite Love &
Gratitude. Dr. Weissman is an international
speaker in the field of consciousness, and has
been featured in number of films, including
E-Motion, Making Mankind, and the award-winning
documentary, HEAL, on Netflix.
Dr. Darren’s passion is to teach people how to
intentionally change the emotional programs
of the subconscious mind by learning The
Lifeline Technique. To enhance their body’s and
relationship’s natural potential to heal and thrive.
I love that.
So, Dr. Darren also works with clients worldwide,
via remote sessions. To learn more about his
work, go to TheLifelineCenter.com, all in words,
joined together. TheLifelineCenter.com. Dr.
Darren, welcome!
Dr. Weissman: Thanks, brother Lloyd. I’m so
grateful to be here. Thanks for putting this
summit on.
Lloyd: Thank you. It’s great to have you on. I’m
so excited to be talking about this, exploring this
Lifeline Technique with you, which, as I mentioned
just before we came on, I never heard of before.
But yeah, wow! It looks so powerful, this Lifeline
Technique, to promote healing, and all this
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amazing work that you’ve been doing for over 20
years. So, I just want to start off by asking you,
what lies behind this technique, this innate ability
we have to heal. Can you just talk to that for a
moment?
Dr. Weissman: Yeah. Inside everyone, is a light
that is divine. We are divine beings. There is a
field of consciousness that connects everything,
everyone, all the time. Right now, you, and me,
and every one of the listeners.
And so, when we remember this vibration, when
we remember who we really are, and we can talk
about the reality of this, is that we’re programmed
to forget. And as a result, when we don’t
remember who we are, then we’re inhibited, and
limited, and even resistant to our fullest potential,
which is self-healing, regenerating, whole, happy,
joyful, in-the-flow beings.
So, yeah, there’s a field of energy. And having
that understanding is one thing. But here’s the
thing, Lloyd. It’s like, on one level people know this
already. And it’s like, all right, I’m good with talking
about it.
But I realized that people today, coming out of
COVID, everything that’s going on, people don’t
want to talk about it. They want to know how to
apply it. How do I wake up in the morning? How
do I go to bed at night?

When I have a loss in my life, when something
doesn’t work out, when the curve balls occur, and
I’m hit with my emotions, and I’m breathless, how
is it that I can stay present in my power? So that
I can become more resilient in who I was born to
be. And that’s what really gets me going, more
than anything.
Lloyd: Yeah. And so, you said something there
very interesting. Well, you said lots of things very
interesting. Actually, just gave me a shiver when
you said it, that we have this divine light inside us.
And that’s so true.
Scientifically, it’s true because as soon as you say
the word, divine, you think oh, we’ve gotten all
woo-woo. But there’s actually science behind this,
and how we are beings of light. We are beings of
light and we are these subtle energy beings.
And light is what? Energy. Actually, it’s
electromagnetic energy. So, we are fundamentally
energy, as everything in the universe is. Everything
is energy. and energy is everything.
But one of the things you said is, we are
programmed to forget. So, why are we
programmed to forget? There’s some sort of flaw
here.
Dr. Weissman: No, there’s no flaw. It’s perfection.
It has to do with the state of consciousness itself.
The nature of healing is simple. It’s just not easy.
And what I mean by that is, the simplicity of
healing is all about love. It’s all about love.
And that sounds like, oh, cliché. But it isn’t cliché.
It’s a reality. The essence of love is really what it’s
all about. And when we have the ability to truly,
genuinely love ourselves, first and fully.
Not like, oh, I love this about me. I love that about
me. But not that. Not this. Like, I’m going to forget
about what happened to me as a kid, or that I got
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a divorce, or that I went bankrupt. Or that I’ve got
this trauma or injury that’s going on. Or, I’ve been
diagnosed with a disease.
The essence of love is when we can truly and
genuinely love ourselves, love another person.
Then our system is in alignment with that innate
intelligence that connects all of creation.
Now, when we don’t have the tools, when we
don’t have the strategies, Lloyd, when we don’t
have the conscious support to stay present with
love in a moment. And what I mean by love is,
take action. Move towards something.
When we don’t have the ability to move towards
something and our environment can’t hold the
space. They don’t know what they don’t know. My
mom can’t mother me any other way than she
can. My brothers, my sisters, my father, my family
only know what they know.
The subconscious mind has a mechanism where
it stores all the sensory data of the moment.
And then it does, it’s called T-1. And T-1 means
perceive trauma, minus 1 millisecond. It
hypnotizes us. It causes us to forget. Like, we go
back 1 millisecond before the experience occurs,
and we forget that moment.
However, the sensory data lives inside of us. And
all it takes is, maybe the smell of spaghetti, or the
sound of Mozart. Because that was playing, or
that was cooking at the moment when my mom
and dad were fighting, or I was in my mother’s
womb, or during a birth trauma. And there’s a
smell of something, or a color of something.
This activates this pattern that lives within us.
And we don’t remember it because the mind has
backed up a millisecond, and now it’s running that
moment almost as if it’s going on the first time,
because it’s perceived that way. Again, and again,
and again.

And that’s not a flaw, Lloyd. That is an Earth
school, gift in strange wrapping paper, where
the system of life says, you know what, I want
Darren to learn compassion. I want him to learn
compassion.
How is he going to learn compassion? By being
in this situation where he’s struggling in unique
aspects of relationship, and health, and wellbeing.
We go through life in a way where our systems
hold these memories in the invisible blind spot,
called our subconscious mind.
And these memories, which we don’t remember.
We remember some memories. Some are good.
Some are bad. But there are memories that we
don’t remember. And these memories that live in
our subconscious mind, when they get triggered,
they hijack the present moment. And all we can
see, all we perceive, all we know, is how we’re
seeing that moment.
And we’re not seeing it as the present, I’m seeing
it as a 3-year-old boy. In my brain, in my body, my
biology, my behavior become a 3-year-old. Even
though I’m 54 years young as a man, I’m an adult,
but I become a 3-year-old.
And that affects my immune system. Now, I’ve
got autoimmune disease. Now I don’t recognize
cancer cells. Now I’m allergic to this food or this
environment. Now this person’s triggering me and
I’m pissed off, or sad, or overwhelmed.
That reaction, as much as it’s maladaptive, isn’t
bad or wrong. It just feels bad and wrong. This
is what I call, Lloyd, I call it the portal. The world
we live in, looks at pain and stress as, oh, that’s a
problem. Something’s malfunctioning. No, it isn’t!
We live in a perfect universe.
Who could have made this system up. Look at
the stars. How did the sperm find an egg? How
do I digest food? How am I breathing? How am I
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talking to my friend, Lloyd, right now? How does
this even happen?
So, I don’t want to go off on a tangent here,
but the essence of it is, the pain and fear and
stress of our life is a link, a bridge to the invisible
intelligence that is ultimately empowering us,
to awaken to this divine remembering. And
the divine remembering, just the cliff notes
here, is we’re all one. We’re all one. We’re all
interconnected. And it’s just infinite love and
gratitude.
Lloyd: So beautiful. So beautifully said, Dr.
Darren. So, this invisible intelligence, which is out
there, but also in here. And this is what we forget.
And we think we’re separate from that. And that’s
just the opposite of this law of one.
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And as soon as we realize that we’re all part of this
beautiful actually, you say perfect. I don’t know if
it’s perfect, imperfect. But it’s so intelligent. And all
these symptoms and all this “nastiness” is actually
there to serve us. And we need to stop running
away from that and take the bull by the horns. I’m
guessing that’s what your technique is about, this
Lifeline Technique.
Dr. Weissman: The things that suck are just the
tip of the iceberg. There’s just something so much
more. And our perception, our consciousness, like
I’m aware of what I’m hearing, your voice. And I’m
seeing, and I’m feeling what I’m feeling. That’s my
consciousness. And that’s 2% to 10% of my reality.
So, there’s a whole other reality, like an iceberg.
It’s so much more below the surface, but it’s
invisible. Sub, meaning like a submarine. It’s below
the surface. There’s more than what meets the
eye. Don’t judge the book by the cover.
And so, yeah, things suck. Things suck. Things are

really painful. Things are really intense. They are.
But the pain, fear, and stress has meaning. And
when we have a technology, an application to be
able to dance with that invisible partner, called
our subconscious mind, then we can evoke the
intelligence of self-healing.
We can evoke the intelligence of self-acceptance,
self-forgiveness, deep gratitude for the things that
are difficult. And therefore, we can become the
next greatest version of ourselves.
Because, hey, learn different things that help you
to move through things. But oftentimes I find
that there’s more coping mechanisms that are
going on, rather than real caterpillar to butterfly
evolutionary processes.
And to be able to unzip the fabric of
consciousness, and dive on in, and reprogram
your subconscious mind, so that you can, we can,
discover that connection. Which, once again, full
circle, is all about this thing called love.
Lloyd: Yeah. Love. So that’s what we’re really
talking about here. Ultimately, love. Very simple.
And yeah, simple but complex at the same time.
Because if it was that simple, like everybody
would get it, yeah?
Dr. Weissman: Simple and intricate. It’s like a
snowflake. It’s still H2O. A snowflake is still H2O.
but you look at a snowflake, it’s so intricate.
Healing is really simple. It’s just intricate.
And there’s emotions that are involved. There’s
attachments, and relationships, and memories.
And different dimensions, from the micro, to the
macro, that make this an extraordinary adventure
of life.
And so, yeah, the nature of love is something
that I’ve discovered enables us to… and it’s not
like, hey, I love you. I love you. I just met you. I
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love you. Infinite love and gratitude. I love my
girlfriend. I love my kids. I love my mom.
We’re talking about, not like an intimate love,
even though that’s a beautiful thing. We’re talking
about being able to take action. And there’s a
difference between action and reaction. So, the
active mind’s conscious. I’m aware that I’m thirsty,
and I’m actively going to pick up my water, and
drink it.
Oftentimes, we live in a world, in a mind, in a
body, in a relationship that is reactive. And we’re
constantly being triggered into reactive states
of thinking. And those thoughts create reactive
feelings. And those reactive feelings become a
chemistry that affect our lungs, and our large
intestine, and our immune system, and our
hormones, and all the different things. It affects
us.
So, when we can begin to create the relationship
with the re-active. It’s not active. It’s the same
action again and again. It’s a zombie. It just
repeating itself. It’s not an original. And you’re an
original, dude! Everyone here is an original.
And when we remember that we’re original, that
there’s something beautiful, there’s a signature
inside of us, the piece of art that is you, has your
signature. When we remember that, then we live
actively. And then we discover synchronicities.
We discover a unique flow that in and of itself,
allows a process for the mind to begin to detoxify.
And in the detoxification of the mind, joy emerges.
Happiness emerges. Compassion and passion
emerges. All of a sudden, we start entering a
world where we go from surviving to thriving.
And we’re in a surviving world right now. And
I’m excited to talk about with people, what are
applications, what are things that you can do so
that you can shift a reaction into action. You can

shift surviving into thriving.
And the simple part is, and people miss it Lloyd,
the simple part is, oh, it’s about love. And it’s like,
oh, that’s woo-woo bull[beep]. And so, like, no, it
isn’t. And that’s the fun part.
Because medicine’s necessary. Western
medicine’s beautiful. But there’s a bridge between
understanding our consciousness, and being able
to use it as a tool, versus the consciousness that
ultimately torments us because we think that
we’re separate. We think that we’re limited. And
we’re not.
Lloyd: Yes. This is very inspiring. It almost sounds
too good to be true. So, I’m saying that, it’s like
I’m channeling what people are thinking, in saying
that. Do you get me?
Dr. Weissman: Yeah, for sure.
Lloyd: Yeah.
Dr. Weissman: Yeah, for sure. You’re right.
Lloyd: Because they’re looking at you and they’re
going, I don’t know if I really buy into this. This
guy, seems a bit too cocksure of himself with all of
this.
Dr. Weissman: Well, you know what. You know
what you know, and you know what you don’t
know. But you don’t know you don’t know, until
you know it. And so, there’s an aspect of, I can
lead a path because I’ve walked it.
I had a mass on my left testicle. I ruptured my
left Achilles tendon. I suffered with addiction too.
Alcohol and marijuana for decades. I had massive
trauma as a kid - emotional, physical, sexual. I’ve
gone through a lot in my life. Hey, that’s what I call
my portal.
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And what I teach, I’m not looking to teach anyone,
and talk anyone into anything. I did this to save
my own life. And I actually ended up discovering
something that has empowered thousands and
thousands of people around the world as a result.
I’ve trained a lot of people in doing this.
And it’s not for everyone, because not everybody
is in a place where they actually are ready, willing,
or able to change. And blessings for that. To me,
I’m not looking to talk anybody into anything.
I’m just speaking from my own heart, and being
authentic. And whatever resonates, it does, if it
doesn’t, that’s okay.
I’ve come to appreciate that I’m not a prover. I’m a
teacher. And I was born to share this system that
I woke up to, in a moment. I wrote this system
down in 40 minutes, called a Lifeline Technique on
June 17 , 2002. And it just became something that
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I knew I needed to share with others.
Lloyd: Fantastic. So, a download, June 17 , 2002,
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40 minutes.
Dr. Weissman: 8:35 at night.
Lloyd: Wow! Okay. So, please. I’d like actually to
share some practical things we can do. But if you
could just walk us through maybe what we need
to know about that download.
Dr. Weissman: Yeah. Well, that download was
instigated by what I call my faith meeting fear
moment. My good friend, Dr. Ingrid Maes, knew
that her husband and I, Dr. Tom Bayne, were on
the hunt for what we called the big idea.
We had studied all these different systems from
all over the world. And we knew that there was
something that was going to bridge together this.
But we didn’t know what it was. And so, Tom and I
would get together. And we would heart storm.

And one evening, Ingrid said to me, “So, where
is the big idea, guys?” And Tom’s like, “Well, we
haven’t come up with it yet.” And she goes, “You
know what I’ve got that’s big, you guys? You know
what I’ve got? I’ve got this credit card bill. Because
every time you guys get together, you have these
fancy dinners and stuff like that. That’s the only
thing that I’ve got big.”
And Tom and I looked at each other, like dogs
with our tails between our legs. We’re like, oh my
goodness! And Ingrid looks at me, and she goes,
“Darren, do you want to know the truth?” And I’m
like, “What are you talking about, Ingrid?”
She goes, “Do you want to know the truth on why
you haven’t come up with this “big idea”?” And
I’m like, oh my goodness! I was shaking. I’m like,
“Yeah, I want to know the truth.” And she goes,
“You’re just too afraid of how powerful it will be.”
And I said, oh boy! And I usually, as you can tell,
don’t have a loss for words. And I was like, okay,
see you guys later. And my girlfriend at that time,
who became my wife, went back to my place. And
I’m pacing the floor. And I’m hearing Ingrid’s voice
in my mind, saying, “You’re just too afraid. You’re
just too afraid. You’re just too afraid,” like nails
down a chalk board.
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And my crown chakra opened up. I entered this
world of in between. I saw everything that I had
studied with people in China, and Sri Lanka,
throughout Europe, and the States. Things that
I had never seen before, all come together in a
step, by step, by step, by step map.
And I yelled, “Hey, babe! Get me a pen and paper.”
And I scribbled, scribbled, scribbled. And then
I wrote out this flowchart. And it’s a map of the
subconscious mind. It’s a map of consciousness
that with kinesiology, with muscle reflex testing,
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this is something that I can teach anyone to use
for themselves.
And the beauty is, there’s a lot of practitioners,
and coaches, and psychologists, and medical
doctors, and stay at home moms. The youngest
person I’ve taught, Lloyd, was 16. The eldest was
in her 80s.
And so, I thought for a little bit, maybe I’m only
going to teach professionals. And then I realized,
no, this is a tool that people need so that they can
stay present.
And I didn’t realize. I knew that there was going to
be a time where it was really necessary. And then,
when COVID hit, and the entire world shut down,
I’m like, wow! Now I know why I woke up to The
Lifeline Technique. Faith meeting fear.
Lloyd: Faith meeting fear. Can you share a bit
more about what it is? So, with 16 steps, yeah.
Dr. Weissman: It’s like, you ever see the movie,
The Matrix?
Lloyd: Yeah, long time ago.
Dr. Weissman: It’s like you can’t be told. It’s got
to be experienced. It’s like, what pill do you want
to take. So, I can talk to you about what it is.
It’s a step by step. It’s an integration of Chinese
medicine, 5-element theory, ayurvedic medicine,
chakras, neurolinguistic programming, EMDR,
neuro-emotional technique. All these different
kinesiology-based system.
It’s a combination of 16 systems all into one. Step,
by step, by step, by step system, that allows us
to communicate directly with the subconscious
mind. It’s not therapy. It’s not to heal people. It’s
not to fix anything. It’s not to fight anything.
The purpose of The Lifeline Technique, its
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technology, is to raise consciousness. And in the
step-by-step manner, it enables us to ultimately
remember who we are, and step into the power of
our heart center. And therefore, create a dynamic
relationship between the heart and mind, where
we can entrain the reactive patterns that had
been causing maladaptation in biology and
behavior.
Lloyd: Okay. Raise consciousness. Let’s just
explore that for a minute, if we can. Because I
know there are a few people that equate raising
consciousness with improved health, with health
in fact. It’s like, a different conversation like
consciousness is like, where people do yoga, and
meditation, and all that. But is that really to do
with health?
Like, if I’ve got a health problem, I go to the doctor
and he gives me a pill. And yeah, I’m simplifying.
Oversimplifying obviously. And that’s health. All of
that. And supplements and so many things.
Dr. Weissman: Wait! What are you talking about,
going to the doctor is health? What are you talking
about? What are you talking about?
Lloyd: I’m talking about that’s the model. That’s
the model, isn’t it, that dominates. It’s going to the
doctor. The guy in the white coat. Do this. Take
this. 3 times a day.
Dr. Weissman: And it has a purpose. And
it’s beautiful. There’s a time and a place for
everything. Absolutely. Buckminster Fuller, I feel
said it the best way. He goes, don’t attempt to
fix the problem. Make a solution that makes the
problem obsolete.
And so, there’s a nature of when we raise
consciousness… Wayne Dyer said this. Change
the way you view things, the things that you
view change. So, when we are able to raise our
consciousness, when we’re in a place and space
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of seeing it from a different perspective, then as
a result, yeah, it directly influences our biology. It
directly influences the choices…
Lloyd: But it is not even that simple, is it? It’s not
just seeing things from a different perspective.
Dr. Weissman: It is that simple. It is. However,
the same mind that caused the problem, doesn’t
solve it. So, as you’re asking the question from the
model of taking a pill for a symptom, or Amazon
Prime, I get it like this. And yeah, I’ve witnessed
people have transformations that occur very
quickly. And at the same time, everyone has their
own unique journey.
There’s no one cookie cutter way to raising
consciousness. Somebody might do it through
ayahuasca. Somebody might do it through the
death of a loved one. Somebody might have a
trauma, a car accident.
My dear brother, that I just did yoga with, Michael
Fine, he lost his arm in a car accident. Thank God,
he lived. And he is a different being. He raised
his consciousness. He almost left the planet, for
multiple reasons with that. But there’s a lot of
different ways to raise consciousness.
The Lifeline Technique is a system that is also
involved in raising consciousness. And it’s a, what
Gregg Braden says, it’s a soft technology. It’s
something that allows us to, once you know it, it’s
inside of you. It’s who you are. It enables you to
really learn how to drive your mind, versus being
driven by it.
Most people don’t know how to drive their mind.
You know how to drive a car and you’ve got a
license to drive your car. And if you don’t have
a license to drive your car, you’re dangerous for
yourself and other people.
Guess what? You don’t know how to drive your
mind, you’re dangerous to yourself and other
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people as well. And there’s different things that
we can do that really support that.
Lloyd: So, directly communicating with
our subconscious, and therefore, directly
communicating with this infinite intelligence.
That’s where we’re going, yeah?
Dr. Weissman: Yeah. So, the subconscious, here’s
the conscious. It’s the tip of the iceberg. And
subconscious is in between. The subconscious is
the bridge between what we’re consciously aware
of, and the divine. And so, when the subconscious
has…
We’ve got to understand, what is the
subconscious? It protects us, only in the present
moment. Ow! Touched something that’s hot. Or,
I’m around somebody that I don’t trust. Like, you
saying, you know what, I don’t know if I trust this.
Okay, that’s great. Then create healthy boundaries
if you don’t.
You need to listen to those instincts your
system, my system speaks to us, so that we can
create healthy boundaries. But oftentimes, the
difference between what is instinct and intuition,
versus reaction. When am I reacting from a
memory that’s not here and now, versus when am
I in an instinctual, intuitive moment that’s saying,
you know what, you’re not safe. Create a healthy
boundary.
And that is something that is really an important
distinction that we want to create to empower us
to be our best self. So, the subconscious bridges
the conscious with the divine, that intelligence,
that innately is our highest self.
And as human beings, our practice, not our
purpose, our practice is to be our highest
self, every day. And the more we can practice
being our highest self every day, aka raise our
consciousness, the more that not only are we
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optimally healthy, not only are we more peaceful
and content, but when people are around us, they
naturally feel like, woah! I like being around this
person.
There’s something about him or her, that just
makes me feel good. There’s a vibration, there’s
a light, as you talked about in the beginning, that
is that consciousness that we’re aware of, that we
can feel in others.
Lloyd: Beautiful. So, I’d like you to just share, so
The Lifeline Technique is something that people
need to go to TheLifelineCenter.com, to explore
that, if this talk resonates with them, what you
shared today. That’s what they need to do, yeah?
Dr. Weissman: Right.
Lloyd: But I’d like to ask you, Dr. Darren, to share
some practical things like 3 practical things, if
you could. Things that people can do, to promote
healing, perhaps to elevate consciousness. Being
as we’re on that subject.
Dr. Weissman: Yeah. Well, I’ll start with a simple
one. And it’s what I call the secret sauce. And
the secret sauce, I don’t want to be secret in our
world. I want everyone to know the secret cause,
and use it. And that is what we talked about
already, love.
This hand posture means I love you, in American
Sign Language. My cousin, in 1998, Rob Morgan,
he’s the first deaf chiropractor, to graduate
from the Palmer College of Chiropractic. He was
interning with me, Lloyd. And at the end of the
day of full clients, he goes like this. He goes…
And I don’t speak sign language. But I felt
something. He goes like… and I like, Rob, what is
that? He goes, I love you. I’m like, oh my goodness!
That’s amazing! I’m like, “Come here.” And I am so
passionate about kinesiology, muscle testing. So, I
found a reflex on his body that went weak.

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His nervous system went weak. And I went, “I love
you.” And I checked the reflex. And it instantly got
strong. And I said, woah!
I’m an acupuncturist. I love sticking people with
needles. I’m a chiropractor. I love adjusting the
spine. I know nutrition and homeopathy. I love
using these different things. All I did was say, I
love you, and the nervous system which control
what? Everything. Instantly got strong.
And so, this was 4 years before I woke up to
The Lifeline Technique. Then I got to hear
about Masaru Emoto’s work, and water, and
consciousness. And that when you say love and
gratitude, that that affects water. When you say,
I hate you, that destroys water. Infinite love and
gratitude.
So, here’s a tool. Take your hand with love. You
do it too, Lloyd. Bring it over your heart. And slow
down. And just take a deep breath.
There are words that I’ve discovered that tap
us into that innate field of energy that connects
all of creation. And these words are not
denominational. They’re just words that are high
vibrational words. They’re a universal healing
frequency. And the words are, infinite love and
gratitude. Go ahead and just say that to yourself.
Lloyd: Infinite love and gratitude.
Dr. Weissman: And take a deep breath into your
belly, through your nose, at the count of 3. And
out at the count of 3. And go ahead and say it
again. Infinite love and gratitude.
Lloyd: Infinite love and gratitude.
Dr. Weissman: And take a deep breath, at the
count of 3. Through your nose. And out through
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your nose, at count of 3. Infinite love and
gratitude.
Lloyd: Infinite love and gratitude.
Dr. Weissman: And in through your nose at the
count of 3. And out at the count of 3. Let’s do 2
more. Infinite love and gratitude.
Lloyd: Infinite love and gratitude.
Dr. Weissman: Take a deep breath in through
your nose. And out. And last one. infinite love and
gratitude.
Lloyd: Infinite love and gratitude.
Dr. Weissman: Take a deep breath. And let it go.
And now just observe. Just notice and observe
how it feels to be present.
Lloyd: Feels really good.
Dr. Weissman: So, that’s really simple. And you
start a day in that way. I call it the 5-second hack.
You put it over your heart. You’ve got to get a
hold of your heart. Put it over your heart. I love
you, over your heart. Infinite love and gratitude. 5
breaths in and out.
And so, you start your day, you end your day,
you’ve got a big talk, you’ve got a situation that’s
going on. Do that. boom! It will get you centered.
That’s really a great thing. So, that’s one thing.
If you’ve got a part of your body that’s hurting,
place your hand over your heart. Think about that
part of your body. And do that 5-breath infinite
love. You’ve got a situation, someone who’s
stressing you out. It’s triggering you. Think about
that while you go infinite love and gratitude. That
is a real simple, yet profound way to transform
your consciousness. That’s one thing.

Here’s another one. And I call this the connection.
And the connection is all about being present in
the moment. Because the nature of our mind is
our mind, everyone’s mind is triggered every 3 to
5 seconds, somewhere in the past, or somewhere
in the future. Sometimes it’s just a little bit in the
future, or a lot. Sometimes it’s a little bit in the
past. Sometimes it’s a lot in the past.
But this enables us. It’s kind of like tuning an
instrument before you play it. I’m going to teach
you how to tune your instrument. It’s like doing
acupuncture without needles.
So, I’m going to have you take either hand. And
bring all the fingers including the thumb, just like
this. And bring it right to the crown of your head.
This is your spirit point. And your spirit, Lloyd, is
pure love. You are divine.
And as you take your other hand in the I love you
posture, and you bring it right over the center of
your chest. You’re raising the vibration of every
single cell in your beautiful body that is innately
designed to heal, completely regenerate, and be
whole. And we do this by saying, infinite love and
gratitude.
Lloyd: Infinite love and gratitude.
Dr. Weissman: Keep your hand on your heart like
a warm blanket. Lift up the crown point. Touch it
back down. As we raise vibration, and we open
the heart to spirit, we open the heart to pure
love. And we do this by saying infinite love and
gratitude.
Lloyd: Infinite love and gratitude.
Dr. Weissman: And at the same time, take both
hands away and then bring them back. As we
harmonize right now in this present moment,
your spirit and your body are one field of pure
love. Infinite love and gratitude.
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Lloyd: Infinite love and gratitude.
Dr. Weissman: Relax your arms. Take a deep,
healing breath. Let it go. That’s the first part of 4.
Here’s the second. It has to do with your mind and
your body. We’re going to tune them. It’s really
simple.
Take either hand. Whichever one you want. Put
it flat, right on your forehead. This connects
to with your mind. Your mind is infinite. Your
mind produces thoughts 24x7, even while you’re
sleeping.
And as you take your other hand in the I love you
posture. And you bring it over the center of your
chest. Right now, in this present moment, you’re
aligning your mind with your body. And we do this
by saying infinite love and gratitude.
Lloyd: Infinite love and gratitude.
Dr. Weissman: Keep your hand connected
consciously with your heart, with your body. Lift
it from the forehead. Bring it back. As we open
the heart, and you know what happens when
you open the heart, your mind opens to new
possibilities, seeing yourself differently, think
situations differently. Go for it. Infinite love and
gratitude.
Lloyd: Infinite love and gratitude.
Dr. Weissman: Take both hands away. Bring
them back at the same time. Right now, we unify.
Mind and body are one infinite field. This is where
we go from having dreams to living dreams.
Infinite love and gratitude.
Lloyd: Infinite love and gratitude
Dr. Weissman: Relax. Take a deep, healing
breath. Let it go. That was the second part of
the connection. The third has to do with our
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relationship with Mother Earth. The nature of
Mother Nature, is our nature. Everything about
this planet is an outer reflection of our innermost
self. So, the more connected we are consciously
with Nature, the more we take on her vibration.
So, as you take your hands in the I love you
posture, imagine that one of your hands is the
roots of a very healthy tree. Point it down and go
like this. Feel yourself connecting. And everyone,
let’s all meet in the center of the world, where
Mother Earth’s heart is beating. Feel yourself
touching the heart and lungs of Mother Earth.
And as you take your other hand with love, and
you bring it over the center of your chest, feel
your body aligning with the seasons, and the
cycles, and the elements of Mother Earth. Flowing
like a river. Shining like the sun. I invite you to
repeat, I am a thriving body.
Lloyd: I am a thriving body.
Dr. Weissman: Infinite love and gratitude.
Lloyd: Infinite love and gratitude.
Dr. Weissman: Stay plugged-in with Mother Earth,
the hand that’s on the heart, bring it up to the
forehead. As we align our mind with the mind of
Nature. The mind that embraces change, accepts
change, and realizes that everything and everyone
is valued and valuable. We’re all interconnected
on this planet. I invite you to repeat, I’m a thriving
mind.
Lloyd: I’m a thriving mind.
Dr. Weissman: Infinite love and gratitude.
Lloyd: Infinite love and gratitude.
Dr. Weissman: Stay plugged-in with Mother
Earth. The hand that’s on the forehead, all the
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fingers, including the thumb, align at the crown.
So, we align our spirit, the spirit of Mother Nature,
the spirit of freedom, spirit of love, spirit of
acceptance, spirit of kindness. Infinite love and
gratitude.
Lloyd: Infinite love and gratitude.
Dr. Weissman: Relax, my brother. Take a deep,
healing breath. And let it go. As you open up your
palms, and appreciate that you’ve got a left and
you’ve got a right. Because, my brother, Michael
Fine only has his right. He doesn’t have his left. So,
we’re lucky when we’ve got both.
The yin, the yang. The masculine, the feminine.
The positive, the negative. Everything and
everyone is interconnected by one thing. And that
one thing is love. And place your hands in the I
love you posture. And bring these palms together,
and feel them touching.
And bring this divine love into your heart and feel
that energy, that spark of divine light illuminating
in every cell of your miraculous body. I invite you
to repeat, I am a body of oneness.
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Lloyd: I am a body of oneness.
Dr. Weissman: Love is one with my body.
Lloyd: Love is one with my body.
Dr. Weissman: All is well.
Lloyd: All is well.
Dr. Weissman: Infinite love and gratitude.
Lloyd: Infinite love and gratitude.
Dr. Weissman: Bring it on up to the forehead.

So, we align our minds with the divine mind. The
mind that knows that who we are and where we
are, is exactly who and where we’re supposed to
be, Lloyd. And this is the truth of everything and
everyone else. Infinite love and gratitude.
Lloyd: Infinite love and gratitude.
Dr. Weissman: Bring it up all the way up to
the crown, as we align our spirit, the most high
vibration. I invite you to repeat, I am a spirit of
oneness.
Lloyd: I am a spirit of oneness.
Dr. Weissman: Love is one with my spirit.
Lloyd: Love is one with my spirit.
Dr. Weissman: And so, it is.
Lloyd: And so, it is.
Dr. Weissman: We are all one.
Lloyd: We are all one.
Dr. Weissman: All is well.
Lloyd: All is well.
Dr. Weissman: Infinite love and gratitude.
Lloyd: Infinite love and gratitude.
Dr. Weissman: Relax your arms. Take a deep,
healing breath. And welcome to the present
moment. Your instrument is tuned. Now, in this
present moment, we could do a lot of things.
But here’s a reality. I know you asked me to do 2
things. But to me, this is enough.
Lloyd: Yes.
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Dr. Weissman: It’s enough. Because there’s so
much. This is 1/100 of what I do in The Lifeline.
th
It’s 1/100 of what I do. So, you know where you’re
th
at.
Lloyd: I know where I’m at. I don’t know where
you are, listener/viewer. If you were following
through on what we’ve just done, I’m in a different
place now, to when we started. So, yeah. I want to
thank you, Dr. Darren, for…
Dr. Weissman: My pleasure.
Lloyd: For the work you’ve been doing, for sharing
this with the world. You talked a little bit about
what you went through, to get to where you are
now.
So, I just want to remind people of that. Is,
sometimes no matter how crap and desperate
things might be, and you’re just like, there seems
no hope and that you’re at the end of your tether,
that Dr. Darren here is an example to all of us, of
what we can achieve. And a beautiful example.
And he shared some really amazing
transformational, empowering information.
It’s not information. Guidance, techniques,
downloads. Don’t really have words for it, do we?
But anyway, he’s changed our lives, I think, in this
little talk. So, thank you so much. Thank you so
much for participating.
Dr. Weissman: My pleasure, Lloyd. Thanks so
much for the courage of putting yourself out
there. You’re not taking the easy road. You’re
really taking the road less travelled and it really
makes a big difference. And I am honored to be a
part of this great summit. And I know it’s going to
impact people in a really positive, beautiful way.
Lloyd: Thank you so much. So, if this did resonate
with you, I really encourage you, listener/viewer,
to go to Dr. Darren’s website. I’m going to give
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you again, TheLifelineCenter.com. All one word.

TheLifelineCenter.com.

I think we can appreciate, we’ve only just touched

on what’s possible here. Only just touched on it.
So, if this resonates with you, please go there. And
please share this with your friends, yeah? And
please consider adding this to your digital library.

My name is Lloyd Burrell. Thank you so much.

Have a great day. Take care. Bye-bye.

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Self-Compassion for
Higher Health
Jill Carnahan, MD, ABIHM, ABoIM, IFMCP
Lloyd: Dr. Jill Carnahan is a functional medicine
expert, dily board certified in family medicine
for ten years, and in integrative holistic medicine
since 2015. She’s the medical director of FlatIron
Functional Medicine, a widely sought after
practice with a broad range of clinical services.
As a survivor of breast cancer, Crohn’s disease,
and toxic mold illness, Dr. Jill brings a unique
perspective to treating patients in the midst of
complex and chronic illness. Her clinic specializes
in searching for the underlying triggers that
contribute to illness through cutting-edge lab
testing and tailoring the intervention to specific
needs.
Featured in Shape magazine, Parade, Forbes,
MindBodyGreen, First for Women, Townsend
Newsletter, and the Huffington Post, as well as
seen on NBC news in the health segments, Dr.
Jill’s YouTube channel and podcast features live
interviews with the healthcare world’s most
respected names.
She co-authored The Personalized and Precision
Integrative Cardiovascular Medicine textbook and
is set to release her prescriptive memoir through
Forefront Publishing in 2023. Sounds exciting. Dr.
Jill, welcome!
Dr. Carnahan: Thank you, Lloyd! I’m so excited to
be here with you!
Lloyd: I’m so excited to have you on. So as I
said, we were just exchanging a little bit, we
have a mutual friend that brought us together.
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And I know you have a powerful story that you
were exposed to this. You were living on this
beautiful farm, and you were exposed to this
environmental toxicity as a child. And that led to
you becoming ill some years later. Can you talk to
that story and share that with us, please?
Dr. Carnahan: I sure can. And I just love your
platform and what you stand for, Lloyd, because
I’ll frame this in the sense of we have physical
triggers. But we also have emotional, energetic,
and environmental, other things going on. And
I think my story very much shows a piece of all
that. And I hope that your listeners, really it’s not
about me or you.
We talked at the beginning. It’s about seeing your
reflection, little pieces that you might see in my
own story or the things that we talk about today
that might resonate and might cause you to look
deeper in your own personal transformation. So
my goal in telling this is not about me. It’s about
being a reflection to the listener.
So I grew up on a farm in central Illinois. I’m one
of five children, a beautiful family. We raised a lot
of our own food, just a kind of Normal Rockwell-
esque environment, about as good as a childhood
as you can have. Wonderful, loving parents and,
again, one of five siblings, I was the oldest girl.
But unbeknownst to me, there was a lot of toxic
exposure in my environment. And I did have a lot
of severe allergies as a child. And that was kind of
the inkling that something was not quite right. It
turned out at 25, in the midst of medical school, I

found a lump in my breast. And within two weeks,
I was diagnosed with a very aggressive breast
cancer.
And part of my journey as healer, I’ve learned
over time is that I experience things and often
including suffering in very difficult times. But
through that, each time I’m transformed to a new
version of myself. And this was my first massive
experience of facing a life-threating illness.
But as hard as it was and as much as I would
never wish that on myself again or anyone else,
it was the first thing that started transformation
in my life. And I started to realize the power of
suffering and the power of difficulties to really
take us deep and go deep and dive deep and
figure out why did this happen. What part did I
have to play in it? What part did my ancestors?
What part did my farm and environment?
So I dug deep. And I looked. And I saw that on the
farm, now it’s mostly organic and all non-GMO.
But at the time I grew up in the 70s and 80s, there
was lots of organophosphates, pesticides, things
like atrazine, Roundup, etcetera. Roundup came a
little later. But all of these chemicals.
And I happened to be born with a very small toxic
load bucket. And we talk about with toxic load this
bucket capacity that we’re all born with to detoxify
the things in our environment because our bodies
are created to heal and created to detox. And we
all have toxic exposures every day.
Unfortunately, in our world, it’s exponentially
increasing. And I think that’s part of what’s taking
us down, whether it’s EMFs or negativity or conflict
or just the chemicals in our environment. And this
was no different for me at the young age of 25.
And what people may not know is that 25, when
you’re diagnosed with breast cancer, it’s a whole
different illness than your grandmother at 80 or
75 or even 65. It’s a less aggressive form usually
when someone is older in their years. And when
this hits someone very young, it’s incredibly
aggressive. I point to the story of the fact that I
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was in a young breast cancer survivor group of
under 40. And I’m the only one still living, the only
one of those that was in my group in Chicago.
Lloyd: Because they didn’t follow the treatments
that you did?
Dr. Carnahan: No, I don’t think it was necessarily
mindset. I just pointed out under 40, it’s a very
aggressive, life-threatening illness because a lot
of people know aunts and mothers and family
members and sisters that have had breast cancer
and have survived. Some haven’t.
But the younger the person is, the more
aggressive the cancer because breast cancer,
prostate cancer is typically a disease of older
men and women or at least middle age. It doesn’t
typically impact…In 2001 when I was diagnosed,
I was the youngest one diagnosed at that major
medical center where I was a medical student. So
it just kind of shows the aggressiveness of what
happens.
Lloyd: Yeah. But what a gift that must be because
all those people have gone, and you’re still here
today. So isn’t every day, doesn’t every day feel
like, “Wow! I’m still here. I still get to experience
this.”
Dr. Carnahan: One hundred percent. And that’s
why I bring this in. This was difficult. But it framed
who I became. And it gave me the greatest gift
in the world because it transformed me into a
healer, a true healer that looks for root cause and
says, “Why could this have happened? And how
can we reverse it?”
And I looked at not only my environmental
toxicity, but over the past 20 years, I looked at
emotional toxicity and relational toxicity and
how do we create healthy energy and all of these
things. But that was thew start of my journey, the
shaking up of understanding.
Lloyd: Yeah. So we’re going to come back to
all that because all that’s very important. And
your work is, as I mentioned in my intro, it’s very

cutting edge in lab techniques and so on. But can
you talk about intuition and the role that that
played in your healing?
Dr. Carnahan: Absolutely. So I didn’t realize this.
I grew up in a farm family, all analytical engineers.
And I actually went into bioengineering as an
undergrad. I kind of thought I was this analytical,
problem-solving, more left brain. And I definitely
have that ability.
But what I didn’t know at that time was I’m
also a very highly-sensitive, energetic, intuitive
individual, very creative, very right brained. But
because I was in this family of analytical engineer
types, I kind of suppressed that sensitive side
of myself. And I pulled up by the bootstraps
the tough farmgirl kind of mentality. I took that
on as my identity. And I suppressed the side of
myself that was this creative artist and creative
individual.
And what I found over those years is like going
back to that intuition. And, again, medical school,
I feel like, almost trains out that intuitive side
because it’s all science. It’s all analytical. And
you’re actually taught not to trust your intuition,
not to trust your heart, not to show emotion for
our patients.
Like what more thing could we do to connect
ourselves to another human being is to mutually
reflect emotion? And we’re taught, “Do not do
that. Put on a mask. You’re the boss. You know
all the answers,” which is ridiculous, right? We’re
partners.
Lloyd: You had to break all that programming.
Dr. Carnahan: Yes. Yes, because I was, again, if
we talk about masculine and feminine energy,
which we both have, medical school is very
masculine energy, very driven, very analytical.
And all of this more esoteric, intuitive side,
energetic side, it is completely frowned upon. So
you suppress that side of yourself to get through
medical school. But I had to relearn that.
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And what I was going to say, Lloyd, as far as
intuition and healing, in this last ten or twelve
years what I’ve found is the analytical side is great.
I still use it. I use the science. I use that piece of
problem solving. But the power to find solutions
to complex problems on this right brain intuitive
side, you can take millions of pieces of data in
your subconscious instantaneously and know
an answer deeply. And you can prove it with the
science.
But I find the power of that intuitive side, not only
for myself but for my patients in helping them
find answers to complex problems, it’s thousands
if not millions of times more powerful, and
especially when we combine both worlds.
Lloyd: Have you found that by just using your
intuition that often or nearly always or sometimes
that it’s actually the nutrition that’s bang on? And
then you do the lab tests afterwards and it just
confirms the intuition?
Dr. Carnahan: You’ve just said it about as
eloquently as I could. I learned the analytical side,
and I do that well. And I think that foundation
of experience in analytical gives us how we can
actually trust on the intuitive side because we
almost need a database of experience to draw
upon in our subconscious. And so I don’t think
it was bad that I started out that way. But as I
shifted, I would literally say 100% of the time my
intuition is right if I listen.
Lloyd: So this is kind of like your hidden soup of
power because people are coming to see you. And
you’re Dr. Jill. And you’ve got all these [inaudible]
and everything. But actually what’s really making
the difference is your intuition. It’s not all of this
left-brain logic stuff.
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Dr. Carnahan: Lloyd, I think you’re right. And
I just humbly say that like when I’ve learned to
really trust that because, again, medical school
frowns upon that. We are actually literally taught
to have disgust at someone who trusts intuition as

that, or even a higher power. For me, I have a lot
of spirituality in my life. And so all of these things
come together.
Someone said the other day, actually, our mutual
friend, she said, “Jill, what if the fact that you
believe that anything is possible, you believe
that anyone can heal, what if sometimes you’re
allowing the patient to borrow your beliefs
because you’re so strong?” I can come in there
and be like, “I know you can heal. And I believe
that with every cell in my body.”
I’ve seen with my own health. I faced some things
that were completely insurmountable in the
logical sense that I should have not survived. And
I knew in my heart, “I know I’m going to survive.
I know there’s a way. I know I’ll find a way.” And I
never faltered.
It’s that faith, that faith that I can actually lend the
patient and say, “I believe in you. I know this is
possible. You may not believe it. But I’m going to
be here beside you, helping you at each point of
the way. And I’m going to encourage you. And I’m
going to do everything in my power to lend you
my faith.” And I think that that part is also part of
the healing.
Lloyd: And that’s what I want to ask you, Dr. Jill,
is do you know where that faith came from? Was
it like a moment that that faith appeared in your
life? Did you always have it? Or did you get it? Did
somebody else lend it to you?
Dr. Carnahan: Well, as I study our patterns and
our ancestors and our energy, I think I come
from a long string of…Like, my mother, she’s very
simple in some ways, and also brilliantly brilliant
in some ways. And she combines that. And the
peace that I do see in my mother is the faith of a
child.
As we’re children, we just believe we can be
dragons or that we can fly or that we can ride
our bicycle off the hill and all those things. We
just believe it. And it’s actually as we age after the
age of ten that we start to get disappointments
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and we get disillusioned. And we start to believe
the world is bad or people are bad and we can’t
fly and we can’t be a dragon and we can’t be a
princess.
But the truth is as a child, we all have that faith.
So, for me, it’s just like going back to that childlike
state of just believing that anything’s possible and
putting that energy into the world and actually
lending that energy to family, friends, and our
patients that come into my life.
And so I think that I was born with it. But I come
from some ancestors that actually have that same
kind of thing.
Lloyd: And can you tell me? So clearly you’ve
been through some major challenges, probably
more than most. Can you tell me the role that the
self-love and consciousness has played in your
healing?
Dr. Carnahan: Oh, I love this so much because I
went for almost 40 years…Again, I felt like I didn’t
fit in in my family. I was this alien. And I think a
lot of people have that complex, and they never
talk about it. And part of it was because I was this
really sensitive, empathetic, intuitive person. And
in my family of origin, these brilliant people, that
wasn’t their path. And so I kind of suppressed that
piece.
And part of suppressing that piece was disowning
that part of myself and hating part of myself and
not appreciating or understanding part of myself.
And probably the biggest part of my healing,
Lloyd, was actually I feel like you can’t truly love
yourself until you trust your intuition.
So the first step was starting to trust myself and
trust my intuition. And I always say I lived from
my neck up for the first 40 years. So I was all in
my brain. I solved everything here because I had a
really strong problem-solving, right? And I would
always go—
Lloyd: Which was a handicap, actually. You didn’t
realize it at the time.
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Dr. Carnahan: Absolutely. You’re absolutely right,
100%. Like the fact that I can really solve problems
well and I can use the analytical mind was totally
a handicap because I used it here. And I never,
never went below the neck and went into my
body.
And when I started doing somatic work, trauma
work, and going in, and NLP, all of these things,
I’ve done loads and loads of work, and I started
feeling into my body and feeling sensations and
starting to actually, instead of dissociate from
that painful sensation and emotions, started to
embrace it and deal with it and trust.
And my body knew, even if it was painful and let
myself feel sad and let myself feel anger, those
two emotions, I almost didn’t allow myself to feel
for the first 40 years of my life. But when I started
to trust that my body could handle sadness or
anger and feel and allow it to happen, I started to
heal on a whole different level.
And trusting that intuition, my body’s sense of
what’s true and right, was the first step. I couldn’t
love myself until I trusted myself. I’ll give you an
example. After the dissolution of my marriage—I
went through a difficult divorce—and I had
married my husband very young. I met him at
19, married at 21, my ex-husband. And so I didn’t
really know the dating world. I came out of that
at 40, divorced. And I have the experience of a 19
year old. And I was totally like oblivious to that
world.
I first dated a bipolar, borderline personality ex-
cop who ended up committing suicide after I filed
a restraining order. So it was traumatic. Right
after that, I went into a relationship with the literal
criteria for psychopathy, ex-felon, alcoholic. Like,
what, Jill?! What are you thinking?
And sure enough, here I was. I wasn’t stupid.
Lloyd: Somehow you were attracting these
people.
Dr. Carnahan: Yeah. It’s that empath narcissist
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thing, right? And I didn’t know that about myself,
and so I didn’t understand. And the truth is what
happened was in my intuition, every single piece
of the relationship said there’s something not
right here. This is not good. This is not safe.” But
I’d been so good at living here and suppressing
my emotions that I didn’t trust my intuition.
So those two relationships—
Lloyd: Yeah, that’s what I was going to say. These
were like training wheels for the next step.
Dr. Carnahan: Absolutely. Again, I’m grateful for it
because it taught me how to trust, like, wait. Lloyd,
now I will never date any of these kinds of people.
I know immediately when there’s manipulation,
when there’s inappropriate behavior or abuse.
But I didn’t know then.
And they taught me. Both of them, I’m grateful
because both of these taught me how to, number
one, trust my intuition. “This is dangerous. This
is not good. This is not healthy.” Before, I was so
good at suppressing, I would put myself in very
dangerous situations and not even be aware of it.
So that taught me.
And, again, this is back to self-love, your first
question, because I could not love myself. And
also when I didn’t love myself, of course I’m
going to put myself in a situation that’s unloving
because I don’t love myself, right? So the
transformation, now I can’t even imagine dating
men like that. I can’t even comprehend it now
because I trust my intuition.
And I also love myself so much that I only want
kind and loving people in my life. But I had to go
through that to learn. And, for me, the experience
is so powerful. And it’s learning.
Lloyd: Yeah. And consciousness in all of this?
Because that’s one of the challenges of this
event is to help people understand just how
important cautiousness is, how pervasive it is,
how fundamental it is in our health and in what’s
happening on the planet at this time.

So can you talk to that, what this means to you,
consciousness?
Dr. Carnahan: Yeah. I’ve been working on a book
and documentary this year. And we ended up,
the start of our film talks about I knew a lot about
healing. I knew what to eat, what to do. I knew
the supplements to take. But you never know
what you don’t know. And I frame that. I think
it’s an important statement about consciousness
because we don’t know what we don’t know.
So the way that we open ourselves to
consciousness and transformation is, number
one, a connection to something greater than
ourselves because, for me, it’s the divine. It could
be whatever for each person out there listening.
It might be something different. And some people
who don’t even believe in God, there’s still a
connection to something greater in nature or
someplace they find that.
For me, it is a divine thing. And that consciousness
is being opened to that guidance and the
presence of, “We can’t control the past or the
future. But today, if I’m present, I know if I trust
my intuition, I know exactly what the next step
is.” Right now, I’m supposed to be here with you.
This is an ordained meeting. And we are going to
impact the world with our conversation. And I’m
here. and I’m present. And I’m fully present. And
just like we talked before our interview, I didn’t
even know the questions you were going to ask
me. But I know—
Lloyd: I knew you didn’t want to know.
Dr. Carnahan: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But
honestly, that’s how I live best. And that’s
consciousness for me because I can just show up
with my whole heart. And I love you. I love the
people listening. And I love myself. And I bring
that love here. And I know that the things that
I need to say will come. And trusting that is so
freeing because I don’t have to worry. I don’t have
to fear.
And that’s, to me, consciousness is coming to
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a place with you, being present, patient, being
present with you, and just trusting.
Lloyd: Which puts you in your power. And that’s
what we can see. I can see. I’m sure everybody
that’s watching these can see. This puts you totally
in your power because you’re totally trusting of
me and of this situation.
And you’re all good with all of that no matter
what. I might ask something awful. I wish we
could edit out. I wish I would, by the way. We
never do edits unless somebody has a coughing
fit. But, yeah, I love that, connecting to something
greater.
I can only have these conversations with MDs
or doctors of any sort who’ve been through the
kinds of things that you’ve been through. This is
interesting. This is not something you can learn in
medical school, connecting to the divine. What?!
It’s quantum science.
Dr. Carnahan: You’re so right!
Lloyd: Yeah, so the science is there, as we both
know, as well, to support this intelligent universe
that we live in. And we’re just connecting with that
and a beautiful part of it. One is all and all is one.
Dr. Carnahan: Absolutely.
Lloyd: I want to ask you to share some practical
things, and particularly really the key, I think,
which we need to go back and help people with, is
the trust yourself part, how to do that.
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But before I go there, let’s just talk about your
main skillset or what it was, anyway. I think
your main skillset is exactly what you just said,
sharing all of that. That’s where your power
is. But the whole environmental trigger thing,
and particularly the energy of mold. I’m sure
you talked about mold before. But mold is so
pervasive that you can be exposed and twenty
years later, it can still be causing damage and
wreaking havoc in your life.
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So, yeah, can you talk about that, why mold is
literally a health trauma?
Dr. Carnahan: Oh, I love this because so many
people aren’t talking on this level. So, yes, it’s a
chemical. So mold creates mycotoxins. And the
mycotoxins, they create literally trichothecene are
studied as chemical warfare agents in the powers
that be and armed forces and things. But they’re
so toxic to our immune system, to our brain.
And I find this is heaviness, this darkness
that comes with it. And, again, because I’m
energetically and spiritually aware, it’s more than
just a toxin. And I can’t explain it. I can just tell you
it’s true. Anyone who’s ever experienced it knows
there’s just darkness and discouragement and
heaviness that comes with those exposures, as
well.
But what I’ve found is there’s no one who’s had
trouble with mold, including myself—and I’ve had
my own significant struggles with mold—that
doesn’t either…Two things, number one, those
who are highly sensitive and intuitive are more
affected by environmental toxins. The physical
things as well as the emotional things, they are,
again, I think of as the canaries.
It’s the gift and it’s the curse. The gift is you can
deeply feel people. You can connect with people
on a different level. And you can see things and
understand things maybe that other people can’t
because you’re energetically tuning in. So that’s
the gift.
The curse is you are way more sensitive to
chemicals and toxins and emotions and bad
relationships and all these things. You’re also
way more affected by those things. Mold is no
different. So it is a chemical, physical trigger. but
on energetic levels and other levels.
And what I’ve found is that people have old
traumas that they haven’t dealt with that often
connects and links to mold. So, for example,
say I grew up in an old farmhouse with a dirt
cellar where we’d store some vegetables. I have
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not doubt there was mold in that environment.
And so whatever childhood traumas that I
experienced—little t’s; we all have those—might
have been connected to that mold exposure. And
then my body remembers that when it’s exposed
again and relives some of that old. It connects
those old traumas.
So I find with mold exposure, part of the healing
is not just getting out of the chemical, let’s say,
out of your house for remediating or leaving or
whatever. But you will also have to deal with those
old limbic system traumas.
We actually know from the research that just by
inhaling a chemical toxin, noxious into the brain, it
goes right into the cribriform plate and will trigger
the limbic system through the hypothalamic-
pituitary axis.
So chemically it literally triggers a fear or threat
response. And that can tag itself to old traumas.
So part of the healing from mold is dealing with
the old trauma, dealing with the old things,
anything from childhood or otherwise. And if you
don’t address the limbic system in the healing,
you’ll never really get over that. Or you’ll keep
being retriggered.
Lloyd: Yeah. And I can certainly identify with
that because the whole reason I sat here asking
you these questions is because my trigger was
EMFs, my cell phone. And so I did all this work to
mitigate EMFs. And I was still just getting more
and more sensitive. And that was because I’ve
got this programming in this limbic system, this
trigger, which was just like hyper hypersensitive.
This is obviously so relevant to people that have
other sensitivities, notably chemical, a growing
a community, a group of people with chemical
sensitivities, also. And it’s so overlooked. I really
overlooked this for a long time because it’s kind
of difficult to accept that maybe it’s in your mind
that it’s your brain that’s doing it. It’s kind of an,
“Oh, there’s something wrong with me, something
wrong with my brain somehow.”
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Let me ask you for some of your practical tips. I’d
really love if you could share some practical things
that people could do to bring healing and healing
with consciousness into their life, particularly if we
could address this…I think for me the key here,
the really important thing, is this trusting yourself
because everything seems to grow from there,
develop from there.
So, yeah, could you talk to that, please?
Dr. Carnahan: So, yes. A couple things come to
mind. First of all is—and, again, I’m going from
my own experience because I learned the most
there and I think it’s relevant to many people
listening—first thing is we all have ways to deal
with old trauma. And we all have some forms of
trauma. They could be little t. They could be big T
or anything in between. But we all have them.
And we all have ways of dealing with them. And
we can call them addictions. And when I say
addictions, all of a sudden, if you’re like me, years
ago you would have tuned out because you’re
like, “Oh, I don’t do drugs. I don’t drink alcohol. I’m
not an addict.”
But I want you to rethink this if you’re listening
because what I’ve found is we all have addictions.
And some of them could be work, like for me. And
some of them like work are praised and socially
acceptable. So they don’t seem like addictions.
It seems like a highly successful person is not an
addict.
The problem is they may be the worst kind
because there’s no one calling them out. There’s
no one saying, “This is a bad thing.” There’s people
actually praising and reinforcing their addiction to
work. And, again, I’m speaking from experience.
And what happens is we use a substance. Again,
it could be overeating. It could be sex. It could
be drugs. It could be alcohol. It could be work.
It could be even doing good things for people,
but you’re addicted to that because you get
reinforced.
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And what we do with addictions, all it is is a way
to suppress and not deal with our trauma. And
I’m saying this for practical tips because for me,
what I was doing is I was so busy I could hardly
sit still because what would happen when I’d sit
still, Lloyd, is I’d start to feel these emotions that
I’d stuffed down, anger and sadness. I did not
know what to do with them. And I never felt them
because I was so busy working, doing things for
people, saving the world and getting accolades for
it.
And so the healing, the practical tip is I had
to start being still with myself and allowing a
tsunami of 40 years of sadness at times to come
crashing over me like a wave and feeling like I was
completely going to drown and lose it. And every
time I would wash over and it’d be painful, but
I’d survive. And that was the start, number one,
of healing that addiction to being so busy that
I didn’t feel and allowing myself to start to feel
because starting to feel is the first step to trusting
yourself.
If we don’t trust ourselves to be able to get
through a sadness or grief or anger and we
suppress it, we’re not…The start of trusting
ourselves is actually sitting with it and knowing,
“Oh, I can do this. I can handle it. Oh, sweetheart,
you’re going to be okay.” I would literally tell
myself these things. “Get through that tsunami.”
And the next one I’d be like, “Okay, I can do this
again. And now it’s no big deal. I’ve gone through
it. I understand how to feel emotions.”
But when you’re having trauma and you
suppressed it and you don’t let yourself feel, you
can’t trust yourself. You cannot trust yourself. So
you have to be able to sit still and sit with yourself
and allow yourself to feel. And one way to start
that’s really practical is think of your five-year-old
self.
Or while I’m with my patients, I’ll have them bring
up a photo of their younger self. And literally you
reparent that younger self. You talk to them. You
say, “Sweetheart, you’re doing a great job. I know

life has been hard. You’re so brave. You’re so
strong. You can do this. And you’re doing the best
you can and you did the best you can.”
And you can literally reinforce and you as your
forty-something or fifty-something year old self
can change that child experience. And all of a
sudden, that child can learn to trust. And, again,
when we’re talking about child and self, it’s the
same person, right? But we can talk to that
younger self and have compassion.
And that self-compassion, self-love comes from
self-trust.
Lloyd: Yes. I love that. Yeah. Yeah. We’re going
to go back to this. Actually when we’re doing
anything powerful, we’re back to love. We’re back
to how we can bring this into our life. And it’s just
all the different ways of going about this. So that’s
the first important one.
What else can you share with us?
Dr. Carnahan: Sure. So another thing is, so we
talked about how to get to self-love. And then
often we have these patterns. So we literally
have to talk. I often do things like needs. So
suppression of needs is a way to hate ourselves or
not love ourselves. So having needs and accepting
that and asking for needs being met is a way to
transform that.
So one simple way to start is very simply things
like right now, “What do I need right now? Oh, I
need a sip of water.” And then you follow through
by [sips water] taking a sip of water. You’re training
your body if you have a need, ask for something
to be met by your self, and then taking care of
that need. And that is one really practical way to
just sit with yourself for a moment.
What do I need? And it might be I pick up my
phone. I get a drink of water. I sit back in my chair.
It can be very simple. I stand up. I do a yoga pose.
And then you go follow through by actually giving
yourself that need.
Another practical way, I have a little sticky note in
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my mirror in the morning that says, “What does
she need from me today?” And that’s another way
of reinforcing self-love and compassion. And it
happened the other day. I don’t take off work ever
unless I’m in bed with a fever, you know? And the
other day, I was actually a little bit ill. But I would
have probably worked through. And I said, “What
does she need today?” And I said, “She needs a
break.” I would have never done that 20 years ago
ever.
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And, again, medical school taught us unless you
are dying or in the ICU, you show up to work.
Now, covid’s changed that a little bit. But I’ve been
starting to be a lot more compassionate to myself.
And what does she need? And taking a break or
taking a walk or not answering that call because
otherwise we’re on that treadmill of what is
everybody else’s expectations of us, and we aren’t
loving ourselves.
So the stopping and doing something that you’ve
asked what you need and fulfill it and then the,
“What does she need today, you can put that
sticker in your bathroom if you want. And another
piece is often we have these needs where we’re
like, “I want to be loved. I want to be worthy. I
want to belong,” all those things that we all have
in common. But the shift for me happened when I
started meditating and not, “What do I need?” but,
“What do I want to be?”
And it’s so simple, Lloyd. “I want to be in love. I
want to be love to the world. I want to love you.
I want to love your listeners. I want to love every
person I come in contact with.” And I’m human, so
I fail. But I have that desire so deeply.
And when I started showing up just trying to be
love the best that I can every day, love is pouring
on me in every direction. I get it all from people all
around me. But it’s only because I’m not focusing
on that. I’m focusing on, “How do I just show up
with love and compassion to myself and to others
around me?”

And that’s so easy. It’s so easy.
Lloyd: Takes a bit of practice. And then I’m
thinking there’s some people with issues in this
world. We all know people. We come into contact
with…Hopefully we’re not surrounded by these
people. Inevitably, we do come into contact with
people from time to time who are unpleasant.
And that’s a challenge to even love those people,
isn’t it?
Dr. Carnahan: It is. And I’ve found, Lloyd, just like
myself I know I’ve had trauma. I’ve had issues. And
I’ve kind of embraced. And this is another thing:
you cannot love anyone else until you really love
yourself. You really can’t.
But what happens is whether it’s a parent, a
grandparent, a friend, an abusive ex, any of these
things, the way that I can show them compassion,
I can still have boundaries because that inner
circle’s protected my energy. The only people that
get in my inner circle are those who are generally
compassionate and loving. So I’m not going to let
a malicious person in that inner circle. That’s okay
that I set a boundary.
But at the same time, what you can do is imagine
them as a five year old. And imagine the trauma
they had to go through to be so abusive and
mean and awful. I literally can come to tears
thinking about even some of my exes that were
horrendous because I’m like, “Ugh, they had such
abusive childhoods. And they were hurt so badly.
And you have to be hurt really badly to act like
you do.” And it just almost breaks my heart just
thinking about the pain that someone had to go
through in order to be so malicious.
And I can keep them at a distance. But I can
still have deep compassion for what they or
their ancestors, whatever things that they went
through. I can still have love and compassion
because they were just hurt and broken. And
that’s all.
Lloyd: So, I was just doing to elaborate. In doing
that, that’s taking the high road because if we
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don’t do that and then we move into their energy
of anger, of depression, of whatever it is, then
that’s not helping them. And it’s not helping you.
And it’s not helping the world.
Dr. Carnahan: Correct. And if you’re an empath
like me or a sensitive, you have to be very careful
because we’re energetically porous. And it’s
incredibly easy for me to get overwhelmed by
negativity or overwhelmed by someone else. And
that’s the thing. You have to be in yourself and
present because if you start to feel that, you need
to back away. You need to step away. You need to
exit. You can set a boundary. But it’s very easy to
get energetically overwhelmed.
I always picture if you have a candle in a dark
room, that light always outshines the darkness.
And all you need is one little flame. And I can
think of that analogy because all I have to
remember is even though I could be afraid or
feel overwhelmed, if I just channel the light
and goodness and love, that’s always going to
overcome darkness. I always have the upper
hand. It’s a great secret! [Laughs]
Lloyd: Well, it’s not anymore! You’ve told
everybody! [Laughs] Dr. Jill, we’re pretty much out
of time. Is there anything here you want to share
with the listeners and viewers before we close off?
Anything you want to say that you want to get off
your chest and just speak?
Dr. Carnahan: I would just encourage you out
there, if you’re struggling, start with that trusting
yourself, checking in with your heart, checking in
with your body sensations, starting to trust and
say, “Okay, what could this mean?” Explore that.
Be kind to yourself. I literally write a prescription
to patients all the time: “Be kind to yourself”
because that self compassion is the only way that
you can share that with the world.
And then the last stage is loving other people
because that’s the hardest part. But you can’t do
that unless you trust yourself, you love yourself
with self-compassion, and then you shine your
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Lloyd: Jeez. You’ve made this all so easy, really.
I just feel a better person having listened to you
today. And I’m barely exaggerating. Dr. Jill, thank
you so much.
Dr. Carnahan: You are welcome. It’s been a
pleasure, Lloyd.
Lloyd: Thank you.
Thank you, listener, for tuning in and listening
to the Science of Healing and Consciousness
Masterclass. Did this talk resonate with you
today? It resonated with me. I think you can see
that. I’ll encourage you to please go to Dr. Jill’s
website, which is—did I give the website?—is it
JillCarnahan.com?
And make sure to share this event with your
friends. Perhaps add it to your digital library.
Thanks so much. My Lloyd Burrell. Thank you so
much. Bye-bye.

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