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DATE
September 28, 2021

DURATION
4m 48s

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Speaker2
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[00:00:01] Speaker1
Exercise

[00:00:02] Speaker2
23b. Page 220.

[00:00:06] Speaker1
And in the light of the controversial new measures to limit the amount of litter and noise pollution on city streets, I have with me in the
studio the right honorable Graeme Busby, MP for Cheltenham, who brought this whole issue to Parliament three weeks ago, and
Alain Richardson, a civil rights adviser from the Citizens Advice Bureau. Mr Busby, I would like to start with you if you don't mind. We
all feel better when our environment is clean and tidy. No argument there, but you're proposing a £500 fine if your rubbish bin leaks
on the pavement somewhat over the top, don't you think?

[00:00:35] Speaker2
And not at all, Steve. I think we grossly underestimate the possible consequences of such an offence and as a result, such a fine
looks a bit steep. But the truth is, it is a very serious issue. Apart from leaking rubbish bins being unhygienic and unsightly, consider
the possibility of an elderly person walking on the grease, falling and hurting themselves. It really is a matter of making it very clear
that there simply is no choice but to be considerate of our environment and our fellow citizens. And finally, I

[00:01:10] Speaker3
May just cut in here, Mr Busby. I think you're quite right to point out the possible consequences of leaky rubbish bins or the fact that
the point needs to somehow be hammered home. But the penalties you are suggesting simply do not fit the crime. I mean, if we start
fining people £500 for a leaky rubbish bin, what are we going to find them for other more serious offences like driving too fast, for
example? Right now, the fine?

[00:01:42] Speaker2
Well, no, no, no. These measures cannot be seen as the beginning of a series of tougher measures across the board. These
measures are to do with public cleanliness and respect for our environment. This government has been trying for a very long time to
convince citizens not to throw litter on streets to make sure that their rubbish bins are in good condition, not to allow their dogs to foul
pavements and parks to sound their horns only when truly necessary, and we simply have not got through. The result is noisy and
dirty cities across the country with things like the Highway Code. There is no need for stricter fines because people respect the
highway code feeling that violating it endangers their very lives. We've got to find a way to convince them that that the environment
that it is just as important to respect the environment.

[00:02:43] Speaker3
I'm pretty sure there are plenty of other ways to convince people to respect the environment more effective ways. In fact, for example,
why not adopt the same method that the previous government did three years ago when they wanted to make sure that drivers wore
seatbelts? There was no increase in fines. Rather, through a well-organised and very extensive information campaign, the
government managed...

[00:03:10] Speaker2
Of course information campaigns can be very effective at times. But I must say again that convincing people to drive safely is a
whole different story. It is their very lives that are put at risk when they don't wear seatbelts. And this is easier for them to understand.
Keeping our streets clean and healthy is harder to look upon as a life or death issue, although it undoubtedly is. So we have to do
something as a government and introducing heavy fines is the only option we have.
[00:03:46] Speaker3
But the fines you're proposing have made people think that all the government is after is more money in the kitty. You realise that this
is going to make people resent the whole business.

[00:03:57] Speaker2
And Ms Richardson, I think the British are a very responsible people and the vast majority of us need no government interference
when it comes to keeping our streets and our neighborhoods clean. The monetary fines are there as deterrents, and I'll tell you one
thing this government will not consider these measures of success if they bring us huge amounts of money. Rather, we will feel that
we have really accomplished something if the few people who pollute our cities through irresponsible behaviour are brought around
to respecting the place where they live and the other people that live there. The measures will be successful only when we can find
nobody for littering.

[00:04:41] Speaker1
I'm sorry to interrupt. Time flies. We've got to go to the one o'clock news and we'll be right back.

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