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(English) - The Alien Agenda - Marshall Vian Summers Interview (DownSub - Com)
(English) - The Alien Agenda - Marshall Vian Summers Interview (DownSub - Com)
(English) - The Alien Agenda - Marshall Vian Summers Interview (DownSub - Com)
the people of Earth and our presence in a Greater Community full of intelligent
life
and what our emergence into that Greater Community will mean for us and can mean
for us,
both the opportunities and the hazards involved in perhaps the greatest event in
human history.
had a personal revelation in 1982, which confronted me with the Voice that had been
counselling me both
And that had a tremendous impact on altering the course of my life. And since then
I have been receiving
a vast body of teachings and insight, commentary called the New Message. It's a New
Message for Humanity.
And a big part of that has to do with our encounter with this Greater Community of
intelligent life because
that has a lot to do with why we're all here in the world at this time.
But we as terrestrial dwellers do not yet have the wisdom or, nor the perspective
so that we as the native peoples of the world do not make the kind of critical
errors
or live independently.
And so this Voice grew in scope and power for me to such a point that it began to
give me curricula to teach.
certainly that Voice isn't here simply to make you feel comfortable
And it was this Voice that asked me to receive the Allies of Humanity Briefings
to equip us and forearm us and forewarn us of what that could mean for us.
the Allies of Humanity Briefings are here to impart Greater Community Knowledge and
Wisdom to us,
so that we may have this contact experience, sort of a position of power and
authority and responsibility.
But the Angelic Voice is the Voice of the New Message, it's the Voice that has
and now is beginning to reach people in other countries and around the world. So
it has been quite an inexplicable journey. So whenever anyone asks me about my life
and how did you
come into this, I'm always bewildered at how I'm going to answer such a thing.
what you could call the higher self or the deeper self
And I know many of your readers and viewers understand this and experience this
Are the Angelic Voice and the Allies of Humanity the same? What is their
relationship?
off-planet communication
that I was asked to receive.
And I should mention that when I was asked to receive this, I was very resistant to
it.
understanding our association, our individual association, with the universe full
of intelligent life,
the things that we do not yet understand in order to function there responsibly and
effectively.
And
I finally relented because after a while, I mean,
And a third set of Briefings, which has not yet been published,
And there's a story behind the Allies which is pretty interesting because they're
really operating as spies here
So we know from our worldly experience that free nations don't get along very well
with unfree nations and
and a difficulty.
And so
intervened
and who can exert much more control over the mental environment,
And so the Briefings are really here not only to warn us, but to encourage us.
Because
what I see in the world today is that individuals and groups of individuals are
losing confidence,
sets the stage for the kind of Intervention that is occurring in the world today,
it's an Intervention
of persuasion and dissonance.
And so it's very important for us, particularly for people who have a spiritual
grounding,
These are the kind of ideas that can really get us in trouble in engaging with the
complexity of life,
Well I'll hold this in contrast to the experience to the Angelic Presence, which is
a tremendous Presence.
when I really was able to face it completely, it had a kind of devastating effect
on my life.
It wasn't a sweet and comforting kind of experience. It was more like being blasted
by radiation. And
if you have not learned to recognize what it is, you might think it is a terrible
thing that's happening to you.
They have never visited the planet. They've never been on the planet.
And they make it very clear that the real Allies of Humanity are not here and will
not come.
no personality,
no presence,
even positioned in our solar system discreetly as they were at the beginning,
but for me it was a very faint experience compared to the experience of the
Presence.
But
when I read the Allies of Humanity Briefings,
And I think especially notable in the Allies is the regard it has for humanity,
a seeming regard that's much greater than, I think, most of us have for our own
selves as a race. I mean we're
We might be fantastic individually, but collectively we don't make a very good show
in our local universe.
it was quite strong. I mean, the words flowed. The feeling flowed.
had real power and efficacy and certainly affected me, affected the people who were
the first to listen to these.
Whereas when you listen to the Angelic Presence speaking through me,
and I listen to that voice and I thought, “I wish I could talk like that.”
I really do. And I mean that. I have tried and I can't do it.
I don't know.
I yield
I hear it as a voice and then that voice locks on to my voice and then I can speak
it and record
I've never been able to write these things down at the speed which they're given.
Receive us.
Receive us.”
It's like a
repeating message.
and my
inexplicable training has enabled me to do that.
Describe the difference between receiving the Angelic Assembly and the Allies of
Humanity.
Completely different.
no presence,
And that's one of the ways that I knew that it was something very different.
And that's why at the beginning I was resistant because I just didn't want to deal,
I don’t want to deal with
and very shocking, and not only shocking in terms of what we don't know,
about the extraterrestrial presence and what it means for our world.
First, they want us to know that there are free races actually out in the universe
and that the universe is governed by nature and no one has been able to overcome
nature.
the more advanced a race is technologically, the greater its need for resources,
and undemocratic,
having access to what it needs from the Greater Community. And we live in a highly
populated
And war has been suppressed in this region of space. Conquest is suppressed.
So if you want to gain influence over another world, you have to do it through
other means.
And the other means have been cultivated to a very high degree.
okay.
And here we are the native peoples of the world thinking that we're in the center
of the universe,
that if anyone would come to visit us they would come to help us, most naturally,
because we are so important
over who will have access to the remaining resources of the world, just one
example.
And so the Allies Briefings make it very clear that those who are in the world
today will present themselves
as agents of change
None of the races visiting our world can live here because of the biological
hazard.
And they'll even use all of our infrastructure. And the reason that this is new and
not ancient is because only
in the latter part of the 20th century have we created an infrastructure that
foreign races could utilize.
The world's been visited throughout its history. There have been attempts to
colonize the planet.
And I think
is to warn us
that there are different races of beings here, but they're all part of an
Intervention.
And there are competing groups
here in the world
to build their
importance.
And certainly, even at this point, they have enough human representatives
and that we must have their health and their brilliance and even their spiritual
enlightenment
in the way that we might aspire to. Now what we don't understand is what constrains
the Intervention.
People say, ‘Well if they want the place they should just come take it. I mean,
But see,
there's so many missing pieces to this puzzle that we can't add
that I think the Briefings attempt to add in the most clearest and lucid manner
possible. I mean,
and will use your strengths and your weaknesses and your adaptability to this
world,
Well first of all, there are no names given in the Allies Briefings.
They do not describe where they're from because they want to protect their free
worlds.
the races who are here because it would be meaningless to us or it could certainly
What is important to us is to know that those in our world today are resource
explorers
and they are working beneath the rules or around the rules of engagement
that are established in our region of space in order to have access to our world.
or denounced,
The official oversight is there's no government ruling the universe, but there are
governments ruling trade.
And trade rules everything for advanced nations that are interdependent with one
another.
You know, whenever I talk about this I have to kind of paint a picture in the
background because
the picture is very different than what most people think today.
the off- planet intelligences and races are either very demonic
or very angelic,
You know, there’re good guys out there that can help us and there're bad guys who
are not going to help us.
those potential groups who were visiting in earlier times are not here.
Because we don't have the ability to discern. We don’t have the subtlety
okay,
because they're presenting themselves as the saviors of humanity.
And
but to determine
our direction.
I'm often also asked, and I never like these questions very much, but I'm often I
asked,
because I've had an opportunity both through the Allies Briefings and through
which go way,
way beyond the Allies themselves,
is that
They're brilliant.
What do we know about the ‘Rules of Engagement’ in our local region of space?
Large nations, if they become involved networks of trade, have great influence over
each other
and it's a very competitive environment.
The universe, our universe that we're going to have to deal with, isn't a big
frontier with a bunch of
And this reality is a very competitive reality. And so the skill in mental
environment, the skill in
the skill of things that we might hold to be very spiritual but now have been used,
or are use, in a very mundane
I mean, once the rules are established everyone figures out a way to get around
them
And it's our naivet’ and our innocence that makes us probably endearing. I think
you get this sense of
you know, some things we don't know that could destroy us.
And not having any idea of what the reality is beyond our solar system is
a tremendous disadvantage.
This is the
complexity that gets really difficult because
different nations have been contacted by different groups.
and then begin to erode the confidence of its people in that nation.
I make this emphasis about war because our whole orientation to space is war,
Star Trek, Star Wars, War of the Worlds, this is where we're coming from as a
people.
We think the universe is just another big battleground between empires and freedom
fighters
and all this kind of stuff, which is a total projection of, you know, our reality
here on Earth.
But
the truth is we're facing a non-human universe.
But we're also facing a universe that, like every other creature, requires
resources to live,
The Briefings also indicate that there are very few worlds in the universe who know
of our existence
because
those who
do know keep it a secret,
fewer competitors.
You know, it's in the, this is the Allies Briefings talk about this,
that most races that become technologically endowed begin to outstrip their world's
resources
and are usually engaged in the Greater Community, not because of their explorations
but because the Greater Community arrives offering gifts, with it, secret plans.
And if we resist they couldn't function here and they destroy the value of this
world.
We're, you know, even today, even in the world with, even without a
extraterrestrial presence here, I mean, we're
You know, this is not, in most places of the world, this is not gun boat diplomacy
anymore.
This is about dependence.
Then without changing their flag or their language, you begin to determine the
course of their destiny.
You don't really want to occupy them because that is way too expensive and
difficult.
You don't want them to resist you because that's way too difficult.
And this is beginning to give us a picture of how nations influence one another in
a Greater Community
I always want to take this into a larger arena of life and also I hope we have time
to talk about
we are in the world today for a purpose each of us. We're here to be in a time of
transition and danger in the world.
And it's certainly going to be part of our collective and individual destiny.
The fact that it's still, you know, barred from the social discourse
doesn't diminish the fact that it's centrally important to our future
he said, ‘You know, there hasn't been anything clean about the extraterrestrial
presence for 25 years.’
And so, you know, we have to look now at what our relationship with this Greater
Community is,
And we're also destroying the planet, the wealth of the planet, a wealth that
others would value,
coal seams. I'm not talking about the kinds of things that we think are really
important.
I'm talking about blood, talking about plasma, talking about cellulose.
The recent Allies Briefings say, ‘You have no idea how important a tree is.’
which will never really inform us of what we're dealing with. And that's what
the Greater Community teachings of the New Message give us an opportunity to step
out of this
and see the universe in a more prosaic manner, not a multi-dimensional, not
Because we have to deal with the manifest reality before we can deal with the
subtle reality.
if we’ve just lost our house, that's a lot more important than our meditation
practice for that day.
And so, it's the manifest reality we have to begin to get a handle on. And that's
not as complex
because this is level confusion. Level confusion is a real problem here because
there are different levels.
But if we miss the fundamental level that we're the native peoples of the world
then we have to deal with it at that level primarily if we're going to be a free
race in the future.
That's the difference. You see, this is where human responsibility or ability to
respond becomes critical.
In the New Message teachings, one of the important things about Greater Community
Spirituality,
I'm not talking about information or book learning or, you know, what we learned in
high school or the university.
This mind operates beneath the surface of our worldly mind, our intellect,
if I can or the ‘high spiritual’ realm, because there's so many things associated
with it,
and your ability to know. This is the part of you that's still connected to God.
It’s not the part of you that’s a soul journeying through manifest reality. This is
the part of you that didn't leave,
that isn't journeying through manifest reality, or it's going with you, but it's
not on that journey.
This is important because this is the source of our strength and our integrity and
our ability to see.
If that does not become the emphasis of an evolving humanity, then we will,
as nations become more fractious with one another, and we're entirely able to make
our own war, by the way.
We’re very good at that. We've been doing that for a long time and nobody has to
teach us anything about that.
If the only nations that could really rally the world are weakened sufficiently
there will
never be a consensus here.
And what influences our decision making is what informs our decisions.
or a place to escape into or a coping mechanism for dealing with a harsh and
incomprehensible world,
At that level you can see this clearly. This is not a mystery.
I’ve gone to conferences and said, ‘This is not a mystery.’ Everyone's like,
‘What?!’
inexplicable and we'll never get it and it's [magnificent.]’ It keeps the adventure
going,
like, ‘This is an adventure in consciousness.
So when I've gone to speak to groups of people and presented the Allies Briefings
in as gentle and
I mean the resistance is just tremendous because it's like I'm taking people's
parade away from them.
I am depriving them of this really exciting thing that's going on and turning it
into
I'd like to talk a little about God, because God is a part of this and
And I think our spirituality is actually one of the core strengths of humanity
We do not need to look for other races to spiritually enlighten us. We actually
have the materials to do that
ourselves and have actually done fairly well in keeping the Mystery alive here,
When I talk about God, I'm not talking about our various belief systems in ultimate
power,
people run into all their dissonance about religion and all issues about religion
or the subtleties of our spirituality. I'm talking about the part of us that is
connected to it firmly
and immutably.
Because if that's the only part of us that cannot be manipulated by any worldly or
otherworldly force,
And I don't think anyone in government really knows how to discern it either. I
don't think there's a secret group
So it comes down to
What people see and know and their responsibility within themselves and to others
because this is
If we're hungry for technology from beyond the world, which is part of the
inducement,
that's non-human,
you can't have a nation full of, run by tribal conflict and warring nations.
all the things that fracture us and are fracturing us further and further and
further,
most of which we're doing on our own. The Intervention can step back and just let
us
but I mean we're doing a pretty good job even if we didn't get any assistance.
We have to become united, not that we're all clones of each other or we all live
under one flag.
But the cooperation is, you know, united we survive the Greater Community,
If we require
I don't care what your political persuasion is, what country you come from,
World Unity
I've spoken to conspiracy groups before and, you know, human unity is just a big
flag.
I'm talking about responsible management of the planet and cessation of human
conflict,
not just purely for moral or ethical reasons, but for really practical reasons.
I mean, we're going to have to protect the arable land of the world.
We're going to have protect fresh water and renew fresh water.
to discern it effectively
or races that could become the Allies of Humanity are not interfering in the world
today
grow and become peaceful and peace loving, they would have to control us to do
that.
Or they would just send their Wisdom, like in the Allies Briefing, they just send
their wisdom.
between sharing wisdom with somebody and beginning to control their life,
in the universe.
And we have things they need and they really need them.
So there's a lot of myths here that have to be blown up about, you know, self-
sufficiency and free energy,
And even if you could harness free energy like harnessing the power of the sun,
whether people believe in God, it's important that they know that there's a part of
them
And that there's a way that that part of them can speak to them and advise them.
there's a part of
us that has to advise us, you know?
Why is that?
‘Oh, we know we're being visited, sure.’ We knew that 50 years ago,
got lots of sightings, got drawings and radar and tons of speculation and lots of
kind of science, pseudoscience,
You mentioned that there is something within people that cannot be corrupted. Can
you say more about that?
In the way that my understanding has evolved and what's been presented to me over
these many years,
that's very wise and looks on everything with much greater discernment and depth.
because if you really had full God awareness, you either wouldn't want to be here.
If you know that a part of you is wise and a part of you is not wise
and you can distinguish that on an increasing basis in your own experience,
then whatever your religious affiliation or belief or ideology might be, you can
relate to this.
You know when I've gone to foreign countries and talked about the Intervention,
they know,
no problem
getting that.
We're being manipulated right, I mean, there's no pretense of freedom and democracy
and,
And so it's this ability to see, recognize and know things that's going to be very
key.
And, you know, it's under the radar of the intellectual conversation.
And
in my view it ends up
because we're never going to fully understand the Intervention and how it works.
We might finally figure out its impact on our governments and the way they behave,
which I think a lot is being done there. I think on our end of the spectrum,
You know, and I want to say one more thing about that if we have time,
one of the arguments for Intervention is that Intervention threatens our economic
interests
and therefore, our economic interests will want to want to thwart Intervention.
Our economic interests are to be the first to be persuaded. If you can give power
no one else has,
Have the governments in the world made deals with the ‘visitors?’
because there're elements in our government, this is what the Allies talk about.
They don't really talk about our government because they don’t really know much
about our government,
Even the government transmissions can be, somebody could sit out there and
read just our entire script, you know what I'm saying?
There are factions within our government that are aware of the Intervention and
support it.
So this becomes very complex. I mean, when we talk about they've all been bought
off, no.
Okay.
Or it is a done deal
and we're just, you know, we're just underlings that are just going to complain and
revolt and,
And this is very important, otherwise you're really going to disempower people.
And it's a very complex situation because we're talking about influence
The other part of this equation is the Intervention itself, what guides it, what
restrains it,
how it has to behave here because it’s being watched by other nations.
And so,
then it looks like we are granting them permission to do whatever they want to do
here.
see what I'm saying? We don't know who's a white hat and who isn't a white hat in
the government and
You can present many things to many people. What can I do? What can the people in
this room do?
I mean, the first thing I think we have to do is begin to recognize this reality is
occurring
If we think it's all going to be our government that's going to negotiate the
outcome,
And
I mean, even if you broadcast on shortwave out in the universe, you know, ‘We don't
want Intervention.
You know, I've gone, I've been invited to speak at conferences and I'll go to these
conferences,
and I'm the only person who questions the extra-terrestrial motivation.
Everyone else is completely sold on this. ‘It's groovy. At least some of them are
good.’
exciting.’ And, ‘Boy!, we're gonna get so much good stuff from these people.’
But we know as human beings that if you want something from someone,
what you think you need or what you think only they can give you.
They're not going to give us real technology we turn into weaponry and probably,
you know, destroy
They're not going to give us, you know, high integrity, because if we had high
integrity
we'd realize we're being messed with and we’d want everyone out of here.
We're not ready for you. We'll let you know when we're ready.’
Listen, the Japanese kept the Europeans out for 200 years
and how they did it was they burned every ship that
but the message got pretty clear. And after a while the ships stopped coming,
right?
So you know, if the Native Americans had done that in the United States we might
have a different nation today,
I would say
We're the only race in the universe that could survive here successfully without a
great deal of adaptation.
We know more about our history and our tendencies than anyone else in the universe.
to empower people to be
strong, effective and compassionate
and...
Because you can't be messing around in the face of the Greater Community.
and we're still, you know, in a very adolescent phase collectively as a race.
We're not saving resources for the third generation out. I mean, we're using up
everything. So,
I think the change in that is a change, not just a change of understanding, but a
change of heart,
This is not about going to change the government, I think that's pretty hopeless,
We're not going to get them to divulge their information because if they ever do,
it probably wouldn't be
whole or complete anyway.
We certainly all have to get our own house in order, personally, individually.
And
And
I look around, I see, you know, many people are on a downward spiral.
They're losing heart. They're losing faith. They don't know how to handle their
life.
So, you know, you have to build the person up if you want to take them into a
battle of
who's going to control this world in the future. And this is a battle at another
level, alright?
okay. We're not going to be clubbing each other over the head. But we are going to
be determining, you know,
And that's why, you know, in my work we present the Steps to Knowledge.
It's available online. You can go read the Allies of Humanity at allies of humanity
dot o-r-g,
go to New Message dot o-r-g and study Steps to Knowledge putting tremendous things
available
but all around the world. And something like sixty percent of the planet has access
to cell phones now.
You know, it's just amazing. And so
The profiteers
in a controlled world.
And,
whatever our race, nationality, you know, we are in this together. This is our
world
We’re going to have to build the kind of networks of cooperation even just to do
that.
And there's nothing wrong with being aware of that. You don’t
have to be terrified
of the world to be aware of that.
to rise to occasions.
The Allies of Humanity Briefings are at Allies of Humanity dot o-r-g. We're a
nonprofit organization.
And the first Allies set of Briefings are up there for everyone to read. It's also
available in eBook now.
One of the seminal works in the Greater Community for us is called Life in the
Universe, which we plan to
publish next year through New Knowledge Library. And we'll send out announcements
and so forth.
Our main website is New Message dot o-r-g. And there you can
see much of the New Message teaching that is available online, both in audio, the
original Voice of Revelation
Greater Community education, all these kinds of things. We really want people to
have access to this.
our will as the people of Earth, our rights, we establish our rights.
We establish the fact that we are being interfered with and we do not hold that to
be appropriate,
and the kind of engagement we would like to have with other nations who
And that's a very powerful document and I think, you know, there's already minds
working on this.
This is, you know, we may think we're alone, we have a small group or maybe we're
all alone as an individual,
and we're trying to put all this together.
I'll deal with the prosaic first. And the things that we can all touch upon is the
fact that
And those things which seemed the most ordinary kinds of things may, in the end,
prove the most difficult for us.
create tension between nations and in communities and within our own personal
lives,
you look out on these beautiful mountains here, and I don't know if your camera can
take any of that in,
beginning to die.
That's because
I'm not sure anyone could foresee. Maybe if people did foresee that in the western
United States alone,
That and the availability of water, clean water, the growing aridity of the world,
And I know there are other people who feel there are celestial forces that are
increasing
I don't feel I really know enough about that to comment on that, respectfully.
But clearly, the pitch of the world, the intensity of things is escalating.
And even if you come to a beautiful place like in the Rocky Mountains here, you can
feel that escalation.
Capitulating into drugs like never before. I mean, this isn't just uplifting
people,
the pitch, the the intensity, not just of more activity, but the actual intensity
of the mental environment.
And to keep your head in all this, you have to become very strong, very grounded in
Knowledge
and very appreciative of the Greater Powers who are here to assist us
And I think that, you know, we have to accept that we're entering into a new world.
And this isn't going to be like the world of our parents or our grandparents.’ I
mean,
it could change our whole idea of religion, could change, certainly, our
governments and their functionality.
And the only way that you can prevent chaos and decline