2°J a VIII. Nov. 5. '59.] NOTES AND QUERIES.
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I have no note of any Cambridge edition later
than 1680, but the book held its ground for many
years, perhaps until " the New Philosophy " drove
out it nnd the study of • logic together. Serj.
Miller, in his Account of the University of Cam-
bridge (2d ed. Loud. 1717, p. 6.) says of the
academic " youth " : —
" For they must in all Probability, in vain bear their
Tutors in their rending Etbicks, tench 'em the Sacredness
of an Oath; when if look but within the Lid of their
Burgtrsdtiius't Logic, (where that taken at their Matricu-
lation is usually pasted) they can't but see One, which
soon after their Admission they forced them to take;
tho' at the time of taking, they'could not know tho Ex-
tent of it, or if they did, their own Reason told 'em, they
could never punctually perform it."
If Watt has described the book referred to by
Prof. D E MOBGAN correctly, I think that the
name Fr. B. must be a pseudonym, as I find no
mention of any one of the name in Cambridge.
Pieter B., the son of Franco, was Pensionary of
his native city, Leiden, but I do not trace the
family farther.
For the substance of this Note I am indebted
to the very elaborate Biographisch Woordenhuek
der Nederlanden, edited by Mr. A. J. van Der Aa
(Haarlem, Brederode, vol. ii. pp. 1583,1584, where
the Dutch sources are pointed out). As, how-
ever, this book is still incomplete, and few copies
probnbly have found their way to this country, I
would refer for farther information to Georgi's
J3iicher-Lexicon, and to the Bodleian Catalogue,
s. v. In Grasse's Lehrbuch (nr. ii. 735, note 48),
several of the more accessible authorities are
named. J. E . B. MAYOR.
St. John's College, Cambridge. ' learned Claudius Salmasius published both these
P.S. I have not quoted what Sir W. Hamilton
says (Discussions, §-c, ed. 1. p. l i d . note) of our
author's obligations to Mark Duncan, his colleague
at Saumur, as I assume that PROF. D E MOBGAN
had that note in his eye when he wrote.
GEOBQE BEBBEBT AND THEOCRITUS.
(2 nd S. viii. 290.)
It is well known to scholars that several short
Greek poems, of the class inquired for by P. D.,
have been transmitted to us from ancient times.
There is some diversity of opinion as to their
authors: some, attributed to Theocritus, being
also referred to Simmias of Rhodes, and others to
Dosiadas, a contemporary poet of the same coun-
try. Most of them may be found in the Cam-
bridge' editions of the Poetce Minores Greed
(Cantab. 1652, 1677, &c), and in Brunck's
Analecta Poett. Gr. (Argentorati, 1776). The
Syrinx appears, I believe, for the first time in the
Roman edition of Theocritus (1516), and with it
also the Securis, Alee, and Ara of Simmias.
In the Heidelberg'edition of Theocritus, Mos-
\
chus, Bion, and Simmias (1596), we have at p.
305. et sq. " Simmiaj Rhodij, Ocufn, Ales, Securis,
cjusdem, vel, ut alij sentiunt, Theocriti, Syrinx,
et Ara." They again occur with, the same quali-
fication in another Heidelberg edition of the
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same poets (1604), p. 207. ad p. 224. Again, in
Lectius' edition of the Poetce Grceci Veteres, Car-
minis heroici Scriptores (Col. Allobr. 1606), we find
besides the Securis, Onum, and Alts of Simmias,
the Ara described as being referred by some to
Theocritus, " 2i/ipiou TOV 'POSIOU Bi'/zor, Kara Se rwas '
QcoKptTov." Even the Syrinx is not included in
Thomas Martin's beautiful edition of Theocritus,
Moschus, and Bion (Lond. 1760, 8vo.).
Fabricius (Bibl. Gr. lib. in. cap. xvii.) does not
decide the authorship of the Syrinx. "Fertur
etiam sub Theocriti nomine Zipryl • • • alij Sim-
mi® tribuunt." Fabricius (ii.) remarks that no-
thing is more precisely known as to the period in
which this Simmias flourished than that not only
was he more ancient than Meleager of Gadara,
who has named him in the dedication of the An-
thology, about the 170th Olympiad, but also that
Philicus of Corcyra, a tragic poet contemporary
with Theocritus, under Ptolemy Philadelphus
about the 120th Olympiad, must have been later
than him. His true age must therefore be sought
somewhere between these limits. The Ocum, the
Ala, and the Securis, are mentioned by Fabricius,
as certainly tho work of Simmias.
Besides the Ara, attributed doubtfully to Sim-
mias, and to Theocritus, there is another, the pro-
duction of Dosiadas, a Uhodian of the same or
nearly the same period with Simmias. The
Arts as the work of Dosiadas (Paris, 1619, small
4to.). His edition includes the Greek text with
a Latin version of the entire six figurate poems,
to which are subjoined his own admirable an-
notations. His original edition having become
very rare was republisbed by Thomas Crenius, in
his Museum Philologicum et Historicum (L. B. 1700,
cr. 8vo.). It includes a treasure of critical learn-
ing.
Mediaeval Latin poetry furnishes many similar
difficult lusus in versification, of which it may be
sufficient here to mention the wondrous work of
Rabanus Maurus, Archbishop of Mentz (ninth
century), De Laudibus S. Crucis, in which we
hesitate whether to admire more the complete
command of language or the devotional feeling by
which it is animated. ABTEBUS.
Dublin.
Your correspondent P. D. will find some ac-
count of what he wishes to know in D'Israeli's
Curiosities of Literature (E. Moxon, 1840, p. 106.),
under the heading of "Literary Follies." The
following quotation may serve for a " sample : "•
"Verses of grotesque shapes have sometimes been con-
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trived to convey ingenious thoughts. Pannard, a modern
French poet, lias tortured his agreeable vein of poetry
into such forma. He has made some of his Bacchanalian
songs take the figures of bottUt, and others of glasses.
These objects are perfectly drawn bv the various mea-
sure of the verses which form the song."
A MAGYAR EXILE.
Edinburgh.
P. D . will find some verees taking their names
from the forms they assume, in a work imi tied
• PoeUe Minoret Grceci, Cantab, MDCXXXXIV. Tue
Syrinx of Theocritus is also attributed to Sim-
lnias, a grammarian of Rhodes. This work con-
tains " Simmite Rhodii Ovuni," " Siinraia: Rhodii
Alse," " Siinmia; Rhodii Securis; vel secundum
alioa, Theoeriti," another Syrinx, inscribed to Pan;
and " Siminue Ara, vel secundum alio3, Theo-
criti." R. C.
Cork.
OLIVER ST. JOHN.
(2 n d S. Vii. 27.)
Although the Query which you were so good
as to insert for me on the 8 th January last, re-
specting the identity of " Black Oliver St. John "
produced no reply through your pages, I am
bappy to state that it led to several communica-
tions being made to me direct, which have af-
forded links in the chain of evidence establishing
the point in question. In the query referred to,
I suggested that " Black Oliver" might have been
the son, or the grandson, of John St. John of
Lydiard Tregose, the great-grandfather of Oliver
Lord Gnmdison. In this conjecture I was cor-
rect. Oliver, the second son of John St. John, is
stated by Edinondson (iv. 3*28.) to have married
the daughter and coheir of — Love, of Winchel-
sea, and to have had three sons, Oliver, Nicholas,
and John.*
It appears from this document that Oliver St.
John and Margaret Love were married before
John Love made his will, which is dated 26th
March, 1593, for in it he bequeaths to " son St.
John and Margaret, my daughter, his wife, all
lands, &c," and, " to son St. John house he now
lives in in Winchelsea." The marriage must,
however, have taken place a few years previously
to that date, for his eldest son, Nicholas, was of
age on 10th May, 6th Jos., when be joined in the
conveyance of certain lands to Thomas Risley.
It appears from another indenture, dated 5th
May, 13th Jas. (1615) that Oliver St. John's two
younger sons, Oliver and John, were then still
minors; that their father was living at Marl-
borough, and that their mother was dead. We
* This statement is confirmed by a document among
the title-deeds of an estate called Troppindeu, in Sussex,
preserved among the evidences of George E. Courthope
of Whilegb, in that county, Esquire.
[2°a a VDL Nov. 5. '69.
have no evidence to show when Oliver St. John
removed from Winchelsea to Marlborough, but
we find his name as nn inhabitant of the latter
town in an Armoury Book of the date of 1606,
preserved in the corporation chest, and the re-
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gister of burials of the parish of St. Mary shows
that " Margaret, wife of Oliver St. John, gent,
(was) buried Sept. 19th, 1606."
After the death of this wife he appears to have
remarried, for the register above quoted records
that " Airs. St. John, wife of Mr. Oliver St. John
(was) buried April 3"\ 1603."
We have no evidence to show the date when
he died, but the will of an Oliver St. John u re-
corded in the registers of the Prerogative Court
of Canterbury in the year 1639, although, un-
fortunately, as stated in a marginal note, neither
the original nor any copy can be found. N o
trace of his burial is found in the Maryborough
registers.
One discrepancy remains to be reconciled.'
Both Edinondson and the Visitation Pedigree show
Oliver as the " son and heir" of Oliver St. John
by Margaret Love. This can only be reconciled
by supposing that Nicholas, who is proved by
Mr. Courthope's document to have been Oliver
St. John's eldest son, died between 1612, when he
released his interest in Troppinden, and 1623, the
date of the heralds' visitation.
I am afraid that this Note is rather long, but
shall be obliged if you will insert it., not only as
clearing up an ohscure historical question upon
which bulu Lord Campbell and Mr. Foss are in
error, but also as showing the usefulness of " N .
& Q." to persons engaged in historical research.
To its pages I am indebted for communications
from several highly esteemed correspondents,
which have afforded me most valuable inform-
ation. JOHN MACLEAN.
Hammersmith.
Heplietf to iHtiior
Seals of Officers who perished in Affghanisian
(2ai S. viii. 289.) — It will, we are sure, be very
gratifying to M B . BAYLEY, and we think very in-
teresting to our readers, to know that No. 1. of
the three seals forwarded by that gentleman from
Futteyghur, upon the supposition " that they had
once belonged to officers who fell in Afghanistan,"
has been identified and restored to the family of
Lieut. F. H. Hawtrey, who fell in Afghanistan
in 1842. The seal which has now, after the lapse
of seventeen years, been restored in so singular
a manner, is the only relio of Lieut. Hawtrey
which his family have recovered; and M B . BAY-
LET may be assured how much it is prized by his
relatives, and how highly they appreciate the good
feeling which prompted him to send the seals to
Europe for identification, E D . " N. & Q."