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news snoop
REPLY Thu 29 Sep, 2005 04:34 pm
Uncle Jim/Solomon
I was wondering if you have any info about the famous "Uncle Jim" of Treasure Attic
fame? Someone was telling me today that when he gives his "testimony" he mentions
that he was once gay.
I remember reading his comments in an FSM or something that "the lord" told him
not to get married... something to do with loving jesus...
I better stop writing or I may say things my mind is conjuring up at the moment...
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Thorwald 1
REPLY Fri 30 Sep, 2005 04:51 am
Question: What does his sexual orientation have to do with anything? I am being
serious here. That is really only his business, don't you think?
news snoop
REPLY Fri 30 Sep, 2005 06:01 am
Gut feelings
Yes, I may be overstepping my snooping... but since leaving the group I want to see if
I can verify those gut feelings I had.
Since we weren't given the freedom to think for ourselves I'm going overboard I
guess.
Yes, Solomon's sexual orientation is certainly his business... but in the group sex is
EVERYBODY'S business.
evanman
REPLY Fri 30 Sep, 2005 01:33 pm
news snoop
REPLY Fri 30 Sep, 2005 04:48 pm
about Solomon
Oh I see, it is sort of "documented" already. Interesting. Thanks Evanman.
Monger 1
REPLY Fri 30 Sep, 2005 06:30 pm
news snoop
REPLY Fri 30 Sep, 2005 06:40 pm
meaining
Hi Monger,
Well, what I mean is that the Family International is a highly sexualized group... and
their doctrine has each extreme... from "Be a Eunich", to "Rape", to Flirty Fishing...
to Loving Jesus.... and if you aren't sexy enough, then you aren't "revolutionary"....
that's what I mean!
Porceleindoll
REPLY Fri 30 Sep, 2005 09:50 pm
But it is his business ultimately, who he is. I can think of a few other guys though
whom I have put a question mark over, wondering the same thing, and how they
cope(d) with it.
In the group it would have been hard for him to be who he was, if he was gay, and the
group most certainly disapproved and banned gay behavior, how did or would he, or
any other guy, have coped with being homosexual in such a situation?
I have a non-TFI related friend who has found out one of her very long-time best
friends (male) has come out of the closet. Problem is, he's a very devout Christian,
and it's been interesting seeing how she is coping with it (she is very devout as well,
solid belief), and what she relates to me about how he is coping with it, since
homosexuality goes against God's laws.
Acheick
REPLY Sat 1 Oct, 2005 10:37 am
Actually, Monger, Thorwald, I find this to be a very interesting subject and I'm glad
that NewsSnoop brought it up. Just so you know, I am NOT homophobic (whatever
that means).
It's interesting because of the mixed messages Berg sent out and now Maria. I'm
wondering also how they reconcile all this.
We had a "childcare" worker who helped us in Malaysia. He was very nice but we had
no clue he was gay. He used to read to the children at night and we left him alone
with them a lot. I never thought anything of it. It finally came out that he was gay
when we discovered he was sleeping with a "sheep" we were witnessing to. It all
became very confusing then. I think we spent a lot of time praying with him after
that. He finally left and we eventually went to visit him in New Jersey and met his
family and all. He was in a picture in Time Magazine for some AIDs protest. This was
back in the 70s. I'm hoping he didn't die of AIDs.
Thorwald 1
REPLY Sun 2 Oct, 2005 08:46 am
Acheick wrote:
He was very nice but we had no clue he was gay. He used to read to the children
at night and we left him alone with them a lot. I never thought anything of it.
Am I reading you right here? Are you saying that you can not leave children alone
with gay people . . . just because they are gay? Are you assuming that, if they are gay,
they will tend to "pervert" the children under their care? What difference does it
make if you leave children alone with heterosexual or homosexual people?
Homophobia is, in my opinion, just the fear that the homosexual lifestyle will pervert
you and/or your children. However, I find it to be more of antipathy than fear
(contrariety or opposition in feeling; settled aversion or dislike; repugnance;
distaste.)
I understand you are probably not implying any of the above. However, I want to
make my position clear on this.
I am sure people find this all "interesting", however, remember that we are
discussing very private stuff on a very public forum. I don't care how interesting it is,
I still don't think it is any of our business.
We might wish to shift the discussion towards the TFIs stance on homosexuality in
general (their history, their homophobia, their Biblical backup, etc). Let's just leave
the individuals out of it.
Acheick
REPLY Sun 2 Oct, 2005 09:16 am
you know - Thorwald - in the back of my mind I knew someone would read that into
that sentence, and sure enough! OK - I SHOULD have said, and I STILL don't think
anything of it - feel better? I will obey your edict and not discuss any individual's
sexual orientation. Buh Bye.
Thorwald 1
REPLY Sun 2 Oct, 2005 09:23 am
Acheick
REPLY Sun 2 Oct, 2005 03:56 pm
Helga 1
REPLY Mon 3 Oct, 2005 10:11 am
I've noticed that most Christians and esp. the TFI equates homosexuality with
pedophilia. They can't separate the two. If a man or a woman is gay, they are
automatically going to go after your kids? Ridiculous.
Acheick
REPLY Mon 3 Oct, 2005 12:13 pm
Helga my dear - your stereotyping is ridiculous. I already explained that was not my
intention in that sentence - in fact, it was the opposite, but leave it to people wanting
to get on some bandwagon to blow air into nothing. To be quite honest with you - at
this point, I'm nervous around old men being with little children. Ever heard the
term - dirty old man?EVERYONE is a suspect when one has been through what
we've been through. That person I mentioned was a good friend and a great childcare
helper - so my comment that I thought nothing of it was as it is - nothing - so quit
making something out of nothing just to get on a personal bandwagon. I don't think
TF was or is homophobic -(whatever that stupid term means) - I think they are
confused because of Berg's flip flopping and that's what I was wanting to talk about,
but no, we have to get on personal bandwagons - so forget it. Talk amongst
yourselves. And if it's taboo to talk about individual's sexual orientations, then
maybe it's taboo to talk about Christians in a bad light as is more often the case then
not. We are all individuals on our own individual path. Thank you.
Helga 1
REPLY Wed 5 Oct, 2005 10:24 am
Whoa, Achiek, I meant nothing against you. I'm sorry it I came across that way. I just
couldn't resist taking a jab at TF. It wasn't meant for you.
Again, what I said was not meant to be directed at you. I admire you very much. I've
read your story and all your postings and I think you are a very strong and brave
woman.
Peace,
Helga
Acheick
REPLY Sun 9 Oct, 2005 12:09 pm
I'm sorry again for jumping all over you. Peace to you too!
Helga 1
REPLY Mon 10 Oct, 2005 10:53 am
Thanks!
Anonymous
REPLY Sun 23 Oct, 2005 01:22 pm
Anonymous
REPLY Mon 13 Mar, 2006 01:40 am
Thorwald wrote:
Am I reading you right here? Are you saying that you can not leave children
alone with gay people . . . just because they are gay? Are you assuming that, if
they are gay, they will tend to "pervert" the children under their care? What
difference does it make if you leave children alone with heterosexual or
homosexual people?
Same goes for homosexuals teachers in schools. Is it not in their best interests to
teach that homosexuality is a normal thing?
A child's mind can be perverted at a young age. If a child is taught to like homosexual
contact, it is likely that this child will become an adult homosexual. Is this not a good
thing for the gay community?
I would not like any of my children to even know that homosexuality exists. They can
find out when they are old enough to decide for themselves.
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