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From: "Dinesh Nambisan" <dinesh@...>
Subject: Why "Om Namah Sivaya" instead of "Om Sivaya Namah"?
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Would appreciate learned folks here dispensing the reasons behind why
this =
mantra in particular is flipped the other way around compared to
other mant=
ras (e.g. Om Gurave Namah, Om Gan Ganapathaye Namah etc),
surely there is s=
ome spiritual/philosophical/mythological significance?
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From: "Ajit Krishnan" <ajit.krishnan@...>
Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Why "Om Namah Sivaya" instead of "Om Sivaya Namah"?
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namaste,
The mantra comes from the rudra-prashna of the taittiriya samhita. The
style of this prashna is such that namaH is said only once for each
pair of two names. eg. "namaH somAya ca rudrAya ca". So also, the
relevant snippet is "namaH shivAya ca shivatarAya ca". namaH applies
both to shiva and shivarata. In the rudra trishati (where namah is
added to each name), the same mantra is said as "namaH shivAya ca
namaH".
bhavadIyaH,
ajit
On Jan 7, 2008 4:15 PM, Dinesh Nambisan <dinesh@...> wrote:

>
> Would appreciate learned folks here dispensing the reasons behind why
> this mantra in particular is flipped the other way around compared to
> other mantras (e.g. Om Gurave Namah, Om Gan Ganapathaye Namah etc),
> surely there is some spiritual/philosophical/mythological significance?
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From: "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...>
Subject: Re: Mahaganapathi homam update (short & super-short procedures)
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Dear Ramadas ji,
> So why we have to cut short the methods ?
If I tell =
someone to make a twenty course meal and eat it, one will be able to make i=
t only once in a blue moon. If one eats a delicious feast once every year o=
r six months and starves at other times, what good is it? Will it give one =
much strength?
On the other hand, if I tell someone to boil lentils (dal)=

and rice and eat them with a pinch of salt, one will be able to make it ev=
eryday and eat it. It may not be too delicious, but it will taste good and =
will give one strength for sure.
The instruction we received was to sprea=

d a very simple Mahaganapathi homam procedure that can be done everyday by =
busy people of this age. Homam is a very efficient sadhana. Everything is i=
mpure in kali yuga, but fire is always pure. Worshipping Ganapathi in fire =
every morning has an amazing cleansing effect on one. However, any spiritua=
l sadhana needs regularity for effectiveness.
I have performed long homas=

, like an 8-hour long Mahaganapathi homam and a 12-hour long Chandi homam. =
I have also performed short homas on a regular basis, like a 45-minute long=
daily Mahaganapathi homam and a 2-hour long daily Chandi homam. My experie=
nce is that a regular practice does much more to one than a one-off biggie.=
BTW, the 45 minute long "short" procedure I taught in the manual is quit=
e close to an authentic and perfect procedure. Regarding the 15-20 minute l=
ong "super-short" procedure, we too are not too excited by it. But we feel =
that something is better than nothing and that this will be a stepping ston=
e to the other 45-minute procedure for a lot of people that are going to co=
me and benefit from homam.
So many saintly souls are born into challengin=

g circumstances in this age and a great amount of bad karmas is accumulated=
in the mad rush of this age. The amount of sadhana that is needed to burn =
those karmas is difficult to manage within the limited time most people all=
ocate to spiritual sadhana in this age. Worship using an external fire is o=
f great help and accelerates the process of burning karmas and cleansing se=
lf.
Some higher beings have decided that several spiritually inclined sou=
ls are to come to earth in the coming years and benefit from a regular prac=
tice of Mahaganapathi homam. They instructed my guru to spread a short Maha=
ganapathi homam procedure. The divine Mother also appeared to him and clari=
fied that instruction. We are just laying the foundation as per the instruc=
tion received by us. We are just instruments in a big plan. The reason for =
the instruction we received may become clearer after more time.
The proof=
of the pudding is in eating it. If one tries a procedure given in the manu=
al for a few months, one will know what it does.
By the way, I have no pr=

oblem with people doing longer procedures at all. There are many traditions=
and many procedures. While we are here to spread one particular procedure,=
we do respect all traditions.
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------------=
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Do Ganapathi Homam Yoursel=
f: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.c=
om/group/vedic-wisdom
Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.co=
mcast.net
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> OM SHRI RAGHAVEN=

DRAAYA NAMAH
> OM SHRI LAKSHMI NRUSIMHAAYA NAMAH
> Dear Chi.Narasimha,
> Ev=
ery year when I go to my native place on vacation, I perform
> Shri Ganapat=
hy Homam through my Kula Purohit which takes
> place about 1 Hr.Minimum whi=
ch includes installation of Ashta
> Dikpalakas,Installing of Guru Devatha,e=
tc.then putting fire using
> different types of wood,performing of Homa wit=
h Shri Ganapathy
> Moola Mantra,Chanting of Shri Ganapathy Atharvasheersha =
etc.
> offering of Ashta Dravya to Homam,Ghee etc.Finally Pooja will
> be p=
erformed after offering Ashta Dravya Nivedya.So as per me
> this is the cor=
rect procedure to perform Shri Ganapthy Homam.
> So why we have to cut shor=
t the methods ?
> With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,
> Ramadas Rao.
>=
> On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:03:03 -0500 sohamsa@yahoogroups.com wrote

>
> N=
amaste friends,
>
> The latest version of "Sri Mahaganapathi Homam Manual:=
Laghu
> Paddhati (Short Procedure)" is available at the link below. The
> =
procedure has been fine-tuned some more for a better results
> and some exp=
lanations have also been refined.
>
> Also, a super-short procedure with b=
are minimum mantras is
> included as an appendix, as per the advice of my g=
uru. The
> short procedure taught earlier was still too complicated for man=
y
> people and contains several Sanskrita mantras, some from Veda.
> The ne=
wer super-short procedure will allow more people to take
> advatantage of h=
omam. One can do a quick fire worship of
> Ganapathi in 15-20 minutes using=
this super-short procedure.
>
> The section on the benefits of homam has =
also been enriched more.
>
> A new MP3 audio file that matches with the pr=
ocedure given in
> the document will soon be uploaded.
>
> Best regards,
>=
Narasimha
> --------------------------------------------------------------=
----
> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
> =
Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
> Free Jyotish les=
sons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
> Free Jyotish software (Win=
dows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:=
http://www.SriJagannath.org
> --------------------------------------------=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial> <=
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<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> So why we have to =
cut short the methods
?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial> </FONT>=
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>If I tell someone to make a twenty course me=
al and
eat it, one will be able to make it only once in a blue moon. =
If one eats a
delicious feast once every year or six months and starves at=
other times, what
good is it? Will it give one much strength?</FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>On th=
e other hand, if I tell someone to boil lentils (dal)
and rice and eat the=
m with a pinch of salt, one will be able to make it everyday
and eat it. I=
t may not be too delicious, but it will taste good and will give
one stren=
gth for sure.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
><FONT face=3DArial>The instruction we received was to spread a very simple=
Mahaganapathi homam procedure that can be done everyday by busy people of=
this
age. Homam is a very efficient sadhana. Everything is impure in kali=
yuga, but
fire is always pure. Worshipping Ganapathi in fire every mornin=
g has an amazing
cleansing effect on one. However, any spiritual sadhana n=
eeds regularity for
effectiveness.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>&n=
bsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I have performed long homas, like=
an 8-hour long
Mahaganapathi homam and a 12-hour long Chandi homam. I hav=
e also performed short
homas on a regular basis, like a 45-minute long dai=
ly Mahaganapathi homam and a
2-hour long daily Chandi homam. My experience=
is that a regular practice does
much more to one than a one-off biggie.</=
FONT></DIV>
rial>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>BTW, the 45 minute long "short" procedure I t=
aught in the
manual is quite close to an authentic and perfect procedure. =
Regarding the 15-20
minute long "super-short" procedure, we too are not to=
o excited by it. But we
feel that something is better than nothing and tha=
t this will be a stepping
stone to the other 45-minute procedure for a lot=
of people that are going to
come and benefit from homam.</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial> </FONT></DIV>So many saintly souls are born
int=
o challenging circumstances in this age and a great amount of bad karm=
as
is accumulated in the mad rush of this age. The amount of sadhana that =
is needed
to burn those karmas is difficult to manage within the limi=
ted time most
people allocate to spiritual sadhana in this age. Worship us=
ing an external fire
is of great help and accelerates the process of burni=
ng karmas and cleansing
self.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial> <=
/FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Some higher beings have decided =
that several spiritually
inclined souls are to come to earth in the coming=
years and benefit from a
regular practice of Mahaganapathi homam. They&nb=
sp;instructed my guru to spread
a short Mahaganapathi homam procedure. The=
divine Mother also appeared to him
and clarified that instruction. We are=
just laying the foundation as per the
instruction received by us. We are =
just instruments in a big plan. The reason
for the instruction we received=
may become clearer after more time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>&=
nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>The proof of the pudding is in e=
ating it. If one tries a
procedure given in the manual for a few months, o=
ne will know what it
does.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial> </FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>By the way, I have no problem with people=
doing longer
procedures at all. There are many traditions and many proced=
ures. While we are
here to spread one particular procedure, we do respect =
all
traditions.</FONT></DIV>
<=
DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>=
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G=
anapathi Homam Yourself: </FONT><A href=3D""><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>h=
ttp://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
size=
=3D2>Spirituality: </FONT><A href=3D""><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://=
groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
size=
=3D2>Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): </FONT><A href=3D""><FONT face=3DArial
si=
ze=3D2>http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Free Jyotish software (Windows): </FONT><A href=3D""><FONT face=

=3DArial
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=3DArial size=3D2>Sri
Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: </FONT><A href=3D"">=
<FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://www.SriJagannath.org</FONT></A><BR><FON=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH<BR>>=

OM SHRI
LAKSHMI NRUSIMHAAYA NAMAH<BR>> Dear Chi.Narasimha,<BR>> Eve=
ry year when I
go to my native place on vacation, I perform</FONT></DIV>
<=
DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Shri Ganapathy Homam through my Kula P=
urohit
which takes</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> plac=
e about 1 Hr.Minimum which includes
installation of Ashta</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Dikpalakas,Installing of Guru Devatha,et=
c.then
putting fire using</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&g=
t; different types of wood,performing of Homa
with Shri Ganapathy</FONT></=
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Moola Mantra,Chanting of Shri Ga=
napathy
Atharvasheersha etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2=
>> offering of Ashta Dravya to Homam,Ghee
etc.Finally Pooja will</FONT>=
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> be performed after offering As=
hta Dravya
Nivedya.So as per me</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2>> this is the correct procedure to perform Shri
Ganapthy Homam.</F=
ONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> So why we have to cut shor=
t the methods
?<BR>> With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,<BR>> R=
amadas
Rao.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>> <BR>&=
gt; On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:03:03
-0500 sohamsa@yahoogroups.com wrote<BR>&g=
t; </FONT></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Namaste frien=
ds,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> The latest version of "Sri Mahaganapathi Ho=
mam
Manual: Laghu</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Paddh=
ati (Short Procedure)" is available
at the link below. The</FONT></DI=
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> procedure has been fine-tuned some=
more for a
better results</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&=
gt; and some explanations have also been
refined.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2>> </FONT></DIV>
gt; Also, a super-short procedure with bare
minimum mantras is</FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> included as an appendix, as per the=
advice of
my guru. The</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>=
short procedure taught earlier was still too
complicated for many</FONT><=
/DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> people and contains several San=
skrita mantras,
some from Veda.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2>> The newer super-short procedure will allow
more people to take</=
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> advatantage of homam. One=
can do a quick fire
worship of</FONT></DIV>
=3D2>> Ganapathi in 15-20 minutes using this
super-short procedure.</FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
ce=3DArial size=3D2>> The section on the benefits of homam has also
bee=
n enriched more.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> </FONT>=
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> A new MP3 audio file that matc=
hes with the
procedure given in</FONT></DIV>
=3D2>> the document will soon be
uploaded.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=
=3DArial>> Best regards,<BR>> Narasimha<BR>>
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----------------------------------------------<BR>> Do
Ganapathi Homam =
Yourself: </FONT><A href=3D""><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://www.Vedic=
Astrologer.org/homam</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>> Spirit=
uality: </FONT><A href=3D""><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://groups.yaho=
o.com/group/vedic-wisdom</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>> Fr=
ee Jyotish lessons (MP3): </FONT><A href=3D""><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>=
http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
size=
=3D2>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): </FONT><A href=3D""><FONT face=
=3DArial
size=3D2>http://www.VedicAstrologer.org</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>>
Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: </FONT><A href=
=3D""><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://www.SriJagannath.org</FONT></A><B=
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Dear Ramadas ji,
Thank you for your comments and I will give some quick r=
eplies.
> But my intention is when we do some traditional Yajnas like thi=

s,
What is taught in the manual is *not* a "traditional Yajna". Though we=

sometimes use the words yajna and homa exchangably, they are quite differe=
nt. A yajna is bigger in scale, has many many strict rules and is performed=
to achieve some specific goals and performed only occasionally. A homa can=
be big or small, more flexible with rules and can be performed as a spirit=
ual sadhana on a daily or weekly basis.
My manual is only for those who w=

ant *internal* purification and upliftment in the presence of a god in live=
external fire every morning. If someone has specific *external* goals (e.g=
. getting control over a person, defeating an enemy, killing a person, achi=
eving wealth, getting a child etc), it is doable but a lot of rules are imp=
osed on the procedure and it is not easy to learn. I am *not* serving such =
people with the manual.
> we should follow the methods given in the origi=

nal Homa procedure.
Well, there isn't really any single "original Homa pr=

ocedure". There is a set of several procedures that are used in several tra=
ditions for several purposes. All procedures given when there are specific =
tasks involved have some complications and inappropriate to spread on the i=
nternet.
However, there are some simple homam procedures used in the past=
as a *daily spiritual sadhana* and the "short" procedure in the manual is =
one of them.
> Fire or Agni is pure.
And, Agni is *not* to be feared. A=

gni is to be loved, as he can be used as a medium for invoking divine prese=
nce to purify oneself.
Neither Agni nor the god in Agni is to be feared. =

If one is asking for a specific external goal, one better be prepared for p=
unishment when something is messed up. But, when one only loves god and Agn=
i and only wants to purify oneself in god's presence in Agni, I declare wit=
h confidence that there is *nothing* to fear. Any homam procedure one uses =
from the manual or elsewhere will only help one in that case.
> I am clos=
ing this discussion.
Thank you for bringing up some points which enabled =

me to write things that I did not get a chance to write before. It is the c=
omments from people like you that enable me to refine the "explanation" par=
t of the manual and answer more concerns of people! It is the kindness of M=
other that there are friendly critics helping me to refine the document and=
thereby serve more people.
Best regards,
Narasimha
---------------------=
---------------------------------------------
Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: =
http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/=
group/vedic-wisdom
Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comca=
st.net
Sri =
Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
---------------=
---------------------------------------------------
> O SHRI RAGHAVENDRAA=

YA NAMAH
> OM SHRI LAKSHMI NRUSIMHAAYA NAMAH
> Dear Chi.Narasimha,
> I am n=
ot against the method which you have given in your link.
> But my intention=
is when we do some traditional Yajnas like this,
> we should follow the me=
thods given in the original Homa procedure.
> I dont want to elongate this =
discussion.I have given my views and
> others may differ as you said in thi=
s Kali Yuga everything is impure
> and Fire or Agni is pure.So as per me we=
have to follow the age
> old methods to perform this Agni Mukhena Ganapath=
y Homam.
> I am closing this discussion.
> With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama =
Smarana,
> Ramadas Rao.
> Dear Ramadas ji,

>
> > So why we have to cut s=
hort the methods ?
>
> If I tell someone to make a twenty course meal and =
eat it, one will
> be able to make it only once in a blue moon. If one eats=
a delicious
> feast once every year or six months and starves at other tim=
es,
> what good is it? Will it give one much strength?
>
> On the other ha=
nd, if I tell someone to boil lentils (dal) and rice and
> eat them with a =
pinch of salt, one will be able to make it everyday
> and eat it. It may no=
t be too delicious, but it will taste good and
> will give one strength for=
sure.
> The instruction we received was to spread a very simple

> Mahagan=
apathi homam procedure that can be done everyday by
> busy people of this a=
ge. Homam is a very efficient sadhana.
> Everything is impure in kali yuga,=
but fire is always pure.
> Worshipping Ganapathi in fire every morning has=
an amazing
> cleansing effect on one. However, any spiritual sadhana needs=
> regularity for effectiveness.

>
> I have performed long homas, like an =
8-hour long Mahaganapathi
> homam and a 12-hour long Chandi homam. I have a=
lso performed
> short homas on a regular basis, like a 45-minute long daily=
> Mahaganapathi homam and a 2-hour long daily Chandi homam.

> My experienc=
e is that a regular practice does much more to one
> than a one-off biggie.=
>
> BTW, the 45 minute long "short" procedure I taught in the manual
> is=
quite close to an authentic and perfect procedure. Regarding the
> 15-20 m=
inute long "super-short" procedure, we too are not too
> excited by it. But=
we feel that something is better than nothing and
> that this will be a st=
epping stone to the other 45-minute procedure
> for a lot of people that ar=
e going to come and benefit from homam.
>
> So many saintly souls are born=
into challenging circumstances in
> this age and a great amount of bad kar=
mas is accumulated in the
> mad rush of this age. The amount of sadhana tha=
t is needed to
> burn those karmas is difficult to manage within the limite=
d time
> most people allocate to spiritual sadhana in this age. Worship
> u=
sing an external fire is of great help and accelerates the
> process of bur=
ning karmas and cleansing self.
>
> Some higher beings have decided that s=
everal spiritually inclined
> souls are to come to earth in the coming year=
s and benefit from
> a regular practice of Mahaganapathi homam. They instru=
cted my
> guru to spread a short Mahaganapathi homam procedure. The
> divin=
e Mother also appeared to him and clarified that instruction.
> We are just=
laying the foundation as per the instruction received
> by us. We are just=
instruments in a big plan. The reason for the
> instruction we received ma=
y become clearer after more time.
>
> The proof of the pudding is in eatin=
g it. If one tries a procedure
> given in the manual for a few months, one =
will know what it does.
>
> By the way, I have no problem with people doin=
g longer
> procedures at all. There are many traditions and many
> procedur=
es. While we are here to spread one particular
> procedure, we do respect a=
ll traditions.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
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<DIV><=
FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>Dear Ramadas ji,</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>=
</DIV>
<DIV>Thank you for your comments and I will give some quick re=
plies.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>> But my intention is when we =
do some traditional Yajnas like
this,</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>W=
hat is taught in the manual is *not* a "traditional Yajna". Though we
some=
times use the words yajna and homa exchangably, they are quite different. A=
yajna is bigger in scale, has many many strict rules and is performed to =
achieve
some specific goals and performed only occasionally. A homa can be=
big or small,
more flexible with rules and can be performed as a spiritua=
l sadhana on a daily
or weekly basis.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>My manu=
al is only for those who want *internal* purification and upliftment
in th=
e presence of a god in live external fire every morning. If someone has
sp=
ecific *external* goals (e.g. getting control over a person, defeating an
=
enemy, killing a person, achieving wealth, getting a child etc), it is=
doable but a lot of rules are imposed on the procedure and it is not easy=
to
learn. I am *not* serving such people with the manual.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbs=
p;</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>> we should follow the methods given in the original=
Homa
procedure.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Well, there isn't real=
ly any single "original Homa procedure". There is a
set of several procedu=
res that are used in several traditions for several
purposes. All procedur=
es given when there are specific tasks involved have some
complications an=
d inappropriate to spread on the internet.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>How=
ever, there are some simple homam procedures used in the past as a
*daily =
spiritual sadhana* and the "short" procedure in the manual is one of
them.=
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>> Fire or Agni is pure.</DIV>
<DIV> <=
/DIV>
<DIV>And, Agni is *not* to be feared. Agni is to be loved, as he can =
be used as
a medium for invoking divine presence to purify oneself.</DIV>
=
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Neither Agni nor the god in Agni is to be feared. If=
one is asking for a
specific external goal, one better be prepared f=
or punishment when
something is messed up. But, when one only loves god an=
d Agni and only wants to
purify oneself in god's presence in Agni, I decla=
re with confidence that there
is *nothing* to fear. Any homam procedure on=
e uses from the manual or elsewhere
will only help one in that case.</DIV>=
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>> I am closing this discussion.<BR> </DIV>
=
<DIV>Thank you for bringing up some points which enabled me to write things=
that
I did not get a chance to write before. It is the comments from peop=
le like you
that enable me to refine the "explanation" part of the manual =
and answer more
concerns of people! It is the kindness of Mother that ther=
e are friendly critics
helping me to refine the document and thereby serve=
more people.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DAria=
l>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------------------------------------=
------------------------<BR>Do
Ganapathi Homam Yourself: </FONT><A href=3D=
""><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</FONT>=
</A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>Spirituality: </FONT><A href=3D""><FON=
T face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom</FONT><=
/A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): </FONT><A h=
ref=3D""><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net</F=
ONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>Free Jyotish software (Windows): <=
/FONT><A href=3D""><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://www.VedicAstrologer.=
org</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sri
Jagannath Centre (SJC) w=
ebsite: </FONT><A href=3D""><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://www.SriJaga=
nnath.org</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>----------------------=
--------------------------------------------</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> =
;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana>> O SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH<BR></FON=
T>> OM SHRI
LAKSHMI NRUSIMHAAYA NAMAH<BR>> Dear Chi.Narasimha,<BR>&g=
t; I am not against
the method which you have given in your link.</DIV>
<D=
IV>> But my intention is when we do some traditional Yajnas like
this,<=
/DIV>
<DIV>> we should follow the methods given in the original Homa
pr=
ocedure.</DIV>
<DIV>> I dont want to elongate this discussion.I have giv=
en my views
and</DIV>
<DIV>> others may differ as you said in this Kali=
Yuga everything is
impure</DIV>
<DIV>> and Fire or Agni is pure.So as =
per me we have to follow the age</DIV>
<DIV>> old methods to perform thi=
s Agni Mukhena Ganapathy Homam.<BR>> I am
closing this discussion.<BR>&=
gt; With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama
Smarana,<BR>> Ramadas Rao.</DIV>
<D=
IV> </DIV>
<DIV>
>> Dear Ramadas ji,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> </FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> > So why we have to cut =
short the methods
?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> </FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> If I tell someone to make a twenty course
m=
eal and eat it, one will</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> be =
able to make it only once in a blue moon. If one
eats a delicious</FONT></=
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> feast once every year or six months and s=
tarves at
other times,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> what good=
is it? Will it give one much
strength?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DAri=
al>> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> On the other hand, if I =
tell someone to boil lentils
(dal) and rice and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
ce=3DArial>> eat them with a pinch of salt, one will be able to
make it=
everyday</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> and eat it. It may not =
be too delicious, but it will
taste good and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial>> will give one strength for sure.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> The instruction w=
e received was to spread a very
simple</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DAria=
l>> Mahaganapathi homam procedure that can be done
everyday by</FONT></=
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> busy people of this age. Homam is a very =
efficient
sadhana.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> Everything is=
impure in kali yuga, but fire is always
pure.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
e=3DArial>> Worshipping Ganapathi in fire every morning has an
amazing<=
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> cleansing effect on one. However,=
any spiritual
sadhana needs</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> reg=
ularity for effectiveness.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> </FONT=
></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> I have performed long homas, like an 8=
-hour long
Mahaganapathi</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> homam a=
nd a 12-hour long Chandi homam. I have also
performed</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><F=
ONT face=3DArial>> short homas on a regular basis, like a 45-minute long=
daily</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> Mahaganapathi homam and a=
2-hour long daily Chandi
homam.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>>=
My experience is that a regular practice does much
more to one</FONT></DI=
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> than a one-off biggie.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><F=
ONT face=3DArial>> </FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial>
<DIV><FONT face=3DAr=
ial>> BTW, the 45 minute long "short" procedure I taught in
the manual<=
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> is quite close to an authentic an=
d perfect procedure.
Regarding the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>&g=
t; 15-20 minute long "super-short" procedure, we too are
not too</FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> excited by it. But we feel that something =
is better
than nothing and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> that =
this will be a stepping stone to the other
45-minute procedure</FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> for a lot of people that are going to come a=
nd
benefit from homam.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> </FONT></=
DIV>
<DIV>> So many saintly souls are born into challenging circums=
tances
in</DIV>
<DIV>> this age and a great amount of bad karmas is acc=
umulated in the</DIV>
<DIV>> mad rush of this age. The amount of sadhana=
that is needed to</DIV>
<DIV>> burn those karmas is difficult to m=
anage within the limited
time</DIV>
<DIV>> most people allocate to spir=
itual sadhana in this age. Worship</DIV>
<DIV>> using an external fire i=
s of great help and accelerates the</DIV>
<DIV>> process of burning karm=
as and cleansing self.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> </FONT></D=
IV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> Some higher beings have decided that=
several
spiritually inclined</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> so=
uls are to come to earth in the coming years and
benefit from</FONT></DIV>=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> a regular practice of Mahaganapathi homam.

T=
hey instructed my</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> guru to sp=
read a short Mahaganapathi homam procedure.
The</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
ce=3DArial>> divine Mother also appeared to him and clarified that
inst=
ruction.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> We are just laying the f=
oundation as per the
instruction received</FONT></DIV>
rial>> by us. We are just instruments in a big plan. The
reason for the=
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> instruction we received may beco=
me clearer after more
time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> </FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> The proof of the pudding is in eatin=
g it. If one
tries a procedure</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> g=
iven in the manual for a few months, one will know
what it does.</FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> </FONT></DIV>
By the way, I have no problem with people doing
longer</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>=
<FONT face=3DArial>> procedures at all. There are many traditions and
m=
any</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> procedures. While we are here=
to spread one
particular</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> proced=
ure, we do respect all traditions.</FONT></DIV>
; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>> Best rega=
rds,<BR>>
Narasimha<BR></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></F=
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Namaste. It does seem that=

there are an infinite number of demands
on our schedules today compared to=
the past! People today are
riddled with jobs, classes, active Internet liv=
es, family, a barrage
of information coming at us, etc., etc. To add Yoga, =
meditation and
a satisfying spiritual life on top of all this often seems p=
retty
daunting.
The idea of spiritual life is ultimately one of balance. T=

he path of
Yoga teaches us that balance in all things is necessary to make
=
spiritual progress. In the Bhagavad Gita, for example, Sri Krishna
says:
"=
One can have no success in Yoga if one eats too much or eats too
little. No=
r can one be successful if one sleeps too much or does not
sleep enough." (=
B.G. 6:16)
We are meant to practice Yoga in a way that is healthy, realist=

ic,
and conducive to advancement. Thus, we have to avoid extremes in our
li=
fe, and live our life in such a way that we can come to a happy
compromise =
with A) our sadhana (practice) and B) our duties in life.
As far as knowin=
g where the line lies between balance and obsession,
that will vary in acco=
rdance with the individual. A good indicator
that you may be over-extending=
yourself in sadhana at the expense of
the other important aspects of your =
life is precisely when sadhana
begins to be seen as a burden rather than a =
joy, and to produce
anxiety rather than peace.
When we are performing asan=

as, for example, we know that we have
pushed our bodies too far when an asa=
na has gone from being merely
challenging to being painful. At that point, =
we are being given a
hint by our body that it is time to pull back a little=
, and if we go
further, we may end up injuring ourselves.
In the same way =

that we need to hear and respect what our body is
communicating to us in as=
ana, we also need to hear what our inner
self is telling us with our sadhan=
a practice. It is important always
to challenge ourselves in a healthy and =
progressive manner. But if
we go beyond that fine line from challenge to un=
healthy extremes,
then we need to adjust ourselves accordingly and reassess=
how much we
can do in accordance with our capabilities, the time we have, =
our
other demands in life, and our goal in spiritual practice.
If, on the =
other hand, our problem is not just that we feel that
we're pushing ourselv=
es too much spiritually, but that we actually
want to perform more sadhana =
but simply do not have the time, then
this is a different concern. This is =
still a matter of balance, but it
is now one of a balance of priorities. In=
this case, there are several
options that one can follow. These include: A=
) reassessing just how
important other specific, non-spiritual activities a=
re to one's
life. Are there some activities =96 even just one or two =96 th=
at can be
put on hold or scaled down to give you more time? Can you take on=
e
less class, work a few less hours a week, or make some other minor
adjust=
ments? B) Another course of action is maximizing the time you
do have, doin=
g things more efficiently as much as is feasible.
What spiritual practitio=

ners often find is that, interestingly, when
we take somewhat of a leap of =
faith and put our spiritual life first,
what then happens is that the rest =
of our life quite naturally
becomes more balanced and efficient. When we ma=
ke room in our lives
for meditation, Yoga, and spirituality in general, we =
consequently
find the energy, inspiration, focus, and determination to maxi=
mize
what we're doing in the rest of our lives.
While the four ashramas (t=

he four successive stages of life in
Hinduism: a) student life, b) married =
life, c) retired life, d) a life
of complete dedication to spirituality) ar=
e certainly excellent guides
as to how we should structure our lives in acc=
ordance with where we
find ourselves in the ashrama time-frame, as people l=
iving in the
modern world, we also have to make whatever adjustments are ne=
cessary
giving thought to our present demands and lifestyles.
For many of =
us, for example, we might be in the grihastha (married)
stage, but also fin=
d ourselves as students (brahmacharya). Or some
might be in the student sta=
ge, but also be married and having to work
at least part time. So, ideally =
we are meant to follow one ashrama at
a time, but if we need to make some a=
djustments for our own situation,
that's fine.
The best way to see stages =

and categories in Vedic culture (whether
ashramas, varnas, yugas, etc.) is =
to see the boundaries between each
to be somewhat fluid. Rather than seeing=
such stages as strict,
compartmental categories where one ends and the oth=
er abruptly
begins, the following might be a good analogy to understand the=
se
stages better:
Such stages are similar to the area between the land and=
the sea on a
beach. While one can clearly distinguish land from water, at =
the
same time it is difficult to say exactly where one begins and the
other=
ends. In the same way, if we find ourselves clearly in one
ashrama, while =
still performing some duties of another ashrama out of
necessity, that's fi=
ne. Guidelines like ashrama are meant to enhance
our spiritual life, and no=
t hamper it.
For the eight limbs of Yoga, in the beginning stages we often=

have no
choice but to incrementally add one limb after another over a peri=
od
of time=85again, mostly do to a lack of time in our lives. However, it
i=
s not the case that we need to perfect our practice of one limb
before proc=
eeding to another. Rather, we're meant ultimately to be
following all eight=
limbs simultaneously =96 from Yama/Niyama to
Samadhi.
I hope this was hel=

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Dear Ajit,
> Traditions are different in different places of the country.=

I have
> not heard of the installation of dik-palakas as part of
> ganapat=
hi-homam before (it is customary to do archana to them since
> they adorn t=
he homa-kunda as a part of any homa, and that is found in
> Sri. Narasimha'=
s procedure as well).
You are right - there are different traditions. I t=

oo have not seen the installation of dik-palakas as part of Mahaganapathi h=
omam before. As you said, we pray to dikpalakas on the 8 or 10 corners of h=
oma kundam as a part of every homa, but installing them before the homa is =
new.
However, installation of dikpalakas happens traditionally in some ot=
her homas such as Chandi homam. In a traditional Chandi homam, we install t=
ens of deities including the ten dikpalakas, in separate kalashas on a big =
peetham before starting the homam. They are arranged in a specific way on a=
specific yantra drawn on rice with turmeric and vermilion. We pray to them=
and then do the fire ritual.
Though I know that I will ruffle some feath=

ers with this, I must make a related point. The point of a homam is to call=
deities in fire (as fire is a purer and better medium to host their energy=
than an idol or a water pot) and offer mantras. Though there is some proce=
dure before starting fire, care should taken so that one spends a majority =
of the time worshipping in fire. That is the basic idea of a homam. While s=
ome priests do that, I have seen some who miss the point and do a lot of th=
e procedure before starting the fire and spend a minimal time with the fire=
. For the best results, maximize the time your spend with fire and offer mo=
re and more mantra to the deity in fire.
> In my native place, the tradit=

ional homa only takes half that time,
> and it is not due to shortcuts.
I=
ndia's Kerala state (aren't you from there?) used to have a community of le=
arned Brahmanas who would do an half hour Ganapathi homam every morning bef=
ore leaving the house. What a great sadhana! Even if one is carrying a lot =
of bad karmas, such a powerful sadhana will eventually free one. Hopefully,=
such a community - spread across the entire world - will be created in the=
next 100 years.
This is Kali yuga. Bad karmas are accumulated very quick=

ly. Even a pure soul who took birth with very few bad karmas accumulates en=
ough of them by the age of 20 that it takes heavy sadhana thereafter to bur=
n them! Then what of those who are *born* with many bad karmas?
Whether y=
ou do homam or something else, spiritual sadhana to burn karmas and overcom=
e ego is a must for every thinking human being. Use the human birth to do y=
our dharma, purify yourself and overcome ego. Kali does everything to make =
you forget your dharma, add impurities to your system and feed your ego fur=
ther. That is the nature of Kali.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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> namaste,
>
>=
> So as per me this is the correct procedure to perform Shri Ganapthy Homa=
m.So why we have to cut short the methods ?
>
> I believe this is answered=
in misconception #2 (found on page 4 of Sri
> Narasimha's document).
>
> =
Traditions are different in different places of the country. I have
> not h=
eard of the installation of dik-palakas as part of
> ganapathi-homam before=
(it is customary to do archana to them since
> they adorn the homa-kunda a=
s a part of any homa, and that is found in
> Sri. Narasimha's procedure as =
well). Please do give some details or
> how this is performed in ganapathi-=
homa in your native area.
>
> > takes place about 1 Hr.Minimum
>
> In my =
native place, the traditional homa only takes half that time,
> and it is n=
ot due to shortcuts.
>
> bhavadIyaH,
>
> ajit
>
>
> On 5 Jan 200=
8 05:14:33 -0000, Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao@...> wrote:
> >
> > OM SHRI RAGHA=
VENDRAAYA NAMAH
> > OM SHRI LAKSHMI NRUSIMHAAYA NAMAH
> > Dear Chi.Narasimh=
a,
> > Every year when I go to my native place on vacation, I perform Shri =
Ganapathy Homam through my Kula Purohit which takes place about 1 Hr.Minimu=
m which includes installation of Ashta Dikpalakas,Installing of Guru Devath=
a,etc.then putting fire using different types of wood,performing of Homa wi=
th Shri Ganapathy Moola Mantra,Chanting of Shri Ganapathy Atharvasheersha e=
tc.offering of Ashta Dravya to Homam,Ghee etc.Finally Pooja will be perform=
ed after offering Ashta Dravya Nivedya.So as per me this is the correct pro=
cedure to perform Shri Ganapthy Homam.So why we have to cut short the metho=
ds ?
> > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,
> > Ramadas Rao.
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ana to them
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and that is found
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=3DArial size=3D2>You are right - there are different traditions. I
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ve not seen the installation of dik-palakas as part of Mahaganapathi homam =
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Chandi homam, we install tens of deities including the ten dikpalakas, in =
separate kalashas on a big peetham before starting the homam. They are arr=
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make a related point. The point of a homam is to call deities in
fire (as =
fire is a purer and better medium to host their energy than an idol or
a w=
ater pot) and offer mantras. Though there is some procedure before starting=
fire, care should taken so that one spends a majority of the time worship=
ping in
fire. That is the basic idea of a homam. While some priests do tha=
t, I have seen
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>India's Kerala state (aren't you fro=
m there?) used
to have a community of learned Brahmanas who would do an ha=
lf hour Ganapathi
homam every morning before leaving the house. What a gre=
at sadhana! Even if one
is carrying a lot of bad karmas, such a powerful s=
adhana will eventually free
one. Hopefully, such a community - spread=
across the entire world -
will be created in the next 100 years.</FO=
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ace=3DArial size=3D2>This is Kali yuga. Bad karmas are accumulated very
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ickly. Even a pure soul who took birth with very few bad karmas accumulates=
enough of them by the age of 20 that it takes heavy sadhana thereafter to=
burn
them! Then what of those who are *born* with many bad karmas?</FONT>=
</DIV>
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a to burn karmas and overcome ego is a must for every thinking human
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. Use the human birth to do your dharma, purify yourself and overcome ego. =
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mi=
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<BR>> Traditions are different in different places of the country. I=
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adorn the homa-kunda as a part of any homa, and that is found i=
n<BR>> Sri.
Narasimha's procedure as well). Please do give some details=
or<BR>> how this
is performed in ganapathi-homa in your native area.<B=
R>> <BR>> > takes
place about 1 Hr.Minimum<BR>> <BR>> In my=
native place, the traditional
homa only takes half that time,<BR>> and=
it is not due to shortcuts.<BR>>
<BR>> bhavadIyaH,<BR>> <BR>>=

ajit<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> =
On 5 Jan 2008 05:14:33 -0000, Ramadas Rao
<ramadasrao@...> wrote:<BR=
>> ><BR>> > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA
NAMAH<BR>> > OM SHRI =
LAKSHMI NRUSIMHAAYA NAMAH<BR>> > Dear
Chi.Narasimha,<BR>> > Ev=
ery year when I go to my native place on vacation,
I perform Shri Ganapath=
y Homam through my Kula Purohit which takes place about 1
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includes installation of Ashta Dikpalakas,Installing of Guru
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with Sh=
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etc.o=
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after offering Ashta Dravya Nivedya.So as per me this is the correct proced=
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are =
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=
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was consecrated in 2003, has 12 separate
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Namaste dear Manjunath ji,
All the best for Mahaganapathi homam. I expect=

to upload the mp3 for the latest manual in 2 weeks. Yes, I realize that au=
dio helped, and will help, many.
Chandi homam is quite powerful. If one w=

ith strong desires performs it well for a period of time, one can fulfil mo=
st desires. Thus, there is scope for abuse. On the other hand, if one perfo=
rms it well for a period of time without much desire, She can put one on th=
e fast track and give a high level of detachment and very quick spiritual p=
rogresss. It can sometimes be too quick for the person.
Chandi (also refe=

rred to in the saptashati as "Narayani" or the energy of Narayana) is the u=
nification of various energies represented by Braahmi, Vaishnavi, Maheswari=
, Koumari, Vaaraahi, Kaali etc. She is the union of Mahakaali, Mahalakshmi =
and Mahasaraswati - three root energies behind the creation, sustenance and=
destruction of this universe. If someone is ready to worship that *primord=
ial energy* in fire, I can give some instructions privately. But there are =
no plans to create a Chandi homam manual like Mahaganapathi homam manual.
=
Best regards,
Narasimha
--------------------------------------------------=
----------------
Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.or=
g/homam
Free Jyoti=
sh lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
Free Jyotish software =
(Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) websit=
e: http://www.SriJagannath.org
--------------------------------------------=
----------------------
> Dear Narasimha ji...
>
> Many thanks for your=
post on how to do ganapathi homam... am planning to
> learn & do the 15 mi=
n homam asap, probably then will move on to the 45
> mins procedure
>
> =
Kindly advice when we may expect the mp3 mantra file for the homam. this
> =
will really speed up our learning & get to 'hands-on' sooner
>
> Also, i=
s the chandi homan, you mention below also going to have a
> simpler ( simi=
lar to ganapathi homam) version for beginners
>
> with sincere regards
> =
Manju
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: sohamsa@yahoogroups.=
com [mailto:sohamsa@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao
> =
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 6:04 AM
> To: sohamsa@yahoogroups.com
> Subj=
ect: [sohamsa] Re: Some analysis needed..I request your Kind
> Attention..
=
>
>
>
> Namaste dear Vighnesh ji,
>
> You have the 10th lord in 10th. =
You should use Chaturaseeti sama dasa
> (84 year dasa) in your chart.
>
>=
In 1998, you were running Venus dasa Moon antardasa. Venus is the 6th
> lo=
rd and Moon is the 8th lord in 6th with 12th lord Ketu.
>
> I feel that y=
our dasamsa lagna should be Pi and not Ar. So I changed the
> birthtime to =
13:47. The 6th lord Sun in lagna with Moon and Venus can
> explain ayurveda=
work, while 10th lord Jupiter in Sc can explain the
> astrology work.
>
=
> Marriage was in Venus-Saturn antardasa (as per Chaturaseeti sama dasa).
>=
Venus is karaka and Saturn is the upapada lord in rasi and the 7th lord
> =
in navamsa.
>
> You are running Saturn dasa. Unfortunately, there is no R=
ahu dasa in
> Chaturaseeti sama dasa and he gives his results in Saturn das=
a. Rahu is
> quite bad for you.
>
> He is the 2nd lord of wealth and he i=
s in gandantha in 12th. He shows
> big losses. It is not a time to invest a=
nd take risks.
>
> Moreover, Rahu and Saturn take part in Braahmana Shaap=
a yoga and Maatru
> shaapa yoga.
>
> Durga Saptashati is the best solutio=
n to 2nd lord Rahu in 12th in
> gandantha.
>
> I see that you do a lot of=
mantras. If one wants water, one should dig
> in one place. Instead of dig=
ging 10 ft in 20 places, one can dig 200 ft
> in one place and then one is =
guaranteed to find water. You were born in
> this family and received a lot=
of religious and spiritual foundation in
> this life. You are very lucky. =
But it also raises the bar for you. Gods
> accept a small prayer from an un=
educated man, but one with a lot of
> resources and learning like you is ex=
pected to do heavy sadhana and then
> only gods are pleased. You enjoyed th=
e low-hanging fruits in the
> previous lives and now you have to read the t=
opmost branches to enjoy
> some fruit.
>
> Instead of doing 10-20 mantras=
, you should stick to one mantra until you
> fully experience that mantra a=
nd the devata of the mantra. Then you can
> move on to another mantra. So m=
y humble suggestion is to stick to one
> mantra or sadhana and maximize you=
r efforts in it. A time should come
> when one completely forgets self, the=
body etc and the whole world
> reverberates with the mantra and the deity =
comes before/within one. Then
> only the sadhana is complete. When sadhana =
in one mantra is incomplete,
> why do more sadhanas?
>
> Homam (fire ritu=
al) is more effective than worshipping an idol or a
> kalasham. If you can =
learn Chandi homam in laghu paddhati (2 hours) and
> do it once in the morn=
ing and once in the evening (or atleast once in
> the day) for 128 days, yo=
u should see a big improvement in your material
> and spiritual lives.
>
=
> With some heavy sadhana with Chandi patham/homam, you can recover most
> =
of your investment and minimize the loss. But, in future, do not make
> any=
risky investments. This is not your time to do such things.
>
> Best reg=
ards,
> Narasimha
> -------------------------------------------------------=
-----------
> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/h=
omam
> Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
> Free Jyot=
ish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
> Free Jyotish softwa=
re (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) w=
ebsite: http://www.SriJagannath.org
> -------------------------------------=
-----------------------------
>
> > Narasimha Rao <pvr@>
> > =
> > Dear Narasimhanji, Vedokta Namskaram,

> >
> > Af=
ter going through your prediction, It arouse my interest to ask
> you a qus=
tion on my horoscope. Kindly excuse me for taking your valuable
> time.Than=
king you for patience shown in reading my lengthy naration.
> > I am confus=
ed and lack of direction. Please throw some light upon the
> following horo=
scope details.
> > I have 5 grahas in exaltation and still I am strugnlin=
g a lot at
> this age of 53 years. Please help me to come out these bad kar=
mic and
> tell me what I have to do to remedy for the present condition...
=
> > Whatever I earned I spend 65% of the money for doing puja, visiting
>=
temples, gifting to Brahmins.. That is only strength for me.Since from
> m=
y childhood I use to recite Devi Patam and even now after taking
> initiati=
on from respected esteemed guru, I receit Durga Sapta Sati and I
> continue=
to do.
> >
> > I Can master any subject so quickly and I will almos=
t lead so much
> after which I leave it as it may not produce enough income=
to me.
> > So by the way I did my Accountacy Bachelor Degree1972 - 76 w=
ith
> Great difficulty and as per father wish I took CA and I left
> unfini=
shed1980-83.
> > Then I was searching for a suitable job, by the time
>=
> I learnt Astrology, so I started earning money in Astrology (1980
> ti=
ll now,) so I gave up Idea of searching job.
> >
> > Then there was n=
ot enough income to support myself I learnt the
> technique of Printing an=
d designing and DTP programme and Computer
> assembling and programme and t=
rouble shooting and I was quite earning
> very good, but soon I have to giv=
e it up, bcaz of the technology is
> outpaced now.
> > Then I learnt Ayu=
rvedic medicine and I was quite successful in
> curing challenging disease.=
> > At the age of 42 I got marriage proposal only becase of my

> success=
ful curing of 12years old disease to my wife's aunty. I got
> married on 25=
Mar 1996.
> >
> > I also don't know what combination in my horoscop=
e make me apt
> successful in Ayurvedic medicine. It is still to my wonder =
I have cured
> many incurable and challenging diseases and it is not my tal=
claim,
> (people cal me Doctor). Almost my contacts of cured people is aro=
und
> 10000 people. Out of which a few are in very good position. But I nev=
er
> aimed monetary gain in this noble profession.
> > I gave up that als=
o due to lack of income i.e procurement cost of
> medicinal herbs.
> > M=
y father died on 28 Mar 2003. So he had left a house which we sold
> and I =
got a share of 25% as I have three brothers younger to me.
> >
> > =
Due to my next younger brother insistence I invested all amount in a
> Clea=
ring and farwarding business and till date, I either get the
> promised amo=
unt of commission nor my principal amount.
> >
> > So, I started gat=
hering strength to borrow money and started Share
> trading. Now I am also =
losing in that also and making gain heavily
> equally.ultimately still los=
s is more than income. I get quarrel often
> with my family people.
> > Ple=
ase guide me in these circumstances, what should I do. i.e puja or
> mantra=
, or ritual to get maximum benefit out of my horoscope. . At this
> age aft=
er toying with many business, I don't know what to do.
> >
> > I sinc=
erely do puja as my father left with Maha Meru ( Sri Yantra)
> and Uchista =
Ganapathy statue and other deities in statue form . So I
> regularly and si=
ncerely doing puja as it is only giving comfort to my
> mind.
> > Earlie=
r I did Meditation and pranayama and yoga for almost 15years
> 1987 to 2002=
, tat also help me in maintaining calmess.
> > I met with serious accide=
nt on 25 Aug 1998 out of which I seriously
> hospitalised for nearly 3 mont=
hs.
> > I give you hereunder mine and my wifes details, and expect an early=
> solution from yourself.

> > Additional information::
> > I do conduct=
tours to Kasi, Gaya, Allahabad, Jammu Waishno Devi,
> Kedarnath, Badrinath=
, Hardwar and other pilgrimage places. So far I
> visited these places 17ti=
mes and more than that.
> >
> > I am being initiated with Chandi =
and Chandi sapta Sathi. I recite
> Chandi Sapta Sathi whenever My mind dist=
urbed. I will get enough lite
> and direction and I will win ultimately. My=
father left to me (Mah Meru,
> Raja Rajeswari,Vallaba Ganapathy *(more tha=
n 100 years old) and an
> Uchista Ganapathy made of Sweetarkam, I do have s=
tatue and I am also
> initiated with Maha Ganapathy, Bala, Sakthi Panchaksh=
ari mantra. I
> regularly do these mantras except chousam days.
> > I st=
arted doing pooja only after my fathers' death i.e. 23 Mar
> 2003..
> >
=
> > I also do daily pooja of Panchayatana and apart from Lakshmi on
> Jyoth=
i(Deepa) and bairava, Varahi, Agora Veerabadra and Rudra Thirusathi
> with =
Devi Kadka Mala regularly, apart from every thursday I do
> Dakshinamuurthy=
and on Wednesday for Vishnu and on Sunday for Sooryaji
> special.
> > =
> > I also recite Rishabam Sharsaneenam----Brihaspathim Varenyam 108

> t=
imes
> > Trayambakam ------Mirutyor Mukshiya Mamrudad 216 time
> > Om N=
amshivaya namo Omkareswaraya 324 times
> > Om namo bagawathey maha purush=
aya Sarva guna Sankyayanaya ananthaya
> avyakthaya Namaha
> > Om Namo Bal=
abathraya Namaha;
> > Om Astikam Munirajam Namo Namaha
> > Om namo Jyot=
hir lokaya kalayanaya animisham pathaye maha purushaya
> abi thimahi ithi
>=
> all 108 times
> > Thanking you,
> > Vighnesh
> >
> > Date of Brith=
: 08 Sep 1955
> > Time of Brith: 13 52 p.m
> > Place of Brith: Mannar=
gudi 79 33 E Long 11 17 N Lat
> >
> > Thanking you very much for your va=
luable guidance in advance.
> > Please help me to locate the problem in my=
horoscope.
> > To get income in my present Share Business If I am bless=
ed with or
> > what business I can do with
> > mittigate losses (16 Lak=
hs) in money.
> > The loss due to bad investment. Whether is thre
> > any w=
ay to recover it. Tel me please if any other remedy I have to
> do, I I wi=
ll sincerely follow it up.
> > And I have desire to visit, Omkareswar, M=
ahakaleswar,Bimasankar,
> Tryambakeswar, Mallikarjuna(Sri Sailam). and to c=
over 108 Vishnu abode.
> I already started last month itself of Vishnu abod=
e. Please tell me
> whether I can fulfil this part within shortly..
> > K.V=
.Vighnesh Chennai
> > mail id: vighneshare@
> > Mbl: 9444961820
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Namaste=
dear Manjunath ji,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </F=
ONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All the best for Mahaganapathi =
homam. I expect to
upload the mp3 for the latest manual in 2 weeks. Yes, I=
realize that audio
helped, and will help, many.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT f=
ace=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>C=
handi homam is quite powerful. If one with strong
desires performs it well=
for a period of time, one can fulfil most desires.
Thus, there is scope f=
or abuse. On the other hand, if one performs it well for a
period of time =
without much desire, She can put one on the fast track and give a
high lev=
el of detachment and very quick spiritual progresss. It can sometimes be
t=
oo quick for the person.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbs=
p;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Chandi (also referred to i=
n the saptashati as
"Narayani" or the energy of Narayana) is the unificati=
on of various energies
represented by Braahmi, Vaishnavi, Maheswari, Kouma=
ri, Vaaraahi, Kaali etc. She
is the union of Mahakaali, Mahalakshmi and Ma=
hasaraswati - three root energies
behind the creation, sustenance and dest=
ruction of this universe. </FONT><FONT
face=3DArial size=3D2>If someone is=
ready to worship that *primordial energy* in
fire, I can give some instru=
ctions privately. But there are no plans to create a
Chandi homam manual l=
ike Mahaganapathi homam manual.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>--------------------------=
----------------------------------------<BR>Do
Ganapathi Homam Yourself: <=
/FONT><A href=3D""><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://www.VedicAstrologer.=
org/homam</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>Spirituality: </FONT><=
A href=3D""><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedi=
c-wisdom</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>Free Jyotish lessons (M=
P3): </FONT><A href=3D""><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://vedicastro.hom=
e.comcast.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>Free Jyotish softw=
are (Windows): </FONT><A href=3D""><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://www.=
VedicAstrologer.org</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sri
Jagannat=
h Centre (SJC) website: </FONT><A href=3D""><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>ht=
tp://www.SriJagannath.org</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>------=
------------------------------------------------------------</FONT></DIV></=
FONT><FONT
al size=3D2>> Dear Narasimha ji... <BR>> <BR>>
Many thanks =
for your post on how to do ganapathi homam... am planning to<BR>>
learn=
& do the 15 min homam asap, probably then will move on to the
45<BR>&=
gt; mins procedure <BR>> <BR>> Kindly advice when we may
expec=
t the mp3 mantra file for the homam. this<BR>> will really speed up our =
learning & get to 'hands-on' sooner<BR>> <BR>> Also,=

is
the chandi homan, you mention below also going to have a<BR>> simpl=
er (
similar to ganapathi homam) version for beginners<BR>> <BR>&=
gt; with
sincere regards<BR>> Manju<BR>> <BR>>
_________________=
_______________<BR>> <BR>> From: <A
href=3D"mailto:sohamsa@yahoogrou=
ps.com">sohamsa@yahoogroups.com</A>
[mailto:sohamsa@yahoogroups.com] On Be=
half<BR>> Of Narasimha P.V.R.
Rao<BR>> Sent: Friday, January 18, 200=
8 6:04 AM<BR>> To: <A
href=3D"mailto:sohamsa@yahoogroups.com">sohamsa@y=
ahoogroups.com</A><BR>>
Subject: [sohamsa] Re: Some analysis needed..I =
request your Kind<BR>>
Attention..<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> N=
amaste dear Vighnesh
ji,<BR>> <BR>> You have the 10th lord in =
10th. You should use
Chaturaseeti sama dasa<BR>> (84 year dasa) in your=
chart.<BR>>
<BR>> In 1998, you were running Venus dasa Moon a=
ntardasa. Venus is the
6th<BR>> lord and Moon is the 8th lord in 6th wi=
th 12th lord
Ketu.<BR>> <BR>> I feel that your dasamsa lagna s=
hould be Pi and not
Ar. So I changed the<BR>> birthtime to 13:47. The 6=
th lord Sun in lagna with
Moon and Venus can<BR>> explain ayurveda work=
, while 10th lord Jupiter in Sc
can explain the<BR>> astrology work.<BR=
>> <BR>> Marriage was in
Venus-Saturn antardasa (as per Chatur=
aseeti sama dasa).<BR>> Venus is karaka
and Saturn is the upapada lord =
in rasi and the 7th lord<BR>> in
navamsa.<BR>> <BR>> You ar=
e running Saturn dasa. Unfortunately,
there is no Rahu dasa in<BR>> Cha=
turaseeti sama dasa and he gives his results
in Saturn dasa. Rahu is<BR>&g=
t; quite bad for you.<BR>> <BR>> He is
the 2nd lord of wealth =
and he is in gandantha in 12th. He shows<BR>> big
losses. It is not a t=
ime to invest and take risks.<BR>> <BR>>
Moreover, Rahu and Sa=
turn take part in Braahmana Shaapa yoga and Maatru<BR>>
shaapa yoga.<BR=
>> <BR>> Durga Saptashati is the best solution to 2nd
lord Rah=
u in 12th in<BR>> gandantha.<BR>> <BR>> I see that you do
a=
lot of mantras. If one wants water, one should dig<BR>> in one place.
=
Instead of digging 10 ft in 20 places, one can dig 200 ft<BR>> in one pl=
ace
and then one is guaranteed to find water. You were born in<BR>> thi=
s family
and received a lot of religious and spiritual foundation in<BR>&g=
t; this life.
You are very lucky. But it also raises the bar for you. Gods=
<BR>> accept a
small prayer from an uneducated man, but one with a lot =
of<BR>> resources and
learning like you is expected to do heavy sadhana=
and then<BR>> only gods are
pleased. You enjoyed the low-hanging fruit=
s in the<BR>> previous lives and
now you have to read the topmost branc=
hes to enjoy<BR>> some
fruit.<BR>> <BR>> Instead of doing 1=
0-20 mantras, you should stick
to one mantra until you<BR>> fully exper=
ience that mantra and the devata of
the mantra. Then you can<BR>> move =
on to another mantra. So my humble
suggestion is to stick to one<BR>> m=
antra or sadhana and maximize your
efforts in it. A time should come<BR>&g=
t; when one completely forgets self, the
body etc and the whole world<BR>&=
gt; reverberates with the mantra and the deity
comes before/within one. Th=
en<BR>> only the sadhana is complete. When sadhana
in one mantra is inc=
omplete,<BR>> why do more sadhanas?<BR>>
<BR>> Homam (fire =
ritual) is more effective than worshipping an idol or
a<BR>> kalasham. =
If you can learn Chandi homam in laghu paddhati (2 hours)
and<BR>> do i=
t once in the morning and once in the evening (or atleast once
in<BR>> =
the day) for 128 days, you should see a big improvement in your
material<B=
R>> and spiritual lives.<BR>> <BR>> With some heavy
sadhana=
with Chandi patham/homam, you can recover most<BR>> of your
investment=
and minimize the loss. But, in future, do not make<BR>> any risky
inve=
stments. This is not your time to do such things.<BR>> <BR>>
B=
est regards,<BR>> Narasimha<BR>>
-----------------------------------=
-------------------------------<BR>> Do
Ganapathi Homam Yourself: <A
h=
ref=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org=
/homam</A><BR>>
Spirituality: <A
href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group=
/vedic-wisdom">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom</A><BR>>
Free=
Jyotish lessons (MP3): <A
href=3D"http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net">htt=
p://vedicastro.home.comcast.net</A><BR>>
Free Jyotish software (Windows=
): <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org">http://www.VedicAstrologer.o=
rg</A><BR>>
Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <A
href=3D"http://www.=
SriJagannath.org">http://www.SriJagannath.org</A><BR>>
----------------=
--------------------------------------------------<BR>>
<BR>> =
> Narasimha Rao <pvr@> <BR>>
> =
; &n=
bsp;
<BR>> > Dear Na=
rasimhanji, Vedokta Namskaram,<BR>>
> <BR>> > =
; After going through your
prediction, It arouse my inte=
rest to ask<BR>> you a qustion on my horoscope.
Kindly excuse me for ta=
king your valuable<BR>> time.Thanking you for patience
shown in reading=
my lengthy naration.<BR>> > I am confused and lack of
direction. Pl=
ease throw some light upon the<BR>> following horoscope
details.<BR>>=
; > I have 5 grahas in exaltation and still I am
strugnling=
a lot at<BR>> this age of 53 years. Please help me to come out
these b=
ad karmic and<BR>> tell me what I have to do to remedy for the present
=
condition...<BR>> > Whatever I earned I spend 65% of the =
money
for doing puja, visiting<BR>> temples, gifting to Brahmins.. That=
is only
strength for me.Since from<BR>> my childhood I use to recite D=
evi Patam and
even now after taking<BR>> initiation from respected este=
emed guru, I receit
Durga Sapta Sati and I<BR>> continue to do. <BR>>=
; >
<BR>> > I Can master any subjec=
t so quickly and I will almost
lead so much<BR>> after which I leave it=
as it may not produce enough income
to me. <BR>> > So b=
y the way I did my Accountacy Bachelor
Degree1972 - 76 with<BR>> Great =
difficulty and as per father wish I took CA
and I left<BR>> unfinished1=
980-83. <BR>> > Then I was
searching for a suitable job,=
by the time <BR>> > I learnt
Astrology, so I started ea=
rning money in Astrology (1980<BR>> till now,) so I
gave up Idea of sea=
rching job.<BR>> > <BR>>
> Then =
there was not enough income to support myself I
learnt the<BR>> t=
echnique of Printing and designing and DTP programme and
Computer<BR>> =
assembling and programme and trouble shooting and I was quite
earning<BR>&=
gt; very good, but soon I have to give it up, bcaz of the technology
is<BR=
>> outpaced now. <BR>> > Then I learnt Ayurvedic
medi=
cine and I was quite successful in<BR>> curing challenging
disease.<BR>=
> > At the age of 42 I got marriage proposal only
becase=
of my<BR>> successful curing of 12years old disease to my wife's
aunty=
. I got<BR>> married on 25 Mar 1996. <BR>> >
<B=
R>> > I also don't know what combination in my horoscope =
make me apt<BR>> successful in Ayurvedic medicine. It is still to my wo=

nder I
have cured<BR>> many incurable and challenging diseases and it i=
s not my tal
claim,<BR>> (people cal me Doctor). Almost my contacts of =
cured people is
around<BR>> 10000 people. Out of which a few are in ver=
y good position. But I
never<BR>> aimed monetary gain in this noble pro=
fession.<BR>>
> I gave up that also due to lack of incom=
e i.e procurement cost
of<BR>> medicinal herbs. <BR>> > &nbs=
p; My father died on 28 Mar
2003. So he had left a house which we sold<BR>=
> and I got a share of 25% as I
have three brothers younger to me. =
; <BR>> >
<BR>> > Due to my next=
younger brother insistence I invested
all amount in a<BR>> Clearing an=
d farwarding business and till date, I either
get the<BR>> promised amo=
unt of commission nor my principal amount. <BR>>
> =
<BR>> > So, I started gathering
strength to borrow mone=
y and started Share<BR>> trading. Now I am also
losing in that al=
so and making gain heavily<BR>> equally.ultimately still
loss is more t=
han income. I get quarrel often<BR>> with my family
people.<BR>> >=
; Please guide me in these circumstances, what should I do.
i.e puja or<BR=
>> mantra, or ritual to get maximum benefit out of my
horoscope. . At t=
his<BR>> age after toying with many business, I don't know
what to do.<=
BR>> > <BR>> > I sincerely
do pu=
ja as my father left with Maha Meru ( Sri Yantra)<BR>> and Uchista
Gana=
pathy statue and other deities in statue form . So I<BR>> regularly and =
sincerely doing puja as it is only giving comfort to my<BR>> mind. <BR>=

>
> Earlier I did Meditation and pranayama and yoga for =
almost
15years<BR>> 1987 to 2002, tat also help me in maintaining calme=
ss. <BR>>
> I met with serious accident on 25 Aug 1998 o=
ut of which I
seriously<BR>> hospitalised for nearly 3 months.<BR>> =
> I give you
hereunder mine and my wifes details, and expect an early<B=
R>> solution from
yourself.<BR>> > Additional information::<BR>&g=
t; > I
do conduct tours to Kasi, Gaya, Allahabad, Jam=
mu Waishno Devi,<BR>>
Kedarnath, Badrinath, Hardwar and other pilgrimag=
e places. So far I<BR>>
visited these places 17times and more than that=
. <BR>> >
<BR>> > &nb=
sp; I am being initiated with Chandi and
Chandi sapta Sathi. I recite<BR>&=
gt; Chandi Sapta Sathi whenever My mind
disturbed. I will get enough lite<=
BR>> and direction and I will win
ultimately. My father left to me (Mah=
Meru,<BR>> Raja Rajeswari,Vallaba
Ganapathy *(more than 100 years old)=
and an<BR>> Uchista Ganapathy made of
Sweetarkam, I do have statue and=
I am also<BR>> initiated with Maha
Ganapathy, Bala, Sakthi Panchakshar=
i mantra. I<BR>> regularly do these
mantras except chousam days.<=
BR>> > I started doing pooja only
after my fathers' deat=
h i.e. 23 Mar<BR>> 2003..<BR>> >
<BR>> > I also=
do daily pooja of Panchayatana and apart from Lakshmi
on<BR>> Jyothi(D=
eepa) and bairava, Varahi, Agora Veerabadra and Rudra
Thirusathi<BR>> w=
ith Devi Kadka Mala regularly, apart from every thursday I
do<BR>> Daks=
hinamuurthy and on Wednesday for Vishnu and on Sunday for
Sooryaji<B=
R>> special.<BR>> > <BR>>
> I=
also recite Rishabam Sharsaneenam----Brihaspathim Varenyam
108<BR>> ti=
mes<BR>> > Trayambakam ------Mirutyor Mukshiya
Mamrudad =
216 time<BR>> > Om Namshivaya namo Omkareswaraya 324
tim=
es<BR>> > Om namo bagawathey maha purushaya Sarva guna
S=
ankyayanaya ananthaya<BR>> avyakthaya Namaha<BR>> > Om=
Namo Balabathraya Namaha;<BR>> > Om Astikam Munirajam N=

amo
Namaha<BR>> > Om namo Jyothir lokaya kalayanaya anim=
isham
pathaye maha purushaya<BR>> abi thimahi ithi<BR>> > &n=
bsp; all 108
times<BR>> > Thanking you,<BR>> > Vighnesh <BR>&g=
t; > <BR>>
> Date of Brith: 08 Sep 1955 <BR>> >=
Time of
Brith: 13 52 p.m <BR>> > Place of B=
rith: Mannargudi 79 33
E Long 11 17 N Lat<BR>> > <BR>>=
; > Thanking you very much
for your valuable guidance in advance.<BR>&g=
t; > Please help me to
locate the problem in my horoscope.<BR>>=
; > To get income
in my present Share Business If I a=
m blessed with or <BR>> >
what business I can do with <B=
R>> > mittigate losses (16 Lakhs) in
money.<BR>> > The loss du=
e to bad investment. Whether is thre<BR>> >
any way to recover it. T=
el me please if any other remedy I have to<BR>>
do, I I will sinc=
erely follow it up. <BR>> > And I have desire
to visit, =
Omkareswar, Mahakaleswar,Bimasankar,<BR>> Tryambakeswar,
Mallikarjuna(S=
ri Sailam). and to cover 108 Vishnu abode.<BR>> I already
started last =
month itself of Vishnu abode. Please tell me<BR>> whether I can
fulfil =
this part within shortly..<BR>> > K.V.Vighnesh
Chennai<BR>>=
> mail id: vighneshare@ <BR>> > Mbl:
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Namaste dear Sundeep ji,
> Your statement about "worshipping the gem

> i=
nstead" has really gotten me confused. My assumption until now was
> that =
gems are tantrik remedies at the level of controlling the body.
Gem is an=
external object that contains some energy related to a particular planet. =
If you make it a part of your body (by wearing it), you are putting yoursel=
f (body and mind) under extra influence of that planet. If that planet's in=
fluence on your mind is one that makes you elated, the gem may elate you. I=
f that planet's influence on your mind is one that makes you sad, the gem m=
ay sadden you.
On the other hand, if you invoke a deity in a gem, gem is =

akin to an idol. As the gem contains the energy related to a planet, your i=
nvocation of a deity who is related to that planet will result in some of t=
hat deity's energy entering the gem for a small time. If you offer a mantra=
related to that deity in the presence of that energy, that will please tha=
t deity and strengthen an aspect of your self represented by that deity. Th=
is in turn makes the planet more favorable to you. As you strengthen, with =
mantra, an aspect of your self represented by a deity associated with a pla=
net, that planet becomes more favorable. Negative results become smaller in=
magnitude and positive results become magnified.
Let us try an analogy t=

o clarify further.
Wearing a gem is akin to bringing someone to your hous=
e and keeping him in your house. If he likes you, he will make your life ha=
ppy. If he does not like you, he will make your life miserable.
Praying t=
o a deity corresponding to a planet is akin to getting help from somebody w=
ho has influence on that person, so that the person behaves better with you=
due to that influence
Chanting the mantra of a planet or its deity in fr=

ont of the gem before wearing the gem is akin to keeping a person in the co=
mpany of somebody who has influence over him before bringing him to your ho=
use, so that he is influenced sufficiently.
In your case, Mercury has cer=

tain weaknesses and emerald is a dicey choice for you. However, if you offe=
r enough mantra of Lord Ramachandra in front of that gem, it should become =
more favorable to you and actually eventually give you the result of the ra=
ja yoga between Sun and Mercury. Hence my advice..
These are my 2 cents.

=
> I dont want to blindly do it, but I am saving this advice

> for a litt=
le later hopefully when I am a little more spiritually
> advanced.
Logic=
al. Of course, it is totally upto you.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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> Dear Nar=

asimhaji,
> Thank you for taking the time out to reply to me. Thank you fo=
r the
> tips about using "shastyamsa like trimsamsa". Is there an article =
> that discusses more deeply the use of shastyamsa like trimsamsa?
> Beca=
use I did look at the "Parasara's trimsamsa" and found Mercury
> to be qui=
te benefic as it is 1,4L in 5.
>
> Also, in general, I am very confused =
about gem energies and their
> relationship to planetary energies in gener=
al. I would welcome an in-
> depth explanation from you, or perhaps a refer=
ence to an article you
> recommend on the same. Your statement about "wors=
hipping the gem
> instead" has really gotten me confused. My assumption un=
til now was
> that gems are tantrik remedies at the level of controlling t=
he body.
> We chant the "more external" perhaps body influencing mantras (=
?)
> appropriate to the planet signifying the gem in order for the gem to
=
> be permanently imbued by that energy. Hence by wearing it the gem's
> im=
bued energy perhaps affects and removes the obstacles to that
> planetary =
energy within us (?). Clearly my understanding is flawed,
> because if it =
isnt, then what good can worshipping the gem at a
> distance possibly do? =
Does it act as a sink to some bad energies
> around us?
>
> Thank you too=
for the advice about the "Rina Vimochaka Angaaraka
> Stotram". I have no =
doubt it is the correct advice, but I feel I am
> not quite there yet in t=
erms of mental receptivity to these deeper
> mantras. I dont want to blind=
ly do it, but I am saving this advice
> for a little later hopefully when =
I am a little more spiritually
> advanced. Also, I think I wrongly conveye=
d that I was doing the
> Gayatri mantra to quickly alleviate my financial =
situation. As you
> must have noticed the Moon in my chart is in debilitat=
ed Navamsa,
> conjunct Saturn in Rasi, 7th aspect of Mars. My mind tends t=
o get
> troubled quickly. I was unconsciously led to the Gayatri mantra
>=
somehow, in a very tough moment. And it ended up sort of gently
> uplifti=
ng my mind and somewhat increasing its awareness. I didnt do
> it with any=
motive at all, and still dont, except this gentle
> uplifting somewhat ex=
pansive feeling. The debts remain, but dont
> bother me as much. I want to=
address the debts only to not have my
> wife or kids go through any suffe=
ring, thats all.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Sundeep
>
>
> --- In sohamsa@ya=
hoogroups.com, "Narasimha Rao" <pvr@> wrote:
> >
> > Namaste Sundeep,
> > =
> > Though Mercury is the 5th lord in 5th, he is also the retrograde
> 8t=
h
> > lord. Moreover, he is the 8th lord in trimsamsa (D-30), which
> sho=
ws
> > suffering and punishment (use "shashtyamsa like trimsamsa"). He is =
> > your 22nd drekkana lord too (using Jagannatha drekkana chart,
> which=
> > is the correct drekkana chart for reckoning the 22nd drekkana).
> > =
Unfortunately, he does not become a benefic in navamsa (which
> could
> >=
have protected). When a planet owns 8th in rasi and trimsamsa and
> > hap=
pens to be a rank malefic in navamsa also, it is a bad idea to
> > wear th=
at planet's gem.
> >
> > The muhurta you picked is fine, except for chara=
karaka
> parivartana.
> >
> > My advice would be to remove the gem/chai=
n from your body, put it
> in
> > your pooja room and worship it instead.=
After your Gayatri japam
> > everyday, point your hands at the emerald an=
d say "asmin marakate
> > Sree Ramachandram aavaahayaami", then offer som=
e akshatas on the
> > emerald and then do japam with the mantra "Om Sree R=
aama Raama
> > Raama". That will give you much more benefit than actually =
wearing
> > it.
> >
> > Regarding heavy debts, you have Mars in 8th. Cur=
rent dasa is of
> > Venus and Venus is in kaaraka sthaana from Mars (using=
Paachakaadi
> > sambandhas). So he advances the result of Mars in 8th
> =
> (debts/accidents etc). No wonder the debts continue to trouble.
> For
>=
> Mars, you can do "Rina Vimochaka Angaaraka Stotram". If you can
> read =
> > that stotram for 2 hours continuously everyday for 60 days while
> > =
maintaining brahmacharya during the 60 days, it should have a
> > consider=
able impact on your debt situation. If you can commit such
> > an amount o=
f time, please send a private mail and I will give the
> > stotra and also=
the procedure. One should remember that serious
> > karmas require seriou=
s remedies. One cannot expect to do a mantra
> > 108 times and get rid of =
serious problems.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Narasimha
> > ---------------=
-------------------------------------------------
> > Do Homam Yourself: ht=
tp://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
> > Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.co=
m/group/vedic-wisdom
> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home=
.comcast.net
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r.org
> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
>=
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
>=
> --- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "vedicastrostudent"
> > <vedicastrostud=
ent@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > My birthdata is 23:00pm, 29=
June 1967, +5:30 GMT, 78E46, 22N12.
> > > Aquarius ascendant, Mercury 5, =
8L vargottama in 5. As I've
> posted
> > > many times before, I continue =
to be in heavy debt in general.
> > Cursed
> > > moon (DK), going through=
the period of the curse from 2001-2008
> > > according to Moola dasha, al=
so confirmed by Narayana Dasha.
> > >
> > > So one of the suggestions I ha=
d earlier gotten was to wear an
> > > emerald since Mercury I believe is "=
Yogi" (or "Duplicate Yogi",
> I
> > > forget which). I know this is not a=
solution to the curse, for
> > that
> > > I have discovered (and followe=
d) a strong attraction to the
> > Gayatri
> > > Mantra.
> > >
> > > When=
I wore an emerald (19 Dec 2007, 8:56am, San Jose, CA, USA)
> (5
> > > ra=
ti emerlad, in a 22ct gold pendant, in a 22ct thin gold chain)
> > > after=
doing 1 mala of the Rg Veda mantra for mercury, the
> > following
> > > =
things happened:
> > > 1) My daughter's existing cold turned out to be a ve=
ry bad case
> of
> > > strep throat with lots of fever and pain, was put =
on antibiotics
> > > immediately
> > > 2) My son developed the same, didnt=
respond to antibiotics,
> > > eventually had to be switched to a powerful=
one to get cured
> > (after
> > > several days of fever and pain)
> > > =
3) My wife and I both developed the same infection, and then
> after
> > =
> my son didnt respond, we were told that the germ had mutated so
> we
> =
> > were probably all going to get it again
> > > 4) I got news from India =
that my Dad was sick (he is quite old,
> so
> > > the news is significant=
)
> > > 5) Again got news that my in-laws dog had suddenly died
> overnigh=
t
> > > (every one was quite attached to it, so it was a significant
> ev=
ent)
> > > After that (about 4 days) i.e. all the above events and several =
> > > sleepless nights, I took off the emerald. There was some minor
> > =
> financial good news while I was wearing the emerald, but other
> > than =
> > > that nothing else.

> > >
> > > Opinions? Was this (sicknesses) an e=
ffect of wearing the
> emerald?
> > > Due to the 8th lordship of Mercury?=
> > >

> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Sundeep
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dear Sundeep ji,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FON=
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Your statement about "worshi=
pping the gem
<BR>> instead" has really gotten me confused. My assumpti=
on until now was
<BR>> that gems are tantrik remedies at the level of c=
ontrolling the
body.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> <=
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gem is an external object tha=
t contains some energy
related to a particular planet. If you make it a pa=
rt of your body (by wearing
it), you are putting yourself (body and mind) =
under extra influence of that
planet. If that planet's influence on your m=
ind is one that makes you elated,
the gem may elate you. If that planet's =
influence on your mind is one that makes
you sad, the gem may sadden you.<=
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FON=
T face=3DArial size=3D2>On the other hand, if you invoke a deity in a gem, =
gem is akin to an idol. As the gem contains the energy related to a planet=
, your
invocation of a deity who is related to that planet will result in =
some of that
deity's energy entering the gem for a small time. If you offe=
r a mantra related
to that deity in the presence of that energy, that will=
please that deity and
strengthen an aspect of your self represented by th=
at deity. This in turn makes
the planet more favorable to you. As you stre=
ngthen, with mantra, an aspect
of your self represented by a deity as=
sociated with a planet, that planet
becomes more favorable. Negative resul=
ts become smaller in magnitude and
positive results become magnified.</FON=
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
ce=3DArial size=3D2>Let us try an analogy to clarify
further.</FONT></DIV>=

al size=3D2>Wearing a gem is akin to bringing someone to your
house and ke=
eping him in your house. If he likes you, he will make your life
happy. If=
he does not like you, he will make your life miserable.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>=
<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial siz=
e=3D2>Praying to a deity corresponding to a planet is
akin to getting help=
from somebody who has influence on that person, so that the
person behave=
s better with you due to that influence</FONT></DIV>
l size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Chanting th=
e mantra of a planet or its deity in
front of the gem before wearing the g=
em is akin to keeping a person in the
company of somebody who has influenc=
e over him before bringing him to your
house, so that he is influenced suf=
ficiently.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In your case, Mercury has certain weakne=
sses and
emerald is a dicey choice for you. However, if you offer enough m=
antra of Lord
Ramachandra in front of that gem, it should become more favo=
rable to you and
actually eventually give you the result of the raja yoga =
between Sun and
Mercury. Hence my advice..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
Arial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>These a=
re my 2 cents.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT><=
/DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> I dont want to blindly do it, b=
ut I am saving
this advice <BR>> for a little later hopefully when I am=
a little more
spiritually <BR>> advanced.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Logi=
cal. Of course, it is totally upto
you.</FONT></DIV>
al size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FON=
T face=3DArial size=3D2>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>--------------------=
----------------------------------------------<BR>Do
Ganapathi Homam Yours=
elf: </FONT><A href=3D""><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://www.VedicAstro=
loger.org/homam</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>Spirituality: </=
FONT><A href=3D""><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://groups.yahoo.com/grou=
p/vedic-wisdom</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>Free Jyotish less=
ons (MP3): </FONT><A href=3D""><FONT face=3DArial
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size=3D2>Free Jyotish=
software (Windows): </FONT><A href=3D""><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http:=
//www.VedicAstrologer.org</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sri
Ja=
gannath Centre (SJC) website: </FONT><A href=3D""><FONT face=3DArial
size=
=3D2>http://www.SriJagannath.org</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
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>------------------------------------------------------------------</FONT><=
/DIV></FONT><FONT
<DIV><FONT fac=
e=3DArial size=3D2>> Dear Narasimhaji,<BR>> Thank you for
taki=
ng the time out to reply to me. Thank you for the <BR>> tips about using=
"shastyamsa like trimsamsa". Is there an article <BR>> that discusses =

more
deeply the use of shastyamsa like trimsamsa? <BR>> Because I did l=
ook at the
"Parasara's trimsamsa" and found Mercury <BR>> to be quite b=
enefic as it is
1,4L in 5. <BR>> <BR>> Also, in general, I am =
very confused about
gem energies and their <BR>> relationship to planet=
ary energies in general. I
would welcome an in-<BR>> depth explanation =
from you, or perhaps a reference
to an article you <BR>> recommend on t=
he same. Your statement about
"worshipping the gem <BR>> instead" has r=
eally gotten me confused. My
assumption until now was <BR>> that gems a=
re tantrik remedies at the level of
controlling the body. <BR>> We chan=
t the "more external" perhaps body
influencing mantras (?)<BR>> appropr=
iate to the planet signifying the gem in
order for the gem to <BR>> be =
permanently imbued by that energy. Hence by
wearing it the gem's <BR>> =
imbued energy perhaps affects and removes the
obstacles to that <BR>> p=
lanetary energy within us (?). Clearly my
understanding is flawed, <BR>>=
; because if it isnt, then what good can
worshipping the gem at a <BR>>=
distance possibly do? Does it act as a sink to
some bad energies <BR>>=
around us?<BR>> <BR>> Thank you too for the
advice about the "Rina =
Vimochaka Angaaraka <BR>> Stotram". I have no doubt it
is the correct a=
dvice, but I feel I am <BR>> not quite there yet in terms of
mental rec=
eptivity to these deeper <BR>> mantras. I dont want to blindly do
it, b=
ut I am saving this advice <BR>> for a little later hopefully when I am =
a little more spiritually <BR>> advanced. Also, I think I wrongly conve=

yed
that I was doing the <BR>> Gayatri mantra to quickly alleviate my f=
inancial
situation. As you <BR>> must have noticed the Moon in my chart=
is in
debilitated Navamsa, <BR>> conjunct Saturn in Rasi, 7th aspect o=
f Mars. My
mind tends to get <BR>> troubled quickly. I was unconsciousl=
y led to the
Gayatri mantra <BR>> somehow, in a very tough moment. And =
it ended up sort of
gently <BR>> uplifting my mind and somewhat increas=
ing its awareness. I didnt
do <BR>> it with any motive at all, and stil=
l dont, except this gentle
<BR>> uplifting somewhat expansive feeling. =
The debts remain, but dont
<BR>> bother me as much. I want to address t=
he debts only to not have my
<BR>> wife or kids go through any sufferin=
g, thats all. <BR>> <BR>>
Thanks again,<BR>> <BR>> Sundeep<BR>=
> <BR>> <BR>> --- In <A
href=3D"mailto:sohamsa@yahoogroups.com">s=
ohamsa@yahoogroups.com</A>, "Narasimha
Rao" <pvr@> wrote:<BR>> &g=
t;<BR>> > Namaste Sundeep,<BR>>
> <BR>> > Though M=
ercury is the 5th lord in 5th, he is also the
retrograde <BR>> 8th <BR>=
> > lord. Moreover, he is the 8th lord in
trimsamsa (D-30), which <B=
R>> shows <BR>> > suffering and punishment
(use "shashtyamsa like=
trimsamsa"). He is <BR>> > your 22nd drekkana lord
too (using Jagan=
natha drekkana chart, <BR>> which <BR>> > is the
correct drekkana=
chart for reckoning the 22nd drekkana). <BR>> >
Unfortunately, he d=
oes not become a benefic in navamsa (which <BR>> could
<BR>> > ha=
ve protected). When a planet owns 8th in rasi and trimsamsa and
<BR>> &=
gt; happens to be a rank malefic in navamsa also, it is a bad idea to
<BR>=
> > wear that planet's gem.<BR>> > <BR>> > The
muh=
urta you picked is fine, except for chara karaka <BR>>
parivartana.<BR>=
> > <BR>> > My advice would be to remove the
gem/chain f=
rom your body, put it <BR>> in <BR>> > your pooja room and
worshi=
p it instead. After your Gayatri japam <BR>> > everyday, point your
=
hands at the emerald and say "asmin marakate <BR>> > Sree
Rama=
chandram aavaahayaami", then offer some akshatas on the <BR>> >
emer=
ald and then do japam with the mantra "Om Sree Raama Raama <BR>> >
R=
aama". That will give you much more benefit than actually wearing <BR>> =
>
it.<BR>> > <BR>> > Regarding heavy debts, you have =
Mars in
8th. Current dasa is of <BR>> > Venus and Venus is in kaarak=
a sthaana from
Mars (using Paachakaadi <BR>> > sambandhas). So he ad=
vances the result of
Mars in 8th <BR>> > (debts/accidents etc). No w=
onder the debts continue to
trouble. <BR>> For <BR>> > Mars, you =
can do "Rina Vimochaka Angaaraka
Stotram". If you can <BR>> read <BR>&g=
t; > that stotram for 2 hours
continuously everyday for 60 days while <=
BR>> > maintaining brahmacharya
during the 60 days, it should have a=
<BR>> > considerable impact on your
debt situation. If you can comm=
it such <BR>> > an amount of time, please
send a private mail and I =
will give the <BR>> > stotra and also the
procedure. One should reme=
mber that serious <BR>> > karmas require serious
remedies. One canno=
t expect to do a mantra <BR>> > 108 times and get rid
of serious pro=
blems.<BR>> > <BR>> > Best regards,<BR>> >
Narasim=
ha<BR>> >
----------------------------------------------------------=
------<BR>> > Do
Homam Yourself: <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrolo=
ger.org/homam">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</A><BR>>
> Spiri=
tuality: <A
href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom">http://gro=
ups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom</A><BR>>
> Free Jyotish lessons (MP=
3): <A
href=3D"http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net">http://vedicastro.home.=
comcast.net</A><BR>>
> Free Jyotish software (Windows): <A
href=3D"=
http://www.VedicAstrologer.org">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org</A><BR>> =
> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <A

href=3D"http://www.SriJaganna=
th.org">http://www.SriJagannath.org</A><BR>> >
---------------------=
-------------------------------------------<BR>>
> <BR>> &g=
t; --- In <A
href=3D"mailto:sohamsa@yahoogroups.com">sohamsa@yahoogroups.c=
om</A>,
"vedicastrostudent" <BR>> > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote=
:<BR>> >
><BR>> > > Dear all,<BR>> > > <BR>>=
> > My
birthdata is 23:00pm, 29 June 1967, +5:30 GMT, 78E46, 22N12.=
<BR>> > >
Aquarius ascendant, Mercury 5, 8L vargottama in 5. As =
I've <BR>> posted
<BR>> > > many times before, I continue to b=
e in heavy debt in general.
<BR>> > Cursed <BR>> > > moon (=
DK), going through the period of
the curse from 2001-2008 <BR>> > &g=
t; according to Moola dasha, also
confirmed by Narayana Dasha.<BR>> >=
; > <BR>> > > So one of the
suggestions I had earlier gotten w=
as to wear an <BR>> > > emerald since
Mercury I believe is "Yogi"=
(or "Duplicate Yogi", <BR>> I <BR>> > >
forget which). I know=
this is not a solution to the curse, for <BR>> >
that <BR>> >=
> I have discovered (and followed) a strong attraction to
the <BR>>=
> Gayatri <BR>> > > Mantra.<BR>> > > <BR>>
> &=
gt; When I wore an emerald (19 Dec 2007, 8:56am, San Jose, CA, USA)
<BR>&g=
t; (5 <BR>> > > rati emerlad, in a 22ct gold pendant, in a 22ct
t=
hin gold chain) <BR>> > > after doing 1 mala of the Rg Veda mantra=
for
mercury, the <BR>> > following <BR>> > > things happen=
ed:<BR>>
> > 1) My daughter's existing cold turned out to be a ve=
ry bad case
<BR>> of <BR>> > > strep throat with lots of fever=
and pain, was put
on antibiotics <BR>> > > immediately<BR>> &=
gt; > 2) My son
developed the same, didnt respond to antibiotics, <BR>&=
gt; > > eventually
had to be switched to a powerful one to get cured=
<BR>> > (after <BR>>
> > several days of fever and pain)<B=
R>> > > 3) My wife and I
both developed the same infection, and t=
hen <BR>> after <BR>> > > my
son didnt respond, we were told t=
hat the germ had mutated so <BR>> we
<BR>> > > were probably a=
ll going to get it again<BR>> > > 4)
I got news from India that m=
y Dad was sick (he is quite old, <BR>> so
<BR>> > > the news i=
s significant)<BR>> > > 5) Again got news
that my in-laws dog had=
suddenly died <BR>> overnight <BR>> > >
(every one was quite =
attached to it, so it was a significant <BR>>
event)<BR>> > > =
After that (about 4 days) i.e. all the above events and
several <BR>> &=
gt; > sleepless nights, I took off the emerald. There was
some minor <B=
R>> > > financial good news while I was wearing the
emerald, but =
other <BR>> > than <BR>> > > that nothing
else.<BR>> >=
; > <BR>> > > Opinions? Was this (sicknesses) an
effect of wea=
ring the <BR>> emerald? <BR>> > > Due to the 8th
lordship of M=
ercury? <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Thanks,<BR>> >
> <B=
R>> > > Sundeep<BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Namaste Narasimha Ji and all other aspirants.
Although this is my first wr=

iting in this group but i have been
reading the threads for almost one year=
now. And you people have
helped me a lot to find out the right path at man=
y times but now i
feel a bit lost again.
As it can be seen from my chart =

details what brought me here( and to
spiritual path) like many others. I st=
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Narasimha Ji said that there is no need to fe=
ar of Sani and now i have
realised what he meant.
I have learned a little =

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1979
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Namaste Sanjeev ji,
It happens to everybody. People find their path, make some progress and then
feel lost again.
You run the drigdasa of Pisces from March 2008 to March 2017. Taking Cancer
as progressed lagna in Pisces dasa, the 9th house will be strong with
Mercury and Sun and the 9th lord Jupiter will be in lagna. The 8th house
will be prominent with Mars and Ketu, with 8th lords Saturn and Rahu
aspecting them from 2nd. These 4 malefics on the 8th house axis strongly
suggest powerful mystical experiences.
You are on the verge of a rewarding time spiritually speaking. Just keep
your faith and patience for a few more years and keep doing your sadhana.
The 5th house of devotion has Moon in rasi and vimsamsa. This shows devotion
to Krishna. In navamsa, the 12th from atma karaka is empty and Mercury owns
it. Mercury is in Scorpio with Rahu. This suggests that worship of Lord
Varaha (Vishnu's boar incarnation) can give you fast spiritual progress.
Please contact suresh.battar@... (http://ashramaustralia.net) and ask

him where you can get a homa kundam in Australia. Swami Suresh Battar is a
Hindu priest in Canberra. In case homa kundas are available there, he may be
able to direct you. In the worst case, any square or circle shaped vessel
with some depth (made of copper or bronze but not iron) can be used. Good
luck for your homam.
Regarding books, there are too many. But direct experience through
meditation is a far better teacher than books. Just surrender to the Lord,
accept wholeheartedly that all the diverse objects our senses perceive in
this universe are all different manifestations of the Lord and that we are
perceiving them differently because of our own impurity. If we keep
reminding ourselves of this whenever our mind is overly attracted to or
repelled by something, that itself is a very useful sadhana. In addition, if
you spend a considerable time everyday in meditation, that too helps.
For you, I strongly recommend "Jnaneshwari", a commentary on BhagavadGita by

Jnaneshwar Maharaj. This is a unique commentary by a unique saint, who is
the re-incarnation of a rishi and had a direct dwaitic and adwaitic
experience. There is a difference between writings coming from knowledge
acquired by reading books or hearing from others and writings coming from
the knowledge acquired in a direct experience. More than 700 years ago,
Jnaneshwar Maharaj entered a cave in Alandi in his physical body at the age
of 21 years and still meditating there. I have NOT read a more competent or
sublime commentary on Krishna's teaching. It is quite an inspired work. A
good English translation of this work is available at
http://www.amazon.com/Jnaneshwars-Gita-Jnaneshwari-Swami-Kripananda/dp/0911307648
"Yoga Vaasishtham" is the highest work on Hindu philosophy in my opinion.

When Maharshi Viswamitra wanted Lord Ramachandra to come with him to forest,
Rama was in confusion and a little pensive. In the presence of Maharshi
Viswamitra, King Dasaratha and many other learned people, Maharshi Vasishtha
imparted the essence of all Upanishats to Rama. His teachings were captured
by Valmiki and the work is known as "Yoga Vaasishtham". There is an inspired
English translation available at
http://www.amazon.com/Vasisthas-Yoga-Venkatesananda/dp/0791413640/ref=sr_1_1?
ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201988303&sr=1-1
Various Puranas and Upanishats make a very useful reading too.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Need more help
> Namaste Narasimha Ji and all other aspirants.

>
> Although this is my first writing in this group but i have been
> reading the threads for almost one year now. And you people have
> helped me a lot to find out the right path at many times but now i
> feel a bit lost again.
>
> As it can be seen from my chart details what brought me here( and to
> spiritual path) like many others. I still remember the thread where
> Narasimha Ji said that there is no need to fear of Sani and now i have
> realised what he meant.
>
> I have learned a little bit of astrology from this thread and from
> other sources but with that i can not really make any decisions of
> the path i need to follow. As i have seen that there are many
> enlightened and intelligent aspirants in this group so if
> someone(especially Narasimha Ji)can look at my chart and guide me i
> will be very thankful. My birth details are given below:
>
> Birth Date- 17/03/1979
> Birth Time- 12:45 PM
> Birth Place- Ferozepur(Punjab), India
>
> Another thing is that till now i have been reading some
> Scriptures/Spiritual writings from here and there and doing some
> meditation and chanting of Mahamantra. I have really seen and
> experienced the effect of all this but all this was random and
> unplanned. Now i have come to a stage where i feel that my spiritual
> progress has stopped. So first of all i am thinking of reading more to
> get some knowledge but i have no idea what to read and from where to
> get the books.
>
> Second thing is i am planning to do Mahaganapathi Homam on a regular
> basis so i have bought all the Materials Needed except the homa kundam
> which i could not find as i live in Australia so can anyone tell me
> what else can i use as i can not even dig a pit in the ground.
>
> Although there are so many other things i want to ask but if someone
> can help me with only these i would be very thankful to him and i will
> pray to Lord for him.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Sanjeev
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Dear Narasimhaji:
Now that this question on spiritual growth has come.

What dasha do you suggest to c spiritual growth. Do
you use Drigdasha or have used it in this case only.
Also I was wondering when you can guide us on how to

perform Chandi homam.
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--- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...> wrote:
> Namaste Sanjeev ji,

>
> It happens to everybody. People find their path,
> make some progress and then
> feel lost again.
>
> You run the drigdasa of Pisces from March 2008 to
> March 2017. Taking Cancer
> as progressed lagna in Pisces dasa, the 9th house
> will be strong with
> Mercury and Sun and the 9th lord Jupiter will be in
> lagna. The 8th house
> will be prominent with Mars and Ketu, with 8th lords
> Saturn and Rahu
> aspecting them from 2nd. These 4 malefics on the 8th
> house axis strongly
> suggest powerful mystical experiences.
>
> You are on the verge of a rewarding time spiritually
> speaking. Just keep
> your faith and patience for a few more years and
> keep doing your sadhana.
>
> The 5th house of devotion has Moon in rasi and
> vimsamsa. This shows devotion
> to Krishna. In navamsa, the 12th from atma karaka is
> empty and Mercury owns
> it. Mercury is in Scorpio with Rahu. This suggests
> that worship of Lord
> Varaha (Vishnu's boar incarnation) can give you fast
> spiritual progress.
>
> Please contact suresh.battar@...
> (http://ashramaustralia.net) and ask
> him where you can get a homa kundam in Australia.
> Swami Suresh Battar is a
> Hindu priest in Canberra. In case homa kundas are
> available there, he may be
> able to direct you. In the worst case, any square or
> circle shaped vessel
> with some depth (made of copper or bronze but not
> iron) can be used. Good
> luck for your homam.
>
> Regarding books, there are too many. But direct
> experience through
> meditation is a far better teacher than books. Just
> surrender to the Lord,
> accept wholeheartedly that all the diverse objects
> our senses perceive in
> this universe are all different manifestations of
> the Lord and that we are
> perceiving them differently because of our own
> impurity. If we keep
> reminding ourselves of this whenever our mind is
> overly attracted to or
> repelled by something, that itself is a very useful
> sadhana. In addition, if
> you spend a considerable time everyday in
> meditation, that too helps.
>
> For you, I strongly recommend "Jnaneshwari", a
> commentary on BhagavadGita by
> Jnaneshwar Maharaj. This is a unique commentary by a
> unique saint, who is
> the re-incarnation of a rishi and had a direct
> dwaitic and adwaitic
> experience. There is a difference between writings
> coming from knowledge
> acquired by reading books or hearing from others and
> writings coming from
> the knowledge acquired in a direct experience. More
> than 700 years ago,
> Jnaneshwar Maharaj entered a cave in Alandi in his
> physical body at the age
> of 21 years and still meditating there. I have NOT
> read a more competent or
> sublime commentary on Krishna's teaching. It is
> quite an inspired work. A
> good English translation of this work is available
> at
>
>
>
> "Yoga Vaasishtham" is the highest work on Hindu
> philosophy in my opinion.
> When Maharshi Viswamitra wanted Lord Ramachandra to
> come with him to forest,
> Rama was in confusion and a little pensive. In the
> presence of Maharshi
> Viswamitra, King Dasaratha and many other learned
> people, Maharshi Vasishtha
> imparted the essence of all Upanishats to Rama. His
> teachings were captured
> by Valmiki and the work is known as "Yoga
> Vaasishtham". There is an inspired
> English translation available at
>
>
http://www.amazon.com/Vasisthas-Yoga-Venkatesananda/dp/0791413640/ref=sr_1_1?
>
> Various Puranas and Upanishats make a very useful
> reading too.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
>
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> http://www.SriJagannath.org
>
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> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Need more help
>
>
> > Namaste Narasimha Ji and all other aspirants.
> >
> > Although this is my first writing in this group
> but i have been
> > reading the threads for almost one year now. And
> you people have
> > helped me a lot to find out the right path at many
> times but now i
> > feel a bit lost again.
> >
> > As it can be seen from my chart details what
> brought me here( and to
> > spiritual path) like many others. I still remember
> the thread where
> > Narasimha Ji said that there is no need to fear of
> Sani and now i have
> > realised what he meant.
> >
> > I have learned a little bit of astrology from this
> thread and from
> > other sources but with that i can not really make
> any decisions of
> > the path i need to follow. As i have seen that
> there are many
> > enlightened and intelligent aspirants in this
> group so if
> > someone(especially Narasimha Ji)can look at my
> chart and guide me i
> > will be very thankful. My birth details are given
> below:
> >
> > Birth Date- 17/03/1979
> > Birth Time- 12:45 PM
> > Birth Place- Ferozepur(Punjab), India
> >
> > Another thing is that till now i have been reading
> some
> > Scriptures/Spiritual writings from here and there
> and doing some
> > meditation and chanting of Mahamantra. I have
> really seen and
> > experienced the effect of all this but all this
> was random and
> > unplanned. Now i have come to a stage where i feel
> that my spiritual
> > progress has stopped. So first of all i am
> thinking of reading more to
> > get some knowledge but i have no idea what to read
> and from where to
> > get the books.
> >
> > Second thing is i am planning to do Mahaganapathi
> Homam on a regular
> > basis so i have bought all the Materials Needed
> except the homa kundam
> > which i could not find as i live in Australia so
> can anyone tell me
> > what else can i use as i can not even dig a pit in
> the ground.
> >
> > Although there are so many other things i want to
> ask but if someone
> > can help me with only these i would be very
> thankful to him and i will
> > pray to Lord for him.
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> > Sanjeev
>
>
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Namaste,
Yes, I use drigdasa taught by Maharshi Parasara for timing spiritual

progress astrologically. This dasa applies to all people's charts.
As I said earlier, I am a little hesitant to teach Chandi homam publicly,

unlike Mahaganapathi homam. If She inspires me in future to do so, I may.
Chandi homam is quite powerful. If one with strong desires performs it well
for a period of time, one can fulfil most desires. Thus, there is scope for
abuse. Of course, the abuse cannot take place unless She wills it. It may be
Her will to make someone use this in a particular way and some negative
karma to be generated. However, the law of "equal reaction to actions" is
unbreakable and one will have to experience the fruits of the karma
incurred. To a self-realized person, no karma sticks and hence no fruit of a
karma sticks. When someone like Ramakrishna Paramahamsa or Ramana Maharshi
gets throat cancer for example, they may remain unaffected by it and see the
suffering of the body in the same way a physical pleasure is seen. But,
someone who is not there yet and someone who experiences fruits of different
karmas differently still (instead of looking at them the same way), needs to
be careful in choosing which karmas to undertake and which to avoid.
On the other extreme, if one performs Chandi homam well for a period of time
without much desire, She can put one on the fast track and give a high level
of detachment and very quick spiritual progresss. It can sometimes be too
quick for the person.
Chandi is the union of Mahakaali, Mahalakshmi and Mahasaraswati - three root

energies behind the creation, sustenance and destruction of this universe.
She is the primordial energy of this universe. She is too powerful.
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------

From: "Gaurav Kapur" <groovyacharya@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 1:27 AM
> Dear Narasimhaji:

>
> Now that this question on spiritual growth has come.
> What dasha do you suggest to c spiritual growth. Do
> you use Drigdasha or have used it in this case only.
>
> Also I was wondering when you can guide us on how to
> perform Chandi homam.
>
> Thank you
> Gaurav
>
>
> --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...> wrote:
>
>> Namaste Sanjeev ji,
>>
>> It happens to everybody. People find their path,
>> make some progress and then
>> feel lost again.
>>
>> You run the drigdasa of Pisces from March 2008 to
>> March 2017. Taking Cancer
>> as progressed lagna in Pisces dasa, the 9th house
>> will be strong with
>> Mercury and Sun and the 9th lord Jupiter will be in
>> lagna. The 8th house
>> will be prominent with Mars and Ketu, with 8th lords
>> Saturn and Rahu
>> aspecting them from 2nd. These 4 malefics on the 8th
>> house axis strongly
>> suggest powerful mystical experiences.
>>
>> You are on the verge of a rewarding time spiritually
>> speaking. Just keep
>> your faith and patience for a few more years and
>> keep doing your sadhana.
>>
>> The 5th house of devotion has Moon in rasi and
>> vimsamsa. This shows devotion
>> to Krishna. In navamsa, the 12th from atma karaka is
>> empty and Mercury owns
>> it. Mercury is in Scorpio with Rahu. This suggests
>> that worship of Lord
>> Varaha (Vishnu's boar incarnation) can give you fast
>> spiritual progress.
>>
>> Please contact suresh.battar@...
>> (http://ashramaustralia.net) and ask
>> him where you can get a homa kundam in Australia.
>> Swami Suresh Battar is a
>> Hindu priest in Canberra. In case homa kundas are
>> available there, he may be
>> able to direct you. In the worst case, any square or
>> circle shaped vessel
>> with some depth (made of copper or bronze but not
>> iron) can be used. Good
>> luck for your homam.
>>
>> Regarding books, there are too many. But direct
>> experience through
>> meditation is a far better teacher than books. Just
>> surrender to the Lord,
>> accept wholeheartedly that all the diverse objects
>> our senses perceive in
>> this universe are all different manifestations of
>> the Lord and that we are
>> perceiving them differently because of our own
>> impurity. If we keep
>> reminding ourselves of this whenever our mind is
>> overly attracted to or
>> repelled by something, that itself is a very useful
>> sadhana. In addition, if
>> you spend a considerable time everyday in
>> meditation, that too helps.
>>
>> For you, I strongly recommend "Jnaneshwari", a
>> commentary on BhagavadGita by
>> Jnaneshwar Maharaj. This is a unique commentary by a
>> unique saint, who is
>> the re-incarnation of a rishi and had a direct
>> dwaitic and adwaitic
>> experience. There is a difference between writings
>> coming from knowledge
>> acquired by reading books or hearing from others and
>> writings coming from
>> the knowledge acquired in a direct experience. More
>> than 700 years ago,
>> Jnaneshwar Maharaj entered a cave in Alandi in his
>> physical body at the age
>> of 21 years and still meditating there. I have NOT
>> read a more competent or
>> sublime commentary on Krishna's teaching. It is
>> quite an inspired work. A
>> good English translation of this work is available
>> at
>>
>>
> http://www.amazon.com/Jnaneshwars-Gita-Jnaneshwari-Swami-Kripananda/dp/0911307648
>>
>> "Yoga Vaasishtham" is the highest work on Hindu
>> philosophy in my opinion.
>> When Maharshi Viswamitra wanted Lord Ramachandra to
>> come with him to forest,
>> Rama was in confusion and a little pensive. In the
>> presence of Maharshi
>> Viswamitra, King Dasaratha and many other learned
>> people, Maharshi Vasishtha
>> imparted the essence of all Upanishats to Rama. His
>> teachings were captured
>> by Valmiki and the work is known as "Yoga
>> Vaasishtham". There is an inspired
>> English translation available at
>>
>>
> http://www.amazon.com/Vasisthas-Yoga-Venkatesananda/dp/0791413640/ref=sr_1_1?
>>
>> Various Puranas and Upanishats make a very useful
>> reading too.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Narasimha
>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:
>> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
>> Spirituality:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
>> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):
>> http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
>> Free Jyotish software (Windows):
>> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
>> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:
>> http://www.SriJagannath.org
>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sanjeev Narula" <san_narula@...>
>> To: <vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 12:46 AM
>> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Need more help
>>
>>
>> > Namaste Narasimha Ji and all other aspirants.
>> >
>> > Although this is my first writing in this group
>> but i have been
>> > reading the threads for almost one year now. And
>> you people have
>> > helped me a lot to find out the right path at many
>> times but now i
>> > feel a bit lost again.
>> >
>> > As it can be seen from my chart details what
>> brought me here( and to
>> > spiritual path) like many others. I still remember
>> the thread where
>> > Narasimha Ji said that there is no need to fear of
>> Sani and now i have
>> > realised what he meant.
>> >
>> > I have learned a little bit of astrology from this
>> thread and from
>> > other sources but with that i can not really make
>> any decisions of
>> > the path i need to follow. As i have seen that
>> there are many
>> > enlightened and intelligent aspirants in this
>> group so if
>> > someone(especially Narasimha Ji)can look at my
>> chart and guide me i
>> > will be very thankful. My birth details are given
>> below:
>> >
>> > Birth Date- 17/03/1979
>> > Birth Time- 12:45 PM
>> > Birth Place- Ferozepur(Punjab), India
>> >
>> > Another thing is that till now i have been reading
>> some
>> > Scriptures/Spiritual writings from here and there
>> and doing some
>> > meditation and chanting of Mahamantra. I have
>> really seen and
>> > experienced the effect of all this but all this
>> was random and
>> > unplanned. Now i have come to a stage where i feel
>> that my spiritual
>> > progress has stopped. So first of all i am
>> thinking of reading more to
>> > get some knowledge but i have no idea what to read
>> and from where to
>> > get the books.
>> >
>> > Second thing is i am planning to do Mahaganapathi
>> Homam on a regular
>> > basis so i have bought all the Materials Needed
>> except the homa kundam
>> > which i could not find as i live in Australia so
>> can anyone tell me
>> > what else can i use as i can not even dig a pit in
>> the ground.
>> >
>> > Although there are so many other things i want to
>> ask but if someone
>> > can help me with only these i would be very
>> thankful to him and i will
>> > pray to Lord for him.
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance
>> > Sanjeev

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Dear Narasimhaji:
Thank you for your illustrative response. I totally

agree with you on all the points. I have been reciting
Devi Kavacham, Argala, Suktam from Durga Saptashati
and I have been experiencing the effects in my life.
I hope when the right time comes i would be able to

learn how to perform Chandi Homam.
Thank you
Gaurav
--- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...> wrote:

> Namaste,
>
> Yes, I use drigdasa taught by Maharshi Parasara for
> timing spiritual
> progress astrologically. This dasa applies to all
> people's charts.
>
> As I said earlier, I am a little hesitant to teach
> Chandi homam publicly,
> unlike Mahaganapathi homam. If She inspires me in
> future to do so, I may.
>
> Chandi homam is quite powerful. If one with strong
> desires performs it well
> for a period of time, one can fulfil most desires.
> Thus, there is scope for
> abuse. Of course, the abuse cannot take place unless
> She wills it. It may be
> Her will to make someone use this in a particular
> way and some negative
> karma to be generated. However, the law of "equal
> reaction to actions" is
> unbreakable and one will have to experience the
> fruits of the karma
> incurred. To a self-realized person, no karma sticks
> and hence no fruit of a
> karma sticks. When someone like Ramakrishna
> Paramahamsa or Ramana Maharshi
> gets throat cancer for example, they may remain
> unaffected by it and see the
> suffering of the body in the same way a physical
> pleasure is seen. But,
> someone who is not there yet and someone who
> experiences fruits of different
> karmas differently still (instead of looking at them
> the same way), needs to
> be careful in choosing which karmas to undertake and
> which to avoid.
>
> On the other extreme, if one performs Chandi homam
> well for a period of time
> without much desire, She can put one on the fast
> track and give a high level
> of detachment and very quick spiritual progresss. It
> can sometimes be too
> quick for the person.
>
> Chandi is the union of Mahakaali, Mahalakshmi and
> Mahasaraswati - three root
> energies behind the creation, sustenance and
> destruction of this universe.
> She is the primordial energy of this universe. She
> is too powerful.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
>
------------------------------------------------------------------
> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:
> Spirituality:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
> http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
> Free Jyotish software (Windows):
> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:
> http://www.SriJagannath.org
>
------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: "Gaurav Kapur" <groovyacharya@...>
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 1:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Need more help
>
>
> > Dear Narasimhaji:
> >
> > Now that this question on spiritual growth has
> come.
> > What dasha do you suggest to c spiritual growth.
> Do
> > you use Drigdasha or have used it in this case
> only.
> >
> > Also I was wondering when you can guide us on how
> to
> > perform Chandi homam.
> >
> > Thank you
> > Gaurav
> >
> >
> > --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Namaste Sanjeev ji,
> >>
> >> It happens to everybody. People find their path,
> >> make some progress and then
> >> feel lost again.
> >>
> >> You run the drigdasa of Pisces from March 2008 to
> >> March 2017. Taking Cancer
> >> as progressed lagna in Pisces dasa, the 9th house
> >> will be strong with
> >> Mercury and Sun and the 9th lord Jupiter will be
> in
> >> lagna. The 8th house
> >> will be prominent with Mars and Ketu, with 8th
> lords
> >> Saturn and Rahu
> >> aspecting them from 2nd. These 4 malefics on the
> 8th
> >> house axis strongly
> >> suggest powerful mystical experiences.
> >>
> >> You are on the verge of a rewarding time
> spiritually
> >> speaking. Just keep
> >> your faith and patience for a few more years and
> >> keep doing your sadhana.
> >>
> >> The 5th house of devotion has Moon in rasi and
> >> vimsamsa. This shows devotion
> >> to Krishna. In navamsa, the 12th from atma karaka
> is
> >> empty and Mercury owns
> >> it. Mercury is in Scorpio with Rahu. This
> suggests
> >> that worship of Lord
> >> Varaha (Vishnu's boar incarnation) can give you
> fast
> >> spiritual progress.
> >>
> >> Please contact suresh.battar@...
> >> (http://ashramaustralia.net) and ask
> >> him where you can get a homa kundam in Australia.
> >> Swami Suresh Battar is a
> >> Hindu priest in Canberra. In case homa kundas are
> >> available there, he may be
> >> able to direct you. In the worst case, any square
> or
> >> circle shaped vessel
> >> with some depth (made of copper or bronze but not
> >> iron) can be used. Good
> >> luck for your homam.
> >>
> >> Regarding books, there are too many. But direct
> >> experience through
> >> meditation is a far better teacher than books.
> Just
> >> surrender to the Lord,
> >> accept wholeheartedly that all the diverse
> objects
> >> our senses perceive in
> >> this universe are all different manifestations of
> >> the Lord and that we are
> >> perceiving them differently because of our own
> >> impurity. If we keep
> >> reminding ourselves of this whenever our mind is
> >> overly attracted to or
> >> repelled by something, that itself is a very
> useful
> >> sadhana. In addition, if
> >> you spend a considerable time everyday in
> >> meditation, that too helps.
> >>
> >> For you, I strongly recommend "Jnaneshwari", a
> >> commentary on BhagavadGita by
> >> Jnaneshwar Maharaj. This is a unique commentary
> by a
> >> unique saint, who is
> >> the re-incarnation of a rishi and had a direct
> >> dwaitic and adwaitic
> >> experience. There is a difference between
> writings
> >> coming from knowledge
> >> acquired by reading books or hearing from others
> and
> >> writings coming from
> >> the knowledge acquired in a direct experience.
> More
> >> than 700 years ago,
> >> Jnaneshwar Maharaj entered a cave in Alandi in
> his
> >> physical body at the age
> >> of 21 years and still meditating there. I have
> NOT
> >> read a more competent or
> >> sublime commentary on Krishna's teaching. It is
> >> quite an inspired work. A
> >> good English translation of this work is
> available
> >> at
> >>
> >>
> >
>
> >>
> >> "Yoga Vaasishtham" is the highest work on Hindu
>
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Dear Narasimhaji,
Using Drigdasa for spiritual progress should happen only=

when it is
indicated in the natal chart. Using divisional charts independe=
nt of
natal chart is not correct.
Spirituality is 9H in horoscope. First w=

e need to see if 9H Lord is in
sustana, then if benefics are in 9H or aspec=
ting 9H - if all these are
good then spiritual progress is indicated. Then =
we can use Drigdasa to
tell person's spiritual progress
If natal chart ind=

icates no spiritual progress then using Drigdasa
independent of natal chart=
may not be right.
I use your JHora software and it is best in world - I a=

lso have a copy
of your Vedic astrology book - I respect and admire you - I=
have just
stated my understanding based on my discussions.
Please don't =
take personally
Thanks
kiran
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasi=

mha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...>
wrote:
>
> Namaste,
>
> Yes, I use drigdasa taug=
ht by Maharshi Parasara for timing spiritual
> progress astrologically. Th=
is dasa applies to all people's charts.
>
> As I said earlier, I am a litt=
le hesitant to teach Chandi homam
publicly,
> unlike Mahaganapathi homam. =
If She inspires me in future to do so, I
may.
>
> Chandi homam is quite po=
werful. If one with strong desires performs
it well
> for a period of time=
, one can fulfil most desires. Thus, there is
scope for
> abuse. Of course=
, the abuse cannot take place unless She wills it.
It may be
> Her will to=
make someone use this in a particular way and some negative
> karma to be=
generated. However, the law of "equal reaction to
actions" is
> unbreakab=
le and one will have to experience the fruits of the karma
> incurred. To =
a self-realized person, no karma sticks and hence no
fruit of a
> karma st=
icks. When someone like Ramakrishna Paramahamsa or Ramana
Maharshi
> gets =
throat cancer for example, they may remain unaffected by it and
see the
> =
suffering of the body in the same way a physical pleasure is seen. But,
> =
someone who is not there yet and someone who experiences fruits of
differen=
t
> karmas differently still (instead of looking at them the same way),
ne=
eds to
> be careful in choosing which karmas to undertake and which to avo=
id.
>
> On the other extreme, if one performs Chandi homam well for a peri=
od
of time
> without much desire, She can put one on the fast track and gi=
ve a
high level
> of detachment and very quick spiritual progresss. It can=
sometimes
be too
> quick for the person.
>
> Chandi is the union of Maha=
kaali, Mahalakshmi and Mahasaraswati -
three root
> energies behind the cr=
eation, sustenance and destruction of this
universe.
> She is the primordi=
al energy of this universe. She is too powerful.
>
> Best regards,
> Naras=
imha
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>=
> Spirit=
uality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
> Free Jyotish lessons (=
MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
> Free Jyotish software (Windows):=
http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http:=
//www.SriJagannath.org
> --------------------------------------------------=
----------------
>
> From: "Gaurav Kapur" =
<groovyacharya@...>
> Sent: Sunday, Fe=
bruary 03, 2008 1:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Need more help
> =
>
> > Dear Narasimhaji:
> >
> > Now that this question on spiritual growt=
h has come.
> > What dasha do you suggest to c spiritual growth. Do
> > you=
use Drigdasha or have used it in this case only.
> >
> > Also I was wonder=
ing when you can guide us on how to
> > perform Chandi homam.
> >
> > Thank=
you
> > Gaurav
> >
> >
> > --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...> wrote:
> >=
> >> Namaste Sanjeev ji,

> >>
> >> It happens to everybody. People find th=
eir path,
> >> make some progress and then
> >>
> >> =
You run the drigdasa of Pisces from March 2008 to
> >> March 2017. Taking C=
ancer
> >> as progressed lagna in Pisces dasa, the 9th house
> >> will be s=
trong with
> >> Mercury and Sun and the 9th lord Jupiter will be in
> >> la=
gna. The 8th house
> >> will be prominent with Mars and Ketu, with 8th lord=
s
> >> Saturn and Rahu
> >> aspecting them from 2nd. These 4 malefics on th=
e 8th
> >> house axis strongly
=
> >>
> >> You are on the verge of a rewarding time spiritually
> >> speakin=
g. Just keep
> >> your faith and patience for a few more years and
> >> kee=
p doing your sadhana.
> >>
> >> The 5th house of devotion has Moon in rasi =
and
> >> vimsamsa. This shows devotion
> >> to Krishna. In navamsa, the 12t=
h from atma karaka is
> >> empty and Mercury owns
> >> it. Mercury is in Sc=
orpio with Rahu. This suggests
> >> that worship of Lord
> >> Varaha (Vishn=
u's boar incarnation) can give you fast
> >> spiritual progress.
> >>
> >> =
Please contact suresh.battar@...
> >> (http://ashramaustralia.net) and ask
=
> >> him where you can get a homa kundam in Australia.
> >> Swami Suresh Ba=
ttar is a
> >> Hindu priest in Canberra. In case homa kundas are
> >> avail=
able there, he may be
> >> able to direct you. In the worst case, any squar=
e or
> >> circle shaped vessel
> >> with some depth (made of copper or bron=
ze but not
> >> iron) can be used. Good
> >>
> >>=
Regarding books, there are too many. But direct
> >> experience through
> =
>> meditation is a far better teacher than books. Just
> >> surrender to th=
e Lord,
> >> accept wholeheartedly that all the diverse objects
> >> our se=
nses perceive in
> >> this universe are all different manifestations of
> >=
> the Lord and that we are
> >> perceiving them differently because of our =
own
> >> impurity. If we keep
> >> reminding ourselves of this whenever our=
mind is
> >> overly attracted to or
> >> repelled by something, that itsel=
f is a very useful
> >> sadhana. In addition, if
> >> you spend a considera=
ble time everyday in
> >> meditation, that too helps.
> >>
> >> For you, I =
strongly recommend "Jnaneshwari", a
> >> commentary on BhagavadGita by
> >>=
Jnaneshwar Maharaj. This is a unique commentary by a
> >> unique saint, wh=
o is
> >> the re-incarnation of a rishi and had a direct
> >> dwaitic and a=
dwaitic
> >> experience. There is a difference between writings
> >> coming=
from knowledge
> >> acquired by reading books or hearing from others and
>=
>> writings coming from
> >> the knowledge acquired in a direct experience=
. More
> >> than 700 years ago,
> >> Jnaneshwar Maharaj entered a cave in A=
landi in his
> >> physical body at the age
> >> of 21 years and still medit=
ating there. I have NOT
> >> read a more competent or
> >> sublime commenta=
ry on Krishna's teaching. It is
> >> quite an inspired work. A
> >> good En=
glish translation of this work is available
> >> at
> >>
> >>
> >
http://ww=
w.amazon.com/Jnaneshwars-Gita-Jnaneshwari-Swami-Kripananda/dp/0911307648
> =
>>
> >> "Yoga Vaasishtham" is the highest work on Hindu
> >> philosophy in =
my opinion.
> >> When Maharshi Viswamitra wanted Lord Ramachandra to
> >> c=
ome with him to forest,
> >> Rama was in confusion and a little pensive. In=
the
> >> presence of Maharshi
> >> Viswamitra, King Dasaratha and many oth=
er learned
> >> people, Maharshi Vasishtha
> >> imparted the essence of all=
Upanishats to Rama. His
> >> teachings were captured
> >> by Valmiki and t=
he work is known as "Yoga
> >> Vaasishtham". There is an inspired
> >> Engl=
ish translation available at
> >>
> >>
> >
http://www.amazon.com/Vasisthas-=
Yoga-Venkatesananda/dp/0791413640/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Dbooks&qid=3D12=
01988303&sr=3D1-1
> >>
> >> Various Puranas and Upanishats make a very usef=
ul
> >> reading too.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Narasimha
> >>
> > ------=
------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Do Ganapa=
thi Homam Yourself:
> >> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
> >> Spiritua=
lity:
> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
> >> Free Jyotish les=
sons (MP3):
> >> http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
> >> Free Jyotish softw=
are (Windows):
> >> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
> >> Sri Jagannath Centr=
e (SJC) website:
> >> http://www.SriJagannath.org
> >>
> > ----------------=
--------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> ----- Original=
Message -----
> >> From: "Sanjeev Narula" <san_narula@...>
> >> To: <vedi=
c-wisdom@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 12:46 AM
>=
> >>
> >>
> >> > Namaste Narasim=
ha Ji and all other aspirants.
> >> >
> >> > Although this is my first writ=
ing in this group
> >> but i have been
> >> > reading the threads for almos=
t one year now. And
> >> you people have
> >> > helped me a lot to find out=
the right path at many
> >> times but now i
> >> > feel a bit lost again.
=
> >> >
> >> > As it can be seen from my chart details what
> >> brought me =
here( and to
> >> > spiritual path) like many others. I still remember
> >>=
the thread where
> >> > Narasimha Ji said that there is no need to fear of=
> >> Sani and now i have

> >> > realised what he meant.
> >> >
> >> > I ha=
ve learned a little bit of astrology from this
> >> thread and from
> >> > =
other sources but with that i can not really make
> >> any decisions of
> =
>> > the path i need to follow. As i have seen that
> >> there are many
> >=
> > enlightened and intelligent aspirants in this
> >> group so if
> >> > s=
omeone(especially Narasimha Ji)can look at my
> >> chart and guide me i
> >=
> > will be very thankful. My birth details are given
> >> below:
> >> >
> =
>> > Birth Date- 17/03/1979
> >> > Birth Time- 12:45 PM
> >> > Birth Place-=
Ferozepur(Punjab), India
> >> >
> >> > Another thing is that till now i ha=
ve been reading
> >> some
> >> > Scriptures/Spiritual writings from here an=
d there
> >> and doing some
> >> > meditation and chanting of Mahamantra. I=
have
> >> really seen and
> >> > experienced the effect of all this but al=
l this
> >> was random and
> >> > unplanned. Now i have come to a stage whe=
re i feel
> >> that my spiritual
> >> > progress has stopped. So first of a=
ll i am
> >> thinking of reading more to
> >> > get some knowledge but i ha=
ve no idea what to read
> >> and from where to
> >> > get the books.
> >> >=
> >> > Second thing is i am planning to do Mahaganapathi

> >> Homam on a r=
egular
> >> > basis so i have bought all the Materials Needed
> >> except t=
he homa kundam
> >> > which i could not find as i live in Australia so
> >>=
can anyone tell me
> >> > what else can i use as i can not even dig a pit =
in
> >> the ground.
> >> >
> >> > Although there are so many other things i=
want to
> >> ask but if someone
> >> > can help me with only these i would=
be very
> >> thankful to him and i will
> >> > pray to Lord for him.
> >> =
>
> >> > Thanks in advance
> >> > Sanjeev
>
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Dear Kiran ji,
> Using Drigdasa for spiritual progress should happen only when it is
> indicated in the natal chart. Using divisional charts independent of
> natal chart is not correct.
Drigdasa is not based on divisional charts and it is based natal rasi chart
only.
> If natal chart indicates no spiritual progress then using Drigdasa

> independent of natal chart may not be right.
Of course!
> Spirituality is 9H in horoscope. First we need to see if 9H Lord is in

> sustana, then if benefics are in 9H or aspecting 9H - if all these are
> good then spiritual progress is indicated. Then we can use Drigdasa to
> tell person's spiritual progress
Thanks for your understanding, but I am afraid it is far more involved.

While the 9th house of dharma IS relevant for spiritual progress, that is
not all. The 5th house of mantra, 8th house of sadhana, the 12th house of
detachment, 3rd house of interaction with guru, 6th house of siddhis cannot
be ignored. Rasi, navamsa and vimsamsa charts are all important. In any
case, I do not want to turn this list into an astrology discussion group.
There are other forums for astrology.
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: "kiran.rama" <kiran.rama@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:31 PM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Need more help
> Dear Narasimhaji,

>
> Using Drigdasa for spiritual progress should happen only when it is
> indicated in the natal chart. Using divisional charts independent of
> natal chart is not correct.
>
> Spirituality is 9H in horoscope. First we need to see if 9H Lord is in
> sustana, then if benefics are in 9H or aspecting 9H - if all these are
> good then spiritual progress is indicated. Then we can use Drigdasa to
> tell person's spiritual progress
>
> If natal chart indicates no spiritual progress then using Drigdasa
> independent of natal chart may not be right.
>
> I use your JHora software and it is best in world - I also have a copy
> of your Vedic astrology book - I respect and admire you - I have just
> stated my understanding based on my discussions.
>
> Please don't take personally
>
> Thanks
> kiran
>
> --- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Namaste,
>>
>> Yes, I use drigdasa taught by Maharshi Parasara for timing spiritual
>> progress astrologically. This dasa applies to all people's charts.
>>
>> As I said earlier, I am a little hesitant to teach Chandi homam
> publicly,
>> unlike Mahaganapathi homam. If She inspires me in future to do so, I
> may.
>>
>> Chandi homam is quite powerful. If one with strong desires performs
> it well
>> for a period of time, one can fulfil most desires. Thus, there is
> scope for
>> abuse. Of course, the abuse cannot take place unless She wills it.
> It may be
>> Her will to make someone use this in a particular way and some negative
>> karma to be generated. However, the law of "equal reaction to
> actions" is
>> unbreakable and one will have to experience the fruits of the karma
>> incurred. To a self-realized person, no karma sticks and hence no
> fruit of a
>> karma sticks. When someone like Ramakrishna Paramahamsa or Ramana
> Maharshi
>> gets throat cancer for example, they may remain unaffected by it and
> see the
>> suffering of the body in the same way a physical pleasure is seen. But,
>> someone who is not there yet and someone who experiences fruits of
> different
>> karmas differently still (instead of looking at them the same way),
> needs to
>> be careful in choosing which karmas to undertake and which to avoid.
>>
>> On the other extreme, if one performs Chandi homam well for a period
> of time
>> without much desire, She can put one on the fast track and give a
> high level
>> of detachment and very quick spiritual progresss. It can sometimes
> be too
>> quick for the person.
>>
>> Chandi is the union of Mahakaali, Mahalakshmi and Mahasaraswati -
> three root
>> energies behind the creation, sustenance and destruction of this
> universe.
>> She is the primordial energy of this universe. She is too powerful.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Narasimha
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
>> Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
>> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
>> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: "Gaurav Kapur" <groovyacharya@...>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 1:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Need more help
>>
>>
>> > Dear Narasimhaji:
>> >
>> > Now that this question on spiritual growth has come.
>> > What dasha do you suggest to c spiritual growth. Do
>> > you use Drigdasha or have used it in this case only.
>> >
>> > Also I was wondering when you can guide us on how to
>> > perform Chandi homam.
>> >
>> > Thank you
>> > Gaurav
>> >
>> >
>> > --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Namaste Sanjeev ji,
>> >>
>> >> It happens to everybody. People find their path,
>> >> make some progress and then
>> >> feel lost again.
>> >>
>> >> You run the drigdasa of Pisces from March 2008 to
>> >> March 2017. Taking Cancer
>> >> as progressed lagna in Pisces dasa, the 9th house
>> >> will be strong with
>> >> Mercury and Sun and the 9th lord Jupiter will be in
>> >> lagna. The 8th house
>> >> will be prominent with Mars and Ketu, with 8th lords
>> >> Saturn and Rahu
>> >> aspecting them from 2nd. These 4 malefics on the 8th
>> >> house axis strongly
>> >> suggest powerful mystical experiences.
>> >>
>> >> You are on the verge of a rewarding time spiritually
>> >> speaking. Just keep
>> >> your faith and patience for a few more years and
>> >> keep doing your sadhana.
>> >>
>> >> The 5th house of devotion has Moon in rasi and
>> >> vimsamsa. This shows devotion
>> >> to Krishna. In navamsa, the 12th from atma karaka is
>> >> empty and Mercury owns
>> >> it. Mercury is in Scorpio with Rahu. This suggests
>> >> that worship of Lord
>> >> Varaha (Vishnu's boar incarnation) can give you fast
>> >> spiritual progress.
>> >>
>> >> Please contact suresh.battar@...
>> >> (http://ashramaustralia.net) and ask
>> >> him where you can get a homa kundam in Australia.
>> >> Swami Suresh Battar is a
>> >> Hindu priest in Canberra. In case homa kundas are
>> >> available there, he may be
>> >> able to direct you. In the worst case, any square or
>> >> circle shaped vessel
>> >> with some depth (made of copper or bronze but not
>> >> iron) can be used. Good
>> >> luck for your homam.
>> >>
>> >> Regarding books, there are too many. But direct
>> >> experience through
>> >> meditation is a far better teacher than books. Just
>> >> surrender to the Lord,
>> >> accept wholeheartedly that all the diverse objects
>> >> our senses perceive in
>> >> this universe are all different manifestations of
>> >> the Lord and that we are
>> >> perceiving them differently because of our own
>> >> impurity. If we keep
>> >> reminding ourselves of this whenever our mind is
>> >> overly attracted to or
>> >> repelled by something, that itself is a very useful
>> >> sadhana. In addition, if
>> >> you spend a considerable time everyday in
>> >> meditation, that too helps.
>> >>
>> >> For you, I strongly recommend "Jnaneshwari", a
>> >> commentary on BhagavadGita by
>> >> Jnaneshwar Maharaj. This is a unique commentary by a
>> >> unique saint, who is
>> >> the re-incarnation of a rishi and had a direct
>> >> dwaitic and adwaitic
>> >> experience. There is a difference between writings
>> >> coming from knowledge
>> >> acquired by reading books or hearing from others and
>> >> writings coming from
>> >> the knowledge acquired in a direct experience. More
>> >> than 700 years ago,
>> >> Jnaneshwar Maharaj entered a cave in Alandi in his
>> >> physical body at the age
>> >> of 21 years and still meditating there. I have NOT
>> >> read a more competent or
>> >> sublime commentary on Krishna's teaching. It is
>> >> quite an inspired work. A
>> >> good English translation of this work is available
>> >> at
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "Yoga Vaasishtham" is the highest work on Hindu
>> >> philosophy in my opinion.
>> >> When Maharshi Viswamitra wanted Lord Ramachandra to
>> >> come with him to forest,
>> >> Rama was in confusion and a little pensive. In the
>> >> presence of Maharshi
>> >> Viswamitra, King Dasaratha and many other learned
>> >> people, Maharshi Vasishtha
>> >> imparted the essence of all Upanishats to Rama. His
>> >> teachings were captured
>> >> by Valmiki and the work is known as "Yoga
>> >> Vaasishtham". There is an inspired
>> >> English translation available at
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Various Puranas and Upanishats make a very useful
>> >> reading too.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Narasimha
>> >>
>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:
>> >> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
>> >> Spirituality:
>> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
>> >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):
>> >> http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
>> >> Free Jyotish software (Windows):
>> >> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
>> >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:
>> >> http://www.SriJagannath.org
>> >>
>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Sanjeev Narula" <san_narula@...>
>> >> To: <vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 12:46 AM
>> >> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Need more help
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Namaste Narasimha Ji and all other aspirants.
>> >> >
>> >> > Although this is my first writing in this group
>> >> but i have been
>> >> > reading the threads for almost one year now. And
>> >> you people have
>> >> > helped me a lot to find out the right path at many
>> >> times but now i
>> >> > feel a bit lost again.
>> >> >
>> >> > As it can be seen from my chart details what
>> >> brought me here( and to
>> >> > spiritual path) like many others. I still remember
>> >> the thread where
>> >> > Narasimha Ji said that there is no need to fear of
>> >> Sani and now i have
>> >> > realised what he meant.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have learned a little bit of astrology from this
>> >> thread and from
>> >> > other sources but with that i can not really make
>> >> any decisions of
>> >> > the path i need to follow. As i have seen that
>> >> there are many
>> >> > enlightened and intelligent aspirants in this
>> >> group so if
>> >> > someone(especially Narasimha Ji)can look at my
>> >> chart and guide me i
>> >> > will be very thankful. My birth details are given
>> >> below:
>> >> >
>> >> > Birth Date- 17/03/1979
>> >> > Birth Time- 12:45 PM
>> >> > Birth Place- Ferozepur(Punjab), India
>> >> >
>> >> > Another thing is that till now i have been reading
>> >> some
>> >> > Scriptures/Spiritual writings from here and there
>> >> and doing some
>> >> > meditation and chanting of Mahamantra. I have
>> >> really seen and
>> >> > experienced the effect of all this but all this
>> >> was random and
>> >> > unplanned. Now i have come to a stage where i feel
>> >> that my spiritual
>> >> > progress has stopped. So first of all i am
>> >> thinking of reading more to
>> >> > get some knowledge but i have no idea what to read
>> >> and from where to
>> >> > get the books.
>> >> >
>> >> > Second thing is i am planning to do Mahaganapathi
>> >> Homam on a regular
>> >> > basis so i have bought all the Materials Needed
>> >> except the homa kundam
>> >> > which i could not find as i live in Australia so
>> >> can anyone tell me
>> >> > what else can i use as i can not even dig a pit in
>> >> the ground.
>> >> >
>> >> > Although there are so many other things i want to
>> >> ask but if someone
>> >> > can help me with only these i would be very
>> >> thankful to him and i will
>> >> > pray to Lord for him.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks in advance
>> >> > Sanjeev
>>
>
>
>
>
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I have following doubts:
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2.On Sarvathobhadra Chart when I right click i get Veda option, how to use and
understand that. What is the letters in the inner box refers. Is there any material
available either inthe form of Audio or Vedeo or PDF format, please give me
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and principle and interprettion skill regarding Sarvathobadra and Thithi Pravesa
chart analysis.</div> <div>I have following doubts:</div> <div>1.<FONT
color=#ff0000><STRONG>Thithi Pravesa</STRONG></FONT> when I chose Monthly or Daily
<FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff80"
color=#007f40><STRONG>Before/After</STRONG></FONT> what is that stand for.</div>
<div>2.On <FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG>Sarvathobhadra Chart</STRONG></FONT> when I
right click i get <FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffbf"
color=#007f40><STRONG>Veda option</STRONG></FONT>, how to use and understand that.
What is the letters in the inner box refers. Is there any material available either
inthe form of <STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff>Audio or Vedeo or PDF</FONT></STRONG>
format, please give me reference.</div> <div>Thank you</div> <div>Regds.</div>
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Hari OM
Namaste Narasimha Ji
First of all I would like to thank you for =

the illustrative and quick
reply. I really dont have the words to express =
my gratitude.
First of all with Homam Kundam I have ordered it online from=

an Indian
store, I am expecting it in few weeks time after which I will s=
tart
doing Homam.
Another thing is you mentioned about drigdasa Pisces fro=

m March 2008
to March 2017 but when I checked in Parashar it shows me it is=
from
March 2007 to March 2016. I am just a novice in astrology so if you
c=
an explain me which one is correct.
As you mentioned it is correct that I =

have been a devotee of Shri
Krishna since childhood.
Next thing is about m=

editation, can you please advise me any good
meditation postures or any boo=
k where I can learn some.
Like I said before there are so many other quest=

ions which come up in
my mind. Although you will find that most of them are=
silly questions
but if you can answer them in brief it will increase my fa=
ith in
scriptures and clear my doubts.
-When did Lord Ramchandra appear. S=

ome say He appeared few thousand
years before Lord Krishna, Is that true?
=
-As most of the people believe these days that the Vedas were
written/revea=
led 7-8000 yrs ago, if this is true then what was the
source of knowledge b=
efore that?
-Why most of the Darshans are also few thousand years old, was=
nt there
any philosophy before that?
-What is the divison of the ages(yuga=

s). Again there is a lot of
confusion here as some say they are thousands o=
f years long but others
say millions of years long. Can you please explain =
it.
-You advised me to worship Lord Varaha (Vishnu's boar incarnation).

Ca=
n you please explain if this is an allegory/metaphor or a real story
and is=
there any special method to worship Varaha incarnation. Also
can you pleas=
e illustrate the meaning of the form of Vishnu.
-I am getting married in O=
ct this year, can u please tell me how is it
going to affect my spiritual l=
ife. My fiancee's Birth Details- 02 Oct
1980, 13:20, New Delhi, India.
I =
do not want to waste too much of your precious time but I feel only
you can=
clear my doubts as there is no one else whom I can ask.
Thank you
Sanjee=
v
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...>

wr=
ote:
>
> Namaste Sanjeev ji,
>
> It happens to everybody. People find thei=
r path, make some progress
and then
> feel lost again.
>
> You run the dr=
igdasa of Pisces from March 2008 to March 2017. Taking
Cancer
> as progres=
sed lagna in Pisces dasa, the 9th house will be strong with
> Mercury and =
Sun and the 9th lord Jupiter will be in lagna. The 8th
house
> will be pro=
minent with Mars and Ketu, with 8th lords Saturn and Rahu
> aspecting them=
from 2nd. These 4 malefics on the 8th house axis
strongly
> suggest power=
ful mystical experiences.
>
> You are on the verge of a rewarding time spi=
ritually speaking. Just
keep
> your faith and patience for a few more year=
s and keep doing your
sadhana.
>
> The 5th house of devotion has Moon in r=
asi and vimsamsa. This shows
devotion
> to Krishna. In navamsa, the 12th f=
rom atma karaka is empty and
Mercury owns
> it. Mercury is in Scorpio with=
Rahu. This suggests that worship of Lord
> Varaha (Vishnu's boar incarnat=
ion) can give you fast spiritual progress.
>
> Please contact suresh.batta=
r@... (http://ashramaustralia.net) and ask
> him where you can get a homa =
kundam in Australia. Swami Suresh
Battar is a
> Hindu priest in Canberra. =
In case homa kundas are available there,
he may be
> able to direct you. I=
n the worst case, any square or circle shaped
vessel
> with some depth (ma=
de of copper or bronze but not iron) can be used.
Good
> luck for your hom=
am.
>
> Regarding books, there are too many. But direct experience through=
> meditation is a far better teacher than books. Just surrender to the
Lo=
rd,
> accept wholeheartedly that all the diverse objects our senses
percei=
ve in
> this universe are all different manifestations of the Lord and tha=
t
we are
> perceiving them differently because of our own impurity. If we =
keep
> reminding ourselves of this whenever our mind is overly attracted t=
o or
> repelled by something, that itself is a very useful sadhana. In
add=
ition, if
> you spend a considerable time everyday in meditation, that too=
helps.
>
> For you, I strongly recommend "Jnaneshwari", a commentary on
B=
hagavadGita by
> Jnaneshwar Maharaj. This is a unique commentary by a uniq=
ue saint,
who is
> the re-incarnation of a rishi and had a direct dwaitic =
and adwaitic
> experience. There is a difference between writings coming f=
rom
knowledge
> acquired by reading books or hearing from others and writi=
ngs coming
from
> the knowledge acquired in a direct experience. More than=
700 years ago,
> Jnaneshwar Maharaj entered a cave in Alandi in his physi=
cal body at
the age
> of 21 years and still meditating there. I have NOT r=
ead a more
competent or
> sublime commentary on Krishna's teaching. It is =
quite an inspired
work. A
> good English translation of this work is avail=
able at
>
>
http://www.amazon.com/Jnaneshwars-Gita-Jnaneshwari-Swami-Kripa=
nanda/dp/0911307648
>
> "Yoga Vaasishtham" is the highest work on Hindu ph=
ilosophy in my
opinion.
> When Maharshi Viswamitra wanted Lord Ramachandra=
to come with him to
forest,
> Rama was in confusion and a little pensive.=
In the presence of Maharshi
> Viswamitra, King Dasaratha and many other l=
earned people, Maharshi
Vasishtha
> imparted the essence of all Upanishats=
to Rama. His teachings were
captured
> by Valmiki and the work is known a=
s "Yoga Vaasishtham". There is an
inspired
> English translation available=
at
>
>
http://www.amazon.com/Vasisthas-Yoga-Venkatesananda/dp/0791413640/=
ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Dbooks&qid=3D1201988303&sr=3D1-1
>
> Various Pur=
anas and Upanishats make a very useful reading too.
>
> Best regards,
> Na=
rasimha
> -----------------------------------------------------------------=
-
> Spi=
rituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
> Free Jyotish lesson=
s (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
> Free Jyotish software (Window=
s): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: ht=
tp://www.SriJagannath.org
> -----------------------------------------------=
-------------------
>
> From: "Sanjeev Nar=
ula" <san_narula@...>
> Sent: Saturday=
, February 02, 2008 12:46 AM
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Need more help
>
> =
> > Namaste Narasimha Ji and all other aspirants.

> >
> > Although this is=
my first writing in this group but i have been
> > reading the threads for=
almost one year now. And you people have
> > helped me a lot to find out t=
he right path at many times but now i
> > feel a bit lost again.
> >
> > As=
it can be seen from my chart details what brought me here( and to
> > spir=
itual path) like many others. I still remember the thread where
> > Narasim=
ha Ji said that there is no need to fear of Sani and now i have
> > realise=
d what he meant.
> >
> > I have learned a little bit of astrology from this=
thread and from
> > other sources but with that i can not really make any=
decisions of
> > the path i need to follow. As i have seen that there are =
many
> > enlightened and intelligent aspirants in this group so if
> > some=
one(especially Narasimha Ji)can look at my chart and guide me i
> > will be=
very thankful. My birth details are given below:
> >
> > Birth Date- 17/03=
/1979
> > Birth Time- 12:45 PM
> > Birth Place- Ferozepur(Punjab), India
> =
>
> > Another thing is that till now i have been reading some
> > Scripture=
s/Spiritual writings from here and there and doing some
> > meditation and =
chanting of Mahamantra. I have really seen and
> > experienced the effect o=
f all this but all this was random and
> > unplanned. Now i have come to a =
stage where i feel that my spiritual
> > progress has stopped. So first of =
all i am thinking of reading more to
> > get some knowledge but i have no i=
dea what to read and from where to
> > get the books.
> >
> > Second thing =
is i am planning to do Mahaganapathi Homam on a regular
> > basis so i have=
bought all the Materials Needed except the homa kundam
> > which i could n=
ot find as i live in Australia so can anyone tell me
> > what else can i us=
e as i can not even dig a pit in the ground.
> >
> > Although there are so =
many other things i want to ask but if someone
> > can help me with only th=
ese i would be very thankful to him and i will
> > pray to Lord for him.
> =
>
> > Thanks in advance
> > Sanjeev
>
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Namaste,
> -When did Lord Ramchandra appear. Some say He appeared few thousand
> years before Lord Krishna, Is that true?
Atleast 1.8 million years back.
> -As most of the people believe these days that the Vedas were
> written/revealed 7-8000 yrs ago, if this is true then what was the
> source of knowledge before that?
Vedas are millions of years old. They are arranged in their current form by
Vyasa about 5,000 years back. But they were revealed to rishis millions of
years back. Yogis have been meditating on verses from Vedas and realizing
universal truths represented by them for millions of years.
> -Why most of the Darshans are also few thousand years old, wasnt there
> any philosophy before that?
The modern chronology of Hindu scriptures was created by people with heavy
biases and agendas. Darshanas are not a few thousand of years old.
We had Veda(s), vedanta, vedangas, darshanas etc for millions of years.
> -What is the divison of the ages(yugas). Again there is a lot of

> confusion here as some say they are thousands of years long but others
> say millions of years long. Can you please explain it.
Krita/Sat yuga is 1,728,000 years long. Treta yuga is 1,296,000 years long.
Dwapara yuga is 864,000 years long. Current Kali yuga started about 5,000
years back and it is 432,000 years long.
Yukeshwar maharaj (guru of Paramahamsa Yogananda) took a different view,

where all the above numbers are divided by 360. He is a great yogi and
belongs to a great lineage and I have the highest respect. But he is simply
wrong on this. A yogi can experience all times and spaces. In fact, time is
a very weird concept, even though it seems natural to us when we are
completely bound to this body in this particular space-time continuum. When
a yogi enters nirvikalpa samadhi, there is no space and time for him/her.
The space-time continuum experienced by a yogi in different realms of
consciousness are different. I submit that Yukteshwar Maharaj made some
mistake, either intentionally or unintentionally, in drawing conclusions
from his experiences.
Traditionally, we mention the number of years that passed since Kali yuga
started, at the start of every ritual. The number mentioned (about 5,000
years) matches with the astronomical dating of Mahabharata. All the
astronomical combinations mentioned by Vyasa in Mahabharata occurred in that
sequence in a consistent manner about 5,000 years back. There were tens of
those eventsand they occurred in that sequence only once in the last 7,400
years. For sure, Krishna lived about 5,000 years back and Kali yuga started
then.
> -You advised me to worship Lord Varaha (Vishnu's boar incarnation).

> Can you please explain if this is an allegory/metaphor or a real story
> and is there any special method to worship Varaha incarnation. Also
> can you please illustrate the meaning of the form of Vishnu.
All the stories of Puranas are metaphors of some internal happenings and
also real stories at the same time.
Each of is a microcosm of the entire universe. Thus, macro events described

in scriptures happen microcosmically inside us. It is equally valid to see
them as real stories and as metaphors. When one's self-consciousness ascends
to a particular realm of consciousness, it is actually possible to see one
of these stories actually happening. In our normal realm of consciousness,
these are just stories and we can only understand them intellectually.
There are Jupiter, his wife Tara, Moon and Mercury externally. Internally,
they represent the intelligence, the expression of intelligence, mind and
learning ability (respectively). The story of Jupiter's wife Tara begetting
a child (Mercury) through Moon is real. It is also a metaphor for the fact
that internally, mind combines with the expression of intelligence to
generate learning ability.
Regarding Varaha avatara, here is my view. Hiranya means gold and also
great. Aksha has many meanings, but one of them is "sense organs". The demon
Hiranyaksha symbolizes the mighty sense organs. He stole Mother earth and
sunk Her in water. Mother earth is symbolized by Kundalini
(self-consciousness, microcosmic representation of the divine Mother within
each person) who is normally in the Mooladhara chakra (earth element). When
a sadhaka is caught by the mighty sense organs, Kundalini
(self-consciousness) is stuck in the samsara saagara (the ocean of material
life) and loses balance. Lord Vishnu (sattwa guna in a person) takes the
form of a boar and comes from the nostril of the creator. He digs in and
rescues earth from Hiranyaksha. When sattwa guna enters the praana (life
force - nostril reference) of a person, dives down to Mooladhara and
destroys the attachment to the mighty sense organs there, the Mother is
freed and can move up to Merge with the Lord (i.e. self-consciousness
ascending to merge with Brahman). Basically Varaha avatara represents the
sattwa guna in a person that tries to give detachment from the perceptions
of the sense organs and then make the calm praana dives down to Mooladhara
to give balance to Kundalini to move up.
> -I am getting married in Oct this year, can u please tell me how is it
> going to affect my spiritual life. My fiancee's Birth Details- 02 Oct
> 1980, 13:20, New Delhi, India.
Good luck with your marital life!
> Another thing is you mentioned about drigdasa Pisces from March 2008
> to March 2017 but when I checked in Parashar it shows me it is from
> March 2007 to March 2016. I am just a novice in astrology so if you
> can explain me which one is correct.
Drigdasa was taught incorrectly by some teachers earlier, based on wrongly

remembered teachings of tradition. Most softwares (including my own
Jagannatha Hora software) calculate it incorrectly. My personal version of
the software (to be released to the public later) calculates it based on
Parasara's teachings and I believe it to be correct based on my study of the
charts of several spiritualists. I taught it in the recent two issues of
"Jyotish Digest" magazine.
> Next thing is about meditation, can you please advise me any good
> meditation postures or any book where I can learn some.
Don't worry about technicalities too much. The most fundamental thing is
that your back and neck should be erect, straight and not tense at the same
time. You may sit on floor cross-legged preferably or even sit in a chair if
you have weak knees. The most important thing is the back and neck being
erect. Secondly, close the eyes, otherwise a lot of fire is wasted in the
act of seeing. That agni is better used for other things! Then repeat the
mantra. If your focus is wandering elsewhere, don't panic and worry too
much. Just bring back your mind to the mantra. Try your best to focus on the
mantra. With time, you will succeed.
Finally remember - no effort is wasted. Even an effort that seems to be not

yielding results is actually working towards a final result. If a straw of
the grass makes the scales tilt, it does not mean all the objects placed on
the scale previously were unneeded! Just have faith and keep doing sadhana.
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 4:22 AM
> Hari OM
>
> Namaste Narasimha Ji
>
> First of all I would like to thank you for the illustrative and quick
> reply. I really dont have the words to express my gratitude.
>
> First of all with Homam Kundam I have ordered it online from an Indian
> store, I am expecting it in few weeks time after which I will start
> doing Homam.
>
> Another thing is you mentioned about drigdasa Pisces from March 2008
> to March 2017 but when I checked in Parashar it shows me it is from
> March 2007 to March 2016. I am just a novice in astrology so if you
> can explain me which one is correct.
>
> As you mentioned it is correct that I have been a devotee of Shri
> Krishna since childhood.
>
> Next thing is about meditation, can you please advise me any good
> meditation postures or any book where I can learn some.
>
> Like I said before there are so many other questions which come up in
> my mind. Although you will find that most of them are silly questions
> but if you can answer them in brief it will increase my faith in
> scriptures and clear my doubts.
>
> -When did Lord Ramchandra appear. Some say He appeared few thousand
> years before Lord Krishna, Is that true?
>
> -As most of the people believe these days that the Vedas were
> written/revealed 7-8000 yrs ago, if this is true then what was the
> source of knowledge before that?
>
> -Why most of the Darshans are also few thousand years old, wasnt there
> any philosophy before that?
>
> -What is the divison of the ages(yugas). Again there is a lot of
> confusion here as some say they are thousands of years long but others
> say millions of years long. Can you please explain it.
>
> -You advised me to worship Lord Varaha (Vishnu's boar incarnation).
> Can you please explain if this is an allegory/metaphor or a real story
> and is there any special method to worship Varaha incarnation. Also
> can you please illustrate the meaning of the form of Vishnu.
>
> -I am getting married in Oct this year, can u please tell me how is it
> going to affect my spiritual life. My fiancee's Birth Details- 02 Oct
> 1980, 13:20, New Delhi, India.
>
>
> I do not want to waste too much of your precious time but I feel only
> you can clear my doubts as there is no one else whom I can ask.
>
> Thank you
> Sanjeev
>
> wrote:
>>
>> Namaste Sanjeev ji,
>>
>> It happens to everybody. People find their path, make some progress
> and then
>> feel lost again.
>>
>> You run the drigdasa of Pisces from March 2008 to March 2017. Taking
> Cancer
>> as progressed lagna in Pisces dasa, the 9th house will be strong with
>> Mercury and Sun and the 9th lord Jupiter will be in lagna. The 8th
> house
>> will be prominent with Mars and Ketu, with 8th lords Saturn and Rahu
>> aspecting them from 2nd. These 4 malefics on the 8th house axis
> strongly
>> suggest powerful mystical experiences.
>>
>> You are on the verge of a rewarding time spiritually speaking. Just
> keep
>> your faith and patience for a few more years and keep doing your
> sadhana.
>>
>> The 5th house of devotion has Moon in rasi and vimsamsa. This shows
> devotion
>> to Krishna. In navamsa, the 12th from atma karaka is empty and
> Mercury owns
>> it. Mercury is in Scorpio with Rahu. This suggests that worship of Lord
>> Varaha (Vishnu's boar incarnation) can give you fast spiritual progress.
>>
>> Please contact suresh.battar@... (http://ashramaustralia.net) and ask
>> him where you can get a homa kundam in Australia. Swami Suresh
> Battar is a
>> Hindu priest in Canberra. In case homa kundas are available there,
> he may be
>> able to direct you. In the worst case, any square or circle shaped
> vessel
>> with some depth (made of copper or bronze but not iron) can be used.
> Good
>> luck for your homam.
>>
>> Regarding books, there are too many. But direct experience through
>> meditation is a far better teacher than books. Just surrender to the
> Lord,
>> accept wholeheartedly that all the diverse objects our senses
> perceive in
>> this universe are all different manifestations of the Lord and that
> we are
>> perceiving them differently because of our own impurity. If we keep
>> reminding ourselves of this whenever our mind is overly attracted to or
>> repelled by something, that itself is a very useful sadhana. In
> addition, if
>> you spend a considerable time everyday in meditation, that too helps.
>>
>> For you, I strongly recommend "Jnaneshwari", a commentary on
> BhagavadGita by
>> Jnaneshwar Maharaj. This is a unique commentary by a unique saint,
> who is
>> the re-incarnation of a rishi and had a direct dwaitic and adwaitic
>> experience. There is a difference between writings coming from
> knowledge
>> acquired by reading books or hearing from others and writings coming
> from
>> the knowledge acquired in a direct experience. More than 700 years ago,
>> Jnaneshwar Maharaj entered a cave in Alandi in his physical body at
> the age
>> of 21 years and still meditating there. I have NOT read a more
> competent or
>> sublime commentary on Krishna's teaching. It is quite an inspired
> work. A
>> good English translation of this work is available at
>>
>>
>>
>> "Yoga Vaasishtham" is the highest work on Hindu philosophy in my
> opinion.
>> When Maharshi Viswamitra wanted Lord Ramachandra to come with him to
> forest,
>> Rama was in confusion and a little pensive. In the presence of Maharshi
>> Viswamitra, King Dasaratha and many other learned people, Maharshi
> Vasishtha
>> imparted the essence of all Upanishats to Rama. His teachings were
> captured
>> by Valmiki and the work is known as "Yoga Vaasishtham". There is an
> inspired
>> English translation available at
>>
>>
>>
>> Various Puranas and Upanishats make a very useful reading too.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Narasimha
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 12:46 AM
>>
>>
>> > Namaste Narasimha Ji and all other aspirants.
>> >
>> > Although this is my first writing in this group but i have been
>> > reading the threads for almost one year now. And you people have
>> > helped me a lot to find out the right path at many times but now i
>> > feel a bit lost again.
>> >
>> > As it can be seen from my chart details what brought me here( and to
>> > spiritual path) like many others. I still remember the thread where
>> > Narasimha Ji said that there is no need to fear of Sani and now i have
>> > realised what he meant.
>> >
>> > I have learned a little bit of astrology from this thread and from
>> > other sources but with that i can not really make any decisions of
>> > the path i need to follow. As i have seen that there are many
>> > enlightened and intelligent aspirants in this group so if
>> > someone(especially Narasimha Ji)can look at my chart and guide me i
>> > will be very thankful. My birth details are given below:
>> >
>> > Birth Date- 17/03/1979
>> > Birth Time- 12:45 PM
>> > Birth Place- Ferozepur(Punjab), India
>> >
>> > Another thing is that till now i have been reading some
>> > Scriptures/Spiritual writings from here and there and doing some
>> > meditation and chanting of Mahamantra. I have really seen and
>> > experienced the effect of all this but all this was random and
>> > unplanned. Now i have come to a stage where i feel that my spiritual
>> > progress has stopped. So first of all i am thinking of reading more to
>> > get some knowledge but i have no idea what to read and from where to
>> > get the books.
>> >
>> > Second thing is i am planning to do Mahaganapathi Homam on a regular
>> > basis so i have bought all the Materials Needed except the homa kundam
>> > which i could not find as i live in Australia so can anyone tell me
>> > what else can i use as i can not even dig a pit in the ground.
>> >
>> > Although there are so many other things i want to ask but if someone
>> > can help me with only these i would be very thankful to him and i will
>> > pray to Lord for him.
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance
>> > Sanjeev

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Heart Attacks And Drinking Warm Water
This is a very good article. Not only about the warm water after your meal, but
about
Heart Attacks . The Chinese and Japanese drink hot tea with their meals, not cold
water, maybe it is time we adopt their drinking habit while eating.
For those who like to drink cold water, this article is applicable to you. It is
nice to have a cup of cold drink after a meal. However, the cold water will
solidify the oily stuff that you have just consumed. It will slow down the
digestion. Once this 'sludge' reacts with the acid, it will break down and be
absorbed by the intestine faster than the solid food. It will line the intestine.
Very soon, this will turn into fats and lead to cancer. It is best to drink hot
soup or warm water after a meal.
C ommon Symptoms Of Heart Attack...

A serious note about heart attacks - You should know that not every heart attack
symptom is going to be the left arm hurting . Be aware of intense pain in the jaw
line .
You may never have the first chest pain during the course of a heart attack. Nausea
and intense sweating are also common symptoms. 60% of people who have a heart
attack while they are asleep do not wake up. Pain in the jaw can wake you from a
sound sleep. Let's be careful and be aware. The more we know, the better chance we
could survive.
A cardiologist says if everyone who reads this message sends it to 10 people, you
can be sure that we'll save at least one life. Read this & Send to a friend. It
could save a life. So, please be a true friend and send this article to all your
friends you care about.
Regards.
K.V.Vighnesh
Chennai
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hurting</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; TEXT-DECORATION: none"> .
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have the first </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: red; TEXT-DECORATION:
none">chest pain</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; TEXT-DECORATION:
none"> during the course of a heart attack. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt;
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18pt; COLOR: black; TEXT-DECORATION: none"> are also common symptoms. 60% of people
who have a heart attack while they are asleep do not wake up. Pain in the jaw can
wake you from a sound sleep. Let's be careful and be aware. The more we know, the
better chance we could survive.<BR>A </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR:
red; TEXT-DECORATION: none">cardiologist</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black; TEXT-
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sure that we'll save at least one life. Read this & Send to a friend. It could save
a life. So, please be a true friend and send this article to all your friends you
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Namaskaram anna,
I saw this movie and I cannot help responding.
It is t=
rue that Hindus and sanatana dharma suffered badly at the hands of Muslim i=
nvaders (and other invaders), but it is wrong to take out that anger on Akb=
ar. Some people cannot see beyond a man's name and religion and hence canno=
t recognize when a great celestial being is born in a different religion.
=
Swami Vimalananda, the Aghori yogi mentioned in the "Aghora" series books,=
is somebody who achieved the highest states of consciousness. He received =
a lot of knowledge directly from Mother Tara. Accordinging to him, Akbar an=
d Jodha were the re-incarnation of Samyukta and Rajput King Prithviraj Chou=
han. As Prithviraj, he repelled so many Muslim invaders at the border of In=
dia. When Muslims finally conquered India, he was reborn as one of them and=
put breaks on their aggression and changed their ways.
In that age, Musl=

im invaders engaged in barbarism, destroyed temples, libraries and other re=
lics of native religion and culture. They beheaded Hindus who refused to co=
nvert, they raped Hindu women and they beheaded defeated kings. They just t=
ried to wipe out the native religion and culture and replace with theirs. A=
kbar slowed down the barbarism and aggression and promoted tolerance and in=
tegration. He stopped the forced conversions, rapes and beheadings of Hindu=
s. He stopped the destruction of temples and libraries. He talked about res=
pecting other religions while following one's own religion. He even took on=
the mighty Muslim clerics when he abolished a special tax on Hindus based =
on religion. He was a man of great character, conviction and principles and=
was utterly fearless. He had affinity for Rajputs and was even born in a R=
ajput family and spent early years there. He displayed the samskaras and in=
stincts of a refined and cultured Rajput more than those a of Mughal king -=
he was so unlike his grandfather Babar, father Humayun and step-brother Ad=
ham.
He used to offer arghyas to Sun in the morning and then participate =

in a Zoroastrian fire ritual of Farsis (similar to our homam) and then do a=
namaz with Muslim clerics. Such tolerance was unheard of from any other Mu=
slim ruler in those days (or perhaps even today!). Towards the end of his l=
ife, he even started his own religion, which was based on his realization a=
nd is quite noble. He was a spiritually elevated soul. Irrespective of the =
religion one follows, one deserves our respect and admiration if one embodi=
es the spirit of sanatana dharma in one's thoughts and actions.
Akbar was=
a true hero - a being who came down from a higher loka to fulfil a certain=
mission with the blessings of rishis. His contribution to the safekeeping =
of sanatana dharma is not to be judged from what harm his fellow Muslims in=
flicted on sanatana dharma. His contribution is to be judged from what *mor=
e* harm to sanatana dharma he helped *avoid*. If he had not come, I have no=
doubt that sanatana dharma would have suffered much much more than it did.=
That was not the wish of rishis and that is why they sent somebody to alte=
r the course and minimize the harm. It is unfortunate that those who see th=
e goodness of emperor Ashoka and king Shivaji cannot see the goodness of Ak=
bar simply because he was a Muslim.
It is unfortunate that some Hindus ar=

e equating Akbar with the other cruel and barbaric Muslim kings. Who should=
be (was) a friend of Hindus is being portrayed as an enemy and being shot =
down. Instead, we should promote his story and inspire more people to be li=
ke him. He was a great inspirational figure then and should be now too.
T=
he epic movie "Jodha Albar" is a very good movie about one of the greatest =
and most dharmik emperors of India. The director and actor did justice to a=
man of great character that Akbar was. I am sad about the mud-slinging tha=
t some of my fellow Hindus are engaging in. Please do not assassinate the c=
haracter of Akbar.
If you want, please make movies of the same caliber an=

d cinematic excellence on great Hindu heroes such as Chatrapati Shivaji, Pr=
ithviraj Chouhan, Sri Krishnadeva Raya, Vikramarka, Salivahana, Ashoka, Jna=
aneshwar, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Shankaracharya, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Vi=
vekananda, Ramana Maharshi etc. But there is no need to denigrate a fine mo=
vie made on Akbar.
These are my 2 cents on the fire over Jodha Akbar.
B=
est regards,
Narasimha
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Namaskar
This i=
s an awareness drive to awake people to boycott movie 'Jodhaa Akbar'.
Th=
e movie Jodhaa Akbar is a vile, vicious, and covert attempt by a mischievou=
s producer/director from Bollywood (Mumbai) to make quick bucks by denigrat=
ing and vilifying the Hindu (Rajput) people. Sonia's (Antonia Maino) Congre=
ss government promtly banned 'Da Vinci Code' movie after Christians' protes=
t, but this Secular (?) government is so insensitive about Hindus protest a=
bout 'Jodhaa-Akbar' !
Visit - http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/3815.htm=
l to -
a.. Know true story of Cruel Akbar and Jodhaabai

b.. Know =
the people behind this conspiracy (The movie crew)
c.. View glimpses o=
f protests
Send this mail to your friends for creating awareness and prot=
ecting self-respect.
Shameful Hindus who throng to watch Jodhaa-Akbar, a=

film which glorifies Hindu hater Cruel Akbar, are worthy of getting killed=
by Terrorists!
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Namaska=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I saw this movie and I cannot help

respo=
nding.</FONT></DIV>
<D=
IV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It is true that Hindus and sanatana dharma s=
uffered
badly at the hands of Muslim invaders (and other invaders), but it=
is wrong to
take out that anger on Akbar. Some people cannot see beyond a=
man's name and
religion and hence cannot recognize when a great celestial=
being is born in a
different religion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Swami Vima=
lananda, the Aghori yogi mentioned in the
"Aghora" series books, is somebo=
dy who achieved the highest states of
consciousness. He received a lot of =
knowledge directly from Mother Tara.
Accordinging to him, Akbar and Jodha =
were the re-incarnation of Samyukta and
Rajput King Prithviraj Chouhan. As=
Prithviraj, he repelled so many Muslim
invaders at the border of India. W=
hen Muslims finally conquered India, he was
reborn as one of them and put =
breaks on their aggression and changed their
ways.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
>In that age, Muslim invaders engaged in barbarism,
destroyed temples, lib=
raries and other relics of native religion and culture.
They beheaded Hind=
us who refused to convert, they raped Hindu women and they
beheaded defeat=
ed kings. They just tried to wipe out the native religion and
culture and =
replace with theirs. Akbar slowed down the barbarism and aggression
and pr=
omoted tolerance and integration. He stopped the forced conversions,
rapes=
and beheadings of Hindus. He stopped the destruction of temples and
=
libraries. He talked about respecting other religions while following one's=
own
religion. He even took on the mighty Muslim clerics when he abolished=
a special
tax on Hindus based on religion. He was a man of great characte=
r, conviction and
principles and was utterly fearless. He had affinity for=
Rajputs and was even
born in a Rajput family and spent early years there.=
He displayed the samskaras
and instincts of a refined and cultured Rajput=
more than those a of Mughal king
- he was so unlike his grandfather Babar=
, father Humayun and step-brother
Adham.</FONT></DIV>
ial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>He used t=
o offer arghyas to Sun in the morning and
then participate in a Zoroastria=
n fire ritual of Farsis (similar to our homam)
and then do a namaz with Mu=
slim clerics. Such tolerance was unheard of from any
other Muslim ruler in=
those days (or perhaps even today!). Towards the end of
his life, he even=
started his own religion, which was based on his realization
and is quite=
noble. He was a spiritually elevated soul. Irrespective of the
religion o=
ne follows, one deserves our respect and admiration if one embodies
the sp=
irit of sanatana dharma in one's thoughts and actions.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><F=
ONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
=3D2>Akbar was a true hero - a being who came down from
a higher loka to f=
ulfil a certain mission with the blessings of rishis. His
contribution to =
the safekeeping of sanatana dharma is not to be judged from what
harm his =
fellow Muslims inflicted on sanatana dharma. His contribution is to be
jud=
ged from what *more* harm to sanatana dharma he helped *avoid*. If he had n=
ot
come, I have no doubt that sanatana dharma would have suffered much muc=
h more
than it did. That was not the wish of rishis and that is why they s=
ent somebody
to alter the course and minimize the harm. It is unfortunate =
that those who see
the goodness of emperor Ashoka and king Shivaji cannot =
see the goodness of Akbar
simply because he was a Muslim.</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial s=
ize=3D2>It is unfortunate that some Hindus are equating
Akbar with the oth=
er cruel and barbaric Muslim kings. Who should be (was) a
friend of Hindus=
is being portrayed as an enemy and being shot
down. Instead, we shou=
ld promote his story and inspire more people to be
like him. He was a grea=
t inspirational figure then and should be now
too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
>The epic movie "Jodha Albar" is a very good movie
about one of the greate=
st and most dharmik emperors of India. The director and
actor did justice =
to a man of great character that Akbar was. I am sad about the
mud-slingin=
g that some of my fellow Hindus are engaging in. Please do not
assassinate=
the character of Akbar.</FONT></DIV>
p;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you want, please make m=
ovies of the same caliber
and cinematic excellence on great Hindu heroes s=
uch as Chatrapati Shivaji,
Prithviraj Chouhan, Sri Krishnadeva Raya, Vikra=
marka, Salivahana, Ashoka,
Jnaaneshwar, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Shankarachar=
ya, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,
Vivekananda, Ramana Maharshi etc. But there i=
s no need to denigrate a fine movie
made on Akbar.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
>These are my 2 cents on the fire over Jodha
Akbar.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FON=
T face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D=
2>Best
------------------------<BR>Do
href=3D"http:=
//www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</A><B=
R>Spirituality:
<A
href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom">ht=
tp://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom</A><BR>Free
Jyotish lessons (MP3)=
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mcast.net</A><BR>Free
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href=3D"http://www.V=
edicAstrologer.org">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org</A><BR>Sri
Jagannath Ce=
ntre (SJC) website: <A
href=3D"http://www.SriJagannath.org">http://www.Sri=
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ace=3DArial
size=3D2></FONT><BR>Namaskar<BR><BR><B><SPAN style=3D"COLOR:=
rgb(0,0,153)">This is
an awareness drive to awake people to boycott mov=
ie 'Jodhaa
Akbar'.</SPAN></B><BR><BR>The movie Jodhaa Akbar is a vile, v=
icious, and
covert attempt by a mischievous producer/director from Bolly=
wood (Mumbai) to
make quick bucks by denigrating and vilifying the Hindu=
(Rajput) people.
Sonia's (Antonia Maino) Congress government promtly ba=
nned 'Da Vinci Code'
movie after Christians' protest, but this Secular (=
?) government is so
insensitive about Hindus protest about 'Jodhaa-Akbar=
' ! <BR><BR>Visit - <B><A
href=3D"http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/3815.=
html"
target=3D_blank>http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/3815.html</A></B>=
to -<BR>
<UL>
<LI>Know true story of Cruel Akbar and Jodhaabai
=
<LI>Know the people behind this conspiracy (The movie crew)
<LI>View g=
limpses of protests</LI></UL>Send this mail to your friends for
cre=
ating awareness and protecting self-respect.<BR><BR><B><SPAN
style=3D"CO=
LOR: rgb(255,0,0)">Shameful Hindus who throng to watch Jodhaa-Akbar,
a f=
ilm which glorifies Hindu hater Cruel Akbar, are worthy of getting killed
=
by Terrorists! </SPAN></B><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Dear Dinesh,
I arrived at the number based on shastras which say that Kali yuga is of
432,000 years and Dwapara, Treta and Krita yuga are 2, 3 and 4 times Kali
yuga in length.
People normally believe that there was no civilization 2 million years back.
Just because we do not have proof of a 2 million year old civilization does
not "prove" that there was no civilization then. Even today, a very very
very small portion of earth is inhabited. It is very likely that an even
smaller portion of earth was inhabited then. The odds of conducting
excavations at the correct place to the correct depth to discover a 2
million year old civilization are very low.
The suggestion that Rama lived just 2,500 years before Krishna is, honestly
speaking, quite silly.
Best regards,
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> wrote:
>>
>> Namaste,
>>
>> > -When did Lord Ramchandra appear. Some say He appeared few thousand
>> > years before Lord Krishna, Is that true?
>>
>> Atleast 1.8 million years back.
>
>
> Dear Narasimha-ji,
>
> You are not the type to make speculative statements, so please indulge
> our curiosity, how did you land on this "1.8 million years" number?
> Presumably there is good reason for you to make this statement, and I
> ask because others have gone through a similar dating exercise and for
> most of them I've seen that they conclude that Rama existed around a
> few thousand years at most prior to Krishna (or the Mahabharata war).
> For example, this gentleman Dr. Vartak here (
> http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/ramayan/rama_vartak.html
> ) concludes Rama was born around 7600 BC..
>
> Would appreciate your insight into this, Thanks!!
> Regards,
> ./Dinesh
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Dear Narsimha ji, I entirely share your sentiments. Jodha Akbar is a

tremen=
dous film showing the glorious reign of Akbar, who indeed was
truly a great=
ruler. I feel ashamed of Hindus who try and bring a Muslim
bias into such =
cinematic achievements. I will implore such people to
appreciate the truth =
behind Akbar and his admiraton of Hindu religion
which has been beautifully=
depicted in the movie. For those who havent
seen it yet, it is not be miss=
ed. Best wishes Sharat
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.=
R. Rao" <pvr@...>
wrote:
>
> Namaskaram anna,
>
> I saw this movie and I ca=
nnot help responding.
>
> It is true that Hindus and sanatana dharma suffer=
ed badly at the hands
of Muslim invaders (and other invaders), but it is wr=
ong to take out
that anger on Akbar. Some people cannot see beyond a man's =
name and
religion and hence cannot recognize when a great celestial being i=
s born
in a different religion.
>
> Swami Vimalananda, the Aghori yogi ment=
ioned in the "Aghora" series
books, is somebody who achieved the highest st=
ates of consciousness. He
received a lot of knowledge directly from Mother =
Tara. Accordinging to
him, Akbar and Jodha were the re-incarnation of Samyu=
kta and Rajput King
Prithviraj Chouhan. As Prithviraj, he repelled so many =
Muslim invaders
at the border of India. When Muslims finally conquered Indi=
a, he was
reborn as one of them and put breaks on their aggression and chan=
ged
their ways.
>
> In that age, Muslim invaders engaged in barbarism, dest=
royed temples,
libraries and other relics of native religion and culture. T=
hey beheaded
Hindus who refused to convert, they raped Hindu women and they=
beheaded
defeated kings. They just tried to wipe out the native religion a=
nd
culture and replace with theirs. Akbar slowed down the barbarism and
agg=
ression and promoted tolerance and integration. He stopped the forced
conve=
rsions, rapes and beheadings of Hindus. He stopped the destruction
of templ=
es and libraries. He talked about respecting other religions
while followin=
g one's own religion. He even took on the mighty Muslim
clerics when he abo=
lished a special tax on Hindus based on religion. He
was a man of great cha=
racter, conviction and principles and was utterly
fearless. He had affinity=
for Rajputs and was even born in a Rajput
family and spent early years the=
re. He displayed the samskaras and
instincts of a refined and cultured Rajp=
ut more than those a of Mughal
king - he was so unlike his grandfather Baba=
r, father Humayun and
step-brother Adham.
>
> He used to offer arghyas to S=
un in the morning and then participate in
a Zoroastrian fire ritual of Fars=
is (similar to our homam) and then do a
namaz with Muslim clerics. Such tol=
erance was unheard of from any other
Muslim ruler in those days (or perhaps=
even today!). Towards the end of
his life, he even started his own religio=
n, which was based on his
realization and is quite noble. He was a spiritua=
lly elevated soul.
Irrespective of the religion one follows, one deserves o=
ur respect and
admiration if one embodies the spirit of sanatana dharma in =
one's
thoughts and actions.
>
> Akbar was a true hero - a being who came do=
wn from a higher loka to
fulfil a certain mission with the blessings of ris=
his. His contribution
to the safekeeping of sanatana dharma is not to be ju=
dged from what harm
his fellow Muslims inflicted on sanatana dharma. His co=
ntribution is to
be judged from what *more* harm to sanatana dharma he help=
ed *avoid*. If
he had not come, I have no doubt that sanatana dharma would =
have
suffered much much more than it did. That was not the wish of rishis a=
nd
that is why they sent somebody to alter the course and minimize the
harm=
. It is unfortunate that those who see the goodness of emperor
Ashoka and k=
ing Shivaji cannot see the goodness of Akbar simply because
he was a Muslim=
.
>
> It is unfortunate that some Hindus are equating Akbar with the other
=
cruel and barbaric Muslim kings. Who should be (was) a friend of Hindus
is =
being portrayed as an enemy and being shot down. Instead, we should
promote=
his story and inspire more people to be like him. He was a great
inspirati=
onal figure then and should be now too.
>
> The epic movie "Jodha Albar" is=
a very good movie about one of the
greatest and most dharmik emperors of I=
ndia. The director and actor did
justice to a man of great character that A=
kbar was. I am sad about the
mud-slinging that some of my fellow Hindus are=
engaging in. Please do
not assassinate the character of Akbar.
>
> If you =
want, please make movies of the same caliber and cinematic
excellence on gr=
eat Hindu heroes such as Chatrapati Shivaji, Prithviraj
Chouhan, Sri Krishn=
adeva Raya, Vikramarka, Salivahana, Ashoka,
Jnaaneshwar, Chaitanya Mahaprab=
hu, Shankaracharya, Ramakrishna
Paramahamsa, Vivekananda, Ramana Maharshi e=
tc. But there is no need to
denigrate a fine movie made on Akbar.
>
> These=
are my 2 cents on the fire over Jodha Akbar.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha=
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Do =
Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
> Spirituali=
ty: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3)=
: http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
> Free Jyotish software (Windows): htt=
p://www.VedicAstrologer.org
> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://ww=
w.SriJagannath.org
> ------------------------------------------------------=
------------
>
>
> Namaskar
>
> This is an a=
wareness drive to awake people to boycott movie 'Jodhaa
Akbar'.
>
> The mov=
ie Jodhaa Akbar is a vile, vicious, and covert attempt by a
mischievous pro=
ducer/director from Bollywood (Mumbai) to make quick
bucks by denigrating a=
nd vilifying the Hindu (Rajput) people. Sonia's
(Antonia Maino) Congress go=
vernment promtly banned 'Da Vinci Code' movie
after Christians' protest, bu=
t this Secular (?) government is so
insensitive about Hindus protest about =
'Jodhaa-Akbar' !
>
> Visit - http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/3815.html to =
-
>
> a.. Know true story of Cruel Akbar and Jodhaabai
> b.. Know the peopl=
e behind this conspiracy (The movie crew)
> c.. View glimpses of protests
>=
Send this mail to your friends for creating awareness and protecting
self-=
respect.
>
> Shameful Hindus who throng to watch Jodhaa-Akbar, a film which=
glorifies Hindu hater Cruel Akbar, are worthy of getting killed by

Terrori=
sts!
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#007f40" siz=
e=3D"2"><STRONG>I entirely share your sentiments. Jodha Akbar is a tremendo=
us film showing the glorious reign of Akbar, who indeed was truly a great r=
uler.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
e=3D"2"><STRONG>I feel ashamed of Hindus who try and bring a Muslim bias in=
to such cinematic achievements. I will implore such people to appreciate th=
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utifully depicted in the movie.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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ial" color=3D"#007f40" size=3D"2"><STRONG>For those who havent seen it yet,=
it is not be missed.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#000080" size=3D"2"></FONT> =
;</DIV><BR>--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <=
pvr@...> wrote:<BR>><BR>> Namaskaram anna,<BR>> <BR>> I saw =
this movie and I cannot help responding.<BR>> <BR>> It is true that H=
indus and sanatana dharma suffered badly at the hands of Muslim invaders (a=
nd other invaders), but it is wrong to take out that anger on Akbar. Some p=
eople cannot see beyond a man's name and religion and hence cannot recogniz=
e when a great celestial being is born in a different religion.<BR>> <BR=
>> Swami Vimalananda, the Aghori yogi mentioned in the "Aghora" series b=
ooks, is somebody who achieved the highest states of consciousness. He rece=
ived a lot of knowledge directly from Mother Tara. Accordinging to him, Akb=
ar and Jodha were the re-incarnation of Samyukta and Rajput King Prithviraj=
Chouhan. As Prithviraj, he repelled so many Muslim invaders at the border =
of India. When Muslims finally conquered India, he was reborn as one of the=
m and put breaks on their aggression and changed their ways.<BR>> <BR>&g=
t; In that age, Muslim invaders engaged in barbarism, destroyed temples, li=
braries and other relics of native religion and culture. They beheaded Hind=
us who refused to convert, they raped Hindu women and they beheaded defeate=
d kings. They just tried to wipe out the native religion and culture and re=
place with theirs. Akbar slowed down the barbarism and aggression and promo=
ted tolerance and integration. He stopped the forced conversions, rapes and=
beheadings of Hindus. He stopped the destruction of temples and libraries.=
He talked about respecting other religions while following one's own relig=
ion. He even took on the mighty Muslim clerics when he abolished a special =
tax on Hindus based on religion. He was a man of great character, convictio=
n and principles and was utterly fearless. He had affinity for Rajputs and =
was even born in a Rajput family and spent early years there. He displayed =
the samskaras and instincts of a refined and cultured Rajput more than thos=
e a of Mughal king - he was so unlike his grandfather Babar, father Humayun=
and step-brother Adham.<BR>> <BR>> He used to offer arghyas to Sun i=
n the morning and then participate in a Zoroastrian fire ritual of Farsis (=
similar to our homam) and then do a namaz with Muslim clerics. Such toleran=
ce was unheard of from any other Muslim ruler in those days (or perhaps eve=
n today!). Towards the end of his life, he even started his own religion, w=
hich was based on his realization and is quite noble. He was a spiritually =
elevated soul. Irrespective of the religion one follows, one deserves our r=
espect and admiration if one embodies the spirit of sanatana dharma in one'=
s thoughts and actions.<BR>> <BR>> Akbar was a true hero - a being wh=
o came down from a higher loka to fulfil a certain mission with the blessin=
gs of rishis. His contribution to the safekeeping of sanatana dharma is not=
to be judged from what harm his fellow Muslims inflicted on sanatana dharm=
a. His contribution is to be judged from what *more* harm to sanatana dharm=
a he helped *avoid*. If he had not come, I have no doubt that sanatana dhar=
ma would have suffered much much more than it did. That was not the wish of=
rishis and that is why they sent somebody to alter the course and minimize=
the harm. It is unfortunate that those who see the goodness of emperor Ash=
oka and king Shivaji cannot see the goodness of Akbar simply because he was=
a Muslim.<BR>> <BR>> It is unfortunate that some Hindus are equating=
Akbar with the other cruel and barbaric Muslim kings. Who should be (was) =
a friend of Hindus is being portrayed as an enemy and being shot down. Inst=
ead, we should promote his story and inspire more people to be like him. He=
was a great inspirational figure then and should be now too.<BR>> <BR>&=
gt; The epic movie "Jodha Albar" is a very good movie about one of the grea=
test and most dharmik emperors of India. The director and actor did justice=
to a man of great character that Akbar was. I am sad about the mud-slingin=
g that some of my fellow Hindus are engaging in. Please do not assassinate =
the character of Akbar.<BR>> <BR>> If you want, please make movies of=
the same caliber and cinematic excellence on great Hindu heroes such as Ch=
atrapati Shivaji, Prithviraj Chouhan, Sri Krishnadeva Raya, Vikramarka, Sal=
ivahana, Ashoka, Jnaaneshwar, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Shankaracharya, Ramakri=
shna Paramahamsa, Vivekananda, Ramana Maharshi etc. But there is no need to=
denigrate a fine movie made on Akbar.<BR>> <BR>> These are my 2 cent=
s on the fire over Jodha Akbar.<BR>> <BR>> Best regards,<BR>> Nara=
simha<BR>> -------------------------------------------------------------=
-----<BR>> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/h=
omam<BR>> Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom<BR>&g=
t; Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net<BR>> F=
ree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org<BR>> Sri =
Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org<BR>> -------=
-----------------------------------------------------------<BR>> <BR>>=
; ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> <BR>> Namaskar<BR>> <BR>> =
This is an awareness drive to awake people to boycott movie 'Jodhaa Akbar'.=
<BR>> <BR>> The movie Jodhaa Akbar is a vile, vicious, and covert att=
empt by a mischievous producer/director from Bollywood (Mumbai) to make qui=
ck bucks by denigrating and vilifying the Hindu (Rajput) people. Sonia's (A=
ntonia Maino) Congress government promtly banned 'Da Vinci Code' movie afte=
r Christians' protest, but this Secular (?) government is so insensitive ab=
out Hindus protest about 'Jodhaa-Akbar' ! <BR>> <BR>> Visit - http://=
www.hindujagruti.org/news/3815.html to -<BR>> <BR>> a.. Know true sto=
ry of Cruel Akbar and Jodhaabai <BR>> b.. Know the people behind this co=
nspiracy (The movie crew) <BR>> c.. View glimpses of protests<BR>> Se=
nd this mail to your friends for creating awareness and protecting self-res=
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Namaste,
If you learnt how to perform Sri Chakra pooja, there is no problem in doing
it yourself. Do it with a spirit of humility and devotion and think: "I
don't know the correct way to do it and am doing it to the best of my
ability. Please forgive me for my mistakes and give me a hand to lift me
up".
A lot of people are very afraid of a lot of saattwik rituals also these days
and prefer to call a priest for everything. It is perfectly fine to do a lot
of saattwik rituals by oneself. The above attitude helps too.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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> Dear Narasimha P.V.R. Rao ji,
> Namaskar.
> Kindly permit me to know that it is permissible for ladies to do Sri
> Chakra pooja. One elder member of my family told that it is not
> permissible and supported by a priest, hence this request for further
> clarification please.
> With respects.
> Yours Sincerely,
> S.Dheenadayalan
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OM NAMAHSHIVAAYA
Dear Sri Narasimha P.V.R. Rao Ji,,
Namaskar.
Thank you ver=
y much for the reply in the midst our tight schedule.
We are graced with y=
our Ganapathy homam procedure and at the same
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d my earnest request for the SriChakra
pooja procedure as you do it please=
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Yours Sincerely,
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> Namaste,
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> don't know the correct way to do it and am doing it to the best of
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> up".
>
> A lot of people are very afraid of a lot of saattwik ritual=
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. Rao ji,
> > Namaskar.
> > Kindly permit me to know that it is permissible=
for ladies to do
Sri
> > Chakra pooja. One elder member of my family told=
that it is not
> > permissible and supported by a priest, hence this reque=
st for
further
> > clarification please.
> > With respects.
> > Yours Sinc=
erely,
> > S.Dheenadayalan
> >
> >
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> >
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Namaste,
Sri Chakra pooja is not something I perform.
However, there are many nice books. One of the best I have seen is by Sri
Chaitanyananda and called "Sri Vidya Pooja Vidhi". It is in Tamil, English
and Hindi. It is a very elaborate book on the worship of Sri Chakra. It is
written by the gentleman who runs Rajarajeswari peetham at Rush (near
Rochester), New York. It is a fantastic temple (www.srividya.org). His
god-brother Sri Karunamaya Baba used to live in the Boston area (where I
live) and teach Sri chakra pooja to people in this area (www.srimeru.org).
Now he is the pontiff of a religious order in Devipuram (near Visakhapatnam,
AP, India). Both of them belong to this religious order (www.devipuram.com).
Sri Karunamaya Baba conducts seminars in India and US and teaches Sri Chakra
pooja. This book gives the method used by their religious order and lineage.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:38 PM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Sri Chakra pooja-Ji's version
> OM NAMAHSHIVAAYA
> Dear Sri Narasimha P.V.R. Rao Ji,,
> Namaskar.
> Thank you very much for the reply in the midst our tight schedule.
> We are graced with your Ganapathy homam procedure and at the same
> time permit me to put forward my earnest request for the SriChakra
> pooja procedure as you do it please.
> With respect.
> Yours Sincerely,
> S.Dheenadayalan
>
>
>
>
> --- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
> <pvr@...> wrote:
>>
>> Namaste,
>>
>> If you learnt how to perform Sri Chakra pooja, there is no problem
> in doing
>> it yourself. Do it with a spirit of humility and devotion and
> think: "I
>> don't know the correct way to do it and am doing it to the best of
> my
>> ability. Please forgive me for my mistakes and give me a hand to
> lift me
>> up".
>>
>> A lot of people are very afraid of a lot of saattwik rituals also
> these days
>> and prefer to call a priest for everything. It is perfectly fine
> to do a lot
>> of saattwik rituals by oneself. The above attitude helps too.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Narasimha
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: "dheena0104" <dheena0104@...>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:01 PM
>> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Sri Chakra pooja-Permissibility
>>
>>
>> > Dear Narasimha P.V.R. Rao ji,
>> > Namaskar.
>> > Kindly permit me to know that it is permissible for ladies to do
> Sri
>> > Chakra pooja. One elder member of my family told that it is not
>> > permissible and supported by a priest, hence this request for
> further
>> > clarification please.
>> > With respects.
>> > Yours Sincerely,
>> > S.Dheenadayalan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > || Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih ||
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
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Namaskar.
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.R. Rao"
<pvr@...> wrote:
>
> Namaste,
>
> Sri Chakra pooja is not someth=
ing I perform.
>
> However, there are many nice books. One of the best I h=
ave seen is
by Sri
> Chaitanyananda and called "Sri Vidya Pooja Vidhi". I=
t is in Tamil,
English
> and Hindi. It is a very elaborate book on the wo=
rship of Sri
Chakra. It is
> written by the gentleman who runs Rajarajesw=
ari peetham at Rush
(near
> Rochester), New York. It is a fantastic templ=
e (www.srividya.org).
His
> god-brother Sri Karunamaya Baba used to live =
in the Boston area
(where I
> live) and teach Sri chakra pooja to people =
in this area
(www.srimeru.org).
> Now he is the pontiff of a religious or=
der in Devipuram (near
Visakhapatnam,
> AP, India). Both of them belong t=
o this religious order
(www.devipuram.com).
> Sri Karunamaya Baba conduct=
s seminars in India and US and teaches
Sri Chakra
> pooja. This book give=
s the method used by their religious order
and lineage.
>
> Best regards,=
> Narasimha
> ------------------------------------------------------------=
------
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> From: "dheena=
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> Sent: Wednesd=
ay, February 27, 2008 10:38 PM
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Sri Chakra pooja-J=
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>
>
> > OM NAMAHSHIVAAYA
> > Dear Sri Narasimha P.V.R. Rao Ji=
,,
> > Namaskar.
> > Thank you very much for the reply in the midst our tig=
ht
schedule.
> > We are graced with your Ganapathy homam procedure and at =
the same
> > time permit me to put forward my earnest request for the
SriC=
hakra
> > pooja procedure as you do it please.
> > With respect.
> > Yours =
Sincerely,
> > S.Dheenadayalan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In vedic-wisdom@yaho=
ogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
> > <pvr@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Namaste,
> =
>>
> >> If you learnt how to perform Sri Chakra pooja, there is no
problem=
> > in doing

> >> it yourself. Do it with a spirit of humility and devotio=
n and
> > think: "I
> >> don't know the correct way to do it and am doing i=
t to the best
of
> > my
> >> ability. Please forgive me for my mistakes an=
d give me a hand to
> > lift me
> >> up".
> >>
> >> A lot of people are ver=
y afraid of a lot of saattwik rituals
also
> > these days
> >> and prefer =
to call a priest for everything. It is perfectly fine
> > to do a lot
> >> =
of saattwik rituals by oneself. The above attitude helps too.
> >>
> >> Bes=
t regards,
> >> Narasimha
> >> --------------------------------------------=
--------------------
--
> >> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:
http://www.Vedic=
Astrologer.org/homam
> >> Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic=
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> >> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Sri Chakra pooja-Permissibility
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> >>
> =
>> > Dear Narasimha P.V.R. Rao ji,
> >> > Namaskar.
> >> > Kindly permit me=
to know that it is permissible for ladies to
do
> > Sri
> >> > Chakra poo=
ja. One elder member of my family told that it is
not
> >> > permissible a=
nd supported by a priest, hence this request for
> > further
> >> > clarifi=
cation please.
> >> > With respects.
> >> > Yours Sincerely,
> >> > S.Dheen=
adayalan
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > || Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaanti=
h ||
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Shivapuri Baba
---------------
I. A Short Life Sketch
1. Bi=
rth:
Sivapuri Baba was born on Moolam Nakshathram (star) in the month of

=
Bhadra 1883, corresponding to AD 1826, as the son of Narayanan
Nambudiripa=
d of Oruvannur Mana, near Guruvayur, Kerala.
2. Childhood: He was named as=
Jayanthan. Since parents died early,
his grandfather brought him up.
3.=
Brahmacharyam: As per custom, he entered the Brahmacharyam stage
(Upanaya=
nam) at the early age of 6 or 7, and started studying Vedams
and Sanskrit.=
By the time he completed Brahmacharyam in 1840,
sufficient knowledge had =
been acquired in Sanskrit, Vedams
Braahmanams, Ayurvedam and Astrology.
=
4. Married Life: Immediately after completing his Brahmacharyam, he
got ma=
rried and was blessed with two sons and two daughters.
5. Rejection of Fa=
mily : While in his twenties, Jayanthan
Nambudiripad left his family so as=
to be free from the worldly ties.
In search of the eternal truth, he reac=
hed Sringeri Mutth of Aadi
Sankaracharya.
6. Spiritual Institution: He m=
et Achuthan, a great scholar in
Mathematics and Astrology and a teacher at=
the Mutth. Achuthan
foresaw a great Samnyaasi in Jayanthan and accepted h=
im as his
student. The future Sivapuri Baba also accepted Achuthan as his =
Daadaaji (grandfather) and learnt from him, as much as a spiritual

instit=
ution could provide.
7. The Last Wish of Daadaaji: Later, both he and Daa=

daaji left
Sringeri Mutth and reached the shores of Narmada River for
doi=
ng "Thapasya". One day Achuthan told him that he should undertake
a pilgri=
mage around the world.
8. The End of Daadaaji: That was his last wish. A =

few days later,
Daadaaji breathed his last, leaving Jayanthan all alone. =
9. The Great "Thapasya": Thereafter he walked through the shore of

the =
River Narmada and reached the thick forest where human contact
was impossi=
ble. There, at a place of complete solitude, he began his
great "Thapasya"=
in search of the absolute truth. For nearly 20
years, he observed deep me=
ditation. He had lost count of time,
seasons and years.
10. Realisation =
of the Absolute: During the last stages of this deep
meditation with point=
ed objective of realisation of God, and with
progressive elimination of al=
l that can support and comfort the
senses and the mind, he was blessed wit=
h the beatific vision or the
final enlightenment, the "Ithambara prajna". =
11. What Next ?: How can a man who had spent so many years in almost
com=
plete solitude, re-emerge into the world of reality? But in his
case, the =
re-emergence was with more vigour, highest wisdom and great
determination =
to execute the programmed decisions. Only an
enlightened soul could do it=
. He decided to undertake a long
pilgrimage around the length and breadth =
of the world by foot, as per
the last wish of his Daadaaji.
12. Bharat D=
arshan: Thus decided, from his forest retreat, he went to
Gujarat in the w=
est, Calcutta in the east, Kanyakumari in the south
and the Himalayas in t=
he north.
13. Non-attachment: After the "realisation", he was a fully lib=

erated
Samnyaasi who was above all the worldly ties. He influenced Aurobin=
da
Ghosh at Baroda, taught Nirukalpa Samaadhi (practical) to Ramakrishna
=
Paramahamsa at Calcutta, and taught Astrology to B G Tilak at Pune.
But he=
never accepted the position of a Guru (teacher) which
connoted "attachmen=
ts".
14. Samnyaasam: During the Indian pilgrimage, he accepted Samnyaasam=
from Sringeri Mutth and became "Govindaananda Bharathi".
15. In Afghani=
stan: After India, the world pilgrimage on foot began,
starting with Afgha=
nistan through the Khyber Pass. There he met
Agakhan (Hassan Ali Shah), an=
d lived with him for a few days.
16. The First Hindu to Visit Mecca: From=

Afghanistan, he went to
Mecca through Persia, where he established contac=
t with Shah
Nassiruddin. During those times, entry to the holy city of Mec=
ca was
granted only to pure Muslims who surrendered wholly to God. But he =
had obtained a special permission due to his total submission to God,

and=
his arguments - "God is the same for all. Mohammed was a prophet
of God, =
and not God. Who is a pure Muslim? - He who is completely
surrendered to G=
od. I am fully surrendered to God." He spent a few
months at Mecca in deep=
meditation.
17. From Mecca to Jerusalem and Rome: From Mecca he went to =

Rome via
the holy land of Jerusalem, Istanbul and Athens. It is a wonder a=
s to
how he travelled on foot through the Arabian desert, which is
daunti=
ng even for camels, and how he travelled across mountains,
valleys and ran=
ges over and over again through the Anatolian Steppe.
In those days, the =

holy city of Vatican was prohibited for non-
Christians. But, Govindaananda=
Bharathi managed to stay for a few
days at Vatican.
18. That Long Pilgr=

image: That enlightened soul continued his
pilgrimage on foot, covering co=
untries of Europe, England, Greenland,
Canada, United States, countries of=
South America, Pacific Islands,
New Zealand, Australia, Japan, China, etc=
., and finally reached back
in India via Tibet and Nepal. Again he took a =
final pilgrimage of
India. During this time, he visited Kerala and his own=
ancestral
house where he found that nobody of his generation was living. =
19. From the Poorest to the Emperor: In this great pilgrimage of

super-h=
uman character, he visited more than 50 countries and the
heads of nations=
. He visited queen Victoria as an adviser and the
queen found him as a man=
beyond the curtain of death. In Germany, he
stayed in the Garden of Wilhe=
lm Kaiser II. While in Germany, once he
told Einstein : "Absolutely speaki=
ng, only God exists. So, the
question of adding one thing to another canno=
t be entertained.
Relatively speaking, no two things or beings are exactly=
alike. Thus,
to say that, 1 + 1 equals 2, is convincing and convenient, b=
ut not
precise."
When he was introduced to the materialist George Bernar=

d Shaw, Shaw
said: "I hate Indian Samnyaasis who have no value for time." =
He
immediately responded: "You are the slaves of time. We are much
beyond=
the constraint of time".
But his stay was not confined only to big citie=

s like London, Berlin
or New York, or great houses. He used to wander on f=
oot from village
to village meeting all types of people.
20. Sivapuri Ba=

ba: When he returned after the long and great
pilgrimage, he was about 99 =
years old. He, then decided to spend the
rest of his life in the forest of=
Sivapuri, near Kathmandu, Nepal.
Thereafter, Govindaananda Bharathi becam=
e Sivapuri Baba. Even after
the age of 100, he often used to undertake pil=
grimage to Kasi and
other places, on foot.
21. At Dhruvasthali: At the a=

ge of 120, he shifted to Dhruvasthali -
another forest retreat - nearly 1.=
5 km from Pasupathinath Temple,
Kathmandu, due to cancer which he himself =
later cured with Yoga,
after medical advice failed.
22. Mahaasamaadhi: O=
n the morning of 28-01-1963 (Monday) at 6.15, he
told his devotees : "Now =
I am going". he also gave his last
advice : "Live right life; worship God;=
that is all, that is enough".
Then he drank some water and rested on both=
his hands and breathed
his last in the sitting position at 6.30.
II. Si=
ddhis (Super-human Powers)
1. Astral Vision: Being a man who had realised =
the "Absolute Truth",
Sivapuri Baba had astral vision and omnipotent power=
. But he was
extremely calm and serene, and never felt tense or anxious. V=
ery
rarely did he use his powers, believing that it may create reactions
=
and disturb the serenity. Yet it will be appropriate to mention a few
of h=
is super-human character.
2. Friendship with Wild Animals: In Sivapuri fo=

rest, wild animals
like tiger used to terrify the visitors. But, Baba will=
say : "They
will not harm you, if friendship is extended". Sometimes the =
tigers
would take a few rounds of Babaji and return. Baba would often offe=
r
them sugar cane chips, which they would eat before retreating to the
fo=
rest.
3. Meditation: Timilsina had served Babaji for nearly 37 years. One=
day Babaji asked him to bring provision from the market downhill, and
th=
en went into deep meditation. From the 10,000 ft. high Sivapuri, it
would =
take 5 or 6 hours to reach the town. By the time Timilsina
reached the tow=
n, he had high fever, and therefore, could not return
for the next 9 or 10=
days. Worrying what Baba would say for such a
long delay, when he reached=
the Aasram, Baba was still in meditation.
It was nearly a day later that =
Babaji opened his eyes, saw him, and
asked : "Have you not gone yet?" He w=
as not aware of the passage of
time.
Even in the normal course, Babaji u=

sed to take meals only once or
twice a month.
4. The Experience of the M=

aharaja of Travancore: When Babaji was in
Kerala, he visited the Maharaja =
of Travancore. When they were
talking, Babaji suddenly felt a shock. The M=
aharaja asked for the
reason, and was told that at that moment, somebody e=
xpired in Nepal,
3,000 km away. The Maharaja was astonished when he confir=
med it over
the phone. Then the Maharaja asked him to predict when he (the=
Maharaja) will die. Babaji said such predictions are not appropriate,
bu=
t when insisted, said : "A great son of Kerala will die in an
accident and=
yours will be soon after." This prediction was true, the
person referred =
to was Kumaran Asan.
III. Babaji's Teachings in Brief

1. Do the necessary=
duties for maintaining life, and think mostly of
God.
2. Every thing can=
go against us till we know God.
3. God can be experienced, but never expl=
ained.
4. If God is seen and known, there are no more troubles; fears; pai=
ns
and doubts are gone for ever.
5. Intensify your longing for God. Let t=
he thought of God alone be in
your mind; destroy all other thoughts. You w=
ill see God, and all
your problems are solved.
Wikipedia also has so=

me info, please visit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shivapuri_Baba
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Namaste,
The coins that are put in the fire along with the poornaahuti in a homam
come in touch with the fire containing divine presence. They become
"purified" due to the contact and some of their impurities are removed.
These coins can be put in the pooja room along with the idols of gods and
you can recite your mantras before them.
In fact, if you want to invoke god in a solid form (like an idol) and offer
mantras, these coins are a good candidate. Thus, you can use these coins in
many poojas and vratams. The idols in your pooja room may have many
impurities due to the thoughts, speech and actions of the persons involved
with its making and distribution. A coin purified in a homam may is a good
conductor of divine energy. Even though a coin from homam may look deformed
and burnt, it is actually as appropriate for invoking gods as a beautiful
idol.
If somebody performs homam on a regular basis, it is not necessary to put

coins in poornaahuti everyday. One then ends up with too many coins. When
one offers oneself in the poornaahuti, whatever happens to the coin happens
to one's own consciousness slowly. When one can purify one's own
consciousness, there is no need to surround oneself with external objects of
some purity. The final goal in surrounding oneself with external objects of
some purity is to eventually purify oneself. Fire in homam being the purest
thing we have access to in the physical plane, spending time with it
frequently is the fastest way. In the absence of such a practice, the
objects purified in a homam can be used.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 4:12 AM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Thanks a lot ji-Homa coins
> OM NAMAHSHIVAAYA
> Dear Sri Narasimha P.V.R. Rao Ji,
> Namaskar.
> We expected a small bite but you gave us a full meal. Thank you very
> much ji.
> One more request is there for your kind help ji. After performing
> the Homa, some times I may be blessed to receive the coins which
> were put in the fire along with aguthi; but still now I do not know
> how to preserve it. When I asked, peoples told me to keep them in my
> pooja room. At this juncture I request your kind help to shed more
> light on this so that we will be able to understand the things that
> what we are doing.
> With respects.
> Yours Sincerely,
> S.Dheenadayalan
>
> <pvr@...> wrote:
>>
>> Namaste,
>>
>> Sri Chakra pooja is not something I perform.
>>
>> However, there are many nice books. One of the best I have seen is
> by Sri
>> Chaitanyananda and called "Sri Vidya Pooja Vidhi". It is in Tamil,
> English
>> and Hindi. It is a very elaborate book on the worship of Sri
> Chakra. It is
>> written by the gentleman who runs Rajarajeswari peetham at Rush
> (near
>> Rochester), New York. It is a fantastic temple (www.srividya.org).
> His
>> god-brother Sri Karunamaya Baba used to live in the Boston area
> (where I
>> live) and teach Sri chakra pooja to people in this area
> (www.srimeru.org).
>> Now he is the pontiff of a religious order in Devipuram (near
> Visakhapatnam,
>> AP, India). Both of them belong to this religious order
> (www.devipuram.com).
>> Sri Karunamaya Baba conducts seminars in India and US and teaches
> Sri Chakra
>> pooja. This book gives the method used by their religious order
> and lineage.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Narasimha
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: "dheena0104" <dheena0104@...>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:38 PM
>> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Sri Chakra pooja-Ji's version
>>
>>
>> > OM NAMAHSHIVAAYA
>> > Dear Sri Narasimha P.V.R. Rao Ji,,
>> > Namaskar.
>> > Thank you very much for the reply in the midst our tight
> schedule.
>> > We are graced with your Ganapathy homam procedure and at the same
>> > time permit me to put forward my earnest request for the
> SriChakra
>> > pooja procedure as you do it please.
>> > With respect.
>> > Yours Sincerely,
>> > S.Dheenadayalan
>> >
>> > --- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
>> > <pvr@> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Namaste,
>> >>
>> >> If you learnt how to perform Sri Chakra pooja, there is no
> problem
>> > in doing
>> >> it yourself. Do it with a spirit of humility and devotion and
>> > think: "I
>> >> don't know the correct way to do it and am doing it to the best
> of
>> > my
>> >> ability. Please forgive me for my mistakes and give me a hand to
>> > lift me
>> >> up".
>> >>
>> >> A lot of people are very afraid of a lot of saattwik rituals
> also
>> > these days
>> >> and prefer to call a priest for everything. It is perfectly fine
>> > to do a lot
>> >> of saattwik rituals by oneself. The above attitude helps too.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Narasimha
>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>> >> Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
>> >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
>> >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
>> >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>> >>
>> >> From: "dheena0104" <dheena0104@>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:01 PM
>> >> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Sri Chakra pooja-Permissibility
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Dear Narasimha P.V.R. Rao ji,
>> >> > Namaskar.
>> >> > Kindly permit me to know that it is permissible for ladies to
> do
>> > Sri
>> >> > Chakra pooja. One elder member of my family told that it is
> not
>> >> > permissible and supported by a priest, hence this request for
>> > further
>> >> > clarification please.
>> >> > With respects.
>> >> > Yours Sincerely,
>> >> > S.Dheenadayalan
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wrote:
>
>=
Namaskaram anna,
>
> I saw this movie and I cannot help responding.
>
=
> It is true that Hindus and sanatana dharma suffered badly at the
hands o=
f Muslim invaders (and other invaders), but it is wrong to
take out that a=
nger on Akbar. Some people cannot see beyond a man's
name and religion and=
hence cannot recognize when a great celestial
being is born in a differen=
t religion.
>
> Swami Vimalananda, the Aghori yogi mentioned in the "Agho=
ra" series
books, is somebody who achieved the highest states of conscious=
ness.
He received a lot of knowledge directly from Mother Tara.
According=
ing to him, Akbar and Jodha were the re-incarnation of
Samyukta and Rajput=
King Prithviraj Chouhan. As Prithviraj, he
repelled so many Muslim invade=
rs at the border of India. When Muslims
finally conquered India, he was re=
born as one of them and put breaks
on their aggression and changed their w=
ays.
>
> In that age, Muslim invaders engaged in barbarism, destroyed
te=
mples, libraries and other relics of native religion and culture.
They beh=
eaded Hindus who refused to convert, they raped Hindu women
and they behea=
ded defeated kings. They just tried to wipe out the
native religion and cu=
lture and replace with theirs. Akbar slowed
down the barbarism and aggress=
ion and promoted tolerance and
integration. He stopped the forced conversi=
ons, rapes and beheadings
of Hindus. He stopped the destruction of temples=
and libraries. He
talked about respecting other religions while following=
one's own
religion. He even took on the mighty Muslim clerics when he abo=
lished
a special tax on Hindus based on religion. He was a man of great
c=
haracter, conviction and principles and was utterly fearless. He had
affin=
ity for Rajputs and was even born in a Rajput family and spent
early years=
there. He displayed the samskaras and instincts of a
refined and cultured=
Rajput more than those a of Mughal king - he was
so unlike his grandfathe=
r Babar, father Humayun and step-brother
Adham.
>
> He used to offer arg=
hyas to Sun in the morning and then participate
in a Zoroastrian fire ritu=
al of Farsis (similar to our homam) and
then do a namaz with Muslim cleric=
s. Such tolerance was unheard of
from any other Muslim ruler in those days=
(or perhaps even today!).
Towards the end of his life, he even started hi=
s own religion, which
was based on his realization and is quite noble. He =
was a spiritually
elevated soul. Irrespective of the religion one follows,=
one deserves
our respect and admiration if one embodies the spirit of san=
atana
dharma in one's thoughts and actions.
>
> Akbar was a true hero - =
a being who came down from a higher loka to
fulfil a certain mission with =
the blessings of rishis. His
contribution to the safekeeping of sanatana d=
harma is not to be
judged from what harm his fellow Muslims inflicted on s=
anatana
dharma. His contribution is to be judged from what *more* harm to =
sanatana dharma he helped *avoid*. If he had not come, I have no

doubt th=
at sanatana dharma would have suffered much much more than it
did. That wa=
s not the wish of rishis and that is why they sent
somebody to alter the c=
ourse and minimize the harm. It is unfortunate
that those who see the good=
ness of emperor Ashoka and king Shivaji
cannot see the goodness of Akbar s=
imply because he was a Muslim.
>
> It is unfortunate that some Hindus are=
equating Akbar with the
other cruel and barbaric Muslim kings. Who should=
be (was) a friend
of Hindus is being portrayed as an enemy and being shot=
down.
Instead, we should promote his story and inspire more people to be =
like him. He was a great inspirational figure then and should be now
too.=
>
> The epic movie "Jodha Albar" is a very good movie about one of the
=
greatest and most dharmik emperors of India. The director and actor
did ju=
stice to a man of great character that Akbar was. I am sad
about the mud-s=
linging that some of my fellow Hindus are engaging in.
Please do not assas=
sinate the character of Akbar.
>
> If you want, please make movies of the=
same caliber and cinematic
excellence on great Hindu heroes such as Chatr=
apati Shivaji,
Prithviraj Chouhan, Sri Krishnadeva Raya, Vikramarka, Saliv=
ahana,
Ashoka, Jnaaneshwar, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Shankaracharya,
Ramakri=
shna Paramahamsa, Vivekananda, Ramana Maharshi etc. But there
is no need t=
o denigrate a fine movie made on Akbar.
>
> These are my 2 cents on the f=
ire over Jodha Akbar.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> -------------------=
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lf: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
> Spirituality: http://groups.yaho=
> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.ho=
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>
> --=
--- Original Message -----
>
> Namaskar
>
> This is an awareness dri=
ve to awake people to boycott
movie 'Jodhaa Akbar'.
>
> The movie Jodha=
a Akbar is a vile, vicious, and covert attempt by
a mischievous producer/d=
irector from Bollywood (Mumbai) to make quick
bucks by denigrating and vil=
ifying the Hindu (Rajput) people. Sonia's
(Antonia Maino) Congress governm=
ent promtly banned 'Da Vinci Code'
movie after Christians' protest, but th=
is Secular (?) government is
so insensitive about Hindus protest about 'Jo=
dhaa-Akbar' !
>
> Visit - http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/3815.html to=
-
>
> a.. Know true story of Cruel Akbar and Jodhaabai
> b.. Kno=
w the people behind this conspiracy (The movie crew)
> c.. View glimps=
es of protests
> Send this mail to your friends for creating awareness an=
d
protecting self-respect.
>
> Shameful Hindus who throng to watch Jodh=
aa-Akbar, a film which
glorifies Hindu hater Cruel Akbar, are worthy of ge=
tting killed by
Terrorists!
>

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OM NAMAHSHIVAAYA
Dear Sri Sushil Dlkshit Ji,
Namaskar.
I am blessed to lear=
n the Kar mala from the file section and also
applied in my daily ritual e=
ffectively. Some difference (pervasive
effectiveness-may be my feelings I =
do not know) I found while counting
the mantra through Kar mala than the o=
rdinary finger method that I
follow. At this juncture, I shall be much obl=
iged if it is possible
for you to permit us to know the subtle details lik=
e why the finger
should not touch the finger lines and while counting eigh=
t why we are
omitting first and the last angusa and the specific method of=
starting
from Surya finger and why not including other angusa of the midd=
le
finger?
With respects.
Yours Sincerely,
S.Dheenadayalan
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Have you got Akbar's chart? Please can=
you share some astrological principles on his chart
Furtheremore when is=

your book on Tithi Pravesh coming out? I have been looking forward to it f=
or some years now! :)
Best wishes
Kasim
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Namaskaram anna,
I saw this movie and I cannot h=

elp responding.
It is true that Hindus and sanatana dharma suffered badly=

at the hands of Muslim invaders (and other invaders), but it is wrong to t=
ake out that anger on Akbar. Some people cannot see beyond a man's name and=
religion and hence cannot recognize when a great celestial being is born i=
n a different religion.
Swami Vimalananda, the Aghori yogi mentioned in t=

he "Aghora" series books, is somebody who achieved the highest states of co=
nsciousness. He received a lot of knowledge directly from Mother Tara. Acco=
rdinging to him, Akbar and Jodha were the re-incarnation of Samyukta and Ra=
jput King Prithviraj Chouhan. As Prithviraj, he repelled so many Muslim inv=
aders at the border of India. When Muslims finally conquered India, he was =
reborn as one of them and put breaks on their aggression and changed their =
ways.
In that age, Muslim invaders engaged in barbarism, destroyed temple=

s, libraries and other relics of native religion and culture. They beheaded=
Hindus who refused to convert, they raped Hindu women and they beheaded de=
feated kings. They just tried to wipe out the native religion and culture a=
nd replace with theirs. Akbar slowed down the barbarism and aggression and =
promoted tolerance and integration. He stopped the forced conversions, rape=
s and beheadings of Hindus. He stopped the destruction of temples and libra=
ries. He talked about respecting other religions while following one's own =
religion. He even took on the mighty Muslim clerics when he abolished a spe=
cial tax on Hindus based on religion. He was a man of great character, conv=
iction and principles and was utterly fearless. He had affinity for Rajputs=
and was even born in a Rajput family and spent early years there. He displ=
ayed the samskaras and instincts of a refined and cultured Rajput more than=
those a of Mughal king - he was so unlike his grandfather Babar, father Hu=
mayun and step-brother Adham.
He used to offer arghyas to Sun in the morn=

ing and then participate in a Zoroastrian fire ritual of Farsis (similar to=
our homam) and then do a namaz with Muslim clerics. Such tolerance was unh=
eard of from any other Muslim ruler in those days (or perhaps even today!).=
Towards the end of his life, he even started his own religion, which was b=
ased on his realization and is quite noble. He was a spiritually elevated s=
oul. Irrespective of the religion one follows, one deserves our respect and=
admiration if one embodies the spirit of sanatana dharma in one's thoughts=
and actions.
Akbar was a true hero - a being who came down from a higher=
loka to fulfil a certain mission with the blessings of rishis. His contrib=
ution to the safekeeping of sanatana dharma is not to be judged from what h=
arm his fellow Muslims inflicted on sanatana dharma. His contribution is to=
be judged from what *more* harm to sanatana dharma he helped *avoid*. If h=
e had not come, I have no doubt that sanatana dharma would have suffered mu=
ch much more than it did. That was not the wish of rishis and that is why t=
hey sent somebody to alter the course and minimize the harm. It is unfortun=
ate that those who see the goodness of emperor Ashoka and king Shivaji cann=
ot see the goodness of Akbar simply because he was a Muslim.
It is unfort=
unate that some Hindus are equating Akbar with the other cruel and barbaric=
Muslim kings. Who should be (was) a friend of Hindus is being portrayed as=
an enemy and being shot down. Instead, we should promote his story and ins=
pire more people to be like him. He was a great inspirational figure then a=
nd should be now too.
The epic movie "Jodha Albar" is a very good movie a=

bout one of the greatest and most dharmik emperors of India. The director a=
nd actor did justice to a man of great character that Akbar was. I am sad a=
bout the mud-slinging that some of my fellow Hindus are engaging in. Please=
do not assassinate the character of Akbar.
If you want, please make movi=

es of the same caliber and cinematic excellence on great Hindu heroes such =
as Chatrapati Shivaji, Prithviraj Chouhan, Sri Krishnadeva Raya, Vikramarka=
, Salivahana, Ashoka, Jnaaneshwar, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Shankaracharya, Ra=
makrishna Paramahamsa, Vivekananda, Ramana Maharshi etc. But there is no ne=
ed to denigrate a fine movie made on Akbar.
These are my 2 cents on the f=

Best regards,Narasimha-----------------------------=
-------------------------------------Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://ww=
w.VedicAstrologer.org/homamSpirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedi=
c-wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree =
Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Cen=
tre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org-----------------------------=
-------------------------------------

Namask=
arThis is an awareness drive to awake people to boycott movie 'Jodhaa Akbar=
'.The movie Jodhaa Akbar is a vile, vicious, and covert attempt by a mischi=
evous producer/director from Bollywood (Mumbai) to make quick bucks by deni=
grating and vilifying the Hindu (Rajput) people. Sonia's (Antonia Maino) Co=
ngress government promtly banned 'Da Vinci Code' movie after Christians' pr=
otest, but this Secular (?) government is so insensitive about Hindus prote=
st about 'Jodhaa-Akbar' ! Visit - http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/3815.htm=
l to -
Know true story of Cruel Akbar and Jodhaabai

Know the people behin=
d this conspiracy (The movie crew)
View glimpses of protestsSend this mail=
to your friends for creating awareness and protecting self-respect.Shamefu=
l Hindus who throng to watch Jodhaa-Akbar, a film which glorifies Hindu hat=
er Cruel Akbar, are worthy of getting killed by Terrorists!
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<BR>Dear Narasimha,<BR>
<BR>
!Hare Rama Krsna!<BR><BR>
Ha=
ve you got Akbar's chart? Please can you share some astrological principles=
on his chart<BR>
<BR>
Furtheremore when is your book on Tithi Praves=
h coming out? I have been looking forward to it for some years now! :)<BR>
=
<BR>
Best wishes<BR>
<BR>
Kasim<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<HR=
>
To: soma.ellappan@...; anrajendran2@...; avkraja@...; v=
iknarajesh@...; ramaputcha@...; nimishadevi5@...; nandyne=
@...; narayan.iyer@...; busana_mani@...; accounts@nakul=
an.co.in; flicker@...; tonybong1@...; srekalabharath@...;=
bala_444@...; santhiiv@...; aumsathyojathamba5@...; sushma=
_chetty@...; shobhasy@...; sastry.mani@...; susheelanm@gm=
ail.com; nvsrinivasan@...; manickam.sugumaran@...; dharmendar.ran=
e@...; devischild@...; djandyam@...; thirumurthi.devara=
jan@...; eganvay@...; dilangovan@...; deepa.duraiswamy@gm=
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engr.gauravnarula@...; gsthakker@...; gaayathriram2000@...=
.in; vbhagavathula@...; govintharajah9@...; cn@...; o=
vgiri@...; MurugesuG@...; aumrudrashakthiaum@gmail=
.com; balasubramanian.ganesan@...; humsha@...; Jayashree.Chellap=
pa@...; bujangam5@...; jaipadman@...; mrthyun=
jai@...; katallen108@...; cool_pen2001@...; katallen=
@...; kamya73@...; krisash@...; chandra.karthi@...=
; kalligoh@...; vbojee@...; malakanchana@...; kspandco@ya=
hoo.com; kanchana.rajamani@...; jyotsnasashi@...; lakshmi.venu@=
gmail.com; gayathril2582@...; lesantha@...; laxmiravi18@gmail.c=
om; pjayakanthan@...; danielleprager@...; prithima24@...=
m; prajinikanthan@...; naveencp6@...; suhirjp@...; spydah=
@...; tsp_hema@...; padmaja.bandaru@...; aumtapas=
vini23@...<BR>CC: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>From: pvr@charter.n=
et<BR>Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:34:14 -0500<BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] On A=
kbar (Re: Boycott 'Jodhaa Akbar' | Participate in awareness drive)<BR><BR>
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IV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Namaskaram anna,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
e=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I s=
aw this movie and I cannot help responding.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It is t=
t recognize when a great celestial being is born in a different religion.</=
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
face=3DArial size=3D2>Swami Vimalananda, the Aghori yogi mentioned in the =
"Aghora" series books, is somebody who achieved the highest states of consc=
iousness. He received a lot of knowledge directly from Mother Tara. Accordi=
nging to him, Akbar and Jodha were the re-incarnation of Samyukta and Rajpu=
t King Prithviraj Chouhan. As Prithviraj, he repelled so many Muslim invade=
rs at the border of India. When Muslims finally conquered India, he was reb=
orn as one of them and put breaks on their aggression and changed their way=
s.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In that age, Muslim invaders engaged in barbaris=
m, destroyed temples, libraries and other relics of native religion and cul=
ture. They beheaded Hindus who refused to convert, they raped Hindu women a=
nd they beheaded defeated kings. They just tried to wipe out the native rel=
igion and culture and replace with theirs. Akbar slowed down the barbarism =
and aggression and promoted tolerance and integration. He stopped the force=
d conversions, rapes and beheadings of Hindus. He stopped the destruct=
ion of temples and libraries. He talked about respecting other religions wh=
ile following one's own religion. He even took on the mighty Muslim clerics=
when he abolished a special tax on Hindus based on religion. He was a man =
of great character, conviction and principles and was utterly fearless. He =
had affinity for Rajputs and was even born in a Rajput family and spent ear=
ly years there. He displayed the samskaras and instincts of a refined and c=
ultured Rajput more than those a of Mughal king - he was so unlike his gran=
dfather Babar, father Humayun and step-brother Adham.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FO=
NT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
=3D2>He used to offer arghyas to Sun in the morning and then participate in=
a Zoroastrian fire ritual of Farsis (similar to our homam) and then do a n=
amaz with Muslim clerics. Such tolerance was unheard of from any other Musl=
im ruler in those days (or perhaps even today!). Towards the end of his lif=
e, he even started his own religion, which was based on his realization and=
is quite noble. He was a spiritually elevated soul. Irrespective of the re=
ligion one follows, one deserves our respect and admiration if one embodies=
the spirit of sanatana dharma in one's thoughts and actions.</FONT></DIV>
=
l size=3D2>Akbar was a true hero - a being who came down from a higher loka=
to fulfil a certain mission with the blessings of rishis. His contribution=
to the safekeeping of sanatana dharma is not to be judged from what harm h=
is fellow Muslims inflicted on sanatana dharma. His contribution is to be j=
udged from what *more* harm to sanatana dharma he helped *avoid*. If he had=
not come, I have no doubt that sanatana dharma would have suffered much mu=
ch more than it did. That was not the wish of rishis and that is why they s=
ent somebody to alter the course and minimize the harm. It is unfortunate t=
hat those who see the goodness of emperor Ashoka and king Shivaji cannot se=
e the goodness of Akbar simply because he was a Muslim.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
=3D2>It is unfortunate that some Hindus are equating Akbar with the other c=
ruel and barbaric Muslim kings. Who should be (was) a friend of Hindus is b=
eing portrayed as an enemy and being shot down. Instead, we should pro=
mote his story and inspire more people to be like him. He was a great inspi=
rational figure then and should be now too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The epi=
c movie "Jodha Albar" is a very good movie about one of the greatest and mo=
st dharmik emperors of India. The director and actor did justice to a man o=
f great character that Akbar was. I am sad about the mud-slinging that some=
of my fellow Hindus are engaging in. Please do not assassinate the charact=
er of Akbar.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you want, please make movies of the=
same caliber and cinematic excellence on great Hindu heroes such as Chatra=
pati Shivaji, Prithviraj Chouhan, Sri Krishnadeva Raya, Vikramarka, Salivah=
ana, Ashoka, Jnaaneshwar, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Shankaracharya, Ramakrishna=
Paramahamsa, Vivekananda, Ramana Maharshi etc. But there is no need to den=
igrate a fine movie made on Akbar.</FONT></DIV>
e=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>These are my 2 c=
ents on the fire over Jodha Akbar.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best regards,<BR=
>Narasimha<BR>-------------------------------------------------------------=
-----<BR>Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer=
.org/homam" target=3D_blank>http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</A><BR>Spi=
rituality: <A href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom" target=3D=
_blank>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom</A><BR>Free Jyotish lesso=
ns (MP3): <A href=3D"http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net/" target=3D_blank>h=
ttp://vedicastro.home.comcast.net</A><BR>Free Jyotish software (Windows): <=
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Astrologer.org</A><BR>Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <A href=3D"http:/=
/www.srijagannath.org/" target=3D_blank>http://www.SriJagannath.org</A><BR>=
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awareness drive to awake people to boycott movie 'Jodhaa Akbar'.</SPAN></B=
><BR><BR>The movie Jodhaa Akbar is a vile, vicious, and covert attempt by a=
mischievous producer/director from Bollywood (Mumbai) to make quick bucks =
by denigrating and vilifying the Hindu (Rajput) people. Sonia's (Antonia Ma=
ino) Congress government promtly banned 'Da Vinci Code' movie after Christi=
ans' protest, but this Secular (?) government is so insensitive about Hindu=
s protest about 'Jodhaa-Akbar' ! <BR><BR>Visit - <B><A href=3D"http://www.h=
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Dear Narasimha,
!Hare Rama Krsna!

Have you got Akbar's chart? Please can=
you share some astrological principles on his chart
Furtheremore when is=

your book on Tithi Pravesh coming out? I have been looking forward to it f=
or some years now! :)
Best wishes
Kasim
To: soma.ellappan@...=
; anrajendran2@...; avkraja@...; viknarajesh@...; ramaput=
cha@...; nimishadevi5@...; nandyne@...; narayan.iyer@gmai=
l.com; busana_mani@...; accounts@...; flicker@...; =
tonybong1@...; srekalabharath@...; bala_444@...; santhiiv=
@...; aumsathyojathamba5@...; sushma_chetty@...; shobhasy=
@...; sastry.mani@...; susheelanm@...; nvsrinivasan@yahoo.c=
om; manickam.sugumaran@...; dharmendar.rane@...; devischild@hotma=
il.com; djandyam@...; thirumurthi.devarajan@...; eganvay@gmail.=
com; dilangovan@...; deepa.duraiswamy@...; drpedocare_rai@yahoo=
.co.in; vrdswamy@...; gary@...; engr.gauravnarula@...; =
gsthakker@...; gaayathriram2000@...; vbhagavathula@...;=
govintharajah9@...; cn@...; ovgiri@...; MurugesuG@tr=
ansfieldservices.com; aumrudrashakthiaum@...; balasubramanian.ganesan=
@...; humsha@...; Jayashree.Chellappa@...; buj=
angam5@...; jaipadman@...; mrthyunjai@...; katallen1=
08@...; cool_pen2001@...; katallen@...; kamya73@yahoo.c=
a; krisash@...; chandra.karthi@...; kalligoh@...; vbojee@=
intnet.mu; malakanchana@...; kspandco@...; kanchana.rajamani@gm=
ail.com; jyotsnasashi@...; lakshmi.venu@...; gayathril2582@gmai=
l.com; lesantha@...; laxmiravi18@...; pjayakanthan@...; d=
anielleprager@...; prithima24@...; prajinikanthan@...; =
naveencp6@...; suhirjp@...; spydah@...; tsp_hema@ya=
hoo.co.in; padmaja.bandaru@...; aumtapasvini23@...: vedic-wis=
dom@yahoogroups.comFrom: pvr@...: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:34:14 -05=
00Subject: [vedic-wisdom] On Akbar (Re: Boycott 'Jodhaa Akbar' | Participat=
e in awareness drive)
Namaskaram anna,
I saw this movie and I cannot h=
elp responding.
It is true that Hindus and sanatana dharma suffered badly=

at the hands of Muslim invaders (and other invaders), but it is wrong to t=
ake out that anger on Akbar. Some people cannot see beyond a man's name and=
religion and hence cannot recognize when a great celestial being is born i=
n a different religion.
Swami Vimalananda, the Aghori yogi mentioned in t=

he "Aghora" series books, is somebody who achieved the highest states of co=
nsciousness. He received a lot of knowledge directly from Mother Tara. Acco=
rdinging to him, Akbar and Jodha were the re-incarnation of Samyukta and Ra=
jput King Prithviraj Chouhan. As Prithviraj, he repelled so many Muslim inv=
aders at the border of India. When Muslims finally conquered India, he was =
reborn as one of them and put breaks on their aggression and changed their =
ways.
In that age, Muslim invaders engaged in barbarism, destroyed temple=

s, libraries and other relics of native religion and culture. They beheaded=
Hindus who refused to convert, they raped Hindu women and they beheaded de=
feated kings. They just tried to wipe out the native religion and culture a=
nd replace with theirs. Akbar slowed down the barbarism and aggression and =
promoted tolerance and integration. He stopped the forced conversions, rape=
s and beheadings of Hindus. He stopped the destruction of temples and libra=
ries. He talked about respecting other religions while following one's own =
religion. He even took on the mighty Muslim clerics when he abolished a spe=
cial tax on Hindus based on religion. He was a man of great character, conv=
iction and principles and was utterly fearless. He had affinity for Rajputs=
and was even born in a Rajput family and spent early years there. He displ=
ayed the samskaras and instincts of a refined and cultured Rajput more than=
those a of Mughal king - he was so unlike his grandfather Babar, father Hu=
mayun and step-brother Adham.
He used to offer arghyas to Sun in the morn=

ing and then participate in a Zoroastrian fire ritual of Farsis (similar to=
our homam) and then do a namaz with Muslim clerics. Such tolerance was unh=
eard of from any other Muslim ruler in those days (or perhaps even today!).=
Towards the end of his life, he even started his own religion, which was b=
ased on his realization and is quite noble. He was a spiritually elevated s=
oul. Irrespective of the religion one follows, one deserves our respect and=
admiration if one embodies the spirit of sanatana dharma in one's thoughts=
and actions.
Akbar was a true hero - a being who came down from a higher=
loka to fulfil a certain mission with the blessings of rishis. His contrib=
ution to the safekeeping of sanatana dharma is not to be judged from what h=
arm his fellow Muslims inflicted on sanatana dharma. His contribution is to=
be judged from what *more* harm to sanatana dharma he helped *avoid*. If h=
e had not come, I have no doubt that sanatana dharma would have suffered mu=
ch much more than it did. That was not the wish of rishis and that is why t=
hey sent somebody to alter the course and minimize the harm. It is unfortun=
ate that those who see the goodness of emperor Ashoka and king Shivaji cann=
ot see the goodness of Akbar simply because he was a Muslim.
It is unfort=
unate that some Hindus are equating Akbar with the other cruel and barbaric=
Muslim kings. Who should be (was) a friend of Hindus is being portrayed as=
an enemy and being shot down. Instead, we should promote his story and ins=
pire more people to be like him. He was a great inspirational figure then a=
nd should be now too.
The epic movie "Jodha Albar" is a very good movie a=

bout one of the greatest and most dharmik emperors of India. The director a=
nd actor did justice to a man of great character that Akbar was. I am sad a=
bout the mud-slinging that some of my fellow Hindus are engaging in. Please=
do not assassinate the character of Akbar.

These are my 2 cents on the f=

Best regards,Narasimha-----------------------------=
-------------------------------------Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://ww=
w.VedicAstrologer.org/homamSpirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedi=
c-wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree =
Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Cen=
tre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org-----------------------------=
-------------------------------------

Namask=
arThis is an awareness drive to awake people to boycott movie 'Jodhaa Akbar=
'.The movie Jodhaa Akbar is a vile, vicious, and covert attempt by a mischi=
st about 'Jodhaa-Akbar' ! Visit - http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/3815.htm=
l to -
Know true story of Cruel Akbar and Jodhaabai

Know the people behin=
d this conspiracy (The movie crew)
View glimpses of protestsSend this mail=
to your friends for creating awareness and protecting self-respect.Shamefu=
l Hindus who throng to watch Jodhaa-Akbar, a film which glorifies Hindu hat=
er Cruel Akbar, are worthy of getting killed by Terrorists!
_____________=
____________________________________________________
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<BR>Dear Narasimha,<BR>
<BR>
!Hare Rama Krsna!<BR><BR>
Ha=
ve you got Akbar's chart? Please can you share some astrological principles=
on his chart<BR>
<BR>
Furtheremore when is your book on Tithi Praves=
h coming out? I have been looking forward to it for some years now! :)<BR>
=
<BR>
Best wishes<BR>
<BR>
Kasim<BR>
<BR>
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<HR=
>
To: soma.ellappan@...; anrajendran2@...; avkraja@...; v=
iknarajesh@...; ramaputcha@...; nimishadevi5@...; nandyne=
@...; narayan.iyer@...; busana_mani@...; accounts@nakul=
an.co.in; flicker@...; tonybong1@...; srekalabharath@...;=
bala_444@...; santhiiv@...; aumsathyojathamba5@...; sushma=
_chetty@...; shobhasy@...; sastry.mani@...; susheelanm@gm=
ail.com; nvsrinivasan@...; manickam.sugumaran@...; dharmendar.ran=
e@...; devischild@...; djandyam@...; thirumurthi.devara=
jan@...; eganvay@...; dilangovan@...; deepa.duraiswamy@gm=
ail.com; drpedocare_rai@...; vrdswamy@...; gary@...; =
engr.gauravnarula@...; gsthakker@...; gaayathriram2000@...=
.in; vbhagavathula@...; govintharajah9@...; cn@...; o=
vgiri@...; MurugesuG@...; aumrudrashakthiaum@gmail=
.com; balasubramanian.ganesan@...; humsha@...; Jayashree.Chellap=
pa@...; bujangam5@...; jaipadman@...; mrthyun=
jai@...; katallen108@...; cool_pen2001@...; katallen=
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t recognize when a great celestial being is born in a different religion.</=
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"Aghora" series books, is somebody who achieved the highest states of consc=
iousness. He received a lot of knowledge directly from Mother Tara. Accordi=
nging to him, Akbar and Jodha were the re-incarnation of Samyukta and Rajpu=
t King Prithviraj Chouhan. As Prithviraj, he repelled so many Muslim invade=
rs at the border of India. When Muslims finally conquered India, he was reb=
orn as one of them and put breaks on their aggression and changed their way=
s.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In that age, Muslim invaders engaged in barbaris=
m, destroyed temples, libraries and other relics of native religion and cul=
ture. They beheaded Hindus who refused to convert, they raped Hindu women a=
nd they beheaded defeated kings. They just tried to wipe out the native rel=
igion and culture and replace with theirs. Akbar slowed down the barbarism =
and aggression and promoted tolerance and integration. He stopped the force=
d conversions, rapes and beheadings of Hindus. He stopped the destruct=
ion of temples and libraries. He talked about respecting other religions wh=
ile following one's own religion. He even took on the mighty Muslim clerics=
when he abolished a special tax on Hindus based on religion. He was a man =
of great character, conviction and principles and was utterly fearless. He =
had affinity for Rajputs and was even born in a Rajput family and spent ear=
ly years there. He displayed the samskaras and instincts of a refined and c=
ultured Rajput more than those a of Mughal king - he was so unlike his gran=
dfather Babar, father Humayun and step-brother Adham.</FONT></DIV>
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a Zoroastrian fire ritual of Farsis (similar to our homam) and then do a n=
amaz with Muslim clerics. Such tolerance was unheard of from any other Musl=
im ruler in those days (or perhaps even today!). Towards the end of his lif=
e, he even started his own religion, which was based on his realization and=
is quite noble. He was a spiritually elevated soul. Irrespective of the re=
ligion one follows, one deserves our respect and admiration if one embodies=
the spirit of sanatana dharma in one's thoughts and actions.</FONT></DIV>
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l size=3D2>Akbar was a true hero - a being who came down from a higher loka=
to fulfil a certain mission with the blessings of rishis. His contribution=
to the safekeeping of sanatana dharma is not to be judged from what harm h=
is fellow Muslims inflicted on sanatana dharma. His contribution is to be j=
udged from what *more* harm to sanatana dharma he helped *avoid*. If he had=
not come, I have no doubt that sanatana dharma would have suffered much mu=
ch more than it did. That was not the wish of rishis and that is why they s=
ent somebody to alter the course and minimize the harm. It is unfortunate t=
hat those who see the goodness of emperor Ashoka and king Shivaji cannot se=
e the goodness of Akbar simply because he was a Muslim.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
=3D2>It is unfortunate that some Hindus are equating Akbar with the other c=
ruel and barbaric Muslim kings. Who should be (was) a friend of Hindus is b=
eing portrayed as an enemy and being shot down. Instead, we should pro=
mote his story and inspire more people to be like him. He was a great inspi=
rational figure then and should be now too.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The epi=
c movie "Jodha Albar" is a very good movie about one of the greatest and mo=
st dharmik emperors of India. The director and actor did justice to a man o=
f great character that Akbar was. I am sad about the mud-slinging that some=
of my fellow Hindus are engaging in. Please do not assassinate the charact=
er of Akbar.</FONT></DIV>
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you want, please make movies of the=
same caliber and cinematic excellence on great Hindu heroes such as Chatra=
pati Shivaji, Prithviraj Chouhan, Sri Krishnadeva Raya, Vikramarka, Salivah=
ana, Ashoka, Jnaaneshwar, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Shankaracharya, Ramakrishna=
Paramahamsa, Vivekananda, Ramana Maharshi etc. But there is no need to den=
igrate a fine movie made on Akbar.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>These are my 2 c=
ents on the fire over Jodha Akbar.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best regards,<BR=
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ino) Congress government promtly banned 'Da Vinci Code' movie after Christi=
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Namaste Kumar ji,
Vimalananda did not write the books. He was a yogi who lived his life freely
and shunned publicity. Even people close to him did not know about his
abilities and very few knew what he was capable of. He gave a lot of
freewheeling talks to Robert Svoboda on many aspects of spirituality and
made the latter take down notes. He asked him to publish them after he left
the body. Thus, the books were published after Vimalananda left the world.
He did not want any attention while living.
In my humble opinion, these books are a divinely inspired work and

Vimalananda was someone who experienced the highest states of consciousness.
He must be a reborn rishi. However, I must warn you that these books may
shock some of you and put you off.
Most religious practices maintain some level of external purity. Even though
we say that "all is Brahman", we treat different objects differently and
consider some objects as "pure" and some as "impure".
In aghora, the faith in the internal purity of everything is so high that

external purity is de-emphasized and seemingly gross and disgusting things
are practiced, just so that one overcomes aversion and attraction for things
and sees all as one (Brahman). The path of aghora is not for everyone. A
very high level of internal purity is required for success in it. Without
it, one should not attempt it, because one is guaranteed to fall.
There is no doubt that these are fantastic books that are directly inspired
by Mother Smashaana Taaraa. I recommend them to every spiritual seeker who
is curious about tantric practices, with the cautionary word that you
should be prepared to be shocked.
Here are the links in Amazon:
(1) "Aghora, At the Left Hand of God" by Robert E Svoboda

http://www.amazon.com/AGHORA-Left-Hand-God-Aghora/dp/0914732218
(2) "Aghora II: Kundalini" by Robert E Svoboda

http://www.amazon.com/AGHORA-II-Kundalini-Aghora/dp/0914732315
(3) "Aghora III: The Law of Karma" by Robert E Svoboda

http://www.amazon.com/Aghora-III-Karma-Robert-Svoboda/dp/0914732374
The first book is awe-inspiring and tends to catch the imagination with its
magical tales. It is a popular book. The second book is even more insightful
and full of genuine knowledge. There is a lot of nonsense on Kundalini out
there and this is the most genuine book. The third book is the least popular
of the series, but perhaps the best. Overall, these books have a lot of deep
knowledge in coded form, provided one overcomes the initial shock and gets a
sense of what aghora is all about.
Vimalananda had a darshan of Smashaana Taaraa when he was 20 or 21 and kept
seeing Her almost every night. He basically learnt about everything from Her
directly.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:43 PM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] On Akbar (Re: Boycott 'Jodhaa Akbar' | Participate
in awareness drive)
> Narasimhaji,
> Thanks for informative post. Could you please tell me how to get
> Aghora Series by Swami Vimalananda and his biography?
> Thanks and Regards,
> Kumar Ghanta
>
>
> wrote:
>>
>> Namaskaram anna,
>>
>> I saw this movie and I cannot help responding.
>>
>> It is true that Hindus and sanatana dharma suffered badly at the
> hands of Muslim invaders (and other invaders), but it is wrong to
> take out that anger on Akbar. Some people cannot see beyond a man's
> name and religion and hence cannot recognize when a great celestial
> being is born in a different religion.
>>
>> Swami Vimalananda, the Aghori yogi mentioned in the "Aghora" series
> books, is somebody who achieved the highest states of consciousness.
> He received a lot of knowledge directly from Mother Tara.
> Accordinging to him, Akbar and Jodha were the re-incarnation of
> Samyukta and Rajput King Prithviraj Chouhan. As Prithviraj, he
> repelled so many Muslim invaders at the border of India. When Muslims
> finally conquered India, he was reborn as one of them and put breaks
> on their aggression and changed their ways.
>>
>> In that age, Muslim invaders engaged in barbarism, destroyed
> temples, libraries and other relics of native religion and culture.
> They beheaded Hindus who refused to convert, they raped Hindu women
> and they beheaded defeated kings. They just tried to wipe out the
> native religion and culture and replace with theirs. Akbar slowed
> down the barbarism and aggression and promoted tolerance and
> integration. He stopped the forced conversions, rapes and beheadings
> of Hindus. He stopped the destruction of temples and libraries. He
> talked about respecting other religions while following one's own
> religion. He even took on the mighty Muslim clerics when he abolished
> a special tax on Hindus based on religion. He was a man of great
> character, conviction and principles and was utterly fearless. He had
> affinity for Rajputs and was even born in a Rajput family and spent
> early years there. He displayed the samskaras and instincts of a
> refined and cultured Rajput more than those a of Mughal king - he was
> so unlike his grandfather Babar, father Humayun and step-brother
> Adham.
>>
>> He used to offer arghyas to Sun in the morning and then participate
> in a Zoroastrian fire ritual of Farsis (similar to our homam) and
> then do a namaz with Muslim clerics. Such tolerance was unheard of
> from any other Muslim ruler in those days (or perhaps even today!).
> Towards the end of his life, he even started his own religion, which
> was based on his realization and is quite noble. He was a spiritually
> elevated soul. Irrespective of the religion one follows, one deserves
> our respect and admiration if one embodies the spirit of sanatana
> dharma in one's thoughts and actions.
>>
>> Akbar was a true hero - a being who came down from a higher loka to
> fulfil a certain mission with the blessings of rishis. His
> contribution to the safekeeping of sanatana dharma is not to be
> judged from what harm his fellow Muslims inflicted on sanatana
> dharma. His contribution is to be judged from what *more* harm to
> sanatana dharma he helped *avoid*. If he had not come, I have no
> doubt that sanatana dharma would have suffered much much more than it
> did. That was not the wish of rishis and that is why they sent
> somebody to alter the course and minimize the harm. It is unfortunate
> that those who see the goodness of emperor Ashoka and king Shivaji
> cannot see the goodness of Akbar simply because he was a Muslim.
>>
>> It is unfortunate that some Hindus are equating Akbar with the
> other cruel and barbaric Muslim kings. Who should be (was) a friend
> of Hindus is being portrayed as an enemy and being shot down.
> Instead, we should promote his story and inspire more people to be
> like him. He was a great inspirational figure then and should be now
> too.
>>
>> The epic movie "Jodha Albar" is a very good movie about one of the
> greatest and most dharmik emperors of India. The director and actor
> did justice to a man of great character that Akbar was. I am sad
> about the mud-slinging that some of my fellow Hindus are engaging in.
> Please do not assassinate the character of Akbar.
>>
>> If you want, please make movies of the same caliber and cinematic
> excellence on great Hindu heroes such as Chatrapati Shivaji,
> Prithviraj Chouhan, Sri Krishnadeva Raya, Vikramarka, Salivahana,
> Ashoka, Jnaaneshwar, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Shankaracharya,
> Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Vivekananda, Ramana Maharshi etc. But there
> is no need to denigrate a fine movie made on Akbar.
>>
>> These are my 2 cents on the fire over Jodha Akbar.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Narasimha
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Namaskar
>>
>> This is an awareness drive to awake people to boycott
> movie 'Jodhaa Akbar'.
>>
>> The movie Jodhaa Akbar is a vile, vicious, and covert attempt by
> a mischievous producer/director from Bollywood (Mumbai) to make quick
> bucks by denigrating and vilifying the Hindu (Rajput) people. Sonia's
> (Antonia Maino) Congress government promtly banned 'Da Vinci Code'
> movie after Christians' protest, but this Secular (?) government is
> so insensitive about Hindus protest about 'Jodhaa-Akbar' !
>>
>> Visit - http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/3815.html to -
>>
>> a.. Know true story of Cruel Akbar and Jodhaabai
>> b.. Know the people behind this conspiracy (The movie crew)
>> c.. View glimpses of protests
>> Send this mail to your friends for creating awareness and
> protecting self-respect.
>>
>> Shameful Hindus who throng to watch Jodhaa-Akbar, a film which
> glorifies Hindu hater Cruel Akbar, are worthy of getting killed by
> Terrorists!
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Dear Kasim,
Please check "Notable Horoscopes" by Dr B.V. Raman. He discus=

sed Akbar's chart.
I am not actively working on the Tithi Pravesha book r=

ight now. It is not really in my hand. But I can sense that the time to wra=
p it up is coming soon.
But, before that book, I will probably be sharing=

a second homam manual.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Dear Narasimha,
!Hare Rama Krsna!
Have you got Akbar's chart? Ple=

ase can you share some astrological principles on his chart
Furtherem=
ore when is your book on Tithi Pravesh coming out? I have been looking forw=
ard to it for some years now! :)
Best wishes
Kasim
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Akbar (Re: Boycott 'Jodhaa Akbar' | Participate in awareness drive)
N=
amaskaram anna,
I saw this movie and I cannot help responding.
It=
is true that Hindus and sanatana dharma suffered badly at the hands of Mus=
lim invaders (and other invaders), but it is wrong to take out that anger o=
n Akbar. Some people cannot see beyond a man's name and religion and hence =
cannot recognize when a great celestial being is born in a different religi=
on.
Swami Vimalananda, the Aghori yogi mentioned in the "Aghora" serie=

s books, is somebody who achieved the highest states of consciousness. He r=
eceived a lot of knowledge directly from Mother Tara. Accordinging to him, =
Akbar and Jodha were the re-incarnation of Samyukta and Rajput King Prithvi=
raj Chouhan. As Prithviraj, he repelled so many Muslim invaders at the bord=
er of India. When Muslims finally conquered India, he was reborn as one of =
them and put breaks on their aggression and changed their ways.
In tha=
t age, Muslim invaders engaged in barbarism, destroyed temples, libraries a=
nd other relics of native religion and culture. They beheaded Hindus who re=
fused to convert, they raped Hindu women and they beheaded defeated kings. =
They just tried to wipe out the native religion and culture and replace wit=
h theirs. Akbar slowed down the barbarism and aggression and promoted toler=
ance and integration. He stopped the forced conversions, rapes and beheadin=
gs of Hindus. He stopped the destruction of temples and libraries. He talke=
d about respecting other religions while following one's own religion. He e=
ven took on the mighty Muslim clerics when he abolished a special tax on Hi=
ndus based on religion. He was a man of great character, conviction and pri=
nciples and was utterly fearless. He had affinity for Rajputs and was even =
born in a Rajput family and spent early years there. He displayed the samsk=
aras and instincts of a refined and cultured Rajput more than those a of Mu=
ghal kig - he was so unlike his grandfather Babar, father Humayun and step-=
brother Adham.
He used to offer arghyas to Sun in the morning and then=

participate in a Zoroastrian fire ritual of Farsis (similar to our homam) =
and then do a namaz with Muslim clerics. Such tolerance was unheard of from=
any other Muslim ruler in those days (or perhaps even today!). Towards the=
end of his life, he even started his own religion, which was based on his =
realization and is quite noble. He was a spiritually elevated soul. Irrespe=
ctive of the religion one follows, one deserves our respect and admiration =
if one embodies the spirit of sanatana dharma in one's thoughts and actions=
.
Akbar was a true hero - a being who came down from a higher loka to =
fulfil a certain mission with the blessings of rishis. His contribution to =
the safekeeping of sanatana dharma is not to be judged from what harm his f=
ellow Muslims inflicted on sanatana dharma. His contribution is to be judge=
d from what *more* harm to sanatana dharma he helped *avoid*. If he had not=
come, I have no doubt that sanatana dharma would have suffered much much m=
ore than it did. That was not the wish of rishis and that is why they sent =
somebody to alter the course and minimize the harm. It is unfortunate that =
those who see the goodness of emperor Ashoka and king Shivaji cannot see th=
e goodness of Akbar simply because he was a Muslim.
It is unfortunate =
that some Hindus are equating Akbar with the other cruel and barbaric Musli=
m kings. Who should be (was) a friend of Hindus is being portrayed as an en=
emy and being shot down. Instead, we should promote his story and inspire m=
ore people to be like him. He was a great inspirational figure then and sho=
uld be now too.
The epic movie "Jodha Albar" is a very good movie abou=

t one of the greatest and most dharmik emperors of India. The director and =
actor did justice to a man of great character that Akbar was. I am sad abou=
t the mud-slinging that some of my fellow Hindus are engaging in. Please do=
not assassinate the character of Akbar.

These are my 2 cents on th=

e fire over Jodha Akbar.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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This i=
s an awareness drive to awake people to boycott movie 'Jodhaa Akbar'.
=
The movie Jodhaa Akbar is a vile, vicious, and covert attempt by a mischi=
st about 'Jodhaa-Akbar' !
Visit - http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/=
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a.. Know true story of Cruel Akbar and Jodhaabai

=
b.. Know the people behind this conspiracy (The movie crew)
=
c.. View glimpses of protests
Send this mail to your friends for cre=
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Shameful Hindus who thr=

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Please check "Notable Horoscopes" by Dr =
B.V.
Raman</FONT><FONT face=3DArial>. He discussed Akbar's chart.</FONT></=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I =
am not actively working on the Tithi Pravesha book right
now. It is not re=
ally in my hand. But I can sense that the time to wrap it up is
coming soo=
n.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial>But, before that book, I will probably be sharing a second
homam =
manual.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
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regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------------------------=
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<A title=3Dkasim_ch@... href=3D=
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Khan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT=
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03, 2008 11:04
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</=
B> RE: [vedic-wisdom] On Akbar (Re:
Boycott 'Jodhaa Akbar' | Participate=
in awareness drive)</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT><BR></DIV><BR>D=
ear Narasimha,<BR> <BR>!Hare
Rama Krsna!<BR><BR>Have you got Akbar'=
s chart? Please can you share some
astrological principles on his chart<=
BR> <BR>Furtheremore when is your
book on Tithi Pravesh coming out?=
I have been looking forward to it for some
years now! :)<BR> <BR>B=
est wishes<BR> <BR>Kasim<BR> <BR>
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<DIV><FONT=
face=3DArial size=3D2>Namaskaram anna,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
Arial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
aw this movie and I cannot help
responding.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FON=
T face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
e=3D2>It is true that Hindus and sanatana dharma
suffered badly at the=
hands of Muslim invaders (and other invaders), but it
is wrong to tak=
e out that anger on Akbar. Some people cannot see beyond a
man's name =
and religion and hence cannot recognize when a great celestial
being i=
s born in a different religion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial si=
ze=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Swami Vimal=
ananda, the Aghori yogi mentioned in
the "Aghora" series books, is som=
ebody who achieved the highest states of
consciousness. He received a =
lot of knowledge directly from Mother Tara.
Accordinging to him, Akbar=
and Jodha were the re-incarnation of Samyukta and
Rajput King Prithvi=
raj Chouhan. As Prithviraj, he repelled so many Muslim
invaders at the=
border of India. When Muslims finally conquered India, he
was reborn =
as one of them and put breaks on their aggression and changed
their wa=
ys.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In that age, Muslim invaders engaged in=
barbarism, destroyed temples, libraries and other relics of native re=

ligion
and culture. They beheaded Hindus who refused to convert, they =
raped Hindu
women and they beheaded defeated kings. They just tried to=
wipe out the
native religion and culture and replace with theirs. Akb=
ar slowed down the
barbarism and aggression and promoted tolerance and=
integration. He stopped
the forced conversions, rapes and behead=
ings of Hindus. He stopped the
destruction of temples and libraries. H=
e talked about respecting other
religions while following one's own re=
ligion. He even took on the mighty
Muslim clerics when he abolished a =
special tax on Hindus based on religion.
He was a man of great charact=
er, conviction and principles and was utterly
fearless. He had affinit=
y for Rajputs and was even born in a Rajput family
and spent early yea=
rs there. He displayed the samskaras and instincts of a
refined and cu=
ltured Rajput more than those a of Mughal kig - he was so
unlike his g=
randfather Babar, father Humayun and step-brother
Adham.</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT fac=
e=3DArial size=3D2>He used to offer arghyas to Sun in the morning
and =
then participate in a Zoroastrian fire ritual of Farsis (similar to our
=
homam) and then do a namaz with Muslim clerics. Such tolerance was unhear=
d
of from any other Muslim ruler in those days (or perhaps even today!=
).
Towards the end of his life, he even started his own religion, whic=
h was
based on his realization and is quite noble. He was a spirituall=
y elevated
soul. Irrespective of the religion one follows, one deserve=
s our respect and
admiration if one embodies the spirit of sanatana dh=
arma in one's thoughts
and actions.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>=
Akbar was a true hero - a being who came down
from a higher loka to fu=
lfil a certain mission with the blessings of rishis.
His contribution =
to the safekeeping of sanatana dharma is not to be judged
from what ha=
rm his fellow Muslims inflicted on sanatana dharma. His
contribution i=
s to be judged from what *more* harm to sanatana dharma he
helped *avo=
id*. If he had not come, I have no doubt that sanatana dharma
would ha=
ve suffered much much more than it did. That was not the wish of
rishi=
s and that is why they sent somebody to alter the course and minimize
=
the harm. It is unfortunate that those who see the goodness of emperor
=
Ashoka and king Shivaji cannot see the goodness of Akbar simply because he=
was a Muslim.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FON=
T> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It is unfortunate that =
some Hindus are equating
Akbar with the other cruel and barbaric Musli=
m kings. Who should be (was) a
friend of Hindus is being portrayed as =
an enemy and being shot
down. Instead, we should promote his stor=
y and inspire more people to
be like him. He was a great inspirational=
figure then and should be now
too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
The epic movie "Jodha Albar" is a very good
movie about one of the gre=
atest and most dharmik emperors of India. The
director and actor did j=
ustice to a man of great character that Akbar was. I
am sad about the =
mud-slinging that some of my fellow Hindus are engaging in.
Please do =
not assassinate the character of Akbar.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If =
you want, please make movies of the same
caliber and cinematic excelle=
nce on great Hindu heroes such as Chatrapati
Shivaji, Prithviraj Chouh=
an, Sri Krishnadeva Raya, Vikramarka, Salivahana,
Ashoka, Jnaaneshwar,=
Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Shankaracharya, Ramakrishna
Paramahamsa, Viveka=
nanda, Ramana Maharshi etc. But there is no need to
denigrate a fine m=
ovie made on Akbar.</FONT></DIV>
T> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>These are my 2 cents on=
the fire over Jodha
Akbar.</FONT></DIV>
ize=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best
=
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>--------------------------------------------------=
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boycott mov=
ie 'Jodhaa Akbar'.</SPAN></B><BR><BR>The movie Jodhaa Akbar is
a vil=
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fr=
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=
the Hindu (Rajput) people. Sonia's (Antonia Maino) Congress government
=
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his
Secular (?) government is so insensitive about Hindus protest ab=
out
'Jodhaa-Akbar' ! <BR><BR>Visit - <B><A
href=3D"http://www=
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target=3D_blank>http://www.hinduja=
gruti.org/news/3815.html</A></B> to -<BR>
<UL>
<LI>Know true =
story of Cruel Akbar and Jodhaabai
<LI>Know the people behind this=
conspiracy (The movie crew)
<LI>View glimpses of protests</LI></U=
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style=3D"COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)">=
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fies Hindu hater Cruel Akbar, are worthy
of getting killed by Terror=
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Dear Narasimha,
Thank you for your enlightening and inspiring posts.
Could you please clarify when we are supposed to celebrate MahaShivratri this year
in America. I looked up in JHora and thought it was Wednesday, March 5. Chaturdashi
starts around 3 pm EST on March 5 and ends on Thursday, March 6 around 2 pm EST. I
assumed that you would fast and pray the night of March 5 but our temple priests
insists that we need to celebrate it on the midnight of March 6, when, in fact, it
will be amavasya during the entire night...
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namaste,
Shivaratri is "Phalguna Krishna Chaturdashi Nishita-vyapini"
Divide the night (sunset to sunrise) into 5 parts. When chaturdasi

prevails during the middle part (when midnight occurs), that is the
night during which shivarati is to be observed. Many priests are
simply following the dates used in India. So be it. Those who know the
details can try to be more careful.
Incidentally, it is not clearcut even in India. For example, some

members have posted to other e-mail lists conveying that Sringeri is
celebrating it on the 5th, as per the word of the pontiff there.
Even in the US, festivals may occasionally vary by one day between the
east & west coasts.
bhavadIyaH,
ajit
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>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Narasimha,
>
> Thank you for your enlightening and inspiring posts.
>
> Could you please clarify when we are supposed to celebrate MahaShivratri
> this year in America. I looked up in JHora and thought it was Wednesday,
> March 5. Chaturdashi starts around 3 pm EST on March 5 and ends on Thursday,
> March 6 around 2 pm EST. I assumed that you would fast and pray the night of
> March 5 but our temple priests insists that we need to celebrate it on the
> midnight of March 6, when, in fact, it will be amavasya during the entire
> night...
>
> Thanks once again,
> Chandraprakash
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Dear Ajit,
I am assuming your e-mail indicates that you believe Shivratri should be celebrated
on March 5 (at least on the east coast). Now I just got off the phone with our
temple priest and his logic is that we should use the tithi at sunrise because that
is the time when we take the sankalpa for the fast! I have always felt that using
the tithi prevailing at sunrise for the rest of the day till the next sunrise for
our festivals must be due to some good reasons but no one has explained that me as
yet!
Clearly, this is something that we (as Hindus) need to resolve. But, I guess,
unanimity on just about anything has never been one of the characteristics of our
tradition...
regards,
Chandraprakash
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From: Ajit Krishnan <ajit.krishnan@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2008 8:15:46 PM
namaste,
Shivaratri is "Phalguna Krishna Chaturdashi Nishita-vyapini"
Divide the night (sunset to sunrise) into 5 parts. When chaturdasi

prevails during the middle part (when midnight occurs), that is the
night during which shivarati is to be observed. Many priests are
simply following the dates used in India. So be it. Those who know the
details can try to be more careful.
Incidentally, it is not clearcut even in India. For example, some

members have posted to other e-mail lists conveying that Sringeri is
celebrating it on the 5th, as per the word of the pontiff there.
Even in the US, festivals may occasionally vary by one day between the
east & west coasts.
bhavadIyaH,
ajit
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Chandra Prakash <vedicstudent@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Narasimha,
>
>
> Could you please clarify when we are supposed to celebrate MahaShivratri
> this year in America. I looked up in JHora and thought it was Wednesday,
> March 5. Chaturdashi starts around 3 pm EST on March 5 and ends on Thursday,
> March 6 around 2 pm EST. I assumed that you would fast and pray the night of
> March 5 but our temple priests insists that we need to celebrate it on the
> midnight of March 6, when, in fact, it will be amavasya during the entire
> night...
>
> Chandraprakash
>



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york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">Dear Ajit,<br><br>I am assuming your e-mail
indicates that you believe Shivratri should be celebrated on March 5 (at least on
the east coast). Now I just got off the phone with our temple priest and his logic
is that we should use the tithi at sunrise because that is the time when we take
the sankalpa for the fast! I have always felt that using the tithi prevailing at
sunrise for the rest of the day till the next sunrise for our festivals must be due
to some good reasons but no one has explained that me as yet!<br><br>Clearly, this
is something that we (as Hindus) need to resolve. But, I guess, unanimity on just
about anything has never been one of the characteristics of our
tradition...<br><br>regards,<br>Chandraprakash<br><br><div style="border-left: 2px
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<br>From: Ajit Krishnan <ajit.krishnan@...><br>To: vedic-
wisdom@yahoogroups.com<br>Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2008 8:15:46 PM<br>Subject: Re:
[vedic-wisdom] MahaShivratri<br><br>
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<p>namaste,<br>
<br>
Shivaratri is "Phalguna Krishna Chaturdashi Nishita-vyapini"<br>
<br>
Divide the night (sunset to sunrise) into 5 parts. When chaturdasi<br>
prevails during the middle part (when midnight occurs), that is the<br>
night during which shivarati is to be observed. Many priests are<br>
simply following the dates used in India. So be it. Those who know the<br>
details can try to be more careful.<br>
<br>
Incidentally, it is not clearcut even in India. For example, some<br>
members have posted to other e-mail lists conveying that Sringeri is<br>
celebrating it on the 5th, as per the word of the pontiff there.<br>
<br>
Even in the US, festivals may occasionally vary by one day between the<br>
east & west coasts.<br>
<br>
bhavadIyaH,<br>
<br>
ajit<br>
<br>
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Chandra Prakash <<a rel="nofollow"
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><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Dear Narasimha,<br>
><br>
> Thank you for your enlightening and inspiring posts.<br>
><br>
> Could you please clarify when we are supposed to celebrate MahaShivratri<br>
> this year in America. I looked up in JHora and thought it was Wednesday,<br>
> March 5. Chaturdashi starts around 3 pm EST on March 5 and ends on Thursday,<br>
> March 6 around 2 pm EST. I assumed that you would fast and pray the night of<br>
> March 5 but our temple priests insists that we need to celebrate it on the<br>
> midnight of March 6, when, in fact, it will be amavasya during the entire<br>
> night...<br>
><br>
> Thanks once again,<br>
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namaste,
> his logic is that we should use the tithi at sunrise because
> that is the time when we take the sankalpa for the fast!
Generally, the tithi at sunrise is followed when one does not know the
rule. In the
case of shivaratri, the rule I specified earlier is agreed upon by the
following texts.
The only difference is when the rule is satisfied two days in a row. I
have not come
across a text that gives sUryodaya as a criteria.
The texts that agree on the rule are:
vaidyanAtha-diikShitiiyam
parva-nirNayaH
vrata-rAjaH
kalpa-chintAmaNIH
bhavadIyaH,
ajit
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Chandra Prakash <vedicstudent@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Ajit,
>
> I am assuming your e-mail indicates that you believe Shivratri should be
> celebrated on March 5 (at least on the east coast). Now I just got off the
> phone with our temple priest and his logic is that we should use the tithi
> at sunrise because that is the time when we take the sankalpa for the fast!
> I have always felt that using the tithi prevailing at sunrise for the rest
> of the day till the next sunrise for our festivals must be due to some good
> reasons but no one has explained that me as yet!
>
> Clearly, this is something that we (as Hindus) need to resolve. But, I
> guess, unanimity on just about anything has never been one of the
> characteristics of our tradition...
>
> regards,
> Chandraprakash
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ajit Krishnan <ajit.krishnan@...>
> To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2008 8:15:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] MahaShivratri
>
>
>
> namaste,
>
> Shivaratri is "Phalguna Krishna Chaturdashi Nishita-vyapini"
>
> Divide the night (sunset to sunrise) into 5 parts. When chaturdasi
> prevails during the middle part (when midnight occurs), that is the
> night during which shivarati is to be observed. Many priests are
> simply following the dates used in India. So be it. Those who know the
> details can try to be more careful.
>
> Incidentally, it is not clearcut even in India. For example, some
> members have posted to other e-mail lists conveying that Sringeri is
> celebrating it on the 5th, as per the word of the pontiff there.
>
> Even in the US, festivals may occasionally vary by one day between the
> east & west coasts.
>
> bhavadIyaH,
>
> ajit
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Chandra Prakash <vedicstudent@ yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Narasimha,
> >
> > Thank you for your enlightening and inspiring posts.
> >
> > Could you please clarify when we are supposed to celebrate MahaShivratri
> > this year in America. I looked up in JHora and thought it was Wednesday,
> > March 5. Chaturdashi starts around 3 pm EST on March 5 and ends on
> Thursday,
> > March 6 around 2 pm EST. I assumed that you would fast and pray the night
> of
> > March 5 but our temple priests insists that we need to celebrate it on the
> > midnight of March 6, when, in fact, it will be amavasya during the entire
> > night...
> >
> > Thanks once again,
> > Chandraprakash
> >
>
>
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Dear Ajit,
Thank you for your responses. That certainly does clarify things for me (at least
some of them). I will celebrate Shivratri on March 5. You mention,
"Generally, the tithi at sunrise is followed when one does not know the rule.." Is
there any book/books that mention that or is it just tradition that may have been
started at a time when using watches were not the norm and it may simply have been
more convenient to follow the tithi prevailing at sunrise...
regards,
Chandraprakash
From: Ajit Krishnan <ajit.krishnan@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2008 9:09:25 PM
namaste,
> his logic is that we should use the tithi at sunrise because
> that is the time when we take the sankalpa for the fast!
Generally, the tithi at sunrise is followed when one does not know the
rule. In the
case of shivaratri, the rule I specified earlier is agreed upon by the
following texts.
The only difference is when the rule is satisfied two days in a row. I
have not come
across a text that gives sUryodaya as a criteria.
The texts that agree on the rule are:
vaidyanAtha- diikShitiiyam
parva-nirNayaH
vrata-rAjaH
kalpa-chintAmaNIH
bhavadIyaH,
ajit
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Chandra Prakash <vedicstudent@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Ajit,
>
> I am assuming your e-mail indicates that you believe Shivratri should be
> celebrated on March 5 (at least on the east coast). Now I just got off the
> phone with our temple priest and his logic is that we should use the tithi
> at sunrise because that is the time when we take the sankalpa for the fast!
> I have always felt that using the tithi prevailing at sunrise for the rest
> of the day till the next sunrise for our festivals must be due to some good
> reasons but no one has explained that me as yet!
>
> Clearly, this is something that we (as Hindus) need to resolve. But, I
> guess, unanimity on just about anything has never been one of the
> characteristics of our tradition...
>
> regards,
> Chandraprakash
>
>
>
> From: Ajit Krishnan <ajit.krishnan@ gmail.com>
> To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2008 8:15:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] MahaShivratri
>
>
>
> namaste,
>
> Shivaratri is "Phalguna Krishna Chaturdashi Nishita-vyapini"
>
> Divide the night (sunset to sunrise) into 5 parts. When chaturdasi
> prevails during the middle part (when midnight occurs), that is the
> night during which shivarati is to be observed. Many priests are
> simply following the dates used in India. So be it. Those who know the
> details can try to be more careful.
>
> Incidentally, it is not clearcut even in India. For example, some
> members have posted to other e-mail lists conveying that Sringeri is
> celebrating it on the 5th, as per the word of the pontiff there.
>
> Even in the US, festivals may occasionally vary by one day between the
> east & west coasts.
>
> bhavadIyaH,
>
> ajit
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Chandra Prakash <vedicstudent@ yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Narasimha,
> >
> > Thank you for your enlightening and inspiring posts.
> >
> > Could you please clarify when we are supposed to celebrate MahaShivratri
> > this year in America. I looked up in JHora and thought it was Wednesday,
> > March 5. Chaturdashi starts around 3 pm EST on March 5 and ends on
> Thursday,
> > March 6 around 2 pm EST. I assumed that you would fast and pray the night
> of
> > March 5 but our temple priests insists that we need to celebrate it on the
> > midnight of March 6, when, in fact, it will be amavasya during the entire
> > night...
> >
> > Thanks once again,
> > Chandraprakash
> >
>
>
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york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">Dear Ajit,<br><br>Thank you for your responses.
That certainly does clarify things for me (at least some of them). I will celebrate
Shivratri on March 5. You mention,<br> "Generally, the tithi at sunrise is followed
when one does not know the rule.." Is there any book/books that mention that or is
it just tradition that may have been started at a time when using watches were not
the norm and it may simply have been more convenient to follow the tithi prevailing
at sunrise...<br><br>regards,<br>Chandraprakash<br><div style="border-left: 2px
<br>From:
Ajit Krishnan <ajit.krishnan@...><br>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<br>Sent:
Tuesday, March 4, 2008 9:09:25 PM<br>Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom]
MahaShivratri<br><br>
<p>namaste,<br>
<br>
> his logic is that we should use the tithi at sunrise because<br>
> that is the time when we take the sankalpa for the fast!<br>
<br>
Generally, the tithi at sunrise is followed when one does not know the<br>
rule. In the<br>
case of shivaratri, the rule I specified earlier is agreed upon by the<br>
following texts.<br>
The only difference is when the rule is satisfied two days in a row. I<br>
have not come<br>
across a text that gives sUryodaya as a criteria.<br>
<br>
The texts that agree on the rule are:<br>
<br>
vaidyanAtha- diikShitiiyam<br>
parva-nirNayaH<br>
vrata-rAjaH<br>
kalpa-chintAmaNIH<br>
<br>
bhavadIyaH,<br>
<br>
ajit<br>
<br>
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Chandra Prakash <<a rel="nofollow"
ymailto="mailto:vedicstudent%40yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vedicstudent
%40yahoo.com">vedicstudent@ yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Dear Ajit,<br>
><br>
> I am assuming your e-mail indicates that you believe Shivratri should be<br>
> celebrated on March 5 (at least on the east coast). Now I just got off the<br>
> phone with our temple priest and his logic is that we should use the tithi<br>
> at sunrise because that is the time when we take the sankalpa for the fast!<br>
> I have always felt that using the tithi prevailing at sunrise for the rest<br>
> of the day till the next sunrise for our festivals must be due to some good<br>
> reasons but no one has explained that me as yet!<br>
><br>
> Clearly, this is something that we (as Hindus) need to resolve. But, I<br>
> guess, unanimity on just about anything has never been one of the<br>
> characteristics of our tradition...<br>
><br>
> regards,<br>
> Chandraprakash<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ----- Original Message ----<br>
> From: Ajit Krishnan <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ajit.krishnan%40gmail.com"
target="_blank" href="mailto:ajit.krishnan%40gmail.com">ajit.krishnan@
gmail.com</a>><br>
> To: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com"
target="_blank" href="mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@
yahoogroups. com</a><br>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2008 8:15:46 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] MahaShivratri<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> namaste,<br>
><br>
> Shivaratri is "Phalguna Krishna Chaturdashi Nishita-vyapini"<br>
><br>
> Divide the night (sunset to sunrise) into 5 parts. When chaturdasi<br>
> prevails during the middle part (when midnight occurs), that is the<br>
> night during which shivarati is to be observed. Many priests are<br>
> simply following the dates used in India. So be it. Those who know the<br>
> details can try to be more careful.<br>
><br>
> Incidentally, it is not clearcut even in India. For example, some<br>
> members have posted to other e-mail lists conveying that Sringeri is<br>
> celebrating it on the 5th, as per the word of the pontiff there.<br>
><br>
> Even in the US, festivals may occasionally vary by one day between the<br>
> east & west coasts.<br>
><br>
> bhavadIyaH,<br>
><br>
> ajit<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Chandra Prakash <vedicstudent@ <a target="_blank"
href="http://yahoo.com">yahoo.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Dear Narasimha,<br>
> ><br>
> > Thank you for your enlightening and inspiring posts.<br>
> ><br>
> > Could you please clarify when we are supposed to celebrate MahaShivratri<br>
> > this year in America. I looked up in JHora and thought it was Wednesday,<br>
> > March 5. Chaturdashi starts around 3 pm EST on March 5 and ends on<br>
> Thursday,<br>
> > March 6 around 2 pm EST. I assumed that you would fast and pray the night<br>
> of<br>
> > March 5 but our temple priests insists that we need to celebrate it on the<br>
> > midnight of March 6, when, in fact, it will be amavasya during the entire<br>
> > night...<br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks once again,<br>
> > Chandraprakash<br>
> ><br>
><br>
><br>
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Namaste,
As Ajit Krishnan has clarified correctly, Maha Shivaratri is to be observed on the

night of March 5 (Wednesday - today) in the entire north America.
Some temples in USA are observing it on Thursday night, but there ARE some temples
that are observing it correctly on Wednesday.
Happy Maha Shivaratri to all of you!

Best regards,
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>
>
> Could you please clarify when we are supposed to celebrate MahaShivratri this
year in America. I looked up in JHora and thought it was Wednesday, March 5.
Chaturdashi starts around 3 pm EST on March 5 and ends on Thursday, March 6 around
2 pm EST. I assumed that you would fast and pray the night of March 5 but our
temple priests insists that we need to celebrate it on the midnight of March 6,
when, in fact, it will be amavasya during the entire night...
>
> Chandraprakash
>
>
>
>
>
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Dear Sri Narasimha P.V.R Rao Ji,
Namaskar.
Thanks for Ajit=
Krishna Ji's information and your clarrification. At
the same time kindly=
permit me to put forward my request regarding
such holy events. If it is =
possible to include people living in
India also for such advice it will be=
of great help to us all to
celebrate the events correctly. Because here a=
lso we have such
discrepancy in day.
As Krishna Ji has mentioned earlier, =
if the middle part of the tithi
does not synchronize with midnight of the =
day, then how to celebrate
the event correctly.
With respects.
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erely,
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a PVR Rao <pvr@...>
wrote:
>
> Namaste,
>
> As Ajit Krishnan has clarifi=
ed correctly, Maha Shivaratri is to be
observed on the night of March 5 (W=
ednesday - today) in the entire
north America.
>
> Some temples in USA a=
re observing it on Thursday night, but there
ARE some temples that are obs=
erving it correctly on Wednesday.
>
> Happy Maha Shivaratri to all of you=
!
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
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> >
> > Thank you for your en=
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> >
> > Could you please clarify when we =
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MahaShivratri this year in America. I looked up =
in JHora and thought
it was Wednesday, March 5. Chaturdashi starts around =
3 pm EST on
March 5 and ends on Thursday, March 6 around 2 pm EST. I assum=
ed
that you would fast and pray the night of March 5 but our temple
pries=
ts insists that we need to celebrate it on the midnight of
March 6, when, =
in fact, it will be amavasya during the entire
night...
> >
> > Thanks on=
ce again,
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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Namaste learned friends,
Thank you for sharing this with us. This informa=

tion is very valuable.
I want to make a critical comment on an astrologic=

al factor mentioned below. Please forgive me if this is out of line.
> It=
is even more interesting that this Ashtami falls on the star
> Swati. The =
ruling planet of the stars Tiruvadirai, Swati and
> Sadayam is Rahu. The Go=
ddess who rules over Rahu is the
> all-powerful Goddess Durga Parameswari.
=
It is simplistic to use planetary associations of nakshatras like this. T=

hough a lot of people say things like this, such thinking is incorrect and =
relatively modern. Rahu owns Swathi only as per the Vimsottari dasa scheme.=
Maharshi Parasara taught tens of dasa schemes, though people ignore all th=
ose now. For example, the ruling planet of Swathi nakshatra is Mars as per =
Ashtottari dasa, Venus as per Shodasottari dasa, Sun as per Yogini dasa, Me=
rcury as per Shat-trimsa sama dasa, Sun as per Chaturaseeti sama dasa, Moon=
as per Sataabdika dasa and so on. Then why take Rahu only?
Ruling planet=
s of nakshatras based on specific dasa schemes like Vimsottari are not of m=
uch importance. Ruling deities of nakshatras taught by rishis in nakshatra =
sooktam are far more important.
For example, Sravana nakshatra is conside=

red auspicious for Vishnu pooja. It is not because Moon is the ruling plane=
t of Sravanam. It is because Vishnu is the ruling deity of Sravanam as per =
nakshatra sooktam. Suryopanishat says "yo hastaaditye japati sa mahaamrityu=
m tarati" (whoever chants this when Sun is in Hasta nakshatra crosses death=
). As per Vimsottari ruling planets, Hasta is owned by Moon. However, that =
is immaterial. The actual reason is that Hasta is ruled by Savita (a form o=
f Sun) as per nakshatra sooktam. That is why it is important for Sun's wors=
hip. Though the ruling planet of both Asresha and Revati is Mercury, the fo=
rmer is considered very inauspicious for most activities and the latter is =
auspicious. It is because its ruling deity of the former is Sarpa (snake) a=
nd the latter is Pooshan as per nakshatra sooktam.
We should get out of t=

he habit of paying attention to the Vimsottari dasa ruling planets of naksh=
atras and instead pay attention to the nakshatra sookta ruling deities. The=
former is of no significance.
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------------=
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Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.c=
om/group/vedic-wisdom
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mcast.net
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ri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
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----- Original Me=

ssage -----
From: Saravanan Balaraman
To: sivacharya@yahoogroups.com =
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 10:29 AM
Subject: [sivacharya] Vrata Da=
ys and Phalas - English Translation
Namaskar.
This is the =
English translation of Weekly Vrata Days/Phalas by Shri Shanmukha Sivachary=
ar on Sun TV every Sunday. Shri Deepa has taken lots of pains to make this =
available for us. Also we will be attaching this as a word document in our =
files section.
Vanakkam
Saravanan
28 Jan 2008, Monday. Krishna Pak=

sha Shashti Vratam
This day falls on the 14th day of the Tamil month T=

hai, on a Monday. On this day, one must observe the Krishna Paksha Shashti =
Vratam. As we've seen already, Krishna Paksha is the waning fortnight. Sha=
shti means the sixth day.
Monday, called Soma vaara, is significant be=

cause it is a day when the all-powerful Lord Shiva is one with his Shakti U=
ma. It is "Sa + Uma" vaara, hence Soma Vaara.
If you remember, we alr=

eady realized that out of the six faces of Lord Muruga, five faces are Lord=
Shiva's and one face is the face of Ambal. He thus signifies the union of =
Shiva and Shakti.
Thus, the day of Lord Muruga on Shashti, coinciding =

with a Soma Vaara is especially auspicious.
They say, "Sattiyil irundh=

aal thaan agappaiyil varum" - It actually means that if one observes the vr=
atam on Shashti, the Grace of Lord Muruga will bless her with progeny. We a=
lso believe that a family gets every prosperity and Sowbhagya by worshippin=
g Lord Muruga.
30 Jan 2008, Wednesday. Ashtami Vratam

This day=
falls on the 16th day of the Tamil month Thai, on a Wednesday. On this day=
, one must observe the Ashtami Vratam. We saw earlier that Ashtami means t=
he eighth day. This day is especially auspicious for the propitiation of Go=
ddess Durga, Lord Muruga and Lord Bhairava. Also, Ashtami and Chaturdashi t=
ithis are said to be the best days for the performance of abhisheka to Lord=
Shiva.
It is even more interesting that this Ashtami falls on the sta=

r Swati. The ruling planet of the stars Tiruvadirai, Swati and Sadayam is R=
ahu. The Goddess who rules over Rahu is the all-powerful Goddess Durga Para=
meswari. One must make an effort to visit any neighbouring temple and offer=
prayers to Goddess Durga on this doubly significant day.
`Durgam' me=
ans grief or kashtam. By propitiating Goddess Durga Parameswari, it is our =
belief that we will be freed from all misery and grief, and be blessed with=
every prosperity and happiness.
02 Feb 2008, Saturday. Sa=

rva Ekadashi
This day falls on the 19th day of the Tamil month Thai, o=
n a Wednesday. On this day, one must observe the Sarva Ekadashi Vratam. It=
is significant that this Ekadashi falls on a Saturday. This Ekadashi is ca=
lled Saphala Ekadashi. What does `Saphala' mean? `Phala' means fruit - ever=
y action that we do is directed towards achieving an objective. The shastra=
s say, "Nakuryaat nishphalam karma," which means, do not do that action tha=
t does not result in any fruit.
Yes, Lord Krishna says, do not èxpec=

t' the fruits of your action. This is different from the action not resulti=
ng in any fruit at all. The shastra here says that every action should be p=
erformed in order to achieve some end result, which is the phalam or fruit =
of that action. Lord Krishna says we must not claim ownership of this actio=
n.
For e.g., gossiping about someone unnecessarily, banging the table=
without purpose, sitting idly, etc. are actions that are fruitless. If you=
entrust an activity with someone, and he does not do justice to it, will y=
ou trust him again with the same activity? No. Similarly, the time on eart=
h has been given to us for a reason. The Lord has blessed us with this life=
so we may lead a rich and fulfilling life and we must do justice to this t=
ime given to us.
The Saphala Ekadashi bestows upon us all the fruits r=

equired to lead a fulfilling life. Since it also falls on a Saturday, which=
we have seen is the Stithikarakan and the day of Lord Vishnu, the very Lor=
d whom we pray to on this day, it is our belief that He will grant every bl=
essing required for our lives on this day.
04 Feb 20=
08, Monday. Soma Maha Pradosham
This day falls on the 21st day of the =

Tamil month Thai, on a Monday. On this day, one must observe the Soma Maha =
Pradosha Vratam. Pradosha, as seen earlier, is "Pra + dosha" - a time when=
even the most wicked evil can be removed. This is even more powerful as it=
falls on a Monday.
This is called Yogam. A zero next to one, makes i=

t ten. If you add another zero next to it, it now becomes hundred. Things g=
et value by what they are associated with. Similarly, when pradosham is ass=
ociated with a Monday, it becomes even more significant.
Shivam itsel=
f means mangalam, all goodness personified. It is our belief that we will a=
ttain every kind of mangalam in our lives, by offering prayers at a neighbo=
uring Shiva temple on this day.
06 Feb 2008, Wednesday. Thai Amavasya=
, Sravana Vratam
This day falls on the 23rd day of the Tamil month Tha=
i, on a Wednesday. On this day, one must observe the Thai Amavasya Vratam. =
"Vratam" means to control. It is something that disciplines us. Why is it =
significant on an Amavasya? Amavasya is a day for our Pitru - ancestors. Wh=
ether one worships the Lord or visits the temples, it does not matter - one=
must worship one's parents while they are alive.
What does worship m=

ean? Making them sit and offering flowers? No, that's not the only meaning =
of worship. It also means to care for them in the best possible way. But fo=
r them, we wouldn't be here - be it a millionaire or a pauper, we all need =
parents to enter this world. Our parents are verily, the Lord Incarnate. Th=
e Vedas say, "Matru Devo Bhava; Pitru Devo Bhava." It exhorts us to see our=
mother and our father as the very God in flesh and blood. This is echoed b=
y the Tamil saying we are all familiar with since childhood, "Annaiyum Pit=
havum Munnari Deivam." Our parents are the first Gods we are aware of.
=
So we must take good care of them while they are alive.
Then, when t=
hey pass away, they are given this posting called "Pitru" or ancestors. Am=
avasya is the day when we can worship these ancestors. It is absolutely ess=
ential to offer this worship according to each one's customs. Some people o=
ffer `tarpana' on this tithi. Some people offer Ànnam Padayal,' offering o=
f food in front of the pictures of the ancestors and then offering it to ot=
hers. One must follow whichever custom one is familiar with but observe the=
Amavasya Vratam in order that our own progeny may lead a prosperous and ha=
ppy life.
The other significant thing about this day is that it is als=

o the day of Sravana Vratam. It falls on the Druva star, and worshipping th=
e Lord Vishnu on this day is sure to grant us every prosperity.
08 Feb=
2008, Friday. Chandra Darshanam
This day falls on the 25th day of the=

Tamil month Thai, on a Friday. On this day, one must have a darshan of Cha=
ndra, or the Moon. The Moon, who is Soma Deva, carries several names, such=
as "Pirai," "Chandran", "Nishakaran" and so on. His house of Kataka is the=
House of the Mother. He is called Matru karakan and Buddhi karakan. If our=
mind is to work properly, we need the grace of Lord Chandra. Fickle-minded=
ness is the main reason why we are sometimes unable to accomplish what we s=
et out to do. It is a disease of the mind - a lack of clarity and focus. Fo=
r e.g., one may set out to wear a yellow shirt, then may think that the red=
shirt would look better and pick up the red shirt, change his mind and wea=
r a black shirt and continue to wonder if he should probably have worn a wh=
ite shirt. Look at the lack of clarity in his mind. If this is the state of=
the mind, one cannot succeed in any profession. It could be temple worship=
, or computers, or driving - we must first make up our mind - and then set =
out to do that. If your destination is Kumbakonam, you must not keep changi=
ng track on the way - else, you'll reach nowhere.
Who grants us this =

clarity of mind? It is the Lord Chandra. We can get his grace by observing =
the Chandra Vratam. It is one of the easiest of Vratams to observe. Anyone =
can look up and see the moon. You don't have to go to a temple and stand in=
a queue for darshan, you don't have to alter your daily schedule and do an=
ything extra, you can even work a night shift - all you have to do is proba=
bly walk upto the terrace, see the moon and chant "Om Chandraya Namah." It =
is our belief that the Lord Chandra will bless us with sharpness of the min=
d, and clarity.
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information is=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT>=
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I want to make a critical comment o=
n an
astrological factor mentioned below. Please forgive me if this is out=
of
line.</FONT></DIV>
>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>> <SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10=
pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'">It is even more
interesting that this A=
shtami falls on the star</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FON=
T-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'"><FONT
face=3DArial>> Swati=
. The ruling planet of the stars Tiruvadirai, Swati
and</FONT></SPAN></DIV=
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<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Ce=
ntury Gothic'"><FONT
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ari.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DI=
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It is simplistic to use planetary assoc=
iations of
nakshatras like this. Though a lot of people say things like th=
is, such thinking
is incorrect and relatively modern. Rahu owns Swathi onl=
y as per the Vimsottari
dasa scheme. Maharshi Parasara taught tens of dasa=
schemes, though people ignore
all those now. </FONT><FONT face=3DArial si=
ze=3D2>For example, the ruling planet of
Swathi nakshatra is Mars as =
per Ashtottari dasa, Venus as per Shodasottari
dasa, Sun as per Yogini das=
a, Mercury as per Shat-trimsa sama dasa, Sun as per
Chaturaseeti sama dasa=
, Moon as per Sataabdika dasa and so on. Then why take
Rahu only?</FONT></=
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>Ruling planets of nakshatras based on specific dasa
sche=
mes like Vimsottari are not of much importance. Ruling deities of nakshatra=
s
taught by rishis in nakshatra sooktam are far more important.</FONT></DI=
V>
rial size=3D2>For example, Sravana nakshatra is considered
auspicious for =
Vishnu pooja. It is not because Moon is the ruling planet of
Sravanam. It =
is because Vishnu is the ruling deity of Sravanam as per nakshatra
sooktam=
. Suryopanishat says "yo hastaaditye japati sa mahaamrityum tarati"
(whoev=
er chants this when Sun is in Hasta nakshatra crosses death). As per
Vimso=
ttari ruling planets, Hasta is owned by Moon. However, that is immaterial. =
The actual reason is that Hasta is ruled by Savita (a form of Sun) as per =
nakshatra sooktam. That is why it is important for Sun's worship. Though t=

he
ruling planet of both Asresha and Revati is Mercury, the former is=
considered very inauspicious for most activities and the latter is auspic=
ious.
It is because its ruling deity of the former is Sarpa (snake) and th=
e latter is
Pooshan as per nakshatra sooktam.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We s=
hould get out of the habit of paying attention
to the Vimsottari dasa ruli=
ng planets of nakshatras and instead pay attention to
the nakshatra sookta=
ruling deities. The former is of no
significance.</FONT></DIV>
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<P>Namaskar.</P>
<P> &=
nbsp; This is the English
translation of Weekly Vrata Days/Phalas =
by Shri Shanmukha Sivacharyar on Sun
TV every Sunday. Shri Deepa has tak=
en lots of pains to make this available for
us. Also we will be attachin=
g this as a word document in our files
section.</P>
<P>Vanakkam<BR>Sarav=
anan<BR></P>
<P class=3DMsoTitle><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-=
FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'"><STRONG><FONT
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #0000=
00"><FONT color=3D#ffffbf><FONT
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #000000">28</=
FONT> Jan 2008, Monday.
<ST1>Krishna</ST1> Paksha Shashti
Vratam<O></=
O></FONT></FONT></STRONG></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><O><FONT face=
=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3></FONT></O></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'">This day falls =

on the
14<SUP>th</SUP> day of the Tamil month Thai, on a Monday. On this=
day, one
must observe the Krishna Paksha Shashti Vratam. As we've seen =
already, Krishna
Paksha is the waning fortnight.<SPAN> </SPAN>Shas=
hti means the sixth
day.<O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'"><O></O></SPAN><=

/P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
'Century Gothic'">Monday, called Soma
vaara, is significant because it i=
s a day when the all-powerful Lord Shiva is
one with his Shakti Uma. It =
is "Sa + Uma" vaara, hence Soma Vaara.
<O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DM=
soNormal><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'">=
<O></O></SPAN></P>
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt=
; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'">If you remember, we
already realized th=
at out of the six faces of Lord Muruga, five faces are Lord
Shiva's and =
one face is the face of Ambal. He thus signifies the union of
Shiva and =
Shakti.<O></O></SPAN></P>
style=3D"FONT-SIZ=
E: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'"><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMso=
Normal><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'">Th=
us, the day of Lord
Muruga on Shashti, coinciding with a Soma Vaara is e=
specially
auspicious.<O></O></SPAN></P>
=
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'"><O></O></SPAN></P>=
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Ce=
ntury Gothic'">They say, "Sattiyil
irundhaal thaan agappaiyil varum" =96=
It actually means that if one observes the
vratam on Shashti, the Grace=
of Lord Muruga will bless her with progeny. We
also believe that a fami=
ly gets every prosperity and Sowbhagya by worshipping
Lord Muruga. <O></=
O></SPAN></P>
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'"><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'"><O></O></SPAN>=

</P>
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
'Century Gothic'"><STRONG><FONT
color=3D#407f00><FONT style=3D"BACKGROUN=
D-COLOR: #ffffbf">30 Jan 2008, Wednesday.
Ashtami Vratam<O></O></FONT></=
FONT></STRONG></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><O><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2></FONT></O></P>
pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'">This day falls on the
16<SUP>th</SUP>=
day of the Tamil month Thai, on a Wednesday. On this day, one
must obse=
rve the Ashtami Vratam.<SPAN> </SPAN>We saw earlier that
Ashtami m=
eans the eighth day. This day is especially auspicious for the
propitiat=
ion of Goddess Durga, Lord Muruga and Lord Bhairava. Also, Ashtami
and C=
haturdashi tithis are said to be the best days for the performance of
ab=
hisheka to Lord Shiva.<O></O></SPAN></P>
st=
yle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'"><O></O></SPAN></P>
=
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Cent=
ury Gothic'">It is even more
interesting that this Ashtami falls on the =
star Swati. The ruling planet of
the stars Tiruvadirai, Swati and Sadaya=
m is Rahu. The Goddess who rules over
Rahu is the all-powerful Goddess D=
urga Parameswari. One must make an effort to
visit any neighbouring temp=
le and offer prayers to Goddess Durga on this
doubly significant day. <O=
></O></SPAN></P>
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'"><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><S=
PAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'">`Durgam' me=
ans grief or
kashtam. By propitiating Goddess Durga Parameswari, it is o=
ur belief that we
will be freed from all misery and grief, and be blesse=
d with every prosperity
and happiness.<O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMs=
oNormal><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'"><=
O></O></SPAN></P>
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt;=
<P class=3DMsoNormal><=
SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'"><O></O></S=
PAN></P>
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAM=
ILY: 'Century Gothic'"><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=
10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'"><BR
clear=3Dall></SPAN></B> <=
/P>
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: '=
Century Gothic'"><STRONG><FONT
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #0000ff">02 Fe=
b 2008, Saturday. Sarva
Ekadashi<O></O></FONT></STRONG></SPAN></P>
<P =
class=3DMsoNormal><O><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></O></P>
<P class=
=3DMsoNormal><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothi=
c'">This day falls on the
19<SUP>th</SUP> day of the Tamil month Thai, o=
n a Wednesday. On this day, one
must observe the Sarva Ekadashi Vratam.<=
SPAN> </SPAN>It is significant
that this Ekadashi falls on a Satur=
day. This Ekadashi is called Saphala
Ekadashi. What does `Saphala' mean?=
`Phala' means fruit =96 every action that we
do is directed towards ach=
ieving an objective. The shastras say, "Nakuryaat
nishphalam karma," whi=
ch means, do not do that action that does not result in
any fruit. <O></=
O></SPAN></P>
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'"><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'">Yes, Lord Kris=

hna says,
do not èxpect' the fruits of your action. This is different f=
rom the action
not resulting in any fruit at all. The shastra here says =
that every action
should be performed in order to achieve some end resul=
t, which is the phalam
or fruit of that action. Lord Krishna says we mus=
t not claim ownership of this
action. <O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMs=
oNormal><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'"><=
O></O></SPAN></P>
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt;=
FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'">For e.g., gossiping
about someone unnece=
ssarily, banging the table without purpose, sitting idly,
etc. are actio=
ns that are fruitless. If you entrust an activity with someone,
and he d=
oes not do justice to it, will you trust him again with the same
activit=
y?<SPAN> </SPAN>No. Similarly, the time on earth has been given
to=
us for a reason. The Lord has blessed us with this life so we may lead a
=
rich and fulfilling life and we must do justice to this time given to
=
us.<O></O></SPAN></P>
0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'"><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNorm=
al><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'">The Sa=
phala Ekadashi
bestows upon us all the fruits required to lead a fulfill=
ing life. Since it
also falls on a Saturday, which we have seen is the S=
tithikarakan and the day
of Lord Vishnu, the very Lord whom we pray to o=
n this day, it is our belief
that He will grant every blessing required =
for our lives on this
day.<SPAN> </SPAN><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Go=
thic'"><O></O></SPAN></P>
style=3D"FONT-SIZ=
E: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'"><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMso=
Normal><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'"><O=
></O></SPAN></P>
PAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'"><O></O></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><O><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><=
/FONT></O></P>
<P><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times =
New Roman'"><BR
clear=3Dall></SPAN></B> </P>
<P class=3DMsoTitle>=
<SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'"><STRONG><=
FONT
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #000000"><FONT color=3D#ffffbf>04 Feb 20=
08, Monday.
Soma Maha Pradosham<O></O></FONT></FONT></STRONG></SPAN></P>=
<P class=3DMsoNormal><O><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3></FONT><=

/O></P>
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: 'Century Gothic'">This day falls on the
21<SUP>st</SUP> day of the T=
amil month Thai, on a Monday. On this day, one
must observe the Soma Mah=
a Pradosha Vratam.<SPAN> </SPAN>Pradosha, as
seen earlier, is "Pra=
+ dosha" =96 a time when even the most wicked evil can be
removed. This=
is even more powerful as it falls on a Monday.
<O></O></SPAN></P>
<P cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Go=
thic'"><O></O></SPAN></P>
style=3D"FONT-SIZ=
E: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'">This is called Yogam. A
zero nex=
t to one, makes it ten. If you add another zero next to it, it now
becom=
es hundred. Things get value by what they are associated with. Similarly,
=
when pradosham is associated with a Monday, it becomes even more signific=
ant.
<O></O></SPAN></P>
style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'"><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMs=
oNormal><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'">S=
hivam itself means
mangalam, all goodness personified. It is our belief =
that we will attain every
kind of mangalam in our lives, by offering pra=
yers at a neighbouring Shiva
temple on this day. <O></O></SPAN></P>
<P=
class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century=
Gothic'"><O></O></SPAN></P>
style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'"><STRONG><FONT
style=3D"BACKGRO=
UND-COLOR: #ffffbf"><FONT color=3D#407f00>06 Feb 2008, Wednesday.
Thai A=
mavasya, Sravana Vratam<O></O></FONT></FONT></STRONG></SPAN></P>
<P class=
=3DMsoNormal><O><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></O></P>
<P class=3DMs=
oNormal><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'">T=
his day falls on the
23<SUP>rd</SUP> day of the Tamil month Thai, on a W=
ednesday. On this day, one
must observe the Thai Amavasya Vratam.<SPAN>&=
nbsp; </SPAN>"Vratam" means to
control. It is something that disciplines=
us. Why is it significant on an
Amavasya? Amavasya is a day for our Pit=
ru =96 ancestors. Whether one worships
the Lord or visits the temples, i=
t does not matter =96 one must worship one's
parents while they are aliv=
e. <O></O></SPAN></P>
0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'"><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNorm=
al><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'">What d=
oes worship mean?
Making them sit and offering flowers? No, that's not t=
he only meaning of
worship. It also means to care for them in the best p=
ossible way. But for
them, we wouldn't be here =96 be it a millionaire o=
r a pauper, we all need
parents to enter this world. Our parents are ver=
ily, the Lord Incarnate. The
Vedas say, "Matru Devo Bhava; Pitru Devo Bh=
ava." It exhorts us to see our
mother and our father as the very God in =
flesh and blood. This is echoed by
the Tamil saying we are all familiar =
with since childhood,<SPAN>
</SPAN>"Annaiyum Pithavum Munnari Deiv=
am."<SPAN> </SPAN>Our parents are
the first Gods we are aware of. =
<O></O></SPAN></P>
; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'">So we must take good
care of them while=
they are alive. <O></O></SPAN></P>
style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'"><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P=
class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century=
Gothic'">Then, when they pass
away, they are given this posting called =
"Pitru" or ancestors.<SPAN>
</SPAN>Amavasya is the day when we can=
worship these ancestors. It is
absolutely essential to offer this worsh=
ip according to each one's customs.
Some people offer `tarpana' on this =
tithi. Some people offer Ànnam Padayal,'
offering of food in front of t=
he pictures of the ancestors and then offering
it to others. One must fo=
llow whichever custom one is familiar with but
observe the Amavasya Vrat=
am in order that our own progeny may lead a
prosperous and happy life.<O=
></O></SPAN></P>
PAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'">The other s=
ignificant
thing about this day is that it is also the day of Sravana Vr=
atam. It falls on
the Druva star, and worshipping the Lord Vishnu on thi=
s day is sure to grant
us every prosperity.<O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=
=3DMsoNormal><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothi=
c'"><O></O></SPAN></P>
0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'"><STRONG><FONT
style=3D"BACKGROUND-CO=
LOR: #a2a2a2"><FONT color=3D#ffffbf>08 Feb 2008, Friday.
Chandra Darshan=
am<O></O></FONT></FONT></STRONG></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><O><FONT=
face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></O></P>
styl=
e=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'">This day falls on the =
25<SUP>th</SUP> day of the Tamil month Thai, on a Friday. On this day, o=
ne
must have a darshan of Chandra, or the Moon.<SPAN> </SPAN>The M=
oon, who
is Soma Deva, carries several names, such as "Pirai," "Chandran=
", "Nishakaran"
and so on. His house of Kataka is the House of the Mothe=
r. He is called Matru
karakan and Buddhi karakan. If our mind is to work=
properly, we need the grace
of Lord Chandra. Fickle-mindedness is the m=
ain reason why we are sometimes
unable to accomplish what we set out to =
do. It is a disease of the mind =96 a
lack of clarity and focus. For e.g=
., one may set out to wear a yellow shirt,
then may think that the red s=
hirt would look better and pick up the red shirt,
change his mind and we=
ar a black shirt and continue to wonder if he should
probably have worn =
a white shirt. Look at the lack of clarity in his mind. If
this is the s=
tate of the mind, one cannot succeed in any profession. It could
be temp=
le worship, or computers, or driving =96 we must first make up our mind =96=
and then set out to do that. If your destination is Kumbakonam, you mus=
t not
keep changing track on the way =96 else, you'll reach nowhere.
<O=
></O></SPAN></P>
PAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'">Who grants =
us this
clarity of mind? It is the Lord Chandra. We can get his grace by=
observing the
Chandra Vratam. It is one of the easiest of Vratams to ob=
serve. Anyone can
look up and see the moon. You don't have to go to a te=
mple and stand in a
queue for darshan, you don't have to alter your dail=
y schedule and do anything
extra, you can even work a night shift =96 al=
l you have to do is probably walk
upto the terrace, see the moon and cha=
nt "Om Chandraya Namah." It is our
belief that the Lord Chandra will ble=
ss us with sharpness of the mind, and
clarity. <O></O></SPAN></P></BLOCK=
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Dear Narasimha,
Thanks to you and Ajit for the clarifications. I had sent an e-mail yesterday about
a related topic yesterday but it has not been posted as yet, so I am resending it.
As I was watching the Shiva Abhishekam at the temple with milk, curd, ghee etc. an
issue came up and I would appreciate your opinion/thoughts on it.
Use of dairy products (milk, curd, ghee) is extolled in our tradition and is
encouraged as part of a saatwik lifestyle. However, in this Kali yuga, the reality
is that the cows that provide these dairy products for our consumption and use in
religious rituals, suffer terribly throughout their life and meet a painful end.
This is specially true in large dairy operations in America but I suspect it would
be true elsewhere too.
So, how do you reconcile the religious beliefs/doctrine and the reality of today's
life, with respect to using diary products.
I am providing a link to a website that was sent to me by a friend. Note: The

documentaries on the website, specially "Earthlings" are quite graphic and may not
be for everyone but they do depict a reality that is going on these days.
http://veg-tv.info/Main_Page
warm regards,
Chandraprakash

Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2008 8:39:49 AM
Namaste,
As Ajit Krishnan has clarified correctly, Maha Shivaratri is to be observed on the

night of March 5 (Wednesday - today) in the entire north America.
Some temples in USA are observing it on Thursday night, but there ARE some temples
that are observing it correctly on Wednesday.
Happy Maha Shivaratri to all of you!
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------
---- Chandra Prakash <vedicstudent@...> wrote:

> Dear Narasimha,
>
>
> Could you please clarify when we are supposed to celebrate MahaShivratri this
year in America. I looked up in JHora and thought it was Wednesday, March 5.
Chaturdashi starts around 3 pm EST on March 5 and ends on Thursday, March 6 around
2 pm EST. I assumed that you would fast and pray the night of March 5 but our
temple priests insists that we need to celebrate it on the midnight of March 6,
when, in fact, it will be amavasya during the entire night...
>
> Chandraprakash
>
>
>
>
>
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york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">Dear Narasimha,<br><br>Thanks to you and Ajit
for the clarifications. I had sent an e-mail yesterday about a related topic
yesterday but it has not been posted as yet, so I am resending it.<br><br>As I was
watching the Shiva Abhishekam at the temple with milk, curd, ghee etc. an issue
came up and I would appreciate your opinion/thoughts on it.<br><br>Use of dairy
products (milk, curd, ghee) is extolled in our tradition and is encouraged as part
of a saatwik lifestyle. However, in this Kali yuga, the reality is that the cows
that provide these dairy products for our consumption and use in religious rituals,
suffer terribly throughout their life and meet a painful end. This is specially
true in large dairy operations
in America but I suspect it would be true elsewhere too.<br><br>So, how do you
reconcile the religious beliefs/doctrine and the reality of today's life, with
respect to using diary products.<br><br>I am providing a link to a website that was
sent to me by a friend. Note: The documentaries on the website, specially
"Earthlings" are quite graphic and may not be for everyone but they do depict a
reality that is going on these days. <br><br><span><a target="_blank"
href="http://veg-tv.info/Main_Page">http://veg-tv.info/Main_Page</a></
span><br><br>warm regards,<br>Chandraprakash<br><br><div style="font-family: times
new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----
<br>From: Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@...><br>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<br>Cc:
Chandra Prakash <vedicstudent@...><br>Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2008 8:39:49
AM<br>Subject: Re: MahaShivratri<br><br>
Namaste,<br> <br>As
Ajit
Krishnan
has
clarified
correctly,
Maha
Shivaratri
is
to
be
observed
on
the
night
of
March
5
(Wednesday
-
today)
in
the
entire
north
America.<br> <br>Some
temples
in
USA
are
observing
it
on
Thursday
night,
but
there
ARE
some
temples
that
are
observing
it
correctly
on
Wednesday.<br> <br>Happy
Maha
Shivaratri
to
all
of
you!<br> <br>Best
regards,<br>Narasimha<br>----------------------------------------------------------
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href="mailto:vedicstudent@...">vedicstudent@...</a>>
wrote: <br>>
Dear
Narasimha,<br>> <br>>
Thank
you
for
your
enlightening
and
inspiring
posts. <br>> <br>>
Could
you
please
clarify
when
we
are
supposed
to
celebrate
MahaShivratri
this
year
in
America.
I
looked
up
in
JHora
and
thought
it
was
Wednesday,
March
5.
Chaturdashi
starts
around
3
pm
EST
on
March
5
and
ends
on
Thursday,
March
6
around
2
pm
EST.
I
assumed
that
you
would
fast
and
pray
the
night
of
March
5
but
our
temple
priests
insists
that
we
need
to
celebrate
it
on
the
midnight
of
March
6,
when,
in
fact,
it
will
be
amavasya
during
the
entire
night...<br>> <br>>
Thanks
once
again,<br>>
Chandraprakash<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>>

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Dear Chandraprakash,
You ask a very poignant question. I will share my th=

oughts.
The goodness of milk is not just a religious belief. It is a fact=

you can verify for yourself.
Physically speaking, milk is a great source=

of protein that is easy to digest. A diet comprising only of fruits and mi=
lk gives all the nutrition needed by one and keeps one very calm and relaxe=
d. Normal food
Fruits and milk are a very saattwik food. The plant givin=
g fruits may feel some pain because of wind and other weather factors. Even=
when the fruit is cut off, the planet may feel pain. Still, the emotions o=
f a plant are far more subtle than those of a human being. The gunas that g=
et into the fruits from the plant are far subtler than the gunas that get i=
nto food cooked by a human being. The emotions of a cow are denser than a p=
lant's, but subtler than a human being's.
Milk given by a humanely treate=

d cow is definitely superior, but even otherwise milk is superior to a lot =
of substances.
Pain and suffering from inhumane treatment is one thing an=

d what they feed is another. A being with a subtle mind can tolerate pain m=
ore than others and the mind reacts to pain differently. But the food goes =
the core of one's being. We are what we eat. Wrong food affects the mind of=
a being and changes the nature of the mind itself. The milk given by a nor=
mal cow embodies its motherly love and compassion and fills the drinker wit=
h such qualities. But milk given by a cow treated with hormones is differen=
t. These days they feed cows with hormones, chicken and other meat also. Al=
l these slowly change the basic nature of cow's mind. If milk from cows not=
treated with hormones and not fed chicken is used, that will be a lot bett=
er.
If you have a chance to pay more and buy milk from a local farm where=
cows are not treated with hormones and chicken and treated humanely, it is=
a good idea to use that milk in religious activities as well as own use.
=
If a temple can afford it, keeping some cows and getting milk from them is=
a good idea. This happens at a lot of big temples in India anyway.
One b=
ottomline is that everything is slowly more and more corrupted in Kali yuga=
. Even fruits are laced with artificial chemicals and pesticides. Even milk=
in western countries contains chicken fat and hormones. All food contains =
heavy and dangerous chemicals. More and more, we shun copper and other meta=
l containers and use plastic, thermocoal and other dangerous materials to s=
tore food and heat food (and end up consuming small quantities of those mat=
erials). We use microwave radiation to heat food. The food and drinks going=
into us contain gradually more dangerous chemicals that slowly dull the mi=
nd. What can we do? Kali will get denser and denser. We can put brakes now =
and then and slow it down, but we cannot stop it.
Best regards,
Narasimha=
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From: Chandra Prakash
To: Narasimha PV=
R Rao ; vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 11:2=
7 AM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: MahaShivratri
Dear Narasimha,
Tha=
nks to you and Ajit for the clarifications. I had sent an e-mail yesterday =
about a related topic yesterday but it has not been posted as yet, so I am =
resending it.
As I was watching the Shiva Abhishekam at the temple with =

milk, curd, ghee etc. an issue came up and I would appreciate your opinion/=
thoughts on it.
Use of dairy products (milk, curd, ghee) is extolled in =

our tradition and is encouraged as part of a saatwik lifestyle. However, in=
this Kali yuga, the reality is that the cows that provide these dairy prod=
ucts for our consumption and use in religious rituals, suffer terribly thro=
ughout their life and meet a painful end. This is specially true in large d=
airy operations in America but I suspect it would be true elsewhere too.
=
So, how do you reconcile the religious beliefs/doctrine and the reality of=
today's life, with respect to using diary products.
I am providing a li=
nk to a website that was sent to me by a friend. Note: The documentaries on=
the website, specially "Earthlings" are quite graphic and may not be for e=
veryone but they do depict a reality that is going on these days.
http:=
//veg-tv.info/Main_Page
warm regards,
Chandraprakash
----- Origina=
l Message ----
To: vedic-wisd=
om@yahoogroups.com
Sent: W=
ednesday, March 5, 2008 8:39:49 AM
Namaste,=
As Ajit Krishnan has clarified correctly, Maha Shivaratri is to be obse=

rved on the night of March 5 (Wednesday - today) in the entire north Americ=
a.
Some temples in USA are observing it on Thursday night, but there ARE=
some temples that are observing it correctly on Wednesday.
Happy Maha S=
hivaratri to all of you!
Best regards,
Narasimha
-------------------=
-----------------------------------------------
Do Ganapathi Homam Yourse=
Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.ho=
me.comcast.net
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handra Prakash <vedicstudent@...> wrote:
> Dear Narasimha,
>
=
>
> Could you =
please clarify when we are supposed to celebrate MahaShivratri this year in=
America. I looked up in JHora and thought it was Wednesday, March 5. Chatu=
rdashi starts around 3 pm EST on March 5 and ends on Thursday, March 6 arou=
nd 2 pm EST. I assumed that you would fast and pray the night of March 5 bu=
t our temple priests insists that we need to celebrate it on the midnight o=
f March 6, when, in fact, it will be amavasya during the entire night...
=
>
> Chandraprakash
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You ask a very poignant question. I will share my
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2> </FONT></DIV>
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milk is a great source of
protein that is easy to digest. A diet comprisi=
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all the nutrition needed by one and keeps=
one very calm and relaxed. Normal food
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d milk are a very saattwik food. The plant
giving fruits may feel some pai=
n because of wind and other weather factors. Even
when the fruit is cut of=
f, the planet may feel pain. Still, the emotions of a
plant are far more s=
ubtle than those of a human being. The gunas that get into
the fruits from=
the plant are far subtler than the gunas that get into food
cooked by a h=
uman being. The emotions of a cow are denser than a plant's,
but subt=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nb=
sp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Milk given by a humanely =
treated cow is definitely
superior, but even otherwise milk is superior to=
a lot of
substances.</FONT></DIV>
nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Pain and suffering from=
inhumane treatment is one
thing and what they feed is another. A being wi=
th a subtle mind can tolerate
pain more than others and the mind reacts to=
pain differently. But the food goes
the core of one's being. We are what =
we eat. Wrong food affects the mind of a
being and changes the nature of t=
he mind itself. The milk given by a normal cow
embodies its motherly love =
and compassion and fills the drinker with such
qualities. But milk given b=
y a cow treated with hormones is different. These
days they feed cows with=
hormones, chicken and other meat also. All these slowly
change the basic =
nature of cow's mind. If milk from cows not treated with
hormones and not =
fed chicken is used, that will be a lot better.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
you have a chance to pay more and buy milk from
a local farm where cows ar=
e not treated with hormones and chicken and treated
humanely, it is a good=
idea to use that milk in religious activities as well as
own use.</FONT><=
/DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>If a temple can afford it, keeping some cows and
getting=
milk from them is a good idea. This happens at a lot of big temples in
In=
dia anyway.</FONT></DIV>
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One bottomline is that everything is sl=
owly more
and more corrupted in Kali yuga. Even fruits are laced with arti=
ficial chemicals
and pesticides. Even milk in western countries contains c=
hicken fat
and hormones. All food contains heavy and dangerous chemic=
als. More and
more, we shun copper and other metal containers and use plas=
tic, thermocoal and
other dangerous materials to store food and heat food =
(and end up consuming
small quantities of those materials). We use microwa=
ve radiation to heat food.
The food and drinks going into us contain gradu=
ally more dangerous chemicals
that slowly dull the mind. What can we do? K=
ali will get denser and denser. We
can put brakes now and then and slow it=
down, but we cannot stop
it.</FONT></DIV>
2> </FONT></DIV>
regards,<BR>Na=
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pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 08, 2008 11:27
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<DIV st=
yle=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [vedic-wisdom] Re:
MahaShivratr=
i</DIV>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,new york=
,times,serif">Dear
Narasimha,<BR><BR>Thanks to you and Ajit for the clar=
ifications. I had sent an
e-mail yesterday about a related topic yesterd=
ay but it has not been posted as
yet, so I am resending it.<BR><BR>As I =
was watching the Shiva Abhishekam at
the temple with milk, curd, ghee et=
c. an issue came up and I would appreciate
your opinion/thoughts on it.<=
BR><BR>Use of dairy products (milk, curd, ghee)
is extolled in our tradi=
tion and is encouraged as part of a saatwik lifestyle.
However, in this =
Kali yuga, the reality is that the cows that provide these
dairy product=
s for our consumption and use in religious rituals, suffer
terribly thro=
ughout their life and meet a painful end. This is specially true
in larg=
e dairy operations in America but I suspect it would be true elsewhere
t=
oo.<BR><BR>So, how do you reconcile the religious beliefs/doctrine and the =
reality of today's life, with respect to using diary products.<BR><BR>I =

am
providing a link to a website that was sent to me by a friend. Note: =
The
documentaries on the website, specially "Earthlings" are quite graph=
ic and may
not be for everyone but they do depict a reality that is goin=
g on these days.
<BR><BR><SPAN><A href=3D"http://veg-tv.info/Main_Page" =
target=3D_blank>http://veg-tv.info/Main_Page</A></SPAN><BR><BR>warm
r=
egards,<BR>Chandraprakash<BR><BR>
<DIV
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-=
FAMILY: times new roman,new york,times,serif">-----
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-<BR>From: Narasimha PVR Rao
<pvr@...><BR>To: vedic-wisdom=
@yahoogroups.com<BR>Cc: Chandra
Prakash <vedicstudent@...><B=
R>Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2008
8:39:49 AM<BR>Subject: Re: MahaShivratr=
i<BR><BR>Namaste,<BR><BR>As Ajit
Krishnan has clarified correctly, Maha =
Shivaratri is to be observed on the
night of March 5 (Wednesday - today)=
in the entire north America.<BR><BR>Some
temples in USA are observing i=
t on Thursday night, but there ARE some temples
that are observing it co=
rrectly on Wednesday.<BR><BR>Happy Maha Shivaratri to
all of you!<BR><BR=
>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>-----------------------------------------=
-------------------------<BR>Do
Ganapathi Homam Yourself: <A href=3D"htt=
p://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam"
target=3D_blank>http://www.VedicAstro=
loger.org/homam</A><BR>Spirituality: <A
href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/=
group/vedic-wisdom"
target=3D_blank>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-=
wisdom</A><BR>Free Jyotish
lessons (MP3): <A href=3D"http://vedicastro.h=
ome.comcast.net"
target=3D_blank>http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net</A><=
BR>Free Jyotish software
(Windows): <A href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologe=
r.org"
target=3D_blank>http://www.VedicAstrologer.org</A><BR>Sri Jaganna=
th Centre (SJC)
website: <A href=3D"http://www.SriJagannath.org"
targ=
et=3D_blank>http://www.SriJagannath.org</A><BR>----------------------------=
--------------------------------------<BR><BR>----
Chandra Prakash <<=
A href=3D"mailto:vedicstudent@..."
ymailto=3D"mailto:vedicstudent@=
yahoo.com">vedicstudent@...</A>> wrote:
<BR>> Dear Narasimha=
,<BR>> <BR>> Thank you for your enlightening and
inspiring posts. =
<BR>> <BR>> Could you please clarify when we are
supposed to celeb=
rate MahaShivratri this year in America. I looked up in JHora
and though=
t it was Wednesday, March 5. Chaturdashi starts around 3 pm EST on
March=
5 and ends on Thursday, March 6 around 2 pm EST. I assumed that you
wou=
ld fast and pray the night of March 5 but our temple priests insists that
=
we need to celebrate it on the midnight of March 6, when, in fact, it wil=
l be
amavasya during the entire night...<BR>> <BR>> Thanks once
=
again,<BR>> Chandraprakash</DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>=
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>
> Namaste learned friends,
>
> Thank =
you for sharing this with us. This information is very valuable.
>
> I want=
to make a critical comment on an astrological factor mentioned
below. Plea=
se forgive me if this is out of line.
>
> > It is even more interesting tha=
t this Ashtami falls on the star
> > Swati. The ruling planet of the stars =
Tiruvadirai, Swati and
> > Sadayam is Rahu. The Goddess who rules over Rahu=
is the
> > all-powerful Goddess Durga Parameswari.
>
> It is simplistic to=
use planetary associations of nakshatras like
this. Though a lot of people=
say things like this, such thinking is
incorrect and relatively modern. Ra=
hu owns Swathi only as per the
Vimsottari dasa scheme. Maharshi Parasara ta=
ught tens of dasa schemes,
though people ignore all those now. For example,=
the ruling planet of
Swathi nakshatra is Mars as per Ashtottari dasa, Venu=
s as per
Shodasottari dasa, Sun as per Yogini dasa, Mercury as per Shat-tri=
msa
sama dasa, Sun as per Chaturaseeti sama dasa, Moon as per Sataabdika
da=
sa and so on. Then why take Rahu only?
>
> Ruling planets of nakshatras bas=
ed on specific dasa schemes like
Vimsottari are not of much importance. Rul=
ing deities of nakshatras
taught by rishis in nakshatra sooktam are far mor=
e important.
>
> For example, Sravana nakshatra is considered auspicious fo=
r Vishnu
pooja. It is not because Moon is the ruling planet of Sravanam. It=
is
because Vishnu is the ruling deity of Sravanam as per nakshatra sooktam=
.
Suryopanishat says "yo hastaaditye japati sa mahaamrityum tarati"
(whoeve=
r chants this when Sun is in Hasta nakshatra crosses death). As
per Vimsott=
ari ruling planets, Hasta is owned by Moon. However, that is
immaterial. Th=
e actual reason is that Hasta is ruled by Savita (a form
of Sun) as per nak=
shatra sooktam. That is why it is important for Sun's
worship. Though the r=
uling planet of both Asresha and Revati is Mercury,
the former is considere=
d very inauspicious for most activities and the
latter is auspicious. It is=
because its ruling deity of the former is
Sarpa (snake) and the latter is =
Pooshan as per nakshatra sooktam.
>
> We should get out of the habit of pay=
ing attention to the Vimsottari
dasa ruling planets of nakshatras and inste=
ad pay attention to the
nakshatra sookta ruling deities. The former is of n=
o significance.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#007f40" size=3D"2"><STRONG>Dear Narsimh=

a ji,</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
e=3D"2"><STRONG>Could you please provide such a list or point towards&=
nbsp;the source, many thanks.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Aria=
l" color=3D"#007f40" size=3D"2"><STRONG>Best</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FO=
NT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#007f40" size=3D"2"><STRONG>Sharat</STRONG></FON=
T></DIV><BR>--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <=
;pvr@...> wrote:<BR>><BR>> Namaste learned friends,<BR>> <BR>&g=
t; Thank you for sharing this with us. This information is very valuable.<B=
R>> <BR>> I want to make a critical comment on an astrological factor=
mentioned below. Please forgive me if this is out of line.<BR>> <BR>>=
; > It is even more interesting that this Ashtami falls on the star<BR>&=
gt; > Swati. The ruling planet of the stars Tiruvadirai, Swati and<BR>&g=
t; > Sadayam is Rahu. The Goddess who rules over Rahu is the<BR>> >=
; all-powerful Goddess Durga Parameswari.<BR>> <BR>> It is simplistic=
to use planetary associations of nakshatras like this. Though a lot of peo=
ple say things like this, such thinking is incorrect and relatively modern.=
Rahu owns Swathi only as per the Vimsottari dasa scheme. Maharshi Parasara=
taught tens of dasa schemes, though people ignore all those now. For examp=
le, the ruling planet of Swathi nakshatra is Mars as per Ashtottari dasa, V=
enus as per Shodasottari dasa, Sun as per Yogini dasa, Mercury as per Shat-=
trimsa sama dasa, Sun as per Chaturaseeti sama dasa, Moon as per Sataabdika=
dasa and so on. Then why take Rahu only?<BR>> <BR>> Ruling planets o=
f nakshatras based on specific dasa schemes like Vimsottari are not of much=
importance. Ruling deities of nakshatras taught by rishis in nakshatra soo=
ktam are far more important.<BR>> <BR>> For example, Sravana nakshatr=
a is considered auspicious for Vishnu pooja. It is not because Moon is the =
ruling planet of Sravanam. It is because Vishnu is the ruling deity of Srav=
anam as per nakshatra sooktam. Suryopanishat says "yo hastaaditye japati sa=
mahaamrityum tarati" (whoever chants this when Sun is in Hasta nakshatra c=
rosses death). As per Vimsottari ruling planets, Hasta is owned by Moon. Ho=
wever, that is immaterial. The actual reason is that Hasta is ruled by Savi=
ta (a form of Sun) as per nakshatra sooktam. That is why it is important fo=
r Sun's worship. Though the ruling planet of both Asresha and Revati is Mer=
cury, the former is considered very inauspicious for most activities and th=
e latter is auspicious. It is because its ruling deity of the former is Sar=
pa (snake) and the latter is Pooshan as per nakshatra sooktam.<BR>> <BR>=
> We should get out of the habit of paying attention to the Vimsottari d=
asa ruling planets of nakshatras and instead pay attention to the nakshatra=
sookta ruling deities. The former is of no significance.<BR>> <BR>> =
Best regards,<BR>> Narasimha<BR>
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Look at nakshatra sooktam. If you get the book "Mantra Pushpam" =

(in Devanagari script) or "Saswara Veda Mantramulu" (in Telugu script) publ=
ished by Ramakrishna Mutt, you can find nakshatra sooktam in it (with the i=
ntonation markings).
On the internet, you can find the list at
http://w=
ww.selfrealisation.net/VedicAstrology/devata.htm
Also, some detailed info=
rmation on the qualities of these nakshatras (in addition to deities) is at=
:
http://www.barbarapijan.com/bpa/bAstrHom.htm#twenty-seven%20nakshtras
=
The above links only give the names. But nakshatra sooktam is not just nam=
es. It is a collection of Vedic chants for the 28 deities ruling the 28 nak=
shatras.
Best regards,
Narasimha
----------------------------------------=
--------------------------
Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst=
rologer.org/homam
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JC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
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From: Sh=
arat
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 =
3:45 PM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Vrata Days and Phalas - English Trans=
lation
Dear Narsimha ji,

Could you please provide such a list or poin=
t towards the source, many thanks.
Best
Sharat
--- In vedic-wisdom@y=
ahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...> wrote:
>
> Namaste lea=
rned friends,
>
> Thank you for sharing this with us. This information=
is very valuable.
>
> I want to make a critical comment on an astrolo=
gical factor mentioned below. Please forgive me if this is out of line.
>=
> > It is even more interesting that this Ashtami falls on the star
>=
> Swati. The ruling planet of the stars Tiruvadirai, Swati and
> > Saday=
am is Rahu. The Goddess who rules over Rahu is the
> > all-powerful Godde=
ss Durga Parameswari.
>
> It is simplistic to use planetary associatio=
ns of nakshatras like this. Though a lot of people say things like this, su=
ch thinking is incorrect and relatively modern. Rahu owns Swathi only as pe=
r the Vimsottari dasa scheme. Maharshi Parasara taught tens of dasa schemes=
, though people inore all those now. For example, the ruling planet of Swat=
hi nakshatra is Mars as per Ashtottari dasa, Venus as per Shodasottari dasa=
, Sun as per Yogini dasa, Mercury as per Shat-trimsa sama dasa, Sun as per =
Chaturaseeti sama dasa, Moon as per Sataabdika dasa and so on. Then why tak=
e Rahu only?
>
> Ruling planets of nakshatras based on specific dasa s=
chemes like Vimsottari are not of much importance. Ruling deities of naksha=
tras taught by rishis in nakshatra sooktam are far more important.
>
>=
For example, Sravana nakshatra is considered auspicious for Vishnu pooja. =
It is not because Moon is the ruling planet of Sravanam. It is because Vish=
nu is the ruling deity of Sravanam as per nakshatra sooktam. Suryopanishat =
says "yo hastaaditye japati sa mahaamrityum tarati" (whoever chants this wh=
en Sun is in Hasta nakshatra crosses death). As per Vimsottari ruling plane=
ts, Hasta is owned by Moon. However, that is immaterial. The actual reason =
is that Hasta is ruled by Savita (a form of Sun)as per nakshatra sooktam. T=
hat is why it is important for Sun's worship. Though the ruling planet of b=
oth Asresha and Revati is Mercury, the former is considered very inauspicio=
us for most activities and the latter is auspicious. It is because its ruli=
ng deity of the former is Sarpa (snake) and the latter is Pooshan as per na=
kshatra sooktam.
>
> We should get out of the habit of paying attentio=
n to the Vimsottari dasa ruling planets of nakshatras and instead pay atten=
tion to the nakshatra sookta ruling deities. The former is of no significan=
ce.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
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"Mantra Pushpam" (in D=
evanagari script) or "Saswara Veda Mantramulu" (in Telugu
script) publishe=
d by Ramakrishna Mutt, you can find nakshatra sooktam in it
(with the into=
nation markings).</FONT></DIV>
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On the internet, you can find the=
list
at</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A

href=3D"http://www.selfrealisation.ne=
t/VedicAstrology/devata.htm">http://www.selfrealisation.net/VedicAstrology/=
devata.htm</A></FONT></DIV>
/DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also, some detailed information on t=
he qualities of
these nakshatras (in addition to deities) is at:</FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
Arial size=3D2><A
href=3D"http://www.barbarapijan.com/bpa/bAstrHom.htm#twe=
nty-seven%20nakshtras">http://www.barbarapijan.com/bpa/bAstrHom.htm#twenty-=
seven%20nakshtras</A></FONT></DIV>
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The above links only give the=
names. But nakshatra
sooktam is not just names. It is a collection of Ved=
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ruling the 28 nakshatras.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&=
nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>---------------------------=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B>=
<A title=3Dvedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com
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<DIV><FONT f=
ace=3DArial color=3D#007f40 size=3D2><STRONG>Dear Narsimha
ji,</STRONG><=
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#007f40 size=3D2><STRONG>Cou=
ld you please provide
such a list or point towards the source,=
many
thanks.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0=
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color=3D#007f40
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<A
href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@yahoogroup=
s.com</A>,
"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...> wrote:<BR>><BR>>=
Namaste learned
friends,<BR>> <BR>> Thank you for sharing this wi=
th us. This information
is very valuable.<BR>> <BR>> I want to mak=
e a critical comment on an
astrological factor mentioned below. Please f=
orgive me if this is out of
line.<BR>> <BR>> > It is even more =
interesting that this Ashtami
falls on the star<BR>> > Swati. The =
ruling planet of the stars
Tiruvadirai, Swati and<BR>> > Sadayam i=
s Rahu. The Goddess who rules
over Rahu is the<BR>> > all-powerful=
Goddess Durga Parameswari.<BR>>
<BR>> It is simplistic to use pla=
netary associations of nakshatras like
this. Though a lot of people say =
things like this, such thinking is incorrect
and relatively modern. Rahu=
owns Swathi only as per the Vimsottari dasa
scheme. Maharshi Parasara t=
aught tens of dasa schemes, though people inore all
those now. For examp=
le, the ruling planet of Swathi nakshatra is Mars as per
Ashtottari dasa=
, Venus as per Shodasottari dasa, Sun as per Yogini dasa,
Mercury as per=
Shat-trimsa sama dasa, Sun as per Chaturaseeti sama dasa, Moon
as per S=
ataabdika dasa and so on. Then why take Rahu only?<BR>> <BR>>
Ruli=
ng planets of nakshatras based on specific dasa schemes like Vimsottari
=
are not of much importance. Ruling deities of nakshatras taught by rishis i=
n
nakshatra sooktam are far more important.<BR>> <BR>> For example=
,
Sravana nakshatra is considered auspicious for Vishnu pooja. It is not=
because
Moon is the ruling planet of Sravanam. It is because Vishnu is =
the ruling
deity of Sravanam as per nakshatra sooktam. Suryopanishat say=
s "yo hastaaditye
japati sa mahaamrityum tarati" (whoever chants this wh=
en Sun is in Hasta
nakshatra crosses death). As per Vimsottari ruling pl=
anets, Hasta is owned by
Moon. However, that is immaterial. The actual r=
eason is that Hasta is ruled by
Savita (a form of Sun)as per nakshatra s=
ooktam. That is why it is important
for Sun's worship. Though the ruling=
planet of both Asresha and Revati is
Mercury, the former is considered =
very inauspicious for most activities and
the latter is auspicious. It i=
s because its ruling deity of the former is
Sarpa (snake) and the latter=
is Pooshan as per nakshatra sooktam.<BR>>
<BR>> We should get out=
of the habit of paying attention to the Vimsottari
dasa ruling planets =
of nakshatras and instead pay attention to the nakshatra
sookta ruling d=
eities. The former is of no significance.<BR>> <BR>> Best
regards,=
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When a woman gets pregnant, does she have to eat for two people?
Eating in pregnancy depends on the weight in the beginning. In the first

trimester one does not need extra calories per se, but one needs to have lots of
vitamins and folic acid because all tissues are growing and the fetus is beginning
to form so vitamins and minerals are most essential and of course protein follows.
As the trimester progresses, one must start eating the extra diet in terms of
proteins because the body is growing inside. You need lots of milk or milk products
and whole grains. Healthy eating is very important during pregnancy, you must eat a
healthy normal diet.
Why has diet become such a big issue nowadays?
Now it is become a matter of survival of the fittest. These days intelligence

of a child and the mental faculty depend a lot on the diet the mother has during
pregnancy. So most of our educated girls are quite positive over these
contributions that is why they like to eat the right type of diet before and during
pregnancy.
Most women end up gaining a lot of weight when they are pregnant, and once the baby
is delivered the weight is still intact. Why does this happen?
They generally go wrong at the beginning because when they are eating food
that is rich in calories, for example, we recommend a lot of milk ie. low fat milk
but they end up taking high fat milk. There is a lot of pressure on using ghee in
diet especially in North India. People usually take a lot ghee in their diet. So,
if you take too much of refined food and dense food in terms of fats and sugars, of
course, you will gain weight. You have to eat satiety food that stays in the
stomach for a long time and not refined food. This way you do not gain too much of
weight.
When does the food craving in pregnancy start? Can this be the cause for the
excessive weight gain?
In the first trimester it is very common to see these cravings and I don't
think we should tell them to stop that as long as they take hygienic food and
whatever they feel like they should eat. Subsequently if we find that they are
going overboard with their weight gain then we advise them which is usually during
the second trimester and much more in the third trimester.
Would you say that doctors nowadays tell woman not to eat too much instead of
eating?
Yes, we have to tell them because majority of them eat things which we would
not want them to eat. But in the first trimester we need not worry about this.
I am an anaemic and right now my haemoglobin count is 10.1. We are planning a

kid but we don't know what should I have because whatever I have my haemoglobin
count does not go above 10.1.
Haemoglobin of count 10.1 is not too bad though by certain standards it is bad
but by the Indian standard it is not so bad, so you should not worry. You should
first analyse if there is any other cause for this anaemia. We must exclude the
possibility of your carrying a thalassaemic trait. So once that is clear you can
concentrate on your diet. Take a high protein, high iron containing diet and may be
some supplement of vitamins. Also take folic acid right from now.
What is the role of folic acid in pregnancy?
These days we recommend the intake of folic acid even during pre-pregnancy
stage ie. when the person is planning a pregnancy. It is good to take folic acid
because there is documented proof that outcome of the fetus is much better in women
who take folic acid during pregnancy.
I am in the third month of my pregnancy, what food should I eat to relieve

constipation?
You need to take a lot of fiber in your diet. First of all when you take
breakfast, you should not take white bread, either take whole wheat bread or
porridge or oats. During lunch and dinner, you should take whole wheat gram or
whole wheat flour. You can mix some soybeans or Bangal gram flour into it. You
should take lot of fruits and vegetables. Drink lot of fluids too. Refined
carbohydrate should be avoided and more roughage should be added to the diet.
What exercises should a three months pregnant lady do?
She should walk to maintain the physical activity to the maximum.
My wife is pregnant and feels very hungry. What kind of food should I give to her?
This is very normal and she will feel hungry as the baby keeps growing. She
needs to take a lot of proteins in her diet. She should take at least two glasses
of milk and two bowls of pulses and lots of soybean. She should not take too much
of hollow calories like sugar and fats. Hunger is normal but foods that are high in
protein and roughage will curtail the hunger and she will not gain extra weight.
Is it advisable to eat smaller meals?
It is more satisfying especially if you are not working and you are home.
Then you can take a small breakfast at 11 and then take your lunch. It is much
better to have smaller meals but then try to curtail on too much of fat and sugar.
I am pregnant since five months and I am carrying twins. What should be my diet and
how much weight do I need to put on? The doctor says it is between 11 to 14 kgs for
a normal child but I am carrying twins so will it be more than 14 kgs?
The aim should be to put on one to two kilos in a month. You must eat at short
intervals and in small amounts. Don't eat too much because if you eat too much you
will feel uncomfortable. So, eat at short intervals, nutritious food and cut short
on your fat and sugar intake.
I am two months pregnant and I am suffering from polio in my left leg since I was
10 months old. I want to know whether I have to be more careful about my diet and
what precautions should I take during pregnancy?
You don't have to worry about your polio as of now. You are just like any
other pregnant girl, so you eat whatever your doctor advises. You have to avoid
excess weight gain and subsequently when you are near term, then your doctor will
decide whether your pelvic consideration is bad for normal delivery and that is the
only difference. Otherwise, there is no difference at all.
I am four months pregnant and I have heartburns, how can I avoid them?
Heartburn is quite common in early pregnancy so you should avoid taking too
many spices. You should not remain on an empty stomach for too long, take small
frequent meals and avoid deep-fried food. Whenever you are hungry, take cold milk
or something that will neutralise the acidic effect.
What should women suffering from diabetes and hypertension do during pregnancy?
In the beginning they have to be very conscious. The factors that contribute
to the exaggeration of these symptoms of hypertension or diabetes are to be curbed
right from the beginning. In the diet, they have to be careful of reducing salt
intake and sugar. They have to get checkups done very frequently to keep a check on
blood pressure and diabetes, and if detected they should be treated accordingly by
diet or medication.
I am four months pregnant and have put on only two kilos - is it fine?
Yes, it is absolutely okay. Do not worry.
I am eight months pregnant. Is there any special diet?
You should take a balanced diet and as mentioned before take a lot of proteins.
You should take two to three glasses of milk and if you don't like milk you can
take paneer or curd. You should continue with whatever exercise allowed to you by
your doctor.
What are the harmful effects of eating too many carbohydrates in pregnancy?
When there is excess intake of carbohydrates, there is excessive weight gain
which is not desirable. The woman feels bloated and some of them may develop gas
problem too.
My wife is seven months pregnant and wants to have garlic and ginger food. Should
she be allowed to have it?
There is no harm in having garlic and ginger but she should try to avoid too
much of fried things.
I am 11 weeks pregnant, 35 kilos, can I eat dry fruits?
Yes you can take dry fruits especially almonds.

DELIVERY OF A GOOD AND INTELIGENT CHILD DEPENDS VERY MUCH UPON MOTHERS' HEALTH
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #3366cc">When a woman gets pregnant, does

she have to eat for two people?</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt"><BR><BR><B> </B>Eating in pregnancy depends on the weight in the
beginning. In the first trimester one does not need extra calories per se, but one
needs to have lots of vitamins and folic acid because all tissues are growing and
the fetus is beginning to form so vitamins and minerals are most essential and of
course protein follows. As the trimester progresses, one must start eating the
extra diet in terms of proteins because the body is growing inside. You need lots
of milk or milk products and whole grains. Healthy eating is very important during
pregnancy, you must eat a healthy normal diet. <BR><BR><SPAN style="COLOR:
#3366cc">Why has diet become such a big issue nowadays? </SPAN><BR><BR><B>
</B>Now it is become a matter of survival
of the fittest. These days intelligence of a child and the mental faculty depend a
lot on the diet the mother has during pregnancy. So most of our educated girls are
quite positive over these contributions that is why they like to eat the right type
of diet before and during pregnancy. <BR><BR><SPAN style="COLOR: #3366cc">Most
women end up gaining a lot of weight when they are pregnant, and once the baby is
delivered the weight is still intact. Why does this happen? </SPAN><BR><BR><B>
</B>They generally go wrong at the beginning because when they are eating food that
is rich in calories, for example, we recommend a lot of milk ie. low fat milk but
they end up taking high fat milk. There is a lot of pressure on using ghee in diet
especially in North India. People usually take a lot ghee in their diet. So, if you
take too much of refined food and dense food in terms of fats and sugars, of
course, you will gain weight. You have to eat
satiety food that stays in the stomach for a long time and not refined food. This
way you do not gain too much of weight.<BR><BR><B></B></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: #3366cc">When does the food craving in
pregnancy start? Can this be the cause for the excessive weight gain?
</SPAN><BR><BR><B> </B>In the first trimester it is very common to see these
cravings and I don't think we should tell them to stop that as long as they take
hygienic food and whatever they feel like they should eat. Subsequently if we find
that they are going overboard with their weight gain then we advise them which is
usually during the second trimester and much more in the third
trimester. <BR></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #3366cc">Would you say that doctors nowadays tell woman not to eat
too much instead of eating? </SPAN><BR><BR><B> </B>Yes, we have to tell them
because majority of them eat things which we would not want them to eat. But in
the first trimester we need not worry about this. <BR><BR><B> </B><SPAN
style="COLOR: #3366cc">I am an anaemic and right now my haemoglobin count is 10.1.
We are planning a kid but we don't know what should I have because whatever I have
my haemoglobin count does not go above 10.1. </SPAN><BR><BR><STRONG>
</STRONG>Haemoglobin of count 10.1 is not too bad though by certain standards it is
bad but by the Indian standard it is not so bad, so you should not worry. You
should first analyse if there is any other cause for this anaemia. We must exclude
the possibility of your carrying a thalassaemic trait. So once that is clear you
can concentrate on your diet. Take a high protein, high iron containing diet and
may be some supplement of vitamins. Also take folic acid right from
now. <BR><BR><SPAN style="COLOR: #3366cc">What is the role of
folic acid in pregnancy? </SPAN><BR><BR><B> </B>These days we recommend the
intake of folic acid even during pre-pregnancy stage ie. when the person is
planning a pregnancy. It is good to take folic acid because there is documented
proof that outcome of the fetus is much better in women who take folic acid during
pregnancy. <BR><BR><SPAN style="COLOR: #3366cc">I am in the third month of my
pregnancy, what food should I eat to relieve constipation? </SPAN><BR><BR><B>
</B>You need to take a lot of fiber in your diet. First of all when you take
breakfast, you should not take white bread, either take whole wheat bread or
porridge or oats. During lunch and dinner, you should take whole wheat gram or
whole wheat flour. You can mix some soybeans or Bangal gram flour into it. You
should take lot of fruits and vegetables. Drink lot of fluids too. Refined
carbohydrate should be avoided and more roughage
should be added to the diet. <BR><BR><SPAN style="COLOR: #3366cc">What exercises
should a three months pregnant lady do? </SPAN><BR><BR><B> </B>She should walk
to maintain the physical activity to the maximum. <BR><BR><B></B><SPAN
style="COLOR: #3366cc">My wife is pregnant and feels very hungry. What kind of food
should I give to her? </SPAN><BR><BR><B> </B>This is very normal and she will
feel hungry as the baby keeps growing. She needs to take a lot of proteins in her
diet. She should take at least two glasses of milk and two bowls of pulses and lots
of soybean. She should not take too much of hollow calories like sugar and fats.
Hunger is normal but foods that are high in protein and roughage will curtail the
hunger and she will not gain extra weight. <BR><BR><B></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
#3366cc">Is it advisable to eat smaller meals? </SPAN><BR><BR><B> </B>It
is more satisfying especially if you are not working and you are home. Then you
can take a small breakfast at 11 and then take your lunch. It is much better to
have smaller meals but then try to curtail on too much of fat and sugar. <BR><SPAN
style="COLOR: #3366cc">I am pregnant since five months and I am carrying twins.
What should be my diet and how much weight do I need to put on? The doctor says it
is between 11 to 14 kgs for a normal child but I am carrying twins so will it be
more than 14 kgs? </SPAN><BR><BR><STRONG> </STRONG>The aim should be to put on
one to two kilos in a month. You must eat at short intervals and in small amounts.
Don't eat too much because if you eat too much you will feel uncomfortable. So, eat
at short intervals, nutritious food and cut short on your fat and sugar
intake. <BR><BR><B></B><SPAN style="COLOR: #3366cc">I am two months pregnant and I
am suffering from polio in my left leg since I was 10 months old.
I want to know whether I have to be more careful about my diet and what
precautions should I take during pregnancy? </SPAN><BR><BR><B> </B>You don't
have to worry about your polio as of now. You are just like any other pregnant
girl, so you eat whatever your doctor advises. You have to avoid excess weight gain
and subsequently when you are near term, then your doctor will decide whether your
pelvic consideration is bad for normal delivery and that is the only difference.
Otherwise, there is no difference at all. <BR><BR><SPAN style="COLOR: #3366cc">I am
four months pregnant and I have heartburns, how can I avoid
them? </SPAN><BR><BR><B> </B>Heartburn is quite common in early pregnancy so
you should avoid taking too many spices. You should not remain on an empty stomach
for too long, take small frequent meals and avoid deep-fried food. Whenever you are
hungry, take cold milk or something that will neutralise the
acidic effect. <BR><BR><SPAN style="COLOR: #3366cc">What should women suffering
from diabetes and hypertension do during pregnancy? </SPAN><BR><BR><B> </B>In
the beginning they have to be very conscious. The factors that contribute to the
exaggeration of these symptoms of hypertension or diabetes are to be curbed right
from the beginning. In the diet, they have to be careful of reducing salt intake
and sugar. They have to get checkups done very frequently to keep a check on blood
pressure and diabetes, and if detected they should be treated accordingly by diet
or medication. <BR><BR><SPAN style="COLOR: #3366cc">I am four months pregnant and
have put on only two kilos - is it fine? </SPAN><BR><BR><B> </B>Yes, it is
absolutely okay. Do not worry. <BR><BR><SPAN style="COLOR: #3366cc">I am eight
months pregnant. Is there any special diet? </SPAN><BR><BR><B> </B>You should
take a balanced diet
and as mentioned before take a lot of proteins. You should take two to three
glasses of milk and if you don't like milk you can take paneer or curd. You should
continue with whatever exercise allowed to you by your doctor. <BR><BR><SPAN
style="COLOR: #3366cc">What are the harmful effects of eating too many
carbohydrates in pregnancy? </SPAN><BR><BR><B> </B>When there is excess intake
of carbohydrates, there is excessive weight gain which is not desirable. The woman
feels bloated and some of them may develop gas problem too. <BR><BR><B> </B><SPAN
style="COLOR: #3366cc">My wife is seven months pregnant and wants to have garlic
and ginger food. Should she be allowed to have it? </SPAN><BR><BR><B>
</B>There is no harm in having garlic and ginger but she should try to avoid too
much of fried things. <BR><BR><B></B><SPAN style="COLOR: #3366cc">I am 11 weeks
pregnant, 35 kilos, can I eat dry
fruits? </SPAN><BR><BR><STRONG> </STRONG>Yes you can take dry fruits especially
almonds. </SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><FONT color=#ff007f
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Home Remedies for GOUT

GOUT
Gout is a strange disease, which is not in any way related to other forms of the
bone disease. It is a metabolic disorder. Gout occurs more frequently in males,
usually in middle life.
Gout tends to run in families. In all cases there is too much uric acid in the
blood. This excess uric acid is deposited in some of the soft tissues of the body
and also around certain joints. This results in painful swellings, known as tophi,
which are most likely to develop in cartilage, such as in the outer ear. They also
occur in the synovial membranes of such joints as the knees and ankles and
particularly the big toe and also in various tendons and bursae. Even the ends of
some bones may be invaded by these tophi.
This may be the result of wearing ill-fitting shoes or tight gloves. It may also
follow a heavy meal, or overindulgence in rich foods or alcohol. It sometimes comes
on after a surgical operation, or after an acute infection of the nose or throat.
Severe pain may develop at the base of the big toe, usually in the middle of the
night. Several joints, such as the ankle or knee, may also be affected at the same
time.
The pain becomes more severe as fluid collects in the joint space and in the
surrounding soft tissues. The skin is tense, hot, and shining, and is of a red or
purplish color. The patient is likely to have chills and fever, a rapid pulse, and
feelings of general weakness. Severe attacks may continue for several weeks, milder
attacks usually last only a few days. Repeated attacks may occur each year,
gradually becoming more severe and prolonged.
Any person suffering from acute joint pain who is otherwise healthy should be
tested for gout. There are times when gout may stimulate rheumatic fever, but this
disease is more likely to attack larger joints, while gout tends to involve the
smaller joints.
Gout Symptoms Acute pain in the toe, swelling The most common Gout symptom is
acute pain in the big toe, which becomes tender, hot, and swollen in a few hours.
It may also similarly affect other joints such as the knees and wrists, and
sometimes more than one joint may be affected at a time. The attack, usually occurs
at midnight or in the early hours of the morning when the patient is suddenly
awakened. The acute attack generally lasts for a week or so. During this period,
the patient may run a slight fever, and feel disinclined to eat. A serious
complication of gout is the presence of kidney stones containing uric acid. In some
cases the kidneys get damaged and do not function properly.
Causes of Gout Gout caused due to Uric Acid Crystals One of main causes of gout
is the formation of uric acid crystals in the joints, skin, and kidneys. Uric acid
is an end product of the body's chemical processes. Those affected by gout have a
higher level of uric acid in the blood than the normal, due either to formation of
increased amounts or reduced amounts of acid being passed out by the kidneys in the
urine. This uric acid usually remains dissolved in the blood. But when the blood
becomes too full of it, the uric acid forms needle-shaped crystals in the joints
which bring about attacks of gout.
Excessive alcohol, heredity, rich foods, lack of exercise also causes gout Other
causes of gout are heredity, alcoholic drinks, regular eating of foods rich in
protein and carbohydrate, lack of proper exercise, and stress.
HOME REMEDIES FOR GOUT Treating gout using Cherry The cherry, sweet or sour,
is considered in effective treating gout. To start with, the patient should consume
about fifteen to twenty five cherries a day. Thereafter, about ten cherries a day
will keep the ailment under control. While fresh cherries are best, canned cherries
can also be used occasionally.
Gout treatment using Vegetable Juices Raw vegetable juices are used for gout
treatment. Carrot juice, in combination with the juices of beet and cucumber, is
especially valuable. Beet juice - 100 ml and cucumber juice - 100 ml should be
mixed with 300 ml of carrot juice to make 500 ml of combined juice and taken daily
Treating Gout using French Beans The juice of French or string beans has also
proved effective in treating gout. About 150 ml of this juice should be taken daily
by the patient suffering from this disease.
Cure for Gout using Apple Apples are regarded as an excellent source for curing
gout. The malic acid contained in them is believed to neutralise the uric acid and
afford relief to gout sufferers. The patient is advised to take one apple after
each meal.
Gout relief using Banana Bananas have been found beneficial in the treatment of
gout. A diet of bananas only for three or four days is advised for providing some
relief from gout. A patient can take eight or nine bananas daily during this period
and nothing else.
Treating gout using Lime Lime is also used as a source in treating gout. Vitamin
C is known to prevent and cure sore joints by strengthening the connective tissues
of the body. The citric acid found in lime is a solvent of the uric acid which is
the primary cause of this disease. The juice of half a lime, squeezed into a glass
of water, should be taken twice daily.
Avoid alcohol , protein , heavy foods , coffee and soft drinks in your diet.
These foods cause uric acid levels to rise.
Simple sugars, simple carbohydrates and saturated fats - they increase your
body's production of uric acid and impair your kidneys' ability to get rid of it.
Eliminate fructose (found in food and drinks, like sodas).
For natural gout treatment, eat foods high in potassium
Lemon juice prevents gout attacks by stimulating the formation of calcium
carbonate in the body.
Taking teaspoon of baking soda with meals will prevent gout attacks. This will
help alkalize the body.
Press and massage between the ball of the foot and the bottom of the big toe on
each foot; then on the left foot only, stimulate a point halfway between the base
of the little toe and the heel pad.
Alfalfa is a good source of minerals and other nutrients that help reduce serum
uric acid.
For natural gout treatment, add some rose hips to vinegar and boil; apply on
affected area.
Prepare a mixture by adding two teaspoons each of apple cider vinegar and raw
honey in a glass of water and drink at mealtime.
Soak the foot in a mixture of cup of apple cider vinegar and three cups of hot
water.
Get some natural, concentrated black cherry juice and drink several tablespoons
of the concentrate daily.
Blueberries are high in anti-inflammatory compounds called anthocyanins, which
help to relieve the pain of gout.
Buchu tea helps dissolve and flush out uric acid crystals.
Soak a piece of white flannel in warm castor oil, wring it out and place over
the affected area; cover with plastic wrap and apply a heating pad. Do this for one
hour twice daily.
Boil one tablespoon of pepper in 1 cup of vinegar and 1 cup of water and apply
on the painful joint.
Cook a tablespoon of celery seeds in two cups of water until they are soft;
strain and drink 1/2 cup four times a day.
Take -1 teaspoon of activated charcoal daily. This is very effective home
remedy for gout.
Prepare a poultice using cup of activated charcoal, 3 tablespoons of ground
flaxseed and warm water to excrete toxins from the body.
Eat several cloves of raw garlic daily.
Put 1/3 cup of ground ginger in a bathtub of water and soak for 30 minutes. This
will cause you to sweat, which will help eliminate the uric acid from your tissues.
Grapes are high in alkalines, which lessen the acidity of uric acid and helps in
its elimination from the body.
Apply an ice pack for ten minutes, and then alternate with a moist hot-towel
compress, to soothe and numb the pain.
Soak mullein leaves in a hot vinegar/water mixture. Pack the leaves on the
affected area.
Prepare a poultice of spearmint leaves and wrap the affected area. This is also
very effective home remedy for gout.
Eating a cup of strawberries with each meal should bring quick relief. They
neutralize uric acid.
Prepare a tea by using equal parts of yarrow and stinging nettles; strain, cool
and drink several cups a day.
Eat an apple after every meal. This is very helpful in natural cure for gout.
Take the juice of a lime in 1 glass of water. Drink this morning, noon and
night.
Extract a cup of juice of French beans (String beans). Drink this juice
everyday for a month.
Apply a frozen cabbage leaf to the area and cover with a dry towel. Leave in
place until the leaf thaws out and repeat.
Drinking lots of water will help kidneys flush out the excess uric acid.
Meats having high protein content, such as fish (herrings, salmons and
sardines), sweet bread, liver, kidney, milk extracts and meat soup should be
avoided.
Gout Diet
Fast of Orange juice and water For an acute attack, there is no better remedy
than a fast of orange juice and water. In severe cases, it is advisable to
undertake a series of short fasts for three days or so rather than one long fast.
All fruit diet After the acute symptoms subside, the patient may adopt an all
fruit diet for another three or four days.
Natural food diet Thereafter, he may gradually embark upon a well-balanced diet
of natural foods, with emphasis on fresh fruits, raw vegetables, and sprouts.
Avoid purine and acid producing foods The patient should avoid all purine and
uric acid-producing foods such as all meats, eggs, and fish; tea, coffee, sugar,
white flour and its products; and all canned, processed, and fried foods.
Other Gout Treatment Warm water enema A warm-water enema should be used daily
during the period of fasting to cleanse the bowels.
Epsom salt bath Epsom salts foot baths are advised twice daily. About 250 gm -
500gm of these salts may be added to tolerably hot water for this purpose. Full
Epsom salt baths should also be taken three times a week. The baths may be reduced
to two per week later.
Cold packs, fresh air, exercise, reduced stress Cold packs, applied to the
affected joints at night, will be beneficial. Fresh air and outdoor exercise are
also essential. The patient should eliminate as much stress from his life as
possible
Regds.
K.V.Vighnesh
Chennai-India
mbl: 9444961820
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href="http://homeremedyall.blogspot.com/2008/03/home-remedies-for-gout.html">Home
Remedies for GOUT</A> </H3> <DIV class=post-header-line-1></DIV> <DIV
class="post-body entry-content"> <DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <DIV class=MsoNormal
style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><STRONG><U><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt;
COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">GOUT</SPAN></U></STRONG><SPAN
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class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY:
'Comic Sans MS'">Gout</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f;
FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"> is a strange disease, which is not in any way
related to other forms of the bone disease. It is a metabolic disorder. Gout occurs
more frequently in males, usually in middle life.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Gout tends to
run in families. In all cases there is too much uric acid in the blood. This excess
uric acid is deposited in some of the soft tissues of the body and also around
certain joints. This results in painful swellings, known as tophi, which are most
likely to develop in cartilage, such as in the outer ear. They also occur in the
synovial membranes of such joints as the knees and ankles and particularly the big
toe and also in various tendons and bursae. Even the ends of some bones may be
invaded by these tophi.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic
Sans MS'">This may be the result of wearing ill-fitting shoes or tight gloves. It
may also follow a heavy meal, or overindulgence in rich foods or alcohol. It
sometimes comes on after a surgical operation, or after an acute infection of the
nose or throat. Severe pain may develop at the base of the big toe, usually in the
middle of the night. Several joints, such as the ankle or knee, may also be
affected at the same time.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">The pain becomes more severe as fluid
collects in the joint space and in the surrounding soft tissues. The skin is tense,
hot, and shining, and is of a red or purplish color. The patient is likely to have
chills and fever, a rapid pulse, and feelings of general weakness. Severe attacks
may continue for several weeks,
milder attacks usually last only a few days. Repeated attacks may occur each year,
gradually becoming more severe and prolonged.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Any person suffering from acute joint
pain who is otherwise healthy should be tested for <STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-
FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><FONT color=#000000>gout</FONT></SPAN></STRONG>. There are
times when gout may stimulate rheumatic fever, but this disease is more likely to
attack larger joints, while gout tends to involve the smaller joints.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <H2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt;
COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Gout Symptoms</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></H2> <H3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR:
#0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Acute pain in the toe, swelling</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></H3> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">The most
common Gout symptom is acute pain in the big toe, which becomes tender, hot, and
swollen in a few hours. It may also similarly affect other joints such as the knees
and wrists, and sometimes more than one joint may be affected at a time. The
attack, usually occurs at midnight or in the early hours of the morning when the
patient is suddenly awakened. The acute attack generally lasts for a week or so.
During this period, the patient may run a slight fever, and feel disinclined to
eat. A serious complication of gout is the presence of kidney stones containing
uric acid. In some cases the kidneys get damaged and do not function properly.
</SPAN><A name=cause></A><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<H2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Causes of
Gout</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></H2> <H3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Gout caused
due to Uric Acid Crystals</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
11pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></H3> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">One of main causes of gout is the
formation of uric acid crystals in the joints, skin, and kidneys. Uric acid is an
end product of the body's chemical processes. Those affected by gout have a higher
level of uric acid in the blood than the normal, due either to formation of
increased amounts or reduced amounts of acid being passed out by the kidneys in the
urine. This uric acid usually remains dissolved in the blood. But when the blood
becomes too full of it, the uric acid forms needle-shaped crystals in the joints
which bring about attacks of
gout.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <H3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Excessive
alcohol, heredity, rich foods, lack of exercise also causes gout</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Other causes
of gout are heredity, alcoholic drinks, regular eating of foods rich in protein and
carbohydrate, lack of proper exercise, and stress.</SPAN><A name=remedy></A><SPAN
COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">HOME REMEDIES FOR GOUT </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></H2> <H3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Treating gout using
Cherry</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></H3> <DIV
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">The cherry, sweet or sour, is
considered in effective treating gout. To start with, the patient should consume
about fifteen to twenty five cherries a day. Thereafter, about ten cherries a day
will keep the ailment under control. While fresh cherries are best, canned cherries
can also be used occasionally.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <H3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf;
FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Gout treatment using Vegetable Juices</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Raw vegetable
juices are used for gout treatment. Carrot juice, in combination with the juices of
beet and cucumber, is especially valuable. Beet juice - 100 ml and cucumber juice -
100 ml should be mixed with 300 ml of carrot juice to make 500 ml of combined juice
and taken
daily</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <H3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Treating Gout
using French Beans</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></H3>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY:
'Comic Sans MS'">The juice of French or string beans has also proved effective in
treating gout. About 150 ml of this juice should be taken daily by the patient
suffering from this disease.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Cure for Gout using Apple</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-
SIZE: 11pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></H3> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Apples are regarded as an
excellent source for curing gout. The malic acid contained in them is believed to
neutralise the uric acid and afford
relief to gout sufferers. The patient is advised to take one apple after each
meal.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <H3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Gout relief
using Banana</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></H3> <DIV
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic
Sans MS'">Bananas have been found beneficial in the treatment of gout. A diet of
bananas only for three or four days is advised for providing some relief from gout.
A patient can take eight or nine bananas daily during this period and nothing
else.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <H3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Treating gout
using Lime</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></H3> <DIV
Sans MS'">Lime is also
used as a source in treating gout. Vitamin C is known to prevent and cure sore
joints by strengthening the connective tissues of the body. The citric acid found
in lime is a solvent of the uric acid which is the primary cause of this disease.
The juice of half a lime, squeezed into a glass of water, should be taken twice
daily.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <UL type=disc>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;
mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-
FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Avoid alcohol<STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans
MS'"><FONT color=#000000> , </FONT></SPAN></STRONG>protein<STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><FONT color=#000000> ,
</FONT></SPAN></STRONG>heavy foods<STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans
MS'"><FONT color=#000000> , </FONT></SPAN></STRONG>coffee and soft drinks in your
diet. These foods cause uric acid levels
to rise. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN> <LI
class=MsoNormal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-
list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY:
'Comic Sans MS'">Simple sugars, simple carbohydrates and saturated fats - they
increase your body's production of uric acid and impair your kidneys' ability to
get rid of it. Eliminate fructose (found in food and drinks, like sodas).
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN> <LI class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1
lfo1"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans
MS'">For <STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><FONT
color=#000000>natural gout treatment</FONT></SPAN></STRONG>, eat foods high in
potassium </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN> <LI
class=MsoNormal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto;
mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Lemon juice prevents gout
attacks by stimulating the formation of calcium carbonate in the body. </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN> <LI class=MsoNormal style="mso-margin-
top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Taking
teaspoon of baking soda with meals will prevent gout attacks. This will help
alkalize the body. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN> <LI
'Comic Sans MS'">Press and massage between the ball of the foot and the bottom of
the big toe on each foot; then on the left foot only, stimulate a point halfway
between the base of the
little toe and the heel pad. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN> <LI class=MsoNormal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-
margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Alfalfa is a good source of minerals
and other nutrients that help reduce serum uric acid. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-
SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN> <LI class=MsoNormal style="mso-margin-top-alt:
auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN style="FONT-
SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">For <STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><FONT color=#000000>natural gout
treatment</FONT></SPAN></STRONG>, add some rose hips to vinegar and boil; apply on
affected area. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN> <LI
list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Prepare a mixture by adding two
teaspoons each of apple cider vinegar and raw honey in a glass of water and drink
at mealtime. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN> <LI
'Comic Sans MS'">Soak the foot in a mixture of cup of apple cider vinegar and
three cups of hot water. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;
FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Get some natural, concentrated black cherry juice and
drink several tablespoons of the concentrate daily. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
margin-bottom-alt: auto;
FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Blueberries are high in anti-inflammatory compounds called
anthocyanins, which help to relieve the pain of gout. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-
SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Buchu tea helps dissolve
and flush out uric acid crystals. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Soak a piece of white flannel in warm
castor oil, wring it out and place over the affected area; cover with plastic wrap
and apply a heating pad. Do this for one hour twice daily. </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN> <LI class=MsoNormal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto;
10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Boil one tablespoon of pepper
in 1 cup of vinegar and 1 cup of water and apply on the painful joint. </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Cook a
tablespoon of celery seeds in two cups of water until they are soft; strain and
drink 1/2 cup four times a day. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Take -1 teaspoon of activated
charcoal daily. This is very effective
<STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><FONT color=#000000>home remedy
for gout</FONT></SPAN></STRONG>. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Prepare a poultice using cup of
activated charcoal, 3 tablespoons of ground flaxseed and warm water to excrete
toxins from the body. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN> <LI
'Comic Sans MS'">Eat several cloves of raw garlic daily. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-
SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f;
FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Put 1/3 cup of ground ginger in a bathtub of water
and soak for 30 minutes. This will cause you to sweat, which will help eliminate
the uric acid from your tissues. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Grapes are high in alkalines, which
lessen the acidity of uric acid and helps in its elimination from the body.
MS'">Apply an ice pack for ten minutes, and then alternate with a moist hot-towel
compress, to soothe and numb the pain. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN> <LI class=MsoNormal
MS'">Soak mullein leaves in a hot vinegar/water mixture. Pack the leaves on the
affected area. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN> <LI
'Comic Sans MS'">Prepare a poultice of spearmint leaves and wrap the affected area.
This is also very effective <STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans
MS'"><FONT color=#000000>home remedy for gout</FONT></SPAN></STRONG>. </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Eating a cup
of strawberries with each
meal should bring quick relief. They neutralize uric acid. </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Prepare a tea
by using equal parts of yarrow and stinging nettles; strain, cool and drink several
cups a day. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN> <LI
'Comic Sans MS'">Eat an apple after every meal. This is very helpful in
<STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><FONT color=#000000>natural cure
for gout</FONT></SPAN></STRONG>. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1
MS'">Take the juice of a lime in 1 glass of water. Drink this morning, noon and
night. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN> <LI class=MsoNormal
MS'">Extract a cup of juice of French beans (String beans). Drink this juice
everyday for a month. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN> <LI
'Comic Sans MS'">Apply a frozen cabbage leaf to the area and cover with a dry
towel. Leave in place until the leaf thaws out and repeat. </SPAN><SPAN
top-alt: auto;
10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Drinking lots of water will
help kidneys flush out the excess uric acid. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Meats having high protein content,
such as fish (herrings, salmons and sardines), sweet bread, liver, kidney, milk
extracts and meat soup should be avoided.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN> </LI></UL> <DIV class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Gout
Diet</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<H3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans
MS'">Fast of Orange juice and water</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">For an acute
attack, there is no better remedy than a fast of orange juice and water. In severe
cases, it is advisable to undertake a series of short fasts for three days or so
rather than one long fast.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">All fruit diet</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">After the acute symptoms subside, the
patient may adopt an all fruit diet for another three or four days.</SPAN><SPAN
COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Natural food diet</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE:
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Thereafter, he may gradually embark
upon a well-balanced diet of natural foods, with emphasis on fresh fruits, raw
vegetables, and sprouts.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Avoid purine and acid producing foods</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">The patient
should avoid all purine and uric acid-producing foods such as all meats, eggs, and
fish; tea, coffee, sugar, white flour and its products; and all canned, processed,
and fried foods.</SPAN><A name=suggestion></A><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Other Gout
Treatment</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></H2> <H3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Warm water
enema</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></H3> <DIV
Sans MS'">A warm-water enema should be used daily during the period of fasting to
cleanse the bowels.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<H3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans
MS'">Epsom salt bath</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></H3>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY:
'Comic Sans MS'">Epsom salts foot baths are advised twice daily. About 250 gm -
500gm of these salts may be added to tolerably hot water for this purpose. Full
Epsom salt baths should also be taken three times a week. The baths may be reduced
to two per week
later.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <H3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Cold packs,
fresh air, exercise, reduced stress</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Cold packs, applied to the affected
joints at night, will be beneficial. Fresh air and outdoor exercise are also
essential. The patient should eliminate as much stress from his life as
possible</SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR:
#7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
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LYCHEE ::: VITAMIN A, B1, B2, & C

LYCHEE
It is a fruit of Litchi chineasis, a tree of the family Sapindaceae. The handsome

tree develops a compact crown of bright-green foliage. The leaves are compound,
composed of 2 to 4 pairs of elliptic to lanceolate leaflets 2 or 3 inches long. The
flowers, small and inconspicuous, are borne in loose diverse terminal clusters or
panicles sometimes 30 centimetres (12 inches) in length. The fruits which are
produced in clusters are oval to round, strawberry red in colour and about 25
millimetres in diameter. The brittle outer covering encloses white, translucent
watery flesh and one large seed. The flavour is subacid. The fruit is eaten fresh,
canned or dried. It is usually available in summer months. It subsides pitta. It is
mild laxative. The fruit is given in acute constipation. It keeps the body cool and
calm. It prevents sun-stroke and heat-stroke.
Benefit and uses of Lichi
Lichi to relieve coughing and to have a beneficial effect on gastralgia, tumors
and enlargements of the glands.
It is crushed seeds are used to alleviate pain and for intestinal problems. A
tea from the lichi peel is taken to control diarrhea. Root, flower and bark
extracts are taken as a treatment for sore throat. The roots show anti-cancer
activity.
Lichi fruit increase body fluids needed for good health. Fruit also contains
about 0.7% protein, 0.3% fat, 0.7% minerals (particularly calcium and phosphorus)
and is a reasonable source of vitamins C (64 mg/100 g pulp), A, B1 and B2.
The lichi fruit increase your energy
Regds
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::: VITAMIN A, B1, B2, & C</A> </H3> <DIV class=post-header-line-1></DIV> <DIV
class="post-body entry-content"> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN:
center" align=center><STRONG><U><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-
FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">LYCHEE</SPAN></U></STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><?
XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">It is a fruit
of Litchi chineasis, a tree of the family Sapindaceae. The handsome tree develops a
compact crown of bright-green foliage. The leaves are compound, composed of 2 to 4
pairs of elliptic to lanceolate leaflets 2 or 3 inches long. The flowers, small and
inconspicuous, are borne in loose
diverse terminal clusters or panicles sometimes 30 centimetres (12 inches) in
length. The fruits which are produced in clusters are oval to round, strawberry red
in colour and about 25 millimetres in diameter. The brittle outer covering encloses
white, translucent watery flesh and one large seed. The flavour is subacid. The
fruit is eaten fresh, canned or dried. It is usually available in summer months. It
subsides pitta. It is mild laxative. The fruit is given in acute constipation. It
keeps the body cool and calm. It prevents sun-stroke and heat-stroke.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <H2 class=Section1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Benefit and
uses of Lichi</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY:
'Comic Sans MS'"> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></H2>
<DIV class=Section1> <UL type=disc> <LI class=MsoNormal style="mso-margin-top-
alt: auto;
10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Lichi to relieve coughing and
to have a beneficial effect on gastralgia, tumors and enlargements of the glands.
MS'">It is crushed seeds are used to alleviate pain and for intestinal problems. A
tea from the lichi peel is taken to control diarrhea. Root, flower and bark
extracts are taken as a treatment for sore throat. The roots show anti-cancer
activity. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN> <LI
'Comic Sans MS'">Lichi fruit increase
body fluids needed for good health. Fruit also contains about 0.7% protein, 0.3%
fat, 0.7% minerals (particularly calcium and phosphorus) and is a reasonable source
of vitamins C (64 mg/100 g pulp), A, B1 and B2. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">The lichi fruit increase your
energy</SPAN></LI></UL></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="mso-margin-top-alt:
SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><FONT
color=#000000>Regds</FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="mso-margin-
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><FONT
color=#000000>K.V.Vighnesh</FONT></SPAN></div>
<div class=MsoNormal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;
FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><FONT color=#000000>Chennai-India.</FONT></SPAN></div>
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The Best Treatment For Acute Back Pain

Do you know what it's like to have a sudden, sharp pain in your back that
you know is going to lead to several days of terrible pain and stiffness?
I am very familiar with this scenario from my own experiences with
back pain and from my work as a chiropractor for many years.
If you know what this feels like, then you might find what I have to say
next to be surprising.
The best thing that you can do for yourself as soon as you feel
that familiar spasm or pull in your back muscles is the following:
Nothing.
No matter what you are doing - shovelling snow, carrying groceries,

painting, laundry, or exercising
- stop immediately and lay down on the closest comfortable surface.
You want to lay down with your knees bent up so that your feet are flat
on the floor, or so that your calves are resting on several pillows or
on a chair. As you lay down, try to relax all of your muscles,
especially the ones in your back. You can facilitate effective relaxation
by taking slow, deep breaths from your tummy.
Depending on how badly you have pulled your muscles or ligaments,

you can lay like this for 15 minutes or 1 hour.
When you feel very relaxed, try to get up slowly, turning on your side
and using your arms to help lift your upper body off the ground.
Be sure to use your thigh muscles to stand up. If you feel any pain
as you try to stand up, lay down again and relax some more.
Following this recommendation will significantly decrease the severity

of your injury, and will have you back to normal much sooner than if
you had continued on with your activities.
Here's why...
The first moment that you experience sharp pain in your back is a signal
that a muscle or ligament has been stressed beyond its natural capacity.
From that moment on, if the muscle or ligament in question is still being
asked to work, your body will create inflammation in that area,
which brings pain, stiffness, and swelling.
Why does your body do this?
Because pain, stiffness, and swelling are parts of a

protective response that your body uses
to get you to rest that area until it heals.
Can you see why popping a pain killer in this situation

is not in your best interest?
If you numb yourself to pain, then you'll probably continue
being active, not giving your injured tissues a chance to rest and recover.
This is a great way to worsen your injury and prolong your suffering.
And let's not forget the negative side effects that pain killers
have on your stomach, liver and kidneys.
At the first sign of sharp pain in their backs, many people choose to
continue working, finding that if they stay active and warm,
they don't stiffen up and they are able to remain functional
for a few hours or the rest of the day.
Continuing to be active after the initial injury causes your body

to produce natural pain killers like endorphins,
which gives you the illusion that you are fine.
The problem with this is that while you are not feeling much discomfort,
your injured tissues are continuously being stressed, which will increase
your pain and stiffness later on that day or the next morning.
By laying down at the first twinge of back pain,

you will minimize damage to your injured tissues.
You will also minimize inflammation, which will lead to less pain
and stiffness.
Sometimes, if the injury isn't too severe and you are able to lay down
right away, you might be totally fine as soon as you stand up.
Following this recommendation can mean the difference

between having back pain for one hour or for one week.
Please try it the next time you feel that awful pull or twinge
in your back.
Note: some people make a trip to a physical therapist,

chiropractor, or massage therapist right after injuring their backs.
Unless your injury is causing you to lose control over your urine flow
and bowel movements, I highly recommend that you first try my suggestion.
Why?
Think about all of the stress that your back faces in going for treatment.
You have to get into your car, make the drive to the office,
get out of the car, sit in the waiting room, get up onto the treatment table,
and all of the above in reverse.
Believe me, in most cases, it is far more beneficial to lay down

on your living room floor for an hour than to put your back
through all of these steps. And your floor is free.
If you still have pain or stiffness after resting right after your injury
and do not experience gradual improvement over the next few days,
that might be a good time to visit a practitioner
who can provide treatment that will hopefully help your injured tissues
heal properly.
What All People With Chronic Low Back Pain Need to Try
Do you know anyone who suffers from chronic low back pain?
As simple as it seems, many people with chronic low back pain

can improve and even fully heal their backs by doing one simple thing:
stretching their hamstrings.
Your hamstrings are the muscles that run along the back of your thighs,
from behind your knees to the bottom of your pelvis.
If your hamstrings are tight, they are causing a constant downward pull
on your pelvis.
Since your pelvis is the foundation of your lower back and spine,
having tight hamstrings contributes to an unstable lower back
and a greater chance of intermittent sprains and strains.
In my chiropractic practice, I estimate that at least 80 percent of people

who present to me with chronic lower back pain have tight hamstrings
as the root of their problem.
Even if these people have their lower backs treated on a regular basis,
they will continue to suffer from intermittent lower back pain
if they do not address their hamstring tightness.
How do you know if your hamstrings are tight?
The best way to assess hamstring length is to lie flat on your back
and have someone slowly raise one leg.
Your leg must be completely relaxed, and you must not help lift the leg
with your own muscles. If your hamstrings are at an appropriate length
for your body, your leg can be raised to 90 degrees off the ground without
any significant tightness anywhere along your hamstrings from
behind your knee to your sitting bone (pelvis).
If you start to feel tightness before 90 degrees, you know it's time to stretch!
A simple and effective way to stretch your hamstrings is to sit in a hurdler's

stretch with one leg tucked behind your bum, and one leg flat on the ground,
outstretched in front of you - and to lean forward slightly until you feel a
stretch anywhere along the back of your thigh or knee. An alternative is shown in
this picture, where your resting leg is tucked in with the foot resting on the
inner thigh of the leg being stretched.
It is important to keep your back straight, and to only go to a point

where you feel a comfortable stretch. If you experience pain,
ease back until you are comfortable.
Some people find that slinging a towel around their outstretched foot
and holding onto both ends with their hands is more comfortable
than bending forward without a towel.
Be sure to breathe while you stretch, and to do the same stretch

for your other leg.
It is best to stretch your hamstrings later on in the day, or

after a good warm up such as after a brisk walk or jog.
The key is to get lots of blood going through your muscles
before you stretch. Alternating between legs for a few minutes
each day is enough for most people.
Many people with chronic lower back pain

can experience dramatic improvement after stretching
their hamstrings on a daily basis for 1-3 months.
If you don't have lower back problems,

stretching your hamstrings everyday is an
excellent preventive measure
that will keep your lower back and pelvis
balanced for the years ahead.
Regds.
K.V.Vighnesh
Chennai-India.
mbl: 9444961820
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by.html">The Best Treatment For Acute Back Pain </A> <DIV class=post-header-line-
1></DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-
serif'">Do you know what it's like to have a sudden, sharp pain in your back <?
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content"> <DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-
SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">that you know is going
to lead to several days of terrible pain and stiffness? <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial','sans-serif'">I am very familiar with this scenario from my own experiences
with <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">back pain
and from my work as a chiropractor for many years. <BR><BR>If you know what this
feels like, then you might find what I have to say <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial','sans-serif'">next to be surprising. <BR><BR>The best thing that you can do
for yourself as soon as you feel <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
'Arial','sans-serif'">that familiar spasm or pull in your back muscles is the
following: <BR><BR>Nothing. <BR><BR>No matter what you are doing - shovelling snow,
carrying groceries, <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">painting,
laundry, or exercising <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-
serif'"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">- stop
immediately and lay down on the closest comfortable surface.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR:
black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
'Arial','sans-serif'">You want to lay down with your knees bent up so that your
feet are flat <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-
SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">on the floor, or so
that your calves are resting on several pillows or <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
'Arial','sans-serif'">on a chair. As you lay down, try to relax all of your
muscles, <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial','sans-serif'">especially the ones in your back. You can facilitate
effective relaxation <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">by taking
slow, deep breaths from your tummy. <BR><BR>Depending on how badly you have pulled
your muscles or ligaments, <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">you can
lay like this for 15 minutes or 1 hour. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
'Arial','sans-serif'"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">When you
feel very relaxed, try to get up slowly, turning on your side
black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">and using your
arms to help lift your upper body off the ground. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
'Arial','sans-serif'">Be sure to use your thigh muscles to stand up. If you feel
any pain <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">as you try to stand up, lay
down again and relax some more. <BR><BR>Following this recommendation will
significantly decrease the severity <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
'Arial','sans-serif'">of your injury, and will have you back to normal much sooner
than if <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">you had continued on with
your activities. <BR><BR>Here's why... <BR><BR>The first moment that you experience
sharp pain in your back is a signal
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">that a muscle or ligament has been
stressed beyond its natural capacity. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
'Arial','sans-serif'">From that moment on, if the muscle or ligament in question is
still being <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">asked to work, your body
will create inflammation in that area, <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
'Arial','sans-serif'">which brings pain, stiffness, and swelling.
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black;
FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Why does your body do this?
'Arial','sans-serif'">Because <B>pain, stiffness, and swelling are parts of a
</B><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">protective response that your body
uses </SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">to get you
to rest that area until it heals.</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR:
black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <BR><BR>Can you see why popping a pain
killer in this situation
COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">is not in your best interest?
'Arial','sans-serif'">If you numb yourself to pain, then you'll probably continue
black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">being active, not giving your injured
tissues a chance to rest and recover. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
'Arial','sans-serif'">This is a great way to worsen your injury and prolong your
suffering. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">And let's
not forget the negative side effects that pain killers <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
'Arial','sans-serif'">have on your stomach, liver and kidneys. <BR><BR>At the first
sign of sharp pain in their backs, many people choose to <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
'Arial','sans-serif'">continue working, finding that if they stay active and warm,
black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">they don't stiffen up and they are able
to remain functional <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">for a few
hours or the
rest of the day. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-
SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-
serif'"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Continuing to be active
after the initial injury causes your body <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
'Arial','sans-serif'">to produce natural pain killers like endorphins,
black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">which gives you the illusion that you are
fine. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
'Arial','sans-serif'">The problem with this is that while you
are not feeling much discomfort, <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
'Arial','sans-serif'">your injured tissues are continuously being stressed, which
will increase <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-
SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">your pain and
stiffness later on that day or the next morning. <BR><BR>By laying down at the
first twinge of back pain, <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">you will
minimize damage to your injured tissues. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">You will
also minimize inflammation, which will lead to less pain
COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">and stiffness.
'Arial','sans-serif'">Sometimes, if the injury isn't too severe and you are able to
lay down <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">right away, you might be
totally fine as soon as you stand up. <BR><BR></SPAN><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Following this recommendation
can mean the difference </SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black;
FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR:
red; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">between having back pain for one hour or
for one week. </SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
serif'"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Please try it the next time
you feel that awful pull or twinge </SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR:
black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial','sans-serif'">in your back.</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR:
black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <BR><BR><B>Note:</B> some people make a
trip to a physical therapist, <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR:
black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">chiropractor, or massage therapist right
after injuring their backs. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Unless your injury is
causing you to lose control over your urine flow <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
'Arial','sans-serif'">and bowel movements, I highly recommend that you first try my
suggestion. <BR><BR>Why? <BR><BR>Think about all of the stress that your back faces
in going for treatment. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">You have
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of the car, sit in the waiting room, get up onto the treatment table,
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'Arial','sans-serif'">Believe me, in most cases, it is far more beneficial to lay
down <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
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hour than to put your back <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">through
all of these steps. And your floor
is free. <BR><BR>If you still have pain or stiffness after resting right after
your injury <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">and do not experience
gradual improvement over the next few days, <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
'Arial','sans-serif'">that might be a good time to visit a practitioner
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hopefully help your injured tissues <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
'Arial','sans-serif'">heal properly. </SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial','sans-serif'"></SPAN><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: darkblue;
FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial','sans-serif'">What All People With Chronic Low Back Pain Need to
Try</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
serif'"><BR><BR><BR>Do you know anyone who suffers from chronic low back pain?
'Arial','sans-serif'">As simple as it seems, many people with chronic low back pain
black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">can improve and even fully heal their
backs by doing one simple thing: <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
'Arial','sans-serif'">stretching their hamstrings. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Your
hamstrings are the muscles that run along the back of your thighs,
black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">from behind your knees to the bottom of
your pelvis. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
'Arial','sans-serif'">If your hamstrings are tight, they are causing a constant
downward pull <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-
SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black;
FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">on your pelvis. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Since your
pelvis is the foundation of your lower back and spine, <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
'Arial','sans-serif'">having tight hamstrings contributes to an unstable lower back
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sprains and strains. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
'Arial','sans-serif'">In my chiropractic practice, I estimate that at least 80
percent of people <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-
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chronic lower back pain have tight hamstrings <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
'Arial','sans-serif'">as the root of their problem. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Even if
these people have their lower backs treated on a regular basis,
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intermittent lower back pain
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hamstring tightness. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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hamstrings are tight? <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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hamstring length is to lie flat on your back <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
'Arial','sans-serif'">and have someone slowly raise one leg.
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'Arial','sans-serif'">Your leg must be completely relaxed, and you must not help
lift the leg <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">with your own muscles. If
your hamstrings are at an appropriate length <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
'Arial','sans-serif'">for your body, your leg can be raised to 90 degrees off the
ground without <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-
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tightness anywhere along your hamstrings from <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
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sitting bone (pelvis). <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">If you
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'Arial','sans-serif'">A simple and effective way to stretch your hamstrings is to
sit in a hurdler's stretch with one leg tucked behind your bum, and one leg flat
on the ground, outstretched in front of you - and to lean forward slightly until
you feel a stretch anywhere along the back of your thigh or knee. An alternative is
shown in this picture, where your resting leg is tucked in with the foot resting on
the inner thigh of the leg being stretched. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">It is
important to keep your back straight, and
to only go to a point <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">where you
feel a comfortable stretch. If you experience pain, <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
'Arial','sans-serif'">ease back until you are comfortable. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Some
people find that slinging a towel around their outstretched foot
black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">and holding onto both ends with their
hands is more comfortable <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black;
FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">than bending forward without a towel.
'Arial','sans-serif'">Be sure to breathe while you stretch, and to do the same
stretch <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">for your other leg.
'Arial','sans-serif'">It is best to stretch your hamstrings later on in the day, or
black; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial','sans-serif'">after a good warm up such as after a brisk walk or jog.
'Arial','sans-serif'">The key is to get lots of blood going through your muscles
black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">before you stretch. Alternating between
legs for a few minutes <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">each day
is enough for most people. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
'Arial','sans-serif'">Many people with chronic lower back pain
black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">can experience dramatic improvement after
stretching <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">their hamstrings on a daily
basis for 1-3 months. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">If you don't have lower back
problems, <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">stretching your hamstrings
everyday is an <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-
SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
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'Arial','sans-serif'">that will keep your lower back and pelvis
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ahead.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR:
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Regular Health Mistakes

All of us make little health mistakes that cause damage to our bodies in
the long run - simply because we are unaware we are doing something wrong. Here
are some of the most common mistakes made by many of us.
Crossing our legs

Do you cross your legs at your knees when sitting? Although we may believe that
this is the lady-like elegant way to sit, sitting this way cuts down circulation
to your legs. If you don't want varicose veins to mar the beauty of your legs and
compromise your health, uncross your legs every time you realize you have one knee
on top of the other. The best way to sit is to simply place both legs together on
the floor, balancing your weight equally. If you feel like changing position,
instead of crossing your legs, simply move both legs together to one side. As an
alternative, you could also consider crossing your legs loosely at the ankles.
This is a classically elegant way to sit, and is far better for your legs and
your health than sitting with your legs crossed at your knees.
Not changing our toothbrush

How often do you change your toothbrush? Most of us wait until most of the
bristles have either fallen off, or are in such bad shape that we'd be
embarrassed to pull out our brush in public. However, since not many of us need to
pull out our brush in public, we carry on with our frayed one until we lose it.
Replace your toothbrush often. Damaged bristles can harm the enamel, and don't
massage your gums well. If you find brushing your teeth a pain like I do, but know
you must do it, you might as well be doing it right. Imagine going through the
annoyance of brushing your teeth twice a day only to find out that you're damaging
your enamel every time you clean your teeth. Also, use a brush with soft bristles
unless your dentist has advised otherwise.
Eating out often

There are oils that are high in cholesterol, and oils that cause little harm and
are better for your heart. However, no matter how light
the oil is, it is never a good idea to eat too much of it. Avoid fried foods.
Remember that in all probability your favorite Indian food
restaurant throws a huge, HUGE chunk of butter in a tiny bowl of dal. Rita, who
worked in the kitchen of a 5 star hotel, was shocked when she saw the cook chop a
500gm butter slab in half, and throw half into a Paneer Makhani dish. No wonder
the customers left licking their fingers. And no wonder they felt so stuffed and
heavy afterwards. Limit outdoor eating unless you know that you're getting served
light and healthy food.
Skipping breakfast
Never, ever skip breakfast. Remember, when you wake up in the morning it's been
around 10-12 hours since your last meal. Your body needs food now, more than at
any other time. Eat a heavy breakfast. You will then be busy through the day, and
the calories will get expended quickly. If you are trying to diet, eat a light
dinner. Here are some more common health mistakes we make. Being informed and
making a few changes can help make us feel a whole lot better.
High heels
High heels sure look great, but they're murder for your back. This however
doesn't mean you should steer clear of stilettos. Wear them, but not when you know
you will be walking around a lot. Wear them when going out for lunch or dinner -
when the only walking you will be doing is to your car, to the table, and back.
Avoid high heels when you are going somewhere on foot. If you are constantly
tempted to wear your heels, take a good look at your flats. Is there something
about them you dislike? Invest in a new pair of beautiful flats or shoes with a
low heel. Buy something you love, that you will enjoy wearing. If possible, get a
matching bag. You will then enjoy your flats as much as you do your heels.
Sleeping on a soft bed

You don't have to sleep on the floor be kind to your back, but do make sure you
have a firm mattress. Although a mattress on springs is soft and lovely to sink
into, it's bad for your back. If you already have an old bed with springs, you
don't need to invest in a new one - simply get a thick wooden plank put over the
springs, and place the mattress on the plank. Similarly, if your mattress is old
and lumpy, throw it out and get a new one. Your neck and your back will thank you.
The same rule applies to sofas. If you will be spending hours on a sofa, get a
firm yet comfortable one. Sofas you completely sink into are not the best idea.
Pillows
No matter how comfortable sleeping with ten cushions is, have pity on your neck
and resist. Sleep with one pillow, and make sure it is not too thick. If your
pillow gets lumpy, discard it and go for a new one. Get a thin pillow if you sleep
on your stomach, and something a little thicker if you sleep on your back, to give
your neck adequate support.
Not exercising
So all of us know we should exercise more, but many of us don't. This is a health
mistake we consciously make! And why is that? Simply because we refuse to admit
the damage we are causing to our bodies by not working out. A number of people
only start working out once they've experienced a warning signal. Don't wait for a
heart attack to strike before you decide to opt for a lifestyle change. Make the
change now. You don't need to train for the marathon to be in top shape. Half an
hour of brisk walking three to four times a week will make a world of difference
to your health. You could then increase this to forty minutes, four times a week -
and you're all set. If you haven't exercised for a week, you're making a mistake.
Regds
K.V.Vighnesh
Chennai-India.
P.S. These advices I post from my past experience with affected persons..
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href="http://homeremedyall.blogspot.com/2008/03/regular-health-
mistakes.html">Regular Health Mistakes</A> </H3> <DIV
class=post-header-line-1></DIV> <DIV class="post-body entry-content"> <DIV> <DIV
class=Section1> <DIV class=ecmsonormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">All of us
make little health mistakes that cause damage to our bodies in the long run -
simply because we are unaware we are doing something wrong. Here are some of the
most common mistakes made by many of us.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
18pt"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
18pt">Crossing our legs</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <BR>Do you cross
your legs at your knees when sitting? Although we may believe that this is the
lady-like elegant way to sit, sitting this way cuts down circulation to your legs.
If you don't want varicose veins to mar the beauty of
your legs and compromise your health, uncross your legs every time you realize
you have one knee on top of the other. The best way to sit is to simply place both
legs together on the floor, balancing your weight equally. If you feel like
changing position, instead of crossing your legs, simply move both legs together
to one side. As an alternative, you could also consider crossing your legs loosely
at the ankles. This is a classically elegant way to sit, and is far better for
your legs and your health than sitting with your legs crossed at your
knees.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
9pt"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt">Not changing our
toothbrush</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <BR>How often do you change your
toothbrush? Most of us wait until most of the bristles have either fallen off, or
are in such bad shape that we'd be
embarrassed to pull out our brush in public. However, since not many of us need
to pull out our brush in public, we carry on with our frayed one until we lose
it. Replace your toothbrush often. Damaged bristles can harm the enamel, and
don't massage your gums well. If you find brushing your teeth a pain like I do,
but know you must do it, you might as well be doing it right. Imagine going
through the annoyance of brushing your teeth twice a day only to find out that
you're damaging your enamel every time you clean your teeth. Also, use a brush
with soft bristles unless your dentist has advised otherwise.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt">Eating out often</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt"><BR>There are oils that are high in cholesterol, and oils that cause little
harm and are better for your
heart. However, no matter how light<BR>the oil is, it is never a good idea to
eat too much of it. Avoid fried foods. Remember that in all probability your
favorite Indian food<BR>restaurant throws a huge, HUGE chunk of butter in a tiny
bowl of dal. Rita, who worked in the kitchen of a 5 star hotel, was shocked when
she saw the cook chop a 500gm butter slab in half, and throw half into a Paneer
Makhani dish. No wonder the customers left licking their fingers. And no wonder
they felt so stuffed and heavy afterwards. Limit outdoor eating unless you know
that you're getting served light and healthy food.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
18pt">Skipping breakfast</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR>Never, ever skip
breakfast. Remember, when you wake up in the morning it's been around 10-12 hours
since your last
meal. Your body needs food now, more than at any other time. Eat a heavy
breakfast. You will then be busy through the day, and the calories will get
expended quickly. If you are trying to diet, eat a light dinner. Here are some
more common health mistakes we make. Being informed and making a few changes can
help make us feel a whole lot better.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><?
XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=ecmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt">High heels </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR>High
heels sure look great, but they're murder for your back. This however doesn't
mean you should steer clear of stilettos. Wear them, but not when you know you
will be walking around a lot. Wear them when going out for lunch or dinner - when
the only walking you will be doing is to your car, to the table, and back. Avoid
high heels when you are going
somewhere on foot. If you are constantly tempted to wear your heels, take a good
look at your flats. Is there something about them you dislike? Invest in a new
pair of beautiful flats or shoes with a low heel. Buy something you love, that you
will enjoy wearing. If possible, get a matching bag. You will then enjoy your
flats as much as you do your heels.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
18pt">Sleeping on a soft bed</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR>You don't
have to sleep on the floor be kind to your back, but do make sure you have a firm
mattress. Although a mattress on springs is soft and lovely to sink into, it's bad
for your back. If you already have an old bed with springs, you don't need to
invest in a new one - simply get a thick wooden plank put over the springs, and
place the mattress on the plank. Similarly, if your
mattress is old and lumpy, throw it out and get a new one. Your neck and your
back will thank you. The same rule applies to sofas. If you will be spending
hours on a sofa, get a firm yet comfortable one. Sofas you completely sink into
are not the best idea.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt"><BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt">Pillows</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR>No matter how comfortable sleeping with ten cushions
is, have pity on your neck and resist. Sleep with one pillow, and make sure it is
not too thick. If your pillow gets lumpy, discard it and go for a new one. Get a
thin pillow if you sleep on your stomach, and something a little thicker if you
sleep on your back, to give your neck adequate support.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-
SIZE: 18pt"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-
SIZE: 18pt">Not exercising</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <BR>So all of us know we should exercise more, but many
of us don't. This is a health mistake we consciously make! And why is that? Simply
because we refuse to admit the damage we are causing to our bodies by not working
out. A number of people only start working out once they've experienced a warning
signal. Don't wait for a heart attack to strike before you decide to opt for a
lifestyle change. Make the change now. You don't need to train for the marathon to
be in top shape. Half an hour of brisk walking three to four times a week will
make a world of difference to your health. You could then increase this to forty
minutes, four times a week - and you're all set. If you haven't exercised for a
week, you're making a mistake.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=ecmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Regds</SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=ecmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">K.V.Vighnesh</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=ecmsonormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Chennai-India.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=ecmsonormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">yahoo id: <A
href="mailto:kvvighnesh@..."><FONT color=#ff0000>kvvighnesh</FONT>@...</A>
</SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=ecmsonormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">P.S. These
advices I post from my past experience with affected
persons..</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV><p>

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Right time and right place.
Dear K.V.Vighnesh ji, Namaskar=
First of all let me thank you for the provided information.

If time and s=
pace synchronizes nothing can stand before it. Hence I
earnestly request t=
he people at least to choose the correct place,
if not time to get more ef=
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their hard work like the informatio=
n provided by Vignesh Ji.
If it is not so then the collective information l=
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annoying others like popups while browsing for messages.
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wrote:
>
> Home Remedies for GOUT
> =
GOUT
>
> Gout is a strange disease, which is not in any way rel=
ated to
other forms of the bone disease. It is a metabolic disorder. Gout =
occurs more frequently in males, usually in middle life.

>
> Gout te=
nds to run in families. In all cases there is too much
uric acid in the bl=
ood. This excess uric acid is deposited in some
of the soft tissues of the=
body and also around certain joints. This
results in painful swellings, k=
nown as tophi, which are most likely
to develop in cartilage, such as in t=
he outer ear. They also occur
in the synovial membranes of such joints as =
the knees and ankles and
particularly the big toe and also in various tend=
ons and bursae.
Even the ends of some bones may be invaded by these tophi.=
>
> This may be the result of wearing ill-fitting shoes or tight
gl=
oves. It may also follow a heavy meal, or overindulgence in rich
foods or =
alcohol. It sometimes comes on after a surgical operation,
or after an acu=
te infection of the nose or throat. Severe pain may
develop at the base of=
the big toe, usually in the middle of the
night. Several joints, such as =
the ankle or knee, may also be
affected at the same time.
>
> The pa=
in becomes more severe as fluid collects in the joint
space and in the sur=
rounding soft tissues. The skin is tense, hot,
and shining, and is of a re=
d or purplish color. The patient is
likely to have chills and fever, a rap=
id pulse, and feelings of
general weakness. Severe attacks may continue fo=
r several weeks,
milder attacks usually last only a few days. Repeated att=
acks may
occur each year, gradually becoming more severe and prolonged.
> =
> Any person suffering from acute joint pain who is otherwise
health=
y should be tested for gout. There are times when gout may
stimulate rheum=
atic fever, but this disease is more likely to attack
larger joints, while=
gout tends to involve the smaller joints.
> Gout Symptoms Acute pain in=
the toe, swelling The most common
Gout symptom is acute pain in the big =
toe, which becomes tender,
hot, and swollen in a few hours. It may also si=
milarly affect other
joints such as the knees and wrists, and sometimes mo=
re than one
joint may be affected at a time. The attack, usually occurs at=
midnight or in the early hours of the morning when the patient is

sudden=
ly awakened. The acute attack generally lasts for a week or
so. During thi=
s period, the patient may run a slight fever, and feel
disinclined to eat.=
A serious complication of gout is the presence
of kidney stones containin=
g uric acid. In some cases the kidneys get
damaged and do not function pro=
perly.
> Causes of Gout Gout caused due to Uric Acid Crystals One of
=
main causes of gout is the formation of uric acid crystals in the
joints, =
skin, and kidneys. Uric acid is an end product of the body's
chemical proc=
esses. Those affected by gout have a higher level of
uric acid in the bloo=
d than the normal, due either to formation of
increased amounts or reduced=
amounts of acid being passed out by the
kidneys in the urine. This uric a=
cid usually remains dissolved in
the blood. But when the blood becomes too=
full of it, the uric acid
forms needle-shaped crystals in the joints whic=
h bring about attacks
of gout.
> Excessive alcohol, heredity, rich foods=
, lack of exercise also
causes gout Other causes of gout are heredity, al=
coholic drinks,
regular eating of foods rich in protein and carbohydrate, =
lack of
proper exercise, and stress.
> HOME REMEDIES FOR GOUT Treating=
gout using Cherry The cherry,
sweet or sour, is considered in effective =
treating gout. To start
with, the patient should consume about fifteen to =
twenty five
cherries a day. Thereafter, about ten cherries a day will keep=
the
ailment under control. While fresh cherries are best, canned
cherrie=
s can also be used occasionally.
> Gout treatment using Vegetable Juices =
Raw vegetable juices are
used for gout treatment. Carrot juice, in combin=
ation with the
juices of beet and cucumber, is especially valuable. Beet j=
uice -
100 ml and cucumber juice - 100 ml should be mixed with 300 ml of
=
carrot juice to make 500 ml of combined juice and taken daily
> Treating =
Gout using French Beans The juice of French or string
beans has also prov=
ed effective in treating gout. About 150 ml of
this juice should be taken =
daily by the patient suffering from this
disease.
> Cure for Gout using =
Apple Apples are regarded as an excellent
source for curing gout. The mal=
ic acid contained in them is believed
to neutralise the uric acid and affo=
rd relief to gout sufferers. The
patient is advised to take one apple afte=
r each meal.
> Gout relief using Banana Bananas have been found benefici=
al in
the treatment of gout. A diet of bananas only for three or four days=
is advised for providing some relief from gout. A patient can take
eight=
or nine bananas daily during this period and nothing else.
> Treating go=
ut using Lime Lime is also used as a source in
treating gout. Vitamin C i=
s known to prevent and cure sore joints by
strengthening the connective ti=
ssues of the body. The citric acid
found in lime is a solvent of the uric =
acid which is the primary
cause of this disease. The juice of half a lime,=
squeezed into a
glass of water, should be taken twice daily.
>
> =
Avoid alcohol , protein , heavy foods , coffee and soft drinks
in your die=
t. These foods cause uric acid levels to rise.
> Simple sugars, simpl=
e carbohydrates and saturated fats - they
increase your body's production =
of uric acid and impair your
kidneys' ability to get rid of it. Eliminate =
fructose (found in food
and drinks, like sodas).
> For natural gout =
treatment, eat foods high in potassium
> Lemon juice prevents gout at=
tacks by stimulating the formation
of calcium carbonate in the body.
> =
Taking =BD teaspoon of baking soda with meals will prevent gout
attacks=
. This will help alkalize the body.
> Press and massage between the b=
all of the foot and the bottom
of the big toe on each foot; then on the le=
ft foot only, stimulate a
point halfway between the base of the little toe=
and the heel pad.
> Alfalfa is a good source of minerals and other n=
utrients that
help reduce serum uric acid.
> For natural gout treatm=
ent, add some rose hips to vinegar and
boil; apply on affected area.
> =
Prepare a mixture by adding two teaspoons each of apple cider
vinegar a=
nd raw honey in a glass of water and drink at mealtime.
> Soak the fo=
ot in a mixture of =BD cup of apple cider vinegar and
three cups of hot wa=
ter.
> Get some natural, concentrated black cherry juice and drink
s=
everal tablespoons of the concentrate daily.
> Blueberries are high i=
n anti-inflammatory compounds called
anthocyanins, which help to relieve t=
he pain of gout.
> Buchu tea helps dissolve and flush out uric acid c=
rystals.
> Soak a piece of white flannel in warm castor oil, wring it=
out
and place over the affected area; cover with plastic wrap and apply
=
a heating pad. Do this for one hour twice daily.
> Boil one tablespoo=
n of pepper in 1 cup of vinegar and 1 cup of
water and apply on the painfu=
l joint.
> Cook a tablespoon of celery seeds in two cups of water unt=
il
they are soft; strain and drink 1/2 cup four times a day.
> Take =
=BD-1 teaspoon of activated charcoal daily. This is very
effective home re=
medy for gout.
> Prepare a poultice using =BD cup of activated charco=
al, 3
tablespoons of ground flaxseed and warm water to excrete toxins from=
the body.
> Eat several cloves of raw garlic daily.
> Put 1/3=
cup of ground ginger in a bathtub of water and soak for
30 minutes. This =
will cause you to sweat, which will help eliminate
the uric acid from your=
tissues.
> Grapes are high in alkalines, which lessen the acidity of=
uric
acid and helps in its elimination from the body.
> Apply an ic=
e pack for ten minutes, and then alternate with a
moist hot-towel compress=
, to soothe and numb the pain.
> Soak mullein leaves in a hot vinegar=
/water mixture. Pack the
leaves on the affected area.
> Prepare a po=
ultice of spearmint leaves and wrap the affected
area. This is also very e=
ffective home remedy for gout.
> Eating a cup of strawberries with ea=
ch meal should bring quick
relief. They neutralize uric acid.
> Prep=
are a tea by using equal parts of yarrow and stinging
nettles; strain, coo=
l and drink several cups a day.
> Eat an apple after every meal. This=
is very helpful in natural
cure for gout.
> Take the juice of =BD a=
lime in 1 glass of water. Drink this
morning, noon and night.
> Ext=
ract =BD a cup of juice of French beans (String beans). Drink
this juice e=
veryday for a month.
> Apply a frozen cabbage leaf to the area and co=
ver with a dry
towel. Leave in place until the leaf thaws out and repeat. =
> Drinking lots of water will help kidneys flush out the excess
uric=
acid.
> Meats having high protein content, such as fish (herrings,
=
salmons and sardines), sweet bread, liver, kidney, milk extracts and
meat =
soup should be avoided.
> Gout Diet
> Fast of Orange juice and water =
For an acute attack, there is no
better remedy than a fast of orange juice=
and water. In severe
cases, it is advisable to undertake a series of shor=
t fasts for
three days or so rather than one long fast.
> All fruit diet=
After the acute symptoms subside, the patient
may adopt an all fruit die=
t for another three or four days.
> Natural food diet Thereafter, he may=
gradually embark upon a
well-balanced diet of natural foods, with emphasi=
s on fresh fruits,
raw vegetables, and sprouts.
> Avoid purine and acid =
producing foods The patient should avoid
all purine and uric acid-produci=
ng foods such as all meats, eggs,
and fish; tea, coffee, sugar, white flou=
r and its products; and all
canned, processed, and fried foods.
> Other =
Gout Treatment Warm water enema A warm-water enema
should be used daily =
during the period of fasting to cleanse the
bowels.
> Epsom salt bath E=
psom salts foot baths are advised twice daily.
About 250 gm - 500gm of the=
se salts may be added to tolerably hot
water for this purpose. Full Epsom =
salt baths should also be taken
three times a week. The baths may be reduc=
ed to two per week later.
> Cold packs, fresh air, exercise, reduced stre=
ss Cold packs,
applied to the affected joints at night, will be beneficia=
l. Fresh
air and outdoor exercise are also essential. The patient should
=
eliminate as much stress from his life as possible
> Regds.
> K.V.Vighn=
esh
> Chennai-India
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> yahoo id: kvvighnesh@...
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Dear Narasimha rao garu
Many pranams , found the group searching for other=

messages on the
vedic astrology groups .At the very beginning let me than=
k you for
the great work you are doing both with the mp3 classes on astrol=
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and with the ganapathi homam making it easily accessible to the
spiri=
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My questions might seem very rudimentary , hopefully none o=

f the
learned members take offense if any mistakes are committed.
1. In=
the Shrividya worship of the goddess , We even find
Dhumavathi , Bhagalam=
ukhi and Smashantaara...I have read previous
explanations of Sanjay ji and=
other SJC gurus giving one form of
interpretation of Smashaan tara as Bha=
va Taarini(one who takes us
across the ocean of the world ) ...
Yet the f=
orm of the goddess itself is awe and fear inspiring....but
to sever the mo=
re grosser afflictions like lust and
anger ...probably feel the great kind=
mother has taken various
forms...
The question I have specifically is t=

his..just like a child who
plays with fire...If a devotee chooses the ugra=
roopa of the goddes
but still prays with a sincere heart...will he still =
be punished by
a misprounciation of the mantras.
2.My second question i=

s related to the first one....Right from the
Pancharatra school of worship=
system followed in major temples in
India ...Which is one the factor that=
gives strength to Prayer..
Is it emotion that gives strength and directio=

n to prayer...or is it
the proper prounciation ,gotra pravara information =
and the strict
rules...
If a devotee is very sincere but does not know t=

he proper rules , by
taking part in a puja method involving bija mantras w=
ill he still
get the benefit.
3.The third question is with respect to V=

imalananda and the Aghora
books ....I agree with you they have been writte=
n by a rishi , but
one doubt keeps on nagging my mind.
Dr Robert Svoboda =
who is also on the academic list of the American
Ayurvedic Institute in Ne=
w Mexico serving along with Dr Vasant lad
who is a respected name in Ayurv=
eda in America styled this books on
the style of carlos castaneda , castan=
eda's books are very popular ,
take a similar cryptic style of teaching wh=
ere is suddenly abducted
by a mexican shaman...Svoboda even refers to this=
fact in the
preface where he does not explicity say it is true or false :=
) he
leaves it to the readers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Castan=
eda
Coming back to my questions...Most of the theory in the books seems

=
very well grounded....
But many examples do not seem to tally .....
1.In =
the book on karma he gives the example of a snake eaten by a
thousand ants=
which are again reborn as a fisherman at whose hands
those thousand ants =
now reborn as fish die...
:) But animals do not accumulate karma since the=

y are only following
their nature ......
2.He gives the example of Akbar=

(have followed the previous messages)
Akbar might have been a huge depart=

ure from his bloodthirsty
ancestors.
1.So was Hemu the hindu king who fou=

ght valiantly...it was only a
stroke of luck that delivered the throne to =
Akbar.Some of the more
balanced historians have written of the battle (R C=
Majumdar for
example in his book History of the mughals)
2.Akbar for al=

l his magnanimity never got one of his daughters
married in reverse to the=
rajputs.
3.Jiziyah was still not lifted in akbar's regime ...only the pi=
lgrim
tax was abolished.
4.Rana Pratap the bravest of the brave fought a=

kbar all his
life...he fought for the people of mewar not for his personal=
pride.
:) Akabar could not defeat Rana pratap even after 30 yrs...
Now i=
n my eyes Rana Pratap was a true king ...much more kind , much
more brave =
.
Still Vimalananda praises him in the book....The book no doubt has

m=
any gems but still attempts a very simiplistic explanation of
karma .
I c=
an understand from a pure point of historical interest , the nath
panthis =
were always outside society , in the 1500,1600 ,1700 era
they mixed freely=
with the sufis so can understand the influence and
acceptance .....
I m=
ight differ strongly on the historical questions which anyhow
would not be=
relevant to this group ,a lot of proof can be furnished
on rana pratap an=
d his battles with akbar but that would be an
altogether different topic ,=
my primary focus was maybe the books
have to be taken with a pinch of sal=
t...
But the rest would be more than willing to learn from the group .=
Regards
Vivek
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Home Remedies for HANGOVERS HANGOVERS
What is a hangover?
A hangover, medically known as veisalgia, is caused due to the consumption of large

amounts of alcohol or some other drug. Hangover is most commonly associated with
the after-effects of large consumption of alcohol. This article summarizes the
cures and remedies available for alcohol hangovers.
Hangovers are caused by drinking too much ALCOHOL at one time, and are dependent
on each person s tolerance level for alcohol. It can be based on height, weight,
and the genetics of a person. Hangover symptoms last only about 24 hours.
The main symptom of a hangover is dehydration and drinking plenty of water can
minimize. A headache is a symptom of dehydration and may be relieved by drinking
water. Drinking too much alcohol decreases the essential nutrients of the body such
as vitamins, minerals, water, and blood sugar.
Some of the important symptoms of hangover are headache, nausea, intestinal
upset, and perhaps diarrhea, aches in the muscles and joints, and fatigue. Some
alcohol is worse than others - Brandy, red wine, rum, whisky, white wine, gin and
vodka
Some alcoholics drink more or less steadily, others drink only when under stress
or anxiety. Some drink in excess and destroy themselves rapidly. Alcohol often
destroys the liver, causing hepatic cirrhosis. It produces gastritis or
inflammation of the stomach. Their effect upon the brain is even more marked.
Alcohol makes the heart weak and flabby. Some alcoholics may develop the symptoms
of peripheral neuritis in which the nerves become weakened and deteriorated.
Alcohol in any form may cause intoxication if enough has been taken. It is
responsible for many deaths. The alcoholic who is dead drunk can be allowed to
sleep off his stupor. This may one or two days. But the man who is half drunk is
often violent, and may not be restrained. Young people should avoid the use of
alcohol in any form. Many people suffer from a severe headache due to hangover
after taking large quantities of alcohol. Alcohol is toxic to the tissues and
directly irritates the meninges and coverings
of the brain, thus causing pain in the head. The alcohol also dilates the arteries
in the brain, and this produces a pain. The best treatment for this type of
headache is to avoid the excessive use of alcohol in any form.
Hangovers symptoms
Dry mouth
Your mouth will feel very dry and you will feel that strong urge for wetting your
tongue and throat.
Headache remedy using Cinnamon
Heads feels very heavy and sometime here could be throbbing and painful. You feel
sleepy and drowsy.
Bloodshot eyes
Your eyes may look swollen and will be slightly or very red in color. Your eyes
may also dislike exposure to light.
Nausea and vomiting
Strange sensation in the stomach with a feeling of nausea and vomiting.
Dizzy feeling
You feel drowsy when you wake up. There is a very strong urge of going back to
sleep.
Hangover causes
Excessive alcohol consumption
Ethyl alcohol or ethanol causes a lot of dehydration which causes your mouth to
go dry and also is responsible for the headaches.
HOME REMEDIES FOR HANGOVERS
Hangover cure using water
Consume a lot of water before you go to bed. This should provide some relief to
the dehydrating effects of alcohol. Drink lots of water even after you wake up.
Hangover remedy: eat some food
Its a good practice to eat something while and after your are drinking. This
helps reduce the rate at which alcohol enters your blood and thus can help reduce
the after-effects.
Hangover remedy: Vitamin C
Take vitamin C tablets. These help break down the alcohol content in your body.
A large glass of orange juice or tomato juice will help to remove the alcohol
from the system the morning after.
Honey is a very concentrated source of fructose, and eating a little the morning
after is another way to remove the remaining alcohol from the body.
Amino acids play a role in repairing the effects of a hangover.
Few cup of coffee can do a great deal to relieve the headaches associated with
hangovers.
Take Vitamin C as it may increase the rate of alcohol breakdown in the body.
For hangover treatment, drink plenty of water to cover the deficiency of fluids
caused by dehydration
Bouillon soup or sports beverages (i.e. Gatorade) may help to replace depleted
salt and potassium.
Eating 6 raw almonds before consuming alcohol helps prevent intoxication.
Put a teaspoon of bifidus powder in a glass of water and drink before going to
bed.
Evening primrose oil helps prevent hangovers. Take two teaspoons.
Eating peanut butter before drinking is an African remedy.
To help stop the urge for alcohol drink a tangy drink, such as tomato with the
juice of one lemon added.
A good, brisk walk will increase circulation and help to get rid of your
hangover by helping the body rid itself of toxins.
For hangover treatment, apples eaten on an empty stomach the day after drinking
is an effective.
One of the quickest ways to cure a hangover is to make a banana milkshake
sweetened with honey.
Chicken soup, seems to work as well for hangover problems as it does for colds.
Add the juice of one lemon to a cup of black coffee and drink it without sugar
and without milk.
Add two teaspoons of fresh limejuice and a teaspoon of sugar to 8 ounces of
water. Drink it slowly.
Make a tea by pouring one cup of boiling water over 1-2 teaspoons of the dried
peppermint; cover; steep for fifteen minutes; strain. Drink 1-2 cups as soon as you
can. Peppermint either in tea or chewing leaves as such will relax the intestines
and this is very effevtive home remedy for hangovers.
Prickly pear cactus (Opuntia ficus indica) extract has been found to relieve
hangover nausea and dry mouth.
Eat raw cabbage to give relief to the headache.
Drink sauerkraut juice with some tomato juice. This drink helps to replace lost
nutrients.
Pull your hair in clumps so that your full scalp is stimulated. This remedy
brings blood to the scalp and relieves the headache.
Prepare a tea by lightly crushing five fresh or dried leaves; place in a cup and
fill with water cooled to just below boiling; cover and leave to infuse for five
minutes; remove leaves and drink. This is also very effevtive home remedy for
hangovers
Putting anything in the stomach prior to indulging in alcohol helps prevent a
hangover.
Never skip breakfast, especially when hangover. The classic eggs and toast is
the best breakfast.
Suggestions to avoid hangovers
Never drink on an empty stomach. Food helps to absorb some of the alcohol and
aids the body in digesting it faster.
Try to eat starchy foods to slow down the alcohol absorption.
Limit yourself to less than 1 drink per hour.
Try to alternate your alcoholic drinks with nonalcoholic beverages such as water
Stick to non-carbonated drinks as carbonation can speed up the alcohol absorption.
Try to avoid sweet drinks (and sugary foods) while you drink. The sweet taste of
the drink can make it difficult for you to judge how much alcohol you re actually
consuming.
Regds
K.V.Vighnesh
Chennai.
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important symptoms of <B>hangover</B> are headache, nausea, intestinal upset, and
perhaps diarrhea, aches in the muscles and joints, and fatigue. Some alcohol is
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stress or anxiety. Some drink in excess and destroy themselves rapidly. Alcohol
often destroys the liver, causing hepatic cirrhosis. It produces gastritis or
inflammation of the stomach. Their effect upon the brain is even more marked.
Alcohol makes the heart weak and flabby. Some alcoholics may develop the symptoms
of peripheral neuritis in which the nerves become weakened and deteriorated.
Alcohol in any form may cause intoxication if enough has been taken. It is
responsible for many deaths. The alcoholic who is dead drunk can be allowed to
sleep off his stupor. This may one or two days. But the man who is half drunk is
often violent, and may not be restrained. Young people should avoid the use of
alcohol in any form. Many people suffer from a severe headache due to hangover
after taking large quantities of alcohol. Alcohol is toxic to the tissues and
directly irritates the meninges and
coverings of the brain, thus causing pain in the head. The alcohol also dilates
the arteries in the brain, and this produces a pain. The best treatment for this
type of headache is to avoid the excessive use of alcohol in any form. </SPAN><SPAN
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black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in
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auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans
MS'">Heads feels very heavy and sometime here could be throbbing and painful. You
feel sleepy and drowsy. </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div>
<div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt;
size=3><B><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Bloodshot
eyes</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div
#7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Your eyes may look swollen and will be
slightly or very red in color. Your eyes may also dislike exposure to light.
</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-
margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT size=3><B><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY:
'Comic Sans MS'">Nausea and vomiting</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt;
mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Strange sensation in the
stomach with a feeling of nausea and vomiting. </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
size=3><B><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Dizzy
feeling</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div
#7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">You feel drowsy when you wake up. There is a
very strong urge of going back to sleep. </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center;
mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" align=center><B><U><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Hangover
causes</SPAN></U></B><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div
alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT size=3><B><SPAN style="COLOR:
#0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Excessive alcohol
consumption</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
#7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Ethyl alcohol or ethanol causes a lot of
dehydration which causes your mouth to go dry and also is responsible for the
headaches.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div
class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT:
14.4pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-
SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
13.5pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">HOME REMEDIES FOR HANGOVERS
</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div
#0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Hangover cure using water</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal
margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY:
'Comic Sans MS'">Consume a lot of water before you go to bed. This should provide
some relief to the dehydrating effects of alcohol. Drink lots of water even after
you wake up.</SPAN><SPAN
MS'">Hangover remedy: eat some food</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
MS'">Its a good practice to eat something while and after your are drinking. This
helps reduce the rate at which alcohol enters your blood and thus can help reduce
the after-effects.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div
#0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans
MS'">Hangover remedy: Vitamin C</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
MS'">Take vitamin C tablets. These help break down the alcohol content in your
body.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <UL type=disc>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt;
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tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY:
'Comic Sans MS'">A large glass of orange juice or tomato juice will help to remove
the alcohol from the system the morning after. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI
class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt; mso-
margin-top-alt: auto;
mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Honey is a
very concentrated source of fructose, and eating a little the morning after is
another way to remove the remaining alcohol from the body. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI>
'Comic Sans MS'">Amino acids play a role in repairing the effects of a hangover.
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR:
black; LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;
mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Few cup of coffee can do a great deal
to
relieve the headaches associated with hangovers. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI
margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-
stops: list .5in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic
Sans MS'">Take Vitamin C as it may increase the rate of alcohol breakdown in the
body. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt;
COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">For <B>hangover treatment</B>, drink
plenty of water to cover the deficiency of fluids caused by dehydration
mso-list: l0
level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f;
FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Bouillon soup or sports beverages (i.e. Gatorade) may
help to replace depleted salt and potassium. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI
Sans MS'">Eating 6 raw almonds before consuming alcohol helps prevent intoxication.
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Put a teaspoon of bifidus powder in a
glass of water and drink before going to bed. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI
class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt; mso-margin-top-alt:
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list .5in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans
MS'">Evening primrose oil helps prevent hangovers. Take two teaspoons.
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Eating peanut butter before drinking
is an African remedy. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:
0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">To help stop
the urge for alcohol drink a
tangy drink, such as tomato with the juice of one lemon added.
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">A good, brisk walk will increase
circulation and help to get rid of your hangover by helping the body rid itself of
toxins. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt;
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">For <B>hangover treatment</B>, apples
eaten on an empty stomach the day after drinking is an effective.
black; LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt;
'Comic Sans MS'">One of the quickest ways to cure a hangover is to make a banana
milkshake sweetened with honey. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal
MS'">Chicken soup, seems to work as well for hangover problems as it does for
colds. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt;
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Add the juice of one lemon to a cup
of black coffee and
drink it without sugar and without milk. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI
Sans MS'">Add two teaspoons of fresh limejuice and a teaspoon of sugar to 8 ounces
of water. Drink it slowly. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal
MS'">Make a tea by pouring one cup of boiling water over 1-2 teaspoons of the dried
peppermint; cover; steep for fifteen minutes; strain. Drink 1-2 cups as soon as you
can. Peppermint either in tea or chewing leaves as such will relax the intestines
and this is very effevtive
<B>home remedy for hangovers</B>. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal
MS'">Prickly pear cactus (<B>Opuntia ficus indica</B>) extract has been found to
relieve hangover nausea and dry mouth. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal
MS'">Eat raw cabbage to give relief to the headache. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI
stops: list .5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Drink
sauerkraut juice with some tomato juice. This drink helps to replace lost
nutrients. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt;
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"> Pull your hair in clumps so that
your full scalp is stimulated. This remedy brings blood to the scalp and relieves
the headache. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in
0pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Prepare a tea
by lightly crushing five fresh or dried leaves; place in a cup and fill with water
cooled to just below
boiling; cover and leave to infuse for five minutes; remove leaves and drink. This
is also very effevtive <B>home remedy for hangovers</B> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI>
'Comic Sans MS'">Putting anything in the stomach prior to indulging in alcohol
helps prevent a hangover. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal
MS'">Never skip breakfast, especially when hangover. The classic eggs and toast is
the best breakfast.</SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">
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hangovers</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
#7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Never drink on an empty stomach. Food helps
to absorb some of the alcohol and aids the body in digesting it faster. <BR><BR>Try
to eat starchy foods to slow down the alcohol absorption. <BR><BR>Limit yourself to
less than 1 drink per hour. <BR><BR>Try to alternate your alcoholic drinks with
nonalcoholic beverages such as water <BR><BR>Stick to non-carbonated drinks as
carbonation can speed up the alcohol absorption. <BR><BR>Try to avoid sweet drinks
(and sugary foods) while you
drink. The sweet taste of the drink can make it difficult for you to judge how
much alcohol you re actually consuming.</SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal
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INCREASE HEIGHT AND WEIGHT
The bone structure must remain elastic if one is to become taller. One must take
exercise regularly. I suggest the following exercises will help one gain height:
(i) Stand in an open space in attention position. In hale deeply through the
nose and extend yours arms lifting then slowly up to your shoulders. Keep your arms
straight. Hold that position for some time and then take the arms backwards as far
as they will go. No inhale again the release your breath slowly, resuming the
former position.
(ii) Stand with your arms straight at right angles to your body. Lift the arms
vertically and then bring them to the level of the shoulders. Do not exhale in the
process, but stand on your toes, lifting your heels as far as they will go. Exhale
slowly after some moments and resume the earlier position.
(iii) Extend your arms forward up to the level of the shoulders. Inhale and fill
your lungs to about one-third of their capacity. Wait for a few moments and then
take your arms above your head. Now move them in a circular motion-taking them
behind your back and in the former position again. Exhale slowly.
How can one increase weight?
Take to a diet for three to four days. Take 100 to 150 grams of bran with the
fruits. The best way will be to mix bran with a fruit like papaya. It will increase
appetite, improve the digestion and remove costiveness, if any. One will tend to
eat more and the capacity to assimilate food will be increased.
Foods like flour, rice honey, raisins, figs, dates, butter, and etc. can help
increase weight. Sweat substances can increase weight than fatty foods. Those
wishing to increase their weight should become pure vegetarians and eat fruits,
rice, flour, fresh vegetables, bananas, dry fruits, butter, and milk. Germinated
wheat is also extremely beneficial if taken in the form of gruel mixed with hot
milk.
Take plenty of water, exercise and fast once a week
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bone structure must remain elastic if one is to become taller. One must take
exercise regularly. I suggest the following exercises will help one gain height:
<BR> (i) Stand in an open space in attention position. In hale deeply through
the nose and extend yours arms lifting then slowly up to your shoulders. Keep your
arms straight. Hold that position for some time and then take the arms backwards as
far as they will go. No inhale again the release your breath slowly, resuming the
former position. <BR>(ii) Stand with your arms straight at right angles to your
body. Lift the arms vertically and then bring them to the level of the shoulders.
Do not exhale in the process, but stand on your toes, lifting your heels as far as
they will go. Exhale slowly after some moments and resume the earlier position.
<BR>(iii) Extend your arms forward up to the level of the shoulders. Inhale and
fill your lungs to about one-third of their capacity. Wait for a few moments and
then take your arms above your head. Now move them in a circular motion-taking them
behind your back and in the former position again. Exhale slowly. <BR> How can one
increase weight? <BR>Take to a diet for three to four days. Take 100 to 150 grams
of bran with the fruits. The best way will be to mix bran with a fruit like papaya.
It will increase appetite, improve the digestion and remove costiveness, if any.
One will tend to eat more and the capacity to assimilate food will be increased.
<BR> Foods like flour, rice honey, raisins, figs, dates, butter, and etc. can help
increase weight. Sweat substances can increase weight than fatty foods. Those
wishing to increase their weight should become pure vegetarians and eat fruits,
rice, flour, fresh vegetables, bananas, dry fruits, butter, and milk. Germinated
wheat is also extremely beneficial if taken in the form of gruel mixed with hot
milk. <BR> Take plenty of water, exercise and fast once a week</DIV><p>
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Home Remedies for TONSILLITIS TONSILLITIS

Tonsillitis refers to acute inflammation of the tonsils, which lie, one on each
side of the throat. Chronic tonsillitis is a term applied to cases in which there
is enlargement of the tonsils accompanied by repeated attacks of infection
Tonsillitis symptoms
Fever, Headache, body parts pain and general weakness The main symptoms of
tonsillitis are sore throat, fever, headache, pain in various parts of the body,
difficulty in swallowing, and general weakness. The tonsils are seen to be inflamed
and red when the mouth is opened wide. In many cases, spots of pus exude from them
Tonsillar lymph glands gets tender and enlarged Externally, the tonsillar lymph
glands, which lie just behind the angle of the jaw, are tender and enlarged. In
severe cases, there may be pain in the ear.
Pain in the throat (sometimes severe) that may last more than 48 hours and be
associated with difficulty in swallowing. The pain may spread to the ears.
The throat is reddened, the tonsils are swollen and may be coated or have white
spots on them.
Possibly a high temperature.
Swollen lymph glands under the jaw and in the neck.
Headache.
Loss of voice or changes in the voice.
Tonsillitis causes Toxic condition of the system, throat affliction and sudden
chill The chief cause of tonsillitis is a toxic condition of the system, which is
brought to a head by a sudden lowering of vitality, resulting from exposure and
sudden chill. The tonsils enlarge and get inflamed when the toxins cannot be got
rid of through the normal channels of elimination such as the bowels, kidneys, and
skin. A throat affliction of this kind is also associated with and is the result of
chronic constipation, when toxins are reabsorbed into the bloodstream
Home Remedies for Tonsillitis
Tonsillitis treatment using Lime Lime is one of the most effective remedies in
the treatment of acute tonsillitis. A fresh lime squeezed in a glass of warm water,
with four teaspoons of honey and a quarter teaspoon of common salt, should be
sipped slowly in such cases
Tonsillitis treatment using Milk Milk has been found valuable in tonsillitis. A
glass of pure boiled milk, mixed with a pinch uf turmeric powder and pepper powder,
should be taken every night for three nights in the treatment of this condition. It
will bring beneficial results
Tonsillitis treatment using Vegetable Juices Juices of carrot, beet, and
cucumber, taken individually or in combination, are especially beneficial. The
formula proportion recommended, when used in combination is 300 ml of carrot juice,
100 ml of beet juice, and 100 ml of cucumber juice
Tonsillitis treatment using Banafsha Flowers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_violet
Banafsha flowers, botanically known as Viola odorata, are beneficial in the
treatment of tonsillitis. About 12 gm of these flowers should be boiled in 50 ml of
milk. This milk should be taken hot after being filtered. The filtered banafsha can
also be lightly fried in ghee and worn round the throat as a poultice at night
Tonsillitis treatment using Fenugreek Seeds Fenugreek (Trigonella foenum-
graecum) or menthya (Kannada) or Venthayam (Tamil) or menthulu (Telugu) Methi
(Hindi)
A gargle made from fenugreek seeds is very effective in severe cases of
tonsillitis. To make such a gargle, two tablespoons of fenugreek seeds should be
allowed to simmer for half an hour in a litre of water and then set aside to cool.
The entire quantity should be used the same day as a soothing gargle. It will have
beneficial results
Bake a medium-sized banana in its skin for 30 minutes at 350 F. Peel and mash
the juicy banana, adding 1 tablespoon of extra-virgin, cold-pressed olive oil.
Spread the mush on a clean white cloth and apply it to the neck. Leave it on for a
half-hour in the morning and a half-hour in the evening.
Haldi/Turmeric is an antibiotic which plays an important part in treating

tonsillitis. One teaspoon turmeric powder mixed in one cup of lukewarm cow's milk
helps to alleviate the tonsillitis problem. It will show great results, if had
every night.
Gargling two teaspoons of onion juice mixed with lukewarm is used to gargle
which helps in curing the tonsillitis problem.
Juices of carrot, beet, and cucumber, taken individually or in combination, are
especially beneficial. The formula proportion recommended, when used in combination
is 300 ml of carrot juice, 100 ml of beet juice, and 100 ml of cucumber juice
Juice garlic cloves so that you have 1 tablespoon of fresh juice. Add the juice
and 2 ounces of dried sage to 1 quart of water in a glass or enamel pot. Cover the
pot and bring the mixture to a boil.As soon as it starts to boil, turn off the heat
and let it stand until it's lukewarm. Strain the solution.
Dose: Drink 1/2 cup of this sage-garlic tea every two hours. Gargle 1/2 cup every
hour until the condition is better.
Tonsillitis Diet
Water and orange juice combination To begin with, the patient should fast for
three to five days, by which time the serious symptoms should subside. Nothing but
water and orange juice should be taken during this time
All-fruit diet After the acute symptoms of tonsillitis are over, the patient
should adopt an all-fruit diet for the next three or four days. Thereafter he may
gradually embark upon a well-balanced diet, with emphasis on seeds, nuts, grains,
vegetables, and fruits
Avoid spices, condiments and sour substances The patient should avoid spices and
condiments as they tend to irritate the throat. Sour substances like curds,
buttermilk, and fried foods should also be avoided
Other Tonsillitis treatment
Warm-water enema and exercises Daily dry friction and a hip bath, as well as
breathing and other exercises, should all form part of the daily health regimen.
The bowels should be cleansed daily with a warm-water enema during the period of
fasting
Cold pack and Hot Epsom salts bath A cold pack should be applied to the throat
at two-hourly intervals during the day. A hot Epsom salts bath taken everyday or
every other day will also be beneficial
NOTE: The holistic health professionals we talked to believe that tonsils should
not be removed unless it's absolutely necessary. They function as armed guards,
destroying harmful bacteria that enter through the mouth. Asian medicine
practitioners believe that when tonsils are unable to fulfill this function, the
body's immune system needs to be strengthened-but the tonsils should, not be
removed. PERFECT AYURVEDIC REMEDIES AVAILABLE FOR TONSILS.
Regds & contact
K.V.Vighnesh
Chennai
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MS'">TONSILLITIS</SPAN></U></STRONG><SPAN style="COLOR:
#ff6600"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt;
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Tonsillitis
refers to acute inflammation of the tonsils, which lie, one on
each side of the throat. Chronic tonsillitis is a term applied to cases in which
there is enlargement of the tonsils accompanied by repeated attacks of infection
margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"> </SPAN><A name=symptom></A><SPAN style="COLOR: #ff6600; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial
Black'"><FONT size=3>Tonsillitis symptoms<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></div> <H3
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;
COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Fever, Headache, body parts pain and
general weakness</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet
MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></H3> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt;
style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">The main symptoms of
tonsillitis are sore throat, fever, headache, pain in various parts of the body,
difficulty in swallowing, and general weakness. The tonsils are seen to be inflamed
and red when the mouth is opened wide. In many cases, spots of pus exude from them
</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <H3 style="MARGIN: 0in
0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-
FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Tonsillar lymph glands gets tender and
enlarged</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Externally,
the tonsillar lymph glands, which lie just behind the angle of the jaw, are tender
and enlarged. In severe cases, there may be
pain in the ear. </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <UL
type=disc> <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: #7f007f; LINE-
HEIGHT: 14.4pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0
level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
'Comic Sans MS'">Pain in the throat (sometimes severe) that may last more than 48
hours and be associated with difficulty in swallowing. The pain may spread to the
ears. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI> <LI
class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: #7f007f; LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt;
tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans
MS'">The throat is reddened, the tonsils are swollen and may be coated or have
white spots on them. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet
MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: #7f007f; LINE-HEIGHT:
14.4pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1
lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans
MS'">Possibly a high temperature. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet
MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt;
COLOR: #7f007f; LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-
alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Swollen lymph glands under the jaw and in the
neck. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI> <LI
MS'">Headache.
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI> <LI
MS'">Loss of voice or changes in the voice. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI></UL> <H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-
HEIGHT: 14.4pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic
Sans MS'">Tonsillitis causes</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></H2> <H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-
HEIGHT: 14.4pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic
Sans MS'">Toxic condition of the system, throat affliction and sudden
chill</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet
MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></H3> <div class=MsoNormal
'Comic Sans MS'">The chief cause of tonsillitis is a toxic condition of the system,
which is brought to a head by a sudden lowering of vitality, resulting from
exposure and sudden chill. The tonsils enlarge and get inflamed when the toxins
cannot be got rid of through the normal channels of elimination such as the bowels,
kidneys, and skin. A throat affliction of this kind is also associated with and is
the result of chronic constipation, when toxins are reabsorbed into the
bloodstream</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div
#ff6600; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"> </SPAN><FONT
size=3><SPAN style="COLOR:
#ff6600; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black'">Home Remedies for Tonsillitis</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: #ff6600; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">
</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #ff6600; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial
Black'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-
Sans MS'">Tonsillitis treatment using Lime</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-
FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></H3> <div class=MsoNormal
'Comic Sans MS'">Lime is one of the most effective remedies in the treatment of
acute tonsillitis. A fresh lime squeezed in a glass of warm water, with four
teaspoons of honey and a quarter teaspoon of common salt, should be sipped slowly
in such cases</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT:
14.4pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans
MS'">Tonsillitis treatment using Milk</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></H3> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in
0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt:
MS'">Milk has been found valuable in tonsillitis. A glass of pure boiled milk,
mixed with a pinch uf turmeric powder and pepper powder, should be taken every
night for three nights in the treatment of this condition. It will bring beneficial
results</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <H3
COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Tonsillitis treatment using Vegetable
Juices</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></H3> <div class=MsoNormal
'Comic Sans MS'">Juices of carrot, beet, and cucumber, taken individually or in
combination, are especially beneficial. The formula proportion recommended, when
used in combination is 300 ml of carrot juice, 100 ml of beet juice, and 100 ml of
cucumber juice</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <H3
COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Tonsillitis treatment using Banafsha
Flowers</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR:
black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_violet"><SPAN style="COLOR:
#0000bf">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_violet</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Banafsha
flowers, botanically known as Viola odorata, are beneficial in the treatment of
tonsillitis. About 12 gm of these flowers should be boiled in 50 ml of milk. This
milk should be taken hot after being filtered. The filtered banafsha can also be
lightly fried in ghee and worn round the throat as a poultice at night</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt;
LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #0000bf;
FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Tonsillitis treatment using Fenugreek Seeds
</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet
auto"><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic
Sans MS'">Fenugreek</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf;
FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"> (Trigonella foenum-graecum) or <B>menthya</B>
(</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
title=Kannada href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kannada"><SPAN style="COLOR:
#0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Kannada</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-
SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">) or <B>Venthayam</B>
(</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
title="Tamil language"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_language"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000bf;
FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Tamil</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">) or <B>menthulu</B> (</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A title=Telugu
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telugu"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-
FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Telugu</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">) Methi (Hindi)</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">A gargle made
from fenugreek seeds is very effective in severe cases of tonsillitis. To make such
a gargle,
two tablespoons of fenugreek seeds should be allowed to simmer for half an hour in
a litre of water and then set aside to cool. The entire quantity should be used the
same day as a soothing gargle. It will have beneficial results</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Bake a
medium-sized banana in its skin for 30 minutes at 350 F. Peel and mash the juicy
banana, adding 1 tablespoon of extra-virgin, cold-pressed olive oil. Spread the
mush on a clean white cloth and apply it to the neck. Leave it on for a half-hour
in the morning and a half-hour in the evening. </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black;
FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <UL type=disc> <LI
class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt;
'Comic Sans MS'">Haldi/Turmeric is an antibiotic which plays an important part in
treating tonsillitis. One teaspoon turmeric powder mixed in one cup of lukewarm
cow's milk helps to alleviate the tonsillitis problem. It will show great results,
if had every night. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Gargling two teaspoons of onion juice
mixed with lukewarm is used to gargle which helps in curing the tonsillitis
problem. </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal
MS'">Juices of carrot, beet, and cucumber, taken individually or in combination,
are especially beneficial. The formula proportion recommended, when used in
combination is 300 ml of carrot juice, 100 ml of beet juice, and 100 ml of cucumber
juice </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI> <LI
Sans MS'">Juice garlic cloves so that you have 1 tablespoon of fresh juice. Add the
juice and 2
ounces of dried sage to 1 quart of water in a glass or enamel pot. Cover the pot
and bring the mixture to a boil.As soon as it starts to boil, turn off the heat and
let it stand until it's lukewarm. Strain the solution. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-
FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI></UL> <div class=MsoNormal
margin-bottom-alt: auto"><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f;
FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Dose: </SPAN></STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Drink 1/2 cup of this sage-garlic tea
every two hours. Gargle 1/2 cup every hour until the condition is
better.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #ff6600; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black'; mso-bidi-font-
family: Arial"> </SPAN><A name=diet></A><SPAN style="COLOR: #ff6600; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial Black'"><FONT size=3>Tonsillitis Diet<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></div> <H3
COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Water and orange juice
combination</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">To begin
with, the patient should fast for three to five days, by which time the serious
symptoms should subside. Nothing but water and orange juice should be taken during
this time</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <H3
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT:
14.4pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans
MS'">All-fruit diet</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">After the
acute symptoms of tonsillitis are over, the patient should adopt an all-fruit diet
for the next three or four days. Thereafter he may gradually embark upon a well-
balanced diet, with emphasis on seeds, nuts, grains, vegetables, and
fruits</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <H3
COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Avoid spices, condiments and sour
substances</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet
MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></H3> <div class=MsoNormal
'Comic Sans MS'">The patient should avoid spices and condiments as they tend to
irritate the throat. Sour substances like curds, buttermilk, and fried foods should
also be avoided</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div
#ff6600; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: #ff6600; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black'"><FONT size=3>Other Tonsillitis
treatment<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></div> <H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-
Sans MS'">Warm-water enema and exercises</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-
FAMILY:
'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></H3> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in
MS'">Daily dry friction and a hip bath, as well as breathing and other exercises,
should all form part of the daily health regimen. The bowels should be cleansed
daily with a warm-water enema during the period of fasting</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt;
LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY:
'Comic Sans MS'">Cold pack and Hot Epsom salts bath</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></H3> <div class=MsoNormal
'Comic Sans MS'">A cold pack should
be applied to the throat at two-hourly intervals during the day. A hot Epsom salts
bath taken everyday or every other day will also be beneficial</SPAN><SPAN
auto"><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic
Sans MS'">NOTE: </SPAN></STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-
FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">The holistic health professionals we talked to believe
that tonsils should not be removed unless it's absolutely necessary. They function
as armed guards, destroying harmful bacteria that enter through the mouth. Asian
medicine practitioners believe that when tonsils are unable to fulfill this
function, the body's immune system needs to be strengthened-but the tonsils should,
not be removed. PERFECT AYURVEDIC REMEDIES AVAILABLE FOR TONSILS. </SPAN></div>
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Home Remedies for ECZEMA ECZEMA

Eczema also called as dermatitis, is a group of skin disorders. Atopic eczema,
allergic contact dermatitis, irritant contact dermatitis, infantile seborrhoeic
eczema, adult seborrhoeic eczema, varicose eczema and discoid eczema are different
types of eczema. Atopic dermatitis is the most common type of eczema. It mainly
occurs among infants and small children. In more than 90% of cases, eczema is found
to occur in children below 5 years of age. It is a non contagious disease.
Eczema is a skin condition characterized by redness, cracking, oozing and scaling
of the skin. This may be caused by the extremes of heat and cold and even emotional
stress. The patient usually complains of itching and burning in the skin,
especially at the night. Sores appear on various parts of the body, but most often
on the hands, feet, ears and legs. Eczema may come on at any time of life and in
either sex. The commoner manifestations are erythema changing to papule, vesicle,
crust, scale and fissure, with serous exudation. In chronic cases, thick scales
accumulate. This is the effect of local irritation by chemical, thermal, or
mechanical agents in a hypersensitive individual, subject of an allergy or
constitutional disabilities such as gout, chronic nephritis, rheumatism, local
sepsis, dyspepsia, alcoholism, uterine disturbances also teething .in some cases
heredity may be found. Papules, vesicles and pustules with some degree of local
oedema are found;
exudation, crusting and scaling with inflammation of varying severity may be
present. These tend to spread to the contiguous areas. One or both cheeks of an
infant or the ear, limbs or trunk are occasionally involved. In adults also similar
papulo- vesicular eruptions appear. Sensations of burning, smarting, throbbing or
itching are present, according to the acuteness of the process and severity of the
inflammation. When chronic the discharge diminishes or disappears, leaving a
thickened, irregular, scaly patch, fading at the margins. The best way to take care
of eczema at home is to keep dry, patchy skin moist and well lubricated. Children
with eczema are most often allergic to eggs, milk, peanuts, wheat, soy, fish and
tree nuts, although a child is usually allergic to only one or two of those foods.
Eczema Symptoms
Following are the symptoms of eczema. Itching, Redness on skin, Dry and flaky
skin, Itchy blisters, Inflammation on skin, Small bumps on forehead, neck and
cheek, Rough and thickened skin. Symptoms of eczema are more severe on the folds.
Heredity
Eczema is considered to be hereditary. Studies reveal that a person is prone to
eczema if his family has a history of closely linked conditions like hay fever and
asthma.
Causes of aggarvation
Eczema could be aggravated by irritants like smoke, chemicals, detergents,
solvents and so on. Even weather conditions could aggravate the condition.
Excessive stress, heat and emotional stress also aggravates the symptoms of eczema.
Other Causes
Cause of eczema depends upon the type of eczema the person is suffering from.
Sometimes blood circulation problem in the leg can also cause eczema. Deficiency of
vitamin B6 causes eczema.
HOME REMEDIES FOR ECZEMA
Oatmeal bath is useful for patients suffering from eczema. For the bath, pour 2
cups of colloidal oatmeal into a tub of lukewarm water. This is very effective home
remedy for eczema.
Cotton clothing is the best for the skin and is much better than either wool or
polyester, especially wool. Avoid synthetics or itchy fabrics, as well as tight- or
ill-fitting clothes.
Daily bathing is not necessary, as it tends to make alreadydry skin even drier.
Instead, you can sponge bathe the parts of the body that really need it--the hands,
face, neck, armpits and (for babies) the diaper area.
A moisturizer or soap should be avoided as they can contain fragrances that will
trigger a flare-up of eczema. Look for products that are fragrance-free.
Avoid overdressing your child unnecessarily at night, because getting too hot
can make the rash worse.
Stress can trigger eczema or make it worse. Try to reduce the stress.
Make a paste by adding 1 tsp camphor to 1-teaspoon sandalwood and apply on the
affected eczema areas. This is also very effective home remedy for eczema.
Make a paste by rubbing a nutmeg against a smooth stone slab with a little water
and. Apply to affected eczema area.
Apply Crisco 2-3 times a day is said to not only make you greasy, but eczema
free.
Coconut oil may be applied to the areas with eczema.
For eczema treatment add carrot juice and spinach juice and apply to the
affected area.
Drink plenty of water and take fruit juices like orange.
Make a paste by adding 1 tbls turmeric powder to a tbls of bitter neem leaves.
Apply to the affected areas.
Deficiency of vitamin B6 may also cause eczema. So increase your intake of
vitamin B6.
Evening primrose oil can also help. It contains gamma-linolenic acid (GLA),
which is helpful in curing the eczema.
Take watercress every day. It helps to cure the eczema, along with a daily drink
of parsley, spinach, celery, and wheat grass.
Add 1 Tbsp. Vinegar,1 Tbsp. Honey. Mix together with water and drink all at
once. This is very effective home remedy for eczema.
Neem has been used for treating all sorts of skin problems for centuries. It
contains Nimbidol and Gedunin, which have excellent fungicidal properties. Crush
some neem leaves and apply to the affected area. It will immediately give relief.
Basil (tulsi) is extremely effective in treating skin disorders as it is a blood

purifier and kills bacteria.
Crush the garlic clove and mix it with half a cup of hot water in a pan. Soak a
clean washcloth in the solution and then apply to the affected areas only.
Add five drops of castor oil in half a cup of any fruit or vegetable juice, or
plain water, and take on an empty stomach in the morning, is beneficial for any
kind of skin disease.
One or two bananas a day are useful for those who are allergic to certain foods
and who consequently suffer from skin rashes, such as in eczema.
Foods which should be excluded from the diet are tea, coffee, chocolate, cola
drinks, alcohol, sugar and products made from it, refined cereals, meats, fish,
chicken, tobacco, milk, cheese, butter, smoked and salted pickled foods, and foods
containing any chemical additives, preservatives and flavorings.
For eczema treatment try to do some prevention techniques such as relaxation,
exercise, meditation, and mind control.
Apply a mixture of 1 teaspoon camphor and 1 teaspoon sandalwood paste on the
rashes. Apply nutmeg paste to the affected areas. Put natural vitamin E on the
affected skin, it will relieve you of itching. Zinc taken orally and applied
directly on the affected skin is effective. Both shark cartilage and lotion of
blueberry leaves reduce inflammation. Use pine tar soap to wash the affected skin.
Drink tomato juice daily, it will cure the symptoms in a few days.
Avoid dairy products
Diet never causes eczema. Food only causes allergy, it does not cause eczema. It
is the genes of a person that cause eczema. If you are allergic or sensitive to
certain foods then try avoiding them, because they can trigger eczema. Dairy
products, eggs, nuts, preservatives and citrus fruits are more likely to trigger
eczema.
Other Suggestions for Eczema
Always avoid substances you are allergic to. Wear cotton clothes as they do not
irritate your itchy skin. Exposure to water for a long time can lead to skin
dryness. Use good quality moisturizer.
Regds & contact
K.V.Vighnesh
Chennai
yahoo chat ID: kvvighnesh@...
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'Trebuchet MS'"><A href="http://astrologicalremedies.blogspot.com/"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #ff6600">Home Remedies for ECZEMA</SPAN></A> <?xml:namespace prefix =
o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></H3> <div
class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt; TEXT-ALIGN:
center; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
align=center><B><U><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: olive; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial
Black'">ECZEMA</SPAN></U></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: olive; FONT-
FAMILY: 'Arial Black'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal
margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY:
'Comic Sans MS'">Eczema also called as dermatitis, is a group of skin disorders.
Atopic eczema, allergic contact dermatitis, irritant contact
dermatitis, infantile seborrhoeic eczema, adult seborrhoeic eczema, varicose
eczema and discoid eczema are different types of eczema. Atopic dermatitis is the
most common type of eczema. It mainly occurs among infants and small children. In
more than 90% of cases, eczema is found to occur in children below 5 years of age.
It is a non contagious disease.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black;
FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div>
top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR:
#7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Eczema</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"> is a skin condition
characterized by redness, cracking, oozing and scaling of the skin. This may be
caused by the extremes of heat and cold and even emotional stress. The patient
usually complains of
itching and burning in the skin, especially at the night. Sores appear on various
parts of the body, but most often on the hands, feet, ears and legs. <B>Eczema</B>
may come on at any time of life and in either sex. The commoner manifestations are
erythema changing to papule, vesicle, crust, scale and fissure, with serous
exudation. In chronic cases, thick scales accumulate. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic
Sans MS'">This is the effect of local irritation by chemical, thermal, or
mechanical agents in a hypersensitive individual, subject of an allergy or
constitutional disabilities such as gout, chronic nephritis, rheumatism, local
sepsis, dyspepsia, alcoholism, uterine disturbances also teething .in some cases
heredity may be found. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Papules,
vesicles and pustules with some degree of local oedema are found; exudation,
crusting and scaling with inflammation of varying severity may be present. These
tend to spread to the contiguous areas. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
Sans MS'">One or both cheeks of an infant or the ear, limbs or trunk are
occasionally involved. In adults also similar papulo- vesicular eruptions appear.
Sensations of burning, smarting, throbbing or itching are present, according to the
acuteness of the process and severity of the inflammation. <SPAN style="mso-
spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-
FAMILY:
Sans MS'">When chronic the discharge diminishes or disappears, leaving a thickened,
irregular, scaly patch, fading at the margins. The best way to take care of
<B>eczema</B> at home is to keep dry, patchy skin moist and well lubricated.
Children with eczema are most often allergic to eggs, milk, peanuts, wheat, soy,
fish and tree nuts, although a child is usually allergic to only one or two of
those foods. </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div
#0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Eczema Symptoms</SPAN></B><SPAN
margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Following
are the symptoms of eczema. Itching, Redness on skin, Dry and flaky skin, Itchy
blisters, Inflammation on skin, Small bumps on forehead, neck and cheek, Rough and
thickened skin. Symptoms of eczema are more severe on the folds. </SPAN><SPAN
MS'">Heredity</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
#7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Eczema is considered to be hereditary.
Studies reveal that a person is prone to eczema if his family has a history of
closely linked
conditions like hay fever and asthma.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
size=3><B><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Causes of
aggarvation</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
#7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Eczema could be aggravated by irritants like
smoke, chemicals, detergents, solvents and so on. Even weather conditions could
aggravate the condition. Excessive stress, heat and emotional stress also
aggravates the symptoms of eczema.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT size=3><B><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-
FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Other Causes</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
MS'">Cause of eczema depends upon the type of eczema the person is suffering from.
Sometimes blood circulation problem in the leg can also cause eczema. Deficiency of
vitamin B6 causes eczema.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div>
black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf;
FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">HOME REMEDIES FOR ECZEMA</SPAN></B><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"> </SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <UL type=disc> <LI class=MsoNormal
MS'">Oatmeal bath is useful for patients suffering from eczema. For the bath, pour
2 cups of colloidal oatmeal into a tub of lukewarm water. This is very effective
<B>home remedy for eczema.</B> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal
MS'">Cotton clothing is the best for the skin and is much better than either wool
or polyester, especially
wool. Avoid synthetics or itchy fabrics, as well as tight- or ill-fitting clothes.
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Daily bathing is not necessary, as it
tends to make alreadydry skin even drier. Instead, you can sponge bathe the parts
of the body that really need it--the hands, face, neck, armpits and (for babies)
the diaper area. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in
0in 0pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">A moisturizer
or soap should be avoided as they can contain fragrances that will trigger a flare-
up of eczema.
Look for products that are fragrance-free. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI
Sans MS'">Avoid overdressing your child unnecessarily at night, because getting too
hot can make the rash worse. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal
MS'">Stress can trigger eczema or make it worse. Try to reduce the stress.
mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1;
'Comic Sans MS'">Make a paste by adding 1 tsp camphor to 1-teaspoon sandalwood and
apply on the affected eczema areas. This is also very effective <B>home remedy for
eczema.</B> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Make a paste
by rubbing a nutmeg against a smooth stone slab with a little water and. Apply to
affected eczema area. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Apply Crisco
2-3 times a day is
said to not only make you greasy, but eczema free. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI
Sans MS'">Coconut oil may be applied to the areas with eczema.
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">For <B>eczema treatment </B>add
carrot juice and spinach juice and apply to the affected area.
mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list
.5in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans
MS'">Drink plenty of water and take fruit juices like orange.
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Make a paste by adding 1 tbls
turmeric powder to a tbls of bitter neem leaves. Apply to the affected areas.
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Deficiency of vitamin B6 may also
cause eczema. So increase your intake of vitamin B6. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI
class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR:
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Evening primrose oil can also help.
It contains gamma-linolenic acid (GLA), which is helpful in curing the eczema.
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Take watercress every day. It helps
to cure the eczema, along with a daily drink of parsley, spinach, celery, and wheat
grass. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt;
COLOR:
#7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Add 1 Tbsp. Vinegar,1 Tbsp. Honey. Mix
together with water and drink all at once. This is very effective <B>home remedy
for eczema.</B> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Neem has been
used for treating all sorts of skin problems for centuries. It contains Nimbidol
and Gedunin, which have excellent fungicidal properties. Crush some neem leaves and
apply to the affected area. It will immediately give relief.
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans
MS'">Basil (tulsi) is extremely effective in treating skin disorders as it is a
blood purifier and kills bacteria. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal
MS'">Crush the garlic clove and mix it with half a cup of hot water in a pan. Soak
a clean washcloth in the solution and then apply to the affected areas only.
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Add five drops of castor oil in half
a cup of any fruit or vegetable juice, or plain water, and take on an empty stomach
in the morning, is
beneficial for any kind of skin disease. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI> <LI
Sans MS'">One or two bananas a day are useful for those who are allergic to certain
foods and who consequently suffer from skin rashes, such as in eczema.
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Foods which should be excluded from
the diet are tea, coffee, chocolate, cola drinks, alcohol, sugar and products made
from it, refined cereals, meats, fish, chicken, tobacco, milk, cheese, butter,
smoked and salted pickled
foods, and foods containing any chemical additives, preservatives and flavorings.
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">For <B>eczema treatment</B> try to do
some prevention techniques such as relaxation, exercise, meditation, and mind
control. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></LI></UL> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in
auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans
MS'">Apply a mixture of 1 teaspoon camphor and 1 teaspoon sandalwood paste on the
rashes. Apply nutmeg paste to the affected areas. Put natural vitamin E on the
affected skin, it will relieve you of itching. Zinc taken orally and applied
directly on the affected skin
is effective. Both shark cartilage and lotion of blueberry leaves reduce
inflammation. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; BACKGROUND: yellow; COLOR:
#ff6600; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black'; mso-highlight: yellow">Use pine
tar</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans
MS'"> soap to wash the affected skin. Drink tomato juice daily, it will cure the
symptoms in a few days.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div>
top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT size=3><B><SPAN style="COLOR:
#0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Avoid dairy products</SPAN></B><SPAN
'Comic Sans MS'">Diet never causes eczema. Food
only causes allergy, it does not cause eczema. It is the genes of a person that
cause eczema. If you are allergic or sensitive to certain foods then try avoiding
them, because they can trigger eczema. Dairy products, eggs, nuts, preservatives
and citrus fruits are more likely to trigger eczema.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
size=3><B><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Other
Suggestions for Eczema</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
MS'">Always avoid substances you are allergic to. Wear cotton clothes as they do
not irritate your itchy skin. Exposure to water for a
long time can lead to skin dryness. Use good quality moisturizer.</SPAN></div>
#7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Regds & contact</SPAN></div> <div
#7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">K.V.Vighnesh</SPAN></div> <div
#7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"></SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
black"><o:p>Chennai</o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in
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Home Remedies to GET RID OF BELLY FAT What is that thing that s been growing
around your mid-section since you started college? Is it a beer belly? Is it belly
fat? Is it tummy fat? Is it a gut or a beer gut? There are so many names for the
fat at builds up around our stomachs, is it any wonder why it s become a national
obsession? But don t misperceive our obsession with fat as war on fat.
A little body fat is actually good for you. It keeps you warm and helps your
body maintain a sufficient core temperature and nutrients when we get sick and can
t eat. Personally, I like the little tummy I have, and I d rather it stay that way
little. So, I ve started working out. Evidence is starting to prove the theory that
lifting weights (anaerobic exercise, or weight training) and using the Stair Master
(aerobic exercise) will help you get rid of that extra weight around your
midsection. A healthy diet is also a good idea.
So, I ve summarized here a list of things you should take into consideration if
you re serious about losing that tummy:
The Best Way to Lose Belly Fat
Reducing the amount of calories you consume is the most effective way to get rid
of belly fat.
Really, when it comes down to it, losing any kind of fat, no matter where it is
on your body, requires you to consume less calories than you body needs. This lack
of calories will set into motion the processing of excess body fat to make up for
the lack of calories. But don t go all crazy about it. Starving your body of
calories is only good to a certain extent, after a point you begin to do damage to
important things, like your central nervous system.
There s a reason they call it a beer belly, and drinking less beer, or
quitting drinking altogether, will help you lose belly fat.
No matter who (or how good looking) the drinker is, beer is bad for a number of
reasons. The most obvious reason is the caloric content of beer. The less obvious
reasons are the inflammation of the pancreas and liver, and the bloating that often
accompany the over-consumption of alcoholic beverages; this includes alcohol mixed
with sweet, sugary liquids like soda.
Consuming less food loaded with sugar will help you to lose tummy fat.
Sugar is a big one. The sugar found in junk food and soda is the kind of sugar
that burns quickly, unlike those sugars found in fruits and vegetables, which burn
more slowly. If your body is processing sugar to create energy, and you re not
using any energy, those sugars will be converted into fat for later use. If you re
going to enjoy sweets, enjoy them right before you use the Stair Master.
There s nothing wrong with strengthening your abdominal muscles, but it won t
get rid of belly fat like magic.
You may want to consider not only working out your abs, but also working out
your shoulders, pectorals, back, and arms to help create a more shapely V figure,
which will help reduce the appearance of your belly. Keep this in mind: bulking up
your muscles requires fewer reps (about 8) and fewer sets with greater weight.
Building leaner muscle requires more reps, more sets, and less weight.
Daily exercise and walking will definitely get rid of belly fat.
Going for a walk after a big meal or enjoying a dessert is never a bad idea.
When Natasha and I were in Europe, we ate our fair share of delicacies, but we didn
t gain a single pound in fact, we actually lost weight because we walked
everywhere. We walked from the train station to our hotel, and from our hotel to
the restaurant, and from the restaurant to the museums, and from the museums to the
well, you get my point.
A calorie restrictive diet, which requires you to eat no less than 10x and no
more than 15x your LEAN bodyweight in calories.
Regular cardiovascular activity for at least 30-45 minutes 3-4 times per week.
Some recommend a moderate pace while other recommend a vigorous pace -- it doesn't
really matter as long as you are exercising.
Weight training.
Supplementing your diet with vitamins, minerals and amino acids. Vitamin C, L-
glutamine, and a good multi vitamin are the bare essentials.
Adequate dietary fat, including high amounts of Essential Fatty Acids
Certainly I expect these postings will be beneficial for all. But I request to
give some astrological facts underlie/combination of grahas for the disease and the
remedies of vegetable I give hereunder which planet governs. So I request other
knowledgeable people join with the issue and comment..
Regds.
K.V.Vighnesh
Chennai
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FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'; mso-highlight: yellow"><A
href="http://astrologicalremedies.blogspot.com/"><SPAN style="COLOR: #ff6600">Home
Remedies to GET RID OF BELLY FAT <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-
microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></A></SPAN></H3> <div
alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; tab-stops: 442.25pt"><SPAN style="FONT-
SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">What is that thing that s
been growing around your mid-section since you started college? Is it a beer belly?
Is it belly fat? Is it tummy fat? Is it a gut or a beer gut? There are so many
names for the fat at builds up around our stomachs, is it any wonder why it s
become a national obsession? But don t misperceive our obsession with fat as war on
fat. </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">A little body
fat is actually good for you. It keeps you warm and helps your body maintain a
sufficient core temperature and nutrients when we get sick and can t eat.
Personally, I like the little tummy I have, and I d rather it stay that way little.
So, I ve started working out. Evidence is starting to prove the theory that lifting
weights (anaerobic exercise, or weight training) and using the Stair Master
(aerobic exercise) will help you get rid of that extra weight around your
midsection. A healthy diet is also a good idea. </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt;
mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">So, I ve summarized here a list of
things you should take into consideration if you re serious about losing that
tummy: </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div
FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #0000bf;
FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">The </SPAN></B><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns =
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Best
Way</SPAN></B></st1:address></st1:Street><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR:
#0000bf; FONT-FAMILY:
'Comic Sans MS'"> to Lose Belly Fat </SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
auto"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans
MS'">Reducing the amount of calories you consume is the most effective way to get
rid of belly fat.</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-
FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"> </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY:
'Comic Sans MS'">Really, when it comes down to it, losing any kind of fat, no
matter where it is on your body, requires you to consume less calories than you
body needs. This lack of calories will set into motion the processing of excess
body fat to make up for the lack of calories. But don t go all crazy about it.
Starving your body of calories is only good to a certain extent, after a point you
begin to do damage to important things, like your central nervous
system.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div
FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-
FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">There s a reason they call it a beer belly, and drinking
less beer, or quitting drinking altogether, will help you lose belly
fat.</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">No matter who
(or how good looking) the drinker is, beer is bad for a number of reasons. The most
obvious reason is the caloric content of beer. The less obvious reasons are the
inflammation of the pancreas and liver, and the bloating that often accompany the
over-consumption of alcoholic beverages; this includes alcohol mixed with sweet,
sugary liquids like soda.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div>
black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf;
FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Consuming less food loaded with sugar will help you
to lose tummy fat.</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-
FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"> </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Sugar is a
big one. The sugar found in junk food and soda is the kind of sugar that burns
quickly, unlike those sugars found in fruits and vegetables, which burn more
slowly. If your body is processing sugar to create energy, and you re not using any
energy, those sugars will be converted into fat for later use. If you re going to
enjoy sweets, enjoy them right before you use the Stair Master.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div
FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">There s nothing wrong with strengthening your abdominal
muscles, but it won t get rid of belly fat like magic.</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">You may want
to consider not only working out your abs, but also working out your shoulders,
pectorals, back, and arms to help create a more shapely V figure, which will help
reduce the appearance of your belly. Keep this in mind: bulking up your muscles
requires fewer reps (about 8) and fewer sets with greater weight. Building leaner
muscle requires more reps, more sets, and less weight.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Daily
exercise and walking will definitely get rid of belly fat.</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Going for a
walk
after a big meal or enjoying a dessert is never a bad idea. When Natasha and I
were in </SPAN><st1:place><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-
FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Europe</SPAN></st1:place><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">, we ate our fair share of
delicacies, but we didn t gain a single pound in fact, we actually lost weight
because we walked everywhere. We walked from the train station to our hotel, and
from our hotel to the restaurant, and from the restaurant to the museums, and from
the museums to the well, you get my point.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY:
Verdana">A calorie restrictive diet, which requires you to eat no less than 10x and
no more than 15x your LEAN bodyweight in calories.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR:
black; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol"> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black;
FAMILY: Verdana">Regular cardiovascular activity for at least 30-45 minutes 3-4
times per week. Some recommend a moderate pace while other recommend a vigorous
pace -- it doesn't really matter as long as you are exercising.</SPAN><SPAN
0in 0in 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-
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black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f;
FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Weight training.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR:
black; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol"> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black;
FAMILY: Verdana">Supplementing your diet with vitamins, minerals and amino acids.
Vitamin C, L-glutamine, and a good multi vitamin are the bare
essentials.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div><SPAN
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</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-
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mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-
SA">Adequate dietary fat, including high amounts of Essential Fatty
Acids</SPAN></div> <div><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY:
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SA"><FONT color=#0000ff>Certainly I expect these postings will be beneficial for
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for the disease and the remedies of vegetable I give hereunder which planet
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comment..</FONT></SPAN></div> <div><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f;
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Home Remedies to GAIN WEIGHT Underweight Information

Underweight is a condition in which the person does not have an ideal weight as
per his height and sex. Infact, he weighs about 10% below the ideal weight.
Sometimes, the problem of underweight is hereditary. But, there are other factors
also that can be held responsible for causing underweight like metabolic disorders.
Read on to check out more underweight information
Underweight Symptoms:
Fatigue
Poor physical stamina
Low resistance to infection
Common Causes Of Underweight:
Insufficient calorie intake

Unhealthy eating habits like skipping meals, frequent fasting and lack of
physical workout
Metabolic disorders
Presence of intestinal worms
Sexual disorders
Chronic diarrhea
Diabetes
Inadequate digestion
Heredity
Following are some Underweight cure home remedies. Read on for home remedy for
gaining weight:
Muskmelon is considered valuable in the underweight home remedy treatment.

Consume muskmelons thrice a day for about 40 days and see its wonderful effects.
To gain weight, adopt mango-milk diet for a month. Eat two medium sized ripe and
sweet mangoes, followed by a glass of milk. Consume mangoes three times in a day.
Mango acts as a rich source of sugar, but lacks the necessary proteins required by
the body. On the other hand, milk is rich in proteins but deficient in fats. Thus,
the deficiency of mango is made up by milk and vice versa.
For instant weight gain, you can go in for an exclusive milk diet, in which milk
has to be taken after every 2 hours.
Soak 3 dry figs in water and consume it two times in a day.
Raisins act as a good remedy for increasing weight. Consume about thirty grams of
raisins on a daily basis.
Regds
K.V.Vighnesh
Chennai
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Remedies to GAIN WEIGHT <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-
margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-
FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Underweight</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt;
COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"> <B>Information</B></SPAN><SPAN
MS'">Underweight is a condition in which the person does not have an ideal weight
as per his height and
sex. Infact, he weighs about 10% below the ideal weight. Sometimes, the problem of
underweight is hereditary. But, there are other factors also that can be held
responsible for causing underweight like metabolic disorders. Read on to check out
more underweight information </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Underweight
Symptoms:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <UL
type=disc> <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: black; LINE-
FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Fatigue
Sans MS'">Poor physical stamina </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Low resistance to
infection</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'"><FONT size=3>
<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></LI></UL> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in
auto"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR:
#0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Common Causes Of
Underweight:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <UL
type=disc> <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: black; LINE-
FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Insufficient calorie intake </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-
FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Unhealthy
eating habits like skipping meals, frequent fasting and lack of physical workout
class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt;
COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-
alt: auto; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Metabolic disorders
Sans MS'">Presence of intestinal worms </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Sexual disorders </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in
0in 0pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Chronic
diarrhea</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI>
'Comic Sans MS'">Diabetes </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY:
'Comic Sans MS'">Inadequate digestion </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Heredity </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-
FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI></UL> <div class=MsoNormal
Arial"> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic
Sans MS'">Following are some Underweight cure home remedies. Read on for home
remedy for gaining weight:</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR:
black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <UL type=disc> <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:
0in 0in 0pt; COLOR:
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Muskmelon is considered valuable in
the underweight home remedy treatment. Consume muskmelons thrice a day for about 40
days and see its wonderful effects. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">To gain weight, adopt mango-milk diet
for a month. Eat two medium sized ripe and sweet mangoes, followed by a glass of
milk. Consume mangoes three times in a day. Mango acts as a rich source of sugar,
but lacks the necessary proteins required by the body. On the other hand, milk is
rich
in proteins but deficient in fats. Thus, the deficiency of mango is made up by
milk and vice versa. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">For instant weight gain, you can go
in for an exclusive milk diet, in which milk has to be taken after every 2 hours.
Sans MS'">Soak 3 dry figs in water and consume it two times in a day. </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI></UL> <div><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New
Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-
fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Raisins act as a good remedy for
increasing weight. Consume about thirty grams of raisins on a daily
basis.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet
MS'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New
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Home Remedies for DROOLING ---THROAT OBSTRUCTION DROOLING DURING SLEEP / THROAT
OBSTRUCTION
Drooling during sleep may occur for a variety of reasons such as posture and
illness. Most of which can be controlled with minor treatment. While sleeping you
salivate.
Though the amount is less than how you salivate during the day, you also do not
swallow as much. The frequency slows during the night. You are more apt to drool
if you breathe through your mouth while asleep. This will also increase the
likelihood of snoring and the sleep of others could also be disturbed. It does not
become a severe problem unless it is excessive. Drooling can be bothersome,
disturbing your rest during the night. Sleeping on a wet pillowcase can be
irritating.
While there is no cure, there are drugs available to help reduce the way you
salivate. Cures for ailments that may contribute are also available. Drool can be
uncomfortable and sleeping during rest periods disturbed. If asleep and you feel
moisture on your pillowcase, often changing it will help and allow you to rest more
comfortably. When asleep after getting drunk, there is a much greater risk for
drooling. If you drool during sleep there is no need to worry. This disorder is
only inconvenient and does not pose more serious problems.
A throat obstruction or choking on a fish or chicken bone can turn a pleasant and
enjoyable dining experience to a painful one instantly. Throat obstruction leads to
breathlessness because the trachea is blocked, constricted, or swollen shut. This
is one such malady that requires an instant remedy to eliminate the pain in the
throat as soon as possible. Home remedies are the first to be tried until medical
intervention becomes a necessity. Such situations may be rare but it is important
to know some helpful and handy hints one can use to relieve a throat obstruction.
Signs and symptoms that indicate a throat obstruction
Here are some signs and symptoms that indicate a throat obstruction: Gagging
High-pitched breathing
Difficulty and pain while swallowing
Vomiting
Sudden avoidance of solid foods
Increased drooling
Pain in the neck, chest or abdomen
Inability to speak
Bluish or purple face color due to lack of oxygen
Food eating habits
There are three reasons why people choke. These are:
Mechanical obstruction
Tissue swelling
Crushing of the trachea
These key causes that lead to a throat obstruction are caused by certain food
eating habits that are best avoided. These include:
Eating too fast.
Swallowing food instead of chewing the food.
Eating food despite intoxication by alcohol
Eating food in an unconscious state by inhaling certain materials
Root of Clematis
Home remedies are first sought because of the immediate need to be cured when the
throat obstruction becomes painful.
Here is a comprehensive list of home remedies that can be tried in case of a throat
obstruction:
Break an egg into a teacup and swallow it whole. It is said that this removes the
most difficult obstructions.
Clear the throat by drinking liquids or swallowing bread. This may take
approximately 30 to 60 minutes to work. If it does not work try other options or
consult your doctor.
If the throat obstruction is caused by a fish bone stuck in the throat, one can try
swallowing a lump of boiled rice. The rice is sticky and adheres to the fish bone.
The added weight on the bone helps to dislodge it from the throat and it goes into
the stomach where it is eventually digested. If rice is not available one can try
swallowing bread. This will also have the same effect.
If a larger sized chicken or fish bone is the cause of throat obstruction then
gargling with some vinegar is the best alternative. The vinegar helps soften the
bone slowly. The bone can then be removed by swallowing rice or bread. The action
of vinegar may take some time but it will eventually soften the bone.
Another alternative is the Root of Clematis . This is a pale brownish-yellow

colored herb which can be obtained from the nearest herbalist. Decoct this herb
with vinegar and brown sugar and sip the decoction slowly while it is hot. This
helps dislodging the bone and also provides relief from the irritation that is
caused in the throat.
One can also try the Heimlich maneuver. Stand behind the person and wrap your arms
around his/her waist. Make a fist with one hand and place the thumb side of the
fist just above the person s navel, well below the breastbone. Grasp the fist with
the other hand and make a quick, upward and inward thrust with your fist. Continue
this till the object is removed. This procedure rapidly compresses the lungs and
causes the food particle to be expelled.
For obese or pregnant people, wrap the arms around the person s chest. Place the
fist on the middle of the breastbone and make firm backwards thrusts.
Another simple method is to grasp the persons tongue and pull it forward and at the
same time try and hook the bone with the finger. Do ensure that the hands are clean
before performing this maneuver and wash the hands immediately afterwards as well.
Take plenty of liquid diet
It is advisable to take precautions when eating foods which could provide
obstruction to the throat such as fish and meat. It is likely that sharp bones
could cause obstruction in the throat. The suggested diet incase of throat
obstruction would ideally be plenty of liquids to clear the throat or lumps of rice
or bread that will help remove the obstruction.
Some suggestions for throat obstruction
Have every meal with an approach to taste the food and enjoy the dining
experience.
It is advisable to avoid eating in haste, which give rise to problems such as

throat obstruction and indigestion.
Regds & contact
K.V.Vighnesh
Chennai
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Remedies for DROOLING ---THROAT OBSTRUCTION <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
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align=center><B><U><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic
Sans MS'">DROOLING DURING SLEEP / THROAT OBSTRUCTION</SPAN></U></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal
Sans MS'">Drooling during sleep
may occur for a variety of reasons such as posture and illness. Most of which can
be controlled with minor treatment. While sleeping you salivate. </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Though the
amount is less than how you salivate during the day, you also do not swallow as
much. The frequency slows during the night. You are more apt to drool if you
breathe through your mouth while asleep. This will also increase the likelihood of
snoring and the sleep of others could also be disturbed. It does not become a
severe problem unless it is excessive. Drooling can be bothersome, disturbing your
rest during the night. Sleeping on a
wet pillowcase can be irritating.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">While there
is no cure, there are drugs available to help reduce the way you salivate. Cures
for ailments that may contribute are also available. Drool can be uncomfortable
and sleeping during rest periods disturbed. If asleep and you feel moisture on
your pillowcase, often changing it will help and allow you to rest more
comfortably. When asleep after getting drunk, there is a much greater risk for
drooling. If you drool during sleep there is no need to worry. This disorder is
only inconvenient and does not pose more serious problems.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR:
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">A throat
obstruction or choking on a fish or chicken bone can turn a pleasant and enjoyable
dining experience to a painful one instantly. Throat obstruction leads to
breathlessness because the trachea is blocked, constricted, or swollen shut. This
is one such malady that requires an instant remedy to eliminate the pain in the
throat as soon as possible. Home remedies are the first to be tried until medical
intervention becomes a necessity. Such situations may be rare but it is important
to know some helpful and handy hints one can use to relieve a throat obstruction.
margin-bottom-alt:
auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"> </SPAN><FONT size=3><B><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic
Sans MS'">Signs and symptoms that indicate a throat obstruction</SPAN></B><SPAN
'Comic Sans MS'">Here are some signs and symptoms that indicate a throat
obstruction: Gagging <BR>High-pitched breathing<BR>Difficulty and pain while
swallowing<BR>Vomiting<BR>Sudden avoidance of solid foods<BR>Increased
drooling<BR>Pain in the neck, chest or abdomen<BR>Inability to speak<BR>Bluish or
purple face color due to lack of oxygen</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
MS'">Food eating habits</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
MS'">There are three reasons why people choke. These are:<BR>Mechanical obstruction
<BR>Tissue swelling <BR>Crushing of the trachea<BR>These key causes that lead to a
throat obstruction are caused by certain food eating habits that are best avoided.
These include: <BR>Eating too fast. <BR>Swallowing food instead of chewing the
food. <BR>Eating food despite intoxication by alcohol <BR>Eating food in an
unconscious state by inhaling certain materials</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Root of Clematis</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
MS'">Home remedies are first sought because of the immediate need to be cured when
the throat obstruction becomes painful. <BR><BR>Here is a comprehensive list of
home remedies that can be tried in case of a throat obstruction: <BR><BR>Break an
egg into a teacup and swallow it whole. It is said that this removes the most
difficult obstructions. <BR><BR>Clear the throat by drinking liquids or swallowing
bread. This may take approximately 30 to 60 minutes to work. If it does not work
try other options or consult your doctor. <BR><BR>If the throat obstruction is
caused by a fish bone stuck in the
throat, one can try swallowing a lump of boiled rice. The rice is sticky and
adheres to the fish bone. The added weight on the bone helps to dislodge it from
the throat and it goes into the stomach where it is eventually digested. If rice is
not available one can try swallowing bread. This will also have the same effect.
<BR><BR>If a larger sized chicken or fish bone is the cause of throat obstruction
then gargling with some vinegar is the best alternative. The vinegar helps soften
the bone slowly. The bone can then be removed by swallowing rice or bread. The
action of vinegar may take some time but it will eventually soften the bone.
<BR><BR>Another alternative is the Root of Clematis . This is a pale brownish-
yellow colored herb which can be obtained from the nearest herbalist. Decoct this
herb with vinegar and brown sugar and sip the decoction slowly while it is hot.
This helps dislodging the bone and also provides relief from the irritation that is
caused in the
throat. <BR><BR>One can also try the Heimlich maneuver. Stand behind the person
and wrap your arms around his/her waist. Make a fist with one hand and place the
thumb side of the fist just above the person s navel, well below the breastbone.
Grasp the fist with the other hand and make a quick, upward and inward thrust with
your fist. Continue this till the object is removed. This procedure rapidly
compresses the lungs and causes the food particle to be expelled. <BR><BR>For obese
or pregnant people, wrap the arms around the person s chest. Place the fist on the
middle of the breastbone and make firm backwards thrusts. <BR><BR>Another simple
method is to grasp the persons tongue and pull it forward and at the same time try
and hook the bone with the finger. Do ensure that the hands are clean before
performing this maneuver and wash the hands immediately afterwards as
well.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div
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MS'">It is advisable to take precautions when eating foods which could provide
obstruction to the throat such as fish and meat. It is likely that sharp bones
could cause obstruction in the throat. The suggested diet incase of throat
obstruction would ideally be plenty of liquids to clear the throat or lumps of rice
or bread that will help remove the obstruction.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
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dining experience. <BR><BR>It is advisable to avoid eating in haste, which give
rise to problems such as throat obstruction and indigestion.</SPAN></div> <div
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Home Remedies for SINUSITIS SINUS fully curable under ayurvedic method
Sinusitis refers to an inflammation of the mucous membrane lining the paranasal
sinuses. It often follows a common cold, influenza, and other general infections.
Infecting germs sometimes find their way into sinuses or chambers on either side of
the nasal passage, leading to sinus trouble.
Sinusitis symptoms
Constant sneezing, headaches and low grade fever
The symptoms of sinusitis are excessive or constant sneezing ; a running nose;
blockage of one or both nostrils; headaches and pressure around the head, eyes, and
face. Sinus headaches are usually felt in the forehead and in the face just below
the eyes.The patient may suffer from low grade fever, lack of appetite, and
difficulty in breathing
Sinusitis causes
Inflammation of the sinus passages
Sinusitis results from the inflammation of the sinus passages and oversecretion
of mucus by the membranes lining the nose and throat
Home Remedies for Sinusitis
Sinusitis treatment using Mango
The liberal use of mangoes during the season is considered an effective remedy
for prevention and treatment of sinusitis. Mangoes contribute towards formation of
healthy epithelium, thereby preventing frequent attacks of common infections like
sinusitis. This is attributable to a high concentration of vitamin A in the fruit
Sinusitis treatment using Garlic and Onion
The use of pungent foods like garlic and onion is one of the most effective
remedies for sinus problems. One should begin with small mild doses and increase
them gradually. Beneficial results can also be achieved by adding these herbs in
moderate amounts to regular meals
Sinusitis treatment using Fenugreek
The seeds of fenugreek are another effective remedy for sinusitis. A tea prepared
by boiling one teaspoon of seeds in 250 ml of water till it is reduced to half,
will help the body to produce perspiration, dispel toxicity, and shorten the period
of fever in the acute stage of the disease. Upto four cups should be taken daily.
The quantity should be reduced as the condition improves
Sinusitis treatment using Cumin Seeds
A teaspoon of black cumin seeds tied in a thin cotton cloth can provide relief
when inhaled. The condition can also be relieved by taking a mixture of 100 gm of
roasted and ground cumin seeds and 200 gm of pure honey
Sinusitis treatment using Vegetable Juices
Carrot juice, taken separately or in combination with juices of beet and
cucumber, or with spinach juice, has been found beneficial in the treatment of
sinus trouble. In the case of combined juices, 100 ml each of beet and cucumber
juices, or 200 ml of spinach juice, should be mixed with 300ml of carrot juice to
make 500 ml or half a litre of the mixed juice
Sinusitis treatment using Vitamins A and C
A diet rich in vitamin A is the best insurance against cold and sinus trouble.
Vitamin A is the 'membrane conditioner' and it helps build healthy mucous membranes
in the nose and throat. Some of the valuable sources of this vitamin are whole
milk, curds, egg yolk, pumpkin, carrots, leafy vegetables, tomatoes, mangoes, and
papaya. When the sinus trouble has already developed, relief can be obtained by
taking vitamin A in large therapeutic doses of 25,000 IU per day. Vitamin C has
also proved beneficial in the treatment of sinusitis and the patient should take
one gram of this vitamin per day in two therapeutic doses of 500 mg each
Diet for Sinusitis
Fresh fruit and vegetable juices with water
In the acute stage of the disease, when fever is present, the patient should
abstain from all solid foods and drink only fresh fruit and vegetable juices
diluted with warm water on a 50:50 basis
Well-balanced diet
After the fever subsides, he may adopt a low-calorie, raw fruit and vegetable
diet with plenty of raw juices. Once the acute symptoms are over, the patient may
gradually embark upon a well-balanced diet, with emphasis on seeds, nuts, grains,
vegetables, and fruits. In persistent chronic conditions, repeated short juice
fasts may be undertaken for a week or so at intervals of two months
Avoid fried and starchy food
The patient should avoid fried and starchy foods, white sugar, white floor, rice,
macaroni products, pies, cakes, and candies
Other Sinusitis treatments
Hot and cold water application
A cold application over the sinus will give great relief, while alternate hot and
cold applications also prove beneficial. Take pans of hot and cold water, bathe the
whole face with hot water as hot as you can bear-and then apply cold water for a
short duration
Inhalation of steam, proper sleep and adequate rest
Nasal inhalation of steam for five minutes every hour will also give relief.
Plenty of sleep, adequate rest, and fresh air are essential in the treatment of
sinus trouble
Avoid perfumes and scented hair oil
Patient should avoid the use of perfumes and strongly scented hair oil
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method</SPAN></U></B><SPAN style="COLOR: #ff6600"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div
FONT-FAMILY:
Sans MS'">Sinusitis refers to an inflammation of the mucous membrane lining the
paranasal sinuses. It often follows a common cold, influenza, and other general
infections. Infecting germs sometimes find their way into sinuses or chambers on
either side of the nasal passage, leading to sinus trouble. </SPAN><SPAN
Arial"> </SPAN><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY:
'Comic Sans MS'">Sinusitis symptoms</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
size=3><B><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000bf;
FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Constant sneezing, headaches and low grade
fever</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div
alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans
MS'">The symptoms of sinusitis are excessive or constant sneezing ; a running nose;
blockage of one or both nostrils; headaches and pressure around the head, eyes, and
face. Sinus headaches are usually felt in the forehead and in the face just below
the eyes.The patient may suffer from low grade fever, lack of appetite, and
difficulty in breathing</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div>
top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt;
COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Sinusitis causes</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="COLOR:
size=3><B><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Inflammation
of the sinus passages</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
MS'">Sinusitis results from the inflammation of the sinus passages and
oversecretion of mucus by the membranes lining the nose and throat</SPAN><SPAN
Arial"> </SPAN><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #0000bf;
FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Home Remedies for Sinusitis</SPAN></B><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></B><SPAN
MS'">Sinusitis treatment using Mango</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
MS'">The liberal use of mangoes during the season is considered an effective remedy
for prevention and treatment of sinusitis. Mangoes contribute towards formation of
healthy epithelium, thereby preventing frequent attacks of common infections like
sinusitis. This is attributable to a
high concentration of vitamin A in the fruit</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
size=3><B><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Sinusitis
treatment using Garlic and Onion</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
MS'">The use of pungent foods like garlic and onion is one of the most effective
remedies for sinus problems. One should begin with small mild doses and increase
them gradually. Beneficial results can also be achieved by adding these herbs in
moderate amounts to regular meals</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:
MS'">Sinusitis treatment using Fenugreek</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
MS'">The seeds of fenugreek are another effective remedy for sinusitis. A tea
prepared by boiling one teaspoon of seeds in 250 ml of water till it is reduced to
half, will help the body to produce perspiration, dispel toxicity, and shorten the
period of fever in the acute stage of the disease. Upto four cups should be taken
daily. The quantity should be reduced as the condition improves</SPAN><SPAN
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mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT size=3><B><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Sinusitis treatment using
Cumin Seeds</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
#7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">A teaspoon of black cumin seeds tied in a
thin cotton cloth can provide relief when inhaled. The condition can also be
relieved by taking a mixture of 100 gm of roasted and ground cumin seeds and 200 gm
of pure honey</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div
#0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Sinusitis treatment using Vegetable
Juices</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in
MS'">Carrot juice, taken separately or in combination with juices of beet and
cucumber, or with spinach juice, has been found beneficial in the treatment of
sinus trouble. In the case of combined juices, 100 ml each of beet and cucumber
juices, or 200 ml of spinach juice, should be mixed with 300ml of carrot juice to
make 500 ml or half a litre of the mixed juice</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
size=3><B><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Sinusitis
treatment using Vitamins A and C</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div
#7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">A diet rich in vitamin A is the best
insurance against cold and sinus trouble. Vitamin A is the 'membrane conditioner'
and it helps build healthy mucous membranes in the nose and throat. Some of the
valuable sources of this vitamin are whole milk, curds, egg yolk, pumpkin, carrots,
leafy vegetables, tomatoes, mangoes, and papaya. When the sinus trouble has already
developed, relief can be obtained by taking vitamin A in large therapeutic doses of
25,000 IU per day. Vitamin C has also proved beneficial in the treatment of
sinusitis and the patient should take one gram of this vitamin per day in two
therapeutic doses of 500 mg each</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt; mso-margin-top-alt:
auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black;
FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Diet for Sinusitis</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
size=3><B><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Fresh fruit
and vegetable juices with water</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
MS'">In the acute stage of the disease, when fever is present, the patient should
abstain from all solid foods and drink only fresh fruit and vegetable juices
diluted with warm water on a 50:50
basis</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div
#0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Well-balanced diet</SPAN></B><SPAN
'Comic Sans MS'">After the fever subsides, he may adopt a low-calorie, raw fruit
and vegetable diet with plenty of raw juices. Once the acute symptoms are over, the
patient may gradually embark upon a well-balanced diet, with emphasis on seeds,
nuts, grains, vegetables, and fruits. In persistent chronic conditions, repeated
short juice fasts may be undertaken for a week or so at intervals of two
months</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
size=3><B><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Avoid fried
and starchy food</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
MS'">The patient should avoid fried and starchy foods, white sugar, white floor,
rice, macaroni products, pies, cakes, and candies</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY:
'Comic Sans MS'">Other Sinusitis treatments</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
size=3><B><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Hot and cold
water application</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">A
cold application over the sinus will give great relief, while alternate hot and
cold applications also prove beneficial. Take pans of hot and cold water, bathe the
whole face with hot water as hot as you can bear-and then apply cold water for a
short duration</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div
class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt;
size=3><B><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Inhalation of
steam, proper sleep and adequate rest</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
MS'">Nasal inhalation of steam for five minutes every hour will also give relief.
Plenty of sleep, adequate rest, and fresh air are essential in the treatment of
sinus trouble</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div
#0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Avoid perfumes and scented hair
oil</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in
auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black'">Patient
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Home Remedies for EAR INFECTIONS Home Remedies For Ear Infections
It is very important to pay attention to ear infection in early stage. You can
have inner ear infection or middle ear infection or outer ear infection with
different symptoms.
Inflamed Ear
Take Vitamin C to help boost the immune system and fight infection. Zinc reduces
ear infection.
Hold your both nostrils closed and blow through your nose until you hear a pop.
Mix 1 tablespoon of milk with 1 tablespoon of olive oil or castor oil, then heat
the combination in a non aluminum pan.
Dose: Once the mixture has cooled off, put 4 drops into the inflamed ear every
hour and gently plug it up with cotton. Be sure the drops are not too hot.
WARNING : If your ear infection is painful and persistent, get medical
attention. You may have a serious condition that needs professional treatment.
Runny Ear Infection You'll need to go to a good, old-fashioned Italian fish
store for this remedy. Get the soft, transparent bone from a squid. Bake it until
it turns black and crush it into a powder. Taken orally- teaspoon before breakfast
and another teaspoon before dinner-it is said to help clear up a runny ear
infection.
Swimmer's Ear home remedies Soon after swimming, if you've noticed that it hurts
when you touch or move your ear, you may have an infection of the ear canal known
as "swimmer's ear." These remedies may bring some relief.
Combine 1 drop of grapefruit extract, 1 drop of tea tree oil and 2 drops of
olive oil, then put the mixture in your ear. Gently plug your ear with a cotton
ball. This should help clear up the infection.
Take a sock, fill it with salt, microwave it until it is warm and tolerable to
body. Lay your head on it. This may drain the fluid out.
To prevent infections, add 1 teaspoon of white vinegar to 4 tablespoons (2
ounces) of just-boiled water. Once the liquid is cool, store it in a bottle. Right
after swimming, put 2 drops of the vinegar mixture in each ear. Plug each ear with
a cotton ball and stay that way for about 10 minutes.
Put a few drops of hydrogen peroxide in the ear.
Earwax Use drops of warm mineral oil to help loosen wax. Wash the wax out with an
ear syringe and warm water. You can use garlic oil also. (Do not do this if you
have you suspect a rupture eardrum or ear infection or there is a discharge from
the ear.)
Regds
K.V.Vighnesh
Chennai.
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style="COLOR: red"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:
MS'">It is very
important to pay attention to ear infection in early stage. You can have inner ear
infection or middle ear infection or outer ear infection with different
symptoms.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div
FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Inflamed Ear </SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Take Vitamin
C to help boost the immune system and fight infection. Zinc reduces ear infection.
</SPAN><SPAN
MS'">Hold your both nostrils closed and blow through your nose until you hear a
pop. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI> <LI
Sans MS'">Mix 1 tablespoon of milk with 1 tablespoon of olive oil or castor oil,
then heat the combination in a non aluminum pan. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI></UL> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:
0in 0in 0pt;
auto"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans
MS'">Dose:</SPAN></B><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY:
'Comic Sans MS'"> </SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-
FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Once the mixture has cooled off, put 4 drops into the
inflamed ear every hour and gently plug it up with cotton. Be sure the drops are
not too hot. </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div
alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red;
FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; BACKGROUND: yellow;
COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; mso-highlight: yellow">WARNING : If your
ear infection is painful and persistent, get medical attention. You may have a
serious condition that
needs professional treatment</SPAN></B><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR:
#0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">. </SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR:
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Runny Ear
Infection </SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY:
'Comic Sans MS'">You'll need to go to a good, old-fashioned Italian fish store for
this remedy. Get the soft, transparent bone from a squid. Bake it until it turns
black and crush it into a powder. Taken orally- teaspoon before breakfast and
another teaspoon before dinner-it is said to help clear up a runny ear infection.
</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet
MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div
alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000bf; FONT-
FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><FONT size=3>Swimmer's Ear home remedies
</FONT></SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic
Sans MS'">Soon after swimming, if you've noticed that it hurts when you touch or
move your ear, you may have an infection of the ear canal known as "swimmer's ear."
These remedies may bring some relief. </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR:
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Combine 1
drop of grapefruit extract, 1 drop of tea tree oil and 2 drops of olive oil, then
put the mixture in your ear. Gently plug your
ear with a cotton ball. This should help clear up the infection. </SPAN><SPAN
MS'">Take a sock, fill it with salt, microwave it until it is warm and tolerable to
body. Lay your head on it. This may drain the fluid out. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-
FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI> <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">To prevent
infections, add 1 teaspoon of white vinegar to 4 tablespoons (2 ounces) of just-
boiled water. Once the
liquid is cool, store it in a bottle. Right after swimming, put 2 drops of the
vinegar mixture in each ear. Plug each ear with a cotton ball and stay that way for
about 10 minutes. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Put a few drops of hydrogen peroxide
in the ear. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet
MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI></UL> <div><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR:
#0000bf; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';
language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Earwax </SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-
SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans
MS'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New
Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language:
AR-SA">Use drops of warm mineral oil to help loosen wax. Wash the wax out with an
ear syringe and warm water. You can use garlic oil also. (Do not do this if you
have you suspect a rupture eardrum or ear infection or there is a discharge from
the ear.)</SPAN></div> <div><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-
FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-
mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Regds</SPAN></div> <div><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: #7f007f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New
fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">K.V.Vighnesh</SPAN></div>
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language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language:
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Dear Jyotishas & Spiritualists,
One intresting thing i came to know about 'Mahatma Gandhi'. I was reading the
autobiography of a Yogi whose name is 'Yogeshwar'. he has witten his biography in
Gujarati language. name of the book is "Prakash na panthe"
He has mentioned in the book that once he was meditating. his consciousness left
the body and travelled to a place where there was a small hut at the bank of a
river. one person was singing, in a very beautiful voice. and suddenly Shri
yogeshwar heard a loud voice which revealed that "Narsinha Mehta had taken rebirth
as Mahatma Gandhi".
to give a little background, Narsinha Mehta was a very revered Saint of Gujarat
who had a great Bhakti for Lord Krishna. it is said that Krishna had taken complete
responsibility of his Yogakshem and had came to his rescue for 52 times.
Narsinh Mehta has composed many Bhakti Git which is called 'Prabhatiya' and his
most famous one is "Vaishnav jan to tene re kahiye...." which, intrestingly became
famous worldwide becuase of Mahatma Gandhi.
thought of sharing this information with you all.
Best Regards,
Utpal
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<div>Dear Jyotishas & Spiritualists,</div> <div> </div> <div>One intresting thing

i came to know about 'Mahatma Gandhi'. I was reading the autobiography of a Yogi
whose name is 'Yogeshwar'. he has witten his biography in Gujarati language. name
of the book is "Prakash na panthe"</div> <div> </div> <div>He has mentioned in
the book that once he was meditating. his consciousness left the body and travelled
to a place where there was a small hut at the bank of a river. one person was
singing, in a very beautiful voice. and suddenly Shri yogeshwar heard a loud voice
which revealed that "Narsinha Mehta had taken rebirth as Mahatma Gandhi".</div>
<div> </div> <div>to give a little background, Narsinha Mehta was a very revered
Saint of Gujarat who had a great Bhakti for Lord Krishna. it is said that Krishna
had taken complete responsibility of his Yogakshem and had came to his rescue for
52 times.</div> <div> </div> <div>Narsinh Mehta
has composed many Bhakti Git which is called 'Prabhatiya' and his most famous one
is "Vaishnav jan to tene re kahiye...." which, intrestingly became famous worldwide
becuase of Mahatma Gandhi.</div> <div> </div> <div>thought of sharing this
information with you all.</div> <div> </div> <div>Best Regards,</div>
<div> </div> <div>Utpal</div> <div> </div><p>
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Dear All,
A small touching story mainly for professionals. ..
A man came home from work late, tired and irritated, to find his
5-year old son waiting for him at the door.
SON: "Daddy, may I ask you a question?"
DAD: "Yeah sure, what is it?" replied the man.
SON: "Daddy, how much do you make an hour?"
DAD: "That's none of your business. Why do you ask such a thing?"
the man said angrily.
SON: "I just want to know. Please tell me, how much do you make an
hour?"
DAD: "If you must know, I make Rs.100 an hour."
SON: "Oh," the little boy replied, with his head down.
SON: "Daddy, may I please borrow Rs.50?"
The father was furious, "If the only reason you asked that is so you
can borrow some money to buy a silly toy or some other nonsense, then
you march yourself straight to your room and go to bed. Think about
why you are being so selfish. I work hard everyday for such this
childish behavior."
The little boy quietly went to his room and shut the door.
The man sat down and started to get even angrier about the little
boy's questions. How dare he ask such questions only to get some
money?
After about an hour or so, the man had calmed down, and started to
think: Maybe there was something he really needed to buy with that
Rs.50 and he really didn't ask for money very often. The man went to
the door of the little boy's room and opened the door.
"Are you asleep, son?" He asked.
"No daddy, I'm awake," replied the boy.
"I've been thinking, maybe I was too hard on you earlier" said the
man.
"It's been a long day and I took out my aggravation on you.. Here's the
Rs.50 you asked for."
The little boy sat straight up, smiling. "Oh, thank you daddy!" He
yelled.
Then, reaching under his pillow he pulled out some crumpled up bills.
The man saw that the boy already had money, started to get angry
again. The little boy slowly counted out his money, and then looked up
at his father.
"Why do you want more money if you already have some?" the father
grumbled.
"Because I didn't have enough, but now I do," the little boy replied.
"Daddy, I have Rs.100 now. Can I buy an hour of your time?
Please come home early tomorrow. I would like to have dinner with
you."
The father was crushed. He put his arms around his little son, and he
begged for his forgiveness.
It's just a short reminder to all of you working so hard in life. We

should not let time slip through our fingers without having spent some
time with those who really matter to us, those close to our hearts.
Do remember to share that Rs.100 worth of your time with someone you love.
If we die tomorrow, the company that we are working for could easily
replace us in a matter of days.
But the family & friends we leave behind will feel the loss for the
rest of their lives. And come to think of it, we pour ourselves more
into work than to our family.
Regds
K.V.Vighnesh
Chennai
9444961820
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<DIV>Dear All,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR>A small touching story mainly for

professionals. ..<BR><BR><BR> A man came home from work late, tired and irritated,
to find his<BR>5-year old son waiting for him at the door.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
SON: "Daddy, may I ask you a question?"<BR><BR><BR> DAD: "Yeah sure,
what is it?" replied the man.<BR><BR><BR><BR> SON: "Daddy, how much do
you make an hour?"<BR><BR><BR> DAD: "That's none of your business. Why do you ask
such a thing?"<BR><BR> the man said
angrily.<BR><BR><BR> SON: "I just want to know. Please tell me, how much do you
make an<BR><BR> hour?"<BR><BR><BR>
DAD: "If you must know, I make Rs.100 an hour."<BR><BR><BR> SON:
"Oh," the little boy replied, with his head down.<BR><BR><BR><BR> SON:
"Daddy, may I please borrow Rs.50?"<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> The father was furious, "If
the only reason you asked that is so you<BR><BR> can borrow some money to buy a
silly toy or some other nonsense, then<BR> you march yourself straight to your room
and go to bed. Think about<BR><BR> why you are being so selfish. I work hard
everyday for such this<BR> childish
behavior."<BR><BR><BR><BR> The little boy quietly went to his room and shut the
door.<BR><BR><BR> The man sat down and started to get even angrier about the
little<BR><BR> boy's questions. How dare he ask such questions
only to get some<BR> money?<BR><BR><BR> After about
an hour or so, the man had calmed down, and started to<BR><BR> think: Maybe there
was something he really needed to buy with that<BR> Rs.50 and he really didn't ask
for money very often. The man went to<BR><BR> the door of the little boy's
room and opened the door.<BR><BR> "Are you asleep, son?" He
asked.<BR><BR><BR><BR> "No daddy, I'm awake," replied the
boy.<BR><BR><BR> "I've been thinking, maybe I was too hard on you earlier" said
the<BR><BR> man.<BR><BR><BR> "It's been a long day
and I took out my aggravation on you.. Here's
the<BR><BR> Rs.50 you asked for."<BR><BR><BR> The little
boy sat straight up, smiling. "Oh, thank you daddy!" He<BR><BR>
yelled.<BR><BR><BR> Then, reaching under his pillow he pulled out some crumpled up
bills.<BR> The man saw that the boy already had money, started to get
angry<BR><BR> again. The little boy slowly counted out his money, and then looked
up<BR> at his father.<BR><BR><BR><BR> "Why do you want
more money if you already have some?" the father<BR>
grumbled.<BR><BR><BR><BR> "Because I didn't have enough, but now I do," the little
boy
replied.<BR><BR><BR> "Daddy, I have Rs.100 now. Can I buy an hour of your
time?<BR><BR><BR><BR> Please come home early tomorrow. I would like to have dinner
with<BR> you."<BR><BR><BR><BR> The father was
crushed. He put his arms around his little son, and he<BR>
begged for his forgiveness.<BR><BR><BR><BR> It's just a short reminder to all of
you working so hard in life. We<BR> should not let time slip through our fingers
without having spent some<BR><BR> time with those who really matter to us, those
close to our hearts.<BR><BR><BR>Do remember to share that Rs.100 worth of your time
with someone you love.<BR><BR> If we die tomorrow, the company that we are working
for could easily<BR>
replace us in a matter of days.<BR><BR> But the family & friends we leave
behind will feel the loss for the<BR> rest of their lives. And come to think of
it, we pour ourselves more<BR> into work than to our
family.</DIV> <DIV>Regds</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>K.V.Vighnesh</DIV>
<DIV>Chennai</DIV> <DIV>9444961820</DIV><p>

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Hi,
With all due respect to both Gandhiji and Yogeshwar, I completely

dis=
agree to this story. If you look deeper Gnadhiji and Narshi Mehta
are pole=
s apart. Narsi Mehta was one of those few people who in the
path of bhakti=
had come to the stage of being able to percieve and
uderstand the real ra=
sa-lila of krishna. This happens at a VERY VERY
VERY advanced stage. All t=
he nadis in the body get cleared beyond
the three gunas and then and only =
then the energy of the soul flows
throught them and rasa lila can be under=
stood happening inside the
body. Someone who has reached this stage would =
NEVER EVER in any
birth think of anything other than this stage. It is, th=
ey say, far
beyond anythin one can even remote imagine.
Gandhiji had a di=

fferent purpose, and he was a different man
completely from Narsi Mehta. H=
is aim and focus of life was
independence struggle which he did fight for =
in his own remarkable
way. No doubt he was a terrific personality in terms=
of the indian
as well as the world politcan scenario. But he was not real=
ly a
spiritual saint. Unlike Narsi Mehta who was a pure saint and nothing =
else. Both have their purpose in the scheme of things and both are
equall=
y worthy of respect. But one is not the other at all! No even
in any birth=
s. Never.
In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak@..=

.>
wrote:
>
> Dear Jyotishas & Spiritualists,
>
> One intresting thi=
ng i came to know about 'Mahatma Gandhi'. I
was reading the autobiography =
of a Yogi whose name is 'Yogeshwar'.
he has witten his biography in Gujara=
ti language. name of the book
is "Prakash na panthe"
>
> He has ment=
ioned in the book that once he was meditating. his
consciousness left the =
body and travelled to a place where there was
a small hut at the bank of a=
river. one person was singing, in a
very beautiful voice. and suddenly Sh=
ri yogeshwar heard a loud voice
which revealed that "Narsinha Mehta had ta=
ken rebirth as Mahatma
Gandhi".
>
> to give a little background, Nar=
sinha Mehta was a very revered
Saint of Gujarat who had a great Bhakti for=
Lord Krishna. it is said
that Krishna had taken complete responsibility o=
f his Yogakshem and
had came to his rescue for 52 times.
>
> Narsinh=
Mehta has composed many Bhakti Git which is
called 'Prabhatiya' and his m=
ost famous one is "Vaishnav jan to tene
re kahiye...." which, intrestingly=
became famous worldwide becuase
of Mahatma Gandhi.
>
> thought of s=
haring this information with you all.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Utp=
al
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> You rock. That=
's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of
Blockbuster Total Access, N=
o Cost.
>

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Rajashri Bahen,
I have put forth what came in my knowledge. at this point =

i neither
belive nor disbelive Shri Yogeshwarji's revealation.
The Astrol=
ogers working on Previous birth connections might get some
useful informat=
ion with that.
but one thing must be said here is that the Unfathomable, a=

re the
ways of higher consious planes. one can not say with firmness that =
it is not possible for a saint to come as a completely different

personal=
ity to serve the people. even a Begger on the roadside with
completely dis=
agrreable ways & looks by todays standard might
turnout to be a great sain=
t and one may find another great saint,
working for society, among all the=
luxuries & media gaze and also
getting critisized by many.
There is a =
Poem of Shri Narsinha Mehta which goes like this "Hari na
Jan to Mukti Nav=
Mage..." means that the Bhaktas don't ask for
Liberation but they want to=
be born again and again for helping the
masses.
thanks for your honest v=

iews. I probably won't write anything
argumentative further in this connec=
tion.
Regards,
Utpal
regards,
Utpal
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogr=
oups.com, "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> With all due r=
espect to both Gandhiji and Yogeshwar, I completely
> disagree to this sto=
ry. If you look deeper Gnadhiji and Narshi
Mehta
> are poles apart. Narsi=
Mehta was one of those few people who in
the
> path of bhakti had come t=
o the stage of being able to percieve and
> uderstand the real rasa-lila o=
f krishna. This happens at a VERY
VERY
> VERY advanced stage. All the nad=
is in the body get cleared beyond
> the three gunas and then and only then=
the energy of the soul
flows
> throught them and rasa lila can be unders=
tood happening inside the
> body. Someone who has reached this stage would=
NEVER EVER in any
> birth think of anything other than this stage. It is,=
they say,
far
> beyond anythin one can even remote imagine.
>
> Gandhij=
i had a different purpose, and he was a different man
> completely from Na=
rsi Mehta. His aim and focus of life was
> independence struggle which he =
did fight for in his own remarkable
> way. No doubt he was a terrific pers=
onality in terms of the indian
> as well as the world politcan scenario. B=
ut he was not really a
> spiritual saint. Unlike Narsi Mehta who was a pur=
e saint and
nothing
> else. Both have their purpose in the scheme of thin=
gs and both are
> equally worthy of respect. But one is not the other at a=
ll! No
even
> in any births. Never.
>
>
>
> In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroup=
s.com, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Jyotishas & Spir=
itualists,
> >
> > One intresting thing i came to know about 'Mahatma=
Gandhi'. I
> was reading the autobiography of a Yogi whose name is 'Yoges=
hwar'.
> he has witten his biography in Gujarati language. name of the boo=
k
> is "Prakash na panthe"
> >
> > He has mentioned in the book that=
once he was meditating. his
> consciousness left the body and travelled t=
o a place where there
was
> a small hut at the bank of a river. one perso=
n was singing, in a
> very beautiful voice. and suddenly Shri yogeshwar he=
ard a loud
voice
> which revealed that "Narsinha Mehta had taken rebirth =
as Mahatma
> Gandhi".
> >
> > to give a little background, Narsinha =
Mehta was a very revered
> Saint of Gujarat who had a great Bhakti for Lor=
d Krishna. it is
said
> that Krishna had taken complete responsibility of=
his Yogakshem
and
> had came to his rescue for 52 times.
> >
> > N=
arsinh Mehta has composed many Bhakti Git which is
> called 'Prabhatiya' a=
nd his most famous one is "Vaishnav jan to
tene
> re kahiye...." which, i=
ntrestingly became famous worldwide becuase
> of Mahatma Gandhi.
> >
>=
> thought of sharing this information with you all.
> >
> > Best R=
egards,
> >
> > Utpal
> >
>
> >
> >
> > ---------------=
------------------
> > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one =
month of
> Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.
> >
>

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Subject: American Acharya - Please Read and Forward
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Namaste,
A major feature article appeared today in the Lincoln Journal Sta=

r
newspaper about the life and work of Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya
(Dr. F=
rank Morales), the Acharya of the Hindu Temple of Omaha, and one
of America=
's most popular Hindu leaders.
The focus of the article is on the ground-b=

reaking work Sri Acharyaji
is doing to welcome thousands of non-Indian Amer=
icans to Sanatana
Dharma.
In addition to the very favorable article reprod=

uced below, there is a
beautiful slide presentation on the newspaper's webs=
ite with audio of
Sri Acharyaji talking about his work to restore Sanatana =
Dharma
globally. Please see the link below for both the article and slide
p=
resentation.
Please forward this very pro-Hindu article to everyone you kn=

ow.
Thank you.
Sanatana Dharma Jayate!

htt=
p://www.journalstar.com/articles/2008/03/29/living/religion/doc47ed42c7851c=
64\
14830327.txt
Hindu convert a spiritual teacher at temple in Omaha

By =
BOB REEVES/Lincoln Journal Star
Saturday, Mar 29, 2008 - 12:14:55 am CDT
O=
MAHA =97 When Frank Morales was only 10 years old, growing up in
Brooklyn, =
N.Y., he developed a strong interest in spirituality.
"I started reading t=

he various scriptures of the world," he said. He
read the Bible, the Quran,=
ancient Buddhist texts. Finally, he read
the Bhagavad Gita, a short book t=
hat is one of the most revered of
Hindu scriptures.
"I felt I'd found what=

I was looking for," he said.
The Gita tells the story of Arjuna, a warrio=
r in India, who is caught
up in a battle between members of his own family.=
In a crisis of
conscience, he turns to Krishna, an incarnation of God, for=
advice.
Krishna gives Arjuna instruction and answers his questions, provid=
ing
a clear and logical explanation of the three paths of yoga, or union
wi=
th God.
The three paths =97 karma yoga (action), gyana-yoga (knowledge) an=
d
bhakti-yoga (devotion) =97 form the basis for the practice of Hinduism.
A=
s a young boy discovering them for the first time, Morales felt that
they g=
ave the most understandable explanation of the human situation
and human be=
ings' relationship with God.
"I was searching for a truth that was univers=

al, not just sectarian,"
he said. "I wasn't looking for faith; I was lookin=
g for philosophy.
It had to be universally applicable."
He went on to stud=
y more Hindu scriptures and soon discovered that
there are so many Hindu te=
xts that probably no one person has read
them all.
"They were written over=

many hundreds of years. They're older than
the Bible. They're considered t=
he oldest collection of writings known
to humanity."
At age 14, he made hi=

s first visit to a Hindu temple =97 in Queens,
N.Y. The temple was filled w=
ith beautiful artwork and statues
representing many Hindu deities, each of =
whom is considered a
different expression of God.
"It was absolutely stunn=

ing; I was overwhelmed," Morales said. "I
felt I was leaving the world behi=
nd, entering a spiritual world. I
finally sat down in front of a statue of =
Krishna, and in my own mind I
said, Ì'm home. This will be my religion for=
the rest of my life.'"
Morales went on to study philosophy and theology, =

eventually receiving
a doctoral degree with an emphasis on Hinduism and Asi=
an culture from
the University of Wisconsin in Madison. He made several tri=
ps to
India, and in 1986, after living as a celibate monk for six years, he=
was initiated as a Hindu priest.
Back in the United States, he became an =

acharya, or teacher of
Hinduism, and adopted the Sanskrit name Sri Dharma P=
ravartaka Acharya.
The word "dharma" means natural law; his name literally =
means "one who
sets the dharma in motion."
Morales has become a widely rec=

ognized Hindu teacher, especially
through his Web site, www.dharmacentral.c=
om. He is president of the
Last fal=
l, he became the resident acharya (spiritual teacher) at the
Hindu Temple o=
f Nebraska in Omaha. He teaches several different
classes, including introd=
uction to Hinduism, a study of the Bhagavad
Gita and a youth class. He give=
s a spiritual talk prior to Sunday
worship at the temple and also leads sat=
sang (meditation and religious
discourse) sessions weekly in Omaha, and onc=
e each month in Lincoln.
Most of his students are people of Indian backgro=

und who want to learn
more about their religion. But a growing number are p=
eople who come
from other religious traditions who want to learn about Hind=
uism. A
few of those have decided, like Morales did, to become Hindus thems=
elves.
"Hinduism does not look for converts," Morales said. "But we do lik=
e
to teach. Anyone is welcome to come and learn."
Heather Mortensen is one=

of his students who considers herself a
convert to Hinduism. She grew up i=
n an evangelical Christian family,
but said she had many doubts about the G=
od of the Bible, who often is
depicted as angry and judgmental. She went to=
www.beliefnet.com to
learn about other religions. "I was super impressed w=
ith the Hindu
quotes," she said.
That led her to read the Bhagavad Gita an=
d felt it answered her
questions about God and human destiny. "I was in bli=
ss the entire day
while I was reading it."
Mortensen said she found the Hi=

ndu concept of reincarnation most
appealing, because it gives people a chan=
ce to keep striving, through
successive lives, to learn and grow closer to =
God.
She began studying with Morales in Wisconsin, and when he came to

Neb=
raska last fall, she moved to Omaha to continue taking classes from
him. Mo=
rtensen goes to the Hindu Temple regularly to meditate and
participates in =
Sunday services there with the Hindu community.
The temple serves about 1,=

000 families =97 predominantly immigrants from
India and their children =97=
but there are a few converts, like
Mortensen, who regularly attend service=
s.
"I'm getting to know them (the Indians)," she said. "They're usually
su=
rprised at first =97 but I remind them I'm Hindu by telling them my
Hindu n=
ame." Mortensen took the Sanskrit name Tulasi in a ritual in
which she vowe=
d to follow Hindu teachings and practices.
On May 29, Morales will lead a =

ritual in Council Bluffs for 20 or more
people who are becoming Hindus. He =
estimates that about 1.5 million
Americans nationwide have converted to Hin=
duism.
Stephanie Guilfoyle, another of Morales' students who lives in Omah=

a,
was raised Lutheran and converted to Catholicism when she got married,
b=
ut about 10 years ago began studying different forms of Buddhism.
That even=
tually led her to Hinduism, since the Buddha was himself a
practicing Hindu=
.
"I was searching for the truth =97 I was searching for the root of all
t=
he traditions I had studied," she said. "When I read the Bhagavad
Gita, I f=
elt, `This is what all the other religions are saying, but
it's in the pure=
st form, the most undiluted.'"
In the Gita, Krishna teaches Arjuna about t=

he nature of the soul and
about the difference between eternal reality and =
the changing world of
sensory experience. The ultimate destiny of all peopl=
e, Krishna says,
is union with God.
She described Morales as a gifted teac=

her who helped the meaning of
the text come alive.
John Granger, who grew =

up in a Catholic family and attended a Jesuit
high school, became an agnost=
ic at age 17 and didn't become a believer
again until he discovered Hinduis=
m at age 44.
"Hinduism seems to fit my spiritual path, but it was a path I=

was on
anyway," he said.
Granger enjoys the richness of the Hindu traditi=

on, which is reflected
in the many different deities represented in the Oma=
ha temple. The
temple has 12 separate sanctums, or altars, each with one or=
more
statues representing different incarnations of God. People from
vario=
us parts of India have certain deities that they honor, so Hindus
of all ba=
ckgrounds feel comfortable in the Omaha temple.
Ram Bishu, a University of=

Nebraska-Lincoln engineering professor and
chairman of the temple's religi=
ous committee, said the temple was
created primarily as a center of worship=
and teaching for people from
India who live in Nebraska and Iowa. But, he =
added, "We're totally
comfortable" with people of other religious backgroun=
ds visiting or
participating in prayers and rituals.
"Hinduism is not a pr=

oselytizing religion," he said. "We have no
formal way of converting someon=
e to Hinduism. It's a very
individualistic religion."
Bishu noted that man=

y Americans practice yoga as an exercise
technique, or a way of calming the=
ir mind, but most are not aware of
the spiritual side of yoga as taught at =
the temple. Some people may go
to the temple because they're studying yoga =
and want to learn more
about its origins and deeper meaning, he said.
Many=
church groups visit the temple seeking to learn about Hinduism
and promote=
inter-religious understanding.
"Hinduism is a religion of tolerance," Mor=

ales said. His goal as a
teacher, he said, is not to preach but to explain =
the religion and
offer "a supportive environment" for individual spiritual =
growth.
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Sorry, out of context for the group but still good enough to be shared with all.
The Technique can be practiced against such type of customers whom the
Astrologer face regularly..
A candle loses nothing if it is used to light another one.

a girl named Lalitha got married & went to live with her husband and mother-in-
law. In a very short time, Lalitha found that she couldn't get along with mother-
in-law at all. Their personalities were very different, and Lalitha was angered by
many of her mother-in-law' s habits. In addition, she criticized Lalitha
constantly.
Days passed, and weeks passed. Lalitha and her mother-in-law never stopped
arguing and fighting. But what made the situation even worse was that, according to
ancient Indian tradition, Lalitha had to bow to her mother-in-law and obey her
every wish. All the anger and unhappiness in the house was causing Li-Li's poor
husband great distress.
Finally, Lalitha could not stand her mother-in-law' s bad temper and dictatorship
any longer, and she decided to do something about it! Lalitha went to see her
father's good friend, Vighnesh, who sold herbs. She told him the situation and
asked if he would give her some poison so that she could solve the problem once and
for all..
Vighnesh thought for a while, and finally said, 'Li-Li, I will help you solve
your problem, but you must listen to me and obey what I tell you.'
Lalithasaid, 'Yes, Vighnesh, I will do whatever you tell me to do.'Vighnesh went

into the back room, and returned in a few minutes with a package of herbs. He told
Lalitha, 'You can't use a quick-acting poison to get rid of your mother-in-law,
because that would cause people to become suspicious. Therefore, I have given you a
number of herbs that will slowly build up poison in her body. Every other day
prepare some delicious meal and put a little of these herbs in her serving. Now, in
order to make sure that nobody suspect you, when she dies, you must be very careful
to be actively friendly towards her. 'Don't argue with her, obey her every wish,
and treat her like a queen.' Lalitha was so happy. She thanked Vighnesh and hurried
home to start her plot of murdering her mother-in-law.
Weeks went by, and months went by, and every other day, Lalitha served the
specially treated food to her mother-in-law. . She remembered what Vighnesh had
said about avoiding suspicion, so she controlled her temper, obeyed her mother-in-
law, and treated her like her own mother.
After 6 months had passed, the whole household had changed. Lalitha had practiced
controlling her temper so much that she found that she almost never got mad or
upset. She hadn't had an argument with her mother-in-law in 6 months because she
now seemed much kinder and easier to get along with.
The mother-in-law' s attitude toward Lalitha changed, and she began to love
Lalitha like her own daughter. She kept telling friends and relatives that Lalitha
was the best daughter-in- law one could ever find. Lalitha and her mother-in-law
were now treating each other like a real mother and daughter. Lalitha's husband was
very happy to see what was happening.
One day, Lalitha came to see Vighnesh and asked for his help again She said,
'Dear Vighnesh, please help me to keep the poison from killing my mother-in-law.
She's changed into such a nice woman, and I love her like my own mother. I do not
want her to die because of the poison I gave her.'
Vighnesh smiled and nodded his head.. 'Li-Li, there's nothing to worry about. I
never gave you any poison. The herbs I gave you were vitamins to improve her
health. The only poison was in your mind and your attitude toward her, but that has
been all washed away by the love which you gave to her.'
There is a wise Chinese saying: 'The person who loves others will also be loved
in return.' God might be trying to work in another person's life through you.
'A candle loses nothing if it is used to light another one .
And let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we shall reap if we do
not grow weary - Paul The Apostle
LIVE well .... LAUGH often ... LOVE much.
Do forward it to your friends wherever you can to spread the knowledge. You will
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Sorry, out of context for the group
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class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-
SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </SPAN>The Technique can be practiced against such type of customers whom the
Astrologer face regularly..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt;
FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:
0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Tahoma"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div
class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN:
0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; BACKGROUND: yellow; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-
highlight: yellow">A candle loses nothing if it is used to light another
one</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; BACKGROUND: yellow; FONT-FAMILY:
Tahoma; mso-highlight: yellow">.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Tahoma"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div
SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">a girl named Lalitha got married & went to live
with her husband and mother-in-law. In a very short time, Lalitha found that she
couldn't get along with mother-in-law at all. Their personalities were very
different, and Lalitha was angered by many of her mother-in-law' s habits. In
addition, she criticized Lalitha constantly. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div
class=MsoNormal
Tahoma">Days passed, and weeks passed. Lalitha and her mother-in-law never stopped
arguing and fighting. But what made the situation even worse was that, according to
ancient Indian tradition, Lalitha had to bow to her mother-in-law and obey her
every wish. All the anger and unhappiness in the house was causing Li-Li's poor
husband great distress. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal
Tahoma">Finally, Lalitha could not stand her mother-in-law' s bad temper and
dictatorship any
longer, and she decided to do something about it! Lalitha went to see her father's
good friend, Vighnesh, who sold herbs. She told him the situation and asked if he
would give her some poison so that she could solve the problem once and for all..
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-
ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Tahoma"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Vighnesh
thought for a while, and finally said, 'Li-Li, I will help you solve your problem,
but you must listen to me and obey what I tell you.'<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div
SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal
FONT-FAMILY:
Tahoma">Lalithasaid, 'Yes, Vighnesh, I will do whatever you tell me to
do.'Vighnesh went into the back room, and returned in a few minutes with a package
of herbs. He told Lalitha, 'You can't use a quick-acting poison to get rid of your
mother-in-law, because that would cause people to become suspicious. Therefore, I
have given you a number of herbs that will slowly build up poison in her body.
Every other day prepare some delicious meal and put a little of these herbs in her
serving. Now, in order to make sure that nobody suspect you, when she dies, you
must be very careful to be actively friendly towards her. 'Don't argue with her,
obey her every wish, and treat her like a queen.' Lalitha was so happy. She thanked
Vighnesh and hurried home to start her plot of murdering her mother-in-law.
Tahoma"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></div> <div
class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Weeks went by, and months went by, and
every other day, Lalitha served the specially treated food to her mother-in-law. .
She remembered what Vighnesh had said about avoiding suspicion, so she controlled
her temper, obeyed her mother-in-law, and treated her like her own mother.
TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">After 6
months had passed, the whole household had changed. Lalitha had practiced
controlling her temper so much that she found that she almost never got mad or
upset. She hadn't had an argument with her mother-in-law in 6 months because she
now seemed much kinder and easier to get along
with. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY:
TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">The mother-
in-law' s attitude toward Lalitha changed, and she began to love Lalitha like her
own daughter. She kept telling friends and relatives that Lalitha was the best
daughter-in- law one could ever find. Lalitha and her mother-in-law were now
treating each other like a real mother and daughter. Lalitha's husband was very
happy to see what was happening.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal
Tahoma">One day, Lalitha
came to see Vighnesh and asked for his help again She said, 'Dear Vighnesh, please
help me to keep the poison from killing my mother-in-law. She's changed into such a
nice woman, and I love her like my own mother. I do not want her to die because of
the poison I gave her.' <o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal
Tahoma">Vighnesh smiled and nodded his head.. 'Li-Li, there's nothing to worry
about. I never gave you any poison. The herbs I gave you were vitamins to improve
her health. The only poison was in your mind and your attitude toward her, but that
has been all washed away by the love which you gave to her.'
ALIGN: justify"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></div> <div
SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">There is a wise Chinese saying: 'The person who
loves others will also be loved in return.' God might be trying to work in another
person's life through you. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal
0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; BACKGROUND: yellow; COLOR: #339966; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;
mso-highlight: yellow">'A candle loses nothing if it is used to light another
one</SPAN></B><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt;
COLOR: #339966; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> </SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt;
FONT-FAMILY:
Tahoma">.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm
0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY:
TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">And let us
not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we shall reap if we do not grow
weary<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>- Paul The Apostle
TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">LIVE
well .... LAUGH often ... LOVE much.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal
FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm
0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; BACKGROUND: yellow; COLOR:
red; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-highlight: yellow">Do forward it to your friends
wherever you can to spread the knowledge. You will surely be remembered for
Good</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Tahoma">.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;
Tahoma">Regards,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm
0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Tahoma">Vighnesh<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm
0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt;
FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p> Chennai.</o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal
FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p>mail chat id: <A
href="mailto:kvvighnesh@...">kvvighnesh@...</A> </o:p></SPAN></div> <div
SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">About the Writer<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div
SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Basically Astrologer and Ayurvedic
Practioner.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm
0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">But
used many such psychological technique in solving life complex
problems.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div><p>
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> We have seen in past many filmi actors standing for elections i=
n Andhra
> Pradesh, it is common knowledge of the fan's madness in state li=
ke
> Andhra Pradesh, so somebody winning is a fore gone conclusion. How
=
It is debatable whether this is actually a foregone conclusion or not. The =
times are different now than when NTR came. However, that is besides the po=
int.
Given that Chiranjeevi is said to be seriously considering political =

entry, this prediction, if made now, has a 50% (or perhaps higher) chance. =
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praise me, I am realistic enough to know how little I know. Also, I did mak=
e many bad predictions in the past. Thus, this is not at all about me and I=
have no reason to tout.
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------------------=
------------------------------------------
Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: htt=
p://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/gro=
up/vedic-wisdom
Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.=
net
Sri Jag=
annath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
------------------=
------------------------------------------------
--- In JyotishGroup@yaho=
ogroups.com, "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64@...> wrote:
> Dear PVR,
>
> We =
have seen in past many filmi actors standing for elections in Andhra
> Prad=
esh, it is common knowledge of the fan's madness in state like
> Andhra Pra=
desh, so somebody winning is a fore gone conclusion. How
> much impact he=
may make and come back in subsequent elections should be
> the analysis. =
It was only N.T. Rama Rao who had a vision and was very
> good at implemen=
tation, for he knew the pulse of the people. He is only
> qualified Chief =
Minister or elected member of A.P. legislative party,
> who did good to the=
State since Independence or formation of A.P. state.
>
> Chandrababu Naid=
u did, but lacked the media coverage advantage.
>
> Let me make a honest s=
tatement - that I do NOT want to underscore your
> analysis.
>
> With rega=
rds,
>
> Sreeram_Srinivas
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<HTML><HEAD>=

">
<STYLE></STYLE=
>
</HEAD>
,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><F=
ONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> We have seen in past many filmi actors
stan=
ding for elections in Andhra<BR>> Pradesh, it is common knowledge of the=
fan's madness in state like<BR>> Andhra Pradesh, so somebody winning i=

s a
fore gone conclusion. How</FONT></DIV>
rial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It is de=
batable whether this is actually
a foregone conclusion or not. The ti=
mes are different now than when
NTR came. </FONT><FONT face=3DArial s=
ize=3D2>However, that is besides the
point.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Give=
n that Chiranjeevi is said to be seriously
considering political entry, th=
is prediction, if made now, has a 50% (or
perhaps higher) chance. How=
ever, when the Express Star Teller article was
written in August 2000, the=
chances of Chiranjeevi coming into politics in
2008-09 were not at all hi=
gh. It was not a commonsense prediction, but made
based just on the a=
strological principles I know.</FONT></DIV>
2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My purpose was not t=
o tout, though one may assume
so. Because it is an interesting prediction =
from 8 years back, I wanted to share
it with fellow *fans of astrology*. T=
his is about the greatness of Jyotish
principles taught by Parasara and ot=
her rishis and how beautifully they work
sometimes, even when applied by a=
n idiot like me (my knowledge is small now but
was even smaller in 2000 wh=
en this prediction was made). This is about Jyotish
and not at all about m=
e. Though some people like me and praise me, I
am realistic enou=
gh to know how little I know. Also, I did make many bad
predictions in the=
past. Thus, this is not at all about me and I have no reason
to tout.</FO=
NT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR> </FONT></DIV>
ial size=3D2>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>-------------------------------=
-----------------------------------<BR>Do
hr=
ef=3D"">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</A><BR>Spirituality: <A
href=
=3D"">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom</A><BR>Free Jyotish lesson=
s
(MP3): <A href=3D"">http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net</A><BR>Free Jyoti=
sh
software (Windows): <A href=3D"">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org</A><BR>=
Sri
href=3D"">http://www.SriJagannath.=
org</A><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------=
--<BR> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>--- In <A href=
=3D"">JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com</A>,
"sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64@.=
..> wrote:<BR>> Dear PVR,<BR>>
<BR>> We have seen in past many=
filmi actors standing for elections in
Andhra<BR>> Pradesh, it is comm=
on knowledge of the fan's madness in state
like<BR>> Andhra Pradesh, so=
somebody winning is a fore gone
conclusion. How<BR>> much =
impact he may make and come back in
subsequent elections should be<BR>>=
the analysis. It was only
N.T. Rama Rao who had a vision and =
was very<BR>> good at implementation, for
he knew the pulse of the peop=
le. He is only<BR>> qualified Chief
Minister or elected member of=
A.P. legislative party,<BR>> who did good to
the State since Independe=
nce or formation of A.P. state.<BR>> <BR>>
Chandrababu Naidu did, bu=
t lacked the media coverage advantage.<BR>> <BR>>
Let me make a hone=
st statement - that I do NOT want to underscore your<BR>>
analysis.<BR>=
> <BR>> With regards,<BR>> <BR>>
Sreeram_Srinivas<BR></FONT></=
DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Namaste,
My apologies. Typed a wrong list name. This was not meant for ve=
dic-wisdom list.
Best regards,
Narasimha
--------------------------------=
----------------------------------
Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.=
VedicAstrologer.org/homam
Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic=
-wisdom
Free=
Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
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entre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
--------------------------=
----------------------------------------

=
From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao
To: JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com ; vedic-wis=
dom@yahoogroups.com ; sohamsa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 09,=
2008 9:22 AM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Prediction on Chiranjeevi (Telu=
gu Film Megastar)
Namaste,
> We have seen in past many filmi actors =

standing for elections in Andhra
> Pradesh, it is common knowledge of the=
fan's madness in state like
> Andhra Pradesh, so somebody winning is a f=
ore gone conclusion. How
It is debatable whether this is actually a fo=

regone conclusion or not. The times are different now than when NTR came. H=
owever, that is besides the point.
Given that Chiranjeevi is said to be =

seriously considering political entry, this prediction, if made now, has a =
50% (or perhaps higher) chance. However, when the Express Star Teller artic=
le was written in August 2000, the chances of Chiranjeevi coming into polit=
ics in 2008-09 were not at all high. It was not a commonsense prediction, b=
ut made based just on the astrological principles I know.
My purpose was=
not to tout, though one may assume so. Because it is an interesting predic=
tion from 8 years back, I wanted to share it with fellow *fans of astrology=
*. This is about the greatness of Jyotish principles taught by Parasara and=
other rishis and how beautifully they work sometimes, even when applied by=
an idiot like me (my knowledge is small now but was even smaller in 2000 w=
hen this prediction was made). This is about Jyotish and not at all about m=
e. Though some people like me and praise me, I am realistic enough to know =
how little I know. Also, I did make many bad predictions in the past. Thus,=
this is not at all about me and I have no reason to tout.
Best regar=
ds,
Narasimha
---------------------------------------------------------=
---------
Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/hom=
am
Free Jyotis=
h lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
Free Jyotish software=
Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) web=
site: http://www.SriJagannath.org
---------------------------------------=
---------------------------
--- In JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com, "sre=

eram srinivas" <sreeram64@...> wrote:
> Dear PVR,
>
> We have seen i=
n past many filmi actors standing for elections in Andhra
> Pradesh, it i=
s common knowledge of the fan's madness in state like
> Andhra Pradesh, s=
o somebody winning is a fore gone conclusion. How
> much impact he may =
make and come back in subsequent elections should be
> the analysis. It=
was only N.T. Rama Rao who had a vision and was very
> good at implement=
ation, for he knew the pulse of the people. He is only
> qualified Chief=
Minister or elected member of A.P. legislative party,
> who did good to =
the State since Independence or formation of A.P. state.
>
> Chandraba=
bu Naidu did, but lacked the media coverage advantage.
>
> Let me make=
a honest statement - that I do NOT want to underscore your
> analysis.
=
>
> With regards,
>
> Sreeram_Srinivas
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">
<STYLE></STYLE=
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</HEAD>
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<DIV><F=
ONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My apologies. Typed a wrong list name. This was n=
ot
meant for vedic-wisdom list.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>--------------=
----------------------------------------------------<BR>Do
Ganapathi Homam=
Yourself: <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam">http://www.Ved=
icAstrologer.org/homam</A><BR>Spirituality:
<A
href=3D"http://groups.yaho=
o.com/group/vedic-wisdom">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom</A><BR=
>Free
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t">http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net</A><BR>Free
Jyotish software (Window=
s): <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org">http://www.VedicAstrologer.=
org</A><BR>Sri
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agannath.org">http://www.SriJagannath.org</A><BR>--------------------------=
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ginal Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10=
pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=3Dpvr@... hre=
f=3D"mailto:pvr@...">Narasimha P.V.R.
Rao</A> </DIV>
<DIV styl=
e=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3DJyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com
=
href=3D"mailto:JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com">JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com=
</A> ;
href=3D"mailto:vedic-w=
isdom@yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com</A> ;
<A title=3Dsoh=
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oogroups.com</A> </DIV>
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esday, April 09, 2008 9:22
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B=
>Subject:</B> [vedic-wisdom] Re: Prediction on
Chiranjeevi (Telugu Film =
Megastar)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Namast=
e,</FONT></DIV>
<D=
IV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> We have seen in past many filmi actors =
standing for elections in Andhra<BR>> Pradesh, it is common knowledge=

of
the fan's madness in state like<BR>> Andhra Pradesh, so somebody =
winning is
a fore gone conclusion. How</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
ze=3D2>It is debatable whether this is actually
a foregone conclusi=
on or not. The times are different now than when
NTR came. </FONT><=
FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, that is besides the
point.</FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
e=3DArial size=3D2>Given that Chiranjeevi is said to be seriously
consid=
ering political entry, this prediction, if made now, has a 50% (or
=
perhaps higher) chance. However, when the Express Star Teller article was
=
written in August 2000, the chances of Chiranjeevi coming into politics i=
n
2008-09 were not at all high. It was not a commonsense prediction, but=
made
based just on the astrological principles I know.</FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>My purpose was not to tout, though one may assume
so. =
Because it is an interesting prediction from 8 years back, I wanted to
s=
hare it with fellow *fans of astrology*. This is about the greatness of
=
Jyotish principles taught by Parasara and other rishis and how beautifully =
they work sometimes, even when applied by an idiot like me (my knowledge=
is
small now but was even smaller in 2000 when this prediction was made=
). This is
about Jyotish and not at all about me. Though some peopl=
e like me
and praise me, I am realistic enough to know how little I=
know. Also, I did
make many bad predictions in the past. Thus, this is =
not at all about me and I
have no reason to tout.</FONT><FONT face=3DAri=
al size=3D2><BR> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best=
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>----------------------------------------------=
--------------------<BR>Do
href=3D"">htt=
p://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</A><BR>Spirituality: <A
href=3D"">http=
://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom</A><BR>Free Jyotish lessons
(MP3)=
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so=
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=
href=3D"">http://www.SriJagannath.or=
g</A><BR>------------------------------------------------------------------=
<BR> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>--- In <A
hre=
f=3D"">JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com</A>, "sreeram srinivas"
<sreeram6=
4@...> wrote:<BR>> Dear PVR,<BR>> <BR>> We have seen
in past=
many filmi actors standing for elections in Andhra<BR>> Pradesh, it
=
is common knowledge of the fan's madness in state like<BR>> Andhra Prade=
sh,
so somebody winning is a fore gone conclusion. How<BR>&g=
t; much
impact he may make and come back in subsequent elections should =
be<BR>> the
analysis. It was only N.T. Rama Rao who had a=
vision and was
very<BR>> good at implementation, for he knew the pul=
se of the
people. He is only<BR>> qualified Chief Minister or e=
lected member of
A.P. legislative party,<BR>> who did good to the Sta=
te since Independence
or formation of A.P. state.<BR>> <BR>> Chand=
rababu Naidu did, but lacked
the media coverage advantage.<BR>> <BR>&=
gt; Let me make a honest statement
- that I do NOT want to underscore yo=
ur<BR>> analysis.<BR>> <BR>>
With regards,<BR>> <BR>>
Sr=
eeram_Srinivas</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Namaste Sir,
> > i will say if the person is spiritual ...go and do tapas=
ya in
> > Himalay..why sitting in pleasure world and earning money and
> > =
enjoying all world pleasures.
Sitting in pleasure world and earning money=

is NOT synonymous to "enjoying all world pleasures". One may be sitting in=
pleasure world, earning money and engaging externally in various activitie=
s, but the mind may be established in peace and bliss.
A realized person =
is NOT identified by the actions he/she engages in. Just as an electric fan=
continues to turn for a few minutes even after the electricity is turned o=
ff, a realized person who is still in a body continues to engage in actions=
based on the previous flow. After King Janaka realized Self, he continued =
as the king of Mithila and did all royal duties. After Krishna made Arjuna =
realize Self, Arjuna fought a war and killed his gurus, brothers, grandfath=
er etc.
One who has not yet realized Self will distinguish between variou=
s objects of this dual world and view some as good and some as bad. He/she =
will try to stay away from so-called bad actions. On the other hand, a real=
ized person sees all people, objects and actions of this universe as the sa=
me Self and sees no reason to either be attracted to or repelled from anyth=
ing. His/her actions and inactions are thus not based on the principles of =
attraction and repulsion. They are based on the previous flow.
Renouncing=
wife, children, job, money etc is an attempt to find true mental renunciat=
ion. Renouncing external objects can promote mental renunciation, but not g=
uarantee it. On the other hand, one can remain in the midst of the material=
world and all the external objects and yet have a perfectly stable, peacef=
ul and blissful mind that is not attracted to or repelled from any of the o=
bjects one is surrounded by. For all you know, a big film star like Rajinik=
anth, who makes millions of dollars per movie, surrounded by glamour, money=
and adulation, may be more detached at the mental level than many yogis in=
Himalayas. It is probably true in the case of Rajinikanth.
When one stay=
s away from objects that may attract one, it is relatively easy to overcome=
attraction temporarily. Whether one can retain that renunciation when one =
comes in contact with the objects again or not is a questionmark. On the ot=
her hand, to be in contact with the objects that may attract one and yet ma=
intain mental detachment and mental renunciation is tougher. It is the true=
test.
It is not out of place to mention a small story.
Trilinga Swami =
lived for about 300 years and did unbelievable austerities in Kashi. When R=
amakrishna Paramahamsa met him in Kashi, he remarked to his sishyas that Tr=
ilinga Swami was Shiva Himself and a fully realized being. Narendranath (Sw=
ami Vivekananda) was not with him on that pilgrimage and he made a point to=
force Narendranath to go to Kashi later to have a darshan of Trilinga Swam=
i!
Lahiri Mahashaya was the guru of Yukteshwar Maharaj, who was the guru =
of Paramahamsa Yogananda. Lahiri Mahashaya was a householder and had a high=
-paying job. Yet he realized Self. Trilnga Swami spoke little, but he once =
spoke a few words in Lahiri Mahashaya's praise. He said, "The state of mind=
I achieved by renouncing everything, Lahiri achieved it while being a hous=
eholder, being in the middle of everything. I bow to him."
* * =
*
> > in my view, being a senior astrologer doesnt make one to cert=
ify any
> > persons doings as good and spiritual.
Nobody can "certify" an=

ybody. However, those who know some astrology can give their views on chart=
s that are shared and discussed publicly. If some people see those views as=
a "certificates", it is their perception.
* * *
Self-r=
ealization can be consistently defined. However, spirituality is tough to d=
efine. It will mean different things to different people.
The goal of all=

spiritual journeys is to realize Self, at some time or the other. However,=
most spiritual journeys of this age do NOT end in Self-realization.
It i=
s limited ego that binds one to a limited existence like a body and stops o=
ne from realizing the all-pervading true Self. While a self-realized person=
's ego is completely killed, it is possible to make partial progress. There=
are many people, who overcome ego to various extents and realize to variou=
s degrees that body is temporary and it is not the true self. One can do so=
by following many spiritual paths, like the path of knowledge, the path of=
devotion, the path of pranayama, the path of hatha yoga, the path of work =
and service etc. One who overcomes ego to some extent, using any path, is m=
aking some spiritual progress. When the ego is completely subdued, one real=
izes the true Self. This realization is the same irrespective of the path f=
ollowed. However, intermediate steps look and feel different based on the p=
ath.
Enough of my 2 cents for tonight...
Best regards,
Narasimha
------=
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omam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
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oups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
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=
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> > =
Dear Prashant ji,
> >
> > in my view, being a senior astrologer doesnt make=
one to certify any
> > persons doings as good and spiritual.
> >
> > There=
are many factors which one over looks,
> >
> > and in true sense ....what =
is the real spiritualism.
> >
> > i will say if the person is spiritual ...=
go and do tapasya in
> > Himalay..why sitting in pleasure world and earning=
money and
> > enjoying all world pleasures.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tarun=
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<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> > i will say if the person is spiritu=
al
...go and do tapasya in<BR>> > Himalay..why sitting in pleasure w=
orld and
earning money and<BR>> > enjoying all world pleasures.</FON=
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
ce=3DArial size=3D2>Sitting in pleasure world and earning money
is&nb=
sp;NOT synonymous to "enjoying all world pleasures". One may be sitting in =
pleasure world, earning money and engaging externally in various activitie=

s, but
the mind may be established in peace and bliss.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
=3D2>A realized person is NOT identified by
the actions he/she e=
ngages in. Just as an electric fan continues
to turn for a few m=
inutes even after the electricity is turned off, a
realized person who is =
still in a body continues to engage in actions
based on the prev=
ious flow. After King Janaka realized Self, he continued as
the king =
of Mithila and did all royal duties. After Krishna made Arjuna
realize Sel=
f, Arjuna fought a war and killed his gurus, brothers, grandfather
etc.</F=
ONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2>One who has not yet realized Self will distinguish
b=
etween various objects of this dual world and view some as good and some as=
bad. He/she will try to stay away from so-called bad actions. On the othe=
r hand,
a realized person sees all people, objects and actions of this uni=
verse as the
same Self and sees no reason to either be attracted to or rep=
elled from
anything. His/her actions and inactions are thus not based on t=
he principles of
attraction and repulsion. They are based on the previous =
flow.</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Renouncing wife, children, job, money etc is =
an
attempt to find true mental renunciation. Renouncing external objects c=
an
promote mental renunciation, but not guarantee it. On the other hand, o=
ne can
remain in the midst of the material world and all the external obje=
cts and yet
have a perfectly stable, peaceful and blissful mind that is no=
t attracted to or
repelled from any of the objects one is surrounded by. F=
or all you know, a big
film star like Rajinikanth, who makes millions of d=
ollars per movie, surrounded
by glamour, money and adulation, may be more =
detached at the mental level than
many yogis in Himalayas. It is probably =
true in the case of
Rajinikanth.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When one stays aw=
ay from objects that may attract
one, it is relatively easy to overcome at=
traction temporarily. Whether one can
retain that renunciation when one co=
mes in contact with the objects
again or not is a questionmark. On th=
e other hand, to be in contact with
the objects that may attract one and y=
et maintain mental detachment and mental
renunciation is tougher. It =
is the true test.</FONT></DIV>
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It is not out of place to mention=
a small
story.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT=
></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Trilinga Swami lived for about 300=
years and did
unbelievable austerities in Kashi. When Ramakrishna Paramah=
amsa met him in
Kashi, he remarked to his sishyas that Trilinga Swami was =
Shiva Himself and a
fully realized being. Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda)=
was not with him on that
pilgrimage and he made a point to force Narendra=
nath to go to Kashi later to
have a darshan of Trilinga Swami!</FONT></DIV=
>
ial size=3D2>Lahiri Mahashaya was the guru of Yukteshwar
Maharaj, who was =
the guru of Paramahamsa Yogananda. Lahiri Mahashaya was a
householder and =
had a high-paying job. Yet he realized Self. Trilnga Swami spoke
little, b=
ut he once spoke a few words in Lahiri Mahashaya's praise. He said,
"The s=
tate of mind I achieved by renouncing everything, Lahiri achieved it while =
being a householder, being in the middle of everything. I bow to

him."</F=
ONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2>*
*&=
nbsp; *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT f=
<DIV>
=3D2>> > in my view, being a senior astrologer
doesnt make one to ce=
rtify any<BR>> > persons doings as good and
spiritual.</FONT><BR><FO=
=3D2>Nobody can "certify" anybody. However, those who
know some astrology =
can give their views on charts that are shared and discussed
publicly. If =
some people see those views as a "certificates", it is their
perception.</=
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
*=
*</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>=
e=3D2>Self-realization can be consistently defined.
However, spirituality =
is tough to define. It will mean different things to
different people.</FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT f=
ace=3DArial size=3D2>The goal of all spiritual journeys is to realize
Self=
, at some time or the other. However, most spiritual journeys of this age d=
o
NOT end in Self-realization.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It is limited ego=
that binds one to a limited
existence like a body and stops one from real=
izing the all-pervading true Self.
While a self-realized person's ego is c=
ompletely killed, it is possible to make
partial progress. There are many =
people, who overcome ego to various extents and
realize to various degrees=
that body is temporary and it is not the true self.
One can do so by foll=
owing many spiritual paths, like the path of knowledge, the
path of devoti=
on, the path of pranayama, the path of hatha yoga, the path of
work and se=
rvice etc. One who overcomes ego to some extent, using any path, is
making=
some spiritual progress. When the ego is completely subdued, one realizes =
the true Self. This realization is the same irrespective of the path follo=
wed.
However, intermediate steps look and feel different based on the
pat=
h.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Enough of my 2 cents for tonight...</FONT></DIV>=

al size=3D2>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>--------------------------------=
----------------------------------<BR>Do
hre=
f=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/h=
omam</A><BR>Spirituality:
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=3D2>> > Dear Prashant ji,<BR>>
><BR>> > in =
my view, being a senior astrologer doesnt make one to
certify any<BR>> =
> persons doings as good and spiritual.<BR>>
><BR>> > There=
are many factors which one over looks,<BR>>
><BR>> > and in t=
rue sense ....what is the real spiritualism.<BR>>
><BR>> > i w=
ill say if the person is spiritual ...go and do tapasya
in<BR>> > Hi=
malay..why sitting in pleasure world and earning money
and<BR>> > en=
joying all world pleasures.<BR>> ><BR>> >
Regards,<BR>> >=
;<BR>> > Tarun<BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Namaste Sir,
> > But What a real spiritualism is still yet to defined....=
I will try more. But first I want to recommend a couple of books:
(1) =
"Yoga Vaasishtham" is undoubtedly one of the best works available to a spir=
itually inclined person with interest in vedanta. It is a practical book wi=
th many stories (unlike most dry vedanta books) and teaches profound lesson=
s through stories.
Interestingly, I am typing this on the eve of Sree Ram=

a Navami (by the way, happy Sree Rama Navami to all of you!). When Maharshi=
Vishwamitra came to request Dasaratha to send Lord Rama with him to protec=
t his yajna from demons, Dasaratha was hesitant and Lord Ramachandra was co=
nfused. At the request of Maharshi Vishwamitra and others, Maharshi Vasisht=
ha taught Lord Ramachandra the essence of the knowledge of Self, in front o=
f other maharshis, kings and gods. These teachings were captured by Maharsh=
i Valmiki as the book "Yoga Vaasishtham".
This work helped even maharshis=

like Bharadwaja to obtain Brahma jnana. When Valmiki explained Vasishtha's=
teachings to Bharadwaja, he became realized.
There is a truly inspired E=

nglish translation by Swami Venkatesananda, a disciple of Swami Sivananda o=
f Hrishikesh (Divine Life Society). Swami Sivananda is considered by some t=
o be a re-incarnation of Maharshi Vasishtha.
http://www.amazon.com/Vasist=
has-Yoga-Venkatesananda/dp/0791413640
This is the best book I have read i=

n my life and I can say this is the book that influenced me the most and ch=
anged my thinking.
(2) Bhagavad Gita is a marvelous compendium on practic=

al spirituality. It covers various paths like jnana yoga, raja yoga, bhakti=
yoga, karma yoga, sannyasa yoga etc. While there are many commentaries and=
translations, I prefer the treatment of Sant Jnaneshwar. He is a rare Kris=
hna bhakta who is also associated with the path of aghora and nathas! While=
most Krishna bhaktas follow dwaita and vivishtaadwaita, Jnaneshwar's treat=
ment is purely adwaitic.
In Yoga Vasishtham, Vasishtha tells Rama that Vi=

shnu would appear as Krishna in a later yuga and teach the essence of Veda =
to Arjuna. Vasishtha goes to great lengths on what Krishna teaches. Some mo=
dern commentaries on Bhagavad Gita deviate from the adwaitic principles of =
vedanta and interpret some teachings of Krishna in a way that contradicts V=
asishtha's take. Sant Jnaneshwar's interpretation is consistent with Vasish=
tha's and also consistent with upanishads and vedanta.
http://www.amazon.=
com/Jnaneshwars-Gita-Jnaneshwari-Swami-Kripananda/dp/0911307648
* =
* *
> > But What a real spiritualism is still yet to defined....

=
Self-realized person is one who has realized that all is Brahman and not b=
ound by any limited ego, even though actions continue to spring from a prev=
iously existing ego (that continues to wind down like a fan after electrici=
ty is turned off).
Spiritual person is one who is making *some progress* =

towards becoming a self-realized person at a point in future.
* * =
*
Unfrotunately, scriptures can describe a self-realized person an=

d how he thinks, but they cannot give any fool-proof steps which, when foll=
owed by one, can ensure self-realization.
Just thinking "all is Brahman" =

and understanding it *intellctually* is not sufficient. Let me drive my poi=
nt home using an analogy.
Suppose someone goes to a movie and becomes so =

involved in the movie that he behaves as through something is really happen=
ing on the screen. For example, suppose there is a scene where the heroine =
is in a dark room and villain is about to stab her in the back from behind =
her. Suppose there is tense music. One may be shuddering with expectation. =
One may jump with shock and tension.
There may be one person who complete=

ly realizes that this is just an illusion and nothing is actually happening=
and watches it without any emotional involvement whatsoever. He is anlogou=
s to a realized person. Suppose someone is so involved and shouts with happ=
iness when something good happens in the movie and shudders when something =
terrible happens in the movie. He is analogous to a person deeply stuck in =
maya. Really speaking, this life we live is quite similar to a big movie, e=
xcept that it is interactive. Thus, my analogy is quite appropriate.
Now,=
one smart person may very well know that this movie thing is not really ha=
ppening and hence controlling emotions mostly. But an odd scene may make hi=
m shudder too! Such a person is analogous to one who intellectually underst=
ands and appreciates the essence of Veda (that all is Brahman and the objec=
ts we see are all an illusion) and yet does not fully comprehend it.
If o=
ne fully realizes, then nothing should make one happy or sad internally. On=
e may act externally as though one is happy or sad, but the heart should be=
stable always and not excited or depressed by *anything*. If all is Brahma=
n, why should anything exicte you depress you? In our analogy, such a perso=
n is like one watching the movie with zero involvement, realizing at all ti=
mes that it is only imaginary and not happening for real and not being shak=
en even once. One who has only an intellectual understanding and not a comp=
lete understanding may some times be affected by the illusion.
If someone=
praises you, does it excite you? If someone humiliates, does it upset you?=
If something seems nice, do you want to have it? If something seems disgus=
ting, do you want to go away?
As long as there is attachment and self-ide=

ntification with a body or a name or some other limited object, some ego re=
mains and causes all of the above. It results in happiness on some events a=
nd sadness on some events. Self-realization cannot come without overcoming =
ego *fully*. It never comes from an intellectual understanding of the dictu=
m "all is Brahman". It comes from experiencing it.
* * *
=
How can one go from a limited ego to zero ego? There is no single path. As =
I said already, scriptures only describe how a realized person thinks, but =
they cannot give a fool-proof path to realization.
However, some scriptur=

es do outline some paths for reference. While they are not fool-proof and d=
o not guarantee realization, they can be helpful.
One person may sit down=

in seclusion in a forest or in Himalayas or a remote cave and keep eating =
enough to just survive and actively contemplate all the time "Who am I? Am =
I this body? Who am I? What are all these objects I perceive? What is all t=
his?" and eventually realize Self. This is jnana yoga.
One person may pra=

y to a specific deity and slowly force oneself to see the entire universe a=
s another form of that deity and see that deity in everything. One may even=
tually realize Self through that deity. This is bhakti yoga.
One person m=
ay consider work and service as god and spend all of one's time serving peo=
ple without prejudices, without any self-pride and without any selfish moti=
ves. One may try to see god in all people and all service and may eventuall=
y realize Self. This is karma yoga.
One person may use forceful methods o=

f raja yoga, control the body, senses and mind through yogic practices, for=
cefully raise self-awareness (Kundalini shakti) to higher realms of conscio=
usness. They too may eventually realize Self.
In each of these four broad=

paths, there are many sub-paths. But please realize that no path guarantee=
s self-realization. They help, but do not guarantee anything. And the only =
method of spiritual progress, IMHO, is how much ego has been overcome.
Mo=
st people stick to one method. There are exceptions like Ramakrishna Parama=
hamsa who tried each path and succeeded. In fact, I believe the logo of Ram=
akrishna mutt employs symbols of each of these paths in it! While each sain=
t is great and one cannot compare them, Ramakrishna was somebody else. His =
lila (play) cannot fully be understood by most people even today, after suc=
h a long time. His lila may in fact continue to play out long after he left=
the body.
* * *
I just want to share my personal view on=

the link between the abobe paths and Jyotish. This is not from any classic=
and based on my own intuition.
The path of karma yoga is seen from the e=

lement of earth. The path of bhakti yoga is seen from the element of water.=
The path of jnaana yoga is seen from the element of fire. The path of raja=
yoga is seen from the element of air. Of course, ether is in all. Ether or=
space is the basis of all yoga.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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--------------------------------------------------------
--- In JyotishGr=
oup@yahoogroups.com, "Tarun" <tarun.virgo@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Sir,
>
> a =
very good mail from your side.
>
> you covered all points,
>
> including=
the Karma which you mentioned as Arjuna and Krishna's
> example and Raja =
Janak
>
> Rest sanyas things which you mentioned with examples of Trilinga=
> Swami, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ,Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda)and

> =
few others.
>
> Spiritualism of Rajnikant.
>
> But What a real spirituali=
sm is still yet to defined....
>
> being a sadhu tatva is spiritualism ?? =
doing karma is spiritualism ??
> giving teachings is spiritualism ? doing S=
ocial service is
> spiritualism ?? guiding others is spiritualism.?? being=
honest is
> spiritualism ?? or being a warrior and killing because of dut=
ies is
> spiritualism ?? or taking sanyas is spiritualism ?? or sitting in=
> temple and worshipping / doing yajna /doing yoga etc...etc...

> unlimit=
ed things.
>
> or not helping people and letting them face the god's decis=
ion is
> spiritualism.
>
>
> as per you ..a self realised person who fin=
ally loses ego ( any
> planet specific ) is lost that time a person is spi=
ritual ?? but
> what does he do finally .....again long list as above. ...=
>
> you have read Geeta and all other puranas , if you can share few
> t=
hings from your vast knowledge , it would be great for those who
> donot u=
nderstands the meaning of spiritualism.
>
> But do you agree to me that th=
ere are many people who has made it as
> moeny earning module in western c=
ountries..
>
> ////
> > > > in my view, being a senior astrologer doesnt m=
ake one to
> certify any
> > > > persons doings as good and spiritual.
> >=
> > Nobody can "certify" anybody. However, those who know some
> astrol=
ogy can give their views on charts that are shared and
> discussed publicl=
y. If some people see those views as
> a "certificates", it is their perce=
ption.
>
> ////
>
> if you read history of Ashoka ...he killed thousands =
of people
> before taking sanyas. in the war of kalinga.
>
> were you abl=
e to define him spiritual before ?? that time no one was
> able to be sure=
that Ashoka will take Sanyas.
>
>
> Basically acceptance of truth / sat=
ya and following it can be
> Spiritualism.
>
>
> due to lack of time i w=
as not able to reply you earlier.
>
> hope to receive reply.
>
> Tarun.
=
>
>
>
>
> --- In JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
=
> <pvr@> wrote:
> >
> > Namaste Sir,
> >
> > > > i will say if the person=
is spiritual ...go and do tapasya in
> > > > Himalay..why sitting in pleas=
ure world and earning money and
> > > > enjoying all world pleasures.
> > =
> > Sitting in pleasure world and earning money is NOT synonymous
> to "e=
njoying all world pleasures". One may be sitting in pleasure
> world, earn=
ing money and engaging externally in various activities,
> but the mind ma=
y be established in peace and bliss.
> >
> > A realized person is NOT ide=
ntified by the actions he/she engages
> in. Just as an electric fan contin=
ues to turn for a few minutes even
> after the electricity is turned off, =
a realized person who is still
> in a body continues to engage in actions =
based on the previous flow.
> After King Janaka realized Self, he continue=
d as the king of Mithila
> and did all royal duties. After Krishna made Ar=
juna realize Self,
> Arjuna fought a war and killed his gurus, brothers, g=
randfather etc.
> >
> > One who has not yet realized Self will distinguis=
h between various
> objects of this dual world and view some as good and s=
ome as bad.
> He/she will try to stay away from so-called bad actions. On =
the
> other hand, a realized person sees all people, objects and actions
=
> of this universe as the same Self and sees no reason to either be
> attr=
acted to or repelled from anything. His/her actions and
> inactions are th=
us not based on the principles of attraction and
> repulsion. They are bas=
ed on the previous flow.
> >
> > Renouncing wife, children, job, money et=
c is an attempt to find
> true mental renunciation. Renouncing external ob=
jects can promote
> mental renunciation, but not guarantee it. On the othe=
r hand, one
> can remain in the midst of the material world and all the ex=
ternal
> objects and yet have a perfectly stable, peaceful and blissful mi=
nd
> that is not attracted to or repelled from any of the objects one is
=
> surrounded by. For all you know, a big film star like Rajinikanth,
> who=
makes millions of dollars per movie, surrounded by glamour,
> money and a=
dulation, may be more detached at the mental level than
> many yogis in Hi=
malayas. It is probably true in the case of
> Rajinikanth.
> >
> > When =
one stays away from objects that may attract one, it is
> relatively easy =
to overcome attraction temporarily. Whether one can
> retain that renuncia=
tion when one comes in contact with the objects
> again or not is a questi=
onmark. On the other hand, to be in contact
> with the objects that may at=
tract one and yet maintain mental
> detachment and mental renunciation is =
tougher. It is the true test.
> >
> > It is not out of place to mention a=
small story.
> >
> > Trilinga Swami lived for about 300 years and did un=
believable
> austerities in Kashi. When Ramakrishna Paramahamsa met him in=
Kashi,
> he remarked to his sishyas that Trilinga Swami was Shiva Himself=
and
> a fully realized being. Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was not
>=
with him on that pilgrimage and he made a point to force
> Narendranath t=
o go to Kashi later to have a darshan of Trilinga
> Swami!
> >
> > Lahir=
i Mahashaya was the guru of Yukteshwar Maharaj, who was the
> guru of Para=
mahamsa Yogananda. Lahiri Mahashaya was a householder
> and had a high-pay=
ing job. Yet he realized Self. Trilnga Swami spoke
> little, but he once s=
poke a few words in Lahiri Mahashaya's praise.
> He said, "The state of mi=
nd I achieved by renouncing everything,
> Lahiri achieved it while being a=
householder, being in the middle of
> everything. I bow to him."
> >
> =
> * * *
> >
> > > > in my view, being a senior astrologer=
doesnt make one to
> certify any
> > > > persons doings as good and spiri=
tual.
> >
> > Nobody can "certify" anybody. However, those who know some =
> astrology can give their views on charts that are shared and
> discusse=
d publicly. If some people see those views as
> a "certificates", it is th=
eir perception.
> >
> > * * *
> >
> > Self-realization =
can be consistently defined. However,
> spirituality is tough to define. I=
t will mean different things to
> different people.
> >
> > The goal of =
all spiritual journeys is to realize Self, at some
> time or the other. Ho=
wever, most spiritual journeys of this age do
> NOT end in Self-realizatio=
n.
> >
> > It is limited ego that binds one to a limited existence like a=
> body and stops one from realizing the all-pervading true Self. While
>=
a self-realized person's ego is completely killed, it is possible to
> ma=
ke partial progress. There are many people, who overcome ego to
> various =
extents and realize to various degrees that body is
> temporary and it is =
not the true self. One can do so by following
> many spiritual paths, like=
the path of knowledge, the path of
> devotion, the path of pranayama, the=
path of hatha yoga, the path of
> work and service etc. One who overcomes=
ego to some extent, using
> any path, is making some spiritual progress. =
When the ego is
> completely subdued, one realizes the true Self. This rea=
lization is
> the same irrespective of the path followed. However, interme=
diate
> steps look and feel different based on the path.
> >
> > Enough =
of my 2 cents for tonight...
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Narasimha
> > ----=
--------------------------------------------------------------
> > Do Ganap=
athi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
> > Spirituality:=
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):=
http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): ht=
tp://www.VedicAstrologer.org
> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http:/=
/www.SriJagannath.org
> > -------------------------------------------------=
-----------------
> >
> > > > Dear Prashant ji,
> > > >
> > > > in my v=
iew, being a senior astrologer doesnt make one to
> certify any
> > > > pe=
rsons doings as good and spiritual.
> > > >
> > > > There are many factors =
which one over looks,
> > > >
> > > > and in true sense ....what is the rea=
l spiritualism.
> > > >
> > > > i will say if the person is spiritual ...go=
and do tapasya in
> > > > Himalay..why sitting in pleasure world and earni=
ng money and
> > > > enjoying all world pleasures.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,=
> > > >

> > > > Tarun
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V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> > But What a real spiritualism is sti=
ll yet
to defined....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I will try more. But first I=
want to recommend a
couple of books:</FONT></DIV>
size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(1) "Yoga Va=
asishtham" is undoubtedly one of the
best works available to a spiritually=
inclined person with interest in vedanta.
It is a practical book with man=
y stories (unlike most dry vedanta books) and
teaches profound lessons thr=
ough stories.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></=
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Interestingly, I am typing this on th=
e eve of Sree
Rama Navami (by the way, happy Sree Rama Navami to all of yo=
u!). When Maharshi
Vishwamitra came to request Dasaratha to send Lord Rama=
with him to protect his
yajna from demons, Dasaratha was hesitant and Lor=
d Ramachandra was confused. At
the request of Maharshi Vishwamitra and oth=
ers, Maharshi Vasishtha taught Lord
Ramachandra the essence of the knowled=
ge of Self, in front of other maharshis,
kings and gods. These teachings w=
ere captured by Maharshi Valmiki as the book
"Yoga Vaasishtham".</FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This work helped even maharshis =
like Bharadwaja to
obtain Brahma jnana. When Valmiki explained Vasishtha's=
teachings to Bharadwaja,
he became realized.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV>There is a truly inspired Englis=
h translation by Swami Venkatesananda, a
disciple of Swami Sivananda of Hr=
ishikesh (Divine Life Society). Swami Sivananda
is considered by some to b=
e a re-incarnation of Maharshi Vasishtha.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A
=
href=3D"http://www.amazon.com/Vasisthas-Yoga-Venkatesananda/dp/0791413640">=
http://www.amazon.com/Vasisthas-Yoga-Venkatesananda/dp/0791413640</A></DIV>=
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This is the best book I have read in my life and I =
can say this is the book
that influenced me the most and changed my thinki=
ng.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>(2) Bhagavad Gita is a marvelous compendiu=
m on practical spirituality. It
covers various paths like jnana yoga, raja=
yoga, bhakti yoga, karma yoga,
sannyasa yoga etc. While there are many co=
mmentaries and translations, I prefer
the treatment of Sant Jnaneshwar. He=
is a rare Krishna bhakta who is also
associated with the path of aghora a=
nd nathas! While most Krishna bhaktas follow
dwaita and vivishtaadwaita, J=
naneshwar's treatment is purely adwaitic.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In Y=
oga Vasishtham, Vasishtha tells Rama that Vishnu would appear as
Krishna i=
n a later yuga and teach the essence of Veda to Arjuna. Vasishtha goes
to =
great lengths on what Krishna teaches. Some modern commentaries on Bhagavad=
Gita deviate from the adwaitic principles of vedanta and interpret some
=
teachings of Krishna in a way that contradicts Vasishtha's take. Sant =
Jnaneshwar's interpretation is consistent with Vasishtha's and also consis=

tent
with upanishads and vedanta.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><A
h=
ref=3D"http://www.amazon.com/Jnaneshwars-Gita-Jnaneshwari-Swami-Kripananda/=
dp/0911307648">http://www.amazon.com/Jnaneshwars-Gita-Jnaneshwari-Swami-Kri=
pananda/dp/0911307648</A></DIV></FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* &nbs=
p;
* *</=
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
face=3DArial size=3D2>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> > But What=
a real spiritualism is still yet
to defined....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> <=
/DIV>Self-realized person is one who has realized that all is
Brahman and =
not bound by any limited ego, even though actions continue to spring
from =
a previously existing ego (that continues to wind down like a fan after
el=
ectricity is turned off).</FONT></DIV>
sp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Spiritual person is one w=
ho is making *some
progress* towards becoming a self-realized person at a =
point in
future.</FONT></DIV>
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* &n=
bsp;
* *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
ze=3D2>Unfrotunately, scriptures can describe a
self-realized person and h=
ow he thinks, but they cannot give any fool-proof
steps which, when follow=
ed by one, can ensure
self-realization.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just=
thinking "all is Brahman" and understanding it
*intellctually* is not suf=
ficient. Let me drive my point home using an
analogy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><F=
=3D2>Suppose someone goes to a movie and becomes so
involved in the movie =
that he behaves as through something is really happening
on the screen. Fo=
r example, suppose there is a scene where the heroine is in a
dark room an=
d villain is about to stab her in the back from behind her. Suppose
there =
is tense music. One may be shuddering with expectation. One may jump with
=
shock and tension.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There may be one person who comp=
letely realizes
that this is just an illusion and nothing is actually happ=
ening and watches it
without any emotional involvement whatsoever. He is a=
nlogous to a realized
person. Suppose someone is so involved and shouts wi=
th happiness when something
good happens in the movie and shudders when so=
mething terrible happens in the
movie. He is analogous to a person deeply =
stuck in maya. Really speaking, this
life we live is quite similar to a bi=
g movie, except that it is interactive.
Thus, my analogy is quite appropri=
ate.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now, one smart person may very well know that =
this
movie thing is not really happening and hence controlling emotions mo=
stly. But
an odd scene may make him shudder too! Such a person is analogou=
s to one who
intellectually understands and appreciates the essence of Ved=
a (that all is
Brahman and the objects we see are all an illusion) and yet=
does not fully
comprehend it.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If one fully real=
izes, then nothing should make one
happy or sad internally. One may act ex=
ternally as though one is happy or sad,
but the heart should be stable alw=
ays and not excited or depressed by
*anything*. If all is Brahman, why sho=
uld anything exicte you depress you? In
our analogy, such a person is like=
one watching the movie with zero involvement,
realizing at all times that=
it is only imaginary and not happening for real and
not being shaken even=
once. One who has only an intellectual understanding and
not a complete u=
nderstanding may some times be affected by the
illusion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
ze=3D2>If someone praises you, does it excite you? If
someone humiliates, =
does it upset you? If something seems nice, do you want to
have it? If som=
ething seems disgusting, do you want to go away?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
ce=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As=
long as there is attachment and
self-identification with a body or a name=
or some other limited object, some ego
remains and causes all of the abov=
e. It results in happiness on some events and
sadness on some events. Self=
-realization cannot come without overcoming ego
*fully*. It never comes fr=
om an intellectual understanding of the dictum "all is
Brahman". It comes =
from experiencing it.</FONT></DIV>
/FONT></DIV>
p;
* *</FONT></DIV>
=
l size=3D2>How can one go from a limited ego to zero ego?
There is no sing=
le path. As I said already, scriptures only describe how a
realized person=
thinks, but they cannot give a fool-proof path to
realization.</FONT></DI=
V>
rial size=3D2>However, some scriptures do outline some paths for
reference=
. While they are not fool-proof and do not guarantee realization, they
can=
be helpful.</FONT></DIV>
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One person may sit down in seclusion i=
n a forest or
in Himalayas or a remote cave and keep eating enough to just=
survive and
actively contemplate all the time "Who am I? Am I this body? =
Who am I? What are
all these objects I perceive? What is all this?" and ev=
entually realize Self.
This is jnana yoga.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One per=
son may pray to a specific deity and slowly
force oneself to see the entir=
e universe as another form of that deity and see
that deity in everything.=
One may eventually realize Self through that deity.
This is bhakti yoga.<=
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FON=
T face=3DArial size=3D2>One person may consider work and service as god and=
spend all of one's time serving people without prejudices, without any
s=
elf-pride and without any selfish motives. One may try to see god in all pe=
ople
and all service and may eventually realize Self. This is karma
yoga.=
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FO=
NT face=3DArial size=3D2>One person may use forceful methods of raja yoga, =
control the body, senses and mind through yogic practices, forcefully=

raise
self-awareness (Kundalini shakti) to higher realms of consciousness=
. They too
may eventually realize Self.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In each of=
these four broad paths, there are many
sub-paths. But please realize that=
no path guarantees self-realization. They
help, but do not guarantee anyt=
hing. And the only method of spiritual progress,
IMHO, is how much ego has=
been overcome.</FONT></DIV>
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>M=
ost people stick to one method. There are
exceptions like Ramakrishna Para=
mahamsa who tried each path and succeeded. In
fact, I believe the logo of =
Ramakrishna mutt employs symbols of each of these
paths in it! While each =
saint is great and one cannot compare them, Ramakrishna
was somebody else.=
His lila (play) cannot fully be understood by most people
even today, aft=
er such a long time. His lila may in fact continue to play out
long after =
he left the body.</FONT></DIV>
size=3D2> </FO=
NT></DIV>*
* &n=
bsp; *</FONT></DIV>
p;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I just want to share my pe=
rsonal view on the link
between the abobe paths and Jyotish. This is not f=
rom any classic and based on
my own intuition.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The=
path of karma yoga is seen from the element of
earth. The path of bhakti =
yoga is seen from the element of water. The path of
jnaana yoga is seen fr=
om the element of fire. The path of raja yoga is seen from
the element of =
air. Of course, ether is in all. Ether or space is the basis of
all yoga.<=
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FON=
T face=3DArial size=3D2>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>--------------------=
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<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>--- In <A
href=3D"mailto:JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com">J=
yotishGroup@yahoogroups.com</A>,
"Tarun" <tarun.virgo@...> wrote:<BR=
>><BR>> Dear Sir,<BR>>
<BR>> a very good mail from your side.<=
BR>> <BR>> you covered all
points, <BR>> <BR>> including the K=
arma which you mentioned as Arjuna and
Krishna's <BR>> example and Raja=
Janak<BR>> <BR>> Rest sanyas things
which you mentioned with exampl=
es of Trilinga <BR>> Swami, Ramakrishna
Paramahamsa ,Narendranath (Swam=
i Vivekananda)and <BR>> few others.<BR>>
<BR>> Spiritualism of Ra=
jnikant.<BR>> <BR>> But What a real
spiritualism is still yet to def=
ined....<BR>> <BR>> being a sadhu tatva is
spiritualism ?? doing kar=
ma is spiritualism ??<BR>> giving teachings is
spiritualism ? doing Soc=
ial service is <BR>> spiritualism ?? guiding others
is spiritualism.?? =
being honest is <BR>> spiritualism ?? or being a warrior
and killing be=
cause of duties is <BR>> spiritualism ?? or taking sanyas is
spirituali=
sm ?? or sitting in <BR>> temple and worshipping / doing yajna
/doing y=
oga etc...etc...<BR>> unlimited things.<BR>> <BR>> or not
helping=
people and letting them face the god's decision is <BR>>
spiritualism.=
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> as per you ..a self realised person who
finally=
loses ego ( any <BR>> planet specific ) is lost that time a person is
=
spiritual ?? but <BR>> what does he do finally .....again long list as a=
bove.
...<BR>> <BR>> you have read Geeta and all other puranas , if =
you can
share few <BR>> things from your vast knowledge , it would be g=
reat for those
who <BR>> donot understands the meaning of spiritualism.=
<BR>> <BR>> But
do you agree to me that there are many people who ha=
s made it as <BR>> moeny
earning module in western countries..<BR>> =
<BR>> ////<BR>> > >
> in my view, being a senior astrologer=
doesnt make one to <BR>> certify
any<BR>> > > > persons do=
ings as good and spiritual.<BR>>
> <BR>> > Nobody can "c=
ertify" anybody. However, those who know
some <BR>> astrology can give =
their views on charts that are shared and
<BR>> discussed publicly. If =
some people see those views as <BR>> a
"certificates", it is their perc=
eption.<BR>> <BR>> ////<BR>> <BR>>
if you read history of Asho=
ka ...he killed thousands of people <BR>> before
taking sanyas. in the =
war of kalinga.<BR>> <BR>> were you able to define
him spiritual bef=
ore ?? that time no one was <BR>> able to be sure that
Ashoka will take=
Sanyas. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Basically acceptance of
truth / satya =
and following it can be <BR>> Spiritualism.<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> d=
ue to lack of time i was not able to reply you earlier. <BR>>
<BR>> =
hope to receive reply.<BR>> <BR>> Tarun.<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <=
BR>> <BR>> --- In <A
href=3D"mailto:JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com">Jy=
otishGroup@yahoogroups.com</A>,
"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <BR>> <pvr@&g=
t; wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> >
Namaste Sir,<BR>> > <BR>&g=
t; > > > i will say if the person
is spiritual ...go and do tapas=
ya in<BR>> > > > Himalay..why sitting
in pleasure world and ea=
rning money and<BR>> > > > enjoying all
world pleasures.<BR>&g=
t; > <BR>> > Sitting in pleasure world and
earning money is=
NOT synonymous <BR>> to "enjoying all world pleasures". One
may be sit=
ting in pleasure <BR>> world, earning money and engaging externally
in =
various activities, <BR>> but the mind may be established in peace and
=
bliss.<BR>> > <BR>> > A realized person is NOT identified=
by
the actions he/she engages <BR>> in. Just as an electric fan contin=
ues to
turn for a few minutes even <BR>> after the electricity is turne=
d off, a
realized person who is still <BR>> in a body continues to enga=
ge in actions
based on the previous flow. <BR>> After King Janaka reali=
zed Self, he
continued as the king of Mithila <BR>> and did all royal d=
uties. After
Krishna made Arjuna realize Self, <BR>> Arjuna fought a wa=
r and killed his
gurus, brothers, grandfather etc.<BR>> > <BR>=
> > One who has
not yet realized Self will distinguish between vario=
us <BR>> objects of this
dual world and view some as good and some as b=
ad. <BR>> He/she will try to
stay away from so-called bad actions. On t=
he <BR>> other hand, a realized
person sees all people, objects and act=
ions <BR>> of this universe as the
same Self and sees no reason to eith=
er be <BR>> attracted to or repelled from
anything. His/her actions and=
<BR>> inactions are thus not based on the
principles of attraction and=
<BR>> repulsion. They are based on the previous
flow.<BR>> >&nbs=
p; <BR>> > Renouncing wife, children, job, money etc
is an attempt t=
o find <BR>> true mental renunciation. Renouncing external
objects can =
promote <BR>> mental renunciation, but not guarantee it. On the
other h=
and, one <BR>> can remain in the midst of the material world and all
th=
e external <BR>> objects and yet have a perfectly stable, peaceful and
=
blissful mind <BR>> that is not attracted to or repelled from any of the=
objects one is <BR>> surrounded by. For all you know, a big film star =
like
Rajinikanth, <BR>> who makes millions of dollars per movie, surrou=
nded by
glamour, <BR>> money and adulation, may be more detached at the=
mental level
than <BR>> many yogis in Himalayas. It is probably true i=
n the case of
<BR>> Rajinikanth.<BR>> > <BR>> > When =
one stays away from
objects that may attract one, it is <BR>> relativel=
y easy to overcome
attraction temporarily. Whether one can <BR>> retain=
that renunciation when
one comes in contact with the objects <BR>> aga=
in or not is a questionmark.
On the other hand, to be in contact <BR>> =
with the objects that may attract
one and yet maintain mental <BR>> det=
achment and mental renunciation is
tougher. It is the true test.<BR>> &=
gt; <BR>> > It is not out of
place to mention a small story.<B=
R>> > <BR>> > Trilinga Swami
lived for about 300 years a=
nd did unbelievable <BR>> austerities in Kashi.
When Ramakrishna Parama=
hamsa met him in Kashi, <BR>> he remarked to his
sishyas that Trilinga =
Swami was Shiva Himself and <BR>> a fully realized
being. Narendranath =
(Swami Vivekananda) was not <BR>> with him on that
pilgrimage and he ma=
de a point to force <BR>> Narendranath to go to Kashi
later to have a d=
arshan of Trilinga <BR>> Swami!<BR>> > <BR>>
> Lahiri=
Mahashaya was the guru of Yukteshwar Maharaj, who was the <BR>>
guru o=
f Paramahamsa Yogananda. Lahiri Mahashaya was a householder <BR>> and
h=
ad a high-paying job. Yet he realized Self. Trilnga Swami spoke <BR>>
l=
ittle, but he once spoke a few words in Lahiri Mahashaya's praise. <BR>>=
He
said, "The state of mind I achieved by renouncing everything, <BR>>=
Lahiri
achieved it while being a householder, being in the middle of <BR>=
>
everything. I bow to him."<BR>> > <BR>> >
* &=
nbsp;
* &=
nbsp; *<BR>> > <BR>>
> > > in my view,=
being a senior astrologer doesnt make one to <BR>>
certify any<BR>>=
> > > persons doings as good and spiritual.<BR>>
> <=
BR>> > Nobody can "certify" anybody. However, those who know
some <B=
R>> astrology can give their views on charts that are shared and
<BR>&g=
t; discussed publicly. If some people see those views as <BR>> a
"certi=
ficates", it is their perception.<BR>> > <BR>> >
* =

* =
*<BR>> > <BR>>
> Self-realization can=
be consistently defined. However, <BR>>
spirituality is tough to defin=
e. It will mean different things to <BR>>
different people.<BR>> >=
; <BR>> > The goal of all spiritual
journeys is to realize Sel=
f, at some <BR>> time or the other. However, most
spiritual journeys of=
this age do <BR>> NOT end in Self-realization.<BR>>
> <BR>=
> > It is limited ego that binds one to a limited existence
like a <=
BR>> body and stops one from realizing the all-pervading true Self.
Whi=
le <BR>> a self-realized person's ego is completely killed, it is possib=
le
to <BR>> make partial progress. There are many people, who overcome =
ego to
<BR>> various extents and realize to various degrees that body i=
s <BR>>
temporary and it is not the true self. One can do so by followi=
ng <BR>> many
spiritual paths, like the path of knowledge, the path of =
<BR>> devotion, the
path of pranayama, the path of hatha yoga, the path=
of <BR>> work and service
etc. One who overcomes ego to some extent, u=
sing <BR>> any path, is making
some spiritual progress. When the ego is=
<BR>> completely subdued, one
realizes the true Self. This realization=
is <BR>> the same irrespective of
the path followed. However, intermed=
iate <BR>> steps look and feel different
based on the path.<BR>> >=
; <BR>> > Enough of my 2 cents for
tonight...<BR>> >&nbs=
p; <BR>> > Best regards,<BR>> >
Narasimha<BR>> >
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----------------------------------<BR>>
> <BR>> > > &=
gt; Dear Prashant ji,<BR>> >
> ><BR>> > >=
> in my view, being a senior astrologer doesnt
make one to <BR>> ce=
rtify any<BR>> > > > persons doings as good
and spiritual.<BR>=
> > > ><BR>> > > > There are many
factors which on=
e over looks,<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > and
in true se=
nse ....what is the real spiritualism.<BR>> > > ><BR>>
>=
> > i will say if the person is spiritual ...go and do tapasya
in<B=
R>> > > > Himalay..why sitting in pleasure world and earning
m=
oney and<BR>> > > > enjoying all world pleasures.<BR>> > =
>
><BR>> > > > Regards,<BR>> > > ><BR>> &=
gt; >
> Tarun<BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Dear Narasimha,
Thank you for your wonderful post=

s on spirituality. They are very inspiring .And happy Shree Rama Navami to =
you too!
Can you explain something about the Veda Murtis? (Hanu Mukha =3D =
Atharva Veda, Haya Mukha =3D Yajur Veda, Aja Mukha =3D Sama Veda, Go Mukha =
=3D Rig Veda, Gaja Mukha =3D all Vedas.)
I enjoy chanting their mantras lik=
e " Hanu Mukha Siddhi Rastu" but would like to understand more about the or=
igins of the Veda Murtis. Since Brahma spoke the Vedas from his Four Faces,=
it seems that they must be related to Him.
Thanks for any light that you =

can shed on this topic!
Blessings,
Willa
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rs.
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The Rishi Phenomenon

Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya
(Dr. Frank=
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(The following is an excerpt from Dr. Frank Morales' fort=

hcoming book
"Whisperings of the Divine: How God is Known in the Vedic Trad=
ition.")
The rishi phenomenon is an instance of a human being who, throug=

h the
allied processes of yoga, tapas (vows of austerity), sadhanas
(system=
atic spiritual disciplines), intense meditation (dhyana), and
other esoteri=
c means of systematic self-purification, has achieved
absolute transcendenc=
e over the non-atman (non-spiritual) aspects of
herself. Having gained comp=
lete control over the body, mind, speech,
and senses, the rishi becomes tra=
nsformed into a being who is
thoroughly absorbed in the spiritual reality. =
Being thus absorbed,
she has a direct and unmediated experiential connectio=
n with the
truth. In the terminology of Yoga philosophy, such a state is kn=
own
as samadhi, or perfect meditative absorption.
The samadhi state is one=

of enstasy, in which the individual undergoes
the experience of standing w=
ithin her true self and tasting the bliss
of her own inner reality. From th=
is trans-material perspective within
the samadhi state, the yogi and the Ab=
solute - the subjective
experiencer and the transcendent object of the expe=
rience - become
intimately reunited. "Experience is synonymous with reality=
", says
Mahanamabrata, "which is to be analyzed, synthesized and plunged in=
to,
so that its ultimate nature may be immediately apprehended." (3) There
=
are two different levels of samadhi that the yogi undergoes in her
attempt =
to realize the ultimate truth. The first of these is
savikalpa-samadhi, in =
which the yogi begins to identify with the
essence of the Absolute. At the =
highest stage of savikalpa-samadhi,
one is able to attain the realization o=
f one's own primal substratum,
which is composed of saccidananda (sat, cit =
and ananda), or
unadulterated consciousness qualified by the attributive qu=
alities of
never-ending being, cognizance and bliss. In the second stage of=
samadhi, known as nirvikalpa-samadhi, the yogi achieves complete

identific=
ation with her true self, atman, and has direct praesentia
dei perception o=
f Parabrahman, the Supreme Absolute. This is an
experience that is describe=
d as being situated beyond the delimiting
modes of time and space, thus utt=
erly transcendental in content. In
the immediate aftermath of this radical =
ontological shift in the
yogi's subjective locus, a complete transformation=
of her
consciousness subsequently ensues. The externally observable
ramifi=
cations of the samadhi phenomenon on the subject (the yogi
/rishi) are two-=
fold. One is psychological in nature, the other
epistemological.
The psych=
ological and cognitive impact of the samadhi phenomenon is
radically transf=
ormative in nature. This transformation that occurs
within the yogi (soon t=
o be rishi) affects her on a variety of levels,
including intellectual, men=
tal, emotional, nervous, and ethical. For
the sake of remaining firmly situ=
ated within the epistemic bounds of
the present work, however, we will focu=
s primarily on the cognitive
modification that takes place in the psyche of=
the rishi (seer).
Because the rishi has conquered the demands of the ego, =
she is no
longer subject to the four imperfections of bhrama (the tendency
=
toward illusion), pramada (inattentiveness), vipralasa (the desire to
cheat=
) and karanapatava (insufficiency of the senses) put forth by
Hindu philoso=
phers in their critique of pratyaksha and anumana. The
Bhagavad-gita explai=
ns this state in the following manner.
"He whose mind is not affected in =

sorrow
and is free from desire in pleasure
and who is without attachment, f=
ear, or anger -
he is called a sage of steady insight (sthita-dhi)."
Sinc=
e her knowledge of the truth is derived via direct, non-mediated
transmissi=
on - from Brahman (God) to atman (soul) - completely
bypassing the customar=
y intermediary routes of the senses, mind,
intellect and ego, karanapatava =
(insufficiency of the senses) is
averted. Empirical and rational instrument=
s simply are no longer
employed in this instance. Therefore, their perfecti=
on, or lack
thereof, is rendered a thorough non-issue. Additionally, becaus=
e she
is no longer under the illusion that her self-interest is of any
supe=
rior value to the ultimate spiritual interest of all other beings,
the defe=
ct of vipralasa (the desire to cheat), also, no longer
applies. The ultimat=
e interest of all other living beings is now her
supreme interest. Thus the=
apta (reliable person) is a perfectly
moral being, acting from and in good=
ness, not due to a mere sense of
necessitating duty, but out of her own int=
rinsic atmic (spiritual)
nature. Having attained a state of dharana, or per=
fect concentration,
she is not subject to pramada (inattentiveness). Being =
thoroughly
absorbed in the loving contemplation (upasana) of Brahman, her
a=
ttention is perfectly and effortlessly alert, never diverted and
ever-focus=
ed. Finally, having transcended the firm grip of maya
(illusion) altogether=
, the tendency of bhrama (the tendency toward
illusion) is nothing more tha=
n a faint memory for the rishi.
Having thus risen above all the defective =

tendencies of the mundane
cognitive processes, the rishi is seen, by the va=
st majority of
philosophers within the Sad-darshana (seven schools of Sanat=
ana Dharma
philosophy) tradition, as the most indisputable source of knowle=
dge.
The rishi is not merely an intellectual who attempts to grasp the
trut=
h, captures it, and then mechanically teaches it to others.
Rather, she is =
a transparent via medium through which transcendent
truth is seen and direc=
tly experienced first-hand. She is a breathing
example of truth in living, =
caring motion. In a poem created by Ren=E9
Dumal, we find a beautiful descr=
iption of the profound experience that
the rishi has:
"You cannot stay on=

the summit forever;
You have to come down again.
So why bother in the firs=
t place? Just this:
What is above knows what is below,
But what is below do=
es not know what is above.
One climbs, one sees.
One descends, one sees no =
longer, but one has seen.
There is an art of conducting oneself in the lowe=
r regions.
When one can no longer see, one can at least still know."
For =
Sanatana Dharma, the rishi is no less than a living testament to
the existe=
nce, nature, and power of God. It is for this reason that
the rishis are te=
rmed aptah, or "perfectly reliable authorities."
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encouragement in his crucial work. He needs and deserves our help."
- Dr.=
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me 10, issue 2
Welcome to the Dharma Revolution!

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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:41:02 -0000
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Subject: Vimalananda and Aghora Books (Re: On Akbar)
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Narasimhaji,
I am sorry for the late reply. Thank you very much once again.=
I will
check those books.
I heard about Aghora and tantric practises. =

Thanks once again.
Thanks and Regards,
=
Kumar Ghanta

R. Rao" <pvr@...>
wrote:
>
> Namaste Kumar ji,
>
> Vimalananda did not wr=
ite the books. He was a yogi who lived his
life freely
> and shunned publ=
icity. Even people close to him did not know about
his
> abilities and ve=
ry few knew what he was capable of. He gave a lot
of
> freewheeling talks=
to Robert Svoboda on many aspects of
spirituality and
> made the latter =
take down notes. He asked him to publish them after
he left
> the body. T=
hus, the books were published after Vimalananda left the
world.
> He did =
not want any attention while living.
>
> In my humble opinion, these books=
are a divinely inspired work and
> Vimalananda was someone who experience=
d the highest states of
consciousness.
> He must be a reborn rishi. Howev=
er, I must warn you that these
books may
> shock some of you and put you =
off.
>
> Most religious practices maintain some level of external purity. =
Even though
> we say that "all is Brahman", we treat different objects
d=
ifferently and
> consider some objects as "pure" and some as "impure".
>
=
> In aghora, the faith in the internal purity of everything is so
high tha=
t
> external purity is de-emphasized and seemingly gross and disgusting
t=
hings
> are practiced, just so that one overcomes aversion and attraction =
for things
> and sees all as one (Brahman). The path of aghora is not for=
everyone. A
> very high level of internal purity is required for success=
in it.
Without
> it, one should not attempt it, because one is guarantee=
d to fall.
>
> There is no doubt that these are fantastic books that are d=
irectly
inspired
> by Mother Smashaana Taaraa. I recommend them to every =
spiritual
seeker who
> is curious about tantric practices, with the cauti=
onary word that
you
> should be prepared to be shocked.
>
> Here are th=
e links in Amazon:
>
> (1) "Aghora, At the Left Hand of God" by Robert E S=
voboda
> http://www.amazon.com/AGHORA-Left-Hand-God-Aghora/dp/0914732218
> =
> (2) "Aghora II: Kundalini" by Robert E Svoboda

> http://www.amazon.com/A=
GHORA-II-Kundalini-Aghora/dp/0914732315
>
> (3) "Aghora III: The Law of Ka=
rma" by Robert E Svoboda
> http://www.amazon.com/Aghora-III-Karma-Robert-Sv=
oboda/dp/0914732374
>
> The first book is awe-inspiring and tends to catch=
the imagination
with its
> magical tales. It is a popular book. The seco=
nd book is even more
insightful
> and full of genuine knowledge. There is=
a lot of nonsense on
Kundalini out
> there and this is the most genuine =
book. The third book is the
least popular
> of the series, but perhaps th=
e best. Overall, these books have a
lot of deep
> knowledge in coded form=
, provided one overcomes the initial shock
and gets a
> sense of what agh=
ora is all about.
>
> Vimalananda had a darshan of Smashaana Taaraa when h=
e was 20 or 21
and kept
> seeing Her almost every night. He basically lea=
rnt about everything
from Her
> directly.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
=
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Do G=
anapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
> Spiritualit=
y: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):=
> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http=
://www.VedicAstrologer.org
> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www=
.SriJagannath.org
> -------------------------------------------------------=
-----------
>
> From: "kumar_gh_2000" <kum=
ar_gh_2000@...>
> Sent: Sunday, March =
02, 2008 10:43 PM
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] On Akbar (Re: Boycott 'Jodhaa A=
kbar' |
Participate
> in awareness drive)
>
>
> > Narasimhaji,
> > Than=
ks for informative post. Could you please tell me how to get
> > Aghora Ser=
ies by Swami Vimalananda and his biography?
> > Thank=
s and Regards,
> > Kumar Ghanta
> >
> >
> > --- In=
vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>
> > wrote:
> >=
>
> >> Namaskaram anna,
> >>
> >> I saw this movie and I cannot help respon=
ding.
> >>
> >> It is true that Hindus and sanatana dharma suffered badly a=
t the
> > hands of Muslim invaders (and other invaders), but it is wrong to=
> > take out that anger on Akbar. Some people cannot see beyond a
man's
>=
> name and religion and hence cannot recognize when a great
celestial
> >=
being is born in a different religion.
> >>
> >> Swami Vimalananda, the Ag=
hori yogi mentioned in the "Aghora"
series
> > books, is somebody who achi=
eved the highest states of
consciousness.
> > He received a lot of knowled=
ge directly from Mother Tara.
> > Accordinging to him, Akbar and Jodha were=
the re-incarnation of
> > Samyukta and Rajput King Prithviraj Chouhan. As =
Prithviraj, he
> > repelled so many Muslim invaders at the border of India.=
When
Muslims
> > finally conquered India, he was reborn as one of them an=
d put
breaks
> > on their aggression and changed their ways.
> >>
> >> In =
that age, Muslim invaders engaged in barbarism, destroyed
> > temples, libr=
aries and other relics of native religion and
culture.
> > They beheaded H=
indus who refused to convert, they raped Hindu
women
> > and they beheaded=
defeated kings. They just tried to wipe out the
> > native religion and cu=
lture and replace with theirs. Akbar slowed
> > down the barbarism and aggr=
ession and promoted tolerance and
> > integration. He stopped the forced co=
nversions, rapes and
beheadings
> > of Hindus. He stopped the destruction =
of temples and libraries. He
> > talked about respecting other religions wh=
ile following one's own
> > religion. He even took on the mighty Muslim cle=
rics when he
abolished
> > a special tax on Hindus based on religion. He w=
as a man of great
> > character, conviction and principles and was utterly =
fearless. He
had
> > affinity for Rajputs and was even born in a Rajput fa=
mily and
spent
> > early years there. He displayed the samskaras and insti=
ncts of a
> > refined and cultured Rajput more than those a of Mughal king =
- he
was
> > so unlike his grandfather Babar, father Humayun and step-brot=
her
> > Adham.
> >>
> >> He used to offer arghyas to Sun in the morning and=
then
participate
> > in a Zoroastrian fire ritual of Farsis (similar to o=
ur homam) and
> > then do a namaz with Muslim clerics. Such tolerance was u=
nheard of
> > from any other Muslim ruler in those days (or perhaps even
t=
oday!).
> > Towards the end of his life, he even started his own religion, =
which
> > was based on his realization and is quite noble. He was a
spiri=
tually
> > elevated soul. Irrespective of the religion one follows, one
de=
serves
> > our respect and admiration if one embodies the spirit of sanatan=
a
> > dharma in one's thoughts and actions.
> >>
> >> Akbar was a true hero=
- a being who came down from a higher loka
to
> > fulfil a certain missio=
n with the blessings of rishis. His
> > contribution to the safekeeping of =
sanatana dharma is not to be
> > judged from what harm his fellow Muslims i=
nflicted on sanatana
> > dharma. His contribution is to be judged from what=
*more* harm to
> > sanatana dharma he helped *avoid*. If he had not come, =
I have no
> > doubt that sanatana dharma would have suffered much much more=
than it
> > did. That was not the wish of rishis and that is why they sen=
t
> > somebody to alter the course and minimize the harm. It is
unfortunat=
e
> > that those who see the goodness of emperor Ashoka and king Shivaji
> =
> cannot see the goodness of Akbar simply because he was a Muslim.
> >>
> >=
> It is unfortunate that some Hindus are equating Akbar with the
> > other =
cruel and barbaric Muslim kings. Who should be (was) a
friend
> > of Hindu=
s is being portrayed as an enemy and being shot down.
> > Instead, we shoul=
d promote his story and inspire more people to be
> > like him. He was a gr=
eat inspirational figure then and should be
now
> > too.
> >>
> >> The epi=
c movie "Jodha Albar" is a very good movie about one of
the
> > greatest a=
nd most dharmik emperors of India. The director and
actor
> > did justice =
to a man of great character that Akbar was. I am sad
> > about the mud-slin=
ging that some of my fellow Hindus are engaging
in.
> > Please do not assa=
ssinate the character of Akbar.
> >>
> >> If you want, please make movies o=
f the same caliber and cinematic
> > excellence on great Hindu heroes such =
as Chatrapati Shivaji,
> > Prithviraj Chouhan, Sri Krishnadeva Raya, Vikram=
arka, Salivahana,
> > Ashoka, Jnaaneshwar, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Shankarach=
arya,
> > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Vivekananda, Ramana Maharshi etc. But
t=
here
> > is no need to denigrate a fine movie made on Akbar.
> >>
> >> Thes=
e are my 2 cents on the fire over Jodha Akbar.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>=
Narasimha
> >> -----------------------------------------------------------=
------
-
> >> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/h=
omam
> >> Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
> >> Fre=
e Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
> >> Free Jyoti=
sh software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
> >> Sri Jagannath Ce=
ntre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
> >> ----------------------=
-------------------------------------------
-
> >>
> >> ----- Original Me=
ssage -----
> >>
> >> Namaskar
> >>
> >> This is an awareness drive to=
awake people to boycott
> > movie 'Jodhaa Akbar'.
> >>
> >> The movie Jo=
dhaa Akbar is a vile, vicious, and covert attempt
by
> > a mischievous pro=
ducer/director from Bollywood (Mumbai) to make
quick
> > bucks by denigrat=
ing and vilifying the Hindu (Rajput) people.
Sonia's
> > (Antonia Maino) C=
ongress government promtly banned 'Da Vinci Code'
> > movie after Christian=
s' protest, but this Secular (?) government
is
> > so insensitive about Hi=
ndus protest about 'Jodhaa-Akbar' !
> >>
> >> Visit - http://www.hindujag=
ruti.org/news/3815.html to -
> >>
> >> a.. Know true story of Cruel Akb=
ar and Jodhaabai
> >> b.. Know the people behind this conspiracy (The m=
ovie crew)
> >> c.. View glimpses of protests
> >> Send this mail to =
your friends for creating awareness and
> > protecting self-respect.
> >>
>=
>> Shameful Hindus who throng to watch Jodhaa-Akbar, a film which
> > gl=
orifies Hindu hater Cruel Akbar, are worthy of getting killed by
> > Terror=
ists!
>

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namaste sir
there is book named
the supreme yoga : vasishta yoga by venkat=
esananda
is this the book you mentioned
because the book with name "vasis=

htha's yoga" is not availlable
on many book stores i tried to find out.
re=
gards
jitender
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. R=

ao"
<pvr@...> wrote:
>
> Namaste Sir,
>
> > > But What a real spirituali=
sm is still yet to defined....
>
> I will try more. But first I want to r=
ecommend a couple of books:
>
> (1) "Yoga Vaasishtham" is undoubtedly one=
of the best works
available to a spiritually inclined person with interes=
t in vedanta.
It is a practical book with many stories (unlike most dry ve=
danta
books) and teaches profound lessons through stories.
>
> Interesti=
ngly, I am typing this on the eve of Sree Rama Navami (by
the way, happy S=
ree Rama Navami to all of you!). When Maharshi
Vishwamitra came to request=
Dasaratha to send Lord Rama with him to
protect his yajna from demons, Da=
saratha was hesitant and Lord
Ramachandra was confused. At the request of =
Maharshi Vishwamitra and
others, Maharshi Vasishtha taught Lord Ramachandr=
a the essence of
the knowledge of Self, in front of other maharshis, kings=
and gods.
These teachings were captured by Maharshi Valmiki as the book "=
Yoga
Vaasishtham".
>
> This work helped even maharshis like Bharadwaja t=
o obtain Brahma
jnana. When Valmiki explained Vasishtha's teachings to Bha=
radwaja,
he became realized.
>
> There is a truly inspired English trans=
lation by Swami
Venkatesananda, a disciple of Swami Sivananda of Hrishikes=
h (Divine
Life Society). Swami Sivananda is considered by some to be a re-=
incarnation of Maharshi Vasishtha.

>
> http://www.amazon.com/Vasisthas-Y=
oga-Venkatesananda/dp/0791413640
>
> This is the best book I have read in=
my life and I can say this is
the book that influenced me the most and ch=
anged my thinking.
>
> (2) Bhagavad Gita is a marvelous compendium on pra=
ctical
spirituality. It covers various paths like jnana yoga, raja yoga,
=
bhakti yoga, karma yoga, sannyasa yoga etc. While there are many
commentar=
ies and translations, I prefer the treatment of Sant
Jnaneshwar. He is a r=
are Krishna bhakta who is also associated with
the path of aghora and nath=
as! While most Krishna bhaktas follow
dwaita and vivishtaadwaita, Jnaneshw=
ar's treatment is purely
adwaitic.
>
> In Yoga Vasishtham, Vasishtha tel=
ls Rama that Vishnu would appear
as Krishna in a later yuga and teach the =
essence of Veda to Arjuna.
Vasishtha goes to great lengths on what Krishna=
teaches. Some modern
commentaries on Bhagavad Gita deviate from the adwai=
tic principles
of vedanta and interpret some teachings of Krishna in a way=
that
contradicts Vasishtha's take. Sant Jnaneshwar's interpretation is
c=
onsistent with Vasishtha's and also consistent with upanishads and
vedanta=
.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Jnaneshwars-Gita-Jnaneshwari-Swami-
Kripanand=
a/dp/0911307648
>
> * * *
>
> > > But What a real spiritu=
alism is still yet to defined....
>
> Self-realized person is one who has=
realized that all is Brahman
and not bound by any limited ego, even thoug=
h actions continue to
spring from a previously existing ego (that continue=
s to wind down
like a fan after electricity is turned off).
>
> Spiritua=
l person is one who is making *some progress* towards
becoming a self-real=
ized person at a point in future.
>
> * * *
>
> Unfrotuna=
tely, scriptures can describe a self-realized person and
how he thinks, bu=
t they cannot give any fool-proof steps which, when
followed by one, can e=
nsure self-realization.
>
> Just thinking "all is Brahman" and understand=
ing it
*intellctually* is not sufficient. Let me drive my point home using=
an analogy.
>
> Suppose someone goes to a movie and becomes so involved=
in the
movie that he behaves as through something is really happening on =
the screen. For example, suppose there is a scene where the heroine
is in=
a dark room and villain is about to stab her in the back from
behind her.=
Suppose there is tense music. One may be shuddering with
expectation. One=
may jump with shock and tension.
>
> There may be one person who complet=
ely realizes that this is just
an illusion and nothing is actually happeni=
ng and watches it without
any emotional involvement whatsoever. He is anlo=
gous to a realized
person. Suppose someone is so involved and shouts with =
happiness
when something good happens in the movie and shudders when somet=
hing
terrible happens in the movie. He is analogous to a person deeply
st=
uck in maya. Really speaking, this life we live is quite similar
to a big =
movie, except that it is interactive. Thus, my analogy is
quite appropriat=
e.
>
> Now, one smart person may very well know that this movie thing is =
not really happening and hence controlling emotions mostly. But an

odd sc=
ene may make him shudder too! Such a person is analogous to
one who intell=
ectually understands and appreciates the essence of
Veda (that all is Brah=
man and the objects we see are all an
illusion) and yet does not fully com=
prehend it.
>
> If one fully realizes, then nothing should make one happy=
or sad
internally. One may act externally as though one is happy or sad, =
but the heart should be stable always and not excited or depressed
by *an=
ything*. If all is Brahman, why should anything exicte you
depress you? In=
our analogy, such a person is like one watching the
movie with zero invol=
vement, realizing at all times that it is only
imaginary and not happening=
for real and not being shaken even once.
One who has only an intellectual=
understanding and not a complete
understanding may some times be affected=
by the illusion.
>
> If someone praises you, does it excite you? If some=
one humiliates,
does it upset you? If something seems nice, do you want to=
have it?
If something seems disgusting, do you want to go away?
>
> As =
long as there is attachment and self-identification with a body
or a name =
or some other limited object, some ego remains and causes
all of the above=
. It results in happiness on some events and sadness
on some events. Self-=
realization cannot come without overcoming ego
*fully*. It never comes fro=
m an intellectual understanding of the
dictum "all is Brahman". It comes f=
rom experiencing it.
>
> * * *
>
> How can one go from a =
limited ego to zero ego? There is no single
path. As I said already, scrip=
tures only describe how a realized
person thinks, but they cannot give a f=
ool-proof path to realization.
>
> However, some scriptures do outline so=
me paths for reference.
While they are not fool-proof and do not guarantee=
realization, they
can be helpful.
>
> One person may sit down in seclus=
ion in a forest or in Himalayas
or a remote cave and keep eating enough to=
just survive and actively
contemplate all the time "Who am I? Am I this b=
ody? Who am I? What
are all these objects I perceive? What is all this?" a=
nd eventually
realize Self. This is jnana yoga.
>
> One person may pray =
to a specific deity and slowly force oneself
to see the entire universe as=
another form of that deity and see
that deity in everything. One may even=
tually realize Self through
that deity. This is bhakti yoga.
>
> One per=
son may consider work and service as god and spend all of
one's time servi=
ng people without prejudices, without any self-pride
and without any selfi=
sh motives. One may try to see god in all
people and all service and may e=
ventually realize Self. This is
karma yoga.
>
> One person may use force=
ful methods of raja yoga, control the
body, senses and mind through yogic =
practices, forcefully raise self-
awareness (Kundalini shakti) to higher re=
alms of consciousness. They
too may eventually realize Self.
>
> In each=
of these four broad paths, there are many sub-paths. But
please realize t=
hat no path guarantees self-realization. They help,
but do not guarantee a=
nything. And the only method of spiritual
progress, IMHO, is how much ego =
has been overcome.
>
> Most people stick to one method. There are excepti=
ons like
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa who tried each path and succeeded. In fac=
t,
I believe the logo of Ramakrishna mutt employs symbols of each of
thes=
e paths in it! While each saint is great and one cannot compare
them, Rama=
krishna was somebody else. His lila (play) cannot fully be
understood by m=
ost people even today, after such a long time. His
lila may in fact contin=
ue to play out long after he left the body.
>
> * * *
>
>=
I just want to share my personal view on the link between the
abobe paths=
and Jyotish. This is not from any classic and based on
my own intuition.
=
>
> The path of karma yoga is seen from the element of earth. The path
o=
f bhakti yoga is seen from the element of water. The path of jnaana
yoga i=
s seen from the element of fire. The path of raja yoga is seen
from the el=
ement of air. Of course, ether is in all. Ether or space
is the basis of a=
ll yoga.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> --------------------------------=
----------------------------------
> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://ww=
w.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
> Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/v=
edic-wisdom
> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.ne=
t
> Sri J=
agannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
> --------------=
----------------------------------------------------
>
> --- In JyotishGr=
oup@yahoogroups.com, "Tarun" <tarun.virgo@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Sir,
> >
>=
> a very good mail from your side.
> >
> > you covered all points,
> >
=
> > including the Karma which you mentioned as Arjuna and Krishna's
> > ex=
ample and Raja Janak
> >
> > Rest sanyas things which you mentioned with e=
xamples of Trilinga
> > Swami, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ,Narendranath (Swam=
i Vivekananda)
and
> > few others.
> >
> > Spiritualism of Rajnikant.
> >=
> > But What a real spiritualism is still yet to defined....

> >
> > bei=
ng a sadhu tatva is spiritualism ?? doing karma is
spiritualism ??
> > giv=
ing teachings is spiritualism ? doing Social service is
> > spiritualism ?=
? guiding others is spiritualism.?? being honest
is
> > spiritualism ?? o=
r being a warrior and killing because of duties
is
> > spiritualism ?? or=
taking sanyas is spiritualism ?? or sitting
in
> > temple and worshippin=
g / doing yajna /doing yoga etc...etc...
> > unlimited things.
> >
> > or =
not helping people and letting them face the god's decision
is
> > spirit=
ualism.
> >
> >
> > as per you ..a self realised person who finally loses=
ego ( any
> > planet specific ) is lost that time a person is spiritual ?=
? but
> > what does he do finally .....again long list as above. ...
> >
=
> > you have read Geeta and all other puranas , if you can share few
> > t=
hings from your vast knowledge , it would be great for those
who
> > dono=
t understands the meaning of spiritualism.
> >
> > But do you agree to me =
that there are many people who has made
it as
> > moeny earning module in=
western countries..
> >
> > ////
> > > > > in my view, being a senior ast=
rologer doesnt make one to
> > certify any
> > > > > persons doings as goo=
d and spiritual.
> > >
> > > Nobody can "certify" anybody. However, those=
who know some
> > astrology can give their views on charts that are share=
d and
> > discussed publicly. If some people see those views as
> > a "ce=
rtificates", it is their perception.
> >
> > ////
> >
> > if you read his=
tory of Ashoka ...he killed thousands of people
> > before taking sanyas. =
in the war of kalinga.
> >
> > were you able to define him spiritual befor=
e ?? that time no one
was
> > able to be sure that Ashoka will take Sanya=
s.
> >
> >
> > Basically acceptance of truth / satya and following it ca=
n be
> > Spiritualism.
> >
> >
> > due to lack of time i was not able to=
reply you earlier.
> >
> > hope to receive reply.
> >
> > Tarun.
> >
>=
>
> >
> >
> > --- In JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Ra=
o"
> > <pvr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Namaste Sir,
> > >
> > > > > i will say=
if the person is spiritual ...go and do tapasya
in
> > > > > Himalay..why=
sitting in pleasure world and earning money
and
> > > > > enjoying all wo=
rld pleasures.
> > >
> > > Sitting in pleasure world and earning money is=
NOT synonymous
> > to "enjoying all world pleasures". One may be sitting =
in
pleasure
> > world, earning money and engaging externally in various
=
activities,
> > but the mind may be established in peace and bliss.
> > > =
> > > A realized person is NOT identified by the actions he/she
engages =
> > in. Just as an electric fan continues to turn for a few minutes
even =
> > after the electricity is turned off, a realized person who is
still
=
> > in a body continues to engage in actions based on the previous
flow.
=
> > After King Janaka realized Self, he continued as the king of
Mithila
=
> > and did all royal duties. After Krishna made Arjuna realize
Self,
> >=
Arjuna fought a war and killed his gurus, brothers, grandfather
etc.
> > =
>
> > > One who has not yet realized Self will distinguish between
vario=
us
> > objects of this dual world and view some as good and some as
bad. =
> > He/she will try to stay away from so-called bad actions. On the
> > o=
ther hand, a realized person sees all people, objects and
actions
> > of =
this universe as the same Self and sees no reason to either
be
> > attrac=
ted to or repelled from anything. His/her actions and
> > inactions are th=
us not based on the principles of attraction and
> > repulsion. They are b=
ased on the previous flow.
> > >
> > > Renouncing wife, children, job, mo=
ney etc is an attempt to
find
> > true mental renunciation. Renouncing ex=
ternal objects can
promote
> > mental renunciation, but not guarantee it.=
On the other hand,
one
> > can remain in the midst of the material world=
and all the
external
> > objects and yet have a perfectly stable, peacef=
ul and blissful
mind
> > that is not attracted to or repelled from any of=
the objects one
is
> > surrounded by. For all you know, a big film star =
like
Rajinikanth,
> > who makes millions of dollars per movie, surrounded=
by glamour,
> > money and adulation, may be more detached at the mental l=
evel
than
> > many yogis in Himalayas. It is probably true in the case of=
> > Rajinikanth.

> > >
> > > When one stays away from objects that may =
attract one, it is
> > relatively easy to overcome attraction temporarily.=
Whether one
can
> > retain that renunciation when one comes in contact w=
ith the
objects
> > again or not is a questionmark. On the other hand, to=
be in
contact
> > with the objects that may attract one and yet maintain=
mental
> > detachment and mental renunciation is tougher. It is the true =
test.
> > >
> > > It is not out of place to mention a small story.
> > >=
> > > Trilinga Swami lived for about 300 years and did unbelievable
> >=
austerities in Kashi. When Ramakrishna Paramahamsa met him in
Kashi,
> >=
he remarked to his sishyas that Trilinga Swami was Shiva Himself
and
> >=
a fully realized being. Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was not
> > with=
him on that pilgrimage and he made a point to force
> > Narendranath to g=
o to Kashi later to have a darshan of Trilinga
> > Swami!
> > >
> > > La=
hiri Mahashaya was the guru of Yukteshwar Maharaj, who was
the
> > guru o=
f Paramahamsa Yogananda. Lahiri Mahashaya was a
householder
> > and had a=
high-paying job. Yet he realized Self. Trilnga Swami
spoke
> > little, b=
ut he once spoke a few words in Lahiri Mahashaya's
praise.
> > He said, "=
The state of mind I achieved by renouncing everything,
> > Lahiri achieved=
it while being a householder, being in the
middle of
> > everything. I b=
ow to him."
> > >
> > > * * *
> > >
> > > > > in my vie=
w, being a senior astrologer doesnt make one to
> > certify any
> > > > > =
persons doings as good and spiritual.
> > >
> > > Nobody can "certify" an=
ybody. However, those who know some
> > astrology can give their views on =
charts that are shared and
> > discussed publicly. If some people see thos=
e views as
> > a "certificates", it is their perception.
> > >
> > > * =
* *
> > >
> > > Self-realization can be consistently defin=
ed. However,
> > spirituality is tough to define. It will mean different t=
hings
to
> > different people.
> > >
> > > The goal of all spiritual jo=
urneys is to realize Self, at some
> > time or the other. However, most sp=
iritual journeys of this age
do
> > NOT end in Self-realization.
> > >
=
> > > It is limited ego that binds one to a limited existence like a
> > b=
ody and stops one from realizing the all-pervading true Self.
While
> > a=
self-realized person's ego is completely killed, it is
possible to
> > m=
ake partial progress. There are many people, who overcome ego
to
> > vari=
ous extents and realize to various degrees that body is
> > temporary and =
it is not the true self. One can do so by
following
> > many spiritual pa=
ths, like the path of knowledge, the path of
> > devotion, the path of pra=
nayama, the path of hatha yoga, the
path of
> > work and service etc. One=
who overcomes ego to some extent,
using
> > any path, is making some spi=
ritual progress. When the ego is
> > completely subdued, one realizes the =
true Self. This realization
is
> > the same irrespective of the path foll=
owed. However,
intermediate
> > steps look and feel different based on th=
e path.
> > >
> > > Enough of my 2 cents for tonight...
> > >
> > > Bes=
t regards,
> > > Narasimha
> > > ------------------------------------------=
---------------------
---
> > > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:
http://www.Ve=
dicAstrologer.org/homam
> > > Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/v=
edic-wisdom
> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcas=
t.net
> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org=
> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > =
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
---
> > >=
> > > > > Dear Prashant ji,

> > > > >
> > > > > in my view, being a se=
nior astrologer doesnt make one to
> > certify any
> > > > > persons doing=
s as good and spiritual.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are many factors which o=
ne over looks,
> > > > >
> > > > > and in true sense ....what is the real s=
piritualism.
> > > > >
> > > > > i will say if the person is spiritual ...g=
o and do tapasya
in
> > > > > Himalay..why sitting in pleasure world and e=
arning money
and
> > > > > enjoying all world pleasures.
> > > > >
> > > >=
> Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Tarun
>
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Namaste,
I think the book you mentioned is supposed to be an shorter version of the

book I mentioned. I read only the latter.
It is available on Amazon and I gave the link below. I do not know about
physical book stores.
If you can only buy this book, you can considering buying it instead also.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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> namaste sir

> there is book named
> the supreme yoga : vasishta yoga by venkatesananda
> is this the book you mentioned
>
> because the book with name "vasishtha's yoga" is not availlable
> on many book stores i tried to find out.
>
> regards
> jitender
>
> <pvr@...> wrote:
>>
>> Namaste Sir,
>>
>> > > But What a real spiritualism is still yet to defined....
>>
>> I will try more. But first I want to recommend a couple of books:
>>
>> (1) "Yoga Vaasishtham" is undoubtedly one of the best works
> available to a spiritually inclined person with interest in vedanta.
> It is a practical book with many stories (unlike most dry vedanta
> books) and teaches profound lessons through stories.
>>
>> Interestingly, I am typing this on the eve of Sree Rama Navami (by
> the way, happy Sree Rama Navami to all of you!). When Maharshi
> Vishwamitra came to request Dasaratha to send Lord Rama with him to
> protect his yajna from demons, Dasaratha was hesitant and Lord
> Ramachandra was confused. At the request of Maharshi Vishwamitra and
> others, Maharshi Vasishtha taught Lord Ramachandra the essence of
> the knowledge of Self, in front of other maharshis, kings and gods.
> These teachings were captured by Maharshi Valmiki as the book "Yoga
> Vaasishtham".
>>
>> This work helped even maharshis like Bharadwaja to obtain Brahma
> jnana. When Valmiki explained Vasishtha's teachings to Bharadwaja,
> he became realized.
>>
>> There is a truly inspired English translation by Swami
> Venkatesananda, a disciple of Swami Sivananda of Hrishikesh (Divine
> Life Society). Swami Sivananda is considered by some to be a re-
> incarnation of Maharshi Vasishtha.
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Vasisthas-Yoga-Venkatesananda/dp/0791413640
>>
>> This is the best book I have read in my life and I can say this is
> the book that influenced me the most and changed my thinking.
>>
>> (2) Bhagavad Gita is a marvelous compendium on practical
> spirituality. It covers various paths like jnana yoga, raja yoga,
> bhakti yoga, karma yoga, sannyasa yoga etc. While there are many
> commentaries and translations, I prefer the treatment of Sant
> Jnaneshwar. He is a rare Krishna bhakta who is also associated with
> the path of aghora and nathas! While most Krishna bhaktas follow
> dwaita and vivishtaadwaita, Jnaneshwar's treatment is purely
> adwaitic.
>>
>> In Yoga Vasishtham, Vasishtha tells Rama that Vishnu would appear
> as Krishna in a later yuga and teach the essence of Veda to Arjuna.
> Vasishtha goes to great lengths on what Krishna teaches. Some modern
> commentaries on Bhagavad Gita deviate from the adwaitic principles
> of vedanta and interpret some teachings of Krishna in a way that
> contradicts Vasishtha's take. Sant Jnaneshwar's interpretation is
> consistent with Vasishtha's and also consistent with upanishads and
> vedanta.
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Jnaneshwars-Gita-Jnaneshwari-Swami-
> Kripananda/dp/0911307648
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> > > But What a real spiritualism is still yet to defined....
>>
>> Self-realized person is one who has realized that all is Brahman
> and not bound by any limited ego, even though actions continue to
> spring from a previously existing ego (that continues to wind down
> like a fan after electricity is turned off).
>>
>> Spiritual person is one who is making *some progress* towards
> becoming a self-realized person at a point in future.
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> Unfrotunately, scriptures can describe a self-realized person and
> how he thinks, but they cannot give any fool-proof steps which, when
> followed by one, can ensure self-realization.
>>
>> Just thinking "all is Brahman" and understanding it
> *intellctually* is not sufficient. Let me drive my point home using
> an analogy.
>>
>> Suppose someone goes to a movie and becomes so involved in the
> movie that he behaves as through something is really happening on
> the screen. For example, suppose there is a scene where the heroine
> is in a dark room and villain is about to stab her in the back from
> behind her. Suppose there is tense music. One may be shuddering with
> expectation. One may jump with shock and tension.
>>
>> There may be one person who completely realizes that this is just
> an illusion and nothing is actually happening and watches it without
> any emotional involvement whatsoever. He is anlogous to a realized
> person. Suppose someone is so involved and shouts with happiness
> when something good happens in the movie and shudders when something
> terrible happens in the movie. He is analogous to a person deeply
> stuck in maya. Really speaking, this life we live is quite similar
> to a big movie, except that it is interactive. Thus, my analogy is
> quite appropriate.
>>
>> Now, one smart person may very well know that this movie thing is
> not really happening and hence controlling emotions mostly. But an
> odd scene may make him shudder too! Such a person is analogous to
> one who intellectually understands and appreciates the essence of
> Veda (that all is Brahman and the objects we see are all an
> illusion) and yet does not fully comprehend it.
>>
>> If one fully realizes, then nothing should make one happy or sad
> internally. One may act externally as though one is happy or sad,
> but the heart should be stable always and not excited or depressed
> by *anything*. If all is Brahman, why should anything exicte you
> depress you? In our analogy, such a person is like one watching the
> movie with zero involvement, realizing at all times that it is only
> imaginary and not happening for real and not being shaken even once.
> One who has only an intellectual understanding and not a complete
> understanding may some times be affected by the illusion.
>>
>> If someone praises you, does it excite you? If someone humiliates,
> does it upset you? If something seems nice, do you want to have it?
> If something seems disgusting, do you want to go away?
>>
>> As long as there is attachment and self-identification with a body
> or a name or some other limited object, some ego remains and causes
> all of the above. It results in happiness on some events and sadness
> on some events. Self-realization cannot come without overcoming ego
> *fully*. It never comes from an intellectual understanding of the
> dictum "all is Brahman". It comes from experiencing it.
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> How can one go from a limited ego to zero ego? There is no single
> path. As I said already, scriptures only describe how a realized
> person thinks, but they cannot give a fool-proof path to realization.
>>
>> However, some scriptures do outline some paths for reference.
> While they are not fool-proof and do not guarantee realization, they
> can be helpful.
>>
>> One person may sit down in seclusion in a forest or in Himalayas
> or a remote cave and keep eating enough to just survive and actively
> contemplate all the time "Who am I? Am I this body? Who am I? What
> are all these objects I perceive? What is all this?" and eventually
> realize Self. This is jnana yoga.
>>
>> One person may pray to a specific deity and slowly force oneself
> to see the entire universe as another form of that deity and see
> that deity in everything. One may eventually realize Self through
> that deity. This is bhakti yoga.
>>
>> One person may consider work and service as god and spend all of
> one's time serving people without prejudices, without any self-pride
> and without any selfish motives. One may try to see god in all
> people and all service and may eventually realize Self. This is
> karma yoga.
>>
>> One person may use forceful methods of raja yoga, control the
> body, senses and mind through yogic practices, forcefully raise self-
> awareness (Kundalini shakti) to higher realms of consciousness. They
> too may eventually realize Self.
>>
>> In each of these four broad paths, there are many sub-paths. But
> please realize that no path guarantees self-realization. They help,
> but do not guarantee anything. And the only method of spiritual
> progress, IMHO, is how much ego has been overcome.
>>
>> Most people stick to one method. There are exceptions like
> Ramakrishna Paramahamsa who tried each path and succeeded. In fact,
> I believe the logo of Ramakrishna mutt employs symbols of each of
> these paths in it! While each saint is great and one cannot compare
> them, Ramakrishna was somebody else. His lila (play) cannot fully be
> understood by most people even today, after such a long time. His
> lila may in fact continue to play out long after he left the body.
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> I just want to share my personal view on the link between the
> abobe paths and Jyotish. This is not from any classic and based on
> my own intuition.
>>
>> The path of karma yoga is seen from the element of earth. The path
> of bhakti yoga is seen from the element of water. The path of jnaana
> yoga is seen from the element of fire. The path of raja yoga is seen
> from the element of air. Of course, ether is in all. Ether or space
> is the basis of all yoga.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Narasimha
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> --- In JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com, "Tarun" <tarun.virgo@> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Sir,
>> >
>> > a very good mail from your side.
>> >
>> > you covered all points,
>> >
>> > including the Karma which you mentioned as Arjuna and Krishna's
>> > example and Raja Janak
>> >
>> > Rest sanyas things which you mentioned with examples of Trilinga
>> > Swami, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ,Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda)
> and
>> > few others.
>> >
>> > Spiritualism of Rajnikant.
>> >
>> > But What a real spiritualism is still yet to defined....
>> >
>> > being a sadhu tatva is spiritualism ?? doing karma is
> spiritualism ??
>> > giving teachings is spiritualism ? doing Social service is
>> > spiritualism ?? guiding others is spiritualism.?? being honest
> is
>> > spiritualism ?? or being a warrior and killing because of duties
> is
>> > spiritualism ?? or taking sanyas is spiritualism ?? or sitting
> in
>> > temple and worshipping / doing yajna /doing yoga etc...etc...
>> > unlimited things.
>> >
>> > or not helping people and letting them face the god's decision
> is
>> > spiritualism.
>> >
>> >
>> > as per you ..a self realised person who finally loses ego ( any
>> > planet specific ) is lost that time a person is spiritual ?? but
>> > what does he do finally .....again long list as above. ...
>> >
>> > you have read Geeta and all other puranas , if you can share few
>> > things from your vast knowledge , it would be great for those
> who
>> > donot understands the meaning of spiritualism.
>> >
>> > But do you agree to me that there are many people who has made
> it as
>> > moeny earning module in western countries..
>> >
>> > ////
>> > > > > in my view, being a senior astrologer doesnt make one to
>> > certify any
>> > > > > persons doings as good and spiritual.
>> > >
>> > > Nobody can "certify" anybody. However, those who know some
>> > astrology can give their views on charts that are shared and
>> > discussed publicly. If some people see those views as
>> > a "certificates", it is their perception.
>> >
>> > ////
>> >
>> > if you read history of Ashoka ...he killed thousands of people
>> > before taking sanyas. in the war of kalinga.
>> >
>> > were you able to define him spiritual before ?? that time no one
> was
>> > able to be sure that Ashoka will take Sanyas.
>> >
>> >
>> > Basically acceptance of truth / satya and following it can be
>> > Spiritualism.
>> >
>> >
>> > due to lack of time i was not able to reply you earlier.
>> >
>> > hope to receive reply.
>> >
>> > Tarun.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
>> > <pvr@> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Namaste Sir,
>> > >
>> > > > > i will say if the person is spiritual ...go and do tapasya
> in
>> > > > > Himalay..why sitting in pleasure world and earning money
> and
>> > > > > enjoying all world pleasures.
>> > >
>> > > Sitting in pleasure world and earning money is NOT synonymous
>> > to "enjoying all world pleasures". One may be sitting in
> pleasure
>> > world, earning money and engaging externally in various
> activities,
>> > but the mind may be established in peace and bliss.
>> > >
>> > > A realized person is NOT identified by the actions he/she
> engages
>> > in. Just as an electric fan continues to turn for a few minutes
> even
>> > after the electricity is turned off, a realized person who is
> still
>> > in a body continues to engage in actions based on the previous
> flow.
>> > After King Janaka realized Self, he continued as the king of
> Mithila
>> > and did all royal duties. After Krishna made Arjuna realize
> Self,
>> > Arjuna fought a war and killed his gurus, brothers, grandfather
> etc.
>> > >
>> > > One who has not yet realized Self will distinguish between
> various
>> > objects of this dual world and view some as good and some as
> bad.
>> > He/she will try to stay away from so-called bad actions. On the
>> > other hand, a realized person sees all people, objects and
> actions
>> > of this universe as the same Self and sees no reason to either
> be
>> > attracted to or repelled from anything. His/her actions and
>> > inactions are thus not based on the principles of attraction and
>> > repulsion. They are based on the previous flow.
>> > >
>> > > Renouncing wife, children, job, money etc is an attempt to
> find
>> > true mental renunciation. Renouncing external objects can
> promote
>> > mental renunciation, but not guarantee it. On the other hand,
> one
>> > can remain in the midst of the material world and all the
> external
>> > objects and yet have a perfectly stable, peaceful and blissful
> mind
>> > that is not attracted to or repelled from any of the objects one
> is
>> > surrounded by. For all you know, a big film star like
> Rajinikanth,
>> > who makes millions of dollars per movie, surrounded by glamour,
>> > money and adulation, may be more detached at the mental level
> than
>> > many yogis in Himalayas. It is probably true in the case of
>> > Rajinikanth.
>> > >
>> > > When one stays away from objects that may attract one, it is
>> > relatively easy to overcome attraction temporarily. Whether one
> can
>> > retain that renunciation when one comes in contact with the
> objects
>> > again or not is a questionmark. On the other hand, to be in
> contact
>> > with the objects that may attract one and yet maintain mental
>> > detachment and mental renunciation is tougher. It is the true
> test.
>> > >
>> > > It is not out of place to mention a small story.
>> > >
>> > > Trilinga Swami lived for about 300 years and did unbelievable
>> > austerities in Kashi. When Ramakrishna Paramahamsa met him in
> Kashi,
>> > he remarked to his sishyas that Trilinga Swami was Shiva Himself
> and
>> > a fully realized being. Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was not
>> > with him on that pilgrimage and he made a point to force
>> > Narendranath to go to Kashi later to have a darshan of Trilinga
>> > Swami!
>> > >
>> > > Lahiri Mahashaya was the guru of Yukteshwar Maharaj, who was
> the
>> > guru of Paramahamsa Yogananda. Lahiri Mahashaya was a
> householder
>> > and had a high-paying job. Yet he realized Self. Trilnga Swami
> spoke
>> > little, but he once spoke a few words in Lahiri Mahashaya's
> praise.
>> > He said, "The state of mind I achieved by renouncing everything,
>> > Lahiri achieved it while being a householder, being in the
> middle of
>> > everything. I bow to him."
>> > >
>> > > * * *
>> > >
>> > certify any
>> > >
>> > > Nobody can "certify" anybody. However, those who know some
>> > astrology can give their views on charts that are shared and
>> > discussed publicly. If some people see those views as
>> > a "certificates", it is their perception.
>> > >
>> > > * * *
>> > >
>> > > Self-realization can be consistently defined. However,
>> > spirituality is tough to define. It will mean different things
> to
>> > different people.
>> > >
>> > > The goal of all spiritual journeys is to realize Self, at some
>> > time or the other. However, most spiritual journeys of this age
> do
>> > NOT end in Self-realization.
>> > >
>> > > It is limited ego that binds one to a limited existence like a
>> > body and stops one from realizing the all-pervading true Self.
> While
>> > a self-realized person's ego is completely killed, it is
> possible to
>> > make partial progress. There are many people, who overcome ego
> to
>> > various extents and realize to various degrees that body is
>> > temporary and it is not the true self. One can do so by
> following
>> > many spiritual paths, like the path of knowledge, the path of
>> > devotion, the path of pranayama, the path of hatha yoga, the
> path of
>> > work and service etc. One who overcomes ego to some extent,
> using
>> > any path, is making some spiritual progress. When the ego is
>> > completely subdued, one realizes the true Self. This realization
> is
>> > the same irrespective of the path followed. However,
> intermediate
>> > steps look and feel different based on the path.
>> > >
>> > > Enough of my 2 cents for tonight...
>> > >
>> > > Best regards,
>> > > Narasimha
>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
>> > > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:
>> > > Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
>> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
>> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
>> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
>> > >
>> > > > > Dear Prashant ji,
>> > > > >
>> > certify any
>> > > > >
>> > > > > There are many factors which one over looks,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > and in true sense ....what is the real spiritualism.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > i will say if the person is spiritual ...go and do tapasya
> in
>> > > > > Himalay..why sitting in pleasure world and earning money
> and
>> > > > > enjoying all world pleasures.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Regards,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Tarun

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Dear Rajarishi , Namaskar
Mine favourite is Srila Visvanatha Chakravarti.
Regards,
Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher
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rajarshi14 napisa?(a):
>
> Respected Members,
>
> I am sure a lot of you have read the Bhagwat Gita translated by
> various illustrous people arcoss ages. So which one do you think, or
> rather whos explanation of the Gita do you like best.
>
> I personally find the explanations of Geeta given by Sri Shamacharan
> Lahiri to be the profoundest. But that is purely from a yogic point of
> view.
>
> Kindly mention your personal favourite Geeta explanation.
>
> -Regards
> Rajarshi
>
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<big>Dear Rajarishi , Namaskar<br>
<br>
Mine favourite is Srila Visvanatha Chakravarti.<br>
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<p>Respected Members,<br>
<br>
I am sure a lot of you have read the Bhagwat Gita translated by <br>
various illustrous people arcoss ages. So which one do you think, or <br>
rather whos explanation of the Gita do you like best.<br>
<br>
I personally find the explanations of Geeta given by Sri Shamacharan <br>
Lahiri to be the profoundest. But that is purely from a yogic point of <br>
view.<br>
<br>
Kindly mention your personal favourite Geeta explanation.<br>
<br>
-Regards <br>
Rajarshi<br>
<br>
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How are you doing? Thanks for the reply. I will try and locate this book and read
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or any website regarding teh same.
Thanks
Rajarshi
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kleem namah narasimhaaya
Dear Rajarishi , Namaskar
Mine favourite is Srila Visvanatha Chakravarti.
Regards,
Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher
www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal@...
rajarshi14 napisa (a): Respected Members,
I am sure a lot of you have read the Bhagwat Gita translated by

various illustrous people arcoss ages. So which one do you think, or
rather whos explanation of the Gita do you like best.
I personally find the explanations of Geeta given by Sri Shamacharan

Lahiri to be the profoundest. But that is purely from a yogic point of
view.
Kindly mention your personal favourite Geeta explanation.
-Regards
Rajarshi
Aditya Hrudayam punyam Sarva satru Vinasanam

Jayavaham Japet Nityam Akshyayyam paramam sivam ||
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<div>Dear Rafal,</div> <div> </div> <div>How are you doing? Thanks for the reply.
I will try and locate this book and read it. Could your provide me with some more
information on Srila Visvanath Chakravarti or any website regarding teh same.</div>
<div> </div> <div>Thanks</div> <div>Rajarshi<BR><BR><B><I>Rafal Gendarz
<starsuponme@...></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-
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Rajarishi , Namaskar<BR><BR>Mine favourite is
Srila Visvanatha Chakravarti.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR></BIG></SMALL><SMALL><BIG>Rafal
Gendarz / </BIG></SMALL><SMALL><BIG>SJC
Teacher</BIG></SMALL><BR></FONT><SMALL><FONT color=#000066><FONT
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FONT></SMALL><BR><BR>rajarshi14 napisa (a): <BLOCKQUOTE cite=midfu6l79+3emk@...
type="cite"> <DIV id=ygrp-text> <div>Respected Members,<BR><BR>I am sure a lot of
you have read the Bhagwat Gita translated by <BR>various illustrous people arcoss
ages. So which one do you think, or <BR>rather whos explanation of
the Gita do you like best.<BR><BR>I personally find the explanations of Geeta
given by Sri Shamacharan <BR>Lahiri to be the profoundest. But that is purely from
a yogic point of <BR>view.<BR><BR>Kindly mention your personal favourite Geeta
explanation.<BR><BR>-Regards <BR>Rajarshi<BR><BR></div></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR><DIV><EM><STRONG> <div class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt">Aditya Hrudayam punyam Sarva satru Vinasanam</SPAN></STRONG></div> <div
class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:
Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"></SPAN></STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><STRONG> Jayavaham
Japet Nityam Akshyayyam paramam sivam ||</STRONG><?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O
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they a part
of tantra also or what
and another thing i wanted to ask is

=
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astrology =
(in the chapter regarding vedic remedies)that a jyotishi has
to choose a p=
articular god on the basis of knowledge of vedic studies
for a native whos=
e chart is being studied to help him grow
spiriyually then it is RAJAYOG=
A or BHAKTI YOGA
regards
jitender
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Namaste,
The word tantra has a negative connotation due to so many people abusing
tantra. Tantra basically means a procedure. Different rituals have different
procedures. Some are more elaborate and some are simple. But there is a
tantra in every ritual.
Whether a ritual is saattwik or raajasik or taamasik is decided by the

attitude and thinking involved and not based on the deity or the procedure
alone.
Choice of deity based on horoscope is for bhakti yoga. However, our

understanding of Jyotisha is imperfect. Sometimes, we give a wrong advice.
But, in this case, wrong advice is not catastrophic. If a seeker is sincere,
he will eventually find the right direction.
A sadguru is far more useful than astrology to show the correct direction in
which one makes quick progress.
Best regards,
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> namaste to all

> i wanted to ask that when do certain upayas in jyotish are they a part
> of tantra also or what
>
> and another thing i wanted to ask is
> as narasimha ji mentioned in his book integrated approach vedic
> astrology (in the chapter regarding vedic remedies)that a jyotishi has
> to choose a particular god on the basis of knowledge of vedic studies
> for a native whose chart is being studied to help him grow
> spiriyually then it is RAJAYOGA or BHAKTI YOGA
>
> regards
> jitender

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namaste sir
there is 1 more question regarding mantra

though i have read i=
n your book regarding mantras is
there pronunciation is very important but =
is there a way that has to
be followed in order to chant mantra
i have re=
ad your analogy for a sadhak with a guru and without a guru
one starting w=
ith some balance in spiritual account and one with nil
one
but are recita=

tion of mantras done in some manner prescribed in some
text? or the only t=
hat matters is faith
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explained
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s
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>
> Namaste,
>
> The word tantra has a negative connotat=
ion due to so many people
abusing
> tantra. Tantra basically means a proc=
edure. Different rituals have
different
> procedures. Some are more elabo=
rate and some are simple. But there
is a
> tantra in every ritual.
>
> W=
hether a ritual is saattwik or raajasik or taamasik is decided by
the
> a=
ttitude and thinking involved and not based on the deity or the
procedure =
> alone.
>
> Choice of deity based on horoscope is for bhakti yoga. Howev=
er,
our
> understanding of Jyotisha is imperfect. Sometimes, we give a wr=
ong
advice.
> But, in this case, wrong advice is not catastrophic. If a s=
eeker
is sincere,
> he will eventually find the right direction.
>
> A s=
adguru is far more useful than astrology to show the correct
direction in =
> which one makes quick progress.

>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
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>
> From: "dahiyajiten" <dahiyajiten@..=
.>
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:=
36 PM
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] mantras
>
>
> > namaste to all
> > i wan=
ted to ask that when do certain upayas in jyotish are they
a part
> > of t=
antra also or what
> >
> > and another thing i wanted to ask is
> > as nara=
simha ji mentioned in his book integrated approach vedic
> > astrology (in =
the chapter regarding vedic remedies)that a
jyotishi has
> > to choose a p=
articular god on the basis of knowledge of vedic
studies
> > for a native =
whose chart is being studied to help him grow
> > spiriyually then it is =
RAJAYOGA or BHAKTI YOGA
> >
> > regards
> > jitender
>

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<div>In a small town, a person decided to open up his Bar usiness, which was right
opposite to the Temple. The Temple & its congregation started a campaign to block
the Bar from opening with petitions and prayed daily against his
business.<BR><BR>Work progressed. However, when it was almost complete and was
about to open a few days later, a strong lightning struck the Bar and it was
burnt to the ground.<BR><BR>The temple folks were rather smug in their outlook
after that, till the Bar owner sued the Temple authorities on the grounds that the
Temple through its congregation & prayers was ultimately responsible for the demise
of his bar shop, either through direct or indirect actions or means. <BR><BR>In its
reply to the court, the temple vehemently denied all <BR>responsibility or any
connection that their prayers were reasons to the bar shop's demise. As the case
made its way into court, the judge looked over the paperwork at the
hearing and commented:<BR><BR><FONT face="arial black">"I don't know how I'm going
to decide this case, but it appears from <BR>the paperwork, we have a bar owner who
believes in the power of <BR>prayer and we have an entire temple and its devotees
that dont."</FONT> <BR><BR>Regds.</div> <div>K.V.Vighnesh</div>
<div>Chennai.</div><p>

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problem is there in the software please chk and let me know..
regard
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Namaste,
The yahoogroup vedic-wisdom is strictly for spiritual discussions on the

essence of Veda, Upanishad etc. I essentially created this group to capture
my writings on spiritual matters whenever I get the mood to write. Others
too are welcome to share their thoughts on spirituality.
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and then. Please refrain from it. There are umpteen yahoogroups for
discussing different aspects related to Vedic astrology and my free
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> Namskar Narsimha ji

>
> i was checking your software with kp horary no.Sub lord of 136 is sun
> where as in your jaganath hora this is showing venus.. got chked some
> more found wrong... is there any setting need to apply .. or some
> problem is there in the software please chk and let me know..
>
> regard
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Dear Narasimha,
Pranam.
Can we discuss some mantra issues here? For exampl=

e, I am interest in
knowing how Kavachas work as mantras and what results =
are expected from
them; at what stage a particular kavacha is recommended =
for japam in
sadhanas, etc.
Thanks & best regards,

Himanshu Mohan
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<table cellspacing='0' cellpadding='0' border='0' ><tr><td style='font:

inherit;'><P>Dear PVR garu,</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Namaste.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Can you also please clarify on where one should imagine the Ista devata during
meditation ?</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Some people say that it is at the heart but some others say it should be in
between the eye brows.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Regards,</P>
<P>Ramakrishna<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 4/26/08, m.himanshu
<I><himanshu_mohan@...></I></B> wrote:<BR></P>
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<P>Dear Narasimha,<BR>Pranam.<BR><BR>Can we discuss some mantra issues here? For
example, I am interest in <BR>knowing how Kavachas work as mantras and what results
are expected from <BR>them; at what stage a particular kavacha is recommended for
japam in <BR>sadhanas, etc.<BR><BR>Thanks & best regards,<BR>Himanshu
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Namskar ji
Sorry.....
regard
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Na=

rasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...>
wrote:
>
> Namaste,
>
> The yahoogroup vedic=
-wisdom is strictly for spiritual discussions on
the
> essence of Veda, Up=
anishad etc. I essentially created this group to
capture
> my writings on =
spiritual matters whenever I get the mood to write.
Others
> too are welco=
me to share their thoughts on spirituality.
>
> I have been seeing some ma=
ils on astrology and astrology software
here now
> and then. Please refrai=
n from it. There are umpteen yahoogroups for
> discussing different aspect=
s related to Vedic astrology and my free
> software. Please discuss on oth=
er groups.
>
> For issues related to Vedic astrology software "Jagannatha =
Hora", jhora
> yahoogroup is the right place.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasim=
ha
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
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www.SriJagannath.org
> ----------------------------------------------------=
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>
> From: "Amit" <amitpuri2=
0@...>
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 =
1:47 AM
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] K.P in your Software
>
>
> > Namskar Na=
rsimha ji
> >
> > i was checking your software with kp horary no.Sub lord o=
f 136 is sun
> > where as in your jaganath hora this is showing venus.. got=
chked some
> > more found wrong... is there any setting need to apply .. =
or some
> > problem is there in the software please chk and let me know..
>=
>
> > regard
>
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My favorite is by Pujya Swami H.H Dayananda Saraswati of Arsha Vidya

Guruku=
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> rajarshi14 napisa?(a):
> =
>
> > Respected Members,
> >
> > I am sure a lot of you have read the Bhagw=
at Gita translated by
> > various illustrous people arcoss ages. So which o=
ne do you think, or
> > rather whos explanation of the Gita do you like bes=
t.
> >
> > I personally find the explanations of Geeta given by Sri Shamach=
aran
> > Lahiri to be the profoundest. But that is purely from a yogic poin=
t of
> > view.
> >
> > Kindly mention your personal favourite Geeta explana=
tion.
> >
> > -Regards
> > Rajarshi
> >
> >
>
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Came across this incident regarding Bhagwan Sri Ramana Maharishi and
Ganap=
ati Muni. Anyone who has ever tried even a minutest fraction of
sadhana no=
t to gain a better happy life but to get that one small
fraction of an inc=
h closer to God will know the millions of troubles
and frustation that com=
e in the path. It was on one such moment when
I came across this writing a=
nd felt humbled. Ganapati Muni was known
as a siddha who had done terrific=
, i repeat terrific amount of
penances, even before he met Sri Ramana Maha=
rishi. If such a man
could be troubled by doubts and frustation, what to s=
peak of us
ordinary men whos minds are overcrowded with multiple weaknesse=
ss.
Also the followinf conversation shows how a real understanding of
the=
shastra is possible ONLY for a man who is that spiritually
elevated. Like=
Lahiri Mahasaya used to say to his disciples, only a
true yogi will under=
stand the spriptures. Others will only get a
incomplete surface view of th=
ings. And based on our incomplete
inefficient understand of shatras we kee=
p fighting with others
claiming our path our tradition our understading is=
the only true
one.
"Ganapati Muni had met the yet-to-be-called Sri Raman=

a on the
southern slopes of Arunachala. One day he was assailed by pains, =
troubles, doubts. He remembered that the young Swami was on the

hill, and=
at midday, a little after noon, he climbed and found him
sitting outside =
Virupaksha cave, alone. He prostrated and said, "All
the scriptures that h=
ave to be read, I have read. All the mantras
and japa that have to be done=
, I have done. Still I have no peace.
Please save me." The young Swami too=
k a little time. For at least
fifteen minutes he silently gazed at him. Th=
en in Tamil, he spoke.
The English translation is simple:
"If one watches=

whence the notion 'I' arises, the mind is absorbed
in That; that is tapas=
. When you recite a mantra, watch where the
sound is coming from, within y=
ou; when you sing a song or prayer,
watch where it is emanating from: your=
Heart. Put your attention on
That. That is tyaga, that is TAPASYA, that i=
s all."
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Dear Mr Narasimha,
Was going through some older posts in this community wh=

en I came
across this mail. This is regarding the metion of Sri Yukteshwar=
Giris calculations of the yugas.
Firstly let me clarify that I personall=

y am no vedic scholar, nor
can I read sanskrit. So I really have no idea o=
f what or who is
right. But I had the good fortune of reading the book "Th=
e Holy
Science" where he refers to this calcuation of yugas. Now you must =
have read in th autobiography of a yogi that Sri Lahiri Mahasaya had

inst=
ructed Sri Yukteshwar Giri to go to the Kumb Mela so that he
could meet th=
e Mahamauni. And later after Sri Yukteshwar Giri
Maharaj had completed his=
book, that very day he met the Mahamauni
who was sitting under a tree wit=
h his disciples. Infact the incident
goes this way that as the Mahamauni h=
ad promised Yukteshwar Giri
that he would meet him once the book get writt=
en. So as Sri
Yukteshwar Giri was passing by in the morning to take a bath=
suddenly he finds the Mahamauni with his disciples under a tree. And
the=
first thing that the Mahamauni tells Sri Yukteshwar giri is to
to bring p=
erfection in his vision by increasing his meditation
because had he done s=
o he should have been able to see Him(the
Mahamauni) and his disciple insi=
de the sunlight. Anyway that is
beside the point.
What I was wondering is =
that, if the calculation of yugas as given
by Sri Yukteshwar is wrong then=
that means even the Mahamauni Babaji
blessing the book and meeting him in=
kumb and again later is also
wrong. I mean all these people are way way w=
ay way ahead of me, but
even among them Mahamauni is just not another sadh=
aka or a yogi. He
is the Babaji. As Lahiri Mahasay mentions in his dairy."=
budhe babai
kisun hai".. Lahiri Mahasay used to refer to Babaji as budhe b=
aba.
And Kisun was Krishna. To think that, THAT supersoul specifically
bl=
essing a book written by a great yogi actually contains wrong
calcuation b=
ecomes a little difficult to comprehend.
I of my own have no knowledge or =
learning to be able to decide what
is right and what is not. I just voiced=
a concern of mine from the
point of view of an ordinary individual who co=
nsiders the Mahamauni
to be one with God himself. If He is can make such a=
mistake, then
God is not really that omnipotent I guess.
-Regards
Rajar=
shi
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@=
...> wrote:
>
> Namaste,
>
> > -When did Lord Ramchandra appear. Some say =
He appeared few
thousand
> > years before Lord Krishna, Is that true?
>
>=
Atleast 1.8 million years back.
>
> > -As most of the people believe thes=
e days that the Vedas were
> > written/revealed 7-8000 yrs ago, if this is =
true then what was
the
> > source of knowledge before that?
>
> Vedas are=
millions of years old. They are arranged in their
current form by
> Vyas=
a about 5,000 years back. But they were revealed to rishis
millions of
> =
years back. Yogis have been meditating on verses from Vedas and
realizing =
> universal truths represented by them for millions of years.

>
> > -Why =
most of the Darshans are also few thousand years old, wasnt
there
> > any =
philosophy before that?
>
> The modern chronology of Hindu scriptures was =
created by people
with heavy
> biases and agendas. Darshanas are not a fe=
w thousand of years old.
>
> We had Veda(s), vedanta, vedangas, darshanas =
etc for millions of
years.
>
> > -What is the divison of the ages(yugas).=
Again there is a lot of
> > confusion here as some say they are thousands =
of years long but
others
> > say millions of years long. Can you please ex=
plain it.
>
> Krita/Sat yuga is 1,728,000 years long. Treta yuga is 1,296,=
000
years long.
> Dwapara yuga is 864,000 years long. Current Kali yuga s=
tarted
about 5,000
> years back and it is 432,000 years long.
>
> Yukesh=
war maharaj (guru of Paramahamsa Yogananda) took a different
view,
> wher=
e all the above numbers are divided by 360. He is a great yogi
and
> belo=
ngs to a great lineage and I have the highest respect. But he
is simply
>=
wrong on this. A yogi can experience all times and spaces. In
fact, time =
is
> a very weird concept, even though it seems natural to us when we
are=
> completely bound to this body in this particular space-time

continuum.=
When
> a yogi enters nirvikalpa samadhi, there is no space and time for
=
him/her.
> The space-time continuum experienced by a yogi in different rea=
lms
of
> consciousness are different. I submit that Yukteshwar Maharaj ma=
de
some
> mistake, either intentionally or unintentionally, in drawing
c=
onclusions
> from his experiences.
>
> Traditionally, we mention the numb=
er of years that passed since
Kali yuga
> started, at the start of every =
ritual. The number mentioned (about
5,000
> years) matches with the astro=
nomical dating of Mahabharata. All
the
> astronomical combinations mentio=
ned by Vyasa in Mahabharata
occurred in that
> sequence in a consistent m=
anner about 5,000 years back. There were
tens of
> those eventsand they o=
ccurred in that sequence only once in the
last 7,400
> years. For sure, K=
rishna lived about 5,000 years back and Kali
yuga started
> then.
>
> > =
-You advised me to worship Lord Varaha (Vishnu's boar
incarnation).
> > Ca=
n you please explain if this is an allegory/metaphor or a real
story
> > a=
nd is there any special method to worship Varaha incarnation.
Also
> > can=
you please illustrate the meaning of the form of Vishnu.
>
> All the stor=
ies of Puranas are metaphors of some internal
happenings and
> also real =
stories at the same time.
>
> Each of is a microcosm of the entire univers=
e. Thus, macro events
described
> in scriptures happen microcosmically in=
side us. It is equally
valid to see
> them as real stories and as metapho=
rs. When one's self-
consciousness ascends
> to a particular realm of cons=
ciousness, it is actually possible to
see one
> of these stories actually=
happening. In our normal realm of
consciousness,
> these are just storie=
s and we can only understand them
intellectually.
>
> There are Jupiter, =
his wife Tara, Moon and Mercury externally.
Internally,
> they represent =
the intelligence, the expression of intelligence,
mind and
> learning abi=
lity (respectively). The story of Jupiter's wife Tara
begetting
> a child=
(Mercury) through Moon is real. It is also a metaphor for
the fact
> tha=
t internally, mind combines with the expression of intelligence
to
> gene=
rate learning ability.
>
> Regarding Varaha avatara, here is my view. Hira=
nya means gold and
also
> great. Aksha has many meanings, but one of them=
is "sense organs".
The demon
> Hiranyaksha symbolizes the mighty sense o=
rgans. He stole Mother
earth and
> sunk Her in water. Mother earth is sym=
bolized by Kundalini
> (self-consciousness, microcosmic representation of =
the divine
Mother within
> each person) who is normally in the Mooladhara=
chakra (earth
element). When
> a sadhaka is caught by the mighty sense o=
rgans, Kundalini
> (self-consciousness) is stuck in the samsara saagara (t=
he ocean of
material
> life) and loses balance. Lord Vishnu (sattwa guna =
in a person)
takes the
> form of a boar and comes from the nostril of the=
creator. He digs
in and
> rescues earth from Hiranyaksha. When sattwa gu=
na enters the praana
(life
> force - nostril reference) of a person, dive=
s down to Mooladhara
and
> destroys the attachment to the mighty sense or=
gans there, the
Mother is
> freed and can move up to Merge with the Lord =
(i.e. self-
consciousness
> ascending to merge with Brahman). Basically Va=
raha avatara
represents the
> sattwa guna in a person that tries to give =
detachment from the
perceptions
> of the sense organs and then make the c=
alm praana dives down to
Mooladhara
> to give balance to Kundalini to mov=
e up.
>
> > -I am getting married in Oct this year, can u please tell me h=
ow
is it
> > going to affect my spiritual life. My fiancee's Birth Details=
-
02 Oct
> > 1980, 13:20, New Delhi, India.
>
> Good luck with your marit=
al life!
>
> > Another thing is you mentioned about drigdasa Pisces from M=
arch
2008
> > to March 2017 but when I checked in Parashar it shows me it =
is
from
> > March 2007 to March 2016. I am just a novice in astrology so i=
f
you
> > can explain me which one is correct.
>
> Drigdasa was taught in=
correctly by some teachers earlier, based on
wrongly
> remembered teachin=
gs of tradition. Most softwares (including my
own
> Jagannatha Hora softw=
are) calculate it incorrectly. My personal
version of
> the software (to =
be released to the public later) calculates it
based on
> Parasara's teac=
hings and I believe it to be correct based on my
study of the
> charts of=
several spiritualists. I taught it in the recent two
issues of
> "Jyotis=
h Digest" magazine.
>
> > Next thing is about meditation, can you please a=
dvise me any good
> > meditation postures or any book where I can learn som=
e.
>
> Don't worry about technicalities too much. The most fundamental
th=
ing is
> that your back and neck should be erect, straight and not tense a=
t
the same
> time. You may sit on floor cross-legged preferably or even s=
it in
a chair if
> you have weak knees. The most important thing is the b=
ack and neck
being
> erect. Secondly, close the eyes, otherwise a lot of =
fire is wasted
in the
> act of seeing. That agni is better used for other=
things! Then
repeat the
> mantra. If your focus is wandering elsewhere, =
don't panic and
worry too
> much. Just bring back your mind to the mantra=
. Try your best to
focus on the
> mantra. With time, you will succeed.
> =
> Finally remember - no effort is wasted. Even an effort that seems

to be=
not
> yielding results is actually working towards a final result. If a
=
straw of
> the grass makes the scales tilt, it does not mean all the objec=
ts
placed on
> the scale previously were unneeded! Just have faith and ke=
ep doing
sadhana.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
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> -----=
Original Message -----
> From: "Sanjeev Narula" <san_narula@...>
> To: <v=
edic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 4:22 AM
> Su=
bject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Need more help
>
>
> > Hari OM
> >
> > Namaste =
Narasimha Ji
> >
> > First of all I would like to thank you for the illustr=
ative and
quick
> > reply. I really dont have the words to express my grat=
itude.
> >
> > First of all with Homam Kundam I have ordered it online from=
an
Indian
> > store, I am expecting it in few weeks time after which I wi=
ll
start
> > doing Homam.
> >
> > Another thing is you mentioned about dri=
gdasa Pisces from March
2008
> > to March 2017 but when I checked in Paras=
har it shows me it is
from
> > March 2007 to March 2016. I am just a novic=
e in astrology so if
you
> > can explain me which one is correct.
> >
> > =
As you mentioned it is correct that I have been a devotee of Shri
> > Krish=
na since childhood.
> >
> > Next thing is about meditation, can you please =
advise me any good
> > meditation postures or any book where I can learn so=
me.
> >
> > Like I said before there are so many other questions which come=
up in
> > my mind. Although you will find that most of them are silly
qu=
estions
> > but if you can answer them in brief it will increase my faith i=
n
> > scriptures and clear my doubts.
> >
> > -When did Lord Ramchandra app=
ear. Some say He appeared few
thousand
> > years before Lord Krishna, Is t=
hat true?
> >
> > -As most of the people believe these days that the Vedas =
were
> > written/revealed 7-8000 yrs ago, if this is true then what was
th=
e
> > source of knowledge before that?
> >
> > -Why most of the Darshans ar=
e also few thousand years old, wasnt
there
> > any philosophy before that?=
> >
> > -What is the divison of the ages(yugas). Again there is a lot of
>=
> confusion here as some say they are thousands of years long but
others
=
> > say millions of years long. Can you please explain it.
> >
> > -You adv=
ised me to worship Lord Varaha (Vishnu's boar
incarnation).
> > Can you pl=
ease explain if this is an allegory/metaphor or a real
story
> > and is th=
ere any special method to worship Varaha incarnation.
Also
> > can you ple=
ase illustrate the meaning of the form of Vishnu.
> >
> > -I am getting mar=
ried in Oct this year, can u please tell me how
is it
> > going to affect =
my spiritual life. My fiancee's Birth Details-
02 Oct
> > 1980, 13:20, New=
Delhi, India.
> >
> >
> > I do not want to waste too much of your precious=
time but I feel
only
> > you can clear my doubts as there is no one else =
whom I can ask.
> >
> > Thank you
> > Sanjeev
> >
> > --- In vedic-wisdom@y=
ahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
<pvr@>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Namaste=
Sanjeev ji,
> >>
> >> It happens to everybody. People find their path, mak=
e some
progress
> > and then
> >>
> >> You run the d=
rigdasa of Pisces from March 2008 to March 2017.
Taking
> > Cancer
> >> as=
progressed lagna in Pisces dasa, the 9th house will be
strong with
> >> M=
ercury and Sun and the 9th lord Jupiter will be in lagna. The
8th
> > hous=
e
> >> will be prominent with Mars and Ketu, with 8th lords Saturn and
Rah=
u
> >> aspecting them from 2nd. These 4 malefics on the 8th house axis
> > =
strongly
> >>
> >> You are on t=
he verge of a rewarding time spiritually speaking.
Just
> > keep
> >> your=
faith and patience for a few more years and keep doing your
> > sadhana.
>=
>>
> >> The 5th house of devotion has Moon in rasi and vimsamsa. This
sho=
ws
> > devotion
> >> to Krishna. In navamsa, the 12th from atma karaka is e=
mpty and
> > Mercury owns
> >> it. Mercury is in Scorpio with Rahu. This su=
ggests that worship
of Lord
> >> Varaha (Vishnu's boar incarnation) can gi=
ve you fast spiritual
progress.
> >>
> >> Please contact suresh.battar@ (h=
ttp://ashramaustralia.net) and
ask
> >> him where you can get a homa kunda=
m in Australia. Swami Suresh
> > Battar is a
> >> Hindu priest in Canberra.=
In case homa kundas are available
there,
> > he may be
> >> able to direc=
t you. In the worst case, any square or circle
shaped
> > vessel
> >> with=
some depth (made of copper or bronze but not iron) can be
used.
> > Good
=
> >>
> >> Regarding books, there are too many. Bu=
t direct experience
through
> >> meditation is a far better teacher than b=
ooks. Just surrender
to the
> > Lord,
> >> accept wholeheartedly that all =
the diverse objects our senses
> > perceive in
> >> this universe are all d=
ifferent manifestations of the Lord and
that
> > we are
> >> perceiving th=
em differently because of our own impurity. If we
keep
> >> reminding ours=
elves of this whenever our mind is overly
attracted to or
> >> repelled by=
something, that itself is a very useful sadhana. In
> > addition, if
> >> =
you spend a considerable time everyday in meditation, that too
helps.
> >>=
> >> For you, I strongly recommend "Jnaneshwari", a commentary on

> > Bhag=
avadGita by
> >> Jnaneshwar Maharaj. This is a unique commentary by a uniqu=
e
saint,
> > who is
> >> the re-incarnation of a rishi and had a direct dw=
aitic and
adwaitic
> >> experience. There is a difference between writings=
coming from
> > knowledge
> >> acquired by reading books or hearing from o=
thers and writings
coming
> > from
> >> the knowledge acquired in a direct=
experience. More than 700
years ago,
> >> Jnaneshwar Maharaj entered a ca=
ve in Alandi in his physical
body at
> > the age
> >> of 21 years and stil=
l meditating there. I have NOT read a more
> > competent or
> >> sublime co=
mmentary on Krishna's teaching. It is quite an
inspired
> > work. A
> >> g=
ood English translation of this work is available at
> >>
> >>
> > http://w=
ww.amazon.com/Jnaneshwars-Gita-Jnaneshwari-Swami-
Kripananda/dp/0911307648
=
> >>
> >> "Yoga Vaasishtham" is the highest work on Hindu philosophy in my
=
> > opinion.
> >> When Maharshi Viswamitra wanted Lord Ramachandra to come =
with
him to
> > forest,
> >> Rama was in confusion and a little pensive. I=
n the presence of
Maharshi
> >> Viswamitra, King Dasaratha and many other =
learned people,
Maharshi
> > Vasishtha
> >> imparted the essence of all Up=
anishats to Rama. His teachings
were
> > captured
> >> by Valmiki and the =
work is known as "Yoga Vaasishtham". There
is an
> > inspired
> >> English=
translation available at
> >>
> >>
> > http://www.amazon.com/Vasisthas-Yog=
a-
Venkatesananda/dp/0791413640/ref=3Dsr_1_1?
ie=3DUTF8&s=3Dbooks&qid=3D120=
1988303&sr=3D1-1
> >>
> >> Various Puranas and Upanishats make a very usefu=
l reading too.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Narasimha
> >> ----------------=
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--
> >> Do Ganapathi Homam=
Yourself:
> >> Spirituality: http://=
groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
> >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http:/=
> >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://w=
ww.VedicAstrologer.org
> >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.=
SriJagannath.org
> >> -----------------------------------------------------=
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--
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Sanjeev =
Narula" <san_narula@>
> >> To: <vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Sa=
turday, February 02, 2008 12:46 AM
> >> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Need more h=
elp
> >>
> >>
> >> > Namaste Narasimha Ji and all other aspirants.
> >> >
>=
>> > Although this is my first writing in this group but i have
been
> >>=
> reading the threads for almost one year now. And you people
have
> >> >=
helped me a lot to find out the right path at many times but
now i
> >> >=
feel a bit lost again.
> >> >
> >> > As it can be seen from my chart detai=
ls what brought me here(
and to
> >> > spiritual path) like many others. I=
still remember the thread
where
> >> > Narasimha Ji said that there is no=
need to fear of Sani and
now i have
> >> > realised what he meant.
> >> >=
> >> > I have learned a little bit of astrology from this thread and
from=
> >> > other sources but with that i can not really make any
decisions o=
f
> >> > the path i need to follow. As i have seen that there are many
> >>=
> enlightened and intelligent aspirants in this group so if
> >> > someone=
(especially Narasimha Ji)can look at my chart and
guide me i
> >> > will b=
e very thankful. My birth details are given below:
> >> >
> >> > Birth Date=
- 17/03/1979
> >> > Birth Time- 12:45 PM
> >> > Birth Place- Ferozepur(Punj=
ab), India
> >> >
> >> > Another thing is that till now i have been reading=
some
> >> > Scriptures/Spiritual writings from here and there and doing
s=
ome
> >> > meditation and chanting of Mahamantra. I have really seen and
> =
>> > experienced the effect of all this but all this was random and
> >> > =
unplanned. Now i have come to a stage where i feel that my
spiritual
> >> =
> progress has stopped. So first of all i am thinking of
reading more to
>=
>> > get some knowledge but i have no idea what to read and from
where to=
> >> > get the books.

> >> >
> >> > Second thing is i am planning to do Ma=
haganapathi Homam on a
regular
> >> > basis so i have bought all the Mater=
ials Needed except the
homa kundam
> >> > which i could not find as i live=
in Australia so can anyone
tell me
> >> > what else can i use as i can no=
t even dig a pit in the ground.
> >> >
> >> > Although there are so many ot=
her things i want to ask but if
someone
> >> > can help me with only these=
i would be very thankful to him
and i will
> >> > pray to Lord for him.
>=
>> >
> >> > Thanks in advance
> >> > Sanjeev
>
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Namaste,
> What I was wondering is that, if the calculation of yugas as given

> by Sri Yukteshwar is wrong then that means even the Mahamauni Babaji
> blessing the book and meeting him in kumb and again later is also
> wrong. I mean all these people are way way way way ahead of me, but
> even among them Mahamauni is just not another sadhaka or a yogi. He
> is the Babaji. As Lahiri Mahasay mentions in his dairy."budhe babai
> kisun hai".. Lahiri Mahasay used to refer to Babaji as budhe baba.
> And Kisun was Krishna. To think that, THAT supersoul specifically
> blessing a book written by a great yogi actually contains wrong
> calcuation becomes a little difficult to comprehend.
Well, all shastras are clear. Common Hindu understanding is clear. Millions
of Hindus mention the current yuga as Kali yuga before doing any pooja and
religiously keep count of the years that passed in Kali yuga. Moreover, when
I see the happenings in the world and how dharma is deteriorating compared
to even a few hundred years back, I cannot think that anything other than
Kali yuga is running right now. I reject the notion that Kali yuga is only
1200 years and that we are in Dwapara yuga right now.
Even great souls can advance incorrect or partially correct understanding at

times, because there is some purpose.
I reject the teaching of Yukteshwar Maharaj related to yugas and yet retain
respect for him and his lineage.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 4:51 PM
> Dear Mr Narasimha,

>
> Was going through some older posts in this community when I came
> across this mail. This is regarding the metion of Sri Yukteshwar
> Giris calculations of the yugas.
>
> Firstly let me clarify that I personally am no vedic scholar, nor
> can I read sanskrit. So I really have no idea of what or who is
> right. But I had the good fortune of reading the book "The Holy
> Science" where he refers to this calcuation of yugas. Now you must
> have read in th autobiography of a yogi that Sri Lahiri Mahasaya had
> instructed Sri Yukteshwar Giri to go to the Kumb Mela so that he
> could meet the Mahamauni. And later after Sri Yukteshwar Giri
> Maharaj had completed his book, that very day he met the Mahamauni
> who was sitting under a tree with his disciples. Infact the incident
> goes this way that as the Mahamauni had promised Yukteshwar Giri
> that he would meet him once the book get written. So as Sri
> Yukteshwar Giri was passing by in the morning to take a bath
> suddenly he finds the Mahamauni with his disciples under a tree. And
> the first thing that the Mahamauni tells Sri Yukteshwar giri is to
> to bring perfection in his vision by increasing his meditation
> because had he done so he should have been able to see Him(the
> Mahamauni) and his disciple inside the sunlight. Anyway that is
> beside the point.
> I of my own have no knowledge or learning to be able to decide what
> is right and what is not. I just voiced a concern of mine from the
> point of view of an ordinary individual who considers the Mahamauni
> to be one with God himself. If He is can make such a mistake, then
> God is not really that omnipotent I guess.
>
> -Regards
> Rajarshi
>
> <pvr@...> wrote:
>>
>> Namaste,
>>
>> > -When did Lord Ramchandra appear. Some say He appeared few
> thousand
>>
>>
>> > -As most of the people believe these days that the Vedas were
>> > written/revealed 7-8000 yrs ago, if this is true then what was
> the
>> > source of knowledge before that?
>>
>> Vedas are millions of years old. They are arranged in their
> current form by
>> Vyasa about 5,000 years back. But they were revealed to rishis
> millions of
>> years back. Yogis have been meditating on verses from Vedas and
> realizing
>> universal truths represented by them for millions of years.
>>
>> > -Why most of the Darshans are also few thousand years old, wasnt
> there
>> > any philosophy before that?
>>
>> The modern chronology of Hindu scriptures was created by people
> with heavy
>> biases and agendas. Darshanas are not a few thousand of years old.
>>
>> We had Veda(s), vedanta, vedangas, darshanas etc for millions of
> years.
>>
>> > -What is the divison of the ages(yugas). Again there is a lot of
>> > confusion here as some say they are thousands of years long but
> others
>> > say millions of years long. Can you please explain it.
>>
>> Krita/Sat yuga is 1,728,000 years long. Treta yuga is 1,296,000
> years long.
>> Dwapara yuga is 864,000 years long. Current Kali yuga started
> about 5,000
>> years back and it is 432,000 years long.
>>
>> Yukeshwar maharaj (guru of Paramahamsa Yogananda) took a different
> view,
>> where all the above numbers are divided by 360. He is a great yogi
> and
>> belongs to a great lineage and I have the highest respect. But he
> is simply
>> wrong on this. A yogi can experience all times and spaces. In
> fact, time is
>> a very weird concept, even though it seems natural to us when we
> are
>> completely bound to this body in this particular space-time
> continuum. When
>> a yogi enters nirvikalpa samadhi, there is no space and time for
> him/her.
>> The space-time continuum experienced by a yogi in different realms
> of
>> consciousness are different. I submit that Yukteshwar Maharaj made
> some
>> mistake, either intentionally or unintentionally, in drawing
> conclusions
>> from his experiences.
>>
>> Traditionally, we mention the number of years that passed since
> Kali yuga
>> started, at the start of every ritual. The number mentioned (about
> 5,000
>> years) matches with the astronomical dating of Mahabharata. All
> the
>> astronomical combinations mentioned by Vyasa in Mahabharata
> occurred in that
>> sequence in a consistent manner about 5,000 years back. There were
> tens of
>> those eventsand they occurred in that sequence only once in the
> last 7,400
>> years. For sure, Krishna lived about 5,000 years back and Kali
> yuga started
>> then.
>>
>> > -You advised me to worship Lord Varaha (Vishnu's boar
> incarnation).
>> > Can you please explain if this is an allegory/metaphor or a real
> story
>> > and is there any special method to worship Varaha incarnation.
> Also
>> > can you please illustrate the meaning of the form of Vishnu.
>>
>> All the stories of Puranas are metaphors of some internal
> happenings and
>> also real stories at the same time.
>>
>> Each of is a microcosm of the entire universe. Thus, macro events
> described
>> in scriptures happen microcosmically inside us. It is equally
> valid to see
>> them as real stories and as metaphors. When one's self-
> consciousness ascends
>> to a particular realm of consciousness, it is actually possible to
> see one
>> of these stories actually happening. In our normal realm of
> consciousness,
>> these are just stories and we can only understand them
> intellectually.
>>
>> There are Jupiter, his wife Tara, Moon and Mercury externally.
> Internally,
>> they represent the intelligence, the expression of intelligence,
> mind and
>> learning ability (respectively). The story of Jupiter's wife Tara
> begetting
>> a child (Mercury) through Moon is real. It is also a metaphor for
> the fact
>> that internally, mind combines with the expression of intelligence
> to
>> generate learning ability.
>>
>> Regarding Varaha avatara, here is my view. Hiranya means gold and
> also
>> great. Aksha has many meanings, but one of them is "sense organs".
> The demon
>> Hiranyaksha symbolizes the mighty sense organs. He stole Mother
> earth and
>> sunk Her in water. Mother earth is symbolized by Kundalini
>> (self-consciousness, microcosmic representation of the divine
> Mother within
>> each person) who is normally in the Mooladhara chakra (earth
> element). When
>> a sadhaka is caught by the mighty sense organs, Kundalini
>> (self-consciousness) is stuck in the samsara saagara (the ocean of
> material
>> life) and loses balance. Lord Vishnu (sattwa guna in a person)
> takes the
>> form of a boar and comes from the nostril of the creator. He digs
> in and
>> rescues earth from Hiranyaksha. When sattwa guna enters the praana
> (life
>> force - nostril reference) of a person, dives down to Mooladhara
> and
>> destroys the attachment to the mighty sense organs there, the
> Mother is
>> freed and can move up to Merge with the Lord (i.e. self-
> consciousness
>> ascending to merge with Brahman). Basically Varaha avatara
> represents the
>> sattwa guna in a person that tries to give detachment from the
> perceptions
>> of the sense organs and then make the calm praana dives down to
> Mooladhara
>> to give balance to Kundalini to move up.
>>
>> > -I am getting married in Oct this year, can u please tell me how
> is it
>> > going to affect my spiritual life. My fiancee's Birth Details-
> 02 Oct
>> > 1980, 13:20, New Delhi, India.
>>
>> Good luck with your marital life!
>>
>> > Another thing is you mentioned about drigdasa Pisces from March
> 2008
>> > to March 2017 but when I checked in Parashar it shows me it is
> from
>> > March 2007 to March 2016. I am just a novice in astrology so if
> you
>> > can explain me which one is correct.
>>
>> Drigdasa was taught incorrectly by some teachers earlier, based on
> wrongly
>> remembered teachings of tradition. Most softwares (including my
> own
>> Jagannatha Hora software) calculate it incorrectly. My personal
> version of
>> the software (to be released to the public later) calculates it
> based on
>> Parasara's teachings and I believe it to be correct based on my
> study of the
>> charts of several spiritualists. I taught it in the recent two
> issues of
>> "Jyotish Digest" magazine.
>>
>> > Next thing is about meditation, can you please advise me any good
>> > meditation postures or any book where I can learn some.
>>
>> Don't worry about technicalities too much. The most fundamental
> thing is
>> that your back and neck should be erect, straight and not tense at
> the same
>> time. You may sit on floor cross-legged preferably or even sit in
> a chair if
>> you have weak knees. The most important thing is the back and neck
> being
>> erect. Secondly, close the eyes, otherwise a lot of fire is wasted
> in the
>> act of seeing. That agni is better used for other things! Then
> repeat the
>> mantra. If your focus is wandering elsewhere, don't panic and
> worry too
>> much. Just bring back your mind to the mantra. Try your best to
> focus on the
>> mantra. With time, you will succeed.
>>
>> Finally remember - no effort is wasted. Even an effort that seems
> to be not
>> yielding results is actually working towards a final result. If a
> straw of
>> the grass makes the scales tilt, it does not mean all the objects
> placed on
>> the scale previously were unneeded! Just have faith and keep doing
> sadhana.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Narasimha
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Need more help
>>
>>
>> > Hari OM
>> >
>> > Namaste Narasimha Ji
>> >
>> > First of all I would like to thank you for the illustrative and
> quick
>> > reply. I really dont have the words to express my gratitude.
>> >
>> > First of all with Homam Kundam I have ordered it online from an
> Indian
>> > store, I am expecting it in few weeks time after which I will
> start
>> > doing Homam.
>> >
> 2008
> from
> you
>> >
>> > As you mentioned it is correct that I have been a devotee of Shri
>> > Krishna since childhood.
>> >
>> >
>> > Like I said before there are so many other questions which come
> up in
>> > my mind. Although you will find that most of them are silly
> questions
>> > but if you can answer them in brief it will increase my faith in
>> > scriptures and clear my doubts.
>> >
> thousand
>> >
> the
>> >
> there
>> >
> others
>> >
> incarnation).
> story
> Also
>> >
> is it
> 02 Oct
>> > 1980, 13:20, New Delhi, India.
>> >
>> >
>> > I do not want to waste too much of your precious time but I feel
> only
>> > you can clear my doubts as there is no one else whom I can ask.
>> >
>> > Thank you
>> > Sanjeev
>> >
> <pvr@>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It happens to everybody. People find their path, make some
> progress
>> > and then
>> >>
>> >> You run the drigdasa of Pisces from March 2008 to March 2017.
> Taking
>> > Cancer
>> >> as progressed lagna in Pisces dasa, the 9th house will be
> strong with
>> >> Mercury and Sun and the 9th lord Jupiter will be in lagna. The
> 8th
>> > house
>> >> will be prominent with Mars and Ketu, with 8th lords Saturn and
> Rahu
>> >> aspecting them from 2nd. These 4 malefics on the 8th house axis
>> > strongly
>> >>
>> >> You are on the verge of a rewarding time spiritually speaking.
> Just
>> > keep
>> >> your faith and patience for a few more years and keep doing your
>> > sadhana.
>> >>
>> >> The 5th house of devotion has Moon in rasi and vimsamsa. This
> shows
>> > devotion
>> >> to Krishna. In navamsa, the 12th from atma karaka is empty and
>> > Mercury owns
>> >> it. Mercury is in Scorpio with Rahu. This suggests that worship
> of Lord
>> >> Varaha (Vishnu's boar incarnation) can give you fast spiritual
> progress.
>> >>
>> >> Please contact suresh.battar@ (http://ashramaustralia.net) and
> ask
>> >> him where you can get a homa kundam in Australia. Swami Suresh
>> > Battar is a
>> >> Hindu priest in Canberra. In case homa kundas are available
> there,
>> > he may be
>> >> able to direct you. In the worst case, any square or circle
> shaped
>> > vessel
>> >> with some depth (made of copper or bronze but not iron) can be
> used.
>> > Good
>> >>
>> >> Regarding books, there are too many. But direct experience
> through
>> >> meditation is a far better teacher than books. Just surrender
> to the
>> > Lord,
>> >> accept wholeheartedly that all the diverse objects our senses
>> > perceive in
>> >> this universe are all different manifestations of the Lord and
> that
>> > we are
>> >> perceiving them differently because of our own impurity. If we
> keep
>> >> reminding ourselves of this whenever our mind is overly
> attracted to or
>> >> repelled by something, that itself is a very useful sadhana. In
>> > addition, if
>> >> you spend a considerable time everyday in meditation, that too
> helps.
>> >>
>> >> For you, I strongly recommend "Jnaneshwari", a commentary on
>> > BhagavadGita by
>> >> Jnaneshwar Maharaj. This is a unique commentary by a unique
> saint,
>> > who is
>> >> the re-incarnation of a rishi and had a direct dwaitic and
> adwaitic
>> >> experience. There is a difference between writings coming from
>> > knowledge
>> >> acquired by reading books or hearing from others and writings
> coming
>> > from
>> >> the knowledge acquired in a direct experience. More than 700
> years ago,
>> >> Jnaneshwar Maharaj entered a cave in Alandi in his physical
> body at
>> > the age
>> >> of 21 years and still meditating there. I have NOT read a more
>> > competent or
>> >> sublime commentary on Krishna's teaching. It is quite an
> inspired
>> > work. A
>> >> good English translation of this work is available at
>> >>
>> >>
>> > http://www.amazon.com/Jnaneshwars-Gita-Jnaneshwari-Swami-
>> >>
>> >> "Yoga Vaasishtham" is the highest work on Hindu philosophy in my
>> > opinion.
>> >> When Maharshi Viswamitra wanted Lord Ramachandra to come with
> him to
>> > forest,
>> >> Rama was in confusion and a little pensive. In the presence of
> Maharshi
>> >> Viswamitra, King Dasaratha and many other learned people,
> Maharshi
>> > Vasishtha
>> >> imparted the essence of all Upanishats to Rama. His teachings
> were
>> > captured
>> >> by Valmiki and the work is known as "Yoga Vaasishtham". There
> is an
>> > inspired
>> >>
>> >>
>> > http://www.amazon.com/Vasisthas-Yoga-
> Venkatesananda/dp/0791413640/ref=sr_1_1?
> ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201988303&sr=1-1
>> >>
>> >> Various Puranas and Upanishats make a very useful reading too.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Narasimha
>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>> >>
>> >> From: "Sanjeev Narula" <san_narula@>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Although this is my first writing in this group but i have
> been
>> >> > reading the threads for almost one year now. And you people
> have
>> >> > helped me a lot to find out the right path at many times but
> now i
>> >> >
>> >> > As it can be seen from my chart details what brought me here(
> and to
>> >> > spiritual path) like many others. I still remember the thread
> where
>> >> > Narasimha Ji said that there is no need to fear of Sani and
> now i have
>> >> >
>> >> > I have learned a little bit of astrology from this thread and
> from
>> >> > other sources but with that i can not really make any
> decisions of
>> >> > the path i need to follow. As i have seen that there are many
>> >> > enlightened and intelligent aspirants in this group so if
>> >> > someone(especially Narasimha Ji)can look at my chart and
> guide me i
>> >> > will be very thankful. My birth details are given below:
>> >> >
>> >> > Birth Date- 17/03/1979
>> >> > Birth Time- 12:45 PM
>> >> >
>> >> > Another thing is that till now i have been reading some
>> >> > Scriptures/Spiritual writings from here and there and doing
> some
>> >> > meditation and chanting of Mahamantra. I have really seen and
>> >> > experienced the effect of all this but all this was random and
>> >> > unplanned. Now i have come to a stage where i feel that my
> spiritual
>> >> > progress has stopped. So first of all i am thinking of
> reading more to
>> >> > get some knowledge but i have no idea what to read and from
> where to
>> >> >
>> >> > Second thing is i am planning to do Mahaganapathi Homam on a
> regular
>> >> > basis so i have bought all the Materials Needed except the
> homa kundam
>> >> > which i could not find as i live in Australia so can anyone
> tell me
>> >> > what else can i use as i can not even dig a pit in the ground.
>> >> >
>> >> > Although there are so many other things i want to ask but if
> someone
>> >> > can help me with only these i would be very thankful to him
> and i will
>> >> >
>> >> > Sanjeev

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Respected Sir,
Thank you for your reply. I see your point though I do not completely agree to
either of the veiw points or logics.
Yes the interpretation of the shatras are in unison. But then Sri Yukteshwar also
mentions that the post the mahabharata war, the interpretation of the scriptures as
well as the manu smriti was misguided by wrong connotations which resulted in the
error having creeped in.
Actually what is interesting in the theory is the concept of the binray oppostise
for the sun. Generally science at this point does not accept such a view,(neitehr
does it categorically reject the same), its still open to speculation and research.
And astronomy being the kind of science that it is, enough data or sameples cannot
really be gathered for proper testing since the time scales are so vast. The other
debatable issue with Sri Yukteshwars theory is that the precission of the equinoxes
should be around 25,770 years which is in variace with the 24000 years scheme given
by him. But then the equinoxes may not( one of the scientic views) move at fixed
rates or the motion maybe such that over sufficient theoritical distances in space
it averages out to create a 24000 years scheme.
Anyway only future can tell for sure what is correct and what is not. As per his
theory the Kalki Avatar will come when the equinox will reach a certain point in
the leo aquarius axis.
-Regards
Rajarshi
"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...> wrote:

Namaste,

Well, all shastras are clear. Common Hindu understanding is clear. Millions
of Hindus mention the current yuga as Kali yuga before doing any pooja and
religiously keep count of the years that passed in Kali yuga. Moreover, when
I see the happenings in the world and how dharma is deteriorating compared
to even a few hundred years back, I cannot think that anything other than
Kali yuga is running right now. I reject the notion that Kali yuga is only
1200 years and that we are in Dwapara yuga right now.
Even great souls can advance incorrect or partially correct understanding at

times, because there is some purpose.
I reject the teaching of Yukteshwar Maharaj related to yugas and yet retain
respect for him and his lineage.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 4:51 PM
> Dear Mr Narasimha,

>
> Was going through some older posts in this community when I came
> across this mail. This is regarding the metion of Sri Yukteshwar
> Giris calculations of the yugas.
>
> Firstly let me clarify that I personally am no vedic scholar, nor
> can I read sanskrit. So I really have no idea of what or who is
> right. But I had the good fortune of reading the book "The Holy
> Science" where he refers to this calcuation of yugas. Now you must
> have read in th autobiography of a yogi that Sri Lahiri Mahasaya had
> instructed Sri Yukteshwar Giri to go to the Kumb Mela so that he
> could meet the Mahamauni. And later after Sri Yukteshwar Giri
> Maharaj had completed his book, that very day he met the Mahamauni
> who was sitting under a tree with his disciples. Infact the incident
> goes this way that as the Mahamauni had promised Yukteshwar Giri
> that he would meet him once the book get written. So as Sri
> Yukteshwar Giri was passing by in the morning to take a bath
> suddenly he finds the Mahamauni with his disciples under a tree. And
> the first thing that the Mahamauni tells Sri Yukteshwar giri is to
> to bring perfection in his vision by increasing his meditation
> because had he done so he should have been able to see Him(the
> Mahamauni) and his disciple inside the sunlight. Anyway that is
> beside the point.
> I of my own have no knowledge or learning to be able to decide what
> is right and what is not. I just voiced a concern of mine from the
> point of view of an ordinary individual who considers the Mahamauni
> to be one with God himself. If He is can make such a mistake, then
> God is not really that omnipotent I guess.
>
> -Regards
> Rajarshi
>
> <pvr@...> wrote:
>>
>> Namaste,
>>
> thousand
>>
>>
> the
>>
>> Vedas are millions of years old. They are arranged in their
> current form by
>> Vyasa about 5,000 years back. But they were revealed to rishis
> millions of
>> years back. Yogis have been meditating on verses from Vedas and
> realizing
>> universal truths represented by them for millions of years.
>>
> there
>>
>> The modern chronology of Hindu scriptures was created by people
> with heavy
>> biases and agendas. Darshanas are not a few thousand of years old.
>>
>> We had Veda(s), vedanta, vedangas, darshanas etc for millions of
> years.
>>
> others
>>
>> Krita/Sat yuga is 1,728,000 years long. Treta yuga is 1,296,000
> years long.
>> Dwapara yuga is 864,000 years long. Current Kali yuga started
> about 5,000
>> years back and it is 432,000 years long.
>>
>> Yukeshwar maharaj (guru of Paramahamsa Yogananda) took a different
> view,
>> where all the above numbers are divided by 360. He is a great yogi
> and
>> belongs to a great lineage and I have the highest respect. But he
> is simply
>> wrong on this. A yogi can experience all times and spaces. In
> fact, time is
>> a very weird concept, even though it seems natural to us when we
> are
>> completely bound to this body in this particular space-time
> continuum. When
>> a yogi enters nirvikalpa samadhi, there is no space and time for
> him/her.
>> The space-time continuum experienced by a yogi in different realms
> of
>> consciousness are different. I submit that Yukteshwar Maharaj made
> some
>> mistake, either intentionally or unintentionally, in drawing
> conclusions
>> from his experiences.
>>
>> Traditionally, we mention the number of years that passed since
> Kali yuga
>> started, at the start of every ritual. The number mentioned (about
> 5,000
>> years) matches with the astronomical dating of Mahabharata. All
> the
>> astronomical combinations mentioned by Vyasa in Mahabharata
> occurred in that
>> sequence in a consistent manner about 5,000 years back. There were
> tens of
>> those eventsand they occurred in that sequence only once in the
> last 7,400
>> years. For sure, Krishna lived about 5,000 years back and Kali
> yuga started
>> then.
>>
> incarnation).
> story
> Also
>>
>> All the stories of Puranas are metaphors of some internal
> happenings and
>> also real stories at the same time.
>>
>> Each of is a microcosm of the entire universe. Thus, macro events
> described
>> in scriptures happen microcosmically inside us. It is equally
> valid to see
>> them as real stories and as metaphors. When one's self-
> consciousness ascends
>> to a particular realm of consciousness, it is actually possible to
> see one
>> of these stories actually happening. In our normal realm of
> consciousness,
>> these are just stories and we can only understand them
> intellectually.
>>
>> There are Jupiter, his wife Tara, Moon and Mercury externally.
> Internally,
>> they represent the intelligence, the expression of intelligence,
> mind and
>> learning ability (respectively). The story of Jupiter's wife Tara
> begetting
>> a child (Mercury) through Moon is real. It is also a metaphor for
> the fact
>> that internally, mind combines with the expression of intelligence
> to
>> generate learning ability.
>>
>> Regarding Varaha avatara, here is my view. Hiranya means gold and
> also
>> great. Aksha has many meanings, but one of them is "sense organs".
> The demon
>> Hiranyaksha symbolizes the mighty sense organs. He stole Mother
> earth and
>> sunk Her in water. Mother earth is symbolized by Kundalini
>> (self-consciousness, microcosmic representation of the divine
> Mother within
>> each person) who is normally in the Mooladhara chakra (earth
> element). When
>> a sadhaka is caught by the mighty sense organs, Kundalini
>> (self-consciousness) is stuck in the samsara saagara (the ocean of
> material
>> life) and loses balance. Lord Vishnu (sattwa guna in a person)
> takes the
>> form of a boar and comes from the nostril of the creator. He digs
> in and
>> rescues earth from Hiranyaksha. When sattwa guna enters the praana
> (life
>> force - nostril reference) of a person, dives down to Mooladhara
> and
>> destroys the attachment to the mighty sense organs there, the
> Mother is
>> freed and can move up to Merge with the Lord (i.e. self-
> consciousness
>> ascending to merge with Brahman). Basically Varaha avatara
> represents the
>> sattwa guna in a person that tries to give detachment from the
> perceptions
>> of the sense organs and then make the calm praana dives down to
> Mooladhara
>> to give balance to Kundalini to move up.
>>
> is it
> 02 Oct
>> > 1980, 13:20, New Delhi, India.
>>
>> Good luck with your marital life!
>>
> 2008
> from
> you
>>
>> Drigdasa was taught incorrectly by some teachers earlier, based on
> wrongly
>> remembered teachings of tradition. Most softwares (including my
> own
>> Jagannatha Hora software) calculate it incorrectly. My personal
> version of
>> the software (to be released to the public later) calculates it
> based on
>> Parasara's teachings and I believe it to be correct based on my
> study of the
>> charts of several spiritualists. I taught it in the recent two
> issues of
>> "Jyotish Digest" magazine.
>>
>>
>> Don't worry about technicalities too much. The most fundamental
> thing is
>> that your back and neck should be erect, straight and not tense at
> the same
>> time. You may sit on floor cross-legged preferably or even sit in
> a chair if
>> you have weak knees. The most important thing is the back and neck
> being
>> erect. Secondly, close the eyes, otherwise a lot of fire is wasted
> in the
>> act of seeing. That agni is better used for other things! Then
> repeat the
>> mantra. If your focus is wandering elsewhere, don't panic and
> worry too
>> much. Just bring back your mind to the mantra. Try your best to
> focus on the
>> mantra. With time, you will succeed.
>>
>> Finally remember - no effort is wasted. Even an effort that seems
> to be not
>> yielding results is actually working towards a final result. If a
> straw of
>> the grass makes the scales tilt, it does not mean all the objects
> placed on
>> the scale previously were unneeded! Just have faith and keep doing
> sadhana.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Narasimha
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Need more help
>>
>>
>> > Hari OM
>> >
>> > Namaste Narasimha Ji
>> >
>> > First of all I would like to thank you for the illustrative and
> quick
>> > reply. I really dont have the words to express my gratitude.
>> >
>> > First of all with Homam Kundam I have ordered it online from an
> Indian
>> > store, I am expecting it in few weeks time after which I will
> start
>> > doing Homam.
>> >
> 2008
> from
> you
>> >
>> > As you mentioned it is correct that I have been a devotee of Shri
>> > Krishna since childhood.
>> >
>> >
>> > Like I said before there are so many other questions which come
> up in
>> > my mind. Although you will find that most of them are silly
> questions
>> > but if you can answer them in brief it will increase my faith in
>> > scriptures and clear my doubts.
>> >
> thousand
>> >
> the
>> >
> there
>> >
> others
>> >
> incarnation).
> story
> Also
>> >
> is it
> 02 Oct
>> > 1980, 13:20, New Delhi, India.
>> >
>> >
>> > I do not want to waste too much of your precious time but I feel
> only
>> > you can clear my doubts as there is no one else whom I can ask.
>> >
>> > Thank you
>> > Sanjeev
>> >
> <pvr@>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It happens to everybody. People find their path, make some
> progress
>> > and then
>> >>
>> >> You run the drigdasa of Pisces from March 2008 to March 2017.
> Taking
>> > Cancer
>> >> as progressed lagna in Pisces dasa, the 9th house will be
> strong with
>> >> Mercury and Sun and the 9th lord Jupiter will be in lagna. The
> 8th
>> > house
>> >> will be prominent with Mars and Ketu, with 8th lords Saturn and
> Rahu
>> >> aspecting them from 2nd. These 4 malefics on the 8th house axis
>> > strongly
>> >>
>> >> You are on the verge of a rewarding time spiritually speaking.
> Just
>> > keep
>> >> your faith and patience for a few more years and keep doing your
>> > sadhana.
>> >>
>> >> The 5th house of devotion has Moon in rasi and vimsamsa. This
> shows
>> > devotion
>> >> to Krishna. In navamsa, the 12th from atma karaka is empty and
>> > Mercury owns
>> >> it. Mercury is in Scorpio with Rahu. This suggests that worship
> of Lord
>> >> Varaha (Vishnu's boar incarnation) can give you fast spiritual
> progress.
>> >>
>> >> Please contact suresh.battar@ (http://ashramaustralia.net) and
> ask
>> >> him where you can get a homa kundam in Australia. Swami Suresh
>> > Battar is a
>> >> Hindu priest in Canberra. In case homa kundas are available
> there,
>> > he may be
>> >> able to direct you. In the worst case, any square or circle
> shaped
>> > vessel
>> >> with some depth (made of copper or bronze but not iron) can be
> used.
>> > Good
>> >>
>> >> Regarding books, there are too many. But direct experience
> through
>> >> meditation is a far better teacher than books. Just surrender
> to the
>> > Lord,
>> >> accept wholeheartedly that all the diverse objects our senses
>> > perceive in
>> >> this universe are all different manifestations of the Lord and
> that
>> > we are
>> >> perceiving them differently because of our own impurity. If we
> keep
>> >> reminding ourselves of this whenever our mind is overly
> attracted to or
>> >> repelled by something, that itself is a very useful sadhana. In
>> > addition, if
>> >> you spend a considerable time everyday in meditation, that too
> helps.
>> >>
>> >> For you, I strongly recommend "Jnaneshwari", a commentary on
>> > BhagavadGita by
>> >> Jnaneshwar Maharaj. This is a unique commentary by a unique
> saint,
>> > who is
>> >> the re-incarnation of a rishi and had a direct dwaitic and
> adwaitic
>> >> experience. There is a difference between writings coming from
>> > knowledge
>> >> acquired by reading books or hearing from others and writings
> coming
>> > from
>> >> the knowledge acquired in a direct experience. More than 700
> years ago,
>> >> Jnaneshwar Maharaj entered a cave in Alandi in his physical
> body at
>> > the age
>> >> of 21 years and still meditating there. I have NOT read a more
>> > competent or
>> >> sublime commentary on Krishna's teaching. It is quite an
> inspired
>> > work. A
>> >> good English translation of this work is available at
>> >>
>> >>
>> > http://www.amazon.com/Jnaneshwars-Gita-Jnaneshwari-Swami-
>> >>
>> >> "Yoga Vaasishtham" is the highest work on Hindu philosophy in my
>> > opinion.
>> >> When Maharshi Viswamitra wanted Lord Ramachandra to come with
> him to
>> > forest,
>> >> Rama was in confusion and a little pensive. In the presence of
> Maharshi
>> >> Viswamitra, King Dasaratha and many other learned people,
> Maharshi
>> > Vasishtha
>> >> imparted the essence of all Upanishats to Rama. His teachings
> were
>> > captured
>> >> by Valmiki and the work is known as "Yoga Vaasishtham". There
> is an
>> > inspired
>> >>
>> >>
>> > http://www.amazon.com/Vasisthas-Yoga-
> Venkatesananda/dp/0791413640/ref=sr_1_1?
> ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201988303&sr=1-1
>> >>
>> >> Various Puranas and Upanishats make a very useful reading too.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Narasimha
>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------
> --
>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------
> --
>> >>
>> >> From: "Sanjeev Narula" <san_narula@>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Although this is my first writing in this group but i have
> been
>> >> > reading the threads for almost one year now. And you people
> have
>> >> > helped me a lot to find out the right path at many times but
> now i
>> >> >
>> >> > As it can be seen from my chart details what brought me here(
> and to
>> >> > spiritual path) like many others. I still remember the thread
> where
>> >> > Narasimha Ji said that there is no need to fear of Sani and
> now i have
>> >> >
>> >> > I have learned a little bit of astrology from this thread and
> from
>> >> > other sources but with that i can not really make any
> decisions of
>> >> > the path i need to follow. As i have seen that there are many
>> >> > enlightened and intelligent aspirants in this group so if
>> >> > someone(especially Narasimha Ji)can look at my chart and
> guide me i
>> >> > will be very thankful. My birth details are given below:
>> >> >
>> >> > Birth Date- 17/03/1979
>> >> > Birth Time- 12:45 PM
>> >> >
>> >> > Another thing is that till now i have been reading some
>> >> > Scriptures/Spiritual writings from here and there and doing
> some
>> >> > meditation and chanting of Mahamantra. I have really seen and
>> >> > experienced the effect of all this but all this was random and
>> >> > unplanned. Now i have come to a stage where i feel that my
> spiritual
>> >> > progress has stopped. So first of all i am thinking of
> reading more to
>> >> > get some knowledge but i have no idea what to read and from
> where to
>> >> >
>> >> > Second thing is i am planning to do Mahaganapathi Homam on a
> regular
>> >> > basis so i have bought all the Materials Needed except the
> homa kundam
>> >> > which i could not find as i live in Australia so can anyone
> tell me
>> >> > what else can i use as i can not even dig a pit in the ground.
>> >> >
>> >> > Although there are so many other things i want to ask but if
> someone
>> >> > can help me with only these i would be very thankful to him
> and i will
>> >> >
>> >> > Sanjeev
Aditya Hrudayam punyam Sarva satru Vinasanam

Jayavaham Japet Nityam Akshyayyam paramam sivam ||
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<div>Respected Sir,</div> <div> </div> <div>Thank you for your reply. I see your
point though I do not completely agree to either of the veiw points or
logics.</div> <div> </div> <div>Yes the interpretation of the shatras are in
unison. But then Sri Yukteshwar also mentions that the post the mahabharata war,
the interpretation of the scriptures as well as the manu smriti was misguided by
wrong connotations which resulted in the error having creeped in. </div>
<div> </div> <div>Actually what is interesting in the theory is the concept of the
binray oppostise for the sun. Generally science at this point does not accept such
a view,(neitehr does it categorically reject the same), its still open to
speculation and research. And astronomy being the kind of science that it
is, enough data or sameples cannot really be gathered for proper testing since the
time scales are so vast. The other debatable issue with Sri Yukteshwars theory is
that the
precission of the equinoxes should be around 25,770 years which is in variace with
the 24000 years scheme given by him. But then the equinoxes may not( one of the
scientic views) move at fixed rates or the motion maybe such that over sufficient
theoritical distances in space it averages out to create a 24000 years scheme.
</div> <div> </div> <div>Anyway only future can tell for sure what is correct and
what is not. As per his theory the Kalki Avatar will come when the equinox will
reach a certain point in the leo aquarius axis. </div> <div> </div> <div>-
Regards</div> <div> Rajarshi</div> <div> </div> <div><BR><BR><B><I>"Narasimha
P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <DIV
id=ygrp-text> <div>Namaste,<BR><BR>> What I was wondering is that, if the
calculation of yugas as given<BR>> by Sri Yukteshwar is wrong then that means even
the Mahamauni Babaji<BR>> blessing the book and meeting him in kumb and again later
is also<BR>> wrong. I mean all these people are way way way way ahead of me,
but<BR>> even among them Mahamauni is just not another sadhaka or a yogi. He<BR>>
is the Babaji. As Lahiri Mahasay mentions in his dairy."budhe babai<BR>> kisun
hai".. Lahiri Mahasay used to refer to Babaji as budhe baba.<BR>> And Kisun was
Krishna. To think that, THAT supersoul specifically<BR>> blessing a book written by
a great yogi actually contains wrong<BR>> calcuation becomes a little difficult to
comprehend.<BR><BR>Well, all shastras are clear. Common Hindu understanding is
clear. Millions
<BR>of Hindus mention the current yuga as Kali yuga before doing any pooja and
<BR>religiously keep count of the years that passed in Kali yuga. Moreover, when
<BR>I see the happenings in the world and how dharma is deteriorating compared
<BR>to even a few hundred years back, I cannot think that anything other than
<BR>Kali yuga is running right now. I reject the notion that Kali yuga is only
<BR>1200 years and that we are in Dwapara yuga right now.<BR><BR>Even great souls
can advance incorrect or partially correct understanding at <BR>times, because
there is some purpose.<BR><BR>I reject the teaching of Yukteshwar Maharaj related
to yugas and yet retain <BR>respect for him and his lineage.<BR><BR>Best
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<WBR>---------<WBR>-<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "rajarshi14" <<A
href="mailto:rajarshi14%40yahoo.co.in">rajarshi14@yahoo.<WBR>co.in</A>><BR>To: <<A
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wisdom@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com</A>><BR>Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 4:51
PM<BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Need more help<BR><BR>> Dear Mr
Narasimha,<BR>><BR>> Was going through some older posts in this
community when I came<BR>> across this mail. This is regarding the metion of Sri
Yukteshwar<BR>> Giris calculations of the yugas.<BR>><BR>> Firstly let me clarify
that I personally am no vedic scholar, nor<BR>> can I read sanskrit. So I really
have no idea of what or who is<BR>> right. But I had the good fortune of reading
the book "The Holy<BR>> Science" where he refers to this calcuation of yugas. Now
you must<BR>> have read in th autobiography of a yogi that Sri Lahiri Mahasaya
had<BR>> instructed Sri Yukteshwar Giri to go to the Kumb Mela so that he<BR>>
could meet the Mahamauni. And later after Sri Yukteshwar Giri<BR>> Maharaj had
completed his book, that very day he met the Mahamauni<BR>> who was sitting under a
tree with his disciples. Infact the incident<BR>> goes this way that as the
Mahamauni had promised Yukteshwar Giri<BR>> that he would meet him once the book
get written. So as Sri<BR>> Yukteshwar Giri was passing
by in the morning to take a bath<BR>> suddenly he finds the Mahamauni with his
disciples under a tree. And<BR>> the first thing that the Mahamauni tells Sri
Yukteshwar giri is to<BR>> to bring perfection in his vision by increasing his
meditation<BR>> because had he done so he should have been able to see Him(the<BR>>
Mahamauni) and his disciple inside the sunlight. Anyway that is<BR>> beside the
point.<BR>> What I was wondering is that, if the calculation of yugas as given<BR>>
by Sri Yukteshwar is wrong then that means even the Mahamauni Babaji<BR>> blessing
the book and meeting him in kumb and again later is also<BR>> wrong. I mean all
these people are way way way way ahead of me, but<BR>> even among them Mahamauni is
just not another sadhaka or a yogi. He<BR>> is the Babaji. As Lahiri Mahasay
mentions in his dairy."budhe babai<BR>> kisun hai".. Lahiri Mahasay used to refer
to Babaji as budhe baba.<BR>> And Kisun was Krishna. To
think that, THAT supersoul specifically<BR>> blessing a book written by a great
yogi actually contains wrong<BR>> calcuation becomes a little difficult to
comprehend.<BR>> I of my own have no knowledge or learning to be able to decide
what<BR>> is right and what is not. I just voiced a concern of mine from the<BR>>
point of view of an ordinary individual who considers the Mahamauni<BR>> to be one
with God himself. If He is can make such a mistake, then<BR>> God is not really
that omnipotent I guess.<BR>><BR>> -Regards<BR>> Rajarshi<BR>><BR>> --- In <A
wisdom@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com</A>, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"<BR>> <pvr@...>
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> Namaste,<BR>>><BR>>> > -When did Lord Ramchandra appear. Some
say He appeared few<BR>> thousand<BR>>> > years before Lord Krishna, Is that true?
<BR>>><BR>>> Atleast 1.8 million years
back.<BR>>><BR>>> > -As most of the people believe these days that the Vedas
were<BR>>> > written/revealed 7-8000 yrs ago, if this is true then what was<BR>>
the<BR>>> > source of knowledge before that?<BR>>><BR>>> Vedas are millions of
years old. They are arranged in their<BR>> current form by<BR>>> Vyasa about 5,000
years back. But they were revealed to rishis<BR>> millions of<BR>>> years back.
Yogis have been meditating on verses from Vedas and<BR>> realizing<BR>>> universal
truths represented by them for millions of years.<BR>>><BR>>> > -Why most of the
Darshans are also few thousand years old, wasnt<BR>> there<BR>>> > any philosophy
before that?<BR>>><BR>>> The modern chronology of Hindu scriptures was created by
people<BR>> with heavy<BR>>> biases and agendas. Darshanas are not a few thousand
of years old.<BR>>><BR>>> We had Veda(s),
vedanta, vedangas, darshanas etc for millions of<BR>> years.<BR>>><BR>>> > -What
is the divison of the ages(yugas). Again there is a lot of<BR>>> > confusion here
as some say they are thousands of years long but<BR>> others<BR>>> > say millions
of years long. Can you please explain it.<BR>>><BR>>> Krita/Sat yuga is 1,728,000
years long. Treta yuga is 1,296,000<BR>> years long.<BR>>> Dwapara yuga is 864,000
years long. Current Kali yuga started<BR>> about 5,000<BR>>> years back and it is
432,000 years long.<BR>>><BR>>> Yukeshwar maharaj (guru of Paramahamsa Yogananda)
took a different<BR>> view,<BR>>> where all the above numbers are divided by 360.
He is a great yogi<BR>> and<BR>>> belongs to a great lineage and I have the highest
respect. But he<BR>> is simply<BR>>> wrong on this. A yogi can experience all times
and spaces. In<BR>> fact, time is<BR>>> a very
weird concept, even though it seems natural to us when we<BR>> are<BR>>>
completely bound to this body in this particular space-time<BR>> continuum.
When<BR>>> a yogi enters nirvikalpa samadhi, there is no space and time for<BR>>
him/her.<BR>>> The space-time continuum experienced by a yogi in different
realms<BR>> of<BR>>> consciousness are different. I submit that Yukteshwar Maharaj
made<BR>> some<BR>>> mistake, either intentionally or unintentionally, in
drawing<BR>> conclusions<BR>>> from his experiences.<BR>>><BR>>> Traditionally, we
mention the number of years that passed since<BR>> Kali yuga<BR>>> started, at the
start of every ritual. The number mentioned (about<BR>> 5,000<BR>>> years) matches
with the astronomical dating of Mahabharata. All<BR>> the<BR>>> astronomical
combinations mentioned by Vyasa in Mahabharata<BR>> occurred in that<BR>>> sequence
in a
consistent manner about 5,000 years back. There were<BR>> tens of<BR>>> those
eventsand they occurred in that sequence only once in the<BR>> last 7,400<BR>>>
years. For sure, Krishna lived about 5,000 years back and Kali<BR>> yuga
started<BR>>> then.<BR>>><BR>>> > -You advised me to worship Lord Varaha (Vishnu's
boar<BR>> incarnation)<WBR>.<BR>>> > Can you please explain if this is an
allegory/metaphor or a real<BR>> story<BR>>> > and is there any special method to
worship Varaha incarnation.<BR>> Also<BR>>> > can you please illustrate the meaning
of the form of Vishnu.<BR>>><BR>>> All the stories of Puranas are metaphors of some
internal<BR>> happenings and<BR>>> also real stories at the same time.<BR>>><BR>>>
Each of is a microcosm of the entire universe. Thus, macro events<BR>>
described<BR>>> in scriptures happen microcosmically inside us. It is
equally<BR>> valid to see<BR>>> them as real stories and as metaphors. When one's
self-<BR>> consciousness ascends<BR>>> to a particular realm of consciousness, it
is actually possible to<BR>> see one<BR>>> of these stories actually happening. In
our normal realm of<BR>> consciousness,<BR>>> these are just stories and we can
only understand them<BR>> intellectually.<BR>>><BR>>> There are Jupiter, his wife
Tara, Moon and Mercury externally.<BR>> Internally,<BR>>> they represent the
intelligence, the expression of intelligence,<BR>> mind and<BR>>> learning ability
(respectively)<WBR>. The story of Jupiter's wife Tara<BR>> begetting<BR>>> a child
(Mercury) through Moon is real. It is also a metaphor for<BR>> the fact<BR>>> that
internally, mind combines with the expression of intelligence<BR>> to<BR>>>
generate learning ability.<BR>>><BR>>> Regarding Varaha avatara,
here is my view. Hiranya means gold and<BR>> also<BR>>> great. Aksha has many
meanings, but one of them is "sense organs".<BR>> The demon<BR>>> Hiranyaksha
symbolizes the mighty sense organs. He stole Mother<BR>> earth and<BR>>> sunk Her
in water. Mother earth is symbolized by Kundalini<BR>>> (self-consciousness<WBR>,
microcosmic representation of the divine<BR>> Mother within<BR>>> each person) who
is normally in the Mooladhara chakra (earth<BR>> element). When<BR>>> a sadhaka is
caught by the mighty sense organs, Kundalini<BR>>> (self-consciousness<WBR>) is
stuck in the samsara saagara (the ocean of<BR>> material<BR>>> life) and loses
balance. Lord Vishnu (sattwa guna in a person)<BR>> takes the<BR>>> form of a boar
and comes from the nostril of the creator. He digs<BR>> in and<BR>>> rescues earth
from Hiranyaksha. When sattwa guna enters the praana<BR>> (life<BR>>> force -
nostril reference) of a person, dives down to Mooladhara<BR>> and<BR>>> destroys
the attachment to the mighty sense organs there, the<BR>> Mother is<BR>>> freed and
can move up to Merge with the Lord (i.e. self-<BR>> consciousness<BR>>> ascending
to merge with Brahman). Basically Varaha avatara<BR>> represents the<BR>>> sattwa
guna in a person that tries to give detachment from the<BR>> perceptions<BR>>> of
the sense organs and then make the calm praana dives down to<BR>> Mooladhara<BR>>>
to give balance to Kundalini to move up.<BR>>><BR>>> > -I am getting married in Oct
this year, can u please tell me how<BR>> is it<BR>>> > going to affect my spiritual
life. My fiancee's Birth Details-<BR>> 02 Oct<BR>>> > 1980, 13:20, New Delhi,
India.<BR>>><BR>>> Good luck with your marital life!<BR>>><BR>>> > Another thing is
you mentioned about drigdasa Pisces from
March<BR>> 2008<BR>>> > to March 2017 but when I checked in Parashar it shows me
it is<BR>> from<BR>>> > March 2007 to March 2016. I am just a novice in astrology
so if<BR>> you<BR>>> > can explain me which one is correct.<BR>>><BR>>> Drigdasa
was taught incorrectly by some teachers earlier, based on<BR>> wrongly<BR>>>
remembered teachings of tradition. Most softwares (including my<BR>> own<BR>>>
Jagannatha Hora software) calculate it incorrectly. My personal<BR>> version
of<BR>>> the software (to be released to the public later) calculates it<BR>> based
on<BR>>> Parasara's teachings and I believe it to be correct based on my<BR>> study
of the<BR>>> charts of several spiritualists. I taught it in the recent two<BR>>
issues of<BR>>> "Jyotish Digest" magazine.<BR>>><BR>>> > Next thing is about
meditation, can you please advise me any good<BR>>> >
meditation postures or any book where I can learn some.<BR>>><BR>>> Don't worry
about technicalities too much. The most fundamental<BR>> thing is<BR>>> that your
back and neck should be erect, straight and not tense at<BR>> the same<BR>>> time.
You may sit on floor cross-legged preferably or even sit in<BR>> a chair if<BR>>>
you have weak knees. The most important thing is the back and neck<BR>> being<BR>>>
erect. Secondly, close the eyes, otherwise a lot of fire is wasted<BR>> in
the<BR>>> act of seeing. That agni is better used for other things! Then<BR>>
repeat the<BR>>> mantra. If your focus is wandering elsewhere, don't panic and<BR>>
worry too<BR>>> much. Just bring back your mind to the mantra. Try your best
to<BR>> focus on the<BR>>> mantra. With time, you will succeed.<BR>>><BR>>> Finally
remember - no effort is wasted. Even an effort that seems<BR>> to be
not<BR>>> yielding results is actually working towards a final result. If a<BR>>
straw of<BR>>> the grass makes the scales tilt, it does not mean all the
objects<BR>> placed on<BR>>> the scale previously were unneeded! Just have faith
and keep doing<BR>> sadhana.<BR>>><BR>>> Best regards,<BR>>> Narasimha<BR>>>
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<WBR>-<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>> From: "Sanjeev Narula"
<san_narula@<WBR>...><BR>>> To: <<A href="mailto:vedic-wisdom
%40yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com</A>><BR>>> Sent: Sunday,
February 17, 2008 4:22 AM<BR>>> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Need more
help<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> > Hari OM<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Namaste Narasimha Ji<BR>>> ><BR>>>
> First of all I would like to thank you for the illustrative and<BR>> quick<BR>>>
> reply. I really dont have the words to express my gratitude.<BR>>> ><BR>>> >
First of all with Homam Kundam I have ordered it online from an<BR>> Indian<BR>>>
> store, I am expecting it in few weeks time after which I will<BR>> start<BR>>> >
doing Homam.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Another thing is you mentioned about drigdasa Pisces
from March<BR>> 2008<BR>>> > to March 2017 but when I checked in Parashar it shows
me it is<BR>> from<BR>>> > March 2007 to March 2016. I am just a novice in
astrology so if<BR>> you<BR>>> > can explain me which one is correct.<BR>>> ><BR>>>
> As you mentioned it is correct that I have been a devotee of Shri<BR>>> > Krishna
since childhood.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Next thing is about meditation, can you please
advise me any good<BR>>> > meditation postures or any book where I can learn
some.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Like I said before there are so many other questions which
come<BR>> up
in<BR>>> > my mind. Although you will find that most of them are silly<BR>>
questions<BR>>> > but if you can answer them in brief it will increase my faith
in<BR>>> > scriptures and clear my doubts.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > -When did Lord
Ramchandra appear. Some say He appeared few<BR>> thousand<BR>>> > years before Lord
Krishna, Is that true?<BR>>> ><BR>>> > -As most of the people believe these days
that the Vedas were<BR>>> > written/revealed 7-8000 yrs ago, if this is true then
what was<BR>> the<BR>>> > source of knowledge before that?<BR>>> ><BR>>> > -Why
most of the Darshans are also few thousand years old, wasnt<BR>> there<BR>>> > any
philosophy before that?<BR>>> ><BR>>> > -What is the divison of the ages(yugas).
Again there is a lot of<BR>>> > confusion here as some say they are thousands of
years long but<BR>>
others<BR>>> > say millions of years long. Can you please explain it.<BR>>>
><BR>>> > -You advised me to worship Lord Varaha (Vishnu's boar<BR>>
incarnation)<WBR>.<BR>>> > Can you please explain if this is an allegory/metaphor
or a real<BR>> story<BR>>> > and is there any special method to worship Varaha
incarnation.<BR>> Also<BR>>> > can you please illustrate the meaning of the form of
Vishnu.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > -I am getting married in Oct this year, can u please tell
me how<BR>> is it<BR>>> > going to affect my spiritual life. My fiancee's Birth
Details-<BR>> 02 Oct<BR>>> > 1980, 13:20, New Delhi, India.<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> >
I do not want to waste too much of your precious time but I feel<BR>> only<BR>>> >
you can clear my doubts as there is no one else whom I can ask.<BR>>> ><BR>>> >
Thank you<BR>>> >
Sanjeev<BR>>> ><BR>>> > --- In <A href="mailto:vedic-wisdom
%40yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com</A>, "Narasimha P.V.R.
Rao"<BR>> <pvr@><BR>>> > wrote:<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> Namaste Sanjeev ji,<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >> It happens to everybody. People find their path, make some<BR>>
progress<BR>>> > and then<BR>>> >> feel lost again.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> You run the
drigdasa of Pisces from March 2008 to March 2017.<BR>> Taking<BR>>> > Cancer<BR>>>
>> as progressed lagna in Pisces dasa, the 9th house will be<BR>> strong with<BR>>>
>> Mercury and Sun and the 9th lord Jupiter will be in lagna. The<BR>> 8th<BR>>> >
house<BR>>> >> will be prominent with Mars and Ketu, with 8th lords Saturn and<BR>>
Rahu<BR>>> >> aspecting them from 2nd. These 4 malefics on the 8th
house axis<BR>>> > strongly<BR>>> >> suggest powerful mystical experiences.<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >> You are on the verge of a rewarding time spiritually speaking.<BR>>
Just<BR>>> > keep<BR>>> >> your faith and patience for a few more years and keep
doing your<BR>>> > sadhana.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> The 5th house of devotion has Moon in
rasi and vimsamsa. This<BR>> shows<BR>>> > devotion<BR>>> >> to Krishna. In
navamsa, the 12th from atma karaka is empty and<BR>>> > Mercury owns<BR>>> >> it.
Mercury is in Scorpio with Rahu. This suggests that worship<BR>> of Lord<BR>>> >>
Varaha (Vishnu's boar incarnation) can give you fast spiritual<BR>> progress.<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >> Please contact suresh.battar@ (<A
href="http://ashramaustralia.net/">http://ashramaustra<WBR>lia.net</A>) and<BR>>
ask<BR>>>
>> him where you can get a homa kundam in Australia. Swami Suresh<BR>>> > Battar
is a<BR>>> >> Hindu priest in Canberra. In case homa kundas are available<BR>>
there,<BR>>> > he may be<BR>>> >> able to direct you. In the worst case, any square
or circle<BR>> shaped<BR>>> > vessel<BR>>> >> with some depth (made of copper or
bronze but not iron) can be<BR>> used.<BR>>> > Good<BR>>> >> luck for your
homam.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> Regarding books, there are too many. But direct
experience<BR>> through<BR>>> >> meditation is a far better teacher than books.
Just surrender<BR>> to the<BR>>> > Lord,<BR>>> >> accept wholeheartedly that all
the diverse objects our senses<BR>>> > perceive in<BR>>> >> this universe are all
different manifestations of the Lord and<BR>> that<BR>>> > we
are<BR>>> >> perceiving them differently because of our own impurity. If we<BR>>
keep<BR>>> >> reminding ourselves of this whenever our mind is overly<BR>>
attracted to or<BR>>> >> repelled by something, that itself is a very useful
sadhana. In<BR>>> > addition, if<BR>>> >> you spend a considerable time everyday in
meditation, that too<BR>> helps.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> For you, I strongly recommend
"Jnaneshwari"<WBR>, a commentary on<BR>>> > BhagavadGita by<BR>>> >> Jnaneshwar
Maharaj. This is a unique commentary by a unique<BR>> saint,<BR>>> > who is<BR>>>
>> the re-incarnation of a rishi and had a direct dwaitic and<BR>> adwaitic<BR>>>
>> experience. There is a difference between writings coming from<BR>>> >
knowledge<BR>>> >> acquired by reading books or hearing from others and
writings<BR>>
coming<BR>>> > from<BR>>> >> the knowledge acquired in a direct experience. More
than 700<BR>> years ago,<BR>>> >> Jnaneshwar Maharaj entered a cave in Alandi in
his physical<BR>> body at<BR>>> > the age<BR>>> >> of 21 years and still meditating
there. I have NOT read a more<BR>>> > competent or<BR>>> >> sublime commentary on
Krishna's teaching. It is quite an<BR>> inspired<BR>>> > work. A<BR>>> >> good
English translation of this work is available at<BR>>> >><BR>>> >><BR>>> > <A
href="http://www.amazon.com/Jnaneshwars-Gita-Jnaneshwari-Swami-">http://
www.amazon.<WBR>com/Jnaneshwars-<WBR>Gita-Jnaneshwari<WBR>-Swami-</A><BR>>
Kripananda/dp/<WBR>0911307648<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> "Yoga Vaasishtham" is the highest
work on Hindu philosophy in my<BR>>> > opinion.<BR>>> >> When Maharshi Viswamitra
wanted Lord Ramachandra to come with<BR>> him to<BR>>> > forest,<BR>>> >> Rama was
in confusion and a little pensive. In the presence of<BR>> Maharshi<BR>>> >>
Viswamitra, King Dasaratha and many other learned people,<BR>> Maharshi<BR>>> >
Vasishtha<BR>>> >> imparted the essence of all Upanishats to Rama. His
teachings<BR>> were<BR>>> > captured<BR>>> >> by Valmiki and the work is known as
"Yoga Vaasishtham"<WBR>. There<BR>> is an<BR>>> > inspired<BR>>> >> English
translation available at<BR>>> >><BR>>> >><BR>>> > <A
href="http://www.amazon.com/Vasisthas-Yoga-">http://www.amazon.<WBR>com/Vasisthas-
<WBR>Yoga-</A><BR>> Venkatesananda/<WBR>dp/0791413640/<WBR>ref=sr_1_<WBR>1?<BR>>
ie=UTF8&s=books&<WBR>qid=1201988303&<WBR>sr=1-1<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> Various Puranas
and Upanishats make a very useful
reading too.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> Best regards,<BR>>> >> Narasimha<BR>>> >>
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<WBR>-<BR>> --<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>> >> From:
"Sanjeev Narula" <san_narula@<WBR>><BR>>> >> To: <<A href="mailto:vedic-wisdom
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Saturday, February 02, 2008 12:46 AM<BR>>> >> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Need more
help<BR>>> >><BR>>> >><BR>>> >> > Namaste Narasimha Ji and all other
aspirants.<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> > Although this is my first writing in this group
but i have<BR>> been<BR>>> >> > reading the threads for almost one year now. And
you people<BR>> have<BR>>> >> > helped me a lot to find out the right path at many
times but<BR>> now i<BR>>> >> > feel a bit lost again.<BR>>>
>> ><BR>>> >> > As it can be seen from my chart details what brought me here(<BR>>
and to<BR>>> >> > spiritual path) like many others. I still remember the
thread<BR>> where<BR>>> >> > Narasimha Ji said that there is no need to fear of
Sani and<BR>> now i have<BR>>> >> > realised what he meant.<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> > I
have learned a little bit of astrology from this thread and<BR>> from<BR>>> >> >
other sources but with that i can not really make any<BR>> decisions of<BR>>> >> >
the path i need to follow. As i have seen that there are many<BR>>> >> >
enlightened and intelligent aspirants in this group so if<BR>>> >> >
someone(especially Narasimha Ji)can look at my chart and<BR>> guide me i<BR>>> >> >
will be very thankful. My birth details are given below:<BR>>> >>
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Birth Place- Ferozepur(Punjab)<WBR>, India<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> > Another thing is
that till now i have been reading some<BR>>> >> > Scriptures/Spiritua<WBR>l
writings from here and there and doing<BR>> some<BR>>> >> > meditation and chanting
of Mahamantra. I have really seen and<BR>>> >> > experienced the effect of all this
but all this was random and<BR>>> >> > unplanned. Now i have come to a stage where
i feel that my<BR>> spiritual<BR>>> >> > progress has stopped. So first of all i am
thinking of<BR>> reading more to<BR>>> >> > get some knowledge but i have no idea
what to read and from<BR>> where to<BR>>> >> > get the books.<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> >
Second thing is i am
planning to do Mahaganapathi Homam on a<BR>> regular<BR>>> >> > basis so i have
bought all the Materials Needed except the<BR>> homa kundam<BR>>> >> > which i
could not find as i live in Australia so can anyone<BR>> tell me<BR>>> >> > what
else can i use as i can not even dig a pit in the ground.<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> >
Although there are so many other things i want to ask but if<BR>> someone<BR>>> >>
> can help me with only these i would be very thankful to him<BR>> and i will<BR>>>
>> > pray to Lord for him.<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> > Thanks in advance<BR>>> >> >
Sanjeev<BR><BR></div></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR><DIV><EM><STRONG> <div class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN
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Namaste friends,
Today is Akshaya Triteeya - the 3rd tithi (lunar day) in=

the sukla paksha (waxing fortnight) of the lunar month of Vaisakha. This i=
s supposed to be the day when Ganga came to earth. This is the day when Par=
asurama was born. This is the day when Treta yuga started. Today is suppose=
d to be a very auspicious day.
Any prayer or meditation or homam or spiri=

tual practice performed today is supposed to be many times more powerful th=
an on any normal day. Akshaya literally means "imperishable", i.e. in large=
supply. The fruits of spiritual karmas of today will be very large and tha=
t is why the name "akshaya".
In fact, the next 12 days are very auspiciou=

s for spiritual practices. It is believed that some divine energy hovers ab=
ove earth during this time and prayers can yield results faster. The 5th ti=
thi (panchami), which starts tomorrow afternoon and goes into Thursday, is =
known as Rishi Panchami and is a good day.
I am sharing the information s=

o anybody interested may take advantage of Akshaya Triteeya
Best regards=
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Dear Mr.Narsimh=
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On Akshya Trateeya the ATMA-KARAK Sun and MANO-KARAK Moon both are exalt=
ed in Aries and Taurus respectively.So this is one more reason to make this=
Thithi extreme pious.
God bless
Shashie Shekhar
Shashi S.Sharma[Spiritua=
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Panchami
Namaste friends,
Today is Akshaya Triteeya - the 3rd tithi (=

lunar day) in the sukla paksha (waxing fortnight) of the lunar month of Vai=
sakha. This is supposed to be the day when Ganga came to earth. This is the=
day when Parasurama was born. This is the day when Treta yuga started. Tod=
ay is supposed to be a very auspicious day.
Any prayer or meditation or h=

omam or spiritual practice performed today is supposed to be many times mor=
e powerful than on any normal day. Akshaya literally means "imperishable", =
i.e. in large supply. The fruits of spiritual karmas of today will be very =
large and that is why the name "akshaya".
In fact, the next 12 days are v=

ery auspicious for spiritual practices. It is believed that some divine ene=
rgy hovers above earth during this time and prayers can yield results faste=
r. The 5th tithi (panchami), which starts tomorrow afternoon and goes into =
Thursday, is known as Rishi Panchami and is a good day.
I am sharing the =
information so anybody interested may take advantage of Akshaya Triteeya
=
Best regards,Narasimha----------------------------------------------------=
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Namaste Himanshu Mohan ji,
Kavacha means "protective shield". If one recit=

es a specific kavacha regularly, a protective shield of energy that is capa=
ble of preventing certain energy influences is formed around the subtle bod=
y of the person.
Namaste Ramakrishna garu,

Both are fine. Anahata chakra =
in the heart area is the centre of vaayu tattva in one's body. Vaayu (wind)=
is expansive in nature and fills anything it has access to. It can be rest=
ricted to a balloon or fill even a room. Once there is an opening, it gets =
into the area and fills it. The process of creation is also like that. It i=
s expansive by nature and fills every part of Brahman it has access to.
On=
the other hand, ajna chakra is beyond the five elements (mooladhara-visudd=
hi show five elements). It is the source of all elements.
Thus, both chak=

ras are suitable for imagining ishta devata. If you are primarily a dwaita =
siddhanta follower (clear duality), one may suggest imagining the ishta dev=
ata at anahata chakra. All the elements and duality continue to exist and t=
he ishta devata is seen as the master of all creation. If you are primarily=
a visishtadwaita (special non-duality) or awaita (non-duality) follower, o=
ne may suggest imagining ishta devata at ajna chakra. All the elements and =
duality are withdrawn and ishta devata is the only thing that exists in the=
universe. There is nothing else.
Bottomline is that both are acceptable, =

but one is conducive to a dwaitic experience and one is conducive to a visi=
shtadwaitic experience. You pick one based on your samskaras and vasanas.
=
Best regards,
Narasimha
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From: Ramakrishna =
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 9:51 =
PM
Dear PVR =
garu,
Namaste.
Can you also please clarify on where o=
ne should imagine the Ista devata during meditation ?
Some peopl=
e say that it is at the heart but some others say it should be in between t=
he eye brows.
Regards,
Ramakrishna
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4/26/08, m.himanshu <himanshu_mohan@...> wrote:
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Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Issue=
s to be discussed
Date=
: Saturday, April 26, 2008, 1:50 PM
Dear Narasimha,
P=
ranam.
Can we discuss some mantra issues here? For example, I am=

interest in
knowing how Kavachas work as mantras and what resul=
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them; at what stage a particular kavacha is=
recommended for japam in
sadhanas, etc.
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al size=3D2>Both are fine. Anahata chakra in the heart area is
the centre =
of vaayu tattva in one's body. Vaayu (wind) is expansive in nature
and fil=
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cr=
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chakra.
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conducive=
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regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>---------------------------------------=
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lso please clarify on where one should imagine the Ista
devata dur=
ing meditation ?</P>
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<P>Some people say that =
it is at the heart but some others say it should
be in between the=
eye brows.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Regards,</P>
<P>Ra=
makrishna<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 4/26/08, m.himanshu <I><<A
href=
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m">himanshu_mohan@...</A>><BR>Subject:
[vedic-wisdom] I=
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here? For =
example, I am interest in <BR>knowing how Kavachas work as
mantr=
as and what results are expected from <BR>them; at what stage a
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etc=
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Namaste Pramod ji and others,
My best wishes for a pleasant Rishi Panchami=

!
<<<I have few questions in mind which I am not able to find a satisfacto=
ry answers from anyone.
There is saying in Sanskrit "Tena vina truanam api=
na chalati" means " A blade of grass doesn't move without his will". In p=
urusha suktam also it mentions God alone is Prabhu(lord) of bhoot(past) and=
bhavya(future)..
So with these statements in mind can't we conclude that e=
verybody's destiny is fixed by God according to his karmas? Now if my desti=
ny is fixed why should I bother if a particular day is auspicious or not, o=
r the girl will be my perfect match or no.
Can't I just concentrate on my =
Karmas and leave the rest to God? What is the relevance of Jyotish Shastra=
in this point view? Why should I bother about Jyotish at all?
I am convinc=
ed that you are the best person to answer these questions. Please find for =
me some time in your busy schedule to answer this burning question of mine.=
>>>
This is a good question. It is a loaded philosophical question and one=

that many may have. Though I addressed such questions in the past, I sense=
that I may be able to give an inspired answer on this auspicious day. I wi=
ll hence spend a little time trying to put my thoughts into elaborate words=
and cover various aspects related to this question. At the end, I may not =
answer your question fully or satisfactorily, but I will hopefully have pen=
ned some useful thoughts. Hoping you won't mind, I am cc'ing this mail to a=
few yahoogroups related to Jyotisha and spirituality.
This mail is a litt=

le long, as I will cover a few different things and try to put them in pers=
pective.
* * *
Brief Answer
First let me give the brief an=

swer. If you can indeed concentrate on your Karmas (actions) and leave the =
rest to God and if you can accept with an equal vision any results (fruits)=
that your karmas may bring, then you are a liberated soul. Jyotisha shastr=
a is indeed irrelavent to you. But there are very few people who are like t=
hat. For others, it is still relevant.
Now let me give the long-winded ans=

wer.
* * *
Nature of Self
When someone has a dream, one ma=

y experience many objects of various attributes and qualities in the dream.=
Do those objects exist in reality? No. All those objects and various inter=
actions between those objects are unreal - they exist fictionally within th=
e mind. Only the mind exists in reality and no other objects. Still, during=
the course of a dream, the mind is under the illusion that all these objec=
ts exist outside of it. All those objects obey the rules conjured by the mi=
nd that is dreaming.
This whole creation is basically like that. All being=

s are but Brahman. Upanishads and vedanta teach that there is Brahman and n=
othing or nobody else in this universe. There is no "self" and "other". All=
is self. However, a part of Brahman becomes deluded and forms a self-ident=
ity and entertains an illusion that there is an "I" and the "other". This f=
irst being is the supreme being (known by various names such as Sadashiva, =
Narayana, Krishna, Mahaganapathi, Savita etc).
When the supreme being imag=

ines the existence of Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva etc to play various roles in th=
is universe and imagines various beings that make this universe up, all tho=
se beings come into being (just like the objects in someone's dream). Just =
as the objects in a dream obey the rules conjured up by the dreamer in his =
dream, the beings of this universe obey the rules of the game imagined by t=
he supreme being. Each being experiences various other beings and other obj=
ects in this universe because of the spell of delusion that he/she is under=
. When one realizes the delusionary nature of this spell, one can break fre=
e from it.
But a normal person is not aware of all this. One's senses simp=
ly perceive so many different objects and one entertains various notions wi=
th respect to those objects. All these notions become very firmly establish=
ed in one's consciousness after many births and it is difficult to overcome=
those notions. Some objects give pleasure and some give pain, some are fou=
nd attractive and some are repulsive, some are considered good and some bad=
. And so on. The field that is experienced by one, i.e. the field in which =
all these objects of opposite qualities exist, is known as the "field of du=
ality" or "maayaa" (delusion).
* * *
Overcoming the Delusio=

n
Overcoming this delusion and rising above the limited perception of the =
senses and realizing that all the beings that seem to exist are like dream =
objects imagined by the supreme being, i.e. that there is nothing but the s=
upreme being in this universe, is not easy.
Saying "all is Brahman and the=
objects we perceive are all Brahman only" is easy. Even understanding it a=
t an intellectual level may be easy. But a perfect and unshakable understan=
ding of it is not difficult.
Let us see an analogy. Suppose one goes to a =

movie. Some events unfold on the movie screen and they seem to really happe=
n. However, they are not real events. It is just fake and manipulated. The =
characters in the movie are not real. However, some people take the events =
on the screen seriously and react strongly. Good happenings on the screen m=
ake them elated and scary moments on the screen shake them up. There may be=
someone with an intellectual understanding that the movie is not real and =
yet one specific scene that may get him/her. For example, one may shiver wi=
th shock in a scene despite the intellectual understanding that it is not r=
eal. Intellectual understanding does not give full control over instincts.
=
Similarly, one with only an intellectual understanding that all is Brahman=

does not have full control over the mind. The instincts, sense organs and =
various aspects of mind sometimes run like a mad monkey, away from the unde=
rstanding that "all is Brahman". One may feel happy about some things, feel=
sad about some things, become attracted to some things and become repelled=
by some things. A perfect, permanent and unshakable understanding that all=
is Brahman is much more difficult to obtain than a mere intellectual under=
standing.
It requires dismantling the formidable fort of delusion made of =

the walls of mental conditioning formed by the bricks of sense experiences =
that are joined by the cement of logic and analysis. These walls are fortif=
ied over many many lives and make the fort quite formidable.
This is a lon=
g process involving many steps. There are different practices designed to f=
acilitate this in different religious/spiritual paths. There is no foolproo=
f algorithm to ensure this process. There are only guidelines.
All is Brah=
man and all the duality is arising from the Supreme Being. All of one's act=
ions are actually occurring due to the will of Supreme Being only. The resu=
lts/fruits (good or bad) of one's actions may be viewed as the reactions by=
Nature to one's actions and they too are due to the will of Supreme Being.=
Thus, everything that happens is due to the will of Supreme Being. If one =
person remains in ignorance, keeps on taking a rebirth and keeps going thro=
ugh good and terrible experiences, it is all the will of Supreme Being. If =
one says "it is all the will of Supreme Being. I am doing nothing" just for=
the heck of it and yet continues to have an egotism (self-identication wit=
h a body or name or personality or some object), continues various actions =
through that ego and continues to receive their fruits and becomes elated b=
y some and depressed by some, it is all through the will of Supreme Being. =
Though the person is saying "Supreme Being does all", he continues to think=
of an "I" and thinks deeply that "I am doing". That is why Supreme Being w=
ills the persons to receive the appropriate fruits of that action. If anoth=
er person truly understands that Supreme Being knows, wills and does all th=
ings, kills "I" completely at the mental level, then that person may seem t=
o engage in various actions, but he does not really perform any actions. Wh=
en there is no "I", there is action and no reaction. Despite moving in the =
material world and doing various actions, that person's mind is always esta=
blished in bliss. Again, this person has no "I-ness" and hence Supreme Bein=
g wills the person to be in supreme bliss always.
The subtle lesson I am t=

rying to drive at is: As long as there is an "I-ness" to a person, actions =
take place and their reactions happen. "All is Brahman. I do not do anythin=
g" is for one who has killed "I-ness" completely. It is not an excuse to do=
anything and get away. Until one completely kills "I-ness", one has to wat=
ch one's actions to produce good reactions that are conducive to making mor=
e progress.
* * *
Two Types of Knowledge
The teachings of =
maharshis in Veda and allied subjects like Vedangas and Vedanta cover essen=
tially two types of knowledge:
(1) Understanding the rules of engagement o=

f the field of duality (maayaa)
(2) Understanding how the field of duality =
is delusionary and how all is Brahman only
Knowledge of type (2) is essent=

ial because eventually the goal of each being is to overcome the delusionar=
y nature of the field of duality and see Brahman in all. However, the probl=
em with 2 is that this knowledge is only realized and not imparted in a ste=
p-by-step process. One may read reams about how all is Brahman and seemingl=
y different objects of this universe are a delusion and one may even unders=
tand and appreciate it to some extent intellectually. But it is of not much=
use! Until the realization comes from within and experienced, one continue=
s to be deluded by duality. One may know all the theory, but the mind conti=
nues to be deluded and swayed by duality. When somebody praises one, one ma=
y feel elated. When somebody attacks one, one may feel unhappy. When one fi=
nds something nice, one may be attracted. When one finds something disgusti=
ng, one may be repelled. And so on. Please see my previous analogy of a mov=
ie.
While knowledge of type (2) elaborates why the above behavior is silly=
and describes the thinking and approach of a liberated soul, it is very ve=
ry difficult to imbibe such thinking and attitude and become liberated. Eve=
n reading works imparting knowledge of type 2 for a long time does not guar=
antee liberation.
Vedangas such as Jyotisha belong to type (1). When one d=

oes not realize that the field of duality is a delusion and is swayed by th=
e opposites, then one needs tools to navigate the ocean of opposites. Jyoti=
sh is one such tool. When one's mind is deeply stuck in duality and has uns=
urmountable "I-ness" and "other-ness" deeply imprinted on it, "all is Brahm=
an. Parama Purusha knows, wills and does all" is a useless concept. From th=
e perspective of that person, one's "I-ness" does all actions and begets th=
e fruits of those actions based on order set by Parama Purusha. This gives =
happiness and sadness of great proportions. This cycle of actions and fruit=
s may go on forever, until one's "I-ness" is killed completely.
Some spiri=
tual sadhana is necessary to kill the "I-ness". This spiritual sadhana is h=
appening within the field of duality where the mind has a clear "I-ness" an=
d "other-ness". Thus, the rules of engagement in the field duality apply. S=
ubjects like Jyotisha throw light on these rules and they can be helpful. F=
or example, one may start sadhana at a particular time and make swift progr=
ess. One may start sadhana at a particular time and encounter many obstacle=
s and stop the sadhana without much progress. One may find the right sadhan=
a based on previous samskaras and vasanas from the horoscope. One may find =
out that impending material problem (e.g. job loss or loss of a close relat=
ive or a divorce etc) may derail one's sadhana and take some measures to st=
op it and reduce its magnitude. Thus, Jyotisha can be used to manipulate th=
e field of duality to one's advantage, as one wades it trying to kill one's=
"I-ness" and individual will.
* * *
One's Will vs Other's=

Will
When a scripture says that everything that happens is God's will, it=
is essentially referring to the supreme being (Parama Purusha) mentioned e=
arlier as the God. This Being is the first Being arising from non-dual Brah=
man and the one who conjures up the entire duality. Thus, we are at the bor=
der of non-duality and duality.
Deities who operate completely within dual=

ity have their own wills which may clash with each other and clash with our=
will. For example, the will of Yamadharmaraja (yama=3Ddisplicine, dharma =
=3D righteousness, raja =3D ruler) compelled him to kill Markandeya and col=
lided with the will of Markandeyaq who wanted to remain alive and the will =
of Lord Shiva who wanted to save Markendeya. There are many stories where t=
he will of one deity/being clashed with another's.
Of course, all these de=

ities are different forms of the same Brahman (or, loosely speaking, of Par=
ama purusha). The will of Parama Purusha is that one deity's will should co=
mpel the deity to do X and another deity's will should compel that deity to=
do Y and something should happen as a result. Everything is indeed the lee=
laa (play) of the will of Parama Purusha. But we are not at the stage of fa=
thoming the play of Parama Purusha (and his Shakti). All we can say is that=
Parama Purusha's will is a complex thing. It is in fact the sum total of t=
he individual wills of all beings of this universe!
As long as there is "I=

-ness" and individual self-identity left in the mind, there is an individua=
l will. As long as that is the case, one is not liberated. One's individual=
will facilitates various actions that clash with the wills of various othe=
r beings. It causes various probelms. Basically one acting based on "indivi=
dual will" is in tune with only a small subset of "God's will". That person=
is not in tune with the *entire* God's will.
Thus saying "all is God's wi=

ll. I need to do nothing" is not conducive to liberation. It continues bond=
age. Directed effort to kill "I-ness" makes one truly understand that "all =
is God's will" and drop off one's individual will.
Only when "I-ness" is k=

illed and "individual will" is completely evaporated can one be in tune wit=
h the entire "God's will" (as opposed to a small subset). Then alone can on=
e remain in constant bliss, as an unbound observer of the play of this univ=
erse without any individual agenda or will. THAT is liberation. Such a libe=
rated soul may seem to engage in various actions, but the mind is stable, h=
as no "I-ness" or individual will and is established in constant bliss. Lik=
e a fan may continue to turn for a while after the electricity supply is st=
opped, such a liberated soul may continue to engage in actions based on the=
previous flow, but without any egotism (supply of electricity in the analo=
gy).
* * *
I wanted to write a little bit, but ended up w=

riting too much. I will sign off for now. Again, a pleasant Rishi Panchami =
to all of you!
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Fr=
om: Pramod Hombal
To: pvr@...
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008=
1:35 PM
Subject: Namaskara!
Dear PVR Narasimha Rao sir,
I recentl=
y came across your software which was shown to me by my maternal uncle. I a=
m completely ignorant of Jyotish Shastra.
But I am avid reader of spirit=
uality and religion from very early age. I have seen many a places like Ra=
mayana, Mahabharata where God himself has made references to Jyotish for au=
spicious day calculation.
I have few questions in mind which I am not ab=

le to find a satisfactory answers from anyone.
There is saying in Sansk=

rit "Tena vina truanam api na chalati" means " A blade of grass doesn't mo=
ve without his will". In purusha suktam also it mentions God alone is Prabh=
u(lord) of bhoot(past) and bhavya(future)..
So with these statements in =

mind can't we conclude that everybody's destiny is fixed by God according t=
o his karmas? Now if my destiny is fixed why should I bother if a particula=
r day is auspicious or not, or the girl will be my perfect match or no.
=
Can't I just concentrate on my Karmas and leave the rest to God? What is =
the relevance of Jyotish Shastra in this point view? Why should I bother ab=
out Jyotish at all?
I am convinced that you are the best person to answe=

r these questions. Please find for me some time in your busy schedule to an=
swer this burning question of mine.
Thanks.
Best Regards,
Pramod.
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Pramod ji and others,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT=
> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My best wishes for a pleasan=
t Rishi
Panchami!</FONT></DIV>
sp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><<<I have few questions=
in mind which I am
not able to find a satisfactory answers from anyone. <=
BR>There is saying in
Sanskrit "Tena vina truanam api na chalati" me=
ans " A blade of grass
doesn't move without his will". In purusha suktam a=
lso it mentions God alone is
Prabhu(lord) of bhoot(past) and bhavya(future=
)..<BR>So with these statements in
mind can't we conclude that everybody's=
destiny is fixed by God according to his
karmas? Now if my destiny is fix=
ed why should I bother if a particular day is
auspicious or not, or the gi=
rl will be my perfect match or no. <BR>Can't I just
concentrate on my Karm=
as and leave the rest to God? What is the relevance
of Jyotish Shast=
ra in this point view? Why should I bother about Jyotish at
all?<BR>I am c=
onvinced that you are the best person to answer these questions.
Please fi=
nd for me some time in your busy schedule to answer this burning
question =
of mine.>>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&=
nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is a good question. It is=
a loaded
philosophical question and one that many may have. Though I=
addressed such
questions in the past, I sense that I may be able to give =
an inspired answer on
this auspicious day. I will hence spend a little tim=
e trying to put my thoughts
into elaborate words and cover various aspects=
related to this question. At the
end, I may not answer your question full=
y or satisfactorily, but I will
hopefully have penned some useful thoughts=
. Hoping you won't mind, I am cc'ing
this mail to a few yahoogroups relate=
d to Jyotisha and
spirituality.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This mail is a li=
ttle long, as I will cover a few
different things and try to put them in p=
erspective.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DI=
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>*&nbs=
p;
* &nbs=
p; *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Brief Answer</STRONG=
></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>First let me give the brief answer. If you c=
an indeed concentrate on your
Karmas (actions) and leave the rest to God a=
nd if you can accept with an equal
vision any results (fruits) that your k=
armas may bring, then you are a liberated
soul. Jyotisha shastra is indeed=
irrelavent to you. But there are very few
people who are like that. For o=
thers, it is still relevant.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Now let me give t=
he long-winded answer.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
=3D2>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* =
;
*
*</FONT></DIV></FONT>=
</DIV></FONT></DIV>
<D=
IV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Nature of Self</STRONG></FONT></DIV>=

al size=3D2>When someone has a dream, one may experience many
objects of v=
arious attributes and qualities in the dream. Do those objects exist
in re=
ality? No. All those objects and various interactions between those objects=
are unreal - they exist fictionally within the mind. Only the mind exists=
in
reality and no other objects. Still, during the course of a dream, the=
mind is
under the illusion that all these objects exist outside of it. Al=
l those objects
obey the rules conjured by the mind that is dreaming.</FON=
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
ce=3DArial size=3D2>This whole creation is basically like that.
</FONT><FO=
NT face=3DArial size=3D2>All beings are but Brahman. Upanishads and
vedant=
a teach that there is Brahman and nothing or nobody else in this universe. =
There is no "self" and "other". All is self. However, a part of Brahman be=
comes
deluded and forms a self-identity and entertains an illusion that th=
ere is an
"I" and the "other". This first being is the supreme being (know=
n by various
names such as Sadashiva, Narayana, Krishna, Mahaganapathi, Sa=
vita
etc).</FONT></DIV>
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When the supreme being imagines the exi=
stence of
Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva etc to play various roles in this universe=
and imagines
various beings that make this universe up, all those beings =
come into being
(just like the objects in someone's dream). Just as the ob=
jects in a dream obey
the rules conjured up by the dreamer in his dream, t=
he beings of this universe
obey the rules of the game imagined by the supr=
eme being. </FONT><FONT
face=3DArial size=3D2>Each being experiences vario=
us other beings and other objects
in this universe because of the spell of=
delusion that he/she is under. When one
realizes the delusionary nature o=
f this spell, one can break free from
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But =
;a normal person is not aware of all this.
One's senses simply perceive so=
many different objects and one entertains
various notions with respect to=
those objects. All these notions become very
firmly established in one's =
consciousness after many births and it is difficult
to overcome those noti=
ons. Some objects give pleasure and some give pain, some
are found attract=
ive and some are repulsive, some are considered good and some
bad. And so =
on. The field that is experienced by one, i.e. the field in which
all thes=
e objects of opposite qualities exist, is known as the "field of
duality" =
or "maayaa" (delusion).</FONT></DIV>
T> </DIV>
bsp;
* *</FONT></DIV=
>
ial size=3D2><STRONG>Overcoming the
Delusion</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><F=
=3D2>Overcoming this delusion and rising above the
limited perception of t=
he senses and realizing that all the beings that seem to
exist are like dr=
eam objects imagined by the supreme being, i.e. that there is
nothing but =
the supreme being in this universe, is not easy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sa=
ying "all is Brahman and the objects we perceive
are all Brahman only" is =
easy. Even understanding it at an intellectual level
may be easy. But a pe=
rfect and unshakable understanding of it is not
difficult.</FONT></DIV>
<D=
IV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
size=3D2>Let us see an analogy. Suppose one goes to a movie.
Some events u=
nfold on the movie screen and they seem to really happen. However,
they ar=
e not real events. It is just fake and manipulated. The characters in the
=
movie are not real. However, some people take the events on the screen seri=
ously
and react strongly. Good happenings on the screen make them elated a=
nd scary
moments on the screen shake them up. There may be someone with an=
intellectual
understanding that the movie is not real and yet one specifi=
c scene that may get
him/her. For example, one may shiver with shock in a =
scene despite the
intellectual understanding that it is not real. Intellec=
tual understanding does
not give full control over instincts.</FONT></DIV>=

al size=3D2>Similarly, one with only an intellectual
understanding that al=
l is Brahman does not have full control over the mind. The
instincts, sens=
e organs and various aspects of mind sometimes run like a mad
monkey, away=
from the understanding that "all is Brahman". One may feel happy
about so=
me things, feel sad about some things, become attracted to some things
and=
become repelled by some things. A perfect, permanent and unshakable
under=
standing that all is Brahman is much more difficult to obtain than a mere
=
intellectual understanding.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><=
/FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It requires dismantling=
the formidable fort of
delusion made of the walls of mental conditioning =
formed by the bricks of sense
experiences that are joined by the cement of=
logic and analysis. These walls are
fortified over many many lives and ma=
ke the fort quite formidable.</FONT></DIV>
></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is a long proces=
s involving many steps. There
are different practices designed to facilita=
te this in different
religious/spiritual paths. There is no foolproof algo=
rithm to ensure this
process. There are only guidelines.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
ze=3D2>All is Brahman and all the duality is arising from
the Supreme Bein=
g. All of one's actions are actually occurring due to the will
of Supreme =
Being only. The results/fruits (good or bad) of one's actions may be
viewe=
d as the reactions by Nature to one's actions and they too are due to the
=
will of Supreme Being. Thus, everything that happens is due to the will of =
Supreme Being. If one person remains in ignorance, keeps on taking a rebir=

th and
keeps going through good and terrible experiences, it is all the wi=
ll of Supreme
Being. If one says "it is all the will of Supreme Being. I a=
m doing nothing"
just for the heck of it and yet continues to have an
ego=
tism (self-identication with a body or name or personality or some
ob=
ject), continues various actions through that ego and continues to receive =
their fruits and becomes elated by some and depressed by some, it is all t=
hrough
the will of Supreme Being. Though the person is saying "Supreme Bei=
ng does all",
he continues to think of an "I" and thinks deeply that "I am=
doing". That is why
Supreme Being wills the persons to receive the approp=
riate fruits of that
action. If another person truly understands that Supr=
eme Being knows, wills and
does all things, kills "I" completely at the me=
ntal level, then that person may
seem to engage in various actions, but he=
does not really perform any actions.
When there is no "I", there is actio=
n and no reaction. Despite moving in the
material world and doing various =
actions, that person's mind is always
established in bliss. Again, this pe=
rson has no "I-ness" and hence Supreme Being
wills the person to be in sup=
reme bliss always.</FONT></DIV>
sp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The subtle lesson I am trying to=
drive at is: As
long as there is an "I-ness" to a person, actions take pl=
ace and their reactions
happen. "All is Brahman. I do not do anything" is =
for one who has killed
"I-ness" completely. It is not an excuse to do anyt=
hing and get away. Until one
completely kills "I-ness", one has to watch o=
ne's actions to produce good
reactions that are conducive to making more p=
rogress.</FONT></DIV>
=
;
* *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><S=
TRONG>Two Types of
Knowledge</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The teaching=
s of maharshis in Veda and allied
subjects like Vedangas and Vedanta cover=
essentially two types of
knowledge:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(1) Understan=
ding the rules of engagement of the
field of duality (maayaa)</FONT></DIV>=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(2) Understanding how the field of dualit=

y is
delusionary and how all is Brahman only</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Know=
ledge of type (2) is essential because
eventually the goal of each being i=
s to overcome the delusionary nature of the
field of duality and see Brahm=
an in all. However, the problem with 2 is that
this knowledge is only real=
ized and not imparted in a step-by-step process. One
may read reams about =
how all is Brahman and seemingly different objects of this
universe are a =
delusion and one may even understand and appreciate it to
some extent=
intellectually. But it is of not much use! Until the realization
comes fr=
om within and experienced, one continues to be deluded by duality. One
may=
know all the theory, but the mind continues to be deluded and swayed by
d=
uality. When somebody praises one, one may feel elated. When somebody attac=
ks
one, one may feel unhappy. When one finds something nice, one may be at=
tracted.
When one finds something disgusting, one may be repelled. And so =
on. Please see
my previous analogy of a movie.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
e=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Whi=
le knowledge of type (2) elaborates why the
above behavior is silly and de=
scribes the thinking and approach of a liberated
soul, it is very very dif=
ficult to imbibe such thinking and attitude and become
liberated. Even rea=
ding works imparting knowledge of type 2 for a long time does
not guarante=
e liberation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </=
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Vedangas such as Jyotisha belong to t=
ype (1). When
one does not realize that the field of duality is a delusion=
and is swayed by
the opposites, then one needs tools to navigate the ocea=
n of opposites. Jyotish
is one such tool. When one's mind is deeply stuck =
in duality and has
unsurmountable "I-ness" and "other-ness" deeply imprint=
ed on it, "all is
Brahman. Parama Purusha knows, wills and does all" is a =
useless concept. From
the perspective of that person, one's "I-ness" does =
all actions and begets the
fruits of those actions based on order set by P=
arama Purusha. This gives
happiness and sadness of great proportions. This=
cycle of actions and fruits may
go on forever, until one's "I-ness" is ki=
lled completely.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> =
;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Some spiritual sadhana is necessar=
y to kill the
"I-ness". This spiritual sadhana is happening within the fie=
ld of duality where
the mind has a clear "I-ness" and "other-ness". Thus, =
the rules of engagement in
the field duality apply. Subjects like Jyotisha=
throw light on these rules and
they can be helpful. For example, one may =
start sadhana at a particular time and
make swift progress. One may start =
sadhana at a particular time and encounter
many obstacles and stop the sad=
hana without much progress. One may find the
right sadhana based on previo=
us samskaras and vasanas from the horoscope. One
may find out that impendi=
ng material problem (e.g. job loss or loss of a close
relative or a divorc=
e etc) may derail one's sadhana and take some measures to
stop it and redu=
ce its magnitude. Thus, Jyotisha can be used to manipulate the
field of du=
ality to one's advantage, as one wades it trying to kill one's
"I-ness" an=
d individual will.</FONT></DIV>
sp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* &=
nbsp;
* *</FONT></DI=
V>
rial size=3D2><STRONG>One's Will vs Other's
Will</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
ize=3D2>When a scripture says that everything that happens
is God's will, =
it is essentially referring to the supreme being (Parama Purusha)
mentione=
d earlier as the God. This Being is the first Being arising from
non-dual =
Brahman and the one who conjures up the entire duality. Thus, we
are =
at the border of non-duality and duality.</FONT></DIV>
ial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deities w=
ho operate completely within duality have
their own wills which may clash =
with each other and clash with our will. For
example, the will of Yamadhar=
maraja (yama=3Ddisplicine, dharma =3D righteousness,
raja =3D ruler) compe=
lled him to kill Markandeya and collided with the will of
Markandeyaq who =
wanted to remain alive and the will of Lord Shiva who wanted to
save Marke=
ndeya. There are many stories where the will of one deity/being
clashed wi=
th another's.</FONT></DIV>
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Of course, all these deities are diff=
erent forms of
the same Brahman (or, loosely speaking, of Parama puru=
sha). The will of
Parama Purusha is that one deity's will should compel th=
e deity to do X and
another deity's will should compel that deity to do Y =
and something should
happen as a result. Everything is indeed the leelaa (=
play) of the will of Parama
Purusha. But we are not at the stage of fathom=
ing the play of Parama Purusha
(and his Shakti). All we can say is that Pa=
rama Purusha's will is a complex
thing. It is in fact the sum total of the=
individual wills of all beings of this
universe!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
As long as there is "I-ness" and individual
self-identity left in the mind=
, there is an individual will. As long as that is
the case, one is not lib=
erated. One's individual will facilitates various
actions that clash =
with the wills of various other beings. It causes various
probelms. Basica=
lly one acting based on "individual will" is in tune with only a
small sub=
set of "God's will". That person is not in tune with the *entire* God's
wi=
ll.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thus saying "all =
is God's will. I need to do
nothing" is not conducive to liberation. It co=
ntinues bondage. Directed effort
to kill "I-ness" makes one truly understa=
nd that "all is God's will" and drop
off one's individual will.</FONT></DI=
V>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Only when "I-ness" is killed and "individual will=
" is completely evaporated
can one be in tune with the entire "God's will"=
(as opposed to a small subset).
Then alone can one remain in constan=
t bliss, as an unbound observer of the
play of this universe without any i=
ndividual agenda or will. THAT is liberation.
Such a liberated soul may se=
em to engage in various actions, but the mind is
stable, has no "I-ness" o=
r individual will and is established in constant bliss.
Like a fan may con=
tinue to turn for a while after the electricity supply is
stopped, such a =
liberated soul may continue to engage in actions based on the
previous flo=
w, but without any egotism (supply of electricity in the
analogy).</FONT><=
/DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>*
* =
; *</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I wanted to write=
a little bit, but ended up
writing too much. I will sign off for now. Aga=
in, a pleasant Rishi Panchami to
all of you!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>-=
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<DIV
<A title=3Dpramod=
.hombal@... href=3D"mailto:pramod.hombal@...">Pramod
Hombal<=
/A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dpvr@char=
ter.net
href=3D"mailto:pvr@...">pvr@...</A> </DIV>
<DI=
V style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:35
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PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Namaskara!</DIV=
>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></F=
ONT><FONT
face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FON=
T><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>=
<FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><F=
ONT face=3DArial
size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR>=
</DIV>Dear PVR Narasimha Rao
sir,<BR><BR>I recently came across your sof=
tware which was shown to me by my
maternal uncle. I am completely ignora=
nt of Jyotish Shastra. <BR>But I am avid
reader of spirituality and reli=
gion from very early age. I have seen
many a places like Ramayana,=
Mahabharata where God himself has made references
to Jyotish for auspic=
ious day calculation.<BR><BR>I have few questions in mind
which I am not=
able to find a satisfactory answers from anyone. <BR><BR>There
is sayin=
g in Sanskrit "Tena vina truanam api na chalati" means " A blade
o=
f grass doesn't move without his will". In purusha suktam also it mentions =
God alone is Prabhu(lord) of bhoot(past) and bhavya(future)..<BR><BR>So =

with
these statements in mind can't we conclude that everybody's destiny=
is fixed
by God according to his karmas? Now if my destiny is fixed why=
should I bother
if a particular day is auspicious or not, or the girl w=
ill be my perfect match
or no. <BR><BR>Can't I just concentrate on my Ka=
rmas and leave the rest to
God? What is the relevance of Jyotish S=
hastra in this point view? Why
should I bother about Jyotish at all?<BR>=
<BR>I am convinced that you are the
best person to answer these question=
s. Please find for me some time in your
busy schedule to answer this bur=
ning question of
mine.<BR><BR><BR>Thanks.<BR><BR>Best
Regards,<BR>Pramo=
d.</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Friends,
I am at the moment fondly reading life of Swami Vivekananda. As i=

was
going thro' various events, i realized following noteworthy
coincide=
nce.
Thakur's Birth Day: 18

His Birth Year: 1836 =3D 18
Naren's Birth Yea=
r: 1863 =3D 18
Naren met First time Ramkrishna in year: 1881 =3D 18
At the =
time he was 18 Years of Age
Best Regards,
Utpal

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Garu,
How crystal clear your mind, is evident from this priceless writing.=
I am unable to refrain from rightly praising you here. you not only
seem=
s to have assimilated the Idea of Ekmevadwitiya but you must
surely be hav=
ing some innate real experiences.
You are the one which i surely know of, =

who will become a Spiritual
giant in coming years.
Warm Regards,
Utpal
=
<pvr@...> wrot=
e:
>
> Namaste Pramod ji and others,
>
> My best wishes for a pleasant Ris=
hi Panchami!
>
> <<<I have few questions in mind which I am not able to fi=
nd a
satisfactory answers from anyone.
> There is saying in Sanskrit "Ten=
a vina truanam api na chalati"
means " A blade of grass doesn't move with=
out his will". In purusha
suktam also it mentions God alone is Prabhu(lord=
) of bhoot(past) and
bhavya(future)..
> So with these statements in mind c=
an't we conclude that
everybody's destiny is fixed by God according to his=
karmas? Now if
my destiny is fixed why should I bother if a particular da=
y is
auspicious or not, or the girl will be my perfect match or no.
> Can=
't I just concentrate on my Karmas and leave the rest to God?
What is the=
relevance of Jyotish Shastra in this point view? Why
should I bother abou=
t Jyotish at all?
> I am convinced that you are the best person to answer t=
hese
questions. Please find for me some time in your busy schedule to
ans=
wer this burning question of mine.>>>
>
> This is a good question. It is a=
loaded philosophical question and
one that many may have. Though I addres=
sed such questions in the
past, I sense that I may be able to give an insp=
ired answer on this
auspicious day. I will hence spend a little time tryin=
g to put my
thoughts into elaborate words and cover various aspects relate=
d to
this question. At the end, I may not answer your question fully or
s=
atisfactorily, but I will hopefully have penned some useful
thoughts. Hopi=
ng you won't mind, I am cc'ing this mail to a few
yahoogroups related to J=
yotisha and spirituality.
>
> This mail is a little long, as I will cover =
a few different things
and try to put them in perspective.
>
> * *=
*
>
> Brief Answer
>
> First let me give the brief answer. If you=
can indeed concentrate
on your Karmas (actions) and leave the rest to God=
and if you can
accept with an equal vision any results (fruits) that your=
karmas
may bring, then you are a liberated soul. Jyotisha shastra is inde=
ed
irrelavent to you. But there are very few people who are like that.
Fo=
r others, it is still relevant.
>
> Now let me give the long-winded answer=
.
>
> * * *
>
> Nature of Self
>
> When someone has a drea=
m, one may experience many objects of
various attributes and qualities in =
the dream. Do those objects
exist in reality? No. All those objects and va=
rious interactions
between those objects are unreal - they exist fictional=
ly within the
mind. Only the mind exists in reality and no other objects. =
Still,
during the course of a dream, the mind is under the illusion that
=
all these objects exist outside of it. All those objects obey the
rules co=
njured by the mind that is dreaming.
>
> This whole creation is basically =
like that. All beings are but
Brahman. Upanishads and vedanta teach that t=
here is Brahman and
nothing or nobody else in this universe. There is no "=
self"
and "other". All is self. However, a part of Brahman becomes deluded=
and forms a self-identity and entertains an illusion that there is

an "I=
" and the "other". This first being is the supreme being (known
by various=
names such as Sadashiva, Narayana, Krishna,
Mahaganapathi, Savita etc).
>=
> When the supreme being imagines the existence of Brahma, Vishnu,
Shiva=
etc to play various roles in this universe and imagines
various beings th=
at make this universe up, all those beings come
into being (just like the =
objects in someone's dream). Just as the
objects in a dream obey the rules=
conjured up by the dreamer in his
dream, the beings of this universe obey=
the rules of the game
imagined by the supreme being. Each being experienc=
es various other
beings and other objects in this universe because of the =
spell of
delusion that he/she is under. When one realizes the delusionary =
nature of this spell, one can break free from it.

>
> But a normal person=
is not aware of all this. One's senses simply
perceive so many different =
objects and one entertains various
notions with respect to those objects. =
All these notions become very
firmly established in one's consciousness af=
ter many births and it
is difficult to overcome those notions. Some object=
s give pleasure
and some give pain, some are found attractive and some are=
repulsive, some are considered good and some bad. And so on. The
field t=
hat is experienced by one, i.e. the field in which all these
objects of op=
posite qualities exist, is known as the "field of
duality" or "maayaa" (de=
lusion).
>
> * * *
>
> Overcoming the Delusion
>
> Overcom=
ing this delusion and rising above the limited perception
of the senses an=
d realizing that all the beings that seem to exist
are like dream objects =
imagined by the supreme being, i.e. that
there is nothing but the supreme =
being in this universe, is not easy.
>
> Saying "all is Brahman and the ob=
jects we perceive are all Brahman
only" is easy. Even understanding it at =
an intellectual level may be
easy. But a perfect and unshakable understand=
ing of it is not
difficult.
>
> Let us see an analogy. Suppose one goes t=
o a movie. Some events
unfold on the movie screen and they seem to really =
happen. However,
they are not real events. It is just fake and manipulated=
. The
characters in the movie are not real. However, some people take the =
events on the screen seriously and react strongly. Good happenings

on the=
screen make them elated and scary moments on the screen shake
them up. Th=
ere may be someone with an intellectual understanding
that the movie is no=
t real and yet one specific scene that may get
him/her. For example, one m=
ay shiver with shock in a scene despite
the intellectual understanding tha=
t it is not real. Intellectual
understanding does not give full control ov=
er instincts.
>
> Similarly, one with only an intellectual understanding t=
hat all is
Brahman does not have full control over the mind. The instincts=
,
sense organs and various aspects of mind sometimes run like a mad
monke=
y, away from the understanding that "all is Brahman". One may
feel happy a=
bout some things, feel sad about some things, become
attracted to some thi=
ngs and become repelled by some things. A
perfect, permanent and unshakabl=
e understanding that all is Brahman
is much more difficult to obtain than =
a mere intellectual
understanding.
>
> It requires dismantling the formid=
able fort of delusion made of
the walls of mental conditioning formed by t=
he bricks of sense
experiences that are joined by the cement of logic and =
analysis.
These walls are fortified over many many lives and make the fort=
quite formidable.
>
> This is a long process involving many steps. There=
are different
practices designed to facilitate this in different
religio=
us/spiritual paths. There is no foolproof algorithm to ensure
this process=
. There are only guidelines.
>
> All is Brahman and all the duality is ari=
sing from the Supreme
Being. All of one's actions are actually occurring d=
ue to the will
of Supreme Being only. The results/fruits (good or bad) of =
one's
actions may be viewed as the reactions by Nature to one's actions
a=
nd they too are due to the will of Supreme Being. Thus, everything
that ha=
ppens is due to the will of Supreme Being. If one person
remains in ignora=
nce, keeps on taking a rebirth and keeps going
through good and terrible e=
xperiences, it is all the will of Supreme
Being. If one says "it is all th=
e will of Supreme Being. I am doing
nothing" just for the heck of it and y=
et continues to have an
egotism (self-identication with a body or name or =
personality or
some object), continues various actions through that ego an=
d
continues to receive their fruits and becomes elated by some and
depres=
sed by some, it is all through the will of Supreme Being.
Though the perso=
n is saying "Supreme Being does all", he continues
to think of an "I" and =
thinks deeply that "I am doing". That is why
Supreme Being wills the perso=
ns to receive the appropriate fruits of
that action. If another person tru=
ly understands that Supreme Being
knows, wills and does all things, kills =
"I" completely at the mental
level, then that person may seem to engage in=
various actions, but
he does not really perform any actions. When there i=
s no "I", there
is action and no reaction. Despite moving in the material =
world and
doing various actions, that person's mind is always established =
in
bliss. Again, this person has no "I-ness" and hence Supreme Being
will=
s the person to be in supreme bliss always.
>
> The subtle lesson I am try=
ing to drive at is: As long as there is
an "I-ness" to a person, actions t=
ake place and their reactions
happen. "All is Brahman. I do not do anythin=
g" is for one who has
killed "I-ness" completely. It is not an excuse to d=
o anything and
get away. Until one completely kills "I-ness", one has to w=
atch
one's actions to produce good reactions that are conducive to making =
more progress.
>
> * * *
>
> Two Types of Knowledge
>
> T=
he teachings of maharshis in Veda and allied subjects like
Vedangas and Ve=
danta cover essentially two types of knowledge:
>
> (1) Understanding the =
rules of engagement of the field of duality
(maayaa)
> (2) Understanding h=
ow the field of duality is delusionary and how
all is Brahman only
>
> Kn=
owledge of type (2) is essential because eventually the goal of
each being=
is to overcome the delusionary nature of the field of
duality and see Bra=
hman in all. However, the problem with 2 is that
this knowledge is only re=
alized and not imparted in a step-by-step
process. One may read reams abou=
t how all is Brahman and seemingly
different objects of this universe are =
a delusion and one may even
understand and appreciate it to some extent in=
tellectually. But it
is of not much use! Until the realization comes from =
within and
experienced, one continues to be deluded by duality. One may kn=
ow
all the theory, but the mind continues to be deluded and swayed by
dua=
lity. When somebody praises one, one may feel elated. When
somebody attack=
s one, one may feel unhappy. When one finds something
nice, one may be att=
racted. When one finds something disgusting, one
may be repelled. And so o=
n. Please see my previous analogy of a
movie.
>
> While knowledge of type=
(2) elaborates why the above behavior is
silly and describes the thinking=
and approach of a liberated soul,
it is very very difficult to imbibe suc=
h thinking and attitude and
become liberated. Even reading works imparting=
knowledge of type 2
for a long time does not guarantee liberation.
>
> V=
edangas such as Jyotisha belong to type (1). When one does not
realize tha=
t the field of duality is a delusion and is swayed by the
opposites, then =
one needs tools to navigate the ocean of opposites.
Jyotish is one such to=
ol. When one's mind is deeply stuck in duality
and has unsurmountable "I-n=
ess" and "other-ness" deeply imprinted on
it, "all is Brahman. Parama Puru=
sha knows, wills and does all" is a
useless concept. From the perspective =
of that person, one's "I-ness"
does all actions and begets the fruits of t=
hose actions based on
order set by Parama Purusha. This gives happiness an=
d sadness of
great proportions. This cycle of actions and fruits may go on=
forever, until one's "I-ness" is killed completely.

>
> Some spiritual s=
adhana is necessary to kill the "I-ness". This
spiritual sadhana is happen=
ing within the field of duality where the
mind has a clear "I-ness" and "o=
ther-ness". Thus, the rules of
engagement in the field duality apply. Subj=
ects like Jyotisha throw
light on these rules and they can be helpful. For=
example, one may
start sadhana at a particular time and make swift progre=
ss. One may
start sadhana at a particular time and encounter many obstacle=
s and
stop the sadhana without much progress. One may find the right
sadh=
ana based on previous samskaras and vasanas from the horoscope.
One may fi=
nd out that impending material problem (e.g. job loss or
loss of a close r=
elative or a divorce etc) may derail one's sadhana
and take some measures =
to stop it and reduce its magnitude. Thus,
Jyotisha can be used to manipul=
ate the field of duality to one's
advantage, as one wades it trying to kil=
l one's "I-ness" and
individual will.
>
> * * *
>
> One's=
Will vs Other's Will
>
> When a scripture says that everything that happe=
ns is God's will,
it is essentially referring to the supreme being (Parama=
Purusha)
mentioned earlier as the God. This Being is the first Being aris=
ing
from non-dual Brahman and the one who conjures up the entire
duality.=
Thus, we are at the border of non-duality and duality.
>
> Deities who op=
erate completely within duality have their own wills
which may clash with =
each other and clash with our will. For
example, the will of Yamadharmaraj=
a (yama=3Ddisplicine, dharma =3D
righteousness, raja =3D ruler) compelled =
him to kill Markandeya and
collided with the will of Markandeyaq who wante=
d to remain alive and
the will of Lord Shiva who wanted to save Markendeya=
. There are many
stories where the will of one deity/being clashed with an=
other's.
>
> Of course, all these deities are different forms of the same =
Brahman (or, loosely speaking, of Parama purusha). The will of

Parama Pur=
usha is that one deity's will should compel the deity to
do X and another =
deity's will should compel that deity to do Y and
something should happen =
as a result. Everything is indeed the leelaa
(play) of the will of Parama =
Purusha. But we are not at the stage of
fathoming the play of Parama Purus=
ha (and his Shakti). All we can
say is that Parama Purusha's will is a com=
plex thing. It is in fact
the sum total of the individual wills of all bei=
ngs of this universe!
>
> As long as there is "I-ness" and individual self=
-identity left in
the mind, there is an individual will. As long as that i=
s the case,
one is not liberated. One's individual will facilitates variou=
s
actions that clash with the wills of various other beings. It causes
va=
rious probelms. Basically one acting based on "individual will" is
in tune=
with only a small subset of "God's will". That person is not
in tune with=
the *entire* God's will.
>
> Thus saying "all is God's will. I need to do=
nothing" is not
conducive to liberation. It continues bondage. Directed e=
ffort to
kill "I-ness" makes one truly understand that "all is God's will"=
and drop off one's individual will.

>
> Only when "I-ness" is killed and=
"individual will" is completely
evaporated can one be in tune with the en=
tire "God's will" (as
opposed to a small subset). Then alone can one remai=
n in constant
bliss, as an unbound observer of the play of this universe w=
ithout
any individual agenda or will. THAT is liberation. Such a liberated=
soul may seem to engage in various actions, but the mind is stable,
has =
no "I-ness" or individual will and is established in constant
bliss. Like =
a fan may continue to turn for a while after the
electricity supply is sto=
pped, such a liberated soul may continue to
engage in actions based on the=
previous flow, but without any
egotism (supply of electricity in the anal=
ogy).
>
> * * *
>
> I wanted to write a little bit, but e=
nded up writing too much. I
will sign off for now. Again, a pleasant Rishi=
Panchami to all of
you!
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> ----------------=
--------------------------------------------------
> Do Ganapathi Homam You=
rself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
> Spirituality: http://groups.y=
ahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
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=
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> =
> From: Pramod Hombal
> To: pvr@...
> =
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:35 PM
> Subject: Namaskara!
>
>
> =
Dear PVR Narasimha Rao sir,
>
> I recently came across your software wh=
ich was shown to me by my
maternal uncle. I am completely ignorant of Jyot=
ish Shastra.
> But I am avid reader of spirituality and religion from ve=
ry
early age. I have seen many a places like Ramayana, Mahabharata
where=
God himself has made references to Jyotish for auspicious day
calculation=
.
>
> I have few questions in mind which I am not able to find a
satisf=
actory answers from anyone.
>
> There is saying in Sanskrit "Tena vina =
truanam api na chalati"
means " A blade of grass doesn't move without his=
will". In purusha
suktam also it mentions God alone is Prabhu(lord) of bh=
oot(past) and
bhavya(future)..
>
> So with these statements in mind can=
't we conclude that
everybody's destiny is fixed by God according to his k=
armas? Now if
my destiny is fixed why should I bother if a particular day =
is
auspicious or not, or the girl will be my perfect match or no.
>
> =
Can't I just concentrate on my Karmas and leave the rest to
God? What is =
the relevance of Jyotish Shastra in this point view?
Why should I bother a=
bout Jyotish at all?
>
> I am convinced that you are the best person to =
answer these
questions. Please find for me some time in your busy schedule=
to
answer this burning question of mine.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best Re=
gards,
> Pramod.
>

2008 05:27:53 -0000
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 05:27:52 -0000
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Thanks Dear Narasimha,

Pranam.
Best regards,
Himanshu Mohan
--- In vedic-=
wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...>
wrote:
>
> Namast=
e Himanshu Mohan ji,
>
> Kavacha means "protective shield". If one recites=
a specific
kavacha regularly, a protective shield of energy that is capab=
le of
preventing certain energy influences is formed around the subtle bod=
y
of the person.
>
> Namaste Ramakrishna garu,
>
> Both are fine. Anahat=
a chakra in the heart area is the centre of
vaayu tattva in one's body. Va=
ayu (wind) is expansive in nature and
fills anything it has access to. It =
can be restricted to a balloon or
fill even a room. Once there is an openi=
ng, it gets into the area and
fills it. The process of creation is also li=
ke that. It is expansive
by nature and fills every part of Brahman it has =
access to.
>
> On the other hand, ajna chakra is beyond the five elements =
(mooladhara-visuddhi show five elements). It is the source of all

element=
s.
>
> Thus, both chakras are suitable for imagining ishta devata. If you=
are primarily a dwaita siddhanta follower (clear duality), one may

sugge=
st imagining the ishta devata at anahata chakra. All the
elements and dual=
ity continue to exist and the ishta devata is seen
as the master of all cr=
eation. If you are primarily a visishtadwaita
(special non-duality) or awa=
ita (non-duality) follower, one may
suggest imagining ishta devata at ajna=
chakra. All the elements and
duality are withdrawn and ishta devata is th=
e only thing that exists
in the universe. There is nothing else.
>
> Bott=
omline is that both are acceptable, but one is conducive to a
dwaitic expe=
rience and one is conducive to a visishtadwaitic
experience. You pick one =
based on your samskaras and vasanas.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> -----=
-------------------------------------------------------------
> Do Ganapath=
i Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
> Spirituality: http=
://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http:/=
> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.=
VedicAstrologer.org
> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJag=
annath.org
> --------------------------------------------------------------=
----
>
> From: Ramakrishna
> To: ve=
dic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 9:51 PM
> =
>
>
> Dear PVR=
garu,
>
>
>
> Namaste.
>
>
>
> Can you also please c=
larify on where one should imagine the
Ista devata during meditation ?
>
=
>
>
> Some people say that it is at the heart but some others say=
it should be in between the eye brows.

>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> =
Ramakrishna
>
> --- On Sat, 4/26/08, m.himanshu <himanshu_m=
ohan@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: m.himanshu <himanshu_mohan@...>
> =
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Issues to be discussed
> To: ve=
> Date: Saturday, April 26, 2008, 1:50=
PM
>
>
> Dear Narasimha,
> Pranam.
>
> Ca=
n we discuss some mantra issues here? For example, I am
interest in
> =
knowing how Kavachas work as mantras and what results are
expected =
from
> them; at what stage a particular kavacha is recommended
=
for japam in
> sadhanas, etc.
>
> Thanks & best regar=
ds,
> Himanshu Mohan
>

May 2008 06:43:02 -0000
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Dear Narasimha,
Pranam.
I agree fully with your viewpoint. Still I feel th=

e need to further
endorse it adding my 2 cents...
"The purity & bliss wit=

hin must be realised and maintained like a
lotus lives in the water, immer=
sed but not wet."
Best regards,
Himanshu Mohan
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoog=
roups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...>
wrote:
>
> Namaste Sir,
>
> =
> > i will say if the person is spiritual ...go and do tapasya in
> > > Him=
alay..why sitting in pleasure world and earning money and
> > > enjoying al=
l world pleasures.
>
> Sitting in pleasure world and earning money is NOT=
synonymous
to "enjoying all world pleasures". One may be sitting in pleas=
ure
world, earning money and engaging externally in various activities,
b=
ut the mind may be established in peace and bliss.
>
> A realized person =
is NOT identified by the actions he/she engages
in. Just as an electric fa=
n continues to turn for a few minutes even
after the electricity is turned=
off, a realized person who is still
in a body continues to engage in acti=
ons based on the previous flow.
After King Janaka realized Self, he contin=
ued as the king of Mithila
and did all royal duties. After Krishna made Ar=
juna realize Self,
Arjuna fought a war and killed his gurus, brothers, gra=
ndfather etc.
>
> One who has not yet realized Self will distinguish betw=
een various
objects of this dual world and view some as good and some as b=
ad.
He/she will try to stay away from so-called bad actions. On the other =
hand, a realized person sees all people, objects and actions of this
univ=
erse as the same Self and sees no reason to either be attracted
to or repe=
lled from anything. His/her actions and inactions are thus
not based on th=
e principles of attraction and repulsion. They are
based on the previous f=
low.
>
> Renouncing wife, children, job, money etc is an attempt to find =
true mental renunciation. Renouncing external objects can promote

mental =
renunciation, but not guarantee it. On the other hand, one can
remain in t=
he midst of the material world and all the external
objects and yet have a=
perfectly stable, peaceful and blissful mind
that is not attracted to or =
repelled from any of the objects one is
surrounded by. For all you know, a=
big film star like Rajinikanth,
who makes millions of dollars per movie, =
surrounded by glamour, money
and adulation, may be more detached at the me=
ntal level than many
yogis in Himalayas. It is probably true in the case o=
f Rajinikanth.
>
> When one stays away from objects that may attract one,=
it is
relatively easy to overcome attraction temporarily. Whether one can=
retain that renunciation when one comes in contact with the objects
agai=
n or not is a questionmark. On the other hand, to be in contact
with the o=
bjects that may attract one and yet maintain mental
detachment and mental =
renunciation is tougher. It is the true test.
>
> It is not out of place =
to mention a small story.
>
> Trilinga Swami lived for about 300 years an=
d did unbelievable
austerities in Kashi. When Ramakrishna Paramahamsa met =
him in Kashi,
he remarked to his sishyas that Trilinga Swami was Shiva Him=
self and
a fully realized being. Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was not =
with
him on that pilgrimage and he made a point to force Narendranath to
=
go to Kashi later to have a darshan of Trilinga Swami!
>
> Lahiri Mahasha=
ya was the guru of Yukteshwar Maharaj, who was the
guru of Paramahamsa Yog=
ananda. Lahiri Mahashaya was a householder and
had a high-paying job. Yet =
he realized Self. Trilnga Swami spoke
little, but he once spoke a few word=
s in Lahiri Mahashaya's praise.
He said, "The state of mind I achieved by =
renouncing everything,
Lahiri achieved it while being a householder, being=
in the middle of
everything. I bow to him."
>
> * * *
>=
> > > in my view, being a senior astrologer doesnt make one to
certify =
any
> > > persons doings as good and spiritual.
>
> Nobody can "certify" =
anybody. However, those who know some
astrology can give their views on ch=
arts that are shared and
discussed publicly. If some people see those view=
s as
a "certificates", it is their perception.
>
> * * *=
>
> Self-realization can be consistently defined. However, spirituality =
is tough to define. It will mean different things to different people.

> =
> The goal of all spiritual journeys is to realize Self, at some time
or =
the other. However, most spiritual journeys of this age do NOT end
in Self=
-realization.
>
> It is limited ego that binds one to a limited existence=
like a body
and stops one from realizing the all-pervading true Self. Whi=
le a
self-realized person's ego is completely killed, it is possible to
m=
ake partial progress. There are many people, who overcome ego to
various e=
xtents and realize to various degrees that body is temporary
and it is not=
the true self. One can do so by following many
spiritual paths, like the =
path of knowledge, the path of devotion,
the path of pranayama, the path o=
f hatha yoga, the path of work and
service etc. One who overcomes ego to s=
ome extent, using any path, is
making some spiritual progress. When the eg=
o is completely subdued,
one realizes the true Self. This realization is t=
he same irrespective
of the path followed. However, intermediate steps loo=
k and feel
different based on the path.
>
> Enough of my 2 cents for ton=
ight...
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> ---------------------------------=
---------------------------------
> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www=
.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
> Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ve=
dic-wisdom
> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net=

> Sri Ja=
gannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
> ---------------=
---------------------------------------------------
>
> > > Dear Prasha=
nt ji,
> > >
> > > in my view, being a senior astrologer doesnt make one to=
certify any
> > > persons doings as good and spiritual.
> > >
> > > There=
are many factors which one over looks,
> > >
> > > and in true sense ....w=
hat is the real spiritualism.
> > >
> > > i will say if the person is spiri=
tual ...go and do tapasya in
> > > Himalay..why sitting in pleasure world a=
nd earning money and
> > > enjoying all world pleasures.
> > >
> > > Regard=
s,
> > >
> > > Tarun
>
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Dear PVRji
I have started learning Jyothish by following the Audio recordi=
ngs of
yours posted on the web-site of SJC and by reading the books - BPH=
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and the one writtne by your goodself.
Since I have some doubts regardi=

ng the charts I am looking into (both
the example charts and the charts re=
lated to me and my kin), I was
wondering if this is the right forum to rai=
se those doubts for seeking
clarifictaions.
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you can let me know the right place to
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A Review of "Radical Unive=

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message =
that Sanatana Dharma must be understood and practiced only in
its original =
form if it is to survive and thrive as the world's most
important and relev=
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All human beings have a common religious urge=97a=

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humanity. Religion should, in its real import, be a quest for eternal
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I read the biography of Ganapathi Muni, an extraordinary saint=
, and a
staunch devotee of Lord Ganesh. I think you must have heard about =
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gems "Who Am I" and "Be As you are" books by ramana ashram.
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wrote:
>
> Came across this incident regarding Bha=
gwan Sri Ramana Maharishi
and
> Ganapati Muni. Anyone who has ever tried =
even a minutest fraction
of
> sadhana not to gain a better happy life but=
to get that one small
> fraction of an inch closer to God will know the m=
illions of
troubles
> and frustation that come in the path. It was on one=
such moment
when
> I came across this writing and felt humbled. Ganapati=
Muni was
known
> as a siddha who had done terrific, i repeat terrific am=
ount of
> penances, even before he met Sri Ramana Maharishi. If such a man=
> could be troubled by doubts and frustation, what to speak of us

> ordi=
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> Also the =
followinf conversation shows how a real understanding of
> the shastra is =
possible ONLY for a man who is that spiritually
> elevated. Like Lahiri Ma=
hasaya used to say to his disciples, only a
> true yogi will understand th=
e spriptures. Others will only get a
> incomplete surface view of things. =
And based on our incomplete
> inefficient understand of shatras we keep fi=
ghting with others
> claiming our path our tradition our understading is t=
he only true
> one.
>
> "Ganapati Muni had met the yet-to-be-called Sri R=
amana on the
> southern slopes of Arunachala. One day he was assailed by p=
ains,
> troubles, doubts. He remembered that the young Swami was on the
>=
hill, and at midday, a little after noon, he climbed and found him
> sitt=
ing outside Virupaksha cave, alone. He prostrated and
said, "All
> the sc=
riptures that have to be read, I have read. All the mantras
> and japa tha=
t have to be done, I have done. Still I have no peace.
> Please save me." =
The young Swami took a little time. For at least
> fifteen minutes he sile=
ntly gazed at him. Then in Tamil, he spoke.
> The English translation is s=
imple:
>
> "If one watches whence the notion 'I' arises, the mind is absor=
bed
> in That; that is tapas. When you recite a mantra, watch where the
>=
sound is coming from, within you; when you sing a song or prayer,
> watch=
where it is emanating from: your Heart. Put your attention on
> That. Tha=
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> All his doubts and delusions =
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Dear Kumar,
Yes "I am that" is a wonderful book. Wwonderful. I bought it some months back and
it is so beautiful. I have read "Who am I", and I still keep reading it whenever I
can. Its feels so purifying just to read these books..
I wonder what amount of terrific good karma those people must have done who were
lucky to have been born near these supersouls and recognized the divinity in them.
They are truely blessed. I wish someone could have told me how many mantras japas
or what sadhanas or karmas need to be done so that I can have the good fortune of
being born close to one of these people in some lifetime.
-Regards
Rajarshi
kumar_gh_2000 <kumar_gh_2000@...> wrote:

Rajashri Ji,
I read the biography of Ganapathi Muni, an extraordinary saint, and a
staunch devotee of Lord Ganesh. I think you must have heard about two
gems "Who Am I" and "Be As you are" books by ramana ashram.
If you want to know more about this "I-ness", there is an

extraordinary book called "I am That" by nisargadatta maharaj. Please
read it.
Thanks and Regards,
Kumar Ghanta
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14@...>

wrote:
>
> Came across this incident regarding Bhagwan Sri Ramana Maharishi
and
> Ganapati Muni. Anyone who has ever tried even a minutest fraction
of
> sadhana not to gain a better happy life but to get that one small
> fraction of an inch closer to God will know the millions of
troubles
> and frustation that come in the path. It was on one such moment
when
> I came across this writing and felt humbled. Ganapati Muni was
known
> as a siddha who had done terrific, i repeat terrific amount of
> penances, even before he met Sri Ramana Maharishi. If such a man
> could be troubled by doubts and frustation, what to speak of us
> ordinary men whos minds are overcrowded with multiple weaknessess.
> Also the followinf conversation shows how a real understanding of
> the shastra is possible ONLY for a man who is that spiritually
> elevated. Like Lahiri Mahasaya used to say to his disciples, only a
> true yogi will understand the spriptures. Others will only get a
> incomplete surface view of things. And based on our incomplete
> inefficient understand of shatras we keep fighting with others
> claiming our path our tradition our understading is the only true
> one.
>
> "Ganapati Muni had met the yet-to-be-called Sri Ramana on the
> southern slopes of Arunachala. One day he was assailed by pains,
> troubles, doubts. He remembered that the young Swami was on the
> hill, and at midday, a little after noon, he climbed and found him
> sitting outside Virupaksha cave, alone. He prostrated and
said, "All
> the scriptures that have to be read, I have read. All the mantras
> and japa that have to be done, I have done. Still I have no peace.
> Please save me." The young Swami took a little time. For at least
> fifteen minutes he silently gazed at him. Then in Tamil, he spoke.
> The English translation is simple:
>
> "If one watches whence the notion 'I' arises, the mind is absorbed
> in That; that is tapas. When you recite a mantra, watch where the
> sound is coming from, within you; when you sing a song or prayer,
> watch where it is emanating from: your Heart. Put your attention on
> That. That is tyaga, that is TAPASYA, that is all."
> All his doubts and delusions were washed away that day. "
>
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<div>Dear Kumar,</div> <div> </div> <div>Yes "I am that" is a wonderful book.

Wwonderful. I bought it some months back and it is so beautiful. I have read "Who
am I", and I still keep reading it whenever I can. Its feels so purifying just to
read these books..</div> <div> </div> <div>I wonder what amount of terrific good
karma those people must have done who were lucky to have been born near these
supersouls and recognized the divinity in them. They are truely blessed. I wish
someone could have told me how many mantras japas or what sadhanas or karmas need
to be done so that I can have the good fortune of being born close to one of these
people in some lifetime.</div> <div> </div> <div>-Regards</div>
<div> Rajarshi<BR><BR><B><I>kumar_gh_2000 <kumar_gh_2000@...></I></B> wrote:</div>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
#1010ff 2px solid"> <DIV id=ygrp-text> <div>Rajashri Ji,<BR>I read the biography
of Ganapathi Muni, an extraordinary saint, and a <BR>staunch devotee of Lord
Ganesh. I think you must have heard about two <BR>gems "Who Am I" and "Be As you
are" books by ramana ashram.<BR><BR>If you want to know more about this "I-ness",
there is an <BR>extraordinary book called "I am That" by nisargadatta maharaj.
Please <BR>read it. <BR>Thanks and Regards,<BR>Kumar Ghanta<BR><BR><BR>--- In <A
wisdom@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com</A>, "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14@<WBR>...>
<BR>wrote:<BR>><BR>> Came across this incident regarding Bhagwan Sri Ramana
Maharishi <BR>and <BR>> Ganapati Muni. Anyone who has ever
tried even a minutest fraction <BR>of <BR>> sadhana not to gain a better happy
life but to get that one small <BR>> fraction of an inch closer to God will know
the millions of <BR>troubles <BR>> and frustation that come in the path. It was on
one such moment <BR>when <BR>> I came across this writing and felt humbled.
Ganapati Muni was <BR>known <BR>> as a siddha who had done terrific, i repeat
terrific amount of <BR>> penances, even before he met Sri Ramana Maharishi. If such
a man <BR>> could be troubled by doubts and frustation, what to speak of us <BR>>
ordinary men whos minds are overcrowded with multiple weaknessess. <BR>> Also the
followinf conversation shows how a real understanding of <BR>> the shastra is
possible ONLY for a man who is that spiritually <BR>> elevated. Like Lahiri
Mahasaya used to say to his disciples, only a <BR>> true yogi will understand the
spriptures. Others will only get a <BR>> incomplete surface view of
things. And based on our incomplete <BR>> inefficient understand of shatras we
keep fighting with others <BR>> claiming our path our tradition our understading is
the only true <BR>> one.<BR>> <BR>> "Ganapati Muni had met the yet-to-be-called Sri
Ramana on the <BR>> southern slopes of Arunachala. One day he was assailed by
pains, <BR>> troubles, doubts. He remembered that the young Swami was on the <BR>>
hill, and at midday, a little after noon, he climbed and found him <BR>> sitting
outside Virupaksha cave, alone. He prostrated and <BR>said, "All <BR>> the
scriptures that have to be read, I have read. All the mantras <BR>> and japa that
have to be done, I have done. Still I have no peace. <BR>> Please save me." The
young Swami took a little time. For at least <BR>> fifteen minutes he silently
gazed at him. Then in Tamil, he spoke. <BR>> The English translation is
simple:<BR>> <BR>> "If one watches whence the notion 'I'
arises, the mind is absorbed <BR>> in That; that is tapas. When you recite a
mantra, watch where the <BR>> sound is coming from, within you; when you sing a
song or prayer, <BR>> watch where it is emanating from: your Heart. Put your
attention on <BR>> That. That is tyaga, that is TAPASYA, that is all." <BR>> All
his doubts and delusions were washed away that day. "<BR>><BR><BR></div></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR><DIV><EM><STRONG> <DIV
Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">"This above all: to thine own self be true!" -
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Namaste to all
Nowadays i m reading yoga vasishtha transalated by

swami ve=
nkateshananda (1 book edition) but i wanted to ask the members
that i m no=
t understanding it properly even after reading it again and
again
is this =
normal or i should read something before this to improve my
understanding
=
Before this i have read Autobiography of yogi by Sh. paramhansa
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one thing can somebody help me to understand what is the meaning

of "infi=
nite consciousnesss" , this term has been used repetitively
regards
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Dear Jitendra
Good question. Honestly speaking, "infinite conscinousness" is for all practical

purposes what we call God. I don't think there is anyone here among us who can
really make you or anyone else understand because undestanding is a faculty of the
mind and "inflinte consciousness" is way beyond the mind. Only the greatest of men
realize it in their heart of hearts. If we could understand and realize that, we
would probbably not be here in this forum today. So its quite normal.
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Namaste to all
Nowadays i m reading yoga vasishtha transalated by

swami venkateshananda (1 book edition) but i wanted to ask the members
that i m not understanding it properly even after reading it again and
again
is this normal or i should read something before this to improve my
understanding
Before this i have read Autobiography of yogi by Sh. paramhansa
yogananda
one thing can somebody help me to understand what is the meaning

of "infinite consciousnesss" , this term has been used repetitively
regards
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<div>Dear Jitendra</div> <div> </div> <div>Good question. Honestly speaking,

"infinite conscinousness" is for all practical purposes what we call God. I don't
think there is anyone here among us who can really make you or anyone else
understand because undestanding is a faculty of the mind and "inflinte
consciousness" is way beyond the mind. Only the greatest of men realize it in their
heart of hearts. If we could understand and realize that, we would probbably not
be here in this forum today. So its quite normal.</div> <div> </div> <div>-
Regards</div> <div> Rajarshi<BR><BR><B><I>dahiyajiten <dahiyajiten@...></I></B>
wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
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all<BR><BR>Nowadays i m reading yoga vasishtha transalated by<BR>swami
venkateshananda (1 book edition) but i wanted to ask the members <BR>that i m not
understanding it properly even after reading it again and <BR>again<BR>is this
normal or i should read something before this to improve my
<BR>understanding<BR>Before this i have read Autobiography of yogi by Sh.
paramhansa <BR>yogananda<BR><BR>one thing can somebody help me to understand what
is the meaning <BR>of "infinite consciousnesss" , this term has been used
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Thankyou Sir for that help
jitender
--- In vedic-wisdom@...=
m, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Jitendra
>
> Good=
question. Honestly speaking, "infinite conscinousness" is
for all practic=
al purposes what we call God. I don't think there is
anyone here among us =
who can really make you or anyone else
understand because undestanding is =
a faculty of the mind
and "inflinte consciousness" is way beyond the mind.=
Only the
greatest of men realize it in their heart of hearts. If we coul=
d
understand and realize that, we would probbably not be here in this
for=
um today. So its quite normal.
>
> -Regards
> Rajarshi
>
> dahiya=
jiten <dahiyajiten@...> wrote:
> Namaste to all
>
> Nowadays i m=
reading yoga vasishtha transalated by
> swami venkateshananda (1 book edit=
ion) but i wanted to ask the
members
> that i m not understanding it prop=
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> again
> is this normal or i should=
read something before this to improve
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> understanding
> Before this i=
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> yogananda
>
> one th=
ing can somebody help me to understand what is the meaning
> of "infinite =
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>
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Hi Jitender,
In the past I have read Yoga Vasishtha (by Swami Venkatesanan=
da) but
wasnt able to sustain and complete.
Not sure which version you are =
reading but there is abridged and full
version. I started with the Full, bu=
t may be the abridged may have
worked better - atleast because of the size.=
I still feel it is among the greatest spiritual works based on

dialogue b=
etween Lord Rama and Sage Vasishta. Making a habit of
reading some sections=
daily is a great way to keep yourself in the
company of great knowledge.
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Keep it up.
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> Namaste to all
>
> Nowadays i m reading yoga=
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> swami venkateshananda (1 book edition) but i wa=
nted to ask the members
> that i m not understanding it properly even afte=
r reading it again and
> again
> is this normal or i should read something=
before this to improve my
> understanding
> Before this i have read Autob=
iography of yogi by Sh. paramhansa
> yogananda
>
> one thing can somebody=
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 06:37:24 -0000
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Subject: Re: Ramana Maharishis and Ganapati Muni
y=KGyJQaWV0xmNTv8Z_aGMpTMMbgC7rAkIOs_1rDbgAOousiI_urxaog
Dear Rajarshiji,
Thank you very much for the response. Sometimes I feel I m=
issed the
golden era(1800- early 1900). It was the time many saints were b=
orn.
Sri Shirdi Saibaba, Sri Swami Samarth(Akkalkot maharaj), Sri Ramana
=
Maharshi, Sri Tajuddin baba, Sri Bhagavan Nityananda, Nisargadatta
Maharaj=
, Ramakrishna parmahansa, Trilinga swami, Lahiri baba,
Yukteswara Maharaj,=
Pakalapati guruji and many other saints were
born in that golden era. I t=
oo accept that the presence of the
saints just near to us is highly benifi=
cial than anything. However
still many people near to those saints didn't =
use those great saints
help. Sri Shirdi Saibaba himself told that everybod=
y was coming to
him for material wealth and nobody was asking spiritual we=
alth. In
my opinion, if we pray sincerely, even now also those saints will=
respond to us. In my observation, devotion with other kinds of

meditatio=
n gives excellent results. Combination of strong conviction
on guru or god=
, meditation on beingness(I like pranayama, vipasana,
and zen too), chanti=
ng of the powerful Gayatri Mantra or any other
mantras we are connected gi=
ves highly benificial results. Finally it
leads us to sarwasya saranagati =
and complete detachment. As human
mind needs variety, we can increase our =
sadhana time by trying all
these different approaches.
Inde=
ed this is also great time. As technology advanced
very well with internet=
and computers, now we can have a great
awareness on many spiritual topics=
. We can read and analyze about
various kinds of spiritual practises and c=
hoose which one fits best
to our temper irrespective of religion.
=
However as sri Sivananda swami told as ounce of
practise is bette=
r than tons of theory. Let us practise, practise,
practise until being on=
e with oneness.
=
Thanks and Regards
Kumar Ghant=
a
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, raja=

rshi nandy <rajarshi14@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Kumar,
>
> Yes "I am tha=
t" is a wonderful book. Wwonderful. I bought it
some months back and it is=
so beautiful. I have read "Who am I", and
I still keep reading it wheneve=
r I can. Its feels so purifying just
to read these books..
>
> I won=
der what amount of terrific good karma those people must
have done who wer=
e lucky to have been born near these supersouls and
recognized the divinit=
y in them. They are truely blessed. I wish
someone could have told me how =
many mantras japas or what sadhanas
or karmas need to be done so that I c=
an have the good fortune of
being born close to one of these people in som=
e lifetime.
>
> -Regards
> Rajarshi
>
> kumar_gh_2000 <kumar_gh_2=
000@...> wrote:
> Rajashri Ji,
> I read the biography of Ganapath=
i Muni, an extraordinary saint,
and a
> staunch devotee of Lord Ganesh. I=
think you must have heard about
two
> gems "Who Am I" and "Be As you are=
" books by ramana ashram.
>
> If you want to know more about this "I-ness"=
, there is an
> extraordinary book called "I am That" by nisargadatta maha=
raj.
Please
> read it.
> Kumar Ghanta
>
>
> --- =
In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14@>
> wrote:
> >
>=
> Came across this incident regarding Bhagwan Sri Ramana Maharishi
> and =
> > Ganapati Muni. Anyone who has ever tried even a minutest
fraction
> =
of
> > sadhana not to gain a better happy life but to get that one
small =
> > fraction of an inch closer to God will know the millions of
> trouble=
s
> > and frustation that come in the path. It was on one such moment
> w=
hen
> > I came across this writing and felt humbled. Ganapati Muni was
> =
known
> > as a siddha who had done terrific, i repeat terrific amount of
=
> > penances, even before he met Sri Ramana Maharishi. If such a man
> > c=
ould be troubled by doubts and frustation, what to speak of us
> > ordinar=
y men whos minds are overcrowded with multiple
weaknessess.
> > Also the =
followinf conversation shows how a real understanding
of
> > the shastra =
is possible ONLY for a man who is that spiritually
> > elevated. Like Lahi=
ri Mahasaya used to say to his disciples,
only a
> > true yogi will under=
stand the spriptures. Others will only get a
> > incomplete surface view o=
f things. And based on our incomplete
> > inefficient understand of shatra=
s we keep fighting with others
> > claiming our path our tradition our und=
erstading is the only
true
> > one.
> >
> > "Ganapati Muni had met the y=
et-to-be-called Sri Ramana on the
> > southern slopes of Arunachala. One d=
ay he was assailed by pains,
> > troubles, doubts. He remembered that the =
young Swami was on the
> > hill, and at midday, a little after noon, he cl=
imbed and found
him
> > sitting outside Virupaksha cave, alone. He prostr=
ated and
> said, "All
> > the scriptures that have to be read, I have rea=
d. All the
mantras
> > and japa that have to be done, I have done. Still =
I have no
peace.
> > Please save me." The young Swami took a little time.=
For at
least
> > fifteen minutes he silently gazed at him. Then in Tamil=
, he
spoke.
> > The English translation is simple:
> >
> > "If one watch=
es whence the notion 'I' arises, the mind is
absorbed
> > in That; that i=
s tapas. When you recite a mantra, watch where
the
> > sound is coming fr=
om, within you; when you sing a song or
prayer,
> > watch where it is ema=
nating from: your Heart. Put your attention
on
> > That. That is tyaga, t=
hat is TAPASYA, that is all."
> > All his doubts and delusions were washed=
away that day. "
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Thi=
s above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet
>
>
>
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Dear Kumar,
Very good mail. I completely agree to it. 100 percent. One ounce of practise is
far far far better. You have hit the nail on the head. Very correct..
I personally feel a terrific devotion for Ramakrishna Paramhamsa and Lahiri

Mahasaya.. not that the other saints any less..(it is foolish for us to compare
them).. but Ramakrishna Paramhamsa i find to be just amazing.. specially if u read
that book by Sri Saradananda where a lot of details is mentioned about thakur's
sadhana days.. its mind boggling..
and Lahiri Mahasays.. what a man.. what a yogi.. being a houselholder goign to
these heights.. oh my god.. its just too much..!
-Regards
Rajarshi

Dear Rajarshiji,
Thank you very much for the response. Sometimes I feel I missed the
golden era(1800- early 1900). It was the time many saints were born.
Sri Shirdi Saibaba, Sri Swami Samarth(Akkalkot maharaj), Sri Ramana
Maharshi, Sri Tajuddin baba, Sri Bhagavan Nityananda, Nisargadatta
Maharaj, Ramakrishna parmahansa, Trilinga swami, Lahiri baba,
Yukteswara Maharaj, Pakalapati guruji and many other saints were
born in that golden era. I too accept that the presence of the
saints just near to us is highly benificial than anything. However
still many people near to those saints didn't use those great saints
help. Sri Shirdi Saibaba himself told that everybody was coming to
him for material wealth and nobody was asking spiritual wealth. In
my opinion, if we pray sincerely, even now also those saints will
respond to us. In my observation, devotion with other kinds of
meditation gives excellent results. Combination of strong conviction
on guru or god, meditation on beingness(I like pranayama, vipasana,
and zen too), chanting of the powerful Gayatri Mantra or any other
mantras we are connected gives highly benificial results. Finally it
leads us to sarwasya saranagati and complete detachment. As human
mind needs variety, we can increase our sadhana time by trying all
these different approaches.
Indeed this is also great time. As technology advanced
very well with internet and computers, now we can have a great
awareness on many spiritual topics. We can read and analyze about
various kinds of spiritual practises and choose which one fits best
to our temper irrespective of religion.
However as sri Sivananda swami told as ounce of

practise is better than tons of theory. Let us practise, practise,
practise until being one with oneness.
Thanks and Regards

Kumar Ghanta
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@...>

wrote:
>
> Dear Kumar,
>
> Yes "I am that" is a wonderful book. Wwonderful. I bought it
some months back and it is so beautiful. I have read "Who am I", and
I still keep reading it whenever I can. Its feels so purifying just
to read these books..
>
> I wonder what amount of terrific good karma those people must
have done who were lucky to have been born near these supersouls and
recognized the divinity in them. They are truely blessed. I wish
someone could have told me how many mantras japas or what sadhanas
or karmas need to be done so that I can have the good fortune of
being born close to one of these people in some lifetime.
>
> -Regards
> Rajarshi
>
> kumar_gh_2000 <kumar_gh_2000@...> wrote:
> Rajashri Ji,
> I read the biography of Ganapathi Muni, an extraordinary saint,
and a
> staunch devotee of Lord Ganesh. I think you must have heard about
two
> gems "Who Am I" and "Be As you are" books by ramana ashram.
>
> If you want to know more about this "I-ness", there is an
> extraordinary book called "I am That" by nisargadatta maharaj.
Please
> read it.
> Kumar Ghanta
>
>
> --- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Came across this incident regarding Bhagwan Sri Ramana Maharishi
> and
> > Ganapati Muni. Anyone who has ever tried even a minutest
fraction
> of
> > sadhana not to gain a better happy life but to get that one
small
> > fraction of an inch closer to God will know the millions of
> troubles
> > and frustation that come in the path. It was on one such moment
> when
> > I came across this writing and felt humbled. Ganapati Muni was
> known
> > as a siddha who had done terrific, i repeat terrific amount of
> > penances, even before he met Sri Ramana Maharishi. If such a man
> > could be troubled by doubts and frustation, what to speak of us
> > ordinary men whos minds are overcrowded with multiple
weaknessess.
> > Also the followinf conversation shows how a real understanding
of
> > the shastra is possible ONLY for a man who is that spiritually
> > elevated. Like Lahiri Mahasaya used to say to his disciples,
only a
> > true yogi will understand the spriptures. Others will only get a
> > incomplete surface view of things. And based on our incomplete
> > inefficient understand of shatras we keep fighting with others
> > claiming our path our tradition our understading is the only
true
> > one.
> >
> > "Ganapati Muni had met the yet-to-be-called Sri Ramana on the
> > southern slopes of Arunachala. One day he was assailed by pains,
> > troubles, doubts. He remembered that the young Swami was on the
> > hill, and at midday, a little after noon, he climbed and found
him
> > sitting outside Virupaksha cave, alone. He prostrated and
> said, "All
> > the scriptures that have to be read, I have read. All the
mantras
> > and japa that have to be done, I have done. Still I have no
peace.
> > Please save me." The young Swami took a little time. For at
least
> > fifteen minutes he silently gazed at him. Then in Tamil, he
spoke.
> > The English translation is simple:
> >
> > "If one watches whence the notion 'I' arises, the mind is
absorbed
> > in That; that is tapas. When you recite a mantra, watch where
the
> > sound is coming from, within you; when you sing a song or
prayer,
> > watch where it is emanating from: your Heart. Put your attention
on
> > That. That is tyaga, that is TAPASYA, that is all."
> > All his doubts and delusions were washed away that day. "
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet
>
>
>
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<div>Dear Kumar,</div> <div> </div> <div>Very good mail. I completely agree to

it. 100 percent. One ounce of practise is far far far better. You have hit the nail
on the head. Very correct..</div> <div> </div> <div>I personally feel a terrific
devotion for Ramakrishna Paramhamsa and Lahiri Mahasaya.. not that the other saints
any less..(it is foolish for us to compare them).. but Ramakrishna Paramhamsa i
find to be just amazing.. specially if u read that book by Sri Saradananda where a
lot of details is mentioned about thakur's sadhana days.. its mind boggling..</div>
<div>and Lahiri Mahasays.. what a man.. what a yogi.. being a houselholder goign to
these heights.. oh my god.. its just too much..!</div> <div> </div> <div>-
Regards</div> <div> Rajarshi<BR><BR><B><I>kumar_gh_2000
<kumar_gh_2000@...></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-
LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid"> <DIV id=ygrp-text> <div>Dear Rajarshiji,<BR>Thank you very much for the
response. Sometimes I feel I missed the <BR>golden era(1800- early 1900). It was
the time many saints were born. <BR>Sri Shirdi Saibaba, Sri Swami Samarth(Akkalkot
maharaj), Sri Ramana <BR>Maharshi, Sri Tajuddin baba, Sri Bhagavan Nityananda,
Nisargadatta <BR>Maharaj, Ramakrishna parmahansa, Trilinga swami, Lahiri baba,
<BR>Yukteswara Maharaj, Pakalapati guruji and many other saints were <BR>born in
that golden era. I too accept that the presence of the <BR>saints just near to us
is highly benificial than anything. However <BR>still many people near to those
saints didn't use those great saints <BR>help. Sri
Shirdi Saibaba himself told that everybody was coming to <BR>him for material
wealth and nobody was asking spiritual wealth. In <BR>my opinion, if we pray
sincerely, even now also those saints will <BR>respond to us. In my observation,
devotion with other kinds of <BR>meditation gives excellent results. Combination of
strong conviction <BR>on guru or god, meditation on beingness(I like pranayama,
vipasana, <BR>and zen too), chanting of the powerful Gayatri Mantra or any other
<BR>mantras we are connected gives highly benificial results. Finally it <BR>leads
us to sarwasya saranagati and complete detachment. As human <BR>mind needs variety,
we can increase our sadhana time by trying all <BR>these different approaches.
<BR>Indeed this is also great time. As technology advanced <BR>very well with
internet and computers, now we can have a great <BR>awareness on many spiritual
topics. We can read and analyze about <BR>various kinds of spiritual practises and
choose which one
fits best <BR>to our temper irrespective of religion. <BR><BR>However as sri
Sivananda swami told as ounce of <BR>practise is better than tons of theory. Let us
practise, practise, <BR>practise until being one with oneness.<BR><BR><BR>Thanks
and Regards<BR>Kumar Ghanta<BR><BR><BR>--- In <A href="mailto:vedic-wisdom
%40yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com</A>, rajarshi nandy
<rajarshi14@<WBR>...> <BR>wrote:<BR>><BR>> Dear Kumar,<BR>> <BR>> Yes "I am that"
is a wonderful book. Wwonderful. I bought it <BR>some months back and it is so
beautiful. I have read "Who am I", and <BR>I still keep reading it whenever I can.
Its feels so purifying just <BR>to read these books..<BR>> <BR>> I wonder what
amount of terrific good karma those people must <BR>have done who were lucky to
have been born near these supersouls and <BR>recognized the divinity in them. They
are truely blessed. I wish <BR>someone could have told me how many mantras japas
or what sadhanas <BR>or karmas need to be done so that I can have the good fortune
of <BR>being born close to one of these people in some lifetime.<BR>> <BR>> -
Regards<BR>> Rajarshi<BR>> <BR>> kumar_gh_2000 <kumar_gh_2000@<WBR>...> wrote:<BR>>
Rajashri Ji,<BR>> I read the biography of Ganapathi Muni, an extraordinary saint,
<BR>and a <BR>> staunch devotee of Lord Ganesh. I think you must have heard about
<BR>two <BR>> gems "Who Am I" and "Be As you are" books by ramana ashram.<BR>>
<BR>> If you want to know more about this "I-ness", there is an <BR>> extraordinary
book called "I am That" by nisargadatta maharaj. <BR>Please <BR>> read it. <BR>>
Thanks and Regards,<BR>> Kumar Ghanta<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --- In <A
wisdom@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com</A>, "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14@<WBR>> <BR>>
wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > Came across this incident regarding
Bhagwan Sri Ramana Maharishi <BR>> and <BR>> > Ganapati Muni. Anyone who has ever
tried even a minutest <BR>fraction <BR>> of <BR>> > sadhana not to gain a better
happy life but to get that one <BR>small <BR>> > fraction of an inch closer to God
will know the millions of <BR>> troubles <BR>> > and frustation that come in the
path. It was on one such moment <BR>> when <BR>> > I came across this writing and
felt humbled. Ganapati Muni was <BR>> known <BR>> > as a siddha who had done
terrific, i repeat terrific amount of <BR>> > penances, even before he met Sri
Ramana Maharishi. If such a man <BR>> > could be troubled by doubts and frustation,
what to speak of us <BR>> > ordinary men whos minds are overcrowded with multiple
<BR>weaknessess. <BR>> > Also the followinf conversation shows how a real
understanding <BR>of <BR>> > the shastra is possible ONLY for a man who is that
spiritually <BR>>
> elevated. Like Lahiri Mahasaya used to say to his disciples, <BR>only a <BR>> >
true yogi will understand the spriptures. Others will only get a <BR>> > incomplete
surface view of things. And based on our incomplete <BR>> > inefficient understand
of shatras we keep fighting with others <BR>> > claiming our path our tradition our
understading is the only <BR>true <BR>> > one.<BR>> > <BR>> > "Ganapati Muni had
met the yet-to-be-called Sri Ramana on the <BR>> > southern slopes of Arunachala.
One day he was assailed by pains, <BR>> > troubles, doubts. He remembered that the
young Swami was on the <BR>> > hill, and at midday, a little after noon, he climbed
and found <BR>him <BR>> > sitting outside Virupaksha cave, alone. He prostrated and
<BR>> said, "All <BR>> > the scriptures that have to be read, I have read. All the
<BR>mantras <BR>> > and japa that have to be done, I have done. Still I
have no <BR>peace. <BR>> > Please save me." The young Swami took a little time.
For at <BR>least <BR>> > fifteen minutes he silently gazed at him. Then in Tamil,
he <BR>spoke. <BR>> > The English translation is simple:<BR>> > <BR>> > "If one
watches whence the notion 'I' arises, the mind is <BR>absorbed <BR>> > in That;
that is tapas. When you recite a mantra, watch where <BR>the <BR>> > sound is
coming from, within you; when you sing a song or <BR>prayer, <BR>> > watch where it
is emanating from: your Heart. Put your attention <BR>on <BR>> > That. That is
tyaga, that is TAPASYA, that is all." <BR>> > All his doubts and delusions were
washed away that day. "<BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> "This above
all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ------------
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however, t=
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a Thread
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Moola Mantras are powerful sounds and are very rich in their meaning which when
chanted produce great effects. These are chanted repeatedly and that is called
Japa.
Japa is a key part of Hindu prayer
While doing japa one can meditate on the mantra and its meaning. As the mind
dwell more and more into that, the mind and takes up to the higher States and forms
the path to the great liberation -eternal bliss (SELF HYPNOTIC)
What makes moola mantras so special as compared to the normal words? Moola
mantras are not human creations. Especially given that there are sages associated
with the moola mantras!
The point to be noted is that these sages are not composers of these moola
mantras. Only the perfect one can unchangedly reproduce the moola mantra heard. The
only one that is absolutely perfect is God. Vedas are full of moola mantras and
hence have been preserved for ages in their pure form by utilizing the various
techniques like PATHA, KRAMA, JATA, GANA PATAS, that ensure that the chanter
clearly gets the correct letters and even the correct level of sound for each
letter (svara).
There would be gurus who initiate the disciple in a moola mantra, ensuring that the
disciple receive the mantra in perfect original format. (It is really amazing to
note that without being written down, the Vedas have been preserved in pure form
across the land for ages. Though the texts are freely available now for anybody to
read, it would be important to ensure that these moola mantras are properly learnt
and then chanted. This way the treasure that as been preserved so carefully over
multiple millenniums do not deteriorate due to indifference.
Definition # 1:
Moola mantras are energy-based sounds. Saying any word produces an actual
physical vibration. Over time, if we know the effect of that vibration, then the
word may come to have meaning associated with it. If the actual physical vibration
is coupled with a mental intention, the vibration then contains an additional
mental component, which influences the result of saying it.
The Sound is the carrier wave and the intent is overlaid upon the waveform, just as
a colored gel influences the appearance and effect of a white light.
In either instance, the word is based upon energy. Nowhere is this idea truer
than for Sanskrit moola mantra. For although there is a general meaning which comes
to be associated with moola mantras, the only lasting definition is the result or
effect of saying the moola mantra as passed on from generation to generation.
Definition # 2:
Moola mantras create thought-energy waves. The human consciousness is really a
collection of states of consciousness, which distributively exist throughout the
physical and subtle bodies. So individual organ consciousness is overlaid by system
consciousness, overlaid again by subtle body counterparts and consciousness, and so
ad infinitum. Moola mantras start a powerful vibration, which corresponds to both a
specific spiritual energy frequency and a state of consciousness in seed form. Over
time, the moola mantra process begins to override all of the other smaller
vibrations, which eventually become absorbed by the moola mantra. After a length of
time, which varies from individual to individual, the great wave of the moola
mantra stills all other vibrations. Ultimately, the moola mantra produces a state
where the organism vibrates at the rate completely in tune with the energy and
spiritual state represented by and contained within the moola mantra
Definition #3:
Moola mantras are tools of power and tools for power. The word "moola mantra" is
derived from two Sanskrit words. Moola mantra is, at its core, a tool used by the
mind, which eventually frees one from the vagaries of the mind. But the journey
from moola mantra to freedom is a wondrous one. In the case of moola mantra, this
power is tangible and wieldable.
Statements About Moola mantra Moola mantras have close, approximate one-to-one
direct language-based translation. Definitions of moola mantras are oriented toward
either the results of repeating the moola mantra or of the intentions of the
original framers and testers of the moola mantra. In Sanskrit, sounds which have no
direct translation but which contain great power which can be” grown" from it are
called "seed moola mantras." The moola mantra "Hirim" or Hireem is the seed sound
for the principle of abundance.
Although the oral tradition predates written speech by centuries, those earliest
oral records annotated on palm leaves discussed earlier clearly designate a
specific sage as the "seer_ of the moola mantra. Relationship between the moola
mantra sound, either vocalized or sub vocalized, and the charkas located throughout
the body.
Moola mantras are energy, which can be likened to fire. Similarly, moola mantra can
bring a positive and beneficial result, or it can produce an energy meltdown when
misused or practiced without some guidance. Moola mantra energizes prana.
A massage therapist can transfer prana with beneficial effect. For instance, by
saying a certain moola mantra while visualizing an internal organ bathed in light,
the
Specific power of the moola mantra can become concentrated there with great
beneficial effect.
Moola mantras eventually quiet the mind. At a deep level, subconscious mind is a
collective consciousness of all the forms of primitive consciousnesses, which exist
throughout the physical and subtle bodies. The dedicated use of moola mantra can
dig into subconscious crystallized thoughts stored in the organs and glands and
transform these bodily parts into repositories of peace. Some of you may be
interested or even fascinated by the discipline of moola mantra, but feel somewhat
overwhelmed by the array of moola mantras and disciplines, stotaras and pujas you
find in here. It contains some simple moola mantras and their common application.
If you want more information or more moola mantras relating to the deities or
principles involved
Summary:
1.Manthra should initiated by reverable GURU *Guru Mukhena. At the initial period,
Guru will be traitor. It depends upon your grasping power.For Deeksha you should be
well prepared and ready to offer Guru Dakshina. Now adays just like school fees
taken in advance of entire course, Manthra is not commodity saleable. Dakshina here
is somewhat like offerings.
2.External cleanliness at most should be maintained for quick result.
3.Internal cleanliness, i.e. meditating the meaning of the mantra along with
recitation, so that our thought and process of chanting will become one and
oneness.
4.Without failure daily you must chant minimum number of count with specific mala
*(beads).
5.After completing prescribed number along with Guru advice you should proceed to
do Purascharan.for this matter Guru is the only sole guide.
6. Manthra should not recited after reading from book, internet, or from
inapropriate person. Though SADANA is yours but REGULATOR is GURU.
7.At no Time you should have insulted the Guru one who initiate the manthra. Before
accepting the manthra you can doubt him or test his capabilities, after accepting,
you should never get doubt, or uttering a word cause discomfort to GURU. This will
become GURU SHAB, and there is no remedies available in shastras.
Regds
K.V.Vighnesh
Chennai-93
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<div>Moola Mantras are powerful sounds and are very rich in their meaning which
when chanted produce great effects. These are chanted repeatedly and that is called
Japa. <BR>Japa is a key part of Hindu prayer</div> <div>While doing japa one can
meditate on the mantra and its meaning. As the mind dwell more and more into that,
the mind and takes up to the higher States and forms the path to the great
liberation -eternal bliss (SELF HYPNOTIC)</div> <div>What makes moola mantras so
special as compared to the normal words? Moola mantras are not human creations.
Especially given that there are sages associated with the moola mantras! </div>
<div>The point to be noted is that these sages are not composers of these moola
mantras. Only the perfect one can unchangedly reproduce the moola mantra heard. The
only one that is absolutely perfect is God. Vedas are full of moola mantras and
hence have been preserved for ages in their pure form by utilizing the various
techniques like
PATHA, KRAMA, JATA, GANA PATAS, that ensure that the chanter clearly gets the
correct letters and even the correct level of sound for each letter (svara).
<BR>There would be gurus who initiate the disciple in a moola mantra, ensuring that
the disciple receive the mantra in perfect original format. (It is really amazing
to note that without being written down, the Vedas have been preserved in pure form
across the land for ages. Though the texts are freely available now for anybody to
read, it would be important to ensure that these moola mantras are properly learnt
and then chanted. This way the treasure that as been preserved so carefully over
multiple millenniums do not deteriorate due to indifference.</div>
<div><BR>Definition # 1:</div> <div>Moola mantras are energy-based sounds. Saying
any word produces an actual physical vibration. Over time, if we know the effect of
that vibration, then the word may come to have meaning associated with it. If the
actual physical
vibration is coupled with a mental intention, the vibration then contains an
additional mental component, which influences the result of saying it. <BR>The
Sound is the carrier wave and the intent is overlaid upon the waveform, just as a
colored gel influences the appearance and effect of a white light.</div> <div>In
either instance, the word is based upon energy. Nowhere is this idea truer than for
Sanskrit moola mantra. For although there is a general meaning which comes to be
associated with moola mantras, the only lasting definition is the result or effect
of saying the moola mantra as passed on from generation to generation. </div>
<div>Definition # 2:</div> <div>Moola mantras create thought-energy waves. The
human consciousness is really a collection of states of consciousness, which
distributively exist throughout the physical and subtle bodies. So individual organ
consciousness is overlaid by system consciousness, overlaid again by subtle body
counterparts and
consciousness, and so ad infinitum. Moola mantras start a powerful vibration,
which corresponds to both a specific spiritual energy frequency and a state of
consciousness in seed form. Over time, the moola mantra process begins to override
all of the other smaller vibrations, which eventually become absorbed by the moola
mantra. After a length of time, which varies from individual to individual, the
great wave of the moola mantra stills all other vibrations. Ultimately, the moola
mantra produces a state where the organism vibrates at the rate completely in tune
with the energy and spiritual state represented by and contained within the moola
mantra</div> <div><BR>Definition #3:</div> <div>Moola mantras are tools of power
and tools for power. The word "moola mantra" is derived from two Sanskrit words.
Moola mantra is, at its core, a tool used by the mind, which eventually frees one
from the vagaries of the mind. But the journey from moola mantra to freedom is a
wondrous
one. In the case of moola mantra, this power is tangible and
wieldable.<BR>Statements About Moola mantra Moola mantras have close, approximate
one-to-one direct language-based translation. Definitions of moola mantras are
oriented toward either the results of repeating the moola mantra or of the
intentions of the original framers and testers of the moola mantra. In Sanskrit,
sounds which have no direct translation but which contain great power which can be”
grown" from it are called "seed moola mantras." The moola mantra "Hirim" or Hireem
is the seed sound for the principle of abundance.</div> <div>Although the oral
tradition predates written speech by centuries, those earliest oral records
annotated on palm leaves discussed earlier clearly designate a specific sage as the
"seer_ of the moola mantra. Relationship between the moola mantra sound, either
vocalized or sub vocalized, and the charkas located throughout the body.<BR>Moola
mantras are energy, which can be
likened to fire. Similarly, moola mantra can bring a positive and beneficial
result, or it can produce an energy meltdown when misused or practiced without some
guidance. Moola mantra energizes prana.</div> <div>A massage therapist can
transfer prana with beneficial effect. For instance, by saying a certain moola
mantra while visualizing an internal organ bathed in light, the<BR>Specific power
of the moola mantra can become concentrated there with great beneficial
effect.</div> <div>Moola mantras eventually quiet the mind. At a deep level,
subconscious mind is a collective consciousness of all the forms of primitive
consciousnesses, which exist throughout the physical and subtle bodies. The
dedicated use of moola mantra can dig into subconscious crystallized thoughts
stored in the organs and glands and transform these bodily parts into repositories
of peace. Some of you may be interested or even fascinated by the discipline of
moola mantra, but feel somewhat overwhelmed
by the array of moola mantras and disciplines, stotaras and pujas you find in
here. It contains some simple moola mantras and their common application. If you
want more information or more moola mantras relating to the deities or principles
involved<BR>Summary:<BR>1.Manthra should initiated by reverable GURU *Guru Mukhena.
At the initial period, Guru will be traitor. It depends upon your grasping
power.For Deeksha you should be well prepared and ready to offer Guru Dakshina. Now
adays just like school fees taken in advance of entire course, Manthra is not
commodity saleable. Dakshina here is somewhat like offerings.<BR>2.External
cleanliness at most should be maintained for quick result.<BR>3.Internal
cleanliness, i.e. meditating the meaning of the mantra along with recitation, so
that our thought and process of chanting will become one and oneness.<BR>4.Without
failure daily you must chant minimum number of count with specific mala
*(beads).<BR>5.After completing
prescribed number along with Guru advice you should proceed to do Purascharan.for
this matter Guru is the only sole guide.<BR>6. Manthra should not recited after
reading from book, internet, or from inapropriate person. Though SADANA is yours
but REGULATOR is GURU.<BR>7.At no Time you should have insulted the Guru one who
initiate the manthra. Before accepting the manthra you can doubt him or test his
capabilities, after accepting, you should never get doubt, or uttering a word cause
discomfort to GURU. This will become GURU SHAB, and there is no remedies available
in shastras.</div> <div>Regds</div> <div>K.V.Vighnesh</div>
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Nations always go through cycles of expansion and shrin=

king. Just like individual beings cannot escape from the cycle of life and =
death and the cycle of happiness and sadness, so can't nation escape from t=
he cycle of expansion and shrinking and the cycle of prosperity and adversi=
ty. The only difference is that the periods are much longer in the case of =
nations.
What is more alarming than the *nation* of *India* shrinking is =

that Hinduism or sanatana dharma is shrinking in the world. Though probably=
there are more Hindus in the world today than a few hundred years back, th=
ere are fewer people who truly stick to sanatana dharma today than a few hu=
ndred years back. *That* is the real concern.
Now, how do you solve this =

problem? As the gentleman below says, you can "awake, arise and fight till =
the goal is achieved". But, I want to point out that there are different fr=
ontiers fighting at different levels in each "fight". Because the list "siv=
acharya" contains many priests, I want to point out the role that can be pl=
ayed by spiritual people and yogis in a dharmic battle (dharma yuddha).
L=
et me use the example of Shivaji to illustrate my point. Those who think th=
e military victories of Shivaji were only due to his bravery and tactical b=
rilliance are missing a very key enabling factor. The sadhana of Samartha R=
amadas, the great yogi who was his guru, was not any less factor than Shiva=
ji's bravery.
If you become like Samartha Ramadas, a Shivaji will automat=

ically come and lead a fight. Brave soldiers will automatically come and jo=
in that Shivaji. As Krishna says in BhagavadGeetha, everybody has to follow=
"own dharma". A Brahmana can follow his own dharma and make a big differen=
ce in a fight in a totally invisible fashion. If one does spiritual sadhana=
with a specific sankalpa to increase dharma in the world, it is bound to m=
ake a difference sooner or later.
Specifically, if a handful of people st=

art performing Chandi homam twice a day in various parts of the world, with=
the specific sankalpa of establishing sanatana dharma in the world (and wi=
thout *diluting* it by adding any other individual sankalpas), I am confide=
nt that world will change. I have no doubt. The key would be for each perso=
n to pick a place and do homam in the morning and evening in the *same* pla=
ce (as opposed to roaming around and doing in different places) and do it a=
round the same times every morning and evening. If three homas can be perfo=
rmed everyday, that will be even better. On the other side, if two cannot b=
e performed and only one can be performed everyday, that can also be useful=
.
The opulence of the materials burnt in the homam hardly matters. She do=
es not distinguish between a small cotton cloth and an opulent silk saree. =
We, ordinary people, differentiate. For Her, everything is the same - both =
are clothes. Materials that one can afford can be used. If one is performin=
g a selfish ritual for *individual* good (of a person or a family or a comm=
unity or a nation etc), then materials commensurate with the goal are requi=
red. But, if one is performing a selfless ritual for increasing dharma in t=
he world, restrictions are fewer and materials matter little.
If the shlo=
kas are chanted with pure devotion and sincerity and with the perfect faith=
that She is coming in the fire and receiving them, that is enough. If She =
is treated with respect, love and care while She is in fire, that is enough=
. Material deficiencies can be ignored. Even if they do an imperfect job, t=
he Mother makes it complete and perfect and accepts it! That faith has to b=
e complete. In fact, She *wants* people to do this, so that She can destroy=
adharma in the world. But the nature of certain times is such that people =
do not do this. When the time to reduce adharma comes, She motivates some p=
eople to do this, they do it and then She acts on it. Though She is the one=
who is inspiring some to do this, She needs them to act further. Fortunate=
are those who get to play a role in this fascinating game with their belov=
ed Mother.
As the 12th adhyaya of saptashati says, "durvruttaanaam asesha=

anaam balahaanikaram param rakshobhootapisaachaanaam pathanaadeva naasanam"=
(a mere reading of this reduces the strength of the many with a mean condu=
ct and destroys demons and evil spirits).
For establishing sanatana dharm=

a in the world, there is nothing better than a regular practice of Chandi h=
omam. Even Lord Rama performed it before battling Ravana.
If anybody real=
ly has the time, energy and material resources to perform a Chandi homam on=
e or two or three times everyday without any individual wishes but just for=
increasing dharma in the world, I can give them a sankalpa (in Sanskrit) t=
hat they can take at the beginning. I can also privately teach a simple and=
short procedure using which Chandi homam can be performed within 2 hours w=
ith some practice. Of course, most people on "sivacharya" yahoogroup may al=
ready be proficient in Chandi homam. I am talking about others.
Best rega=
rds,
Narasimha
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From: Radhakrishnan Jambuna=
tha
To: sivacharya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:4=
2 PM
Subject: Re: [sivacharya] Fwd: India Slowly Disappearing...
=
with the oldest party being headed by a foreigner for the last ten years, =
India will further shrink. Let Indians (Hindus) awake,arise, fight till the=
goal is achieved.
J.R.krishnan
--- On Fri, 6/27/=

08, Deepa <deepa.duraiswamy@...> wrote:
From: Deep=
a <deepa.duraiswamy@...>
Subject: [sivacharya] Fwd:=
India Slowly Disappearing...
To: sivacharya@yahoogroups.=
com, "swamisathasivom sri" <swamisathasivom@...>, "Shanmukha Sivachar=
yar" <adisaiva@...>
Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 3:=
43 AM
Why is this happening? What can be done to prot=

ect our frontiers? Haven't we always had our hearts and doors open to all?=
It feels like Bharat Mata's head and hands being injured!
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king in the world. Though
probably there are more Hindus in the world toda=
y than a few hundred years back,
there are fewer people who truly stick to=
sanatana dharma today than a few
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oncern.</FONT></DIV>
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gentleman below says, you can "awake, arise and fight till the goal is
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hieved". But, I want to point out that there are different frontiers fighti=
ng
at different levels in each "fight". Because the list "sivacharya" cont=
ains many
priests, I want to point out the role that can be played by spir=
itual people and
yogis in a dharmic battle (dharma yuddha).</FONT></DIV>
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point. Those =
who think the military victories of Shivaji were only due to his
bravery a=
nd tactical brilliance are missing a very key enabling factor. The
sadhana=
of Samartha Ramadas, the great yogi who was his guru, was not any less
fa=
ctor than Shivaji's bravery.</FONT></DIV>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you become like Sam=
artha Ramadas, a Shivaji will
automatically come and lead a fight. Brave s=
oldiers will automatically come and
join that Shivaji. As Krishna says in =
BhagavadGeetha, everybody has to follow
"own dharma". A Brahmana can follo=
w his own dharma and make a big difference in
a fight in a totally invisib=
le fashion. If one does spiritual sadhana with a
specific sankalpa to incr=
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perfo=
rming Chandi homam twice a day in various parts of the world, with the
spe=
cific sankalpa of establishing sanatana dharma in the world (and without
*=
diluting* it by adding any other individual sankalpas), I am confident that=
world will change. I have no doubt. The key would be for each person to p=
ick a
place and do homam in the morning and evening in the *same* place (a=
s opposed to
roaming around and doing in different places) and do it aroun=
d the same times
every morning and evening. If three homas can be performe=
d everyday, that will
be even better. On the other side, if two cannot be =
performed and only one can
be performed everyday, that can also be useful.=
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FO=
NT face=3DArial size=3D2>The opulence of the materials burnt in the homam
=
hardly matters. </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>She does not distinguish=
between
a small cotton cloth and an opulent silk saree. We, ordinary peop=
le,
differentiate. For Her, everything is the same - both are clothes. Mat=
erials
that one can afford can be used. If one is performing a selfish rit=
ual for
*individual* good (of a person or a family or a community or a nat=
ion etc), then
materials commensurate with the goal are required. But, if =
one is performing a
selfless ritual for increasing dharma in the world, re=
strictions are fewer and
materials matter little.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
If the shlokas are chanted with pure devotion and
sincerity and with the p=
erfect faith that She is coming in the fire and
receiving them, that is en=
ough. If She is treated with respect, love and
care while She is in f=
ire, that is enough. Material deficiencies can be ignored.
Even if they do=
an imperfect job, the Mother makes it complete and perfect and
accepts it=
! That faith has to be complete. In fact, She *wants* people to do
this, s=
o that She can destroy adharma in the world. But the nature of certain
tim=
es is such that people do not do this. When the time to reduce adharma come=
s,
She motivates some people to do this, they do it and then She acts on i=
t. Though
She is the one who is inspiring some to do this, She needs them =
to act further.
Fortunate are those who get to play a role in this fa=
scinating game with
their beloved Mother.</FONT></DIV>
rial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As the 1=
2th adhyaya of saptashati says,
"durvruttaanaam aseshaanaam balahaanikaram=
param rakshobhootapisaachaanaam
pathanaadeva naasanam" (a mere reading&nb=
sp;of this reduces the strength of the
many with a mean conduct and destro=
ys demons and evil spirits).</FONT></DIV>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For establishing sanat=
ana dharma in the world,
there is nothing better than a regular practice o=
f Chandi homam. Even Lord Rama
performed it before battling Ravana.</FONT>=
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>If anybody really has the time, energy and material
reso=
urces to perform a Chandi homam one or two or three times everyday without =
any individual wishes but just for increasing dharma in the world, I can g=
ive
them a sankalpa (in Sanskrit) that they can take at the beginning. I c=
an also
privately teach a simple and short procedure using which Chandi ho=
mam can be
performed within 2 hours with some practice. Of course, most pe=
ople on
"sivacharya" yahoogroup may already be proficient in Chandi homam.=
I am talking
about others.</FONT></DIV>
</FONT></DIV>
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Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:42
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial=
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fight till the goal=
is achieved.</P>
<P>J.R.krishnan</P>
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[sivacharya] Fwd: =
India Slowly Disappearing...<BR>To:
sivacharya@yahoogrou=
ps.com, "swamisathasivom sri"
<swamisathasivom@gmail.=
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Folks,
I came across 2 wonderful living jnanis through the web.
Please ch=
eck the website below. Actually books were written in telugu.
If you have =
time and you are in India, please don't miss these great
jnanis. As I didn=
't go to India recently, I haven't yet met these great
living yogis. Remem=
ber, Nowadays, it is very difficult to see a living
jnani. So please don't=
miss the opportunity to visit them.
I read a story from dhuniwala dada's =

life in one of the books I
couldn't recall.
Once a old lady begger came t=
o Dhuniwala's ashram. Then dada send her
out with so much anger and hate. =
His pupil asked him why he was very
angry on her. Then dada told them that=
she killed a saint in her past
life. So she has to has 7 more lifes(incar=
nations) like that. Just
because she visited the ashram, some of her sins =
were burnt, and 6 more
lifes would be enough to burn her sins.
Visiting =
living saints is a great opportunity. They never care about
anything in th=
e earth and don't judge them by their appearance too.
Website:
http://w=
ww.saimastersevatrust.org/livingsaints.html
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Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Kumar,
Can you find the birth data of these saints and bring to list for our study.
thank-you
Lakshmi

Folks,
I came across 2 wonderful living jnanis through the web.
Please check the website below. Actually books were written in telugu.
If you have time and you are in India, please don't miss these great
jnanis. As I didn't go to India recently, I haven't yet met these great
living yogis. Remember, Nowadays, it is very difficult to see a living
jnani. So please don't miss the opportunity to visit them.
I read a story from dhuniwala dada's life in one of the books I

couldn't recall.
Once a old lady begger came to Dhuniwala's ashram. Then dada send her
out with so much anger and hate. His pupil asked him why he was very
angry on her. Then dada told them that she killed a saint in her past
life. So she has to has 7 more lifes(incarnations) like that. Just
because she visited the ashram, some of her sins were burnt, and 6 more
lifes would be enough to burn her sins.
Visiting living saints is a great opportunity. They never care about

anything in the earth and don't judge them by their appearance too.
Website:
http://www.saimastersevatrust.org/livingsaints.html
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<div>Hare Rama Krishna</div> <div>Dear Kumar,</div> <div>Can you find the birth
data of these saints and bring to list for our study.</div> <div>thank-you</div>
<div>Lakshmi<BR><BR><B><I>kumar_gh_2000 <kumar_gh_2000@...></I></B> wrote:</div>
#1010ff 2px solid"> <DIV id=ygrp-text> <div>Folks,<BR>I came across 2 wonderful
living jnanis through the web. <BR><BR>Please check the website below. Actually
books were written in telugu. <BR>If you have time and you are in India, please
don't miss these great <BR>jnanis. As I didn't go to India recently, I haven't yet
met these great <BR>living yogis.
Remember, Nowadays, it is very difficult to see a living <BR>jnani. So please
don't miss the opportunity to visit them.<BR><BR>I read a story from dhuniwala
dada's life in one of the books I <BR>couldn't recall. <BR>Once a old lady begger
came to Dhuniwala's ashram. Then dada send her <BR>out with so much anger and hate.
His pupil asked him why he was very <BR>angry on her. Then dada told them that she
killed a saint in her past <BR>life. So she has to has 7 more lifes(incarnations)
like that. Just <BR>because she visited the ashram, some of her sins were burnt,
and 6 more <BR>lifes would be enough to burn her sins.<BR><BR>Visiting living
saints is a great opportunity. They never care about <BR>anything in the earth and
don't judge them by their appearance too. <BR><BR>Website:<BR><A
href="http://www.saimastersevatrust.org/livingsaints.html">http://
www.saimaste<WBR>rsevatrust.<WBR>org/livingsaints<WBR>.html</A><BR><BR></div></
DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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From: "Narasimha Rao" <pvr@...>
Subject: Fwd: Which Yuga are we in? :-)
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--- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha Rao" <pvr@...> wrote:
Namaste f=
riends,
There seems to be a discussion on sohamsa list regarding what yug=

a we
are in right now. People belonging to Yukteshwar Maharaj's kriya yoga
=
tradition believe that we are in Dwapara yuga now.
Well, when people do n=

ot even know what yuga is running and different
great yogis hold a differen=
t view as to what yuga is running, surely
it must be a sign of the deepenin=
g Kali! :-) :-(
Yukteshwar Maharaj was a great yogi. But mistakes do happ=

en. And there
is a reason for everything. Jnaaninaamapi chetaamsi devi bhag=
avati hi
saa balaadaakrushya mohaaya mahaamaayaa prayachhati. She can delud=
e
the minds of even great jnaanis. She does these things for a reason.
As K=
ali is deepening, this basic confusion was *meant* to be created
and Yuktes=
hwar maharaj was Her chosen instrument.
One more point..
There is suppo=
sed to be 1/4th dharma in Kali yuga. With the deepening
Kali yuga, dharma i=
n mainstream society will start to fall rapidly
(even below 25% level!). It=
is probably happening already. If 99.99%
of the society is not maintaining=
25% dharma, it is the responsibility
of the rest to actually maintain a ve=
ry high level of dharma,
compensate for the fallen and ensure that the over=
all dharma on earth
is atleast 25%. Thus, as the society becomes more and m=
ore perverse,
selfish and adharmik, some sections of the society will sprin=
g up that
embrace a very high level of dharma. People living in those secti=
ons
may even think that we are in Treta yuga, let alone Dwapara yuga!
My =
2 cents...
Best regards,
Narasimha
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tish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
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ite: http://www.SriJagannath.org
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I think this message was wrongly addressed to me. I don't go t=

o any classes.
Thank you.
Bijay
--- On Tue, 7/29/08, Lakshmi Kary <lakshm=

ikary@...> wrote:
Subject:=
Re: [vedic-wisdom] Living Jnanis
Date: Tu=
esday, July 29, 2008, 3:17 PM
Hare Rama Krishna =

Dear Kumar, Can you find the birth data of these saints and bring to list=
for our study. thank-you Lakshmi
kumar_gh_2000 <kumar_gh_2000@ yahoo.co=

m> wrote: Folks,
I came across 2 wonderful living jnanis through the w=
eb.
Please check the website below. Actually books were written in telugu=
.
If you have time and you are in India, please don't miss these great
jn=
anis. As I didn't go to India recently, I haven't yet met these great
livi=
ng yogis.
Remember, Nowadays, it is very difficult to see a living
jnani.=
So please don't miss the opportunity to visit them.
I read a story from d=

huniwala dada's life in one of the books I
couldn't recall.
Once a old la=
dy begger came to Dhuniwala's ashram. Then dada send her
out with so much =
anger and hate. His pupil asked him why he was very
angry on her. Then dad=
a told them that she killed a saint in her past
life. So she has to has 7 =
more lifes(incarnations) like that. Just
because she visited the ashram, s=
ome of her sins were burnt, and 6 more
lifes would be enough to burn her s=
ins.
Visiting living saints is a great opportunity. They never care about =
anything in the earth and don't judge them by their appearance too.
Webs=
ite:
http://www.saimaste rsevatrust. org/livingsaints .html
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style='font: inherit;'>Hi Lakshmi,<br><br>I think this message was wrongly
addressed to me. I don't go to any classes.<br><br>Thank you.<br>Bijay<br><br>---
On <b>Tue, 7/29/08, Lakshmi Kary <i><lakshmikary@...></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote
style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left:
5px;">From: Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@...><br>Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Living
Jnanis<br>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<br>Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 3:17
PM<br><br><div id="yiv1921917760">
<p></p><div>Hare Rama Krishna</div> <div>Dear Kumar,</div> <div>Can
you find the birth data of these saints and bring to list for our study.</div>
<div>thank-you</div> <div>Lakshmi<br><br><b><i>kumar_gh_2000 <kumar_gh_2000@
yahoo.com></i></b> wrote:</div> <blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px
solid rgb(16, 16, 255);"> <div id="ygrp-text"> <div>Folks,<br>I came across 2
wonderful living jnanis through the web. <br><br>Please check the website below.
Actually books were written in telugu. <br>If you have time and you are in India,
please don't miss these great <br>jnanis. As I didn't go to India recently, I
haven't yet met these great <br>living yogis.
Remember, Nowadays, it is very difficult to see a living <br>jnani. So please
don't miss the opportunity to visit them.<br><br>I read a story from dhuniwala
dada's life in one of the books I <br>couldn't recall. <br>Once a old lady begger
came to Dhuniwala's ashram. Then dada send her <br>out with so much anger and hate.
His pupil asked him why he was very <br>angry on her. Then dada told them that she
killed a saint in her past <br>life. So she has to has 7 more lifes(incarnations)
like that. Just <br>because she visited the ashram, some of her sins were burnt,
and 6 more <br>lifes would be enough to burn her sins.<br><br>Visiting living
saints is a great opportunity. They never care about <br>anything in the earth and
don't judge them by their appearance too. <br><br>Website:<br><a rel="nofollow"
target="_blank" href="http://www.saimastersevatrust.org/livingsaints.html">http://
www.saimaste rsevatrust. org/livingsaints
.html</a><br><br></div></div></blockquote><br>
</div>
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Lakshmiji,
I haven't even got a chance to meet them. I don't have their bir=
th
times.
Thanks and Regards,
=
kumar Ghanta
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, Lakshmi Kary=
<lakshmikary@...>
wrote:
>
> Hare Rama Krishna
> Dear Kumar,
> Can yo=
u find the birth data of these saints and bring to list for
our study.
> =
thank-you
> Lakshmi
>
> kumar_gh_2000 <kumar_gh_2000@...> wrote:
> =
Folks,
> I came across 2 wonderful living jnanis through the web.
> =
> Please check the website below. Actually books were written in
telugu. =
> If you have time and you are in India, please don't miss these
great
>=
jnanis. As I didn't go to India recently, I haven't yet met these
great
=
> living yogis. Remember, Nowadays, it is very difficult to see a
living
=
> jnani. So please don't miss the opportunity to visit them.
>
> I read a =
story from dhuniwala dada's life in one of the books I
> couldn't recall. =
> Once a old lady begger came to Dhuniwala's ashram. Then dada send
her
=
> out with so much anger and hate. His pupil asked him why he was
very
> =
angry on her. Then dada told them that she killed a saint in her
past
> l=
ife. So she has to has 7 more lifes(incarnations) like that. Just
> becaus=
e she visited the ashram, some of her sins were burnt, and 6
more
> lifes=
would be enough to burn her sins.
>
> Visiting living saints is a great o=
pportunity. They never care
about
> anything in the earth and don't judge=
them by their appearance too.
>
> Website:
> http://www.saimastersevatru=
st.org/livingsaints.html
>
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Namaste friends,
A brief manual for Chandi homam is now available at
ht=
tp://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam/chandi.htm
It builds upon Mahaganapath=
i homam manual and gives incremental/differential directions for Chandi hom=
am. Mahaganapathi homam manual can be downloaded at
http://www.VedicAstro=
loger.org/homam/ganapathi.htm
Some words of caution regarding Chandi homa=

m are reproduced from the manual at the end of this mail. While Mahaganapat=
hi homam is appropriate for all, Chandi homam is a bigger commitment and ap=
propriate for some. Those who are interested may take advantage of this doc=
ument.
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------------------------------------=
------------------------
Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrolo=
ger.org/homam
Free=
Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
Free Jyotish sof=
tware (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) =
website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
--------------------------------------=
----------------------------
Word of Caution
Chandi is a very fierce an=

d powerful deity - She is the primordial energy that is responsible for the=
creation, sustenance and destruction of this entire universe. She is the s=
um total of the energies of all beings of this universe. Chandi homam is un=
questionably a very powerful sadhana.
This ritual can be used for getting=

wealth and health, for success in various wordly matters and for destroyin=
g enemies. However, one performing Chandi homam for such a specific purpose=
needs to meet some exacting demands, such as perfect pronunciation, perfec=
t procedure and perfect materials for the purpose, and have some accumulate=
d spiritual energy to pull off the feat.
Neither is the author an expert =

in performing homam with such an attitude nor does he teach that. This docu=
ment is strictly for one who performs Chandi homam for spiritual upliftment=
and looks at the Divine Mother as a mother and looks at oneself as a helpl=
ess child who desperately wants to improve. This document is strictly for o=
ne who is willing to undergo whatever one's mother wants one to undergo, fo=
r the sake of spiritual upliftment.
However, it is not necessary that Sh=

e should take away one's material success and prosperity in order to give s=
piritual upliftment. In fact, many people who perform Chandi homam everyday=
or every week using this document may experience continued or even increas=
ed material success (and yet be able to remain detached from it and progres=
s spiritually). However, in some cases, She may decide to give a shock or t=
wo in worldly matters if something is badly blocking one's spiritual progre=
ss and a setback is needed. The path towards self-realization is different =
for each person. She knows the best for each person. Unless one is willing =
to surrender to Her completely and accept whatever comes one's way - good o=
r bad - as Her blessings and unless one does not expect any specific materi=
al benefit from this homam, one should not use this document to perform Cha=
ndi homam.
Again, as emphasized in the Mahaganapathi homam manual, regula=

rity is the key. Performing a homam once in a while is insufficient. One sh=
ould repeat the sadhana daily or weekly. If one performs Chandi homam once =
everyday, it is almost sure to transform one's attitude and outlook and put=
one's spiritual evolution on the fast track.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A brief manual for Chandi homam is now av=
ailable
at</FONT></DIV>
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href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.=
org/homam/chandi.htm">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam/chandi.htm</A></=
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
face=3DArial size=3D2>It builds upon Mahaganapathi homam manual and gives =
incremental/differential directions for Chandi homam. Mahaganapathi homam =

manual
can be downloaded at</FONT></DIV>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
href=3D"http=
://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam/ganapathi.htm">http://www.VedicAstrologer.=
org/homam/ganapathi.htm</A></FONT></DIV>
nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Some words of caution r=
egarding Chandi homam are
reproduced from the manual at the end of this ma=
il. While Mahaganapathi homam is
appropriate for all, Chandi homam is a bi=
gger commitment and appropriate for
some. Those who are interested may tak=
e advantage of this
document.</FONT></DIV></DIV>
ize=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
regards,=
<BR>Narasimha<BR>----------------------------------------------------------=
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riJagannath.org</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
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<DIV align=3Djustify>Chandi is a very fierce and p=
owerful deity =96 She is the
primordial energy that is responsible for the=
creation, sustenance and
destruction of this entire universe. She is the =
sum total of the energies of all
beings of this universe. Chandi homam is =
unquestionably a very powerful
sadhana.</DIV>
<DIV align=3Djustify> <=
/DIV>
<DIV align=3Djustify>This ritual <I>can </I>be used for getting wealt=
h and health,
for success in various wordly matters and for destroying ene=
mies. However, one
performing Chandi homam for such a specific purpose nee=
ds to meet some exacting
demands, such as perfect pronunciation, perfect p=
rocedure and perfect materials
for the purpose, and have some accumulated =
spiritual energy to pull off the
<I>feat</I>.</DIV>
<DIV align=3Djustify>&=
nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Djustify>Neither is the author an expert in perform=
ing homam with such
an attitude nor does he teach that. This document is s=
trictly for one who
performs Chandi homam for spiritual upliftment and loo=
ks at the Divine Mother as
a mother and looks at oneself as a helpless chi=
ld who desperately wants to
improve. This document is strictly for one who=
is willing to undergo whatever
one=92s mother wants one to undergo, for t=
he sake of spiritual upliftment. </DIV>
<DIV align=3Djustify> </DIV>
<=
DIV align=3Djustify>However, it is <I>not</I> necessary that She should tak=
e away
one=92s material success and prosperity in order to give spiritual =
upliftment. In
fact, many people who perform Chandi homam everyday or ever=
y week using this
document may experience continued or even increased mate=
rial success (and yet be
able to remain detached from it and progress spir=
itually). However, in <I>some
</I>cases, She <I>may </I>decide to give a s=
hock or two in worldly matters if
something is badly blocking one=92s spir=
itual progress and a setback is needed.
The path towards self-realization =
is different for each person. She knows the
best for each person. Unless o=
ne is willing to surrender to Her completely and
accept whatever comes one=
=92s way =96 good or bad =96 as Her blessings and unless one
does not <I>e=
xpect </I>any specific material benefit from this homam, one should
<I>not=
</I> use this document to perform Chandi homam.</DIV>
<DIV align=3Djustify>=
</DIV>
<DIV align=3Djustify>Again, as emphasized in the Mahaganapathi=
homam manual,
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s insufficient. One
should repeat the sadhana daily or weekly. If one perf=
orms Chandi homam once
everyday, it is <B>almost sure to transform </B>one=
=92s attitude and outlook and
put one=92s spiritual evolution on the fast =
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Namaste friends,
Now three detailed pitri tarpana manuals are available o=

n the internet. They are appropriate even for a novice and explain clearly =
the details of pitri tarpana. The mantras are simple, the materials needed =
are few and it does not take too long.
Homam (fire ritual) and pitri tarp=

anas (water ritual) are two of the most important rituals of Hinduism and w=
orth performing regularly. They cleanse a person, remove various obstacles =
in material and spiritual lives and speed up spiritual evolution. An aspira=
nt desiring spiritual progress should take advantage of them regularly. Mor=
e about the philosophy of pitri tarpana is explained below, where I reprodu=
ced an extract from the manual.
Please download the manuals from
http:/=
/www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
There are three manuals - one with the r=

egular procedure (taking 30-45 min), one with a short procedure (taking 12-=
20 min) and one with a super-short procedure (taking 5-8 min).
Please fee=
l free to pass this word around to interested people. I hope this informati=
on reaches with Her blessings as many interested souls as possible.
By th=
e way, there is an important solar eclipse in a few hours. It is a great ti=
me to perform pitri tarpanas. Actually, it is a great time to perform many =
spiritual sadhanas.
Best regards,
Narasimha
-----------------------------=
-------------------------------------
Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www=
.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstr=
ologer.org/tarpana
Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom=

Free Jyotis=
h software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
Sri Jagannath Centre (=
SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
---------------------------------=
---------------------------------
External rituals are meant to create the=
internal visualization needed to affect desirable internal changes in the =
long run. For example, one offers a full coconut into fire as poornaahuti (=
complete offering) at the end of a homam (fire ritual). This is symbolic of=
surrendering one's head or ego (sense of I-ness) to god and burning it in =
the fire of wisdom and becoming free from ego. As one keeps engaging in thi=
s act again and again, the visualization becomes stronger and stronger and =
ego is slowly reduced.
One important ritual of Hinduism is tarpana. Tarpa=

na means "satisfying" or "satiating". One acknowledges the debt one has to =
devas (gods), rishis (sages) and pitris (ancestral manes) and tries to sati=
sfy them using this ritual. Just as gods are invoked in fire in a homam, pi=
tris are invoked in water in this ritual, then held in the palm and release=
d in a specific way conducive to freeing them.
One owes a lot to one's pa=

rents and ancestors. In modern scientific terms, one owes all of one's gene=
tic characteristics to one's parents and ancestors. Each ancestor is actual=
ly present in the person as a genetic characteristic. In karmik terms, one =
inherits some karmas of one's parents and ancestors and each ancestor is ac=
tually present in the person as a kaarmik predisposition. The latter approa=
ch obviously extends to multiple lives and some karmik predisposition is in=
herited from the ancestors from a past life too, though they may not be rel=
ated to one in this life.
By thinking of the deceased ancestors with grat=

itude and trying to give them an emancipation, one is actually trying to fr=
ee oneself from various kaarmic predispositions that one has as a result of=
the rina (karmik debt) with several people. One can view this as an extern=
al event of satisfying and emancipating an external entity (a pitri). Alter=
nately, one can view this as an internal event of satisfying and releasing =
an internal kaarmik predisposition. Ultimately, it is the latter. However, =
one needs to externalize first and perform external rituals, while thinking=
of what it means internally. This builds up one's visualization and slowly=
brings about internal changes and eventually the desired internal change i=
tself.
Two external spiritual sadhanas are particularly powerful, useful =

and recommended for every person desirous of fast spiritual progress:
=
1.. Homam (fire ritual): Gods are invoked in fire and satisfied with offeri=
ngs with mantras. Please see the homam website at http://www.VedicAstrologe=
r.org/homam for more. In the long run, a regular practice of this ritual in=
creases the subtle fire burning inside one's subtle body, burns various imp=
ediments to spiritual progress and gives clarity, focus and stability to th=
e mind.
b.. Tarpana (water ritual): Gods, sages and manes are invoked i=
n water and satisfied with emancipation given to them. In the long run, a r=
egular practice of this ritual increases the release of various kaarmik pre=
dispositions and weaknesses that are blocking one's spiritual and material =
progress.
This document describes the procedure of pitri tarpana with the=

relevant mantras using a simple approach. This document is the regular pro=
cedure. There are also documents giving a short procedure and a super-short=
procedure for the benefit of those with time constraints or problem with S=
anskrita language. Download them from http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpan=
a.
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">
<STYLE></STYLE=
>
</HEAD>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now three detailed <STRONG>pitri tarpana =
</STRONG>manuals are available on the internet. They are appropriate even =

for a
novice and explain clearly the details of pitri tarpana. The mantras=
are simple,
the materials needed are few and it does not take too long.</=
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
face=3DArial size=3D2>Homam (fire ritual) and pitri tarpanas (water
ritua=
l) are two of the most important rituals of Hinduism and worth performing
=
regularly. They cleanse a person, remove various obstacles in material and =
spiritual lives and speed up spiritual evolution. An aspirant desiring spi=

ritual
progress should take advantage of them regularly. More about the ph=
ilosophy of
pitri tarpana is explained below, where I reproduced an extrac=
t from the
manual.</FONT></DIV>
ONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Please download the manuals fro=
m</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><F=
ONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpan=
a">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ther=
e are <STRONG>three </STRONG>manuals - one with
the <STRONG>regular </STRO=
NG>procedure (taking 30-45 min), one with a
<STRONG>short </STRONG>procedu=
re (taking 12-20 min) and one with a
<STRONG>super-short </STRONG>procedur=
e (taking 5-8 min).</FONT></DIV>
ONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Please <STRONG>feel free to pas=
s this word around
</STRONG>to interested people. I hope this information =
reaches with Her
blessings as many interested souls as possible.</FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
Arial size=3D2>By the way, there is an important solar eclipse in
a few ho=
urs. It is a great time to perform pitri tarpanas. Actually, it is a
great=
time to perform many spiritual sadhanas.</FONT></DIV>
reg=
ards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>-----------------------------------------------------=
-------------<BR>Do
a Short Homam Yourself: <A
trologer.org/homam">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</A><BR>Do
Pitri T=
arpanas Yourself: <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana">http:=
//www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana</A><BR>Spirituality:
<A
href=3D"http://=
groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wi=
sdom</A><BR>Free
href=3D"http://vedicastro.home=
.comcast.net">http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net</A><BR>Free
Jyotish softw=
are (Windows): <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org">http://www.Vedic=
Astrologer.org</A><BR>Sri
href=3D"http=
://www.SriJagannath.org">http://www.SriJagannath.org</A><BR>---------------=
--------------------------------------------------- </FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
><FONT size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify><FONT face=3DArial>External rituals are=
meant to create the
internal visualization needed to affect desirable int=
ernal changes in the long
run. For example, one offers a full coconut into=
fire as poornaahuti (complete
offering) at the end of a homam (fire ritua=
l). This is symbolic of surrendering
one=92s head or ego (sense of I-ness)=
to god and burning it in the fire of wisdom
and becoming free from ego. A=
s one keeps engaging in this act again and again,
the visualization become=
s stronger and stronger and ego is slowly
reduced.</FONT></P>
<P align=3Dj=
ustify><FONT face=3DArial></FONT></P>
<P align=3Djustify><FONT face=3DArial=
>One important ritual of Hinduism is tarpana.
Tarpana means "satisfying" o=
r "satiating". One acknowledges the debt one has to
devas (gods), rishis (=
sages) and pitris (ancestral manes) and tries to satisfy
them using this r=
itual. Just as gods are invoked in fire in a homam, pitris are
invoked in =
water in this ritual, then held in the palm and released in a
specific way=
conducive to freeing them.</FONT></P>
<P align=3Djustify><FONT face=3DAria=
l></FONT></P>
<P align=3Djustify><FONT face=3DArial>One owes a lot to one=
=92s parents and ancestors.
In modern scientific terms, one owes all of on=
e=92s genetic characteristics to
one=92s parents and ancestors. Each ances=
tor is actually present in the person as
a genetic characteristic. In karm=
ik terms, one inherits some karmas of one=92s
parents and ancestors and ea=
ch ancestor is actually present in the person as a
kaarmik predisposition.=
The latter approach obviously extends to multiple lives
and some karmik p=
redisposition is inherited from the ancestors from a past life
too, though=
they may not be related to one in this life.</FONT></P>
<P align=3Djustify=
><FONT face=3DArial></FONT></P>
<P align=3Djustify><FONT face=3DArial>By th=
inking of the deceased ancestors with
gratitude and trying to give them an=
emancipation, one is actually trying to
free oneself from various kaarmic=
predispositions that one has as a result of
the rina (karmik debt) with s=
everal people. One can view this as an external
event of satisfying and em=
ancipating an external entity (a pitri). Alternately,
one can view this as=
an internal event of satisfying and releasing an internal
kaarmik predisp=
osition. Ultimately, it is the latter. However, one needs to
externalize f=
irst and perform external rituals, while thinking of what it means
interna=
lly. This builds up one=92s visualization and slowly brings about internal =
changes and eventually the desired internal change itself.</FONT></P>

<P a=
lign=3Djustify><FONT face=3DArial></FONT></P>
<P align=3Djustify><FONT face=
=3DArial>Two external spiritual sadhanas are
particularly powerful, useful=
and recommended for every person desirous of fast
spiritual progress:</FO=
NT></P>
<P align=3Djustify><FONT face=3DArial></FONT></P>
<OL>
<P align=
=3Djustify><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>
<LI><FONT face=3DArial>Homam (fire =
ritual): Gods are invoked in fire and
satisfied with offerings with mant=
ras. Please see the homam website at
</FONT></FONT><A href=3D"http://www=
.VedicAstrologer.org/homam"><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://www.Vedic=
Astrologer.org/homam</FONT></A><FONT size=3D2><FONT
face=3DArial> for mo=
re. In the long run, a regular practice of this ritual
increases the sub=
tle fire burning inside one=92s subtle body, burns various
impediments t=
o spiritual progress and gives clarity, focus and stability to
the mind.=
</FONT></LI>
<P><FONT face=3DArial></FONT></P>
<P align=3Djustify><FONT=
face=3DArial></FONT>
<LI><FONT face=3DArial>Tarpana (water ritual): Gods=
, sages and manes are invoked
in water and satisfied with emancipation g=
iven to them. In the long run, a
regular practice of this ritual increas=
es the release of various kaarmik
predispositions and weaknesses that ar=
e blocking one=92s spiritual and material
progress.</FONT></LI>
<P><FO=
NT face=3DArial></FONT></P></OL>
<P align=3Djustify><FONT face=3DArial></FO=
NT></P>
<P align=3Djustify><FONT face=3DArial>This document describes the p=
rocedure of pitri
tarpana with the relevant mantras using a simple approac=
h. This document is the
<B>regular procedure</B>. There are also documents=
giving a <B>short
procedure</B> and a <B>super-short procedure</B> for th=
e benefit of those with
time constraints or problem with Sanskrita languag=
e. Download them from
</FONT></FONT><A href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.=
org/tarpana"><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/ta=
rpana</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>.</FONT></P>
<P align=3Djustif=
y><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT
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I have tried a few times to download t=

he Chandi Homa manual, but the file is corrupted and won't open. I see that=
someone on the Sohamsa list had the same problem, hopefully you could uplo=
ad it again.
Thank you so much. I attended a wonderful Sudarshana abihishe=
kam and homa yesterday at a temple in San Jose, and look forward to startin=
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Namaste Willa,
The file is alright. I downloaded it from the website to m=

y office PC and my home PC. It opened fine and looks correct on both PCs. S=
o the file itself must be ok. Both my office and home PCs have Adobe Acroba=
t Reader 8.
I am wondering if you and others who complained on other list=

s have an older version and my file requires a newer version. What is your =
Adobe Acrobat version? Can you try downloading the latest Acrobat? The link=
to download the latest Adbobe Acrobat Reader (I think version 9) is on the=
same homam manual page.
BTW, it is a good idea to do something simple li=

ke Mahaganapathi homam first before someone attempts Chandi homam.
Best r=
egards,
Narasimha
---------------------------------------------------------=
---------
Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
D=
o Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
Spiritual=
ity: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):=
Free Jyotish software (Windows): http:/=
/www.VedicAstrologer.org
Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.Sri=
Jagannath.org
-------------------------------------------------------------=
-----

From: Willa Keizer, C.C.H.
To:=
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 12:24 PM
S=
ubject: [vedic-wisdom] Chandi Homa Manual
Om Gurave Namah
Namaste Na=
rasimha,
I have tried a few times to download the Chandi Homa manual, bu=
t the file is corrupted and won't open. I see that someone on the Sohamsa l=
ist had the same problem, hopefully you could upload it again.
Thank you=
so much. I attended a wonderful Sudarshana abihishekam and homa yesterday =
at a temple in San Jose, and look forward to starting to do homas for mysel=
f.
Blessings,
Willa
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> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The file is alright. =
I downloaded it from the
website to my office PC and my home PC. It opened=
fine and looks correct on both
PCs. So the file itself must be ok. Both m=
y office and home PCs have Adobe
Acrobat Reader 8.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
>I am wondering if you and others who complained on
other lists have an ol=
der version and my file requires a newer version. What is
your Adobe Acrob=
at version? Can you try downloading the latest Acrobat?
</FONT><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>The link to download the latest Adbobe Acrobat
Reader (I=
think version 9) is on the same homam manual page.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
>BTW, it is a good idea to do something simple like
Mahaganapathi homam fi=
rst before someone attempts Chandi homam.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------=
------------------------------------------------------------<BR>Do
a Short=
Homam Yourself: <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam">http://w=
ww.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</A><BR>Do
Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <A
href=
=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/=
tarpana</A><BR>Spirituality:
<A
href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ved=
ic-wisdom">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom</A><BR>Free
Jyotish =
lessons (MP3): <A
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astro.home.comcast.net</A><BR>Free
href=3D=
"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org</A><BR>Sri =

href=3D"http://www.SriJagannath.org">h=
ttp://www.SriJagannath.org</A><BR>-----------------------------------------=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have tried a few =
times to download the Chandi
Homa manual, but the file is corrupted and =
won't open. I see that someone on
the Sohamsa list had the same problem,=
hopefully you could upload it
again.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thank =
you so much. I attended a wonderful
Sudarshana abihishekam and homa yest=
erday at a temple in San Jose, and look
forward to starting to do homas =
for myself.</FONT></DIV>
DIV>
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T face=3DArial size=3D2>Willa</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Namaste Narasimha,
You're right of course, my Acrobat reader was an older =

version which opened the other homas but not the Chandi homa. Version 9 wo=
rks great.
Thanks for the advice about starting with the Maha Ganapathi ho=
man. I'll do that.
Blessings,
Willa

Fr=
om: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao
Cc: sohamsa=
@yahoogroups.com ; VEDIC-AStrology@yahoogroups.com ; JyotishGroup@yahoogrou=
ps.com
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] R=
e: Chandi Homa Manual
Namaste Willa,
The file is alright. I downloa=

ded it from the website to my office PC and my home PC. It opened fine and =
looks correct on both PCs. So the file itself must be ok. Both my office an=
d home PCs have Adobe Acrobat Reader 8.
I am wondering if you and others=

who complained on other lists have an older version and my file requires a=
newer version. What is your Adobe Acrobat version? Can you try downloading=
the latest Acrobat? The link to download the latest Adbobe Acrobat Reader =
(I think version 9) is on the same homam manual page.
BTW, it is a good =
idea to do something simple like Mahaganapathi homam first before someone a=
ttempts Chandi homam.
Best regards,
Narasimha
----------------------=
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ttp://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
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w.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group=
/vedic-wisdom
Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.=
net
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From: Willa Keizer, C.C.H.
To: vedic-wisdom@yahoog=
roups.com
Subject: [vedic-w=
isdom] Chandi Homa Manual
Om Gurave Namah
Namaste Narasimha,
=
I have tried a few times to download the Chandi Homa manual, but the file=
is corrupted and won't open. I see that someone on the Sohamsa list had th=
e same problem, hopefully you could upload it again.
Thank you so much=

. I attended a wonderful Sudarshana abihishekam and homa yesterday at a tem=
ple in San Jose, and look forward to starting to do homas for myself.
=
Blessings,
Willa
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You're right of course, my Acroba=
t reader was an
older version which opened the other homas but not the Cha=
ndi homa.
Version 9 works great.</FONT></DIV>
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Ganapathi homan. I'll do that.</FO=
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V style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dvedic-wisdom@yahoogroups=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [vedic-wisdom] Re:=
Chandi Homa
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<P>=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Namaste Willa,</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FON=
=3D2>The file is alright. I downloaded it from the
website to my office =
PC and my home PC. It opened fine and looks correct on
both PCs. So the =
file itself must be ok. Both my office and home PCs have
Adobe Acrobat R=
eader 8.</FONT></DIV>
>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am wondering if you and others who c=
omplained
on other lists have an older version and my file requires a ne=
wer version.
What is your Adobe Acrobat version? Can you try downloading=
the latest
Acrobat? </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The link to down=
load the latest Adbobe
Acrobat Reader (I think version 9) is on the same=
homam manual
page.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FO=
NT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>BTW, it is a good idea t=
o do something simple
like Mahaganapathi homam first before someone atte=
mpts Chandi
homam.</FONT></DIV>
T> </DIV>
<DIV>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------<WBR>---=
------<WBR>---------<WBR>---------<WBR>---------<WBR>---------<WBR>--------=
-<BR>Do
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer=
.org/homam">http://www.VedicAst<WBR>rologer.org/<WBR>homam</A><BR>Do
Pit=
ri Tarpanas Yourself: <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana"=
>http://www.VedicAst<WBR>rologer.org/<WBR>tarpana</A><BR>Spirituality:
<=
A
href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom">http://groups.<WBR=
>yahoo.com/<WBR>group/vedic-<WBR>wisdom</A><BR>Free
Jyotish lessons (MP3=
): <A
href=3D"http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net">http://vedicastro.<WBR=
>home.comcast.<WBR>net</A><BR>Free
hre=
f=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org">http://www.VedicAst<WBR>rologer.org</A=
><BR>Sri
href=3D"http://www.SriJag=
annath.org">http://www.SriJagan<WBR>nath.org</A><BR>------------<WBR>------=
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ze=3D2>Namaste Narasimha,</FONT></DIV>
></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have tried a fe=
w times to download the Chandi
Homa manual, but the file is corrupted =
and won't open. I see that someone on
the Sohamsa list had the same pr=
oblem, hopefully you could upload it
again.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FON=
e=3D2>Thank you so much. I attended a wonderful
Sudarshana abihishekam=
and homa yesterday at a temple in San Jose, and look
forward to start=
ing to do homas for myself.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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Namaste,
I will suggest just before sunrise, around 6 am. Vargottama Sun =

in lagna and Jupiter in 5th is good. Ketu will be in 12th. Guru hora will b=
e running. Go for it.
The best source for homa kundam is on indousplaza.c=

om. Go to "religious and pooja" and "copper articles". "Copper Hawan Kund #=
1" is perfect for a homam at home and many people I know are using it in US=
in their homes and apartments successfully. Direct link is below. These gu=
ys are very fast with shipping and ship from NJ/NY.
http://www.indousplaz=
a.com/copper-hawan-kund-p-4818.html?cat=3D8&cPath=3D8_188&osCsid=3D2c0a3523=
d584bb82048157574b8e315f
In fact, I keep a stock of this and gift to peop=

le who are interested. If you live near Boston and can come to my house in =
Grafton, I can actually gift one to you. I can also drop it off somewhere o=
n my way to work (in Andover).
Slowly more and more people are doing a da=

ily or weekly homam from around the world. When this reaches a critical mas=
s, it will be good for the world and for sanatana dharma. However, we are n=
ot in a hurry and not forcing anyone. But the mails I get now and then from=
people who started recently are really touching and inspiring. One person =
wrote that he has a spiritual master and went to him for advice, showed the=
manual and asked whether or not he should do it. Look at his faith in his =
master! The master read it and said "go ahead and do it. Actually, you know=
what, I will also do it. Give me the manual" and both started doing it.
=
Best regards,
Narasimha
---------------------------------------------------=
---------------
Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/h=
omam
Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
Spi=
rituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
Free Jyotish lessons =
Free Jyotish software (Windows): =
Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://w=
ww.SriJagannath.org
-------------------------------------------------------=
-----------
--- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "Reema Patel Sriganesh" <ree=

ma_sriganesh@...> wrote:
>
> || Hare Rama Krushna ||
>
> Namaskaar Narasim=
ha Ji,
>
> I never knew that one can do Pitri Tarpana with parents still a=
live. But
> I am very happy to find out about this.
>
> About the Homam, y=
esterday was the first time I read the Ganapati Homam
> manual on your Webs=
ite. I know that you have made it available for quite
> some time. But as f=
ate would have it, I browsed through it for the first
> time yesterday (I h=
ave wanted to do Ganapati Homam for a long time, and
> always thought that =
I'd begin doing it after moving to India. So it was
> about time). So anywa=
y, I was so touched by your kindest offer of
> serving as a Guru for the Ho=
mam for those of us not properly initiated
> into Homam that it alone made =
me want to begin Ganapati Homam in the
> immediate future.
>
> So, with yo=
ur blessings, I pray to begin the Homam for Sri MahaGanapati
> come this Ga=
nesha Chaturthi at 6AM or 12 PM IST. I am still debating
> between the two =
Muhurta (6AM Muhurta is a nice morning Muhurta but has
> retrograde Jupiter=
in the 5th, whereas 12 PM Muhurta has panchanga
> dosha). If you have band=
width, kindly do reply with your take on the two
> Muhurta. My biggest worr=
y is sourcing the Homam Kunda on time before
> Ganesha Chaturthi.
>
> May =
Sri Vishnu bless us all,
> Reema.
>
> --- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "Nar=
asimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@> wrote:
> >
> > Namaste Reema ji,
> >
> > Pitri Ta=
rpanam is not done just for one's own parents of this life.
> One can do it=
for grandparents, great grand parents etc. One can even do
> it without ta=
king specific names also, i.e. for all people one has a
> debt to.
> >
> > =
Another thing... One's mother or father of past life may be suffering
> som=
ewhere and that may be blocking one karmikally now. So many things
> are th=
ere.
> >
> > In the old days, pitri tarpanas were a regular sadhana item, e=
ven for
> people with living parents and grandparents.
> >
> > I can assure=
you that a regular practice of homam and tarpanam are
> enough to transfor=
m a person spiritually. If 30 min can be spent
> everyday on a homam and 20=
minutes every weekend on a tarpana, it can
> make a tremendous difference.=
> >
> > Satya Narayana vrata manual is on my mind. I will create 3 version=
s -
> regular, short and super-short. But there are some customized homam
>=
manuals to go out first. My main task for now is to enable a bunch of
> fi=
re worshippers who perform homam everyday. I do not care which god or
> whi=
ch homam. I need to offer homam manuals for more gods. But I will get
> to =
Satya Narayana vrata also. Just have some patience.
> >
> > Best regards,
>=
> Narasimha
> > ----------------------------------------------------------=
--------
> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homa=
m
> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
> =
> > Free Jyotish=
> > Free Jyotish softwar=
> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) =
> > ----------------------------------=
--------------------------------
> >
> > --- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "R=
eema Patel Sriganesh"
> reema_sriganesh@ wrote:
> > >
> > > || Hare Rama Kr=
ushna ||
> > >
> > > Namaskaar Narasimha Ji,
> > >
> > > Thank you so very =
much for this sharing of Vedic rituals! With God's
> > > blessings my fathe=
r and mother (in-law) are still with me, but I am
> > > happy to know that =
in the event we have to do Tarpanam, that we'll
> be
> > > able to do so wi=
th the knowledge you've shared.
> > >
> > > Kindly take into consideration =
my earlier request of publishing Sri
> > > Satya Narayana Vrata manual. As =
you know the Vrata is done
> differently
> > > by different people, and Ska=
nda Purana provides a very general
> guideline
> > > of how to do the Vrata=
, especially of Pujas to be performed on that
> day.
> > > Hence, I look up=
to you to show us the proper way to the best of
> your
> > > knowledge.
> =
> >
> > > Best wishes.
> > >
> > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,
> > > Reema=
.
> > >
> > > --- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>=
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Namaste friends,
> > > >
> > > > Now three detailed=
pitri tarpana manuals are available on the
> > > internet. They are approp=
riate even for a novice and explain clearly
> the
> > > details of pitri ta=
rpana. The mantras are simple, the materials
> needed
> > > are few and it =
does not take too long.
> > > >
> > > > Homam (fire ritual) and pitri tarpa=
nas (water ritual) are two of
> the
> > > most important rituals of Hinduis=
m and worth performing regularly.
> They
> > > cleanse a person, remove var=
ious obstacles in material and spiritual
> > > lives and speed up spiritual=
evolution. An aspirant desiring
> spiritual
> > > progress should take adv=
antage of them regularly. More about the
> > > philosophy of pitri tarpana =
is explained below, where I reproduced
> an
> > > extract from the manual.
=
> > > >
> > > > Please download the manuals from
> > > >
> > > > http://www=
.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
> > > >
> > > > There are three manuals - one =
with the regular procedure (taking
> 30-45
> > > min), one with a short pro=
cedure (taking 12-20 min) and one with a
> > > super-short procedure (takin=
g 5-8 min).
> > > >
> > > > Please feel free to pass this word around to in=
terested people. I
> hope
> > > this information reaches with Her blessings=
as many interested souls
> as
> > > possible.
> > > >
> > > > By the way, =
there is an important solar eclipse in a few hours. It
> is
> > > a great t=
ime to perform pitri tarpanas. Actually, it is a great time
> to
> > > perf=
orm many spiritual sadhanas.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Narasimh=
a
> > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------=
-
> > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
>=
> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
>=
> > > Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
> > > > Fre=
> > > > Free Jy=
> > > > Sri Jagann=
ath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
> > > > -------------=
-----------------------------------------------------
> > > > External ritu=
als are meant to create the internal visualization
> needed
> > > to affect=
desirable internal changes in the long run. For example,
> one
> > > offer=
s a full coconut into fire as poornaahuti (complete offering)
> at
> > > th=
e end of a homam (fire ritual). This is symbolic of surrendering
> one's
> =
> > head or ego (sense of I-ness) to god and burning it in the fire of
> > =
> wisdom and becoming free from ego. As one keeps engaging in this act
> > =
> again and again, the visualization becomes stronger and stronger and
> eg=
o
> > > is slowly reduced.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > One important ritual of =
Hinduism is tarpana. Tarpana means
> > > "satisfying" or "satiating". One a=
cknowledges the debt one has to
> devas
> > > (gods), rishis (sages) and pi=
tris (ancestral manes) and tries to
> satisfy
> > > them using this ritual.=
Just as gods are invoked in fire in a homam,
> > > pitris are invoked in w=
ater in this ritual, then held in the palm
> and
> > > released in a specif=
ic way conducive to freeing them.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > One owes a lot to=
one's parents and ancestors. In modern
> scientific
> > > terms, one owes =
all of one's genetic characteristics to one's
> parents
> > > and ancestors=
. Each ancestor is actually present in the person as a
> > > genetic charac=
teristic. In karmik terms, one inherits some karmas of
> > > one's parents =
and ancestors and each ancestor is actually present in
> the
> > > person a=
s a kaarmik predisposition. The latter approach obviously
> > > extends to =
multiple lives and some karmik predisposition is
> inherited
> > > from the=
ancestors from a past life too, though they may not be
> related
> > > to =
one in this life.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > By thinking of the deceased ances=
tors with gratitude and trying to
> > > give them an emancipation, one is a=
ctually trying to free oneself
> from
> > > various kaarmic predispositions=
that one has as a result of the rina
> > > (karmik debt) with several peop=
le. One can view this as an external
> > > event of satisfying and emancipa=
ting an external entity (a pitri).
> > > Alternately, one can view this as =
an internal event of satisfying
> and
> > > releasing an internal kaarmik p=
redisposition. Ultimately, it is the
> > > latter. However, one needs to ex=
ternalize first and perform external
> > > rituals, while thinking of what =
it means internally. This builds up
> > > one's visualization and slowly br=
ings about internal changes and
> > > eventually the desired internal chang=
e itself.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Two external spiritual sadhanas are parti=
cularly powerful, useful
> and
> > > recommended for every person desirous =
of fast spiritual progress:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 1.. Homam (fi=
re ritual): Gods are invoked in fire and satisfied
> with
> > > offerings w=
ith mantras. Please see the homam website at
> > > http://www.VedicAstrolog=
er.org/homam for more. In the long run, a
> > > regular practice of this ri=
tual increases the subtle fire burning
> inside
> > > one's subtle body, bu=
rns various impediments to spiritual progress
> and
> > > gives clarity, fo=
cus and stability to the mind.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > b.. Tarpana (water=
ritual): Gods, sages and manes are invoked in
> > > water and satisfied wi=
th emancipation given to them. In the long
> run, a
> > > regular practice =
of this ritual increases the release of various
> kaarmik
> > > predisposit=
ions and weaknesses that are blocking one's spiritual and
> > > material pr=
ogress.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This document describes the procedure of pi=
tri tarpana with the
> > > relevant mantras using a simple approach. This d=
ocument is the
> regular
> > > procedure. There are also documents giving a=
short procedure and a
> > > super-short procedure for the benefit of those=
with time constraints
> or
> > > problem with Sanskrita language. Download=
them from
> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana.
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<DIV><F=
ONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I will suggest just before sunrise, around 6 am. =
Vargottama Sun in lagna and Jupiter in 5th is good. Ketu will be in 12th. =
Guru
hora will be running. Go for it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The best sou=
rce for homa kundam is on
indousplaza.com. Go to "religious and pooja" and=
"copper articles". "Copper
Hawan Kund #1" is perfect for a homam at home =
and many people I know are using
it in US in their homes and apartments su=
ccessfully. Direct link is below. These
guys are very fast with shipping a=
nd ship from NJ/NY.</FONT></DIV>
ONT></DIV>
href=3D"http://www.indouspl=
aza.com/copper-hawan-kund-p-4818.html?cat=3D8&cPath=3D8_188&osCsid=
=3D2c0a3523d584bb82048157574b8e315f">http://www.indousplaza.com/copper-hawa=
n-kund-p-4818.html?cat=3D8&cPath=3D8_188&osCsid=3D2c0a3523d584bb820=
48157574b8e315f</A></FONT></DIV>
ONT></DIV>
=3D2>In fact, I keep a stock of this and gift to people
who are interested=
. If you live near Boston and can come to my house in Grafton,
I can actua=
lly gift one to you. I can also drop it off somewhere on my way to
work (i=
n Andover).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Slowly more and more people=
are doing a daily or weekly homam from
around the world. When this r=
eaches a critical mass, it will be good for the
world and for sanatana dha=
rma. However, we are not in a hurry and not forcing
anyone. But the m=
ails I get now and then from people who started recently
are really touchi=
ng and inspiring. One person wrote that he has a spiritual
master and went=
to him for advice, showed the manual and asked whether or
not he sho=
uld do it. Look at his faith in his master! The master read it and
said "g=
o ahead and do it. Actually, you know what, I will also do it. Give me
the=
manual" and both started doing it.</DIV></FONT></DIV>
reg=
ards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>-----------------------------------------------------=
-------------<BR>Do
trologer.org/homam">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</A><BR>Do
Pitri T=
arpanas Yourself: <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana">http:=
//www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana</A><BR>Spirituality:
<A
href=3D"http://=
groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wi=
sdom</A><BR>Free
href=3D"http://vedicastro.home=
.comcast.net">http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net</A><BR>Free
Jyotish softw=
are (Windows): <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org">http://www.Vedic=
Astrologer.org</A><BR>Sri
href=3D"http=
://www.SriJagannath.org">http://www.SriJagannath.org</A><BR>---------------=
---------------------------------------------------
<BR> </FONT></DIV=
>
href=3D"mailto:sohamsa@yahoog=
roups.com">sohamsa@yahoogroups.com</A>, "Reema Patel
Sriganesh" <reema_=
sriganesh@...> wrote:<BR>><BR>> || Hare Rama
Krushna ||<BR>> <=
BR>> Namaskaar Narasimha Ji,<BR>> <BR>> I never
knew that one can=
do Pitri Tarpana with parents still alive. But<BR>> I am
very happy to=
find out about this.<BR>> <BR>> About the Homam, yesterday
was the =
first time I read the Ganapati Homam<BR>> manual on your Website. I
kno=
w that you have made it available for quite<BR>> some time. But as fate =
would have it, I browsed through it for the first<BR>> time yesterday (=
I have
wanted to do Ganapati Homam for a long time, and<BR>> always tho=
ught that I'd
begin doing it after moving to India. So it was<BR>> abou=
t time). So anyway,
I was so touched by your kindest offer of<BR>> serv=
ing as a Guru for the
Homam for those of us not properly initiated<BR>>=
into Homam that it alone
made me want to begin Ganapati Homam in the<BR>&=
gt; immediate future.<BR>>
<BR>> So, with your blessings, I pray to =
begin the Homam for Sri
MahaGanapati<BR>> come this Ganesha Chaturthi a=
t 6AM or 12 PM IST. I am still
debating<BR>> between the two Muhurta (6=
AM Muhurta is a nice morning Muhurta
but has<BR>> retrograde Jupiter in=
the 5th, whereas 12 PM Muhurta has
panchanga<BR>> dosha). If you have =
bandwidth, kindly do reply with your take
on the two<BR>> Muhurta. My b=
iggest worry is sourcing the Homam Kunda on time
before<BR>> Ganesha Ch=
aturthi.<BR>> <BR>> May Sri Vishnu bless us
all,<BR>> Reema.<BR>&=
gt; <BR>> --- In <A
oogroups.com</A>, "Narasimha
P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@> wrote:<BR>> ><=
BR>> > Namaste Reema
ji,<BR>> ><BR>> > Pitri Tarpanam is=
not done just for one's own
parents of this life.<BR>> One can do it f=
or grandparents, great grand
parents etc. One can even do<BR>> it witho=
ut taking specific names also, i.e.
for all people one has a<BR>> debt =
to.<BR>> ><BR>> > Another
thing... One's mother or father of p=
ast life may be suffering<BR>> somewhere
and that may be blocking one k=
armikally now. So many things<BR>> are
there.<BR>> ><BR>> >=
In the old days, pitri tarpanas were a regular
sadhana item, even for<BR>=
> people with living parents and
grandparents.<BR>> ><BR>> >=
; I can assure you that a regular practice
of homam and tarpanam are<BR>&g=
t; enough to transform a person spiritually. If
30 min can be spent<BR>>=
; everyday on a homam and 20 minutes every weekend on
a tarpana, it can<BR=
>> make a tremendous difference.<BR>> ><BR>>
> Satya Naraya=
na vrata manual is on my mind. I will create 3 versions
-<BR>> regular,=
short and super-short. But there are some customized
homam<BR>> manual=
s to go out first. My main task for now is to enable a bunch
of<BR>> fi=
re worshippers who perform homam everyday. I do not care which god
or<BR>&=
gt; which homam. I need to offer homam manuals for more gods. But I will
g=
et<BR>> to Satya Narayana vrata also. Just have some patience.<BR>>
=
><BR>> > Best regards,<BR>> > Narasimha<BR>> >
------=
------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> >
=
Do a Short Homam Yourself: <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam=
">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</A><BR>>
> Do Pitri Tarpanas =
Yourself: <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana">http://www.Ve=
dicAstrologer.org/tarpana</A><BR>>
> Spirituality: <A
href=3D"http:=
wisdom</A><BR>>
href=3D"http://ved=
icastro.home.comcast.net">http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net</A><BR>>
&=
gt; Free Jyotish software (Windows): <A
.org">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org</A><BR>>
> Sri Jagannath Centre=
(SJC) website: <A
href=3D"http://www.SriJagannath.org">http://www.SriJaga=
nnath.org</A><BR>> >
-----------------------------------------------=
-------------------<BR>>
><BR>> > --- In <A
href=3D"mailto:so=
hamsa@yahoogroups.com">sohamsa@yahoogroups.com</A>, "Reema Patel
Sriganesh=
"<BR>> reema_sriganesh@ wrote:<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
|| H=
are Rama Krushna ||<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Namaskaar Narasimha=
Ji,<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Thank you so very much for this s=
haring
of Vedic rituals! With God's<BR>> > > blessings my father =
and mother
(in-law) are still with me, but I am<BR>> > > happy to=
know that in the
event we have to do Tarpanam, that we'll<BR>> be<BR>&=
gt; > > able to do
so with the knowledge you've shared.<BR>> >=
><BR>> > > Kindly
take into consideration my earlier request =
of publishing Sri<BR>> > >
Satya Narayana Vrata manual. As you kn=
ow the Vrata is done<BR>>
differently<BR>> > > by different pe=
ople, and Skanda Purana provides a
very general<BR>> guideline<BR>> =
> > of how to do the Vrata,
especially of Pujas to be performed on t=
hat<BR>> day.<BR>> > >
Hence, I look up to you to show us the =
proper way to the best of<BR>>
your<BR>> > > knowledge.<BR>>=
; > ><BR>> > > Best
wishes.<BR>> > ><BR>> > =
> May Sri Vishnu bless us all,<BR>>
> > Reema.<BR>> > &g=
t;<BR>> > > --- In <A
href=3D"mailto:sohamsa@yahoogroups.com">soh=
amsa@yahoogroups.com</A>, "Narasimha
P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@> wrote:<BR>&g=
t; > > ><BR>> > > >
Namaste friends,<BR>> > >=
; ><BR>> > > > Now three
detailed pitri tarpana manuals are=
available on the<BR>> > > internet.
They are appropriate even fo=
r a novice and explain clearly<BR>> the<BR>>
> > details of pi=
tri tarpana. The mantras are simple, the
materials<BR>> needed<BR>> =
> > are few and it does not take too
long.<BR>> > > ><BR=
>> > > > Homam (fire ritual) and
pitri tarpanas (water ritual)=
are two of<BR>> the<BR>> > > most
important rituals of Hindui=
sm and worth performing regularly.<BR>>
They<BR>> > > cleanse =
a person, remove various obstacles in material
and spiritual<BR>> > =
> lives and speed up spiritual evolution. An
aspirant desiring<BR>> =
spiritual<BR>> > > progress should take
advantage of them regular=
ly. More about the<BR>> > > philosophy of
pitri tarpana is explai=
ned below, where I reproduced<BR>> an<BR>> >
> extract from th=
e manual.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > >
Please download th=
e manuals from<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > >
<A
href=3D"h=
ttp://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpa=
na</A><BR>>
> > ><BR>> > > > There are three manua=
ls - one with the
regular procedure (taking<BR>> 30-45<BR>> > >=
; min), one with a short
procedure (taking 12-20 min) and one with a<BR>&g=
t; > > super-short
procedure (taking 5-8 min).<BR>> > > >=
;<BR>> > > > Please
feel free to pass this word around to inte=
rested people. I<BR>> hope<BR>>
> > this information reaches w=
ith Her blessings as many interested
souls<BR>> as<BR>> > > po=
ssible.<BR>> > > ><BR>> >
> > By the way, there is=
an important solar eclipse in a few hours.
It<BR>> is<BR>> > >=
; a great time to perform pitri tarpanas.
Actually, it is a great time<BR>=
> to<BR>> > > perform many spiritual
sadhanas.<BR>> > &g=
t; ><BR>> > > > Best regards,<BR>>
> > > Narasi=
mha<BR>> > > >
-----------------------------------------------=
-------------------<BR>> >
> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: <A
=
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam">http://www.VedicAstrologer.or=
g/homam</A><BR>>
> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <A
href=3D=
"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tar=
pana</A><BR>>
> > > Spirituality: <A
href=3D"http://groups.ya=
hoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom</A><=
BR>>
> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <A
href=3D"http://vedi=
castro.home.comcast.net">http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net</A><BR>>
&g=
t; > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicA=
strologer.org">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org</A><BR>>
> > > S=
ri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <A
href=3D"http://www.SriJagannath.org"=
>http://www.SriJagannath.org</A><BR>> >
> >
-----------------=
-------------------------------------------------<BR>> >
> > E=
xternal rituals are meant to create the internal
visualization<BR>> nee=
ded<BR>> > > to affect desirable internal
changes in the long run=
. For example,<BR>> one<BR>> > > offers a
full coconut into fi=
re as poornaahuti (complete offering)<BR>> at<BR>>
> > the end=
of a homam (fire ritual). This is symbolic of
surrendering<BR>> one's<=
BR>> > > head or ego (sense of I-ness) to
god and burning it in t=
he fire of<BR>> > > wisdom and becoming free
from ego. As one kee=
ps engaging in this act<BR>> > > again and again,
the visualizati=
on becomes stronger and stronger and<BR>> ego<BR>> >
> is slow=
ly reduced.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>>
> >=
; > One important ritual of Hinduism is tarpana. Tarpana
means<BR>> =
> > "satisfying" or "satiating". One acknowledges the debt
one has t=
o<BR>> devas<BR>> > > (gods), rishis (sages) and pitris
(ances=
tral manes) and tries to<BR>> satisfy<BR>> > > them using this =
ritual. Just as gods are invoked in fire in a homam,<BR>> > > pit=
ris
are invoked in water in this ritual, then held in the palm<BR>> and=
<BR>>
> > released in a specific way conducive to freeing them.<B=
R>> >
> ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > One ow=
es a lot to one's
parents and ancestors. In modern<BR>> scientific<BR>&=
gt; > > terms, one
owes all of one's genetic characteristics to one'=
s<BR>> parents<BR>> >
> and ancestors. Each ancestor is actual=
ly present in the person as a<BR>>
> > genetic characteristic. In=
karmik terms, one inherits some karmas
of<BR>> > > one's parents=
and ancestors and each ancestor is actually
present in<BR>> the<BR>>=
; > > person as a kaarmik predisposition. The
latter approach obviou=
sly<BR>> > > extends to multiple lives and some
karmik predisposi=
tion is<BR>> inherited<BR>> > > from the ancestors
from a past=
life too, though they may not be<BR>> related<BR>> > >
to one=
in this life.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> >
=
> > By thinking of the deceased ancestors with gratitude and trying
=
to<BR>> > > give them an emancipation, one is actually trying to f=
ree
oneself<BR>> from<BR>> > > various kaarmic predispositions=
that one
has as a result of the rina<BR>> > > (karmik debt) with=
several people.
One can view this as an external<BR>> > > event =
of satisfying and
emancipating an external entity (a pitri).<BR>> > =
> Alternately, one
can view this as an internal event of satisfying<BR>=
> and<BR>> > >
releasing an internal kaarmik predisposition. U=
ltimately, it is the<BR>> >
> latter. However, one needs to exter=
nalize first and perform
external<BR>> > > rituals, while thinkin=
g of what it means internally.
This builds up<BR>> > > one's visu=
alization and slowly brings about
internal changes and<BR>> > > e=
ventually the desired internal change
itself.<BR>> > > ><BR>&g=
t; > > ><BR>> > > > Two
external spiritual sadhanas a=
re particularly powerful, useful<BR>>
and<BR>> > > recommended=
for every person desirous of fast spiritual
progress:<BR>> > > &=
gt;<BR>> > > ><BR>> > >
><BR>> > > >&n=
bsp; 1.. Homam (fire ritual): Gods are
invoked in fire and satisfied=
<BR>> with<BR>> > > offerings with
mantras. Please see the hom=
am website at<BR>> > > <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/=
homam">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</A>
for more. In the long run,=
a<BR>> > > regular practice of this ritual
increases the subtle =
fire burning<BR>> inside<BR>> > > one's subtle
body, burns var=
ious impediments to spiritual progress<BR>> and<BR>> >
> gives=
clarity, focus and stability to the mind.<BR>> > >
><BR>> =
> > ><BR>> > > > b.. Tarpana
(water ritua=
l): Gods, sages and manes are invoked in<BR>> > > water and
satis=
fied with emancipation given to them. In the long<BR>> run, a<BR>>
&=
gt; > regular practice of this ritual increases the release of
various<=
BR>> kaarmik<BR>> > > predispositions and weaknesses that
are =
blocking one's spiritual and<BR>> > > material progress.<BR>>
=
> > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > This document =
describes the procedure of pitri tarpana with the<BR>> > > releva=
nt
mantras using a simple approach. This document is the<BR>> regular<B=
R>>
> > procedure. There are also documents giving a short proced=
ure and
a<BR>> > > super-short procedure for the benefit of those=
with time
constraints<BR>> or<BR>> > > problem with Sanskrita=
language.
Download them from<BR>> > > <A
href=3D"http://www.Ved=
icAstrologer.org/tarpana">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana</A>.<BR></=
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Namaste Madam,
I will be honest and make a bold statement and ask elders =

to forgive me if they disagree my strong views.
> Is this something women=
practice or is this practice exclusive
> to men? Like so many other ritua=
ls in Hinduism?
This is typically practiced by men only, but I see no rea=

son why women cannot do it. In fact, if you see the explanation I have give=
n for why this should be done and how it works, you will see that it applie=
s to men and women.
There are some differences. Women have only XX chromo=

somes while men have XY chromosomes. A man is more likely to get the genes =
from father's side ancestors than mother's side ancestors. In the case of w=
omen, the probability calculation is different. In the mantras I gave, fath=
er's ancestors are covered first and then come mother's ancestors. Perhaps =
the order can be switched for women. But for a possible change of order bas=
ed on probabilities, the procedure and mantras given apply to both men and =
women.
The bottomloine is that both paternal line and maternal line karma=
s affect both men and women. The kaarrmik predispositions based on the rina=
to various ancestors and the blockages created by them are equally importa=
nt for men and women in order to progress materially and spiritually.
In =
the old days, men did so much spiritual sadhana, so many rituals and so muc=
h tapascharya that women did not need to do anything. Just run the house, g=
et groceries, cook, serve food and your husband builds enough spiritual ban=
k balance for both of you. But things are not the same anymore! Most men to=
day are worldly people and don't do enough spiritual sadhana for themselves=
, let alone for their wives!
Given this situation, women cannot rely on h=

usbands for spiritual progress. I strongly advocate that women should be al=
lowed to perform rituals like homam, tarpanam etc for their own spiritual e=
volution. I know some ladies who are performing Mahaganapathi homam using t=
he manual on my website now and enjoying it.
If these rituals are not don=

e during the monthly periods time, that is sufficient.
Just ignore the in=

structions on the sacred thread changes. In case you are actually wearing a=
sacred thread, reverse my directions, which are for men.
Even today, the=

re are some groups where women wear a sacred thread, do veda mantras and do=
yajnas. For example, near Shirdi, a great yogi called Upasani maharaj (con=
temporary of Sai Baba) advocated this and started a veda pathasala for wome=
n and taught them vedic chanting and rituals such as yajnam! He was born as=
an orthodox Brahmin, mastered four vedas (!) and upanishads and then exper=
ienced Brahman. After experiencing, he became open-minded and worked agains=
t the prejudices in mainstream orthodox society. Sai Baba once declared "Up=
asani is God Himself. Today let us do pooja to Upasani"!
I will encourage=
all interested ladies to do this ritual.
Best regards,
Narasimha
-------=
-----------------------------------------------------------
Do a Short Homa=
Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself=
: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.=
com/group/vedic-wisdom
Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.c=
omcast.net
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From: Swarna Balasubramaniam
To: pvr@...
Sen=
t: Sunday, August 03, 2008 3:05 PM
Subject: Fw: Fwd: Pitri Tarpana Manual=
s Available Now
Sri Narisimha Rao-

Thank you for sending this out. I=
am very interested to learn these explanations as I have seen my father do=
this for years without understanding the exact meaning and purpose.
Is t=
his something women practice or is this practice exclusive to men? Like so=
many other rituals in Hinduism?
Swarna
Swarna Balasubramaniam, MD=
Sugar Land Colon and Rectal Clinic

www.sugarlandcolorectal.com
281-=
277-2121 (ph)
281-277-2125 (fax)
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From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...>
Date: Fri, Aug 1,=
2008 at 8:58 AM
Subject: Pitri Tarpana Manuals Available Now
To: vedic=
-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, vedic-astrology@yahoogroups.com, sohamsa@yahoogrou=
ps.com, JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com, sivacharya@yahoogroups.com, sjcBoston=
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Namaste friends,
Now three detailed pitri tarpana =

manuals are available on the internet. They are appropriate even for a novi=
ce and explain clearly the details of pitri tarpana. The mantras are simple=
, the materials needed are few and it does not take too long.
Homam (fir=
e ritual) and pitri tarpanas (water ritual) are two of the most important r=
ituals of Hinduism and worth performing regularly. They cleanse a person, r=
emove various obstacles in material and spiritual lives and speed up spirit=
ual evolution. An aspirant desiring spiritual progress should take advantag=
e of them regularly. More about the philosophy of pitri tarpana is explaine=
d below, where I reproduced an extract from the manual.
Please download =
the manuals from
http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
There are thr=

ee manuals - one with the regular procedure (taking 30-45 min), one with a =
short procedure (taking 12-20 min) and one with a super-short procedure (ta=
king 5-8 min).
Please feel free to pass this word around to interested p=

eople. I hope this information reaches with Her blessings as many intereste=
d souls as possible.
By the way, there is an important solar eclipse in =

a few hours. It is a great time to perform pitri tarpanas. Actually, it is =
a great time to perform many spiritual sadhanas.
Best regards,
Narasim=
ha
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D=
o a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
Do Pitri T=
arpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
Spirituality: ht=
Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http=
://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://ww=
w.VedicAstrologer.org
agannath.org
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External rituals are meant to create the internal visualization n=
eeded to affect desirable internal changes in the long run. For example, on=
e offers a full coconut into fire as poornaahuti (complete offering) at the=
end of a homam (fire ritual). This is symbolic of surrendering one's head =
or ego (sense of I-ness) to god and burning it in the fire of wisdom and be=
coming free from ego. As one keeps engaging in this act again and again, th=
e visualization becomes stronger and stronger and ego is slowly reduced.
=
One important ritual of Hinduism is tarpana. Tarpana means "satisfying" o=
r "satiating". One acknowledges the debt one has to devas (gods), rishis (s=
ages) and pitris (ancestral manes) and tries to satisfy them using this rit=
ual. Just as gods are invoked in fire in a homam, pitris are invoked in wat=
er in this ritual, then held in the palm and released in a specific way con=
ducive to freeing them.
One owes a lot to one's parents and ancestors. =

In modern scientific terms, one owes all of one's genetic characteristics t=
o one's parents and ancestors. Each ancestor is actually present in the per=
son as a genetic characteristic. In karmik terms, one inherits some karmas =
of one's parents and ancestors and each ancestor is actually present in the=
person as a kaarmik predisposition. The latter approach obviously extends =
to multiple lives and some karmik predisposition is inherited from the ance=
stors from a past life too, though they may not be related to one in this l=
ife.
By thinking of the deceased ancestors with gratitude and trying to=
give them an emancipation, one is actually trying to free oneself from var=
ious kaarmic predispositions that one has as a result of the rina (karmik d=
ebt) with several people. One can view this as an external event of satisfy=
ing and emancipating an external entity (a pitri). Alternately, one can vie=
w this as an internal event of satisfying and releasing an internal kaarmik=
predisposition. Ultimately, it is the latter. However, one needs to extern=
alize first and perform external rituals, while thinking of what it means i=
nternally. This builds up one's visualization and slowly brings about inter=
nal changes and eventually the desired internal change itself.
Two exte=
rnal spiritual sadhanas are particularly powerful, useful and recommended f=
or every person desirous of fast spiritual progress:
1.. Homam (fire=

ritual): Gods are invoked in fire and satisfied with offerings with mantra=
s. Please see the homam website at
http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam =
for more. In the long run, a regular practice of this ritual increases the =
subtle fire burning inside one's subtle body, burns various impediments to =
spiritual progress and gives clarity, focus and stability to the mind.
=
Tarpana (water ritual): Gods, sages and manes are invoked in water and sat=
isfied with emancipation given to them. In the long run, a regular practice=
of this ritual increases the release of various kaarmik predispositions an=
d weaknesses that are blocking one's spiritual and material progress.
=
This document describes the procedure of pitri tarpana with the relevant ma=
ntras using a simple approach. This document is the regular procedure. Ther=
e are also documents giving a short procedure and a super-short procedure f=
or the benefit of those with time constraints or problem with Sanskrita lan=
guage. Download them from
http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana.
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V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Namaste Madam,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I wi=
ll be honest and make a bold statement and ask
elders to forgive me if the=
y disagree my strong views.</FONT></DIV>
nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Is this something =
women practice or is this
practice exclusive</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>> to men? Like so many other rituals
in Hi=
nduism?</FONT></DIV>
<=
DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is typically practiced by men only, bu=
t I see
no reason why women cannot do it. In fact, if you see the explanat=
ion I have
given for why this should be done and how it works, you will se=
e that it applies
to men and women.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There are some=
differences. Women have only XX
chromosomes while men have XY chromosomes=
. A man is more likely to get the genes
from father's side ancestors than =
mother's side ancestors. In the case of women,
the probability calculation=
is different. In the mantras I gave, father's
ancestors are covered first=
and then come mother's ancestors. Perhaps the order
can be switched for w=
omen. But for a possible change of order based on
probabilities, the proce=
dure and mantras given apply to both men and
women.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FON=
2>The bottomloine is that both paternal line and
maternal line karmas affe=
ct both men and women. </FONT><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>The kaarrmik pre=
dispositions based on the rina to various ancestors and
the blockages crea=
ted by them are equally important for men and women in order
to progress m=
aterially and spiritually.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&n=
bsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In the old days, men did=
so much spiritual sadhana,
so many rituals and so much tapascharya that w=
omen did not need to do anything.
Just run the house, get groceries, cook,=
serve food and your husband builds
enough spiritual bank balance for both=
of you. But things are not the same
anymore! Most men today are worldly p=
eople and don't do enough spiritual sadhana
for themselves, let alone for =
their wives!</FONT></DIV>
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Given this situation, women cannot rel=
y on husbands
for spiritual progress. I strongly advocate that women shoul=
d be allowed to
perform rituals like homam, tarpanam etc for their own spi=
ritual evolution. I
know some ladies who are performing Mahaganapathi homa=
m using the manual on my
website now and enjoying it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><F=
=3D2>If these rituals are not done during the monthly
periods time, that i=
s sufficient.</FONT></DIV>
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just ignore the instructions on the s=
acred thread
changes. In case you are actually wearing a sacred thread, re=
verse my
directions, which are for men.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Even today=
, there are some groups where women wear
a sacred thread, do veda mantras =
and do yajnas. For example, near Shirdi, a
great yogi called Upasani mahar=
aj (contemporary of Sai Baba) advocated this and
started a veda pathasala =
for women and taught them vedic chanting and rituals
such as yajnam! He wa=
s born as an orthodox Brahmin, mastered four vedas (!) and
upanishads and =
then experienced Brahman. After experiencing, he became
open-minded and wo=
rked against the prejudices in mainstream orthodox society.
Sai Baba once =
declared "Upasani is God Himself. Today let us do pooja to
Upasani"!</FONT=
></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
e=3DArial size=3D2>I will encourage all interested ladies to do this
ritua=
l.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>-----------------=
-------------------------------------------------<BR>Do
a Short Homam Your=
self: </FONT><A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam"><FONT face=
=3DArial
size=3D2>http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</FONT></A><BR><FONT=
face=3DArial
size=3D2>Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: </FONT><A
href=3D"http=
://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana"><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://www=
.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>Spi=
rituality: </FONT><A
href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom"><=
FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom</FON=
T></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): </FONT><=
A
size=3D2=
>http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
size=
e: </FONT><A
size=
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<A title=3Dbala_444@... href=3D"mailto:bala_444@yahoo=
.com">Swarna
Balasubramaniam</A> </DIV>
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href=3D"mailto:pvr@...">=
pvr@...</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> S=
unday, August 03, 2008 3:05
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><=
B>Subject:</B> Fw: Fwd: Pitri Tarpana Manuals
Available Now</DIV>
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<DIV>Sri N=
arisimha Rao-</DIV>
<DIV>Thank you for sending this out. I am very =
interested to learn
these explanations as I have seen my father do =
this for years
without understanding the exact meaning and pur=
pose.</DIV>
<DIV>Is this something women practice or is this practice exc=
lusive to
men? Like so many other rituals in Hinduism?</DIV>
=
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Swarna<BR> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"comi=
c sans ms">Swarna Balasubramaniam, MD </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT fa=
ce=3D"comic sans ms">Sugar Land Colon and Rectal
Clinic</FONT></STRONG><=
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rel=3Dnofollow><FONT
face=3D"comic sans ms">www.sugarlandco=
lorectal.com</FONT></A></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"comic sans ms">=
281-277-2121 (ph)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"comic sans ms">281-277-=
2125 (fax)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Namaste friends,</FONT>=
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2>Now three detailed <B>pitri tarpana </B>manuals
ar=
e available on the internet. They are appropriate even for a novice and
=
explain clearly the details of pitri tarpana. The mantras are simple, the
=
materials needed are few and it does not take too long.</FONT></DIV>
<D=
l size=3D2>Homam (fire ritual) and pitri tarpanas (water
ritual) are two=
of the most important rituals of Hinduism and worth performing
regularl=
y. They cleanse a person, remove various obstacles in material and
spiri=
tual lives and speed up spiritual evolution. An aspirant desiring
spirit=
ual progress should take advantage of them regularly. More about the
phi=
losophy of pitri tarpana is explained below, where I reproduced an extract =
from the manual.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>=
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Please download the manuals=
from</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org=
/tarpana"
target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAstrologer.o=
rg/tarpana</A></FONT></DIV>
;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There are <B>three </B>manuals -=
one with the
<B>regular </B>procedure (taking 30-45 min), one with a <B=
>short </B>procedure
(taking 12-20 min) and one with a <B>super-short </=
B>procedure (taking 5-8
min).</FONT></DIV>
e=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Please <B>feel=
free to pass this word around
</B>to interested people. I hope this inf=
ormation reaches with Her blessings
as many interested souls as possible=
.</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>By the way, there is an important solar eclip=
se
in a few hours. It is a great time to perform pitri tarpanas. Actuall=
y, it is
a great time to perform many spiritual sadhanas.</FONT></DIV>
=
rial size=3D2>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>----------------------------=
--------------------------------------<BR>Do
a Short Homam Yourself: <A =
href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/homam"
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofo=
llow>http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</A><BR>Do
Pitri Tarpanas Yours=
elf: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/tarpana"
target=3D_blank =
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana</A><BR>Spiritualit=
y: <A
href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom" target=3D_blan=
k
rel=3Dnofollow>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom</A><BR>Free =
Jyotish
lessons (MP3): <A href=3D"http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net/" t=
arget=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net</A><BR>=
Free Jyotish software
(Windows): <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.o=
rg/" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAstrologer.org</A><B=
R>Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC)
website: <A href=3D"http://www.srijagannath=
.org/" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.SriJagannath.org</A><BR=
>------------------------------------------------------------------ </=
FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT face=3DArial>External rituals=
are meant to create the internal
visualization needed to affect desirab=
le internal changes in the long run. For
example, one offers a full coco=
nut into fire as poornaahuti (complete
offering) at the end of a homam (=
fire ritual). This is symbolic of
surrendering one's head or ego (sense =
of I-ness) to god and burning it in the
fire of wisdom and becoming free=
from ego. As one keeps engaging in this act
again and again, the visual=
ization becomes stronger and stronger and ego is
slowly reduced.</FONT><=
/P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial>One importa=
nt ritual of Hinduism is tarpana. Tarpana means
"satisfying" or "satiati=
ng". One acknowledges the debt one has to devas
(gods), rishis (sages) a=
nd pitris (ancestral manes) and tries to satisfy them
using this ritual.=
Just as gods are invoked in fire in a homam, pitris are
invoked in wate=
r in this ritual, then held in the palm and released in a
specific way c=
onducive to freeing them.</FONT></P>
=
<P><FONT face=3DArial>One owes a lot to one's parents and ancestors. In mod=
ern
scientific terms, one owes all of one's genetic characteristics to o=
ne's
parents and ancestors. Each ancestor is actually present in the per=
son as a
genetic characteristic. In karmik terms, one inherits some karm=
as of one's
parents and ancestors and each ancestor is actually present =
in the person as a
kaarmik predisposition. The latter approach obviously=
extends to multiple
lives and some karmik predisposition is inherited f=
rom the ancestors from a
past life too, though they may not be related t=
o one in this life.</FONT></P>
<P><FO=
NT face=3DArial>By thinking of the deceased ancestors with gratitude and
=
trying to give them an emancipation, one is actually trying to free onesel=
f
from various kaarmic predispositions that one has as a result of the r=
ina
(karmik debt) with several people. One can view this as an external =
event of
satisfying and emancipating an external entity (a pitri). Alter=
nately, one can
view this as an internal event of satisfying and releasi=
ng an internal kaarmik
predisposition. Ultimately, it is the latter. How=
ever, one needs to
externalize first and perform external rituals, while=
thinking of what it
means internally. This builds up one's visualizatio=
n and slowly brings about
internal changes and eventually the desired in=
ternal change itself.</FONT></P>
<P><=
FONT face=3DArial>Two external spiritual sadhanas are particularly powerful=
,
useful and recommended for every person desirous of fast spiritual
=
progress:</FONT></P>
<OL>
<P><FON=
T face=3DArial></FONT></P>
<LI><FONT face=3DArial>Homam (fire ritual): =
Gods are invoked in fire and
satisfied with offerings with mantras. Pl=
ease see the homam website at
</FONT></LI></OL></FONT><A href=3D"http:=
//www.vedicastrologer.org/homam"
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow><FONT fa=
ce=3DArial
size=3D2>http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</FONT></A><FONT=
size=3D2><FONT
face=3DArial> for more. In the long run, a regular pract=
ice of this ritual
increases the subtle fire burning inside one's subtle=
body, burns various
impediments to spiritual progress and gives clarity=
, focus and stability to
the mind.</FONT>
<P><FONT face=3DArial></FON=
T></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial></FONT></P><FONT face=3DArial>Tarpana (water=
ritual): Gods,
sages and manes are invoked in water and satisfied with =
emancipation given to
them. In the long run, a regular practice of this =
ritual increases the release
of various kaarmik predispositions and weak=
nesses that are blocking one's
spiritual and material progress.</FONT>
=
<=
P><FONT face=3DArial>This document describes the procedure of pitri tarpana=
with the relevant mantras using a simple approach. This document is the=
<B>regular procedure</B>. There are also documents giving a <B>short

=
procedure</B> and a <B>super-short procedure</B> for the benefit of those =
with
time constraints or problem with Sanskrita language. Download them =
from
</FONT></P></FONT><A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/tarpana=
"
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://w=
ww.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>.</=
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Namaskar Narsimhaji
=A0
I was reading the Pitri Tarpan manual and I have af=
ew questions. You have advised that the Tarpan shouldnt be performed inside=
the house. Is there any specific reason for it. As we are living in city a=
nd cannot find river to perform the tarpan then how can we do it.
=A0
Also =
you say that it can be performed on eclipse or amavasya days inside the hou=
se. What time is best suited on these days to perform it.
=A0
Thank you
=A0=
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--- On Thu, 7/31/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> =

wrote:

Subject: [vedic-wisdom=
] Pitri Tarpana Manuals Available Now
To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, ved=
ic-astrology@yahoogroups.com, sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, JyotishGroup@yahoogr=
oups.com, sivacharya@yahoogroups.com, sjcBoston@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thurs=
day, July 31, 2008, 6:58 PM
Namaste friends,
=A0
Now three detailed =
pitri tarpana manuals are available on the internet. They are appropriate e=
ven for a novice and explain clearly the details of pitri tarpana. The mant=
ras are simple, the materials needed are few and it does not take too long.=
=A0
Homam (fire ritual) and pitri tarpanas (water ritual) are two of the m=
ost important rituals of Hinduism and worth performing regularly. They clea=
nse a person, remove various obstacles in material and spiritual lives and =
speed up spiritual evolution. An aspirant desiring spiritual progress shoul=
d take advantage of them regularly. More about the philosophy of pitri tarp=
ana is explained below, where I reproduced an extract from the manual.
=A0
=
=A0
http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpa=
na
=A0
There are three manuals - one with the regular procedure (taking 30-=
45 min), one with a short procedure (taking 12-20 min) and one with a super=
-short procedure (taking 5-8 min).
=A0
Please feel free to pass this word a=
round to interested people. I hope this information reaches with Her blessi=
ngs as many interested souls as possible.
=A0
By the way, there is an impor=
tant solar eclipse in a few hours. It is a great time to perform pitri tarp=
anas. Actually, it is a great time to perform many spiritual sadhanas.
=A0
=
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------=
- --------- ---------
Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologe=
r.org/ homam
Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ t=
arpana
Spirituality: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom
Free Jyo=
tish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net
Free Jyotish softw=
are (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org
Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) w=
ebsite: http://www.SriJagan nath.org
------------ --------- --------- -----=
---- --------- --------- ---------=A0
External rituals are meant to create=

the internal visualization needed to affect desirable internal changes in =
the long run. For example, one offers a full coconut into fire as poornaahu=
ti (complete offering) at the end of a homam (fire ritual). This is symboli=
c of surrendering one=A2s head or ego (sense of I-ness) to god and burning =
it in the fire of wisdom and becoming free from ego. As one keeps engaging =
in this act again and again, the visualization becomes stronger and stronge=
r and ego is slowly reduced.
One important ritual of Hinduism is tarpana. =

Tarpana means "satisfying" or "satiating". One acknowledges the debt one ha=
s to devas (gods), rishis (sages) and pitris (ancestral manes) and tries to=
satisfy them using this ritual. Just as gods are invoked in fire in a homa=
m, pitris are invoked in water in this ritual, then held in the palm and re=
leased in a specific way conducive to freeing them.
One owes a lot to one=

=A2s parents and ancestors. In modern scientific terms, one owes all of one=
=A2s genetic characteristics to one=A2s parents and ancestors. Each ancesto=
r is actually present in the person as a genetic characteristic. In karmik =
terms, one inherits some karmas of one=A2s parents and ancestors and each a=
ncestor is actually present in the person as a kaarmik predisposition. The =
latter approach obviously extends to multiple lives and some karmik predisp=
osition is inherited from the ancestors from a past life too, though they m=
ay not be related to one in this life.
By thinking of the deceased ancesto=

rs with gratitude and trying to give them an emancipation, one is actually =
trying to free oneself from various kaarmic predispositions that one has as=
a result of the rina (karmik debt) with several people. One can view this =
as an external event of satisfying and emancipating an external entity (a p=
itri). Alternately, one can view this as an internal event of satisfying an=
d releasing an internal kaarmik predisposition. Ultimately, it is the latte=
r. However, one needs to externalize first and perform external rituals, wh=
ile thinking of what it means internally. This builds up one=A2s visualizat=
ion and slowly brings about internal changes and eventually the desired int=
ernal change itself.
Two external spiritual sadhanas are particularly powe=

rful, useful and recommended for every person desirous of fast spiritual pr=
ogress:
Homam (fire ritual): Gods are invoked in fire and satisfied with=
offerings with mantras. Please see the homam website at http://www.VedicAs=
t rologer.org/ homam for more. In the long run, a regular practice of this =
ritual increases the subtle fire burning inside one=A2s subtle body, burns =
various impediments to spiritual progress and gives clarity, focus and stab=
ility to the mind.
Tarpana (water ritual): Gods, sages and manes are invo=

ked in water and satisfied with emancipation given to them. In the long run=
, a regular practice of this ritual increases the release of various kaarmi=
k predispositions and weaknesses that are blocking one=A2s spiritual and ma=
terial progress.
This document describes the procedure of pitri tarpana w=

ith the relevant mantras using a simple approach. This document is the regu=
lar procedure. There are also documents giving a short procedure and a supe=
r-short procedure for the benefit of those with time constraints or problem=
with Sanskrita language. Download them from http://www.VedicAst rologer.or=
g/ tarpana.
=A0
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=

top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Namaskar Narsimhaji</DIV>
<DIV> </D=
IV>
<DIV>I was reading the Pitri Tarpan manual and I have afew questions. Y=
ou have advised that the Tarpan shouldnt be performed inside the house. Is =
there any specific reason for it. As we are living in city and cannot find =
river to perform the tarpan then how can we do it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
=
<DIV>Also you say that it can be performed on eclipse or amavasya days insi=
de the house. What time is best suited on these days to perform it.</DIV>
<=
DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thank you</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Gaurav KApur<B=
R><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 7/31/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@...&g=
t;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-=
LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Narasimha P.V.R. Ra=
o <pvr@...><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Pitri Tarpana Manuals =
Available Now<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, vedic-astrology@yahoogro=
ups.com, sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com, sivacharya@=
yahoogroups.com, sjcBoston@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008=
, 6:58 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv1949596357>
<DIV>
<DIV>=
<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Namaste friends,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now =
three detailed <STRONG>pitri tarpana </STRONG>manuals are available on the =
internet. They are appropriate even for a novice and explain clearly the de=
tails of pitri tarpana. The mantras are simple, the materials needed are fe=
w and it does not take too long.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Homam (fire ritua=
l) and pitri tarpanas (water ritual) are two of the most important rituals =
of Hinduism and worth performing regularly. They cleanse a person, remove v=
arious obstacles in material and spiritual lives and speed up spiritual evo=
lution. An aspirant desiring spiritual progress should take advantage of th=
em regularly. More about the philosophy of pitri tarpana is explained below=
, where I reproduced an extract from the manual.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Pl=
ease download the manuals from</FONT></DIV>
2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A href=3D"http://ww=
w.vedicastrologer.org/tarpana" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.Ve=
dicAst rologer.org/ tarpana</A></FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There are <STRONG=
>three </STRONG>manuals - one with the <STRONG>regular </STRONG>procedure (=
taking 30-45 min), one with a <STRONG>short </STRONG>procedure (taking 12-2=
0 min) and one with a <STRONG>super-short </STRONG>procedure (taking 5-8 mi=
n).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>=
<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Please <STRONG>feel free to pass this word arou=
nd </STRONG>to interested people. I hope this information reaches with Her =
blessings as many interested souls as possible.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>By =
the way, there is an important solar eclipse in a few hours. It is a great =
time to perform pitri tarpanas. Actually, it is a great time to perform man=
y spiritual sadhanas.</FONT></DIV>
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR=
>------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------<B=
R>Do a Short Homam Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/homa=
m" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam</A=
><BR>Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/=
tarpana" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ ta=
rpana</A><BR>Spirituality: <A href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-w=
isdom" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic=
- wisdom</A><BR>Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <A href=3D"http://vedicastro.ho=
me.comcast.net/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://vedicastro. home.com=
cast. net</A><BR>Free Jyotish software (Windows): <A href=3D"http://www.ved=
icastrologer.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rolog=
er.org</A><BR>Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <A href=3D"http://www.sri=
jagannath.org/" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.SriJagan nath.or=
g</A><BR>------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---=
------ </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Exte=
rnal rituals are meant to create the internal visualization needed to affec=
t desirable internal changes in the long run. For example, one offers a ful=
l coconut into fire as poornaahuti (complete offering) at the end of a homa=
m (fire ritual). This is symbolic of surrendering one=A2s head or ego (sens=
e of I-ness) to god and burning it in the fire of wisdom and becoming free =
from ego. As one keeps engaging in this act again and again, the visualizat=
ion becomes stronger and stronger and ego is slowly reduced.</FONT></DIV>
<=
DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>One important =
ritual of Hinduism is tarpana. Tarpana means "satisfying" or "satiating". O=
ne acknowledges the debt one has to devas (gods), rishis (sages) and pitris=
(ancestral manes) and tries to satisfy them using this ritual. Just as god=
s are invoked in fire in a homam, pitris are invoked in water in this ritua=
l, then held in the palm and released in a specific way conducive to freein=
g them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial>One owes a lot to one=A2s parents and ancestors. In modern scienti=
fic terms, one owes all of one=A2s genetic characteristics to one=A2s paren=
ts and ancestors. Each ancestor is actually present in the person as a gene=
tic characteristic. In karmik terms, one inherits some karmas of one=A2s pa=
rents and ancestors and each ancestor is actually present in the person as =
a kaarmik predisposition. The latter approach obviously extends to multiple=
lives and some karmik predisposition is inherited from the ancestors from =
a past life too, though they may not be related to one in this life.</FONT>=
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>By thi=
nking of the deceased ancestors with gratitude and trying to give them an e=
mancipation, one is actually trying to free oneself from various kaarmic pr=
edispositions that one has as a result of the rina (karmik debt) with sever=
al people. One can view this as an external event of satisfying and emancip=
ating an external entity (a pitri). Alternately, one can view this as an in=
ternal event of satisfying and releasing an internal kaarmik predisposition=
. Ultimately, it is the latter. However, one needs to externalize first and=
perform external rituals, while thinking of what it means internally. This=
builds up one=A2s visualization and slowly brings about internal changes a=
nd eventually the desired internal change itself.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT f=
ace=3DArial></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Two external spiritual sa=
dhanas are particularly powerful, useful and recommended for every person d=
esirous of fast spiritual progress:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></=
FONT></DIV>
<OL>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>
<LI><FONT face=3DArial>Hom=
am (fire ritual): Gods are invoked in fire and satisfied with offerings wit=
h mantras. Please see the homam website at </FONT></FONT><A href=3D"http://=
www.vedicastrologer.org/homam" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow><FONT face=3D=
Arial size=3D2>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam</FONT></A><FONT size=
=3D2><FONT face=3DArial> for more. In the long run, a regular practice of t=
his ritual increases the subtle fire burning inside one=A2s subtle body, bu=
rns various impediments to spiritual progress and gives clarity, focus and =
stability to the mind.</FONT></LI>
<D=
IV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>
<LI><FONT face=3DArial>Tarpana (water ritual)=
: Gods, sages and manes are invoked in water and satisfied with emancipatio=
n given to them. In the long run, a regular practice of this ritual increas=
es the release of various kaarmik predispositions and weaknesses that are b=
locking one=A2s spiritual and material progress.</FONT></LI>
<DIV><FONT fac=
e=3DArial></FONT></DIV></OL>
<DIV><FO=
NT face=3DArial>This document describes the procedure of pitri tarpana with=
the relevant mantras using a simple approach. This document is the <B>regu=
lar procedure</B>. There are also documents giving a <B>short procedure</B>=
and a <B>super-short procedure</B> for the benefit of those with time cons=
traints or problem with Sanskrita language. Download them from </FONT></FON=
T><A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/tarpana" target=3D_blank rel=3D=
nofollow><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpa=
na</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>.</FONT></DIV>
rial size=3D2></FONT><FONT size=3D2> </DIV></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></=
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Dear Prasad ji,
The restriction I mentioned is very conservative. I menti=

oned it to be on the safe side.
The nature of pitris is different from th=

at of devas. If pitri tarpanas are performed outside the living area, it el=
iminates the little risk that a vulnerable person may be affected negativel=
y by the departed soul receiving tarpana. Suppose a person with a weak mind=
is sleeps next to the place of tarpana. There is some chance of the depart=
ed soul to influence his/her mind and cause some problems. Thus, it is advi=
sable to do this outside the living area, especially not in an area where p=
eople sleep. Please note that this is merely a precaution for something tha=
t may rarely happen.
The nature of pitris on certain days is different an=

d such a risk is not there. Apart from Amavasya and Sanskranthi days mentio=
ned in the document, the entire pitri paksha period is so auspicious for th=
is that you can do this anywhere.
It is fine to do on the terrace or balc=

ony or back yard or front yard of the house.
Best regards,
Narasimha
----=
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Do a Short H=
Do Pitri Tarpanas Yours=
elf: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
Spirituality: http://groups.yah=
oo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.hom=
e.comcast.net
Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.o=
rg
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----- Origin=
al Message -----
From: Prasad P
To: vedic-astrology@yahoogroups.com
=
Cc: pvr@...
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 1:52 AM
Subject:=
Re: [vedic-astrology] Pitri Tarpana Manuals Available Now
Hi Narasimha=
ji,
A very good manual, I will start performing immediately, but please c=
larify my doubts
I would like to know, why tarpana cannot be performed in=
side one's house and it can be done inside house on specific days?
Also, =
please tell me if we can do tarapana on terrace or we have to go outside ho=
use premises?
Thanks & Regards,

Prasad A. Pole
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c-astrology] Pitri Tarpana Manuals Available Now
Namaste friends,
Now=
three detailed pitri tarpana manuals are available on the internet. They a=
re appropriate even for a novice and explain clearly the details of pitri t=
arpana. The mantras are simple, the materials needed are few and it does no=
t take too long.
Homam (fire ritual) and pitri tarpanas (water ritual) a=

re two of the most important rituals of Hinduism and worth performing regul=
arly. They cleanse a person, remove various obstacles in material and spiri=
tual lives and speed up spiritual evolution. An aspirant desiring spiritual=
progress should take advantage of them regularly. More about the philosoph=
y of pitri tarpana is explained below, where I reproduced an extract from t=
he manual.
http://www.VedicAst rolog=
er.org/ tarpana
There are three manuals - one with the regular procedure=

(taking 30-45 min), one with a short procedure (taking 12-20 min) and one =
with a super-short procedure (taking 5-8 min).
Please feel free to pass =

this word around to interested people. I hope this information reaches with=
Her blessings as many interested souls as possible.
By the way, there i=

s an important solar eclipse in a few hours. It is a great time to perform =
pitri tarpanas. Actually, it is a great time to perform many spiritual sadh=
anas.
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------ --------- --------- -----=
---- --------- --------- -
Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst=
rologer.org/ homam
Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rolog=
er.org/ tarpana
Spirituality: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisd=
om
Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net
Fre=
e Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org
Sri Jaganna=
th Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org
------------ ------=
--- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
External rituals are meant=
to create the internal visualization needed to affect desirable internal c=
hanges in the long run. For example, one offers a full coconut into fire as=
poornaahuti (complete offering) at the end of a homam (fire ritual). This =
is symbolic of surrendering one's head or ego (sense of I-ness) to god and =
burning it in the fire of wisdom and becoming free from ego. As one keeps e=
ngaging in this act again and again, the visualization becomes stronger and=
stronger and ego is slowly reduced.
One important ritual of Hinduism is=

tarpana. Tarpana means "satisfying" or "satiating". One acknowledges the d=
ebt one has to devas (gods), rishis (sages) and pitris (ancestral manes) an=
d tries to satisfy them using this ritual. Just as gods are invoked in fire=
in a homam, pitris are invoked in water in this ritual, then held in the p=
alm and released in a specific way conducive to freeing them.
One owes a=
lot to one's parents and ancestors. In modern scientific terms, one owes a=
ll of one's genetic characteristics to one's parents and ancestors. Each an=
cestor is actually present in the person as a genetic characteristic. In ka=
rmik terms, one inherits some karmas of one's parents and ancestors and eac=
h ancestor is actually present in the person as a kaarmik predisposition. T=
he latter approach obviously extends to multiple lives and some karmik pred=
isposition is inherited from the ancestors from a past life too, though the=
y may not be related to one in this life.
By thinking of the deceased an=

cestors with gratitude and trying to give them an emancipation, one is actu=
ally trying to free oneself from various kaarmic predispositions that one h=
as as a result of the rina (karmik debt) with several people. One can view =
this as an external event of satisfying and emancipating an external entity=
(a pitri). Alternately, one can view this as an internal event of satisfyi=
ng and releasing an internal kaarmik predisposition. Ultimately, it is the =
latter. However, one needs to externalize first and perform external ritual=
s, while thinking of what it means internally. This builds up one's visuali=
zation and slowly brings about internal changes and eventually the desired =
internal change itself.
Two external spiritual sadhanas are particularly=

powerful, useful and recommended for every person desirous of fast spiritu=
al progress:
1.. Homam (fire ritual): Gods are invoked in fire and satis=
fied with offerings with mantras. Please see the homam website at http://ww=
w.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam for more. In the long run, a regular practice=
of this ritual increases the subtle fire burning inside one's subtle body,=
burns various impediments to spiritual progress and gives clarity, focus a=
nd stability to the mind.
b.. Tarpana (water ritual): Gods, sages and ma=

nes are invoked in water and satisfied with emancipation given to them. In =
the long run, a regular practice of this ritual increases the release of va=
rious kaarmik predispositions and weaknesses that are blocking one's spirit=
ual and material progress.
This document describes the procedure of pitr=

i tarpana with the relevant mantras using a simple approach. This document =
is the regular procedure. There are also documents giving a short procedure=
and a super-short procedure for the benefit of those with time constraints=
or problem with Sanskrita language. Download them from http://www.VedicAst=
rologer.org/ tarpana.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Prasad ji,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
The restriction I mentioned is very conservative. I
mentioned it to be on =
the safe side.</FONT></DIV>
/DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The nature of pitris is different fr=
om that of
devas. If pitri tarpanas are performed outside the living area,=
it eliminates
the little risk that a vulnerable person may be affected ne=
gatively by the
departed soul receiving tarpana. Suppose a person with a&n=
bsp;weak mind is
sleeps next to the place of tarpana. There is some chance=
of the departed soul
to influence his/her mind and cause some problems. T=
hus, it is advisable to do
this outside the living area, especially not in=
an area where people sleep.
Please note that this is merely a precaution =
for something that may rarely
happen.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The nature o=
f pitris on certain days is different
and such a risk is not there. Apart =
from Amavasya and Sanskranthi days mentioned
in the document, the entire p=
itri paksha period is so auspicious for this that
you can do this anywhere=
.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><F=
ONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It is fine to do on the terrace or balcony or bac=
k
yard or front yard of the house.</FONT></DIV>
ze=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
regards,<=
BR>Narasimha<BR>-----------------------------------------------------------=
-------<BR>Do
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strologer.org/homam"><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://www.VedicAstrologe=
r.org/homam</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
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urself: </FONT><A
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ce=3DArial
size=3D2>http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana</FONT></A><BR><=
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A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
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<A
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size=3D2>ht=
tp://www.VedicAstrologer.org</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sri =

href=3D"http://www.SriJagannath=
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size=3D2>http://www.SriJagannath.org</FONT></A><B=
R><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>--------------------------------------------=
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ONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=3Dprasadpole@y=
ahoo.co.in href=3D"mailto:prasadpole@...">Prasad
P</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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, August 09, 2008 1:52
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sub=
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Tarpana Manuals Available Now</DIV=
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<DIV
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new r=
oman, new york, times, serif">Hi
Narasimhaji,<BR>A very good manual, I w=
ill start performing immediately, but
please clarify my doubts<BR>I woul=
d like to know, why tarpana cannot be
performed inside one's house and i=
t can be done inside house on specific
days?<BR>Also, please tell me if =
we can do tarapana on terrace or we have to
go outside house premises?<B=
R>
<DIV id=3DRTECo=
ntent>Thanks & Regards, <BR><EM><FONT
color=3D#ff0000><STRONG>Prasad=
A. Pole</STRONG></FONT></EM>
<BR>--------------------------------------=
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Original Message ----<BR>From: Narasimha=
P.V.R. Rao
<pvr@...><BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com;=
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m<BR>Sent: Friday, 1 August, 2008 7:28:31
AM<BR>Subject: [vedic-astrolog=
y] Pitri Tarpana Manuals Available Now<BR><BR>
<P>=
Namaste friends,<BR><BR>Now three detailed pitri tarpana manuals are
ava=
ilable on the internet. They are appropriate even for a novice and explain =
clearly the details of pitri tarpana. The mantras are simple, the materi=
als
needed are few and it does not take too long.<BR><BR>Homam (fire rit=
ual) and
pitri tarpanas (water ritual) are two of the most important rit=
uals of
Hinduism and worth performing regularly. They cleanse a person, =
remove various
obstacles in material and spiritual lives and speed up sp=
iritual evolution. An
aspirant desiring spiritual progress should take a=
dvantage of them regularly.
More about the philosophy of pitri tarpana i=
s explained below, where I
reproduced an extract from the manual.<BR><BR=
>Please download the manuals
from<BR><BR><A href=3D"http://www.VedicAstr=
ologer.org/tarpana" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst r=
ologer.org/ tarpana</A><BR><BR>There are
three manuals - one with the re=
gular procedure (taking 30-45 min), one with a
short procedure (taking 1=
2-20 min) and one with a super-short procedure
(taking 5-8 min).<BR><BR>=
Please feel free to pass this word around to
interested people. I hope t=
his information reaches with Her blessings as many
interested souls as p=
ossible.<BR><BR>By the way, there is an important solar
eclipse in a few=
hours. It is a great time to perform pitri tarpanas.
Actually, it is a =
great time to perform many spiritual sadhanas.<BR><BR>Best
regards,<BR>N=
arasimha<BR>------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------
-------=
-- -<BR>Do a Short Homam Yourself: <A
.org/homam" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.o=
rg/ homam</A><BR>Do Pitri Tarpanas
Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.Vedic=
Astrologer.org/tarpana" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicA=
st rologer.org/ tarpana</A><BR>Spirituality: <A
hoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://groups=
. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom</A><BR>Free Jyotish
lessons (MP3): <A h=
ref=3D"http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollo=
w>http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net</A><BR>Free Jyotish software
(Win=
dows): <A href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org" target=3D_blank
rel=3D=
nofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org</A><BR>Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) =
website: <A href=3D"http://www.SriJagannath.org" target=3D_blank

rel=
=3Dnofollow>http://www.SriJagan nath.org</A><BR>------------ ---------
-=
-------- --------- --------- --------- - <BR>External rituals are meant to =
create the internal visualization needed to affect desirable internal ch=

anges
in the long run. For example, one offers a full coconut into fire =
as
poornaahuti (complete offering) at the end of a homam (fire ritual). =
This is
symbolic of surrendering one's head or ego (sense of I-ness) to =
god and
burning it in the fire of wisdom and becoming free from ego. As =
one keeps
engaging in this act again and again, the visualization become=
s stronger and
stronger and ego is slowly reduced.<BR><BR>One important =
ritual of Hinduism is
tarpana. Tarpana means "satisfying" or "satiating"=
. One acknowledges the debt
one has to devas (gods), rishis (sages) and =
pitris (ancestral manes) and tries
to satisfy them using this ritual. Ju=
st as gods are invoked in fire in a
homam, pitris are invoked in water i=
n this ritual, then held in the palm and
released in a specific way cond=
ucive to freeing them.<BR><BR>One owes a lot to
one's parents and ancest=
ors. In modern scientific terms, one owes all of one's
genetic character=
istics to one's parents and ancestors. Each ancestor is
actually present=
in the person as a genetic characteristic. In karmik terms,
one inherit=
s some karmas of one's parents and ancestors and each ancestor is
actual=
ly present in the person as a kaarmik predisposition. The latter
approac=
h obviously extends to multiple lives and some karmik predisposition is
=
inherited from the ancestors from a past life too, though they may not be
=
related to one in this life.<BR><BR>By thinking of the deceased ancestors=
with
gratitude and trying to give them an emancipation, one is actually=
trying to
free oneself from various kaarmic predispositions that one ha=
s as a result of
the rina (karmik debt) with several people. One can vie=
w this as an external
event of satisfying and emancipating an external e=
ntity (a pitri).
Alternately, one can view this as an internal event of =
satisfying and
releasing an internal kaarmik predisposition. Ultimately,=
it is the latter.
However, one needs to externalize first and perform e=
xternal rituals, while
thinking of what it means internally. This builds=
up one's visualization and
slowly brings about internal changes and eve=
ntually the desired internal
change itself.<BR><BR>Two external spiritua=
l sadhanas are particularly
powerful, useful and recommended for every p=
erson desirous of fast spiritual
progress:<BR><BR>1.. Homam (fire ritual=
): Gods are invoked in fire and
satisfied with offerings with mantras. P=
lease see the homam website at <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org=
/homam" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ =
homam</A> for more. In the long
run, a regular practice of this ritual i=
ncreases the subtle fire burning
inside one's subtle body, burns various=
impediments to spiritual progress and
gives clarity, focus and stabilit=
y to the mind.<BR><BR>b.. Tarpana (water
ritual): Gods, sages and manes =
are invoked in water and satisfied with
emancipation given to them. In t=
he long run, a regular practice of this ritual
increases the release of =
various kaarmik predispositions and weaknesses that
are blocking one's s=
piritual and material progress.<BR><BR>This document
describes the proce=
dure of pitri tarpana with the relevant mantras using a
simple approach.=
This document is the regular procedure. There are also
documents giving=
a short procedure and a super-short procedure for the benefit
of those =
with time constraints or problem with Sanskrita language. Download
them =
from <A href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana." target=3D_blank
=
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana.</A><BR><BR>[Non-t=
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Hi Members,
Just wanted to share an article I wrote...
Selfless Prayer: A=
Preparation for Bhakti
By Dr. Mukul S. Goel
While asking God for monetar=

y gains, a house, education, or a more
healthy body is not unethical, we ma=
y be worshipping only a
self-limiting aspect of the Divine if our mind is f=
astened to our own
desires. As we create a wish list of finite objects whil=
e worshipping,
we do not try to connect to the One Who is Absolute Truth,
C=
onsciousness, and Infinite Bliss but apply for the blessings of a
finite po=
tency that can fulfill our dreams.
In Hindu spirituality, this concept bec=
omes explicit as certain
expressions of divinity have become culturally ass=
ociated with specific
objects or gains that they can bestow upon us. While =
the principal forms
of God, including Lord Krishna and Lord Shiva, are wors=
hipped selflessly
by followers as the manifestations of Brahman (the Absolu=
te Reality),
the lesser forms (demigods) are traditionally remembered only =
when their
followers need a specific object in life. In the Bhagavad Gita, =
Lord
Krishna promises that whenever we desire something due to our ignoranc=
e
and select a demigod to achieve it, He fixes our faith on the selected
fo=
rm so that our wishes may be easily fulfilled (VII: 20-21). Along
these lin=
es, the thousands of demigods in Hindu mythology, all elements
of the same =
divinity, can also be understood as God's reciprocation
to our own desires.=
As we evolve and learn to connect, our wish list may expand to include
go=
odness, some knowledge, some truthful fellow beings to interact with,
some =
love in life, and some desires for "letting go". This would
mean that we ar=
e getting closer to God and are on our way to meeting
Him. Eventually, we m=
ay start requesting Him for realization and
deliverance from the universe. =
But only when we approach God with an
empty wish list, not desiring even li=
beration, can we actually sense the
original inspirations within us that ar=
e a result of a two-way
connection with the Almighty.
Similarly, we can wo=

rship the Divine Energy as the Mother for knowledge,
wealth, and strength. =
But it is not until we take refuge in Her by
transcending the short-term ob=
jectives of life that we worship the
personification of the infinite source=
of universal energy and power. We
need to learn to transfer the doership o=
f all karma to Her and adore Her
just for being there for us in order to re=
alize that we all are Her
favorite kids.
God, according to Hindu thought, =

is everywhere -- in you, in me, in all
matter, and yet He is beyond the uni=
verse. Accordingly, His availability
to the individual soul is never a cons=
traint. Our aim is to surrender to
God so that we can experience Him within=
ourselves or call Him for a
visit in person. And when we remember God just=
to remember Him, we start
surrendering to God. The lack of any material ob=
jective during
remembrance indicates that the devotional foundation of trus=
t, truth,
contentment, and an earnest aspiration to meet God has been made.=
This
is where pure love or Bhakti begins, for the love of God, to exist in=
the heart, requires a permanent erasure of all human inclinations

towards =
scheming, passion, and slackness from the mind. On the other
hand, whether =
we opt for the `formless' God or a God with
attributes, large amounts of wo=
rldly knowledge and information about the
Lord may not be necessary to unde=
rstand that God pervades us all.
Moving from duality to the non-dualist sc=

hool of thought, where the
individual soul and God are not really separate =
but appear to be
separated due to our own ignorance, our desires remain as =
the only
barrier in our connecting to our Self -- which is God. Because
ign=
orance-borne selfish karma, laden with desires, are inept in
destroying ign=
orance and cause repeated births in the world, any prayer
to God solely for=
the fulfillment of our own desires does not contribute
to our awakening. T=
hrough whichever yoga we choose, the introspective
path of knowledge or the=
emotional path of pure love, when spirituality
purges the difference betwe=
en the individual soul and the Divine,
ignorance, desires and the feel of s=
eparation -- all leave together.
In spite of the fact that our desires, wh=

ich are present when we are
spiritual beginners, prevent us from worshippin=
g God in His entirety,
every prayer slowly and steadily helps us build a pl=
atform for our inner
rise due to the tiny bits of pure love that are often =
unknowingly
present in our communications. Even the elementary prayers that=
are
directed towards an object of the material world may strengthen our
ha=
bit of applying for a connection to the Divine. And it may not be long
befo=
re we turn to the selfless mode of praying to activate selfless
karma. Once=
we are in love with God, we are all set; God remembrance
with a feel of su=
rrender can desert all our remaining passions to
connect us to God eternall=
y.
About the Writer
Dr. Mukul S. Goel is a spiritual writer. His current =

areas of writing
include Hindu spirituality, philosophy, classical music, a=
nd Vedic
astrology. He has recently published a book titled "Devotional
Hin=
duism: Creating Impressions for God" through iUniverse. For more
info, plea=
se visit hinduexpressions.blogspot.com
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The homam and tarpana manuals are updated.
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ple had trouble opening the Chandi homam manual. It required Adobe Acrobat =
reader version 8 or 9 to open it. Now I have saved it in an older PDF forma=
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mam
manual. It required Adobe Acrobat reader version 8 or 9 to open it. No=
w I have
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Namaste friends,
As some of you know, a Mahaganapathi homam manual was ma=

de available about 2 years back and several people are performing Mahaganap=
athi homam on a daily or weekly or monthly basis using it. Recently, we mad=
e a Chandi homam manual available.
When my spiritual master Dr Manish Pan=
dit and I were at Mayapur, India in May 2008, we were mesmerized by the spi=
ritual vibrations there due to the continuous chanting of mahamantra. We re=
ceived an inspiration then to create a Sri Krishna Homam manual for Krishna=
devotees.
I announce today on Sraavana Sukla Ekadasi that a "Sri Krishna=

Homam" manual is available to interested people, in time for the coming Kr=
ishnashtami. This 45-minute procedure was derived based on the traditional =
Bhagavad Gita homam. Its pradhaana (main) homam can be performed with sever=
al mantras, including mahamantra. A few possibilities are suggested in the =
manual. For those who are not comfortable with Sanskrit and/or have time co=
nstraints, a super-short 10-15 minute procedure is also given.
All the ma=

ntras needed are given and detailed explanations are given. The document is=
appropriate for total novices also. This manual is a self-sufficient docum=
ent. Quotes from Bhagavad Gita are given in the manual for explaining the i=
mportance of fire sacrifice (yajnam or homam).
Please download the manual=

from
http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam/krishna.htm
Please feel free=

to spread the word among the devotees of Lord Krishna, who may be interest=
ed in performing a fire sacrifice for Lord Krishna on a regular basis. We s=
incerely hope that this small offering from us at the lotus feet of Lord wi=
ll benefit some people somewhere sometime.
Best regards,
Narasimha
------=
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am Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
Do Pitri Tarpanas Yoursel=
f: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo=
.com/group/vedic-wisdom
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homam
manual was made available about 2 years back and several people are=
performing
Mahaganapathi homam on a daily or weekly or monthly basis usin=
g it. Recently, we
made a Chandi homam manual available.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
ze=3D2>When my spiritual master Dr Manish Pandit and I
were at Mayapur, In=
dia in May 2008, we were mesmerized by the spiritual
vibrations there=
due to the continuous chanting of mahamantra. We received an
inspiration =
then to create a Sri Krishna Homam manual for Krishna
devotees.</FONT></DI=
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rial size=3D2>I announce today on Sraavana Sukla Ekadasi that a
"Sri Krish=
na Homam" manual is available to interested people, in time for the
coming=
Krishnashtami. This 45-minute procedure was derived based on the
traditio=
nal Bhagavad Gita homam. Its pradhaana (main) homam can be
performed =
with several mantras, including mahamantra. A few possibilities are
sugges=
ted in the manual. For those who are not comfortable with Sanskrit and/or
=
have time constraints, a super-short 10-15 minute procedure is also
given.=
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NT face=3DArial size=3D2>All the mantras needed are given and detailed
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he word among the
devotees of Lord Krishna, who may be interested in perfo=
rming a fire sacrifice
for Lord Krishna on a regular basis. We sincerely h=
ope that this small offering
from us at the lotus feet of Lord will benefi=
t some people somewhere
sometime.</FONT></DIV>
regards,<B=
R>Narasimha<BR>------------------------------------------------------------=
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is there any practical book for
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de available about 2 years back and several people are performing Mahaganap=
athi homam on a daily or weekly or monthly basis using it. Recently, we mad=
e a Chandi homam manual and Sri Krishna Homam manual available. Our goal is=
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ay of Sraavana Sukravara with Sravana nakshatra! Tithi (Chaturdasi), vaara =
(Sukravara), yoga (Soubhagya) and karana (Vanija) are all owned by Venus ri=
ght now and Venus has risen just now. Nakshatra is Sravana belonging to Vis=
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I suggest the 108 name prayer taught by Shiva. It is very powerful and app=
ropriate for this age.
This homam should take about 45 minutes (less with=

a smaller count and more with a higher count) and hence it is possible to =
use this procedure on a daily or weekly or monthly basis. All the mantras n=
eeded are given with detailed explanations. The document is appropriate for=
total novices also. This manual is a self-sufficient document.
Mahalaksh=
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only gives money and not spiritual progress. However, the truth is that Ma=
halakshmi takes different forms such as Dhana Lakshmi (wealth), Dhaanya Lak=
shmi (food), Santana Lakshmi (children) etc and even Moksha Lakshmi, who gi=
ves spiritual progress and liberation. Mahalakshmi is the goddess of well-b=
eing and prosperity. Wealth is one kind of well-being and spiritual progres=
s is another kind of well-being. Mahalakshmi covers all kinds of well-being=
. If appropriate mantras are selected for Mahalakshmi homam, it can be grea=
t for spiritual progress without sacrificing material well-being.
Please =
download the manual from
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rming Mahaganapathi homam on a daily or weekly or monthly basis
using it. =
Recently, we made a Chandi homam manual and Sri Krishna Homam manual
avail=
able. Our goal is to create manuals for homam of several deities so that
p=
eople can pick the deity they like and do a regular homam. What we want to =
create is a community of sincere spiritual seekers who regularly wors=

hip *a
deity* (any) in fire.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=3Dleft>Now a manual for Sri Mahalakshmi homam is ready on th=
is
auspicious day of Sraavana Sukravara with Sravana nakshatra! Tithi (Cha=
turdasi),
vaara (Sukravara), yoga (Soubhagya) and karana (Vanija) are all =
owned by Venus
right now and Venus has risen just now. Nakshatra=
is Sravana belonging
to Vishnu.</DIV>
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<DIV=
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n
fire ritual - Sri Suktam, Mahalakshmi's 108 names taught by Lord Shiva t=
o
Parvati and Mahalaskhmi's Ashtakam (8 verses) composed by Lord Indra. On=
e can
pick the mantra one is most attracted to and try it. If one is unabl=
e to pick, I
suggest the 108 name prayer taught by Shiva. It is very power=
ful and appropriate
for this age.</DIV>
<DI=
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count and more with a higher count) and hence it is possible to use =

this
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otal novices
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think that Her homam only gives money and not spiritual progress. Howe=
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Namaste friends,
As some of you know, a Mahaganapathi homam m=

anual was made available about 2 years back and several people are performi=
ng Mahaganapathi homam on a daily or weekly or monthly basis using it. Rece=
ntly, we made a Chandi homam manual and Sri Krishna Homam manual available.=
Our goal is to create manuals for homam of several deities so that people =
can pick the deity they like and do a regular homam. What we want to create=
is a community of sincere spiritual seekers who regularly worship *a deity=
* (any) in fire.
Now a manual for Sri Mahalakshmi homam is ready on this=

auspicious day of Sraavana Sukravara with Sravana nakshatra! Tithi (Chatur=
dasi), vaara (Sukravara), yoga (Soubhagya) and karana (Vanija) are all owne=
d by Venus right now and Venus has risen just now. Nakshatra is Sravana bel=
onging to Vishnu.
The procedure taught in the manual uses 3 mantras for =

the main fire ritual - Sri Suktam, Mahalakshmi's 108 names taught by Lord S=
hiva to Parvati and Mahalaskhmi's Ashtakam (8 verses) composed by Lord Indr=
a. One can pick the mantra one is most attracted to and try it. If one is u=
nable to pick, I suggest the 108 name prayer taught by Shiva. It is very po=
werful and appropriate for this age.
This homam should take about 45 min=

utes (less with a smaller count and more with a higher count) and hence it =
is possible to use this procedure on a daily or weekly or monthly basis. Al=
l the mantras needed are given with detailed explanations. The document is =
appropriate for total novices also. This manual is a self-sufficient docume=
nt.
Mahalakshmi is normally considered the goddess of money. People thin=

k that Her homam only gives money and not spiritual progress. However, the =
truth is that Mahalakshmi takes different forms such as Dhana Lakshmi (weal=
th), Dhaanya Lakshmi (food), Santana Lakshmi (children) etc and even Moksha=
Lakshmi, who gives spiritual progress and liberation. Mahalakshmi is the g=
oddess of well-being and prosperity. Wealth is one kind of well-being and s=
piritual progress is another kind of well-being. Mahalakshmi covers all kin=
ds of well-being. If appropriate mantras are selected for Mahalakshmi homam=
, it can be great for spiritual progress without sacrificing material well-=
being.
Please download the manual from
http://www.VedicAstrologer.org=
/homam/lakshmi.htm
Please feel free to spread the word among interested =

people.
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------------------------------=
------------------------------
Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.Vedi=
cAstrologer.org/homam
Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrolo=
ger.org/tarpana
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tish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
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2>As some of you know, a
Mahaganapathi homam manual was made availa=
ble about 2 years back and several
people are performing Mahaganapathi h=
omam on a daily or weekly or monthly
basis using it. Recently, we made a=
Chandi homam manual and Sri Krishna Homam
manual available. Our goal is=
to create manuals for homam of several deities
so that people can pick =
the deity they like and do a regular homam. What we
want to create is a =
community of sincere spiritual seekers who regularly
worship *a dei=
ty* (any) in fire.</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
V align=3Dleft>Now a manual for Sri Mahalakshmi homam is ready on this
a=
uspicious day of Sraavana Sukravara with Sravana nakshatra! Tithi
(Chatu=
rdasi), vaara (Sukravara), yoga (Soubhagya) and karana (Vanija) are all
=
owned by Venus right now and Venus has risen just now. Nakshatra =
is
Sravana belonging to Vishnu.</DIV>
=
<DIV align=3Dleft>The procedure taught in the manual uses 3 mantras for th=
e main
fire ritual - Sri Suktam, Mahalakshmi's 108 names taught by Lord =
Shiva to
Parvati and Mahalaskhmi's Ashtakam (8 verses) composed by Lord =
Indra. One can
pick the mantra one is most attracted to and try it. If o=
ne is unable to pick,
I suggest the 108 name prayer taught by Shiva. It =
is very powerful and
appropriate for this age.</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft=
> </DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft>This homam should take about 45 minutes (=
less with a smaller
count and more with a higher count) and hence i=
t is possible to use this
procedure on a daily or weekly or monthly basi=
s. All the mantras needed are
given with detailed explanations. The docu=
ment is appropriate for total
novices also. This manual is a self-suffic=
ient document.</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><=
FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
<DIV align=3Dleft>Mahalakshmi is normally con=
sidered the goddess of money.
People think that Her homam only gives mon=
ey and not spiritual progress.
However, the truth is that Mahalakshmi ta=
kes different forms such as Dhana
Lakshmi (wealth), Dhaanya Lakshmi (foo=
d), Santana Lakshmi (children) etc and
even Moksha Lakshmi, who gives sp=
iritual progress and liberation. Mahalakshmi
is the goddess of well-bein=
g and prosperity. Wealth is one kind of well-being
and spiritual progres=
s is another kind of well-being. Mahalakshmi covers all
kinds of well-be=
ing. If appropriate mantras are selected for Mahalakshmi
homam, it can b=
e great for spiritual progress without sacrificing material
well-being.<=
/DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft> </DIV>Please download the manual from</FONT=
></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>=
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A

edicAstrologer.org/homam/lakshmi.htm">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam/=
lakshmi.htm</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D=
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Dear Anna,
I am glad you asked this.
I was not being politically correc=

t in saying that a total ban makes no sense. On the contrary, I almost deci=
ded to unequivocally assert that everybody interested in spiritual progress=
can do homam. Period. But I wanted to be cautious and not take on traditio=
nal orthodoxy head-on. Instead of dismissing fully, I was trying to put the=
fundamental reasons in perspective and say that a total ban makes no sense=
and push back the responsibility of decision to individuals. I am sure I w=
ill gain confidence with time and be more assertive. I just need to become =
ready to take on some karmas in corner cases. Then I can make that assertio=
n.
In the old days, men did so much spiritual sadhana, so many rituals an=
d so much tapascharya that women did not need to do anything. Just run the =
house, get groceries, cook, serve food and your husband builds enough spiri=
tual bank balance for both of you. But things are not the same anymore! Mos=
t men today are worldly people and don't do enough spiritual sadhana for th=
emselves, let alone for their wives!
Given this situation, women cannot r=

ely on husbands for spiritual progress. I believe that women should be allo=
wed to perform rituals like homam, tarpanam etc for their own spiritual evo=
lution. I know some ladies who are performing Mahaganapathi homam using the=
manual on my website now and enjoying it.
The risks I mentioned are only=

for rare cases and most people need not worry. The issue about Kundalini r=
ising, getting stuck in Swadhishthana and tough testing in that area applie=
s to both men and women. In any case, fire worship with complete surrender =
to a deity is quite likely to help one skip over this. The risk about pregn=
ancy also affects very rare cases. In general, one need not worry. To be ex=
tra-cautious, one can skip serious sadhanas like homam during pregnancy. Al=
so, women doing homam should stop during the monthly periods time.
After =
doing homam a few times, most people will only experience an indescribable =
calmness and pleasure coming from the cleansing of various nadis and chakra=
s and resultant extra flow of praana vaayu in the sookshma sareera. Things =
like Kundalini awakening and rise do not happen in most people. Actually, m=
ost people talking about Kundalini flow actually mistake smoother praana va=
ayu flow for Kundalini flow. Most yogis do not ever experience the latter. =
So most of what I wrote is inapplicable to most people anyway. Let me not t=
rivialize it though - little bit of praana flowing better itself is a great=
experience and one should try for it.
When several women contacted me fo=

r further clarifications and asked whether they could do Mahaganapathi homa=
m, I always encouraged them. The feedback from all of them was very positiv=
e.
The assertion that men and women are different only at the sthoola sar=
eera level and the sooksha sareera and kaarana sareera have no sex is absol=
utely correct. By the way, men may be reborn as women and vice versa.
Tha=
nks for the kind words. The "resourcefulness" and time are not really mine.=
When a king and his minister decide to distribute some of king's money to =
people, the minister will summon a servant to do the work and the servant w=
ill take the money to people and distribute it. But it does not makes him t=
he owner of anything. He is merely fortunate to be picked for that good kar=
ma. Of course, even the minister will actually say that he too is a servant=
only and will say that king is responsible for this action and the money i=
s really king's.
That analogy is perfect here. Of course, if it is not cl=

ear, the Divine Mother is the king, my guru is the minister, I am the serva=
nt and the manuals, writings and private talks I share are the king's money=
being distributed. I am not being humble or politically correct. This is a=
bsolutely the only truth. Anything else would merely be an ignorant fool's =
delusion.
Regarding the practical usefulness of homam, there is no doubt.=

I have seen its transformational power with real people in front of my own=
eyes.
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------------------------------------=
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ger.org/homam
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--- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, 108ar <bona_mente@.=

..> wrote:
>
> Dear Narasimha,
>
> I read your inspiring/convincing/enli=
ghtening words on homam/s/. I believe that we DO need various religious pra=
ctices, rituals, to keep our 'fire', zest, purity, divine energy flow.vibra=
nt and alive- wellbeing in a true sense. For numerous reasons /primarily h=
onesty, I guess?/, your words resonate with my spirit, uplifting it. I env=
y you on diligent work /and ability/ that has made you so resourceful, havi=
ng so much to give and giving it selflessly. Thank you very much sincerely=
, whether you need to hear that or not.
>
> However, there has been one t=
hing on my mind for a long time, that you've never expanded /clarified/ on.=
I think I can feel your uncertainty and ambivalence on gender issue- fema=
le capacity, ability, make-up /?/, pre-determination /?/ . for enlivening s=
ubtle body, for performing selfless devotional rituals, for spirituality =
in a broad sense.
>
> Let's see the last one, on homam
>
> Yes, you say=
that M/F are different on gross body level only. But that sounds like an a=
ct of 'political correctness' when you say that, with no true awareness beh=
ind, I mean. /" it makes no sense to have a total ban on women performing h=
omam."???/ With the serious warnings: risk of increased sexuality /particul=
arly difficult for woman/, danger of spiritual practices during pregnancy /=
even killing fetus "if the soul in it is not spiritually elevated"! I would=
always exclude guess-work in this SO important matter! Do you really think=
that these are not qualifying enough for 'a total ban'?
>
> I don't say =
that female-ban is/would be 'unfair'. In fact, I don't see any room here fo=
r any /rational/ judgment. This is not about feminism, either. I have hone=
stly accepted the 'ban' of F-attending church during their menstrual period=
. Period.
> I'd just want to hear an honest opinion on this important issue=
- too important to be ignored and/or polluted by any political stand 'in vo=
gue'.
>
> Thinking the very best for you, your Family and your Guru,
>
=
> Love,
>
> Anna
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear An=
na,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>=
<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am glad you asked this.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FO=
=3D2>I was not being politically correct in saying that
a total ban makes =
no sense. On the contrary, I almost decided to unequivocally
assert that e=
verybody interested in spiritual progress can do homam. Period. But
I want=
ed to be cautious and not take on traditional orthodoxy head-on. Instead
o=
f dismissing fully, I was trying to put the fundamental reasons in perspect=
ive
and say that a total ban makes no sense and push back the responsibili=
ty of
decision to individuals. I am sure I will gain confidence with time =
and be more
assertive. I just need to become ready to take on some karmas =
in corner cases.
Then I can make that assertion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT f=
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In the old days, men did so much spiritual=
sadhana,
so many rituals and so much tapascharya that women did not need =
to do anything.
Just run the house, get groceries, cook, serve food and yo=
ur husband builds
enough spiritual bank balance for both of you. But thing=
s are not the same
anymore! Most men today are worldly people and don't do=
enough spiritual sadhana
for themselves, let alone for their wives!</FONT=
></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
e=3DArial size=3D2>Given this situation, women cannot rely on husbands
for=
spiritual progress. I believe that women should be allowed to perform
rit=
uals like homam, tarpanam etc for their own spiritual evolution. I know som=
e
ladies who are performing Mahaganapathi homam using the manual on my web=
site now
and enjoying it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The risks I =
mentioned are only for rare cases and most people need not
worry. The issu=
e about Kundalini rising, getting stuck in Swadhishthana and
tough testing=
in that area applies to both men and women. In any case, fire
worship wit=
h complete surrender to a deity is quite likely to help one skip over
this=
. The risk about pregnancy also affects very rare cases. In general,
=
one need not worry. To be extra-cautious, one can skip serious sadhanas lik=
e
homam during pregnancy. Also, women doing homam should stop during the m=
onthly
periods time.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>After doing homam a few =
times, most people will only experience an
indescribable calmness and=
pleasure coming from the cleansing of
various nadis and chakras and =
resultant extra flow of praana vaayu in the
sookshma sareera. Things like =
Kundalini awakening and rise do not happen in most
people. Actually, most =
people talking about Kundalini flow actually mistake
smoother praana vaayu=
flow for Kundalini flow. Most yogis do not ever experience
the latter. So=
most of what I wrote is inapplicable to most people anyway. Let
me not tr=
ivialize it though - little bit of praana flowing better itself is a
great=
experience and one should try for it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>When se=
veral women contacted me for further clarifications and asked
whether they=
could do Mahaganapathi homam, I always encouraged them. The
feedback from=
all of them was very positive.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The assertion =
that men and women are different only at the sthoola sareera
level and the=
sooksha sareera and kaarana sareera have no sex is absolutely
correct. By=
the way, men may be reborn as women and vice
versa.</DIV></FONT></DIV>
<D=
size=3D2>Thanks for the kind words. The "resourcefulness"
and time are not=
really mine. When a king and his minister decide to
distribute some =
of king's money to people, the minister will summon a servant to
do the wo=
rk and the servant will take the money to people and distribute it. But
it=
does not makes him the owner of anything. He is merely fortunate to b=
e
picked for that good karma. Of course, even the minister will actually s=
ay that
he too is a servant only and will say that king is responsible for=
this action
and the money is really king's.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That=
analogy is perfect here. Of course, if it is
not clear, the Divine Mother=
is the king, my guru is the minister, I am the
servant and the manuals, w=
ritings and private talks I share are the king's money
being distributed. =
I am not being humble or politically correct. This is
absolutely the only =
truth. Anything else would merely be an ignorant fool's
delusion.</FONT></=
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>Regarding the practical usefulness of homam, there
is no=
doubt. I have seen its transformational power with real people in
fr=
ont of my own eyes.</FONT></DIV>
ONT></DIV>
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ial size=3D2>--- In <A
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<bona_mente@...> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> Dea=
r Narasimha,<BR>>
<BR>> I read your inspiring/convincing/enlig=
htening words on homam/s/. I
believe that we DO need various religious pra=
ctices, rituals, to keep our
=91fire=92, zest, purity, divine energy flow=
=85vibrant and alive- wellbeing in a true
sense. For numerous reason=
s /primarily honesty, I guess?/, your
words resonate with my spirit,=
uplifting it. I envy you on diligent work /and
ability/ that has made you=
so resourceful, having so much to give and giving it
selflessly. Th=
ank you very much sincerely, whether you need to hear that
or not.<BR>>=
<BR>> However, there has been one thing on my mind for
a long ti=
me, that you've never expanded /clarified/ on. I think I can feel
yo=
ur uncertainty and ambivalence on gender issue- female capacity, ability,
=
make-up /?/, pre-determination /?/ =85 for enlivening subtle body, for perf=
orming
selfless devotional rituals, for spirituality in a broa=
d
sense.<BR>> <BR>> Let=92s see the last one, on homam<BR>>=

<BR>> Yes, you say that M/F are different on gross body level on=
ly. But that
sounds like an act of =91political correctness=92 when you sa=
y that, with no true
awareness behind, I mean. /=94 it makes no sense to h=
ave a total ban on women
performing homam.=94???/ With the serious warning=
s: risk of increased sexuality
/particularly difficult for woman/, danger =
of spiritual practices during
pregnancy /even killing fetus =93if the soul=
in it is not spiritually elevated=94! I
would always exclude guess-work i=
n this SO important matter! Do you really think
that these are not qualify=
ing enough for =91a total ban=92?<BR>> <BR>> I
don=92t say tha=
t female-ban is/would be =91unfair=92. In fact, I don=92t see any room
her=
e for any /rational/ judgment. This is not about feminism, either. I =
have honestly accepted the =91ban=92 of F-attending church during their me=
nstrual
period. Period.<BR>> I=92d just want to hear an honest opinion =
on this
important issue- too important to be ignored and/or polluted by an=
y political
stand =91in vogue=92.<BR>> <BR>> Thinking the very=
best for you, your
Family and your Guru,<BR>> <BR>> Love,<BR>=
> <BR>>
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Namaste Sir,
There is no need for either Sri or Ji in addressing me.
Ho=
ping you won't mind, I am sending this reply to some yahoogroups that may h=
ave some interested people. When I was meditating before replying to you, a=
really beautiful and meaningful analogy came to me and I think it is worth=
sharing with more people than just you. To ensure your anonymity, I remove=
d references in the quoted mail below that may help one identify you.
* =
* *
First I will answer your first question in detail, becau=

se that can automatically answer other questions.
> 1. Are Vedic (Pure Va=

ithika rituals) different from Mantra Shastras
> (people explain that mantr=
a shastra does not originate from the vedas,
> but classified under tantra)=
. Did Mantra shastras not originate from vedas?
* * *
Whe=
n people say what is in Veda and what is not, honestly I can only laugh. Th=
ey are only fooling themselves. Reciting Veda with perfect swara or masteri=
ng a celebrated commentary does not help one understand Veda. In fact, unde=
rstanding each single verse in Veda requires great tapascharya. Understandi=
ng a verse in Veda is neither possible with energy flowing in Ida nadi (int=
uition) nor in Pingala nadi (logic and analysis). It is possible only with =
energy flowing in Sushumna nadi. It is possible with neither intuition nor =
logic, but only with *revelation* and simply, for the lack of a better expr=
ession, direct knowledge.
When one meditates long enough on a verse, the =

verse may simply be revealed to the yogi. THAT is the only way to understan=
d a Vedic verse. For most people, it is not possible to decipher even a sin=
gle verse in an entire life, let alone a passage.
Bottomoline is: Almost =

nobody understands Veda today. What are considered "pure vaidika rituals" a=
re merely another variety of rituals created by someone at some point of ti=
me. From the point of view of authenticity as granted by Veda, there is no =
difference between them and other aagamic rituals, though people ignorantly=
believe otherwise.
* * *
A simple analogy may help clari=

fy a lot of things related to this complicated issue a little. What the thi=
ng in the analogy represents is shown here and there in square brackets [].=
Once there were many people who lived near the sea [Brahman/Aatman]. The=
y regularly sat by the sea and enjoyed the sight and sound of the sea [expe=
rienced Brahman]. They described the sea in some nice cryptic poems [Veda].=
As people started living a little away from the sea [less spiritually ev=
olved], someone had to put together some instructions on how to reach the s=
ea. He said, "keep walking towards east" and the instructions grew with tim=
e. People faithfully followed the instructions [rituals].
People started =
moving further and further inland and started living in a landlocked desert=
far away from the sea. This generation had never seen a pool of water like=
a lake, let alone a sea. They faithfully performed the ritual of walking t=
owards east, but did not find sea. They debated endlessly whether one had t=
o walk one mile or two miles or three miles and formed different schools of=
thought. Some walked their chosen distance, found a tree or a building or =
some interesting object and even became satisfied that that was sea!
Then=
came some great person, whose instincts led him to take a horse instead of=
walking and ride it for a long distance [use of other tools]. He did find =
the sea after a few months. He put together newer instructions to reach the=
sea, which included riding a horse [new aagamas].
People performing the =

old rituals objected to this and said "but then this horse thing is not gra=
nted by the book of sea. This is a new path and different from the "pure" s=
ea ritual" ["pure" Vedic ritual]. By now, people did not even understand wh=
at the cryptic poems of the original "book of sea" mean, but they simply be=
lieved that those poems taught the old "pure" sea rituals that they were us=
ed to. They were blissfully unaware that the original instructions were mea=
nt for someone already close to sea and the newer instructions came from so=
meone who actually saw the sea and knew where they currently lived and how =
to get to the sea from there!
Slowly many new sets of instructions involv=

ing horses, chariots etc were taught and many new paths to the sea were out=
lined instead of just instructing people to walk towards east [evolution of=
mantra/tantra/yantras].
One particular path through jungles was dangerou=

s [aghora and other dark tantric paths involving practice of sex, meat, win=
e etc]. Though the distance to sea was much shorter through that jungle, it=
was just too dangerous and only the bravest and strongest could make it. T=
here were cruel dacoits and wild animals [chance of a fall in a risky ritua=
l] and many weak people travelling to sea via that path were killed. A wise=
man who knew the entire territory well came forward, condemned that path a=
nd discouraged people from trying that path. Since then, even people who we=
re strong enough to successfully make it in that path desisted from it.
A=
s time progressed, people started fighting too much about whose path was su=
perior. They were foolish, not smart enough to adopt the original instructi=
ons, of either the so-called "pure" sea path or the so-called "new" path or=
other variations, for the changed geography and changed times. Many follow=
ed the instructions blindly, hit roadblocks and did not reach sea. Many did=
not even know that "reaching the sea" was the actual goal of all their joi=
rneys. They only thought they were supposed to follow the instructions fait=
hfully and there was no need to adopt to the changed geographical territory=
and time. They even condemned those who actually went to sea, came back an=
d gave updated directions for their place and time, for violating tradition=
.
* * *
In case the analogy is not clear, here is a brief=

summary of its points. Veda is about realizing self. Veda describes variou=
s aspects of the state of self-realization. That is why it is considered th=
e highest knowledge. Other allied subjects throw some light on possible way=
s to reach that state. While definitive statements can be made on the actua=
l state of self-realization itself, no definitive statements can be made on=
how to reach it. The path depends on one's current position!
Great men i=
n many spiritual paths, within Hinduism as well as outside of it, came, exp=
erienced that state, understood the current state of people around them and=
gave specific instructions on how to reach that state from the current sta=
te. Some followed the instructions and experienced the state. Some instead =
kept arguing about the contradictions between paths.
Please re-read the s=

tory and try to understand what each part of the story represents. If you u=
nderstand this analogy well, this can really clarify the meaningless nature=
of so many debates that people waste time with!
* * *
> =
2. I read from somewhere that Sri Sri Adi Sankara has condemned
> Tantrik p=
ractices. But I also hear and read that he is a great Sri Vidya
> Upasaka h=
imself. If Sri Vidya has its roots from Tantra, what did
> Sri Adi Sankara =
condemn?
He did condemn some vaamaachaara (left-hand) practices of tantr=

a like the use of sex, alcohol, meat etc.
However, please go back to my a=

nalogy. A great man may condemn the use of a short path to reach the sea if=
it has a lot of wild animals and dacoits and many travellers through that =
path recently lost their lives. It does not mean that path is totally unusa=
ble. It only means that too many people incapable of travelling on that pat=
h are using it of late and so the great man was compelled to stop the pract=
ice.
If the same great man is reincarnated at a different time when sever=

al adept souls he has a rina with are about to be reincarnated, he may not =
condemn the path and instead write on travelling that jungle path carefully=
!
The words of great masters need to be interpreted within the context of=
their desa, kaala and paatra and within the context of the purpose of that=
particular birth.
* * *
> 3. What is vamachara? if it is=

the left hand method - sex, drinks etc,
> why must it be practiced at all?=
Suppose one's house is close to the market and the market noise reaches =
one's house. Suppose that noise is disturbing one's meditation, i.e. one is=
unable to focus on god amid all the noise. There are two approaches one ca=
n take - (1) run away from the noise, find a place of solitude and meditate=
there. (2) rise to the challenge, meditate right there and develop the abi=
lity to turn off the sensory input to the mind, i.e. get mastery and contro=
l over the part of the mind that is making one vulnerable to this disturban=
ce. After all, the noise from outside is NOT the problem - the problem is t=
he *inability* of one's mind to turn off that sensory input. By controlling=
one's mind, one can focus attention on god irrespective of what is happeni=
ng outside.
Approach (1) is not bad. If one is weak-minded and has a dece=

nt chance of failure with approach (2), then approach (1) is definitely pru=
dent and worthwhile. But, if one has a strong mind and can succeed with app=
roach (2), it is great. It hastens one's progress.
* * *
=
Vaamaachaara is also like that, but a more extreme form of testing one's se=
lf-control by rising to the challenge.
Please realize that vaamaachaara/a=

ghora is not about the use of sex, wine etc for the kick of it. It is about=
their use to test oneself with the toughest challenges and hone one's self=
-control. Self-realization comes when self-control is perfect and one's min=
d can always be focussed on god no matter what is going on around one. If o=
ne is either attracted or averse to any one thing, that is enough to block =
self-realization.
However, if one is weak, it is better to stay away from=

vaamaachaara. One needs to do other practices and strengthen oneself. If a=
really pure yogi with perfect self-control is able to focus on god with al=
l his mind even when he is drunk and sitting naked with a beautiful naked w=
oman tightly embracing him, then he can try that to test his self-control a=
nd hone it. But, if that is going to tempt one, get the mind away from god =
and onto a physical enjoyment, then one better not try that path! Just as o=
ne who does not have a strong mind to meditate amid noise should meditate i=
n solitude and hone one's self-control, one who does not have a strong mind=
to keep the focus on god in the middle of normally depriving practices suc=
h as wine, meat and sex should stay away from those.
* * *
=
In my analogy before, the short jungle path to the sea having the danger =
of wild animals and dacoits represents the vaamaachaara path of aghora. If =
one not having the wherewithal to battle and kill the wild animals and daco=
its tries that path, one may be killed. Similarly, one who wants self-reali=
zation using this path will fall if one does not have perfect self-control.=
If one takes this path because it sounds cool or exciting, one is likely t=
o fall. It is only for the fittest and bravest.
If there is ANY weakness =

in one's self-control, one can NOT follow this path. Just as there are many=
paths from the desert to the sea in my analogy, there are many paths to se=
lf-realization. One should follow the path that is appropriate for one base=
d on previous samskaras, strengths and weaknesses.
* * *
=
> Is it not a fact that Sri Ambal lies above all these?
:-) Sri Ambal (t=

he Divine Mother) does not lie above or below anything. She lies everywhere=
! All knowledge, all desires and all actions of all beings are Her own diff=
erent manifestations.
If a yogi with perfect self-control drinks wine and=

sits naked with a beautiful naked woman tightly embracing him and yet keep=
s his mind fully focussed on god, his self-control, his focus on god are al=
l different manifestations of the Divine Mother only.
As a matter of fact=
, even if one gives in to base instincts and pursues carnal pleasures, his =
desires and actions are also different manifestations of Divine Mother only=
. The Mother gives rise to so many lower level forms with specific domains =
of responsibility. The Mother takes the form of Lakshmi and Alakshmi as wel=
l. She takes the form of Vidya and Avidya as well. All opposites and polari=
ties are actually Her manifestations only.
However, those who are more co=

mfortable with Lakshmi and Vidya and uncomfortable with Alakshmi and Avidya=
will look at only the former pair as manifestation of Divine Mother and re=
main in duality. That is a valid point of view. However, the *ultimate* rea=
lity is that She is All.
I need to sleep now. I will stop here. Hope that=

put a few things in perspective. You can send further questions to the yah=
oogroups or to me privately.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Namask=
arams. Hope you remember me. I am a friend of <deleted> of <deleted> temple=
, brother of <deleted>. We met a couple of years ago in <deleted> temple.
=
I have a few doubts. I would like to hear your opinion on the same.
1.=
Are Vedic (Pure Vaithika rituals) different from Mantra Shastras (people e=
xplain that mantra shastra does not originate from the vedas, but classifie=
d under tantra). Did Mantra shastras not originate from vedas?
2. I read=
from somewhere that Sri Sri Adi Sankara has condemned Tantrik practices. B=
ut I also hear and read that he is a great Sri Vidya Upasaka himself. If Sr=
i Vidya has its roots from Tantra, what did Sri Adi Sankara condemn?
3.=
What is vamachara? if it is the left hand method - sex, drinks etc, why mu=
st it be practiced at all? Is it not a fact that Sri Ambal lies above all t=
hese?
I am a little (totally) confused. Hope your reply takes me out of=

the well to ask you more questions
Namaskarams
Venkat
--
Regard=
s
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Sir,</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There is no need for either Sri or Ji in addr=
essing
me.</FONT></DIV>
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hoping you won't mind, I am sending thi=
s reply to
some yahoogroups that may have some interested people. </FONT><=
FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>When I was meditating before replying to you, a=
really beautiful and
meaningful analogy came to me and I think it is wort=
h sharing with more people
than just you. </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2>To ensure your anonymity, I
removed references in the quoted mail bel=
ow that may help one identify
you.</FONT></DIV>
bsp;
* *=
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FO=
NT face=3DArial size=3D2>First I will answer your first question in detail,=
because that can automatically answer other questions.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV>=
<DIV>
al size=3D2>> 1. Are Vedic (Pure Vaithika rituals) different
from Mantr=
a Shastras</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> (people expla=
in that mantra shastra does not
originate from the vedas,</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> but classified under tantra). Did Mantra=
shastras not originate from vedas?</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>*&=
nbsp;
* &=
DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When people say what is in Veda=
and what is not,
honestly I can only laugh. They are only fooling themsel=
ves. Reciting Veda with
perfect swara or mastering a celebrated commentary=
does not help one understand
Veda. In fact, understanding each single ver=
se in Veda requires great
tapascharya. Understanding a verse in Veda is ne=
ither possible with energy
flowing in Ida nadi (intuition) nor in Pingala =
nadi (logic and analysis). It is
possible only with energy flowing in Sush=
umna nadi. It is possible with neither
intuition nor logic, but only with =
*revelation* and simply, for the lack of a
better expression, direct knowl=
edge.</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When one meditates long enough on a verse, th=
e
verse may simply be revealed to the yogi. THAT is the only way to unders=
tand a
Vedic verse. For most people, it is not possible to decipher even a=
single verse
in an entire life, let alone a passage.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><F=
=3D2>Bottomoline is: Almost nobody understands Veda
today. What are consid=
ered "pure vaidika rituals" are merely another variety of
rituals created =
by someone at some point of time. From the point of view of
authenticity a=
s granted by Veda, there is no difference between them and other
aagamic r=
ituals, though people ignorantly believe otherwise.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
<DIV>
ze=3D2>*
* &nbs=
p; *</FONT></DIV></DIV>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A simple analogy may h=
elp clarify a lot of things
related to this complicated issue a little. Wh=
at the thing in the analogy
represents is shown here and there in square b=
rackets [].</FONT></DIV>
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Once there were many people who lived n=
ear the sea
[Brahman/Aatman]. They regularly sat by the sea and enjoyed th=
e sight
and sound of the sea [experienced Brahman]. They described th=
e sea in some
nice cryptic poems [Veda].</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As people=
started living a little away from the sea
[less spiritually evolved], som=
eone had to put together some instructions on how
to reach the sea. He sai=
d, "keep walking towards east" and the instructions grew
with time. People=
faithfully followed the instructions [rituals].</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Pe=
ople started moving further and further inland
and started living in a lan=
dlocked desert far away from the sea. This generation
had never seen a poo=
l of water like a lake, let alone a sea. T</FONT><FONT
face=3DArial size=
=3D2>hey faithfully performed the ritual of walking towards east,
but did =
not find sea. They debated endlessly whether one had to walk one mile or
t=
wo miles or three miles and formed different schools of thought. Some walke=
d
their chosen distance, found a tree or a building or some interesting
o=
bject and even became satisfied that that was sea!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
=3D2>Then came some great person, whose instincts led
him to take a horse =
instead of walking and ride it for a long distance [use of
other tools]. H=
e did find the sea after a few months. He put together newer
instructions =
to reach the sea, which included riding a horse [new
aagamas].</FONT></DIV=
>
ial size=3D2>People performing the old rituals objected to this
and said "=
but then this horse thing is not granted by the book of sea. This is a
new=
path and different from the "pure" sea ritual" ["pure" Vedic ritual]. By
=
now, people did not even understand what the cryptic poems of the original =
"book
of sea" mean, but they simply believed that those poems taught the o=
ld "pure"
sea rituals that they were used to. They were blissfully unaware=
that the
original instructions were meant for someone already close to se=
a and the newer
instructions came from someone who actually saw the sea an=
d knew where they
currently lived and how to get to the sea from there!</F=
ONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2>Slowly many new sets of instructions involving
horse=
s, chariots etc were taught and many new paths to the sea
were outlin=
ed instead of just instructing people to walk towards
east [evol=
ution of mantra/tantra/yantras].</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One particular pa=
th through jungles was dangerous
[aghora and other dark tantric paths invo=
lving practice of sex, meat,
wine etc]. Though the distance to sea wa=
s much shorter through that jungle,
it was just too dangerous and only the=
bravest and strongest could make it.
There were cruel dacoits and wild an=
imals [chance of a fall in a risky ritual]
and many weak people travelling=
to sea via that path were killed. A wise man who
knew the entire territor=
y well came forward, condemned that path and
discouraged people from =
trying that path. Since then, even people who were
strong enough to succes=
sfully make it in that path desisted from
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As t=
ime progressed, people started fighting too
much about whose path was supe=
rior. They were foolish, not smart enough to adopt
the original instructio=
ns, of either the so-called "pure" sea path or the
so-called "new" path or=
other variations, for the changed geography and changed
times. Many follo=
wed the instructions blindly, hit roadblocks and did not reach
sea. Many d=
id not even know that "reaching the sea" was the actual goal of all
their =
joirneys. They only thought they were supposed to follow the instructions
=
faithfully and there was no need to adopt to the changed geographical terri=
tory
and time. They even condemned those who actually went to sea, came ba=
ck and gave
updated directions for their place and time, for violatin=
g
tradition.</FONT></DIV>
DIV>

* *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FO=
=3D2>In case the analogy is not clear, here is a brief
summary of its poin=
ts. Veda is about realizing self. Veda describes various
aspects of t=
he state of self-realization. That is why it is considered the
highest kno=
wledge. Other allied subjects throw some light on possible ways to
reach t=
hat state. While definitive statements can be made on the actual state of
=
self-realization itself, no definitive statements can be made on how to rea=
ch
it. The path depends on one's current position!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
>Great men in many spiritual paths, within Hinduism
as well as outside of =
it, came, experienced that state, understood the current
state of people a=
round them and gave specific instructions on how to reach
that state =
from the current state. Some followed the instructions and
experienced the=
state. Some instead kept arguing about the contradictions
between paths.<=
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FON=
T face=3DArial size=3D2>Please re-read the story and try to understand what=
each part of the story represents. If you understand this analogy well, t=
his can
really clarify the meaningless nature of so many debates that peop=
le waste time
with!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </=
FONT></DIV>
;
* *</FONT></DIV>
<=
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>> 2. I read from somewhere that Sri Sri Adi
Sankara h=
as condemned</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Tantrik pra=
ctices. But I also hear and read
that he is a great Sri Vidya</FONT></DIV>=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Upasaka himself. If Sri Vidya has it=

s roots
from Tantra, what did</FONT></DIV>
2>> Sri Adi Sankara condemn? </FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>He did conde=
mn some vaamaachaara (left-hand)
practices of tantra like the use of sex, =
alcohol, meat etc.</FONT></DIV>
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, please go back to my an=
alogy. A great man
may condemn the use of a short path to reach the sea if=
it has a lot of wild
animals and dacoits and many travellers through=
that path recently lost
their lives. It does not mean that path is totall=
y unusable. It only means that
too many people incapable of travelling on =
that path are using it of late and so
the great man was compelled to stop =
the practice.</FONT></DIV>
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If the same great man is reincarnated=
at a
different time when several adept souls he has a rina with are about=
to be
reincarnated, he may not condemn the path and instead write on trav=
elling that
jungle path carefully!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The words of gr=
eat masters need to be interpreted
within the context of their desa, kaala=
and paatra and within the context of the
purpose of that particular birth=
.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<=
DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* =
* *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
<DIV>
=3D2>> 3. What is vamachara? if it is the left hand
method - sex, drink=
s etc,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> why must it be pr=
acticed at all?</FONT></DIV>
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Suppose one's house is close to the=
market and the
market noise reaches one's house. Suppose that noise =
is disturbing one's
meditation, i.e. one is unable to focus on god amid al=
l the noise. There are two
approaches one can take - (1) run away from the=
noise, find a place of solitude
and meditate there. (2) rise to the chall=
enge, meditate right there and develop
the ability to turn off the sensory=
input to the mind, i.e. get mastery and
control over the part of the mind=
that is making one vulnerable to this
disturbance. After all, the noise f=
rom outside is NOT the problem - the problem
is the *inability* of one's m=
ind to turn off that sensory input. By controlling
one's mind, one can foc=
us attention on god irrespective of what is happening
outside.</FONT></DIV=
>
ial size=3D2>Approach (1) is not bad. If one is weak-minded and
has a dece=
nt chance of failure with approach (2), then approach (1) is
definitely pr=
udent and worthwhile. But, if one has a strong mind and can succeed
with a=
pproach (2), it is great. It hastens one's progress.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FON=
2>*
* &nb=
sp; *</FONT></DIV>
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Vaamaachaara is also like that, b=
ut a more extreme
form of testing one's self-control by rising to the chal=
lenge.</FONT></DIV>
<D=
IV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Please realize that vaamaachaara/aghora is n=
ot
about the use of sex, wine etc for the kick of it. It is about their us=
e to test
oneself with the toughest challenges and hone one's self-control=
.
Self-realization comes when self-control is perfect and one's mind can a=
lways be
focussed on god no matter what is going on around one. If one is =
either
attracted or averse to any one thing, that is enough to block
self=
-realization.</FONT></DIV>
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, if one is weak, it is better=
to stay away
from vaamaachaara. One needs to do other practices and stren=
gthen oneself. If a
really pure yogi with perfect self-control is able to =
focus on god with all his
mind even when he is drunk and sitting naked wit=
h a beautiful naked woman
tightly embracing him, then he can try that to t=
est his self-control and hone
it. But, if that is going to tempt one,=
get the mind away from god and onto
a physical enjoyment, then one better=
not try that path! Just as one who does
not have a strong mind to meditat=
e amid noise should meditate in solitude and
hone one's self-control, one =
who does not have a strong mind to keep the focus
on god in the middle of =
normally depriving practices such as wine, meat and sex
should stay away f=
rom those.</FONT></DIV>
>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* &nb=
sp;
* *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>=
e=3D2>In my analogy before, the short jungle path to the
sea having the da=
nger of wild animals and dacoits represents the vaamaachaara
path of aghor=
a. If one not having the wherewithal to battle and kill the wild
animals a=
nd dacoits tries that path, one may be killed. Similarly, one who wants
se=
lf-realization using this path will fall if one does not have perfect
self=
-control. If one takes this path because it sounds cool or exciting, one is=
likely to fall. It is only for the fittest and bravest.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV=
ze=3D2>If there is ANY weakness in one's self-control, one
can NOT follow =
this path. Just as there are many paths from the desert to the
sea in my a=
nalogy, there are many paths to self-realization. One should follow
the pa=
th that is appropriate for one based on previous samskaras, strengths and
=
weaknesses.</FONT></DIV>
V>
bsp;
* *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV></DIV>
ze=3D2>> Is it not a fact that Sri Ambal lies above all
these? </FONT><=
/DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>:-) Sri Ambal (the Divine Mother) does not lie
above or =
below anything. She lies everywhere! All knowledge, all desires and all
ac=
tions of all beings are Her own different manifestations.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
ze=3D2>If a yogi with perfect self-control drinks wine
and sits naked=
with a beautiful naked woman tightly embracing him and yet
keeps his mind=
fully focussed on god, his self-control, his focus on god are all
differe=
nt manifestations of the Divine Mother only.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As a=
matter of fact, even if one gives in to base
instincts and pursues carnal=
pleasures, his desires and actions are also
different manifestations of D=
ivine Mother only. The Mother gives rise to so many
lower level forms with=
specific domains of responsibility. The Mother takes the
form of Lakshmi =
and Alakshmi as well. She takes the form of Vidya and Avidya as
well. All =
opposites and polarities are actually Her manifestations
only.</FONT></DIV=
>
ial size=3D2>However, those who are more comfortable with
Lakshmi and Vidy=
a and uncomfortable with Alakshmi and Avidya will look at only
the former =
pair as manifestation of Divine Mother and remain in duality. That is
a va=
lid point of view. However, the *ultimate* reality is that She is
All.</FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT f=
ace=3DArial size=3D2>I need to sleep now. I will stop here. Hope that
put =
a few things in perspective. You can send further questions to the
yahoogr=
oups or to me privately.</FONT></DIV>
p;</FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
regards,=
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al size=3D2>Sri Sri NarasimhaJI</FONT></DIV>
=3D2>Namaskarams. Hope you remember me. I am a friend
of <deleted>=
of <deleted> temple, brother of <deleted>. We
met a couple =
of years ago in <deleted> temple.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I =
have a few doubts. I would like to hear your
opinion on the same.</FONT>=
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2>1. Are Vedic (Pure Vaithika rituals) different
fro=
m Mantra Shastras (people explain that mantra shastra does not originate
=
from the vedas, but classified under tantra). Did Mantra shastras not
o=
riginate from vedas?</FONT></DIV>
> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2. I read from somewhere t=
hat Sri Sri Adi Sankara
has condemned Tantrik practices. But I also hear=
and read that he is a great
Sri Vidya Upasaka himself. If Sri Vidya has=
its roots from Tantra, what did
Sri Adi Sankara condemn? </FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
Arial size=3D2>3. What is vamachara? if it is the left hand
method - sex=
, drinks etc, why must it be practiced at all? Is it not a fact
that Sri=
Ambal lies above all these? </FONT></DIV>
=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am a little (=
totally) confused. Hope your reply
takes me out of the well to ask you m=
ore questions</FONT></DIV>
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Namaskarams</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Venkat<BR clear=3Dall><BR>--
<BR>Regards<BR>&=
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Date: Monday,=
18 August, 2008, 10:13 AM
Namaste Sir,
=C2=A0
There is no need for =
either Sri or Ji in addressing me.
=C2=A0
Hoping you won't mind, I am sendi=
ng this reply to some yahoogroups that may have some interested people. Whe=
n I was meditating before replying to you, a really beautiful and meaningfu=
l analogy came to me and I think it is worth sharing with more people than =
just you. To ensure your anonymity, I removed references in the quoted mail=
below that may help one identify you.
=C2=A0
*=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *
=C2=A0
First =
I will answer your first question in detail, because that can automatically=
answer other questions.
=C2=A0
> 1. Are Vedic (Pure Vaithika rituals) dif=

ferent from Mantra Shastras
> (people explain that mantra shastra does not =
originate from the vedas,
> but classified under tantra). Did Mantra shastr=
as not originate from vedas?
=C2=A0
*=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 *=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *
=C2=A0
When people say=
what is in Veda and what is not, honestly I can only laugh. They are only =
fooling themselves. Reciting Veda with perfect swara or mastering a celebra=
ted commentary does not help one understand Veda. In fact, understanding ea=
ch single verse in Veda requires great tapascharya. Understanding a verse i=
n Veda is neither possible with energy flowing in Ida nadi (intuition) nor =
in Pingala nadi (logic and analysis). It is possible only with energy flowi=
ng in Sushumna nadi. It is possible with neither intuition nor logic, but o=
nly with *revelation* and simply, for the lack of a better expression, dire=
ct knowledge.
=C2=A0
When one meditates long enough on a verse, the verse m=
ay simply be revealed to the yogi. THAT is the only way to understand a Ved=
ic verse. For most people, it is not possible to decipher even a single ver=
se in an entire life, let alone a passage.
=C2=A0
Bottomoline is: Almost no=
body understands Veda today. What are considered "pure vaidika rituals" are=
merely another variety of rituals created by someone at some point of time=
. From the point of view of authenticity as granted by Veda, there is no di=
fference between them and other aagamic rituals, though people ignorantly b=
elieve otherwise.
=C2=A0
*=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *
=C2=A0
A simple analogy may help =
clarify a lot of things related to this complicated issue a little. What th=
e thing in the analogy represents is shown here and there in square bracket=
s [].
=C2=A0
Once there were many people who lived near the sea [Brahman/Aa=
tman] . They regularly sat by the sea and enjoyed the sight and=C2=A0sound =
of the sea [experienced Brahman]. They described the sea in some nice crypt=
ic poems [Veda].
=C2=A0
As people started living a little away from the sea=
[less spiritually evolved], someone had to put together some instructions =
on how to reach the sea. He said, "keep walking towards east" and the instr=
uctions grew with time. People faithfully followed the instructions [ritual=
s].
=C2=A0
People started moving further and further inland and started liv=
ing in a landlocked desert far away from the sea. This generation had never=
seen a pool of water like a lake, let alone a sea. They faithfully perform=
ed the ritual of walking towards east, but did not find sea. They debated e=
ndlessly whether one had to walk one mile or two miles or three miles and f=
ormed different schools of thought. Some walked their chosen distance, foun=
d a tree or a building or some interesting object=C2=A0and even became sati=
sfied that that was sea!
=C2=A0
Then came some great person, whose instinct=
s led him to take a horse instead of walking and ride it for a long distanc=
e [use of other tools]. He did find the sea after a few months. He put toge=
ther newer instructions to reach the sea, which included riding a horse [ne=
w aagamas].
=C2=A0
People performing the old rituals objected to this and s=
aid "but then this horse thing is not granted by the book of sea. This is a=
new path and different from the "pure" sea ritual" ["pure" Vedic ritual]. =
By now, people did not even understand what the cryptic poems of the origin=
al "book of sea" mean, but they simply believed that those poems taught the=
old "pure" sea rituals that they were used to. They were blissfully unawar=
e that the original instructions were meant for someone already close to se=
a and the newer instructions came from someone who actually saw the sea and=
knew where they currently lived and how to get to the sea from there!
=C2=
=A0
Slowly many new sets of instructions involving horses, chariots etc wer=
e taught and many new paths to the sea were=C2=A0outlined=C2=A0instead of j=
ust instructing people to walk towards east=C2=A0[evolution of mantra/tantr=
a/ yantras].
=C2=A0
One particular path through jungles was dangerous [agho=
ra and other dark tantric paths involving practice of sex, meat, wine=C2=A0=
etc]. Though the distance to sea was much shorter through that jungle, it w=
as just too dangerous and only the bravest and strongest could make it. The=
re were cruel dacoits and wild animals [chance of a fall in a risky ritual]=
and many weak people travelling to sea via that path were killed. A wise m=
an who knew the entire territory well=C2=A0came forward, condemned that pat=
h and discouraged people from trying that path. Since then, even people who=
were strong enough to successfully make it in that path desisted from it.
=
=C2=A0
As time progressed, people started fighting too much about whose pat=
h was superior. They were foolish, not smart enough to adopt the original i=
nstructions, of either the so-called "pure" sea path or the so-called "new"=
path or other variations, for the changed geography and changed times. Man=
y followed the instructions blindly, hit roadblocks and did not reach sea. =
Many did not even know that "reaching the sea" was the actual goal of all t=
heir joirneys. They only thought they were supposed to follow the instructi=
ons faithfully and there was no need to adopt to the changed geographical t=
erritory and time. They even condemned those who actually went to sea, came=
back and gave updated directions for their place and=C2=A0time, for violat=
ing tradition.
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*=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *
=C2=A0
In case the analogy is not cl=
ear, here is a brief summary of its points. Veda is about realizing self. V=
eda describes various aspects of=C2=A0the state of self-realization. That i=
s why it is considered the highest knowledge. Other allied subjects throw s=
ome light on possible ways to reach that state. While definitive statements=
can be made on the actual state of self-realization itself, no definitive =
statements can be made on how to reach it. The path depends on one's curren=
t position!
=C2=A0
Great men in many spiritual paths, within Hinduism as we=
ll as outside of it, came, experienced that state, understood the current s=
tate of people around them=C2=A0and gave specific instructions on how to re=
ach that state from the current state. Some followed the instructions and e=
xperienced the state. Some instead kept arguing about the contradictions be=
tween paths.
=C2=A0
Please re-read the story and try to understand what eac=
h part of the story represents. If you understand this analogy well, this c=
an really clarify the meaningless nature of so many debates that people was=
te time with!
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*=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *
=C2=A0
> 2. I read from somewhere that=

Sri Sri Adi Sankara has condemned
> Tantrik practices. But I also hear and=
read that he is a great Sri Vidya
> Upasaka himself. If Sri Vidya has its =
roots from Tantra, what did
> Sri Adi Sankara condemn?
=C2=A0
He did conde=
mn some vaamaachaara (left-hand) practices of tantra like the use of sex, a=
lcohol, meat etc.
=C2=A0
However, please go back to my analogy. A great man=
may condemn the use of a short path to reach the sea if it has a lot of wi=
ld animals and=C2=A0dacoits and many travellers through that path recently =
lost their lives. It does not mean that path is totally unusable. It only m=
eans that too many people incapable of travelling on that path are using it=
of late and so the great man was compelled to stop the practice.
=C2=A0
If=
the same great man is reincarnated at a different time when several adept =
souls he has a rina with are about to be reincarnated, he may not condemn t=
he path and instead write on travelling that jungle path carefully!
=C2=A0
=
The words of great masters need to be interpreted within the context of the=
ir desa, kaala and paatra and within the context of the purpose of that par=
ticular birth.
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*=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *
=C2=A0
> 3. What is vamachara? if i=

t is the left hand method - sex, drinks etc,
> why must it be practiced at =
all?
=C2=A0
Suppose one's house is close to the market and the market noise=
reaches one's house. Suppose that noise=C2=A0is disturbing one's meditatio=
n, i.e. one is unable to focus on god amid all the noise. There are two app=
roaches one can take - (1) run away from the noise, find a place of solitud=
e and meditate there. (2) rise to the challenge, meditate right there and d=
evelop the ability to turn off the sensory input to the mind, i.e. get mast=
ery and control over the part of the mind that is making one vulnerable to =
this disturbance. After all, the noise from outside is NOT the problem - th=
e problem is the *inability* of one's mind to turn off that sensory input. =
By controlling one's mind, one can focus attention on god irrespective of w=
hat is happening outside.
=C2=A0
Approach (1) is not bad. If one is weak-mi=
nded and has a decent chance of failure with approach (2), then approach (1=
) is definitely prudent and worthwhile. But, if one has a strong mind and c=
an succeed with approach (2), it is great. It hastens one's progress.
=C2=
=A0
*=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *
=C2=A0
Vaamaachaara is also like that, but a more extr=
eme form of testing one's self-control by rising to the challenge.
=C2=A0
P=
lease realize that vaamaachaara/ aghora is not about the use of sex, wine e=
tc for the kick of it. It is about their use to test oneself with the tough=
est challenges and hone one's self-control. Self-realization comes when sel=
f-control is perfect and one's mind can always be focussed on god no matter=
what is going on around one. If one is either attracted or averse to any o=
ne thing, that is enough to block self-realization.
=C2=A0
However, if one =
is weak, it is better to stay away from vaamaachaara. One needs to do other=
practices and strengthen oneself. If a really pure yogi with perfect self-=
control is able to focus on god with all his mind even when he is drunk and=
sitting naked with a beautiful naked woman tightly embracing him, then he =
can try that to test his self-control and hone it. But, if that is going to=
=C2=A0tempt one, get the mind away from god and onto a physical enjoyment, =
then one better not try that path! Just as one who does not have a strong m=
ind to meditate amid noise should meditate in solitude and hone one's self-=
control, one who does not have a strong mind to keep the focus on god in th=
e middle of normally depriving practices such as wine, meat and sex should =
stay away from those.
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*=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *
=C2=A0
In my analogy before, t=
he short jungle path to the sea having the danger of wild animals and dacoi=
ts represents the vaamaachaara path of aghora. If one not having the wherew=
ithal to battle and kill the wild animals and dacoits tries that path, one =
may be killed. Similarly, one who wants self-realization using this path wi=
ll fall if one does not have perfect self-control. If one takes this path b=
ecause it sounds cool or exciting, one is likely to fall. It is only for th=
e fittest and bravest.
=C2=A0
If there is ANY weakness in one's self-contro=
l, one can NOT follow this path. Just as there are many paths from the dese=
rt to the sea in my analogy, there are many paths to self-realization. One =
should follow the path that is appropriate for one based on previous samska=
ras, strengths and weaknesses.
=C2=A0
*=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0
> Is it not a f=
act that Sri Ambal lies above all these?
=C2=A0
:-) Sri Ambal (the Divine =
Mother) does not lie above or below anything. She lies everywhere! All know=
ledge, all desires and all actions of all beings are Her own different mani=
festations.
=C2=A0
If a yogi with perfect self-control drinks wine and=C2=
=A0sits naked with a beautiful naked woman tightly embracing him and yet ke=
eps his mind fully focussed on god, his self-control, his focus on god are =
all different manifestations of the Divine Mother only.
=C2=A0
As a matter =
of fact, even if one gives in to base instincts and pursues carnal pleasure=
s, his desires and actions are also different manifestations of Divine Moth=
er only. The Mother gives rise to so many lower level forms with specific d=
omains of responsibility. The Mother takes the form of Lakshmi and Alakshmi=
as well. She takes the form of Vidya and Avidya as well. All opposites and=
polarities are actually Her manifestations only.
=C2=A0
However, those who=
are more comfortable with Lakshmi and Vidya and uncomfortable with Alakshm=
i and Avidya will look at only the former pair as manifestation of Divine M=
other and remain in duality. That is a valid point of view. However, the *u=
ltimate* reality is that She is All.
=C2=A0
I need to sleep now. I will sto=
p here. Hope that put a few things in perspective. You can send further que=
stions to the yahoogroups or to me privately.
=C2=A0
Best regards,
Narasimh=
a
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Sri Sri NarasimhaJI

Namaskarams. Hope you remember me. I a=
m a friend of <deleted> of <deleted> temple, brother of <deleted>. We met a=
couple of years ago=C2=A0in <deleted> temple.
=C2=A0
I have a few doubts. =
I would like to hear your opinion on the same.
=C2=A0
1. Are Vedic (Pure Va=
ithika rituals) different from Mantra Shastras (people explain that mantra =
shastra does not originate from the vedas, but classified under tantra). Di=
d Mantra shastras not originate from vedas?
=C2=A0
2. I read from somewhere=
that Sri Sri Adi Sankara has condemned Tantrik practices. But I also hear =
and read that he is a great Sri Vidya Upasaka himself. If Sri Vidya has its=
roots from Tantra, what did Sri Adi Sankara condemn?
=C2=A0
3. What is va=
machara? if it is the left hand method - sex, drinks etc, why must it be pr=
acticed at all? Is it not a fact that Sri Ambal lies above all these?
=C2=
=A0
I am a little (totally) confused. Hope your reply takes me out of the w=
ell to ask you more questions
=C2=A0
Namaskarams
Venkat
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV><BR>Respected Sir,</DIV>
<DIV> </DI=
V>
<DIV>That is one amazing mail you have send. Honestly, I appreciate=
the depth and solidity of your knowledge. It just could not have been put =
in better and more effective words. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Without y=
our permission, I forwarded your mail and send it to some of my friends to =
read (along with your name of course!).. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am=
sorry if i have acted wrongly by distributing your mail without taking pri=
or permission. I sincerely apologize.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<=
DIV> Rajarshi</DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><=
SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This abo=
ve all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG>=
</EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 18/8/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@=
charter.net></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Narasimha P.=
V.R. Rao <pvr@...><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Analogy: Veda, =
Aagama, Tantra, Aghora etc<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, sivacharya@=
yahoogroups.com, sohamsa@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Monday, 18 August, 2008, =
10:13 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv812638782>
<DIV>
<DIV><F=
ONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Namaste Sir,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There is no =
need for either Sri or Ji in addressing me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hoping =
you won't mind, I am sending this reply to some yahoogroups that may have s=
ome interested people. </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When I was medita=
ting before replying to you, a really beautiful and meaningful analogy came=
to me and I think it is worth sharing with more people than just you. </FO=
NT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To ensure your anonymity, I removed referenc=
es in the quoted mail below that may help one identify you.</FONT></DIV>
<D=
size=3D2>* * &nb=
sp; *</FONT></DIV>
;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>First I will answer your fi=
rst question in detail, because that can automatically answer other questio=
ns.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> 1. Are Vedic (Pure Vaithika rituals)=

different from Mantra Shastras</FONT></DIV>
=3D2>> (people explain that mantra shastra does not originate from the v=
edas,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> but classified und=
er tantra). Did Mantra shastras not originate from vedas?</FONT></DIV></DIV=
>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
e=3DArial size=3D2>* * =
; *</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When people=
say what is in Veda and what is not, honestly I can only laugh. They are o=
nly fooling themselves. Reciting Veda with perfect swara or mastering a cel=
ebrated commentary does not help one understand Veda. In fact, understandin=
g each single verse in Veda requires great tapascharya. Understanding a ver=
se in Veda is neither possible with energy flowing in Ida nadi (intuition) =
nor in Pingala nadi (logic and analysis). It is possible only with energy f=
lowing in Sushumna nadi. It is possible with neither intuition nor logic, b=
ut only with *revelation* and simply, for the lack of a better expression, =
direct knowledge.</FONT></DIV>
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When one meditates long enough on=
a verse, the verse may simply be revealed to the yogi. THAT is the only wa=
y to understand a Vedic verse. For most people, it is not possible to decip=
her even a single verse in an entire life, let alone a passage.</FONT></DIV=
>
ial size=3D2>Bottomoline is: Almost nobody understands Veda today. What are=
considered "pure vaidika rituals" are merely another variety of rituals cr=
eated by someone at some point of time. From the point of view of authentic=
ity as granted by Veda, there is no difference between them and other aagam=
ic rituals, though people ignorantly believe otherwise.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
<DIV>
l size=3D2>* * &=
nbsp; *</FONT></DIV></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A simple analogy =
may help clarify a lot of things related to this complicated issue a little=
. What the thing in the analogy represents is shown here and there in squar=
e brackets [].</FONT></DIV>
/DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Once there were many people who live=
d near the sea [Brahman/Aatman] . They regularly sat by the sea and enjoyed=
the sight and sound of the sea [experienced Brahman]. They described =
the sea in some nice cryptic poems [Veda].</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As peopl=
e started living a little away from the sea [less spiritually evolved], som=
eone had to put together some instructions on how to reach the sea. He said=
, "keep walking towards east" and the instructions grew with time. People f=
aithfully followed the instructions [rituals].</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Peop=
le started moving further and further inland and started living in a landlo=
cked desert far away from the sea. This generation had never seen a pool of=
water like a lake, let alone a sea. T</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>he=
y faithfully performed the ritual of walking towards east, but did not find=
sea. They debated endlessly whether one had to walk one mile or two miles =
or three miles and formed different schools of thought. Some walked their c=
hosen distance, found a tree or a building or some interesting object =
and even became satisfied that that was sea!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Then=
came some great person, whose instincts led him to take a horse instead of=
walking and ride it for a long distance [use of other tools]. He did find =
the sea after a few months. He put together newer instructions to reach the=
sea, which included riding a horse [new aagamas].</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
People performing the old rituals objected to this and said "but then this =
horse thing is not granted by the book of sea. This is a new path and diffe=
rent from the "pure" sea ritual" ["pure" Vedic ritual]. By now, people did =
not even understand what the cryptic poems of the original "book of sea" me=
an, but they simply believed that those poems taught the old "pure" sea rit=
uals that they were used to. They were blissfully unaware that the original=
instructions were meant for someone already close to sea and the newer ins=
tructions came from someone who actually saw the sea and knew where they cu=
rrently lived and how to get to the sea from there!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
>Slowly many new sets of instructions involving horses, chariots etc were t=
aught and many new paths to the sea were outlined instead of just=
instructing people to walk towards east [evolution of mantra/tantra/ =
yantras].</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One particular path through jungles was d=

angerous [aghora and other dark tantric paths involving practice of sex, me=
at, wine etc]. Though the distance to sea was much shorter through tha=
t jungle, it was just too dangerous and only the bravest and strongest coul=
d make it. There were cruel dacoits and wild animals [chance of a fall in a=
risky ritual] and many weak people travelling to sea via that path were ki=
lled. A wise man who knew the entire territory well came forward, cond=
emned that path and discouraged people from trying that path. Since then, e=
ven people who were strong enough to successfully make it in that path desi=
sted from it.</FONT></DIV>
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As time progressed, people started fi=
ghting too much about whose path was superior. They were foolish, not smart=
enough to adopt the original instructions, of either the so-called "pure" =
sea path or the so-called "new" path or other variations, for the changed g=
eography and changed times. Many followed the instructions blindly, hit roa=
dblocks and did not reach sea. Many did not even know that "reaching the se=
a" was the actual goal of all their joirneys. They only thought they were s=
upposed to follow the instructions faithfully and there was no need to adop=
t to the changed geographical territory and time. They even condemned those=
who actually went to sea, came back and gave updated directions for their =
place and time, for violating tradition.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>*&nb=
sp; * &nbs=
p; *</FONT></DIV>
>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In case the analogy is not clear, here i=
s a brief summary of its points. Veda is about realizing self. Veda describ=
es various aspects of the state of self-realization. That is why it is=
considered the highest knowledge. Other allied subjects throw some light o=
n possible ways to reach that state. While definitive statements can be mad=
e on the actual state of self-realization itself, no definitive statements =
can be made on how to reach it. The path depends on one's current position!=
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FO=
NT face=3DArial size=3D2>Great men in many spiritual paths, within Hinduism=
as well as outside of it, came, experienced that state, understood the cur=
rent state of people around them and gave specific instructions on how=
to reach that state from the current state. Some followed the instructions=
and experienced the state. Some instead kept arguing about the contradicti=
ons between paths.</FONT></DIV>
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Please re-read the story and try=
to understand what each part of the story represents. If you understand th=
is analogy well, this can really clarify the meaningless nature of so many =
debates that people waste time with!</FONT></DIV>
nbsp; * *=
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<D=
IV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> 2. I read from somewhere that Sri Sri A=
di Sankara has condemned</FONT></DIV>
Tantrik practices. But I also hear and read that he is a great Sri Vidya</=
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Upasaka himself. If Sri V=
idya has its roots from Tantra, what did</FONT></DIV>
al size=3D2>> Sri Adi Sankara condemn? </FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>He=
did condemn some vaamaachaara (left-hand) practices of tantra like the use=
of sex, alcohol, meat etc.</FONT></DIV>
nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, please go back=
to my analogy. A great man may condemn the use of a short path to reach th=
e sea if it has a lot of wild animals and dacoits and many travellers =
through that path recently lost their lives. It does not mean that path is =
totally unusable. It only means that too many people incapable of travellin=
g on that path are using it of late and so the great man was compelled to s=
top the practice.</FONT></DIV>
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If the same great man is reincarn=
ated at a different time when several adept souls he has a rina with are ab=
out to be reincarnated, he may not condemn the path and instead write on tr=
avelling that jungle path carefully!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The words of g=
reat masters need to be interpreted within the context of their desa, kaala=
and paatra and within the context of the purpose of that particular birth.=
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<D=
IV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* =
* *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV>
2>> 3. What is vamachara? if it is the left hand method - sex, drinks et=
c,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> why must it be practi=
ced at all?</FONT></DIV>
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Suppose one's house is close to the mar=
ket and the market noise reaches one's house. Suppose that noise is di=
sturbing one's meditation, i.e. one is unable to focus on god amid all the =
noise. There are two approaches one can take - (1) run away from the noise,=
find a place of solitude and meditate there. (2) rise to the challenge, me=
ditate right there and develop the ability to turn off the sensory input to=
the mind, i.e. get mastery and control over the part of the mind that is m=
aking one vulnerable to this disturbance. After all, the noise from outside=
is NOT the problem - the problem is the *inability* of one's mind to turn =
off that sensory input. By controlling one's mind, one can focus attention =
on god irrespective of what is happening outside.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT f=
pproach (1) is not bad. If one is weak-minded and has a decent chance of fa=
ilure with approach (2), then approach (1) is definitely prudent and worthw=
hile. But, if one has a strong mind and can succeed with approach (2), it i=
s great. It hastens one's progress.</FONT></DIV>
bsp; * *<=
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FON=
T face=3DArial size=3D2>Vaamaachaara is also like that, but a more extreme =
form of testing one's self-control by rising to the challenge.</FONT></DIV>=

al size=3D2>Please realize that vaamaachaara/ aghora is not about the use o=
f sex, wine etc for the kick of it. It is about their use to test oneself w=
ith the toughest challenges and hone one's self-control. Self-realization c=
omes when self-control is perfect and one's mind can always be focussed on =
god no matter what is going on around one. If one is either attracted or av=
erse to any one thing, that is enough to block self-realization.</FONT></DI=
V>
rial size=3D2>However, if one is weak, it is better to stay away from vaama=
achaara. One needs to do other practices and strengthen oneself. If a reall=
y pure yogi with perfect self-control is able to focus on god with all his =
mind even when he is drunk and sitting naked with a beautiful naked woman t=
ightly embracing him, then he can try that to test his self-control and hon=
e it. But, if that is going to tempt one, get the mind away from god a=
nd onto a physical enjoyment, then one better not try that path! Just as on=
e who does not have a strong mind to meditate amid noise should meditate in=
solitude and hone one's self-control, one who does not have a strong mind =
to keep the focus on god in the middle of normally depriving practices such=
as wine, meat and sex should stay away from those.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
<DIV>
ze=3D2>* * =
; *</FONT></DIV>
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In my analogy before, the sho=
rt jungle path to the sea having the danger of wild animals and dacoits rep=
resents the vaamaachaara path of aghora. If one not having the wherewithal =
to battle and kill the wild animals and dacoits tries that path, one may be=
killed. Similarly, one who wants self-realization using this path will fal=
l if one does not have perfect self-control. If one takes this path because=
it sounds cool or exciting, one is likely to fall. It is only for the fitt=
est and bravest.</FONT></DIV>
></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If there is ANY weakness in one's =
self-control, one can NOT follow this path. Just as there are many paths fr=
om the desert to the sea in my analogy, there are many paths to self-realiz=
ation. One should follow the path that is appropriate for one based on prev=
ious samskaras, strengths and weaknesses.</FONT></DIV>
bsp; * &nb=
sp; *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV></DI=
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Is it not a fact that Sri Ambal li=
es above all these? </FONT></DIV>
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>:-) Sri Ambal (the Divine Moth=
er) does not lie above or below anything. She lies everywhere! All knowledg=
e, all desires and all actions of all beings are Her own different manifest=
ations.</FONT></DIV>
<=
DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If a yogi with perfect self-control drinks =
wine and sits naked with a beautiful naked woman tightly embracing him=
and yet keeps his mind fully focussed on god, his self-control, his focus =
on god are all different manifestations of the Divine Mother only.</FONT></=
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>As a matter of fact, even if one gives in to base instinc=
ts and pursues carnal pleasures, his desires and actions are also different=
manifestations of Divine Mother only. The Mother gives rise to so many low=
er level forms with specific domains of responsibility. The Mother takes th=
e form of Lakshmi and Alakshmi as well. She takes the form of Vidya and Avi=
dya as well. All opposites and polarities are actually Her manifestations o=
nly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, those who are more comfortable with L=
akshmi and Vidya and uncomfortable with Alakshmi and Avidya will look at on=
ly the former pair as manifestation of Divine Mother and remain in duality.=
That is a valid point of view. However, the *ultimate* reality is that She=
is All.</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I need to sleep now. I will stop here. Hop=
e that put a few things in perspective. You can send further questions to t=
he yahoogroups or to me privately.</FONT></DIV>
e=3D2> </FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sri Sri Narasi=
mhaJI</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Namaskarams. Hope you r=
emember me. I am a friend of <deleted> of <deleted> temple, bro=
ther of <deleted>. We met a couple of years ago in <deleted&g=
t; temple.</FONT></DIV>
>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have a few doubts. I would like to hea=
r your opinion on the same.</FONT></DIV>
/FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1. Are Vedic (Pure Vait=
hika rituals) different from Mantra Shastras (people explain that mantra sh=
astra does not originate from the vedas, but classified under tantra). Did =
Mantra shastras not originate from vedas?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2. I read=
from somewhere that Sri Sri Adi Sankara has condemned Tantrik practices. B=
ut I also hear and read that he is a great Sri Vidya Upasaka himself. If Sr=
i Vidya has its roots from Tantra, what did Sri Adi Sankara condemn? </FONT=
></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
e=3DArial size=3D2>3. What is vamachara? if it is the left hand method - se=
x, drinks etc, why must it be practiced at all? Is it not a fact that Sri A=
mbal lies above all these? </FONT></DIV>
/FONT> </DIV>
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confused. Hope your reply takes me out of the well to ask you more questio=
ns</FONT></DIV>
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I am a fool with neither "depth" nor "solidity" of knowledge. Bu=

t I may have been chosen by some gurus for an expression of some knowledge =
and ideas they wanted to get out into the world. So sometimes some nice wor=
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m] Analogy: Veda, Aagama, Tantra, Aghora etc
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That is one amazing mail you have send. Honestly, I appreciate the dep=
th and solidity of your knowledge. It just could not have been put in bette=
r and more effective words.
Without your permission, I forwarded =

your mail and send it to some of my friends to read (along with your name o=
f course!)..
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Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Analogy: Veda, Aagama, Tantra, Aghora etc
=
To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, sivacharya@yahoogroups.com, soham=
sa@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 18 August, 2008, 10:13 AM
=
Namaste Sir,
There is no need for either Sri or Ji in addr=

essing me.
Hoping you won't mind, I am sending this reply to som=

e yahoogroups that may have some interested people. When I was meditating b=
efore replying to you, a really beautiful and meaningful analogy came to me=
and I think it is worth sharing with more people than just you. To ensure =
your anonymity, I removed references in the quoted mail below that may help=
one identify you.
* * *
First I will a=
nswer your first question in detail, because that can automatically answer =
other questions.
> 1. Are Vedic (Pure Vaithika rituals) differen=

t from Mantra Shastras
> (people explain that mantra shastra does=
not originate from the vedas,
> but classified under tantra). Di=
d Mantra shastras not originate from vedas?
* * *
=
When people say what is in Veda and what is not, honestly I can =
only laugh. They are only fooling themselves. Reciting Veda with perfect sw=
ara or mastering a celebrated commentary does not help one understand Veda.=
In fact, understanding each single verse in Veda requires great tapaschary=
a. Understanding a verse in Veda is neither possible with energy flowing in=
Ida nadi (intuition) nor in Pingala nadi (logic and analysis). It is possi=
ble only with energy flowing in Sushumna nadi. It is possible with neither =
intuition nor logic, but only with *revelation* and simply, for the lack of=
a better expression, direct knowledge.
When one meditates long =

enough on a verse, the verse may simply be revealed to the yogi. THAT is th=
e only way to understand a Vedic verse. For most people, it is not possible=
to decipher even a single verse in an entire life, let alone a passage.
=
Bottomoline is: Almost nobody understands Veda today. What are con=
sidered "pure vaidika rituals" are merely another variety of rituals create=
d by someone at some point of time. From the point of view of authenticity =
as granted by Veda, there is no difference between them and other aagamic r=
ituals, though people ignorantly believe otherwise.
* * =
*
A simple analogy may help clarify a lot of things relate=

d to this complicated issue a little. What the thing in the analogy represe=
nts is shown here and there in square brackets [].
Once there we=

re many people who lived near the sea [Brahman/Aatman] . They regularly sat=
by the sea and enjoyed the sight and sound of the sea [experienced Brahman=
]. They described the sea in some nice cryptic poems [Veda].
As =
people started living a little away from the sea [less spiritually evolved]=
, someone had to put together some instructions on how to reach the sea. He=
said, "keep walking towards east" and the instructions grew with time. Peo=
ple faithfully followed the instructions [rituals].
People start=
ed moving further and further inland and started living in a landlocked des=
ert far away from the sea. This generation had never seen a pool of water l=
ike a lake, let alone a sea. They faithfully performed the ritual of walkin=
g towards east, but did not find sea. They debated endlessly whether one ha=
d to walk one mile or two miles or three miles and formed different schools=
of thought. Some walked their chosen distance, found a tree or a building =
or some interesting object and even became satisfied that that was sea!
=
Then came some great person, whose instincts led him to take a hors=
e instead of walking and ride it for a long distance [use of other tools]. =
He did find the sea after a few months. He put together newer instructions =
to reach the sea, which included riding a horse [new aagamas].
P=
eople performing the old rituals objected to this and said "but then this h=
orse thing is not granted by the book of sea. This is a new path and differ=
ent from the "pure" sea ritual" ["pure" Vedic ritual]. By now, people did n=
ot even understand what the cryptic poems of the original "book of sea" mea=
n, but they simply believed that those poems taught the old "pure" sea ritu=
als that they were used to. They were blissfully unaware that the original =
instructions were meant for someone already close to sea and the newer inst=
ructions came from someone who actually saw the sea and knew where they cur=
rently lived and how to get to the sea from there!
Slowly many n=
ew sets of instructions involving horses, chariots etc were taught and many=
new paths to the sea were outlined instead of just instructing people to w=
alk towards east [evolution of mantra/tantra/ yantras].
One part=
icular path through jungles was dangerous [aghora and other dark tantric pa=
ths involving practice of sex, meat, wine etc]. Though the distance to sea =
was much shorter through that jungle, it was just too dangerous and only th=
e bravest and strongest could make it. There were cruel dacoits and wild an=
imals [chance of a fall in a risky ritual] and many weak people travelling =
to sea via that path were killed. A wise man who knew the entire territory =
well came forward, condemned that path and discouraged people from trying t=
hat path. Since then, even people who were strong enough to successfully ma=
ke it in that path desisted from it.
As time progressed, people =

started fighting too much about whose path was superior. They were foolish,=
not smart enough to adopt the original instructions, of either the so-call=
ed "pure" sea path or the so-called "new" path or other variations, for the=
changed geography and changed times. Many followed the instructions blindl=
y, hit roadblocks and did not reach sea. Many did not even know that "reach=
ing the sea" was the actual goal of all their joirneys. They only thought t=
hey were supposed to follow the instructions faithfully and there was no ne=
ed to adopt to the changed geographical territory and time. They even conde=
mned those who actually went to sea, came back and gave updated directions =
for their place and time, for violating tradition.
* * =
*
In case the analogy is not clear, here is a brief summary=

of its points. Veda is about realizing self. Veda describes various aspect=
s of the state of self-realization. That is why it is considered the highes=
t knowledge. Other allied subjects throw some light on possible ways to rea=
ch that state. While definitive statements can be made on the actual state =
of self-realization itself, no definitive statements can be made on how to =
reach it. The path depends on one's current position!
Great men =
in many spiritual paths, within Hinduism as well as outside of it, came, ex=
perienced that state, understood the current state of people around them an=
d gave specific instructions on how to reach that state from the current st=
ate. Some followed the instructions and experienced the state. Some instead=
kept arguing about the contradictions between paths.
Please re-=
read the story and try to understand what each part of the story represents=
. If you understand this analogy well, this can really clarify the meaningl=
ess nature of so many debates that people waste time with!
* =
* *
> 2. I read from somewhere that Sri Sri Adi Sanka=

ra has condemned
> Tantrik practices. But I also hear and read th=
at he is a great Sri Vidya
> Upasaka himself. If Sri Vidya has it=
s roots from Tantra, what did
=
He did condemn some vaamaachaara (left-hand) practices of tantra like t=
he use of sex, alcohol, meat etc.
However, please go back to my =

analogy. A great man may condemn the use of a short path to reach the sea i=
f it has a lot of wild animals and dacoits and many travellers through that=
path recently lost their lives. It does not mean that path is totally unus=
able. It only means that too many people incapable of travelling on that pa=
th are using it of late and so the great man was compelled to stop the prac=
tice.
If the same great man is reincarnated at a different time =

when several adept souls he has a rina with are about to be reincarnated, h=
e may not condemn the path and instead write on travelling that jungle path=
carefully!
The words of great masters need to be interpreted wi=

thin the context of their desa, kaala and paatra and within the context of =
the purpose of that particular birth.
* * *
=
> 3. What is vamachara? if it is the left hand method - sex, drinks et=
c,
> why must it be practiced at all?
Suppose one's ho=

use is close to the market and the market noise reaches one's house. Suppos=
e that noise is disturbing one's meditation, i.e. one is unable to focus on=
god amid all the noise. There are two approaches one can take - (1) run aw=
ay from the noise, find a place of solitude and meditate there. (2) rise to=
the challenge, meditate right there and develop the ability to turn off th=
e sensory input to the mind, i.e. get mastery and control over the part of =
the mind that is making one vulnerable to this disturbance. After all, the =
noise from outside is NOT the problem - the problem is the *inability* of o=
ne's mind to turn off that sensory input. By controlling one's mind, one ca=
n focus attention on god irrespective of what is happening outside.
=
Approach (1) is not bad. If one is weak-minded and has a decent chance =
of failure with approach (2), then approach (1) is definitely prudent and w=
orthwhile. But, if one has a strong mind and can succeed with approach (2),=
it is great. It hastens one's progress.
* * *
=
Vaamaachaara is also like that, but a more extreme form of testing =
one's self-control by rising to the challenge.
Please realize th=

at vaamaachaara/ aghora is not about the use of sex, wine etc for the kick =
of it. It is about their use to test oneself with the toughest challenges a=
nd hone one's self-control. Self-realization comes when self-control is per=
fect and one's mind can always be focussed on god no matter what is going o=
n around one. If one is either attracted or averse to any one thing, that i=
s enough to block self-realization.
However, if one is weak, it =

is better to stay away from vaamaachaara. One needs to do other practices a=
nd strengthen oneself. If a really pure yogi with perfect self-control is a=
ble to focus on god with all his mind even when he is drunk and sitting nak=
ed with a beautiful naked woman tightly embracing him, then he can try that=
to test his self-control and hone it. But, if that is going to tempt one, =
get the mind away from god and onto a physical enjoyment, then one better n=
ot try that path! Just as one who does not have a strong mind to meditate a=
mid noise should meditate in solitude and hone one's self-control, one who =
does not have a strong mind to keep the focus on god in the middle of norma=
lly depriving practices such as wine, meat and sex should stay away from th=
ose.
* * *
In my analogy before, the sh=

ort jungle path to the sea having the danger of wild animals and dacoits re=
presents the vaamaachaara path of aghora. If one not having the wherewithal=
to battle and kill the wild animals and dacoits tries that path, one may b=
e killed. Similarly, one who wants self-realization using this path will fa=
ll if one does not have perfect self-control. If one takes this path becaus=
e it sounds cool or exciting, one is likely to fall. It is only for the fit=
test and bravest.
If there is ANY weakness in one's self-control=

, one can NOT follow this path. Just as there are many paths from the deser=
t to the sea in my analogy, there are many paths to self-realization. One s=
hould follow the path that is appropriate for one based on previous samskar=
as, strengths and weaknesses.
* * *
> I=
s it not a fact that Sri Ambal lies above all these?
:-) Sri Am=

bal (the Divine Mother) does not lie above or below anything. She lies ever=
ywhere! All knowledge, all desires and all actions of all beings are Her ow=
n different manifestations.
If a yogi with perfect self-control =

drinks wine and sits naked with a beautiful naked woman tightly embracing h=
im and yet keeps his mind fully focussed on god, his self-control, his focu=
s on god are all different manifestations of the Divine Mother only.
=
As a matter of fact, even if one gives in to base instincts and pursue=
s carnal pleasures, his desires and actions are also different manifestatio=
ns of Divine Mother only. The Mother gives rise to so many lower level form=
s with specific domains of responsibility. The Mother takes the form of Lak=
shmi and Alakshmi as well. She takes the form of Vidya and Avidya as well. =
All opposites and polarities are actually Her manifestations only.
=
However, those who are more comfortable with Lakshmi and Vidya and uncom=
fortable with Alakshmi and Avidya will look at only the former pair as mani=
festation of Divine Mother and remain in duality. That is a valid point of =
view. However, the *ultimate* reality is that She is All.
I need=
to sleep now. I will stop here. Hope that put a few things in perspective.=
You can send further questions to the yahoogroups or to me privately.
=
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Namaskarams. Hope you remember me. I am a frien=
d of <deleted> of <deleted> temple, brother of <deleted>. We met a couple o=
f years ago in <deleted> temple.
I have a few doubts. I would =

like to hear your opinion on the same.
1. Are Vedic (Pure Vait=

hika rituals) different from Mantra Shastras (people explain that mantra sh=
astra does not originate from the vedas, but classified under tantra). Did =
Mantra shastras not originate from vedas?
2. I read from somew=

here that Sri Sri Adi Sankara has condemned Tantrik practices. But I also h=
ear and read that he is a great Sri Vidya Upasaka himself. If Sri Vidya has=
its roots from Tantra, what did Sri Adi Sankara condemn?
3. =
What is vamachara? if it is the left hand method - sex, drinks etc, why mus=
t it be practiced at all? Is it not a fact that Sri Ambal lies above all th=
ese?
I am a little (totally) confused. Hope your reply takes =

me out of the well to ask you more questions
Namaskarams
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</B>
<A title=3Drajarshi14@... href=3D"mailto:rajarshi14@yahoo.c=
o.in">rajarshi
nandy</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:=
</B> <A title=3Dvedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com
href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom=
@yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style=
=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 18, 2008 1:50
AM</DIV>=
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [vedic-wisdom] Analo=

gy:
Veda, Aagama, Tantra, Aghora etc</DIV>
e=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>
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ial size=3D2></FONT><BR>Respected Sir,</DIV>
<DIV>That is one amazing mail you ha=
ve send. Honestly, I appreciate
the depth and solidity of you=
r knowledge. It just could not have been
put in better and more ef=
fective words. </DIV>
;</DIV>
<DIV>Without your permission, I forwarded your mail and sen=
d it to some
of my friends to read (along with your name of course=
!).. </DIV>
=
<DIV>I am sorry if i have acted wrongly by distributing your mail
=
without taking prior permission. I sincerely apologize.<BR></DI=
V>
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV> Rajarshi</DIV>
<D=
IV><EM><STRONG>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN
style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This above
=
all: to thine own self be true!" -
Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV><=
/STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon,
18/8/08, Narasimha P.V.R=
. Rao <I><pvr@...></I></B>
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCK=
QUOTE
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: r=
gb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:
Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@char=
ter.net><BR>Subject:
[vedic-wisdom] Analogy: Veda, Aagama, Ta=
ntra, Aghora etc<BR>To:
vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, sivacharya=
@yahoogroups.com,
sohamsa@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Monday, 18 Au=
gust, 2008, 10:13
AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv812638782>
=
<DIV>
rial size=3D2>Namaste Sir,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ther=
e is no need for either Sri or Ji in
addressing me.</FONT></DIV>=
<=
DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hoping you won't mind, I am sending this
=
reply to some yahoogroups that may have some interested people.
=
</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When I was meditating before re=
plying
to you, a really beautiful and meaningful analogy came to=
me and I
think it is worth sharing with more people than just y=
ou. </FONT><FONT
face=3DArial size=3D2>To ensure your anonymity,=
I removed references in
the quoted mail below that may help one=
identify you.</FONT></DIV>
NT> </DIV>
size=3D2>*&nbs=
p;
* =
*</FONT></DIV>
2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>First I wi=
ll answer your first question
in detail, because that can automa=
tically answer other
questions.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FON=
<DIV>
<DIV>=
<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> 1. Are Vedic (Pure Vaithika rituals)
=
different from Mantra Shastras</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>> (people explain that mantra shastra
does =
not originate from the vedas,</FONT></DIV>
l size=3D2>> but classified under tantra). Did
Mantra shastra=
s not originate from vedas?</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
e=3DArial
size=3D2>*
=
* *</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></DIV>
<D=
IV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When people say what is in Veda and what
=
is not, honestly I can only laugh. They are only fooling themselves=
.
Reciting Veda with perfect swara or mastering a celebrated com=
mentary
does not help one understand Veda. In fact, understandin=
g each single
verse in Veda requires great tapascharya. Understa=
nding a verse in
Veda is neither possible with energy flowing in=
Ida nadi (intuition)
nor in Pingala nadi (logic and analysis). =
It is possible only with
energy flowing in Sushumna nadi. It is =
possible with neither intuition
nor logic, but only with *revela=
tion* and simply, for the lack of a
better expression, direct kn=
owledge.</FONT></DIV>
sp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When one meditates lon=
g enough on a
verse, the verse may simply be revealed to the yog=
i. THAT is the only
way to understand a Vedic verse. For most pe=
ople, it is not possible
to decipher even a single verse in an e=
ntire life, let alone a
passage.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FO=
ial size=3D2>Bottomoline is: Almost nobody understands
Veda toda=
y. What are considered "pure vaidika rituals" are merely
another=
variety of rituals created by someone at some point of time.
Fr=
om the point of view of authenticity as granted by Veda, there is no
=
difference between them and other aagamic rituals, though people
=
ignorantly believe otherwise.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial
size=3D2>* =
;
* *</FONT></DIV></DI=
V>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A simple analogy may help clarify a lot
=
of things related to this complicated issue a little. What the th=
ing
in the analogy represents is shown here and there in square =
brackets
[].</FONT></DIV>
=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Once th=
ere were many people who lived
near the sea [Brahman/Aatman] . T=
hey regularly sat by the sea and
enjoyed the sight and soun=
d of the sea [experienced Brahman].
They described the sea in so=
me nice cryptic poems [Veda].</FONT></DIV>
s people started living a little away
from the sea [less spiritu=
ally evolved], someone had to put together
some instructions on =
how to reach the sea. He said, "keep walking
towards east" and t=
he instructions grew with time. People faithfully
followed the i=
nstructions [rituals].</FONT></DIV>
=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>People =
started moving further and further
inland and started living in =
a landlocked desert far away from the
sea. This generation had n=
ever seen a pool of water like a lake, let
alone a sea. T</FONT>=
<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>hey faithfully performed
the ritual =
of walking towards east, but did not find sea. They debated
endl=
essly whether one had to walk one mile or two miles or three miles
=
and formed different schools of thought. Some walked their chosen
=
distance, found a tree or a building or some interesting
ob=
ject and even became satisfied that that was sea!</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FON=
T face=3DArial size=3D2>Then came some great person, whose
insti=
ncts led him to take a horse instead of walking and ride it for a
=
long distance [use of other tools]. He did find the sea after a few
=
months. He put together newer instructions to reach the sea, which
=
included riding a horse [new aagamas].</FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>People performing the old rituals
objected to =
this and said "but then this horse thing is not granted by
the b=
ook of sea. This is a new path and different from the "pure" sea
=
ritual" ["pure" Vedic ritual]. By now, people did not even understand
=
what the cryptic poems of the original "book of sea" mean, but they =
simply believed that those poems taught the old "pure" sea ritua=
ls
that they were used to. They were blissfully unaware that the=
original
instructions were meant for someone already close to s=
ea and the newer
instructions came from someone who actually saw=
the sea and knew where
they currently lived and how to get to t=
he sea from
there!</FONT></DIV>
></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Slowly many=
new sets of instructions
involving horses, chariots etc were ta=
ught and many new paths to the
sea were outlined inste=
ad of just instructing people to walk
towards east [evoluti=
on of mantra/tantra/ yantras].</FONT></DIV>
al size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
One particular path through jungles was
dangerous [aghora and ot=
her dark tantric paths involving practice of
sex, meat, wine&nbs=
p;etc]. Though the distance to sea was much shorter
through that=
jungle, it was just too dangerous and only the bravest
and stro=
ngest could make it. There were cruel dacoits and wild animals
[=
chance of a fall in a risky ritual] and many weak people travelling
=
to sea via that path were killed. A wise man who knew the entire
=
territory well came forward, condemned that path and discouraged =
people from trying that path. Since then, even people who were s=
trong
enough to successfully make it in that path desisted from =
it.</FONT></DIV>
NT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As time progress=
ed, people started
fighting too much about whose path was superi=
or. They were foolish,
not smart enough to adopt the original in=
structions, of either the
so-called "pure" sea path or the so-ca=
lled "new" path or other
variations, for the changed geography a=
nd changed times. Many followed
the instructions blindly, hit ro=
adblocks and did not reach sea. Many
did not even know that "rea=
ching the sea" was the actual goal of all
their joirneys. They o=
nly thought they were supposed to follow the
instructions faithf=
ully and there was no need to adopt to the changed
geographical =
territory and time. They even condemned those who
actually went =
to sea, came back and gave updated directions for their
place an=
d time, for violating tradition.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
=
size=3D2>*
*&=
<DIV><FO=
ial size=3D2>In case the analogy is not clear, here is
a brief s=
ummary of its points. Veda is about realizing self. Veda
describ=
es various aspects of the state of self-realization. That
i=
s why it is considered the highest knowledge. Other allied subjects
=
throw some light on possible ways to reach that state. While
=
definitive statements can be made on the actual state of
self-r=
ealization itself, no definitive statements can be made on how
t=
o reach it. The path depends on one's current position!</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FO=
NT face=3DArial size=3D2>Great men in many spiritual paths, within
=
Hinduism as well as outside of it, came, experienced that state,
=
understood the current state of people around them and gave
=
specific instructions on how to reach that state from the current
=
state. Some followed the instructions and experienced the state. Som=
e
instead kept arguing about the contradictions between
=
paths.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&n=
bsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Please re-read the st=
ory and try to
understand what each part of the story represents=
. If you understand
this analogy well, this can really clarify t=
he meaningless nature of
so many debates that people waste time =
with!</FONT></DIV>
</DIV>
size=3D2>* &=
nbsp;
* &nb=
sp; *</FONT></DIV>
</DIV>
<DIV>
; 2. I read from somewhere that Sri
Sri Adi Sankara has condemne=
d</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Tantrik prac=
tices. But I also hear
and read that he is a great Sri Vidya</FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Upasaka himself. =
If Sri Vidya has
its roots from Tantra, what did</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Sri Adi Sankara condemn?
=
</FONT></DIV></DIV>
T> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>He did condemn so=
me vaamaachaara
(left-hand) practices of tantra like the use of =
sex, alcohol, meat
etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
e=3D2>However, please go back to my analogy. A
great man may con=
demn the use of a short path to reach the sea if it
has a lot of=
wild animals and dacoits and many travellers through
that =
path recently lost their lives. It does not mean that path is
to=
tally unusable. It only means that too many people incapable of
=
travelling on that path are using it of late and so the great man was
=
compelled to stop the practice.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
ze=3D2>If the same great man is reincarnated at
a different time=
when several adept souls he has a rina with are about
to be rei=
ncarnated, he may not condemn the path and instead write on
trav=
elling that jungle path carefully!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
e=3D2>The words of great masters need to be
interpreted within t=
he context of their desa, kaala and paatra and
within the contex=
t of the purpose of that particular
birth.</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV>
=
size=3D2>* =

* *=
</FONT></DIV>
>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> 3. What i=
s vamachara? if it is the
left hand method - sex, drinks etc,</F=
ONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> why must it be p=
racticed at
all?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sup=
pose one's house is close to the
market and the market noise rea=
ches one's house. Suppose that
noise is disturbing one's me=
ditation, i.e. one is unable to focus
on god amid all the noise.=
There are two approaches one can take - (1)
run away from the n=
oise, find a place of solitude and meditate there.
(2) rise to t=
he challenge, meditate right there and develop the
ability to tu=
rn off the sensory input to the mind, i.e. get mastery
and contr=
ol over the part of the mind that is making one vulnerable to
th=
is disturbance. After all, the noise from outside is NOT the problem
=
- the problem is the *inability* of one's mind to turn off that
=
sensory input. By controlling one's mind, one can focus attention on
=
god irrespective of what is happening outside.</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><F=
ONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Approach (1) is not bad. If one is
wea=
k-minded and has a decent chance of failure with approach (2), then
=
approach (1) is definitely prudent and worthwhile. But, if one has a
=
strong mind and can succeed with approach (2), it is great. It has=
tens
one's progress.</FONT></DIV>
=
size=3D2>*
* &=
<DIV><FONT fac=
ze=3D2>Vaamaachaara is also like that, but a
more extreme form o=
f testing one's self-control by rising to the
challenge.</FONT><=
/DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Please realize that vaamaachaara/ agho=
ra
is not about the use of sex, wine etc for the kick of it. It =
is about
their use to test oneself with the toughest challenges =
and hone one's
self-control. Self-realization comes when self-co=
ntrol is perfect and
one's mind can always be focussed on god no=
matter what is going on
around one. If one is either attracted =
or averse to any one thing,
that is enough to block self-realiza=
tion.</FONT></DIV>
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, if one is weak, =
it is better to
stay away from vaamaachaara. One needs to do oth=
er practices and
strengthen oneself. If a really pure yogi with =
perfect self-control is
able to focus on god with all his mind e=
ven when he is drunk and
sitting naked with a beautiful naked wo=
man tightly embracing him, then
he can try that to test his self=
-control and hone it. But, if that is
going to tempt one, g=
et the mind away from god and onto a
physical enjoyment, then on=
e better not try that path! Just as one who
does not have a stro=
ng mind to meditate amid noise should meditate in
solitude and h=
one one's self-control, one who does not have a strong
mind to k=
eep the focus on god in the middle of normally depriving
practic=
es such as wine, meat and sex should stay away from
those.</FONT=
></DIV>
=
<DIV>
size=3D2>* &n=
bsp;
* &nbs=
p; *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></=
FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In my analogy =
before, the short jungle
path to the sea having the danger of wi=
ld animals and dacoits
represents the vaamaachaara path of aghor=
a. If one not having the
wherewithal to battle and kill the wild=
animals and dacoits tries that
path, one may be killed. Similar=
ly, one who wants self-realization
using this path will fall if =
one does not have perfect self-control.
If one takes this path b=
ecause it sounds cool or exciting, one is
likely to fall. It is =
only for the fittest and bravest.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
=3D2>If there is ANY weakness in one's
self-control, one can NOT=
follow this path. Just as there are many
paths from the desert =
to the sea in my analogy, there are many paths
to self-realizati=
on. One should follow the path that is appropriate
for one based=
on previous samskaras, strengths and
=
<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>* &nb=
sp;
* *</FONT></=
DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Is it not a fact that Sri Am=
bal lies
above all these? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
ze=3D2>:-) Sri Ambal (the Divine Mother) does
not lie above or b=
elow anything. She lies everywhere! All knowledge,
all desires a=
nd all actions of all beings are Her own different
manifestation=
s.</FONT></DIV>
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If a yogi with perfect self-=
control
drinks wine and sits naked with a beautiful naked w=
oman tightly
embracing him and yet keeps his mind fully focussed=
on god, his
self-control, his focus on god are all different ma=
nifestations of the
Divine Mother only.</FONT></DIV>
<=
<DIV><FONT fa=
ce=3DArial size=3D2>As a matter of fact, even if one gives in
to=
base instincts and pursues carnal pleasures, his desires and
ac=
tions are also different manifestations of Divine Mother only. The
=
Mother gives rise to so many lower level forms with specific domains
=
of responsibility. The Mother takes the form of Lakshmi and Alakshm=
i
as well. She takes the form of Vidya and Avidya as well. All o=
pposites
and polarities are actually Her manifestations only.</F=
ONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, those who are more comfo=
rtable
with Lakshmi and Vidya and uncomfortable with Alakshmi an=
d Avidya will
look at only the former pair as manifestation of D=
ivine Mother and
remain in duality. That is a valid point of vie=
w. However, the
*ultimate* reality is that She is All.</FONT></D=
IV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I need to sleep now. I will stop here.
=
Hope that put a few things in perspective. You can send further
=
questions to the yahoogroups or to me privately.</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></DIV></DIV>
=
regards,<BR>Narasim=
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rologer.org</FONT></A><=
BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sri Jagannath Centre
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2>Sri Sri NarasimhaJI</FONT></DIV>
=3D2>Namaskarams. Hope you remember me. I am
a friend of <d=
eleted> of <deleted> temple, brother of
<deleted&g=
t;. We met a couple of years ago in
<deleted> templ=
e.</FONT></DIV>
/DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have a few doubts. I w=
ould like to
hear your opinion on the same.</FONT></DIV>
=
<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1. Are Vedic (Pure Vaithika rituals)
=
different from Mantra Shastras (people explain that mantra shastra
=
does not originate from the vedas, but classified under tantra). =
Did
Mantra shastras not originate from vedas?</FONT></DIV>
=
<=
DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2. I read from somewhere that Sri Sri
=
Adi Sankara has condemned Tantrik practices. But I also hear and
=
read that he is a great Sri Vidya Upasaka himself. If Sri Vidya =
has
its roots from Tantra, what did Sri Adi Sankara condemn?
=
</FONT></DIV>
NT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3. What is vam=
achara? if it is the left
hand method - sex, drinks etc, why m=
ust it be practiced at all? Is
it not a fact that Sri Ambal li=
es above all these? </FONT></DIV>
=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am =
a little (totally) confused. Hope
your reply takes me out of t=
he well to ask you more
questions</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
<DIV><FONT fa=
ce=3DArial size=3D2>Namaskarams</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
Arial size=3D2>Venkat<BR clear=3Dall><BR>--
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Dear Narasimhaji:
Please accept my deep gratitude for the wonderful manuals=
that you are
publishing on conducting Homams, we are all indeed blessed.
=
One of the points that you strongly emphasize or warn against in the
manual=
s is to avoid making offerings of spicy food, meat etc into the
fire; all o=
f which makes a lot of sense, at least to me. These
directions though remin=
d me of the strong discomfort I feel on
encountering the mention of certain=
Homams/Yagnas in the classics that
involve animal sacrifice; e.g. the Ashw=
amedha Yagna conducted by
Yudhisthira where a horse was sacrificed. The log=
ic behind such acts
are definitely beyond my comprehension, so I was wonder=
ing whether you
could shed some light on it?
Many Thanks,
Best,
./Dinesh
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Adarniya PVR Narasimha Guruji Namaskar,

=A0
Your explaination=A0was really =
excellent & enlightening & definitely can be given only by a person of your=
calibre.
=A0
I have a doubt since long which I request you=A0 please shed=
some light on. I was curious to know about vedas & thus purchased the book=
s on vedas. It is said that VEDA contains all the knowledge & there are six=
body's of vedas of which Jyotish is the eye of vedas. When I
looked at the=
pages in the Veda book I find that there are Praises to Agni & other gods =
but do not find jyotish or other knowledge in it. Could you please elaborat=
e the content of the four vedas & say jyotish is part of which veda(Rig/Sam=
a/Yajur).
=A0
Regards
=A0
Vinayak P Tandle
--- On Mon, 8/18/08, Narasimha =

P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrote:
From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charte=

r.net>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Analogy: Veda, Aagama, Tantra, Aghora etc
To=
: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, sivacharya@yahoogroups.com, sohamsa@yahoogr=
oups.com
Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 10:13 AM
Namaste Sir,
=A0
Th=
ere is no need for either Sri or Ji in addressing me.
=A0
Hoping you won't =
mind, I am sending this reply to some yahoogroups that may have some intere=
sted people. When I was meditating before replying to you, a really beautif=
ul and meaningful analogy came to me and I think it is worth sharing with m=
ore people than just you. To ensure your anonymity, I removed references in=
the quoted mail below that may help one identify you.
=A0
*=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *
=A0
First I will answer your first question=
in detail, because that can automatically answer other questions.
=A0
> 1=
. Are Vedic (Pure Vaithika rituals) different from Mantra Shastras
> (peopl=
e explain that mantra shastra does not originate from the vedas,
> but clas=
sified under tantra). Did Mantra shastras not originate from vedas?
=A0
*=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *
=A0
When people say what is =
in Veda and what is not, honestly I can only laugh. They are only fooling t=
hemselves. Reciting Veda with perfect swara or mastering a celebrated comme=
ntary does not help one understand Veda. In fact, understanding each single=
verse in Veda requires great tapascharya. Understanding a verse in Veda is=
neither possible with energy flowing in Ida nadi (intuition) nor in Pingal=
a nadi (logic and analysis). It is possible only with energy flowing in Sus=
humna nadi. It is possible with neither intuition nor logic, but only with =
*revelation* and simply, for the lack of a better expression, direct knowle=
dge.
=A0
When one meditates long enough on a verse, the verse may simply be=
revealed to the yogi. THAT is the only way to understand a Vedic verse. Fo=
r most people, it is not possible to decipher even a single verse in an ent=
ire life, let alone a passage.
=A0
Bottomoline is: Almost nobody understand=
s Veda today. What are considered "pure vaidika rituals" are merely another=
variety of rituals created by someone at some point of time. From the poin=
t of view of authenticity as granted by Veda, there is no difference betwee=
n them and other aagamic rituals, though people ignorantly believe otherwis=
e.
=A0
*=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *
=A0
A simple analog=
y may help clarify a lot of things related to this complicated issue a litt=
le. What the thing in the analogy represents is shown here and there in squ=
are brackets [].
=A0
Once there were many people who lived near the sea [Br=
ahman/Aatman] . They regularly sat by the sea and enjoyed the sight and=A0s=
ound of the sea [experienced Brahman]. They described the sea in some nice =
cryptic poems [Veda].
=A0
As people started living a little away from the s=
ea [less spiritually evolved], someone had to put together some instruction=
s on how to reach the sea. He said, "keep walking towards east" and the ins=
tructions grew with time. People faithfully followed the instructions [ritu=
als].
=A0
People started moving further and further inland and started livi=
ng in a landlocked desert far away from the sea. This generation had never =
seen a pool of water like a lake, let alone a sea. They faithfully performe=
d the ritual of walking towards east, but did not find sea. They debated en=
dlessly whether one had to walk one mile or two miles or three miles and fo=
rmed different schools of thought. Some walked their chosen distance, found=
a tree or a building or some interesting object=A0and even became satisfie=
d that that was sea!
=A0
Then came some great person, whose instincts led h=
im to take a horse instead of walking and ride it for a long distance [use =
of other tools]. He did find the sea after a few months. He put together ne=
wer instructions to reach the sea, which included riding a horse [new aagam=
as].
=A0
People performing the old rituals objected to this and said "but t=
hen this horse thing is not granted by the book of sea. This is a new path =
and different from the "pure" sea ritual" ["pure" Vedic ritual]. By now, pe=
ople did not even understand what the cryptic poems of the original "book o=
f sea" mean, but they simply believed that those poems taught the old "pure=
" sea rituals that they were used to. They were blissfully unaware that the=
original instructions were meant for someone already close to sea and the =
newer instructions came from someone who actually saw the sea and knew wher=
e they currently lived and how to get to the sea from there!
=A0
Slowly man=
y new sets of instructions involving horses, chariots etc were taught and m=
any new paths to the sea were=A0outlined=A0instead of just instructing peop=
le to walk towards east=A0[evolution of mantra/tantra/ yantras].
=A0
One pa=
rticular path through jungles was dangerous [aghora and other dark tantric =
paths involving practice of sex, meat, wine=A0etc]. Though the distance to =
sea was much shorter through that jungle, it was just too dangerous and onl=
y the bravest and strongest could make it. There were cruel dacoits and wil=
d animals [chance of a fall in a risky ritual] and many weak people travell=
ing to sea via that path were killed. A wise man who knew the entire territ=
ory well=A0came forward, condemned that path and discouraged people from tr=
ying that path. Since then, even people who were strong enough to successfu=
lly make it in that path desisted from it.
=A0
As time progressed, people s=
tarted fighting too much about whose path was superior. They were foolish, =
not smart enough to adopt the original instructions, of either the so-calle=
d "pure" sea path or the so-called "new" path or other variations, for the =
changed geography and changed times. Many followed the instructions blindly=
, hit roadblocks and did not reach sea. Many did not even know that "reachi=
ng the sea" was the actual goal of all their joirneys. They only thought th=
ey were supposed to follow the instructions faithfully and there was no nee=
d to adopt to the changed geographical territory and time. They even condem=
ned those who actually went to sea, came back and gave updated directions f=
or their place and=A0time, for violating tradition.
=A0
*=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *
=A0
In case the analogy is not clear, here is =
a brief summary of its points. Veda is about realizing self. Veda describes=
various aspects of=A0the state of self-realization. That is why it is cons=
idered the highest knowledge. Other allied subjects throw some light on pos=
sible ways to reach that state. While definitive statements can be made on =
the actual state of self-realization itself, no definitive statements can b=
e made on how to reach it. The path depends on one's current position!
=A0
=
Great men in many spiritual paths, within Hinduism as well as outside of it=
, came, experienced that state, understood the current state of people arou=
nd them=A0and gave specific instructions on how to reach that state from th=
e current state. Some followed the instructions and experienced the state. =
Some instead kept arguing about the contradictions between paths.
=A0
Pleas=
e re-read the story and try to understand what each part of the story repre=
sents. If you understand this analogy well, this can really clarify the mea=
ningless nature of so many debates that people waste time with!
=A0
*=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *
=A0
> 2. I read from somewhere th=
at Sri Sri Adi Sankara has condemned
> Tantrik practices. But I also hear a=
nd read that he is a great Sri Vidya
> Upasaka himself. If Sri Vidya has it=
s roots from Tantra, what did
=A0
He did condem=
n some vaamaachaara (left-hand) practices of tantra like the use of sex, al=
cohol, meat etc.
=A0
However, please go back to my analogy. A great man may=
condemn the use of a short path to reach the sea if it has a lot of wild a=
nimals and=A0dacoits and many travellers through that path recently lost th=
eir lives. It does not mean that path is totally unusable. It only means th=
at too many people incapable of travelling on that path are using it of lat=
e and so the great man was compelled to stop the practice.
=A0
If the same =
great man is reincarnated at a different time when several adept souls he h=
as a rina with are about to be reincarnated, he may not condemn the path an=
d instead write on travelling that jungle path carefully!
=A0
The words of =
great masters need to be interpreted within the context of their desa, kaal=
a and paatra and within the context of the purpose of that particular birth=
.
=A0
*=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *
=A0
> 3. What is va=

machara? if it is the left hand method - sex, drinks etc,
> why must it be =
practiced at all?
=A0
Suppose one's house is close to the market and the ma=
rket noise reaches one's house. Suppose that noise=A0is disturbing one's me=
ditation, i.e. one is unable to focus on god amid all the noise. There are =
two approaches one can take - (1) run away from the noise, find a place of =
solitude and meditate there. (2) rise to the challenge, meditate right ther=
e and develop the ability to turn off the sensory input to the mind, i.e. g=
et mastery and control over the part of the mind that is making one vulnera=
ble to this disturbance. After all, the noise from outside is NOT the probl=
em - the problem is the *inability* of one's mind to turn off that sensory =
input. By controlling one's mind, one can focus attention on god irrespecti=
ve of what is happening outside.
=A0
Approach (1) is not bad. If one is wea=
k-minded and has a decent chance of failure with approach (2), then approac=
h (1) is definitely prudent and worthwhile. But, if one has a strong mind a=
nd can succeed with approach (2), it is great. It hastens one's progress.
=
=A0
*=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *
=A0
Vaamaachaara is als=
o like that, but a more extreme form of testing one's self-control by risin=
g to the challenge.
=A0
Please realize that vaamaachaara/ aghora is not abo=
ut the use of sex, wine etc for the kick of it. It is about their use to te=
st oneself with the toughest challenges and hone one's self-control. Self-r=
ealization comes when self-control is perfect and one's mind can always be =
focussed on god no matter what is going on around one. If one is either att=
racted or averse to any one thing, that is enough to block self-realization=
.
=A0
However, if one is weak, it is better to stay away from vaamaachaara.=
One needs to do other practices and strengthen oneself. If a really pure y=
ogi with perfect self-control is able to focus on god with all his mind eve=
n when he is drunk and sitting naked with a beautiful naked woman tightly e=
mbracing him, then he can try that to test his self-control and hone it. Bu=
t, if that is going to=A0tempt one, get the mind away from god and onto a p=
hysical enjoyment, then one better not try that path! Just as one who does =
not have a strong mind to meditate amid noise should meditate in solitude a=
nd hone one's self-control, one who does not have a strong mind to keep the=
focus on god in the middle of normally depriving practices such as wine, m=
eat and sex should stay away from those.
=A0
*=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *
=A0
In my analogy before, the short jungle path to the=
sea having the danger of wild animals and dacoits represents the vaamaacha=
ara path of aghora. If one not having the wherewithal to battle and kill th=
e wild animals and dacoits tries that path, one may be killed. Similarly, o=
ne who wants self-realization using this path will fall if one does not hav=
e perfect self-control. If one takes this path because it sounds cool or ex=
citing, one is likely to fall. It is only for the fittest and bravest.
=A0
=
If there is ANY weakness in one's self-control, one can NOT follow this pat=
h. Just as there are many paths from the desert to the sea in my analogy, t=
here are many paths to self-realization. One should follow the path that is=
appropriate for one based on previous samskaras, strengths and weaknesses.=
=A0
*=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *
=A0
> Is it not a fact=
that Sri Ambal lies above all these?
=A0
:-) Sri Ambal (the Divine Mother=
) does not lie above or below anything. She lies everywhere! All knowledge,=
all desires and all actions of all beings are Her own different manifestat=
ions.
=A0
If a yogi with perfect self-control drinks wine and=A0sits naked =
with a beautiful naked woman tightly embracing him and yet keeps his mind f=
ully focussed on god, his self-control, his focus on god are all different =
manifestations of the Divine Mother only.
=A0
As a matter of fact, even if =
one gives in to base instincts and pursues carnal pleasures, his desires an=
d actions are also different manifestations of Divine Mother only. The Moth=
er gives rise to so many lower level forms with specific domains of respons=
ibility. The Mother takes the form of Lakshmi and Alakshmi as well. She tak=
es the form of Vidya and Avidya as well. All opposites and polarities are a=
ctually Her manifestations only.
=A0
However, those who are more comfortabl=
e with Lakshmi and Vidya and uncomfortable with Alakshmi and Avidya will lo=
ok at only the former pair as manifestation of Divine Mother and remain in =
duality. That is a valid point of view. However, the *ultimate* reality is =
that She is All.
=A0
I need to sleep now. I will stop here. Hope that put a=
few things in perspective. You can send further questions to the yahoogrou=
ps or to me privately.
=A0
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Sri Sri N=
arasimhaJI
Namaskarams. Hope you remember me. I am a friend of <deleted> of=
<deleted> temple, brother of <deleted>. We met a couple of years ago=A0in =
<deleted> temple.
=A0
I have a few doubts. I would like to hear your opinio=
n on the same.
=A0
1. Are Vedic (Pure Vaithika rituals) different from Mant=
ra Shastras (people explain that mantra shastra does not originate from the=
vedas, but classified under tantra). Did Mantra shastras not originate fro=
m vedas?
=A0
2. I read from somewhere that Sri Sri Adi Sankara has condemne=
d Tantrik practices. But I also hear and read that he is a great Sri Vidya =
Upasaka himself. If Sri Vidya has its roots from Tantra, what did Sri Adi S=
ankara condemn?
=A0
3. What is vamachara? if it is the left hand method - =
sex, drinks etc, why must it be practiced at all? Is it not a fact that Sri=
Ambal lies above all these?
=A0
I am a little (totally) confused. Hope yo=
ur reply takes me out of the well to ask you more questions
=A0
Namaskarams=
Venkat
--
Regards
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style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Adarniya PVR Narasimha Guruji Namaskar,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Your explaination was really excellent & enlightening & definitely can be
given only by a person of your calibre. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have a doubt since long which I request you please shed some light on. I
was curious to know about vedas & thus purchased the books on vedas. It is said
that VEDA contains all the knowledge & there are six body's of vedas of which
Jyotish is the eye of vedas. When I</DIV>
<DIV>looked at the pages in the Veda book I find that there are Praises to Agni &
other gods but do not find jyotish or other knowledge in it. Could you please
elaborate the content of the four vedas & say jyotish is part of which
veda(Rig/Sama/Yajur).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regards</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Vinayak P Tandle<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 8/18/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao
<I><pvr@...></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
2px solid">From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Analogy:
Veda, Aagama, Tantra, Aghora etc<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com,
sivacharya@yahoogroups.com, sohamsa@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Monday, August 18,
2008, 10:13 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Namaste Sir,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There is no need for either Sri or Ji in addressing
me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hoping you won't mind, I am sending this reply to some
yahoogroups that may have some interested people. </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2>When I was meditating before replying to you, a really beautiful and
meaningful analogy came to me and I think it is worth sharing with more people than
just you. </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>To ensure your anonymity, I removed
references in the quoted mail below that may help one identify you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>* * *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>First I will answer your first question in detail,
because that can automatically answer other questions.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> 1. Are Vedic (Pure Vaithika rituals) different from
Mantra Shastras</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> (people explain that mantra shastra does not
originate from the vedas,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> but classified under tantra). Did Mantra shastras
not originate from vedas?</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>When people say what is in Veda and what is not,
honestly I can only laugh. They are only fooling themselves. Reciting Veda with
perfect swara or mastering a celebrated commentary does not help one understand
Veda. In fact, understanding each single verse in Veda requires great tapascharya.
Understanding a verse in Veda is neither possible with energy flowing in Ida nadi
(intuition) nor in Pingala nadi (logic and analysis). It is possible only with
energy flowing in Sushumna nadi. It is possible with neither intuition nor logic,
but only with *revelation* and simply, for the lack of a better expression, direct
knowledge.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>When one meditates long enough on a verse, the verse
may simply be revealed to the yogi. THAT is the only way to understand a Vedic
verse. For most people, it is not possible to decipher even a single verse in an
entire life, let alone a passage.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bottomoline is: Almost nobody understands Veda today.
What are considered "pure vaidika rituals" are merely another variety of rituals
created by someone at some point of time. From the point of view of authenticity as
granted by Veda, there is no difference between them and other aagamic rituals,
though people ignorantly believe otherwise.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>* * *</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A simple analogy may help clarify a lot of things
related to this complicated issue a little. What the thing in the analogy
represents is shown here and there in square brackets [].</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Once there were many people who lived near the sea
[Brahman/Aatman] . They regularly sat by the sea and enjoyed the sight and sound of
the sea [experienced Brahman]. They described the sea in some nice cryptic poems
[Veda].</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As people started living a little away from the sea
[less spiritually evolved], someone had to put together some instructions on how to
reach the sea. He said, "keep walking towards east" and the instructions grew with
time. People faithfully followed the instructions [rituals].</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>People started moving further and further inland and
started living in a landlocked desert far away from the sea. This generation had
never seen a pool of water like a lake, let alone a sea. T</FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2>hey faithfully performed the ritual of walking towards east, but did not
find sea. They debated endlessly whether one had to walk one mile or two miles or
three miles and formed different schools of thought. Some walked their chosen
distance, found a tree or a building or some interesting object and even became
satisfied that that was sea!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Then came some great person, whose instincts led him
to take a horse instead of walking and ride it for a long distance [use of other
tools]. He did find the sea after a few months. He put together newer instructions
to reach the sea, which included riding a horse [new aagamas].</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>People performing the old rituals objected to this and
said "but then this horse thing is not granted by the book of sea. This is a new
path and different from the "pure" sea ritual" ["pure" Vedic ritual]. By now,
people did not even understand what the cryptic poems of the original "book of sea"
mean, but they simply believed that those poems taught the old "pure" sea rituals
that they were used to. They were blissfully unaware that the original instructions
were meant for someone already close to sea and the newer instructions came from
someone who actually saw the sea and knew where they currently lived and how to get
to the sea from there!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Slowly many new sets of instructions involving horses,
chariots etc were taught and many new paths to the sea were outlined instead of
just instructing people to walk towards east [evolution of mantra/tantra/
yantras].</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One particular path through jungles was dangerous
[aghora and other dark tantric paths involving practice of sex, meat, wine etc].
Though the distance to sea was much shorter through that jungle, it was just too
dangerous and only the bravest and strongest could make it. There were cruel
dacoits and wild animals [chance of a fall in a risky ritual] and many weak people
travelling to sea via that path were killed. A wise man who knew the entire
territory well came forward, condemned that path and discouraged people from trying
that path. Since then, even people who were strong enough to successfully make it
in that path desisted from it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As time progressed, people started fighting too much
about whose path was superior. They were foolish, not smart enough to adopt the
original instructions, of either the so-called "pure" sea path or the so-called
"new" path or other variations, for the changed geography and changed times. Many
followed the instructions blindly, hit roadblocks and did not reach sea. Many did
not even know that "reaching the sea" was the actual goal of all their joirneys.
They only thought they were supposed to follow the instructions faithfully and
there was no need to adopt to the changed geographical territory and time. They
even condemned those who actually went to sea, came back and gave updated
directions for their place and time, for violating tradition.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In case the analogy is not clear, here is a brief
summary of its points. Veda is about realizing self. Veda describes various aspects
of the state of self-realization. That is why it is considered the highest
knowledge. Other allied subjects throw some light on possible ways to reach that
state. While definitive statements can be made on the actual state of self-
realization itself, no definitive statements can be made on how to reach it. The
path depends on one's current position!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Great men in many spiritual paths, within Hinduism as
well as outside of it, came, experienced that state, understood the current state
of people around them and gave specific instructions on how to reach that state
from the current state. Some followed the instructions and experienced the state.
Some instead kept arguing about the contradictions between paths.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Please re-read the story and try to understand what
each part of the story represents. If you understand this analogy well, this can
really clarify the meaningless nature of so many debates that people waste time
with!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> 2. I read from somewhere that Sri Sri Adi Sankara
has condemned</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> Tantrik practices. But I also hear and read that he
is a great Sri Vidya</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> Upasaka himself. If Sri Vidya has its roots from
Tantra, what did</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> Sri Adi Sankara condemn? </FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>He did condemn some vaamaachaara (left-hand) practices
of tantra like the use of sex, alcohol, meat etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>However, please go back to my analogy. A great man may
condemn the use of a short path to reach the sea if it has a lot of wild animals
and dacoits and many travellers through that path recently lost their lives. It
does not mean that path is totally unusable. It only means that too many people
incapable of travelling on that path are using it of late and so the great man was
compelled to stop the practice.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If the same great man is reincarnated at a different
time when several adept souls he has a rina with are about to be reincarnated, he
may not condemn the path and instead write on travelling that jungle path
carefully!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The words of great masters need to be interpreted
within the context of their desa, kaala and paatra and within the context of the
purpose of that particular birth.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> 3. What is vamachara? if it is the left hand method
- sex, drinks etc,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> why must it be practiced at all?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Suppose one's house is close to the market and the
market noise reaches one's house. Suppose that noise is disturbing one's
meditation, i.e. one is unable to focus on god amid all the noise. There are two
approaches one can take - (1) run away from the noise, find a place of solitude and
meditate there. (2) rise to the challenge, meditate right there and develop the
ability to turn off the sensory input to the mind, i.e. get mastery and control
over the part of the mind that is making one vulnerable to this disturbance. After
all, the noise from outside is NOT the problem - the problem is the *inability* of
one's mind to turn off that sensory input. By controlling one's mind, one can focus
attention on god irrespective of what is happening outside.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Approach (1) is not bad. If one is weak-minded and has
a decent chance of failure with approach (2), then approach (1) is definitely
prudent and worthwhile. But, if one has a strong mind and can succeed with approach
(2), it is great. It hastens one's progress.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Vaamaachaara is also like that, but a more extreme
form of testing one's self-control by rising to the challenge.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Please realize that vaamaachaara/ aghora is not about
the use of sex, wine etc for the kick of it. It is about their use to test oneself
with the toughest challenges and hone one's self-control. Self-realization comes
when self-control is perfect and one's mind can always be focussed on god no matter
what is going on around one. If one is either attracted or averse to any one thing,
that is enough to block self-realization.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>However, if one is weak, it is better to stay away
from vaamaachaara. One needs to do other practices and strengthen oneself. If a
really pure yogi with perfect self-control is able to focus on god with all his
mind even when he is drunk and sitting naked with a beautiful naked woman tightly
embracing him, then he can try that to test his self-control and hone it. But, if
that is going to tempt one, get the mind away from god and onto a physical
enjoyment, then one better not try that path! Just as one who does not have a
strong mind to meditate amid noise should meditate in solitude and hone one's self-
control, one who does not have a strong mind to keep the focus on god in the middle
of normally depriving practices such as wine, meat and sex should stay away from
those.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In my analogy before, the short jungle path to the sea
having the danger of wild animals and dacoits represents the vaamaachaara path of
aghora. If one not having the wherewithal to battle and kill the wild animals and
dacoits tries that path, one may be killed. Similarly, one who wants self-
realization using this path will fall if one does not have perfect self-control. If
one takes this path because it sounds cool or exciting, one is likely to fall. It
is only for the fittest and bravest.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If there is ANY weakness in one's self-control, one
can NOT follow this path. Just as there are many paths from the desert to the sea
in my analogy, there are many paths to self-realization. One should follow the path
that is appropriate for one based on previous samskaras, strengths and
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> Is it not a fact that Sri Ambal lies above all
these? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>:-) Sri Ambal (the Divine Mother) does not lie above
or below anything. She lies everywhere! All knowledge, all desires and all actions
of all beings are Her own different manifestations.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If a yogi with perfect self-control drinks wine
and sits naked with a beautiful naked woman tightly embracing him and yet keeps his
mind fully focussed on god, his self-control, his focus on god are all different
manifestations of the Divine Mother only.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As a matter of fact, even if one gives in to base
instincts and pursues carnal pleasures, his desires and actions are also different
manifestations of Divine Mother only. The Mother gives rise to so many lower level
forms with specific domains of responsibility. The Mother takes the form of Lakshmi
and Alakshmi as well. She takes the form of Vidya and Avidya as well. All opposites
and polarities are actually Her manifestations only.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>However, those who are more comfortable with Lakshmi
and Vidya and uncomfortable with Alakshmi and Avidya will look at only the former
pair as manifestation of Divine Mother and remain in duality. That is a valid point
of view. However, the *ultimate* reality is that She is All.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I need to sleep now. I will stop here. Hope that put a
few things in perspective. You can send further questions to the yahoogroups or to
me privately.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sri Sri NarasimhaJI</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Namaskarams. Hope you remember me. I am a friend of
<deleted> of <deleted> temple, brother of <deleted>. We met a couple of years
ago in <deleted> temple.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have a few doubts. I would like to hear your opinion
on the same.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. Are Vedic (Pure Vaithika rituals) different from
Mantra Shastras (people explain that mantra shastra does not originate from the
vedas, but classified under tantra). Did Mantra shastras not originate from vedas?
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2. I read from somewhere that Sri Sri Adi Sankara has
condemned Tantrik practices. But I also hear and read that he is a great Sri Vidya
Upasaka himself. If Sri Vidya has its roots from Tantra, what did Sri Adi Sankara
condemn? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>3. What is vamachara? if it is the left hand method -
sex, drinks etc, why must it be practiced at all? Is it not a fact that Sri Ambal
lies above all these? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am a little (totally) confused. Hope your reply
takes me out of the well to ask you more questions</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Namaskarams</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Venkat<BR clear=all><BR>--
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Namaste friends,
There is one more thing I wanted to include in the analo=

gy/parable, but did not do so due to lack of time last night. Let me expand=
now. Though this is not related to the original questions, this will compl=
ete the story.
* * *
There was a way to the sea through a=

country called "Vishnu raajyam" [Vaishnavism]. Some people travelled the p=
ath, found a beautiful city called Vishnupuri on the coast and the sea was =
close to the city. The journey through Vishnu raajya was documented in a bo=
ok [Vishnu Purana] and the book claimed that this was a beautiful journey a=
nd enables one to reach the sea. It also claimed that other coastal cities =
were by the very same sea and reaching the sea here amounts to reaching the=
sea at all other places.
There was another way to the sea through a coun=

try called "Shiva desam" [Shaivism]. Some people travelled the path, found =
a wonderful city called Shivanagari on the coast and the sea was right next=
to it. The journey though Shiva desam was documented in a book [Shiva Pura=
na] and the book claimed that this was an amazing journey and enables one t=
o reach the sea. It also claimed that other coastal cities were by the very=
same sea and reaching the sea here amounts to reaching the sea at all othe=
r places.
There were some people who had never actually been to either ci=
ty nor seen the sea. Some were impressed by the description of one city and=
some by the other. They were so impressed that they started arguing which =
was the best city. Some even went to the extent of condemning and putting d=
own the other city. Some people who had seen both the cities came forward a=
nd said, "the main thing is not the city, but the sea itself. The sea is th=
e same in both places. Though different, both cities are nice and both give=
one the same sea." That did not convince the fighting factions and they co=
ntinued to fight. Later, some of them even forgot about the sea and started=
thinking that the city was the main thing and not the sea. Of course, both=
the cities are really beautiful. Stuck in their animosity and fights, they=
could never visit either city nor enjoy the sea.
* * *
O=
K, I think the parable is complete now. :-)
Best regards,
Narasimha
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s.com ; sivacharya@yahoogroups.com ; sohamsa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monda=
y, August 18, 2008 12:43 AM
Subject: Analogy: Veda, Aagama, Tantra, Aghor=
a etc
Namaste Sir,
There is no need for either Sri or Ji in addressi=

ng me.
Hoping you won't mind, I am sending this reply to some yahoogroup=

s that may have some interested people. When I was meditating before replyi=
ng to you, a really beautiful and meaningful analogy came to me and I think=
it is worth sharing with more people than just you. To ensure your anonymi=
ty, I removed references in the quoted mail below that may help one identif=
y you.
* * *
First I will answer your first question in=

detail, because that can automatically answer other questions.
> 1. Are=
Vedic (Pure Vaithika rituals) different from Mantra Shastras
> (people e=
xplain that mantra shastra does not originate from the vedas,
> but class=
ified under tantra). Did Mantra shastras not originate from vedas?
* =
* *
When people say what is in Veda and what is not, honestly=

I can only laugh. They are only fooling themselves. Reciting Veda with per=
fect swara or mastering a celebrated commentary does not help one understan=
d Veda. In fact, understanding each single verse in Veda requires great tap=
ascharya. Understanding a verse in Veda is neither possible with energy flo=
wing in Ida nadi (intuition) nor in Pingala nadi (logic and analysis). It i=
s possible only with energy flowing in Sushumna nadi. It is possible with n=
either intuition nor logic, but only with *revelation* and simply, for the =
lack of a better expression, direct knowledge.
When one meditates long e=

nough on a verse, the verse may simply be revealed to the yogi. THAT is the=
only way to understand a Vedic verse. For most people, it is not possible =
to decipher even a single verse in an entire life, let alone a passage.
=
Bottomoline is: Almost nobody understands Veda today. What are considered "=
pure vaidika rituals" are merely another variety of rituals created by some=
one at some point of time. From the point of view of authenticity as grante=
d by Veda, there is no difference between them and other aagamic rituals, t=
hough people ignorantly believe otherwise.
* * *
A simp=
le analogy may help clarify a lot of things related to this complicated iss=
ue a little. What the thing in the analogy represents is shown here and the=
re in square brackets [].
Once there were many people who lived near the=

sea [Brahman/Aatman]. They regularly sat by the sea and enjoyed the sight =
and sound of the sea [experienced Brahman]. They described the sea in some =
nice cryptic poems [Veda].
As people started living a little away from t=

he sea [less spiritually evolved], someone had to put together some instruc=
tions on how to reach the sea. He said, "keep walking towards east" and the=
instructions grew with time. People faithfully followed the instructions [=
rituals].
People started moving further and further inland and started l=

iving in a landlocked desert far away from the sea. This generation had nev=
er seen a pool of water like a lake, let alone a sea. They faithfully perfo=
rmed the ritual of walking towards east, but did not find sea. They debated=
endlessly whether one had to walk one mile or two miles or three miles and=
formed different schools of thought. Some walked their chosen distance, fo=
und a tree or a building or some interesting object and even became satisfi=
ed that that was sea!
Then came some great person, whose instincts led h=

im to take a horse instead of walking and ride it for a long distance [use =
of other tools]. He did find the sea after a few months. He put together ne=
wer instructions to reach the sea, which included riding a horse [new aagam=
as].
People performing the old rituals objected to this and said "but th=
en this horse thing is not granted by the book of sea. This is a new path a=
nd different from the "pure" sea ritual" ["pure" Vedic ritual]. By now, peo=
ple did not even understand what the cryptic poems of the original "book of=
sea" mean, but they simply believed that those poems taught the old "pure"=
sea rituals that they were used to. They were blissfully unaware that the =
original instructions were meant for someone already close to sea and the n=
ewer instructions came from someone who actually saw the sea and knew where=
they currently lived and how to get to the sea from there!
Slowly many =
new sets of instructions involving horses, chariots etc were taught and man=
y new paths to the sea were outlined instead of just instructing people to =
walk towards east [evolution of mantra/tantra/yantras].
One particular p=
ath through jungles was dangerous [aghora and other dark tantric paths invo=
lving practice of sex, meat, wine etc]. Though the distance to sea was much=
shorter through that jungle, it was just too dangerous and only the braves=
t and strongest could make it. There were cruel dacoits and wild animals [c=
hance of a fall in a risky ritual] and many weak people travelling to sea v=
ia that path were killed. A wise man who knew the entire territory well cam=
e forward, condemned that path and discouraged people from trying that path=
. Since then, even people who were strong enough to successfully make it in=
that path desisted from it.
As time progressed, people started fighting=

too much about whose path was superior. They were foolish, not smart enoug=
h to adopt the original instructions, of either the so-called "pure" sea pa=
th or the so-called "new" path or other variations, for the changed geograp=
hy and changed times. Many followed the instructions blindly, hit roadblock=
s and did not reach sea. Many did not even know that "reaching the sea" was=
the actual goal of all their joirneys. They only thought they were suppose=
d to follow the instructions faithfully and there was no need to adopt to t=
he changed geographical territory and time. They even condemned those who a=
ctually went to sea, came back and gave updated directions for their place =
and time, for violating tradition.
* * *
In case the an=

alogy is not clear, here is a brief summary of its points. Veda is about re=
alizing self. Veda describes various aspects of the state of self-realizati=
on. That is why it is considered the highest knowledge. Other allied subjec=
ts throw some light on possible ways to reach that state. While definitive =
statements can be made on the actual state of self-realization itself, no d=
efinitive statements can be made on how to reach it. The path depends on on=
e's current position!
Great men in many spiritual paths, within Hinduism=

as well as outside of it, came, experienced that state, understood the cur=
rent state of people around them and gave specific instructions on how to r=
each that state from the current state. Some followed the instructions and =
experienced the state. Some instead kept arguing about the contradictions b=
etween paths.
Please re-read the story and try to understand what each p=

art of the story represents. If you understand this analogy well, this can =
really clarify the meaningless nature of so many debates that people waste =
time with!
* * *
> 2. I read from somewhere that Sri Sr=

i Adi Sankara has condemned
> Tantrik practices. But I also hear and read=
that he is a great Sri Vidya
> Upasaka himself. If Sri Vidya has its roo=
ts from Tantra, what did
He did condemn so=

me vaamaachaara (left-hand) practices of tantra like the use of sex, alcoho=
l, meat etc.
However, please go back to my analogy. A great man may cond=

emn the use of a short path to reach the sea if it has a lot of wild animal=
s and dacoits and many travellers through that path recently lost their liv=
es. It does not mean that path is totally unusable. It only means that too =
many people incapable of travelling on that path are using it of late and s=
o the great man was compelled to stop the practice.
If the same great ma=

n is reincarnated at a different time when several adept souls he has a rin=
a with are about to be reincarnated, he may not condemn the path and instea=
d write on travelling that jungle path carefully!
The words of great mas=

ters need to be interpreted within the context of their desa, kaala and paa=
tra and within the context of the purpose of that particular birth.
* =
* *
> 3. What is vamachara? if it is the left hand method - =
sex, drinks etc,
> why must it be practiced at all?
Suppose one's hous=

e is close to the market and the market noise reaches one's house. Suppose =
that noise is disturbing one's meditation, i.e. one is unable to focus on g=
od amid all the noise. There are two approaches one can take - (1) run away=
from the noise, find a place of solitude and meditate there. (2) rise to t=
he challenge, meditate right there and develop the ability to turn off the =
sensory input to the mind, i.e. get mastery and control over the part of th=
e mind that is making one vulnerable to this disturbance. After all, the no=
ise from outside is NOT the problem - the problem is the *inability* of one=
's mind to turn off that sensory input. By controlling one's mind, one can =
focus attention on god irrespective of what is happening outside.
Approa=
ch (1) is not bad. If one is weak-minded and has a decent chance of failure=
with approach (2), then approach (1) is definitely prudent and worthwhile.=
But, if one has a strong mind and can succeed with approach (2), it is gre=
at. It hastens one's progress.
* * *
Vaamaachaara is al=
so like that, but a more extreme form of testing one's self-control by risi=
ng to the challenge.
Please realize that vaamaachaara/aghora is not abou=

t the use of sex, wine etc for the kick of it. It is about their use to tes=
t oneself with the toughest challenges and hone one's self-control. Self-re=
alization comes when self-control is perfect and one's mind can always be f=
ocussed on god no matter what is going on around one. If one is either attr=
acted or averse to any one thing, that is enough to block self-realization.=
However, if one is weak, it is better to stay away from vaamaachaara. O=

ne needs to do other practices and strengthen oneself. If a really pure yog=
i with perfect self-control is able to focus on god with all his mind even =
when he is drunk and sitting naked with a beautiful naked woman tightly emb=
racing him, then he can try that to test his self-control and hone it. But,=
if that is going to tempt one, get the mind away from god and onto a physi=
cal enjoyment, then one better not try that path! Just as one who does not =
have a strong mind to meditate amid noise should meditate in solitude and h=
one one's self-control, one who does not have a strong mind to keep the foc=
us on god in the middle of normally depriving practices such as wine, meat =
and sex should stay away from those.
* * *
In my analog=
y before, the short jungle path to the sea having the danger of wild animal=
s and dacoits represents the vaamaachaara path of aghora. If one not having=
the wherewithal to battle and kill the wild animals and dacoits tries that=
path, one may be killed. Similarly, one who wants self-realization using t=
his path will fall if one does not have perfect self-control. If one takes =
this path because it sounds cool or exciting, one is likely to fall. It is =
only for the fittest and bravest.
If there is ANY weakness in one's self=
-control, one can NOT follow this path. Just as there are many paths from t=
he desert to the sea in my analogy, there are many paths to self-realizatio=
n. One should follow the path that is appropriate for one based on previous=
samskaras, strengths and weaknesses.
* * *
> Is it not=
a fact that Sri Ambal lies above all these?
:-) Sri Ambal (the Divine =

Mother) does not lie above or below anything. She lies everywhere! All know=
ledge, all desires and all actions of all beings are Her own different mani=
festations.
If a yogi with perfect self-control drinks wine and sits nak=

ed with a beautiful naked woman tightly embracing him and yet keeps his min=
d fully focussed on god, his self-control, his focus on god are all differe=
nt manifestations of the Divine Mother only.
As a matter of fact, even i=

f one gives in to base instincts and pursues carnal pleasures, his desires =
and actions are also different manifestations of Divine Mother only. The Mo=
ther gives rise to so many lower level forms with specific domains of respo=
nsibility. The Mother takes the form of Lakshmi and Alakshmi as well. She t=
akes the form of Vidya and Avidya as well. All opposites and polarities are=
actually Her manifestations only.
However, those who are more comfortab=

le with Lakshmi and Vidya and uncomfortable with Alakshmi and Avidya will l=
ook at only the former pair as manifestation of Divine Mother and remain in=
duality. That is a valid point of view. However, the *ultimate* reality is=
that She is All.
I need to sleep now. I will stop here. Hope that put a=

few things in perspective. You can send further questions to the yahoogrou=
ps or to me privately.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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imhaJI
Namaskarams. Hope you remember me. I am a friend of <deleted> of=
<deleted> temple, brother of <deleted>. We met a couple of years ago in <d=
eleted> temple.
I have a few doubts. I would like to hear your opinion=

on the same.
1. Are Vedic (Pure Vaithika rituals) different from Mant=

ra Shastras (people explain that mantra shastra does not originate from the=
vedas, but classified under tantra). Did Mantra shastras not originate fro=
m vedas?
2. I read from somewhere that Sri Sri Adi Sankara has condemn=
ed Tantrik practices. But I also hear and read that he is a great Sri Vidya=
Upasaka himself. If Sri Vidya has its roots from Tantra, what did Sri Adi =
Sankara condemn?
3. What is vamachara? if it is the left hand method =

- sex, drinks etc, why must it be practiced at all? Is it not a fact that S=
ri Ambal lies above all these?
I am a little (totally) confused. Hope=

your reply takes me out of the well to ask you more questions
Namaska=
rams
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amaste friends,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There is one more thing I wanted to=
include in the
analogy/parable, but did not do so due to lack of time las=
t night. Let me expand
now. Though this is not related to the original que=
stions, this will complete
the story.</FONT></DIV>
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* =
; *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>=
<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There was a way to the sea through a country ca=
lled
"Vishnu raajyam" [Vaishnavism]. Some people travelled the path, found=
a
beautiful city called Vishnupuri on the coast and the sea was close to =
the city.
The journey through Vishnu raajya was documented in a book [Vish=
nu Purana] and
the book claimed that this was a beautiful journey and enab=
les one to reach the
sea. It also claimed that other coastal cities were b=
y the very same sea and
reaching the sea here amounts to reaching the sea =
at all other
places.</FONT></DIV>
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There was another way to the =
sea through a country
called "Shiva desam" [Shaivism]. Some people travell=
ed the path, found a
wonderful city called Shivanagari on the coast and th=
e sea was right next to it.
The journey though Shiva desam was documented =
in a book [Shiva Purana] and the
book claimed that this was an amazing jou=
rney and enables one to reach the sea.
It also claimed that other coastal =
cities were by the very same sea and reaching
the sea here amounts to reac=
hing the sea at all other places.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There were some p=
eople who had never actually been
to either city nor seen the sea. Some we=
re impressed by the description of one
city and some by the other. They we=
re so impressed that they started arguing
which was the best city. Some ev=
en went to the extent of condemning and putting
down the other city. Some =
people who had seen both the cities came forward and
said, "the main thing=
is not the city, but the sea itself. The sea is the same
in both places. =
Though different, both cities are nice and both give one the
same sea." Th=
at did not convince the fighting factions and they continued to
fight. Lat=
er, some of them even forgot about the sea and started thinking that
the c=
ity was the main thing and not the sea. Of course, both the cities are
rea=
lly beautiful. Stuck in their animosity and fights, they could never visit =
either city nor enjoy the sea.</FONT></DIV>

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* =
*</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>OK, I think the parable is complete now.
:-)</F=
ONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best
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">Narasimha P.V.R.
Rao</A> </DIV>
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o:</B> <A title=3Dvedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com
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om@yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com</A> ;
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arya@yahoogroups.com
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yle=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 18, 2008 12:43
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Analogy: Veda, Aagam=
a, Tantra,
Aghora etc</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><F=
ONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT
face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FON=
T face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial
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face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial
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V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Namaste Sir,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FON=
=3D2>There is no need for either Sri or Ji in
addressing me.</FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>Hoping you won't mind, I am sending this reply to
some=
yahoogroups that may have some interested people. </FONT><FONT face=3DAria=
l
size=3D2>When I was meditating before replying to you, a really beauti=
ful and
meaningful analogy came to me and I think it is worth sharing wi=
th more people
than just you. </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To ensu=
re your anonymity, I
removed references in the quoted mail below that ma=
y help one identify
you.</FONT></DIV>
></FONT> </DIV>

* *</=
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>First I will answer your first question in
de=
tail, because that can automatically answer other questions.</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2>> 1. Are Vedic (Pure Vaithika rituals)
differen=
t from Mantra Shastras</FONT></DIV>
(people explain that mantra shastra does not
originate from the vedas,<=
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> but classified under t=
antra). Did Mantra
shastras not originate from vedas?</FONT></DIV></DIV>=

<DIV>
<DIV><FON=
T face=3DArial size=3D2>*
*&nb=
sp; *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
Arial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></DIV>
>When people say what is in Veda and what is not,
honestly I can only la=
ugh. They are only fooling themselves. Reciting Veda
with perfect swara =
or mastering a celebrated commentary does not help one
understand Veda. =
In fact, understanding each single verse in Veda requires
great tapascha=
rya. Understanding a verse in Veda is neither possible with
energy flowi=
ng in Ida nadi (intuition) nor in Pingala nadi (logic and
analysis). It =
is possible only with energy flowing in Sushumna nadi. It is
possible wi=
th neither intuition nor logic, but only with *revelation* and
simply, f=
or the lack of a better expression, direct knowledge.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
ze=3D2>When one meditates long enough on a verse, the
verse may simply b=
e revealed to the yogi. THAT is the only way to understand a
Vedic verse=
. For most people, it is not possible to decipher even a single
verse in=
an entire life, let alone a passage.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bottomoli=
ne is: Almost nobody understands Veda
today. What are considered "pure v=
aidika rituals" are merely another variety
of rituals created by someone=
at some point of time. From the point of view of
authenticity as grante=
d by Veda, there is no difference between them and other
aagamic rituals=
, though people ignorantly believe otherwise.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
<DIV>
ze=3D2>*
* &n=
bsp; *</FONT></DIV></DIV>
=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A simple analog=
y may help clarify a lot of things
related to this complicated issue a l=
ittle. What the thing in the analogy
represents is shown here and there =
in square brackets [].</FONT></DIV>
NT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Once there were many peo=
ple who lived near the
sea [Brahman/Aatman]. They regularly sat by the s=
ea and enjoyed the sight
and sound of the sea [experienced Brahman]=
. They described the sea in
some nice cryptic poems [Veda].</FONT></DIV>=

<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>As people started living a little away from the
sea [l=
ess spiritually evolved], someone had to put together some instructions
=
on how to reach the sea. He said, "keep walking towards east" and the
in=
structions grew with time. People faithfully followed the instructions
[=
rituals].</FONT></DIV>
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>People started moving further and fur=
ther inland
and started living in a landlocked desert far away from the =
sea. This
generation had never seen a pool of water like a lake, let alo=
ne a sea.
T</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>hey faithfully performed t=
he ritual of walking
towards east, but did not find sea. They debated en=
dlessly whether one had to
walk one mile or two miles or three miles and=
formed different schools of
thought. Some walked their chosen distance,=
found a tree or a building or some
interesting object and even bec=
ame satisfied that that was
sea!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Then came s=
ome great person, whose instincts led
him to take a horse instead of wal=
king and ride it for a long distance [use of
other tools]. He did find t=
he sea after a few months. He put together newer
instructions to reach t=
he sea, which included riding a horse [new
aagamas].</FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
size=3D2>People performing the old rituals objected to
this and said "bu=
t then this horse thing is not granted by the book of sea.
This is a new=
path and different from the "pure" sea ritual" ["pure" Vedic
ritual]. B=
y now, people did not even understand what the cryptic poems of the
orig=
inal "book of sea" mean, but they simply believed that those poems taught
=
the old "pure" sea rituals that they were used to. They were blissfully
=
unaware that the original instructions were meant for someone already clo=
se to
sea and the newer instructions came from someone who actually saw =
the sea and
knew where they currently lived and how to get to the sea fr=
om
there!</FONT></DIV>
/DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Slowly many new sets of instructio=
ns involving
horses, chariots etc were taught and many new paths to the =
sea
were outlined instead of just instructing people to walk t=
owards
east [evolution of mantra/tantra/yantras].</FONT></DIV>
<D=
l size=3D2>One particular path through jungles was dangerous
[aghora and=
other dark tantric paths involving practice of sex, meat,
wine etc=
]. Though the distance to sea was much shorter through that
jungle, it w=
as just too dangerous and only the bravest and strongest could
make it. =
There were cruel dacoits and wild animals [chance of a fall in a
risky r=
itual] and many weak people travelling to sea via that path were
killed.=
A wise man who knew the entire territory well came forward,
condem=
ned that path and discouraged people from trying that path. Since then,
=
even people who were strong enough to successfully make it in that path
=
desisted from it.</FONT></DIV>
bsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As time progressed, people st=
arted fighting too
much about whose path was superior. They were foolish=
, not smart enough to
adopt the original instructions, of either the so-=
called "pure" sea path or
the so-called "new" path or other variations, =
for the changed geography and
changed times. Many followed the instructi=
ons blindly, hit roadblocks and did
not reach sea. Many did not even kno=
w that "reaching the sea" was the actual
goal of all their joirneys. The=
y only thought they were supposed to follow the
instructions faithfully =
and there was no need to adopt to the changed
geographical territory and=
time. They even condemned those who actually went
to sea, came back and=
gave updated directions for their place and time,
for violating tr=
adition.</FONT></DIV>
>
nbsp;
* *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>=
<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
ize=3D2>In case the analogy is not clear, here is a brief
summary of its=
points. Veda is about realizing self. Veda describes various
aspects of=
the state of self-realization. That is why it is considered
the hi=
ghest knowledge. Other allied subjects throw some light on possible ways
=
to reach that state. While definitive statements can be made on the actual=
state of self-realization itself, no definitive statements can be made =
on how
to reach it. The path depends on one's current position!</FONT></=
DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
ce=3DArial size=3D2>Great men in many spiritual paths, within
Hinduism a=
s well as outside of it, came, experienced that state, understood
the cu=
rrent state of people around them and gave specific instructions on
=
how to reach that state from the current state. Some followed the instruct=
ions
and experienced the state. Some instead kept arguing about the cont=
radictions
between paths.</FONT></DIV>
2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Please re-read the=
story and try to understand
what each part of the story represents. If =
you understand this analogy well,
this can really clarify the meaningles=
s nature of so many debates that people
waste time with!</FONT></DIV>
=
ial size=3D2>*
* &n=
bsp; *</FONT></DIV>
=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> 2.=
I read from somewhere that Sri Sri Adi
Sankara has condemned</FONT></DI=
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Tantrik practices. But I also he=
ar and read
that he is a great Sri Vidya</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>> Upasaka himself. If Sri Vidya has its roots
from =
Tantra, what did</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Sri A=
di Sankara condemn? </FONT></DIV></DIV>
</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>He did condemn some =
vaamaachaara (left-hand)
practices of tantra like the use of sex, alcoho=
l, meat etc.</FONT></DIV>
/DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, please go back to my anal=
ogy. A great
man may condemn the use of a short path to reach the sea if=
it has a lot of
wild animals and dacoits and many travellers throu=
gh that path recently
lost their lives. It does not mean that path is to=
tally unusable. It only
means that too many people incapable of travelli=
ng on that path are using it
of late and so the great man was compelled =
to stop the practice.</FONT></DIV>
T> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If the same great man is =
reincarnated at a
different time when several adept souls he has a rina =
with are about to be
reincarnated, he may not condemn the path and inste=
ad write on travelling that
jungle path carefully!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
ze=3D2>The words of great masters need to be interpreted
within the cont=
ext of their desa, kaala and paatra and within the context of
the purpos=
e of that particular birth.</FONT></DIV>
></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
p;
* &n=
bsp; *</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> 3. What is vamachara? if it=
is the left hand
method - sex, drinks etc,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
ce=3DArial size=3D2>> why must it be practiced at
all?</FONT></DIV>
<=
al size=3D2>Suppose one's house is close to the market and
the market no=
ise reaches one's house. Suppose that noise is disturbing
one's med=
itation, i.e. one is unable to focus on god amid all the noise. There
ar=
e two approaches one can take - (1) run away from the noise, find a place o=
f
solitude and meditate there. (2) rise to the challenge, meditate right=
there
and develop the ability to turn off the sensory input to the mind=
, i.e. get
mastery and control over the part of the mind that is making =
one vulnerable to
this disturbance. After all, the noise from outside is=
NOT the problem - the
problem is the *inability* of one's mind to turn =
off that sensory input. By
controlling one's mind, one can focus attenti=
on on god irrespective of what is
happening outside.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
size=3D2>Approach (1) is not bad. If one is weak-minded
and has a decent=
chance of failure with approach (2), then approach (1) is
definitely pr=
udent and worthwhile. But, if one has a strong mind and can
succeed with=
approach (2), it is great. It hastens one's
progress.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
size=3D2>*
* =
*</FONT></DIV>
</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Vaamaachaara is also=
like that, but a more
extreme form of testing one's self-control by ris=
ing to the
challenge.</FONT></DIV>
FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Please realize that va=
amaachaara/aghora is not
about the use of sex, wine etc for the kick of =
it. It is about their use to
test oneself with the toughest challenges a=
nd hone one's self-control.
Self-realization comes when self-control is =
perfect and one's mind can always
be focussed on god no matter what is g=
oing on around one. If one is either
attracted or averse to any one thin=
g, that is enough to block
self-realization.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT f=
ace=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>However, if one is weak, it is better to stay
away from vaamaachaara. O=
ne needs to do other practices and strengthen
oneself. If a really pure =
yogi with perfect self-control is able to focus on
god with all his mind=
even when he is drunk and sitting naked with a beautiful
naked woman ti=
ghtly embracing him, then he can try that to test his
self-control and h=
one it. But, if that is going to tempt one, get the
mind away from =
god and onto a physical enjoyment, then one better not try that
path! Ju=
st as one who does not have a strong mind to meditate amid noise
should =
meditate in solitude and hone one's self-control, one who does not have
=
a strong mind to keep the focus on god in the middle of normally depriving =
practices such as wine, meat and sex should stay away from those.</FONT>=
</DIV>
<DIV>
<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>*
=
* *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT f=
>In my analogy before, the short jungle path to
the sea having the dange=
r of wild animals and dacoits represents the
vaamaachaara path of aghora=
. If one not having the wherewithal to battle and
kill the wild animals =
and dacoits tries that path, one may be killed.
Similarly, one who wants=
self-realization using this path will fall if one
does not have perfect=
self-control. If one takes this path because it sounds
cool or exciting=
, one is likely to fall. It is only for the fittest and
bravest.</FONT><=
/DIV>
<DIV><FONT f=
ace=3DArial size=3D2>If there is ANY weakness in one's self-control,
one=
can NOT follow this path. Just as there are many paths from the desert to =
the sea in my analogy, there are many paths to self-realization. One sho=
uld
follow the path that is appropriate for one based on previous samska=
ras,
strengths and weaknesses.</FONT></DIV>

* &nbs=
p; *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Is it not a fact that Sri Ambal=
lies above
all these? </FONT></DIV>
</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>:-) Sri Ambal (the D=
ivine Mother) does not lie
above or below anything. She lies everywhere!=
All knowledge, all desires and
all actions of all beings are Her own di=
fferent manifestations.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></F=
ONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If a yogi with perfect =
self-control drinks wine
and sits naked with a beautiful naked woma=
n tightly embracing him and yet
keeps his mind fully focussed on god, hi=
s self-control, his focus on god are
all different manifestations of the=
Divine Mother only.</FONT></DIV>
> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As a matter of fact, even =
if one gives in to base
instincts and pursues carnal pleasures, his desi=
res and actions are also
different manifestations of Divine Mother only.=
The Mother gives rise to so
many lower level forms with specific domain=
s of responsibility. The Mother
takes the form of Lakshmi and Alakshmi a=
s well. She takes the form of Vidya
and Avidya as well. All opposites an=
d polarities are actually Her
manifestations only.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
ze=3D2>However, those who are more comfortable with
Lakshmi and Vidya an=
d uncomfortable with Alakshmi and Avidya will look at only
the former pa=
ir as manifestation of Divine Mother and remain in duality. That
is a va=
lid point of view. However, the *ultimate* reality is that She is
All.</=
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I need to sleep now. I will stop here. Hope that=
put a few things in perspective. You can send further questions to the =
yahoogroups or to me privately.</FONT></DIV>
ize=3D2></FONT> </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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Namaskarams. Hope you remember me. I am a
friend of <deleted> of=
<deleted> temple, brother of
<deleted>. We met a couple o=
f years ago in <deleted>
temple.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FON=
e=3D2>I have a few doubts. I would like to hear your
opinion on the sa=
me.</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1. Are Vedic (Pure Vaithika rituals) di=
fferent
from Mantra Shastras (people explain that mantra shastra does =
not originate
from the vedas, but classified under tantra). Did Mantra=
shastras not
originate from vedas?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
2. I read from somewhere that Sri Sri Adi
Sankara has condemned Tantri=
k practices. But I also hear and read that he is
a great Sri Vidya Upa=
saka himself. If Sri Vidya has its roots from Tantra,
what did Sri Adi=
Sankara condemn? </FONT></DIV>
> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3. What is vamachara? if=
it is the left hand
method - sex, drinks etc, why must it be practice=
d at all? Is it not a fact
that Sri Ambal lies above all these? </FONT=
></DIV>
<DIV><=
FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am a little (totally) confused. Hope your
=
reply takes me out of the well to ask you more questions</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D=
Arial size=3D2>Namaskarams</FONT></DIV>
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Namaste Jyothi ji,
> Secondly, can you please help me with a question? ..=

snip..
> He was asking me if yoga, be it jnana yoga, bhakti yoga
> or any =
one, is the only way to attain moksha/realisation, then what
> will other =
living organisms like ameoba, bacteria and all will do to
> attain moksha?=
Arent they also living organisms?
> ..snip.. He said, if what I am saying=
is correct, only human beings
> will be evolved and other organisms will =
never attain moksha. I was
> breathless for a moment and did not know how =
to answer him. I really
> felt sad (and ashamed, because I thought I could=
answer all questions
> related to the mystery of life) that I couldnt ans=
wer him. ..snip..
Well, sadhana (effort) is what a being does. Phala (fru=

its) are decided by the Lord. If God wants, a bacteria can get moksha too. =
However, *usually* god has some rules of action and reaction to uphold and =
hence does not act out of order. So the chance of a baterium to get moksha =
is negligible (except at the end of this creation cycle).
It is indeed tr=
ue that amoeba or bacteria have very very small chance of moksha in THAT li=
fe. However, nobody stops them from doing some good karma (possibly by *cha=
nce*), get a higher birth and eventually be born as a human and do some sad=
hana.
When I wrote "by chance", it may make some uncomfortable. But that =
is the fact. Whatever action we perform with a sense of *I-ness* behind tha=
t action becomes a karma (action) and an equal and opposite phala (fruit/re=
action) will come. Suppose one donates one's eyes and feels good about the =
noble act and the person getting the eyes uses the newly gotten vision to l=
ook at some beautiful women, be tempted and rape them, the donor will get p=
art of that karma! The laws of karma are complex. Thinking like "this is a =
noble karma. So it is good only" is incorrect. Each action results in a ser=
ies of developments and begets some karma for the person. Of course, if an =
act is with committed with ego but not an intention to affect a particular =
development, the part of the karma begotten from that development is smalle=
r (than it would be if that development was intended). Thus, even bacteria =
and amoeba can beget karma from the results of their actions. But it is ver=
y small and accumulates slowly. Highly taamasik beings such as trees, amoeb=
a and bacteria take a looooong time to make progress on the ladder of kaarm=
ik evolution.
I want to make three comments:
(1) One need not feel sorr=

y for the amoeba and bacteria because they are mostly a long way from moksh=
a. Not all beings need to get moksha right away. If that is needed, god did=
not need to create this world. If there is unmanifested Brahman and nothin=
g else in this universe, that will solve all problems. But the fact is that=
manifested Brahman with infinite objects at varying levels of karmic evolu=
tion is not really a problem! That is exactly what is needed for the Lila t=
o unfold.
(2) If you want to feel sorry, feel sorry not for amoeba and ba=
cteria, but for those who got the valuable human birth and yet act like amo=
eba and bacteria spiritually. Pity those who are stuck in the cycle of happ=
iness and sadness, elation and depression, hopes and despairs etc, without =
realizing that the play will end soon and what birth one will get next is u=
ncertain!!
(3) Actually, more than others, feel sorry for yourself. Who a=
re we to worry about others? They, their god and their gurus will feel sorr=
y for them and do something about them. Apne ko kya lena dena? We are first=
responsible for ourselves. When one cannot change self and focus attention=
on god fully within oneself, what is the point in lamenting about the spir=
ituality or lack of it in other people? So, we should all try to look inwar=
d and take a critical look at ourselves, given that we got a very very very=
valuable life as a human being.
> His question gave me a sleepless night=

. I thought a lot about it. If
> the whole world as a maya exist only in h=
uman's mind (as per my
> understanding, our mind creates this world, when =
through yoga,
> mind/ego collapse happens, there is no world or anything a=
nd we
> submerge as oneness in the omnipotent power), if it is a creation =
of
> mind, then there should not be any world when the human species is
>=
extinct. Right?
A mind is a mind is a mind. Mind creates the world, not=

necessarily a human mind. All minds can create a world. However, a human m=
ind is more capable than other minds to break down that created world and r=
eturn to the source. THAT is the point.
> (I am asking you because, you w=

ere instrumental (though unknowingly)
> in opening the wide horizon of spi=
ritual knowledge to me years back
> through just one reply to one of my qu=
estions related to Kundalini. I
> am always indebted to you for that and n=
ow I realise how stupid my
> questions were at that time.)
I am glad to=
know that. I am actually a fool who does not know much and cannot help any=
one. But the blessings of my gurus may work through me sometimes and benefi=
t some.
> First:
> I would like to know if you have heard of any vamacha=
ris in India who
> followed Vama Marga successfully and realised God. All =
true saints I
> have heard are followers of the Satwik path/right hand tan=
tra. So
> always wonder, did any body succeed in the other way? Anybody wh=
o was
> well-known as a Vamamarga saint?
Your question is kind of an oxy=

moron. Can good aghoris become "well-known" and come to limelight? :-)
I =
know one masterly aghori reasonably well. However, he is not restricted to =
one path. All paths are his own and he does not distinguish. He does aghora=
sadhanas in smashana and also Vedic sadhanas like Vedic homas with the sam=
e attitude. He chants Vedic mantras too. For example, when he chants Sri Ru=
dram, it produces amazing energy all around. He is a bhakti yogi too. When =
he thinks of Krishna, he melts in devotion. When he discusses upanishads an=
d other Vedanta texts such as Yoga Vaasishtham and BhagavadGita, his keen i=
ntellect shines forth like a Sun and illuminates the thinking of a ready au=
dience. I have never seen anyone who has such a perfect understanding of th=
e essence of Upanishads and exudes it in thoughts, words and actions. He ha=
s wife and children, has a full-time job and engages in several external ac=
tivities and is never idle. But his level of detachment with the work he do=
es so expertly is far higher than even ascetics who renounce everything and=
*try* to develop some detachment.
Bottomline is that he is an aghori, bu=

t he is also a jnaana yogi, bhakti yogi, karma yogi and raaja yogi. He is a=
vaidika and he is an aghori. All paths are his and he views all the same w=
ay. I don't know if all really good aghoris are like that or just he.
In =
any case, it is irrelevant to you if any aghori succeeded or not. If YOU ar=
e meant to succeed in aghota, you will. If not, you will not. To be safe, u=
ntil the right time and right person comes, one should not venture into agh=
ora. I want people to appreciate different things for what they are and not=
have unhealthy biases, but it does not mean everybody should try everythin=
g. Nuclear engineers hating politicians, politicians hating lawyers and law=
yers hating doctors is bad. But one should become what one is supposed to!
=
> A few years back, I had read AGHORA -Kundalini by Robert Svoboda. In
>=
that book one Aghori Vimalananda is mentioned. But except in that
> book,=
I couldnt find any references to this person anywhere. Not even
> in net.=
(The only references were the ones related to Robert
> Swaboda's book and=
as his Guru).
Well, he guarded his privacy and made sure that the boo=
ks came out only after he left the body. Moreover, his real name was not th=
at. Also, he led his spiritual life in relative seclusion and not many knew=
him. No wonder you can't find info on him.
Bottomline is: Whether he is =
real or not, one can benefit from teachings attributed to him. The knowledg=
e present in the aghora series of books is nothing short of amazing. It may=
shock you, but it can change your thinking from inside out and give you a =
clearer understanding. Vimalananda not only managed to impart great underst=
anding to Svoboda, but also ensure that Mother Taaraa Herself would speak t=
hrough Svoboda and the knowledge would come out perfect. Other books author=
ed by Svoboda may not have the same brilliance, but those books came out ju=
st as Vimalananda intended.
There are many things in the book which could=

not have come from a normal person. They came from someone who had a perfe=
ct, steady and unwavering understanding of the absolute truth.
BTW, you c=
annot meet a good and genuine aghori unless there is a rina and *he* wants =
you to meet him.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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--- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "jyothi_b=

_lakshmi" <jyothi_b_lakshmi@...> wrote:
>
> Namaste Narasimhji,
>
>
> Enj=
oyed reading both your mails. This reminds me of a koan riddle:
>
> A MAST=
ER was asked the question, "What is the Way?" by a curious
> monk.
> "It is=
right before your eyes," said the master.
> Monk: "Why do I not see it for=
myself?"
> Master: "Because you are thinking of yourself."
> Monk: "What a=
bout you? Do you see it?"
> Master: "So long as you see double, saying I do=
n't and you do, and so
> on, your eyes are clouded,"
> Monk: "When there i=
s neither 'I' nor 'You' can one see it?"
> Master: "When there is neither '=
I' nor 'You,' who is the one that
> wants to see it?"
>
> Can I request t=
wo favours from you?
>
> First:
> I would like to know if you have heard =
of any vamacharis in India who
> followed Vama Marga successfully and real=
ised God. All true saints I
> have heard are followers of the Satwik path/=
right hand tantra. So
> always wonder, did any body succeed in the other w=
ay? Anybody who was
> well-known as a Vamamarga saint?
>
> A few years ba=
ck, I had read AGHORA -Kundalini by Robert Svoboda. In
> that book one Agh=
ori Vimalananda is mentioned. But except in that
> book, I couldnt find an=
y references to this person anywhere. Not even
> in net. (The only referen=
ces were the ones related to Robert
> Swaboda's book and as his Guru).
=
>
> Secondly, can you please help me with a question?
> A week back, I was=
elaborating about realisation and yoga, meditation
> and all such to one =
of my cousins who did not actually understand all
> what I said. He was as=
king me if yoga, be it jnana yoga, bhakti yoga
> or any one, is the only w=
ay to attain moksha/realisation, then what
> will other living organisms l=
ike ameoba, bacteria and all will do to
> attain moksha? Arent they also l=
iving organisms? (He has done his
> research in Bio Informatics, hence his=
priority to bacteria and
> ameoba). He said, if what I am saying is corre=
ct, only human beings
> will be evolved and other organisms will never att=
ain moksha. I was
> breathless for a moment and did not know how to answer=
him. I really
> felt sad (and ashamed, because I thought I could answer a=
ll questions
> related to the mystery of life) that I couldnt answer him. =
His
> question seemed stupid, but when I thought of it, isnt that a valid =
> question?
>
> His question gave me a sleepless night. I thought a lot a=
bout it. If
> the whole world as a maya exist only in human's mind (as per=
my
> understanding, our mind creates this world, when through yoga,
> mi=
nd/ego collapse happens, there is no world or anything and we
> submerge a=
s oneness in the omnipotent power), if it is a creation of
> mind, then th=
ere should not be any world when the human species is
> extinct. Right?
>=
> I dont know if I have convey my doubt clearly.

>
> Would you be able=
to share your knowledge on this?
>
> (I am asking you because, you were =
instrumental (though unknowingly)
> in opening the wide horizon of spiritu=
al knowledge to me years back
> through just one reply to one of my questi=
ons related to Kundalini. I
> am always indebted to you for that and now I=
realise how stupid my
>
> With Respects=
,
> Jyothi
>
> --- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr=
@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Namaste friends,
> >
> > There is one more thing I w=
anted to include in the analogy/parable,
> but did not do so due to lack o=
f time last night. Let me expand now.
> Though this is not related to the =
original questions, this will
> complete the story.
> >
> > * * =
*
> >
> > There was a way to the sea through a country called "Vish=
nu
> raajyam" [Vaishnavism]. Some people travelled the path, found a
> be=
autiful city called Vishnupuri on the coast and the sea was close
> to the=
city. The journey through Vishnu raajya was documented in a
> book [Vishn=
u Purana] and the book claimed that this was a beautiful
> journey and ena=
bles one to reach the sea. It also claimed that other
> coastal cities wer=
e by the very same sea and reaching the sea here
> amounts to reaching the=
sea at all other places.
> >
> > There was another way to the sea throug=
h a country called "Shiva
> desam" [Shaivism]. Some people travelled the p=
ath, found a wonderful
> city called Shivanagari on the coast and the sea =
was right next to
> it. The journey though Shiva desam was documented in a=
book [Shiva
> Purana] and the book claimed that this was an amazing journ=
ey and
> enables one to reach the sea. It also claimed that other coastal =
> cities were by the very same sea and reaching the sea here amounts to
>=
reaching the sea at all other places.
> >
> > There were some people who=
had never actually been to either city
> nor seen the sea. Some were impr=
essed by the description of one city
> and some by the other. They were so=
impressed that they started
> arguing which was the best city. Some even =
went to the extent of
> condemning and putting down the other city. Some p=
eople who had seen
> both the cities came forward and said, "the main thin=
g is not the
> city, but the sea itself. The sea is the same in both place=
s. Though
> different, both cities are nice and both give one the same sea=
." That
> did not convince the fighting factions and they continued to fig=
ht.
> Later, some of them even forgot about the sea and started thinking
=
> that the city was the main thing and not the sea. Of course, both the
> =
cities are really beautiful. Stuck in their animosity and fights,
> they c=
ould never visit either city nor enjoy the sea.
> >
> > * * =
*
> >
> > OK, I think the parable is complete now. :-)
> >
> > Best re=
gards,
> > Narasimha
> > --------------------------------------------------=
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> > ----- Original Message ----=
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> > From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao
> > To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com=
; sivacharya@yahoogroups.com ;
> sohamsa@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Mon=
day, August 18, 2008 12:43 AM
> > Subject: Analogy: Veda, Aagama, Tantra,=
Aghora etc
> >
> >
> > Namaste Sir,
> >
> > There is no need for ei=
ther Sri or Ji in addressing me.
> >
> > Hoping you won't mind, I am sen=
ding this reply to some
> yahoogroups that may have some interested people=
. When I was
> meditating before replying to you, a really beautiful and m=
eaningful
> analogy came to me and I think it is worth sharing with more p=
eople
> than just you. To ensure your anonymity, I removed references in t=
he
> quoted mail below that may help one identify you.
> >
> > * =
* *
> >
> > First I will answer your first question in detail, b=
ecause that
> can automatically answer other questions.
> >
> > > 1. Ar=
e Vedic (Pure Vaithika rituals) different from Mantra
> Shastras
> > > (=
people explain that mantra shastra does not originate from the
> vedas,
> =
> > but classified under tantra). Did Mantra shastras not originate
> fr=
om vedas?
> >
> > * * *
> >
> > When people say what is=
in Veda and what is not, honestly I can
> only laugh. They are only fooli=
ng themselves. Reciting Veda with
> perfect swara or mastering a celebrate=
d commentary does not help one
> understand Veda. In fact, understanding e=
ach single verse in Veda
> requires great tapascharya. Understanding a ver=
se in Veda is neither
> possible with energy flowing in Ida nadi (intuitio=
n) nor in Pingala
> nadi (logic and analysis). It is possible only with en=
ergy flowing in
> Sushumna nadi. It is possible with neither intuition nor=
logic, but
> only with *revelation* and simply, for the lack of a better =
> expression, direct knowledge.

> >
> > When one meditates long enough =
on a verse, the verse may simply
> be revealed to the yogi. THAT is the on=
ly way to understand a Vedic
> verse. For most people, it is not possible =
to decipher even a single
> verse in an entire life, let alone a passage.
=
> >
> > Bottomoline is: Almost nobody understands Veda today. What are
=
> considered "pure vaidika rituals" are merely another variety of
> ritual=
s created by someone at some point of time. From the point of
> view of au=
thenticity as granted by Veda, there is no difference
> between them and o=
ther aagamic rituals, though people ignorantly
> believe otherwise.
> >
>=
> * * *
> >
> > A simple analogy may help clarify a lot=
of things related to this
> complicated issue a little. What the thing in=
the analogy represents
> is shown here and there in square brackets [].
>=
>
> > Once there were many people who lived near the sea
> [Brahman/Aa=
tman]. They regularly sat by the sea and enjoyed the sight
> and sound of =
the sea [experienced Brahman]. They described the sea in
> some nice crypt=
ic poems [Veda].
> >
> > As people started living a little away from the=
sea [less
> spiritually evolved], someone had to put together some instru=
ctions
> on how to reach the sea. He said, "keep walking towards east" and=
the
> instructions grew with time. People faithfully followed the
> inst=
ructions [rituals].
> >
> > People started moving further and further in=
land and started
> living in a landlocked desert far away from the sea. Th=
is generation
> had never seen a pool of water like a lake, let alone a se=
a. They
> faithfully performed the ritual of walking towards east, but did=
not
> find sea. They debated endlessly whether one had to walk one mile o=
r
> two miles or three miles and formed different schools of thought.
> S=
ome walked their chosen distance, found a tree or a building or some
> int=
eresting object and even became satisfied that that was sea!
> >
> > The=
n came some great person, whose instincts led him to take a
> horse instea=
d of walking and ride it for a long distance [use of
> other tools]. He di=
d find the sea after a few months. He put together
> newer instructions to=
reach the sea, which included riding a horse
> [new aagamas].
> >
> > =
People performing the old rituals objected to this and said "but
> then th=
is horse thing is not granted by the book of sea. This is a
> new path and=
different from the "pure" sea ritual" ["pure" Vedic
> ritual]. By now, pe=
ople did not even understand what the cryptic
> poems of the original "boo=
k of sea" mean, but they simply believed
> that those poems taught the old=
"pure" sea rituals that they were
> used to. They were blissfully unaware=
that the original instructions
> were meant for someone already close to =
sea and the newer
> instructions came from someone who actually saw the se=
a and knew
> where they currently lived and how to get to the sea from the=
re!
> >
> > Slowly many new sets of instructions involving horses, chari=
ots
> etc were taught and many new paths to the sea were outlined instead =
> of just instructing people to walk towards east [evolution of

> mantra/=
tantra/yantras].
> >
> > One particular path through jungles was dangero=
us [aghora and
> other dark tantric paths involving practice of sex, meat,=
wine etc].
> Though the distance to sea was much shorter through that jun=
gle, it
> was just too dangerous and only the bravest and strongest could =
make
> it. There were cruel dacoits and wild animals [chance of a fall in =
a
> risky ritual] and many weak people travelling to sea via that path
> =
were killed. A wise man who knew the entire territory well came
> forward,=
condemned that path and discouraged people from trying that
> path. Since=
then, even people who were strong enough to successfully
> make it in tha=
t path desisted from it.
> >
> > As time progressed, people started figh=
ting too much about whose
> path was superior. They were foolish, not smar=
t enough to adopt the
> original instructions, of either the so-called "pu=
re" sea path or the
> so-called "new" path or other variations, for the ch=
anged geography
> and changed times. Many followed the instructions blindl=
y, hit
> roadblocks and did not reach sea. Many did not even know
> that =
"reaching the sea" was the actual goal of all their joirneys.
> They only =
thought they were supposed to follow the instructions
> faithfully and the=
re was no need to adopt to the changed geographical
> territory and time. =
They even condemned those who actually went to
> sea, came back and gave u=
pdated directions for their place and time,
> for violating tradition.
> >=
> > * * *
> >
> > In case the analogy is not clear, he=
re is a brief summary of its
> points. Veda is about realizing self. Veda =
describes various aspects
> of the state of self-realization. That is why =
it is considered the
> highest knowledge. Other allied subjects throw some=
light on possible
> ways to reach that state. While definitive statements=
can be made on
> the actual state of self-realization itself, no definiti=
ve statements
> can be made on how to reach it. The path depends on one's =
current
> position!
> >
> > Great men in many spiritual paths, within H=
induism as well as
> outside of it, came, experienced that state, understo=
od the current
> state of people around them and gave specific instruction=
s on how to
> reach that state from the current state. Some followed the
=
> instructions and experienced the state. Some instead kept arguing
> abou=
t the contradictions between paths.
> >
> > Please re-read the story and=
try to understand what each part of
> the story represents. If you unders=
tand this analogy well, this can
> really clarify the meaningless nature o=
f so many debates that people
> waste time with!
> >
> > * * =
*
> >
> > > 2. I read from somewhere that Sri Sri Adi Sankara has co=
ndemned
> > > Tantrik practices. But I also hear and read that he is a gr=
eat
> Sri Vidya
> > > Upasaka himself. If Sri Vidya has its roots from T=
antra, what
> did
> > > Sri Adi Sankara condemn?
> >
> > He did cond=
emn some vaamaachaara (left-hand) practices of tantra
> like the use of se=
x, alcohol, meat etc.
> >
> > However, please go back to my analogy. A g=
reat man may condemn
> the use of a short path to reach the sea if it has =
a lot of wild
> animals and dacoits and many travellers through that path =
recently
> lost their lives. It does not mean that path is totally unusabl=
e. It
> only means that too many people incapable of travelling on that pa=
th
> are using it of late and so the great man was compelled to stop the
=
> practice.
> >
> > If the same great man is reincarnated at a different=
time when
> several adept souls he has a rina with are about to be reinca=
rnated,
> he may not condemn the path and instead write on travelling that=
> jungle path carefully!

> >
> > The words of great masters need to be=
interpreted within the
> context of their desa, kaala and paatra and with=
in the context of the
> purpose of that particular birth.
> >
> > * =
* *
> >
> > > 3. What is vamachara? if it is the left hand me=
thod - sex,
> drinks etc,
> > > why must it be practiced at all?
> >
> =
> Suppose one's house is close to the market and the market noise
> reac=
hes one's house. Suppose that noise is disturbing one's
> meditation, i.e.=
one is unable to focus on god amid all the noise.
> There are two approac=
hes one can take - (1) run away from the noise,
> find a place of solitude=
and meditate there. (2) rise to the
> challenge, meditate right there and=
develop the ability to turn off
> the sensory input to the mind, i.e. get=
mastery and control over the
> part of the mind that is making one vulner=
able to this disturbance.
> After all, the noise from outside is NOT the p=
roblem - the problem is
> the *inability* of one's mind to turn off that s=
ensory input. By
> controlling one's mind, one can focus attention on god =
irrespective
> of what is happening outside.
> >
> > Approach (1) is no=
t bad. If one is weak-minded and has a decent
> chance of failure with app=
roach (2), then approach (1) is definitely
> prudent and worthwhile. But, =
if one has a strong mind and can succeed
> with approach (2), it is great.=
It hastens one's progress.
> >
> > * * *
> >
> > Vaama=
achaara is also like that, but a more extreme form of
> testing one's self=
-control by rising to the challenge.
> >
> > Please realize that vaamaac=
haara/aghora is not about the use of
> sex, wine etc for the kick of it. I=
t is about their use to test
> oneself with the toughest challenges and ho=
ne one's self-control.
> Self-realization comes when self-control is perfe=
ct and one's mind
> can always be focussed on god no matter what is going =
on around one.
> If one is either attracted or averse to any one thing, th=
at is enough
> to block self-realization.
> >
> > However, if one is we=
ak, it is better to stay away from
> vaamaachaara. One needs to do other p=
ractices and strengthen oneself.
> If a really pure yogi with perfect self=
-control is able to focus on
> god with all his mind even when he is drunk=
and sitting naked with a
> beautiful naked woman tightly embracing him, t=
hen he can try that to
> test his self-control and hone it. But, if that i=
s going to tempt
> one, get the mind away from god and onto a physical enj=
oyment, then
> one better not try that path! Just as one who does not have=
a strong
> mind to meditate amid noise should meditate in solitude and ho=
ne
> one's self-control, one who does not have a strong mind to keep the
=
> focus on god in the middle of normally depriving practices such as
> win=
e, meat and sex should stay away from those.
> >
> > * * *=
> >
> > In my analogy before, the short jungle path to the sea having t=
he
> danger of wild animals and dacoits represents the vaamaachaara path
=
> of aghora. If one not having the wherewithal to battle and kill the
> wi=
ld animals and dacoits tries that path, one may be killed.
> Similarly, on=
e who wants self-realization using this path will fall
> if one does not h=
ave perfect self-control. If one takes this path
> because it sounds cool =
or exciting, one is likely to fall. It is only
> for the fittest and brave=
st.
> >
> > If there is ANY weakness in one's self-control, one can NOT =
> follow this path. Just as there are many paths from the desert to the
>=
sea in my analogy, there are many paths to self-realization. One
> should=
follow the path that is appropriate for one based on previous
> samskaras=
, strengths and weaknesses.
> >
> > * * *
> >
> > > Is =
it not a fact that Sri Ambal lies above all these?
> >
> > :-) Sri Amba=
l (the Divine Mother) does not lie above or below
> anything. She lies eve=
rywhere! All knowledge, all desires and all
> actions of all beings are He=
r own different manifestations.
> >
> > If a yogi with perfect self-cont=
rol drinks wine and sits naked
> with a beautiful naked woman tightly embr=
acing him and yet keeps his
> mind fully focussed on god, his self-control=
, his focus on god are
> all different manifestations of the Divine Mother=
only.
> >
> > As a matter of fact, even if one gives in to base instinc=
ts and
> pursues carnal pleasures, his desires and actions are also differ=
ent
> manifestations of Divine Mother only. The Mother gives rise to so
>=
many lower level forms with specific domains of responsibility. The
> Mot=
her takes the form of Lakshmi and Alakshmi as well. She takes the
> form o=
f Vidya and Avidya as well. All opposites and polarities are
> actually He=
r manifestations only.
> >
> > However, those who are more comfortable w=
ith Lakshmi and Vidya
> and uncomfortable with Alakshmi and Avidya will lo=
ok at only the
> former pair as manifestation of Divine Mother and remain =
in duality.
> That is a valid point of view. However, the *ultimate* reali=
ty is
> that She is All.
> >
> > I need to sleep now. I will stop here.=
Hope that put a few things
> in perspective. You can send further questio=
ns to the yahoogroups or
> to me privately.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > =
Narasimha
> > ----------------------------------------------------------=
--------
> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/ho=
mam
> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpan=
a
> > Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
> > Free=
> > Free Jyoti=
> > Sri Jagannath C=
entre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
> > --------------------=
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>
> >
> > Sri Sri Nar=
asimhaJI
> > Namaskarams. Hope you remember me. I am a friend of <delet=
ed>
> of <deleted> temple, brother of <deleted>. We met a couple of years =
> ago in <deleted> temple.

> >
> > I have a few doubts. I would like =
to hear your opinion on the
> same.
> >
> > 1. Are Vedic (Pure Vaithi=
ka rituals) different from Mantra
> Shastras (people explain that mantra s=
hastra does not originate from
> the vedas, but classified under tantra). =
Did Mantra shastras not
> originate from vedas?
> >
> > 2. I read fro=
m somewhere that Sri Sri Adi Sankara has condemned
> Tantrik practices. Bu=
t I also hear and read that he is a great Sri
> Vidya Upasaka himself. If =
Sri Vidya has its roots from Tantra, what
> did Sri Adi Sankara condemn?
=
> >
> > 3. What is vamachara? if it is the left hand method - sex,
> =
drinks etc, why must it be practiced at all? Is it not a fact that
> Sri A=
mbal lies above all these?
> >
> > I am a little (totally) confused. =
Hope your reply takes me out
> of the well to ask you more questions
> >
=
> > Namaskarams
> > <deleted>
> >
> > --
> > Regards
> > =
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Jyothi ji,</FONT></DIV>
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Secondly, can you please help me w=
ith a
question? ..snip..<BR>> He was asking me if yoga, be it jnana yog=
a, bhakti
yoga <BR>> or any one, is the only way to attain moksha/reali=
sation, then
what <BR>> will other living organisms like ameoba, bacter=
ia and all will do
to <BR>> attain moksha? Arent they also living organ=
isms? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> ..snip.. He said,=
if what I am saying is
correct, only human beings <BR>> will be evolve=
d and other organisms will
never attain moksha. I was <BR>> breathless =
for a moment and did not know how
to answer him. I really <BR>> felt sa=
d (and ashamed, because I thought I
could answer all questions <BR>> re=
lated to the mystery of life) that I
couldnt answer him. ..snip..</FONT><B=
R><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>Well, sadhana (effort) is what a being does. Phala
(fruits) are d=
ecided by the Lord. If God wants, a bacteria can get moksha too.
However, =
*usually* god has some rules of action and reaction to uphold and hence
do=
es not act out of order. So the chance of a baterium to get moksha is
negl=
igible (except at the end of this creation cycle).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
=3D2>It is indeed true that amoeba or bacteria have very
very small chance=
of moksha in THAT life. However, nobody stops them from doing
some good k=
arma (possibly by *chance*), get a higher birth and eventually be
born as =
a human and do some sadhana.</FONT></DIV>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When I wrote "by chanc=
e", it may make some
uncomfortable. But that is the fact. Whatever action =
we perform with a sense of
*I-ness* behind that action becomes a karma (ac=
tion) and an equal and opposite
phala (fruit/reaction) will come. Suppose =
one donates one's eyes and feels good
about the noble act and the person g=
etting the eyes uses the newly gotten vision
to look at some beautiful wom=
en, be tempted and rape them, the
donor will get part of that ka=
rma! The laws of karma are complex. Thinking
like "this is a noble karma. =
So it is good only" is incorrect. Each action
results in a series of devel=
opments and begets some karma for the person. Of
course, if an act is with=
committed with ego but not an intention to affect a
particular developmen=
t, the part of the karma begotten from that development is
smaller (than i=
t would be if that development was intended). Thus, even
bacteria and=
amoeba can beget karma from the results of their actions. But it is
very =
small and accumulates slowly. </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Highly
ta=
amasik beings such as trees, amoeba and bacteria take a looooong time to ma=
ke
progress on the ladder of kaarmik evolution.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I =
want to make three comments:</FONT></DIV>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(1) One need not feel =
sorry for the amoeba and
bacteria because they are mostly a long way from =
moksha. Not all beings need to
get moksha right away. If that is needed, g=
od did not need to create this world.
If there is unmanifested Brahman and=
nothing else in this universe, that will
solve all problems. But the fact=
is that manifested Brahman with infinite
objects at varying levels of kar=
mic evolution is not really a problem! That is
exactly what is needed for =
the Lila to unfold.</FONT></DIV>
ONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(2) If you want to feel sorry, =
feel sorry not for
amoeba and bacteria, but for those who got the valuable=
human birth and yet act
like amoeba and bacteria spiritually. Pity those =
who are stuck in the cycle of
happiness and sadness, elation and depressio=
n, hopes and despairs etc, without
realizing that the play will end soon a=
nd what birth one will get next is
uncertain!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(3)=
Actually, more than others, feel sorry for
yourself. Who are we to worry =
about others? They, their god and their gurus will
feel sorry for them and=
do something about them. Apne ko kya lena dena? We are
first responsible =
for ourselves. When one cannot change self and focus attention
on god full=
y within oneself, what is the point in lamenting about the
spirituality or=
lack of it in other people? So, we should all try to look inward
and take=
a critical look at ourselves, given that we got a very very very
valuable=
life as a human being.</FONT></DIV>
;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> His question gave me a=
sleepless night. I
thought a lot about it. If <BR>> the whole world as=
a maya exist only in
human's mind (as per my <BR>> understanding, our =
mind creates this world,
when through yoga, <BR>> mind/ego collapse hap=
pens, there is no world or
anything and we <BR>> submerge as oneness in=
the omnipotent power), if it is
a creation of <BR>> mind, then there s=
hould not be any world when the human
species is <BR>> extinct. Right? =
</FONT><BR><FONT face=3DArial
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>A mind is a mind is a mind. Mind creates the world,
not =
necessarily a human mind. All minds can create a world. However, a human
m=
ind is more capable than other minds to break down that created world and
=
return to the source. THAT is the point.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> (I am=
asking you because, you were
instrumental (though unknowingly) <BR>> i=
n opening the wide horizon of
spiritual knowledge to me years back <BR>>=
; through just one reply to one of
my questions related to Kundalini. I <B=
R>> am always indebted to you for that
and now I realise how stupid my =
<BR>> questions were at that time.)
</FONT><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am glad to know=
that. I am actually a fool who
does not know much and cannot help anyone.=
But the blessings of my gurus may
work through me sometimes and benefit s=
ome.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> First: <BR>> I would like to kno=
w if you
have heard of any vamacharis in India who <BR>> followed Vama =
Marga
successfully and realised God. All true saints I <BR>> have heard=
are
followers of the Satwik path/right hand tantra. So <BR>> always wo=
nder, did
any body succeed in the other way? Anybody who was <BR>> well=
-known as a
Vamamarga saint?</FONT><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> <=
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Your question is kind of an o=
xymoron. Can good
aghoris become "well-known" and come to limelight? :-)</=
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
face=3DArial size=3D2>I know one masterly aghori reasonably well.
However=
, he is not restricted to one path. All paths are his own and he does not
=
distinguish. He does aghora sadhanas in smashana and also Vedic sadhanas li=
ke
Vedic homas with the same attitude. He chants Vedic mantras too. For ex=
ample,
when he chants Sri Rudram, it produces amazing energy all around. H=
e is a bhakti
yogi too. </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When he thinks =
of Krishna, he melts in
devotion. When he discusses upanishads and other V=
edanta texts such as Yoga
Vaasishtham and BhagavadGita, his keen intellect=
shines forth like a Sun and
illuminates the thinking of a ready audience.=
I have never seen anyone who has
such a perfect understanding of the esse=
nce of Upanishads and exudes it in
thoughts, words and actions. </FON=
T><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>He has wife and
children, has a full-time jo=
b and engages in several external activities and is
never idle. But his le=
vel of detachment with the work he does so expertly is far
higher than eve=
n ascetics who renounce everything and *try* to develop some
detachment.</=
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
face=3DArial size=3D2>Bottomline is that he is an aghori, but he is also
=
a jnaana yogi, bhakti yogi, karma yogi and raaja yogi. He is a vaidika and =
he is
an aghori. All paths are his and he views all the same way. I don't =
know if all
really good aghoris are like that or just he.</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
ize=3D2>In any case, it is irrelevant to you if any aghori
succeeded or no=
t. If YOU are meant to succeed in aghota, you will. If not, you
will not. =
To be safe, until the right time and right person comes, one should
not ve=
nture into aghora. I want people to appreciate different things for what
t=
hey are and not have unhealthy biases, but it does not mean everybody shoul=
d
try everything. Nuclear engineers hating politicians, politicians hating=
lawyers
and lawyers hating doctors is bad. But one should become what one=
is supposed
to!</FONT></DIV>
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> A few years back, I had read=
AGHORA -Kundalini
by Robert Svoboda. In <BR>> that book one Aghori Vim=
alananda is mentioned.
But except in that <BR>> book, I couldnt find an=
y references to this person
anywhere. Not even <BR>> in net. (The only =
references were the ones related
to Robert <BR>> Swaboda's book and as =
his Guru). </FONT><BR><FONT
face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT=
></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well, he guarded his privacy and m=
ade sure that the
books came out only after he left the body. Moreover, hi=
s real name was not
that. Also, he led his spiritual life in relative secl=
usion and not many knew
him. No wonder you can't find info on him.</FONT><=
/DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>Bottomline is: Whether he is real or not, one can
benefi=
t from teachings attributed to him. The knowledge present in the aghora
se=
ries of books is nothing short of amazing. It may shock you, but it can cha=
nge
your thinking from inside out and give you a clearer understandin=
g.
Vimalananda not only managed to impart great understanding to Svoboda, =
but also
ensure that Mother Taaraa Herself would speak through Svoboda and=
the knowledge
would come out perfect. Other books authored by Svoboda may=
not have the same
brilliance, but those books came out just as Vimalanand=
a intended.</FONT></DIV>
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There are many things in the book which=
could not
have come from a normal person. They came from someone who had =
a perfect,
steady and unwavering understanding of the absolute truth.=
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FO=
NT face=3DArial size=3D2>BTW, you cannot meet a good and genuine aghori
un=
less there is a rina and *he* wants you to meet him.</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DI=
ize=3D2>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------------------------------=
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href=3D"mail=
to:sohamsa@yahoogroups.com">sohamsa@yahoogroups.com</A>,
"jyothi_b_lakshmi=
" <jyothi_b_lakshmi@...> wrote:<BR>><BR>> Namaste
Narasimhji,<=
BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Enjoyed reading both your mails. This
reminds me=
of a koan riddle:<BR>> <BR>> A MASTER was asked the question,
"What=
is the Way?" by a curious<BR>> monk.<BR>> "It is right before your
=
eyes," said the master.<BR>> Monk: "Why do I not see it for myself?"<BR>=
>
Master: "Because you are thinking of yourself."<BR>> Monk: "What a=
bout you?
Do you see it?"<BR>> Master: "So long as you see double, sayi=
ng I don't and
you do, and so <BR>> on, your eyes are clouded,"<BR>>=
Monk: "When there is
neither 'I' nor 'You' can one see it?"<BR>> Maste=
r: "When there is neither
'I' nor 'You,' who is the one that <BR>> want=
s to see it?"<BR>> <BR>>
Can I request two favours from you?<BR>>=
<BR>> First: <BR>> I would
like to know if you have heard of any va=
macharis in India who <BR>> followed
Vama Marga successfully and realis=
ed God. All true saints I <BR>> have heard
are followers of the Satwik =
path/right hand tantra. So <BR>> always wonder,
did any body succeed in=
the other way? Anybody who was <BR>> well-known as a
Vamamarga saint?<=
BR>> <BR>> A few years back, I had read AGHORA -Kundalini
by Robert =
Svoboda. In <BR>> that book one Aghori Vimalananda is mentioned.
But ex=
cept in that <BR>> book, I couldnt find any references to this person
a=
nywhere. Not even <BR>> in net. (The only references were the ones relat=
ed
to Robert <BR>> Swaboda's book and as his Guru). <BR>>=
;
<BR>> Secondly, can you please help me with a question?<BR>> A wee=
k back,
I was elaborating about realisation and yoga, meditation <BR>> =
and all such
to one of my cousins who did not actually understand all <BR>=
> what I said.
He was asking me if yoga, be it jnana yoga, bhakti yoga =
<BR>> or any one, is
the only way to attain moksha/realisation, then wh=
at <BR>> will other living
organisms like ameoba, bacteria and all will=
do to <BR>> attain moksha? Arent
they also living organisms? (He has d=
one his <BR>> research in Bio
Informatics, hence his priority to bacter=
ia and <BR>> ameoba). He said, if
what I am saying is correct, only hum=
an beings <BR>> will be evolved and
other organisms will never attain m=
oksha. I was <BR>> breathless for a moment
and did not know how to answ=
er him. I really <BR>> felt sad (and ashamed,
because I thought I could=
answer all questions <BR>> related to the mystery
of life) that I coul=
dnt answer him. His <BR>> question seemed stupid, but
when I thought of=
it, isnt that a valid <BR>> question?<BR>> <BR>> His
question ga=
ve me a sleepless night. I thought a lot about it. If <BR>> the
whole w=
orld as a maya exist only in human's mind (as per my <BR>>
understandin=
g, our mind creates this world, when through yoga, <BR>> mind/ego
colla=
pse happens, there is no world or anything and we <BR>> submerge as
one=
ness in the omnipotent power), if it is a creation of <BR>> mind, then
=
there should not be any world when the human species is <BR>> extinct. R=
ight?
<BR>> <BR>> I dont know if I have convey my doubt clearly.&nbs=
p; <BR>>
<BR>> Would you be able to share your knowledge on this? <B=
R>> <BR>> (I
am asking you because, you were instrumental (though un=
knowingly) <BR>> in
opening the wide horizon of spiritual knowledge to =
me years back <BR>>
through just one reply to one of my questions relat=
ed to Kundalini. I <BR>>
am always indebted to you for that and now I r=
ealise how stupid my <BR>>
questions were at that time.) <BR>> <BR>&=
gt; With Respects,<BR>>
Jyothi<BR>> <BR>> --- In <A
href=3D"mail=
to:sohamsa@yahoogroups.com">sohamsa@yahoogroups.com</A>, "Narasimha
P.V.R.=
Rao" <pvr@> <BR>> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > Namaste
frien=
ds,<BR>> > <BR>> > There is one more thing I wanted to
i=
nclude in the analogy/parable, <BR>> but did not do so due to lack of ti=
me
last night. Let me expand now. <BR>> Though this is not related to t=
he
original questions, this will <BR>> complete the story.<BR>> >=

<BR>> > *
* &=
nbsp; *<BR>> > <BR>> >
The=
re was a way to the sea through a country called "Vishnu <BR>> raajyam" =
[Vaishnavism]. Some people travelled the path, found a <BR>> beautiful =

city
called Vishnupuri on the coast and the sea was close <BR>> to the =
city. The
journey through Vishnu raajya was documented in a <BR>> book =
[Vishnu Purana]
and the book claimed that this was a beautiful <BR>> jo=
urney and enables one
to reach the sea. It also claimed that other <BR>>=
; coastal cities were by the
very same sea and reaching the sea here <BR>&=
gt; amounts to reaching the sea at
all other places.<BR>> > <B=
R>> > There was another way to the
sea through a country called "Shi=
va <BR>> desam" [Shaivism]. Some people
travelled the path, found a won=
derful <BR>> city called Shivanagari on the
coast and the sea was right=
next to <BR>> it. The journey though Shiva desam
was documented in a b=
ook [Shiva <BR>> Purana] and the book claimed that this
was an amazing =
journey and <BR>> enables one to reach the sea. It also
claimed that ot=
her coastal <BR>> cities were by the very same sea and
reaching the sea=
here amounts to <BR>> reaching the sea at all other
places.<BR>> &g=
t; <BR>> > There were some people who had never
actually been =
to either city <BR>> nor seen the sea. Some were impressed by
the descr=
iption of one city <BR>> and some by the other. They were so
impressed =
that they started <BR>> arguing which was the best city. Some even
went=
to the extent of <BR>> condemning and putting down the other city. Some=
people who had seen <BR>> both the cities came forward and said, "the =
main
thing is not the <BR>> city, but the sea itself. The sea is the sa=
me in both
places. Though <BR>> different, both cities are nice and bot=
h give one the
same sea." That <BR>> did not convince the fighting fact=
ions and they
continued to fight. <BR>> Later, some of them even forgot=
about the sea and
started thinking <BR>> that the city was the main th=
ing and not the sea. Of
course, both the <BR>> cities are really beauti=
ful. Stuck in their animosity
and fights, <BR>> they could never visit =
either city nor enjoy the
sea.<BR>> > <BR>> >
* &n=
bsp;
* &n=
bsp; *<BR>> > <BR>> >
OK, I think the parable is complet=
e now. :-)<BR>> > <BR>> >
Best regards,<BR>> > Nar=
asimha<BR>> >
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------------<BR>> >
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w.VedicAstrologer.org/homam">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</A><BR>&g=
t;
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <A
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ituality: <A
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oups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom</A><BR>>
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P3): <A
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> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <A

href=3D"http://www.SriJagann=
ath.org">http://www.SriJagannath.org</A><BR>> >
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---------------------------------------------- <BR>>
> -=
---- Original Message ----- <BR>> > From:
Narasimha P.V.=
R. Rao <BR>> > To: <A
href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom@yahoog=
roups.com">vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com</A> ; <A
href=3D"mailto:sivacharya=
@yahoogroups.com">sivacharya@yahoogroups.com</A> ;
<BR>> <A href=3D"mai=
lto:sohamsa@yahoogroups.com">sohamsa@yahoogroups.com</A>
<BR>> >&nbs=
p; Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:43 AM<BR>>
> S=
ubject: Analogy: Veda, Aagama, Tantra, Aghora etc<BR>> >
<BR>> &g=
t; <BR>> > Namaste Sir,<BR>> > <BR>>
> =
There is no need for either Sri or Ji in addressing me.<BR>>
>=
; <BR>> > Hoping you won't mind, I am sending this reply =
to
some <BR>> yahoogroups that may have some interested people. When I =
was
<BR>> meditating before replying to you, a really beautiful and mea=
ningful
<BR>> analogy came to me and I think it is worth sharing with m=
ore people
<BR>> than just you. To ensure your anonymity, I removed ref=
erences in the
<BR>> quoted mail below that may help one identify you.<=
BR>> > <BR>>
> * &nbs=
p;
* *<BR>> > <BR>&g=
t;
> First I will answer your first question in detail, bec=
ause that
<BR>> can automatically answer other questions.<BR>> > =
<BR>>
> > 1. Are Vedic (Pure Vaithika rituals) differ=
ent from Mantra
<BR>> Shastras<BR>> > > (people ex=
plain that mantra
shastra does not originate from the <BR>> vedas,<BR>&=
gt; >
> but classified under tantra). Did Mantra shastra=
s not originate <BR>>
from vedas?<BR>> > <BR>> > =
;
*
* &n=
bsp; *<BR>> > <BR>>
> When people say =
what is in Veda and what is not, honestly I can
<BR>> only laugh. They =
are only fooling themselves. Reciting Veda with
<BR>> perfect swara or =
mastering a celebrated commentary does not help one
<BR>> understand Ve=
da. In fact, understanding each single verse in Veda
<BR>> requires gre=
at tapascharya. Understanding a verse in Veda is neither
<BR>> possible=
with energy flowing in Ida nadi (intuition) nor in Pingala
<BR>> nadi =
(logic and analysis). It is possible only with energy flowing in
<BR>> =
Sushumna nadi. It is possible with neither intuition nor logic, but
<BR>&g=
t; only with *revelation* and simply, for the lack of a better <BR>>
ex=
pression, direct knowledge.<BR>> > <BR>> > When one=
meditates long enough on a verse, the verse may simply <BR>> be reveal=
ed to
the yogi. THAT is the only way to understand a Vedic <BR>> verse.=
For most
people, it is not possible to decipher even a single <BR>> ve=
rse in an entire
life, let alone a passage.<BR>> > <BR>> >&nbs=
p; Bottomoline
is: Almost nobody understands Veda today. What are <B=
R>> considered "pure
vaidika rituals" are merely another variety of <BR=
>> rituals created by
someone at some point of time. From the point of =
<BR>> view of authenticity
as granted by Veda, there is no difference <=
BR>> between them and other
aagamic rituals, though people ignorantly <=
BR>> believe otherwise.<BR>>
> <BR>> > * &=
nbsp;
* &=
nbsp; *<BR>> > <BR>>
> A simple analogy may help c=
larify a lot of things related to
this <BR>> complicated issue a little=
. What the thing in the analogy
represents <BR>> is shown here and ther=
e in square brackets [].<BR>> >
<BR>> > Once there=
were many people who lived near the sea
<BR>> [Brahman/Aatman]. They r=
egularly sat by the sea and enjoyed the sight
<BR>> and sound of the se=
a [experienced Brahman]. They described the sea in
<BR>> some nice cryp=
tic poems [Veda].<BR>> > <BR>> >
As people started=
living a little away from the sea [less <BR>> spiritually
evolved], so=
meone had to put together some instructions <BR>> on how to reach
the s=
ea. He said, "keep walking towards east" and the <BR>> instructions grew=
with time. People faithfully followed the <BR>> instructions

[rituals=
].<BR>> > <BR>> > People started moving further
an=
d further inland and started <BR>> living in a landlocked desert far awa=
y
from the sea. This generation <BR>> had never seen a pool of water li=
ke a
lake, let alone a sea. They <BR>> faithfully performed the ritual =
of walking
towards east, but did not <BR>> find sea. They debated endle=
ssly whether one
had to walk one mile or <BR>> two miles or three miles=
and formed different
schools of thought. <BR>> Some walked their chose=
n distance, found a tree or
a building or some <BR>> interesting object=
and even became satisfied that
that was sea!<BR>> > <BR>> >&n=
bsp; Then came some great
person, whose instincts led him to take a =
<BR>> horse instead of walking and
ride it for a long distance [use of =
<BR>> other tools]. He did find the sea
after a few months. He put toge=
ther <BR>> newer instructions to reach the
sea, which included riding a=
horse <BR>> [new aagamas].<BR>> > <BR>>
> Peop=
le performing the old rituals objected to this and said
"but <BR>> then=
this horse thing is not granted by the book of sea. This is a
<BR>> ne=
w path and different from the "pure" sea ritual" ["pure" Vedic
<BR>> ri=
tual]. By now, people did not even understand what the cryptic
<BR>> po=
ems of the original "book of sea" mean, but they simply believed
<BR>> =
that those poems taught the old "pure" sea rituals that they were
<BR>>=
used to. They were blissfully unaware that the original instructions
<BR>=
> were meant for someone already close to sea and the newer <BR>>
in=
structions came from someone who actually saw the sea and knew <BR>> whe=
re
they currently lived and how to get to the sea from there!<BR>> >=
<BR>>
> Slowly many new sets of instructions involving =
horses, chariots
<BR>> etc were taught and many new paths to the sea we=
re outlined instead
<BR>> of just instructing people to walk towards ea=
st [evolution of <BR>>
mantra/tantra/yantras].<BR>> > <BR>> &g=
t; One particular
path through jungles was dangerous [aghora a=
nd <BR>> other dark tantric paths
involving practice of sex, meat, wine=
etc]. <BR>> Though the distance to sea
was much shorter through that j=
ungle, it <BR>> was just too dangerous and
only the bravest and stronge=
st could make <BR>> it. There were cruel dacoits
and wild animals [chan=
ce of a fall in a <BR>> risky ritual] and many weak
people travelling t=
o sea via that path <BR>> were killed. A wise man who knew
the entire t=
erritory well came <BR>> forward, condemned that path and
discouraged p=
eople from trying that <BR>> path. Since then, even people who
were str=
ong enough to successfully <BR>> make it in that path desisted from
it.=
<BR>> > <BR>> > As time progressed, people started =
fighting too much about whose <BR>> path was superior. They were foolis=
h, not
smart enough to adopt the <BR>> original instructions, of either=
the
so-called "pure" sea path or the <BR>> so-called "new" path or oth=
er
variations, for the changed geography <BR>> and changed times. Many =
followed
the instructions blindly, hit <BR>> roadblocks and did not rea=
ch sea. Many
did not even know <BR>> that "reaching the sea" was the ac=
tual goal of all
their joirneys. <BR>> They only thought they were supp=
osed to follow the
instructions <BR>> faithfully and there was no need =
to adopt to the changed
geographical <BR>> territory and time. They eve=
n condemned those who actually
went to <BR>> sea, came back and gave up=
dated directions for their place and
time, <BR>> for violating traditio=
n.<BR>> > <BR>> >
* &=
nbsp;
* *<BR>> > <BR=
>>
> In case the analogy is not clear, here is a brief s=
ummary of
its <BR>> points. Veda is about realizing self. Veda describe=
s various
aspects <BR>> of the state of self-realization. That is why i=
t is considered
the <BR>> highest knowledge. Other allied subjects thro=
w some light on
possible <BR>> ways to reach that state. While definiti=
ve statements can be
made on <BR>> the actual state of self-realization=
itself, no definitive
statements <BR>> can be made on how to reach it.=
The path depends on one's
current <BR>> position!<BR>> > <BR>>=
; > Great men in
many spiritual paths, within Hinduism as w=
ell as <BR>> outside of it, came,
experienced that state, understood th=
e current <BR>> state of people around
them and gave specific instructi=
ons on how to <BR>> r
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Namaste Jyothi ji,
> Now, I would like to reply to the 3rd comment of you=

rs:
> "(3) Actually, more than others, feel sorry for yourself. Who are we =
..
> to worry about others? They, their god and their gurus will feel
> so=
rry for them and do something about them. Apne ko kya lena dena? We
> are =
first responsible for ourselves. When one cannot change self and
> focus a=
ttention on god fully within oneself, what is the point in
> lamenting abo=
ut the spirituality or lack of it in other people? ..."
>
> Here you made =
me feel as if I did a mistake in responding to my
> cousin as well as aski=
ng you the questions. I might be wrong in both.
> But what I feel is thoug=
h it might be irritating and meaningless to
> answer the queries of an agn=
ostic; we cannot override the chance of
> us being instrumental in their p=
ath to know the truth.
I didn't mean to make you feel bad or to suggest t=

hat one should not try to help others and focus on oneself. If I thought so=
, I would not be doing so many things I do, like replying to mails, putting=
together homam manuals etc. My comment 3 came after the first 2. I was jus=
t trying to bring in another angle after the first two.
One cannot stop f=

ocussing inwards and correcting oneself ever. Even a yogi who is able to ch=
ange the spiritual lives of millions cannot drop guard and has to be lookin=
g inwards. That was my point.
It is good to help others and try to be "in=

strumental in their path to know the truth". However, after engaging in act=
ion that one's judgment says one should engage in, one should earnestly sur=
render the doership to the Lord and move on. It is not worthwhile to cling =
on to the ownership of too many actions for too long as people normally do.=
In fact, it is a big problem. People don't realize it. One getting used to=
cancer and living with it for 50 years may forget how it is to live withou=
t that disease. Similarly, a being used to living with this cancer (of pers=
istent mental ownership of many many many actions) for many lives may forge=
t how it is to live without that disease!
After all rituals like pooja an=

d homam, we do say "sarvam sree krishnaarpanamastu". Though people say it w=
ithout understanding, it means that you surrender the action finished just =
now to Krishna. After that, you are not the owner. You should really feel t=
hat way.
One can adopt that attitude to everything in life, do the action=

as perfectly as one can and then surrender the doership to the Lord. Unfor=
tunately, many people do good things and cling on to the ownership within t=
heir mind for too long. This causes many problems and also binds one. Pride=
that they did something good or sadness that they missed something or happ=
iness that a good result came from that action or sadness that the intended=
result did not happen start eating one's mind later on and stop the mind f=
rom acting optimally on *future actions*. If one truly surrenders the owner=
ship of every action after the action finishes, one forms a distance betwee=
n oneself and the results that the actions may bring later on. That distanc=
e is really needed for a stable and blissful state of mind and optimum outp=
ut from one's mind.
> I remember reading in Scott Peck's book -The Roads =

Less Travelled,
> that to lose ones ego and to realize oneself, an ego mus=
t be present
> in the first place. I liked that statement very much becaus=
e it is
> from his book that I am first reading a statement in that line o=
f
> thought. Everywhere people condemn ego and speak of losing ego as the =
> way to realize God. But nobody has ever said that an ego is necessary
>=
to lose it.
Quite honestly, ego IS present in all beings by default, inc=

luding the lowest beings like amoeba and bacteria. A discussion of the nece=
ssity of ego to be present is superfluous, as ego IS present anyway in all =
beings. By the way, ego in our literature does not mean "egotism" or self-i=
mportance or pride (which are the meaning in which the word is used these d=
ays). Ego simply means self-consciousness and self-awareness. They are alwa=
ys there in all beings and it is an uphill climb to lose them by introspect=
ing each thought, word and action of oneself.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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--- In soham=
sa@yahoogroups.com, "jyothi_b_lakshmi" <jyothi_b_lakshmi@...> wrote:
>
> Re=
spected Narasimhji,
>
> First of all let me thank you for spending some ti=
me to reply to my
> questions.
>
> I specifically liked the below comment=
s of yours:
> "A mind is a mind is a mind. Mind creates the world, not nece=
ssarily
> a human mind. All minds can create a world. However, a human min=
d is
> more capable than other minds to break down that created world and =
> return to the source. THAT is the point."

>
> May be the world we perce=
ive now is the creation of human mind, and
> as you said, there may be man=
y other worlds created by many other
> minds other than that of humans and=
since we are not the creators we
> are unable to see/comprehend them.
> =
> "Your question is kind of an oxymoron. Can good aghoris become "well-
> =
known" and come to limelight? :-)"
>
> (I did not know the meaning of oxym=
oron. Had to look dictionary :((.
> Well, I understand your point. Aghoris=
cannot be well-known for
> obvious reasons. May be Aghoris know that peop=
le who are not as much
> evolved as them will not be able to understand th=
eir path and hence
> stay away from publicity.
>
> I am least intereste=
d in Vamamarga. I just had a curiosity to know if
> any body was successfu=
l in that path. (Your reference to Vamamarga
> and its dangers made me thi=
nk of the success rate of that path and if
> really such people existed. T=
hat's all. (Personally, I DO NOT want
> any Aghori to appear as my Guru, t=
hough I would wish a saint from
> Right hand path to appear before me IFF =
and when I am eligible (if
> not in this birth, in any future birth)!!. Th=
is is not biasing, just
> a personal taste.
>
> I enjoyed reading Aghora=
-Kundalini- so well written and genuine. But
> as you said, the other boo=
k on Left Hand Path by Swaboda was a kind
> of shock to me, initially. And=
it was good to know that such paths
> also existed. But after that it did=
n't affect me at all because I
> understood it is just another path. Why s=
hould I bother about how and
> why it is so when we have a more acceptable=
and beautiful path?
>
> Now, I would like to reply to the 3rd comment o=
f yours:
> "(3) Actually, more than others, feel sorry for yourself. Who ar=
e we
> to worry about others? They, their god and their gurus will feel
>=
sorry for them and do something about them. Apne ko kya lena dena? We
> a=
re first responsible for ourselves. When one cannot change self and
> focu=
s attention on god fully within oneself, what is the point in
> lamenting =
about the spirituality or lack of it in other people? So,
> we should all =
try to look inward and take a critical look at
> ourselves, given that we =
got a very very very valuable life as a
> human being."
>
> Here you made=
me feel as if I did a mistake in responding to my
> cousin as well as ask=
ing you the questions. I might be wrong in both.
> But what I feel is thou=
gh it might be irritating and meaningless to
> answer the queries of an ag=
nostic; we cannot override the chance of
> us being instrumental in their =
path to know the truth. Every person,
> who has a quest to find the truth,=
be it spiritually or
> scientifically (as my cousin who says he will try =
to solve the
> mystery of life in a scientific way) will have to under go =
a lot of
> conflicts at the initial stages. Since we are all accustomed to=
find
> answers through reasoning, everybody initially starts thinking
> =
logically to get an answer which ultimately leads to a dead end. Once
> th=
at way ends, one starts looking within, and after a lot of practice
> fina=
lly realizes that what logic couldn't find, could be found by
> practice o=
f concentrating within. This realization that nobody can
> answer ones que=
stions, but only oneself, is achieved after a lot of
> queries which may b=
e directed to oneself and to many. To my cousin, I
> may be a part of that=
`many'. It is not that I worry about others
> spirituality, but I feel, j=
ust as many people acted as catalyst in my
> spiritual journey, I too migh=
t act a as a catalyst, to others, even
> if I don't have anything worthwhi=
le to share, and even if I might not
> be aware of my role. My inability t=
o answer his question might be one
> reason that will catalyze his thought=
s further to know more about
> other ways and may be, he will ultimately r=
ealize the truth. But till
> then, the path and people on that path are im=
portant. I am saying
> this from my experience, when I was tortured by man=
y spiritual quests
> and many people's answers (be it satisfactory or unsa=
tisfactory)
> helped me to advance. So I feel it might be the same with ot=
hers.
>
> I remember reading in Scott Peck's book -The Roads Less Travell=
ed,
> that to lose ones ego and to realize oneself, an ego must be present=
> in the first place. I liked that statement very much because it is
> f=
rom his book that I am first reading a statement in that line of
> thought=
. Everywhere people condemn ego and speak of losing ego as the
> way to re=
alize God. But nobody has ever said that an ego is necessary
> to lose it.=
Nobody ever spoke of the `necessity' and importance of
> ego to realize G=
od. Scott Peck made it very clear that if not having
> an ego is a sign of=
realization, then all children should be self-
> realized yogis, but in fa=
ct they are not. They become yogis when they
> develop an ego and then los=
e it. May be this is the way Divine Mother
> wants it to happen. Someway, =
I liked what Scott Peck said.
>
>
> With Respects,
> Jyothi
>
> --- In =
sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Na=
maste Jyothi ji,
> >
> > > Secondly, can you please help me with a questi=
on? ..snip..
> > > He was asking me if yoga, be it jnana yoga, bhakti yoga =
> > > or any one, is the only way to attain moksha/realisation, then
> wh=
at
> > > will other living organisms like ameoba, bacteria and all will do=
> to
> > > attain moksha? Arent they also living organisms?
> > > ..sni=
p.. He said, if what I am saying is correct, only human
> beings
> > > wi=
ll be evolved and other organisms will never attain moksha. I
> was
> > >=
breathless for a moment and did not know how to answer him. I
> really
>=
> > felt sad (and ashamed, because I thought I could answer all
> questio=
ns
> > > related to the mystery of life) that I couldnt answer
> him. ..s=
nip..
> >
> > Well, sadhana (effort) is what a being does. Phala (fruits)=
are
> decided by the Lord. If God wants, a bacteria can get moksha too.
=
> However, *usually* god has some rules of action and reaction to
> uphold=
and hence does not act out of order. So the chance of a
> baterium to get=
moksha is negligible (except at the end of this
> creation cycle).
> >
=
> > It is indeed true that amoeba or bacteria have very very small
> chanc=
e of moksha in THAT life. However, nobody stops them from doing
> some goo=
d karma (possibly by *chance*), get a higher birth and
> eventually be bor=
n as a human and do some sadhana.
> >
> > When I wrote "by chance", it ma=
y make some uncomfortable. But that
> is the fact. Whatever action we perf=
orm with a sense of *I-ness*
> behind that action becomes a karma (action)=
and an equal and opposite
> phala (fruit/reaction) will come. Suppose one=
donates one's eyes and
> feels good about the noble act and the person ge=
tting the eyes uses
> the newly gotten vision to look at some beautiful wo=
men, be tempted
> and rape them, the donor will get part of that karma! Th=
e laws of
> karma are complex. Thinking like "this is a noble karma. So it=
is
> good only" is incorrect. Each action results in a series of
> devel=
opments and begets some karma for the person. Of course, if an
> act is wi=
th committed with ego but not an intention to affect a
> particular develo=
pment, the part of the karma begotten from that
> development is smaller (=
than it would be if that development was
> intended). Thus, even bacteria =
and amoeba can beget karma from the
> results of their actions. But it is =
very small and accumulates
> slowly. Highly taamasik beings such as trees,=
amoeba and bacteria
> take a looooong time to make progress on the ladder=
of kaarmik
> evolution.
> >
> > I want to make three comments:
> >
> =
> (1) One need not feel sorry for the amoeba and bacteria because
> they a=
re mostly a long way from moksha. Not all beings need to get
> moksha righ=
t away. If that is needed, god did not need to create this
> world. If the=
re is unmanifested Brahman and nothing else in this
> universe, that will =
solve all problems. But the fact is that
> manifested Brahman with infinit=
e objects at varying levels of karmic
> evolution is not really a problem!=
That is exactly what is needed for
> the Lila to unfold.
> >
> > (2) If=
you want to feel sorry, feel sorry not for amoeba and
> bacteria, but for=
those who got the valuable human birth and yet act
> like amoeba and bact=
eria spiritually. Pity those who are stuck in the
> cycle of happiness and=
sadness, elation and depression, hopes and
> despairs etc, without realiz=
ing that the play will end soon and what
> birth one will get next is unce=
rtain!!
> >
> > (3) Actually, more than others, feel sorry for yourself. =
Who are we
> to worry about others? They, their god and their gurus will f=
eel
> sorry for them and do something about them. Apne ko kya lena dena? W=
e
> are first responsible for ourselves. When one cannot change self and
=
> focus attention on god fully within oneself, what is the point in
> lame=
nting about the spirituality or lack of it in other people? So,
> we shoul=
d all try to look inward and take a critical look at
> ourselves, given th=
at we got a very very very valuable life as a
> human being.
> >
> > > H=
is question gave me a sleepless night. I thought a lot about it.
> If
> >=
> the whole world as a maya exist only in human's mind (as per my
> > > u=
nderstanding, our mind creates this world, when through yoga,
> > > mind/e=
go collapse happens, there is no world or anything and we
> > > submerge a=
s oneness in the omnipotent power), if it is a creation
> of
> > > mind, =
then there should not be any world when the human species
> is
> > > exti=
nct. Right?
> >
> > A mind is a mind is a mind. Mind creates the world, =
not necessarily
> a human mind. All minds can create a world. However, a h=
uman mind is
> more capable than other minds to break down that created wo=
rld and
> return to the source. THAT is the point.
> >
> > > (I am askin=
g you because, you were instrumental (though
> unknowingly)
> > > in open=
ing the wide horizon of spiritual knowledge to me years
> back
> > > thro=
ugh just one reply to one of my questions related to
> Kundalini. I
> > >=
am always indebted to you for that and now I realise how stupid
> my
> >=
> >
> > I am glad to know that. I am ac=
tually a fool who does not know much
> and cannot help anyone. But the ble=
ssings of my gurus may work
> through me sometimes and benefit some.
> > =
> > > First:

> > > I would like to know if you have heard of any vamachar=
is in India
> who
> > > followed Vama Marga successfully and realised God=
. All true
> saints I
> > > have heard are followers of the Satwik path/r=
ight hand tantra. So
> > > always wonder, did any body succeed in the othe=
r way? Anybody who
> was
> > > well-known as a Vamamarga saint?
> >
> >=
Your question is kind of an oxymoron. Can good aghoris become "well-
> kno=
wn" and come to limelight? :-)
> >
> > I know one masterly aghori reasona=
bly well. However, he is not
> restricted to one path. All paths are his o=
wn and he does not
> distinguish. He does aghora sadhanas in smashana and =
also Vedic
> sadhanas like Vedic homas with the same attitude. He chants V=
edic
> mantras too. For example, when he chants Sri Rudram, it produces
>=
amazing energy all around. He is a bhakti yogi too. When he thinks of
> K=
rishna, he melts in devotion. When he discusses upanishads and other
> Ved=
anta texts such as Yoga Vaasishtham and BhagavadGita, his keen
> intellect=
shines forth like a Sun and illuminates the thinking of a
> ready audienc=
e. I have never seen anyone who has such a perfect
> understanding of the =
essence of Upanishads and exudes it in thoughts,
> words and actions. He h=
as wife and children, has a full-time job and
> engages in several externa=
l activities and is never idle. But his
> level of detachment with the wor=
k he does so expertly is far higher
> than even ascetics who renounce ever=
ything and *try* to develop some
> detachment.
> >
> > Bottomline is tha=
t he is an aghori, but he is also a jnaana yogi,
> bhakti yogi, karma yogi=
and raaja yogi. He is a vaidika and he is an
> aghori. All paths are his =
and he views all the same way. I don't know
> if all really good aghoris a=
re like that or just he.
> >
> > In any case, it is irrelevant to you if =
any aghori succeeded or
> not. If YOU are meant to succeed in aghota, you =
will. If not, you
> will not. To be safe, until the right time and right p=
erson comes,
> one should not venture into aghora. I want people to apprec=
iate
> different things for what they are and not have unhealthy biases, b=
ut
> it does not mean everybody should try everything. Nuclear engineers
=
> hating politicians, politicians hating lawyers and lawyers hating
> doct=
ors is bad. But one should become what one is supposed to!
> >
> > > A fe=
w years back, I had read AGHORA -Kundalini by Robert Svoboda.
> In
> > > =
that book one Aghori Vimalananda is mentioned. But except in that
> > > bo=
ok, I couldnt find any references to this person anywhere. Not
> even
> >=
> in net. (The only references were the ones related to Robert
> > > Swab=
oda's book and as his Guru).
> >
> > Well, he guarded his privacy and =
made sure that the books came out
> only after he left the body. Moreover,=
his real name was not that.
> Also, he led his spiritual life in relative=
seclusion and not many
> knew him. No wonder you can't find info on him.
=
> >
> > Bottomline is: Whether he is real or not, one can benefit from
>=
teachings attributed to him. The knowledge present in the aghora
> series=
of books is nothing short of amazing. It may shock you, but it
> can chan=
ge your thinking from inside out and give you a clearer
> understanding. V=
imalananda not only managed to impart great
> understanding to Svoboda, bu=
t also ensure that Mother Taaraa Herself
> would speak through Svoboda and=
the knowledge would come out perfect.
> Other books authored by Svoboda m=
ay not have the same brilliance, but
> those books came out just as Vimala=
nanda intended.
> >
> > There are many things in the book which could not=
have come from a
> normal person. They came from someone who had a perfec=
t, steady and
> unwavering understanding of the absolute truth.
> >
> > =
BTW, you cannot meet a good and genuine aghori unless there is a
> rina an=
d *he* wants you to meet him.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Narasimha
> > ---=
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> > Do Pitri Tarpa=
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> > ------------------------------------------------------=
------------
> >
> > --- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "jyothi_b_lakshmi" =
> <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote:

> > >
> > > Namaste Narasimhji,
> > >
> > > =
> > > Enjoyed reading both your mails. This reminds me of a koan riddle:
>=
> >
> > > A MASTER was asked the question, "What is the Way?" by a curiou=
s
> > > monk.
> > > "It is right before your eyes," said the master.
> > > =
Monk: "Why do I not see it for myself?"
> > > Master: "Because you are thin=
king of yourself."
> > > Monk: "What about you? Do you see it?"
> > > Maste=
r: "So long as you see double, saying I don't and you do,
> and so
> > > =
on, your eyes are clouded,"
> > > Monk: "When there is neither 'I' nor 'You=
' can one see it?"
> > > Master: "When there is neither 'I' nor 'You,' who =
is the one that
> > > wants to see it?"
> > >
> > > Can I request two fav=
ours from you?
> > >
> > > First:
> > > I would like to know if you have =
heard of any vamacharis in India
> who
> > > followed Vama Marga successf=
ully and realised God. All true
> saints I
> > > have heard are followers=
of the Satwik path/right hand tantra. So
> > > always wonder, did any bod=
y succeed in the other way? Anybody who
> was
> > > well-known as a Vamam=
arga saint?
> > >
> > > A few years back, I had read AGHORA -Kundalini by =
Robert Svoboda.
> In
> > > that book one Aghori Vimalananda is mentioned.=
But except in that
> > > book, I couldnt find any references to this pers=
on anywhere. Not
> even
> > > in net. (The only references were the ones =
related to Robert
> > > Swaboda's book and as his Guru).
> > >
> > > S=
econdly, can you please help me with a question?
> > > A week back, I was e=
laborating about realisation and yoga,
> meditation
> > > and all such to=
one of my cousins who did not actually understand
> all
> > > what I sai=
d. He was asking me if yoga, be it jnana yoga, bhakti
> yoga
> > > or any=
one, is the only way to attain moksha/realisation, then
> what
> > > wil=
l other living organisms like ameoba, bacteria and all will do
> to
> > >=
attain moksha? Arent they also living organisms? (He has done his
> > > r=
esearch in Bio Informatics, hence his priority to bacteria and
> > > ameob=
a). He said, if what I am saying is correct, only human
> beings
> > > wi=
ll be evolved and other organisms will never attain moksha. I
> was
> > >=
breathless for a moment and did not know how to answer him. I
> really
>=
> > felt sad (and ashamed, because I thought I could answer all
> questio=
ns
> > > related to the mystery of life) that I couldnt answer him. His
>=
> > question seemed stupid, but when I thought of it, isnt that a
> valid=
> > > question?

> > >
> > > His question gave me a sleepless night. I th=
ought a lot about it.
> If
> > > the whole world as a maya exist only in =
human's mind (as per my
> > > understanding, our mind creates this world, =
when through yoga,
> > > mind/ego collapse happens, there is no world or a=
nything and we
> > > submerge as oneness in the omnipotent power), if it i=
s a creation
> of
> > > mind, then there should not be any world when the=
human species
> is
> > > extinct. Right?
> > >
> > > I dont know if I =
have convey my doubt clearly.
> > >
> > > Would you be able to share you=
r knowledge on this?
> > >
> > > (I am asking you because, you were instr=
umental (though
> unknowingly)
> > > in opening the wide horizon of spiri=
tual knowledge to me years
> back
> > > through just one reply to one of =
my questions related to
> Kundalini. I
> > > am always indebted to you fo=
r that and now I realise how stupid
> my
> > > questions were at that tim=
e.)
> > >
> > > With Respects,
> > > Jyothi
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Jyothi ji,</FONT></DIV>
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Now, I would like to reply to the =
3rd comment
of yours:<BR>> "(3) Actually, more than others, feel sorry =
for yourself. Who
are we ..</FONT></DIV>
> to worry about others? They, their god and
their gurus will feel <BR>=
> sorry for them and do something about them. Apne
ko kya lena dena? We=
<BR>> are first responsible for ourselves. When one
cannot change self=
and <BR>> focus attention on god fully within oneself,
what is the poi=
nt in <BR>> lamenting about the spirituality or lack of it in
other peo=
ple? ..."<BR>> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Here =
you made me feel as if I did a mistake in
responding to my <BR>> cousin=
as well as asking you the questions. I might be
wrong in both. <BR>> B=
ut what I feel is though it might be irritating and
meaningless to <BR>>=
; answer the queries of an agnostic; we cannot override
the chance of <BR>=
> us being instrumental in their path to know the
truth.</FONT><BR><FON=
2>I didn't mean to make you feel bad or to suggest
that one should not try=
to help others and focus on oneself. If I thought so, I
would not be doin=
g so many things I do, like replying to mails, putting together
homam manu=
als etc. </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My comment 3 came after the
fi=
rst 2. I was just trying to bring in another angle after the first
two.</F=
ONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2>One cannot stop focussing inwards and correcting
one=
self ever. Even a yogi who is able to change the spiritual lives of million=
s
cannot drop guard and has to be looking inwards. That was my point.</FON=
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
ce=3DArial size=3D2>It is good to help others and try to be
"instrumental =
in their path to know the truth". However, after engaging in
action that o=
ne's judgment says one should engage in, one should earnestly
surrender th=
e doership to the Lord and move on. It is not worthwhile to cling on
to th=
e ownership of too many actions for too long as people normally do. In
fac=
t, it is a big problem. People don't realize it. One getting used to cancer=
and living with it for 50 years may forget how it is to live without=

that
disease. Similarly, a being used to living with this cancer (of pers=
istent
mental ownership of many many many actions) for many lives may forg=
et how it is
to live without that disease!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>After a=
ll rituals like pooja and homam, we do
say "sarvam sree krishnaarpana=
mastu". Though people say it without
understanding, it means that you=
surrender the action finished just now to
Krishna. After that, you are no=
t the owner. You should really feel that
way.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One =
can adopt that attitude to everything in life,
do the action as perfectly =
as one can and then surrender the doership to the
Lord. Unfortunately, man=
y people do good things and cling on to the ownership
within their mind fo=
r too long. This causes many problems and also binds one.
Pride that they =
did something good or sadness that they missed something or
happiness that=
a good result came from that action or sadness that the intended
result d=
id not happen start eating one's mind later on and stop the mind from
acti=
ng optimally on *future actions*. If one truly surrenders the ownership of =
every action after the action finishes, one forms a distance between onese=
lf and
the results that the actions may bring later on. That distance is r=
eally needed
for a stable and blissful state of mind and optimum output fr=
om one's
mind.</FONT></DIV>
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> I remember reading in Scott Pe=
ck's book -The
Roads Less Travelled, <BR>> that to lose ones ego and to=
realize oneself, an
ego must be present <BR>> in the first place. I li=
ked that statement very
much because it is <BR>> from his book that I a=
m first reading a statement in
that line of <BR>> thought. Everywhere p=
eople condemn ego and speak of losing
ego as the <BR>> way to realize G=
od. But nobody has ever said that an ego is
necessary <BR>> to lose it.=
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FO=
NT face=3DArial size=3D2>Quite honestly, e</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D=
2>go
IS present in all beings by default, including the lowest beings like=
amoeba and
bacteria. A discussion of the necessity of ego to be present i=
s superfluous, as
ego IS present anyway in all beings. By the way, ego in =
our literature does not
mean "egotism" or self-importance or pride (w=
hich are the meaning in which
the word is used these days). Ego simply mea=
ns self-consciousness and
self-awareness. They are always there in all bei=
ngs and it is an uphill
climb to lose them by introspecting each thou=
ght, word and action of
oneself.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><=
FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>--- In <A
href=3D"mailto:sohamsa@...=
m">sohamsa@yahoogroups.com</A>,
"jyothi_b_lakshmi" <jyothi_b_lakshmi@..=
.> wrote:<BR>><BR>> Respected
Narasimhji,<BR>> <BR>> First =
of all let me thank you for spending some
time to reply to my <BR>> que=
stions.<BR>> <BR>> I specifically liked
the below comments of yours:=
<BR>> "A mind is a mind is a mind. Mind creates
the world, not necessar=
ily <BR>> a human mind. All minds can create a world.
However, a human =
mind is <BR>> more capable than other minds to break down
that created =
world and <BR>> return to the source. THAT is the
point."<BR>> <BR>&=
gt; May be the world we perceive now is the creation of
human mind, and <B=
R>> as you said, there may be many other worlds created by
many other <=
BR>> minds other than that of humans and since we are not the
creators =
we <BR>> are unable to see/comprehend them. <BR>> <BR>> "Your
que=
stion is kind of an oxymoron. Can good aghoris become "well-<BR>> known"=
and come to limelight? :-)"<BR>> <BR>> (I did not know the meaning =
of
oxymoron. Had to look dictionary :((. <BR>> Well, I understand your =
point.
Aghoris cannot be well-known for <BR>> obvious reasons. May be A=
ghoris know
that people who are not as much <BR>> evolved as them will =
not be able to
understand their path and hence <BR>> stay away from pub=
licity.
<BR>> <BR>> I am least interested in Vamamarga. I just=
had a curiosity to
know if <BR>> any body was successful in that path.=
(Your reference to
Vamamarga <BR>> and its dangers made me think of th=
e success rate of that
path and if <BR>> really such people existed. Th=
at's all. (Personally, I DO
NOT want <BR>> any Aghori to appear as my G=
uru, though I would wish a saint
from <BR>> Right hand path to appear b=
efore me IFF and when I am eligible (if
<BR>> not in this birth, in any=
future birth)!!. This is not biasing, just
<BR>> a personal taste. <BR=
>> <BR>> I enjoyed reading Aghora
=96Kundalini- so well written and =
genuine. But <BR>> as you said, the other
book on Left Hand Path by Swa=
boda was a kind <BR>> of shock to me, initially.
And it was good to kno=
w that such paths <BR>> also existed. But after that it
didn't affect m=
e at all because I <BR>> understood it is just another path.
Why should=
I bother about how and <BR>> why it is so when we have a more
acceptab=
le and beautiful path? <BR>> <BR>> Now, I would like to
reply =
to the 3rd comment of yours:<BR>> "(3) Actually, more than others, feel =
sorry for yourself. Who are we <BR>> to worry about others? They, their=
god
and their gurus will feel <BR>> sorry for them and do something ab=
out them.
Apne ko kya lena dena? We <BR>> are first responsible for our=
selves. When one
cannot change self and <BR>> focus attention on god fu=
lly within oneself,
what is the point in <BR>> lamenting about the spir=
ituality or lack of it in
other people? So, <BR>> we should all try to =
look inward and take a critical
look at <BR>> ourselves, given that we =
got a very very very valuable life as
a <BR>> human being."<BR>> <BR=
>> Here you made me feel as if I did a
mistake in responding to my <BR>=
> cousin as well as asking you the questions.
I might be wrong in both.=
<BR>> But what I feel is though it might be
irritating and meaningless=
to <BR>> answer the queries of an agnostic; we
cannot override the cha=
nce of <BR>> us being instrumental in their path to
know the truth. Eve=
ry person, <BR>> who has a quest to find the truth, be it
spiritually o=
r <BR>> scientifically (as my cousin who says he will try to
solve the =
<BR>> mystery of life in a scientific way) will have to under go a
lot =
of <BR>> conflicts at the initial stages. Since we are all accustomed to=
find <BR>> answers through reasoning, everybody initially starts think=

ing
<BR>> logically to get an answer which ultimately leads to a dead e=
nd. Once
<BR>> that way ends, one starts looking within, and after a lo=
t of practice
<BR>> finally realizes that what logic couldn't find, cou=
ld be found by
<BR>> practice of concentrating within. This realization=
that nobody can
<BR>> answer ones questions, but only oneself, is achi=
eved after a lot of
<BR>> queries which may be directed to oneself and =
to many. To my cousin, I
<BR>> may be a part of that `many'. It is not =
that I worry about others
<BR>> spirituality, but I feel, just as many =
people acted as catalyst in my
<BR>> spiritual journey, I too might act=
a as a catalyst, to others, even
<BR>> if I don't have anything worthw=
hile to share, and even if I might not
<BR>> be aware of my role. My in=
ability to answer his question might be one
<BR>> reason that will cata=
lyze his thoughts further to know more about
<BR>> other ways and may b=
e, he will ultimately realize the truth. But till
<BR>> then, the path =
and people on that path are important. I am saying
<BR>> this from my e=
xperience, when I was tortured by many spiritual quests
<BR>> and many =
people's answers (be it satisfactory or unsatisfactory)
<BR>> helped me=
to advance. So I feel it might be the same with others.
<BR>> <BR>>=
I remember reading in Scott Peck's book -The Roads Less
Travelled, <BR>&g=
t; that to lose ones ego and to realize oneself, an ego must be
present <B=
R>> in the first place. I liked that statement very much because it
is =
<BR>> from his book that I am first reading a statement in that line of =
<BR>> thought. Everywhere people condemn ego and speak of losing ego as=
the
<BR>> way to realize God. But nobody has ever said that an ego is =
necessary
<BR>> to lose it. Nobody ever spoke of the `necessity' and im=
portance of
<BR>> ego to realize God. Scott Peck made it very clear tha=
t if not having
<BR>> an ego is a sign of realization, then all childre=
n should be
self-<BR>> realized yogis, but in fact they are not. They b=
ecome yogis when
they <BR>> develop an ego and then lose it. May be thi=
s is the way Divine
Mother <BR>> wants it to happen. Someway, I liked w=
hat Scott Peck said.
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> With Respects,<BR>> Jyo=
thi<BR>> <BR>> --- In
<A href=3D"mailto:sohamsa@yahoogroups.com">soh=
amsa@yahoogroups.com</A>, "Narasimha
P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@> <BR>> wro=
te:<BR>> ><BR>> > Namaste
Jyothi ji,<BR>> > <BR>&g=
t; > > Secondly, can you please help
me with a question? ..snip..<BR=
>> > > He was asking me if yoga, be it
jnana yoga, bhakti yoga <B=
R>> > > or any one, is the only way to attain
moksha/realisation,=
then <BR>> what <BR>> > > will other living
organisms like am=
eoba, bacteria and all will do <BR>> to <BR>> > >
attain moksh=
a? Arent they also living organisms? <BR>> > > ..snip.. He
said, =
if what I am saying is correct, only human <BR>> beings <BR>> >
&=
gt; will be evolved and other organisms will never attain moksha. I <BR>>=
;
was <BR>> > > breathless for a moment and did not know how to a=
nswer
him. I <BR>> really <BR>> > > felt sad (and ashamed, bec=
ause I
thought I could answer all <BR>> questions <BR>> > > re=
lated to the
mystery of life) that I couldnt answer <BR>> him. ..snip..=
<BR>> >
<BR>> > Well, sadhana (effort) is what a being d=
oes. Phala (fruits) are
<BR>> decided by the Lord. If God wants, a bact=
eria can get moksha too.
<BR>> However, *usually* god has some rules of=
action and reaction to
<BR>> uphold and hence does not act out of orde=
r. So the chance of a <BR>>
baterium to get moksha is negligible (excep=
t at the end of this <BR>>
creation cycle).<BR>> > <BR>>=
> It is indeed true that amoeba
or bacteria have very very small <BR>&=
gt; chance of moksha in THAT life.
However, nobody stops them from doing <=
BR>> some good karma (possibly by
*chance*), get a higher birth and <BR=
>> eventually be born as a human and do
some sadhana.<BR>> > =
; <BR>> > When I wrote "by chance", it may
make some uncomfortable. =
But that <BR>> is the fact. Whatever action we
perform with a sense of =
*I-ness* <BR>> behind that action becomes a karma
(action) and an equal=
and opposite <BR>> phala (fruit/reaction) will come.
Suppose one donat=
es one's eyes and <BR>> feels good about the noble act and
the person g=
etting the eyes uses <BR>> the newly gotten vision to look at
some beau=
tiful women, be tempted <BR>> and rape them, the donor will get part
of=
that karma! The laws of <BR>> karma are complex. Thinking like "this is=
a
noble karma. So it is <BR>> good only" is incorrect. Each action res=
ults in a
series of <BR>> developments and begets some karma for the pe=
rson. Of course,
if an <BR>> act is with committed with ego but not an =
intention to affect a
<BR>> particular development, the part of the kar=
ma begotten from that
<BR>> development is smaller (than it would be if=
that development was
<BR>> intended). Thus, even bacteria and amoeba c=
an beget karma from the
<BR>> results of their actions. But it is very =
small and accumulates <BR>>
slowly. Highly taamasik beings such as tree=
s, amoeba and bacteria <BR>> take
a looooong time to make progress on t=
he ladder of kaarmik <BR>>
evolution.<BR>> > <BR>> > =
I want to make three
comments:<BR>> > <BR>> > (1) One ne=
ed not feel sorry for the
amoeba and bacteria because <BR>> they are mo=
stly a long way from moksha. Not
all beings need to get <BR>> moksha ri=
ght away. If that is needed, god did
not need to create this <BR>> worl=
d. If there is unmanifested Brahman and
nothing else in this <BR>> univ=
erse, that will solve all problems. But the
fact is that <BR>> manifest=
ed Brahman with infinite objects at varying levels
of karmic <BR>> evol=
ution is not really a problem! That is exactly what is
needed for <BR>>=
the Lila to unfold.<BR>> > <BR>> > (2) If
you want to f=
eel sorry, feel sorry not for amoeba and <BR>> bacteria, but for
those =
who got the valuable human birth and yet act <BR>> like amoeba and
bact=
eria spiritually. Pity those who are stuck in the <BR>> cycle of
happin=
ess and sadness, elation and depression, hopes and <BR>> despairs etc,
=
without realizing that the play will end soon and what <BR>> birth one w=
ill
get next is uncertain!!<BR>> > <BR>> > (3) Actually,=
more than
others, feel sorry for yourself. Who are we <BR>> to worry a=
bout others?
They, their god and their gurus will feel <BR>> sorry for =
them and do
something about them. Apne ko kya lena dena? We <BR>> are f=
irst responsible
for ourselves. When one cannot change self and <BR>> f=
ocus attention on god
fully within oneself, what is the point in <BR>> =
lamenting about the
spirituality or lack of it in other people? So, <BR>&g=
t; we should all try to
look inward and take a critical look at <BR>> o=
urselves, given that we got a
very very very valuable life as a <BR>> h=
uman being.<BR>> >
<BR>> > > His question gave me a s=
leepless night. I thought a lot about
it. <BR>> If <BR>> > > t=
he whole world as a maya exist only in
human's mind (as per my <BR>> &g=
t; > understanding, our mind creates this
world, when through yoga, <BR=
>> > > mind/ego collapse happens, there is
no world or anything a=
nd we <BR>> > > submerge as oneness in the
omnipotent power), if =
it is a creation <BR>> of <BR>> > > mind, then
there should no=
t be any world when the human species <BR>> is <BR>> >
> extin=
ct. Right? <BR>> > <BR>> > A mind is a mind is a
mind. M=
ind creates the world, not necessarily <BR>> a human mind. All minds
ca=
n create a world. However, a human mind is <BR>> more capable than other=
minds to break down that created world and <BR>> return to the source.=
THAT
is the point.<BR>> > <BR>> > > (I am asking you=
because,
you were instrumental (though <BR>> unknowingly) <BR>> >=
; > in
opening the wide horizon of spiritual knowledge to me years <BR>=
> back
<BR>> > > through just one reply to one of my questions=
related to
<BR>> Kundalini. I <BR>> > > am always indebted to=
you for that and
now I realise how stupid <BR>> my <BR>> > > =
questions were at that
time.) <BR>> > <BR>> > I am glad =
to know that. I am actually a
fool who does not know much <BR>> and can=
not help anyone. But the blessings
of my gurus may work <BR>> through m=
e sometimes and benefit some.<BR>>
> <BR>> > > First:=
<BR>> > > I would like to know if
you have heard of any vamachar=
is in India <BR>> who <BR>> > >
followed Vama Marga successful=
ly and realised God. All true <BR>> saints I
<BR>> > > have he=
ard are followers of the Satwik path/right hand
tantra. So <BR>> > &=
gt; always wonder, did any body succeed in the other
way? Anybody who <BR>=
> was <BR>> > > well-known as a Vamamarga
saint?<BR>> >&=
nbsp; <BR>> > Your question is kind of an oxymoron.
Can good aghoris=
become "well-<BR>> known" and come to limelight? :-)<BR>>
> =
; <BR>> > I know one masterly aghori reasonably well. However, he
is=
not <BR>> restricted to one path. All paths are his own and he does not=
<BR>> distinguish. He does aghora sadhanas in smashana and also Vedic =
<BR>> sadhanas like Vedic homas with the same attitude. He chants Vedic=
<BR>> mantras too. For example, when he chants Sri Rudram, it produces=
<BR>> amazing energy all around. He is a bhakti yogi too. When he thin=
ks of
<BR>> Krishna, he melts in devotion. When he discusses upanishads=
and other
<BR>> Vedanta texts such as Yoga Vaasishtham and BhagavadGit=
a, his keen
<BR>> intellect shines forth like a Sun and illuminates the=
thinking of a
<BR>> ready audience. I have never seen anyone who has s=
uch a perfect
<BR>> understanding of the essence of Upanishads and exud=
es it in thoughts,
<BR>> words and actions. He has wife and children, h=
as a full-time job and
<BR>> engages in several external activities and=
is never idle. But his
<BR>> level of detachment with the work he does=
so expertly is far higher
<BR>> than even ascetics who renounce everyt=
hing and *try* to develop some
<BR>> detachment.<BR>> > <BR=
>> > Bottomline is that he is
an aghori, but he is also a jnaana yog=
i, <BR>> bhakti yogi, karma yogi and
raaja yogi. He is a vaidika and he=
is an <BR>> aghori. All paths are his and
he views all the same way. I=
don't know <BR>> if all really good aghoris are
like that or just he.<=
BR>> > <BR>> > In any case, it is
irrelevant to you if a=
ny aghori succeeded or <BR>> not. If YOU are meant to
succeed in aghota=
, you will. If not, you <BR>> will not. To be safe, until
the right tim=
e and right person comes, <BR>> one should not venture into
aghora. I w=
ant people to appreciate <BR>> different things for what they are
and n=
ot have unhealthy biases, but <BR>> it does not mean everybody should
t=
ry everything. Nuclear engineers <BR>> hating politicians, politicians
=
hating lawyers and lawyers hating <BR>> doctors is bad. But one should b=
ecome
what one is supposed to!<BR>> > <BR>> > > A few=
years back,
I had read AGHORA -Kundalini by Robert Svoboda. <BR>> In <=
BR>> > >
that book one Aghori Vimalananda is mentioned. But excep=
t in that <BR>> >
> book, I couldnt find any references to this p=
erson anywhere. Not <BR>>
even <BR>> > > in net. (The only ref=
erences were the ones related to
Robert <BR>> > > Swaboda's book =
and as his Guru). <BR>>
> <BR>> > Well, he g=
uarded his privacy and made sure that the
books came out <BR>> only aft=
er he left the body. Moreover, his real name was
not that. <BR>> Also, =
he led his spiritual life in relative seclusion and not
many <BR>> knew=
him. No wonder you can't find info on him.<BR>> >
<BR>> &g=
t; Bottomline is: Whether he is real or not, one can benefit from
<BR>>=
teachings attributed to him. The knowledge present in the aghora
<BR>>=
series of books is nothing short of amazing. It may shock you, but it
<BR=
>> can change your thinking from inside out and give you a clearer
<BR>=
> understanding. Vimalananda not only managed to impart great <BR>>
=
understanding to Svoboda, but also ensure that Mother Taaraa Herself <BR>&g=
t;
would speak through Svoboda and the knowledge would come out perfect. <=
BR>>
Other books authored by Svoboda may not have the same brilliance, =
but <BR>>
those books came out just as Vimalananda intended.<BR>> &g=
t; <BR>>
> There are many things in the book which could not h=
ave come from a <BR>>
normal person. They came from someone who had a p=
erfect, steady and <BR>>
unwavering understanding of the absolute truth=
.<BR>> > <BR>> >
BTW, you cannot meet a good and genuine=
aghori unless there is a <BR>> rina
and *he* wants you to meet him.<BR=
>> > <BR>> > Best
regards,<BR>> > Narasimha<BR>>=
; >
------------------------------------------------------------------<=
BR>> >
oger.org/homam">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</A><BR>>
> Do P=
itri Tarpanas Yourself: <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana"=
>http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana</A><BR>>
> Spirituality: <A =
href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom">http://groups.yahoo.co=
m/group/vedic-wisdom</A><BR>>
href=
=3D"http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net">http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net<=
/A><BR>>
edicAstrologer.org">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org</A><BR>>
> Sri Ja=
://www.SriJagannath.org</A><BR>> >
---------------------------------=
--------------------------------- <BR>>
> <BR>> > --- In=
<A
href=3D"mailto:sohamsa@yahoogroups.com">sohamsa@yahoogroups.com</A>,
=
"jyothi_b_lakshmi" <BR>> <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote:<BR>> >
=
><BR>> > > Namaste Narasimhji,<BR>> > > <BR>> > =
>
<BR>> > > Enjoyed reading both your mails. This reminds me o=
f a koan
riddle:<BR>> > > <BR>> > > A MASTER was asked t=
he question,
"What is the Way?" by a curious<BR>> > > monk.<BR>&g=
t; > > "It is
right before your eyes," said the master.<BR>> >=
> Monk: "Why do I not
see it for myself?"<BR>> > > Master: "B=
ecause you are thinking of
yourself."<BR>> > > Monk: "What about =
you? Do you see it?"<BR>> >
> Master: "So long as you see double,=
saying I don't and you do, <BR>> and
so <BR>> > > on, your ey=
es are clouded,"<BR>> > > Monk: "When
there is neither 'I' nor 'Y=
ou' can one see it?"<BR>> > > Master: "When
there is neither 'I' =
nor 'You,' who is the one that <BR>> > > wants to
see it?"<BR>>=
; > > <BR>> > > Can I request two favours from
you?<BR>>=
> > <BR>> > > First: <BR>> > > I would like
to kn=
ow if you have heard of any vamacharis in India <BR>> who <BR>> > =
> followed Vama Marga successfully and realised God. All true <BR>> =
saints
I <BR>> > > have heard are followers of the Satwik path/ri=
ght hand
tantra. So <BR>> > > always wonder, did any body succeed=
in the other
way? Anybody who <BR>> was <BR>> > > well-known =
as a Vamamarga
saint?<BR>> > > <BR>> > > A few years bac=
k, I had read AGHORA
-Kundalini by Robert Svoboda. <BR>> In <BR>> &g=
t; > that book one
Aghori Vimalananda is mentioned. But except in that =
<BR>> > > book, I
couldnt find any references to this person anyw=
here. Not <BR>> even <BR>>
> > in net. (The only references we=
re the ones related to Robert <BR>>
> > Swaboda's book and as his=
Guru). <BR>> > >
<BR>> > > Secondly, can yo=
u please help me with a question?<BR>>
> > A week back, I was ela=
borating about realisation and yoga, <BR>>
meditation <BR>> > >=
; and all such to one of my cousins who did not
actually understand <BR>&g=
t; all <BR>> > > what I said. He was asking
me if yoga, be it jna=
na yoga, bhakti <BR>> yoga <BR>> > > or any
one, is the only w=
ay to attain moksha/realisation, then <BR>> what <BR>>
> > wil=
l other living organisms like ameoba, bacteria and all will do
<BR>> to=
<BR>> > > attain moksha? Arent they also living organisms?
(He h=
as done his <BR>> > > research in Bio Informatics, hence his
prio=
rity to bacteria and <BR>> > > ameoba). He said, if what I am
say=
ing is correct, only human <BR>> beings <BR>> > > will be evolv=
ed
and other organisms will never attain moksha. I <BR>> was <BR>> &=
gt; >
breathless for a moment and did not know how to answer him. I <BR=
>> really
<BR>> > > felt sad (and ashamed, because I thought I=
could answer all
<BR>> questions <BR>> > > related to the mys=
tery of life) that I
couldnt answer him. His <BR>> > > question s=
eemed stupid, but when I
thought of it, isnt that a <BR>> valid <BR>>=
; > > question?<BR>>
> > <BR>> > > His question ga=
ve me a sleepless night. I thought a
lot about it. <BR>> If <BR>> &g=
t; > the whole world as a maya exist
only in human's mind (as per my <B=
R>> > > understanding, our mind
creates this world, when through =
yoga, <BR>> > > mind/ego collapse
happens, there is no world or a=
nything and we <BR>> > > submerge as
oneness in the omnipotent po=
wer), if it is a creation <BR>> of <BR>> >
> mind, then there =
should not be any world when the human species <BR>> is
<BR>> > &=
gt; extinct. Right? <BR>> > > <BR>> > > I dont
know if I=
have convey my doubt clearly. <BR>> > > <BR>> >
>=
Would you be able to share your knowledge on this? <BR>> > >
<BR=
>> > > (I am asking you because, you were instrumental (though
<B=
R>> unknowingly) <BR>> > > in opening the wide horizon of
spir=
itual knowledge to me years <BR>> back <BR>> > > through just
=
one reply to one of my questions related to <BR>> Kundalini. I <BR>> =
>
> am always indebted to you for that and now I realise how stupid =
<BR>> my
<BR>> > > questions were at that time.) <BR>> >=
> <BR>>
> > With Respects,<BR>> > > Jyothi<BR></FONT=
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=A0
I kindly you to please write books on Vedic A=
strology & Vedic Wisdom. Your presentation of matter is excellent. Although=
I am not a Astrologer but became interested in it since 1.1/2 year & colle=
cted many books(whole volumes of B V Raman, Bhojraj dwivedi, KP, etc). Did =
not study any of them in detail. I happened to Purchase your book "Integrat=
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ao <pvr@...> wrote:

S=
ubject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Analogy: Veda, Aagama, Tantra, Aghora etc
To: so=
hamsa@yahoogroups.com, vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, sivacharya@yahoogroups=
.com
Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 6:47 AM
Namaste Jyothi ji,
=A0
>=
Now, I would like to reply to the 3rd comment of yours:
> "(3) Actually, m=
ore than others, feel sorry for yourself. Who are we ..
> to worry about ot=
hers? They, their god and their gurus will feel
> sorry for them and do so=
mething about them. Apne ko kya lena dena? We
> are first responsible for =
ourselves. When one cannot change self and
> focus attention on god fully =
within oneself, what is the point in
> lamenting about the spirituality or=
lack of it in other people? ..."
>
> Here you made me feel as if I did a =
mistake in responding to my
> cousin as well as asking you the questions. =
I might be wrong in both.
> But what I feel is though it might be irritati=
ng and meaningless to
> answer the queries of an agnostic; we cannot overr=
ide the chance of
> us being instrumental in their path to know the truth.=
=A0
I didn't mean to make you feel bad or to suggest that one should not t=
ry to help others and focus on oneself. If I thought so, I would not be doi=
ng so many things I do, like replying to mails, putting together homam manu=
als etc. My comment 3 came after the first 2. I was just trying to bring in=
another angle after the first two.
=A0
One cannot stop focussing inwards a=
nd correcting oneself ever. Even a yogi who is able to change the spiritual=
lives of millions cannot drop guard and has to be looking inwards. That wa=
s my point.
=A0
It is good to help others and try to be "instrumental in th=
eir path to know the truth". However, after engaging in action that one's j=
udgment says one should engage in, one should earnestly surrender the doers=
hip to the Lord and move on. It is not worthwhile to cling on to the owners=
hip of too many actions for too long as people normally do. In fact, it is =
a big problem. People don't realize it. One getting used to cancer and livi=
ng with it for 50 years=A0may forget how it is to live without that disease=
. Similarly, a being used to living with this cancer (of persistent mental =
ownership of many many many actions) for many lives may forget how it is to=
live without that disease!
=A0
After all rituals like pooja and=A0homam, w=
e do say "sarvam sree krishnaarpanamastu" .=A0Though people say it without =
understanding, it means that you surrender the action finished just now to =
Krishna. After that, you are not the owner. You should really feel that way=
.
=A0
One can adopt that attitude to everything in life, do the action as p=
erfectly as one can and then surrender the doership to the Lord. Unfortunat=
ely, many people do good things and cling on to the ownership within their =
mind for too long. This causes many problems and also binds one. Pride that=
they did something good or sadness that they missed something or happiness=
that a good result came from that action or sadness that the intended resu=
lt did not happen start eating one's mind later on and stop the mind from a=
cting optimally on *future actions*. If one truly surrenders the ownership =
of every action after the action finishes, one forms a distance between one=
self and the results that the actions may bring later on. That distance is =
really needed for a stable and blissful state of mind and optimum output fr=
om one's mind.
=A0
> I remember reading in Scott Peck's book -The Roads Les=
s Travelled,
> that to lose ones ego and to realize oneself, an ego must b=
e present
> in the first place. I liked that statement very much because i=
t is
> from his book that I am first reading a statement in that line of
=
> thought. Everywhere people condemn ego and speak of losing ego as the
> =
way to realize God. But nobody has ever said that an ego is necessary
> to=
lose it.
=A0
Quite honestly, ego IS present in all beings by default, incl=
uding the lowest beings like amoeba and bacteria. A discussion of the neces=
sity of ego to be present is superfluous, as ego IS present anyway in all b=
eings. By the way, ego in our literature does not mean "egotism"=A0or self-=
importance or pride (which are the meaning in which the word is used these =
days). Ego simply means self-consciousness and self-awareness. They are alw=
ays there in all beings=A0and it is an uphill climb to lose them by introsp=
ecting each thought, word and action of oneself.
=A0
Best regards,
Narasimh=
a
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--- In sohamsa@yahoogroups .com, "jyothi_b_lakshmi" <jyot=
hi_b_lakshmi@ ...> wrote:
>
> Respected Narasimhji,
>
> First of all let m=
e thank you for spending some time to reply to my
> questions.
>
> I spec=
ifically liked the below comments of yours:
> "A mind is a mind is a mind. =
Mind creates the world, not necessarily
> a human mind. All minds can crea=
te a world. However, a human mind is
> more capable than other minds to br=
eak down that created world and
> return to the source. THAT is the point.=
"
>
> May be the world we perceive now is the creation of human mind, and =
> as you said, there may be many other worlds created by many other
> min=
ds other than that of humans and since we are not the creators we
> are un=
able to see/comprehend them.
>
> "Your question is kind of an oxymoron. C=
an good aghoris become "well-
> known" and come to limelight? :-)"
>
> (I =
did not know the meaning of oxymoron. Had to look dictionary :((.
> Well, =
I understand your point. Aghoris cannot be well-known for
> obvious reason=
s. May be Aghoris know that people who are not as much
> evolved as them w=
ill not be able to understand their path and hence
> stay away from public=
ity.=A0
>
> I am least interested in Vamamarga. I just had a curiosity to=
know if
> any body was successful in that path. (Your reference to Vamama=
rga
> and its dangers made me think of the success rate of that path and i=
f
> really such people existed. That's all. (Personally, I DO NOT want
> =
any Aghori to appear as my Guru, though I would wish a saint from
> Right =
hand path to appear before me IFF and when I am eligible (if
> not in this=
birth, in any future birth)!!. This is not biasing, just
> a personal tas=
te.
>
> I enjoyed reading Aghora =96Kundalini- so well written and genuin=
e. But
> as you said, the other book on Left Hand Path by Swaboda was a ki=
nd
> of shock to me, initially. And it was good to know that such paths
>=
also existed. But after that it didn't affect me at all because I
> under=
stood it is just another path. Why should I bother about how and
> why it =
is so when we have a more acceptable and beautiful path?
>=A0
> Now, I wo=
uld like to reply to the 3rd comment of yours:
> "(3) Actually, more than o=
thers, feel sorry for yourself. Who are we
> to worry about others? They, =
their god and their gurus will feel
> sorry for them and do something abou=
t them. Apne ko kya lena dena? We
> are first responsible for ourselves. W=
hen one cannot change self and
> focus attention on god fully within onese=
lf, what is the point in
> lamenting about the spirituality or lack of it =
in other people? So,
> we should all try to look inward and take a critica=
l look at
> ourselves, given that we got a very very very valuable life as=
a
> human being."
>
> Here you made me feel as if I did a mistake in res=
ponding to my
> cousin as well as asking you the questions. I might be wro=
ng in both.
> But what I feel is though it might be irritating and meaning=
less to
> answer the queries of an agnostic; we cannot override the chance=
of
> us being instrumental in their path to know the truth. Every person,=
> who has a quest to find the truth, be it spiritually or

> scientifical=
ly (as my cousin who says he will try to solve the
> mystery of life in a =
scientific way) will have to under go a lot of
> conflicts at the initial =
stages. Since we are all accustomed to find
> answers through reasoning, e=
verybody initially starts thinking
> logically to get an answer which ulti=
mately leads to a dead end. Once
> that way ends, one starts looking withi=
n, and after a lot of practice
> finally realizes that what logic couldn't=
find, could be found by
> practice of concentrating within. This realizat=
ion that nobody can
> answer ones questions, but only oneself, is achieved=
after a lot of
> queries which may be directed to oneself and to many. To=
my cousin, I
> may be a part of that `many'. It is not that I worry about=
others
> spirituality, but I feel, just as many people acted as catalyst =
in my
> spiritual journey, I too might act a as a catalyst, to others, eve=
n
> if I don't have anything worthwhile to share, and even if I might not =
> be aware of my role. My inability to answer his question might be one

>=
reason that will catalyze his thoughts further to know more about
> other=
ways and may be, he will ultimately realize the truth. But till
> then, t=
he path and people on that path are important. I am saying
> this from my =
experience, when I was tortured by many spiritual quests
> and many people=
's answers (be it satisfactory or unsatisfactory)
> helped me to advance. =
So I feel it might be the same with others.
>
> I remember reading in Sco=
tt Peck's book -The Roads Less Travelled,
> that to lose ones ego and to r=
ealize oneself, an ego must be present
> in the first place. I liked that =
statement very much because it is
> from his book that I am first reading =
a statement in that line of
> thought. Everywhere people condemn ego and s=
peak of losing ego as the
> way to realize God. But nobody has ever said t=
hat an ego is necessary
> to lose it. Nobody ever spoke of the `necessity'=
and importance of
> ego to realize God. Scott Peck made it very clear tha=
t if not having
> an ego is a sign of realization, then all children shoul=
d be self-
> realized yogis, but in fact they are not. They become yogis wh=
en they
> develop an ego and then lose it. May be this is the way Divine M=
other
> wants it to happen. Someway, I liked what Scott Peck said.
>
>
=
> With Respects,
> Jyothi
>
> --- In sohamsa@yahoogroups .com, "Narasimha =
P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Namaste Jyothi ji,
> >=A0
> > > Secon=
dly, can you please help me with a question? ..snip..
> > > He was asking m=
e if yoga, be it jnana yoga, bhakti yoga
> > > or any one, is the only way=
to attain moksha/realisation, then
> what
> > > will other living organi=
sms like ameoba, bacteria and all will do
> to
> > > attain moksha? Arent=
they also living organisms?
> > > ..snip.. He said, if what I am saying i=
s correct, only human
> beings
> > > will be evolved and other organisms =
will never attain moksha. I
> was
> > > breathless for a moment and did n=
ot know how to answer him. I
> really
> > > felt sad (and ashamed, becaus=
e I thought I could answer all
> questions
> > > related to the mystery o=
f life) that I couldnt answer
> him. ..snip..
> >=A0
> > Well, sadhana (e=
ffort) is what a being does. Phala (fruits) are
> decided by the Lord. If =
God wants, a bacteria can get moksha too.
> However, *usually* god has som=
e rules of action and reaction to
> uphold and hence does not act out of o=
rder. So the chance of a
> baterium to get moksha is negligible (except at=
the end of this
> creation cycle).
> >=A0
> > It is indeed true that amo=
eba or bacteria have very very small
> chance of moksha in THAT life. Howe=
ver, nobody stops them from doing
> some good karma (possibly by *chance*)=
, get a higher birth and
> eventually be born as a human and do some sadha=
na.
> >=A0
> > When I wrote "by chance", it may make some uncomfortable. B=
ut that
> is the fact. Whatever action we perform with a sense of *I-ness*=
> behind that action becomes a karma (action) and an equal and opposite
=
> phala (fruit/reaction) will come. Suppose one donates one's eyes and
> f=
eels good about the noble act and the person getting the eyes uses
> the n=
ewly gotten vision to look at some beautiful women, be tempted
> and rape =
them, the donor will get part of that karma! The laws of
> karma are compl=
ex. Thinking like "this is a noble karma. So it is
> good only" is incorre=
ct. Each action results in a series of
> developments and begets some karm=
a for the person. Of course, if an
> act is with committed with ego but no=
t an intention to affect a
> particular development, the part of the karma=
begotten from that
> development is smaller (than it would be if that dev=
elopment was
> intended). Thus, even bacteria and amoeba can beget karma f=
rom the
> results of their actions. But it is very small and accumulates
=
> slowly. Highly taamasik beings such as trees, amoeba and bacteria
> take=
a looooong time to make progress on the ladder of kaarmik
> evolution.
> =
>=A0
> > I want to make three comments:
> >=A0
> > (1) One need not feel =
sorry for the amoeba and bacteria because
> they are mostly a long way fro=
m moksha. Not all beings need to get
> moksha right away. If that is neede=
d, god did not need to create this
> world. If there is unmanifested Brahm=
an and nothing else in this
> universe, that will solve all problems. But =
the fact is that
> manifested Brahman with infinite objects at varying lev=
els of karmic
> evolution is not really a problem! That is exactly what is=
needed for
> the Lila to unfold.
> >=A0
> > (2) If you want to feel sorr=
y, feel sorry not for amoeba and
> bacteria, but for those who got the val=
uable human birth and yet act
> like amoeba and bacteria spiritually. Pity=
those who are stuck in the
> cycle of happiness and sadness, elation and =
depression, hopes and
> despairs etc, without realizing that the play will=
end soon and what
> birth one will get next is uncertain!!
> >=A0
> > (3=
) Actually, more than others, feel sorry for yourself. Who are we
> to wor=
ry about others? They, their god and their gurus will feel
> sorry for the=
m and do something about them. Apne ko kya lena dena? We
> are first respo=
nsible for ourselves. When one cannot change self and
> focus attention on=
god fully within oneself, what is the point in
> lamenting about the spir=
ituality or lack of it in other people? So,
> we should all try to look in=
ward and take a critical look at
> ourselves, given that we got a very ver=
y very valuable life as a
> human being.
> >=A0
> > > His question gave m=
e a sleepless night. I thought a lot about it.
> If
> > > the whole world=
as a maya exist only in human's mind (as per my
> > > understanding, our =
mind creates this world, when through yoga,
> > > mind/ego collapse happen=
s, there is no world or anything and we
> > > submerge as oneness in the o=
mnipotent power), if it is a creation
> of
> > > mind, then there should =
not be any world when the human species
> is
> > > extinct. Right?
> >=
=A0
> > A mind is a mind is a mind. Mind creates the world, not necessaril=
y
> a human mind. All minds can create a world. However, a human mind is
=
> more capable than other minds to break down that created world and
> ret=
urn to the source. THAT is the point.
> >=A0
> > > (I am asking you becaus=
e, you were instrumental (though
> unknowingly)
> > > in opening the wide=
horizon of spiritual knowledge to me years
> back
> > > through just one=
reply to one of my questions related to
> Kundalini. I
> > > am always i=
ndebted to you for that and now I realise how stupid
> my
> > > questions=
were at that time.)
> >=A0
> > I am glad to know that. I am actually a f=
ool who does not know much
> and cannot help anyone. But the blessings of =
my gurus may work
> through me sometimes and benefit some.
> >=A0
> > > F=
irst:
> > > I would like to know if you have heard of any vamacharis in In=
dia
> who
> > > followed Vama Marga successfully and realised God. All tr=
ue
> saints I
> > > have heard are followers of the Satwik path/right han=
d tantra. So
> > > always wonder, did any body succeed in the other way? A=
nybody who
> was
> >=A0
> > Your =
question is kind of an oxymoron. Can good aghoris become "well-
> known" an=
d come to limelight? :-)
> >=A0
> > I know one masterly aghori reasonably =
well. However, he is not
> restricted to one path. All paths are his own a=
nd he does not
> distinguish. He does aghora sadhanas in smashana and also=
Vedic
> sadhanas like Vedic homas with the same attitude. He chants Vedic=
> mantras too. For example, when he chants Sri Rudram, it produces
> ama=
zing energy all around. He is a bhakti yogi too. When he thinks of
> Krish=
na, he melts in devotion. When he discusses upanishads and other
> Vedanta=
texts such as Yoga Vaasishtham and BhagavadGita, his keen
> intellect shi=
nes forth like a Sun and illuminates the thinking of a
> ready audience. I=
have never seen anyone who has such a perfect
> understanding of the esse=
nce of Upanishads and exudes it in thoughts,
> words and actions. He has w=
ife and children, has a full-time job and
> engages in several external ac=
tivities and is never idle. But his
> level of detachment with the work he=
does so expertly is far higher
> than even ascetics who renounce everythi=
ng and *try* to develop some
> detachment.
> >=A0
> > Bottomline is that =
he is an aghori, but he is also a jnaana yogi,
> bhakti yogi, karma yogi a=
nd raaja yogi. He is a vaidika and he is an
> aghori. All paths are his an=
d he views all the same way. I don't know
> if all really good aghoris are=
like that or just he.
> >=A0
> > In any case, it is irrelevant to you if =
any aghori succeeded or
> not. If YOU are meant to succeed in aghota, you =
will. If not, you
> will not. To be safe, until the right time and right p=
erson comes,
> one should not venture into aghora. I want people to apprec=
iate
> different things for what they are and not have unhealthy biases, b=
ut
> it does not mean everybody should try everything. Nuclear engineers
=
> hating politicians, politicians hating lawyers and lawyers hating
> doct=
ors is bad. But one should become what one is supposed to!
> >=A0
> > > A =
few years back, I had read AGHORA -Kundalini by Robert Svoboda.
> In
> > =
> that book one Aghori Vimalananda is mentioned. But except in that
> > > =
book, I couldnt find any references to this person anywhere. Not
> even
>=
> > in net. (The only references were the ones related to Robert
> > > Sw=
aboda's book and as his Guru).=A0=A0
> >=A0
> > Well, he guarded his priv=
acy and made sure that the books came out
> only after he left the body. M=
oreover, his real name was not that.
> Also, he led his spiritual life in =
relative seclusion and not many
> knew him. No wonder you can't find info =
on him.
> >=A0
> > Bottomline is: Whether he is real or not, one can benef=
it from
> teachings attributed to him. The knowledge present in the aghora=
> series of books is nothing short of amazing. It may shock you, but it
=
> can change your thinking from inside out and give you a clearer
> unders=
tanding. Vimalananda not only managed to impart great
> understanding to S=
voboda, but also ensure that Mother Taaraa Herself
> would speak through S=
voboda and the knowledge would come out perfect.
> Other books authored by=
Svoboda may not have the same brilliance, but
> those books came out just=
as Vimalananda intended.
> >=A0
> > There are many things in the book whi=
ch could not have come from a
> normal person. They came from someone who =
had a perfect, steady and
> unwavering understanding of the absolute truth=
.
> >=A0
> > BTW, you cannot meet a good and genuine aghori unless there i=
s a
> rina and *he* wants you to meet him.
> >=A0
> > Best regards,
> > N=
arasimha
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> >=A0
> > --- In soh=
amsa@yahoogroups .com, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"
> <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote:
> >=
>
> > > Namaste Narasimhji,
> > >
> > >
> > > Enjoyed reading both your =
mails. This reminds me of a koan riddle:
> > >
> > > A MASTER was asked th=
e question, "What is the Way?" by a curious
> > > monk.
> > > "It is right =
before your eyes," said the master.
> > > Monk: "Why do I not see it for my=
self?"
> > > Master: "Because you are thinking of yourself."
> > > Monk: "W=
hat about you? Do you see it?"
> > > Master: "So long as you see double, sa=
ying I don't and you do,
> and so
> > > on, your eyes are clouded,"
> > >=
Monk: "When there is neither 'I' nor 'You' can one see it?"
> > > Master: =
"When there is neither 'I' nor 'You,' who is the one that
> > > wants to s=
ee it?"
> > >
> > > Can I request two favours from you?
> > >
> > > First=
:
> > > I would like to know if you have heard of any vamacharis in India =
> who
> > > followed Vama Marga successfully and realised God. All true
=
> saints I
> > > have heard are followers of the Satwik path/right hand ta=
ntra. So
> > > always wonder, did any body succeed in the other way? Anybo=
dy who
> was
> > >
> > > A few ye=
ars back, I had read AGHORA -Kundalini by Robert Svoboda.
> In
> > > that=
book one Aghori Vimalananda is mentioned. But except in that
> > > book, =
I couldnt find any references to this person anywhere. Not
> even
> > > i=
n net. (The only references were the ones related to Robert
> > > Swaboda'=
s book and as his Guru).=A0=A0
> > >
> > > Secondly, can you please help =
me with a question?
> > > A week back, I was elaborating about realisation =
and yoga,
> meditation
> > > and all such to one of my cousins who did no=
t actually understand
> all
> > > what I said. He was asking me if yoga, =
be it jnana yoga, bhakti
> yoga
> > > or any one, is the only way to atta=
in moksha/realisation, then
> what
> > > will other living organisms like=
ameoba, bacteria and all will do
> to
> > > attain moksha? Arent they al=
so living organisms? (He has done his
> > > research in Bio Informatics, h=
ence his priority to bacteria and
> > > ameoba). He said, if what I am say=
ing is correct, only human
> beings
> > > will be evolved and other organ=
isms will never attain moksha. I
> was
> > > breathless for a moment and =
did not know how to answer him. I
> really
> > > felt sad (and ashamed, b=
ecause I thought I could answer all
> questions
> > > related to the myst=
ery of life) that I couldnt answer him. His
> > > question seemed stupid, =
but when I thought of it, isnt that a
> valid
> > > question?
> > >
> > =
> His question gave me a sleepless night. I thought a lot about it.
> If
=
> > > the whole world as a maya exist only in human's mind (as per my
> > =
> understanding, our mind creates this world, when through yoga,
> > > min=
d/ego collapse happens, there is no world or anything and we
> > > submerg=
e as oneness in the omnipotent power), if it is a creation
> of
> > > min=
d, then there should not be any world when the human species
> is
> > > e=
xtinct. Right?
> > >
> > > I dont know if I have convey my doubt clearly.=
=A0
> > >
> > > Would you be able to share your knowledge on this?
> > >=
> > > (I am asking you because, you were instrumental (though
> unknowin=
gly)
> > > in opening the wide horizon of spiritual knowledge to me years =
> back
> > > through just one reply to one of my questions related to
> =
Kundalini. I
> > > am always indebted to you for that and now I realise ho=
w stupid
> my
> > > questions were at that time.)
> > >
> > > With Resp=
ects,
> > > Jyothi
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Adarniya Guruji Namaskar,</DIV>
<DIV>&nb=
sp;</DIV>
<DIV>I kindly you to please write books on Vedic Astrology & =
Vedic Wisdom. Your presentation of matter is excellent. Although I am not a=
Astrologer but became interested in it since 1.1/2 year & collected ma=
ny books(whole volumes of B V Raman, Bhojraj dwivedi, KP, etc). Did not stu=
dy any of them in detail. I happened to Purchase your book "Integrated appr=
oach to Vedic Astrology" just by chance. But once I began reading it & =
learned about your software, SJC, books by Pandit Rath ji et=
c I was set in motion & since then in free time I study books only from=
SJC. Of the many books I browsed till now, your's is the excellent &a=
mp; I am indebted to you. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>By now have you com=
pleted any book? if yes what is the title. I am writing this mail so that i=
f not now(due to your busy schedule) in future atleast but at the earliest =
you will write more books and enlighten us.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Re=
gards</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Vinayak P Tandle<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 8=
/22/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@...></I></B> wrote:<BR><=
/DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT=
: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...&=
gt;<BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Analogy: Veda, Aagama, Tantra, Aghora et=
c<BR>To: sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, sivacharya@=
yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 6:47 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=
=3Dyiv1628122646>
<DIV>
=3D2>Namaste Jyothi ji,</FONT></DIV>
;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Now, I would like to r=
eply to the 3rd comment of yours:<BR>> "(3) Actually, more than others, =
feel sorry for yourself. Who are we ..</FONT></DIV>
size=3D2>> to worry about others? They, their god and their gurus will =
feel <BR>> sorry for them and do something about them. Apne ko kya lena =
dena? We <BR>> are first responsible for ourselves. When one cannot chan=
ge self and <BR>> focus attention on god fully within oneself, what is t=
he point in <BR>> lamenting about the spirituality or lack of it in othe=
r people? ..."<BR>> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> =
Here you made me feel as if I did a mistake in responding to my <BR>> co=
usin as well as asking you the questions. I might be wrong in both. <BR>>=
; But what I feel is though it might be irritating and meaningless to <BR>&=
gt; answer the queries of an agnostic; we cannot override the chance of <BR=
>> us being instrumental in their path to know the truth.</FONT><BR><FON=
2>I didn't mean to make you feel bad or to suggest that one should not try =
to help others and focus on oneself. If I thought so, I would not be doing =
so many things I do, like replying to mails, putting together homam manuals=
etc. </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My comment 3 came after the first =
2. I was just trying to bring in another angle after the first two.</FONT><=
/DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>One cannot stop focussing inwards and correcting oneself =
ever. Even a yogi who is able to change the spiritual lives of millions can=
not drop guard and has to be looking inwards. That was my point.</FONT></DI=
V>
rial size=3D2>It is good to help others and try to be "instrumental in thei=
r path to know the truth". However, after engaging in action that one's jud=
gment says one should engage in, one should earnestly surrender the doershi=
p to the Lord and move on. It is not worthwhile to cling on to the ownershi=
p of too many actions for too long as people normally do. In fact, it is a =
big problem. People don't realize it. One getting used to cancer and living=
with it for 50 years may forget how it is to live without that diseas=
e. Similarly, a being used to living with this cancer (of persistent mental=
ownership of many many many actions) for many lives may forget how it is t=
o live without that disease!</FONT></DIV>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>After all rituals like=
pooja and homam, we do say "sarvam sree krishnaarpanamastu" . Th=
ough people say it without understanding, it means that you surrender the a=
ction finished just now to Krishna. After that, you are not the owner. You =
should really feel that way.</FONT></DIV>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One can adopt that att=
itude to everything in life, do the action as perfectly as one can and then=
surrender the doership to the Lord. Unfortunately, many people do good thi=
ngs and cling on to the ownership within their mind for too long. This caus=
es many problems and also binds one. Pride that they did something good or =
sadness that they missed something or happiness that a good result came fro=
m that action or sadness that the intended result did not happen start eati=
ng one's mind later on and stop the mind from acting optimally on *future a=
ctions*. If one truly surrenders the ownership of every action after the ac=
tion finishes, one forms a distance between oneself and the results that th=
e actions may bring later on. That distance is really needed for a stable a=
nd blissful state of mind and optimum output from one's mind.</FONT></DIV>
=
l size=3D2>> I remember reading in Scott Peck's book -The Roads Less Tra=
velled, <BR>> that to lose ones ego and to realize oneself, an ego must =
be present <BR>> in the first place. I liked that statement very much be=
cause it is <BR>> from his book that I am first reading a statement in t=
hat line of <BR>> thought. Everywhere people condemn ego and speak of lo=
sing ego as the <BR>> way to realize God. But nobody has ever said that =
an ego is necessary <BR>> to lose it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Quite hone=
stly, e</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>go IS present in all beings by de=
fault, including the lowest beings like amoeba and bacteria. A discussion o=
f the necessity of ego to be present is superfluous, as ego IS present anyw=
ay in all beings. By the way, ego in our literature does not mean "egotism"=
or self-importance or pride (which are the meaning in which the word =
is used these days). Ego simply means self-consciousness and self-awareness=
. They are always there in all beings and it is an uphill climb to los=
e them by introspecting each thought, word and action of oneself.</FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
Arial size=3D2>Best regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------ --------- -------=
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oftware (Windows): <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/" target=3D_bl=
ank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org</A><BR>Sri Jagannath Cen=
tre (SJC) website: <A href=3D"http://www.srijagannath.org/" target=3D_blank=
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.SriJagan nath.org</A><BR>------------ ---------=

--------- --------- --------- --------- --------- <BR> </FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>--- In <A href=3D"mailto:sohamsa@yahoogrou=
ps.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>sohamsa@yahoogroups .com</A>, "jyoth=
i_b_lakshmi" <jyothi_b_lakshmi@ ...> wrote:<BR>><BR>> Respected=
Narasimhji,<BR>> <BR>> First of all let me thank you for spending so=
me time to reply to my <BR>> questions.<BR>> <BR>> I specifically =
liked the below comments of yours:<BR>> "A mind is a mind is a mind. Min=
d creates the world, not necessarily <BR>> a human mind. All minds can c=
reate a world. However, a human mind is <BR>> more capable than other mi=
nds to break down that created world and <BR>> return to the source. THA=
T is the point."<BR>> <BR>> May be the world we perceive now is the c=
reation of human mind, and <BR>> as you said, there may be many other wo=
rlds created by many other <BR>> minds other than that of humans and sin=
ce we are not the creators we <BR>> are unable to see/comprehend them.
=
<BR>> <BR>> "Your question is kind of an oxymoron. Can good aghoris b=
ecome "well-<BR>> known" and come to limelight? :-)"<BR>> <BR>> (I=
did not know the meaning of oxymoron. Had to look dictionary :((. <BR>>=
Well, I understand your point. Aghoris cannot be well-known for <BR>> o=
bvious reasons. May be Aghoris know that people who are not as much <BR>>=
; evolved as them will not be able to understand their path and hence <BR>&=
gt; stay away from publicity. <BR>> <BR>> I am least interested=
in Vamamarga. I just had a curiosity to know if <BR>> any body was succ=
essful in that path. (Your reference to Vamamarga <BR>> and its dangers =
made me think of the success rate of that path and if <BR>> really such =
people existed. That's all. (Personally, I DO NOT want <BR>> any Aghori =
to appear as my Guru, though I would wish a saint from <BR>> Right hand =
path to appear before me IFF and when I am eligible (if <BR>>
not in th=
is birth, in any future birth)!!. This is not biasing, just <BR>> a pers=
onal taste. <BR>> <BR>> I enjoyed reading Aghora =96Kundalini- so wel=
l written and genuine. But <BR>> as you said, the other book on Left Han=
d Path by Swaboda was a kind <BR>> of shock to me, initially. And it was=
good to know that such paths <BR>> also existed. But after that it didn=
't affect me at all because I <BR>> understood it is just another path. =
Why should I bother about how and <BR>> why it is so when we have a more=
acceptable and beautiful path? <BR>> <BR>> Now, I would like t=
o reply to the 3rd comment of yours:<BR>> "(3) Actually, more than other=
s, feel sorry for yourself. Who are we <BR>> to worry about others? They=
, their god and their gurus will feel <BR>> sorry for them and do someth=
ing about them. Apne ko kya lena dena? We <BR>> are first responsible fo=
r ourselves. When one cannot change self and <BR>>
focus attention on g=
od fully within oneself, what is the point in <BR>> lamenting about the =
spirituality or lack of it in other people? So, <BR>> we should all try =
to look inward and take a critical look at <BR>> ourselves, given that w=
e got a very very very valuable life as a <BR>> human being."<BR>> <B=
R>> Here you made me feel as if I did a mistake in responding to my <BR>=
> cousin as well as asking you the questions. I might be wrong in both. =
<BR>> But what I feel is though it might be irritating and meaningless t=
o <BR>> answer the queries of an agnostic; we cannot override the chance=
of <BR>> us being instrumental in their path to know the truth. Every p=
erson, <BR>> who has a quest to find the truth, be it spiritually or <BR=
>> scientifically (as my cousin who says he will try to solve the <BR>&g=
t; mystery of life in a scientific way) will have to under go a lot of <BR>=
> conflicts at the initial stages. Since we
are all accustomed to find =
<BR>> answers through reasoning, everybody initially starts thinking <BR=
>> logically to get an answer which ultimately leads to a dead end. Once=
<BR>> that way ends, one starts looking within, and after a lot of prac=
tice <BR>> finally realizes that what logic couldn't find, could be foun=
d by <BR>> practice of concentrating within. This realization that nobod=
y can <BR>> answer ones questions, but only oneself, is achieved after a=
lot of <BR>> queries which may be directed to oneself and to many. To m=
y cousin, I <BR>> may be a part of that `many'. It is not that I worry a=
bout others <BR>> spirituality, but I feel, just as many people acted as=
catalyst in my <BR>> spiritual journey, I too might act a as a catalyst=
, to others, even <BR>> if I don't have anything worthwhile to share, an=
d even if I might not <BR>> be aware of my role. My inability to answer =
his question might be one <BR>>
reason that will catalyze his thoughts =
further to know more about <BR>> other ways and may be, he will ultimate=
ly realize the truth. But till <BR>> then, the path and people on that p=
ath are important. I am saying <BR>> this from my experience, when I was=
tortured by many spiritual quests <BR>> and many people's answers (be i=
t satisfactory or unsatisfactory) <BR>> helped me to advance. So I feel =
it might be the same with others. <BR>> <BR>> I remember reading in S=
cott Peck's book -The Roads Less Travelled, <BR>> that to lose ones ego =
and to realize oneself, an ego must be present <BR>> in the first place.=
I liked that statement very much because it is <BR>> from his book that=
I am first reading a statement in that line of <BR>> thought. Everywher=
e people condemn ego and speak of losing ego as the <BR>> way to realize=
God. But nobody has ever said that an ego is necessary <BR>> to lose it=
. Nobody ever spoke of the
`necessity' and importance of <BR>> ego to r=
ealize God. Scott Peck made it very clear that if not having <BR>> an eg=
o is a sign of realization, then all children should be self-<BR>> reali=
zed yogis, but in fact they are not. They become yogis when they <BR>> d=
evelop an ego and then lose it. May be this is the way Divine Mother <BR>&g=
t; wants it to happen. Someway, I liked what Scott Peck said. <BR>> <BR>=
> <BR>> With Respects,<BR>> Jyothi<BR>> <BR>> --- In <A href=
=3D"mailto:sohamsa@yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>sohamsa@=
yahoogroups .com</A>, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@> <BR>> wrote:<B=
R>> ><BR>> > Namaste Jyothi ji,<BR>> > <BR>> >=
; > Secondly, can you please help me with a question? ..snip..<BR>> &=
gt; > He was asking me if yoga, be it jnana yoga, bhakti yoga <BR>> &=
gt; > or any one, is the only way to attain moksha/realisation, then <BR=
>> what <BR>> >
> will other living organisms like ameoba, bac=
teria and all will do <BR>> to <BR>> > > attain moksha? Arent t=
hey also living organisms? <BR>> > > ..snip.. He said, if what I a=
m saying is correct, only human <BR>> beings <BR>> > > will be =
evolved and other organisms will never attain moksha. I <BR>> was <BR>&g=
t; > > breathless for a moment and did not know how to answer him. I =
<BR>> really <BR>> > > felt sad (and ashamed, because I thought=
I could answer all <BR>> questions <BR>> > > related to the my=
stery of life) that I couldnt answer <BR>> him. ..snip..<BR>> >&nb=
sp; <BR>> > Well, sadhana (effort) is what a being does. Phala (fruit=
s) are <BR>> decided by the Lord. If God wants, a bacteria can get moksh=
a too. <BR>> However, *usually* god has some rules of action and reactio=
n to <BR>> uphold and hence does not act out of order. So the chance of =
a <BR>>
baterium to get moksha is negligible (except at the end of this=
<BR>> creation cycle).<BR>> > <BR>> > It is indeed tr=
ue that amoeba or bacteria have very very small <BR>> chance of moksha i=
n THAT life. However, nobody stops them from doing <BR>> some good karma=
(possibly by *chance*), get a higher birth and <BR>> eventually be born=
as a human and do some sadhana.<BR>> > <BR>> > When I wr=
ote "by chance", it may make some uncomfortable. But that <BR>> is the f=
act. Whatever action we perform with a sense of *I-ness* <BR>> behind th=
at action becomes a karma (action) and an equal and opposite <BR>> phala=
(fruit/reaction) will come. Suppose one donates one's eyes and <BR>> fe=
els good about the noble act and the person getting the eyes uses <BR>> =
the newly gotten vision to look at some beautiful women, be tempted <BR>>=
; and rape them, the donor will get part of that karma! The laws of <BR>>=
;
karma are complex. Thinking like "this is a noble karma. So it is <BR>&g=
t; good only" is incorrect. Each action results in a series of <BR>> dev=
elopments and begets some karma for the person. Of course, if an <BR>> a=
ct is with committed with ego but not an intention to affect a <BR>> par=
ticular development, the part of the karma begotten from that <BR>> deve=
lopment is smaller (than it would be if that development was <BR>> inten=
ded). Thus, even bacteria and amoeba can beget karma from the <BR>> resu=
lts of their actions. But it is very small and accumulates <BR>> slowly.=
Highly taamasik beings such as trees, amoeba and bacteria <BR>> take a =
looooong time to make progress on the ladder of kaarmik <BR>> evolution.=
<BR>> > <BR>> > I want to make three comments:<BR>> &g=
t; <BR>> > (1) One need not feel sorry for the amoeba and bacte=
ria because <BR>> they are mostly a long way from moksha. Not all
being=
s need to get <BR>> moksha right away. If that is needed, god did not ne=
ed to create this <BR>> world. If there is unmanifested Brahman and noth=
ing else in this <BR>> universe, that will solve all problems. But the f=
act is that <BR>> manifested Brahman with infinite objects at varying le=
vels of karmic <BR>> evolution is not really a problem! That is exactly =
what is needed for <BR>> the Lila to unfold.<BR>> > <BR>>=
> (2) If you want to feel sorry, feel sorry not for amoeba and <BR>>=
bacteria, but for those who got the valuable human birth and yet act <BR>&=
gt; like amoeba and bacteria spiritually. Pity those who are stuck in the <=
BR>> cycle of happiness and sadness, elation and depression, hopes and <=
BR>> despairs etc, without realizing that the play will end soon and wha=
t <BR>> birth one will get next is uncertain!!<BR>> > <BR>&g=
t; > (3) Actually, more than others, feel sorry for
yourself. Who are w=
e <BR>> to worry about others? They, their god and their gurus will feel=
<BR>> sorry for them and do something about them. Apne ko kya lena dena=
? We <BR>> are first responsible for ourselves. When one cannot change s=
elf and <BR>> focus attention on god fully within oneself, what is the p=
oint in <BR>> lamenting about the spirituality or lack of it in other pe=
ople? So, <BR>> we should all try to look inward and take a critical loo=
k at <BR>> ourselves, given that we got a very very very valuable life a=
s a <BR>> human being.<BR>> > <BR>> > > His questio=
n gave me a sleepless night. I thought a lot about it. <BR>> If <BR>>=
> > the whole world as a maya exist only in human's mind (as per my =
<BR>> > > understanding, our mind creates this world, when through=
yoga, <BR>> > > mind/ego collapse happens, there is no world or a=
nything and we <BR>> > > submerge as
oneness in the omnipotent po=
wer), if it is a creation <BR>> of <BR>> > > mind, then there s=
hould not be any world when the human species <BR>> is <BR>> > >=
; extinct. Right? <BR>> > <BR>> > A mind is a mind is a m=
ind. Mind creates the world, not necessarily <BR>> a human mind. All min=
ds can create a world. However, a human mind is <BR>> more capable than =
other minds to break down that created world and <BR>> return to the sou=
rce. THAT is the point.<BR>> > <BR>> > > (I am asking =
you because, you were instrumental (though <BR>> unknowingly) <BR>> &=
gt; > in opening the wide horizon of spiritual knowledge to me years <BR=
>> back <BR>> > > through just one reply to one of my questions=
related to <BR>> Kundalini. I <BR>> > > am always indebted to =
you for that and now I realise how stupid <BR>> my <BR>> > > qu=
estions were at that time.) <BR>>
> <BR>> > I am glad to=
know that. I am actually a fool who does not know much <BR>> and cannot=
help anyone. But the blessings of my gurus may work <BR>> through me so=
metimes and benefit some.<BR>> > <BR>> > > First: <BR>=
> > > I would like to know if you have heard of any vamacharis in =
India <BR>> who <BR>> > > followed Vama Marga successfully and =
realised God. All true <BR>> saints I <BR>> > > have heard are =
followers of the Satwik path/right hand tantra. So <BR>> > > alway=
s wonder, did any body succeed in the other way? Anybody who <BR>> was <=
BR>> > > well-known as a Vamamarga saint?<BR>> > <BR>&=
gt; > Your question is kind of an oxymoron. Can good aghoris become "wel=
l-<BR>> known" and come to limelight? :-)<BR>> > <BR>> &g=
t; I know one masterly aghori reasonably well. However, he is not <BR>> =
restricted to one path. All
paths are his own and he does not <BR>> dis=
tinguish. He does aghora sadhanas in smashana and also Vedic <BR>> sadha=
nas like Vedic homas with the same attitude. He chants Vedic <BR>> mantr=
as too. For example, when he chants Sri Rudram, it produces <BR>> amazin=
g energy all around. He is a bhakti yogi too. When he thinks of <BR>> Kr=
ishna, he melts in devotion. When he discusses upanishads and other <BR>>=
; Vedanta texts such as Yoga Vaasishtham and BhagavadGita, his keen <BR>>=
; intellect shines forth like a Sun and illuminates the thinking of a <BR>&=
gt; ready audience. I have never seen anyone who has such a perfect <BR>>=
; understanding of the essence of Upanishads and exudes it in thoughts, <BR=
>> words and actions. He has wife and children, has a full-time job and =
<BR>> engages in several external activities and is never idle. But his =
<BR>> level of detachment with the work he does so expertly is far highe=
r <BR>> than even
ascetics who renounce everything and *try* to develop=
some <BR>> detachment.<BR>> > <BR>> > Bottomline is t=
hat he is an aghori, but he is also a jnaana yogi, <BR>> bhakti yogi, ka=
rma yogi and raaja yogi. He is a vaidika and he is an <BR>> aghori. All =
paths are his and he views all the same way. I don't know <BR>> if all r=
eally good aghoris are like that or just he.<BR>> > <BR>> &g=
t; In any case, it is irrelevant to you if any aghori succeeded or <BR>>=
not. If YOU are meant to succeed in aghota, you will. If not, you <BR>>=
will not. To be safe, until the right time and right person comes, <BR>>=
; one should not venture into aghora. I want people to appreciate <BR>> =
different things for what they are and not have unhealthy biases, but <BR>&=
gt; it does not mean everybody should try everything. Nuclear engineers <BR=
>> hating politicians, politicians hating lawyers and lawyers hating <BR=
>> doctors
is bad. But one should become what one is supposed to!<BR>&g=
t; > <BR>> > > A few years back, I had read AGHORA -Kunda=
lini by Robert Svoboda. <BR>> In <BR>> > > that book one Aghori=
Vimalananda is mentioned. But except in that <BR>> > > book, I co=
uldnt find any references to this person anywhere. Not <BR>> even <BR>&g=
t; > > in net. (The only references were the ones related to Robert <=
BR>> > > Swaboda's book and as his Guru). <BR>> >=
; <BR>> > Well, he guarded his privacy and made sure that the b=
ooks came out <BR>> only after he left the body. Moreover, his real name=
was not that. <BR>> Also, he led his spiritual life in relative seclusi=
on and not many <BR>> knew him. No wonder you can't find info on him.<BR=
>> > <BR>> > Bottomline is: Whether he is real or not, on=
e can benefit from <BR>> teachings attributed to him. The knowledge pres=
ent in
the aghora <BR>> series of books is nothing short of amazing. It=
may shock you, but it <BR>> can change your thinking from inside out an=
d give you a clearer <BR>> understanding. Vimalananda not only managed t=
o impart great <BR>> understanding to Svoboda, but also ensure that Moth=
er Taaraa Herself <BR>> would speak through Svoboda and the knowledge wo=
uld come out perfect. <BR>> Other books authored by Svoboda may not have=
the same brilliance, but <BR>> those books came out just as Vimalananda=
intended.<BR>> > <BR>> > There are many things in the bo=
ok which could not have come from a <BR>> normal person. They came from =
someone who had a perfect, steady and <BR>> unwavering understanding of =
the absolute truth.<BR>> > <BR>> > BTW, you cannot meet a=
good and genuine aghori unless there is a <BR>> rina and *he* wants you=
to meet him.<BR>> > <BR>> > Best regards,<BR>> >
=
Narasimha<BR>> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------=
--------- ---------<BR>> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: <A href=3D"htt=
p://www.vedicastrologer.org/homam" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://ww=
w.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam</A><BR>> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: =
<A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/tarpana" target=3D_blank rel=3Dno=
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ty: <A href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom" target=3D_blank =
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t; Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <A href=3D"http://vedicastro.home.comcast.ne=
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<BR>> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): <A href=3D"http://www.vedica=
strologer.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.=
org</A><BR>> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <A href=3D"http://=
www.srijagannath.org/"
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.SriJagan =
nath.org</A><BR>> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ------=
--- --------- --------- <BR>> > <BR>> > --- In <A href=3D=
"mailto:sohamsa@yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>sohamsa@yah=
oogroups .com</A>, "jyothi_b_lakshmi" <BR>> <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wr=
ote:<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Namaste Narasimhji,<BR>> > &=
gt; <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Enjoyed reading both your mails. =
This reminds me of a koan riddle:<BR>> > > <BR>> > > A MA=
STER was asked the question, "What is the Way?" by a curious<BR>> > &=
gt; monk.<BR>> > > "It is right before your eyes," said the master=
.<BR>> > > Monk: "Why do I not see it for myself?"<BR>> > &g=
t; Master: "Because you are thinking of yourself."<BR>> > > Monk: =
"What about you? Do you see it?"<BR>> > > Master: "So long as you =
see double, saying I don't
and you do, <BR>> and so <BR>> > > =
on, your eyes are clouded,"<BR>> > > Monk: "When there is neither =
'I' nor 'You' can one see it?"<BR>> > > Master: "When there is nei=
ther 'I' nor 'You,' who is the one that <BR>> > > wants to see it?=
"<BR>> > > <BR>> > > Can I request two favours from you?<=
BR>> > > <BR>> > > First: <BR>> > > I would like=
to know if you have heard of any vamacharis in India <BR>> who <BR>>=
> > followed Vama Marga successfully and realised God. All true <BR>=
> saints I <BR>> > > have heard are followers of the Satwik pat=
h/right hand tantra. So <BR>> > > always wonder, did any body succ=
eed in the other way? Anybody who <BR>> was <BR>> > > well-know=
n as a Vamamarga saint?<BR>> > > <BR>> > > A few years ba=
ck, I had read AGHORA -Kundalini by Robert Svoboda. <BR>> In <BR>> &g=
t; > that book
one Aghori Vimalananda is mentioned. But except in that =
<BR>> > > book, I couldnt find any references to this person anywh=
ere. Not <BR>> even <BR>> > > in net. (The only references were=
the ones related to Robert <BR>> > > Swaboda's book and as his Gu=
ru). <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Secondly, can you pl=
ease help me with a question?<BR>> > > A week back, I was elaborat=
ing about realisation and yoga, <BR>> meditation <BR>> > > and =
all such to one of my cousins who did not actually understand <BR>> all =
<BR>> > > what I said. He was asking me if yoga, be it jnana yoga,=
bhakti <BR>> yoga <BR>> > > or any one, is the only way to att=
ain moksha/realisation, then <BR>> what <BR>> > > will other li=
ving organisms like ameoba, bacteria and all will do <BR>> to <BR>> &=
gt; > attain moksha? Arent they also living organisms? (He has done his =
<BR>>
> > research in Bio Informatics, hence his priority to bact=
eria and <BR>> > > ameoba). He said, if what I am saying is correc=
t, only human <BR>> beings <BR>> > > will be evolved and other =
organisms will never attain moksha. I <BR>> was <BR>> > > breat=
hless for a moment and did not know how to answer him. I <BR>> really <B=
R>> > > felt sad (and ashamed, because I thought I could answer al=
l <BR>> questions <BR>> > > related to the mystery of life) tha=
t I couldnt answer him. His <BR>> > > question seemed stupid, but =
when I thought of it, isnt that a <BR>> valid <BR>> > > questio=
n?<BR>> > > <BR>> > > His question gave me a sleepless ni=
ght. I thought a lot about it. <BR>> If <BR>> > > the whole wor=
ld as a maya exist only in human's mind (as per my <BR>> > > under=
standing, our mind creates this world, when through yoga, <BR>> > >=
;
mind/ego collapse happens, there is no world or anything and we <BR>>=
> > submerge as oneness in the omnipotent power), if it is a creatio=
n <BR>> of <BR>> > > mind, then there should not be any world w=
hen the human species <BR>> is <BR>> > > extinct. Right? <BR>&g=
t; > > <BR>> > > I dont know if I have convey my doubt clear=
ly. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Would you be able to share =
your knowledge on this? <BR>> > > <BR>> > > (I am asking =
you because, you were instrumental (though <BR>> unknowingly) <BR>> &=
gt; > in opening the wide horizon of spiritual knowledge to me years <BR=
>> back <BR>> > > through just one reply to one of my questions=
related to <BR>> Kundalini. I <BR>> > > am always indebted to =
you for that and now I realise how stupid <BR>> my <BR>> > > qu=
estions were at that time.) <BR>> > > <BR>> > > With
Res=
pects,<BR>> > > Jyothi<BR></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></=
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I wanted to do the Ganapathi homa but haven't=
started yet. To do the Homa will be easy if=A0 we are well versed in the m=
antras used. I can recite the Ganapathi Atharvahsirsham as I do=A0recite it=
=A0daily & have learned by constantly listening to the audio. Thus I kindly=
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can be concentrated on.
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style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Adarniya Guruji Namaskar,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I wanted to do the Ganapathi homa but haven't started yet. To do the Homa will
be easy if we are well versed in the mantras used. I can recite the Ganapathi
Atharvahsirsham as I do recite it daily & have learned by constantly listening to
the audio. Thus I kindly request you to please, if you can spare some time out of
your busy schedule, to create MP3 of only the mantras used in the Homa excluding
the commentary. By constantly listening to the mantras it will be easier to learn &
do the Homa. I think this will be helpful to all those who have not done Homa
themselves (including me). Once the mantras are perfect that the procedure can be
concentrated on. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regards</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Vinayak P Tandle</DIV></td></tr></table><br>
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Namaste Tijana,
Thank you for a nice exposition. What you wrote is well-t=

aken.
> That is why chastity and bramacarya has always been

> considered =
the highest virtue. No YOga can happen without chastity.
That is absolute=
ly correct. Brahmacharya and control of one's sexual thoughts is quite need=
ed to make spiritual progress.
If anybody maintains brahmacharya for one =

year while performing a 45 minute homam everyday or meditating with Gayatri=
mantra (or some other mantra) for 3 hours everyday, definitely he/she will=
cross some important hurdles and make some good progress.
> It is clear =
why it is even more important for women to be chaste and
> pious considerin=
g the strength of Moon and Venus in her body-gross and
> causal.
Chastity=
and brahmacharya are *equally important* for men and women to make spiritu=
al progress. But the level of difficulty one experiences in controlling the=
mind depends on various factors such as gender and, more importantly, ment=
al conditioning acquired from previous lives.
> At least, Somannath dreka=

na should be checked for the period of poojas
> to see how the dasas suppor=
t celibacy vow that is usually required in
> the cases of sadhanas whose ai=
m is spiritual elevation.
Well, two relevant points:
(1) The astrology=

we know and understand is imperfect without a doubt. Even knowledge taught=
unambiguously by Maharshi Parasara is so misunderstood in this age. Then w=
hat to speak of knowledge not found in the available teachings of Parasara =
and available in the "secrets" of various paramparas? It is quite prone to =
corruptions and misunderstanding. Can we *rely* on it?
(2) Astrology, eve=

n when understood perfectly, only predicts the predisposition at a given ti=
me due to the dynamics of *previous* actions (karmas). The dynamics of prev=
ious actions decides under what kind of circumstances one has to operate no=
w. Those circumstances can place *limitations* on what actions can be perfo=
rmed *now*. Depending on the seriousness of previous actions deciding the c=
urrent circumstances, the limitations can be either mere challenges or seri=
ous handicaps. But, in most cases, there are multiple actions possible curr=
ently. Horoscope only decides the situations faced now. The actions perform=
ed *now* are based on *free will* exerted now, which is NOT captured by the=
horoscope.
If there is one good thing to use free will for, spiritual pr=
ogress is definitely *the* thing. One should push one's free will to the ex=
treme when it comes to spiritual progress. It is worth it! Forget somanatha=
drekkana and other tenets of astrology. When the inspiration comes from wi=
thin, just boldly take a vow, pray to god and your guru (if you have no gur=
u, think of me or my Guru Dr Manish Pandit) and do your best to keep the vo=
w.
* * *
Even if one cannot keep brahmacharya, one can st=

ill do spiritual practices like homam and japam. It will atleast keep one f=
loating (i.e. not sinking). Basically, one will keep accumulating shakti (p=
urity) and keep consuming it. So purification is slow. But atleast there is=
no further impurification. With brahmacharya, one can actually start accum=
ulating shakti and purify oneself much faster.
* * *
Rega=
rding women doing sadhanas:
A great Vedic scholar known as Upasani mahara=

j lived at the time of Shirdi Sai Baba, about 100 years back. He was learne=
d in several Vedas and Upanishads and did tremendous sadhana. Once he reali=
zed Self, he threw away his orthodoxy and went against the customs of the t=
ime boldly. He went and lived in Harijanwada (untouchables colony), swept t=
he floors there and forced the Brahmins from Brahmanawada (Brahmins colony)=
who revered him highly to come *there* if they wanted to see him! He opene=
d a Vedic school for women and taught them chanting Vedic mantras and perfo=
rming traditional yajnas. He gave women of all births sacred thread and ini=
tiated them into vedic mantras and yajnas.
When Shridi Sai Baba saw him o=

neday, he said "Upasani is God Himself. Today we will do pooja to Upasani!"=
and made his disciples do a pooja to Upasani maharaj.
A temple run by wo=

men stands in the place of Upasani maharaj, a few miles away from Shirdi. I=
f anyone goes to Shirdi, it is a good idea to go to that temple. Though it =
has no rush, it has very nice energy. It is a great place to meditate.
Al=
so, Krishna temple at Alandi near Pune where Sant Jnaneshwar Maharaj went i=
nto underground samadhi 700 years back (believed to be there even now) has =
a tremendous level of spiritual energy. It is also a great place for produc=
tive meditation.
Best regards,
Narasimha
--------------------------------=
----------------------------------
Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.Ve=
ger.org/tarpana
Fr=
ee Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
Free Jyotish s=
) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
------------------------------------=
------------------------------
--- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "Tijana D=

amjanovic" <tijanadamjanovic@...> wrote:
>
> om krishna guru
> Dear Ana and=
other members of the thread,
>
> Difference exists and it makes the world=
go round, which is perfectly
> fine. After it is understood properly, no p=
ots and pans will be needed
> to define anyones role or place under the sun=
...that shines the same
> to one and all. :)
> Shrimad Devi Bhagavatam (one=
of the Upapuranas) states that sexual
> urge is much stronger in the case =
of women. This is not surprising as
> sexual urge is produced and governed =
by the liquid fluctuation in the
> body (watter, blood, semen and hormones =
in the first place). This
> fluctuation is much higher in woman`s body due =
to the predominance of
> jala tatva in her body governed by planets Moon an=
d Venus. These two
> planets are also responsible for the producing of the =
ojas (the
> finniest energetic product of our body that makes the brain fun=
ction
> properly, it is often understood as a vigor, vitality and procreati=
ve
> power). In general, this means that women can produce more ojas than m=
an.
> How is this related to poojas and spirituality?
> Sexual energy, or s=
exual thoughts, are being transformed into ojas in
> the process of yoga. T=
he process of yoga as one of its aim has lifting
> of the ojas from its sto=
rage in the primal chakra and its storing in
> the brain. The more ojas in =
the brain the prettier, smarter and more
> spiritual we are. But this lifti=
ng of the ojas can be done ONLY by
> chaste ones. That is why chastity and =
bramacarya has always been
> considered the highest virtue. No YOga can hap=
pen without chastity. It
> is clear why it is even more important for women=
to be chaste and
> pious considering the strength of Moon and Venus in her=
body-gross and
> causal.
> Without chastity, yogic pratice can lead into a=
mental disorder as
> ojas and prana directly influence the work of the bra=
in centres. Thus
> it is crucial how demanding and serious the homam or poo=
ja in
> question, or any other, is. Prohibition during the monthly cycle is=
> based upon this also-increasing of the jala tatva and the sexual urge.
>=
At least, Somannath drekana should be checked for the period of poojas
> t=
o see how the dasas support celibacy vow that is usually required in
> the =
cases of sadhanas whose aim is spiritual elevation.
> The approaches to th=
e final truth may be numerous and different, but
> all of them must find th=
eir path through the Sushumna. The one who
> claims that this path is hidde=
n or blocked to women simply lacks ojas
> in his/her brain.
> Regards,
> Ti=
jana Damjanovic
>
> P.S. Ana, odakle si?
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">
<STYLE></STYLE=
>
</HEAD>
Tijana,</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thank you for a nice exposition. What you =
wrote is
well-taken.</FONT></DIV>
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> That is why chastity and=
bramacarya has always
been<BR>> considered the highest virtue. No YOga=
can happen without
chastity.</FONT></DIV>
2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That is absolutely c=
orrect. Brahmacharya and
control of one's sexual thoughts is quite needed =
to make spiritual
progress.</FONT></DIV>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If anybody maintains b=
rahmacharya for one year
while performing a 45 minute homam everyday or me=
ditating with Gayatri mantra
(or some other mantra) for 3 hours every=
day, definitely he/she will cross
some important hurdles and make some goo=
d progress.</FONT></DIV>
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> It is clear why it is even more im=
portant for
women to be chaste and<BR>> pious considering the strength =
of Moon and Venus
in her body-gross and<BR>> causal.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>=
e=3D2>Chastity and brahmacharya are *equally important*
for men and women =
to make spiritual progress. But the level of difficulty one
experiences in=
controlling the mind depends on various factors such as gender
and, more =
importantly, mental conditioning acquired from previous
lives.</FONT>=
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>> At least, Somannath drekana should be checked
for t=
he period of poojas<BR>> to see how the dasas support celibacy vow that =
is usually required in<BR>> the cases of sadhanas whose aim is spiritua=

l
elevation. </FONT><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<D=
IV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well, two relevant points:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
ze=3D2>(1) The astrology we know and understand is
imperfect without a dou=
bt. Even knowledge taught unambiguously by Maharshi
Parasara is so misunde=
rstood in this age. Then what to speak of knowledge not
found in the avail=
able teachings of Parasara and available in the "secrets" of
various param=
paras? It is quite prone to corruptions and
misunderstanding. Ca=
n we *rely* on it?</FONT></DIV>
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(2) Astrology, even when underst=
ood perfectly, only
predicts the predisposition at a given time due to the=
dynamics of *previous*
actions (karmas). The dynamics of previous actions=
decides under what kind of
circumstances one has to operate now. Those ci=
rcumstances can place
*limitations* on what actions can be performed *now*=
. Depending on the
seriousness of previous actions deciding the current ci=
rcumstances, the
limitations can be either mere challenges or serious hand=
icaps. But, in most
cases, there are multiple actions possible currently. =
Horoscope only decides the
situations faced now. The actions performed *no=
w* are based on *free will*
exerted now, which is NOT captured by the horo=
scope.</FONT></DIV>
<D=
IV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If there is one good thing to use free will =
for,
spiritual progress is definitely *the* thing. One should push one's f=
ree will to
the extreme when it comes to spiritual progress. It is worth i=
t! Forget
somanatha drekkana and other tenets of astrology. When the inspi=
ration comes
from within, just boldly take a vow, pray to god and your gur=
u (if you have no
guru, think of me or my Guru Dr Manish Pandit) and do yo=
ur best to keep the
vow.</FONT></DIV>
sp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial
size=
=3D2>*
* =
*</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Even if one =
cannot keep brahmacharya, one can still do spiritual practices
like homam =
and japam. It will atleast keep one floating (i.e. not sinking).
Basically=
, one will keep accumulating shakti (purity) and keep consuming it. So
pur=
ification is slow. But atleast there is no further impurification. With
br=
ahmacharya, one can actually start accumulating shakti and purify oneself m=
uch
faster.</DIV>
p;
* &nbs=
p; *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
>Regarding women doing sadhanas:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></FONT></DIV></FONT=
><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A great Vedic
scholar known as Upasani mahara=
j lived at the time of Shirdi Sai Baba, about 100
years back. He was learn=
ed in several Vedas and Upanishads and did tremendous
sadhana. Once he rea=
lized Self, he threw away his orthodoxy and went against the
customs of th=
e time boldly. He went and lived in Harijanwada (untouchables
colony), swe=
pt the floors there and forced the Brahmins from Brahmanawada
(Brahmins co=
lony) who revered him highly to come *there* if they wanted to
see hi=
m! He opened a Vedic school for women and taught them chanting Vedic
mantr=
as and performing traditional yajnas. He gave women of all births sacred
t=
hread and initiated them into vedic mantras and yajnas.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
=3D2>When Shridi Sai Baba saw him oneday, he said
"Upasani is God Himself.=
Today we will do pooja to Upasani!" and made his
disciples do a pooja to =
Upasani maharaj.</FONT></DIV>
></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A temple run by women stands in th=
e place of
Upasani maharaj, a few miles away from Shirdi. If anyone goes t=
o Shirdi, it is a
good idea to go to that temple. Though it has no rush, i=
t has very nice energy.
It is a great place to meditate.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
ze=3D2>Also, Krishna temple at Alandi near Pune where Sant
Jnaneshwar Maha=
raj went into underground samadhi 700 years back (believed to be
there eve=
n now) has a tremendous level of spiritual energy. It is also a great
plac=
e for productive meditation.</FONT></DIV>
</FONT></DIV>
regards,<BR>Nara=
simha<BR>------------------------------------------------------------------=
<BR>Do
homam">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</A><BR>Do
elf: <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana">http://www.VedicAs=
trologer.org/tarpana</A><BR>Spirituality:
<A
com/group/vedic-wisdom">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom</A><BR>F=
ree
href=3D"http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net"=
>http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net</A><BR>Free
Jyotish software (Windows)=
: <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org">http://www.VedicAstrologer.or=
g</A><BR>Sri
annath.org">http://www.SriJagannath.org</A><BR>----------------------------=
--------------------------------------
<BR> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2>--- In <A
href=3D"mailto:sohamsa@yahoogroups.com">so=
hamsa@yahoogroups.com</A>, "Tijana
Damjanovic" <tijanadamjanovic@...>=
; wrote:<BR>><BR>> om krishna
guru<BR>> Dear Ana and other member=
s of the thread,<BR>> <BR>>
Difference exists and it makes the world=
go round, which is perfectly<BR>>
fine. After it is understood properl=
y, no pots and pans will be needed<BR>>
to define anyones role or place=
under the sun...that shines the same<BR>> to
one and all. :)<BR>> S=
hrimad Devi Bhagavatam (one of the Upapuranas) states
that sexual<BR>> =
urge is much stronger in the case of women. This is not
surprising as<BR>&=
gt; sexual urge is produced and governed by the liquid
fluctuation in the<=
BR>> body (watter, blood, semen and hormones in the first
place). This<=
BR>> fluctuation is much higher in woman`s body due to the
predominance=
of<BR>> jala tatva in her body governed by planets Moon and
Venus. The=
se two<BR>> planets are also responsible for the producing of the
ojas =
(the<BR>> finniest energetic product of our body that makes the brain
f=
unction<BR>> properly, it is often understood as a vigor, vitality and
=
procreative<BR>> power). In general, this means that women can produce m=
ore
ojas than man.<BR>> How is this related to poojas and spirituality?=
<BR>>
Sexual energy, or sexual thoughts, are being transformed into oja=
s in<BR>>
the process of yoga. The process of yoga as one of its aim ha=
s lifting<BR>>
of the ojas from its storage in the primal chakra and it=
s storing in<BR>> the
brain. The more ojas in the brain the prettier, s=
marter and more<BR>>
spiritual we are. But this lifting of the ojas can=
be done ONLY by<BR>>
chaste ones. That is why chastity and bramacarya =
has always been<BR>>
considered the highest virtue. No YOga can happen =
without chastity. It<BR>>
is clear why it is even more important for wo=
men to be chaste and<BR>> pious
considering the strength of Moon and Ve=
nus in her body-gross and<BR>>
causal.<BR>> Without chastity, yogic =
pratice can lead into a mental disorder
as<BR>> ojas and prana directly=
influence the work of the brain centres.
Thus<BR>> it is crucial how d=
emanding and serious the homam or pooja
in<BR>> question, or any other,=
is. Prohibition during the monthly cycle
is<BR>> based upon this also-=
increasing of the jala tatva and the sexual
urge.<BR>> At least, Somann=
ath drekana should be checked for the period of
poojas<BR>> to see how =
the dasas support celibacy vow that is usually
required in<BR>> the cas=
es of sadhanas whose aim is spiritual elevation.
<BR>> The approaches t=
o the final truth may be numerous and different,
but<BR>> all of them m=
ust find their path through the Sushumna. The one
who<BR>> claims that =
this path is hidden or blocked to women simply lacks
ojas<BR>> in his/h=
er brain.<BR>> Regards,<BR>> Tijana
Damjanovic<BR>> <BR>> P.S.=
Ana, odakle si?<BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Dear Tijana & other members,
YES..If we go by the words of 'realised great=

s', there is NO
Alternative to Brahmacharya (mainly Sexual energy part of =
Brahmacharya).
Swami Vivekananda Says in Rajyoga that complete abstinence=

from Sex
is a must.
he also mentions in one of his books dedicated to 'W=

oman' that
Marraiges are primarily a Facility provided to weak people.
I =
am convinced that Brahmacharya is a the penultimate goal for
Spiritual peo=
ple. without that one will not progress much.
some time back i uploaded 'M=

anual of Brahacharya' in file section of
Vedic-Wisdom group. It is written=
by Swami Sivananda. It is worth
reading. nay.. it is a MUST reading.
Bes=
t Regards,
Utpal
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R.=

Rao"
<pvr@...> wrote:
>
> Namaste Tijana,
>
> Thank you for a nice expo=
sition. What you wrote is well-taken.
>
> > That is why chastity and bram=
acarya has always been
> > considered the highest virtue. No YOga can happe=
n without
chastity.
>
> That is absolutely correct. Brahmacharya and con=
trol of one's
sexual thoughts is quite needed to make spiritual progress.
=
>
> If anybody maintains brahmacharya for one year while performing a
45=
minute homam everyday or meditating with Gayatri mantra (or some
other ma=
ntra) for 3 hours everyday, definitely he/she will cross
some important hu=
rdles and make some good progress.
>
> > It is clear why it is even more =
important for women to be chaste
and
> > pious considering the strength of=
Moon and Venus in her body-
gross and
> > causal.
>
> Chastity and brahm=
acharya are *equally important* for men and
women to make spiritual progre=
ss. But the level of difficulty one
experiences in controlling the mind de=
pends on various factors such
as gender and, more importantly, mental cond=
itioning acquired from
previous lives.
>
> > At least, Somannath drekana=
should be checked for the period of
poojas
> > to see how the dasas suppo=
rt celibacy vow that is usually
required in
> > the cases of sadhanas whos=
e aim is spiritual elevation.
>
> Well, two relevant points:
>
> (1) T=
he astrology we know and understand is imperfect without a
doubt. Even kno=
wledge taught unambiguously by Maharshi Parasara is
so misunderstood in th=
is age. Then what to speak of knowledge not
found in the available teachin=
gs of Parasara and available in
the "secrets" of various paramparas? It is=
quite prone to
corruptions and misunderstanding. Can we *rely* on it?
> =
> (2) Astrology, even when understood perfectly, only predicts the
predis=
position at a given time due to the dynamics of *previous*
actions (karmas=
). The dynamics of previous actions decides under
what kind of circumstanc=
es one has to operate now. Those
circumstances can place *limitations* on =
what actions can be
performed *now*. Depending on the seriousness of previ=
ous actions
deciding the current circumstances, the limitations can be eit=
her
mere challenges or serious handicaps. But, in most cases, there are
m=
ultiple actions possible currently. Horoscope only decides the
situations =
faced now. The actions performed *now* are based on *free
will* exerted no=
w, which is NOT captured by the horoscope.
>
> If there is one good thing=
to use free will for, spiritual
progress is definitely *the* thing. One s=
hould push one's free will
to the extreme when it comes to spiritual progr=
ess. It is worth it!
Forget somanatha drekkana and other tenets of astrolo=
gy. When the
inspiration comes from within, just boldly take a vow, pray t=
o god
and your guru (if you have no guru, think of me or my Guru Dr Manish=
Pandit) and do your best to keep the vow.

>
> * * *
>
>=
Even if one cannot keep brahmacharya, one can still do spiritual
practice=
s like homam and japam. It will atleast keep one floating
(i.e. not sinkin=
g). Basically, one will keep accumulating shakti
(purity) and keep consumi=
ng it. So purification is slow. But atleast
there is no further impurifica=
tion. With brahmacharya, one can
actually start accumulating shakti and pu=
rify oneself much faster.
>
> * * *
>
> Regarding women d=
oing sadhanas:
>
> A great Vedic scholar known as Upasani maharaj lived a=
t the time
of Shirdi Sai Baba, about 100 years back. He was learned in sev=
eral
Vedas and Upanishads and did tremendous sadhana. Once he realized
Se=
lf, he threw away his orthodoxy and went against the customs of
the time b=
oldly. He went and lived in Harijanwada (untouchables
colony), swept the f=
loors there and forced the Brahmins from
Brahmanawada (Brahmins colony) wh=
o revered him highly to come
*there* if they wanted to see him! He opened =
a Vedic school for
women and taught them chanting Vedic mantras and perfor=
ming
traditional yajnas. He gave women of all births sacred thread and
in=
itiated them into vedic mantras and yajnas.
>
> When Shridi Sai Baba saw =
him oneday, he said "Upasani is God
Himself. Today we will do pooja to Upa=
sani!" and made his disciples
do a pooja to Upasani maharaj.
>
> A templ=
e run by women stands in the place of Upasani maharaj, a
few miles away fr=
om Shirdi. If anyone goes to Shirdi, it is a good
idea to go to that templ=
e. Though it has no rush, it has very nice
energy. It is a great place to =
meditate.
>
> Also, Krishna temple at Alandi near Pune where Sant Jnanesh=
war
Maharaj went into underground samadhi 700 years back (believed to be
=
there even now) has a tremendous level of spiritual energy. It is
also a g=
reat place for productive meditation.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> ---=
---------------------------------------------------------------
> Do a Shor=
t Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
> Do Pitri Tarpanas =
> Spirituality: http://gro=
ups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedic=
astro.home.comcast.net
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strologer.org
> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath=
.org
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
=
>
> --- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "Tijana Damjanovic"
<tijanadamjanovi=
c@> wrote:
> >
> > om krishna guru
> > Dear Ana and other members of the th=
read,
> >
> > Difference exists and it makes the world go round, which is =
perfectly
> > fine. After it is understood properly, no pots and pans will=
be
needed
> > to define anyones role or place under the sun...that shines=
the
same
> > to one and all. :)
> > Shrimad Devi Bhagavatam (one of the U=
papuranas) states that
sexual
> > urge is much stronger in the case of wom=
en. This is not
surprising as
> > sexual urge is produced and governed by =
the liquid fluctuation
in the
> > body (watter, blood, semen and hormones =
> > fluctuation is much higher in woman`s body du=
e to the
predominance of
> > jala tatva in her body governed by planets Mo=
on and Venus. These
two
> > planets are also responsible for the producing=
of the ojas (the
> > finniest energetic product of our body that makes the=
brain
function
> > properly, it is often understood as a vigor, vitality =
and
procreative
> > power). In general, this means that women can produce =
more ojas
than man.
> > How is this related to poojas and spirituality?
> =
> Sexual energy, or sexual thoughts, are being transformed into
ojas in
> =
> the process of yoga. The process of yoga as one of its aim has
lifting
>=
> of the ojas from its storage in the primal chakra and its
storing in
> =
> the brain. The more ojas in the brain the prettier, smarter and
more
> >=
spiritual we are. But this lifting of the ojas can be done ONLY
by
> > ch=
aste ones. That is why chastity and bramacarya has always been
> > consider=
ed the highest virtue. No YOga can happen without
chastity. It
> > is clea=
r why it is even more important for women to be chaste and
> > pious consid=
ering the strength of Moon and Venus in her body-
gross and
> > causal.
> >=
Without chastity, yogic pratice can lead into a mental disorder
as
> > oj=
as and prana directly influence the work of the brain centres.
Thus
> > it=
is crucial how demanding and serious the homam or pooja in
> > question, o=
r any other, is. Prohibition during the monthly cycle
is
> > based upon th=
is also-increasing of the jala tatva and the sexual
urge.
> > At least, So=
mannath drekana should be checked for the period of
poojas
> > to see how =
the dasas support celibacy vow that is usually
required in
> > the cases o=
f sadhanas whose aim is spiritual elevation.
> > The approaches to the fin=
al truth may be numerous and different,
but
> > all of them must find thei=
r path through the Sushumna. The one
who
> > claims that this path is hidd=
en or blocked to women simply lacks
ojas
> > in his/her brain.
> > Regards=
,
> > Tijana Damjanovic
> >
> > P.S. Ana, odakle si?
>

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Namaste to all
i loved the article on Importance of brahamcharya

and simil=
arly i loved these topics in book AGHORA
but i have one serious question
=
there too much strenghth is given on Guru
but somebody please tell me what =
one should do
if he doesn;t have a Guru
Ok i may not have done some good =

work in my past life
that i should a guru quickly
bcoz untill i don't becom=
e pure no Guru would accept me
and untill i get a guru, i ll never become p=
ure
so.its a vicious circle
and when i hear be patient you ll find your Gu=

ru when time will
come i wonder if chang dev maharaj had to wait for so man=
y
years to get his guru and though he was a capable person
who could live=
for so many years evading death(i think 1400 years)
what if i forget abou=
t spirituality in the next
10-15 years(or something wierd happens to my th=
inking style),
leave about forgetting it in next births
and i m not an ad=

vanced Jyotishi and
i have no confidence on my calculations
and i cant fin=
d out my ishta devata
so in the end its too confusing

(may be that MOTHE=
R wants me too struggle at present)
but yes i liked th line written by nar=

simha ji
""If there is one good thing to use free will for, spiritual
progr=
ess is definitely *the* thing. One should push one's free will
to the extre=
me when it comes to spiritual progress. It is worth it!""
So, bearing with=

my confusions please ignore it
if you find it disturbing
regards
jitender=

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Dear Jitendra,
>there too much strenghth is given on Guru
>but somebody pl=
ease tell me what one should do
>if he doesn;t have a Guru
My opinion for =
the crucial question you asked - one need not worry,
need not despair, nee=
d not feel dejected if one don't have Guru. one
must not be in any hurry t=
o make Guru. one needs to commit one's
self to spiritual Sadhana. sincerel=
y, dedicatedly. crux of the
matter is to purify one's heart. to calm one's=
mind. Chitta Shudhhi
must be done. GURU will come to You when you are rea=
dy.
that is my conviction. When i am ready, my guru will come and even

if=
some physical entity as Guru never comes, i am not doomed.it
won't stop m=
e from getting the realisation of the self.
Best Regards,
Utpal
--- In =
vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "dahiyajiten" <dahiyajiten@...>
wrote:
>
> N=
amaste to all
>
> i loved the article on Importance of brahamcharya
> and =
similarly i loved these topics in book AGHORA
>
> but i have one serious q=
uestion
>
> there too much strenghth is given on Guru
> but somebody pleas=
e tell me what one should do
> if he doesn;t have a Guru
>
> Ok i may not=
have done some good work in my past life
> that i should a guru quickly
> =
bcoz untill i don't become pure no Guru would accept me
> and untill i get =
a guru, i ll never become pure
> so.its a vicious circle
>
> and when i he=
ar be patient you ll find your Guru when time will
> come i wonder if chang=
dev maharaj had to wait for so many
> years to get his guru and though he=
was a capable person
> who could live for so many years evading death(i t=
hink 1400 years)
> what if i forget about spirituality in the next
> 10-1=
5 years(or something wierd happens to my thinking style),
> leave about fo=
rgetting it in next births
>
> and i m not an advanced Jyotishi and
> i h=
ave no confidence on my calculations
> and i cant find out my ishta devata =
>
> so in the end its too confusing
> (may be that MOTHER wants me too s=
truggle at present)
>
> but yes i liked th line written by narsimha ji
> "=
"If there is one good thing to use free will for, spiritual
> progress is d=
efinitely *the* thing. One should push one's free will
> to the extreme whe=
n it comes to spiritual progress. It is worth
it!""
>
> So, bearing with =
my confusions please ignore it
> if you find it disturbing
>
> regards
> j=
itender
>

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Dear Sir
=C2=A0
That was another great chain of mails about brahmacharya. =
The paragraph you wrote about about pushing free will to the extreme is so =
true!
=C2=A0
It reminds me of a personal incident. About=C2=A0two years ba=
ck, I had the chance coincidental meeting with a man, a yogi, and possibly =
the most spiritually advanced being I have met till date.
Those days I was=
furious trying to learn jyotish and apply it whereever i can for ever act =
I can. When I=C2=A0prostrated=C2=A0infront of =C2=A0him, he asked me a ques=
tion which I found very intriguing. He said, "what if you show you chart to=
the greatest living astrologer on earth and he says, seeing the chart, tha=
t however hard you try you wont be able to make any significant spiritual p=
rogress, will you stop your puja-paath?"..
That question really confused me=
then and it still does quite often. That is why that sentence of yours gav=
e me a clue to what the answer might be. Chart or no chart, I still have so=
me freewill, that is what I believe.
=C2=A0
Happy janmasthami!
=C2=A0
-Rega=
rds
=C2=A0Rajarshi
=
--- On Sat, 23/8/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrote:
From: N=
arasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Importance of=
Brahmacharya
To: sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, si=
vacharya@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 23 August, 2008, 7:13 AM
Na=
maste Tijana,
=C2=A0
Thank you for a nice exposition. What you wrote is wel=
l-taken.
=C2=A0
> That is why chastity and bramacarya has always been
> con=
sidered the highest virtue. No YOga can happen without chastity.
=C2=A0
Tha=
t is absolutely correct. Brahmacharya and control of one's sexual thoughts =
is quite needed to make spiritual progress.
=C2=A0
If anybody maintains bra=
hmacharya for one year while performing a 45 minute homam everyday or medit=
ating with Gayatri mantra (or some other mantra) for=C2=A03 hours everyday,=
definitely he/she will cross some important hurdles and make some good pro=
gress.
=C2=A0
> It is clear why it is even more important for women to be c=
haste and
> pious considering the strength of Moon and Venus in her body-gr=
oss and
> causal.
=C2=A0
Chastity and brahmacharya are *equally important* =
for men and women to make spiritual progress. But the level of difficulty o=
ne experiences in controlling the mind depends on various factors such as g=
ender and, more importantly,=C2=A0mental conditioning acquired from previou=
s lives.
=C2=A0
> At least, Somannath drekana should be checked for the per=
iod of poojas
> to see how the dasas support celibacy vow that is usually r=
equired in
> the cases of sadhanas whose aim is spiritual elevation.
=C2=
=A0
Well, two relevant points:
=C2=A0
(1) The astrology we know and underst=
and is imperfect without a doubt. Even knowledge taught unambiguously by Ma=
harshi Parasara is so misunderstood in this age. Then what to speak of know=
ledge not found in the available teachings of Parasara and available in the=
"secrets" of various paramparas? It is quite prone to=C2=A0corruptions and=
misunderstanding.=C2=A0Can we *rely* on it?
=C2=A0
(2) Astrology, even whe=
n understood perfectly, only predicts the predisposition at a given time du=
e to the dynamics of *previous* actions (karmas). The dynamics of previous =
actions decides under what kind of circumstances one has to operate now. Th=
ose circumstances can place *limitations* on what actions can be performed =
*now*. Depending on the seriousness of previous actions deciding the curren=
t circumstances, the limitations can be either mere challenges or serious h=
andicaps. But, in most cases, there are multiple actions possible currently=
. Horoscope only decides the situations faced now. The actions performed *n=
ow* are based on *free will* exerted now, which is NOT captured by the horo=
scope.
=C2=A0
If there is one good thing to use free will for, spiritual pr=
ogress is definitely *the* thing. One should push one's free will to the ex=
treme when it comes to spiritual progress. It is worth it! Forget somanatha=
drekkana and other tenets of astrology. When the inspiration comes from wi=
thin, just boldly take a vow, pray to god and your guru (if you have no gur=
u, think of me or my Guru Dr Manish Pandit) and do your best to keep the vo=
w.
=C2=A0
*=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *
=C2=A0
Even if one cannot keep brahmacharya, on=
e can still do spiritual practices like homam and japam. It will atleast ke=
ep one floating (i.e. not sinking). Basically, one will keep accumulating s=
hakti (purity) and keep consuming it. So purification is slow. But atleast =
there is no further impurification. With brahmacharya, one can actually sta=
rt accumulating shakti and purify oneself much faster.
=C2=A0
*=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 *
=C2=A0
Regarding women doing sadhanas:
=C2=A0A great Vedic scholar kn=
own as Upasani maharaj lived at the time of Shirdi Sai Baba, about 100 year=
s back. He was learned in several Vedas and Upanishads and did tremendous s=
adhana. Once he realized Self, he threw away his orthodoxy and went against=
the customs of the time boldly. He went and lived in Harijanwada (untoucha=
bles colony), swept the floors there and forced the Brahmins from Brahmanaw=
ada (Brahmins colony) who revered him highly to come *there* if=C2=A0they w=
anted to see him! He opened a Vedic school for women and taught them chanti=
ng Vedic mantras and performing traditional yajnas. He gave women of all bi=
rths sacred thread and initiated them into vedic mantras and yajnas.
=C2=A0=
When Shridi Sai Baba saw him oneday, he said "Upasani is God Himself. Toda=
y we will do pooja to Upasani!" and made his disciples do a pooja to Upasan=
i maharaj.
=C2=A0
A temple run by women stands in the place of Upasani maha=
raj, a few miles away from Shirdi. If anyone goes to Shirdi, it is a good i=
dea to go to that temple. Though it has no rush, it has very nice energy. I=
t is a great place to meditate.
=C2=A0
Also, Krishna temple at Alandi near =
Pune where Sant Jnaneshwar Maharaj went into underground samadhi 700 years =
back (believed to be there even now) has a tremendous level of spiritual en=
ergy. It is also a great place for productive meditation.
=C2=A0
Best regar=
ds,
Narasimha
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--- In sohamsa@yahoogroups .com, "Tijana D=
amjanovic" <tijanadamjanovic@ ...> wrote:
>
> om krishna guru
> Dear Ana an=
d other members of the thread,
>
> Difference exists and it makes the worl=
d go round, which is perfectly
> fine. After it is understood properly, no =
pots and pans will be needed
> to define anyones role or place under the su=
n...that shines the same
> to one and all. :)
> Shrimad Devi Bhagavatam (on=
e of the Upapuranas) states that sexual
> urge is much stronger in the case=
of women. This is not surprising as
> sexual urge is produced and governed=
by the liquid fluctuation in the
> body (watter, blood, semen and hormones=
> fluctuation is much higher in woman`s body due=
to the predominance of
> jala tatva in her body governed by planets Moon a=
nd Venus. These two
> planets are also responsible for the producing of the=
ojas (the
> finniest energetic product of our body that makes the brain fu=
nction
> properly, it is often understood as a vigor, vitality and procreat=
ive
> power). In general, this means that women can produce more ojas than =
man.
> How is this related to poojas and spirituality?
> Sexual energy, or =
sexual thoughts, are being transformed into ojas in
> the process of yoga. =
The process of yoga as one of its aim has lifting
> of the ojas from its st=
orage in the primal chakra and its storing in
> the brain. The more ojas in=
the brain the prettier, smarter and more
> spiritual we are. But this lift=
ing of the ojas can be done ONLY by
> chaste ones. That is why chastity and=
> considered the highest virtue. No YOga can ha=
ppen without chastity. It
> is clear why it is even more important for wome=
n to be chaste and
> pious considering the strength of Moon and Venus in he=
r body-gross and
> causal.
> Without chastity, yogic pratice can lead into =
a mental disorder as
> ojas and prana directly influence the work of the br=
ain centres. Thus
> it is crucial how demanding and serious the homam or po=
oja in
> question, or any other, is. Prohibition during the monthly cycle i=
s
> based upon this also-increasing of the jala tatva and the sexual urge.
=
> At least, Somannath drekana should be checked for the period of poojas
> =
to see how the dasas support celibacy vow that is usually required in
> the=
cases of sadhanas whose aim is spiritual elevation.
> The approaches to t=
he final truth may be numerous and different, but
> all of them must find t=
heir path through the Sushumna. The one who
> claims that this path is hidd=
en or blocked to women simply lacks ojas
> in his/her brain.
> Regards,
> T=
ijana Damjanovic
>
> P.S. Ana, odakle si?
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV><BR>Dear Sir</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DI=
V>That was another great chain of mails about brahmacharya. The paragraph y=
ou wrote about about pushing free will to the extreme is so true! </DIV>
<D=
IV> </DIV>
<DIV>It reminds me of a personal incident. About two y=
ears back, I had the chance coincidental meeting with a man, a yogi, and po=
ssibly the most spiritually advanced being I have met till date. </DIV>
<DI=
V>Those days I was furious trying to learn jyotish and apply it whereever i=
can for ever act I can. When I prostrated infront of him, =
he asked me a question which I found very intriguing. He said, "what if you=
show you chart to the greatest living astrologer on earth and he says, see=
ing the chart, that however hard you try you wont be able to make any signi=
ficant spiritual progress, will you stop your puja-paath?"..</DIV>
<DIV>Tha=
t question really confused me then and it still does quite often. That is w=
hy that sentence of yours gave me a clue to what the answer might be. Chart=
or no chart, I still have some freewill, that is what I believe.</DIV>
<DI=
V> </DIV>
<DIV>Happy janmasthami!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-Regard=
s<BR> Rajarshi</DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG>=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This ab=
ove all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG=
></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 23/8/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr=
@...></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px;=
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Narasimha P=
.V.R. Rao <pvr@...><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Importance of =
Brahmacharya<BR>To: sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, =
sivacharya@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Saturday, 23 August, 2008, 7:13 AM<BR><=
BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv2066576804>
<DIV>
rial size=3D2>Namaste Tijana,</FONT></DIV>
> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thank you for a nice =
exposition. What you wrote is well-taken.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> That=
is why chastity and bramacarya has always been<BR>> considered the high=
est virtue. No YOga can happen without chastity.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Th=
at is absolutely correct. Brahmacharya and control of one's sexual thoughts=
is quite needed to make spiritual progress.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If a=
nybody maintains brahmacharya for one year while performing a 45 minute hom=
am everyday or meditating with Gayatri mantra (or some other mantra) for&nb=
sp;3 hours everyday, definitely he/she will cross some important hurdles an=
d make some good progress.</FONT></DIV>
bsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> It is clear why it =
is even more important for women to be chaste and<BR>> pious considering=
the strength of Moon and Venus in her body-gross and<BR>> causal.</FONT=
></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
e=3DArial size=3D2>Chastity and brahmacharya are *equally important* for me=
n and women to make spiritual progress. But the level of difficulty one exp=
eriences in controlling the mind depends on various factors such as gender =
and, more importantly, mental conditioning acquired from previous live=
s.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> At least, Somannath drekana should be check=
ed for the period of poojas<BR>> to see how the dasas support celibacy v=
ow that is usually required in<BR>> the cases of sadhanas whose aim is s=
piritual elevation. </FONT><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well, two relevant points:</FONT></DIV=
>
ial size=3D2>(1) The astrology we know and understand is imperfect without =
a doubt. Even knowledge taught unambiguously by Maharshi Parasara is so mis=
understood in this age. Then what to speak of knowledge not found in the av=
ailable teachings of Parasara and available in the "secrets" of various par=
amparas? It is quite prone to corruptions and misunderstanding. C=
an we *rely* on it?</FONT></DIV>
ONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(2) Astrology, even when unders=
tood perfectly, only predicts the predisposition at a given time due to the=
dynamics of *previous* actions (karmas). The dynamics of previous actions =
decides under what kind of circumstances one has to operate now. Those circ=
umstances can place *limitations* on what actions can be performed *now*. D=
epending on the seriousness of previous actions deciding the current circum=
stances, the limitations can be either mere challenges or serious handicaps=
. But, in most cases, there are multiple actions possible currently. Horosc=
ope only decides the situations faced now. The actions performed *now* are =
based on *free will* exerted now, which is NOT captured by the horoscope.</=
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
face=3DArial size=3D2>If there is one good thing to use free will for, spi=
ritual progress is definitely *the* thing. One should push one's free will =
to the extreme when it comes to spiritual progress. It is worth it! Forget =
somanatha drekkana and other tenets of astrology. When the inspiration come=
s from within, just boldly take a vow, pray to god and your guru (if you ha=
ve no guru, think of me or my Guru Dr Manish Pandit) and do your best to ke=
ep the vow.</FONT></DIV>
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* &nbs=
p; * =
; *</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Even if one cannot kee=
p brahmacharya, one can still do spiritual practices like homam and japam. =
It will atleast keep one floating (i.e. not sinking). Basically, one will k=
eep accumulating shakti (purity) and keep consuming it. So purification is =
slow. But atleast there is no further impurification. With brahmacharya, on=
e can actually start accumulating shakti and purify oneself much faster.</D=
IV>
p;</FONT></DIV>
nbsp; * *</FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV>Regarding women=
doing sadhanas:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial siz=
e=3D2>A great Vedic scholar known as Upasani maharaj lived at the time of S=
hirdi Sai Baba, about 100 years back. He was learned in several Vedas and U=
panishads and did tremendous sadhana. Once he realized Self, he threw away =
his orthodoxy and went against the customs of the time boldly. He went and =
lived in Harijanwada (untouchables colony), swept the floors there and forc=
ed the Brahmins from Brahmanawada (Brahmins colony) who revered him highly =
to come *there* if they wanted to see him! He opened a Vedic school fo=
r women and taught them chanting Vedic mantras and performing traditional y=
ajnas. He gave women of all births sacred thread and initiated them into ve=
dic mantras and yajnas.</FONT></DIV>
;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When Shridi Sai Baba saw hi=
m oneday, he said "Upasani is God Himself. Today we will do pooja to Upasan=
i!" and made his disciples do a pooja to Upasani maharaj.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
ze=3D2>A temple run by women stands in the place of Upasani maharaj, a few =
miles away from Shirdi. If anyone goes to Shirdi, it is a good idea to go t=
o that temple. Though it has no rush, it has very nice energy. It is a grea=
t place to meditate.</FONT></DIV>
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also, Krishna temple at Alandi=
near Pune where Sant Jnaneshwar Maharaj went into underground samadhi 700 =
years back (believed to be there even now) has a tremendous level of spirit=
ual energy. It is also a great place for productive meditation.</FONT></DIV=
>
ial size=3D2>Best regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------ --------- ---------=
--------- --------- --------- ---------<BR>Do a Short Homam Yourself: <A h=
ref=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/homam" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow=
>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam</A><BR>Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: =
<A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/tarpana" target=3D_blank rel=3Dno=
follow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana</A><BR>Spirituality: <A hre=
f=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofo=
llow>http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom</A><BR>Free Jyotish less=
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tware (Windows): <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/" target=3D_blan=
k rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org</A><BR>Sri Jagannath Centr=
e (SJC) website: <A href=3D"http://www.srijagannath.org/" target=3D_blank
=
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.SriJagan nath.org</A><BR>------------ --------- -=
-------- --------- --------- --------- --------- <BR> </FONT></DIV>
<D=
IV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>--- In <A href=3D"mailto:sohamsa@yahoogroups=
.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>sohamsa@yahoogroups .com</A>, "Tijana =
Damjanovic" <tijanadamjanovic@ ...> wrote:<BR>><BR>> om krishna=
guru<BR>> Dear Ana and other members of the thread,<BR>> <BR>> Di=
fference exists and it makes the world go round, which is perfectly<BR>>=
fine. After it is understood properly, no pots and pans will be needed<BR>=
> to define anyones role or place under the sun...that shines the same<B=
R>> to one and all. :)<BR>> Shrimad Devi Bhagavatam (one of the Upapu=
ranas) states that sexual<BR>> urge is much stronger in the case of wome=
n. This is not surprising as<BR>> sexual urge is produced and governed b=
y the liquid fluctuation in the<BR>> body (watter, blood, semen and horm=
ones in the first place). This<BR>> fluctuation is much higher in woman`=
s body due to the predominance of<BR>> jala tatva in her body governed b=
y
planets Moon and Venus. These two<BR>> planets are also responsible f=
or the producing of the ojas (the<BR>> finniest energetic product of our=
body that makes the brain function<BR>> properly, it is often understoo=
d as a vigor, vitality and procreative<BR>> power). In general, this mea=
ns that women can produce more ojas than man.<BR>> How is this related t=
o poojas and spirituality?<BR>> Sexual energy, or sexual thoughts, are b=
eing transformed into ojas in<BR>> the process of yoga. The process of y=
oga as one of its aim has lifting<BR>> of the ojas from its storage in t=
he primal chakra and its storing in<BR>> the brain. The more ojas in the=
brain the prettier, smarter and more<BR>> spiritual we are. But this li=
fting of the ojas can be done ONLY by<BR>> chaste ones. That is why chas=
tity and bramacarya has always been<BR>> considered the highest virtue. =
No YOga can happen without chastity. It<BR>> is clear why it is
even mo=
re important for women to be chaste and<BR>> pious considering the stren=
gth of Moon and Venus in her body-gross and<BR>> causal.<BR>> Without=
chastity, yogic pratice can lead into a mental disorder as<BR>> ojas an=
d prana directly influence the work of the brain centres. Thus<BR>> it i=
s crucial how demanding and serious the homam or pooja in<BR>> question,=
or any other, is. Prohibition during the monthly cycle is<BR>> based up=
on this also-increasing of the jala tatva and the sexual urge.<BR>> At l=
east, Somannath drekana should be checked for the period of poojas<BR>> =
to see how the dasas support celibacy vow that is usually required in<BR>&g=
t; the cases of sadhanas whose aim is spiritual elevation. <BR>> The app=
roaches to the final truth may be numerous and different, but<BR>> all o=
f them must find their path through the Sushumna. The one who<BR>> claim=
s that this path is hidden or blocked to women simply lacks
ojas<BR>> i=
n his/her brain.<BR>> Regards,<BR>> Tijana Damjanovic<BR>> <BR>>=
; P.S. Ana, odakle si?<BR></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr><=
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Namaste,
> 3. What is the exact meaning of Trikaagni-kaala?
Trika = three types of

Agni = fire
Kaala = regulator, time-keeper, one who ends
The previous word in the verse is "tripuraantakaaya". Tripuraantaka means one who
ends the three puras. Pura means a town or a castle. The three castles/towns
referred to are basically the three bodies (or sheaths) that house each person. The
sthoola sareera (gross body), sookshma sareera (subtle body) and kaarana sareera
(causal body) are the three bodies/castles/towns hosting each being.
The gross body is what we see - made of gross matter and consisting of flesh,
blood, nerves etc. The subtle body cannot be seen with eyes and it contains
thousands of nadis (subtle channels of energy flow) and several chakras (various
planes of existence in which one keeps going like in a wheel). The causal body is
made of causal matter and is a repository of all the karmas (actions) the being is
carrying, which are yet to be canceled by equal and opposite reactions. This body
is the root cause of one's existence as a being separate from Supreme Soul.
Tripuraantaka means one who brings the end of these three bodies. In a lower level
form, Rudra brings the end of the physical body, but in the highest form, he
actually brings the end of Kaarana sareera too, i.e. grants moksha! However, it
must be emphasized that most people sugffer from "obesity" when it comes to causal
body.
Now, there is a basic fire that burns in each of these bodies, illuminating them
and sustaining them. In the gross body, we have the jatharaagni and several other
agnis (physical tranformative forces) as described in ayurveda. Similarly, there is
a fire burning in the other bodies too. Without that fire, these bodies cannot
live. Rudra is the regulator and time-keeper of those three fires. When the time's
up, he extinguishes each of those three types of fire. Until then, he keeps the
fires going and regulates them. That is what trikaagnikaala means.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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>
>
> Dear All,
>
> Thanx for the response, Anand.
>
> 1. Do you mean that these (Vishveshwara, etc.) are the names of 11
> Rudras mentioned in the (1st anuvaka of) The Namakam?
>
> 2. The Shiva Purana lists the 11 Rudras as:
> Kapali, Pingala, Bhima, Virupaksha, Vilohita, Shasta, Ajapada,
> Ahirbudhanya, Shambhu, Chanda, Bhava.
> Ofcourse thee are other texts that give slightly differing lists of the
> 11 Rudras, but havent seen one mentioning Trikaagni as one of the Rudras
> anywhere else.
>
> 3. What is the exact meaning of Trikaagni-kaala?
>
> 4. Any reference inidcating that Hanuman took form of Kalagni?
>
>
> Many Thanx
> SS
>
>
> -- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "Anand Ravi" <anandravi8@> wrote:
> >
> > Om Namah Shivaya
> >
> > Dear SS, Namaste
> >
> > Correct is "Trikaagni"
> > Names of 11 rudras. Namakam chapter 16 of Yajur vedam.
> > Kaalagni is also one of the 11 rudras. Hamuman took this form once.
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Rgds
> > Anand
> >
> >
> > On 8/23/08, Soul Sadhak soulsadhak@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear All,
> > >
> > > Please can anyone who knows advise which one is the correct word to
> be
> > > used in :
> > >
> > > "Om Namaste astu Bhagwan Vishvshwaraaya Mahaadevaaya
> > > Tryambakaaya Tripuraantakaaya __________-kaalaaya Kaalagni Rudraaya
> > > Neelakanthaaya Mrityunjayaaya Sarveshvaraaya Sadashivaaya
> > > Shriman Mahaadevaaya Namah"
> > >
> > > "Trikaagni" or "Trikaalagni"
> > >
> > > Many Thanks
> > > SS.
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Namaste Tijana,
> But the rules do exist and they make the differences va=
lid, otherwise
> the one loses himself easily.
I understand where you are=

coming from, but one will NOT lose oneself by throwing the rules to the wi=
nd regarding spiritual sadhana. In fact, one who keeps checking various das=
as, somanath drekkana, vimsamsa etc, pondering on atmakaraka, ishta devata =
etc and waiting for the right dasa, right deity and right mantra with the r=
ight number of letters etc is more likely to lose oneself easily!
If one =
does prayoga of a mantra for killing an enemy or attracting someone or some=
thing like that, things are different. Then rules do matter. But I want to =
emphasize that the rules given in books are full of corruptions and no wond=
er people trying such feats these days suffer so much.
But sadhana meant =

just for spiritual progress comes with no risks. If something is wrong, the=
only implication is that progress is slow. Still slow progress is better t=
han no progress or retrogression.
My point is that Jyotish knowledge avai=

lable to us today is not perfect and contains many corruptions. Anybody who=
thinks otherwise has not studied deeply enough yet. :-)
We can learn Jyo=

tish, respect it and use it when possible, but we cannot rely on it to deci=
de when to do spiritual sadhana and when to wait. If one *wants* to do a sa=
dhana, there is no reason to wait. Right now is the best time. At best, wai=
t for a good muhurta in a few weeks or months. But, using somanatha drekkan=
a or vimsamsa and waiting for right dasa is unneeded. God knows if the dasa=
system you are using is the correct one or not. There are so many dasas af=
ter all.
If astrology says your digestion will be weak when Jupiter trans=

its a particular sign, will you stop eating during that one year and wait f=
or Jupiter to move out of the sign? Spiritual sadhana is as much of a *need=
* as food, water and air. One who realizes *that* should just go full-steam=
ahead instead of bookishly checking so many technicalities of astrology ba=
sed on a corrupt understanding.
Not all differences are valid by the way.=

Sometimes differences are a result of two people looking at something from=
two angles. Both views can be appreciated and understood. Sometimes differ=
ences are a result of corruption, confusion and outright mistakes. In such =
cases, we can ignore one view.
> Difference is the very essence of Prakri=
ti and the one who doesn`t
> appreciate it, doesn`t know nor respect Mother=
and will hardly reach
> the freedom from Her maya.
:-) :-) Yaa devi sarv=

a *buddhi* rupena samsthitaa namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namah=
. Also, yaa devi sarva *bhraanti* rupena samsthitaa namastasyai namastasyai=
namastasyai namo namah. The mother shines in all as the wisdom and discrim=
ination and the same mother shines in all as the confusion and delusion. Bo=
th are Her manifestations. Begging Her to remove the confusion and delusion=
and grant clarity of vision and wisdom does not tantamount to disrespectin=
g to Her.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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--- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "Tijana Damjanovic" =

<tijanadamjanovic@...> wrote:
>
> om krishna guru
> Dear NArasimha, namaste=
>
> As for the two relevant point=E2=80=A6
> Why would we make everything=
relative if not for the improvement of
> the intellect.
> But the rules do=
exist and they make the differences valid, otherwise
> the one loses himse=
lf easily. It is the difference which gives man a
> chance to find a proper=
way to Self. No one should ever think that
> Rishis couldn`t agree on the =
truth. They had a very good reason to
> make and support difference and to =
provide the rules to preserve it.
> Difference is the very essence of Prakr=
iti and the one who doesn`t
> appreciate it, doesn`t know nor respect Mothe=
r and will hardly reach
> the freedom from Her maya.
> Thus my free will st=
ays employed in respecting every tradition that
> cares about the truth whi=
le it follows the one that offers me the
> clearest vision.
> Regards,
> Ti=
jana Damjanovic
>
> --- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"=
<pvr@> wrote:
> >
> > Namaste Tijana,
> >
> > Thank you for a nice expos=
ition. What you wrote is well-taken.
> >
> > > That is why chastity and b=
ramacarya has always been
> > > considered the highest virtue. No YOga can =
happen without chastity.
> >
> > That is absolutely correct. Brahmacharya=
and control of one's sexual
> thoughts is quite needed to make spiritual p=
rogress.
> >
> > If anybody maintains brahmacharya for one year while per=
forming a 45
> minute homam everyday or meditating with Gayatri mantra (or =
some other
> mantra) for 3 hours everyday, definitely he/she will cross som=
e
> important hurdles and make some good progress.
> >
> > > It is clear =
why it is even more important for women to be chaste and
> > > pious consid=
ering the strength of Moon and Venus in her body-gross and
> > > causal.
> =
>
> > Chastity and brahmacharya are *equally important* for men and women=
> to make spiritual progress. But the level of difficulty one

> experience=
s in controlling the mind depends on various factors such as
> gender and, =
more importantly, mental conditioning acquired from
> previous lives.
> > =
> > > At least, Somannath drekana should be checked for the period of pooj=
as
> > > to see how the dasas support celibacy vow that is usually required=
in
> > > the cases of sadhanas whose aim is spiritual elevation.
> >
> =
> Well, two relevant points:
> >
> > (1) The astrology we know and unders=
tand is imperfect without a
> doubt. Even knowledge taught unambiguously by=
Maharshi Parasara is so
> misunderstood in this age. Then what to speak of=
knowledge not found
> in the available teachings of Parasara and available=
in the "secrets"
> of various paramparas? It is quite prone to corruptions=
and
> misunderstanding. Can we *rely* on it?
> >
> > (2) Astrology, even=
when understood perfectly, only predicts the
> predisposition at a given t=
ime due to the dynamics of *previous*
> actions (karmas). The dynamics of p=
revious actions decides under what
> kind of circumstances one has to opera=
te now. Those circumstances can
> place *limitations* on what actions can b=
e performed *now*. Depending
> on the seriousness of previous actions decid=
ing the current
> circumstances, the limitations can be either mere challen=
ges or
> serious handicaps. But, in most cases, there are multiple actions
=
> possible currently. Horoscope only decides the situations faced now.
> Th=
e actions performed *now* are based on *free will* exerted now,
> which is =
NOT captured by the horoscope.
> >
> > If there is one good thing to use =
free will for, spiritual progress
> is definitely *the* thing. One should p=
ush one's free will to the
> extreme when it comes to spiritual progress. I=
t is worth it! Forget
> somanatha drekkana and other tenets of astrology. W=
hen the inspiration
> comes from within, just boldly take a vow, pray to go=
d and your guru
> (if you have no guru, think of me or my Guru Dr Manish Pa=
ndit) and do
> your best to keep the vow.
> >
> > * * *
> >=
> > Even if one cannot keep brahmacharya, one can still do spiritual
> p=
ractices like homam and japam. It will atleast keep one floating
> (i.e. no=
t sinking). Basically, one will keep accumulating shakti
> (purity) and kee=
p consuming it. So purification is slow. But atleast
> there is no further =
impurification. With brahmacharya, one can
> actually start accumulating sh=
akti and purify oneself much faster.
> >
> > * * *
> >
> =
> Regarding women doing sadhanas:
> >
> > A great Vedic scholar known as =
Upasani maharaj lived at the time of
> Shirdi Sai Baba, about 100 years bac=
k. He was learned in several Vedas
> and Upanishads and did tremendous sadh=
ana. Once he realized Self, he
> threw away his orthodoxy and went against =
the customs of the time
> boldly. He went and lived in Harijanwada (untouch=
ables colony), swept
> the floors there and forced the Brahmins from Brahma=
nawada (Brahmins
> colony) who revered him highly to come *there* if they w=
anted to see
> him! He opened a Vedic school for women and taught them chan=
ting Vedic
> mantras and performing traditional yajnas. He gave women of al=
l births
> sacred thread and initiated them into vedic mantras and yajnas.
=
> >
> > When Shridi Sai Baba saw him oneday, he said "Upasani is God
> Hi=
mself. Today we will do pooja to Upasani!" and made his disciples do
> a po=
oja to Upasani maharaj.
> >
> > A temple run by women stands in the place=
of Upasani maharaj, a few
> miles away from Shirdi. If anyone goes to Shir=
di, it is a good idea to
> go to that temple. Though it has no rush, it has=
very nice energy. It
> is a great place to meditate.
> >
> > Also, Krish=
na temple at Alandi near Pune where Sant Jnaneshwar
> Maharaj went into und=
erground samadhi 700 years back (believed to be
> there even now) has a tre=
mendous level of spiritual energy. It is also
> a great place for productiv=
e meditation.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Narasimha
> > -------------------=
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> > Do a Short Homam Yourse=
> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: ht=
tp://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
> > Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.=
> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.ho=
me.comcast.net
> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrolo=
ger.org
> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org=
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------

> =
>
> > --- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "Tijana Damjanovic"
> <tijanadamjan=
ovic@> wrote:
> > >
> > > om krishna guru
> > > Dear Ana and other members =
of the thread,
> > >
> > > Difference exists and it makes the world go rou=
nd, which is perfectly
> > > fine. After it is understood properly, no pots=
and pans will be needed
> > > to define anyones role or place under the su=
n...that shines the same
> > > to one and all. :)
> > > Shrimad Devi Bhagav=
atam (one of the Upapuranas) states that sexual
> > > urge is much stronger=
in the case of women. This is not surprising as
> > > sexual urge is produ=
ced and governed by the liquid fluctuation in the
> > > body (watter, blood=
, semen and hormones in the first place). This
> > > fluctuation is much hi=
gher in woman`s body due to the predominance of
> > > jala tatva in her bod=
y governed by planets Moon and Venus. These two
> > > planets are also resp=
onsible for the producing of the ojas (the
> > > finniest energetic product=
of our body that makes the brain function
> > > properly, it is often unde=
rstood as a vigor, vitality and procreative
> > > power). In general, this =
means that women can produce more ojas
> than man.
> > > How is this relate=
d to poojas and spirituality?
> > > Sexual energy, or sexual thoughts, are =
being transformed into ojas in
> > > the process of yoga. The process of yo=
ga as one of its aim has lifting
> > > of the ojas from its storage in the =
primal chakra and its storing in
> > > the brain. The more ojas in the brai=
n the prettier, smarter and more
> > > spiritual we are. But this lifting o=
f the ojas can be done ONLY by
> > > chaste ones. That is why chastity and =
> > > considered the highest virtue. No YOga can=
happen without chastity. It
> > > is clear why it is even more important f=
or women to be chaste and
> > > pious considering the strength of Moon and =
Venus in her body-gross and
> > > causal.
> > > Without chastity, yogic pra=
tice can lead into a mental disorder as
> > > ojas and prana directly influ=
ence the work of the brain centres. Thus
> > > it is crucial how demanding =
and serious the homam or pooja in
> > > question, or any other, is. Prohibi=
tion during the monthly cycle is
> > > based upon this also-increasing of t=
he jala tatva and the sexual urge.
> > > At least, Somannath drekana should=
be checked for the period of poojas
> > > to see how the dasas support cel=
ibacy vow that is usually required in
> > > the cases of sadhanas whose aim=
is spiritual elevation.
> > > The approaches to the final truth may be nu=
merous and different, but
> > > all of them must find their path through th=
e Sushumna. The one who
> > > claims that this path is hidden or blocked to=
women simply lacks ojas
> > > in his/her brain.
> > > Regards,
> > > Tijan=
a Damjanovic
> > >
> > > P.S. Ana, odakle si?
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Namaste friends,
Happy Sri Krishna Janmaashtami to all of you!
The astrological angle I criticized in another mail today is only one aspect of the
unnecessary technicalities that sometimes block people from progressing. There are
other technicalities that can be done away with, when they start to block one.
* * *
I recently saw the chart of a person, who I am sure will make much progress and be
in a position to guide thousands of people spiritually. His chart strongly
suggested that he should chant Chandipath or do Chandi homam and then progress will
come. I told him that. He said he learnt Chandipath sometime ago but he does not
read it regularly because he does not have the anga nyasam and kara nyasam text. He
cannot read Indian scripts and can only read English. Chandipath is available in
Roman script from Ramakrishna math, but that only has the thirteen chapters,
kavacham, argala and keelakam. It does not give the nyasas, which are given in the
Gita press version (available only in Indian languages). The poor guy assumed he
could not do it without proper nyasas and did not attempt to do it.
I told him that 13 chapters are the main thing and all else is secondary. I told
him to just start with 13 chapters.
* * *
Like this, many people have various ideas about "the right way" to do it and do not
even try things lest they should it do it "a wrong way"!
Of course, there *are* right ways to do poojas, japas and homas. However, there are
also right ways to do so many things. Let me give an analogy using eating.
* * *
There are right ways to eat too. There are certain mantras you should say before
eating, while eating and after eating. There are rules for what items should be
eaten. There are rules for what order they should be served in, on the plate.
There are rules for how the served items are arranged on the plate. There are rules
for what order you eat them in. There are rules for what kind of plate can be used
(silver, gloden, copper, banana leaf etc). There are rules for what kind of
clothese the person serving food can wear. There are rules for what kind of clothes
eater can wear. There are many many rules.
Suppose you don't know some rules. Or suppose you are unable to follow some rules
and have to compromise. Or suppose you don't know the mantras to be recited before
and after eating. Will you then stop eating? Won't it be foolish to not eat because
you cannot follow all the rules and technicalities of eating? Won't you compromise
wherever you have to and just eat *some* food, so that you get some strength and
sustain yourself?
Friends, the *same* thing applies to spiritual sadhana. Whether you spend 5 hours
or 1 hour or half hour or ten minutes everyday on spiritual sadhana, it should be
an integral part of your life. It should be as important as eating food, drinking
water and breathing air. In fact, it really is. Just as not eating makes you weak,
not doing any sadhana also makes you weak. Just as eating makes you stronger, doing
some sadhana also makes you stronger.
People are unnecessarily afraid of spiritual sadhana. They take all the rules and
technicalities too seriously (unlike with other things in life, such as eating,
drinking, bathing etc) and block themselves from progressing.
This needs to change. People need to know that it is ok to compromise on most

things, but important to do *some* sadhana. Just as you would eat simple dal chaval
(lentil soup with rice) or a bread and cheese sandwich when there is no multi-
course meal that satisfies the rules, you can just sit down for 15 minutes without
moving and repeat any mantra. Or just light a fire in a silver or copper or clay
bowl with sticks, say "Om bhuh swaha, Om bhuvah swaha, Om suvah swaha, Om
bhurbhuvassuvah swaha" and then repeat some mantra with swaha added and some ghee
drops poured into fire. Such a simple sadhana also, when repeated daily, can be
powerful. It is definitely better than avoiding sadhana at all, just as eating just
a bread sandwich is better than not eating at all.
* * *
Rules and technicalities are there to maximize the experience one gets from
sadhana. They are NOT there to block or stop one from doing sadhana altogether.
That would be counter productive.
Each rule, each technicality and each step in the standard procedures has some
deeper meaning and motive (which is lost on people these days!), but it is ok to
compromise. If you can, follow *all* the rules. If you cannot, atleast do
*something* with several rules compromised, rather than not doing anything at all.
Too many people are suffering from intertia when it comes to progressing
spiritually. I see some great souls meant for big things also suffering from
inertia at various levels. Unnecessary fear of rules and technicalities is part of
the reason for this inertia.
This needs to be changed. Spiritually inclined people have to be empowered and

boldened. The fear and inertia in them need to be destroyed. This is very much
needed for not just for the individual good of those people, but the collective
good of world in these interesting times.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Namaste Jitender,
>> there too much strenghth is given on Guru

>> but somebody please tell me what one should do
>> if he doesn;t have a Guru
Just wait. ;-)
* * *
Changdev maharaj waited for more than 1,000 years for his guru. Then he got
what needed from his guru in just a few days. Getting the right guru can
change one's spiritual trajectory for ever.
Some people say, "whoever is your guru, just follow that guru blindly and
you will achieve". That is partly true. But, a moth that clings on to a rock
and does not leave it can be crushed when the rock falls from the mountain.
However, one who has blind faith in guru and follows guru completely is
atleast pushing the ownership of several karmas to guru and keeping own
account clean. That surrender is a smart (but difficult) thing and actually
the first step towards an unconditional surrender to god.
It is good to surrender to a guru and follow with blind faith. But the
reward for that attitude is maximized if guru is a capable one instead of a
fake one.
Good gurus first test the sishyas and push them to the breakage point and
test the limits. Good gurus are rare these days.
Just as a guru tests sishya, a sishya can also test guru until one is fully
satisfied. But, once one accepts a person as one's guru, one should be
faithful and obedient. People like Vivekananda and some fellow disciples of
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa tested their guru for an extended period of time.
Vivekananda tested his guru almost till the end. But then, those are special
plays of special souls. But, a good guru should not be angry or upset if an
intelligent sishya questions or tests.
* * *
Though many people go searching for a guru, it is not necessary. A good guru
will find the sishyas he/she is supposed to guide and approach them. Or
atleast a good guru should know how to make the sishya come to him/her.
* * *
For some people, a guru may have already entered their life and started
influencing them and yet they may not know it! Guru does not necessarily
mean one who sits on a high pedestal with you sitting at his feet and
teaching you things. Guru does not mean one with certain robes or certain
hair etc. Guru does not mean one with a "Swami" prefix in the name. Guru
does not mean one who has a certain age or a certain look. Guru is one who
removes darkness within you. A person you have never met consciously may
have decided to influence your thinking and slowly remove your darkness from
a distance. You may never meet and the person may have transformed.
A guru who is unable to transform you is worthless. A guru's job is to

transform a person. Similarly, a sadhana you are doing that is unable to
transform you in some way or the other is useless. The goal of all sadhana
is to transform yourself.
* * *
On a *personal note*, I did not realize it when I was approached by my

spiritual guru. I was actually quite put off by him. I thought he was a
wacko - a crazy man - talking about useless and impure things. He would talk
about tantra, aghora, Kaali, Taaraa, shakti chalana, kundalini, darshana of
devatas and stuff like that. He sent me a rudraksha mala he specially made
for me and asked me to use it to meditate on Gayatri mantra 216 times a day.
The only rules were to stay as still as I could, with an erect back and
closed eyes and not let any strange experiences or visions distract me and
keep the focus on the mantra. The other rule was brahmacharya. I did nothing
about it for a long time. He would patiently call me now and then and chat
about various things related to spirituality. Though I did not like him at
first, I slowly started realizing his purity and simplicity. He never put
any pressure and let things take their course.
About one year from the time he contacted me first, on a Vaisakha Pournima
day, after my monthly Full Moon Satya Narayana vratam, I suddenly got the
inspiration that I should follow his advice. He may be a tantrika, a Kaali
worshipper, a corrupt soul and what not (yes, that is how I thought then!),
but all he asked me to do was Gayatri mantra, a veda mantra, with a
Rudraksha maalaa and keep brahmacharya. What he asked me seemed "saattwik
enough". So I decided in an impulse and started. Some things happened. After
18 days, something dramatic happened that changed my thinking and life
completely. Abstract concepts and bookish knowledge are one thing and direct
experience is another. It is ok to harp on the transientness of the
so-called "concrete" reality that our senses keep perceiving and hypothesize
that there is a far higher reality that one can merge one's consciousness
in, but one's conviction - especially that of a highly logical person like
me - will not be complete until one actually sees it. In fact, one's
conviction will be quite shaky until then.
Even after this, my ego was still there. I was a young achiever. I had BA
degrees in Sanskrit at the age of 10 and wrote metred poetry in Sanskrit
like ancients, at 11. I was a highly intelligent young achiever with a lot
of pride over my intelligence and scholarship. Thus, accepting one who was 6
months younger and one whose Sanskrit knowledge and Sanskrit pronunciation
seemed quite inferior to mine as my guru was too much. As if sensing it, the
first thing he told me when we met face to face a few months later was: "I
am not your guru. Never be under the illusion that I am your guru. We are
sishyas of the same guru and our guru is not here now. I started first in
this life and hence I am guiding you. I will do whatever I can for you, but
I am not your guru". I was "relieved".
Slowly, the change triggered earlier started accelerating. My mind became

clearer about what is what. When I saw myself as a completely transformed
person with much clearer vision and realized that the change was brought by
Manish, I told him that I now thought of him as my guru. He said fine.
Basically, he had accepted me as a sishya long back and waited till I
accepted him as my guru (though he kept playing that role even without my
acceptance). Basically, the names used for the relationship did not matter
to him and he did what thought he needed to do. Simple.
Later, the homam movement started. I started doing homam everyday. I

experimented with many and settled down on daily Chandi homam. Once I looked
at Manish with suspicion because he was a Kaali worshipper. Now, I was doing
Chandi homam myself! I saw my prejudices for what they were. I became very
clear in my mind about so many things. Many things that seemed conflicting
and contradictory fell in place smoothly now. Some of that clarity of
knowledge translates into my writings, but some of it is difficult to
translate into the physical plane.
What a good guru does is precisely this - to transform you from something to
something else, preferably something better!
* * *
If you want to find the right guru who can make this human life worthwhile,
you should not be in a hurry at all. Be patient and keep praying. While you
wait, you can use whatever knowledge, teachings and tools are available to
purify and transform yourself and remove some of the darkness yourself. In
the process, you may end up finding your guru!
Best regards,
Narasimha
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> Dear Jitendra,

>
>>there too much strenghth is given on Guru
>>but somebody please tell me what one should do
>>if he doesn;t have a Guru
>
> My opinion for the crucial question you asked - one need not worry,
> need not despair, need not feel dejected if one don't have Guru. one
> must not be in any hurry to make Guru. one needs to commit one's
> self to spiritual Sadhana. sincerely, dedicatedly. crux of the
> matter is to purify one's heart. to calm one's mind. Chitta Shudhhi
> must be done. GURU will come to You when you are ready.
>
> that is my conviction. When i am ready, my guru will come and even
> if some physical entity as Guru never comes, i am not doomed.it
> won't stop me from getting the realisation of the self.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Utpal
>
> --- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "dahiyajiten" <dahiyajiten@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Namaste to all
>>
>> i loved the article on Importance of brahamcharya
>> and similarly i loved these topics in book AGHORA
>>
>> but i have one serious question
>>
>> there too much strenghth is given on Guru
>> but somebody please tell me what one should do
>> if he doesn;t have a Guru
>>
>> Ok i may not have done some good work in my past life
>> that i should a guru quickly
>> bcoz untill i don't become pure no Guru would accept me
>> and untill i get a guru, i ll never become pure
>> so.its a vicious circle
>>
>> and when i hear be patient you ll find your Guru when time will
>> come i wonder if chang dev maharaj had to wait for so many
>> years to get his guru and though he was a capable person
>> who could live for so many years evading death(i think 1400 years)
>> what if i forget about spirituality in the next
>> 10-15 years(or something wierd happens to my thinking style),
>> leave about forgetting it in next births
>>
>> and i m not an advanced Jyotishi and
>> i have no confidence on my calculations
>> and i cant find out my ishta devata
>>
>> so in the end its too confusing
>> (may be that MOTHER wants me too struggle at present)
>>
>> but yes i liked th line written by narsimha ji
>> ""If there is one good thing to use free will for, spiritual
>> progress is definitely *the* thing. One should push one's free will
>> to the extreme when it comes to spiritual progress. It is worth
> it!""
>>
>> So, bearing with my confusions please ignore it
>> if you find it disturbing
>>
>> regards
>> jitender
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Namaste,
Thanks for the link. Yes, the person in the video is my guru Dr =
Manish Pandit. He is the same person mentioned in the introduction of the h=
omam manuals as the one instructed by Her to spread homam.
He performs ho=
mam using a slightly different procedure, but it is mostly similar to what =
we taught in the manual. The video is only 6 or 7 minutes long. So obviousl=
y it is not the entire homam. It is only a part of it.
He asked me to rec=
ord a video just like the audio, with exactly what is in the manual, and pu=
t it on the web. But it never worked out so far.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Do Pitri Tarpanas Y=
ourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
Spirituality: http://groups=
.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
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.home.comcast.net
Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrolog=
er.org
----=
--------------------------------------------------------------
--- In so=
hamsa@yahoogroups.com, "malladi_bharathi" <malladi_bharathi@...> wrote:
>
>=
> Namaste Reema,

>
> I think he is Dr. Maneesh Pandit (Narasimha's guru)=
. No wonder
> Narasimha's manual on Ganesh Homam matches his vidhi.
>
> B=
est regards,
> Bharathi Kumar
>
> --- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "Reema P=
atel Sriganesh"
> <reema_sriganesh@> wrote:
> >
> > || Hare Rama Krushna |=
|
> >
> > Namaskaar everyone,
> >
> > I thought somebody might find this =
useful. I certainly found it to
> be.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watc=
h?v=3Dvd5bJw9WH1w
> >
> > The saadhaka does it gracefully. His mantra ucch=
aar also seems good.
> > Although, the vidhi is not in its entirety (or may=
be it is?), I
> found
> > it to be quite similar to what Narasimha Ji des=
cribes in the Homam
> > manual.
> >
> > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,
> > R=
eema.
> >
> > Om Tat Sat Brahmaarpanamastu |
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<STYLE></STYLE=
>
</HEAD>
,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><F=
ONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks for the link. Yes, the person in the video=
is my guru Dr Manish Pandit. He is the same person mentioned in the intro=

duction
of the homam manuals as the one instructed by Her to spread homam.=
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FO=
NT face=3DArial size=3D2>He performs homam using a slightly different
proc=
edure, but it is mostly similar to what we taught in the manual. The video =
is only 6 or 7 minutes long. So obviously it is not the entire homam. It i=

s only
a part of it.</FONT></DIV>
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>He asked me to record a video=
just like the audio,
with exactly what is in the manual, and put it on th=
e web. But it never worked
out so far.</FONT></DIV>
regar=
ds,<BR>Narasimha<BR>-------------------------------------------------------=
-----------<BR>Do
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstr=
ologer.org/homam">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</A><BR>Do
Pitri Tar=
panas Yourself: <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana">http://=
www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana</A><BR>Spirituality:
<A
href=3D"http://gr=
oups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisd=
om</A><BR>Free
href=3D"http://vedicastro.home.c=
omcast.net">http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net</A><BR>Free
Jyotish softwar=
e (Windows): <A
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trologer.org</A><BR>Sri
href=3D"http:/=
/www.SriJagannath.org">http://www.SriJagannath.org</A><BR>-----------------=
-------------------------------------------------
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=
href=3D"mailto:sohamsa@yahoogro=
ups.com">sohamsa@yahoogroups.com</A>,
"malladi_bharathi" <malladi_bhara=
thi@...> wrote:<BR>><BR>> <BR>>
Namaste Reema,<BR>> <BR>>=
; I think he is Dr. Maneesh Pandit (Narasimha's
guru). No wonder <BR>> =
Narasimha's manual on Ganesh Homam matches his
vidhi.<BR>> <BR>> Bes=
t regards,<BR>> Bharathi Kumar<BR>> <BR>>
--- In <A href=3D"mailt=
o:sohamsa@yahoogroups.com">sohamsa@yahoogroups.com</A>,
"Reema Patel Sriga=
nesh" <BR>> <reema_sriganesh@> wrote:<BR>>
><BR>> > |=
| Hare Rama Krushna ||<BR>> > <BR>> > Namaskaar
everyone,<BR>&=
gt; > <BR>> > I thought somebody might find this useful.
I certai=
nly found it to <BR>> be.<BR>> > <BR>> > <A
href=3D"http://=
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dvd5bJw9WH1w">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dvd5=
bJw9WH1w</A><BR>>
> <BR>> > The saadhaka does it gracefully. H=
is mantra ucchaar also
seems good.<BR>> > Although, the vidhi is not=
in its entirety (or may be
it is?), I <BR>> found<BR>> > it to b=
e quite similar to what Narasimha
Ji describes in the Homam<BR>> > m=
anual.<BR>> > <BR>> > May
Sri Vishnu bless us all,<BR>> >=
; Reema.<BR>> > <BR>> > Om Tat
Sat Brahmaarpanamastu |<BR></FO=
NT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Namaste to all
thanks for the replies to utpal ji n narasimha ji
and what=
i have understood is
from my limited understanding
is just to keep on pra=
ying to GOD
to give me a GURU till i get one
thanks a lot
jitender
--- =
In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "utpal pathak"
<vedic_pathak@...> wrote:
=
>
> Dear Jitendra,
>
> >there too much strenghth is given on Guru
> >but s=
omebody please tell me what one should do
> >if he doesn;t have a Guru
>
>=
My opinion for the crucial question you asked - one need not
worry,
> ne=
ed not despair, need not feel dejected if one don't have Guru.
one
> must=
not be in any hurry to make Guru. one needs to commit one's
> self to spi=
ritual Sadhana. sincerely, dedicatedly. crux of the
> matter is to purify =
one's heart. to calm one's mind. Chitta
Shudhhi
> must be done. GURU will=
come to You when you are ready.
>
> that is my conviction. When i am read=
y, my guru will come and even
> if some physical entity as Guru never come=
s, i am not doomed.it
> won't stop me from getting the realisation of the =
self.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Utpal
>
> --- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.c=
om, "dahiyajiten" <dahiyajiten@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Namaste to all
> >
> > =
i loved the article on Importance of brahamcharya
> > and similarly i loved=
these topics in book AGHORA
> >
> > but i have one serious question
> >
=
> > there too much strenghth is given on Guru
> > but somebody please tell =
me what one should do
> > if he doesn;t have a Guru
> >
> > Ok i may not =
have done some good work in my past life
> > that i should a guru quickly
>=
> bcoz untill i don't become pure no Guru would accept me
> > and untill i=
get a guru, i ll never become pure
> > so.its a vicious circle
> >
> > an=
d when i hear be patient you ll find your Guru when time will
> > come i wo=
nder if chang dev maharaj had to wait for so many
> > years to get his gur=
u and though he was a capable person
> > who could live for so many years =
evading death(i think 1400
years)
> > what if i forget about spirituality=
in the next
> > 10-15 years(or something wierd happens to my thinking sty=
le),
> > leave about forgetting it in next births
> >
> > and i m not an =
advanced Jyotishi and
> > i have no confidence on my calculations
> > and =
i cant find out my ishta devata
> >
> > so in the end its too confusing
=
> > (may be that MOTHER wants me too struggle at present)
> >
> > but yes =
i liked th line written by narsimha ji
> > ""If there is one good thing to =
use free will for, spiritual
> > progress is definitely *the* thing. One sh=
ould push one's free
will
> > to the extreme when it comes to spiritual pr=
ogress. It is worth
> it!""
> >
> > So, bearing with my confusions please=
ignore it
> > if you find it disturbing
> >
> > regards
> > jitender
> >
=
>

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--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@...> wrote:

>
>=
Namaste friends,
>
> Happy Sri Krishna Janmaashtami to all of you!
>
>=
The astrological angle I criticized in another mail today is only
one aspe=
ct of the unnecessary technicalities that sometimes block
people from progr=
essing. There are other technicalities that can be
done away with, when the=
y start to block one.
>
> * * *
>
> I recently saw the ch=
art of a person, who I am sure will make much
progress and be in a position=
to guide thousands of people
spiritually. His chart strongly suggested tha=
t he should chant
Chandipath or do Chandi homam and then progress will come=
. I told him
that. He said he learnt Chandipath sometime ago but he does no=
t read
it regularly because he does not have the anga nyasam and kara nyasa=
m
text. He cannot read Indian scripts and can only read English.
Chandipath=
is available in Roman script from Ramakrishna math, but
that only has the =
thirteen chapters, kavacham, argala and keelakam. It
does not give the nyas=
as, which are given in the Gita press version
(available only in Indian lan=
guages). The poor guy assumed he could
not do it without proper nyasas and =
did not attempt to do it.
>
> I told him that 13 chapters are the main th=
ing and all else is
secondary. I told him to just start with 13 chapters.
>=
> * * *
>
> Like this, many people have various ideas ab=
out "the right way" to
do it and do not even try things lest they should it=
do it "a wrong way"!
>
> Of course, there *are* right ways to do poojas,=
japas and homas.
However, there are also right ways to do so many things. =
Let me give
an analogy using eating.
>
> * * *
>
> There =
are right ways to eat too. There are certain mantras you
should say before =
eating, while eating and after eating. There are
rules for what items shoul=
d be eaten. There are rules for what order
they should be served in, on th=
e plate. There are rules for how the
served items are arranged on the plate=
. There are rules for what order
you eat them in. There are rules for what =
kind of plate can be used
(silver, gloden, copper, banana leaf etc). There =
are rules for what
kind of clothese the person serving food can wear. There=
are rules for
what kind of clothes eater can wear. There are many many rul=
es.
>
> Suppose you don't know some rules. Or suppose you are unable to
f=
ollow some rules and have to compromise. Or suppose you don't know
the mant=
ras to be recited before and after eating. Will you then stop
eating? Won't=
it be foolish to not eat because you cannot follow all
the rules and techn=
icalities of eating? Won't you compromise wherever
you have to and just eat=
*some* food, so that you get some strength
and sustain yourself?
>
> Fri=
ends, the *same* thing applies to spiritual sadhana. Whether you
spend 5 ho=
urs or 1 hour or half hour or ten minutes everyday on
spiritual sadhana, it=
should be an integral part of your life. It
should be as important as eati=
ng food, drinking water and breathing
air. In fact, it really is. Just as n=
ot eating makes you weak, not
doing any sadhana also makes you weak. Just a=
s eating makes you
stronger, doing some sadhana also makes you stronger.
> =
> People are unnecessarily afraid of spiritual sadhana. They take all
the=
rules and technicalities too seriously (unlike with other things
in life, =
such as eating, drinking, bathing etc) and block themselves
from progressin=
g.
>
> This needs to change. People need to know that it is ok to
comprom=
ise on most things, but important to do *some* sadhana. Just as
you would e=
at simple dal chaval (lentil soup with rice) or a bread and
cheese sandwich=
when there is no multi-course meal that satisfies the
rules, you can just =
sit down for 15 minutes without moving and repeat
any mantra. Or just light=
a fire in a silver or copper or clay bowl
with sticks, say "Om bhuh swaha,=
Om bhuvah swaha, Om suvah swaha, Om
bhurbhuvassuvah swaha" and then repeat=
some mantra with swaha added
and some ghee drops poured into fire. Such a =
simple sadhana also, when
repeated daily, can be powerful. It is definitely=
better than avoiding
sadhana at all, just as eating just a bread sandwich =
is better than
not eating at all.
>
> * * *
>
> Rules and=
technicalities are there to maximize the experience one
gets from sadhana.=
They are NOT there to block or stop one from doing
sadhana altogether. Tha=
t would be counter productive.
>
> Each rule, each technicality and each =
step in the standard
procedures has some deeper meaning and motive (which i=
s lost on people
these days!), but it is ok to compromise. If you can, foll=
ow *all* the
rules. If you cannot, atleast do *something* with several rule=
s
compromised, rather than not doing anything at all.
>
> Too many people=
are suffering from intertia when it comes to
progressing spiritually. I se=
e some great souls meant for big things
also suffering from inertia at vari=
ous levels. Unnecessary fear of
rules and technicalities is part of the rea=
son for this inertia.
>
> This needs to be changed. Spiritually inclined =
people have to be
empowered and boldened. The fear and inertia in them need=
to be
destroyed. This is very much needed for not just for the individual
=
good of those people, but the collective good of world in these
interesting=
times.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> ---------------------------------=
---------------------------------
> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.V=
edicAstrologer.org/homam
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstr=
ologer.org/tarpana
> Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisd=
om
> Free =
Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer
Dear Sir,
This art=
icle has given me a lot of hope.
Sir I learned trancendental meditation wh=
en i was in 8th class.I
practised it for some time.During college years i r=
ead the Mahabharat
and many other religious texts.I always did daily puja w=
ith a lot of
bhakti.
Three years ago, i met Vashisthji in Gondia--He is a r=
etired officer
of the irrigation department--He thaught me the basics .
of =
astrology.He also guided me to do jaap.During navrati i did jaap of
devi's =
navarn mantra.Then during saawan month i did jaap of shiva's
panchakshari m=
antra.Last chaitra navratri i did gayatri jaap and again
this shravan i did=
Shiva's jaap.
But all this was done without any nyas or any of the other =
things
that you have mentioned.I always wondered whether what i was doing w=
as
right, but still went ahead thinking that taking Gods name cannot be
wro=
ng.Also all these jaap were done without asking for anything in
return.Am i=
right ?I dont know sanskrit so though i have so many books
i am unable to =
learn from them.
Also from sometime i have been thinking that it might be=
better if i
stuck to one mantra rather than doing so many different ones.I=
would
be greatfull to you.Please help me.
My dob is 28 nov. 1967;pob is mu=
mbai;and tob is 8.20am.
sorry about the lenth of this mail,but quite frankl=
y i could go on and on.
Thank you and waiting for your reply.
=
Sunita.

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Dear Narasimhaji Pranam,

=C2=A0
Hope you had a wonderful Janmasthami. I hav=
e again forwarded this mail of yours to a lot of my friends. I personally f=
eel, this mail exactly hits the nail on the head. Clear, logical and highly=
relevant.
=C2=A0
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rasimha PVR Rao <pvr@...> wrote:
From: Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@char=

ter.net>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Technicalities that block one
To: vedic-wi=
sdom@yahoogroups.com, sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, sivacharya@yahoogroups.com
D=
ate: Sunday, 24 August, 2008, 1:49 AM
Namaste friends,
Happy Sri Kri=

shna Janmaashtami to all of you!
The astrological angle I criticized in an=

other mail today is only one aspect of the unnecessary technicalities that =
sometimes block people from progressing. There are other technicalities tha=
t can be done away with, when they start to block one.
* * *
I recently s=
aw the chart of a person, who I am sure will make much progress and be in a=
position to guide thousands of people spiritually. His chart strongly sugg=
ested that he should chant Chandipath or do Chandi homam and then progress =
will come. I told him that. He said he learnt Chandipath sometime ago but h=
e does not read it regularly because he does not have the anga nyasam and k=
ara nyasam text. He cannot read Indian scripts and can only read English. C=
handipath is available in Roman script from Ramakrishna math, but that only=
has the thirteen chapters, kavacham, argala and keelakam. It does not give=
the nyasas, which are given in the Gita press version (available only in I=
ndian languages). The poor guy assumed he could not do it without proper ny=
asas and did not attempt to do it.
I told him that 13 chapters are the mai=

n thing and all else is secondary. I told him to just start with 13 chapter=
s.
* * *
Like this, many people have various ideas about "the right way" =
to do it and do not even try things lest they should it do it "a wrong way"=
!
Of course, there *are* right ways to do poojas, japas and homas. However=
, there are also right ways to do so many things. Let me give an analogy us=
ing eating.
* * *
There are right ways to eat too. There are certain mant=
ras you should say before eating, while eating and after eating. There are =
rules for what items should be eaten. There are rules for what order they s=
hould be served in, on the plate. There are rules for how the served items =
are arranged on the plate. There are rules for what order you eat them in. =
There are rules for what kind of plate can be used (silver, gloden, copper,=
banana leaf etc). There are rules for what kind of clothese the person ser=
ving food can wear. There are rules for what kind of clothes eater can wear=
. There are many many rules.
Suppose you don't know some rules. Or suppose=

you are unable to follow some rules and have to compromise. Or suppose you=
don't know the mantras to be recited before and after eating. Will you the=
n stop eating? Won't it be foolish to not eat because you cannot follow all=
the rules and technicalities of eating? Won't you compromise wherever you =
have to and just eat *some* food, so that you get some strength and sustain=
yourself?
Friends, the *same* thing applies to spiritual sadhana. Whether=

you spend 5 hours or 1 hour or half hour or ten minutes everyday on spirit=
ual sadhana, it should be an integral part of your life. It should be as im=
portant as eating food, drinking water and breathing air. In fact, it reall=
y is. Just as not eating makes you weak, not doing any sadhana also makes y=
ou weak. Just as eating makes you stronger, doing some sadhana also makes y=
ou stronger.
People are unnecessarily afraid of spiritual sadhana. They ta=

ke all the rules and technicalities too seriously (unlike with other things=
in life, such as eating, drinking, bathing etc) and block themselves from =
progressing.
This needs to change. People need to know that it is ok to co=

mpromise on most things, but important to do *some* sadhana. Just as you wo=
uld eat simple dal chaval (lentil soup with rice) or a bread and cheese san=
dwich when there is no multi-course meal that satisfies the rules, you can =
just sit down for 15 minutes without moving and repeat any mantra. Or just =
light a fire in a silver or copper or clay bowl with sticks, say "Om bhuh s=
waha, Om bhuvah swaha, Om suvah swaha, Om bhurbhuvassuvah swaha" and then r=
epeat some mantra with swaha added and some ghee drops poured into fire. Su=
ch a simple sadhana also, when repeated daily, can be powerful. It is defin=
itely better than avoiding sadhana at all, just as eating just a bread sand=
wich is better than not eating at all.
* * *
Rules and technicalities are=

there to maximize the experience one gets from sadhana. They are NOT there=
to block or stop one from doing sadhana altogether. That would be counter =
productive.
Each rule, each technicality and each step in the standard pro=
cedures has some deeper meaning and motive (which is lost on people these d=
ays!), but it is ok to compromise. If you can, follow *all* the rules. If y=
ou cannot, atleast do *something* with several rules compromised, rather th=
an not doing anything at all.
Too many people are suffering from intertia =

when it comes to progressing spiritually. I see some great souls meant for =
big things also suffering from inertia at various levels. Unnecessary fear =
of rules and technicalities is part of the reason for this inertia.
This n=
eeds to be changed. Spiritually inclined people have to be empowered and bo=
ldened. The fear and inertia in them need to be destroyed. This is very muc=
h needed for not just for the individual good of those people, but the coll=
ective good of world in these interesting times.
Best regards,
Narasimha
-=
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Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedica=
stro. home.comcast. net
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<DIV>&nbs=
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<DIV>Hope you had a wonderful Janmasthami. I have again forwarded =
this mail of yours to a lot of my friends. I personally feel, this mail exa=
ctly hits the nail on the head. Clear, logical and highly relevant.</DIV>
<=
DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thank you for such mails.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DI=
V>
<DIV> Rajarshi<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DMsoNorm=
al><STRONG><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdan=
a">"This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></D=
IV></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 24/8/08, Narasimha PVR Rao <I=
><pvr@...></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LE=
FT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Nar=
asimha PVR Rao <pvr@...><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Technical=
ities that block one<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, sohamsa@yahoogrou=
ps.com, sivacharya@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Sunday, 24 August, 2008, 1:49 A=
M<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv873079113>
<DIV>Namaste friends=
,<BR><BR>Happy Sri Krishna Janmaashtami to all of you!<BR><BR>The astrologi=
cal angle I criticized in another mail today is only one aspect of the unne=
cessary technicalities that sometimes block people from progressing. There =
are other technicalities that can be done away with, when they start to blo=
ck one.<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>I recently saw the chart of a person, who I am =
sure will make much progress and be in a position to guide thousands of peo=
ple spiritually. His chart strongly suggested that he should chant Chandipa=
th or do Chandi homam and then progress will come. I told him that. He said=
he learnt Chandipath sometime ago but he does not read it regularly becaus=
e he does not have the anga nyasam and kara nyasam text. He cannot read Ind=
ian scripts and can only read English. Chandipath is available in Roman scr=
ipt from Ramakrishna math, but that only has the thirteen chapters, kavacha=
m, argala and keelakam. It does not give the
nyasas, which are given in th=
e Gita press version (available only in Indian languages). The poor guy ass=
umed he could not do it without proper nyasas and did not attempt to do it.=
<BR><BR>I told him that 13 chapters are the main thing and all else is seco=
ndary. I told him to just start with 13 chapters.<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>Like =
this, many people have various ideas about "the right way" to do it and do =
not even try things lest they should it do it "a wrong way"!<BR><BR>Of cour=
se, there *are* right ways to do poojas, japas and homas. However, there ar=
e also right ways to do so many things. Let me give an analogy using eating=
.<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>There are right ways to eat too. There are certain ma=
ntras you should say before eating, while eating and after eating. There ar=
e rules for what items should be eaten. There are rules for what order they=
should be served in, on the plate. There are rules for how the served item=
s are arranged on the plate. There are
rules for what order you eat them i=
n. There are rules for what kind of plate can be used (silver, gloden, copp=
er, banana leaf etc). There are rules for what kind of clothese the person =
serving food can wear. There are rules for what kind of clothes eater can w=
ear. There are many many rules.<BR><BR>Suppose you don't know some rules. O=
r suppose you are unable to follow some rules and have to compromise. Or su=
ppose you don't know the mantras to be recited before and after eating. Wil=
l you then stop eating? Won't it be foolish to not eat because you cannot f=
ollow all the rules and technicalities of eating? Won't you compromise wher=
ever you have to and just eat *some* food, so that you get some strength an=
d sustain yourself?<BR><BR>Friends, the *same* thing applies to spiritual s=
adhana. Whether you spend 5 hours or 1 hour or half hour or ten minutes eve=
ryday on spiritual sadhana, it should be an integral part of your life. It =
should be as important as eating
food, drinking water and breathing air. I=
n fact, it really is. Just as not eating makes you weak, not doing any sadh=
ana also makes you weak. Just as eating makes you stronger, doing some sadh=
ana also makes you stronger.<BR><BR>People are unnecessarily afraid of spir=
itual sadhana. They take all the rules and technicalities too seriously (un=
like with other things in life, such as eating, drinking, bathing etc) and =
block themselves from progressing.<BR><BR>This needs to change. People need=
to know that it is ok to compromise on most things, but important to do *s=
ome* sadhana. Just as you would eat simple dal chaval (lentil soup with ric=
e) or a bread and cheese sandwich when there is no multi-course meal that s=
atisfies the rules, you can just sit down for 15 minutes without moving and=
repeat any mantra. Or just light a fire in a silver or copper or clay bowl=
with sticks, say "Om bhuh swaha, Om bhuvah swaha, Om suvah swaha, Om bhurb=
huvassuvah swaha" and then
repeat some mantra with swaha added and some gh=
ee drops poured into fire. Such a simple sadhana also, when repeated daily,=
can be powerful. It is definitely better than avoiding sadhana at all, jus=
t as eating just a bread sandwich is better than not eating at all.<BR><BR>=
* * *<BR><BR>Rules and technicalities are there to maximize the experience =
one gets from sadhana. They are NOT there to block or stop one from doing s=
adhana altogether. That would be counter productive.<BR><BR>Each rule, each=
technicality and each step in the standard procedures has some deeper mean=
ing and motive (which is lost on people these days!), but it is ok to compr=
omise. If you can, follow *all* the rules. If you cannot, atleast do *somet=
hing* with several rules compromised, rather than not doing anything at all=
.<BR><BR>Too many people are suffering from intertia when it comes to progr=
essing spiritually. I see some great souls meant for big things also suffer=
ing from inertia at
various levels. Unnecessary fear of rules and technica=
lities is part of the reason for this inertia.<BR><BR>This needs to be chan=
ged. Spiritually inclined people have to be empowered and boldened. The fea=
r and inertia in them need to be destroyed. This is very much needed for no=
t just for the individual good of those people, but the collective good of =
world in these interesting times.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>----=
-------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -<BR>Do a Short =
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blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam</A><BR>Do Pitri=
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et=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana</A><BR>=
Spirituality: <A href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom" target=
=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom</A><=
BR>Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):
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><BR>Free Jyotish software (Windows): <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer=
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:37:55 -0000
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Namaste to all
It was a wonderful post as usual
but if i say what i think ,=
then there is a problem
of plenty.There are so many mantras ,so many deitie=
s
so many methods of worshipping GOD that one despite knowing
that all the=
se are equal still suffers some or other illusion
regards
jitender

wrot=
e:
>
> Dear Narasimhaji Pranam,
> =C2=A0
> Hope you had a wonderful Janmast=
hami. I have again forwarded this
mail of yours to a lot of my friends. I =
personally feel, this mail
exactly hits the nail on the head. Clear, logic=
al and highly
relevant.
> =C2=A0
> Thank you for such mails.
>
> -Regards=
> =C2=A0Rajarshi
>
>
>
> "This above all: to thine own self be true!" -=
Hamlet
>
> --- On Sun, 24/8/08, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@...> wrote:
>
> F=
rom: Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@...>
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Technicalities t=
hat block one
> To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, =
> Date: Sunday, 24 August, 2008, 1:49 AM
>
>
=
>
>
>
>
> Namaste friends,
>
> Happy Sri Krishna Janmaashtami to all o=
f you!
>
> The astrological angle I criticized in another mail today is on=
ly
one aspect of the unnecessary technicalities that sometimes block
peop=
le from progressing. There are other technicalities that can be
done away =
with, when they start to block one.
>
> * * *
>
> I recently saw the char=
t of a person, who I am sure will make much
progress and be in a position =
to guide thousands of people
spiritually. His chart strongly suggested tha=
t he should chant
Chandipath or do Chandi homam and then progress will com=
e. I told
him that. He said he learnt Chandipath sometime ago but he does =
not
read it regularly because he does not have the anga nyasam and kara
n=
yasam text. He cannot read Indian scripts and can only read
English. Chand=
ipath is available in Roman script from Ramakrishna
math, but that only ha=
s the thirteen chapters, kavacham, argala and
keelakam. It does not give t=
he nyasas, which are given in the Gita
press version (available only in In=
dian languages). The poor guy
assumed he could not do it without proper ny=
asas and did not attempt
to do it.
>
> I told him that 13 chapters are th=
e main thing and all else is
secondary. I told him to just start with 13 c=
hapters.
>
> * * *
>
> Like this, many people have various ideas about "t=
he right way" to
do it and do not even try things lest they should it do i=
t "a wrong
way"!
>
> Of course, there *are* right ways to do poojas, japa=
s and homas.
However, there are also right ways to do so many things. Let =
me give
an analogy using eating.
>
> * * *
>
> There are right ways to e=
at too. There are certain mantras you
should say before eating, while eati=
ng and after eating. There are
rules for what items should be eaten. There=
are rules for what order
they should be served in, on the plate. There ar=
e rules for how the
served items are arranged on the plate. There are rule=
s for what
order you eat them in. There are rules for what kind of plate c=
an be
used (silver, gloden, copper, banana leaf etc). There are rules for =
what kind of clothese the person serving food can wear. There are
rules f=
or what kind of clothes eater can wear. There are many many
rules.
>
> Su=
ppose you don't know some rules. Or suppose you are unable to
follow some =
rules and have to compromise. Or suppose you don't know
the mantras to be =
recited before and after eating. Will you then
stop eating? Won't it be fo=
olish to not eat because you cannot
follow all the rules and technicalitie=
s of eating? Won't you
compromise wherever you have to and just eat *some*=
food, so that
you get some strength and sustain yourself?
>
> Friends, t=
he *same* thing applies to spiritual sadhana. Whether
you spend 5 hours or=
1 hour or half hour or ten minutes everyday on
spiritual sadhana, it shou=
ld be an integral part of your life. It
should be as important as eating f=
ood, drinking water and breathing
air. In fact, it really is. Just as not =
eating makes you weak, not
doing any sadhana also makes you weak. Just as =
eating makes you
stronger, doing some sadhana also makes you stronger.
>
=
> People are unnecessarily afraid of spiritual sadhana. They take
all the =
rules and technicalities too seriously (unlike with other
things in life, =
such as eating, drinking, bathing etc) and block
themselves from progressi=
ng.
>
> This needs to change. People need to know that it is ok to
compro=
mise on most things, but important to do *some* sadhana. Just
as you would=
eat simple dal chaval (lentil soup with rice) or a
bread and cheese sandw=
ich when there is no multi-course meal that
satisfies the rules, you can j=
ust sit down for 15 minutes without
moving and repeat any mantra. Or just =
light a fire in a silver or
copper or clay bowl with sticks, say "Om bhuh =
swaha, Om bhuvah
swaha, Om suvah swaha, Om bhurbhuvassuvah swaha" and then=
repeat
some mantra with swaha added and some ghee drops poured into fire.=
Such a simple sadhana also, when repeated daily, can be powerful. It

is =
definitely better than avoiding sadhana at all, just as eating
just a brea=
d sandwich is better than not eating at all.
>
> * * *
>
> Rules and tech=
nicalities are there to maximize the experience one
gets from sadhana. The=
y are NOT there to block or stop one from
doing sadhana altogether. That w=
ould be counter productive.
>
> Each rule, each technicality and each step=
in the standard
procedures has some deeper meaning and motive (which is l=
ost on
people these days!), but it is ok to compromise. If you can, follow=
*all* the rules. If you cannot, atleast do *something* with several

rule=
s compromised, rather than not doing anything at all.
>
> Too many people =
are suffering from intertia when it comes to
progressing spiritually. I se=
e some great souls meant for big things
also suffering from inertia at var=
ious levels. Unnecessary fear of
rules and technicalities is part of the r=
eason for this inertia.
>
> This needs to be changed. Spiritually inclined=
people have to be
empowered and boldened. The fear and inertia in them ne=
ed to be
destroyed. This is very much needed for not just for the individu=
al
good of those people, but the collective good of world in these
intere=
sting times.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> ------------ --------- ------=
--- --------- --------- --------- -
> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www=
.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.Vedic=
Ast rologer.org/
tarpana
> Spirituality: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/v=
edic- wisdom
> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast.=
net
> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org
> S=
> ---------=
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>
>
>
>
>
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Narasimhaji,
Please check the below 23 mins video by Manis pandit ji.
http=
://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=3D6487898956921097502&q=3Dganapati
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Kumar Ghanta
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha=
P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...>
wrote:
>
> Namaste,
>
> Thanks for the link. Yes,=
the person in the video is my guru Dr
Manish Pandit. He is the same perso=
n mentioned in the introduction of
the homam manuals as the one instructed=
by Her to spread homam.
>
> He performs homam using a slightly different=
procedure, but it is
mostly similar to what we taught in the manual. The =
video is only 6
or 7 minutes long. So obviously it is not the entire homam=
. It is
only a part of it.
>
> He asked me to record a video just like t=
he audio, with exactly
what is in the manual, and put it on the web. But i=
t never worked out
so far.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> -------------=
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urself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: =
> Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.=
> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home=
.comcast.net
> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.=
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> ---=
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>
> --- =
In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "malladi_bharathi"
<malladi_bharathi@> wrote:
=
> >
> >
> > Namaste Reema,
> >
> > I think he is Dr. Maneesh Pandit (Nara=
simha's guru). No wonder
> > Narasimha's manual on Ganesh Homam matches hi=
s vidhi.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Bharathi Kumar
> >
> > --- In sohamsa@=
yahoogroups.com, "Reema Patel Sriganesh"
> > <reema_sriganesh@> wrote:
> >=
>
> > > || Hare Rama Krushna ||
> > >
> > > Namaskaar everyone,
> > >
> =
> > I thought somebody might find this useful. I certainly found it
to
> =
> be.
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dvd5bJw9WH1w
> > >
> > =
> The saadhaka does it gracefully. His mantra ucchaar also seems
good.
> >=
> Although, the vidhi is not in its entirety (or may be it is?),
I
> > f=
ound
> > > it to be quite similar to what Narasimha Ji describes in the
Ho=
mam
> > > manual.
> > >
> > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,
> > > Reema.
> =
> >
> > > Om Tat Sat Brahmaarpanamastu |
>
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Namaste,
Yes, sticking to one mantra and doing japam without any desire or
expectation is the *best* way to do spiritual sadhana. If you are doing
different mantras for different purposes (e.g. marital bliss, children,
money, job etc), it is ok to do many mantras. But, for spiritual progress,
it is better to leave everything else and get hold of just one mantra.
If you pray to any god to the best of your ability, using the best procedure
to *your knowledge*, without any expectations, then it is *never* a wrong
thing to do. Learn to love god, learn to ask god to help you overcome ego,
learn to *not* ask god for petty and impermanent things and learn to not
fear god or worship.
In my judgment, Shiva or Dattatreya are the best for you. Stick to a guru
form of god.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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> Dear Sir,
> This article has given me a lot of hope.
> Sir I learned trancendental meditation when i was in 8th class.I
> practised it for some time.During college years i read the Mahabharat
> and many other religious texts.I always did daily puja with a lot of
> bhakti.
> Three years ago, i met Vashisthji in Gondia--He is a retired officer
> of the irrigation department--He thaught me the basics .
> of astrology.He also guided me to do jaap.During navrati i did jaap of
> devi's navarn mantra.Then during saawan month i did jaap of shiva's
> panchakshari mantra.Last chaitra navratri i did gayatri jaap and again
> this shravan i did Shiva's jaap.
> But all this was done without any nyas or any of the other things
> that you have mentioned.I always wondered whether what i was doing was
> right, but still went ahead thinking that taking Gods name cannot be
> wrong.Also all these jaap were done without asking for anything in
> return.Am i right ?I dont know sanskrit so though i have so many books
> i am unable to learn from them.
> Also from sometime i have been thinking that it might be better if i
> stuck to one mantra rather than doing so many different ones.I would
> be greatfull to you.Please help me.
> My dob is 28 nov. 1967;pob is mumbai;and tob is 8.20am.
> sorry about the lenth of this mail,but quite frankly i could go on and on.
> Thank you and waiting for your reply.
> Sunita.
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Namaste,
I am cc'ing the reply to the lists, maintaining your privacy.
> Is the criteria for accepting somebody as our Guru that the person
> must give us a mantra/or ask us to chant some specific mantra?
> What if we are already chanting some mantra?
Let me give a simple analogy. Suppose one is digging with a spade to find
water. Spade is a tool and represents a mantra or a maalaa or an idol etc.
Digging represents sadhana and search for god. Finding water is finding god.
A guru is one who helps one in the process of digging and enables one to
find water. If one is using a bad spade, he may give a good spade. If one is
digging inefficiently, he may teach a better and smarter way to dig. If one
is digging in a wrong place, he may show where to dig (which god to worship)
for faster results. So, a guru should simply help one in finding god.
Exactly what help is needed depends on the situation. It is neither
necessary nor sufficient to give a mantra.
Some gurus give mantras or other objects such as idols or maalas etc and
transfer some of their sadhana through that medium. In my experience that I
mentioned, my guru sent me a rudraksha maalaa he specially made for me and
he tranferred some of his sadhana and acquired purity to me through that
medium and that made some things possible for me.
When Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) went to Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, he

touched Narendranath's chest with his foot and Narendranath went into
samadhi. Ramana Maharshi just glanced at Ganapathi Muni silently and all of
latter's questions were answered. There are different gurus, different
sishyas, different karmas, different rinas and different relationships.
> Or is it that since it is from a book, I cannot call him as my Guru and I
> dont have a guru yet? Should I think that a guru is yet to come for me?
:-) Two things. Books and emails such as this one are not just words. They
consist of words at the gross level and thoughts at a subtler level.
Depending on the energy (purity) level of the person composing those books
or emails, some energy is placed in the words and the thoughts behind them.
Depending on your own capacity to receive and your own rinas with the
author, you may grasp some of that energy, get the right thoughts from the
words and benefit from them. The words themselves are just useless. It is
the thoughts and energy behind them that may actually benefit someone and
help in internal purification.
Secondly, one can have many gurus, though one ideally wants one guru who
takes care of it all. Dattatreya had many gurus.
> Is it necessary that a Guru should be alive and should directly speak
> to us and give a mantra to consider him as out Guru?
Let me deviate a bit. I was once meditating in the garbhalaya of a temple,

sitting directly in front of a yogi. We were both meditating on Savitri
Gayatri mantra. After half hour or so, I lost normal awareness of my body
and I felt like I was some all-pervading orange light. I saw that there was
a person at the center of that light, who was emiting that light. When I
looked closer, it was that yogi (who was sitting in front of me and
meditating). After a little time, he suddenly changed into another person
that I could recognize. This was a very famous spiritual giant from the past
and he was not alive then. I wondered "why did X change into Y". That
disturbed my focus and my regular self-awareness returned and I became aware
that I was Narasimha meditating in that garbhalaya and X was sitting in
front of me. I opened my eyes. At the same time, that yogi also opened his
eyes. Without my saying anything, he asked "you saw me, no?" I was surprised
that he knew it. However, what baffled me the most was why he transformed
into Y. I stuttered, "but...". Without my finishing it, he remarked, "you
see Narasimha, the blessings of my guru of last life are still with me. That
is why you saw him in me!" He not only knew what I saw, but explained it
succintly. This yogi attributes a lot of progress he made in this life to
his past life guru (in addition to current life guru of course). His
gratitude to his past life guru is immense. Existence of such people
convinces me fully that when a spiritual giant comes and goes, his thoughts
and his energy linger on earth for a long time and those who are
sufficiently pure and receptive can actually receive from them. The body in
which the soul lived may decay, but Maharshi Vasishtha teaches that thoughts
of the person never die and stay in space for ever and may guide many.
Bottomline: You can consider anybody as your guru. If you are lucky, that
person will also consider you as a sishya and have a more active
relationship. A more active guru may even take some really blocking karmas
from a disciple to speed up purification and progress. Thus, it is
beneficial to have such a guru. But, when you are talking about a spiritual
giant, even a passive (from his/her side) relationship is immensely
beneficial.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Respected Sir,
This mail was really worth reading.

But I have a few doubts. Is the criteria for accepting somebody as
our Guru that the person must give us a mantra/or ask us to chant
some specific mantra?
What if we are already chanting some mantra?
I have been chanting Shiv mantra since my childhood, as I had a some
kind of affinity towards Shiv and Shiv mantra(like in dreams I would
see myself chanting shive mantra, or when I get up in the morning the
mantra would come to my mind automatically, even if I was not
thinking about it). But I never practised chanting the mantra till I
I read about meditation and mantra from a book written by Swami
Chinmayananda(when I was in 8th or 9th std). Since then I thought of
Swami Chinmayananda as my spritual Guru. More than that I grew up
reading Swamiji's books and listening to his Geeta classes whenever
he came to my native place. So is it right to consider him as my Guru
because I got the mantra from his book and started chanting after
reading the book? Or is it that since it is from a book, I cannot
call him as my Guru and I dont have a guru yet? Should I think that a
guru is yet to come for me?
Is it necessary that a Guru should be alive and should directly speak
to us and give a mantra to consider him as out Guru? I know, I am
putting the same question in different ways, but still, these are my
doubts.
Please let me know your comments on this.
With respects,
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Of course, one can conduct a homam at one's home. In fact, a bra=

ahmana is supposed to do a minimum agni karyam at home everyday. If not a h=
omam for a deity, atleast start fire and make ahutis to Prajapati, Indra, A=
gni etc. That much agni kaaryam a brahmin is supposed to do everyday at hom=
e.
In fact, some people used to not only perform a regular homam at home,=
but cook right next to homam and take fire from homam to start fire in sto=
ve for cooking. Until recently, there were people who were performing homam=
daily at home.
When homam is performed for several special occasions (su=

ch a griha pravesam, upanayanam etc), priests do perform homam at home.
T=
he practical difficculty is the smoke from homam. It can be uncomfortable f=
or some people. But it is good. Once, Srila Prabhupada was conducting a hom=
am in an apartment in New York. When poornahuti was offered, there was a lo=
t of smoke. When some people were covering their noses, Srila Prabhupada to=
ld them, "no no, this smoke is very good for you. Don't cover noses."
Tho=
se who have trouble with smoke can minimize it by using ghee minimally, avo=
iding wood completely and relying on dry coconut (copra).
Yajnas that are=

done on a bigger scale for specific material goals are typically not perfo=
rmed inside the house. Those are formal events. You are calling several god=
s and appeasing them. After all, you want a specific material thing and are=
doing "business" with them. So some protocols are to be employed. The plac=
e should be suitable for all of them to come and do "business" with you. Ho=
wever, a homam done for spiritual growth is a personal and informal affair =
and not formal business. Your home is perfectly fine.
Probably the confus=

ion arises from yajnas.
Mr Babu is the son of a great man. But, unfortuna=

tely, it is not good karma to spread wrong views that may discourage some p=
eople from doing good things. But what to do?
Best regards,
Narasimha
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> Dear Narasimha Gar=
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>
> I have been following your postings on the doing homams. However is=
> it advisable to conduct homam at one's home? In one of TV interviews

>=
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> that =
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>
> sincere regards
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> Namaste,
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> Yes, sticking to one mantra and doing japam without any=
desire or
> expectation is the *best* way to do spiritual sadhana. If you =
are doing
> different mantras for different purposes (e.g. marital bliss, c=
hildren,
> money, job etc), it is ok to do many mantras. But, for spiritual=
progress,
> it is better to leave everything else and get hold of just one=
mantra.
>
> If you pray to any god to the best of your ability, using the=
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*never* a
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> learn to *not* ask god for petty and impermanent thing=
s and learn to not
> fear god or worship.
>
> In my judgment, Shiva or Dat=
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guru
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> It is perfectly OK if you reply on the forum,

> I have had conf=
licts of thought on the concept of brahmacharya
> in house-holders. Especia=
lly when one of the spouses is
> inclined to brahmacharya and the other is =
equally opposite.
This is the dilemma faced by a lot of householders. You =

asked specifically about one area of life. I will actually generalize the q=
uestion a bit and answer it.
Suppose you want to engage in what you percei=

ve as a good action and someone is throwing obstacles. Should you fight and=
try to engage in the action at any cost or accept the obstacle as a fruit =
of previous karma and move on? This is a very tricky question. Let me give =
my 2 cents on it.
* * *
It is true that one has to engage i=

n the right actions. However, it is also true that the reactions to previou=
s actions are received constantly and they create various easy and difficul=
t circumstances for current actions. In other words, all our actions take p=
lace in the backdrop of encouraging or discouraging circumstances created b=
y nature as a reaction to our previous actions.
If somebody is throwing ob=

stacles at you, giving you trouble and stopping you from engaging in what y=
ou consider as the right action, it is obviously a payback for previous act=
ions. Of course, if the person being used as a medium for this payback by t=
he nature identifies with that action (of throwing an obstacle at you), it =
becomes new karma for that person and that person will have to pay for it l=
ater. But that is *that person's* problem and not yours. As far as you are =
concerned, nature is finding a medium (other person creating problems) and =
paying you back for your past actions via that medium. You should not waste=
time and emotional energy in thoughts like "why is this happening" or "I w=
ish this did not happen".
One cannot be stuck in the past and should live =

in the present. The only question one should always focus on is: what is th=
e correct action *now*? Past actions are over. Their fruits are not in our =
hands. There is no point in thinking about them. We should only think about=
what to do *now*.
* * *
Acceptance of the fruits of previo=

us actions is a must for progress. However, accepting the fruit of a previo=
us action does not mean not fighting it. If the correct action *now* is to =
fight, one should fight. But, even as one fights, one should not be thinkin=
g "why did this happen" or "I hate this" or "why is he doing this to me" or=
"why did I do that before" etc. Emotional investment in such thoughts is a=
waste of time and energy and, more importantly, an unnecessary new karma!!=
Accept that a karma has been committed and a fruit (tasty or rotten) has b=
een given by the nature. Accept it. The only question is: what is the right=
course of action now? Focus on that consciously.
Suppose you are driving =

on a one lane road and someone is going very slowly in front of you. You sl=
owed someone down in the past and caused inconvenience. For that karma, nat=
ure used a new person as the medium and paid you back. Now, a lot of people=
become frustrated and start cursing the person in front of them. That is u=
seless and new karma. That amounts to not accepting the fruit of a previous=
karma. Instead, think of what to do. Can you take a different turn and cha=
nge the route? Is it worthwhile? If not, is there an area where you can saf=
ely and legally overtake the slow car by driving on the other side of the r=
oad momentarily? Think along the lines of current action and pick the best =
possible action. If even the best possible action is not good enough, well,=
so be it. Nothing can be done about it.
Thus, I am differentiating betwee=

n not accepting the fruits of previous actions and picking correct current =
actions to overcome the trouble caused by the fruits of previous actions. T=
he former is bad and avoidable. The latter is fine.
If you are always focu=

ssed on the "present" and "current action", without the unnecessary emotion=
al baggage of "why" and "why not" about the past, you minimize emotional su=
ffering and energy dispersion and maximize your efficiency. Thus, this appr=
oach makes sense not only spiritually but practically too.
* * =
*
While that is good, that is not all. Even one behaving like that will=
incur new karmas. Each current action becomes new karma and gives fruits l=
ater. In fact, each action has various repercussions and enables various ot=
her people to engage in various other actions. A part of all those actions =
enabled by one's action comes to the doer of the original action. Thus, eac=
h new action generates several new karmas. This will result in fruits later=
on, which may encourage or discourage one's future actions.
How do we get=
out of this cycle? Well, by performing the action without a sense of owner=
ship. However, the fact that we are engaging in an action means there is an=
expected result. We are performing an action because we ideally want a par=
ticular result and our judgment says that this action will bring that resul=
t. When we want a result and do an action, how can we let go the sense of o=
wnership over it?
It is mighty tough. That is why I suggest an intermedia=

te step. When planning an action, think of a goal and plan the action. But,=
once the action is done, you can forget about the goal as well as the acti=
on. When an action finishes, surrender ownership over it to the Lord. Think=
that you are now not the owner of the action or its goal or its fruit. It =
belongs to Lord. Don't waste any further time thinking and analyzing the ta=
sk. "Oops, I should have done like that", "Why couldn't I do it right", "Wi=
ll it work? Will I get it?" etc are useless thoughts. Once the action is ov=
er, there is really nothing you need to do. You should surrender it to the =
Lord and move on (to focus on the next action).
* * *
I am=
not giving a specific solution to a specific problem here, but outlining t=
he methodology.
Going back to your example, suppose your current desired =

good action is brahmacharya. Suppose the obstacle is that your spouse force=
s you to have sex. This is a fruit of your previous actions. There is no re=
ason to hate him or dislike him or harbor ill-feelings for him. That amount=
s to not accepting the fruits of your actions. That does not pertain to the=
question "what should be the current action". That is more like "why I hat=
e the fruit of my previous action". That is a useless activity.
Instead se=
e if there is something that can be done. By discussing or even fighting (i=
t is possible to fight without hatred or anger in the heart. Anger and hatr=
ed in the heart is non-acceptance of the fruit of previous actions, while t=
he act of fighting or appearing to fight can merely be the best current act=
ion!), do you have a decent chance of convincing? If you think you do, that=
may be the correct current action to undertake. If not, don't waste time. =
If you have to anyway go through with something, you just go through with i=
t. When the correct action you want is impossible, you perform whatever act=
ion is the best among feasible actions.
Anyway, whichever action you perf=

orm - good or bad, you surrender it to Lord in the end! So, it matters only=
for a short while. After that, the action is not yours anyway. If it is an=
action you are performing without interest, you can try to surrender the a=
ction to the Lord even as the action is being performed and try to do it wi=
thout attachment and involvement. Of course, the same can done with actions=
you like also, but it is more difficult.
Whether good or bad, if an acti=

on is surrendered to the Lord, we form a distance from it. We do not think =
too much about it and we do not waste time speculating about what result wi=
ll come etc.
* * *
Bottomline: Two thumb rules: (1) Focus o=
n current action and always ask "what is the *best* thing I can do in the *=
current* circumstances? (2) After doing what you decided do, surrender the =
owenership over that action, its goals and its fruits to God. Do NOT think =
about that action or its goals or its fruits after that. Think about someth=
ing else (like "what should I do NOW").
* * *
Actually what=
I wanted to write is not over, but my budget of time is over. So I have to=
stop for tonight. I have been busy at work and working late hours everyday=
and coming home quite late, for the last 2.5 weeks. I was also working ful=
l days in the last 2 weekends. I have been sleeping very little and today I=
want to get a little extra sleep.
What I mentioned is karma yoga in a nut=

shell (not the above about work and sleep ;-) but the stuff before it). Bh=
agavad Geeta is a great text. Swami Vivekananda's book on Karma Yoga is a g=
ood one.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Sri Narasimha garu,
Namaskar.
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Pardon me for writing to your mail id.
I have had conflicts of thought =
on the concept of brahmacharya in house-holders.
Especially when one of t=
he spouses is inclined to brahmacharya and the other is equally opposite. W=
hen the children are grown enough to 'flow the nest', a western derivative =
and the primary objective of raising children is over and done with, indulg=
ence( over??) soemtimes provokes these thoughts. Especially when I read mai=
ls like these. This has been my personal dilemma. To be or not to be, that =
is the question...
I would be frank here, my spouse 'enjoys' the physical=
aspect of marital bliss and though I feel it affects the marriage, I pref=
er to delegate it to the last of my list. This has been a source of argumen=
ts and conflicts and I sometimes feel if it is my 'duty' to be a part of it=
. It is at times like these that I tend to 'surrender' to The Divine Mother=
, the very physical act. I am riddled with doubts if it is alright to do so=
but take solace that She is the Akhilandakoti Brahmandanayika who is overs=
eeing the whole world.
I also feel very closely aligned to the Mother a=

nd constantly 'talk' to her for reassurance etc and she has never failed to=
guide me through, albeit through subtle cryptic messages which I cannot sh=
are with my spouse but with my siblings and mother who are all very spiritu=
ally inclined.
In my recent visit to India, I had an onerous task of ... =
It was accomplished single-handedly( unseen Grace) and ... I feel that the =
purpose of my birth is not just 'living' but transform this diseased body i=
nto a 'vessel of Godhead' as She had herself communicated to my question on=
one of my birthdays. But i feel that I have not been doing anything about =
the cleansing the 'sareeras' to make it fit for the Divine to manifest in e=
ach of the cells of my body. I have just started to chant Vishnusahasranama=
m each week at my friends' houses which also does not seem to give that ana=
nda that I derive just bringing one of Her names to my mind and her picture=
which makes it impossible for me to continue with ther sahasranamam.
Ma=
y I have your thoughts on these?
It is perfectly OK is you reply on the f=
orum,
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stopping you from engaging in what you consider as the right
action, it i=
s obviously a payback for previous actions. Of course, if the person
being=
used as a medium for this payback by the nature identifies with that
acti=
on (of throwing an obstacle at you), it becomes new karma for that person
=
and that person will have to pay for it later. But that is *that person's* =
problem and not yours. As far as you are concerned, nature is finding a me=
dium
(other person creating problems) and paying you back for your pa=
st actions
via that medium. You should not waste time and emotional energy=
in thoughts like
"why is this happening" or "I wish this did not happen".=
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FO=
NT face=3DArial size=3D2>One cannot be stuck in the past and should live in=
the present. The only question one should always focus on is: what is the=
correct action *now*? Past actions are over. Their fruits are not in our =
hands.
There is no point in thinking about them. We should only think abou=
t what to do
*now*.</FONT></DIV>
nbsp;</DIV>
;
* *</FONT></DIV>
<=
size=3D2>Acceptance of the fruits of previous actions is a
must for progr=
ess. However, accepting the fruit of a previous action does not
mean not f=
ighting it. If the correct action *now* is to fight, one should fight.
But=
, even as one fights, one should not be thinking "why did this happen" or "=
I
hate this" or "why is he doing this to me" or "why did I do that before"=
etc.
Emotional investment in such thoughts is a waste of time and en=
ergy and,
more importantly, an unnecessary new karma!! Accept that a =
karma has been
committed and a fruit (tasty or rotten) has been given by t=
he nature. Accept it.
The only question is: what is the right course of ac=
tion now? Focus on that
consciously.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Suppose you a=
re driving on a one lane road and
someone is going very slowly in front of=
you. You slowed someone down in the
past and caused inconvenience. For th=
at karma, nature used a new person as the
medium and paid you back. Now, a=
lot of people become frustrated and start
cursing the person in front of =
them. That is useless and new karma. That amounts
to not accepting the fru=
it of a previous karma. Instead, think of what to do.
Can you take a diffe=
rent turn and change the route? Is it worthwhile? If not, is
there an area=
where you can safely and legally overtake the slow car by driving
on the =
other side of the road momentarily? Think along the lines of current
actio=
n and pick the best possible action. If even the best possible action is
n=
ot good enough, well, so be it. Nothing can be done about it.</FONT></DIV>
=
l size=3D2>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thus, I am differentiating bet=
ween not accepting
the fruits of previous actions and picking correct curr=
ent actions to overcome
the trouble caused by the fruits of previous actio=
ns. The former is bad and
avoidable. The latter is fine.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
<DIV>If you are always foc=
ussed on the "present" and "current action", without
the unnecessary emoti=
onal baggage of "why" and "why not" about the
past, you minimize emot=
ional suffering and energy dispersion and maximize
your efficiency. Thus, =
this approach makes sense not only spiritually but
practically too.</DIV>
=
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>*
* =
*</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>While t=
hat is good, that is not all. Even one behaving like that will incur
new k=
armas. Each current action becomes new karma and gives fruits later. In
fa=
ct, each action has various repercussions and enables various other people =
to
engage in various other actions. A part of all those actions enabled by=
one's
action comes to the doer of the original action. Thus, each new act=
ion generates
several new karmas. This will result in fruits later on, whi=
ch may encourage or
discourage one's future actions.</DIV>
<DIV> </DI=
V>
<DIV>How do we get out of this cycle? Well, by performing the action wit=
hout a
sense of ownership. However, the fact that we are engaging in an ac=
tion means
there is an expected result. We are performing an action becaus=
e we ideally want
a particular result and our judgment says that this acti=
on will bring that
result. When we want a result and do an action, how can=
we let go the sense of
ownership over it?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It=
is mighty tough. That is why I suggest an intermediate step. When
plannin=
g an action, think of a goal and plan the action. But, once the action is
=
done, you can forget about the goal as well as the action. When an action
=
finishes, surrender ownership over it to the Lord. Think that you are now n=
ot
the owner of the action or its goal or its fruit. It belongs to Lord. D=
on't
waste any further time thinking and analyzing the task. "Oops, I shou=
ld have
done like that", "Why couldn't I do it right", "Will it work? Will=
I get it?"
etc are useless thoughts. Once the action is over, there is re=
ally nothing you
need to do. You should surrender it to the Lord and move =
on (to focus on the
next action).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>* &nbs=
p;
* &nbs=
p; *</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am not giving a specific solution to a =
specific problem here, but
outlining the methodology.</DIV>
<DIV> </D=
IV>
<DIV>Going back to your example, suppose your current desired good acti=
on is
brahmacharya. Suppose the obstacle is that your spouse forces you to=
have sex.
This is a fruit of your previous actions. There is no reason to=
hate him or
dislike him or harbor ill-feelings for him. That amounts to n=
ot accepting the
fruits of your actions. That does not pertain to the ques=
tion "what should be
the current action". That is more like "why I hate th=
e fruit of my previous
action". That is a useless activity.</DIV>
<DIV>&nb=
sp;</DIV>
<DIV>Instead see if there is something that can be done. By discu=
ssing or even
fighting (it is possible to fight without hatred or anger in=
the heart. Anger
and hatred in the heart is non-acceptance of the fruit o=
f previous actions,
while the act of fighting or appearing to fight can me=
rely be the best current
action!), do you have a decent chance of convinci=
ng? If you think you do, that
may be the correct current action to underta=
ke. If not, don't waste time. If you
have to anyway go through with someth=
ing, you just go through with it. When the
correct action you want is impo=
ssible, you perform whatever action is the best
among feasible actions.</D=
IV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anyway, whichever action you perform - good or b=
ad, you surrender it to
Lord in the end! So, it matters only for a short w=
hile. After that, the action
is not yours anyway. If it is an action you a=
re performing without interest, you
can try to surrender the action to the=
Lord even as the action is being
performed and try to do it without attac=
hment and involvement. Of course, the
same can done with actions you like =
also, but it is more difficult.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Whether good o=
r bad, if an action is surrendered to the Lord, we form a
distance from it=
. We do not think too much about it and we do not waste time
speculating a=
bout what result will come etc.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>* &=
nbsp;
* =
*</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Bottomline: Two thumb rules: (1) Focus on cu=
rrent action and always ask
"what is the *best* thing I can do in the *cur=
rent* circumstances? (2) After
doing what you decided do, surrender the ow=
enership over that action, its goals
and its fruits to God. Do NOT think a=
bout that action or its goals or its fruits
after that. Think about someth=
ing else (like "what should I do NOW").</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>* =
;
* =
; *</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Actually what I wanted to write is n=
ot over, but my budget of time is over.
So I have to stop for tonight. I h=
ave been busy at work and working late hours
everyday and coming home quit=
e late, for the last 2.5 weeks. I was also working
full days in the last 2=
weekends. I have been sleeping very little
and today I want to get a=
little extra sleep.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>What I mentioned is karma=
yoga in a nut shell (not the above about work and
sleep ;-) but the stuff=
before it). Bhagavad Geeta is a great text. Swami
Vivekananda's book on K=
arma Yoga is a good one.</FONT></DIV>
NT> </DIV></DIV>
regards,<BR>Na=
rasimha<BR>----------------------------------------------------------------=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Hare Rama Krsna</=
DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: verdana, helvetica, sans=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sri Narasimha garu,</FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Namaskar.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
ce=3DArial size=3D2>Pardon me for writing to your mail
id.</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have had conflicts of thought on the c=
oncept of
brahmacharya in house-holders.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>Especially when one of the spouses is inclined
to =
;brahmacharya and the other is equally opposite. When the children are
g=
rown enough to 'flow the nest', a western derivative and the primary
obj=
ective of raising children is over and done with, indulgence( over??)
so=
emtimes provokes these thoughts. Especially when I read mails like these.
=
This has been my personal dilemma. To be or not to be, that is the
que=
stion...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I would be frank h=
ere, my spouse 'enjoys' the
physical aspect of marital bliss and though =
I feel it affects
the marriage, I prefer to delegate it to th=
e last of my list. This has
been a source of arguments and conflicts and=
I sometimes feel if it is
my 'duty' to be a part of it. =
It is at times like these that I tend
to 'surrender' to The Divine =
Mother, the very physical act. I am riddled
with doubts if it is alright=
to do so but take solace that She is the
Akhilandakoti Brahmandanayika =
who is overseeing the whole world. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I also feel=
very closely aligned to the Mother
and constantly 'talk' to her for rea=
ssurance etc and she has never failed to
guide me through, albeit throug=
h subtle cryptic messages which I cannot share
with my spouse but with m=
y siblings and mother who are all very spiritually
inclined.</FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In my recent visit to India, I had an =
onerous
task of ... It was accomplished single-handedly( unseen Grace) a=
nd ... I feel
that the purpose of my birth is not just 'living' but tran=
sform this diseased
body into a 'vessel of Godhead' as She had herself c=
ommunicated to my question
on one of my birthdays. But i feel that I hav=
e not been doing anything about
the cleansing the 'sareeras' to make it =
fit for the Divine to manifest in each
of the cells of my body. I have j=
ust started to chant Vishnusahasranamam each
week at my friends' houses =
which also does not seem to give that ananda that I
derive just bringing=
one of Her names to my mind and her picture which makes
it impossible f=
or me to continue with ther sahasranamam.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>May I=
have your thoughts on these?</FONT></DIV>
=3D2>It is perfectly OK is you reply on the
forum,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
ze=3D2>Kind Regards,</FONT></DIV>
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Namaste to all
Since i have read Aghora:kundalini

and about gayatri mantra=
in it i always wanted to know
about it and recently saw this mantra on Sh=
. Freedom Cole's Website
Aum bhuh,
Aum bhuvah,
Aum swahah,
Aum mahah,
=
Aum janah,
Aum tapah,
Aum satyam
Tat savitur vareniyam
Bhargo devasya dhi=
mahi
Dhiyo yonah pracodayat
Aum apo jyoti raso amrtam
Brahma bhur bhuvas su=
var om
could somebody please tell what is the differnce in

Gayatri and Sa=
vitur gayatri mantra
regards
jitender
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Dear Narasimha ji
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homam on the
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Dear Swadhin ji and others,
It is a great day for worshipping Mahaganapathi or starting a new sadhana.
One possibility is Virgo lagna, an hour or so after sunrise. Lagna would be

powerful with 1st, 9th (dharma and bhagya) and 10th (karma) lords and also
the 8th lord (tapascharya).
Jupiter in lagna is great for sadhana. Thus, Sagittarius lagna is great.

That may not work out for several people, as it is in the early afternoon.
Also, Pisces lagna would be good. Lagna lord Jupiter in 10th, Sun and Saturn
in 6th and Rahu in 11th would be well-placed. Aries lagna would have a
powerful 6th house of siddhi and 9th house of dharma and bhagya.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 2:05 AM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Muhurta for Ganapati homam on the coming Ganesh
Chaturthi
> Dear Narasimha ji

>
> Many of us will take the opportunity to do the Ganapati homam on the
> coming vinayaka chathurthi. Do you have any additional advice to
> follow on this occasion? Particularly, we need your advice for an
> auspicious moment to start the homam. Since many of us are living in
> different time zone some hints of combination of planetary positions
> will be helpful.
>
> Best regards,
> Swadhin
> P.S. The following day will be Risi panchami for people to do a guru puja.

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Dear Narashimha ji,
Thanks a lot for your timely reply. I could take advan=

tage of the rare
combination of 4 planets in Virgo lagna to do the homam of=
Shri
Mahaganapati. I hope other members might have the opportunity to do
=
the homam on that auspicious time.
Best regards,
Swadhin
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dom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Swadh=
in ji and others,
>
> It is a great day for worshipping Mahaganapathi or s=
tarting a new
sadhana.
>
> One possibility is Virgo lagna, an hour or so a=
fter sunrise. Lagna
would be
> powerful with 1st, 9th (dharma and bhagya) =
and 10th (karma) lords
and also
> the 8th lord (tapascharya).
>
> Jupiter=
in lagna is great for sadhana. Thus, Sagittarius lagna is
great.
> That m=
ay not work out for several people, as it is in the early
afternoon.
>
> A=
lso, Pisces lagna would be good. Lagna lord Jupiter in 10th, Sun
and Saturn=
> in 6th and Rahu in 11th would be well-placed. Aries lagna would have a =
> powerful 6th house of siddhi and 9th house of dharma and bhagya.
>
> Be=
st regards,
> Narasimha
> -------------------------------------------------=
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> Sent: Tuesd=
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>
> > Dear Narasimha ji
> >
=
> > Many of us will take the opportunity to do the Ganapati homam on the
> =
> coming vinayaka chathurthi. Do you have any additional advice to
> > foll=
ow on this occasion? Particularly, we need your advice for an
> > auspiciou=
s moment to start the homam. Since many of us are living in
> > different t=
ime zone some hints of combination of planetary positions
> > will be helpf=
ul.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Swadhin
> > P.S. The following day will be Ri=
si panchami for people to do a
guru puja.
>

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It is attributed to Thakur Ramakrishna Paramahamsa.
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Utpal
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[
This is the message of Sri Ramakrishna to the modern world.
Care not f=
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be you this! The more of such men any country produces, the higher
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world is, `Be ye all s=
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the young and strong of every=
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Namaste friends,
I recently saw the chart of a person who is in some trou=

bles. He is troubled by some professional rivals. A priest recommended Prat=
yangira homam and performed it for him. Some people mistakenly believe that=
Pratyangira homam gives relief from this kind of petty troubles.
Inspite=
of the risk of offending some elders, I want to put my foot down and asser=
t one thing strongly and bluntly, for whatever it is worth. More learned on=
es who disagree with me may kindly forgive me and ignore me.
* * =
*
Pratyangira is a very very powerful deity and very very few peopl=
e know today how to worship her properly. I am talking about all kinds of w=
orship here - worshipping Her in an external fire and worshipping Her in on=
e's own internal fire and Kundalini shakti.
I do not want to emphasize th=
e necessity to learn to worship Her properly, because very very few people =
are actually *ready* for worshipping this form today. Many other forms are =
far more suitable for most people.
* * *
Pratyangira is a=
n astra devata (astra=3Dweapon). A powerful automatic gun may be used to sh=
oot a specific object at a large distance when an expert uses it. If one is=
not an expert, the gun may not fire at all or may hit some other object. O=
ne is better off staying away from the gun in that case.
I can give an al=

legory for today's situation w.r.t. Pratyangira.
One's Mother had a very =

powerful automatic gun. She was a high official in military and used the gu=
n in some important wars she participated in. Once upon a time, one of her =
sons learnt how to use the gun and knew how to knock down powerful enemies =
in a combat using that gun.
Many years later, a small young boy of the la=

dy was being troubled by a bully at school. He wanted to solve the problem.=
A friend at school, who was known in his circle as a smart person, suggest=
ed using his mother's gun. They messed around with mother's gun, but nothin=
g happened because they did not know how to use it. But that was good, beca=
use there could have been an accident and one of them could have been hurt =
in the exercise! Luckily, his mother put a locking mechanism on the gun bec=
ause she had young children at home. Another time, a smart frind who knew h=
ow to unlock it but not knowing fully how to use the gun, unlocked it and s=
hot it. He ended up unintentionally hurting the young boy.
In today's dee=
pening age of Kali, "locking mechanism" is put on astra vidyas such as Prat=
yangira, Bala, Atibala, Mahabala, Paashupata etc. Going back to my allegory=
, because the home (world of sadhana) now includes a lot of young boys (mos=
t of us with half-knowledge and incomplete spiritual maturity), mother has =
placed locking mechanism on dangerous weapons that are risky in the hands o=
f young children. She did not want automatic guns, assault rifles, missile =
launchers etc to be used for getting back at a school bully. When one is br=
ave enough, decides that one does not fear the possibility of death and wan=
ts to go and fight the enemies of the nation in a war, then those big weapo=
ns are useful. They are not meant for standing up to a school bully.
If s=
omeone helps us unlock the weapons, it is still a bad idea to try using the=
m. It is very risky. The best thing a child can do when a school bully is t=
roubling is to tell his mother about it and let her handle it. Taking mothe=
r's weapons and trying to handle it oneself is a very bad idea.
Simialrly=
, performing Pratyangira homam to overcome the obstacles caused by an enemy=
or a rival or take care of some such material troubles is unwise and risky=
. When one is very pure and saattwik and battle with a tamasik force has ag=
itated a highly pure one, she is to be used as a weapon to bring down that =
agitation and restore sattwa. Her purpose is a really high one and inapplic=
able to most people.
* * *
Some temples perform Pratyangi=

ra homam regularly. I see it as an obedient son taking the automatic gun of=
his mother, dusting it off, cleaning it, lubricating it and putting back w=
here it belongs. The son may do this service on a regular basis, without ex=
pecting any result and out of love for mother. That is fine.
The problem =
comes only when a son tries to use the weapon against his enemies or rivals=
.
* * *
If you look at Pratyangira's story, she came into=

being to pacify Lord Narasimha, who drank the blood of the demon he killed=
. The guna caused in him by the demon's blood created big problems for the =
universe and Pratyangira pacified Lord Narasimha and filled him with pure s=
attwa again.
If a goddess could pacify a deeply agitated and angry incarn=

ation of Narayana himself and restore sattwa in him, you can imagine what t=
hat goddess must be like. She is the ultimate power to restore saattwa and =
remove all kind of disturbance from one's consciousness. Such a high deity =
of purity, equanimity and sattwa restoration has been converted to one who =
ruins one's enemies and rivals and gives material success and several peopl=
e perform Pratyangira homam with dried red chillies etc for petty purposes.=
Just as a young boy is better off approaching one's mother when harassed=
by a school bully instead of trying to use his mother's machine gun, we ar=
e better off approaching the Mother and asking for help rather than trying =
to use Pratyangira shakti. Chandi homam, saptashati chanting, lalita sahasr=
a nama chanting etc can be used instead of Pratyangira vidya. Surrender to =
the Mother and chant her prayers, instead of trying to use her sophisticate=
d astra shakti directly.
Next time somebody suggests a Pratyangira homam =

for material problems, please think of what I wrote.
As I have already sa=

id, more learned ones who disagree with me may kindly forgive me and ignore=
me.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I recently saw the chart of a person who =

is in some
troubles. He is troubled by some professional rivals. A pr=
iest recommended
Pratyangira homam and performed it for him. Some people m=
istakenly believe that
Pratyangira homam gives relief from this kind of pe=
tty troubles.</FONT></DIV>
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Inspite of the risk of offending some=
elders, I
want to put my foot down and assert one thing strongly and blun=
tly, for whatever
it is worth. More learned ones who disagree with me may =
kindly forgive me and
ignore me.</FONT></DIV>
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p;
* *</=
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
face=3DArial size=3D2>Pratyangira is a very very powerful deity and very
=
very few people know today how to worship her properly. I am talking about =
all
kinds of worship here - worshipping Her in an external fire and worshi=
pping Her
in one's own internal fire and Kundalini shakti.</FONT></DIV>
<D=
size=3D2>I do not want to emphasize the necessity to learn
to worship Her =
properly, because very very few people are actually *ready* for
worshippin=
g this form today. Many other forms are far more suitable for most
people.=
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<DIV><FO=
NT face=3DArial size=3D2>*
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p; *</FONT></DIV>
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a is an astra devata (astra=3Dweapon). A
powerful automatic gun may b=
e used to shoot a specific object at a large
distance when an expert uses =
it. If one is not an expert, the gun may not fire
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in that case.</FO=
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tic gun. She
was a high official in military and used the gun in some impo=
rtant wars she
participated in. Once upon a time, one of her sons learnt h=
ow to use the gun and
knew how to knock down powerful enemies in a combat =
using that gun.</FONT></DIV>
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Many years later, a small young boy=
of the lady was
being troubled by a bully at school. He wanted to solve t=
he problem. A friend at
school, who was known in his circle as a smart per=
son, suggested using his
mother's gun. They messed around with mother's gu=
n, but nothing happened because
they did not know how to use it. But that =
was good, because there could have
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have been hurt in the exercise! Luckily,
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m on the gun because she had young
children at home. </FONT><FON=
T face=3DArial size=3D2>Another time, a smart
frind who knew how to unlock=
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ended up unintentionally hurting the young
boy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In=
today's deepening age of Kali, "locking
mechanism" is put on astra vidyas=
such as Pratyangira, Bala, Atibala, Mahabala,
Paashupata etc. Going back =
to my allegory, because the home (world of sadhana)
now includes a lot of =
young boys (most of us with half-knowledge and incomplete
spiritual maturi=
ty), mother has placed locking mechanism on dangerous weapons
that are ris=
ky in the hands of young children. She did not want automatic guns,
assaul=
t rifles, missile launchers etc to be used for getting back at a school
bu=
lly. When one is brave enough, decides that one does not fear the possibili=
ty
of death and wants to go and fight the enemies of the nation in a war, =
then
those big weapons are useful. They are not meant for standing up to a=
school
bully.</FONT></DIV>
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If someone helps us unlock the weap=
ons, it is still
a bad idea to try using them. It is very risky. The best =
thing a child can do
when a school bully is troubling is to tell his mothe=
r about it and let her
handle it. Taking mother's weapons and trying to ha=
ndle it oneself is a very bad
idea.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Simialrly, per=
forming Pratyangira homam to overcome
the obstacles caused by an enemy or =
a rival or take care of some such material
troubles is unwise and risky. W=
hen one is very pure and saattwik and battle with
a tamasik force has agit=
ated a highly pure one, she is to be used as a weapon to
bring down that a=
gitation and restore sattwa. Her purpose is a really high one
and inapplic=
able to most people.</FONT></DIV>
FONT></DIV>
;
* *</FONT></DIV>
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size=3D2>Some temples perform Pratyangira homam regularly. I
see it as an=
obedient son taking the automatic gun of his mother, dusting it
off, clea=
ning it, lubricating it and putting back where it belongs. The son may
do =
this service on a regular basis, without expecting any result and out of lo=
ve
for mother. That is fine.</FONT></DIV>
> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The problem comes onl=
y when a son tries to use the
weapon against his enemies or rivals.</FONT>=
</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FON=
T face=3DArial size=3D2>*
* =
; *</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If y=
ou look at Pratyangira's story, she came into
being to pacify Lord Narasim=
ha, who drank the blood of the demon he killed. The
guna caused in him by =
the demon's blood created big problems for the universe
and Pratyangira pa=
cified Lord Narasimha and filled him with pure sattwa
again.</FONT></DIV>
=
l size=3D2>If a goddess could pacify a deeply agitated and
angry incarnati=
on of Narayana himself and restore sattwa in him, you can imagine
what tha=
t goddess must be like. She is the ultimate power to restore saattwa and
r=
emove all kind of disturbance from one's consciousness. </FONT><FONT face=
=3DArial
size=3D2>Such a high deity of purity, equanimity and sattwa resto=
ration has been
converted to one who ruins one's enemies and rivals and gi=
ves material success
and several people perform Pratyangira homam with dri=
ed red chillies etc for
petty purposes.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just as a =
young boy is better off approaching one's
mother when harassed by a school=
bully instead of trying to use his mother's
machine gun, we are better of=
f approaching the Mother and asking for help rather
than trying to use Pra=
tyangira shakti. Chandi homam, saptashati chanting, lalita
sahasra nama ch=
anting etc can be used instead of Pratyangira vidya. Surrender to
the Moth=
er and chant her prayers, instead of trying to use her sophisticated
astra=
shakti directly.</FONT></DIV>
T></DIV>
>Next time somebody suggests a Pratyangira homam for
material problems, pl=
ease think of what I wrote.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As I have a=
lready said, more learned ones who disagree with me may kindly
forgive me =
and ignore me.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------=
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Namaste,
I just came back from my daily Chandi homam. Probably because th=
is is a Chaturdasi, that too a Saturday night, the homam was more pleasant =
than usual. I cannot sleep after this one right away and so let me type one=
more mail.
* * *
If one is an aghori who does not care a=

bout anything and is willing to go through any terrible experience and stil=
l take it as Her blessing, then several things can go into fire. But others=
should never put red chillies in homam fire. Those who throw red chillies =
in fire and think that their petty problems will go away are fooling themse=
lves. Whatever you put in external fire is actually going into your interna=
l fire also. People having awakened shakti and subtle perception may realiz=
e it and others may not realize it. But it is a fact. Now the impact of red=
chillies on your internal fire is not at all a desirable one. One may not =
be realizing it because the karma may be going at the end of a long pipelin=
e of karmas and give its result in far future, possibly even in a future li=
fe.
My sincere advice to all: Never ever put spicy substances like red ch=
illies and black pepper in a homam fire, even if you are worshipping a fier=
ce deity. Respectfully ignore advice from anyone to use black pepper and re=
d chillies to solve your problems. That practice does NOT solve any problem=
s and in fact creates further problems in future.
* * *
B=
y the way, Pratyangira is not a ""bali kavar Deivam" (deity wanting animal =
sacrifice). It is what people of this age made her to be. Pratyangira, as I=
described earlier, is a powerful deity who can fill one with pure sattwa. =
Unfortunately, she is misunderstood and her mantras and vidya are so abused=
and misused these days. That is why I felt compelled to write the last mai=
l. The allegory is actually quite appropriate.
I did not write the mail t=
o criticize Pratyangira sadhana. I wrote the mail and the allegory to criti=
cize Pratyangira sadhana *as done* by many people today and to put things i=
n perspective. People don't even understand what Pratyangira is for and wha=
t she can do.
* * *
Regarding balis (animal sacrifices), =

I want to say one thing. In the old days, yogis who sacrificed animals were=
capable of taking some karmas of the animal being sacrificed and give it m=
oksha or atleast a much higher birth after the sacrifice. In other words, t=
here was a give and take of karmas. Now-a-days, those who sacrifice animals=
have no such spiritual caliber. They are only taking the life of the anima=
l (bodily life which is something very dear to every being that self-identi=
fies with a body very strongly, i.e. animals and human beings) and not givi=
ng anything in return. This causes a big karmik debt that needs to be paid =
back later. Thus, one should think seriously before sacrificing an animal i=
n this age.
Some places have sthala maahaatmya. The power of the place, t=

he power of the sadhana performed by elevated beings there and the power of=
an alive deity there ensure that karmas are balanced even when animals are=
sacrificed. Such places are few. An example may be Kamakhya.
At other pl=
aces, a yogi with no caliber to take on the animal's karmas and give it a h=
igher birth should stay away from animal sacrifice.
* * *
=
If you read Saptashati, the last chapter describes how the king and the va=
isya kept chanting devi sooktam for 3 years on a river bank. It talks about=
the "bali" (sacrifice) they gave:
"dadatustau balim chaiva nijagaatraasr=

ugukshitam"
It means "and they gave a sacrifice (bali) that was soaked wi=
th blood from *their own* bodies".
See, *that* would be something.
Best=
regards,
Narasimha
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From: Radhakrishnan Jambunatha =
To: sivacharya@yahoogroups.com ; Narasimha P.V.R.

Sent: Saturday, Sep=
tember 13, 2008 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [sivacharya] Misconceptions on Praty=
angira Homam
Dear Sri. P.V.R.N.Acharyaji,

Namaskaram
=
Very well said. Now a days people seek quick solutions leaving aside =
the golden path of daily Sadhana. The result is that many temples particula=
rly in Tamil Nadu with archaelogical importance are allowed to remain in ru=
ins and people pour several lakhs in building new temples for Devatas like =
Pratyingira, Sarabeswara etc. and publish widely homams to propitiate these=
deities. As you have rightly said these deities occupy a special place. I=
n fact, the greatest of Devi Upasaka Sri Abirami Bhattar of Tirukadaiyur of=
Abirami Andhadhi firm laments in his Andhadhi (meaning each stanza beginin=
g with the end of previous stanza's last word) that he shall not leaving th=
e lotus feet of Sakthi, waste his efforts after "bali kavar Deivangal" ( wh=
o demand some weird occult sacrifice). That sums of what you have beautifu=
lly and tellingly exposed in your letter. Some Vaishnavite Scholars like V=
elukudi Krishnan Swamiji in his discourses decry such practices. Whatever b=
e the purana behind Pratyingira, it is not ordined for the general mass to =
go after such devatas leaving the Bhagawath Githa saying "patram pushpam Yo=
me bhaktya" offers to Lord Narayana. It is not my aim to decry such pract=
ices. But when an easy path is shown in our scriptures, why invoke special=
deities purely for personal aggrandisement and mundane objects. In a famo=
us place as Tirunageswara near Kumbakonam known from yore the Great Nageswa=
ra Temple known for its Raghu Sthala and Uppiliappan Temple (Oppilathaappan=
Temple=3D Purushothama=3DSri Venkatachapathi), a small Pratyingira temple =
in its outskirts has shot into prominence where it is alleged a woman ex ch=
ief Minister of Tamil Nadu was reported to have performed homam with chilli=
es on an amavasya day to gain political ascension and the priest therein ha=
s reportedly gained lot of prominence sporting toyoto van etc. More people=
flock to that place nowadays having their individual person specific agend=
a. In this scenario, you have pointed out the obvious. Many thanks for this=
service
J.R.Krishnan
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s is a Chaturdasi, that too a Saturday night, the homam was
more pleasant =
than usual. I cannot sleep after this one right away and so let me
type on=
e more mail.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FON=
2>If one is an aghori who does not care about
anything and is willing to g=
o through any terrible experience and still take it
as Her blessing, then =
several things can go into fire. But others should never
put red chillies =
in homam fire. Those who throw red chillies in fire and
think that th=
eir petty problems will go away are fooling themselves. Whatever
you put i=
n external fire is actually going into your internal fire also. People
hav=
ing awakened shakti and subtle perception may realize it and others may not=
realize it. But it is a fact. Now the impact of red chillies on your inte=
rnal
fire is not at all a desirable one. One may not be realizing it becau=
se the
karma may be going at the end of a long pipeline of karmas and give=
its result
in far future, possibly even in a future life.</FONT></DI=
V>
rial size=3D2>My sincere advice to all: Never ever put spicy
substances li=
ke red chillies and black pepper in a homam fire, even if you are
worshipp=
ing a fierce deity. Respectfully ignore advice from anyone to use black
pe=
pper and red chillies to solve your problems. That practice does NOT solve =
any
problems and in fact creates further problems in future.</FONT></DIV>
=
l size=3D2>*
* =
*</FONT></DIV>
bsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>By the way, Pratyangira =
is not a "<FONT
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>"bali kavar Deivam</FONT=
>" (deity wanting animal
sacrifice). It is what people of this age made he=
r to be. Pratyangira, as I
described earlier, is a powerful deity who can =
fill one with pure sattwa.
Unfortunately, she is misunderstood and her man=
tras and vidya are so abused and
misused these days. That is why I felt co=
mpelled to write the last mail. The
allegory is actually quite appropriate=
.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><F=
ONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I did not write the mail to criticize Pratyangira=
sadhana. I wrote the mail and the allegory to criticize Pratyangira sadha=
na *as
done* by many people today and to put things in perspective. People=
don't even
understand what Pratyangira is for and what she can do.</FONT>=
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>*
* =
; *</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regarding balis (=
animal sacrifices), I want to say
one thing. In the old days, yogis who sa=
crificed animals were capable of taking
some karmas of the animal being sa=
crificed and give it moksha or atleast a much
higher birth after the sacri=
fice. In other words, there was a give and take of
karmas. Now-a-days, tho=
se who sacrifice animals have no such spiritual caliber.
They are only tak=
ing the life of the animal (bodily life which is something very
dear to ev=
ery being that self-identifies with a body very strongly, i.e. animals
and=
human beings) and not giving anything in return. This causes a big karmik =
debt that needs to be paid back later. Thus, one should think seriously be=
fore
sacrificing an animal in this age.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Some place=
s have sthala maahaatmya. The power of
the place, the power of the sadhana=
performed by elevated beings there and the
power of an alive deity there =
ensure that karmas are balanced even when animals
are sacrificed. Such pla=
ces are few. An example may be Kamakhya.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>At other p=
laces, a yogi with no caliber to take on
the animal's karmas and give it a=
higher birth should stay away from animal
sacrifice.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><F=
=3D2>*
* =
*</FONT></DIV>
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you read Saptashati, the la=
st chapter describes
how the king and the vaisya kept chanting devi sookta=
m for 3 years on a river
bank. It talks about the "bali" (sacrifice) they =
gave:</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"dadatustau balim chaiva
nijagaatraasruguksh=
itam"</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It means "and they gave a sacrifice (bali) th=
at was
soaked with blood from *their own* bodies".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
>See, *that* would be something.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
regards,<BR=
>Narasimha<BR>-------------------------------------------------------------=
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<A title=3Dkrisra2=
2@... href=3D"mailto:krisra22@...">Radhakrishnan
Jambunatha<=
/A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dsivachar=
ya@yahoogroups.com
href=3D"mailto:sivacharya@yahoogroups.com">sivacharya=
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title=3Dpvr@... href=3D"mailto:pvr@cha=
rter.net">Narasimha P.V.R.</A>
</DIV>
>Sent:</B> Saturday, September 13, 2008 9:42
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FO=
NT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [sivacharya] Misconceptions
on Praty=
angira Homam</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DA=
rial size=3D2></FONT><FONT
face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DAri=
al size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial
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face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR>Dear
Sri. P.V.R.N.Acharyaji=
,</DIV>
<DIV>Namaskaram</DIV>
<DIV>Very well said. Now a da=
ys people seek quick solutions leaving
aside the golden path of da=
ily Sadhana. The result is that many temples
particularly in Tamil=
Nadu with archaelogical importance are allowed to
remain in ruins=
and people pour several lakhs in building new temples
for Devatas=
like Pratyingira, Sarabeswara etc. and publish widely homams
to p=
ropitiate these deities. As you have rightly said these deities
oc=
cupy a special place. In fact, the greatest of Devi Upasaka Sri
=
Abirami Bhattar of Tirukadaiyur of Abirami Andhadhi firm laments in his=
Andhadhi (meaning each stanza begining with the end of previous s=

tanza's
last word) that he shall not leaving the lotus feet of Sak=
thi, waste his
efforts after "bali kavar Deivangal" ( who demand s=
ome weird
occult sacrifice). That sums of what you have=
beautifully and
tellingly exposed in your letter. Some Vais=
hnavite Scholars like
Velukudi Krishnan Swamiji in his discourses =
decry such practices.
Whatever be the purana behind Pratyingira, i=
t is not ordined for the
general mass to go after such devatas lea=
ving the Bhagawath Githa saying
"patram pushpam Yo me bhaktya" off=
ers to Lord Narayana. It is not
my aim to decry such practic=
es. But when an easy path is shown in
our scriptures, why in=
voke special deities purely for personal
aggrandisement and mundan=
e objects. In a famous place as
Tirunageswara near Kumbakona=
m known from yore the Great Nageswara Temple
known for its Raghu S=
thala and Uppiliappan Temple (Oppilathaappan
Temple=3D Purushotham=
a=3DSri Venkatachapathi), a small Pratyingira temple in
its outski=
rts has shot into prominence where it is alleged a woman ex
chief =
Minister of Tamil Nadu was reported to have performed homam with
c=
hillies on an amavasya day to gain political ascension and the
=
priest therein has reportedly gained lot of prominence
=
sporting toyoto van etc. More people flock to that place nowada=
ys
having their individual person specific agenda. In this scenari=
o, you
have pointed out the obvious. Many thanks for this service<=
/DIV>
<DIV>J.R.Krishnan</DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE=
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Adarniya Parampujya Guruji Pranaam,

=A0
The posting is excellent. Specially=
the following;
=A0
" Regarding balis (animal sacrifices), I want to say on=
e thing. In the old days, yogis who sacrificed animals were capable of taki=
ng some karmas of the animal being sacrificed and give it moksha or atleast=
a much higher birth after the sacrifice. In other words, there was a give =
and take of karmas. Now-a-days, those who sacrifice animals have no such sp=
iritual caliber. They are only taking the life of the animal (bodily life w=
hich is something very dear to every being that self-identifies with a body=
very strongly, i.e. animals and human beings) and not giving anything in r=
eturn. This causes a big karmik debt that needs to be paid back later. Thus=
, one should think seriously before sacrificing an animal in this age."
=A0=
This was an eye opener. Because there are so many yearly fairs in my local=
ity where animal sacrifice is given. Also I was=A0 wondering why this pract=
ice is in place. My doubt is clear by reading the above. Also my Kuladevata=
is Malhari martand Khandoba at Jejuri Pune, & as per the practice I have t=
o give animal sacrifice after marraige of which I am against but mother ins=
ists it.
=A0
One doubt if you could please clarify is the Pradikshina for =
Lord Shankar full or half?
=A0
Also since your posings & writings are ultim=
ate answers to many misconceptions & practices I kindly request you to plea=
se write a book on this misconceptions.
=A0
Regards
=A0
Vinayak P Tandle
=
--- On Sun, 9/14/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrote:
From: N=
arasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: [sivachar=
ya] Misconceptions on Pratyangira Homam
To: sivacharya@yahoogroups.com, "Ra=
dhakrishnan Jambunatha" <krisra22@...>, vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com
=
Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 11:18 AM
Namaste,
=A0
I just came =
back from my daily Chandi homam. Probably because this is a Chaturdasi, tha=
t too a Saturday night, the homam was more pleasant than usual. I cannot sl=
eep after this one right away and so let me type one more mail.
=A0
*=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *
=A0
If one is an aghori who does n=
ot care about anything and is willing to go through any terrible experience=
and still take it as Her blessing, then several things can go into fire. B=
ut others should never put red chillies in homam=A0fire. Those who throw re=
d chillies in fire and think that their petty problems will go away are foo=
ling themselves. Whatever you put in external fire is actually going into y=
our internal fire also. People having awakened shakti and subtle perception=
may realize it and others may not realize it. But it is a fact. Now the im=
pact of red chillies on your internal fire is not at all a desirable one. O=
ne may not be realizing it because the karma may be going at the end of a l=
ong pipeline of karmas and give its result in far future, possibly even=A0i=
n a future life.
=A0
My sincere advice to all: Never ever put spicy substan=
ces like red chillies and black pepper in a homam fire, even if you are wor=
shipping a fierce deity. Respectfully ignore advice from anyone to use blac=
k pepper and red chillies to solve your problems. That practice does NOT so=
lve any problems and in fact creates further problems in future.
=A0
*=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *
=A0
By the way, Pratyangira is =
not a ""bali kavar Deivam" (deity wanting animal sacrifice). It is what peo=
ple of this age made her to be. Pratyangira, as I described earlier, is a p=
owerful deity who can fill one with pure sattwa. Unfortunately, she is misu=
nderstood and her mantras and vidya are so abused and misused these days. T=
hat is why I felt compelled to write the last mail. The allegory is actuall=
y quite appropriate.
=A0
I did not write the mail to criticize Pratyangira =
sadhana. I wrote the mail and the allegory to criticize Pratyangira sadhana=
*as done* by many people today and to put things in perspective. People do=
n't even understand what Pratyangira is for and what she can do.
=A0
*=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *
=A0
Regarding balis (animal sac=
rifices), I want to say one thing. In the old days, yogis who sacrificed an=
imals were capable of taking some karmas of the animal being sacrificed and=
give it moksha or atleast a much higher birth after the sacrifice. In othe=
r words, there was a give and take of karmas. Now-a-days, those who sacrifi=
ce animals have no such spiritual caliber. They are only taking the life of=
the animal (bodily life which is something very dear to every being that s=
elf-identifies with a body very strongly, i.e. animals and human beings) an=
d not giving anything in return. This causes a big karmik debt that needs t=
o be paid back later. Thus, one should think seriously before sacrificing a=
n animal in this age.
=A0
Some places have sthala maahaatmya. The power of =
the place, the power of the sadhana performed by elevated beings there and =
the power of an alive deity there ensure that karmas are balanced even when=
animals are sacrificed. Such places are few. An example may be Kamakhya.
=
=A0
At other places, a yogi with no caliber to take on the animal's karmas =
and give it a higher birth should stay away from animal sacrifice.
=A0
*=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *
=A0
If you read Saptashati, the=
last chapter describes how the king and the vaisya kept chanting devi sook=
tam for 3 years on a river bank. It talks about the "bali" (sacrifice) they=
gave:
=A0
"dadatustau balim chaiva nijagaatraasruguksh itam"
=A0
It means =
"and they gave a sacrifice (bali) that was soaked with blood from *their ow=
n* bodies".
=A0
See, *that* would be something.
=A0
Best regards,
Narasimha=
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From: Radhakrishnan Jambunatha=
To: sivacharya@yahoogro ups.com ; Narasimha P.V.R.

Sent: Saturday, Septe=
mber 13, 2008 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [sivacharya] Misconceptions on Pratyangi=
ra Homam
Dear=A0 Sri. P.V.R.N.Acharyaji,

Namaskaram
Very well said. =
Now a days people seek quick solutions leaving aside the golden path of dai=
ly Sadhana. The result is that many temples particularly in Tamil Nadu with=
archaelogical importance are allowed to remain in ruins and people pour se=
veral lakhs in building new temples for Devatas like Pratyingira, Sarabeswa=
ra etc. and publish widely homams to propitiate these deities. As you have =
rightly said these deities occupy a special place.=A0 In fact, the greatest=
of Devi Upasaka Sri Abirami Bhattar of Tirukadaiyur of Abirami Andhadhi fi=
rm laments in his Andhadhi (meaning each stanza begining with the end of pr=
evious stanza's last word) that he shall not leaving the lotus feet of Sakt=
hi, waste his efforts after "bali kavar Deivangal" ( who demand some weird =
occult=A0sacrifice).=A0 That sums of what you have beautifully and tellingl=
y exposed in your letter.=A0 Some Vaishnavite Scholars like Velukudi Krishn=
an Swamiji in his discourses decry such practices.
Whatever be the purana =
behind Pratyingira, it is not ordined for the general mass to go after such=
devatas leaving the Bhagawath Githa saying "patram pushpam Yo me bhaktya" =
offers to Lord Narayana.=A0 It is not my aim to decry such practices.=A0 Bu=
t when an easy path is shown in our scriptures, why invoke special deities =
purely for personal aggrandisement and mundane objects.=A0 In a famous plac=
e as Tirunageswara near Kumbakonam known from yore the Great Nageswara Temp=
le known for its Raghu Sthala and Uppiliappan Temple (Oppilathaappan Temple=
=3D Purushothama=3D Sri Venkatachapathi) , a small Pratyingira temple in it=
s outskirts has shot into prominence where it is alleged a woman ex chief M=
inister of Tamil Nadu was reported to have performed homam with chillies on=
an amavasya day=A0to gain political ascension and the priest therein has=
=A0reportedly=A0gained=A0lot of prominence sporting toyoto van etc.=A0 More=
people flock to that place nowadays having their
individual person specif=
ic agenda. In this scenario, you have pointed out the obvious. Many thanks =
for this service
J.R.Krishnan
--0-594123353-1221379184=:26971

style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Adarniya Parampujya Guruji Pranaam,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The posting is excellent. Specially the following;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>" <FONT face=Arial size=2>Regarding balis (animal sacrifices), I want to say
one thing. In the old days, yogis who sacrificed animals were capable of taking
some karmas of the animal being sacrificed and give it moksha or atleast a much
higher birth after the sacrifice. In other words, there was a give and take of
karmas. Now-a-days, those who sacrifice animals have no such spiritual caliber.
They are only taking the life of the animal (bodily life which is something very
dear to every being that self-identifies with a body very strongly, i.e. animals
and human beings) and not giving anything in return. This causes a big karmik debt
that needs to be paid back later. Thus, one should think seriously before
sacrificing an animal in this age."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This was an eye opener. Because there are so many yearly fairs in my locality
where animal sacrifice is given. Also I was wondering why this practice is in
place. My doubt is clear by reading the above. Also my Kuladevata is Malhari
martand Khandoba at Jejuri Pune, & as per the practice I have to give animal
sacrifice after marraige of which I am against but mother insists it. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>One doubt if you could please clarify is the Pradikshina for Lord Shankar full
or half?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Also since your posings & writings are ultimate answers to many misconceptions
& practices I kindly request you to please write a book on this
misconceptions.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regards</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Vinayak P Tandle</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 9/14/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@...></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
2px solid">From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re:
[sivacharya] Misconceptions on Pratyangira Homam<BR>To: sivacharya@yahoogroups.com,
"Radhakrishnan Jambunatha" <krisra22@...>, vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date:
Sunday, September 14, 2008, 11:18 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv1067322934>
<DIV id=ygrp-text>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Namaste,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I just came back from my daily Chandi homam. Probably
because this is a Chaturdasi, that too a Saturday night, the homam was more
pleasant than usual. I cannot sleep after this one right away and so let me type
one more mail.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If one is an aghori who does not care about anything
and is willing to go through any terrible experience and still take it as Her
blessing, then several things can go into fire. But others should never put red
chillies in homam fire. Those who throw red chillies in fire and think that their
petty problems will go away are fooling themselves. Whatever you put in external
fire is actually going into your internal fire also. People having awakened shakti
and subtle perception may realize it and others may not realize it. But it is a
fact. Now the impact of red chillies on your internal fire is not at all a
desirable one. One may not be realizing it because the karma may be going at the
end of a long pipeline of karmas and give its result in far future, possibly
even in a future life.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My sincere advice to all: Never ever put spicy
substances like red chillies and black pepper in a homam fire, even if you are
worshipping a fierce deity. Respectfully ignore advice from anyone to use black
pepper and red chillies to solve your problems. That practice does NOT solve any
problems and in fact creates further problems in future.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>By the way, Pratyangira is not a "<FONT face="Times
New Roman" size=3>"bali kavar Deivam</FONT>" (deity wanting animal sacrifice). It
is what people of this age made her to be. Pratyangira, as I described earlier, is
a powerful deity who can fill one with pure sattwa. Unfortunately, she is
misunderstood and her mantras and vidya are so abused and misused these days. That
is why I felt compelled to write the last mail. The allegory is actually quite
appropriate.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I did not write the mail to criticize Pratyangira
sadhana. I wrote the mail and the allegory to criticize Pratyangira sadhana *as
done* by many people today and to put things in perspective. People don't even
understand what Pratyangira is for and what she can do.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regarding balis (animal sacrifices), I want to say one
thing. In the old days, yogis who sacrificed animals were capable of taking some
karmas of the animal being sacrificed and give it moksha or atleast a much higher
birth after the sacrifice. In other words, there was a give and take of karmas.
Now-a-days, those who sacrifice animals have no such spiritual caliber. They are
only taking the life of the animal (bodily life which is something very dear to
every being that self-identifies with a body very strongly, i.e. animals and human
beings) and not giving anything in return. This causes a big karmik debt that needs
to be paid back later. Thus, one should think seriously before sacrificing an
animal in this age.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Some places have sthala maahaatmya. The power of the
place, the power of the sadhana performed by elevated beings there and the power of
an alive deity there ensure that karmas are balanced even when animals are
sacrificed. Such places are few. An example may be Kamakhya.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>At other places, a yogi with no caliber to take on the
animal's karmas and give it a higher birth should stay away from animal
sacrifice.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If you read Saptashati, the last chapter describes how
the king and the vaisya kept chanting devi sooktam for 3 years on a river bank. It
talks about the "bali" (sacrifice) they gave:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"dadatustau balim chaiva nijagaatraasruguksh
itam"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It means "and they gave a sacrifice (bali) that was
soaked with blood from *their own* bodies".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>See, *that* would be something.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
title=krisra22@... href="mailto:krisra22@..." target=_blank
rel=nofollow>Radhakrishnan Jambunatha</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=sivacharya@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:sivacharya@yahoogroups.com" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>sivacharya@yahoogro ups.com</A> ; <A title=pvr@...
href="mailto:pvr@..." target=_blank rel=nofollow>Narasimha P.V.R.</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, September 13, 2008 9:42
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [sivacharya] Misconceptions on
Pratyangira Homam</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial
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size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR>Dear Sri.
P.V.R.N.Acharyaji,</DIV>
<DIV>Namaskaram</DIV>
<DIV>Very well said. Now a days people seek quick solutions leaving aside the
golden path of daily Sadhana. The result is that many temples particularly in Tamil
Nadu with archaelogical importance are allowed to remain in ruins and people pour
several lakhs in building new temples for Devatas like Pratyingira, Sarabeswara
etc. and publish widely homams to propitiate these deities. As you have rightly
said these deities occupy a special place. In fact, the greatest of Devi Upasaka
Sri Abirami Bhattar of Tirukadaiyur of Abirami Andhadhi firm laments in his
Andhadhi (meaning each stanza begining with the end of previous stanza's last word)
that he shall not leaving the lotus feet of Sakthi, waste his efforts after "bali
kavar Deivangal" ( who demand some weird occult sacrifice). That sums of what you
have beautifully and tellingly exposed in your letter. Some Vaishnavite Scholars
like Velukudi Krishnan Swamiji in his discourses decry
such practices. Whatever be the purana behind Pratyingira, it is not ordined for
the general mass to go after such devatas leaving the Bhagawath Githa saying
"patram pushpam Yo me bhaktya" offers to Lord Narayana. It is not my aim to decry
such practices. But when an easy path is shown in our scriptures, why invoke
special deities purely for personal aggrandisement and mundane objects. In a
famous place as Tirunageswara near Kumbakonam known from yore the Great Nageswara
Temple known for its Raghu Sthala and Uppiliappan Temple (Oppilathaappan Temple=
Purushothama= Sri Venkatachapathi) , a small Pratyingira temple in its outskirts
has shot into prominence where it is alleged a woman ex chief Minister of Tamil
Nadu was reported to have performed homam with chillies on an amavasya day to gain
political ascension and the priest therein has reportedly gained lot of prominence
sporting toyoto van etc. More people
flock to that place nowadays having their individual person specific agenda. In
this scenario, you have pointed out the obvious. Many thanks for this service</DIV>
<DIV>J.R.Krishnan</DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></
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Namaste,
Path of sattwa does not need a weapon in general. Its tools (as =
opposed to weapons) are surrender and devotion.
When a person of sattwa r=

eaches great spiritual heights and is beyond even surrender and devotion, t=
hen a question of a weapon to defeat taamasic influence may arise. Please r=
emember that Pratyangira was used to remove the agitation in a person no le=
ss than Lord Narasimha.
The weapon is made difficult to use because more =

and more people unaware of what the weapon is for would start using it in t=
his age for all kind of silly purposes.
If a black magician troubles one,=

it is like the school bully troubling one in my allegory. As I said, locki=
ng mechanism on your mother's automatic gun that prevents you from using th=
e weapon does not prevent you from fighting the bully by reporting to your =
mother. You can fight black magic through surrender and devotion to god. In=
fact, that is the best way to fight. In any case, Pratyangira homam as pra=
cticed by most people today does NOT help you fight black magicians.
* =
* *
BTW, you are incorrectly equating vamachara with kshudra =
activities like black magic to trouble people. Not all who use vamachara ar=
e alike. Aghoris uses tamasik practices, but to test how saattwik one inter=
nally is and whether external tamasik influences can disturb the internal s=
attwa inside one. An aghori wants to be in such a perfect state of sattwik =
equilibrium of consciousness that he hones his equlibrium by using deprivin=
g external factors to try destabilizing the internal sattwa and eventually =
reaching a state that they have no effect on him.
Thus, the use of tamasi=

k practices by an aghori is different from the use of tamasik practices by =
some black magicians to trouble people. You can't place all vamamargis in o=
ne group.
Best regards,
Narasimha
---------------------------------------=
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From: Hariprasa=
d Nellitheertha
Cc: vedic-wisdom@yahoogro=
ups.com ; sivacharya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 1:=
01 AM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: [sohamsa] Misconceptions on Pratyangira=
Homam
Dear Narasimhaji, Namaskara,
Thanks for this wonderful post=

and explanation. The analogy really helps understand why this form of wors=
hip is not really appropriate in this Yuga.
At the same time, this rai=

ses a question in my mind. While the "weapon" has been locked and the "qual=
ification" for practicing Pratyangira Homam has been made more "rigid", the=
same does not seem to be the case with those who practice Tamasic activiti=
es (Vaamachara/Vaamamarga). From what I understand, a lot of people still r=
esort to Vaamamarga and they seem to succeed far more easily than those who=
try to counter them with Pratyangira or other related weapons.
What ar=
e your thoughts on this aspect? Do you think the weapons for tamasic activi=
ties are far more easily available and usable because it is the basic natur=
e of Kali Yuga for adharma to increase?
Kindly let us know your though=

ts on this.
Thanks and Regards,

Hari
On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 5:20=

AM, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrote:
Namaste friends,
=
I recently saw the chart of a person who is in some troubles. He is trou=
bled by some professional rivals. A priest recommended Pratyangira homam an=
d performed it for him. Some people mistakenly believe that Pratyangira hom=
am gives relief from this kind of petty troubles.
Inspite of the risk =

of offending some elders, I want to put my foot down and assert one thing s=
trongly and bluntly, for whatever it is worth. More learned ones who disagr=
ee with me may kindly forgive me and ignore me.
* * *
=
Pratyangira is a very very powerful deity and very very few people know =
today how to worship her properly. I am talking about all kinds of worship =
here - worshipping Her in an external fire and worshipping Her in one's own=
internal fire and Kundalini shakti.
I do not want to emphasize the ne=

cessity to learn to worship Her properly, because very very few people are =
actually *ready* for worshipping this form today. Many other forms are far =
more suitable for most people.
* * *
Pratyangira is=
an astra devata (astra=3Dweapon). A powerful automatic gun may be used to =
shoot a specific object at a large distance when an expert uses it. If one =
is not an expert, the gun may not fire at all or may hit some other object.=
One is better off staying away from the gun in that case.
I can give =
an allegory for today's situation w.r.t. Pratyangira.
One's Mother had=

a very powerful automatic gun. She was a high official in military and use=
d the gun in some important wars she participated in. Once upon a time, one=
of her sons learnt how to use the gun and knew how to knock down powerful =
enemies in a combat using that gun.
Many years later, a small young bo=

y of the lady was being troubled by a bully at school. He wanted to solve t=
he problem. A friend at school, who was known in his circle as a smart pers=
on, suggested using his mother's gun. They messed around with mother's gun,=
but nothing happened because they did not know how to use it. But that was=
good, because there could have been an accident and one of them could have=
been hurt in the exercise! Luckily, his mother put a locking mechanism on =
the gun because she had young children at home. Another time, a smart frind=
who knew how to unlock it but not knowing fully how to use the gun, unlock=
ed it and shot it. He ended up unintentionally hurting the young boy.
=
In today's deepening age of Kali, "locking mechanism" is put on astra vidya=
s such as Pratyangira, Bala, Atibala, Mahabala, Paashupata etc. Going back =
to my allegory, because the home (world of sadhana) now includes a lot of y=
oung boys (most of us with half-knowledge and incomplete spiritual maturity=
), mother has placed locking mechanism on dangerous weapons that are risky =
in the hands of young children. She did not want automatic guns, assault ri=
fles, missile launchers etc to be used for getting back at a school bully. =
When one is brave enough, decides that one does not fear the possibility of=
death and wants to go and fight the enemies of the nation in a war, then t=
hose big weapons are useful. They are not meant for standing up to a school=
bully.
If someone helps us unlock the weapons, it is still a bad idea=

to try using them. It is very risky. The best thing a child can do when a =
school bully is troubling is to tell his mother about it and let her handle=
it. Taking mother's weapons and trying to handle it oneself is a very bad =
idea.
Simialrly, performing Pratyangira homam to overcome the obstacle=

s caused by an enemy or a rival or take care of some such material troubles=
is unwise and risky. When one is very pure and saattwik and battle with a =
tamasik force has agitated a highly pure one, she is to be used as a weapon=
to bring down that agitation and restore sattwa. Her purpose is a really h=
igh one and inapplicable to most people.
* * *
Some=
temples perform Pratyangira homam regularly. I see it as an obedient son t=
aking the automatic gun of his mother, dusting it off, cleaning it, lubrica=
ting it and putting back where it belongs. The son may do this service on a=
regular basis, without expecting any result and out of love for mother. Th=
at is fine.
The problem comes only when a son tries to use the weapon =
against his enemies or rivals.
* * *
If you look at=

Pratyangira's story, she came into being to pacify Lord Narasimha, who dra=
nk the blood of the demon he killed. The guna caused in him by the demon's =
blood created big problems for the universe and Pratyangira pacified Lord N=
arasimha and filled him with pure sattwa again.
If a goddess could pac=
ify a deeply agitated and angry incarnation of Narayana himself and restore=
sattwa in him, you can imagine what that goddess must be like. She is the =
ultimate power to restore saattwa and remove all kind of disturbance from o=
ne's consciousness. Such a high deity of purity, equanimity and sattwa rest=
oration has been converted to one who ruins one's enemies and rivals and gi=
ves material success and several people perform Pratyangira homam with drie=
d red chillies etc for petty purposes.
Just as a young boy is better o=

ff approaching one's mother when harassed by a school bully instead of tryi=
ng to use his mother's machine gun, we are better off approaching the Mothe=
r and asking for help rather than trying to use Pratyangira shakti. Chandi =
homam, saptashati chanting, lalita sahasra nama chanting etc can be used in=
stead of Pratyangira vidya. Surrender to the Mother and chant her prayers, =
instead of trying to use her sophisticated astra shakti directly.
Next=
time somebody suggests a Pratyangira homam for material problems, please t=
hink of what I wrote.
As I have already said, more learned ones who di=

sagree with me may kindly forgive me and ignore me.
Best regards,
=
Narasimha
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When a p=
erson of sattwa reaches great spiritual
heights and is beyond even surrend=
er and devotion, then a question of a weapon
to defeat taamasic influence&=
nbsp;may arise. Please remember that Pratyangira
was used to remove the ag=
itation in a person no less than Lord
Narasimha.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><F=
=3D2>The weapon is made difficult to use because more
and more people unaw=
are of what the weapon is for would start using it in this
age for all kin=
d of silly purposes.</FONT></DIV>
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If a black magician troubles o=
ne, it is like the
school bully troubling one in my allegory. As I said, l=
ocking mechanism on your
mother's automatic gun that prevents you from usi=
ng the weapon does not prevent
you from fighting the bully by reporting to=
your mother. You can fight black
magic through surrender and devotion to =
god. In fact, that is the best way to
fight. In any case, Pratyangira homa=
m as practiced by most people today does NOT
help you fight black magician=
s.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>*
*&n=
bsp; *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>BTW, you=
are incorrectly equating vamachara
with kshudra activities like blac=
k magic to trouble people. Not all who use
vamachara are alike. Aghor=
is uses tamasik practices, but to test how
saattwik one internally is and =
whether external tamasik influences can disturb
the internal sattwa inside=
one. An aghori wants to be in such a perfect state of
sattwik equilibrium=
of consciousness that he hones his equlibrium by using
depriving external=
factors to try destabilizing the internal sattwa and
eventually reaching =
a state that they have no effect on him.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thus, the =
use of tamasik practices by an aghori is
different from the use of tamasik=
practices by some black magicians to trouble
people. You can't place all =
vamamargis in one group.</FONT></DIV>
p;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>-----------------------=
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From:</B>
<A title=3Dnharipra@... href=3D"mailto:nharipra@...=
m">Hariprasad
Nellitheertha</A> </DIV>
><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dsohamsa@yahoogroups.com
href=3D"mailto:sohamsa@ya=
hoogroups.com">sohamsa@yahoogroups.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10p=
t arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3Dvedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com
href=3D"mail=
to:vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com</A> ;
<A t=
itle=3Dsivacharya@yahoogroups.com
href=3D"mailto:sivacharya@yahoogroups.=
com">sivacharya@yahoogroups.com</A> </DIV>
"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 14, 2008 1:01
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"=
FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [vedic-wisdom] Re: [sohamsa]
Misconcep=
tions on Pratyangira Homam</DIV>
<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT
face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><B=
R></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>Dear Narasimhaji, Namaskara,
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT
face=
=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DAr=
ial
<DIV>Thanks for this wonderful post and=
explanation. The analogy really helps
understand why this form of worsh=
ip is not really appropriate in this
Yuga. </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT
face=
=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DAr=
ial
size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DAria=
l
<DIV>At the same time, this raises a ques=
tion in my mind. While the "weapon"
has been locked and the "qualificati=
on" for practicing Pratyangira Homam has
been made more "rigid", the sam=
e does not seem to be the case with those who
practice Tamasic activitie=
s (Vaamachara/Vaamamarga). From what I understand, a
lot of people still=
resort to Vaamamarga and they seem to succeed far more
easily than thos=
e who try to counter them with Pratyangira or other related
weapons.</DI=
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></=
FONT><FONT
face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FO=
NT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>What are your thoughts on this aspect? Do you think th=
e weapons for
tamasic activities are far more easily available and usabl=
e because it is the
basic nature of Kali Yuga for adharma to increase?&n=
bsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial siz=
e=3D2></FONT><FONT
face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Kindly let us know your thoughts on this.</DI=
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></=
FONT><FONT
face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FO=
NT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Thanks and Regards,</DIV>
<DIV>Hari<BR><BR>
<DIV c=
lass=3Dgmail_quote>On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 5:20 AM, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao
=
<SPAN dir=3Dltr><<A
href=3D"mailto:pvr@...">pvr@...<=
/A>></SPAN> wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Namaste friends,</FONT></=
DIV>
<DIV><FON=
T face=3DArial size=3D2>I recently saw the chart of a person who is in
=
some troubles. He is troubled by some professional rivals. A priest
=
recommended Pratyangira homam and performed it for him. Some people
=
mistakenly believe that Pratyangira homam gives relief from this kind of =
petty troubles.</FONT></DIV>
NT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Inspite of the risk of=
offending some elders, I
want to put my foot down and assert one thin=
g strongly and bluntly, for
whatever it is worth. More learned ones wh=
o disagree with me may kindly
forgive me and ignore me.</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>*
* &=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Praty=
angira is a very very powerful deity and
very very few people know tod=
ay how to worship her properly. I am talking
about all kinds of worshi=
p here - worshipping Her in an external fire and
worshipping Her in on=
e's own internal fire and Kundalini
shakti.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
2>I do not want to emphasize the necessity to
learn to worship Her pro=
perly, because very very few people are actually
*ready* for worshippi=
ng this form today. Many other forms are far more
suitable for most pe=
ople.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>=

* *</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
Arial size=3D2>Pratyangira is an astra devata (astra=3Dweapon).
A powe=
rful automatic gun may be used to shoot a specific object at a
la=
rge distance when an expert uses it. If one is not an expert, the gun may
=
not fire at all or may hit some other object. One is better off staying=
away
from the gun in that case.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I can=
give an allegory for today's situation
w.r.t. Pratyangira.</FONT></DI=
V>
<DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2>One's Mother had a very powerful automatic gun.
=
She was a high official in military and used the gun in some important wars=
she participated in. Once upon a time, one of her sons learnt how to =
use the
gun and knew how to knock down powerful enemies in a combat us=
ing that
gun.</FONT></DIV>
> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Many years later, a smal=
l young boy of the lady
was being troubled by a bully at school. He wa=
nted to solve the problem. A
friend at school, who was known in his ci=
rcle as a smart person, suggested
using his mother's gun. They messed =
around with mother's gun, but nothing
happened because they did not kn=
ow how to use it. But that was good, because
there could have been an =
accident and one of them could have been hurt in
the exercise! Luckily=
, his mother put a locking mechanism on the
gun because she had y=
oung children at home. </FONT><FONT
face=3DArial size=3D2>Another=
time, a smart frind who knew how to unlock it but
not knowing fully h=
ow to use the gun, unlocked it and shot it. He ended up
unintentionall=
y hurting the young boy.</FONT></DIV>
</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In today's deepeni=
ng age of Kali, "locking
mechanism" is put on astra vidyas such as Pra=
tyangira, Bala, Atibala,
Mahabala, Paashupata etc. Going back to my al=
legory, because the home (world
of sadhana) now includes a lot of youn=
g boys (most of us with half-knowledge
and incomplete spiritual maturi=
ty), mother has placed locking mechanism on
dangerous weapons that are=
risky in the hands of young children. She did not
want automatic guns=
, assault rifles, missile launchers etc to be used for
getting back at=
a school bully. When one is brave enough, decides that one
does not f=
ear the possibility of death and wants to go and fight the enemies
of =
the nation in a war, then those big weapons are useful. They are not
m=
eant for standing up to a school bully.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
someone helps us unlock the weapons, it is
still a bad idea to try usi=
ng them. It is very risky. The best thing a child
can do when a school=
bully is troubling is to tell his mother about it and
let her handle =
it. Taking mother's weapons and trying to handle it oneself
is a very =
bad idea.</FONT></DIV>
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Simialrly, performing Pratyangira=
homam to
overcome the obstacles caused by an enemy or a rival or take=
care of some
such material troubles is unwise and risky. When one is =
very pure and
saattwik and battle with a tamasik force has agitated a =
highly pure one, she
is to be used as a weapon to bring down that agit=
ation and restore sattwa.
Her purpose is a really high one and inappli=
cable to most
people.</FONT></DIV>
2></FONT> </DIV>
sp;
* =
; *</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Some temples perform Pratyangira homam =
regularly. I see it as an obedient son taking the automatic gun of his=
mother, dusting it off, cleaning it, lubricating it and putting back =

where
it belongs. The son may do this service on a regular basis, with=
out
expecting any result and out of love for mother. That is fine.</FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV=
><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The problem comes only when a son tries to use=
the weapon against his enemies or rivals.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT=
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
Arial size=3D2>*
* &nbs=
<DIV><FONT face=
If you look at Pratyangira's story, she came
into being to pacify Lord=
Narasimha, who drank the blood of the demon he
killed. The guna cause=
d in him by the demon's blood created big problems for
the universe an=
d Pratyangira pacified Lord Narasimha and filled him with
pure sattwa =
again.</FONT></DIV>
>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If a goddess could pacify a deeply a=
gitated and
angry incarnation of Narayana himself and restore sattwa i=
n him, you can
imagine what that goddess must be like. She is the ulti=
mate power to restore
saattwa and remove all kind of disturbance from =
one's consciousness.
</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Such a high de=
ity of purity, equanimity and
sattwa restoration has been converted to=
one who ruins one's enemies and
rivals and gives material success and=
several people perform Pratyangira
homam with dried red chillies etc =
for petty purposes.</FONT></DIV>
T> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just as a young boy is =
better off approaching
one's mother when harassed by a school bully in=
stead of trying to use his
mother's machine gun, we are better off app=
roaching the Mother and asking
for help rather than trying to use Prat=
yangira shakti. Chandi homam,
saptashati chanting, lalita sahasra nama=
chanting etc can be used instead of
Pratyangira vidya. Surrender to t=
he Mother and chant her prayers, instead of
trying to use her sophisti=
cated astra shakti directly.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FO=
NT face=3DArial size=3D2>Next time somebody suggests a Pratyangira homam
=
for material problems, please think of what I wrote.</FONT></DIV>
<D=
IV> </DIV>
<DIV>As I have already said, more learned ones who disa=
gree with me may
kindly forgive me and ignore me.</DIV>
<DIV> =
;</DIV>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>---------------------------------=
---------------------------------<BR>Do
a Short Homam Yourself: <A hre=
f=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam"
target=3D_blank>http://www.=
VedicAstrologer.org/homam</A><BR>Do Pitri Tarpanas
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target=3D_blank>http://www=
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software (Windows): <A href=3D"ht=
tp://www.VedicAstrologer.org"
target=3D_blank>http://www.VedicAstrolog=
er.org</A><BR>Sri Jagannath Centre
(SJC) website: <A href=3D"http://ww=
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target=3D_blank>http://www.SriJagannath.org</A><BR=
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I need some help. I am looking for some punya chakra dat=

a - the date, time and place when certain persons left their bodies. I need=
this data for some private research. The data need not be extremely accura=
te upto minute. I only need the rasi chart and not all divisional charts.
=
Such data is available for 15 of Ramakrishna's 16 monastic disciples. Most=

of them left their bodies with some level of prior knowledge, in the midst=
of people and while meditating. There were clear external signs when they =
finally left. Thus, the date and time were noted down by their disciples. T=
his data is available for Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Sarada Mata also. So =
the practice of noting the data down is there among them. So it is possible=
that such data is available for some other associated people also. The boo=
ks I have do not give such data for the following people and I am hoping th=
at some other book in English or Bengali or Hindi language that one of you =
may have may contain this data. If anybody has the data, please send it to =
me and mention the book that contains the data. Thank you very much for you=
r help.
The persons I am interested in are:

(1) Brahmachari Krishnalal =
(Swami Dhirananda). He was a close associate of Swami Yogananda, who was a =
direct disciple of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and one of the six ishwara kotis=
(ever free ones) among his disciples.
(2) Priest Ramkumar. He was the el=

der brother of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. He was the priest at the Kali templ=
e at Dakshineshwar before Ramakrishna and he was the one who brought Ramakr=
ishna to that temple.
(3) Dhan Gopal Mukherjee. He was a disciple of Swam=

i Shivananda, who was a direct disciple of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and one =
of the six ishwara kotis (ever free ones) among his disciples. Any other pe=
ople having a strong attachment to Swami Shivananda are also of interest to=
me.
If you come across the information I want for any of these, please l=
et me know privately.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisd=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I need some help. I am looking for some p=

unya
chakra data - the date, time and place when certain persons left thei=
r bodies. I
need this data for some private research. The data need not be=
extremely
accurate upto minute. I only need the rasi chart and not all di=
visional
charts.</FONT></DIV>
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Such data is available for 15 of =
Ramakrishna's 16
monastic disciples. Most of them left their bodies with s=
ome level of prior
knowledge, in the midst of people and while meditating.=
There were clear
external signs when they finally left. Thus, the date an=
d time were noted down
by their disciples. This data is available for Rama=
krishna Paramahamsa and
Sarada Mata also. So the practice of noting the da=
ta down is there among them.
</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So it is p=
ossible that such data is available for
some other associated people also.=
The books I have do not give such data for
the following people and I am =
hoping that some other book in English or Bengali
or Hindi language that o=
ne of you may have may contain this data. If anybody has
the data, please =
send it to me and mention the book that contains the data.
Thank you very =
much for your help.</FONT></DIV>
ONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The persons I am interested in =
are:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(1) Brahmachari Krishnalal (Swami Dhirananda).=
He
was a close associate of Swami Yogananda, who was a direct disciple of=
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and one of the six ishwara kotis (ever free ones)=
among
his disciples.</FONT></DIV>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(2) Priest Ramkumar. He was =
the elder brother of
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. He was the priest at the Kal=
i temple at Dakshineshwar
before Ramakrishna and he was the one who brough=
t Ramakrishna to that
temple.</FONT></DIV>
2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(3) Dhan Gopal Mukhe=
rjee. He was a disciple of
Swami Shivananda, who was a direct discipl=
e of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and one
of the six ishwara kotis (ever free o=
nes) among his disciples. Any other people
having a strong attachment to S=
wami Shivananda are also of interest to
me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If y=
ou come across the information I want for any
of these, please let me know=
privately.</FONT></DIV>
V>
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>--------=
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Dear friends,
I was coming with one of my German colleagues last year. It =

was a
long distance and he knew that I cherish metaphysical discussions; h=
e
took that opportunity and started some related topic. We came finally
t=
o discussion *Non-vegetarian food*. He asked me as to what is the
reason o=
f my being a pure vegetarian eater. Was it something due to
religious doct=
rine? I tried to explain him various things such as our
cultural backgroun=
d, tradition of my fore fathers based on religious
instructions and such r=
esponsible facts. As he wanted to press me
more on that, he asked me about=
my personal thinking and likings on
the issue. I couldn=A1=A6t hold back =
myself and honestly explained my
conclusive view point on the whole subjec=
t as follow
=A1=A7I don=A1=A6t wish to stuff my stomach with the body parts=
of killed
creature. Would never think of troubling any leaving creature w=
hen
mother-nature has provided enough alternate food. Just for the sake
o=
f filling my stomach or satisfying cravings of my tongue, I won=A1=A6t be
=
responsible for killing innocent birds, animals, fishes directly or
indire=
ctly. What right I have, to snatch away even a single life in
the universe=
for my selfish reasons. I consider that as very very
cruel and that is th=
e personal thinking why I am a vegetarian and not
strictly due to any reli=
gious or cultural reason=A1=A8
The above was a harsh truth for anybody and=

there was no reply or
argument to this. My colleague didn=A1=A6t say anyt=
hing after that but the
point was conveyed though through a biting fact.
=
I=A1=A6ve observed lot of people, talked to many who are Hindu culture and =
eating frequently meat and fish. The idea of leaving non-veg food
seems a=
distant possibility for them. They can restrain themselves on
some select=
ed weekdays but not leaving it altogether. Even when they
know in their he=
arts of hearts about that it=A1=A6s a bad karma. Almost
all of them confes=
sed to me that the TASTE of non-veg food is
unsurpassable. They can not re=
main without it for long time. If this
is the condition of the people fro=
m sanatan-dharma, it is too much to
put through this view point with our b=
rothers and sisters from
different faiths, who were born and groomed eatin=
g the non-veg food
Here I don=A1=A6t wish to offend any of the members. =

I have no
prejudice/disliking against the people who eat meat. Infact, I e=
at my
vegetarian (Gaas-patte =83=BA) food sitting on the same table with m=
y
colleagues where they enjoy theirs. We even share the *veg part* of
it.=
They are all my very good friends.
BUT many a times it pains me that they=

are getting knowingly or
unknowingly in to unending chain of Karmas. Some=
of them are
spiritually inclined and I pray that only if they leave non-v=
eg, how
much good they=A1=A6ll do for themselves.
But am I wrong in think=

ing this way? Am I wrong in my efforts to make
them understand my view poi=
nt? Though I never pressurize or irritate
anybody on the issue.
Some time=
s I feel that if most of the humans on earth eat meat, fish
and eggs then =
is there any fundamental misconception about it? can
there be so many peop=
le wrong in their food habits. But in any case,
for me I=A1=A6ll stick to =
veg food simply because the logic I gave to my
German colleague.
I wish i=
f somebody can really though light of knowledge on the whole
issue for wha=
t is right and what is not and especially considering
spiritual destinatio=
n as well as world peace. If so many helpless
creatures are butchered ever=
yday for craving of taste, how then it is
possible for the human beings to=
ever live in peace. Will never be. I
recollect our Magnanimous, all compa=
ssionate prayer which says =A1=A7SARVE
bhavantu Sukhinah..=A1=A8 not only =
Humans but *Sarve* , all the lives.
Best Regards,
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Namaste friends,
This is the 7th day of pitri paksha and there are 8 more=
days. Krishna paksha (waning fortnight) of lunar month Bhadrapada is calle=
d pitri paksha. This fortinight coming just before the nava ratris is consi=
dered a great time to perform pitri tarpanas. Those who are interested in p=
itri tarpanas can download a manual from the website below and perform it. =
It is a very simple procedure and can be finished in 5-45 min, depending on=
whether one does super-short or short or regular procedure and how comfort=
able with Sanskrita.
* * *
Most of us know about god and =

about what is good to do and what is bad. Still we end up doing, thinking a=
nd wanting wrong things on a constant basis. The reason is that we cannot c=
ontrol our mind. The root cause of it is that mind is conditioned by variou=
s tendencies accumulated over various karmas. It is very difficult to overc=
ome these tendencies.
Tarpana washes away tendencies that one got via kar=

mik debt from ancestors (and others who one has a debt to) in various lives=
. Homam burns away tendencies that one got because of various actions commi=
tted by one in various lives. The mixture of one's own actions in the past =
and the debts to various beings in the past creates the set of tendencies t=
hat condition one's mind currently. These two sadhanas - homam and tarpana =
- are extremely effective for overcoming inherent tendencies and make spiri=
tual progress. Those who are interested can take advantage of the easy manu=
als that were created for both.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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more days. Krishna paksha (waning fortnight) of lunar month Bha=
drapada is called
pitri paksha. This fortinight coming just before the nav=
a ratris is considered a
great time to perform pitri tarpanas. Those who a=
re interested in pitri tarpanas
can download a manual from the websit=
e below and perform it. It is a very
simple procedure and can be finished =
in 5-45 min, depending on whether one does
super-short or short or regular=
procedure and how comfortable with
Sanskrita.</FONT></DIV>
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do and what is bad. Still we end up doing, thinking and want=
ing wrong things on
a constant basis. The reason is that we cannot control=
our mind. The root cause
of it is that mind is conditioned by various ten=
dencies accumulated over various
karmas. It is very difficult to overcome =
these tendencies.</FONT></DIV>
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tarpana washes away tendencies th=
at one got via
karmik debt from ancestors (and others who one has a debt t=
o) in various lives.
Homam burns away tendencies that one got because of v=
arious actions committed by
one in various lives. The mixture of one's own=
actions in the past and the debts
to various beings in the past creates t=
he set of tendencies that condition one's
mind currently. These two sadhan=
as - homam and tarpana - are extremely effective
for overcoming inherent t=
endencies and make spiritual progress. Those who are
interested can take a=
dvantage of the easy manuals that were created for
both.</FONT></DIV>
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Yes.
That's fine.
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Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:35 AM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] regarding tarpana
> Hi There
> On Days when one cannot do tarpana with sesame seeds, can one do
> tarpana with just akastas and skip the word "tilotkam" in the mantras?
>
> Also can one do tarpana in the garage, part of the home.
>
> I try to do homam also in the same place, where I do tarpana.
>
> Appreciate in advance any guidance
> best regards
> Mitesh
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I dealt with this before. Please refer to the following mail.
=
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom/message/347
Best regards,
Nara=
simha
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a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
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anas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
Spirituality: http://=
groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
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g
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> N=
amaste
>
> Can you clarify if women are allowed to perform Tarpan, general=
ly we
> are not allowed to do so in Mutt's.
>
> rgds
>
> shubha
> --- In=
sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>
> wrote:
> >
> > N=
amaste friends,
> >
> > This is the 7th day of pitri paksha and there are=
8 more days.
> Krishna paksha (waning fortnight) of lunar month Bhadrapad=
a is
> called pitri paksha. This fortinight coming just before the nava
>=
ratris is considered a great time to perform pitri tarpanas. Those
> who =
are interested in pitri tarpanas can download a manual from the
> website =
below and perform it. It is a very simple procedure and can
> be finished =
in 5-45 min, depending on whether one does super-short
> or short or regul=
ar procedure and how comfortable with Sanskrita.
> >
> > * * =
*
> >
> > Most of us know about god and about what is good to do and wh=
at is
> bad. Still we end up doing, thinking and wanting wrong things on a=
> constant basis. The reason is that we cannot control our mind. The
> r=
oot cause of it is that mind is conditioned by various tendencies
> accumu=
lated over various karmas. It is very difficult to overcome
> these tenden=
cies.
> >
> > Tarpana washes away tendencies that one got via karmik debt=
from
> ancestors (and others who one has a debt to) in various lives. Hom=
am
> burns away tendencies that one got because of various actions
> comm=
itted by one in various lives. The mixture of one's own actions
> in the p=
ast and the debts to various beings in the past creates the
> set of tende=
ncies that condition one's mind currently. These two
> sadhanas - homam an=
d tarpana - are extremely effective for
> overcoming inherent tendencies a=
nd make spiritual progress. Those
> who are interested can take advantage =
of the easy manuals that were
> created for both.
> >
> > Best regards,
=
> > Narasimha
> > ---------------------------------------------------------=
---------
> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/hom=
am
> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
>=
> > Free Jyotis=
> > Free Jyotish softwa=
> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC)=
> > ---------------------------------=
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regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>-----=
-------------------------------------------------------------<BR>Do
a Shor=
t Homam Yourself: <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam">http://=
www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</A><BR>Do
href=
<A
Jyotish =
lessons (MP3): <A
href=3D=

-------------------------
<BR> </FONT></DIV>
size=3D2>> Namaste<BR>> <BR>> Can you clarify if
women are allowe=
d to perform Tarpan, generally we <BR>> are not allowed to do
so in Mut=
t's.<BR>> <BR>> rgds<BR>> <BR>> shubha<BR>> --- In <A
href=
=3D"mailto:sohamsa@yahoogroups.com">sohamsa@yahoogroups.com</A>, "Narasimha=
P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@> <BR>> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > Namast=
e
friends,<BR>> > <BR>> > This is the 7th day of pitri p=
aksha
and there are 8 more days. <BR>> Krishna paksha (waning fortnight=
) of lunar
month Bhadrapada is <BR>> called pitri paksha. This fortinig=
ht coming just
before the nava <BR>> ratris is considered a great time =
to perform pitri
tarpanas. Those <BR>> who are interested in pitri tarp=
anas can download a
manual from the <BR>> website below and perform it.=
It is a very simple
procedure and can <BR>> be finished in 5-45 min, d=
epending on whether one
does super-short <BR>> or short or regular proc=
edure and how comfortable with
Sanskrita.<BR>> > <BR>> >=
*
* &nb=
sp; *<BR>> > <BR>> >
Most of us know about g=
od and about what is good to do and what is <BR>> bad.
Still we end up =
doing, thinking and wanting wrong things on a <BR>> constant
basis. The=
reason is that we cannot control our mind. The <BR>> root cause of
it =
is that mind is conditioned by various tendencies <BR>> accumulated over=
various karmas. It is very difficult to overcome <BR>> these

tendenci=
es.<BR>> > <BR>> > Tarpana washes away tendencies that
o=
ne got via karmik debt from <BR>> ancestors (and others who one has a de=
bt
to) in various lives. Homam <BR>> burns away tendencies that one got=
because
of various actions <BR>> committed by one in various lives. Th=
e mixture of
one's own actions <BR>> in the past and the debts to vario=
us beings in the
past creates the <BR>> set of tendencies that conditio=
n one's mind currently.
These two <BR>> sadhanas - homam and tarpana - =
are extremely effective for
<BR>> overcoming inherent tendencies and ma=
ke spiritual progress. Those
<BR>> who are interested can take advantag=
e of the easy manuals that were
<BR>> created for both.<BR>> >&nb=
sp; <BR>> > Best
regards,<BR>> > Narasimha<BR>> >
-----=
-------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> > =
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homa=
m">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</A><BR>>
> Do Pitri Tarpanas=
Yourself: <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana">http://www.V=
edicAstrologer.org/tarpana</A><BR>>
> Spirituality: <A
href=3D"http=
://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic=
-wisdom</A><BR>>
href=3D"http://ve=
dicastro.home.comcast.net">http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net</A><BR>>
=
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologe=
r.org">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org</A><BR>>
> Sri Jagannath Centr=
e (SJC) website: <A
href=3D"http://www.SriJagannath.org">http://www.SriJag=
annath.org</A><BR>> >
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Narsimha Garu,
Namaste!
- can one perform this in somebody else's home if=

one is away from
one's own home? (If one is staying in rented house or pa=
ying guest)
yours,
utpal
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha=

P.V.R. Rao"
<pvr@...> wrote:
>
> Namaste,
>
> I dealt with this before.=
Please refer to the following mail.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ve=
dic-wisdom/message/347
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> ------------------=
------------------------------------------------
> Do a Short Homam Yoursel=
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http:=
//www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
> Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/g=
roup/vedic-wisdom
> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comc=
ast.net
>=
> --------=
----------------------------------------------------------
>
> > Namaste=
> >
> > Can you clarify if women are allowed to perform Tarpan,
generall=
y we
> > are not allowed to do so in Mutt's.
> >
> > rgds
> >
> > shubha=
> > --- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>

> > wro=
te:
> > >
> > > Namaste friends,
> > >
> > > This is the 7th day of pitri=
paksha and there are 8 more days.
> > Krishna paksha (waning fortnight) o=
f lunar month Bhadrapada is
> > called pitri paksha. This fortinight comin=
g just before the nava
> > ratris is considered a great time to perform pi=
tri tarpanas.
Those
> > who are interested in pitri tarpanas can download=
a manual from
the
> > website below and perform it. It is a very simple =
procedure and
can
> > be finished in 5-45 min, depending on whether one d=
oes super-
short
> > or short or regular procedure and how comfortable wit=
h Sanskrita.
> > >
> > > * * *
> > >
> > > Most of us kno=
w about god and about what is good to do and
what is
> > bad. Still we en=
d up doing, thinking and wanting wrong things on
a
> > constant basis. Th=
e reason is that we cannot control our mind.
The
> > root cause of it is =
that mind is conditioned by various
tendencies
> > accumulated over vario=
us karmas. It is very difficult to
overcome
> > these tendencies.
> > > =
> > > Tarpana washes away tendencies that one got via karmik debt
from
>=
> ancestors (and others who one has a debt to) in various lives.
Homam
>=
> burns away tendencies that one got because of various actions
> > commi=
tted by one in various lives. The mixture of one's own
actions
> > in the=
past and the debts to various beings in the past creates
the
> > set of =
tendencies that condition one's mind currently. These two
> > sadhanas - h=
omam and tarpana - are extremely effective for
> > overcoming inherent ten=
dencies and make spiritual progress.
Those
> > who are interested can tak=
e advantage of the easy manuals that
were
> > created for both.
> > >
>=
> > Best regards,
> > > Narasimha
> > > ----------------------------------=
-----------------------------
---
> > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://w=
> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:
http://www.=
VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
> > > Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/gro=
up/vedic-wisdom
> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.co=
mcast.net
> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer=
.org
> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
=
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------
---
>=
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Dear Utpal,
Yes, that should be fine.
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Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Great Time for Pitri Tarpana
> Narsimha Garu,

>
> Namaste!
>
> - can one perform this in somebody else's home if one is away from
> one's own home? (If one is staying in rented house or paying guest)
>
> yours,
>
> utpal
>
> <pvr@...> wrote:
>>
>> Namaste,
>>
>> I dealt with this before. Please refer to the following mail.
>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom/message/347
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Narasimha
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
>> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> > Namaste
>> >
>> > Can you clarify if women are allowed to perform Tarpan,
> generally we
>> > are not allowed to do so in Mutt's.
>> >
>> > rgds
>> >
>> > shubha
>> > --- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Namaste friends,
>> > >
>> > > This is the 7th day of pitri paksha and there are 8 more days.
>> > Krishna paksha (waning fortnight) of lunar month Bhadrapada is
>> > called pitri paksha. This fortinight coming just before the nava
>> > ratris is considered a great time to perform pitri tarpanas.
> Those
>> > who are interested in pitri tarpanas can download a manual from
> the
>> > website below and perform it. It is a very simple procedure and
> can
>> > be finished in 5-45 min, depending on whether one does super-
> short
>> > or short or regular procedure and how comfortable with Sanskrita.
>> > >
>> > > * * *
>> > >
>> > > Most of us know about god and about what is good to do and
> what is
>> > bad. Still we end up doing, thinking and wanting wrong things on
> a
>> > constant basis. The reason is that we cannot control our mind.
> The
>> > root cause of it is that mind is conditioned by various
> tendencies
>> > accumulated over various karmas. It is very difficult to
> overcome
>> > these tendencies.
>> > >
>> > > Tarpana washes away tendencies that one got via karmik debt
> from
>> > ancestors (and others who one has a debt to) in various lives.
> Homam
>> > burns away tendencies that one got because of various actions
>> > committed by one in various lives. The mixture of one's own
> actions
>> > in the past and the debts to various beings in the past creates
> the
>> > set of tendencies that condition one's mind currently. These two
>> > sadhanas - homam and tarpana - are extremely effective for
>> > overcoming inherent tendencies and make spiritual progress.
> Those
>> > who are interested can take advantage of the easy manuals that
> were
>> > created for both.
>> > >
>> > > Best regards,
>> > > Narasimha
>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
>> > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
>> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:
> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
>> > > Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
>> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
>> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
>> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------
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I am new to the Yahoo group; I have two question=
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Re: Great Time for Pitri Tarpana
Dear friends,
Namaskar to all!
The rea=
l Pitrapaksha/Shradha-paksha ended actually on August 30,
2008, which was t=
he actual Pitra-Amavasya! The real Sharadiya
Navratras started on August 3=
1, 2008 and ended on September 9, 2008.
Dipavali, the festival of lights, =

is actually on Sunday, September
28, 2008, when all the Hindus will be "cel=
ebrating (sic!)"
Pitramavasya!
We have actually lost our cultural moorings=

just becasue of the fraud
known as "Vedic astrology" according to which Ut=
tarayana is not the
shortest day of the year (December 21/22) but some othe=
r day---
January 15---as that is the date "advocated" by "almighty" N. C.
L=
ahiri and Lahiriwalas. All our festivals and muhurtas have become
topsy tur=
vy because of "Vedic astrology" and "Vedic astrologers".
This will be clear=
from a list of correct dates of festivals being
uploaded in the files sect=
ion under the heading "08-09.pdf".
For any further clarifications, pl. join=
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HinduCalendar
Do wake up to this fraud that =
is being played on the entire Hindu
community!
With regards,
Avtar Krishen =
Kaul
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...>=
wrote:
>
> Dear Utpal,
>
> Yes, that should be fine.
>
> Best regards=
,
> Narasimha
> -----------------------------------------------------------=
-------
> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
>=
> Spiri=
> Free Jyotish lessons =
> Free Jyotish software (Windows)=
: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http=
://www.SriJagannath.org
> -------------------------------------------------=
-----------------
>
> From: "utpal patha=
k" <vedic_pathak@...>
> Sent: Sunday, =
September 21, 2008 8:04 PM
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Great Time for Pit=
ri Tarpana
>
>
> > Narsimha Garu,
> >
> > Namaste!
> >
> > - can one p=
erform this in somebody else's home if one is away
from
> > one's own hom=
e? (If one is staying in rented house or paying
guest)
> >
> > yours,
> >=
> > utpal

> >
> > --- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R.=
Rao"
> > <pvr@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Namaste,
> >>
> >> I dealt with this b=
efore. Please refer to the following mail.
> >>
> >> http://groups.yahoo.=
com/group/vedic-wisdom/message/347
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Narasimha=
> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------

-
>=
> >> Do=
Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:
> >> Spir=
ituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
> >> Free Jyotish less=
ons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
> >> Free Jyotish software (W=
> >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) web=
> >> ------------------------------------=
-----------------------------
-
> >>
> >> > Namaste
> >> >
> >> > Can y=
ou clarify if women are allowed to perform Tarpan,
> > generally we
> >> =
> are not allowed to do so in Mutt's.
> >> >
> >> > rgds
> >> >
> >> > sh=
ubha
> >> > --- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>
=
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Namaste friends,
> >> > >
> >> > > This i=
s the 7th day of pitri paksha and there are 8 more
days.
> >> > Krishna p=
aksha (waning fortnight) of lunar month Bhadrapada is
> >> > called pitri =
paksha. This fortinight coming just before the
nava
> >> > ratris is cons=
idered a great time to perform pitri tarpanas.
> > Those
> >> > who are i=
nterested in pitri tarpanas can download a manual
from
> > the
> >> > we=
bsite below and perform it. It is a very simple procedure
and
> > can
> =
>> > be finished in 5-45 min, depending on whether one does super-
> > shor=
t
> >> > or short or regular procedure and how comfortable with
Sanskrita=
.
> >> > >
> >> > > * * *
> >> > >
> >> > > Most of us kn=
ow about god and about what is good to do and
> > what is
> >> > bad. Sti=
ll we end up doing, thinking and wanting wrong things
on
> > a
> >> > co=
nstant basis. The reason is that we cannot control our mind.
> > The
> >>=
> root cause of it is that mind is conditioned by various
> > tendencies =
> >> > accumulated over various karmas. It is very difficult to

> > overc=
ome
> >> > these tendencies.
> >> > >
> >> > > Tarpana washes away tende=
ncies that one got via karmik debt
> > from
> >> > ancestors (and others =
who one has a debt to) in various lives.
> > Homam
> >> > burns away tend=
encies that one got because of various actions
> >> > committed by one in =
various lives. The mixture of one's own
> > actions
> >> > in the past an=
d the debts to various beings in the past
creates
> > the
> >> > set of =
tendencies that condition one's mind currently. These
two
> >> > sadhanas=
- homam and tarpana - are extremely effective for
> >> > overcoming inher=
ent tendencies and make spiritual progress.
> > Those
> >> > who are inte=
rested can take advantage of the easy manuals that
> > were
> >> > create=
d for both.
> >> > >
> >> > > Best regards,
> >> > > Narasimha
> >> > > -=
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> > ---
> >=
> > > Do a Short Homam Yourself:
> >>=
> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:
> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpan=
a
> >> > > Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
> >> > =
> >> > > =
Free Jyotish software (Windows):
> >> > > S=
ri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:
> >> > > --=
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Respected Sirs,
"Vedic astrology" - the greatest fraud on the Vedas
Namaskar!
The following speech was delivered in September 2006 at Rotary Club, West
Delhi. The same talk appeared later as an article in the souvenir of the
seminar on "Vedic astronomy & Cosmology"-December 2006. I am sure you will
find it interesting.
Regards,
A K Kaul
Om tat sat brahmarpanamastu!
Om Brahmanandam Parama sukhadam kevalam gyan moortim, dwandvateetam gagana

sadrisham tat-tvam asyadi lakshyam ekam
nityam vimalam achalamsarva dhee sakshi bhootam, bhavateetam triguna rahitam
shree gurum tam namami
"Vedic Astrology" - the greatest fraud on the Vedas!
Dear friends. Good evening to everybody!
I feel highly honoured to have been invited by Shri Ajay Bhasin for sharing
my views about astrology and related topics with respected personalities
assembled here. As most of us already know, we call these predictive
gimmicks as "Vedic astrology" these days.
When I was asked by Shri Bhasin about the heading of my talk, I had thought
of making it as "Vedic Astrology - the greatest fraud on the Vedas". On
second thoughts, fearing that it would be too explosive a heading, I made it
a sugar coated bitter pill by changing it to "Do we celebrate our festivals
on correct days?".
Well, actually, both i.e., the fraud known as "Vedic astrology" and "our
celebrating all our festivals on wrong days" are inter-related.
Let me start with "Vedic astrology" - as to why I call it a fraud!
There is hardly anyone in India, who does not want to know as to when his
"sade-sati" will start or end or as to which Dasha-antardasha he is running
and when that will end etc. etc. even if he does not know ABC of jyotisha.
I have gone through all those pangs myself and made a thorough study of all
the astrological works besides a lot of astronomical books! I studied
Western system of astrology also and had become a sort of famous astrologer,
though my predictions were as correct as anybody else's i.e. hardly 50%.
However, this is a secret that no "jyotishi" shares with anybody -- that
his/her predictions are hardly more correct than fifty per cent, whatever
logic or Ayanamsha he/she may use! When I analyzed the reasons for such a
dismal rate of success, the conclusions were startling! And I am keeping
those very conclusions before you!
Before proceeding further, I must, however, say something about myself since
you are well within your rights to ask me as to what "qualifications" I have
to demolish astrology that is being practised over the last several
centuries, nay even millennia!
My credentials Though I am not laying any claims to being a scholar,
however, I have actually studied all the four Vedas in original "archaic"
Sanskrit with their different "Bhashyas", besides the various Brahmanas
like Shatapatha, Aitreya, Tatiriya etc. etc. I have studied, (in original
Sanskrit!) about two hundred all the important Upanishads as well! I have
also gone through both the epics viz. the Valmiki Ramayana and the
Mahabharata --- in Sanskrit and from cover to cover, besides Adhyatma
Ramayana, Ramacharitamanasa etc. etc.! There is hardly any Purana whether
the Bhagavata, Shivapurana, Vishnu, Narada, Devi, Varaha, Matsya and
Vishnudharmotara etc. etc. that I have not gone through in original
Sanskrit. I have also studied exhaustively all the ancient astronomical
works like the Vedanga Jyotisha, Panchasidhantika, Surya Sidhanta, Arya
Bhati, Sidhanta Shiromani etc. etc. To crown it all, I was not a born
renegade against the established traditions. On the other hand, I was
initially "hypnotized" by "Vedic astrology" and "panchangas" myself and
there is hardly any "text-book" of astrology either in Sanskrit or Urdu or
English or Hindi that I have not studied with due reverence, as if I was
studying the Vedas!
Having established my credentials thus, I CAN DECLARE IT WITHOUT ANY

HESITATION AND WITH ALL THE EMPHASIS AT MY COMMAND, THAT THERE IS
ABSOLUTELY NO PREDICTIVE ASTROLOGY IN ANY OF THE VEDAS, UPANISHADAS OR
BRAHMANAS. There are, however, some references to some odd types of
predictions in some of the Puranas and the epics and therefore calling it as
really a post-Vedic astrology is more correct. There is a rider there also,
and that is that according to these scriptures, Makara Sankranti i.e. Pongal
is nothing but a synonym of Uttarayana (the shortest day of the year) i.e.
Winter Solstice and as everybody knows, it can take place these days only on
or around December 21 every year. Thus the Uttarayana-cum-Makar Sankranti
that we are celebrating now-a-days on January 14 is absolutely wrong and
does not have any authority from any shastra or even modern astronomy.
Similarly, the Vaishakhi that is being celebrated on April 14 or so also is
wrong since Mesha Sankranti is nothing but Vishuva (Vernal Equinox) or
Vasant Sampat and it cannot take place on any day other than March 21/22,
when the day and night are equal. Actually these Makara etc. sankrantis were
known as Tapah etc. months during the Vedic period as there are no rashis in
the Vedas but just six seasons and Madhu, Madhava etc. twelve months. As
such, we are celebrating all our fasts, fairs and muhurtas on wrong days --
thanks to "Vedic astrologers" and their "Vedic astrology".
The first and foremost thing I learnt from our shastras is that no system
of predictions has any sanction either from the Vedas or even Puranas
least of all our dharmashastras etc. since all our shastras admonish us from
consulting "nakshatra jeevis" so much so that the Manusmriti calls these
nakshatrasoochis as outcastes and not fit to sit in any sabha of learned
people.
Those who can foresee our future do not reveal it to us beforehand:
All the Ramayanas, whether Valmiki or Adhyatma or Ramacharitamanasa etc.

etc. say that before deciding about the coronation of Bhagwan Rama,
Dashratha wanted his guru Vasishtha to confirm the suitable muhurta for that
function. It was on the advice of Vasishtha Muni that Dasharatha decided
to anoint Rama as the Yuvraja the very next day, as it was "Tishya" i.e.
Pushya nakshata then. From this anecdote, it is clear that either Vasishtha
Muni did not know as to what was going to happen to Dasharatha by declaring
Bhagwan Rama as a crown-prince or Vasishtha kept quiet deliberately since he
did not want to interfere in the divine dispensation!
Obviously, being the son of Brahmaji and a highly exalted yogi as well as a
jnyani, Vasishtha-muni could peep into past as well as future. It means
that even if some exalted souls can foresee as to what is going to happen,
they do not reveal our "bhavishya" before hand, unlike some of the
astrologers of today, who masquerade as "Parasharas" and "Vamadevas" to tell
us even our past and future janmas just by glancing at our birth-charts,
even if those charts are wrong!
The Gita is said to be the gist of all our shastras. When Arjuna expressed
his doubt by saying naitadvidmah katarnno gareeyo, yadva jayema yadi va no
jayeyuh "I do not know what is good for me nor do I know whether we will win
or the Kauravas will win the war", Bhagwan Krishna neither asked him to
consult some soothsayer nor did He tell him to wear some ruby! He just
advised Arjuna "hato va prapsyasi swargam jitva va bokshyase maheem" i.e.
"You must fight. If you get killed in the war, you will go to the heavens
and if you win it you will be the lord of the whole world".
Thus all it boils down to is the fact that those who know (including Lord
Krishna Himself!) as to what is going to happen and when do not divulge such
"secrets" before hand to us.
Remedial measures are a farce: Almost all the jyotishis suggest one or the
other remedial measure to their clients, and mostly these are gems like
diamond or ruby or sapphire etc. etc. What is surprising is that we have
become so obsessed with Jyotish that we forget the entire itihasa of our
past!
(i) If these gems are that efficacious, why was then Dasharatha not
suggested some "ruby" or "coral" to ward off the evil Dasha that was going
to kill him when Rama would leave for the forests? Well, because our Rishis
did not believe in such gimmicks at all!
(ii) Bhagwan Krishna was born in a prison --- I wonder why He could not
use some "sapphire" to be born in a palace!
(iii) Vasudeva and Devaki---the parents of Bhagwan Krishna--- were in

chains when He was born! It is said that Lord Krishna was a complete - 16
kala sampoorna --- divine incarnation of Vishnu and was thus really
Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient! But in spite of His Omniscience,
Omnipotence and Omnipresence, Lord Krishna could not relieve the miseries of
his parents, Vasudeva and Devaki, who had to remain in chains till Krishna
killed Kansa!
What does it demonstrate? Just the fact that if the Omniscient, Omnipresent
and Omnipotent Krishna could not relieve the miseries of His own father or
mother before the appointed time, how can a ruby or a sapphire---or some
Mangala or Shani yagya--- remove all our miseries or fulfil all our
ambitions? Obviously, we are being taken for a ride by such Jyotishis!
iv) Then not in the distant past, Smti Indira Gandhi would run after
astrologers for knowing her future. She wore a rare and original ekamukhi
rudraksha, which only either the Maharaja of Nepal had or she was wearing!
It is said that some top-notch jyotishis had suggested that rudraksha to
her! Ironically, both the King of Nepal as well Mrs. Indira Gandhi were
assassinated "by the people" they "had trusted"----ekamukhi rudraksha not
withstanding! What does it prove? That we should not be hoodwinked by
soothsayers!
v) Then again a well known Tantrik of yore---highly respected by the then

PM--- is out on bail, not by dint of his "Tantra-Kriya" but because of some
legal loopholes in FERA!
Similarly, Dhirendra Brahmachari, another high profile "Tantrik", met with
an accident in the plane he was flying himself! If he could not see his own
death looming large how could he forewarn others!
What does that prove? Obviously, it warns us against relying on any

soothsayers, especially if they call themselves "Vedic Jyotishis" since they
are taking us for a ride literally.
Kalasarpa Dosha -- a non-existent fear psychosis: These days we hear a lot

about Kalasarpa Dosha! It is said to be present in any horoscope if all the
planets are between Rahu and Ketu! My God! What a humbug! Rahu and Ketu
are actually nodes of the Moon! That means they are just mathematical
points without any dimensions ---therefore without any physical existence
whatsoever! So according to "Vedic astrologers" even such "non-existent"
phenomena can make our lives miserable for which we must do some upay! Do
you need any other proofs for the jugglery that these cheats are indulging
in?
THE ONLY EFFECTIVE REMEDY, or UPAY, THEREFORE, IS THAT WE MUST REMEMBER HIM,
THE ALMIGHTY, EVERY MOMENT OF OUR LIVES AND LEAVE EVERY THING TO HIS DIVINE
WILL!.
Fake Brighu Samhitas and Parasharis:
We find a Brighu Samhita or a nadi Jyotishi or Aruna Samhita etc. in every

Muhalla these days! However, there is no mention in any of the Puranas or
shastras that any Rishi like Vasishtha or Garga or Brighu etc. have ever
written any books on predictive astrology. The Vishnu Purana by Parashara
is full of astronomical references ---and that also sayana i.e. the
seasonal year when Mesha sankranti is another name of Spring Equinox and so
on, but we do not find any mention of any Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra
there! Obviously, it is the worst concoction that can ever be had, and may
be that is why such a Parashari is the bible of "Vedic astrologers"
India has gone downhill because of astrology and astrologers: In India, we

have started going downhill ever since our rulers started running after
Jyotishis. In ancient days, during the time of the Mahabharata, it was a
dharma yudha that we had to fight against our own Duryodhanas but ever since
the advent of astrology almost simultaneously with the invasion of Alexander
the Great, and then the "Yavana Jatakam" of Sphujidwaja and the Surya
Sidhanta of Maya the Yavana (mlechha!), we had to fight outsiders! The
more the foreigners invaded us the more our rulers, instead of making a
united effort against the invaders, started consulting soothsayers whom they
called Rajajyotishis!
Varahamihira the worst culprit:
The maximum credit for creating such a fear psychosis of omens and ghosts
and ghouls and storms and even clouds goes to Varahamihira of 5th century
AD through his Brihat Samita and Brihat Jatakam and Panchasidhantika!
Before venturing into the battlefield, our monarchs would ask their
soothsayers to prepare "narpati jaya charya" and consult Brihat Samhita etc.
to see whether the "ketuchara" was favourable at that time or not! No
wonder with such a preliminary and hopeless knowledge of astronomical facts,
we were being pushed back into dark ages by Varahamihira and his followers!
Our historical records are witness to the fact that we were vanquished in
every battle, whether it was with Alexander the Great or Muhamud of Gazni or
Chengiz Khan or Nadir Shah or the Moguls or finally the East India Company,
thanks to the dependence of our monarchs on soothsayers (Rajajyotishis,
huh!) instead of the principles of war strategy and statecraft as adumbrated
by the Vedas, the Manu and even Chanakya, who chided kings for consulting
soothsayers!
BJP the latest example:
The fate of the BJP has not been any better than that of our earlier
monarchs by depending more on their "Vedic Jyotishis" who were responsible
for getting "Vedic Jyotisha (sic!)" prescribed in Indian Universities! It
is that very move that boomeranged on the party and even the "Minister of
astrology" did not win his own parliamentary seat from Allahabad, let alone
being the Union Minister again. Do you need any other proofs of the fact
that these "Vedic Jyotishis" will make you lose your seat of power well
before the appointed day just by making you advance your elections?
If we continue to follow the trend of our "monarchs" of having blind faith

in our soothsayers, then sooner than later we will become Babylon of
yesteryears, which is known as Iraq today!
Kashmiri Pandits were the worst affected by their blind faith in Jyotishis:
Another reason for my revolt against the so called "Vedic astrology" is

that as a Kashmiri Pandit, I have more to blame panchanga makers and
soothsayers and their predictive gimmicks than anything or anybody else
since they never forewarned us about any calamities that were going to
befall us! On the other hand, just to prove their astrological gimmicks,
they just made ---and are still making --- us celebrate all our festivals,
including Mahashivaratri, Vasanti Navratras, Ramanavami, Janmashtami and
Sharadiya navratras etc. on wrong days. It is these very jyotishis, whom we
had treated as our friends, philosophers and guides, who are responsible for
our downfall as Kahsmiri Pandits, since they proved neither our friends, nor
philosophers least of all our guides! These Panchanga makers/jyotishis were
the first to flee from Kashmir in 1990--- like the king Hari Singh at the
time of Pakistani raid in 1948--- since they had already made their
alternate homes in safer places like Jammu and Delhi. Those Jyotishis
just proved to be Shylocks, who were only interested in their Pound of flesh
by way of Dakshinas for janmapatris and matching of horoscopes -- all
cheating and nothing else!
These soothsayers have such a hypnotic grip on us that initially even I was
brain washed to believe that the Vedas had nothing else to do excepting
teaching us predictive astrology! I was so convinced that it appeared that
even the principle of Secondary Progressions must have been exported from
India to Western countries as the principle of "A day equals a year" was
mentioned in our Vedas! But thank God, I woke up to the situation and could
see through their tricks.
There are no Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis in the Vedas:
Leave alone predictive gimmicks, actually there are neither rashis like
Mesha, Vrisha etc. nor planets like Mangal, Shani etc. in the Vedas,
Upanishads, Brahmanas etc. Similarly, the Vedanga Jyotisha, the first
indigenous astronomical work of 14th century BCE, just tells us only as to
how to calculate tithi, nakshatra and Uttarayana-cum-Tapah-cum Magha etc.
months. It does not list any Mesha etc. rashis nor any planets like Mangal,
Budha etc. Same is the case with Yajur Jyotisha of about 11th century BCE
and later Atharva Jyotisha of about 5th century BCE, which does not have any
Rashis though it talks of planets. As such, it is really a fraud on the
Vedas being played by some charlatans to call any predictive gimmicks as
Vedic astrology and hail themselves as "Vedic Jyotishis". It is a crime
under "The Consumer Protection Act" as it is a misrepresentation of facts to
a client and is thus a deficiency in service.
Our predictions in the past also could never have been correct:
It is said that over the past about 2000 years, our ancestors like
Varahamihira or his son Prithuyashas etc., could make marvellously correct
predictions. THAT IS NOTHING BUT HOGWASH! Let us see how: prior to the
advent of scientific astronomy into India, i.e. about a couple of centuries
back, panchangas were based on astronomical works like the Surya Sidhanta or
Aryabhati or Sidhanta Shirmoani etc. etc. I have prepared a software called
"Mahesh". It calculates, apart from the actual tithi, nakshatra, yoga,
karna etc., the mean longitudes of all the planets from 10000 BCE to 12030
AD i.e. for more than 22,000 years as per the Surya Sidhanta, Aryabhati or
Sidhanta Shiromani etc. besides comparing them with the longitudes as per
modern astronomy. Anybody can download it freely from my discussion forum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HinduCalendar
Unfortunately for these jyotishis, we find that the very fundamental

arguments of these sidahntas like the Surya Sidhanta, the Aryabhati, the
Sidhanta Shiromani etc. etc. are absolutely wrong! .
That naturally means that any panchanga based on them would also be wrong,
with the result that any horoscope prepared on the basis of those panchangas
could never be correct. Thus it is impossible for any astrological
predictions to have been correct in the past! As such, it is all like the
famous couplet of Ghalib "yoon to hai hamko janat ki haqeeqat maloom
lekin; dil ke bahlane ko Ghalib yeh khayal achha hai"
Astrology cannot be a science Predictive astrology is supposed to be a

"science"! What a preposterous statement! When the data on which
predictions were based or are based these days are not correct, how can the
results be correct and how can we call it a science at all?
Stars do not affect us:
It is said that stars affect us! It appears either these astrologers have
gone honkers themselves or they suppose that the whole world has really gone
mad! Let us see how:
I am a puny human being on this small planet called earth. The sun is
hundreds of thousands of times larger than the earth! And there are other
stars of our nakshatra/rashichakra that are supposed to affect me
individually as per the Dasha-Bhukti that is running in my horoscope!
However, this fantastic statement has no leg to stand upon since the nearest
star of that Rashichakra is Shravana! And do you know its distance from me?
It is seventeen light years! And it is several times larger than our sun!
In other words, if that star wants i.e. Shravana wants to "affect" me
individually, it will take it at least seventeen years to do so even if that
"effect" travels at the speed of light! And by then, my Rahu or Shani or
whatever Dasha it may be must have been over! Then how can such a star which
is trillions of times larger than me send its rays in a concentrated form
just to haunt me at a particular point of time! Can you imagine what type
of laughing stocks we are making of ourselves by believing in such hocus
pocus!
Similarly, the next nearest star of our Rashichakra is Swati ! It is away
by 26 light years from me
and is again several times larger than our sun!!
It thus defies imagination as to how we can call astrology a science or how

it can be said that the "Stars affect us".
Patri Melapak (Horoscope Matching) is not warranted by shastras nor

astrology books:
Now coming to the fad called Patri Melapak i.e. horoscope matching! This
fad is the rage of the day! You will be surprised to know that none of our
shastras, whether the Manusmriti or the Ramayana or the Mahabharata, leave
alone the Vedas, have anything to do with Patri Melapak even by mistake! We
do not find any instances that any Vedic Rishi was addicted to such a fad,
since may be then most of them would still have been looking for a "suitable
Patri" for melapak! Not to speak of Dharma shastras, there is no mention of
this type of a malady in any of the astrology books like the so called
Parashari, or Mansagari or Phala Deepika or Jataka Parijata or any other
work! It appears to be a creation of the jyotishis of over the last one
hundred years or so. Aleberuni, who visited India in 1030 AD and recorded
quite faithfully all his experiences about Jyotisha and other things in
India also has not mentioned anything of any "Melapak" in his work!
"All India Calendar Reform Committee":

Summing up, as we have just seen, not only are we subjected to non-existent
fear psychosis like Kalasarpa Dosha and Patri Melapak etc. but we are
compelled to celebrate all our festivals on worng days. There are quite
a few people who agree with my point of view that these days we are
celebrating Pitra Amavasya on the day of Dipavali and marriages during
Pitra-Paksha! Similarly, we never celebrate Makar Sankranti on correct days
i.e. December 21/22 but we celebrate it on January 14. We also celebrate
Vaishakhi on April 14 instead of the day of Spring Equinox i.e., March 21 or
so. This has been all because of the so called "Vedic astrology"
To put our festivals back on the right track, I made quite a few
representations to the Hon'ble President of India, the Prime Minister of
India, various ministries besides the Positional Astronomy Centre at
Calcutta, who publish our Rashtriya Panchanga. I also made similar
representations to all the reverred Shankaracharyas of all the six peethas,
besides other saints and Mahatmas, but sorry to say, there has been
absolutely no response from any quarter!
We have now formed an "All India Calendar Reform Committee" and are
enrolling members for the same. Those interested can log on to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HinduCalendar for entering into discussions
regarding the same. You can also get a list of correct dates of festivals
for 2006 and 2007 from that forum. As an alternative, you can get in touch
with me whenever you want to for any further clarifications.
Thank you very much for listening to this "exhortation" against "Vedic
astrology" and the efforts I am making to streamline our calendars.
Om tat sat brahmarpanam astu
Avtar Krishen Kaul
President
All India Calendar Reform Committee
H. No. 5, MIG, 00-A,
Sector-2, Avantika, Rohini, Delhi-110085.
Email:jyotirved@...; a_krishen@...; Tel. 011-27516483
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<h2 style=3D'text-align:justify'><b><font size=3D1 face=3DVer=

dana><span lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Respe=
cted Sirs,<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></h2>
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fy'><b><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span lang=3DEN-GB
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9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> =

&n=
bsp; “Vedic
astrology” – the greatest fraud on the =
Vedas<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></h2>
<h2 style=3D'text-align:justify'><=
b><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt=
;font-family:Verdana'>Namaskar!<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></h2>
<h2 styl=
e=3D'text-align:justify'><b><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span lang=3DEN-G=
B
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>The following speech was de=
livered
in September 2006 at Rotary Club, <st1:place w:st=3D"on">West Delhi=
</st1:place>. The
same talk appeared later as an article in the souvenir of=
the seminar on
“Vedic astronomy & Cosmology”—Decembe=
r 2006. I am sure
you will find it interesting.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b=
></h2>
<h2 style=3D'text-align:justify'><b><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><=

span lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Regards,<o:=
p></o:p></span></font></b></h2>
<h2 style=3D'text-align:justify'><b><font =
size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-fa=
mily:Verdana'>A K Kaul<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></h2>
<h2 style=3D'text=
-align:justify'><b><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span lang=3DEN-GB
style=
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p; &=
nbsp;
&nb=
sp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></h2>
<h2 style=3D'marg=
in-left:.5in;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><st1:place
w:st=3D"on"><b=
><i><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:
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.0pt;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:normal;font-style:italic'>Om</span></f=
ont></i></b></st1:place><i><font
size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span lang=3DEN-GB=
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
font-weight:normal;font-styl=
e:italic'> tat sat brahmarpanamastu!<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></h2=
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<h2 style=3D'line-height:12.0pt'><b><i><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><sp=

an
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:no=
rmal;
font-style:italic'>Om Brahmanandam Parama sukhadam kevalam gyan moort=
im,
dwandvateetam gagana sadrisham tat-tvam asyadi lakshyam
&nb=
sp; =
&nb=
sp;
ekam nityam vimalam achalamsarva dhee sakshi bh=
ootam, bhavateetam triguna
rahitam shree gurum tam namami <o:p></o:p></span=
></font></i></b></h2>
<h2 style=3D'text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><b=
><font size=3D1
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-s=
ize:9.0pt'>"Vedic
Astrology" - the greatest fraud on the Vedas!<o=
:p></o:p></span></font></b></h2>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:=

justify'><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-siz=
e:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Dear friends. Good
evening to everybody!<o:p><=
/o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'>=

<font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;f=
ont-family:Verdana'>I feel highly honoured
to have been invited by Shri Aja=
y Bhasin for sharing my views about astrology
and related topics with respe=
cted personalities assembled here. As most
of us already know, we cal=
l these predictive gimmicks as “Vedic
astrology” these days.&nb=
sp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text=

-align:justify'><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'f=
ont-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p=
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><font size=3D1 face=3DVerda=
na><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>When I =
was asked by Shri
Bhasin about the heading of my talk, I had thought of mak=
ing it as “Vedic
Astrology – the greatest fraud on the Vedas#=
221;. On second
thoughts, fearing that it would be too explosive a he=
ading, I made it a sugar
coated bitter pill by changing it to “Do we =
celebrate our festivals on
correct days?”.<o:p></o:p></span></font></=
p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><font size=3D1 face=

=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'=
><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-al=
ign:justify'><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font=
-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Well, actually, both
i.e., the fraud known=
as “Vedic astrology” and “our
celebrating all our festiv=
als on wrong days” are inter-related. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
=
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><font size=3D1 face=3DVer=
dana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Let m=
e start with
“Vedic astrology” - as to why I call i=
t a fraud!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

ont-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>There is hardly anyone
in <st1:place w:=
st=3D"on"><st1:country-region w:st=3D"on">India</st1:country-region></st1:p=
lace>,
who does not want to know as to when his “sade–sati̶=
1; will
start or end or as to which Dasha-antardasha he is running and when=
that will
end etc. etc. even if he does not know ABC of jyotisha.&nbs=
p; I have gone
through all those pangs myself and made a thorough study of =
all the
astrological works besides a lot of astronomical books! I stu=
died Western
system of astrology also and had become a sort of famous astro=
loger, though my
predictions were as correct as anybody else’s i.e. h=
ardly 50%.
However, this is a secret that no “jyotishi” s=
hares with anybody --
that his/her predictions are hardly more correct than=
fifty per cent, whatever
logic or Ayanamsha he/she may use! When I a=
nalyzed the reasons for such a
dismal rate of success, the conclusions were=
startling! And I am keeping
those very conclusions before you!<o:p><=
/o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'>=

ont-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNorm=
al style=3D'text-align:justify'><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3D=
EN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Before proceeding
furth=
er, I must, however, say something about myself since you are well within
y=
our rights to ask me as to what “qualifications” I have to
demo=
lish astrology that is being practised over the last several
centurie=
s, nay even millennia!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal s=
tyle=3D'text-align:justify'><b><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DE=
N-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

justify'><b><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-=
size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold'>My
credentials </span></fo=
nt></b><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:=
9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Though I am not laying any claims
to being a sch=
olar, however, I have actually studied all the four Vedas in
original ̶=
0;archaic” Sanskrit with their different
“Bhashyas”, besi=
des the various Brahmanas like Shatapatha,
Aitreya, Tatiriya etc. etc=
. I have studied, (in original Sanskrit!) about two
hundred all the importa=
nt Upanishads as well! I have also gone through both the
epics viz. the Val=
miki Ramayana and the Mahabharata --- in Sanskrit and
from cover to c=
over, besides Adhyatma Ramayana, Ramacharitamanasa etc. etc.!
There is hard=
ly any Purana whether the Bhagavata, Shivapurana, Vishnu, Narada,
Devi, Var=
aha, Matsya and Vishnudharmotara etc. etc. that I have not gone
through in =
original Sanskrit. I have also studied exhaustively all the ancient
astrono=
mical works like the Vedanga Jyotisha, Panchasidhantika, Surya Sidhanta,
Ar=
ya Bhati, Sidhanta Shiromani etc. etc. To crown it all, I was not a born
re=
negade against the established traditions. On the other hand, I was
i=
nitially “hypnotized” by “Vedic astrology” and
R=
20;panchangas” myself and there is hardly any “text-book”=
of astrology either in Sanskrit or Urdu or English or Hindi that I have no=

t
studied with due reverence, as if I was studying the Vedas! <b><span
styl=
e=3D'font-weight:bold'><o:p></o:p></span></b></span></font></p>
<p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><font size=3D1
f=
ace=3DVerdana><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verda=
na'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

ont-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Having established my
credentials thus,=
I CAN DECLARE IT WITHOUT ANY HESITATION <st1:stockticker
w:st=3D"on">AND</=
st1:stockticker> WITH <st1:stockticker w:st=3D"on">ALL</st1:stockticker>
TH=
E EMPHASIS AT MY COMMAND, THAT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PREDICTIVE
ASTR=
OLOGY IN ANY OF THE VEDAS, UPANISHADAS OR BRAHMANAS. There are, however,
so=
me references to some odd types of predictions in some of the Puranas and t=
he
epics and therefore calling it as really a post-Vedic astrology is more
=
correct. There is a rider there also, and that is that according to t=
hese
scriptures, Makara Sankranti i.e. Pongal is nothing but a synonym of U=
ttarayana
(the shortest day of the year) i.e. Winter Solstice and as everyb=
ody knows, it
can take place these days only on or around December 21 every=
year. Thus
the Uttarayana-cum-Makar Sankranti that we are celebratin=
g now-a-days on
January 14 is absolutely wrong and does not have any author=
ity from any shastra
or even modern astronomy. Similarly, the Vaishak=
hi that is being
celebrated on April 14 or so also is wrong since Mesha San=
kranti is nothing but
Vishuva (Vernal Equinox) or Vasant Sampat and it cann=
ot take place on any
day other than March 21/22, when the day and nig=
ht are equal. Actually
these Makara etc. sankrantis were known as Tapah etc=
. months during the Vedic
period as there are no rashis in the Vedas but ju=
st six seasons and Madhu,
Madhava etc. twelve months. As such, we are=
celebrating all our fasts,
fairs and muhurtas on wrong days -- thank=
s to “Vedic
astrologers” and their “Vedic astrology=
”. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-=

align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><font size=3D1
face=3DVerdana><span lang=3D=
EN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span=
></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><font size=

=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family=
:Verdana'> The first and
foremost thing I learnt from our shastras is =
that no system of predictions has
any sanction either from the Vedas&=
nbsp; or even Puranas least of all our
dharmashastras etc. since all o=
ur shastras admonish us from consulting
“nakshatra jeevis” so m=
uch so that the Manusmriti calls these
nakshatrasoochis as outcastes and no=
t fit to sit in any sabha of learned
people.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
=
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><b><font size=3D1 face=3D=
Verdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;fon=
t-weight:bold'>Those
who can foresee our future do not reveal it to us befo=
rehand:</span></font></b><font
size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span lang=3DEN-GB s=
tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
=
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><font size=3D1 face=3DVe=

rdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>All =
the Ramayanas,
whether Valmiki or Adhyatma or Ramacharitamanasa etc. etc. s=
ay that before
deciding about the coronation of Bhagwan Rama, Dashratha wan=
ted his guru
Vasishtha to confirm the suitable muhurta for that function.&n=
bsp; It was on
the advice of Vasishtha Muni that Dasharatha decided t=
o anoint Rama as
the Yuvraja the very next day, as it was “TishyaR=
21; i.e. Pushya
nakshata then. From this anecdote, it is clear =
that either Vasishtha Muni
did not know as to what was going to happen to D=
asharatha by declaring Bhagwan
Rama as a crown-prince or Vasishtha kept qui=
et deliberately since he did not
want to interfere in the divine dispensati=
on!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

justify'><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-siz=
e:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><sp=
an
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Obviously, be=
ing the son
of Brahmaji and a highly exalted yogi as well as a jnyani, Vasi=
shtha-muni could
peep into past as well as future. It means that even=
if some exalted
souls can foresee as to what is going to happen, they do n=
ot reveal our
“bhavishya” before hand, unlike some of the astro=
logers of today,
who masquerade as “Parasharas” and “Vama=
devas” to tell
us even our past and future janmas just by glancing at=
our birth-charts, even
if those charts are wrong!<o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</p>

=3DVerdana><span
><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-al=

ign:justify'><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font=
-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>The Gita is said to be
the gist of all our=
shastras. When Arjuna expressed his doubt by saying <i><span
style=
=3D'font-style:italic'>naitadvidmah katarnno gareeyo, yadva jayema yadi va
=
no jayeyuh</span></i> “I do not know what is good for me nor do I kno=
w
whether we will win or the Kauravas will win the war”, Bhagwan Kris=
hna
neither asked him to consult some soothsayer nor did He tell him to wea=
r some
ruby! He just advised Arjuna ”<i><span style=3D'font-sty=
le:italic'>hato
va prapsyasi swargam jitva va bokshyase maheem</span></i>&#=
8221; i.e.
“You must fight. If you get killed in the war,=
you will go to the
heavens and if you win it you will be the lord of the w=
hole world”.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=

=3D'text-align:justify'><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB st=
yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Thus all it boils down
to is th=
e fact that those who know (including Lord Krishna Himself!) as to what
is =
going to happen and when do not divulge such “secrets” before
h=
and to us.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

ont-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p=
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><b><font size=3D1 face=3DVe=
rdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;font-=
weight:bold'>Remedial
measures are a farce:</span></font></b><font size=3D1=
face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Ver=
dana'> Almost all the
jyotishis suggest one or the other remedial measure t=
o their clients, and
mostly these are gems like diamond or ruby or sapphire=
etc. etc. What is
surprising is that we have become so obsessed with=
Jyotish that we forget the
entire itihasa of our past!<o:p></o:p></span></=
font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><font size=3D1=

dana'>(i) If
these gems are that efficacious, =
why was then Dasharatha not suggested some
“ruby” or “cor=
al” to ward off the evil Dasha that was
going to kill him when Rama w=
ould leave for the forests? Well, because
our Rishis did not believe =
in such gimmicks at all!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal=
style=3D'text-align:justify'><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN=
-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>(ii) Bhagwan Krishna was
=
born in a prison --- I wonder why He could not use some&n=
bsp;
“sapphire” to be born in a palace!<o:p></o:p><=
/span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;text-=

align:justify'><font
size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'fo=
nt-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> (iii)
Vasudeva and Devaki---the pa=
rents of Bhagwan Krishna--- were in chains when He
was born! It is said tha=
t Lord Krishna was a complete – <i><span
style=3D'font-style:italic'>=
16 kala sampoorna</span></i> --- divine
incarnation of Vishnu and was=
thus really Omnipotent, Omnipresent and
Omniscient! But in spite of =
His Omniscience, Omnipotence and
Omnipresence, Lord Krishna could not relie=
ve the miseries of his parents,
Vasudeva and Devaki, who had to remain in c=
hains till <st1:place w:st=3D"on">Krishna</st1:place>
killed Kansa!<o:p></o=
:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>=

ont-family:Verdana'>What does it demonstrate?
Just the fact that if t=
he Omniscient, Omnipresent and Omnipotent Krishna could
not relieve the mis=
eries of His own father or mother before the appointed time,
how can a ruby=
or a sapphire---or some Mangala or Shani yagya--- remove all our
miseries =
or fulfil all our ambitions? Obviously, we are being taken for a
ride=
by such Jyotishis!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal styl=

e=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;text-align:justify'><font
size=3D1 face=3DVerdana=
><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>iv)
Then =
not in the distant past, Smti Indira Gandhi would run after astrologers
for=
knowing her future. She wore a rare and original <i><span
style=3D'f=
ont-style:italic'>ekamukhi rudraksha</span></i>, which only either the
Maha=
raja of Nepal had or she was wearing! It is said that some top-notch
=
jyotishis had suggested that rudraksha to her! Ironically, both the K=
ing
of Nepal as well Mrs. Indira Gandhi were assassinated “by the
peo=
ple” they “had trusted”----<i><span style=3D'font-style:
=
italic'>ekamukhi rudraksha </span></i>not withstanding! What does it
p=
rove? That we should not be hoodwinked by soothsayers!<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><font siz=

e=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-famil=
y:Verdana'>v) Then again a well
known Tantrik of yore---highly respected by=
the then PM--- is out on bail, not
by dint of his “Tantra-Kriya̶=
1; but because of some legal loopholes
in FERA!<br>
Similarly, Dhirendra Br=
ahmachari, another high profile “Tantrik”,
met with an accident=
in the plane he was flying himself! If he could not
see his own deat=
h looming large how could he forewarn others!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
=

rdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'><br>=
What does that prove? Obviously, it warns us against relying on any

=
soothsayers, especially if they call themselves “Vedic Jyotishis̶=
1;
since they are taking us for a ride literally. <o:p></o:p></span></=
font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><b><font size=

:Verdana;font-weight:bold'>Kalasarpa
Dosha -- a non-existent fear psy=
chosis: </span></font></b><font size=3D1
face=3DVerdana><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>These
days we hear a lot abou=
t Kalasarpa Dosha! It is said to be present in any
horoscope if all t=
he planets are between Rahu and Ketu! My God!
What a humbug!&nb=
sp; Rahu and Ketu are actually nodes of the Moon! That
means they are=
just mathematical points without any dimensions ---therefore
without any p=
hysical existence whatsoever! So according to “Vedic
astrologer=
s” even such “non-existent” phenomena can make our
lives =
miserable for which we must do some <i><span style=3D'font-style:italic'>up=
ay</span></i>!
Do you need any other proofs for the jugglery that the=
se cheats are indulging
in?<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'><o:p></o:p><=
/span></b></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:just=

ify'><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.=
0pt;font-family:Verdana'>THE ONLY EFFECTIVE
REMEDY, or <i><span style=3D'fo=
nt-style:italic'>UPAY,</span></i> THEREFORE, IS
THAT WE MUST REMEMBER HIM, =
THE ALMIGHTY, EVERY MOMENT OF OUR LIVES <st1:stockticker
w:st=3D"on">AND</s=
t1:stockticker> LEAVE EVERY THING TO HIS DIVINE WILL!. <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><b><font=

size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-f=
amily:Verdana;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p=
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><b><font size=3D1 face=3DVe=
rdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;font-=
weight:bold'>Fake
Brighu Samhitas and Parasharis:<o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/b></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><font size=3D1 f=

ace=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verda=
na'>We find a Brighu Samhita
or a nadi Jyotishi or Aruna Samhita etc. in ev=
ery Muhalla these days!
However, there is no mention in any of the Pu=
ranas or shastras that any Rishi
like Vasishtha or Garga or Brighu etc. hav=
e ever written any books on
predictive astrology. The Vishnu Pur=
ana by Parashara is full of
astronomical references ---and that also =
sayana i.e. the seasonal year when
Mesha sankranti is another name of Sprin=
g Equinox and so on, but we do not find
any mention of any Brihat Parashara=
Hora Shastra there! Obviously, it is
the worst concoction that can e=
ver be had, and may be that is why such a
Parashari is the bible of “=
Vedic astrologers”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal=
style=3D'text-align:justify'><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN=
-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'><br>
<st1:country-region =
w:st=3D"on"><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>India</span></b></st1:count=
ry-region><b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'> has gone downhill because of=
astrology and
astrologers:</span></b> In <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:count=
ry-region w:st=3D"on">India</st1:country-region></st1:place>,
we have start=
ed going downhill ever since our rulers started running after
Jyotishis.&nb=
sp; In ancient days, during the time of the Mahabharata, it was a
dharma yu=
dha that we had to fight against our own Duryodhanas but ever since
the adv=
ent of astrology almost simultaneously with the invasion of Alexander
the G=
reat, and then the “Yavana Jatakam” of Sphujidwaja and the
Sury=
a Sidhanta of Maya the Yavana (mlechha!), we had to fight
outsiders!&=
nbsp; The more the foreigners invaded us the more our rulers,
instead of ma=
king a united effort against the invaders, started consulting
soothsayers w=
hom they called Rajajyotishis! <b><span style=3D'font-weight:
bold'><o=
:p></o:p></span></b></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-=

align:justify'><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'fo=
nt-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><b><font size=3D1 face=3DVer=
dana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;font-w=
eight:bold'>Varahamihira
the worst culprit:<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p=
>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><font size=3D1 face=3D=

Verdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Th=
e maximum credit for
creating such a fear psychosis of omens and ghosts and=
ghouls and
storms and even clouds goes to Varahamihira of 5th =
century AD
through his Brihat Samita and Brihat Jatakam and Panchasidhantik=
a! Before
venturing into the battlefield, our monarchs would ask thei=
r soothsayers to
prepare <i><span style=3D'font-style:italic'>“narpat=
i jaya charya”</span></i>
and consult Brihat Samhita etc. to see whet=
her the “ketuchara” was
favourable at that time or not! N=
o wonder with such a preliminary and
hopeless knowledge of astronomical fac=
ts, we were being pushed back into dark
ages by Varahamihira and his follow=
ers!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align=

:justify'><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-si=
ze:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=
an
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Our historica=
l records
are witness to the fact that we were vanquished in ev=
ery
battle, whether it was with Alexander the Great or Muhamud of Gazn=
i or
Chengiz Khan or Nadir Shah or the Moguls or finally the East Ind=
ia
Company, thanks to the dependence of our monarchs on soothsayers
(Rajajy=
otishis, huh!) instead of the principles of war strategy and statecraft
as =
adumbrated by the Vedas, the Manu and even Chanakya, who chided kings for
c=
onsulting soothsayers!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal s=
tyle=3D'text-align:justify'><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-G=
B style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'><br>
<b><span style=3D'font=
-weight:bold'>BJP the latest example:</span></b><o:p></o:p></span></font></=
p>

=3DVerdana><span
>The fate of the BJP has
not been any better than that of our earlier monar=
chs by depending more on
their “Vedic Jyotishis” who were respo=
nsible for getting
“Vedic Jyotisha (sic!)” prescribed in Indian=
Universities! It
is that very move that boomeranged on the party and=
even the “Minister of
astrology” did not win his own parliamen=
tary seat from <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City
w:st=3D"on">Allahabad</st1=
:City></st1:place>, let alone being the Union Minister
again. Do you need a=
ny other proofs of the fact that these “Vedic
Jyotishis” =
will make you lose your seat of power well before the
appointed day just by=
making you advance your elections?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=
an
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> <o:p></=
o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><=

font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;fo=
nt-family:Verdana'> If we continue to
follow the trend of our “m=
onarchs” of having blind faith in
our soothsayers, then so=
oner than later we will become <st1:City
w:st=3D"on">Babylon</st1:City> of =
yesteryears, which is known as <st1:place
w:st=3D"on"><st1:country-region w=
:st=3D"on">Iraq</st1:country-region></st1:place>
today!<o:p></o:p></span></=
font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><font size=3D1=

dana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'te=

xt-align:justify'><b><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=
=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold'>Kashmiri
Pandits =
were the worst affected by their blind faith in Jyotishis:<o:p></o:p></span=
></font></b></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><font s=

ize=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-fam=
ily:Verdana'> Another reason for
my revolt against the so called ̶=
0;Vedic astrology” is that as a
Kashmiri Pandit, I have more to =
;blame panchanga makers and soothsayers
and their predictive gimmicks than =
anything or anybody else since they never
forewarned us about any calamitie=
s that were going to befall us! On the
other hand, just to prove thei=
r astrological gimmicks, they just made ---and
are still making --- us cele=
brate all our festivals, including Mahashivaratri,
Vasanti Navratras, Raman=
avami, Janmashtami and Sharadiya navratras etc. on
wrong days. It is these =
very jyotishis, whom we had treated as our friends,
philosophers and guides=
, who are responsible for our downfall as Kahsmiri
Pandits, since they prov=
ed neither our friends, nor philosophers least of all
our guides! The=
se Panchanga makers/jyotishis were the first to flee from
Kashmir in =
1990--- like the king Hari Singh at the time of Pakistani raid
in 1948--- s=
ince they had already made their alternate homes in safer places
like =
<st1:City w:st=3D"on">Jammu</st1:City> and <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:Cit=
y
w:st=3D"on">Delhi</st1:City></st1:place>. Those Jyotishis ju=
st
proved to be Shylocks, who were only interested in their Pound of flesh =
by way
of Dakshinas for janmapatris and matching of horoscopes -- all=
cheating
and nothing else!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNor=
mal style=3D'text-align:justify'><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=
=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></s=
pan></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;text-al=
ign:justify'><font
size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font=
-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>These
soothsayers have such a hypnotic gri=
p on us that initially even I was brain
washed to believe that the Vedas ha=
d nothing else to do excepting teaching us
predictive astrology! I wa=
s so convinced that it appeared that even the
principle of Secondary Progre=
ssions must have been exported from <st1:place
w:st=3D"on"><st1:country-reg=
ion w:st=3D"on">India</st1:country-region></st1:place>
to Western countries=
as the principle of “A day equals a year” was
mentioned in our=
Vedas! But thank God, I woke up to the situation and
could see throu=
gh their tricks.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=

=3D'text-align:justify'><b><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB=
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold'>There
are n=
o Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis in the Vedas: <o:p></o:p></span></f=
ont></b></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><font size=

:Verdana'> Leave alone
predictive gimmicks, actually there are neither=
rashis like Mesha, Vrisha etc.
nor planets like Mangal, Shani etc. in the&=
nbsp; Vedas, Upanishads, Brahmanas
etc. Similarly, the Vedanga Jyotisha, th=
e first indigenous astronomical work of
14<sup>th</sup> century <st1:stockt=
icker w:st=3D"on">BCE</st1:stockticker>, just
tells us only as to how to ca=
lculate tithi, nakshatra and
Uttarayana-cum-Tapah-cum Magha etc. months.&nb=
sp; It does not list any Mesha
etc. rashis nor any planets like Mangal, Bud=
ha etc. Same is the case with
Yajur Jyotisha of about 11<sup>th</sup>=
century <st1:stockticker w:st=3D"on">BCE</st1:stockticker>
and later Athar=
va Jyotisha of about 5<sup>th</sup> century <st1:stockticker
w:st=3D"on">BC=
E</st1:stockticker>, which does not have any Rashis though it talks
of plan=
ets. As such, it is really a fraud on the Vedas being played
by =
some charlatans to call any predictive gimmicks as Vedic astrology and hail=
themselves as “Vedic Jyotishis”. It is a crime under “Th=

e
Consumer Protection Act” as it is a misrepresentation of facts to a=
client and is thus a deficiency in service. <o:p></o:p></span></font=

></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><font size=3D1 fac=

e=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana=
'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-a=

lign:justify'><b><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'=
font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold'>Our
predictions in th=
e past also could never have been correct:<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><font size=3D1 face=3DV=

erdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>&nb=
sp;It is said that
over the past about 2000 years, our ancestors like Varah=
amihira or his son
Prithuyashas etc., could make marvellously correct predi=
ctions. THAT IS NOTHING
BUT HOGWASH! Let us see how: prior to the advent of=
scientific astronomy into <st1:place
w:st=3D"on"><st1:country-region w:st=
=3D"on">India</st1:country-region></st1:place>,
i.e. about a couple of cent=
uries back, panchangas were based on astronomical
works like the Surya Sidh=
anta or Aryabhati or Sidhanta Shirmoani etc.
etc. I have prepared a s=
oftware called “Mahesh”. It
calculates, apart from the ac=
tual tithi, nakshatra, yoga, karna etc., the mean
longitudes of all the pla=
nets from 10000 <st1:stockticker w:st=3D"on">BCE</st1:stockticker>
to 12030=
AD i.e. for more than 22,000 years as per the Surya Sidhanta,
Aryabhati or=
Sidhanta Shiromani etc. besides comparing them with the longitudes
as per =
modern astronomy. Anybody can download it freely from my discussion
forum<o=
:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justi=

fy'><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:Verdana'> <a
href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hind=
uCalendar"
title=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HinduCalendar">http://gro=
ups.yahoo.com/group/HinduCalendar</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><s=
pan
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Unfortunatel=
y for these
jyotishis, we find that the very fundamental arguments of these=
sidahntas like
the Surya Sidhanta, the Aryabhati, the Sidhanta Shiromani e=
tc. etc. are
absolutely wrong! . <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
=

rdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>That=
naturally means
that any panchanga based on them would also be wrong, with=
the result that any
horoscope prepared on the basis of those panchangas co=
uld never be correct.
Thus it is impossible for any astrological prediction=
s to have been correct in
the past! As such, it is all like the famou=
s couplet of Ghalib <i><span
style=3D'font-style:italic'>“yoon =
to hai hamko janat ki haqeeqat
maloom lekin; dil ke bahlane ko Ghalib=
yeh khayal achha hai”</span></i><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana>=
<span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'><o:p> =
;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify=

'><b><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:9.=
0pt;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold'>Astrology
cannot be a science </s=
pan></font></b><font size=3D1 face=3DVerdana><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'fo=
nt-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Predictive astrology is
supposed to be a=
“science”! What a preposterous statement!
When the data =
on which predictions were based or are based these days are not
correct, ho=
w can the results be correct and how can we call it a science at
all? <b><s=
pan style=3D'font-weight:bold'><o:p></o:p></span></b></span></font></p>
<p=
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'
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Mr Kaul
It is nice to see that you have a very exhaustive knowledge of ved=

as, upanishads and vast things that our rishis have left for us.Read your e=
xhaustive lecture on vedic astrology which you have written what you have f=
elt. At least finally at the end of the mail you felt that god almighty is =
there even though we dont see him.=A0 That was your belief and also the bel=
ief of the entire humanity whether dead or alive.=A0 In the same way most o=
f the Indians, why only Indians the entire community feels that astrology d=
o exists and we can predict our future may not be 100% but yes to some exte=
nt.=A0 If human beings are given the power to predict that we do not call o=
urselves as human beings we would call our selves as gods.=A0 Hence god the=
almighty has not given us the power to forsee the future.
But please und=

erstand that there are great souls on this earth like Pandit Sanjay Rath, S=
hri PVR Narsimha rao their disciples who have understood the subject in dep=
th.=A0 The parampara has not come to them just like that it is there from t=
heir forefathers and it has come up to them.
Everybody has the right not t=

o believe things but please note that no human being has got the right to d=
egrade this science.
You said there is no Sade Sathi, I know what Sade Sat=

hi is because I have through it and those tortorous 7 years.=A0 It is not t=
hat I am a dumb person and will take whatever comes to me , I am a very har=
d working person but still the situation has arisen for me without my contr=
ol and myself and soul has gone through those torterous years.
I know you =
would be a very learned person and if that is the case kindly keep your com=
ments for your self and please do not hurt the feelings of those people who=
believe in destiny and people who would like to learn astrology
With Rega=
rds
--- On Tue, 9/23/08, jyotirved <jyotirved@...> wrote:

From: j=
yotirved <jyotirved@...>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] "Vedic astrology" - =
the greatest fraud on the Vedas!
Date: Tue=
sday, September 23, 2008, 5:51 PM
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Respected Sirs,
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=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =93Vedic
astrology=94 =96 the greatest fraud on the Veda=
s
Namaskar!
The following speech was delivered

in September 2006 at Rot=
ary Club, West Delhi . The
same talk appeared later as an article in the so=
uvenir of the seminar on
=93Vedic astronomy & Cosmology=94=97December 2006.=
I am sure
you will find it interesting.
Regards,
A K Kaul
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=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
Om tat sat=A0 brahmarpanamastu!
Om Brahmanandam =
Parama sukhadam kevalam gyan moortim,
dwandvateetam gagana sadrisham tat-tv=
am asyadi lakshyam
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
ekam nityam vimalam achalamsarva=
dhee sakshi bhootam, bhavateetam triguna
rahitam shree gurum tam namami
=
"Vedic
Astrology" - the greatest fraud on the Vedas!
Dear friends. Good

=
evening to everybody!
I feel highly honoured

to have been invited by Shri=
Ajay Bhasin for sharing my views about astrology
and related topics with r=
espected personalities assembled here.=A0 As most
of us already know, we ca=
ll these predictive gimmicks as =93Vedic
astrology=94 these days.=A0 =A0
=
=A0
When I was asked by Shri

Bhasin about the heading of my talk, I had =
thought of making it as =93Vedic
Astrology =96 the greatest fraud on the Ve=
das=94.=A0 On second
thoughts, fearing that it would be too explosive a hea=
ding, I made it a sugar
coated bitter pill by changing it to =93Do we celeb=
rate our festivals on
correct days?=94.
=A0
Well, actually, both
i.e.,=
the fraud known as =93Vedic astrology=94 and =93our
celebrating all our fe=
stivals on wrong days=94 are inter-related.
Let me start with

=93Vedic a=
strology=94=A0 -=A0 as to why I call it a fraud!
There is hardly anyone

i=
n India ,
who does not want to know as to when his =93sade=96sati=94 will
s=
tart or end or as to which Dasha-antardasha he is running and when that wil=
l
end etc. etc.=A0even if he does not know ABC of jyotisha.=A0 I have gone
=
through all those pangs myself and made a thorough study of all the
astrolo=
gical works besides a lot of astronomical books!=A0 I studied Western
syste=
m of astrology also and had become a sort of famous astrologer, though my
p=
redictions were as correct as anybody else=92s i.e. hardly 50%.=A0
However,=
this is a secret that no =93jyotishi=94 shares with anybody --
that his/he=
r predictions are hardly more correct than fifty per cent, whatever
logic o=
r Ayanamsha he/she may use!=A0 When I analyzed the reasons for such a
disma=
l rate of success, the conclusions were startling!=A0 And I am keeping
thos=
e very conclusions before you!
=A0
Before proceeding
further, I must, =
however, say something about myself since you are well within
your rights t=
o ask me as to what =93qualifications=94 I have to
demolish=A0 astrology th=
at is being practised over the last several
centuries, nay even millennia! =
=A0
My
credentials Though I am not laying any claims
to being a schola=
r, however, I have actually studied all the four Vedas in
original =93archa=
ic=94 Sanskrit with their different
=93Bhashyas=94, besides the various Bra=
hmanas=A0 like Shatapatha,
Aitreya, Tatiriya etc. etc. I have studied, (in =
original Sanskrit!) about two
hundred all the important Upanishads as well!=
I have also gone through both the
epics viz. the Valmiki Ramayana and the =
Mahabharata --- in=A0 Sanskrit and
from cover to cover, besides Adhyatma Ra=
mayana, Ramacharitamanasa etc. etc.!
There is hardly any Purana whether the=
Bhagavata, Shivapurana, Vishnu, Narada,
Devi, Varaha, Matsya and Vishnudha=
rmotara etc. etc. that I have not gone
through in original Sanskrit. I have=
also studied exhaustively all the ancient
astronomical works like the Veda=
nga Jyotisha, Panchasidhantika, Surya Sidhanta,
Arya Bhati, Sidhanta Shirom=
ani etc. etc. To crown it all, I was not a born
renegade against the establ=
ished traditions.=A0 On the other hand, I was
initially =93hypnotized=94 by=
=93Vedic astrology=94 and
=93panchangas=94 myself and there is hardly any =
=93text-book=94
of astrology either in Sanskrit or Urdu or English or Hindi=
that I have not
studied with due reverence, as if I was studying the Vedas=
!
=A0
Having established my
credentials thus, I CAN DECLARE IT WITHOU=
T ANY HESITATION AND WITH ALL
THE EMPHASIS AT MY COMMAND, =A0THAT THERE IS=
ABSOLUTELY NO PREDICTIVE
ASTROLOGY IN ANY OF THE VEDAS, UPANISHADAS OR BRA=
HMANAS. There are, however,
some references to some odd types of prediction=
s in some of the Puranas and the
epics and therefore calling it as really a=
post-Vedic astrology is more
correct.=A0 There is a rider there also, and =
that is that according to these
scriptures, Makara Sankranti i.e. Pongal is=
nothing but a synonym of Uttarayana
(the shortest day of the year) i.e. Wi=
nter Solstice and as everybody knows, it
can take place these days only on =
or around December 21 every year.=A0 Thus
the Uttarayana-cum- Makar Sankran=
ti that we are celebrating now-a-days on
January 14 is absolutely wrong and=
does not have any authority from any shastra
or even modern astronomy.=A0 =
Similarly, the Vaishakhi that is being
celebrated on April 14 or so also is=
wrong since Mesha Sankranti is nothing but
Vishuva (Vernal Equinox) or Vas=
ant Sampat and it cannot take place on any
=A0day other than March 21/22, w=
hen the day and night are equal. Actually
these Makara etc. sankrantis were=
known as Tapah etc. months during the Vedic
period as there are no rashis =
in the Vedas but just six seasons and Madhu,
Madhava etc. twelve months.=A0=
As such, we are celebrating all our fasts,
fairs and muhurtas on wrong day=
s=A0 -- thanks to =93Vedic
astrologers=94=A0 and their =93Vedic astrology=
=94.
=A0
=A0The first and

foremost thing I learnt from our shastras i=
s that no system of predictions has
any sanction=A0 either from the Vedas=
=A0 or even Puranas least of all our
dharmashastras etc.=A0since all our sh=
astras admonish us from consulting
=93nakshatra jeevis=94 so much so that t=
he Manusmriti calls these
nakshatrasoochis as outcastes and not fit to sit =
in any sabha of learned
people.
Those
who can foresee our future do not r=
eveal it to us beforehand:
All the Ramayanas,

whether Valmiki or Adhyatma=
or Ramacharitamanasa etc. etc. say that before
deciding about the coronati=
on of Bhagwan Rama, Dashratha wanted his guru
Vasishtha to confirm the suit=
able muhurta for that function.=A0 It was on
the advice of =A0Vasishtha Mun=
i that Dasharatha decided to anoint Rama as
the Yuvraja the very next day, =
as it was =93Tishya=94 =A0i.e. Pushya
nakshata then.=A0 From this anecdote,=
it is clear that either Vasishtha Muni
did not know as to what was going t=
o happen to Dasharatha by declaring Bhagwan
Rama as a crown-prince or Vasis=
htha kept quiet deliberately since he did not
want to interfere in the divi=
ne dispensation!
=A0
Obviously, being the son

of Brahmaji and a highly=
exalted yogi as well as a jnyani, Vasishtha-muni could
peep into past as w=
ell as future.=A0 It means that even if some exalted
souls can foresee as t=
o what is going to happen, they do not reveal our
=93bhavishya=94 before ha=
nd, unlike some of the astrologers of today,
who masquerade as =93Parashara=
s=94 and =93Vamadevas=94 to tell
us even our past and future janmas just by=
glancing at our birth-charts, even
if those charts are wrong!
=A0
The=
Gita is said to be
the gist of all our shastras.=A0 When Arjuna expressed =
his doubt by saying naitadvidmah katarnno gareeyo, yadva jayema yadi va
no =
jayeyuh =93I do not know what is good for me nor do I know
whether we will =
win or the Kauravas will win the war=94, Bhagwan Krishna
neither asked him =
to consult some soothsayer nor did He tell him to wear some
ruby!=A0 He jus=
t advised Arjuna =94hato
va prapsyasi swargam jitva va bokshyase maheem=94=
=A0 i.e.
=93You must fight.=A0 If you get killed in the war, you will go to=
the
heavens and if you win it you will be the lord of the whole world=94. =
Thus all it boils down

to is the fact that those who know (including Lord=
Krishna Himself!) as to what
is going to happen and when do not divulge su=
ch =93secrets=94 before
hand to us.
=A0
Remedial
measures are a farce:=
Almost all the
jyotishis suggest one or the other remedial measure to thei=
r clients, and
mostly these are gems like diamond or ruby or sapphire etc. =
etc.=A0 What is
surprising is that we have become so obsessed with Jyotish =
that we forget the
entire itihasa of our past!
(i)=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0If
these=
gems are that efficacious, why was then Dasharatha not suggested some
=93r=
uby=94 or =93coral=94 to ward off the evil Dasha that was
going to kill him=
when Rama would leave for the forests?=A0 Well, because
our Rishis did not=
believe in such gimmicks at all!
(ii) Bhagwan Krishna was

born in a pris=
on=A0 ---=A0=A0 I wonder why He could not use some=A0=A0=A0
=93sapphire=94 =
to be born in a palace!
=A0(iii)
Vasudeva and Devaki---the parents of Bha=
gwan Krishna--- were in chains when He
was born! It is said that Lord Krish=
na was a complete =96 16 kala sampoorna=A0 --- divine
incarnation of Vishnu=
and was thus really Omnipotent, Omnipresent and
Omniscient!=A0 But in spit=
e of His Omniscience, Omnipotence and
Omnipresence, Lord Krishna could not =
relieve the miseries of his parents,
Vasudeva and Devaki, who had to remain=
in chains till Krishna
killed Kansa!
What does it demonstrate?=A0

Just =
the fact that if the Omniscient, Omnipresent and Omnipotent Krishna could
n=
ot relieve the miseries of His own father or mother before the appointed ti=
me,
how can a ruby or a sapphire---or some Mangala or Shani yagya--- remove=
all our
miseries or fulfil all our ambitions?=A0 Obviously, we are being t=
aken for a
ride by such Jyotishis!
iv)
Then not in the distant past, Smti=
Indira Gandhi would run after astrologers
for knowing her future.=A0 She w=
ore a rare and original ekamukhi rudraksha, which only either the
Maharaja =
of Nepal had or she was wearing!=A0 It is said that some top-notch
jyotishi=
s had suggested that rudraksha to her!=A0 Ironically, both the King
of Nepa=
l as well Mrs. Indira Gandhi were assassinated =93by the
people=94 they =93=
had trusted=94----ekamukhi rudraksha not withstanding!=A0What does it
prove=
?=A0 That we should not be hoodwinked by soothsayers!
v) Then again a wel=

l
known Tantrik of yore---highly respected by the then PM--- is out on bail=
, not
by dint of his =93Tantra-Kriya=94 but because of some legal loopholes=
in FERA!
Similarly, Dhirendra Brahmachari, another high profile =93Tantri=
k=94,
met with an accident in the plane he was flying himself!=A0 If he cou=
ld not
see his own death looming large how could he forewarn others!
Wh=
at does that prove?=A0 Obviously, it warns us against relying on any
sooths=
ayers, especially if they call themselves =93Vedic Jyotishis=94
since they =
are taking us for a ride literally.=A0
Kalasarpa
Dosha=A0 -- a non-existe=
nt fear psychosis: These
days we hear a lot about Kalasarpa Dosha!=A0 It is=
said to be present in any
horoscope if all the planets are between Rahu an=
d Ketu!=A0 My God!=A0
What a humbug!=A0 Rahu and Ketu are actually nodes of=
the Moon!=A0 That
means they are just mathematical points without any dime=
nsions ---therefore
without any physical existence whatsoever!=A0 So accord=
ing to =93Vedic
astrologers=94 even such =93non-existent=94 phenomena can m=
ake our
lives miserable for which we must do some upay!=A0
Do you need any =
other proofs for the jugglery that these cheats are indulging
in?
THE ONL=
Y EFFECTIVE
REMEDY, or UPAY, THEREFORE, IS
THAT WE MUST REMEMBER HIM, THE A=
LMIGHTY, EVERY MOMENT OF OUR LIVES AND LEAVE EVERY THING TO HIS DIVINE WILL=
!.=A0
=A0
Fake
Brighu Samhitas and Parasharis:
We find a Brighu Sam=

hita
or a nadi Jyotishi or Aruna Samhita etc. in every Muhalla these days!=
=A0
However, there is no mention in any of the Puranas or shastras that any=
Rishi
like Vasishtha or Garga or Brighu etc. have ever written=A0any books=
on
predictive astrology.=A0 The Vishnu Purana by Parashara is=A0 full of
a=
stronomical references ---and that also sayana i.e. the seasonal year when
=
Mesha sankranti is another name of Spring Equinox and so on, but we do not =
find
any mention of any Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra there!=A0 Obviously, =
it is
the worst concoction that can ever be had, and may be that is why suc=
h a
Parashari is the bible of =93Vedic astrologers=94
India has gone do=

wnhill because of astrology and
astrologers: In India ,
we have started goi=
ng downhill ever since our rulers started running after
Jyotishis.=A0 In an=
cient days, during the time of the Mahabharata, it was a
dharma yudha that =
we had to fight against our own Duryodhanas but ever since
the advent of as=
trology almost simultaneously with the invasion of Alexander
the Great, and=
then the =93Yavana Jatakam=94 of Sphujidwaja and the
Surya Sidhanta of May=
a the Yavana (mlechha!),=A0 we had to fight
outsiders!=A0 The more the fore=
igners invaded us the more our rulers,
instead of making a united effort ag=
ainst the invaders, started consulting
soothsayers whom they called Rajajyo=
tishis!=A0
=A0
Varahamihira
the worst culprit:
The maximum credit fo=

r
creating such a fear psychosis of omens and ghosts and ghouls and
storms=
=A0=A0 and even clouds goes to Varahamihira of 5th century AD
through his B=
rihat Samita and Brihat Jatakam and Panchasidhantika!=A0 Before
venturing i=
nto the battlefield, our monarchs would ask their soothsayers to
prepare =
=93narpati jaya charya=94
and consult Brihat Samhita etc. to see whether th=
e =93ketuchara=94 was
favourable at that time or not!=A0 No wonder with suc=
h a preliminary and
hopeless knowledge of astronomical facts, we were being=
pushed back into dark
ages by Varahamihira and his followers!
=A0
Our=
historical records
are witness to the fact that we were =A0=A0vanquished i=
n every
battle,=A0whether it was with Alexander the Great or Muhamud of Gaz=
ni or
Chengiz Khan or Nadir Shah or the Moguls=A0 or finally the East India=
Company, thanks to the dependence of our monarchs on soothsayers

(Rajajyot=
ishis, huh!) instead of the principles of war strategy and statecraft
as ad=
umbrated by the Vedas, the Manu and even Chanakya, who chided kings for
con=
sulting soothsayers!
BJP the latest example:
The fate of the BJP has

=
not been any better than that of our earlier monarchs by depending more on
=
their =93Vedic Jyotishis=94 who were responsible for getting
=93Vedic Jyoti=
sha (sic!)=94 prescribed in Indian Universities!=A0 It
is that very move th=
at boomeranged on the party and even the =93Minister of
astrology=94 did no=
t win his own parliamentary seat from Allahabad , let alone being the Union=
Minister
again. Do you need any other proofs of the fact that these =93Ved=
ic
Jyotishis=94=A0 will make you lose your seat of power well before the
ap=
pointed day just by making you advance your elections?
=A0
=A0If we con=
tinue to
follow the trend of our =93monarchs=94 of having blind faith in
ou=
r=A0soothsayers, then =A0sooner than later we will become Babylon of yester=
years, which is known as Iraq
today!
=A0
Kashmiri
Pandits were the wo=
rst affected by their blind faith in Jyotishis:
=A0Another reason for

my =
revolt against the so called =93Vedic astrology=94 is that as a
Kashmiri Pa=
ndit, I have more to =A0blame panchanga makers and soothsayers
and their pr=
edictive gimmicks than anything or anybody else since they never
forewarned=
us about any calamities that were going to befall us!=A0 On the
other hand=
, just to prove their astrological gimmicks, they just made ---and
are stil=
l making --- us celebrate all our festivals, including Mahashivaratri,
Vasa=
nti Navratras, Ramanavami, Janmashtami and Sharadiya navratras etc. on
wron=
g days. It is these very jyotishis, whom we had treated as our friends,
phi=
losophers and guides, who are responsible for our downfall as Kahsmiri
Pand=
its, since they proved neither our friends, nor philosophers least of all
o=
ur guides!=A0 These Panchanga makers/jyotishis were the first to flee from
=
Kashmir=A0 in 1990--- like the king Hari Singh at the time of Pakistani rai=
d
in 1948--- since they had already made their alternate homes in safer pla=
ces
like=A0 Jammu and Delhi .=A0=A0 Those Jyotishis just
proved to be Shylo=
cks, who were only interested in their Pound of flesh by way
of Dakshinas f=
or janmapatris and matching of horoscopes=A0 -- all cheating
and nothing el=
se!
=A0
These
soothsayers have such a hypnotic grip on us that initial=
ly even I was brain
washed to believe that the Vedas had nothing else to do=
excepting teaching us
predictive astrology!=A0 I was so convinced that it =
appeared that even the
principle of Secondary Progressions must have been e=
xported from India
to Western countries as the principle of =93A day equal=
s a year=94 was
mentioned in our Vedas!=A0 But thank God, I woke up to the =
situation and
could see through their tricks.
There
are no Mesha, Vrisha =
=A0etc. Rashis in the Vedas:=A0
=A0Leave alone
predictive gimmicks, actu=
ally there are neither rashis like Mesha, Vrisha etc.
nor planets like Mang=
al, Shani etc. in the=A0 Vedas, Upanishads, Brahmanas
etc. Similarly, the V=
edanga Jyotisha, the first indigenous astronomical work of
14th century BCE=
, just
tells us only as to how to calculate tithi, nakshatra and
Uttarayan=
a-cum- Tapah-cum Magha etc. months.=A0 It does not list any Mesha
etc. rash=
is nor any planets like Mangal, Budha etc.=A0 Same is the case with
Yajur J=
yotisha of about 11th century BCE
and later Atharva Jyotisha of about 5th =
century BCE , which does not have any Rashis though it talks
of planets.=A0=
As such, it is=A0really a fraud on the Vedas being played
by some charlata=
ns to call any predictive gimmicks as Vedic astrology and hail
themselves a=
s =93Vedic Jyotishis=94. It is a crime under =93The
Consumer Protection Act=
=94 as it is a misrepresentation of facts to a
client and is thus a deficie=
ncy in service.=A0
=A0
Our
predictions in the past also could never h=
ave been correct:
=A0It is said that

over the past about 2000 years, our =
ancestors like Varahamihira or his son
Prithuyashas etc., could make marvel=
lously correct predictions. THAT IS NOTHING
BUT HOGWASH! Let us see how: pr=
ior to the advent of scientific astronomy into India ,
i.e. about a couple =
of centuries back, panchangas were based on astronomical
works like the Sur=
ya Sidhanta or Aryabhati or Sidhanta Shirmoani etc.
etc.=A0 I have prepared=
a software called =93Mahesh=94.=A0 It
calculates, apart from the actual ti=
thi, nakshatra, yoga, karna etc., the mean
longitudes of all the planets fr=
om 10000 BCE
to 12030 AD i.e. for more than 22,000 years as per the Surya =
Sidhanta,
Aryabhati or Sidhanta Shiromani etc. besides comparing them with =
the longitudes
as per modern astronomy. Anybody can download it freely from=
my discussion
forum
=A0http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HinduCalen dar
=
Unfortunately for these
jyotishis, we find that the very fundamental argume=
nts of these sidahntas like
the Surya Sidhanta, the Aryabhati, the Sidhanta=
Shiromani etc. etc. are
absolutely wrong!=A0 .=A0
That naturally means

=
that any panchanga based on them would also be wrong, with the result that =
any
horoscope prepared on the basis of those panchangas could never be corr=
ect.
Thus it is impossible for any astrological predictions to have been co=
rrect in
the past!=A0 As such, it is all like the famous couplet of Ghalib =
=A0=93yoon to hai=A0 hamko janat ki haqeeqat
maloom lekin; dil ke bahlane k=
o Ghalib yeh khayal achha hai=94
=A0
Astrology
cannot be a science Pre=
dictive astrology is
supposed to be a =93science=94!=A0 What a preposterous=
statement!
When the data on which predictions were based or are based thes=
e days are not
correct, how can the results be correct and how can we call =
it a science at
all?
=A0
Stars
do not affect us:
=A0It is said that=
stars affect us!=A0 It appears either these astrologers have gone honkers
=
themselves or they suppose that the whole world has really gone mad!=A0 Let=
us see how:
I am a puny human being on this small planet called earth.=A0=

The sun is
hundreds of thousands of times larger than the earth! And there=
are other stars
of our nakshatra/rashichak ra that are supposed to affect =
me individually as per
the Dasha-Bhukti that is running in my horoscope! Ho=
wever, this fantastic
statement has no leg to stand upon since the nearest =
star of that Rashichakra
is Shravana! And do you know its distance from me?=
It is seventeen light
years!=A0 And it is several times larger than our su=
n!=A0 In other words,
if that star wants i.e. Shravana wants to =93affect=
=94 me individually,
it will take it at least seventeen years to do so even=
if that
=93effect=94 travels at the speed of light!=A0 And by then, my Rah=
u
or Shani or whatever Dasha it may be must have been over! Then how can su=
ch a
star which is trillions of times larger than me send its rays in a con=
centrated
form just to haunt me at a particular point of time!=A0 Can you i=
magine what
type of laughing stocks we are making of ourselves=A0 by believ=
ing in such
hocus pocus!
Similarly, the next nearest star of our Rashichak=

ra is Swati !=A0 It is away
by 26 light years from me
and is again sever=

al
times larger than our sun!!
It thus defies
imagination as to how we ca=
n call astrology a science or how it can be said
that the =93Stars affect u=
s=94.
=A0
Patri
Melapak (Horoscope Matching) is not warranted by shast=
ras nor =A0astrology
books:
=A0Now coming to the

fad called Patri Melapak=
=A0 i.e. horoscope matching!=A0 This fad is the
rage of the day! You will b=
e surprised to know that none of our shastras,
whether the Manusmriti or th=
e Ramayana or the Mahabharata, leave alone the
Vedas, have anything to do w=
ith Patri Melapak even by mistake!=A0 We do not
find any instances that any=
Vedic Rishi was addicted to such a fad, since may
be then most of them wou=
ld still have been looking for a =93suitable
Patri=94 for melapak! Not to s=
peak of Dharma shastras, there is no mention
of this type of a malady in an=
y of the astrology books like the so called
Parashari, or Mansagari or Phal=
a Deepika or Jataka Parijata or any other
work!=A0 It appears to be a creat=
ion of the jyotishis of over the last
=A0one hundred years or so. Aleberuni=
, who visited India in 1030 AD and =A0recorded quite
faithfully all his exp=
eriences about Jyotisha and other things in India
also has not mentioned a=
nything of any =93Melapak=94 in his work!
=93All
India
Calendar Reform =
Committee=94:
Summing up, as we have

just seen, not only are we subjected=
to non-existent fear psychosis like
Kalasarpa Dosha and Patri Melapak etc.=
but we are compelled to celebrate all
our festivals on worng days.=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0There are quite
a few people who agree with my point of view th=
at these days we are celebrating
Pitra Amavasya on the day of Dipavali and =
marriages during Pitra-Paksha!=A0
Similarly, we never celebrate Makar Sankr=
anti on correct days i.e. December
21/22 but we celebrate it on January 14.=
=A0 We also celebrate Vaishakhi on
April 14 instead of the day of Spring Eq=
uinox i.e., March 21 or so.=A0 This
has been all because of the so called =
=93Vedic astrology=94
To put our festivals

back on the right track, I mad=
e quite a few representations to the
Hon=92ble President of India, the Prim=
e Minister of India, various ministries
besides the Positional Astronomy Ce=
ntre at Calcutta , who publish our Rashtriya
Panchanga.=A0 I also made simi=
lar representations to all the reverred
Shankaracharyas of all the six peet=
has,
besides other saints and Mahatmas, but sorry to say, there has been ab=
solutely
no response from any quarter!
We=A0 have now formed

an =93All In=
dia Calendar Reform Committee=94 and are enrolling members
for the same.=A0=
Those interested can log on to http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HinduCalen =
dar
=A0for entering into discussions regarding the same.=A0 You can also ge=
t
a list of correct dates of festivals for 2006 and 2007 from that forum. A=
s an
alternative, you can get in touch with me whenever you want to for any=
further
clarifications.
Thank you very much for

listening to this =93exh=
ortation=94 against =93Vedic
astrology=94 and the efforts I am making to st=
reamline our
calendars.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0
Om tat sat brahmarpanam astu
Avtar
Krishen Kaul
President
All In=
dia Calendar Reform Committee
H. No. 5, MIG , 00-A,
Sector-2, Avantika=
,
Rohini, Delhi-110085.
Email:jyotirved@ sify.com;
a_krishen@yahoo. com;
=
Tel. 011-2751 6483
=A0
=A0
=A0
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;">Mr Kaul<br><br>It is nice to see that you hav=
e a very exhaustive knowledge of vedas, upanishads and vast things that our=
rishis have left for us.Read your exhaustive lecture on vedic astrology wh=
ich you have written what you have felt. At least finally at the end of the=
mail you felt that god almighty is there even though we dont see him. =
; That was your belief and also the belief of the entire humanity whether d=
ead or alive. In the same way most of the Indians, why only Indians t=
he entire community feels that astrology do exists and we can predict our f=
uture may not be 100% but yes to some extent. If human beings are giv=
en the power to predict that we do not call ourselves as human beings we wo=
uld call our selves as gods. Hence god the almighty has not given us =
the power to forsee the future.<br><br><br>But please understand that there=
are great souls on this earth like Pandit Sanjay Rath, Shri PVR Narsimha =
rao their disciples who have understood the subject in depth. The par=
ampara has not come to them just like that it is there from their forefathe=
rs and it has come up to them.<br><br>Everybody has the right not to believ=
e things but please note that no human being has got the right to degrade t=
his science.<br><br>You said there is no Sade Sathi, I know what Sade Sathi=
is because I have through it and those tortorous 7 years. It is not =
that I am a dumb person and will take whatever comes to me , I am a very ha=
rd working person but still the situation has arisen for me without my cont=
rol and myself and soul has gone through those torterous years.<br><br>I kn=
ow you would be a very learned person and if that is the case kindly keep y=
our comments for your self and please do not hurt the feelings of those peo=
ple who believe in destiny and people who would like to learn
astrology<br=
><br>With Regards<br><br><br><br><br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 9/23/08, jyotirved =
<i><jyotirved@...></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"border=
-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">Fr=
om: jyotirved <jyotirved@...><br>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] "Vedic =
astrology" - the greatest fraud on the Vedas!<br>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogro=
ups.com<br>Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 5:51 PM<br><br><div id=3D"yiv=
2038153611">
<div id=3D"ygrp-text">
<p>
</p><div =
class=3D"Section1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy"=
face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: =
navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" =

color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<h2 style=3D"text-align: j=
ustify;"><b><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt=
; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB">Respected Sirs,</span></font></b></=
h2>
<h2 style=3D"text-align: justify;"><b><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdan=

a"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB">&nb=
sp;
=
; =93Vedic
astrology=
=94 =96 the greatest fraud on the Vedas</span></font></b></h2>
<h2 style=
=3D"text-align: justify;"><b><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=
=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB">Namaskar!</span><=
/font></b></h2>
<h2 style=3D"text-align: justify;"><b><font size=3D"1" fa=

ce=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=
=3D"EN-GB">The following speech was delivered
in September 2006 at Rotary C=
lub, West Delhi . The
same talk appeared later as an article in the souveni=
r of the seminar on
=93Vedic astronomy & Cosmology=94=97December 2006. =
I am sure
you will find it interesting.</span></font></b></h2>
<h2 style=
=3D"text-align: justify;"><b><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=
=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB">Regards,</span></=
font></b></h2>
<h2 style=3D"text-align: justify;"><b><font size=3D"1" fac=

e=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D=
"EN-GB">A K Kaul</span></font></b></h2>
<h2 style=3D"text-align: justify;=

"><b><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-=
family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> =
&nb=
sp;
=
; </span></font></b></h2>
<h2 style=3D"text-align: justify;">=

<b><i><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font=
-family: Verdana; font-weight: normal; font-style: italic;" lang=3D"EN-GB">=
Om</span></font></i></b><i><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D=
"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: normal; font-style: ita=
lic;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> tat sat brahmarpanamastu!</span></font></i></h2=
>
<h2><b><i><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9=

pt; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: normal; font-style: italic;" lang=3D=
"EN-GB">Om Brahmanandam Parama sukhadam kevalam gyan moortim,
dwandvateetam=
gagana sadrisham tat-tvam asyadi lakshyam
&n=
bsp; =
; &n=
bsp;
ekam nityam vimalam achalamsarva dhee sakshi bhootam, bhavateeta=
m triguna
rahitam shree gurum tam namami </span></font></i></b></h2>
<h2 =
style=3D"text-align: justify;"><b><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Times New Roman"=
><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt;" lang=3D"EN-GB">"Vedic
Astrology" - the gre=
atest fraud on the Vedas!</span></font></b></h2>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"text-align: justify;"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=
=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB">Dear friends. Goo=
d
evening to everybody!</span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D=

"text-align: justify;"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB">I feel highly honoured
t=
o have been invited by Shri Ajay Bhasin for sharing my views about astrolog=
y
and related topics with respected personalities assembled here. As =
most
of us already know, we call these predictive gimmicks as =93Vedic
astr=
ology=94 these days. </span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal=
" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> </span>=
</font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><font s=

ize=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verd=
ana;" lang=3D"EN-GB">When I was asked by Shri
Bhasin about the heading of m=
y talk, I had thought of making it as =93Vedic
Astrology =96 the greatest f=
raud on the Vedas=94. On second
thoughts, fearing that it would be to=
o explosive a heading, I made it a sugar
coated bitter pill by changing it =
to =93Do we celebrate our festivals on
correct days?=94.</span></font></p> =
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><font size=3D"1" fa=
ce=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=
=3D"EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text=

-align: justify;"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB">Well, actually, both
i.e., th=
e fraud known as =93Vedic astrology=94 and =93our
celebrating all our festi=
vals on wrong days=94 are inter-related. </span></font></p>
<p class=3D"M=
soNormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana">=
<span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB">Let me=
start with
=93Vedic astrology=94 - as to why I call it a fraud=
!</span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"=

><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-fami=
ly: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB">There is hardly anyone
in India ,
who does not=
want to know as to when his =93sade=96sati=94 will
start or end or as to w=
hich Dasha-antardasha he is running and when that will
end etc. etc. e=
ven if he does not know ABC of jyotisha. I have gone
through all thos=
e pangs myself and made a thorough study of all the
astrological works besi=
des a lot of astronomical books! I studied Western
system of astrolog=
y also and had become a sort of famous astrologer, though my
predictions we=
re as correct as anybody else=92s i.e. hardly 50%.
However, this is a=
secret that no =93jyotishi=94 shares with anybody --
that his/her predicti=
ons are hardly more correct than fifty per cent, whatever
logic or Ayanamsh=
a he/she may use! When I analyzed the reasons for such a
dismal rate =
of success, the conclusions were startling! And I am keeping
those ve=
ry conclusions before you!</span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=

=3D"text-align: justify;"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"=
font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> </span></font>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><font size=3D"=

1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" l=
ang=3D"EN-GB">Before proceeding
further, I must, however, say something abo=
ut myself since you are well within
your rights to ask me as to what =93qua=
lifications=94 I have to
demolish astrology that is being practised o=
ver the last several
centuries, nay even millennia!</span></font></p>
<p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><b><font size=3D"1" face=
=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana; font-weig=
ht: bold;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> </span></font></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><b><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><=
span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold;" lan=
g=3D"EN-GB">My
credentials </span></font></b><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verda=
na"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB">Th=
ough I am not laying any claims
to being a scholar, however, I have actuall=
y studied all the four Vedas in
original =93archaic=94 Sanskrit with their =
different
=93Bhashyas=94, besides the various Brahmanas like Shatapat=
ha,
Aitreya, Tatiriya etc. etc. I have studied, (in original Sanskrit!) abo=
ut two
hundred all the important Upanishads as well! I have also gone throu=
gh both the
epics viz. the Valmiki Ramayana and the Mahabharata --- in =
; Sanskrit and
from cover to cover, besides Adhyatma Ramayana, Ramacharitam=
anasa etc. etc.!
There is hardly any Purana whether the Bhagavata, Shivapur=
ana, Vishnu, Narada,
Devi, Varaha, Matsya and Vishnudharmotara etc. etc. th=
at I have not gone
through in original Sanskrit. I have also studied exhaus=
tively all the ancient
astronomical works like the Vedanga Jyotisha, Pancha=
sidhantika, Surya Sidhanta,
Arya Bhati, Sidhanta Shiromani etc. etc. To cro=
wn it all, I was not a born
renegade against the established traditions.&nb=
sp; On the other hand, I was
initially =93hypnotized=94 by =93Vedic astrolo=
gy=94 and
=93panchangas=94 myself and there is hardly any =93text-book=94
o=
f astrology either in Sanskrit or Urdu or English or Hindi that I have not
=
studied with due reverence, as if I was studying the Vedas! <b><span style=
=3D"font-weight: bold;"></span></b></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> </spa=
n></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><font=

size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Ve=
rdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB">Having established my
credentials thus, I CAN DECLAR=
E IT WITHOUT ANY HESITATION AND WITH ALL
THE EMPHASIS AT MY COMMAND, =
;THAT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PREDICTIVE
ASTROLOGY IN ANY OF THE VEDAS, UPAN=
ISHADAS OR BRAHMANAS. There are, however,
some references to some odd types=
of predictions in some of the Puranas and the
epics and therefore calling =
it as really a post-Vedic astrology is more
correct. There is a rider=
there also, and that is that according to these
scriptures, Makara Sankran=
ti i.e. Pongal is nothing but a synonym of Uttarayana
(the shortest day of =
the year) i.e. Winter Solstice and as everybody knows, it
can take place th=
ese days only on or around December 21 every year. Thus
the Uttarayan=
a-cum- Makar Sankranti that we are celebrating now-a-days on
January 14 is =
absolutely wrong and does not have any authority from any shastra
or even m=
odern astronomy. Similarly, the Vaishakhi that is being
celebrated on=
April 14 or so also is wrong since Mesha Sankranti is nothing but
Vishuva =
(Vernal Equinox) or Vasant Sampat and it cannot take place on any
day=
other than March 21/22, when the day and night are equal. Actually
these M=
akara etc. sankrantis were known as Tapah etc. months during the Vedic
peri=
od as there are no rashis in the Vedas but just six seasons and Madhu,
Madh=
ava etc. twelve months. As such, we are celebrating all our fasts,
fa=
irs and muhurtas on wrong days -- thanks to =93Vedic
astrologers=94&n=
bsp; and their =93Vedic astrology=94. </span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> </=
span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><f=

ont size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family:=
Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> The first and
foremost thing I learnt from =
our shastras is that no system of predictions has
any sanction either=
from the Vedas or even Puranas least of all our
dharmashastras etc.&=
nbsp;since all our shastras admonish us from consulting
=93nakshatra jeevis=
=94 so much so that the Manusmriti calls these
nakshatrasoochis as outcaste=
s and not fit to sit in any sabha of learned
people.</span></font></p>
<p=
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><b><font size=3D"1" fac=
e=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana; font-wei=
ght: bold;" lang=3D"EN-GB">Those
who can foresee our future do not reveal i=
t to us beforehand:</span></font></b><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB"></span></f=
ont></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><font size=

=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana=
;" lang=3D"EN-GB">All the Ramayanas,
whether Valmiki or Adhyatma or Ramacha=
ritamanasa etc. etc. say that before
deciding about the coronation of Bhagw=
an Rama, Dashratha wanted his guru
Vasishtha to confirm the suitable muhurt=
a for that function. It was on
the advice of Vasishtha Muni tha=
t Dasharatha decided to anoint Rama as
the Yuvraja the very next day, as it=
was =93Tishya=94 i.e. Pushya
nakshata then. From this anecdote=
, it is clear that either Vasishtha Muni
did not know as to what was going =
to happen to Dasharatha by declaring Bhagwan
Rama as a crown-prince or Vasi=
shtha kept quiet deliberately since he did not
want to interfere in the div=
ine dispensation!</span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-=

align: justify;"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size=
: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
<p=
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><font size=3D"1" face=
=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"=
EN-GB">Obviously, being the son
of Brahmaji and a highly exalted yogi as we=
ll as a jnyani, Vasishtha-muni could
peep into past as well as future. =
; It means that even if some exalted
souls can foresee as to what is going =
to happen, they do not reveal our
=93bhavishya=94 before hand, unlike some =
of the astrologers of today,
who masquerade as =93Parasharas=94 and =93Vama=
devas=94 to tell
us even our past and future janmas just by glancing at our=
birth-charts, even
if those charts are wrong!</span></font></p>
<p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verd=
ana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> =
</span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: just=

ify;"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font=
-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB">The Gita is said to be
the gist of all ou=
r shastras. When Arjuna expressed his doubt by saying <i><span style=
=3D"font-style: italic;">naitadvidmah katarnno gareeyo, yadva jayema yadi v=
a
no jayeyuh</span></i> =93I do not know what is good for me nor do I know
=
whether we will win or the Kauravas will win the war=94, Bhagwan Krishna
ne=
ither asked him to consult some soothsayer nor did He tell him to wear some=
ruby! He just advised Arjuna =94<i><span style=3D"font-style: italic=

;">hato
va prapsyasi swargam jitva va bokshyase maheem</span></i>=94 =
i.e.
=93You must fight. If you get killed in the war, you will go to =
the
heavens and if you win it you will be the lord of the whole world=94.</=
span></font></p>

Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB">Thus all it boils down
to is the fact that those =
who know (including Lord Krishna Himself!) as to what
is going to happen an=
d when do not divulge such =93secrets=94 before
hand to us.</span></font></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><font size=3D"1"=

face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lan=
g=3D"EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"tex=

t-align: justify;"><b><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font=
-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold;" lang=3D"EN-GB">Remedi=
al
measures are a farce:</span></font></b><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"=
><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> Almo=
st all the
jyotishis suggest one or the other remedial measure to their cli=
ents, and
mostly these are gems like diamond or ruby or sapphire etc. etc.&=
nbsp; What is
surprising is that we have become so obsessed with Jyotish th=
at we forget the
entire itihasa of our past!</span></font></p>
<p class=
ana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB">(=
i) If
these gems are that efficacious, why was=
then Dasharatha not suggested some
=93ruby=94 or =93coral=94 to ward off t=
he evil Dasha that was
going to kill him when Rama would leave for the fore=
sts? Well, because
our Rishis did not believe in such gimmicks at all=
!</span></font></p>

><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-fami=
ly: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB">(ii) Bhagwan Krishna was
born in a prison =
; --- I wonder why He could not use some
=93s=
apphire=94 to be born in a palace!</span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> (iii)
V=
asudeva and Devaki---the parents of Bhagwan Krishna--- were in chains when =
He
was born! It is said that Lord Krishna was a complete =96 <i><span style=
=3D"font-style: italic;">16 kala sampoorna</span></i> --- divine
inca=
rnation of Vishnu and was thus really Omnipotent, Omnipresent and
Omniscien=
t! But in spite of His Omniscience, Omnipotence and
Omnipresence, Lor=
d Krishna could not relieve the miseries of his parents,
Vasudeva and Devak=
i, who had to remain in chains till Krishna
killed Kansa!</span></font></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D=

"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB">What does it demonst=
rate?
Just the fact that if the Omniscient, Omnipresent and Omnipoten=
t Krishna could
not relieve the miseries of His own father or mother before=
the appointed time,
how can a ruby or a sapphire---or some Mangala or Shan=
i yagya--- remove all our
miseries or fulfil all our ambitions? Obvio=
usly, we are being taken for a
ride by such Jyotishis!</span></font></p>
=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><font size=3D"1" face=
EN-GB">iv)
Then not in the distant past, Smti Indira Gandhi would run after=
astrologers
for knowing her future. She wore a rare and original <i>=
<span style=3D"font-style: italic;">ekamukhi rudraksha</span></i>, which on=
ly either the
Maharaja of Nepal had or she was wearing! It is said th=
at some top-notch
jyotishis had suggested that rudraksha to her! Iron=
ically, both the King
of Nepal as well Mrs. Indira Gandhi were assassinated=
=93by the
people=94 they =93had trusted=94----<i><span style=3D"font-style=
: italic;">ekamukhi rudraksha </span></i>not withstanding! What does i=
t
prove? That we should not be hoodwinked by soothsayers!</span></fon=
t></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><font size=

;" lang=3D"EN-GB">v) Then again a well
known Tantrik of yore---highly respe=
cted by the then PM--- is out on bail, not
by dint of his =93Tantra-Kriya=
=94 but because of some legal loopholes
in FERA!<br>
Similarly, Dhirendra B=
rahmachari, another high profile =93Tantrik=94,
met with an accident in the=
plane he was flying himself! If he could not
see his own death loomi=
ng large how could he forewarn others!</span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoN=
an style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB"><br>
What=
does that prove? Obviously, it warns us against relying on any
sooth=
sayers, especially if they call themselves =93Vedic Jyotishis=94
since they=
are taking us for a ride literally. </span></font></p>
<p class=3D"=
MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><b><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verda=
na"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold;=
" lang=3D"EN-GB">Kalasarpa
Dosha -- a non-existent fear psychosis: </=
span></font></b><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB">These
days we hear a lot about =
Kalasarpa Dosha! It is said to be present in any
horoscope if all the=
planets are between Rahu and Ketu! My God!
What a humbug! =
; Rahu and Ketu are actually nodes of the Moon! That
means they are j=
ust mathematical points without any dimensions ---therefore
without any phy=
sical existence whatsoever! So according to =93Vedic
astrologers=94 e=
ven such =93non-existent=94 phenomena can make our
lives miserable for whic=
h we must do some <i><span style=3D"font-style: italic;">upay</span></i>!&n=
bsp;
Do you need any other proofs for the jugglery that these cheats are in=
dulging
in?<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;"></span></b></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><font size=3D"1=

" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">THE ONLY EFFECTIVE
REMEDY, or <i><span style=3D"font-style: it=
alic;">UPAY,</span></i> THEREFORE, IS
THAT WE MUST REMEMBER HIM, THE ALMIGH=
TY, EVERY MOMENT OF OUR LIVES AND LEAVE EVERY THING TO HIS DIVINE WILL!.&nb=
sp; </span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justif=

y;"><b><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; fon=
t-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> </span></font>=
</b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><b><font s=

ize=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verd=
ana; font-weight: bold;" lang=3D"EN-GB">Fake
Brighu Samhitas and Parasharis=
:</span></font></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justi=

fy;"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-=
family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB">We find a Brighu Samhita
or a nadi Jyotish=
i or Aruna Samhita etc. in every Muhalla these days!
However, there i=
s no mention in any of the Puranas or shastras that any Rishi
like Vasishth=
a or Garga or Brighu etc. have ever written any books on
predictive as=
trology. The Vishnu Purana by Parashara is full of
astronomical=
references ---and that also sayana i.e. the seasonal year when
Mesha sankr=
anti is another name of Spring Equinox and so on, but we do not find
any me=
ntion of any Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra there! Obviously, it is
th=
e worst concoction that can ever be had, and may be that is why such a
Para=
shari is the bible of =93Vedic astrologers=94</span></font></p>
<p class=
ana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB"><=
br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">India</span></b><b><span style=3D=
"font-weight: bold;"> has gone downhill because of astrology and
astrologer=
s:</span></b> In India ,
we have started going downhill ever since our rule=
rs started running after
Jyotishis. In ancient days, during the time =
of the Mahabharata, it was a
dharma yudha that we had to fight against our =
own Duryodhanas but ever since
the advent of astrology almost simultaneousl=
y with the invasion of Alexander
the Great, and then the =93Yavana Jatakam=
=94 of Sphujidwaja and the
Surya Sidhanta of Maya the Yavana (mlechha!),&nb=
sp; we had to fight
outsiders! The more the foreigners invaded us the=
more our rulers,
instead of making a united effort against the invaders, s=
tarted consulting
soothsayers whom they called Rajajyotishis! <b><span=
style=3D"font-weight: bold;"></span></b></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"M=
soNormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana">=
<span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> =
;</span></font></p>

><b><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-f=
amily: Verdana; font-weight: bold;" lang=3D"EN-GB">Varahamihira
the worst c=
ulprit:</span></font></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:=

justify;"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt;=
font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB">The maximum credit for
creating such=
a fear psychosis of omens and ghosts and ghouls and
storms and=
even clouds goes to Varahamihira of 5th century AD
through his Brihat Sami=
ta and Brihat Jatakam and Panchasidhantika! Before
venturing into the=
battlefield, our monarchs would ask their soothsayers to
prepare <i><span =
style=3D"font-style: italic;">=93narpati jaya charya=94</span></i>
and cons=
ult Brihat Samhita etc. to see whether the =93ketuchara=94 was
favourable a=
t that time or not! No wonder with such a preliminary and
hopeless kn=
owledge of astronomical facts, we were being pushed back into dark
ages by =
Varahamihira and his followers!</span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-align: justify;"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> </span></=
font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><font siz=

e=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdan=
a;" lang=3D"EN-GB">Our historical records
are witness to the fact that we w=
ere vanquished in every
battle, whether it was with Alexan=
der the Great or Muhamud of Gazni or
Chengiz Khan or Nadir Shah or the Mogu=
ls or finally the East India
Company, thanks to the dependence of our=
monarchs on soothsayers
(Rajajyotishis, huh!) instead of the principles of=
war strategy and statecraft
as adumbrated by the Vedas, the Manu and even =
Chanakya, who chided kings for
consulting soothsayers!</span></font></p>
=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><font size=3D"1" face=
EN-GB"><br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">BJP the latest example:</=
span></b></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: j=

ustify;"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; f=
ont-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB">The fate of the BJP has
not been any b=
etter than that of our earlier monarchs by depending more on
their =93Vedic=
Jyotishis=94 who were responsible for getting
=93Vedic Jyotisha (sic!)=94 =
prescribed in Indian Universities! It
is that very move that boomeran=
ged on the party and even the =93Minister of
astrology=94 did not win his o=
wn parliamentary seat from Allahabad , let alone being the Union Minister
a=
gain. Do you need any other proofs of the fact that these =93Vedic
Jyotishi=
s=94 will make you lose your seat of power well before the
appointed =
day just by making you advance your elections?</span></font></p>
<p class=
ana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB">&=
nbsp;</span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justi=

fy;"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-=
family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> If we continue to
follow the trend o=
f our =93monarchs=94 of having blind faith in
our soothsayers, then &n=
bsp;sooner than later we will become Babylon of yesteryears, which is known=
as Iraq
today!</span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-a=

lign: justify;"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> </span></font></p>
<p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><b><font size=3D"1" face=
=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana; font-weig=
ht: bold;" lang=3D"EN-GB">Kashmiri
Pandits were the worst affected by their=
blind faith in Jyotishis:</span></font></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"text-align: justify;"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=
=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> Another rea=
son for
my revolt against the so called =93Vedic astrology=94 is that as a
=
Kashmiri Pandit, I have more to blame panchanga makers and soothsayer=
s
and their predictive gimmicks than anything or anybody else since they ne=
ver
forewarned us about any calamities that were going to befall us! =
On the
other hand, just to prove their astrological gimmicks, they just mad=
e ---and
are still making --- us celebrate all our festivals, including Mah=
ashivaratri,
Vasanti Navratras, Ramanavami, Janmashtami and Sharadiya navra=
tras etc. on
wrong days. It is these very jyotishis, whom we had treated as=
our friends,
philosophers and guides, who are responsible for our downfall=
as Kahsmiri
Pandits, since they proved neither our friends, nor philosophe=
rs least of all
our guides! These Panchanga makers/jyotishis were the=
first to flee from
Kashmir in 1990--- like the king Hari Singh at th=
e time of Pakistani raid
in 1948--- since they had already made their alter=
nate homes in safer places
like Jammu and Delhi . Those J=
yotishis just
proved to be Shylocks, who were only interested in their Poun=
d of flesh by way
of Dakshinas for janmapatris and matching of horoscopes&n=
bsp; -- all cheating
and nothing else!</span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoN=
an style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> </=
span></font></p>

Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB">These
soothsayers have such a hypnotic grip on us=
that initially even I was brain
washed to believe that the Vedas had nothi=
ng else to do excepting teaching us
predictive astrology! I was so co=
nvinced that it appeared that even the
principle of Secondary Progressions =
must have been exported from India
to Western countries as the principle o=
f =93A day equals a year=94 was
mentioned in our Vedas! But thank God=
, I woke up to the situation and
could see through their tricks.</span></fo=
nt></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><b><font si=

ze=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verda=
na; font-weight: bold;" lang=3D"EN-GB">There
are no Mesha, Vrisha etc=
. Rashis in the Vedas: </span></font></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal=
" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> Leave al=
one
predictive gimmicks, actually there are neither rashis like Mesha, Vris=
ha etc.
nor planets like Mangal, Shani etc. in the Vedas, Upanishads,=
Brahmanas
etc. Similarly, the Vedanga Jyotisha, the first indigenous astro=
nomical work of
14<sup>th</sup> century BCE , just
tells us only as to how =
to calculate tithi, nakshatra and
Uttarayana-cum- Tapah-cum Magha etc. mont=
hs. It does not list any Mesha
etc. rashis nor any planets like Manga=
l, Budha etc. Same is the case with
Yajur Jyotisha of about 11<sup>th=
</sup> century BCE
and later Atharva Jyotisha of about 5<sup>th</sup> cent=
ury BCE , which does not have any Rashis though it talks
of planets. =
As such, it is really a fraud on the Vedas being played
by some charla=
tans to call any predictive gimmicks as Vedic astrology and hail
themselves=
as =93Vedic Jyotishis=94. It is a crime under =93The
Consumer Protection A=
ct=94 as it is a misrepresentation of facts to a
client and is thus a defic=
iency in service. </span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=

=3D"text-align: justify;"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"=
font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> </span></font>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: justify;"><b><font size=

; font-weight: bold;" lang=3D"EN-GB">Our
predictions in the past also could=
never have been correct:</span></font></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" st=

yle=3D"text-align: justify;"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=
=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Verdana;" lang=3D"EN-GB
Sep 2008 17:23:07 -0000
Sep 2008 17:23:07 -0000
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:23:06 -0000
Message-ID: <gbb8lq+a20l@...>
In-Reply-To: <995173.75721.qm@...>
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Subject: Re: "Vedic astrology" - the greatest fraud on the Vedas!
y=RinDQajhW2yxSwyU4EIwyFM5oHQtWRl5R5HwJKaeDTP5eUON
Shri Uma Shankerji,

Namaskar!
Many thanks for your response, which is reall=
y off the mark!
You have not addressed even a single point raised by me in=

my
post "Vedic astrology--the greatest fraud on the Vedas" about "Vedic
=
astrology" vis-a-vis the Hindu calendar!
You have said

<Everybody has the=
right not to believe things but please note that
no human being has got t=
he right to degrade this science.>
Would you kindly enlighten me as to wha=

t right we have to call
predictive gimmicks as Vedic astrology when there =
are no Mesha,
Vrisha etc. rashis in the Vedas or the Vedanga Jyotisha or t=
he Yajur
Jyotsiha or even the Atharva Jyotisha and Atharva Veda Parishisht=
a?
<You said there is no Sade Sathi, I know what Sade Sathi is because
I =
have through it and those tortorous 7 years. It is not that I am
a dumb p=
erson and will take whatever comes to me , I am a very hard
working person=
but still the situation has arisen for me without my
control and myself a=
nd soul has gone through those torterous years.>
You are talking a lot abo=

ut Sade sati of Shani devta! Obviously,
you have not read any of the Veda=
s since we do not find any traces
of these most dreaded planets viz. Manga=
l and Shani in the Vedas or
the Vedanga Jyotisha or the Yajur Jyotisha! N=
aturally, if Shani
Devta is tormenting somebody it must be because that so=
mebody is
calling sade sati a Vedic phenomenon, when actually it is a crea=
tion
of jyotishis themselves!
Here is a challenge to all the "Vedic" and =

"non-Vedic" and
even "anti-Vedic" jyotihsis: Let them quote even a single=
mantra
from any of the Vedas or a single shloka from any of the Puranas o=
r
any other shastra which has advised us to consult some soothsayer
befor=
e embarking on any plan!
All the shastras, on the other hand, advise us "k=

armnayeva
adhikaraste ma phaleshu kadachana"---"Do your duty but do not wo=
rry
about the results" whereas "Vedic astrology" wants us to do
some "Upa=
y" to gain something whether we deserve it or not!
"Vedic astrology" is th=

us a drag on the society since there is
nothing on record to show that it =
has done any good to the country:
For example, has any jyotishi till date =

made any prediction as to
when a flood or Tsuname or some other disaster w=
ill strike which
part of the country? Has any jyotihsi predicted about th=
e
devastating floods of Bihar, Orissa and other parts of the country?
Ha=
s any jyotishi predicted about terrorist attacks of Gujarat or
Delhi or Ra=
jasthan?
No jyotishi had even the faintest idea about Messrs P V. Narasimh=

a
Rao or Dewe Gawda or I. K . Gujral being crowned the Heads of the
large=
st deemocracy of the world! Same is the case with the present
PM viz. Dr.=
Manmohan Singh! Of what use has "Vedic astrology" been
about deciding th=
e course of events of the nation?
Leave alone mundane affairs, the "great=

est Vedic astrologer of the
twentieth century" had "planned astrologically=
" to speak
on "Astrology as an aid in the diaganosis of Heart diseases" on=
the
third January of the ensuing year but passed away himself on
Decembe=
r 20 of the year preceding the date of that talk and that
also of a "heart=
attack". If he could not foresee his own death
looming large, how can th=
ese jyotishis help others in doing any
future planning?
It maybe news to =
you that "Vedic astrlogers" can make correct
predictios only from incorrec=
t data---"Notable Horscopes" is the
most glaring example! None of the cha=
rts, including the horoscope
of the "redoubtable" author himself in that b=
ook, has any correct
astronomical data, but the author claims to have made=
correct
assessments!
The most tragic part of this farce known as "Vedic =

astrology" is that
we will be celebrating Pitra-amavasya on the day of actu=
al Dipavali
which is September 28, 2008 as per all the shastras! Is that =
what
our forefatehrs have advised us to do? Is that what the real
Vamade=
vas wanted us to do in the name of "Vedic astrology", as is
being claimed =
by "imported Vamadevas" these days? Will
any "imported Vamadeva" celebrat=
e his/her Christmas on any other day
than December 25? No. Then whey are =
they compelling us to celebrate
our festivals on wrong days---Uttarayana o=
n January 15 instead of
the shortest day of the year and so on? Obviously=
, they have some
axe to grind!
We are celebrating Dakshinayana on July 15=

instead of the longest
day of the year every year because "Vedic astrolog=
ers" and "Vedic
panchangakars" advise us to do so! Is that the real scien=
ce that is
being advocated by "Vedic astrologers"? Don't they know that t=
here
cannot be any other Uttarayana except the shortest day of the year? =
These "Vedic astrologers" want us to celebrate Vaishakhi on April 15

whe=
n actually Vasanta Sampat means the day when day is equal to
night! What =
does it show? That "Vedic astrologers" do not know
even ABC of school lev=
el geogrpahy, leave alone astronomy!
Thus, I am against "Vedic astrology" =

because it is the only "branch
of predictive gimmicks" that compels us to =
celebrate all our
festivals and muhurtas on wrong days! It is immaterial =
to me
otherwise if somebody is making a fool of someone else in the name
=
of "Vedic jyotish" so long as the other someone is willing to become
a foo=
l!
The earlier the entire Hindu community wakes to this situation the
b=
etter, as otherwise India will become Babylon of yesteryears, which
is kno=
wn as Iraq these days! Maybe that is what the "imported
Vamadevas" actual=
ly want and it looks that they are also succeeding
in their efforts!
With =
regards,
A K Kaul
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, uma shanker

<al=
iens19672004@...> wrote:
>
> Mr Kaul
>
> It is nice to see that you have a=
very exhaustive knowledge of
vedas, upanishads and vast things that our r=
ishis have left for
us.Read your exhaustive lecture on vedic astrology whi=
ch you have
written what you have felt. At least finally at the end of the=
mail
you felt that god almighty is there even though we dont see him.=A0 =
That was your belief and also the belief of the entire humanity
whether d=
ead or alive.=A0 In the same way most of the Indians, why
only Indians the=
entire community feels that astrology do exists and
we can predict our fu=
ture may not be 100% but yes to some extent.=A0
If human beings are given =
the power to predict that we do not call
ourselves as human beings we woul=
d call our selves as gods.=A0 Hence
god the almighty has not given us the =
power to forsee the future.
>
>
> But please understand that there are gr=
eat souls on this earth
like Pandit Sanjay Rath, Shri PVR Narsimha rao the=
ir disciples who
have understood the subject in depth.=A0 The parampara ha=
s not come to
them just like that it is there from their forefathers and i=
t has
come up to them.
>
> Everybody has the right not to believe things =
but please note that
no human being has got the right to degrade this scie=
nce.
>
> You said there is no Sade Sathi, I know what Sade Sathi is becaus=
e
I have through it and those tortorous 7 years.=A0 It is not that I am
a=
dumb person and will take whatever comes to me , I am a very hard
working=
person but still the situation has arisen for me without my
control and m=
yself and soul has gone through those torterous years.
>
> I know you woul=
d be a very learned person and if that is the case
kindly keep your commen=
ts for your self and please do not hurt the
feelings of those people who b=
elieve in destiny and people who would
like to learn astrology
>
> With R=
egards
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 9/23/08, jyotirved <jyotirved@...> wrot=
e:
> From: jyotirved <jyotirved@...>
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] "Vedic astro=
logy" - the greatest fraud on
the Vedas!
> To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.c=
om
> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 5:51 PM
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> Respe=
cted Sirs,
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> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0 "Vedic
> astrology" =96 the greatest fraud on the Vedas
>
> =
Namaskar!
>
> The following speech was delivered
> in September 2006 at R=
otary Club, West Delhi . The
> same talk appeared later as an article in th=
e souvenir of the
seminar on
> "Vedic astronomy & Cosmology"=97December 20=
06. I am sure
> you will find it interesting.
>
> Regards,
>
> A K Kaul=
>
> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0
> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
>
> Om tat sat=A0 brahmarpanamas=
tu!
>
> Om Brahmanandam Parama sukhadam kevalam gyan moortim,
> dwandvate=
etam gagana sadrisham tat-tvam asyadi lakshyam
> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
> =
ekam nityam vimalam achalamsarva dhee sakshi bhootam, bhavateetam
triguna
=
> rahitam shree gurum tam namami
>
> "Vedic
> Astrology" - the greatest =
fraud on the Vedas!
>
> Dear friends. Good
> evening to everybody!
>
> =
I feel highly honoured
> to have been invited by Shri Ajay Bhasin for shari=
ng my views
about astrology
> and related topics with respected personalit=
ies assembled here.=A0
As most
> of us already know, we call these predict=
ive gimmicks as "Vedic
> astrology" these days.=A0 =A0
>
> =A0
>
> Whe=
n I was asked by Shri
> Bhasin about the heading of my talk, I had thought =
of making it
as "Vedic
> Astrology =96 the greatest fraud on the Vedas".=
=A0 On second
> thoughts, fearing that it would be too explosive a heading,=
I made
it a sugar
> coated bitter pill by changing it to "Do we celebrate=
our
festivals on
> correct days?".
>
> =A0
>
> Well, actually, both
=
> i.e., the fraud known as "Vedic astrology" and "our
> celebrating all our=
festivals on wrong days" are inter-related.
>
> Let me start with
> "Ve=
dic astrology"=A0 -=A0 as to why I call it a fraud!
>
> There is hardly a=
nyone
> in India ,
> who does not want to know as to when his "sade=96sati"=
will
> start or end or as to which Dasha-antardasha he is running and
whe=
n that will
> end etc. etc.=A0even if he does not know ABC of jyotisha.=A0 =
I have
gone
> through all those pangs myself and made a thorough study of =
all the
> astrological works besides a lot of astronomical books!=A0 I stud=
ied
Western
> system of astrology also and had become a sort of famous
as=
trologer, though my
> predictions were as correct as anybody else's i.e. ha=
rdly 50%.=A0
> However, this is a secret that no "jyotishi" shares with any=
body --
> that his/her predictions are hardly more correct than fifty per
=
cent, whatever
> logic or Ayanamsha he/she may use!=A0 When I analyzed the =
reasons
for such a
> dismal rate of success, the conclusions were startlin=
g!=A0 And I am
keeping
> those very conclusions before you!
>
> =A0
> =
> Before proceeding

> further, I must, however, say something about myself=
since you are
well within
> your rights to ask me as to what "qualificati=
ons" I have to
> demolish=A0 astrology that is being practised over the las=
t several
> centuries, nay even millennia!
>
> =A0
>
> My
> credential=
s Though I am not laying any claims
> to being a scholar, however, I have a=
ctually studied all the four
Vedas in
> original "archaic" Sanskrit with t=
heir different
> "Bhashyas", besides the various Brahmanas=A0 like Shatapat=
ha,
> Aitreya, Tatiriya etc. etc. I have studied, (in original
Sanskrit!) =
about two
> hundred all the important Upanishads as well! I have also gone =
through both the

> epics viz. the Valmiki Ramayana and the Mahabharata ---=
in=A0
Sanskrit and
> from cover to cover, besides Adhyatma Ramayana, Rama=
charitamanasa
etc. etc.!
> There is hardly any Purana whether the Bhagavat=
a, Shivapurana,
Vishnu, Narada,
> Devi, Varaha, Matsya and Vishnudharmotar=
a etc. etc. that I have
not gone
> through in original Sanskrit. I have al=
so studied exhaustively all
the ancient
> astronomical works like the Veda=
nga Jyotisha, Panchasidhantika,
Surya Sidhanta,
> Arya Bhati, Sidhanta Shi=
romani etc. etc. To crown it all, I was
not a born
> renegade against the =
established traditions.=A0 On the other hand, I
was
> initially "hypnotize=
d" by "Vedic astrology" and
> "panchangas" myself and there is hardly any "=
text-book"
> of astrology either in Sanskrit or Urdu or English or Hindi th=
at I
have not
> studied with due reverence, as if I was studying the Vedas=
!
>
> =A0
>
> Having established my
> credentials thus, I CAN DECLARE=
IT WITHOUT ANY HESITATION AND WITH
ALL
> THE EMPHASIS AT MY COMMAND, =A0=
THAT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PREDICTIVE
> ASTROLOGY IN ANY OF THE VEDAS, UPA=
NISHADAS OR BRAHMANAS. There
are, however,
> some references to some odd t=
ypes of predictions in some of the
Puranas and the
> epics and therefore c=
alling it as really a post-Vedic astrology is
more
> correct.=A0 There is =
a rider there also, and that is that according
to these
> scriptures, Maka=
ra Sankranti i.e. Pongal is nothing but a synonym
of Uttarayana
> (the sho=
rtest day of the year) i.e. Winter Solstice and as
everybody knows, it
> c=
an take place these days only on or around December 21 every
year.=A0 Thus=
> the Uttarayana-cum- Makar Sankranti that we are celebrating now-a-

days =
on
> January 14 is absolutely wrong and does not have any authority
from a=
ny shastra
> or even modern astronomy.=A0 Similarly, the Vaishakhi that is =
being
> celebrated on April 14 or so also is wrong since Mesha Sankranti
i=
s nothing but
> Vishuva (Vernal Equinox) or Vasant Sampat and it cannot tak=
e place
on any
> =A0day other than March 21/22, when the day and night are=
equal.
Actually
> these Makara etc. sankrantis were known as Tapah etc. m=
onths
during the Vedic
> period as there are no rashis in the Vedas but ju=
st six seasons
and Madhu,
> Madhava etc. twelve months.=A0 As such, we are=
celebrating all our
fasts,
> fairs and muhurtas on wrong days=A0 -- thank=
s to "Vedic
> astrologers"=A0 and their "Vedic astrology".
>
> =A0
>
=
> =A0The first and
> foremost thing I learnt from our shastras is that no s=
ystem of
predictions has
> any sanction=A0 either from the Vedas=A0 or eve=
n Puranas least of all
our
> dharmashastras etc.=A0since all our shastras =
admonish us from
consulting
> "nakshatra jeevis" so much so that the Manus=
mriti calls these
> nakshatrasoochis as outcastes and not fit to sit in any=
sabha of
learned
> people.
>
> Those
> who can foresee our future do no=
t reveal it to us beforehand:
>
> All the Ramayanas,
> whether Valmiki or=
Adhyatma or Ramacharitamanasa etc. etc. say
that before
> deciding about =
the coronation of Bhagwan Rama, Dashratha wanted
his guru
> Vasishtha to c=
onfirm the suitable muhurta for that function.=A0 It
was on
> the advice o=
f =A0Vasishtha Muni that Dasharatha decided to anoint
Rama as
> the Yuvraj=
a the very next day, as it was "Tishya" =A0i.e. Pushya
> nakshata then.=A0 =
>From this anecdote, it is clear that either
Vasishtha Muni
> did not know =
as to what was going to happen to Dasharatha by
declaring Bhagwan
> Rama a=
s a crown-prince or Vasishtha kept quiet deliberately since
he did not
> w=
ant to interfere in the divine dispensation!
>
> =A0
>
> Obviously, be=
ing the son
> of Brahmaji and a highly exalted yogi as well as a jnyani,
V=
asishtha-muni could
> peep into past as well as future.=A0 It means that ev=
en if some
exalted
> souls can foresee as to what is going to happen, they=
do not
reveal our
> "bhavishya" before hand, unlike some of the astrologe=
rs of today,
> who masquerade as "Parasharas" and "Vamadevas" to tell
> us =
even our past and future janmas just by glancing at our birth-
charts, even=
> if those charts are wrong!

>
> =A0
>
> The Gita is said to be
> the=
gist of all our shastras.=A0 When Arjuna expressed his doubt by
saying na=
itadvidmah katarnno gareeyo, yadva jayema yadi va
> no jayeyuh "I do not kn=
ow what is good for me nor do I know
> whether we will win or the Kauravas =
will win the war", Bhagwan
Krishna
> neither asked him to consult some soo=
thsayer nor did He tell him
to wear some
> ruby!=A0 He just advised Arjuna=
"hato
> va prapsyasi swargam jitva va bokshyase maheem"=A0 i.e.
> "You mus=
t fight.=A0 If you get killed in the war, you will go to the
> heavens and =
if you win it you will be the lord of the whole
world".
>
> Thus all it =
boils down
> to is the fact that those who know (including Lord Krishna
Hi=
mself!) as to what
> is going to happen and when do not divulge such "secre=
ts" before
> hand to us.
>
> =A0
>
> Remedial
> measures are a farce: =
Almost all the
> jyotishis suggest one or the other remedial measure to the=
ir
clients, and
> mostly these are gems like diamond or ruby or sapphire e=
tc. etc.=A0
What is
> surprising is that we have become so obsessed with J=
yotish that we
forget the
> entire itihasa of our past!
>
> (i)=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0If
> these gems are that efficacious, why was then Dasharatha not
su=
ggested some
> "ruby" or "coral" to ward off the evil Dasha that was
> goin=
g to kill him when Rama would leave for the forests?=A0 Well,
because
> ou=
r Rishis did not believe in such gimmicks at all!
>
> (ii) Bhagwan Krishn=
a was
> born in a prison=A0 ---=A0=A0 I wonder why He could not use some=A0=
=A0=A0
> "sapphire" to be born in a palace!
>
> =A0(iii)
> Vasudeva and D=
evaki---the parents of Bhagwan Krishna--- were in
chains when He
> was bor=
n! It is said that Lord Krishna was a complete =96 16 kala
sampoorna=A0 --=
- divine
> incarnation of Vishnu and was thus really Omnipotent, Omnipresen=
t
and
> Omniscient!=A0 But in spite of His Omniscience, Omnipotence and
> =
Omnipresence, Lord Krishna could not relieve the miseries of his
parents,
=
> Vasudeva and Devaki, who had to remain in chains till Krishna
> killed K=
ansa!
>
> What does it demonstrate?=A0
> Just the fact that if the Omnisc=
ient, Omnipresent and Omnipotent
Krishna could
> not relieve the miseries =
of His own father or mother before the
appointed time,
> how can a ruby or=
a sapphire---or some Mangala or Shani yagya---
remove all our
> miseries =
or fulfil all our ambitions?=A0 Obviously, we are being
taken for a
> ride=
by such Jyotishis!
>
> iv)
> Then not in the distant past, Smti Indira G=
andhi would run after
astrologers
> for knowing her future.=A0 She wore a =
rare and original ekamukhi
rudraksha, which only either the
> Maharaja of =
Nepal had or she was wearing!=A0 It is said that some
top-notch
> jyotishi=
s had suggested that rudraksha to her!=A0 Ironically, both
the King
> of N=
epal as well Mrs. Indira Gandhi were assassinated "by the
> people" they "h=
ad trusted"----ekamukhi rudraksha not
withstanding!=A0What does it
> prove=
?=A0 That we should not be hoodwinked by soothsayers!
>
> v) Then again a=
well
> known Tantrik of yore---highly respected by the then PM--- is out
=
on bail, not
> by dint of his "Tantra-Kriya" but because of some legal loop=
holes
> in FERA!
>
> Similarly, Dhirendra Brahmachari, another high profil=
e "Tantrik",
> met with an accident in the plane he was flying himself!=A0 =
If he
could not
> see his own death looming large how could he forewarn ot=
hers!
>
>
>
> What does that prove?=A0 Obviously, it warns us against r=
elying on
any
> soothsayers, especially if they call themselves "Vedic Jyo=
tishis"
> since they are taking us for a ride literally.=A0
>
> Kalasarpa=
> Dosha=A0 -- a non-existent fear psychosis: These

> days we hear a lot ab=
out Kalasarpa Dosha!=A0 It is said to be
present in any
> horoscope if all=
the planets are between Rahu and Ketu!=A0 My God!=A0
> What a humbug!=A0 R=
ahu and Ketu are actually nodes of the Moon!=A0 That
> means they are just =
mathematical points without any dimensions ---
therefore
> without any phys=
ical existence whatsoever!=A0 So according to "Vedic
> astrologers" even su=
ch "non-existent" phenomena can make our
> lives miserable for which we mus=
t do some upay!=A0
> Do you need any other proofs for the jugglery that the=
se cheats
are indulging
> in?
>
> THE ONLY EFFECTIVE
> REMEDY, or UPAY, =
THEREFORE, IS
> THAT WE MUST REMEMBER HIM, THE ALMIGHTY, EVERY MOMENT OF OU=
R LIVES
AND LEAVE EVERY THING TO HIS DIVINE WILL!.=A0
>
> =A0
>
> Fa=
ke
> Brighu Samhitas and Parasharis:
>
> We find a Brighu Samhita
> or a =
nadi Jyotishi or Aruna Samhita etc. in every Muhalla these
days!=A0
> Howe=
ver, there is no mention in any of the Puranas or shastras
that any Rishi
=
> like Vasishtha or Garga or Brighu etc. have ever written=A0any books
on
=
> predictive astrology.=A0 The Vishnu Purana by Parashara is=A0 full of
> a=
stronomical references ---and that also sayana i.e. the seasonal
year when=
> Mesha sankranti is another name of Spring Equinox and so on, but
we do =
not find
> any mention of any Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra there!=A0
Obvi=
ously, it is
> the worst concoction that can ever be had, and may be that i=
s why
such a
> Parashari is the bible of "Vedic astrologers"
>
>
>
> I=
ndia has gone downhill because of astrology and
> astrologers: In India ,
>=
we have started going downhill ever since our rulers started
running afte=
r
> Jyotishis.=A0 In ancient days, during the time of the Mahabharata,
it =
was a
> dharma yudha that we had to fight against our own Duryodhanas but
=
ever since
> the advent of astrology almost simultaneously with the invasio=
n of
Alexander
> the Great, and then the "Yavana Jatakam" of Sphujidwaja a=
nd the
> Surya Sidhanta of Maya the Yavana (mlechha!),=A0 we had to fight
>=
outsiders!=A0 The more the foreigners invaded us the more our rulers,
> in=
stead of making a united effort against the invaders, started
consulting
>=
soothsayers whom they called Rajajyotishis!=A0
>
> =A0
>
> Varahamihi=
ra
> the worst culprit:
>
> The maximum credit for
> creating such a fear=
psychosis of omens and ghosts and ghouls and
> storms=A0=A0 and even cloud=
s goes to Varahamihira of 5th century AD
> through his Brihat Samita and Br=
ihat Jatakam and
Panchasidhantika!=A0 Before
> venturing into the battlefi=
eld, our monarchs would ask their
soothsayers to
> prepare "narpati jaya c=
harya"
> and consult Brihat Samhita etc. to see whether the "ketuchara" was=
> favourable at that time or not!=A0 No wonder with such a preliminary

an=
d
> hopeless knowledge of astronomical facts, we were being pushed
back in=
to dark
> ages by Varahamihira and his followers!
>
> =A0
>
> Our hist=
orical records
> are witness to the fact that we were =A0=A0vanquished in e=
very
> battle,=A0whether it was with Alexander the Great or Muhamud of
Gaz=
ni or
> Chengiz Khan or Nadir Shah or the Moguls=A0 or finally the East Ind=
ia
> Company, thanks to the dependence of our monarchs on soothsayers
> (Ra=
jajyotishis, huh!) instead of the principles of war strategy
and statecraf=
t
> as adumbrated by the Vedas, the Manu and even Chanakya, who chided
kin=
gs for
> consulting soothsayers!
>
>
>
> BJP the latest example:
>
> =
The fate of the BJP has
> not been any better than that of our earlier mona=
rchs by depending
more on
> their "Vedic Jyotishis" who were responsible f=
or getting
> "Vedic Jyotisha (sic!)" prescribed in Indian Universities!=A0 =
It
> is that very move that boomeranged on the party and even
the "Ministe=
r of
> astrology" did not win his own parliamentary seat from Allahabad ,
=
let alone being the Union Minister
> again. Do you need any other proofs of=
the fact that these "Vedic
> Jyotishis"=A0 will make you lose your seat of=
power well before the
> appointed day just by making you advance your elec=
tions?
>
> =A0
>
> =A0If we continue to
> follow the trend of our "mona=
rchs" of having blind faith in
> our=A0soothsayers, then =A0sooner than lat=
er we will become Babylon of
yesteryears, which is known as Iraq
> today!=
>
> =A0
>
> Kashmiri
> Pandits were the worst affected by their blind=
faith in Jyotishis:
>
> =A0Another reason for
> my revolt against the so=
called "Vedic astrology" is that as a
> Kashmiri Pandit, I have more to =
=A0blame panchanga makers and
soothsayers
> and their predictive gimmicks =
than anything or anybody else since
they never
> forewarned us about any c=
alamities that were going to befall us!=A0
On the
> other hand, just to pr=
ove their astrological gimmicks, they just
made ---and
> are still making =
--- us celebrate all our festivals, including
Mahashivaratri,
> Vasanti Na=
vratras, Ramanavami, Janmashtami and Sharadiya navratras
etc. on
> wrong d=
ays. It is these very jyotishis, whom we had treated as our
friends,
> phi=
losophers and guides, who are responsible for our downfall as
Kahsmiri
> P=
andits, since they proved neither our friends, nor philosophers
least of a=
ll
> our guides!=A0 These Panchanga makers/jyotishis were the first to
fle=
e from
> Kashmir=A0 in 1990--- like the king Hari Singh at the time of
Pak=
istani raid
> in 1948--- since they had already made their alternate homes =
in
safer places
> like=A0 Jammu and Delhi .=A0=A0 Those Jyotishis just
> p=
roved to be Shylocks, who were only interested in their Pound of
flesh by =
way
> of Dakshinas for janmapatris and matching of horoscopes=A0 -- all
ch=
eating
> and nothing else!
>
> =A0
>
> These
> soothsayers have such a=
hypnotic grip on us that initially even I
was brain
> washed to believe t=
hat the Vedas had nothing else to do excepting
teaching us
> predictive as=
trology!=A0 I was so convinced that it appeared that
even the
> principle =
of Secondary Progressions must have been exported from
India
> to Western=
countries as the principle of "A day equals a year" was
> mentioned in our=
Vedas!=A0 But thank God, I woke up to the situation
and
> could see throu=
gh their tricks.
>
> There
> are no Mesha, Vrisha =A0etc. Rashis in the V=
edas:=A0
>
> =A0Leave alone
> predictive gimmicks, actually there are ne=
ither rashis like Mesha,
Vrisha etc.
> nor planets like Mangal, Shani etc.=
in the=A0 Vedas, Upanishads,
Brahmanas
> etc. Similarly, the Vedanga Jyot=
isha, the first indigenous
astronomical work of
> 14th century BCE , just
=
> tells us only as to how to calculate tithi, nakshatra and
> Uttarayana-cu=
m- Tapah-cum Magha etc. months.=A0 It does not list any
Mesha
> etc. rashi=
s nor any planets like Mangal, Budha etc.=A0 Same is the
case with
> Yajur=
Jyotisha of about 11th century BCE
> and later Atharva Jyotisha of about =
5th century BCE , which does
not have any Rashis though it talks
> of plan=
ets.=A0 As such, it is=A0really a fraud on the Vedas being
played
> by som=
e charlatans to call any predictive gimmicks as Vedic
astrology and hail
>=
themselves as "Vedic Jyotishis". It is a crime under "The
> Consumer Prote=
ction Act" as it is a misrepresentation of facts to a
> client and is thus =
a deficiency in service.=A0
>
> =A0
>
> Our
> predictions in the past=
also could never have been correct:
>
> =A0It is said that
> over the pa=
st about 2000 years, our ancestors like Varahamihira or
his son
> Prithuya=
shas etc., could make marvellously correct predictions.
THAT IS NOTHING
> =
BUT HOGWASH! Let us see how: prior to the advent of scientific
astronomy i=
nto India ,
> i.e. about a couple of centuries back, panchangas were based =
on
astronomical
> works like the Surya Sidhanta or Aryabhati or Sidhanta S=
hirmoani
etc.
> etc.=A0 I have prepared a software called "Mahesh".=A0 It
=
> calculates, apart from the actual tithi, nakshatra, yoga, karna
etc., th=
e mean
> longitudes of all the planets from 10000 BCE
> to 12030 AD i.e. f=
or more than 22,000 years as per the Surya
Sidhanta,
> Aryabhati or Sidhan=
ta Shiromani etc. besides comparing them with
the longitudes
> as per mode=
rn astronomy. Anybody can download it freely from my
discussion
> forum
>=
> =A0http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HinduCalen dar

>
> Unfortunately f=
or these
> jyotishis, we find that the very fundamental arguments of these =
sidahntas like
> the Surya Sidhanta, the Aryabhati, the Sidhanta Shiromani=
etc.
etc. are
> absolutely wrong!=A0 .=A0
>
> That naturally means
> t=
hat any panchanga based on them would also be wrong, with the
result that =
any
> horoscope prepared on the basis of those panchangas could never be
c=
orrect.
> Thus it is impossible for any astrological predictions to have
b=
een correct in
> the past!=A0 As such, it is all like the famous couplet of=
Ghalib =A0"yoon to hai=A0 hamko janat ki haqeeqat

> maloom lekin; dil ke =
bahlane ko Ghalib yeh khayal achha hai"
>
> =A0
>
> Astrology
> cannot=
be a science Predictive astrology is
> supposed to be a "science"!=A0 What=
a preposterous statement!
> When the data on which predictions were based =
or are based these
days are not
> correct, how can the results be correct =
and how can we call it a
science at
> all?
>
> =A0
>
> Stars
> do no=
t affect us:
>
> =A0It is said that
> stars affect us!=A0 It appears eith=
er these astrologers have gone
honkers
> themselves or they suppose that t=
he whole world has really gone
mad!=A0 Let
> us see how:
>
> I am a puny =
human being on this small planet called earth.=A0 The
sun is
> hundreds of=
thousands of times larger than the earth! And there
are other stars
> of =
our nakshatra/rashichak ra that are supposed to affect me
individually as =
per
> the Dasha-Bhukti that is running in my horoscope! However, this
fant=
astic
> statement has no leg to stand upon since the nearest star of that
=
Rashichakra
> is Shravana! And do you know its distance from me? It is seve=
nteen
light
> years!=A0 And it is several times larger than our sun!=A0 In=
other
words,
> if that star wants i.e. Shravana wants to "affect" me indi=
vidually,
> it will take it at least seventeen years to do so even if that
=
> "effect" travels at the speed of light!=A0 And by then, my Rahu
> or Shan=
i or whatever Dasha it may be must have been over! Then how
can such a
> s=
tar which is trillions of times larger than me send its rays in a
concentr=
ated
> form just to haunt me at a particular point of time!=A0 Can you
ima=
gine what
> type of laughing stocks we are making of ourselves=A0 by believ=
ing
in such
> hocus pocus!
>
> Similarly, the next nearest star of our Ra=
shichakra is Swati !=A0 It
is away
> by 26 light years from me
>
> and =
is again several
> times larger than our sun!!
>
> It thus defies
> imagi=
nation as to how we can call astrology a science or how it
can be said
> t=
hat the "Stars affect us".
>
> =A0
>
> Patri
> Melapak (Horoscope Matc=
hing) is not warranted by shastras
nor =A0astrology
> books:
>
> =A0Now =
coming to the
> fad called Patri Melapak=A0 i.e. horoscope matching!=A0 Thi=
s fad is the
> rage of the day! You will be surprised to know that none of =
our
shastras,
> whether the Manusmriti or the Ramayana or the Mahabharata,=
leave
alone the
> Vedas, have anything to do with Patri Melapak even by m=
istake!=A0 We
do not
> find any instances that any Vedic Rishi was addicte=
d to such a
fad, since may
> be then most of them would still have been lo=
oking for a "suitable
> Patri" for melapak! Not to speak of Dharma shastras=
, there is no
mention
> of this type of a malady in any of the astrology b=
ooks like the so
called
> Parashari, or Mansagari or Phala Deepika or Jata=
ka Parijata or any
other
> work!=A0 It appears to be a creation of the jyo=
tishis of over the
last
> =A0one hundred years or so. Aleberuni, who visit=
ed India in 1030 AD
and =A0recorded quite
> faithfully all his experiences=
about Jyotisha and other things in
India
> also has not mentioned anythi=
ng of any "Melapak" in his work!
>
> "All
> India
> Calendar Reform Com=
mittee":
>
> Summing up, as we have
> just seen, not only are we subjecte=
d to non-existent fear
psychosis like
> Kalasarpa Dosha and Patri Melapak =
etc. but we are compelled to
celebrate all
> our festivals on worng days.=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0There are quite
> a few people who agree with my point of=
view that these days we
are celebrating
> Pitra Amavasya on the day of Di=
pavali and marriages during Pitra-
Paksha!=A0
> Similarly, we never celebra=
te Makar Sankranti on correct days i.e.
December
> 21/22 but we celebrate =
it on January 14.=A0 We also celebrate
Vaishakhi on
> April 14 instead of =
the day of Spring Equinox i.e., March 21 or
so.=A0 This
> has been all bec=
ause of the so called "Vedic astrology"
>
> To put our festivals
> back o=
n the right track, I made quite a few representations to the
> Hon'ble Pres=
ident of India, the Prime Minister of India, various
ministries
> besides =
the Positional Astronomy Centre at Calcutta , who publish
our Rashtriya
> =
Panchanga.=A0 I also made similar representations to all the reverred
> Sha=
nkaracharyas of all the six peethas,
> besides other saints and Mahatmas, b=
ut sorry to say, there has
been absolutely
> no response from any quarter!=
>
> We=A0 have now formed
> an "All India Calendar Reform Committee" and=
are enrolling members
> for the same.=A0 Those interested can log on to ht=
tp://groups.
yahoo.com/ group/HinduCalen dar
> =A0for entering into discus=
sions regarding the same.=A0 You can also
get
> a list of correct dates of=
festivals for 2006 and 2007 from that
forum. As an
> alternative, you can=
get in touch with me whenever you want to for
any further
> clarification=
s.
>
> Thank you very much for
> listening to this "exhortation" against =
"Vedic
> astrology" and the efforts I am making to streamline our
> calenda=
rs.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
> Om tat sat brah=
marpanam astu
>
> Avtar
> Krishen Kaul
>
> President
>
> All India C=
alendar Reform Committee
>
> H. No. 5, MIG , 00-A,
>
> Sector-2, Avant=
ika,
> Rohini, Delhi-110085.
>
> Email:jyotirved@ sify.com;
> a_krishen@y=
ahoo. com;
> Tel. 011-2751 6483
>
> =A0
>
> =A0
>
> =A0
>
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Namaste,
(1) No. When performing homam, orthodox people normally wear a ring made of
darbha (pavitram). But it is not necessary.
(2) Yes.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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------------------------------------------------------------------

Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:16 AM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Performing Tarpana Homam
> Respected Shri Narsimhaji,

> I am new to the Yahoo group; I have two questions regarding the
> tarpana homam :
> 1.Is it necessary to wear any ring while performing this rite !
> 2.Is it O.K.to wear a Mantramala or Pendant while performing !
>
> Thanks with utmost respect,
>
> Amit

Sep 2008 12:15:57 -0000
2008 12:15:57 -0000
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:15:55 -0000
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Garu,
2 more questions
1) For a Family, both husband and wife needs to do=

the procedure or
only one of them can do it or is it better if both of th=
em together
do it?
2)In the conclusion of Tarpan (Refering to Manual), I =

assume that
the Sitting Posture is as described Initially in the manual (D=
eva
Parpan) i.e. Righ knee touching Ground and left knee out of contact.
=
Best Regards,
Utpal

R. Rao"
<pvr@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Utpal,
>
> Yes, that should be fine.
>=
> Best regards,

> Narasimha
> ------------------------------------------=
------------------------
> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstro=
loger.org/homam
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.or=
g/tarpana
> Free=
> Free Jyotish s=
> Sri Jagannath Centre (S=
JC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
> --------------------------------=
----------------------------------
>
> F=
rom: "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@...>
> To: <vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com>=
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 8:04 PM

> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: G=
reat Time for Pitri Tarpana
>
>
> > Narsimha Garu,
> >
> > Namaste!
> >=
> > - can one perform this in somebody else's home if one is away
from
=
> > one's own home? (If one is staying in rented house or paying
guest)
> =
>
> > yours,
> >
> > utpal
> >
> > --- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, =
"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
> > <pvr@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Namaste,
> >>
> >> I =
dealt with this before. Please refer to the following mail.
> >>
> >> htt=
p://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom/message/347
> >>
> >> Best regard=
s,
> >> Narasimha
> >> ----------------------------------------------------=
------------
--
> >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.=
org/homam
> >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:
http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/=
tarpana
> >> Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
> >> =
> >> Free Jy=
> >> Sri Jagannath=
Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
> >> -------------------=
---------------------------------------------
--
> >>
> >> > Namaste
> >=
> >
> >> > Can you clarify if women are allowed to perform Tarpan,
> > ge=
nerally we
> >> > are not allowed to do so in Mutt's.
> >> >
> >> > rgds
=
> >> >
> >> > shubha
> >> > --- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V=
.R. Rao" <pvr@>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Namaste friends,
> >> > > =
> >> > > This is the 7th day of pitri paksha and there are 8 more
days. =
> >> > Krishna paksha (waning fortnight) of lunar month Bhadrapada
is
> =
>> > called pitri paksha. This fortinight coming just before the
nava
> >=
> > ratris is considered a great time to perform pitri tarpanas.
> > Those=
> >> > who are interested in pitri tarpanas can download a manual
from
=
> > the
> >> > website below and perform it. It is a very simple procedure=
and
> > can
> >> > be finished in 5-45 min, depending on whether one do=
es super-
> > short
> >> > or short or regular procedure and how comfortab=
le with
Sanskrita.
> >> > >
> >> > > * * *
> >> > >
> >>=
> > Most of us know about god and about what is good to do and
> > what i=
s
> >> > bad. Still we end up doing, thinking and wanting wrong things
on=
> > a
> >> > constant basis. The reason is that we cannot control our
m=
ind.
> > The
> >> > root cause of it is that mind is conditioned by vario=
us
> > tendencies
> >> > accumulated over various karmas. It is very diff=
icult to
> > overcome
> >> > these tendencies.
> >> > >
> >> > > Tarpan=
a washes away tendencies that one got via karmik debt
> > from
> >> > anc=
estors (and others who one has a debt to) in various
lives.
> > Homam
> =
>> > burns away tendencies that one got because of various actions
> >> > =
committed by one in various lives. The mixture of one's own
> > actions
>=
>> > in the past and the debts to various beings in the past
creates
> >=
the
> >> > set of tendencies that condition one's mind currently. These
=
two
> >> > sadhanas - homam and tarpana - are extremely effective for
> >=
> > overcoming inherent tendencies and make spiritual progress.
> > Those =
> >> > who are interested can take advantage of the easy manuals
that
> =
> were
> >> > created for both.
> >> > >
> >> > > Best regards,
> >> > >=
Narasimha
> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------=
-----
---
> > ---
> >> > > Do a Short Homam Yourself:
http://www.VedicAstr=
ologer.org/homam
> >> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:
> > http://www.Vedic=
Astrologer.org/tarpana
> >> > > Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group=
/vedic-wisdom
> >> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):
http://vedicastro.home.=
comcast.net
> >> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):
http://www.VedicAstr=
ologer.org
> >> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:
http://www.SriJaga=
nnath.org
> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------=
----
---
>

Sep 2008 12:57:54 -0000
2008 12:57:54 -0000
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Respected Narsimhaji,
Many thanks for the guidance. I have performed the Ta=
rpana on
23/09/2008 using the Supershort procedure .Wish to perform the 'L=
ong
Procedure' on coming Amavasya, at home.
Best regards,
Amit
--- In v=
edic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
<pvr@...> wrote:
>
> N=
amaste,
>
> (1) No. When performing homam, orthodox people normally wear a=
ring made of
> darbha (pavitram). But it is not necessary.
>
> (2) Yes.=
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> -----------------------------------------=
-------------------------
> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstr=
ologer.org/homam
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.o=
rg/tarpana
> Fre=
> Free Jyotish =
> Sri Jagannath Centre (=
SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
> -------------------------------=
-----------------------------------
>
> F=
rom: "sonat64" <sonat64@...>
> Sent: T=
uesday, September 23, 2008 12:16 AM
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Performing Ta=
rpana Homam
>
>
> > Respected Shri Narsimhaji,
> > I am new to the Yahoo =
group; I have two questions regarding the
> > tarpana homam :
> > 1.Is it n=
ecessary to wear any ring while performing this rite !
> > 2.Is it O.K.to w=
ear a Mantramala or Pendant while performing !
> >
> > Thanks with utmost r=
espect,
> >
> > Amit
>

2008 16:40:08 -0000
2008 16:40:08 -0000
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:40:08 -0000
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--- In hinducivilization@yahoogroups.com, "Avtar Krishen Kaul"

<jyotirved@=
...> wrote:
Dear Shri Bhadraiah Mallampalliji,

Namaskar!
I would request y=
ou to kindly go through your own post once again.
Can you pick even a sing=

le cogent reason from your own points as to
why we should continue to foll=
ow the fraud known as Vedic astrology,
which is neither scientific, nor lo=
gical, least of all Vedic,
instead of celebrating our festivals and muhurt=
as on correct days,
as advised by our shastras, logic and science--since
=
Uttarayana/Dakshinayana/Vasanta Sampat/Hemanta Sampat etc. are all
phenome=
na of seasons and therefore scientific! Similarly, all the
Vedas and Pura=
nas have fixed certain days for rituals! E.g.,
Nirjala Ekadashi is a sort=
of Tapasya only if we observe it in
Summer, when we feel most thirsty, wh=
ereas in Winter, it is hardly
worthwhile! And that is what we will be doi=
ng after a few centuries-
-celebrating that day in Winter--thanks to "Vedic=
astrologers" and
their "Vedic astrology"
One of your questions is even h=

ilarious! You have said
<When Vedic yajna kanda says if vashat call is giv=
en at wrong time
some mishap happens, yajamana's son may die, did it happen=
really?>
My counter question is: If you have no faith in celebrating

fe=
stivals and muhurtas on correct days, why celebrate them at all,
since if =
no harm has come by celebating them on wrong days,
certainly, no harm will=
come by not celebrating them at all! Why
waste your precious time and en=
ergy and money in celebrating them at
all?
Another counter question is: =
Since you are defending "Vedic
astrology" with all the might at your comma=
nd, can you quote any
instances where it has done any good to any nation o=
r country? On
the other hand, we have instances galore where it has done =
the
maximum harm: Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a glaring
=
example of its "suicide" because of an extraordinary infatuation
for "Vedi=
c astrology". So is the example of the BJP which had
an "akalamrityu" by =
advanding the last election by several months on
the advice of its "Minist=
er of Astrology"!
Similar was the case with "the greatest Vedic astrologer=

of
twentieth century"---he overestimated his own life span on the basis
=
of "Vedic astrology" and instead of making preparations for
Yamaloka, he p=
lanned, on the basis of his "cherished science", to
deliver a lecture on "=
Astrology as a guide to preventing heart
attacks" but he met an "astrologi=
cally" unscheduled end and that
also because of "cardiac arrest!"! His jy=
otisha magazine also has
got stopped completely--that "event" also was not=
foreseen by
any "Vedic astrologer"---since his own offspring fought amon=
g
themselves like Kilkenny cats over the spoils of the "Vedic jyotisha
em=
pire". And mind you, all his offspring were "top notch Vedic
astrologers"=
and even "Vastu experts" as per their own claims in
that very defunct mag=
azine!
Then another "Vedic astrologer" of repute made a fool of himself by=
declaring that a genetleman of Betul would die at 4-30 pm on a

particula=
r date abouit two years back, but unfortunately for
that "Vedic astrologer=
", that Betul man is still going strong!
Of course, these are just tips of=

iceberg and God only knows what
damage has been done by dint of "Vedic as=
trology" to the nation
otherwise!
Is that the "benevolent" aspect of "Vedi=
c astrology" you are talking
about and defending?
The most glaring damage =
it has done is that our budhi has become
Tamasik---we have become "budhi b=
rashta" since we have started
viewing the adharma of celebrating all our f=
estivals and muhurtas on
wrong days as the real dharma and simultaneously =
calling and
defending those predictive gimmikcs that compel us to celebrat=
e our
festivals etc. on wrong days as "Vedic astrology"!
I do not know wha=
t other "beneficial results" you are expecting
from "Vedic astrology"!
Wit=
h regards,
A K Kaul
--- In hinducivilization@yahoogroups.com, "Bhadraiah=

Mallampalli"
<vaidix@> wrote:
>
> Dear Shri Avtar Krishen Kaul,
>
> >Let=
them quote even a single mantra from any of the Vedas or a
> >single shlok=
a from any of the Puranas or any other shastra which
has
> >advised us to =
consult some soothsayer before embarking on any
plan!
>
> Agreed. Vedic y=
ajnas are done based on "knowledge" of what needs to
> be done.
>
> >"Vedi=
c astrology" wants us to do some "Upay" to gain something
> >whether we des=
erve it or not!
>
> Can you deny yajnas (are done) to get benefits?
>
> >=
"Vedic astrology" is thus a drag on the society since there is
> >nothing o=
n record to show that it has done any good to the
country:
>
> When Vedic=
yajna kanda says if vashat call is given at wrong time
> some mishap happe=
ns, yajamana's son may die, did it happen really?
>
> My contention is tha=
t the Vedic jyotisha is an imitation (a kind of
> poor imitation) of the Ve=
dic practice.
>
> Yes I agree the top politicians should move away from J=
yotish to
> Mahabhisheka, Rajasuya, Ashwamedha etc.
>
> Also agree about=
nakshatravda. Satapatha.Br says na-kshatras are
> those who had lost thei=
r kshatra. Why go after them, when Indra is
> the person who grants Mahabh=
isheka?
>
> Regards
> Bhadraiah
>
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Namaste,
Whether the astronomical calculations used by today's astrologers are

correct or grossly wrong is beyond the scope of this yahoogroup. Please take
this discussion to vedic-astrology or some such yahoogroup. This yahoogroup
is strictly discussing spiritual matters.
There is no benefit for the spiritual progress of anybody here if arguments

are made with highly opinionated proponents of fringe theories as far as
astrology and astronomy are concerned. Such people come with deep
convictions and have a different idea regarding several basics. Even after a
long debate, it is likely that both sides stick to their positions and no
agreement is reached. I have been through such useless debates many times on
vedic-astrology yahoogroup and wiser from the experience. Moreover arguments
with people who have displayed a militant disposition are particularly
unproductive.
Please everybody drop the topic of astrology and its calculations.
* * *
Mr Avtar Krishen Kaul, you got your opportunity and made your point. Please
stop harping now and leave this topic. Those who have a rina with you, share
your samskaras and are destined to be guided (or misguided) by you have been
exposed to your view now. That is enough. You cannot expect to get more from
this forum. This forum is NOT for discussing astrology and astronomical
calculations. Please leave this discussion now.
* * *
I taught astrology at Arsha Vidya Gurukulam several times. I met Nandan

Chirmulay, a good astrologer and an engineer, there. He was a fellow
teacher. He apparently got into astrology to disprove it!
When he was doing BTech at IIT, Bombay, he argued with some classmates that
astrology was nonsense. Dismissing a subject without knowing it well enough
is unwise. So he took up a study of astrology. He intended to confirm that
it does not work. But, as he learnt it, he realized that it has some worth
in it and not nonsense as he believed. He realized that our understanding
may not be perfect and we cannot be 100% successful with predictions, but it
has worth in it and works with a reasonable success rate. Now he is an
astrologer and astrology teacher.
Such people are rare. There are far more people who pronounce judgments on
subjects they have not studied in depth.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Fwd: Re: "Vedic astrology" - the greatest fraud on
the Vedas! (reposted)
> --- In hinducivilization@yahoogroups.com, "Avtar Krishen Kaul"

> <jyotirved@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Shri Bhadraiah Mallampalliji,
> Namaskar!
> I would request you to kindly go through your own post once again.
>
> Can you pick even a single cogent reason from your own points as to
> why we should continue to follow the fraud known as Vedic astrology,
> which is neither scientific, nor logical, least of all Vedic,
> instead of celebrating our festivals and muhurtas on correct days,
> as advised by our shastras, logic and science--since
> Uttarayana/Dakshinayana/Vasanta Sampat/Hemanta Sampat etc. are all
> phenomena of seasons and therefore scientific! Similarly, all the
> Vedas and Puranas have fixed certain days for rituals! E.g.,
> Nirjala Ekadashi is a sort of Tapasya only if we observe it in
> Summer, when we feel most thirsty, whereas in Winter, it is hardly
> worthwhile! And that is what we will be doing after a few centuries-
> -celebrating that day in Winter--thanks to "Vedic astrologers" and
> their "Vedic astrology"
>
> One of your questions is even hilarious! You have said
> <When Vedic yajna kanda says if vashat call is given at wrong time
> some mishap happens, yajamana's son may die, did it happen really?>
>
> My counter question is: If you have no faith in celebrating
> festivals and muhurtas on correct days, why celebrate them at all,
> since if no harm has come by celebating them on wrong days,
> certainly, no harm will come by not celebrating them at all! Why
> waste your precious time and energy and money in celebrating them at
> all?
>
> Another counter question is: Since you are defending "Vedic
> astrology" with all the might at your command, can you quote any
> instances where it has done any good to any nation or country? On
> the other hand, we have instances galore where it has done the
> maximum harm: Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a glaring
> example of its "suicide" because of an extraordinary infatuation
> for "Vedic astrology". So is the example of the BJP which had
> an "akalamrityu" by advanding the last election by several months on
> the advice of its "Minister of Astrology"!
>
> Similar was the case with "the greatest Vedic astrologer of
> twentieth century"---he overestimated his own life span on the basis
> of "Vedic astrology" and instead of making preparations for
> Yamaloka, he planned, on the basis of his "cherished science", to
> deliver a lecture on "Astrology as a guide to preventing heart
> attacks" but he met an "astrologically" unscheduled end and that
> also because of "cardiac arrest!"! His jyotisha magazine also has
> got stopped completely--that "event" also was not foreseen by
> any "Vedic astrologer"---since his own offspring fought among
> themselves like Kilkenny cats over the spoils of the "Vedic jyotisha
> empire". And mind you, all his offspring were "top notch Vedic
> astrologers" and even "Vastu experts" as per their own claims in
> that very defunct magazine!
>
> Then another "Vedic astrologer" of repute made a fool of himself by
> declaring that a genetleman of Betul would die at 4-30 pm on a
> particular date abouit two years back, but unfortunately for
> that "Vedic astrologer", that Betul man is still going strong!
>
> Of course, these are just tips of iceberg and God only knows what
> damage has been done by dint of "Vedic astrology" to the nation
> otherwise!
> Is that the "benevolent" aspect of "Vedic astrology" you are talking
> about and defending?
> The most glaring damage it has done is that our budhi has become
> Tamasik---we have become "budhi brashta" since we have started
> viewing the adharma of celebrating all our festivals and muhurtas on
> wrong days as the real dharma and simultaneously calling and
> defending those predictive gimmikcs that compel us to celebrate our
> festivals etc. on wrong days as "Vedic astrology"!
> I do not know what other "beneficial results" you are expecting
> from "Vedic astrology"!
> With regards,
> A K Kaul
>
>
> --- In hinducivilization@yahoogroups.com, "Bhadraiah Mallampalli"
> <vaidix@> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Shri Avtar Krishen Kaul,
>>
>> >Let them quote even a single mantra from any of the Vedas or a
>> >single shloka from any of the Puranas or any other shastra which
> has
>> >advised us to consult some soothsayer before embarking on any
> plan!
>>
>> Agreed. Vedic yajnas are done based on "knowledge" of what needs to
>> be done.
>>
>> >"Vedic astrology" wants us to do some "Upay" to gain something
>> >whether we deserve it or not!
>>
>> Can you deny yajnas (are done) to get benefits?
>>
>> >"Vedic astrology" is thus a drag on the society since there is
>> >nothing on record to show that it has done any good to the
> country:
>>
>> When Vedic yajna kanda says if vashat call is given at wrong time
>> some mishap happens, yajamana's son may die, did it happen really?
>>
>> My contention is that the Vedic jyotisha is an imitation (a kind of
>> poor imitation) of the Vedic practice.
>>
>> Yes I agree the top politicians should move away from Jyotish to
>> Mahabhisheka, Rajasuya, Ashwamedha etc.
>>
>> Also agree about nakshatravda. Satapatha.Br says na-kshatras are
>> those who had lost their kshatra. Why go after them, when Indra is
>> the person who grants Mahabhisheka?
>>
>> Regards
>> Bhadraiah
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Namaste,
Many rituals are usually performed by the couple together (when possible).
But, tarpana is usually performed by husband alone. I suggest husband and
wife individually performing tarpana.
Yes.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:15 AM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Great Time for Pitri Tarpana
> Garu,
>
> 2 more questions
>
> 1) For a Family, both husband and wife needs to do the procedure or
> only one of them can do it or is it better if both of them together
> do it?
>
> 2)In the conclusion of Tarpan (Refering to Manual), I assume that
> the Sitting Posture is as described Initially in the manual (Deva
> Parpan) i.e. Righ knee touching Ground and left knee out of contact.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Utpal
>
>
> <pvr@...> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Utpal,
>>
>> Yes, that should be fine.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Narasimha
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@...>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 8:04 PM
>> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Great Time for Pitri Tarpana
>>
>>
>> > Narsimha Garu,
>> >
>> > Namaste!
>> >
>> > - can one perform this in somebody else's home if one is away
> from
>> > one's own home? (If one is staying in rented house or paying
> guest)
>> >
>> > yours,
>> >
>> > utpal
>> >
>> > <pvr@> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Namaste,
>> >>
>> >> I dealt with this before. Please refer to the following mail.
>> >>
>> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom/message/347
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Narasimha
>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>> >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
>> >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:
> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>> >>
>> >> > Namaste
>> >> >
>> >> > Can you clarify if women are allowed to perform Tarpan,
>> > generally we
>> >> > are not allowed to do so in Mutt's.
>> >> >
>> >> > rgds
>> >> >
>> >> > shubha
>> >> > --- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Namaste friends,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > This is the 7th day of pitri paksha and there are 8 more
> days.
>> >> > Krishna paksha (waning fortnight) of lunar month Bhadrapada
> is
>> >> > called pitri paksha. This fortinight coming just before the
> nava
>> >> > ratris is considered a great time to perform pitri tarpanas.
>> > Those
>> >> > who are interested in pitri tarpanas can download a manual
> from
>> > the
>> >> > website below and perform it. It is a very simple procedure
> and
>> > can
>> >> > be finished in 5-45 min, depending on whether one does super-
>> > short
>> >> > or short or regular procedure and how comfortable with
> Sanskrita.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > * * *
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Most of us know about god and about what is good to do and
>> > what is
>> >> > bad. Still we end up doing, thinking and wanting wrong things
> on
>> > a
>> >> > constant basis. The reason is that we cannot control our
> mind.
>> > The
>> >> > root cause of it is that mind is conditioned by various
>> > tendencies
>> >> > accumulated over various karmas. It is very difficult to
>> > overcome
>> >> > these tendencies.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Tarpana washes away tendencies that one got via karmik debt
>> > from
>> >> > ancestors (and others who one has a debt to) in various
> lives.
>> > Homam
>> >> > burns away tendencies that one got because of various actions
>> >> > committed by one in various lives. The mixture of one's own
>> > actions
>> >> > in the past and the debts to various beings in the past
> creates
>> > the
>> >> > set of tendencies that condition one's mind currently. These
> two
>> >> > sadhanas - homam and tarpana - are extremely effective for
>> >> > overcoming inherent tendencies and make spiritual progress.
>> > Those
>> >> > who are interested can take advantage of the easy manuals
> that
>> > were
>> >> > created for both.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Best regards,
>> >> > > Narasimha
>> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
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Namaste,
One's samskaras take one in different directions. What can we do=

about others?
Some great yogis may be able to realize exactly what past =

karmas are behind a current samskara (mental conditioning), transfer the ka=
rma from the person to self and then burn it. But ordinary people like us c=
annot do anything, except feeling some compassion for the confused souls ar=
ound us.
One should focus on one's own progress. Tarpana and more importa=
ntly homam are excellent tools of spiritual progress for anyone.
Not perf=
orming tarpana is ok. But then, one will continue to struggle with various =
tendencies and weaknesses inherited from other people. Exerting freewill al=
one is not sufficient to overcome some weaknesses which have a deep-seated =
root cause in a rina to a soul that is still struggling with that weakness.=
You help that soul, work out the rina and overcome the weakness. If you ar=
e somebody relatively pure with not many weaknesses, nothing is needed. But=
, most people are not spiritually that pure and suffer from so many weaknes=
ses caused by the strong mental conditioning, which is partly due to the st=
rong debts to souls that are still suffering from that weakness. When I say=
weaknesses, I also include inner weaknesses such as anger, lust and indisc=
ipline. Pitri tarpana is a very useful tool for that.
Best regards,
Naras=
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respected Narasimha sir,

nama=
ste
I wish to ask few doubts and your guidance. you have mentione=
d about tarpanam in many mails already.
My father and his elder bo=
rther are a kind of non beleivers. they do not do poojas or rituals, they d=
o not denigrate it. its just that they do not follow these things. they hav=
e stopped doing shraaddha for many years now.
Even when i did reg=

ular sandhyavandanam, my father opposed it saying , rather than doing all t=
hese try doign good things to poor and downtrodden. he always discouraged m=
e doing these things. i encouraged my borther to do agni kaarya after his u=
panayana, he did for few months and after that he was again discouraged by =
my father to some extent my mother. i tried to make him do that but it alwa=
ys resulted in confrontation.
Now what can be done sir, my afther=

& his borther do not do shraaddha. Can i do something to overcome these th=
ings? is there a way out of tarpana / Homa ? which i can do . please help m=
e sir. if we do not do the tarpana how are we affected?
Kindly gu=
ide sir.
yours sincerely,
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may be able to realize exactly
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cannot do anything, except feel=
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more importantly =
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I do not know any specific mantra. I know many mantras for w=

hich Kashyapa is rishi, but no mantra to pray to Kashyapa himself.
There =
are many mantras for Prajapati in general ("prajaapate na tvadetaanyanyo...=
"), but I don't know a mantra specifically to worship Kashyapa.
If you pe=
rform a homam, you can add the following line after the poorvaangam (initia=
l five aahutis) and before the uttarangam.
Om kashyapaaya swaahaa. kashya=

paayedam na mama.
Say it and make an offering of ghee for Kashyapa.
Ano=
ther way to worship a rishi is to take section of Veda for which he is the =
rishi and try to experience that section. You can simply pick one rik for w=
hich Kashyapa is rishi and keep meditating on that rik. You can close your =
eyes, keep back straight and repeat the rik mentally with swaram without mo=
ving and do that everyday for a certain amount of time. Oneday the rishi ma=
y be pleased with you and you may experience something.
Best regards,
Nar=
asimha
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> =
Dear Respected Members,
>
> My gotra is Kashyap. I would like to know if t=
here is any specific mantra of Kashyap Rishi for worship. I am doing tarpan=
a, so it does have offering oblations to Kashyap Rishi, but I would like to=
know specific mantra for worship.
>
>
> Thanks & Regards,
> Prasad A. =
Pole
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asad,</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I do not know any specific mantra. I know man=
y
mantras for which Kashyapa is rishi, but no mantra to pray to Kashyapa
=
himself.</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There are many mantras for Prajapati in ge=
neral
("prajaapate na tvadetaanyanyo..."), but I don't know a mantra speci=
fically to
worship Kashyapa.</FONT></DIV>
> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you perform a homa=
m, you can add the following
line after the poorvaangam (initial five aahu=
tis) and before the
uttarangam.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Om kashyapaaya sw=
aahaa. kashyapaayedam na
mama.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Say it and make a=
n offering of ghee for
Kashyapa.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Another way =
to worship a rishi is to take section
of Veda for which he is the rishi an=
d try to experience that section. You can
simply pick one rik for which Ka=
shyapa is rishi and keep meditating on that rik.
You can close your eyes, =
keep back straight and repeat the rik mentally with
swaram without moving =
and do that everyday for a certain amount of time. Oneday
the rishi may be=
pleased with you and you may experience something.</FONT></DIV>
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regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>-------------------------------------------=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Dear Respected Members,<=
BR>> <BR>> My
gotra is Kashyap. I would like to know if there is any=
specific mantra of
Kashyap Rishi for worship. I am doing tarpana, so it d=
oes have offering
oblations to Kashyap Rishi, but I would like to know spe=
cific mantra for
worship.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Thanks & Reg=
ards, <BR>> Prasad
A. Pole <BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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=C2=A0
I had a question about Rishis. In the Aghora books=
, it is mentioned that the Rishis of yesteryears are still alive and roam a=
round in this planet. There are signs on their body.And that only some who =
has done terrific amount of tapashya is eligible to meet a Rishi. And also =
that praying to Rishi of ones gotra can help to acclerate ones spirtual pro=
gress. Kindly enlighten us with your thoughts on this topic. I am really cu=
rious..
=C2=A0
Thanks in advance.
=C2=A0
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ove all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet
--- On Thu, 25/9/08, Narasim=
ha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrote:
From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@cha=

rter.net>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Anyone knows mantra for Kashyap Rishi=
?
To: vedic-astrology@yahoogroups.com, vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, sohams=
a@yahoogroups.com, sivacharya@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 25 September,=
2008, 5:36 AM
Dear Prasad,
=C2=A0
I do not know any specific mantra=
. I know many mantras for which Kashyapa is rishi, but no mantra to pray to=
Kashyapa himself.
=C2=A0
There are many mantras for Prajapati in general (=
"prajaapate na tvadetaanyanyo. .."), but I don't know a mantra specifically=
to worship Kashyapa.
=C2=A0
If you perform a homam, you can add the follow=
ing line after the poorvaangam (initial five aahutis) and before the uttara=
ngam.
=C2=A0
Om kashyapaaya swaahaa. kashyapaayedam na mama.
=C2=A0
Say it =
and make an offering of=C2=A0ghee for Kashyapa.
=C2=A0
Another way to worsh=
ip a rishi is to take section of Veda for which he is the rishi and try to =
experience that section. You can simply pick one rik for which Kashyapa is =
rishi and keep meditating on that rik. You can close your eyes, keep back s=
traight and repeat the rik mentally with swaram without moving and do that =
everyday for a certain amount of time. Oneday the rishi may be pleased with=
you and you may experience something.
=C2=A0
Best regards,
Narasimha
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> Dear Respected Members,
>
> My gotra is Kashyap. I would l=
ike to know if there is any specific mantra of Kashyap Rishi for worship. I=
am doing tarpana, so it does have offering oblations to Kashyap Rishi, but=
I would like to know specific mantra for worship.
>
>=C2=A0
> Thanks & R=
egards,
> Prasad A. Pole
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV><BR>Dear Narasimhaji</DIV>
<DIV> </=
DIV>
<DIV>I had a question about Rishis. In the Aghora books, it is mention=
ed that the Rishis of yesteryears are still alive and roam around in this p=
lanet. There are signs on their body.And that only some who has done terrif=
ic amount of tapashya is eligible to meet a Rishi. And also that praying to=
Rishi of ones gotra can help to acclerate ones spirtual progress. Kindly e=
nlighten us with your thoughts on this topic. I am really curious..</DIV>
<=
DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks in advance.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-Rega=
rds</DIV>
<DIV> Rajarshi<BR></DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG>
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ormal><STRONG><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Ver=
dana">"This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG>=
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Rao <I><pvr@...></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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m: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] =
Re: Anyone knows mantra for Kashyap Rishi?<BR>To: vedic-astrology@yahoogrou=
ps.com, vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, sivacharya@y=
ahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 5:36 AM<BR><BR>
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id=3Dyiv575864938>
<DIV>
=3D2>Dear Prasad,</FONT></DIV>
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I do not know any specific mantra=
. I know many mantras for which Kashyapa is rishi, but no mantra to pray to=
Kashyapa himself.</FONT></DIV>
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There are many mantras for Praja=
pati in general ("prajaapate na tvadetaanyanyo. .."), but I don't know a ma=
ntra specifically to worship Kashyapa.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you perfo=
rm a homam, you can add the following line after the poorvaangam (initial f=
ive aahutis) and before the uttarangam.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Om kashyapa=
aya swaahaa. kashyapaayedam na mama.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Say it and mak=
e an offering of ghee for Kashyapa.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Another wa=
y to worship a rishi is to take section of Veda for which he is the rishi a=
nd try to experience that section. You can simply pick one rik for which Ka=
shyapa is rishi and keep meditating on that rik. You can close your eyes, k=
eep back straight and repeat the rik mentally with swaram without moving an=
d do that everyday for a certain amount of time. Oneday the rishi may be pl=
eased with you and you may experience something.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Be=
st regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------ --------- --------- --------- ----=
----- --------- ---------<BR>Do a Short Homam Yourself: <A href=3D"http://w=
ww.vedicastrologer.org/homam" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.Ved=
icAst rologer.org/ homam</A><BR>Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <A href=3D"http=
://www.vedicastrologer.org/tarpana" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://w=
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ups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://gro=
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ref=3D"http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>=
http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net</A><BR>Free Jyotish software (Windows)=
: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollo=
w>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org</A><BR>Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website=
: <A href=3D"http://www.srijagannath.org/" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>=
http://www.SriJagan nath.org</A><BR>------------ --------- --------- ------=
--- --------- --------- --------- <BR> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>> Dear Respected Members,<BR>> <BR>> My gotra is=
Kashyap. I would like to know if there is any specific mantra of Kashyap R=
ishi for worship. I am doing tarpana, so it does have offering oblations to=
Kashyap Rishi, but I would like to know specific mantra for worship.<BR>&g=
t; <BR>> <BR>> Thanks & Regards, <BR>> Prasad A. Pole <B=
R></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table><br>
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--- In HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com, "Avtar Krishen Kaul"

<jyotirved@...>=
wrote:
Shri Ravilochananji,
Namaskar!
<I concur with your views. NOwhere=
is it said in our epics or
Puranas that the Kings or Princes consulted as=
trologers before
marriage. Neither did Lord Ram consult an astrologer befo=
re taking
part in the bow contest nor did Lord Krishna went in search of
=
astrologers before departing to carry away Devi Rukmini.>
The fad of kings=

consulting jyotishis was started through his Brihat
Samhita by Varahamihi=
ra who was the greatest charlatan according to
me since he could make "co=
rrect predictions from incorect data" viz.
panchangas based on Maya the ml=
echha's Surya Sidhanta, the most
monstrous astronomical work that could ev=
er have been produced by
anybody! No wonder, "Vedic astrologers" of today=
vie with one
another for being called "Varahamihira" since they also can=
make
correct predictions ONLY from incorrect data!
Regarding "Patri Mela=

pak", what is most ironic is that no "jyotisha
shastra" right from Sphujid=
waja's yavana Jatakam to the most
notorious fake work viz. Brihat Parasha=
ri has touched this topic
even with a barge pole, but then today's "Vedic =
jyotishis" say that
it was practised by Vedic seers! My personal view is=
that if the
seers had really indulged in such a non-sense (actually the m=
ost
cunning!) fad, almost all of them would still have been looking for
a=
spouse whose Patri would match with theirs with at least 28 gunas!
<It is=
high time that we gave up the ancient Greek notion of
astrology and get b=
ack to proper astronomy.>
This "Vedic astrology" has had such a deleteriou=

s affect on the real
Vedic culture that the words of the Gita are becoming=
most
meaningful these days:
"adharmam dharmam it ya manyate tamsa vrita
s=
arvarthan vipareetanshchai, budhih saa partha tamasi"
i.e.
"an intellect th=
at views adharma as dharma (and dharma as adharma)
besides viewing all the =
things upside down, is the real Tamasic
intellect".
I find that almost ev=

ery Hindu is trying to defend "Vedic astrology"
in spite of the fact that =
it has been made clear to them by now that
it is because of that very fad =
that we are celebrating all our
festivals and muhurtas on worng days, but =
their arguments are really
tamasic---like "I do not know much about astron=
omy (and by
implication it means that he/she knows everything about astrol=
ogy
though!)" is the stock reply of most of them.
All the Hindus are no=

w a days least bothered about celebrating Pitra-
Amavasya on the day of act=
ual Dipavali which is on September 28,
2008, but they do not want to hear =
even a single word against "Vedic
astrology"! They celebrated marriages i=
n actual Pitrapaksha
because "Vedic astrologes" had okayed those dates!
=
What is surprising is that in spite of being well read, most of the

Hindu=
s have lost all sense of basic Primary school level geography!
They have be=
come oblivious of the fact that Uttarayana cannot take
place on any other =
day than the shortest day of the year or
Dakshinayana except on the longes=
t day of the year! But they have
put wool into their ears for such phenom=
ena since "Vedic
astrologers" want them to celebrate Uttarayana on January=
15 and
Dakshinayana on July 15 and so on!
In short, most of the Hindu so=

ciety appears to have become clones of
Maya the mlechha just because of th=
eir fatal infatuation with "Vedic
astrology"! And that is the real Tamasi=
c Vriti that I am talking
about!
However, since, AS IS EVIDENT FROM YOUR =

POST, Hindus are basically
the offspring of real Vamadevas instead of "imp=
orted Vamadevas",
sooner than later the genome of Vedic seers will revolt =
against this
tyranny of "Vedic astrologers" and thereby prevent the Hindu=
culture from having an akalamrityu, INSPITE OF "VEDIC ASTROLOGERS"!
With =
regards,
Avtar
--- In HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com, "Ravilochanan"

<r=
avilochan_tn@> wrote:
>
> Dear Shri Avtar
>
> Pranaam! I concur with your =
views. NOwhere is it said in our epics
or
> Puranas that the Kings or Pri=
nces consulted astrologers before
> marriage. Neither did Lord Ram consult=
an astrologer before taking
> part in the bow contest nor did Lord Krishn=
a went in search of
> astrologers before departing to carry away Devi Rukm=
ini. This
> practice of matching kundli has reached absurd proportions. Ou=
r
> dharma speaks about doing our duty without concern for the fruits.
> =
Doing what is right is the most important issue. Karma phal will
> finally=
reach us. One's karmaphal will not suddenly turn into good
> all of a sud=
den just because a kundli got matched. It doesn't make
> any sense. The Gi=
ta does not speak about jyotish phal. It only
speaks
> about karma phal. =
My heart bleeds upon seeing some orthodox Hindus
> who have nearly mastere=
d the aspect of Karma Yoga but still visit
the
> astrologer with kundlis =
during marriage just because their parents
> had (wrongly) taught them so.=
They believe it to be an integral
part
> of Vedic culture. It is high ti=
me that we gave up the ancient
Greek
> notion of astrology and get back t=
o proper astronomy.
>
> humbly
> Ravilochanan
>
>
> --- In HinduCalendar=
@yahoogroups.com, "Avtar Krishen Kaul"
> <jyotirved@> wrote:
> >
> > Shri =
Arul Thilak ji,
> > Namaskar!
> >
> > You have said
> > < As to how=C2 the=
last=C2 Hindu=C2 kingdom was lost in the 21st
century,
> > the following =
excerpts of Tarun Vijay's recent essay=C2 are
> revealing.>
> >
> > It is=
immaterial as to who says what! In a democracy, everybody
is
> > "author=
ized" to say anything about anybody or any event,
especially
> if
> > the=
person concerned is a journalist! We have, however, to
> ascertain
> > f=
acts for ourselves by sifting grain from the chaff and go by
them!
> >
> =
> You have quoted me as saying
> > <Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring countr=
y is a glaring
> > example of its "suicide" because of an extraordinary in=
fatuation
> > for "Vedic astrology".>
> > and there is enough of correspo=
ndence on this topic in this
forum!
> >
> > To summarize the facts, one h=
as just to recall the tragic event
of
> the
> > erstwhile crown-prince sh=
ooting dead his parents---the then king
and
> > queen---and then himself, =
only because his parents would not
allow
> him
> > to marry his sweet hea=
rt! And the parents did not allow that
> marriage
> > as the "Vedic astro=
logers" there had said that the horoscope of
the
> > crown-prince and his =
sweet heart did not match and it would bode
ill
> > for the king and the q=
ueen if that marriage was allowed!
> > And by now it is a well established =
fact that "Vedic
astrologers"
> only
> > predict the events upside down, =
if the data like the date and
time
> of
> > birth etc. of the "native" ar=
e correct, since they can make
correct
> > predictions only from incorrect=
data! Thus instead of advising
the
> > then king and queen to solemnize =
the marriage of the crown
prince
> with
> > his sweet heart---she was als=
o from a royal family of India----as
> > otherwise he would go mad, they ju=
st advised to the contrary!
And
> the
> > results are there for everybod=
y to see! It is worthwhile to put
on
> > record here that if it had been =
the earlier monarch, who was
shot
> dead
> > by his own son, still ruling=
Nepal, the things would have been
> > entirely different and would not hav=
e come to such a stage.
> >
> > Same was the case with BJP! If they had=
not advance the last
> General
> > Election by several months, the chance=
s were that they would have
> > gained a majority by planning their moves p=
roperly and would
still
> be
> > ruling today! But they believed more in =
"Vedic astrology" than
their
> > own drum-beating of "India shining". Even=
on the day the results
of
> > the last election were declared, all the ch=
annels and newspapers
> were
> > crying from housetops that as per all the=
jyotishis, A B Vajpayee
> > would be the PM, irrespective of which party g=
ained majority!
> However,
> > the BJP's faith in "Vedic astrology" ruined=
everything for them
and
> > poor A B Vajpayee, instead of being crowned t=
he king again, has
> become
> > completely bedridden, a sad fact that no a=
strologer had foreseen!
> >
> > You have also said
> > < It (Nepal) faithf=
ully follows a Vikram Samvat calendar based
on
> the
> > most scientific =
Hindu system of time and space.=C2 =C2 >
> >
> > On this topic also, there=
is a lot of correspondence with
> > IndiaArchaeology forum etc. that is av=
ailable in this forum as
> well.
> > Again, instead of going by who is sa=
ying what, pl. peruse that
> > correspondence and then let me know as to wh=
ether there is any
> > "scientific basis" of 58 BC being called as Vikrami =
era is! If
at
> all
> > it has any scientific basis, it is based on the =
passage of the
VE
> from
> > one Greek constellation Aries into another G=
reek constellation
i.e.
> > Pisces in around 66 BCE! And nobody knows why=
and by whom and
when
> it
> > was named "Vikrami Era".
> >
> > I have a=
lso made it clear literally hundreds of times that my
> aversion
> > towar=
ds "Vedic astrology" is because of the fact that it is
> actually a
> > fr=
aud on the Vedas and also a drag on Hindu society, since it is
> this
> > =
very fad that is making us see adharma of celebrating all our
> > festival=
s and muhurtas on wrong days as dharma! Same is the
case
> with
> > the =
all out defense by some people of the farce known as "Vedic
> > astrology"-=
--they are actually defending adharma in the name of
> dharma!
> > Hope th=
e situation is clear now.
> > Regards,
> > AKK
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Hi=
nduCalendar@yahoogroups.com, Arul T <arul_thilak@>
wrote:
> > >
> > >
> >=
>
> > >
> > > =C2=A0
> > > 1.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Sri Avtar-ji says as follows:
=
> > > =C2=A0
> > > QUOTE
> > > Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is =
a glaring
> > > example of its "suicide" because of an extraordinary
infa=
tuation
> > > for "Vedic astrology". So is the example of the BJP which ha=
d
> > > an "akalamrityu" by advanding the last election by several
months=
> on
> > > the advice of its "Minister of Astrology"!
> > > UNQUOTE
> > =
>
> > > =C2=A0
> > > =C2=A0
> > > As to how=C2=A0the last=C2=A0Hindu=C2=
=A0kingdom was lost in the 21st
century,
> > the following excerpts of Tar=
un Vijay's recent essay=C2=A0are
> revealing.=C2=A0
> > How, in particular=
, Hindu religious discourse was impoverished
and
> > limited to ritualism:=
> > > =C2=A0

> > >
> > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/ms=
id-
3482408,prtpage-
> 1.cms
> > > =C2=A0
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >=
>
> > > THE RIGHT VIEW
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Learn Chinese to know =
Kathmandu
> > > 14 Sep 2008, 1640 hrs IST, Tarun Vijay
> > >
> > > =C2=A0=
> > > QUOTE

> > > ..... Younger Nepal turned the tide in favour of a chang=
e with
a
> > balance. Kingdom's Hindu status was meaningless as it failed =
to
> > strengthen the democratic roots and provide food, water and
> educa=
tion
> > to the rural poor. Pro-Monarchy people couldn't establish their
> =
> credibility - they thrived on an anti-India note and kept
religious
> > =
affairs bound to the personal loyalty to the King which meant no
> > spirit=
ual insurgence could take shape and the religious discourse
> > remained li=
mited to ritualism. No strong nationalist spiritual
> fervour
> > was allo=
wed as King felt threatened hence no tears were seen at
the
> > demise of =
its Hindu nation status and the abolition of
> monarchy. ....
> > > =C2=A0=
> > > When the rulers turn corrupt and abuse peoples' faith and
trust,
> =
> public unrest and angst gets expressed in different ways. Nepal
saw
> i=
t
> > happen in the form of a Maoism that prided to declare it's all
the
>=
> sources of inspiration and support to the neighbouring Communist
> > Chi=
na. .......
> > > =C2=A0
> > > Prachanda took oath as the first Prime Minis=
ter of this tiny
> > Himalayan federal republic, once the only Hindu State =
on this
> planet,
> > in the name of the 'people of Nepal '.
> > >
> > >=
Earlier all the PMs had sworn in, invoking God's name. He
chose to
> > we=
ar a western dress, three piece suite with a necktie. Earlier
> > everyone =
had worn a Nepalese traditional dress called Daura
Suruwal.
> > He also be=
came the first PM not to visit Pashupati Nath, as has
been
> > the traditi=
on of all the Nepalese leaders and he chose to visit
> China
> > first, ag=
ain a new precedence, although our PM Dr Manmohan Singh
was
> > the first =
head of the state to congratulate Prachanda and invite
him
> > to visit In=
dia within half-an-hour of his election to the post.
> > > UNQUOTE
> > > =
=C2=A0
> > > =C2=A0
> > > The Nepali monarchy=C2=A0also had=C2=A0a Rajaguru=
:
> > > =C2=A0
> > >
> > >
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/06/27/stories/=
2002062703860100.htm
> > > Jun 27, 2002
> > > =C2=A0
> > > Good news in 3 =
months: Kanchi Acharya
> > > By Our Special Correspondent
> > > =C2=A0
>=
> >
> > >
> > > NEW DELHI JUNE 26. The Kanchi Sankaracharya, Jayendra
S=
araswati,
> who
> > met the Prime Minister, Atal Behari Vajpayee, and the =
Vice-
> President,
> > Krishan Kant, today asserted that he would continue =
with his
> > independent initiative to try and find a solution to the Ayodh=
ya
> > problem that would be agreeable to both the parties involved. He
> >=
expected "good news'' within two or three months.
> > > =C2=A0
> > > Dur=
ing the day, the King of Nepal, Gyanendra, performed `pada
> puja'
> > at =
the feet of Adi Sankara at the Kamakshi temple, which is also
the
> > plac=
e where the Kanchi seer stays when he is here. The King was
with
> > the Q=
ueen, Komal Rajyalaxmi, and their daughter, Prerna
Rajyalaxmi,
> > and the=
`puja' was performed in the presence of the
Sankaracharya
> who
> > is a=
lso the `rajguru' of Nepal. Earlier, he had clarified that
his
> > current=
visit to the capital was connected with King Gyanendra's
> > desire to mee=
t him.
> > > =C2=A0
> > > =C2=A0
> > > 2.=C2=A0 Tarun Vijay's essay also m=
entions:
> > > =C2=A0
> > > QUOTE
> > > It (Nepal) faithfully follows a Vik=
ram Samvat calendar based
on
> the
> > most scientific Hindu system of ti=
me and space.=C2=A0=C2=A0
> > > UNQUOTE
> > >
> > > =C2=A0
> > > =C2=A0
> =
> > --- On Thu, 25/9/08, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> wrote:
> > >
> > =
> From: Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@>
> > > Subject: [akandabaratam] Fwd:=
Re: "Vedic astrology" - the
greatest
> > fraud on the Vedas! (reposted)
>=
> > To: akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Thursday, 25 September, =
2008, 12:39 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In hindu=
civilization@ yahoogroups. com, "Avtar Krishen
Kaul"
> > > <jyotirved@ ..=
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Shri Bhadraiah Mallampalliji,
> > > Namaskar!
> =
> > I would request you to kindly go through your own post once
again.
> >=
>
> > > Can you pick even a single cogent reason from your own points
as=
> to
> > > why we should continue to follow the fraud known as Vedic
> =
astrology,
> > > which is neither scientific, nor logical, least of all Ve=
dic,
> > > instead of celebrating our festivals and muhurtas on correct
>=
days,
> > > as advised by our shastras, logic and science--since
> > > U=
ttarayana/Dakshina yana/Vasanta Sampat/Hemanta Sampat etc.
are
> all
> >=
> phenomena of seasons and therefore scientific! Similarly, all
the
> > =
> Vedas and Puranas have fixed certain days for rituals! E.g.,
> > > Nirja=
la Ekadashi is a sort of Tapasya only if we observe it in
> > > Summer, wh=
en we feel most thirsty, whereas in Winter, it is
> hardly
> > > worthwhi=
le! And that is what we will be doing after a few
> centuries-
> > > -cele=
brating that day in Winter--thanks to "Vedic astrologers"
> and
> > > the=
ir "Vedic astrology"
> > >
> > >
> >
>

2008 11:58:42 -0000
2008 11:58:42 -0000
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:58:40 -0000
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Namaskar Avtar Krishen Kaul ji
You would be doing a great service

and favo=
ur to everybody her if you could
please stop this thread now.
there are so =
many other forums
where it can be talked about
Jitender
--- In vedic-wis=
dom@yahoogroups.com, "Avtar Krishen Kaul"
<jyotirved@...> wrote:
>
> --- I=
n HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com, "Avtar Krishen Kaul"
> <jyotirved@> wrote=
:
>
> Shri Ravilochananji,
> Namaskar!
>
> <I concur with your views. NOw=
here is it said in our epics or
> Puranas that the Kings or Princes consul=
ted astrologers before
> marriage. Neither did Lord Ram consult an astrolo=
ger before taking
> part in the bow contest nor did Lord Krishna went in s=
earch of
> astrologers before departing to carry away Devi Rukmini.>
>
> =
The fad of kings consulting jyotishis was started through his
Brihat
> Sa=
mhita by Varahamihira who was the greatest charlatan according
to
> me s=
ince he could make "correct predictions from incorect data"
viz.
> pancha=
ngas based on Maya the mlechha's Surya Sidhanta, the most
> monstrous astr=
onomical work that could ever have been produced by
> anybody! No wonder,=
"Vedic astrologers" of today vie with one
> another for being called "Va=
rahamihira" since they also can make
> correct predictions ONLY from incor=
rect data!
>
> Regarding "Patri Melapak", what is most ironic is that
no =
"jyotisha
> shastra" right from Sphujidwaja's yavana Jatakam to the most
=
> notorious fake work viz. Brihat Parashari has touched this topic
> even=
with a barge pole, but then today's "Vedic jyotishis" say
that
> it was =
practised by Vedic seers! My personal view is that if the
> seers had re=
ally indulged in such a non-sense (actually the most
> cunning!) fad, almo=
st all of them would still have been looking
for
> a spouse whose Patri w=
ould match with theirs with at least 28
gunas!
>
> <It is high time that =
we gave up the ancient Greek notion of
> astrology and get back to proper =
astronomy.>
>
> This "Vedic astrology" has had such a deleterious affect o=
n the
real
> Vedic culture that the words of the Gita are becoming most
=
> meaningful these days:
> "adharmam dharmam it ya manyate tamsa vrita
> sa=
rvarthan vipareetanshchai, budhih saa partha tamasi"
> i.e.
> "an intellect=
that views adharma as dharma (and dharma as adharma)
> besides viewing all=
the things upside down, is the real Tamasic
> intellect".
>
> I find tha=
t almost every Hindu is trying to defend "Vedic
astrology"
> in spite of =
the fact that it has been made clear to them by now
that
> it is because =
of that very fad that we are celebrating all our
> festivals and muhurtas =
on worng days, but their arguments are
really
> tamasic---like "I do not =
know much about astronomy (and by
> implication it means that he/she knows=
everything about astrology
> though!)" is the stock reply of most of them=
.
>
> All the Hindus are now a days least bothered about celebrating
Pi=
tra-
> Amavasya on the day of actual Dipavali which is on September 28,
> =
2008, but they do not want to hear even a single word
against "Vedic
> as=
trology"! They celebrated marriages in actual Pitrapaksha
> because "Vedi=
c astrologes" had okayed those dates!
>
> What is surprising is that in =
spite of being well read, most of
the
> Hindus have lost all sense of bas=
ic Primary school level geography!
> They have become oblivious of the fact=
that Uttarayana cannot take
> place on any other day than the shortest da=
y of the year or
> Dakshinayana except on the longest day of the year! Bu=
t they have
> put wool into their ears for such phenomena since "Vedic
> =
astrologers" want them to celebrate Uttarayana on January 15 and
> Dakshin=
ayana on July 15 and so on!
>
> In short, most of the Hindu society appear=
s to have become clones
of
> Maya the mlechha just because of their fatal=
infatuation
with "Vedic
> astrology"! And that is the real Tamasic Vrit=
i that I am talking
> about!
>
> However, since, AS IS EVIDENT FROM YOUR =
POST, Hindus are basically
> the offspring of real Vamadevas instead of "i=
mported Vamadevas",
> sooner than later the genome of Vedic seers will rev=
olt against
this
> tyranny of "Vedic astrologers" and thereby prevent th=
e Hindu
> culture from having an akalamrityu, INSPITE OF "VEDIC ASTROLOGER=
S"!
> With regards,
> Avtar
>
>
>
>
> --- In HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.=
com, "Ravilochanan"
> <ravilochan_tn@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Shri Avtar
> > =
> > Pranaam! I concur with your views. NOwhere is it said in our
epics
>=
or
> > Puranas that the Kings or Princes consulted astrologers before
> =
> marriage. Neither did Lord Ram consult an astrologer before
taking
> > =
part in the bow contest nor did Lord Krishna went in search of
> > astrolo=
gers before departing to carry away Devi Rukmini. This
> > practice of mat=
ching kundli has reached absurd proportions. Our
> > dharma speaks about d=
oing our duty without concern for the
fruits.
> > Doing what is right is =
the most important issue. Karma phal will
> > finally reach us. One's karm=
aphal will not suddenly turn into
good
> > all of a sudden just because a=
kundli got matched. It doesn't
make
> > any sense. The Gita does not spe=
ak about jyotish phal. It only
> speaks
> > about karma phal. My heart bl=
eeds upon seeing some orthodox
Hindus
> > who have nearly mastered the as=
pect of Karma Yoga but still
visit
> the
> > astrologer with kundlis dur=
ing marriage just because their
parents
> > had (wrongly) taught them so.=
They believe it to be an integral
> part
> > of Vedic culture. It is hig=
h time that we gave up the ancient
> Greek
> > notion of astrology and ge=
t back to proper astronomy.
> >
> > humbly
> > Ravilochanan
> >
> >
> > =
--- In HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com, "Avtar Krishen Kaul"
> > <jyotirved@=
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Shri Arul Thilak ji,
> > > Namaskar!
> > >
> > > You =
have said
> > > < As to how=C2 the last=C2 Hindu=C2 kingdom was lost in the=
21st
> century,
> > > the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's recent essa=
y=C2 are
> > revealing.>
> > >
> > > It is immaterial as to who says what=
! In a democracy,
everybody
> is
> > > "authorized" to say anything abou=
t anybody or any event,
> especially
> > if
> > > the person concerned is=
a journalist! We have, however, to
> > ascertain
> > > facts for ourselv=
es by sifting grain from the chaff and go by
> them!
> > >
> > > You have=
quoted me as saying
> > > <Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a g=
laring
> > > example of its "suicide" because of an extraordinary
infatua=
tion
> > > for "Vedic astrology".>
> > > and there is enough of correspon=
dence on this topic in this
> forum!
> > >
> > > To summarize the facts, =
one has just to recall the tragic
event
> of
> > the
> > > erstwhile cro=
wn-prince shooting dead his parents---the then
king
> and
> > > queen---a=
nd then himself, only because his parents would not
> allow
> > him
> > >=
to marry his sweet heart! And the parents did not allow that
> > marriag=
e
> > > as the "Vedic astrologers" there had said that the horoscope
of
>=
the
> > > crown-prince and his sweet heart did not match and it would
bod=
e
> ill
> > > for the king and the queen if that marriage was allowed!
> >=
> And by now it is a well established fact that "Vedic
> astrologers"
> =
> only
> > > predict the events upside down, if the data like the date and =
> time
> > of
> > > birth etc. of the "native" are correct, since they ca=
n make
> correct
> > > predictions only from incorrect data! Thus instead=
of
advising
> the
> > > then king and queen to solemnize the marriage of=
the crown
> prince
> > with
> > > his sweet heart---she was also from a =
royal family of India----
as
> > > otherwise he would go mad, they just adv=
ised to the contrary!
> And
> > the
> > > results are there for everybod=
y to see! It is worthwhile to
put
> on
> > > record here that if it had =
been the earlier monarch, who was
> shot
> > dead
> > > by his own son, s=
till ruling Nepal, the things would have been
> > > entirely different and =
would not have come to such a stage.
> > >
> > > Same was the case with =
BJP! If they had not advance the last
> > General
> > > Election by sever=
al months, the chances were that they would
have
> > > gained a majority b=
y planning their moves properly and would
> still
> > be
> > > ruling tod=
ay! But they believed more in "Vedic astrology" than
> their
> > > own dru=
m-beating of "India shining". Even on the day the
results
> of
> > > the =
last election were declared, all the channels and
newspapers
> > were
> >=
> crying from housetops that as per all the jyotishis, A B
Vajpayee
> > >=
would be the PM, irrespective of which party gained majority!
> > However=
,
> > > the BJP's faith in "Vedic astrology" ruined everything for
them
>=
and
> > > poor A B Vajpayee, instead of being crowned the king again,
has=
> > become

> > > completely bedridden, a sad fact that no astrologer had =
foreseen!
> > >
> > > You have also said
> > > < It (Nepal) faithfully fo=
llows a Vikram Samvat calendar based
> on
> > the
> > > most scientific H=
indu system of time and space.=C2 =C2 >
> > >
> > > On this topic also, th=
ere is a lot of correspondence with
> > > IndiaArchaeology forum etc. that =
is available in this forum as
> > well.
> > > Again, instead of going by =
who is saying what, pl. peruse that
> > > correspondence and then let me kn=
ow as to whether there is any
> > > "scientific basis" of 58 BC being calle=
d as Vikrami era is!
If
> at
> > all
> > > it has any scientific basis,=
it is based on the passage of the
> VE
> > from
> > > one Greek constell=
ation Aries into another Greek constellation
> i.e.
> > > Pisces in around=
66 BCE! And nobody knows why and by whom and
> when
> > it
> > > was na=
med "Vikrami Era".
> > >
> > > I have also made it clear literally hundred=
s of times that my
> > aversion
> > > towards "Vedic astrology" is because=
of the fact that it is
> > actually a
> > > fraud on the Vedas and also a=
drag on Hindu society, since it
is
> > this
> > > very fad that is makin=
g us see adharma of celebrating all our
> > > festivals and muhurtas on wr=
ong days as dharma! Same is the
> case
> > with
> > > the all out defens=
e by some people of the farce known as "Vedic
> > > astrology"---they are a=
ctually defending adharma in the name
of
> > dharma!
> > > Hope the situa=
tion is clear now.
> > > Regards,
> > > AKK
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- =
In HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com, Arul T <arul_thilak@>
> wrote:
> > > >
>=
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > =C2=A0
> > > > 1.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Sri Avtar-j=
i says as follows:
> > > > =C2=A0
> > > > QUOTE
> > > > Our erstwhile Hindu=
neighbouring country is a glaring
> > > > example of its "suicide" becaus=
e of an extraordinary
> infatuation
> > > > for "Vedic astrology". So is =
the example of the BJP which
had
> > > > an "akalamrityu" by advanding th=
e last election by several
> months
> > on
> > > > the advice of its "Mi=
nister of Astrology"!
> > > > UNQUOTE
> > > >
> > > > =C2=A0
> > > > =C2=
=A0
> > > > As to how=C2=A0the last=C2=A0Hindu=C2=A0kingdom was lost in th=
e 21st
> century,
> > > the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's recent ess=
ay=C2=A0are
> > revealing.=C2=A0
> > > How, in particular, Hindu religious=
discourse was impoverished
> and
> > > limited to ritualism:
> > > > =C2=
=A0
> > > >
> > > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-
> 3=
482408,prtpage-
> > 1.cms
> > > > =C2=A0
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >=
>
> > > >
> > > > THE RIGHT VIEW
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lea=
rn Chinese to know Kathmandu
> > > > 14 Sep 2008, 1640 hrs IST, Tarun Vijay=
> > > >

> > > > =C2=A0
> > > > QUOTE
> > > > ..... Younger Nepal turned =
the tide in favour of a change
with
> a
> > > balance. Kingdom's Hindu st=
atus was meaningless as it failed to
> > > strengthen the democratic roots =
and provide food, water and
> > education
> > > to the rural poor. Pro-Mon=
archy people couldn't establish their
> > > credibility - they thrived on a=
n anti-India note and kept
> religious
> > > affairs bound to the personal=
loyalty to the King which meant
no
> > > spiritual insurgence could take =
shape and the religious
discourse
> > > remained limited to ritualism. No =
strong nationalist spiritual
> > fervour
> > > was allowed as King felt th=
reatened hence no tears were seen
at
> the
> > > demise of its Hindu nati=
on status and the abolition of
> > monarchy. ....
> > > > =C2=A0
> > > > W=
hen the rulers turn corrupt and abuse peoples' faith and
> trust,
> > > pu=
blic unrest and angst gets expressed in different ways.
Nepal
> saw
> > =
it
> > > happen in the form of a Maoism that prided to declare it's all
> =
the
> > > sources of inspiration and support to the neighbouring
Communist=
> > > China. .......

> > > > =C2=A0
> > > > Prachanda took oath as the fir=
st Prime Minister of this tiny
> > > Himalayan federal republic, once the o=
nly Hindu State on this
> > planet,
> > > in the name of the 'people of Ne=
pal '.
> > > >
> > > > Earlier all the PMs had sworn in, invoking God's n=
ame. He
> chose to
> > > wear a western dress, three piece suite with a ne=
cktie. Earlier
> > > everyone had worn a Nepalese traditional dress called =
Daura
> Suruwal.
> > > He also became the first PM not to visit Pashupati =
Nath, as
has
> been
> > > the tradition of all the Nepalese leaders and h=
e chose to
visit
> > China
> > > first, again a new precedence, although =
our PM Dr Manmohan
Singh
> was
> > > the first head of the state to congr=
atulate Prachanda and
invite
> him
> > > to visit India within half-an-ho=
ur of his election to the
post.
> > > > UNQUOTE
> > > > =C2=A0
> > > > =
=C2=A0
> > > > The Nepali monarchy=C2=A0also had=C2=A0a Rajaguru :
> > > > =
=C2=A0
> > > >
> > > >
> http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/06/27/stories/200=
2062703860100.htm
> > > > Jun 27, 2002
> > > > =C2=A0
> > > > Good news in=
3 months: Kanchi Acharya
> > > > By Our Special Correspondent
> > > > =
=C2=A0
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > NEW DELHI JUNE 26. The Kanchi Sankarachar=
ya, Jayendra
> Saraswati,
> > who
> > > met the Prime Minister, Atal Beha=
ri Vajpayee, and the Vice-
> > President,
> > > Krishan Kant, today asserte=
d that he would continue with his
> > > independent initiative to try and f=
ind a solution to the
Ayodhya
> > > problem that would be agreeable to bot=
h the parties involved.
He
> > > expected "good news'' within two or three=
months.
> > > > =C2=A0
> > > > During the day, the King of Nepal, Gyanen=
dra, performed
`pada
> > puja'
> > > at the feet of Adi Sankara at the Ka=
makshi temple, which is
also
> the
> > > place where the Kanchi seer stay=
s when he is here. The King
was
> with
> > > the Queen, Komal Rajyalaxmi,=
and their daughter, Prerna
> Rajyalaxmi,
> > > and the `puja' was perform=
ed in the presence of the
> Sankaracharya
> > who
> > > is also the `rajg=
uru' of Nepal. Earlier, he had clarified that
> his
> > > current visit to=
the capital was connected with King
Gyanendra's
> > > desire to meet him.=
> > > > =C2=A0

> > > > =C2=A0
> > > > 2.=C2=A0 Tarun Vijay's essay also m=
entions:
> > > > =C2=A0
> > > > QUOTE
> > > > It (Nepal) faithfully follows=
a Vikram Samvat calendar based
> on
> > the
> > > most scientific Hindu =
system of time and space.=C2=A0=C2=A0
> > > > UNQUOTE
> > > >
> > > > =C2=
=A0
> > > > =C2=A0
> > > > --- On Thu, 25/9/08, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirv=
ed@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@>
> > > > =
Subject: [akandabaratam] Fwd: Re: "Vedic astrology" - the
> greatest
> > >=
fraud on the Vedas! (reposted)
> > > > To: akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com
>=
> > > Date: Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 12:39 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > >=
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In hinducivilization@ yahoogroup=
s. com, "Avtar Krishen
> Kaul"
> > > > <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:
> > > >
> =
> > > Dear Shri Bhadraiah Mallampalliji,
> > > > Namaskar!
> > > > I would =
request you to kindly go through your own post once
> again.
> > > >
> > =
> > Can you pick even a single cogent reason from your own
points
> as
>=
> to
> > > > why we should continue to follow the fraud known as Vedic
>=
> astrology,
> > > > which is neither scientific, nor logical, least of a=
ll
Vedic,
> > > > instead of celebrating our festivals and muhurtas on co=
rrect
> > days,
> > > > as advised by our shastras, logic and science--si=
nce
> > > > Uttarayana/Dakshina yana/Vasanta Sampat/Hemanta Sampat etc.
>=
are
> > all
> > > > phenomena of seasons and therefore scientific! Simil=
arly,
all
> the
> > > > Vedas and Puranas have fixed certain days for ri=
tuals! E.g.,
> > > > Nirjala Ekadashi is a sort of Tapasya only if we obse=
rve it
in
> > > > Summer, when we feel most thirsty, whereas in Winter, i=
t is
> > hardly
> > > > worthwhile! And that is what we will be doing aft=
er a few
> > centuries-
> > > > -celebrating that day in Winter--thanks to=
"Vedic
astrologers"
> > and
> > > > their "Vedic astrology"
> > > >
> =
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> --- End forwarded message ---
>

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Namaste to all
i just finished my Aghora series

and in it in last part
Vim=
alanda says path of dharma is very personal.
Can somebody share views on th=
at and how can we approach
towards it
Does it has to do something with ve=
das and upanishads
regards
jitender
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Namaste,
As Vimalananda says, dharma is indeed personal. Krishna clearly says in
Bhagavad Geeta "Follow your own dharma. It is dangerous to follow someone
else's dharma".
Following the path of dharma basically means engaging in the right

action/duty. Right action varies from person to person, from time to time
and from place to place. It is dependent on what nature expects from you,
which in turn is based on who you have been in the past, what actions you
did in the past while identifying with the action, who you affected in the
past (and how) with the actions that you identified with, what debts you
created in the process, and what mental tendencies you accumulated until
now.
If, based on one's mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person
to kill evil persons, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's mental
tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person to spread the message of
uniformity of all religions, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's
mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person to spread the
ritual of homam in the world, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's
mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person to make a lot of
money and construct a temple, that becomes one's dharma.
* * *
The dharma of a being may change from one life to another.
At the time of Mahabharata war, it was Arjuna's dharma to kill his gurus,
elders and relatives. The time then was such that there was too much weight
on earth and nature wanted earth to be relieved of some weight. Tremendous
destruction was to take place and civilization destroyed to a great extent,
to welcome Kali yuga and set the tone for it. Arjuna being a great warrior,
it was his dharma to facilitate that. Some people he deeply loved and
respected were on the other side and it was his dharma to kill them.
When the same Arjuna was born again in the 19th century as one of
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa's sishyas (Swami Yogananda had been Arjuna in a
previous life, according to Ramakrishna), his dharma was different in this
new time and place. He was born to renounce material life despite his
aristocratic upbringing and live the simple life of a monk and inspire
generations to embrace a simple life of mental detachment and service to
others. When he is born again (which he has to, as per what Ramakrishna
said), his dharma based on the time and place may be something else.
* * *
The tricky question is: How does one decide what is one's dharma?
Some people have interpreted Krishna's words saying "follow your own dharma
and not someone else's dharma" in the light of castism. Though the concept
of caste (varna) has been there in Hinduism for a long time, the concept of
caste mobility was very much there. Valmiki was a shudra who lived by
killing birds. He became a brahmana and a maharshi later. Vishwamitra was a
kshatrita and a powerful king. He became a brahmana and and a maharshi
later. Basically varna shows one's aptitude. One starts off with the varna
of father, because that is what one is exposed to in childhood. As one
develops in life, one gets one's own varna based on what one does.
Thus, the misinterpretation of Krishna's words which tells you to know your
dharma from your caste is wrong. Moreover, there are not just 4 dharmas in
the world. Each person has individual dharma.
Knowing what one's dharma is is very very very difficult. If one is pure
enough, one will *know* one's dharma. In fact, all of us have a part of our
mind that tells us what our dharma is, but it is surrounded by a lot of
noise from other parts of our minds which tell other things. Thus, we get
confused.
We should make the best judgment combining discrimination and intuition and
decide what is our dharma and follow it sincerely. We may be err, but doing
the best we can is all that we can do!
More than following dharma, what is of utmost importance is to engage in

actions without identification. *That* alone ensures that we are not
accumulating new karmas, i.e. not increasing the load. We should not build
too much attachment to what we are doing. We should engage in the best
possible actions (based on our best judgment on what our dharma in the given
situation is), with as little attachment and self-identification with the
action as possible. When the action is finished, we should leave the result
to god. We should not think "I did it", "what will happen now", "will it
work" etc. Such adherence of nishkama karma yoga (unfication through
untached action) will simplify our ego and purify our consciousness slowly.
As we become purer, our mind will work sharper and tell our dharma clearer.
There is a positive feedback here. This will slowly enable us to see our
dharma clearly and follow it without incurring new karmas. This is not easy,
but not as difficult as people think.
The bottomline is: Even if one is not following one's dharma, one's sense of
"this is my dharma" gets refined with time if one engages in action with
little attachment.
* * *
In deciding one's dharma, one's intellect and intuition are the inputs.
Another external input is the words of scriptures and learned men. One can
derive one's dharma from them. A special place is given to one's spiritual
master. If one surrenders to a spiritual master, one can take the words of
the master to determine one's dharma and follow it sincerely.
When Arjuna was confused about what his dharma was and thought killing gurus
and relatives was not dharma, he had a guru in Krishna who clarified his
dharma. When Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was confused about his dharma
and wanted to renounce the world and go to a secluded place to do sadhana,
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa cried and prevailed upon him to stay in the material
world and do the work of Mother for him.
One who is not in tune with nature and does not know who one is, what one's
debts are and what nature expects from one can err in the judgment of what
one's dharma is. If one's guru is an elevated soul with a clear insight into
one's inner core, such a guru can give perfect guidance.
* * *
Bottomline is that I (or anybody) cannot outline a set of principles and

declare that as the dharma. No, dharma changes from person to person, from
time to time and from place to place. Also, there are no thumbrules to find
out what one's dharma is. But, one can refine one's understanding of one's
dharma by increasing internal purity. By doing various kinds of spiritual
sadhana (like homam, japam etc) and engaging in actions without much
attachment, one can slowly purify oneself and refine one's understanding of
one's individual dharma.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 8:02 AM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Dharma
> Namaste to all

>
> i just finished my Aghora series
> and in it in last part
> Vimalanda says path of dharma is very personal.
> Can somebody share views on that and how can we approach
> towards it
> Does it has to do something with vedas and upanishads
>
> regards
> jitender
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Namaste,
There are really two different things here.
Some people are bo=

rn with an amsa (part) of a rishi's consciousness. For example, Ramakrishna=
Paramahamsa said that Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was one of the seve=
n great rishis. Many people did meet him. Thus, meeting the physical manife=
station of an amsa of a rishi is not that difficult (though that also requi=
res some punya).
The second thing is to meet the physical manifestation o=

f the entire consciousness of a rishi. *That* is very very very difficult. =
As Vimalananda said, that may require a terrific amount of tapascharya (unl=
ess you are one of that rishi's people who came to do some work on earth an=
d have already done a terrific amount of tapascharya in past lives).
* =
* *
One may wonder: If rishis are so great, why do they not g=

et moksha and why do they remain in physical manifestation?
Though the fo=

llowing is essentially like a kindergartener explaining Einstein's theory o=
f general relativity to fellow kindergarteners, I will nevertheless try to =
explain it.
All that our senses perceive is Maya (delusion) that is creat=

ed by the power of duality. If the veil of delusion is removed, there is no=
duality and all is ONE uniform and undivided consciousness, known variousl=
y as Aatman or Brahman or Narayana or Sadashiva. This one uniform and undiv=
ided consciousness is known as "unmanifested Brahman". The world of duality=
, where there are many different objects, is also actually Brahman only, bu=
t Brahman that went through some modification and manifestation. It is know=
n as "manifested Brahman". Both are Brahman only.
Normally, living in the=

domain of duality without being deluded by some aspect of duality or the o=
ther is near to impossible. Remaining in duality with a perfect understandi=
ng of the underlying oneness of all objects and perceiving all those object=
s of duality without experiencing attraction or repulsion for any single ob=
ject of duality is almost impossible. Most spiritual aspirants try to reach=
the state of oneness with unmanifested Brahman - a state in which there is=
no duality and no objectification - and become absorbed in that state fore=
ver. That is the advaitic experience of "nirvikalpa samadhi" and what happe=
ns in "moksha".
However, maharshis have described higher states. It is po=

ssible to be in oneness with manifested Brahman and unmanifested Brahman at=
the same time. It is possible to remain in duality, with the senses percei=
ving objects of duality, and yet remain in oneness with the underlying onen=
ess (Brahman) of all obejcts and not be deluded, i.e. not experience either=
attraction or repulsion for any object of duality. Mere perception of obje=
cts by the senses is not the problem. The tendency of mind to be find some =
attractive and find some repulsive is the problem. It is possible to remain=
in a state where there is neither attraction nor repulsion for any object =
is possible.
Such a state is experienced by very few beings. Ramakrishna =

Paramahamsa, Shirdi Sai Baba etc were in this state always. Swami Vivekanan=
da also experienced it.
Rishis are beings who are always in a very high s=

tate. They are always alert to the maya and yet not stuck in it. They perce=
ive objects of duality and yet are not attracted or repelled by anything. I=
f one overcomes attraction and repulsion and yet remains in duality, one ca=
n pretty much do anything. But because one is neither attracted or repelled=
by anything, it means one has no personal ego and one has no reason to do =
anything for personal ego. Then one becomes an instrument of nature (Prakri=
ti) and implements the wish of nature through one's actions, which are perf=
ormed without any attachment or personal identification. One who has a pers=
onal ego can do limited things. One who has a very very small ego can do gr=
eat things. One who has no ego can do ANY thing. But such a being does thin=
gs that are desired by Nature - the natural order of the universe. They can=
change the course of history of nations and planets.
A rishi in this sta=

te may engage in various actions of great consequence for the world. Yet, t=
here is no attachment with the actions. He is just an unattached instrument=
of Nature.
If one gets out of the duality and becomes absorbed in unmani=

fested Brahman forever, one is not born again. But a rishi who has an equal=
vision of unmanifested and manifested Brahman is for ever mukta (liberated=
). Thus, he will freely interact with duality without any fear or aversion.=
Amsa of such a rishi may even be born again as a separate person, just as =
a process running in a computer may spawn off a separate thread to do some =
focussed task. Even if the computer process has finished all the initializa=
tion and early work, the newly spawned thread has to go through initializat=
ion etc again. Similarly, the person born with amsa has to go through the p=
rocess of overcoming weaknesses and realizing self all over again. When a V=
ivekananda is born from the amsa of a rishi, he may have to struggle initia=
lly and overcome the weaknesses and realize self all over again. But he is =
the amsa of an ever free and liberated being and will find his way again.
=
Thus, a liberated rishi, with the force of his liberated consciousness and=
with the force of his reborn amsas, will act as an unattached instrument o=
f Nature performing actions of tremendous consequences without any personal=
ego driving those actions.
* * *
Worshipping the rishi o=

f one's gotra and getting his blessings is a very good idea. In general, ge=
tting the blessings of ANY rishi is a great idea. Pursuing the rishi of one=
's gotra is relatively easier for most people. But, if one has a connection=
with a specific rishi (apart from the rishi of one's gotra), one can worsh=
ip that rishi. However, it is not easy to know that.
Suppose several mant=

ras you find natural attraction for have the descendants of a specific Maha=
rshi as the rishi. Then you may have a connection with that Maharshi. You c=
an try praying to him.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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dom
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Fr=
om: rajarshi nandy
Sent: Thursday, S=
eptember 25, 2008 1:30 AM
Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Anyone knows ma=
ntra for Kashyap Rishi?
Dear Narasimhaji
I had a question=
about Rishis. In the Aghora books, it is mentioned that the Rishis of yest=
eryears are still alive and roam around in this planet. There are signs on =
their body.And that only some who has done terrific amount of tapashya is e=
ligible to meet a Rishi. And also that praying to Rishi of ones gotra can h=
elp to acclerate ones spirtual progress. Kindly enlighten us with your thou=
ghts on this topic. I am really curious..
Thanks in advance.
=
-Regards
Rajarshi
"This above all: to thine own self =

be true!" - Hamlet
--- On Thu, 25/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr=

@...> wrote:
From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...=

>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Anyone knows mantra for Kashyap Ris=
hi?
To: vedic-astrology@yahoogroups.com, vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups=
.com, sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, sivacharya@yahoogroups.com
Date: T=
hursday, 25 September, 2008, 5:36 AM
Dear Prasad,
I =
do not know any specific mantra. I know many mantras for which Kashyapa is =
rishi, but no mantra to pray to Kashyapa himself.
There are many=

mantras for Prajapati in general ("prajaapate na tvadetaanyanyo. .."), but=
I don't know a mantra specifically to worship Kashyapa.
If you =
perform a homam, you can add the following line after the poorvaangam (init=
ial five aahutis) and before the uttarangam.
Om kashyapaaya swaa=
haa. kashyapaayedam na mama.
Say it and make an offering of ghee=

for Kashyapa.
Another way to worship a rishi is to take section=

of Veda for which he is the rishi and try to experience that section. You =
can simply pick one rik for which Kashyapa is rishi and keep meditating on =
that rik. You can close your eyes, keep back straight and repeat the rik me=
ntally with swaram without moving and do that everyday for a certain amount=
of time. Oneday the rishi may be pleased with you and you may experience s=
omething.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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hyap Rishi for worship. I am doing tarpana, so it does have offering oblati=
ons to Kashyap Rishi, but I would like to know specific mantra for worship.=
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e=3D2>There are really two different things
here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
Some people are born with an amsa (part) of a
rishi's consciousness. =
For example, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa said that
Narendranath (Swami Vivekan=
anda) was one of the seven great rishis. Many people
did meet him. Thus, m=
eeting the physical manifestation of an amsa of a rishi is
not that diffic=
ult (though that also requires some punya).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The sec=
ond thing is to meet the physical
manifestation of the entire consciousnes=
s of a rishi. *That* is very very very
difficult. As Vimalananda said, tha=
t may require a terrific amount of
tapascharya (unless you are one of that=
rishi's people who came to do some work
on earth and have already done a =
terrific amount of tapascharya in past
lives).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
bsp;
* &n=
bsp; *</FONT></DIV>
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One may wonder: If rishis are so great=
, why do they
not get moksha and why do they remain in physical manifestat=
ion?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Though the following is essentially like a
ki=
ndergartener explaining Einstein's theory of general relativity to fellow
=
kindergarteners, I will nevertheless try to explain it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
=3D2>All that our senses perceive is Maya (delusion)
that is created by th=
e power of duality. If the veil of delusion is removed,
there is no dualit=
y and all is ONE uniform and undivided consciousness, known
variously as A=
atman or Brahman or Narayana or Sadashiva. This one uniform and
undivided =
consciousness is known as "unmanifested Brahman". The world of
duality, wh=
ere there are many different objects, is also actually Brahman only,
but B=
rahman that went through some modification and manifestation. It is known
=
as "manifested Brahman". Both are Brahman only.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nor=
mally, living in the domain of duality without
being deluded by some aspec=
t of duality or the other is near to impossible.
Remaining in duality with=
a perfect understanding of the underlying oneness of
all objects and perc=
eiving all those objects of duality without experiencing
attraction or rep=
ulsion for any single object of duality is almost impossible.
Most spiritu=
al aspirants try to reach the state of oneness with unmanifested
Brahman -=
a state in which there is no duality and no objectification - and
become =
absorbed in that state forever. That is the advaitic experience of
"nirvik=
alpa samadhi" and what happens in "moksha".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However=
, maharshis have described higher states. It
is possible to be in oneness =
with manifested Brahman and unmanifested Brahman at
the same time. It is p=
ossible to remain in duality, with the senses perceiving
objects of dualit=
y, and yet remain in oneness with the underlying oneness
(Brahman) of all =
obejcts and not be deluded, i.e. not experience either
attraction or repul=
sion for any object of duality. Mere perception of objects by
the senses i=
s not the problem. The tendency of mind to be find some attractive
and fin=
d some repulsive is the problem. It is possible to remain in a state
where=
there is neither attraction nor repulsion for any object is
possible.</FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT f=
ace=3DArial size=3D2>Such a state is experienced by very few beings.
Ramak=
rishna Paramahamsa, Shirdi Sai Baba etc were in this state always. Swami
V=
ivekananda also experienced it.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rishis are beings=
who are always in a very high
state. They are always alert to the maya an=
d yet not stuck in it. They perceive
objects of duality and yet are not at=
tracted or repelled by anything. If one
overcomes attraction and repulsion=
and yet remains in duality, one can pretty
much do anything. But because =
one is neither attracted or repelled by anything,
it means one has no pers=
onal ego and one has no reason to do anything for
personal ego. Then one b=
ecomes an instrument of nature (Prakriti) and implements
the wish of natur=
e through one's actions, which are performed without any
attachment or per=
sonal identification. One who has a personal ego can do
limited thing=
s. One who has a very very small ego can do great things. One who
has no e=
go can do ANY thing. But such a being does things that are desired by
Natu=
re - the natural order of the universe. They can change the course of
hist=
ory of nations and planets.</FONT></DIV>
nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A rishi in this state m=
ay engage in various actions
of great consequence for the world. Yet, ther=
e is no attachment with the
actions. He is just an unattached instrument o=
f Nature.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If one gets out of the duality and become=
s absorbed
in unmanifested Brahman forever, one is not born again. But a r=
ishi who has an
equal vision of unmanifested and manifested Brahman is for=
ever mukta
(liberated). Thus, he will freely interact with duality withou=
t any fear or
aversion. Amsa of such a rishi may even be born again as a s=
eparate person, just
as a process running in a computer may spawn off a se=
parate thread to do some
focussed task. Even if the computer process has f=
inished all the initialization
and early work, the newly spawned thread ha=
s to go through initialization etc
again. Similarly, the person born with =
amsa has to go through the process of
overcoming weaknesses and realizing =
self all over again. When a Vivekananda
is born from the amsa of a ri=
shi, he may have to struggle initially and overcome
the weaknesses and rea=
lize self all over again. But he is the amsa of an ever
free and liberated=
being and will find his way again.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thus, a liberat=
ed rishi, with the force of his
liberated consciousness and with the force=
of his reborn amsas, will act as an
unattached instrument of Nature perfo=
rming actions of tremendous consequences
without any personal ego driving =
those actions.</FONT></DIV>
/DIV>
<DIV>
;
* *</FONT></DIV></=
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>Worshipping the rishi of one's gotra and getting
his ble=
ssings is a very good idea. In general, getting the blessings of ANY
rishi=
is a great idea. Pursuing the rishi of one's gotra is relatively easier
f=
or most people. But, if one has a connection with a specific rishi (apart f=
rom
the rishi of one's gotra), one can worship that rishi. However, it is =
not easy
to know that.</FONT></DIV>
;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Suppose several mantras you=
find natural attraction
for have the descendants of a specific Maharshi a=
s the rishi. Then you may have
a connection with that Maharshi. You can tr=
y praying to him.</FONT></DIV>
T></DIV>
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<DIV=
style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dvedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.=
com
href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@yahoogroup=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday=
, September 25, 2008 1:30
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>=
Subject:</B> Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Anyone
knows mantra for Kashyap Rish=
i?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=
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2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT
face=3DArial siz=
e=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR>Dear
Narasimha=
ji</DIV>
=
<DIV>I had a question about Rishis. In the Aghora books, it is mentioned=
that the Rishis of yesteryears are still alive and roam around in=
this
planet. There are signs on their body.And that only some who=
has done
terrific amount of tapashya is eligible to meet a Rishi.=
And also that
praying to Rishi of ones gotra can help to acclerat=
e ones spirtual
progress. Kindly enlighten us with your thoughts o=
n this topic. I am
really curious..</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV>Thanks in advance.</DIV>=

<DIV>=
-Regards</DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRO=
NG>
style=3D"FONT-SIZ=
E: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This above
all: to th=
ine own self be true!" -
Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM=
></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu,
25/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><=
;pvr@...></I></B>
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
=
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255=
) 2px solid">From:
Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...><=
BR>Subject:
[vedic-wisdom] Re: Anyone knows mantra for Kashyap R=
ishi?<BR>To:
vedic-astrology@yahoogroups.com, vedic-wisdom@yahoo=
groups.com,
sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, sivacharya@yahoogroups.com<=
BR>Date: Thursday,
25 September, 2008, 5:36 AM<BR><BR>
=
<DIV id=3Dyiv575864938>
<DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Prasad,</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2>I do not know any specific mantra. I know
=
many mantras for which Kashyapa is rishi, but no mantra to pray to
=
Kashyapa himself.</FONT></DIV>
2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There are =
many mantras for Prajapati in
general ("prajaapate na tvadetaany=
anyo. .."), but I don't know a
mantra specifically to worship Ka=
shyapa.</FONT></DIV>
p;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you perform a homam,=
you can add the
following line after the poorvaangam (initial f=
ive aahutis) and before
the uttarangam.</FONT></DIV>
<=
<DIV><FONT fa=
ce=3DArial size=3D2>Om kashyapaaya swaahaa. kashyapaayedam na
ma=
ma.</FONT></DIV>
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Say it and make an offering=
of ghee
for Kashyapa.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
ize=3D2>Another way to worship a rishi is to take
section of Ved=
a for which he is the rishi and try to experience that
section. =
You can simply pick one rik for which Kashyapa is rishi and
keep=
meditating on that rik. You can close your eyes, keep back
stra=
ight and repeat the rik mentally with swaram without moving and do
=
that everyday for a certain amount of time. Oneday the rishi may be
=
pleased with you and you may experience something.</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><=
FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>-------=
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<DIV>=
<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Dear Respected Members,<BR>>
=
<BR>> My gotra is Kashyap. I would like to know if there is any
=
specific mantra of Kashyap Rishi for worship. I am doing tarpana, so
=
it does have offering oblations to Kashyap Rishi, but I would like=
to
know specific mantra for worship.<BR>> <BR>> <BR=
>>
Thanks & Regards, <BR>> Prasad A. Pole
<=
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Rao <pvr@...>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Dharma
To: vedic-wisdom@y=
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Date: Sunday, 28 September, 2=
008, 12:11 AM
Namaste,
As Vimalananda says, dharma is indeed persona=

l. Krishna clearly says in
Bhagavad Geeta "Follow your own dharma. It is d=
angerous to follow someone
else's dharma".
Following the path of dharma b=

asically means engaging in the right
action/duty. Right action varies from=
person to person, from time to time
and from place to place. It is depend=
ent on what nature expects from you,
which in turn is based on who you hav=
e been in the past, what actions you
did in the past while identifying wit=
h the action, who you affected in the
past (and how) with the actions that=
you identified with, what debts you
created in the process, and what ment=
al tendencies you accumulated until
now.
If, based on one's mental tenden=

cies and karmic debts, nature wants a person
to kill evil persons, that be=
comes one's dharma. If, based on one's mental
tendencies and karmic debts,=
nature wants a person to spread the message of
uniformity of all religion=
s, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's
mental tendencies and kar=
mic debts, nature wants a person to spread the
ritual of homam in the worl=
d, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's
mental tendencies and kar=
mic debts, nature wants a person to make a lot of
money and construct a te=
mple, that becomes one's dharma.
* * *
The dharma of a being may change f=

rom one life to another.
At the time of Mahabharata war, it was Arjuna's d=

harma to kill his gurus,
elders and relatives. The time then was such that=
there was too much weight
on earth and nature wanted earth to be relieved=
of some weight. Tremendous
destruction was to take place and civilization=
destroyed to a great extent,
to welcome Kali yuga and set the tone for it=
. Arjuna being a great warrior,
it was his dharma to facilitate that. Some=
people he deeply loved and
respected were on the other side and it was hi=
s dharma to kill them.
When the same Arjuna was born again in the 19th cen=
tury as one of
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s sishyas (Swami Yogananda had bee=
n Arjuna in a
previous life, according to Ramakrishna) , his dharma was di=
fferent in this
new time and place. He was born to renounce material life =
despite his
aristocratic upbringing and live the simple life of a monk and=
inspire
generations to embrace a simple life of mental detachment and ser=
vice to
others. When he is born again (which he has to, as per what Ramakr=
ishna
said), his dharma based on the time and place may be something else.=
* * *
=
Some people have interpreted Krishna's words saying "follow your own dharm=
a
and not someone else's dharma" in the light of castism. Though the conce=
pt
of caste (varna) has been there in Hinduism for a long time, the concep=
t of
caste mobility was very much there. Valmiki was a shudra who lived by=
killing birds. He became a brahmana and a maharshi later. Vishwamitra was=

a
kshatrita and a powerful king. He became a brahmana and and a maharshi =
later. Basically varna shows one's aptitude. One starts off with the varna=

d=
evelops in life, one gets one's own varna based on what one does.
Thus, th=
e misinterpretation of Krishna's words which tells you to know your
dharma=
from your caste is wrong. Moreover, there are not just 4 dharmas in
the w=
orld. Each person has individual dharma.
Knowing what one's dharma is is v=
ery very very difficult. If one is pure
enough, one will *know* one's dhar=
ma. In fact, all of us have a part of our
mind that tells us what our dhar=
ma is, but it is surrounded by a lot of
noise from other parts of our mind=
s which tell other things. Thus, we get
confused.
We should make the best=

judgment combining discrimination and intuition and
decide what is our dh=
arma and follow it sincerely. We may be err, but doing
the best we can is =
all that we can do!
More than following dharma, what is of utmost importan=

ce is to engage in
actions without identification. *That* alone ensures th=
at we are not
accumulating new karmas, i.e. not increasing the load. We sh=
ould not build
too much attachment to what we are doing. We should engage =
in the best
possible actions (based on our best judgment on what our dharm=
a in the given
situation is), with as little attachment and self-identific=
ation with the
action as possible. When the action is finished, we should =
leave the result
to god. We should not think "I did it", "what will happen=
now", "will it
work" etc. Such adherence of nishkama karma yoga (unficati=
on through
untached action) will simplify our ego and purify our conscious=
ness slowly.
As we become purer, our mind will work sharper and tell our d=
harma clearer.
There is a positive feedback here. This will slowly enable =
us to see our
dharma clearly and follow it without incurring new karmas. T=
his is not easy,
The bottomline is:=

Even if one is not following one's dharma, one's sense of
"this is my dha=
rma" gets refined with time if one engages in action with
little attachmen=
t.
* * *
In deciding one's dharma, one's intellect and intuition are the =

inputs.
Another external input is the words of scriptures and learned men.=
One can
derive one's dharma from them. A special place is given to one's =
spiritual
master. If one surrenders to a spiritual master, one can take th=
e words of
=
When Arjuna was confused about what his dharma was and thought killing guru=
s
and relatives was not dharma, he had a guru in Krishna who clarified his=
dharma. When Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was confused about his dhar=
ma
and wanted to renounce the world and go to a secluded place to do sadha=
na,
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa cried and prevailed upon him to stay in the ma=
terial
One who is not in tune wi=

th nature and does not know who one is, what one's
debts are and what natu=
re expects from one can err in the judgment of what
one's dharma is. If on=
e's guru is an elevated soul with a clear insight into
one's inner core, s=
uch a guru can give perfect guidance.
* * *
Bottomline is that I (or anyb=

ody) cannot outline a set of principles and
declare that as the dharma. No=
, dharma changes from person to person, from
time to time and from place t=
o place. Also, there are no thumbrules to find
out what one's dharma is. B=
ut, one can refine one's understanding of one's
dharma by increasing inter=
nal purity. By doing various kinds of spiritual
sadhana (like homam, japam=
etc) and engaging in actions without much
attachment, one can slowly puri=
fy oneself and refine one's understanding of
Bes=
t regards,
Narasimha
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -=
-------- -
Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homa=
m
Spir=
ituality: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom
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s (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net
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s): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org
Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: htt=
p://www.SriJagan nath.org
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From: "dahiyajiten" <dahiya=
jiten@ yahoo.co. in>
To: <vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Saturday, S=
eptember 27, 2008 8:02 AM
> Namaste to all

=
>
> Vimalanda s=
ays path of dharma is very personal.
> Can somebody share views on that and=
how can we approach
> towards it
> Does it has to do something with vedas =
and upanishads
>
> regards
> jitender
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;">Excellent explanation about Dharma indeed Sir=
. This shows your depth of thorough knowledge ! Thanks for guiding us.<BR><=
BR><FONT face=3D"comic sans ms" color=3D#212143><STRONG>Dr.Ashwin Rawal</ST=
RONG></FONT><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 28/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr=
@...></I></B> wrote:<BR>
.V.R. Rao <pvr@...><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Dharma<BR>=
To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Cc: sivacharya@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date:=
Sunday, 28 September, 2008, 12:11 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv1449479209>
<DIV=
id=3Dygrp-text>
<DIV>Namaste,<BR><BR>As Vimalananda says, dharma is indeed=
personal. Krishna clearly says in <BR>Bhagavad Geeta "Follow your own dhar=
ma. It is dangerous to follow someone <BR>else's dharma".<BR><BR>Following =
the path of dharma basically means engaging in the right <BR>action/duty. R=
ight action varies from person to person, from time to time <BR>and from pl=
ace to place. It is dependent on what nature expects from you, <BR>which in=
turn is based on who you have been in the past, what actions you <BR>did i=
n the past while identifying with the action, who you affected in the <BR>p=
ast (and how) with the actions that you identified with, what debts you <BR=
>created in the process, and what mental tendencies you accumulated until <=
BR>now.<BR><BR>If, based on one's mental tendencies and karmic debts, natur=
e wants a person <BR>to kill evil persons, that becomes one's dharma. If, b=
ased on one's mental <BR>tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person=
to spread
the message of <BR>uniformity of all religions, that becomes on=
e's dharma. If, based on one's <BR>mental tendencies and karmic debts, natu=
re wants a person to spread the <BR>ritual of homam in the world, that beco=
mes one's dharma. If, based on one's <BR>mental tendencies and karmic debts=
, nature wants a person to make a lot of <BR>money and construct a temple, =
that becomes one's dharma.<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>The dharma of a being may ch=
ange from one life to another.<BR><BR>At the time of Mahabharata war, it wa=
s Arjuna's dharma to kill his gurus, <BR>elders and relatives. The time the=
n was such that there was too much weight <BR>on earth and nature wanted ea=
rth to be relieved of some weight. Tremendous <BR>destruction was to take p=
lace and civilization destroyed to a great extent, <BR>to welcome Kali yuga=
and set the tone for it. Arjuna being a great warrior, <BR>it was his dhar=
ma to facilitate that. Some people he deeply loved and <BR>respected were o=
n
the other side and it was his dharma to kill them.<BR><BR>When the same =
Arjuna was born again in the 19th century as one of <BR>Ramakrishna Paramah=
amsa' s sishyas (Swami Yogananda had been Arjuna in a <BR>previous life, ac=
cording to Ramakrishna) , his dharma was different in this <BR>new time and=
place. He was born to renounce material life despite his <BR>aristocratic =
upbringing and live the simple life of a monk and inspire <BR>generations t=
o embrace a simple life of mental detachment and service to <BR>others. Whe=
n he is born again (which he has to, as per what Ramakrishna <BR>said), his=
dharma based on the time and place may be something else.<BR><BR>* * *<BR>=
<BR>The tricky question is: How does one decide what is one's dharma?<BR><B=
R>Some people have interpreted Krishna's words saying "follow your own dhar=
ma <BR>and not someone else's dharma" in the light of castism. Though the c=
oncept <BR>of caste (varna) has been there in Hinduism for a long
time, th=
e concept of <BR>caste mobility was very much there. Valmiki was a shudra w=
ho lived by <BR>killing birds. He became a brahmana and a maharshi later. V=
ishwamitra was a <BR>kshatrita and a powerful king. He became a brahmana an=
d and a maharshi <BR>later. Basically varna shows one's aptitude. One start=
s off with the varna <BR>of father, because that is what one is exposed to =
in childhood. As one <BR>develops in life, one gets one's own varna based o=
n what one does.<BR><BR>Thus, the misinterpretation of Krishna's words whic=
h tells you to know your <BR>dharma from your caste is wrong. Moreover, the=
re are not just 4 dharmas in <BR>the world. Each person has individual dhar=
ma.<BR><BR>Knowing what one's dharma is is very very very difficult. If one=
is pure <BR>enough, one will *know* one's dharma. In fact, all of us have =
a part of our <BR>mind that tells us what our dharma is, but it is surround=
ed by a lot of <BR>noise from other parts of our minds
which tell other th=
ings. Thus, we get <BR>confused.<BR><BR>We should make the best judgment co=
mbining discrimination and intuition and <BR>decide what is our dharma and =
follow it sincerely. We may be err, but doing <BR>the best we can is all th=
at we can do!<BR><BR>More than following dharma, what is of utmost importan=
ce is to engage in <BR>actions without identification. *That* alone ensures=
that we are not <BR>accumulating new karmas, i.e. not increasing the load.=
We should not build <BR>too much attachment to what we are doing. We shoul=
d engage in the best <BR>possible actions (based on our best judgment on wh=
at our dharma in the given <BR>situation is), with as little attachment and=
self-identification with the <BR>action as possible. When the action is fi=
nished, we should leave the result <BR>to god. We should not think "I did i=
t", "what will happen now", "will it <BR>work" etc. Such adherence of nishk=
ama karma yoga (unfication through <BR>untached
action) will simplify our =
ego and purify our consciousness slowly. <BR>As we become purer, our mind w=
ill work sharper and tell our dharma clearer. <BR>There is a positive feedb=
ack here. This will slowly enable us to see our <BR>dharma clearly and foll=
ow it without incurring new karmas. This is not easy, <BR>but not as diffic=
ult as people think.<BR><BR>The bottomline is: Even if one is not following=
one's dharma, one's sense of <BR>"this is my dharma" gets refined with tim=
e if one engages in action with <BR>little attachment.<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>=
In deciding one's dharma, one's intellect and intuition are the inputs. <BR=
>Another external input is the words of scriptures and learned men. One can=
<BR>derive one's dharma from them. A special place is given to one's spiri=
tual <BR>master. If one surrenders to a spiritual master, one can take the =
words of <BR>the master to determine one's dharma and follow it sincerely.<=
BR><BR>When Arjuna was confused about
what his dharma was and thought kill=
ing gurus <BR>and relatives was not dharma, he had a guru in Krishna who cl=
arified his <BR>dharma. When Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was confused =
about his dharma <BR>and wanted to renounce the world and go to a secluded =
place to do sadhana, <BR>Ramakrishna Paramahamsa cried and prevailed upon h=
im to stay in the material <BR>world and do the work of Mother for him.<BR>=
<BR>One who is not in tune with nature and does not know who one is, what o=
ne's <BR>debts are and what nature expects from one can err in the judgment=
of what <BR>one's dharma is. If one's guru is an elevated soul with a clea=
r insight into <BR>one's inner core, such a guru can give perfect guidance.=
<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>Bottomline is that I (or anybody) cannot outline a set=
of principles and <BR>declare that as the dharma. No, dharma changes from =
person to person, from <BR>time to time and from place to place. Also, ther=
e are no thumbrules to find
<BR>out what one's dharma is. But, one can ref=
ine one's understanding of one's <BR>dharma by increasing internal purity. =
By doing various kinds of spiritual <BR>sadhana (like homam, japam etc) and=
engaging in actions without much <BR>attachment, one can slowly purify one=
self and refine one's understanding of <BR>one's individual dharma.<BR><BR>=
Best regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------ --------- --------- --------- --=
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iten" <<A href=3D"mailto:dahiyajiten%40yahoo.co.in" target=3D_blank rel=
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@ yahoogroups. com</A>><BR>Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 8:02 AM<BR=
>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Dharma<BR><BR>> Namaste to all<BR>><BR>> =
i just finished my Aghora series<BR>> and in it in last part<BR>> Vim=
alanda says path of dharma is very personal.<BR>> Can
somebody share vi=
ews on that and how can we approach<BR>> towards it<BR>> Does it has =
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=C2=A0
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From: Narasimha P.=

V.R. Rao <pvr@...>
To: vedic-wis=
dom@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 28 Septemb=
er, 2008, 12:11 AM
Namaste,
As Vimalananda says, dharma is indeed pe=

rsonal. Krishna clearly says in
Bhagavad Geeta "Follow your own dharma. It=
is dangerous to follow someone
else's dharma".
Following the path of dha=

rma basically means engaging in the right
action/duty. Right action varies=
from person to person, from time to time
and from place to place. It is d=
ependent on what nature expects from you,
which in turn is based on who yo=
u have been in the past, what actions you
did in the past while identifyin=
g with the action, who you affected in the
past (and how) with the actions=
that you identified with, what debts you
created in the process, and what=
mental tendencies you accumulated until
now.
If, based on one's mental t=

endencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person
to kill evil persons, th=
at becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's mental
tendencies and karmic d=
ebts, nature wants a person to spread the message of
uniformity of all rel=
igions, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's
mental tendencies an=
d karmic debts, nature wants a person to spread the
ritual of homam in the=
world, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's
mental tendencies an=
d karmic debts, nature wants a person to make a lot of
money and construct=
a temple, that becomes one's dharma.
* * *
The dharma of a being may cha=

nge from one life to another.
At the time of Mahabharata war, it was Arjun=

a's dharma to kill his gurus,
elders and relatives. The time then was such=
that there was too much weight
on earth and nature wanted earth to be rel=
ieved of some weight. Tremendous
destruction was to take place and civiliz=
ation destroyed to a great extent,
to welcome Kali yuga and set the tone f=
or it. Arjuna being a great warrior,
it was his dharma to facilitate that.=
Some people he deeply loved and
respected were on the other side and it w=
as his dharma to kill them.
When the same Arjuna was born again in the 19t=

h century as one of
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s sishyas (Swami Yogananda ha=
d been Arjuna in a
previous life, according to Ramakrishna) , his dharma w=
as different in this
new time and place. He was born to renounce material =
life despite his
aristocratic upbringing and live the simple life of a mon=
k and inspire
generations to embrace a simple life of mental detachment an=
d service to
others. When he is born again (which he has to, as per what R=
amakrishna
said), his dharma based on the time and place may be something =
else.
* * *
The tricky question is: How does one decide what is one's dha=
rma?
Some people have interpreted Krishna's words saying "follow your own =
dharma
and not someone else's dharma" in the light of castism. Though the =
concept
of caste (varna) has been there in Hinduism for a long time, the c=
oncept of
caste mobility was very much there. Valmiki was a shudra who liv=
ed by
killing birds. He became a brahmana and a maharshi later. Vishwamitr=
a was a
kshatrita and a powerful king. He became a brahmana and and a maha=
rshi
later. Basically varna shows one's aptitude. One starts off with the =
varna
of father, because that is what one is exposed to in childhood. As o=
ne
Thu=
s, the misinterpretation of Krishna's words which tells you to know your
d=
harma from your caste is wrong. Moreover, there are not just 4 dharmas in
=
Knowing what one's dharma is=

is very very very difficult. If one is pure
enough, one will *know* one's=
dharma. In fact, all of us have a part of our
mind that tells us what our=
dharma is, but it is surrounded by a lot of
noise from other parts of our=
minds which tell other things. Thus, we get
confused.
We should make the=

best judgment combining discrimination and intuition and
decide what is o=
ur dharma and follow it sincerely. We may be err, but doing
the best we ca=
n is all that we can do!
More than following dharma, what is of utmost imp=

ortance is to engage in
actions without identification. *That* alone ensur=
es that we are not
accumulating new karmas, i.e. not increasing the load. =
We should not build
too much attachment to what we are doing. We should en=
gage in the best
possible actions (based on our best judgment on what our =
dharma in the given
situation is), with as little attachment and self-iden=
tification with the
action as possible. When the action is finished, we sh=
ould leave the result
to god. We should not think "I did it", "what will h=
appen now", "will it
work" etc. Such adherence of nishkama karma yoga (unf=
ication through
untached action) will simplify our ego and purify our cons=
ciousness slowly.
As we become purer, our mind will work sharper and tell =
our dharma clearer.
There is a positive feedback here. This will slowly en=
able us to see our
dharma clearly and follow it without incurring new karm=
as. This is not easy,
The bottomlin=
e is: Even if one is not following one's dharma, one's sense of
"this is m=
y dharma" gets refined with time if one engages in action with
little atta=
chment.
* * *
In deciding one's dharma, one's intellect and intuition are=

the inputs.
Another external input is the words of scriptures and learned=
men. One can
derive one's dharma from them. A special place is given to o=
ne's spiritual
master. If one surrenders to a spiritual master, one can ta=
ke the words of
the master to determine one's dharma and follow it sincere=
ly.
When Arjuna was confused about what his dharma was and thought killing=
gurus
and relatives was not dharma, he had a guru in Krishna who clarifie=
d his
dharma. When Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was confused about his=
dharma
and wanted to renounce the world and go to a secluded place to do =
sadhana,
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa cried and prevailed upon him to stay in t=
he material
One who is not in tu=

ne with nature and does not know who one is, what one's
debts are and what=
nature expects from one can err in the judgment of what
one's dharma is. =
If one's guru is an elevated soul with a clear insight into
one's inner co=
re, such a guru can give perfect guidance.
* * *
Bottomline is that I (or=

anybody) cannot outline a set of principles and
declare that as the dharm=
a. No, dharma changes from person to person, from
time to time and from pl=
ace to place. Also, there are no thumbrules to find
out what one's dharma =
is. But, one can refine one's understanding of one's
dharma by increasing =
internal purity. By doing various kinds of spiritual
sadhana (like homam, =
japam etc) and engaging in actions without much
attachment, one can slowly=
purify oneself and refine one's understanding of
one's individual dharma.=
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------ --------- --------- --------- ------=
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homam
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Free Jyotish l=
essons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net
indows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org
: http://www.SriJagan nath.org
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From: "dahiyajiten" <d=
ahiyajiten@ yahoo.co. in>
Sent: Saturd=
ay, September 27, 2008 8:02 AM
> Namaste to=

all
>
> Vimala=
nda says path of dharma is very personal.
> Can somebody share views on tha=
t and how can we approach
> towards it
> Does it has to do something with v=
edas and upanishads
>
> regards
> jitender
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Dear Narasimhaji</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>=
<DIV>Another wonderly inspired post by you!!!!</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>
<DI=
V>I did not understand one line of your post. You said during the time of M=
ahabhrata there was tremendous weight on this planet. I could not completel=
y understand what you ment by this. Is it a literal meaning of figuratative=
meaning?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Also, could you tell me the name of =
reference of the book where Sri Ramakrishna says Yogananda was Arjuna. </DI=
V>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thank you once again for your mails which are an =
inspiration to us all.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV>&nb=
sp;Rajarshi<BR><BR></DIV>
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></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 28/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr=
@...></I></B> wrote:<BR>
.V.R. Rao <pvr@...><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Dharma<BR>=
To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Cc: sivacharya@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date:=
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Sir
=C2=A0
I have only one word for what you wrote. Brilliant. Just brillia=
nt. I am sure some day you will write a great book on spiritual topics for =
ordinay humans like me. What you wrote today was possible of one the best p=
ieces I have ever read.
=C2=A0
I have a friend of mine who is highly inter=
ested in spiritual practises. And he keeps going from one place to another =
in search of sants and sadhus. One day he happened to come across a sadhu, =
who just by looking at him, told him a great many things about his life, so=
me of which no one else could have possibly known. Like how many birth mark=
s were present in his body etc etc. And the sadhu did not even know his nam=
e or even ask him his name. Finally the sadhu told him that he was a vamsha=
j of Markandeya and along what lines will his spiritual progress etc will h=
appen.
=C2=A0
Now I do not know=C2=A0whether this is true, but considering =
that the Sadhu could tell him so much about his life and that my friend is =
by nature one who does sadhana almost daily for years now, I was inclined t=
o believe in it.
=C2=A0
Also I had just re read the Aghora books and theref=
ore I was curious about whether and how a person can pray to Rishi.
=C2=A0
=
Thank you once again for that wonderfully lucid and brilliant post.
=C2=A0
=
-Regards
=C2=A0Rajarshi
"This above all: to thine own self be true!" - H=

amlet
=
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Rishis=
Date: Sund=
ay, 28 September, 2008, 4:30 AM
=EF=BB=BF
Namaste,
=C2=A0
There are =
really two different things here.
=C2=A0
Some people are born with=C2=A0an =
amsa (part) of a rishi's consciousness. For example, Ramakrishna Paramahams=
a said that Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was one of the seven great ris=
his. Many people did meet him. Thus, meeting the physical manifestation of =
an amsa of a rishi is not that difficult (though that also requires some pu=
nya).
=C2=A0
The second thing is to meet the physical manifestation of the =
entire consciousness of a rishi. *That* is very very very difficult. As Vim=
alananda said, that may require a terrific amount of tapascharya (unless yo=
u are one of that rishi's people who came to do some work on earth and have=
already done a terrific amount of tapascharya in past lives).
=C2=A0
*=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 *
=C2=A0
One may wonder: If rishis are so great, why do they not =
get moksha and why do they remain in physical manifestation?
=C2=A0
Though =
the following is essentially like a kindergartener explaining Einstein's th=
eory of general relativity to fellow kindergarteners, I will nevertheless t=
ry to explain it.
=C2=A0
All that our senses perceive is Maya (delusion) th=
at is created by the power of duality. If the veil of delusion is removed, =
there is no duality and all is ONE uniform and undivided consciousness, kno=
wn variously as Aatman or Brahman or Narayana or Sadashiva. This one unifor=
m and undivided consciousness is known as "unmanifested Brahman". The world=
of duality, where there are many different objects, is also actually Brahm=
an only, but Brahman that went through some modification and manifestation.=
It is known as "manifested Brahman". Both are Brahman only.
=C2=A0
Normall=
y, living in the domain of duality without being deluded by some aspect of =
duality or the other is near to impossible. Remaining in duality with a per=
fect understanding of the underlying oneness of all objects and perceiving =
all those objects of duality without experiencing attraction or repulsion f=
or any single object of duality is almost impossible. Most spiritual aspira=
nts try to reach the state of oneness with unmanifested Brahman - a state i=
n which there is no duality and no objectification - and become absorbed in=
that state forever. That is the advaitic experience of "nirvikalpa samadhi=
" and what happens in "moksha".
=C2=A0
However, maharshis have described hi=
gher states. It is possible to be in oneness with manifested Brahman and un=
manifested Brahman at the same time. It is possible to remain in duality, w=
ith the senses perceiving objects of duality, and yet remain in oneness wit=
h the underlying oneness (Brahman) of all obejcts and not be deluded, i.e. =
not experience either attraction or repulsion for any object of duality. Me=
re perception of objects by the senses is not the problem. The tendency of =
mind to be find some attractive and find some repulsive is the problem. It =
is possible to remain in a state where there is neither attraction nor repu=
lsion for any object is possible.
=C2=A0
Such a state is experienced by ver=
y few beings. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Shirdi Sai Baba etc were in this sta=
te always. Swami Vivekananda also experienced it.
=C2=A0
Rishis are beings =
who are always in a very high state. They are always alert to the maya and =
yet not stuck in it. They perceive objects of duality and yet are not attra=
cted or repelled by anything. If one overcomes attraction and repulsion and=
yet remains in duality, one can pretty much do anything. But because one i=
s neither attracted or repelled by anything, it means one has no personal e=
go and one has no reason to do anything for personal ego. Then one becomes =
an instrument of nature (Prakriti) and implements the wish of nature throug=
h one's actions, which are performed without any attachment or personal ide=
ntification. One who has a personal=C2=A0ego can do limited things. One who=
has a very very small ego can do great things. One who has no ego can do A=
NY thing. But such a being does things that are desired by Nature - the nat=
ural order of the universe. They can change the course of history of nation=
s and planets.
=C2=A0
A rishi in this state may engage in various actions o=
f great consequence for the world. Yet, there is no attachment with the act=
ions. He is just an unattached instrument of Nature.
=C2=A0
If one gets out=
of the duality and becomes absorbed in unmanifested Brahman forever, one i=
s not born again. But a rishi who has an equal vision of unmanifested and m=
anifested Brahman is for ever mukta (liberated). Thus, he will freely inter=
act with duality without any fear or aversion. Amsa of such a rishi may eve=
n be born again as a separate person, just as a process running in a comput=
er may spawn off a separate thread to do some focussed task. Even if the co=
mputer process has finished all the initialization and early work, the newl=
y spawned thread has to go through initialization etc again. Similarly, the=
person born with amsa has to go through the process of overcoming weakness=
es and realizing self all over=C2=A0again. When a Vivekananda is born from =
the amsa of a rishi, he may have to struggle initially and overcome the wea=
knesses and realize self all over again. But he is the amsa of an ever free=
and liberated being and will find his way again.
=C2=A0
Thus, a liberated =
rishi, with the force of his liberated consciousness and with the force of =
his reborn amsas, will act as an unattached instrument of Nature performing=
actions of tremendous consequences without any personal ego driving those =
actions.
=C2=A0
*=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *
=C2=A0
Worshipping the rishi of one's gotr=
a and getting his blessings is a very good idea. In general, getting the bl=
essings of ANY rishi is a great idea. Pursuing the rishi of one's gotra is =
relatively easier for most people. But, if one has a connection with a spec=
ific rishi (apart from the rishi of one's gotra), one can worship that rish=
i. However, it is not easy to know that.
=C2=A0
Suppose several mantras you=
find natural attraction for have the descendants of a specific Maharshi as=
the rishi. Then you may have a connection with that Maharshi. You can try =
praying to him.
=C2=A0
Best regards,
Narasimha
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To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com
S=
ent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:30 AM
Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: A=
nyone knows mantra for Kashyap Rishi?
Dear Narasimhaji
=C2=A0
I had a=
question about Rishis. In the Aghora books, it is mentioned that the Rishi=
s of yesteryears are still alive and roam around in this planet. There are =
signs on their body.And that only some who has done terrific amount of tapa=
shya is eligible to meet a Rishi. And also that praying to Rishi of ones go=
tra can help to acclerate ones spirtual progress. Kindly enlighten us with =
your thoughts on this topic. I am really curious..
=C2=A0
Thanks in advance=
.
=C2=A0
-Regards
=C2=A0Rajarshi
"This above all: to thine own self be tr=

ue!" - Hamlet
--- On Thu, 25/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net>=

wrote:
From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net>

Subject: [vedic-wisd=
om] Re: Anyone knows mantra for Kashyap Rishi?
To: vedic-astrology@ yahoogr=
oups. com, vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, sohamsa@yahoogroups .com, sivach=
arya@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 5:36 AM
Dear=
Prasad,
=C2=A0
I do not know any specific mantra. I know many mantras for =
which Kashyapa is rishi, but no mantra to pray to Kashyapa himself.
=C2=A0
=
There are many mantras for Prajapati in general ("prajaapate na tvadetaanya=
nyo. .."), but I don't know a mantra specifically to worship Kashyapa.
=C2=
=A0
If you perform a homam, you can add the following line after the poorva=
angam (initial five aahutis) and before the uttarangam.
=C2=A0
Om kashyapaa=
ya swaahaa. kashyapaayedam na mama.
=C2=A0
Say it and make an offering of=
=C2=A0ghee for Kashyapa.
=C2=A0
Another way to worship a rishi is to take s=
ection of Veda for which he is the rishi and try to experience that section=
. You can simply pick one rik for which Kashyapa is rishi and keep meditati=
ng on that rik. You can close your eyes, keep back straight and repeat the =
rik mentally with swaram without moving and do that everyday for a certain =
amount of time. Oneday the rishi may be pleased with you and you may experi=
ence something.
=C2=A0
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------ --------- -----=
---- --------- --------- --------- ---------
Do a Short Homam Yourself: htt=
p://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam
Spirituality: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group=
/vedic- wisdom
Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast.=
net
Sri J=
agannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org
------------ --=
------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
=C2=A0
> Dear Re=
spected Members,
>
> My gotra is Kashyap. I would like to know if there is=
any specific mantra of Kashyap Rishi for worship. I am doing tarpana, so i=
t does have offering oblations to Kashyap Rishi, but I would like to know s=
pecific mantra for worship.
>
>=C2=A0
> Thanks & Regards,
> Prasad A. Po=
le
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Sir</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have =
only one word for what you wrote. Brilliant. Just brilliant. I am sure some=
day you will write a great book on spiritual topics for ordinay humans lik=
e me. What you wrote today was possible of one the best pieces I have ever =
read. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have a friend of mine who is highly i=
nterested in spiritual practises. And he keeps going from one place to anot=
her in search of sants and sadhus. One day he happened to come across a sad=
hu, who just by looking at him, told him a great many things about his life=
, some of which no one else could have possibly known. Like how many birth =
marks were present in his body etc etc. And the sadhu did not even know his=
name or even ask him his name. Finally the sadhu told him that he was a va=
mshaj of Markandeya and along what lines will his spiritual progress etc wi=
ll happen.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Now I do not know whether this=
is true, but considering that the Sadhu could tell him so much about his l=
ife and that my friend is by nature one who does sadhana almost daily for y=
ears now, I was inclined to believe in it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Als=
o I had just re read the Aghora books and therefore I was curious about whe=
ther and how a person can pray to Rishi.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thank=
you once again for that wonderfully lucid and brilliant post.</DIV>
<DIV>&=
nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV><EM>=
<STRONG>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COL=
OR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This above all: to thine own self be true!=
" - Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, =
28/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@...></I></B> wrote:<BR>=
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb=

(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...><B=
R>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Rishis<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Cc:=
sivacharya@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Sunday, 28 September, 2008, 4:30 AM<BR=
><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv937161066>
<DIV>=EF=BB=BF
<DIV><FO=
NT face=3DArial size=3D2>Namaste,</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There are really =
two different things here.</FONT></DIV>
bsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Some people are born wit=
h an amsa (part) of a rishi's consciousness. For example, Ramakrishna =
Paramahamsa said that Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was one of the seven=
great rishis. Many people did meet him. Thus, meeting the physical manifes=
tation of an amsa of a rishi is not that difficult (though that also requir=
es some punya).</FONT></DIV>
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The second thing is to meet the phy=
sical manifestation of the entire consciousness of a rishi. *That* is very =
very very difficult. As Vimalananda said, that may require a terrific amoun=
t of tapascharya (unless you are one of that rishi's people who came to do =
some work on earth and have already done a terrific amount of tapascharya i=
n past lives).</FONT></DIV>
/DIV>
; * *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FO=
=3D2>One may wonder: If rishis are so great, why do they not get moksha and=
why do they remain in physical manifestation?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thou=
gh the following is essentially like a kindergartener explaining Einstein's=
theory of general relativity to fellow kindergarteners, I will nevertheles=
s try to explain it.</FONT></DIV>
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All that our senses perceive i=
s Maya (delusion) that is created by the power of duality. If the veil of d=
elusion is removed, there is no duality and all is ONE uniform and undivide=
d consciousness, known variously as Aatman or Brahman or Narayana or Sadash=
iva. This one uniform and undivided consciousness is known as "unmanifested=
Brahman". The world of duality, where there are many different objects, is=
also actually Brahman only, but Brahman that went through some modificatio=
n and manifestation. It is known as "manifested Brahman". Both are Brahman =
only.</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Normally, living in the domain of duality wit=
hout being deluded by some aspect of duality or the other is near to imposs=
ible. Remaining in duality with a perfect understanding of the underlying o=
neness of all objects and perceiving all those objects of duality without e=
xperiencing attraction or repulsion for any single object of duality is alm=
ost impossible. Most spiritual aspirants try to reach the state of oneness =
with unmanifested Brahman - a state in which there is no duality and no obj=
ectification - and become absorbed in that state forever. That is the advai=
tic experience of "nirvikalpa samadhi" and what happens in "moksha".</FONT>=
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>However, maharshis have described higher states. It is po=
ssible to be in oneness with manifested Brahman and unmanifested Brahman at=
the same time. It is possible to remain in duality, with the senses percei=
ving objects of duality, and yet remain in oneness with the underlying onen=
ess (Brahman) of all obejcts and not be deluded, i.e. not experience either=
attraction or repulsion for any object of duality. Mere perception of obje=
cts by the senses is not the problem. The tendency of mind to be find some =
attractive and find some repulsive is the problem. It is possible to remain=
in a state where there is neither attraction nor repulsion for any object =
is possible.</FONT></DIV>
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Such a state is experienced by very fe=
w beings. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Shirdi Sai Baba etc were in this state a=
lways. Swami Vivekananda also experienced it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rish=
is are beings who are always in a very high state. They are always alert to=
the maya and yet not stuck in it. They perceive objects of duality and yet=
are not attracted or repelled by anything. If one overcomes attraction and=
repulsion and yet remains in duality, one can pretty much do anything. But=
because one is neither attracted or repelled by anything, it means one has=
no personal ego and one has no reason to do anything for personal ego. The=
n one becomes an instrument of nature (Prakriti) and implements the wish of=
nature through one's actions, which are performed without any attachment o=
r personal identification. One who has a personal ego can do limited t=
hings. One who has a very very small ego can do great things. One who has n=
o ego can do ANY thing. But such a being does things that are desired by Na=
ture - the natural order of the universe. They can change the course of his=
tory of nations and
planets.</FONT></DIV>
> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A rishi in this state=
may engage in various actions of great consequence for the world. Yet, the=
re is no attachment with the actions. He is just an unattached instrument o=
f Nature.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If one gets out of the duality and become=
s absorbed in unmanifested Brahman forever, one is not born again. But a ri=
shi who has an equal vision of unmanifested and manifested Brahman is for e=
ver mukta (liberated). Thus, he will freely interact with duality without a=
ny fear or aversion. Amsa of such a rishi may even be born again as a separ=
ate person, just as a process running in a computer may spawn off a separat=
e thread to do some focussed task. Even if the computer process has finishe=
d all the initialization and early work, the newly spawned thread has to go=
through initialization etc again. Similarly, the person born with amsa has=
to go through the process of overcoming weaknesses and realizing self all =
over again. When a Vivekananda is born from the amsa of a rishi, he ma=
y have to struggle initially and overcome the weaknesses and realize self a=
ll over again. But he is the amsa of an ever free and liberated being and
=
will find his way again.</FONT></DIV>
p;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thus, a liberated rishi, w=
ith the force of his liberated consciousness and with the force of his rebo=
rn amsas, will act as an unattached instrument of Nature performing actions=
of tremendous consequences without any personal ego driving those actions.=
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<D=
IV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>* =
* *</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
>Worshipping the rishi of one's gotra and getting his blessings is a very g=
ood idea. In general, getting the blessings of ANY rishi is a great idea. P=
ursuing the rishi of one's gotra is relatively easier for most people. But,=
if one has a connection with a specific rishi (apart from the rishi of one=
's gotra), one can worship that rishi. However, it is not easy to know that=
.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><F=
ONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Suppose several mantras you find natural attracti=
on for have the descendants of a specific Maharshi as the rishi. Then you m=
ay have a connection with that Maharshi. You can try praying to him.</FONT>=
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>Best regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------ --------- ----=
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f=3D"mailto:rajarshi14@..." target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>rajarshi=
nandy</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dved=
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et=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A> </DIV>
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tyle=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:30 AM=
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [vedic-wisdom] R=
e: Anyone knows mantra for Kashyap Rishi?</DIV>
e=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>
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size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR>Dear Narasimhaji</DI=
V>
<DIV>I had a questi=
on about Rishis. In the Aghora books, it is mentioned that the Rishis of ye=
steryears are still alive and roam around in this planet. There are signs o=
n their body.And that only some who has done terrific amount of tapashya is=
eligible to meet a Rishi. And also that praying to Rishi of ones gotra can=
help to acclerate ones spirtual progress. Kindly enlighten us with your th=
oughts on this topic. I am really curious..</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV> Rajars=
hi<BR></DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This above all: to=
thine own self be true!" - Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></DIV=
><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 25/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@charter. n=
et></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) =
2px solid">From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net><BR>Subject: =
[vedic-wisdom] Re: Anyone knows mantra for Kashyap Rishi?<BR>To: vedic-astr=
ology@ yahoogroups. com, vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, sohamsa@yahoogroup=
s .com, sivacharya@yahoogro ups.com<BR>Date: Thursday, 25 September, 2008, =
5:36 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv575864938>
<DIV>
<DIV><FO=
NT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Prasad,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I do not know=
any specific mantra. I know many mantras for which Kashyapa is rishi, but =
no mantra to pray to Kashyapa himself.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There are ma=
ny mantras for Prajapati in general ("prajaapate na tvadetaanyanyo. .."), b=
ut I don't know a mantra specifically to worship Kashyapa.</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
ize=3D2>If you perform a homam, you can add the following line after the po=
orvaangam (initial five aahutis) and before the uttarangam.</FONT></DIV>
<D=
size=3D2>Om kashyapaaya swaahaa. kashyapaayedam na mama.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>=
e=3D2>Say it and make an offering of ghee for Kashyapa.</FONT></DIV>
<=
size=3D2>Another way to worship a rishi is to take section of Veda for whi=
ch he is the rishi and try to experience that section. You can simply pick =
one rik for which Kashyapa is rishi and keep meditating on that rik. You ca=
n close your eyes, keep back straight and repeat the rik mentally with swar=
am without moving and do that everyday for a certain amount of time. Oneday=
the rishi may be pleased with you and you may experience something.</FONT>=
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>Best regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------ --------- ----=
----- --------- --------- --------- ---------<BR>Do a Short Homam Yourself:=
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------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- <BR> </FONT><=
/DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Dear Respected Members,<BR>>=
<BR>> My gotra is Kashyap. I would like to know if there is any specifi=
c mantra of Kashyap Rishi for worship. I am doing tarpana, so it does have =
offering oblations to Kashyap Rishi, but I would like to know specific mant=
ra for worship.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Thanks & Regards, <BR>&=
gt; Prasad A. Pole <BR></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></T=
R></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></t=
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Namaste,
I meant it figuratively.
For the reference on Yogananda, you c=

an read the section on Swami Yogananda in "God Lived with Them: Life Storie=
s of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna" by Swami Chetanananda.
=
* * *
There have been many great yogis, babas, saints and=

swamis in the last few thousand years of Kali yuga. But Ramakrishna Parama=
hamsa stands out in one way. He is one master who mastered every single pat=
h. He mastered bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga, karma yoga and even raaja yoga. He=
worshipped and experienced Rama, Krishna, Kaali and several forms. He even=
reached the state of nirvikalpa samadhi, where there is no "experience". H=
e was in sahaja samadhi always. He was able induce tremendous experience in=
people by mere touch or mere look. Yet he was simple like a child and had =
zero ego (that is why he could do all that!!!).
Many "gurus" force their =

dharma on their sishyas and have no ability to recognize the true nature an=
d dharma of each sishya. They force sishyas to chant the mantra they chant,=
worship the form they worship and walk the path they walk. Ramakrishna had=
deep insight into the true nature of each sishya and gave specific instruc=
tions. He taught totally different mantras, totally different forms and tot=
ally different paths to different sishyas. He even taught contradictory thi=
ngs to different sishyas. When one sishya who needed to mend his aggressive=
attitude roughed up somebody for insulting his guru, he scolded "shame on =
you. With your attitude, you did not defend your guru, but brought shame to=
him. You should learn to be calm and ignore such insults. THAT will place =
your guru in a good stead and not your aggression". When another sishya who=
needed to mend his soft demeanor ignored insults of Ramakrishna by some pe=
ople and came away silently, he scolded him "shame on you. Shastras say tha=
t you should kill one who insults your guru. How can you ignore such wrong =
behavior? You should give them a piece of your mind."
Spiritual sadhana d=
oes not mean just chanting a mantra or repeating a procedure everyday for a=
certain period of time. Spiritual sadhana is a continuous process by which=
one transforms oneself from inside out and purifies oneself. That way, eve=
ry action and every thought becomes a sadhana and offers an opportunity for=
introspection and transformation of internal attitude.
Anyway, coming ba=

ck to the point, Ramakrishna is not a normal sadhaka or a normal guru. He b=
elonged to a very special class of sadhakas and he was an exceptional guru =
to an exceptional group of sishyas.
Without his [indirect] blessings, I w=

ould be a nobody and would be lower than dirt. I would not be able to say a=
nything intelligent or meaningful in spiritual matters. Those who are impre=
ssed/inspired by something I write should be thankful to my guru Dr Manish =
Pandit and to Sri Ramakrishna for showering their grace using me as an inst=
rument and not to me.
BTW, you are all free to forward my posts that you =

like to people who may be interested in spiritual discussions. I have no pr=
oblem. As I said before, I am a servant distributing the wealth of a king (=
Mother) as asked by the minister (my guru).
Best regards,
Narasimha
-----=
-------------------------------------------------------------
Do a Short Ho=
.comcast.net
g
---------=
---------------------------------------------------------
----- Origina=
l Message -----
To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com=

Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] =
Re: Dharma
Dear Narasimhaji
Another wonderly inspired pos=

t by you!!!!
I did not understand one line of your post. You said =

during the time of Mahabhrata there was tremendous weight on this planet. I=
could not completely understand what you ment by this. Is it a literal mea=
ning of figuratative meaning?
Also, could you tell me the name of =

reference of the book where Sri Ramakrishna says Yogananda was Arjuna.
=
Thank you once again for your mails which are an inspiration to us al=
l.
-Regards
Rajarshi
"This above all: to thine =

own self be true!" - Hamlet
--- On Sun, 28/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R.=

Rao <pvr@...> wrote:
From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@ch=

arter.net>
To: vedic=
-wisdom@yahoogroups.com
=
Date: Sunday, 28 September, 2008, 12:11 AM
Namaste,
=
=
Bhagavad Geeta "Follow your own dharma. It is dangerous to follow s=
omeone
else's dharma".
Following the path of dharma b=
asically means engaging in the right
action/duty. Right action v=
aries from person to person, from time to time
and from place to=
place. It is dependent on what nature expects from you,
which i=
n turn is based on who you have been in the past, what actions you
=
did in the past while identifying with the action, who you affected in t=
he
past (and how) with the actions that you identified with, wha=
t debts you
created in the process, and what mental tendencies y=
ou accumulated until
now.
If, based on one's mental t=

endencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person
to kill evil p=
ersons, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's mental
ten=
dencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person to spread the message of
=
uniformity of all religions, that becomes one's dharma. If, based =
on one's
mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a pers=
on to spread the
ritual of homam in the world, that becomes one'=
s dharma. If, based on one's
mental tendencies and karmic debts,=
nature wants a person to make a lot of
* * *
The dharma of =
a being may change from one life to another.
At the time of Maha=

bharata war, it was Arjuna's dharma to kill his gurus,
elders an=
d relatives. The time then was such that there was too much weight
=
on earth and nature wanted earth to be relieved of some weight. Tremendo=
us
destruction was to take place and civilization destroyed to a=
great extent,
to welcome Kali yuga and set the tone for it. Arj=
una being a great warrior,
it was his dharma to facilitate that.=
Some people he deeply loved and
respected were on the other sid=
e and it was his dharma to kill them.
When the same Arjuna was b=

orn again in the 19th century as one of
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa'=
s sishyas (Swami Yogananda had been Arjuna in a
previous life, =
according to Ramakrishna) , his dharma was different in this
new=
time and place. He was born to renounce material life despite his
=
=
generations to embrace a simple life of mental detachment and ser=
vice to
others. When he is born again (which he has to, as per w=
hat Ramakrishna
said), his dharma based on the time and place ma=
y be something else.
* * *
The tricky question is: Ho=

w does one decide what is one's dharma?
Some people have interpr=

eted Krishna's words saying "follow your own dharma
and not some=
one else's dharma" in the light of castism. Though the concept
o=
f caste (varna) has been there in Hinduism for a long time, the concept of =
caste mobility was very much there. Valmiki was a shudra who liv=
ed by
killing birds. He became a brahmana and a maharshi later. =
Vishwamitra was a
kshatrita and a powerful king. He became a bra=
hmana and and a maharshi
later. Basically varna shows one's apti=
tude. One starts off with the varna
of father, because that is w=
hat one is exposed to in childhood. As one
develops in life, one=
gets one's own varna based on what one does.
Thus, the misinter=

pretation of Krishna's words which tells you to know your
dharma=
from your caste is wrong. Moreover, there are not just 4 dharmas in
=
Knowing what =
one's dharma is is very very very difficult. If one is pure
enou=
gh, one will *know* one's dharma. In fact, all of us have a part of our
=
mind that tells us what our dharma is, but it is surrounded by a lo=
t of
noise from other parts of our minds which tell other things=
. Thus, we get
confused.
We should make the best judg=
ment combining discrimination and intuition and
decide what is o=
ur dharma and follow it sincerely. We may be err, but doing
the =
best we can is all that we can do!
More than following dharma, w=

hat is of utmost importance is to engage in
actions without iden=
tification. *That* alone ensures that we are not
accumulating ne=
w karmas, i.e. not increasing the load. We should not build
too =
much attachment to what we are doing. We should engage in the best
=
possible actions (based on our best judgment on what our dharma in the g=
iven
situation is), with as little attachment and self-identific=
ation with the
action as possible. When the action is finished, =
we should leave the result
to god. We should not think "I did it=
", "what will happen now", "will it
work" etc. Such adherence of=
nishkama karma yoga (unfication through
untached action) will s=
implify our ego and purify our consciousness slowly.
As we becom=
e purer, our mind will work sharper and tell our dharma clearer.
=
=
dharma clearly and follow it without incurring new karmas. This i=
s not easy,
The=
bottomline is: Even if one is not following one's dharma, one's sense of
=
"this is my dharma" gets refined with time if one engages in acti=
on with
little attachment.
* * *
In decidi=
ng one's dharma, one's intellect and intuition are the inputs.
A=
nother external input is the words of scriptures and learned men. One can
=
derive one's dharma from them. A special place is given to one's =
spiritual
master. If one surrenders to a spiritual master, one c=
an take the words of
the master to determine one's dharma and fo=
llow it sincerely.
When Arjuna was confused about what his dharm=

a was and thought killing gurus
and relatives was not dharma, he=
had a guru in Krishna who clarified his
dharma. When Narendrana=
th (Swami Vivekananda) was confused about his dharma
and wanted =
to renounce the world and go to a secluded place to do sadhana,
=
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa cried and prevailed upon him to stay in the materia=
l
One who is=

not in tune with nature and does not know who one is, what one's
=
debts are and what nature expects from one can err in the judgment of wha=
t
one's dharma is. If one's guru is an elevated soul with a clea=
r insight into
one's inner core, such a guru can give perfect gu=
idance.
* * *
Bottomline is that I (or anybody) canno=

t outline a set of principles and
time to time and fr=
om place to place. Also, there are no thumbrules to find
out wha=
t one's dharma is. But, one can refine one's understanding of one's
=
dharma by increasing internal purity. By doing various kinds of spiritu=
al
sadhana (like homam, japam etc) and engaging in actions witho=
ut much
attachment, one can slowly purify oneself and refine one=
's understanding of
Best reg=
ards,
Narasimha
------------ --------- --------- ------=
--- --------- --------- -
Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.V=
edicAst rologer.org/ homam
Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www=
.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana
Spirituality: http://groups. yahoo=
.com/ group/vedic- wisdom
Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedi=
castro. home.comcast. net
/www.VedicAst rologer.org
Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: htt=
p://www.SriJagan nath.org
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From: "dahiyajiten" <dahiyajiten@ yahoo.co. in>
To: <vedic-wis=
dom@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 8:02 AM=
> Namaste to all

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>
> and in it i=
n last part
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> towards it
> Does it has to do something with vedas and upanis=
hads
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> regards
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e=3D2>I meant it figuratively.</FONT></DIV>
2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For the reference on=
Yogananda, you can read the
section on Swami Yogananda in "God Lived with=
Them: Life Stories of Sixteen
Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna" by S=
wami Chetanananda.</FONT></DIV>
NT></DIV>
nbsp;
* *</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
ize=3D2>There have been many great yogis, babas, saints and
swamis in the =
last few thousand years of Kali yuga. But Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
stands o=
ut in one way. He is one master who mastered every single path. He
mastere=
d bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga, karma yoga and even raaja yoga. He worshipped
=
and experienced Rama, Krishna, Kaali and several forms. He even reached the=
state of nirvikalpa samadhi, where there is no "experience". He was in sa=

haja
samadhi always. He was able induce tremendous experience in people by=
mere touch
or mere look. Yet he was simple like a child and had zero ego =
(that is why he
could do all that!!!).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Many "gurus=
" force their dharma on their sishyas
and have no ability to recognize the=
true nature and dharma of each sishya. They
force sishyas to chant the ma=
ntra they chant, worship the form they worship and
walk the path they walk=
. Ramakrishna had deep insight into the true nature of
each sishya and gav=
e specific instructions. He taught totally different mantras,
totally diff=
erent forms and totally different paths to different sishyas. He
even taug=
ht contradictory things to different sishyas. When one sishya who
needed t=
o mend his aggressive attitude roughed up somebody for insulting his
guru,=
he scolded "shame on you. With your attitude, you did not defend your
gur=
u, but brought shame to him. You should learn to be calm and ignore such
i=
nsults. THAT will place your guru in a good stead and not your aggression".=
When another sishya who needed to mend his soft demeanor ignored insults =
of
Ramakrishna by some people and came away silently, he scolded him "sham=
e on you.
Shastras say that you should kill one who insults your guru. How=
can you ignore
such wrong behavior? You should give them a piece of your =
mind."</FONT></DIV>
<D=
IV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Spiritual sadhana does not mean just chantin=
g a
mantra or repeating a procedure everyday for a certain period of =
time.
Spiritual sadhana is a continuous process by which one transforms on=
eself from
inside out and purifies oneself. That way, every action and eve=
ry
thought becomes a sadhana and offers an opportunity for introspect=
ion and
transformation of internal attitude.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
Anyway, coming back to the point, Ramakrishna is
not a normal sadhaka or a=
normal guru. He belonged to a very special class of
sadhakas and he was a=
n exceptional guru to an exceptional group of
sishyas.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
=3D2>Without his [indirect] blessings, I would be a
nobody and would be lo=
wer than dirt. I would not be able to say anything
intelligent or meaningf=
ul in spiritual matters. Those who are impressed/inspired
by something I w=
rite should be thankful to my guru Dr Manish Pandit and to Sri
Ramakrishna=
for showering their grace using me as an instrument and not to
me.</FONT>=
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>BTW, you are all free to forward my posts that you
like =
to people who may be interested in spiritual discussions. I have no
proble=
m. As I said before, I am a servant distributing the wealth of a king
(Mot=
her) as asked by the minister (my guru).</FONT></DIV>
rega=
rds,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------------------------------------------------=
------------<BR>Do
href=3D"http://www.VedicAst=
rologer.org/homam">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</A><BR>Do
Pitri Ta=
rpanas Yourself: <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana">http:/=
/www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana</A><BR>Spirituality:
<A
href=3D"http://g=
roups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wis=
dom</A><BR>Free
href=3D"http://vedicastro.home.=
comcast.net">http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net</A><BR>Free
Jyotish softwa=
re (Windows): <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org">http://www.VedicA=
strologer.org</A><BR>Sri
href=3D"http:=
//www.SriJagannath.org">http://www.SriJagannath.org</A><BR>----------------=
--------------------------------------------------
<BR></FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND=
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<A title=3D=
rajarshi14@... href=3D"mailto:rajarshi14@...">rajarshi
n=
andy</A> </DIV>
ic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com
href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com">v=
edic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com</A>
</DIV>
><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 28, 2008 2:44
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"F=
ONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re:
Dharma</DIV>
<=
DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV><FONT face=3DArial
si=
ze=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial
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<DIV>Dear Narasimhaji</DIV>
FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Another wonderly inspired post by you!!!!</D=
IV>
<D=
IV>I did not understand one line of your post. You said during the
=
time of Mahabhrata there was tremendous weight on this planet. I could
=
not completely understand what you ment by this. Is it a literal mean=
ing
of figuratative meaning?</DIV>
<DIV>Also, could you tell me the name=
of reference of the book where Sri
Ramakrishna says Yogananda was=
Arjuna. </DIV>
>
<DIV>Thank you once again for your mails which are an inspiration=
to us
all.</DIV>
</DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV> Rajarshi<BR><BR=
></DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><S=
PAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"=
This above
Hamlet</SPA=
N></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun,
28/9/0=
8, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@...></I></B>
wrote:<=
BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5=
px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:
Narasimha P.V.R=
. Rao <pvr@...><BR>Subject:
[vedic-wisdom] Re: Dha=
rma<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Cc:
sivacharya@yahoog=
roups.com<BR>Date: Sunday, 28 September, 2008, 12:11
AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV id=3Dyiv1326530499>
=
<DIV>Namaste,<BR><BR>As Vimalananda says, dharma is indeed personal.
=
Krishna clearly says in <BR>Bhagavad Geeta "Follow your own dharma. I=
t
is dangerous to follow someone <BR>else's dharma".<BR><BR>Foll=
owing
the path of dharma basically means engaging in the right
=
<BR>action/duty. Right action varies from person to person, from =
time
to time <BR>and from place to place. It is dependent on wha=
t nature
expects from you, <BR>which in turn is based on who you=
have been in
the past, what actions you <BR>did in the past whi=
le identifying with
the action, who you affected in the <BR>past=
(and how) with the
actions that you identified with, what debts=
you <BR>created in the
process, and what mental tendencies you =
accumulated until
<BR>now.<BR><BR>If, based on one's mental tend=
encies and karmic debts,
nature wants a person <BR>to kill evil =
persons, that becomes one's
dharma. If, based on one's mental <B=
R>tendencies and karmic debts,
nature wants a person to spread t=
he message of <BR>uniformity of all
religions, that becomes one'=
s dharma. If, based on one's <BR>mental
tendencies and karmic de=
bts, nature wants a person to spread the
<BR>ritual of homam in =
the world, that becomes one's dharma. If, based
on one's <BR>men=
tal tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person
to make a=
lot of <BR>money and construct a temple, that becomes one's
dha=
rma.<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>The dharma of a being may change from one
=
life to another.<BR><BR>At the time of Mahabharata war, it was
=
Arjuna's dharma to kill his gurus, <BR>elders and relatives. The time
=
then was such that there was too much weight <BR>on earth and natur=
e
wanted earth to be relieved of some weight. Tremendous <BR>des=
truction
was to take place and civilization destroyed to a great=
extent, <BR>to
welcome Kali yuga and set the tone for it. Arjun=
a being a great
warrior, <BR>it was his dharma to facilitate tha=
t. Some people he
deeply loved and <BR>respected were on the oth=
er side and it was his
dharma to kill them.<BR><BR>When the same=
Arjuna was born again in the
19th century as one of <BR>Ramakri=
shna Paramahamsa' s sishyas (Swami
Yogananda had been Arjuna in =
a <BR>previous life, according to
Ramakrishna) , his dharma was =
different in this <BR>new time and
place. He was born to renounc=
e material life despite his
<BR>aristocratic upbringing and live=
the simple life of a monk and
inspire <BR>generations to embrac=
e a simple life of mental detachment
and service to <BR>others. =
When he is born again (which he has to, as
per what Ramakrishna =
<BR>said), his dharma based on the time and place
may be somethi=
ng else.<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>The tricky question is: How
does on=
e decide what is one's dharma?<BR><BR>Some people have
interpret=
ed Krishna's words saying "follow your own dharma <BR>and not
so=
meone else's dharma" in the light of castism. Though the concept
=
<BR>of caste (varna) has been there in Hinduism for a long time, the
=
concept of <BR>caste mobility was very much there. Valmiki was a
=
shudra who lived by <BR>killing birds. He became a brahmana and a
=
maharshi later. Vishwamitra was a <BR>kshatrita and a powerful kin=
g.
He became a brahmana and and a maharshi <BR>later. Basically =
varna
shows one's aptitude. One starts off with the varna <BR>of=
father,
because that is what one is exposed to in childhood. As=
one
<BR>develops in life, one gets one's own varna based on wha=
t one
does.<BR><BR>Thus, the misinterpretation of Krishna's word=
s which
tells you to know your <BR>dharma from your caste is wro=
ng. Moreover,
there are not just 4 dharmas in <BR>the world. Eac=
h person has
individual dharma.<BR><BR>Knowing what one's dharma=
is is very very
very difficult. If one is pure <BR>enough, one =
will *know* one's
dharma. In fact, all of us have a part of our =
<BR>mind that tells us
what our dharma is, but it is surrounded =
by a lot of <BR>noise from
other parts of our minds which tell o=
ther things. Thus, we get
<BR>confused.<BR><BR>We should make th=
e best judgment combining
discrimination and intuition and <BR>d=
ecide what is our dharma and
follow it sincerely. We may be err,=
but doing <BR>the best we can is
all that we can do!<BR><BR>Mor=
e than following dharma, what is of
utmost importance is to enga=
ge in <BR>actions without identification.
*That* alone ensures t=
hat we are not <BR>accumulating new karmas, i.e.
not increasing =
the load. We should not build <BR>too much attachment
to what we=
are doing. We should engage in the best <BR>possible
actions (b=
ased on our best judgment on what our dharma in the given
<BR>si=
tuation is), with as little attachment and self-identification
w=
ith the <BR>action as possible. When the action is finished, we
=
should leave the result <BR>to god. We should not think "I did it",
=
"what will happen now", "will it <BR>work" etc. Such adherence of
=
nishkama karma yoga (unfication through <BR>untached action) will
=
simplify our ego and purify our consciousness slowly. <BR>As we bec=
ome
purer, our mind will work sharper and tell our dharma cleare=
r.
<BR>There is a positive feedback here. This will slowly enabl=
e us to
see our <BR>dharma clearly and follow it without incurri=
ng new karmas.
This is not easy, <BR>but not as difficult as peo=
ple think.<BR><BR>The
bottomline is: Even if one is not followin=
g one's dharma, one's sense
of <BR>"this is my dharma" gets refi=
ned with time if one engages in
action with <BR>little attachmen=
t.<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>In deciding
one's dharma, one's intellect=
and intuition are the inputs.
<BR>Another external input is the=
words of scriptures and learned men.
One can <BR>derive one's d=
harma from them. A special place is given to
one's spiritual <BR=
>master. If one surrenders to a spiritual master,
one can take t=
he words of <BR>the master to determine one's dharma and
follow =
it sincerely.<BR><BR>When Arjuna was confused about what his
dha=
rma was and thought killing gurus <BR>and relatives was not dharma,
=
he had a guru in Krishna who clarified his <BR>dharma. When
=
Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was confused about his dharma <BR>and
=
wanted to renounce the world and go to a secluded place to do sadhan=
a,
<BR>Ramakrishna Paramahamsa cried and prevailed upon him to s=
tay in
the material <BR>world and do the work of Mother for him.=
<BR><BR>One
who is not in tune with nature and does not know who=
one is, what
one's <BR>debts are and what nature expects from o=
ne can err in the
judgment of what <BR>one's dharma is. If one's=
guru is an elevated
soul with a clear insight into <BR>one's in=
ner core, such a guru can
give perfect guidance.<BR><BR>* * *<BR=
><BR>Bottomline is that I (or
anybody) cannot outline a set of p=
rinciples and <BR>declare that as
the dharma. No, dharma changes=
from person to person, from <BR>time to
time and from place to =
place. Also, there are no thumbrules to find
<BR>out what one's =
dharma is. But, one can refine one's understanding
of one's <BR>=
dharma by increasing internal purity. By doing various
kinds of =
spiritual <BR>sadhana (like homam, japam etc) and engaging in
ac=
tions without much <BR>attachment, one can slowly purify oneself and
=
refine one's understanding of <BR>one's individual dharma.<BR><BR>Best=
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Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Narasimha.
Can you please show these things are seen in the chart astrologically?.
1)"Some people are born with an Amsa( part) of a rishis consciousness".
2)Gotra - How to find it in the chart and have you seen this confirmed in many
charts?
Are you talking about lineage- maternal, paternal.
thank-you
Lakshmi

Namaste,
There are really two different things here.
Some people are born with an amsa (part) of a rishi's consciousness. For example,
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa said that Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was one of the
seven great rishis. Many people did meet him. Thus, meeting the physical
manifestation of an amsa of a rishi is not that difficult (though that also
requires some punya).
The second thing is to meet the physical manifestation of the entire

consciousness of a rishi. *That* is very very very difficult. As Vimalananda said,
that may require a terrific amount of tapascharya (unless you are one of that
rishi's people who came to do some work on earth and have already done a terrific
amount of tapascharya in past lives).
* * *
One may wonder: If rishis are so great, why do they not get moksha and why do
they remain in physical manifestation?
Though the following is essentially like a kindergartener explaining Einstein's

theory of general relativity to fellow kindergarteners, I will nevertheless try to
explain it.
All that our senses perceive is Maya (delusion) that is created by the power of
duality. If the veil of delusion is removed, there is no duality and all is ONE
uniform and undivided consciousness, known variously as Aatman or Brahman or
Narayana or Sadashiva. This one uniform and undivided consciousness is known as
"unmanifested Brahman". The world of duality, where there are many different
objects, is also actually Brahman only, but Brahman that went through some
modification and manifestation. It is known as "manifested Brahman". Both are
Brahman only.
Normally, living in the domain of duality without being deluded by some aspect of
duality or the other is near to impossible. Remaining in duality with a perfect
understanding of the underlying oneness of all objects and perceiving all those
objects of duality without experiencing attraction or repulsion for any single
object of duality is almost impossible. Most spiritual aspirants try to reach the
state of oneness with unmanifested Brahman - a state in which there is no duality
and no objectification - and become absorbed in that state forever. That is the
advaitic experience of "nirvikalpa samadhi" and what happens in "moksha".
However, maharshis have described higher states. It is possible to be in oneness

with manifested Brahman and unmanifested Brahman at the same time. It is possible
to remain in duality, with the senses perceiving objects of duality, and yet remain
in oneness with the underlying oneness (Brahman) of all obejcts and not be deluded,
i.e. not experience either attraction or repulsion for any object of duality. Mere
perception of objects by the senses is not the problem. The tendency of mind to be
find some attractive and find some repulsive is the problem. It is possible to
remain in a state where there is neither attraction nor repulsion for any object is
possible.
Such a state is experienced by very few beings. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Shirdi

Sai Baba etc were in this state always. Swami Vivekananda also experienced it.
Rishis are beings who are always in a very high state. They are always alert to
the maya and yet not stuck in it. They perceive objects of duality and yet are not
attracted or repelled by anything. If one overcomes attraction and repulsion and
yet remains in duality, one can pretty much do anything. But because one is neither
attracted or repelled by anything, it means one has no personal ego and one has no
reason to do anything for personal ego. Then one becomes an instrument of nature
(Prakriti) and implements the wish of nature through one's actions, which are
performed without any attachment or personal identification. One who has a personal
ego can do limited things. One who has a very very small ego can do great things.
One who has no ego can do ANY thing. But such a being does things that are desired
by Nature - the natural order of the universe. They can change the course of
history of nations and planets.
A rishi in this state may engage in various actions of great consequence for the
world. Yet, there is no attachment with the actions. He is just an unattached
instrument of Nature.
If one gets out of the duality and becomes absorbed in unmanifested Brahman
forever, one is not born again. But a rishi who has an equal vision of unmanifested
and manifested Brahman is for ever mukta (liberated). Thus, he will freely interact
with duality without any fear or aversion. Amsa of such a rishi may even be born
again as a separate person, just as a process running in a computer may spawn off a
separate thread to do some focussed task. Even if the computer process has finished
all the initialization and early work, the newly spawned thread has to go through
initialization etc again. Similarly, the person born with amsa has to go through
the process of overcoming weaknesses and realizing self all over again. When a
Vivekananda is born from the amsa of a rishi, he may have to struggle initially and
overcome the weaknesses and realize self all over again. But he is the amsa of an
ever free and liberated being and will find his way again.
Thus, a liberated rishi, with the force of his liberated consciousness and with
the force of his reborn amsas, will act as an unattached instrument of Nature
performing actions of tremendous consequences without any personal ego driving
those actions.
* * *
Worshipping the rishi of one's gotra and getting his blessings is a very good
idea. In general, getting the blessings of ANY rishi is a great idea. Pursuing the
rishi of one's gotra is relatively easier for most people. But, if one has a
connection with a specific rishi (apart from the rishi of one's gotra), one can
worship that rishi. However, it is not easy to know that.
Suppose several mantras you find natural attraction for have the descendants of a
specific Maharshi as the rishi. Then you may have a connection with that Maharshi.
You can try praying to him.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:30 AM
Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Anyone knows mantra for Kashyap Rishi?
Dear Narasimhaji
I had a question about Rishis. In the Aghora books, it is mentioned that the
Rishis of yesteryears are still alive and roam around in this planet. There are
signs on their body.And that only some who has done terrific amount of tapashya is
eligible to meet a Rishi. And also that praying to Rishi of ones gotra can help to
acclerate ones spirtual progress. Kindly enlighten us with your thoughts on this
topic. I am really curious..
Thanks in advance.
-Regards
Rajarshi
--- On Thu, 25/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrote:

Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Anyone knows mantra for Kashyap Rishi?
To: vedic-astrology@yahoogroups.com, vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com,
sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, sivacharya@yahoogroups.com
Dear Prasad,
I do not know any specific mantra. I know many mantras for which Kashyapa is
rishi, but no mantra to pray to Kashyapa himself.
There are many mantras for Prajapati in general ("prajaapate na

tvadetaanyanyo. .."), but I don't know a mantra specifically to worship Kashyapa.
If you perform a homam, you can add the following line after the poorvaangam
(initial five aahutis) and before the uttarangam.
Om kashyapaaya swaahaa. kashyapaayedam na mama.
Another way to worship a rishi is to take section of Veda for which he is the
rishi and try to experience that section. You can simply pick one rik for which
Kashyapa is rishi and keep meditating on that rik. You can close your eyes, keep
back straight and repeat the rik mentally with swaram without moving and do that
everyday for a certain amount of time. Oneday the rishi may be pleased with you and
you may experience something.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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>
> My gotra is Kashyap. I would like to know if there is any specific mantra of
Kashyap Rishi for worship. I am doing tarpana, so it does have offering oblations
to Kashyap Rishi, but I would like to know specific mantra for worship.
>
>
> Thanks & Regards,
> Prasad A. Pole
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<DIV>Hare Rama Krishna</DIV> <DIV>Dear Narasimha.</DIV> <DIV>Can you please show

these things are seen in the chart astrologically?.</DIV> <DIV>1)"Some people are
born with an Amsa( part) of a rishis consciousness".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>2)Gotra - How to find it in the chart and have you seen this confirmed in many
charts?</DIV> <DIV>Are you talking about lineage- maternal, paternal.</DIV>
<DIV>thank-you</DIV> <DIV>Lakshmi<BR><BR><B><I>"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
<pvr@...></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px;
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <DIV id=ygrp-text> <DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Namaste,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There are really two different things
here.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Some people are born with an amsa (part) of a rishi's
consciousness. For example, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa said that Narendranath (Swami
Vivekananda) was one of the seven great rishis. Many people did meet him. Thus,
meeting the physical manifestation of an amsa of a rishi is not that difficult
(though that also requires some punya).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The second thing is to meet the
physical manifestation of the entire consciousness of a rishi. *That* is very very
very difficult. As Vimalananda said, that may require a terrific amount of
tapascharya (unless you are one of that rishi's people who came to do some work on
earth and have already done a
terrific amount of tapascharya in past lives).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>* *
*</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>One may wonder: If rishis are so great, why do they not get moksha and why
do they remain in physical manifestation?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Though the following is
essentially like a kindergartener explaining Einstein's theory of general
relativity to fellow kindergarteners, I will nevertheless try to explain
it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>All that our senses perceive is Maya (delusion) that is created
by the power of duality. If the veil of delusion is removed, there is no duality
and all is ONE uniform and undivided
consciousness, known variously as Aatman or Brahman or Narayana or Sadashiva. This
one uniform and undivided consciousness is known as "unmanifested Brahman". The
world of duality, where there are many different objects, is also actually Brahman
only, but Brahman that went through some modification and manifestation. It is
known as "manifested Brahman". Both are Brahman only.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Normally, living in
the domain of duality without being deluded by some aspect of duality or the other
is near to impossible. Remaining in duality with a perfect understanding of the
underlying oneness of all objects and perceiving all those objects of duality
without experiencing attraction or repulsion for any single object of duality is
almost impossible. Most spiritual aspirants try to reach the state of oneness with
unmanifested Brahman - a state in which there is no duality and no objectification
- and
become absorbed in that state forever. That is the advaitic experience of
"nirvikalpa samadhi" and what happens in "moksha".</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>However, maharshis
have described higher states. It is possible to be in oneness with manifested
Brahman and unmanifested Brahman at the same time. It is possible to remain in
duality, with the senses perceiving objects of duality, and yet remain in oneness
with the underlying oneness (Brahman) of all obejcts and not be deluded, i.e. not
experience either attraction or repulsion for any object of duality. Mere
perception of objects by the senses is not the problem. The tendency of mind to be
find some attractive and find some repulsive is the problem. It is possible to
remain in a state where there is neither attraction nor repulsion for any object is
possible.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Such a
state is experienced by very few beings. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Shirdi Sai Baba
etc were in this state always. Swami Vivekananda also experienced it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rishis
are beings who are always in a very high state. They are always alert to the maya
and yet not stuck in it. They perceive objects of duality and yet are not attracted
or repelled by anything. If one overcomes attraction and repulsion and yet remains
in duality, one can pretty much do anything. But because one is neither attracted
or repelled by anything, it means one has no personal ego and one has no reason to
do anything for personal ego. Then one becomes an instrument of nature (Prakriti)
and implements the wish of nature through one's actions, which are performed
without any attachment or personal identification. One who has a personal ego can
do limited things. One who has a very very small ego can do great things.
One who has no ego can do ANY thing. But such a being does things that are desired
by Nature - the natural order of the universe. They can change the course of
history of nations and planets.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A rishi in this state may
engage in various actions of great consequence for the world. Yet, there is no
attachment with the actions. He is just an unattached instrument of
Nature.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>If one gets out of the duality and becomes absorbed in
unmanifested Brahman forever, one is not born again. But a rishi who has an equal
vision of unmanifested and manifested Brahman is for ever mukta (liberated). Thus,
he will freely interact with duality without any fear or aversion. Amsa of such a
rishi may even be born again as a separate person, just as a process running in a
computer may spawn off a separate thread to
do some focussed task. Even if the computer process has finished all the
initialization and early work, the newly spawned thread has to go through
initialization etc again. Similarly, the person born with amsa has to go through
the process of overcoming weaknesses and realizing self all over again. When a
Vivekananda is born from the amsa of a rishi, he may have to struggle initially and
overcome the weaknesses and realize self all over again. But he is the amsa of an
ever free and liberated being and will find his way again.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thus, a liberated
rishi, with the force of his liberated consciousness and with the force of his
reborn amsas, will act as an unattached instrument of Nature performing actions of
tremendous consequences without any personal ego driving those
actions.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>* * *</FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Worshipping the rishi of one's
gotra and getting his blessings is a very good idea. In general, getting the
blessings of ANY rishi is a great idea. Pursuing the rishi of one's gotra is
relatively easier for most people. But, if one has a connection with a specific
rishi (apart from the rishi of one's gotra), one can worship that rishi. However,
it is not easy to know that.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Suppose several mantras you
find natural attraction for have the descendants of a specific Maharshi as the
rishi. Then you may have a connection with that Maharshi. You can try praying to
him.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Best
<WBR>---------<WBR>---------<WBR>---------<BR>Do a Short Homam Yourself: <A
<WBR>homam</A><BR>Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <A
href="http://www.vedicastrologer.org/tarpana">http://www.VedicAst<WBR>rologer.org/
<WBR>tarpana</A><BR>Spirituality: <A href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-
wisdom">http://groups.<WBR>yahoo.com/<WBR>group/vedic-<WBR>wisdom</A><BR>Free
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style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=rajarshi14@...
href="mailto:rajarshi14@...">rajarshi nandy</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt
arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com href="mailto:vedic-
wisdom@yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com</A> </DIV> <DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:30 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Anyone knows
mantra for Kashyap Rishi?</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0> <TBODY>
<TR> <TD vAlign=top> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT><BR>Dear Narasimhaji</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>I had a question about Rishis.
In the Aghora books, it is mentioned that the Rishis of yesteryears are still alive
and roam around in this planet. There are signs on their body.And that only some
who has done terrific amount of tapashya is eligible to meet a Rishi. And also that
praying to Rishi of ones gotra can help to acclerate ones spirtual progress. Kindly
enlighten us with your thoughts on this topic. I am really curious..</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks in advance.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV> Rajarshi<BR></DIV> <DIV><EM><STRONG> <DIV class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This above all: to
thine own self be true!" -
Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 25/9/08,
Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@charter.<WBR>net></I></B>
wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:
Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter.<WBR>net><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Anyone
knows mantra for Kashyap Rishi?<BR>To: vedic-astrology@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com,
vedic-wisdom@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com, sohamsa@yahoogroups<WBR>.com,
sivacharya@yahoogro<WBR>ups.com<BR>Date: Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 5:36
AM<BR><BR> <DIV id=yiv575864938> <DIV id=ygrp-text> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Dear Prasad,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I do not know any specific mantra. I know many mantras
for which Kashyapa is rishi, but no mantra to pray to Kashyapa
himself.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>There are many mantras for Prajapati in general ("prajaapate na
tvadetaanyanyo. .."), but I don't know a mantra specifically to worship
Kashyapa.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If you perform a
homam, you can add the following line after the poorvaangam (initial five aahutis)
and before the uttarangam.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Om kashyapaaya swaahaa.
kashyapaayedam na mama.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Say it and make an offering of ghee for
Kashyapa.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Another way to worship a rishi is to take section of Veda for
which he is the rishi and try to experience that section. You can simply pick one
rik for which Kashyapa is rishi and keep meditating on that rik. You can close your
eyes, keep back straight and repeat the rik mentally with swaram without moving and
do that everyday for a certain amount of time. Oneday the rishi may be pleased with
you and you
may experience something.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------
--------- ---------<BR>Do a Short Homam Yourself: <A
--------- --------- --------- --------- <BR> </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> Dear Respected Members,<BR>> <BR>> My gotra is Kashyap. I would like to
know if there is any specific mantra of Kashyap Rishi for worship. I am doing
tarpana, so it does have offering oblations to Kashyap Rishi, but I would like to
know specific mantra for worship.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Thanks & Regards, <BR>> Prasad
A. Pole <BR></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></
TABLE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Narasimha,
Ive read several apparently derogatory things about Paramahamsa Yogananda- that
he ate meat, drank and had women at different times. Some accounts seem very
authoratative so I am inclined to believe where there is smoke there is fire.
How can we reconcil he is spiritually special when he was involved in some many
other worldly things.?
http://ramakrishnayb.blogspot.com/2008/02/95-where-is-safety-for-fish-and-
goats.html
Best wishes
Lakshmi

Namaste,
For the reference on Yogananda, you can read the section on Swami Yogananda in
"God Lived with Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri
Ramakrishna" by Swami Chetanananda.
* * *
There have been many great yogis, babas, saints and swamis in the last few
thousand years of Kali yuga. But Ramakrishna Paramahamsa stands out in one way. He
is one master who mastered every single path. He mastered bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga,
karma yoga and even raaja yoga. He worshipped and experienced Rama, Krishna, Kaali
and several forms. He even reached the state of nirvikalpa samadhi, where there is
no "experience". He was in sahaja samadhi always. He was able induce tremendous
experience in people by mere touch or mere look. Yet he was simple like a child and
had zero ego (that is why he could do all that!!!).
Many "gurus" force their dharma on their sishyas and have no ability to recognize
the true nature and dharma of each sishya. They force sishyas to chant the mantra
they chant, worship the form they worship and walk the path they walk. Ramakrishna
had deep insight into the true nature of each sishya and gave specific
instructions. He taught totally different mantras, totally different forms and
totally different paths to different sishyas. He even taught contradictory things
to different sishyas. When one sishya who needed to mend his aggressive attitude
roughed up somebody for insulting his guru, he scolded "shame on you. With your
attitude, you did not defend your guru, but brought shame to him. You should learn
to be calm and ignore such insults. THAT will place your guru in a good stead and
not your aggression". When another sishya who needed to mend his soft demeanor
ignored insults of Ramakrishna by some people and came away silently, he scolded
him "shame on you.
Shastras say that you should kill one who insults your guru. How can you ignore
such wrong behavior? You should give them a piece of your mind."
Spiritual sadhana does not mean just chanting a mantra or repeating a procedure
everyday for a certain period of time. Spiritual sadhana is a continuous process by
which one transforms oneself from inside out and purifies oneself. That way, every
action and every thought becomes a sadhana and offers an opportunity for
Anyway, coming back to the point, Ramakrishna is not a normal sadhaka or a normal
guru. He belonged to a very special class of sadhakas and he was an exceptional
guru to an exceptional group of sishyas.
Without his [indirect] blessings, I would be a nobody and would be lower than
dirt. I would not be able to say anything intelligent or meaningful in spiritual
matters. Those who are impressed/inspired by something I write should be thankful
to my guru Dr Manish Pandit and to Sri Ramakrishna for showering their grace using
me as an instrument and not to me.
BTW, you are all free to forward my posts that you like to people who may be
interested in spiritual discussions. I have no problem. As I said before, I am a
servant distributing the wealth of a king (Mother) as asked by the minister (my
guru).
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Dear Narasimhaji
I did not understand one line of your post. You said during the time of
Mahabhrata there was tremendous weight on this planet. I could not completely
understand what you ment by this. Is it a literal meaning of figuratative meaning?
Also, could you tell me the name of reference of the book where Sri Ramakrishna
says Yogananda was Arjuna.
Thank you once again for your mails which are an inspiration to us all.
-Regards
Rajarshi

Namaste,

else's dharma".

now.
* * *
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s sishyas (Swami Yogananda had been Arjuna in a
previous life, according to Ramakrishna) , his dharma was different in this
* * *
confused.

little attachment.
* * *
* * *

Best regards,
Narasimha
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> Namaste to all

>
> towards it
>
> regards
> jitender
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<div>Hare Rama Krishna</div> <div>Dear Narasimha,</div> <div>Ive read several
apparently derogatory things about Paramahamsa Yogananda- that he ate meat, drank
and had women at different times. Some accounts seem very authoratative so I am
inclined to believe where there is smoke there is fire.</div> <div>How can we
reconcil he is spiritually special when he was involved in some many other worldly
things.?</div> <div><A href="http://ramakrishnayb.blogspot.com/2008/02/95-where-
is-safety-for-fish-and-goats.html">http://ramakrishnayb.blogspot.com/2008/02/95-
where-is-safety-for-fish-and-goats.html</A></div> <div>Best wishes</div>
<div>Lakshmi</div> <div> </div> <div><BR><BR><B><I>"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
<pvr@...></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px;
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <DIV id=ygrp-text> <div>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Namaste,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I meant it
figuratively.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>For the reference on Yogananda, you can read the section on Swami
Yogananda in "God Lived with Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of
Sri Ramakrishna" by Swami Chetanananda.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>There have been many great yogis, babas, saints and swamis in the last
few thousand years of Kali yuga. But Ramakrishna Paramahamsa stands out in one
way. He is one master who mastered every single path. He mastered bhakti yoga,
jnaana yoga, karma yoga and even raaja yoga. He worshipped and experienced Rama,
Krishna, Kaali and several forms. He even reached the state of nirvikalpa samadhi,
where there is no "experience"<WBR>. He was in sahaja samadhi always. He was able
induce tremendous experience in people by mere touch or mere look. Yet he was
simple like a child and had zero ego (that is why he could do all
that!!!).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Many "gurus" force their dharma on their sishyas and have no
ability to recognize the true nature and dharma of each sishya. They force sishyas
to chant the mantra they chant, worship the form they worship and walk the path
they walk. Ramakrishna had deep insight into the true nature of each sishya and
gave specific instructions. He
taught totally different mantras, totally different forms and totally different
paths to different sishyas. He even taught contradictory things to different
sishyas. When one sishya who needed to mend his aggressive attitude roughed up
somebody for insulting his guru, he scolded "shame on you. With your attitude, you
did not defend your guru, but brought shame to him. You should learn to be calm and
ignore such insults. THAT will place your guru in a good stead and not your
aggression". When another sishya who needed to mend his soft demeanor ignored
insults of Ramakrishna by some people and came away silently, he scolded him "shame
on you. Shastras say that you should kill one who insults your guru. How can you
ignore such wrong behavior? You should give them a piece of your
mind."</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Spiritual sadhana does not mean just chanting a mantra or
repeating a procedure everyday for a
certain period of time. Spiritual sadhana is a continuous process by which one
transforms oneself from inside out and purifies oneself. That way, every action and
every thought becomes a sadhana and offers an opportunity for introspection and
transformation of internal attitude.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyway, coming back to the
point, Ramakrishna is not a normal sadhaka or a normal guru. He belonged to a very
special class of sadhakas and he was an exceptional guru to an exceptional group of
sishyas.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Without his [indirect] blessings, I would be a nobody and would
be lower than dirt. I would not be able to say anything intelligent or meaningful
in spiritual matters. Those who are impressed/inspired by something I write should
be thankful to my guru Dr Manish Pandit and to Sri Ramakrishna for showering
their grace using me as an instrument and not to me.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BTW, you are all
free to forward my posts that you like to people who may be interested in spiritual
discussions. I have no problem. As I said before, I am a servant distributing the
wealth of a king (Mother) as asked by the minister (my guru).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Best
<WBR>tarpana</A><BR>Spirituality: <A
href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom">http://groups.<WBR>yahoo.com/
<WBR>group/vedic-<WBR>wisdom</A><BR>Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <A
<WBR>---------<WBR>--------- <BR></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT:
#000000 2px solid"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
</DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
title=rajarshi14@... href="mailto:rajarshi14@...">rajarshi nandy</A> </DIV> <DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com">vedic-
wisdom@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt
arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 28, 2008 2:44 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT:
10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Dharma</DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> <TABLE cellSpacing=0
cellPadding=0 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD vAlign=top> <DIV>Dear
Narasimhaji</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Another
wonderly inspired post by you!!!!</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>I did not understand one line of your post. You said
during the time of Mahabhrata there was tremendous weight on this planet. I could
not completely understand what you ment by this. Is it a literal meaning of
figuratative
meaning?</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Also, could you
tell me the name of reference of the book where Sri Ramakrishna says Yogananda was
Arjuna. </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Thank you once
again for your mails which are an inspiration to us all.</DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>-Regards</DIV> <DIV> Rajarshi<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG> <DIV class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This above all: to thine own self be true!" -
Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 28/9/08,
Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@charter.<WBR>net></I></B> wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao
<pvr@charter.<WBR>net><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Dharma<BR>To: vedic-
wisdom@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com<BR>Cc: sivacharya@yahoogro<WBR>ups.com<BR>Date:
Sunday, 28 September, 2008, 12:11 AM<BR><BR> <DIV id=yiv1326530499> <DIV
id=ygrp-text> <DIV>Namaste,<BR><BR>As Vimalananda says, dharma is indeed personal.
Krishna clearly says in <BR>Bhagavad Geeta "Follow your own dharma. It is dangerous
to follow someone <BR>else's dharma".<BR><BR>Following the path of dharma basically
means engaging in the right <BR>action/duty. Right action varies from person to
person, from time to time <BR>and from place to place. It is dependent on what
nature expects from you, <BR>which in turn is based on who you have been in the
past, what actions you <BR>did in the past while identifying with the action, who
you affected in the <BR>past (and how) with the actions that you identified with,
what debts you <BR>created in the process, and what mental tendencies you
accumulated until <BR>now.<BR><BR>If, based on one's mental tendencies and karmic
debts, nature wants a person <BR>to kill evil persons, that becomes one's dharma.
If, based on one's
mental <BR>tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person to spread the
message of <BR>uniformity of all religions, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on
one's <BR>mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person to spread the
<BR>ritual of homam in the world, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's
<BR>mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person to make a lot of
<BR>money and construct a temple, that becomes one's dharma.<BR><BR>* *
*<BR><BR>The dharma of a being may change from one life to another.<BR><BR>At the
time of Mahabharata war, it was Arjuna's dharma to kill his gurus, <BR>elders and
relatives. The time then was such that there was too much weight <BR>on earth and
nature wanted earth to be relieved of some weight. Tremendous <BR>destruction was
to take place and civilization destroyed to a great extent, <BR>to welcome Kali
yuga and set the tone for it. Arjuna being a great warrior, <BR>it was his dharma
to facilitate that. Some
people he deeply loved and <BR>respected were on the other side and it was his
dharma to kill them.<BR><BR>When the same Arjuna was born again in the 19th century
as one of <BR>Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s sishyas (Swami Yogananda had been Arjuna
in a <BR>previous life, according to Ramakrishna) , his dharma was different in
this <BR>new time and place. He was born to renounce material life despite his
<BR>aristocratic upbringing and live the simple life of a monk and inspire
<BR>generations to embrace a simple life of mental detachment and service to
<BR>others. When he is born again (which he has to, as per what Ramakrishna
<BR>said), his dharma based on the time and place may be something else.<BR><BR>* *
*<BR><BR>The tricky question is: How does one decide what is one's dharma?
<BR><BR>Some people have interpreted Krishna's words saying "follow your own dharma
<BR>and not someone else's dharma" in the light of castism. Though the concept
<BR>of caste (varna) has been
there in Hinduism for a long time, the concept of <BR>caste mobility was very much
there. Valmiki was a shudra who lived by <BR>killing birds. He became a brahmana
and a maharshi later. Vishwamitra was a <BR>kshatrita and a powerful king. He
became a brahmana and and a maharshi <BR>later. Basically varna shows one's
aptitude. One starts off with the varna <BR>of father, because that is what one is
exposed to in childhood. As one <BR>develops in life, one gets one's own varna
based on what one does.<BR><BR>Thus, the misinterpretation of Krishna's words which
tells you to know your <BR>dharma from your caste is wrong. Moreover, there are not
just 4 dharmas in <BR>the world. Each person has individual dharma.<BR><BR>Knowing
what one's dharma is is very very very difficult. If one is pure <BR>enough, one
will *know* one's dharma. In fact, all of us have a part of our <BR>mind that tells
us what our dharma is, but it is surrounded by a lot of <BR>noise from other parts
of our
minds which tell other things. Thus, we get <BR>confused.<BR><BR>We should make
the best judgment combining discrimination and intuition and <BR>decide what is our
dharma and follow it sincerely. We may be err, but doing <BR>the best we can is all
that we can do!<BR><BR>More than following dharma, what is of utmost importance is
to engage in <BR>actions without identification. *That* alone ensures that we are
not <BR>accumulating new karmas, i.e. not increasing the load. We should not build
<BR>too much attachment to what we are doing. We should engage in the best
<BR>possible actions (based on our best judgment on what our dharma in the given
<BR>situation is), with as little attachment and self-identification with the
<BR>action as possible. When the action is finished, we should leave the result
<BR>to god. We should not think "I did it", "what will happen now", "will it
<BR>work" etc. Such adherence of nishkama karma yoga (unfication through
<BR>untached action) will
simplify our ego and purify our consciousness slowly. <BR>As we become purer, our
mind will work sharper and tell our dharma clearer. <BR>There is a positive
feedback here. This will slowly enable us to see our <BR>dharma clearly and follow
it without incurring new karmas. This is not easy, <BR>but not as difficult as
people think.<BR><BR>The bottomline is: Even if one is not following one's dharma,
one's sense of <BR>"this is my dharma" gets refined with time if one engages in
action with <BR>little attachment.<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>In deciding one's dharma,
one's intellect and intuition are the inputs. <BR>Another external input is the
words of scriptures and learned men. One can <BR>derive one's dharma from them. A
special place is given to one's spiritual <BR>master. If one surrenders to a
spiritual master, one can take the words of <BR>the master to determine one's
dharma and follow it sincerely.<BR><BR>When Arjuna was confused about what his
dharma was and thought
killing gurus <BR>and relatives was not dharma, he had a guru in Krishna who
clarified his <BR>dharma. When Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was confused about
his dharma <BR>and wanted to renounce the world and go to a secluded place to do
sadhana, <BR>Ramakrishna Paramahamsa cried and prevailed upon him to stay in the
material <BR>world and do the work of Mother for him.<BR><BR>One who is not in tune
with nature and does not know who one is, what one's <BR>debts are and what nature
expects from one can err in the judgment of what <BR>one's dharma is. If one's guru
is an elevated soul with a clear insight into <BR>one's inner core, such a guru can
give perfect guidance.<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>Bottomline is that I (or anybody) cannot
outline a set of principles and <BR>declare that as the dharma. No, dharma changes
from person to person, from <BR>time to time and from place to place. Also, there
are no thumbrules to find <BR>out what one's dharma is. But, one can refine one's
understanding of one's <BR>dharma by increasing internal purity. By doing various
kinds of spiritual <BR>sadhana (like homam, japam etc) and engaging in actions
without much <BR>attachment, one can slowly purify oneself and refine one's
understanding of <BR>one's individual dharma.<BR><BR>Best
--------- -<BR>Do a Short Homam Yourself: <A
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--------- --------- --------- - <BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From:
"dahiyajiten" <<A href="mailto:dahiyajiten%40yahoo.co.in" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>dahiyajiten@ yahoo.co. in</A>><BR>To: <<A href="mailto:vedic-wisdom
%40yahoogroups.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups.
com</A>><BR>Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 8:02 AM<BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom]
Dharma<BR><BR>> Namaste to all<BR>><BR>> i just finished my Aghora series<BR>> and
in it in last part<BR>> Vimalanda says path of dharma is very personal.<BR>> Can
somebody share views on that and how can we approach<BR>> towards it<BR>> Does it
has to do
something with vedas and upanishads<BR>><BR>> regards<BR>>
jitender<BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></
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Namaste Lakshmi Bahen,
Sorry to intrude. I think Narsimha Garu mentioned a=

bout Swami
Yogananda who was disciple of Thakur and NOT Paramhamsa YogaNan=
da.
BTY i've great regards for Paramhamsa Yoagananda.
Thanks
Utpal
---=
In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@...>
wrote:
>
=
> Hare Rama Krishna
> Dear Narasimha,
> Ive read several apparently der=
ogatory things about Paramahamsa
Yogananda- that he ate meat, drank and ha=
d women at different times.
Some accounts seem very authoratative so I am =
inclined to believe
where there is smoke there is fire.
> How can we rec=
oncil he is spiritually special when he was
involved in some many other wo=
rldly things.?
> http://ramakrishnayb.blogspot.com/2008/02/95-where-is-sa=
fety-for-
fish-and-goats.html
> Best wishes
> Lakshmi
>
>
>
> "=
Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...> wrote:
> =EF=BB=BF Namaste,
> =
> I meant it figuratively.

>
> For the reference on Yogananda, y=
ou can read the section on
Swami Yogananda in "God Lived with Them: Life S=
tories of Sixteen
Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna" by Swami Chetanan=
anda.
>
> * * *
>
> There have been many great yo=
gis, babas, saints and swamis in
the last few thousand years of Kali yuga.=
But Ramakrishna
Paramahamsa stands out in one way. He is one master who m=
astered
every single path. He mastered bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga, karma yog=
a
and even raaja yoga. He worshipped and experienced Rama, Krishna,
Kaali=
and several forms. He even reached the state of nirvikalpa
samadhi, where=
there is no "experience". He was in sahaja samadhi
always. He was able in=
duce tremendous experience in people by mere
touch or mere look. Yet he wa=
s simple like a child and had zero ego
(that is why he could do all that!!=
!).
>
> Many "gurus" force their dharma on their sishyas and have no =
ability to recognize the true nature and dharma of each sishya. They
forc=
e sishyas to chant the mantra they chant, worship the form they
worship an=
d walk the path they walk. Ramakrishna had deep insight
into the true natu=
re of each sishya and gave specific instructions.
He taught totally differ=
ent mantras, totally different forms and
totally different paths to differ=
ent sishyas. He even taught
contradictory things to different sishyas. Whe=
n one sishya who
needed to mend his aggressive attitude roughed up somebod=
y for
insulting his guru, he scolded "shame on you. With your attitude,
y=
ou did not defend your guru, but brought shame to him. You should
learn to=
be calm and ignore such insults. THAT will place your guru
in a good stea=
d and not your aggression". When another sishya who
needed to mend his sof=
t demeanor ignored insults of Ramakrishna by
some people and came away sil=
ently, he scolded him "shame on you.
> Shastras say that you should kill o=
ne who insults your guru. How
can you ignore such wrong behavior? You shou=
ld give them a piece of
your mind."
>
> Spiritual sadhana does not m=
ean just chanting a mantra or
repeating a procedure everyday for a certain=
period of time.
Spiritual sadhana is a continuous process by which one tr=
ansforms
oneself from inside out and purifies oneself. That way, every act=
ion
and every thought becomes a sadhana and offers an opportunity for
int=
rospection and transformation of internal attitude.
>
> Anyway, comin=
g back to the point, Ramakrishna is not a normal
sadhaka or a normal guru.=
He belonged to a very special class of
sadhakas and he was an exceptional=
guru to an exceptional group of
sishyas.
>
> Without his [indirect]=
blessings, I would be a nobody and would
be lower than dirt. I would not =
be able to say anything intelligent
or meaningful in spiritual matters. Th=
ose who are impressed/inspired
by something I write should be thankful to =
my guru Dr Manish Pandit
and to Sri Ramakrishna for showering their grace =
using me as an
instrument and not to me.
>
> BTW, you are all free t=
o forward my posts that you like to
people who may be interested in spirit=
ual discussions. I have no
problem. As I said before, I am a servant distr=
ibuting the wealth of
a king (Mother) as asked by the minister (my guru).
=
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> -------------------------------------=
-----------------------------
> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.Vedic=
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrolog=
er.org/tarpana
>=
> Free Jyot=
> Sri Jagannath Cent=
re (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
> ---------------------------=
---------------------------------------
>
> ----- Original Message --=
---
> From: rajarshi nandy
> Se=
nt: Sunday, September 28, 2008 2:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: =
Dharma
>
> Dear Narasimhaji
>
> Another wonderly inspir=
ed post by you!!!!
>
> I did not understand one line of your post. Yo=
u said during the
time of Mahabhrata there was tremendous weight on this p=
lanet. I
could not completely understand what you ment by this. Is it a
l=
iteral meaning of figuratative meaning?
>
> Also, could you tell me t=
he name of reference of the book where
Sri Ramakrishna says Yogananda was =
Arjuna.
>
> Thank you once again for your mails which are an inspira=
tion to
us all.
>
> -Regards
> Rajarshi
>
>
> "This above a=
ll: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 28/9/08, Na=
rasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrote:
> From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...=
>
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Dharma
>=
> Date: Sunday, 28 September, 2008, 12:11 A=
M
>
> Namaste,
>
> As Vimalananda says, dharma is indeed personal. =
Krishna clearly
says in
> Bhagavad Geeta "Follow your own dharma. It is d=
angerous to follow
someone
> else's dharma".
>
> Following the path of d=
harma basically means engaging in the right
> action/duty. Right action va=
ries from person to person, from time
to time
> and from place to place. =
It is dependent on what nature expects
from you,
> which in turn is based=
on who you have been in the past, what
actions you
> did in the past whi=
le identifying with the action, who you
affected in the
> past (and how) =
with the actions that you identified with, what
debts you
> created in th=
e process, and what mental tendencies you accumulated
until
> now.
>
> I=
f, based on one's mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature
wants a perso=
n
> to kill evil persons, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on
one's m=
ental
> tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person to spread the
=
message of
> uniformity of all religions, that becomes one's dharma. If, b=
ased
on one's
> mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person=
to
spread the
> ritual of homam in the world, that becomes one's dharma.=
If, based
on one's
> mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a =
person to make
a lot of
> money and construct a temple, that becomes one'=
s dharma.
>
> * * *
>
> The dharma of a being may change from one life to=
another.
>
> At the time of Mahabharata war, it was Arjuna's dharma to ki=
ll his
gurus,
> elders and relatives. The time then was such that there w=
as too
much weight
> on earth and nature wanted earth to be relieved of s=
ome weight.
Tremendous
> destruction was to take place and civilization d=
estroyed to a
great extent,
> to welcome Kali yuga and set the tone for i=
t. Arjuna being a great
warrior,
> it was his dharma to facilitate that. =
Some people he deeply loved
and
> respected were on the other side and it=
was his dharma to kill
them.
>
> When the same Arjuna was born again in =
the 19th century as one of
> Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s sishyas (Swami Yog=
ananda had been
Arjuna in a
> previous life, according to Ramakrishna) , =
his dharma was
different in this
> new time and place. He was born to ren=
ounce material life despite
his
> aristocratic upbringing and live the si=
mple life of a monk and
inspire
> generations to embrace a simple life of=
mental detachment and
service to
> others. When he is born again (which =
he has to, as per what
Ramakrishna
> said), his dharma based on the time =
and place may be something
else.
>
> * * *
>
> The tricky question is: H=
ow does one decide what is one's dharma?
>
> Some people have interpreted =
Krishna's words saying "follow your
own dharma
> and not someone else's d=
harma" in the light of castism. Though the
concept
> of caste (varna) has=
been there in Hinduism for a long time, the
concept of
> caste mobility =
was very much there. Valmiki was a shudra who lived
by
> killing birds. H=
e became a brahmana and a maharshi later.
Vishwamitra was a
> kshatrita a=
nd a powerful king. He became a brahmana and and a
maharshi
> later. Basi=
cally varna shows one's aptitude. One starts off with
the varna
> of fath=
er, because that is what one is exposed to in childhood. As
one
> develop=
s in life, one gets one's own varna based on what one does.
>
> Thus, the =
misinterpretation of Krishna's words which tells you to
know your
> dharm=
a from your caste is wrong. Moreover, there are not just 4
dharmas in
> t=
he world. Each person has individual dharma.
>
> Knowing what one's dharma=
is is very very very difficult. If one
is pure
> enough, one will *know*=
one's dharma. In fact, all of us have a
part of our
> mind that tells us=
what our dharma is, but it is surrounded by a
lot of
> noise from other =
parts of our minds which tell other things. Thus,
we get
> confused.
>
>=
We should make the best judgment combining discrimination and
intuition a=
nd
> decide what is our dharma and follow it sincerely. We may be err,
bu=
t doing
> the best we can is all that we can do!
>
> More than following =
dharma, what is of utmost importance is to
engage in
> actions without id=
entification. *That* alone ensures that we are
not
> accumulating new kar=
mas, i.e. not increasing the load. We should
not build
> too much attachm=
ent to what we are doing. We should engage in the
best
> possible actions=
(based on our best judgment on what our dharma in
the given
> situation =
is), with as little attachment and self-identification
with the
> action =
as possible. When the action is finished, we should leave
the result
> to=
god. We should not think "I did it", "what will happen
now", "will it
> =
work" etc. Such adherence of nishkama karma yoga (unfication
through
> un=
tached action) will simplify our ego and purify our
consciousness slowly. =
> As we become purer, our mind will work sharper and tell our dharma
clea=
rer.
> There is a positive feedback here. This will slowly enable us to
s=
ee our
> dharma clearly and follow it without incurring new karmas. This i=
s
not easy,
> but not as difficult as people think.
>
> The bottomline i=
s: Even if one is not following one's dharma,
one's sense of
> "this is m=
y dharma" gets refined with time if one engages in
action with
> little a=
ttachment.
>
> * * *
>
> In deciding one's dharma, one's intellect and in=
tuition are the
inputs.
> Another external input is the words of scriptur=
es and learned men.
One can
> derive one's dharma from them. A special pl=
ace is given to one's
spiritual
> master. If one surrenders to a spiritua=
l master, one can take the
words of
> the master to determine one's dharm=
a and follow it sincerely.
>
> When Arjuna was confused about what his dha=
rma was and thought
killing gurus
> and relatives was not dharma, he had =
a guru in Krishna who
clarified his
> dharma. When Narendranath (Swami Vi=
vekananda) was confused about
his dharma
> and wanted to renounce the wor=
ld and go to a secluded place to do
sadhana,
> Ramakrishna Paramahamsa cr=
ied and prevailed upon him to stay in
the material
> world and do the wor=
k of Mother for him.
>
> One who is not in tune with nature and does not k=
now who one is,
what one's
> debts are and what nature expects from one c=
an err in the judgment
of what
> one's dharma is. If one's guru is an ele=
vated soul with a clear
insight into
> one's inner core, such a guru can =
give perfect guidance.
>
> * * *
>
> Bottomline is that I (or anybody) ca=
nnot outline a set of
principles and
> declare that as the dharma. No, dh=
arma changes from person to
person, from
> time to time and from place to=
place. Also, there are no
thumbrules to find
> out what one's dharma is.=
But, one can refine one's understanding
of one's
> dharma by increasing =
internal purity. By doing various kinds of
spiritual
> sadhana (like homa=
m, japam etc) and engaging in actions without
much
> attachment, one can =
slowly purify oneself and refine one's
understanding of
> one's individua=
l dharma.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> ------------ --------- ---------=
--------- --------- --------- -
> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.Ve=
dicAst rologer.org/ homam
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst=
rologer.org/
tarpana
> Spirituality: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedi=
c- wisdom
> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. ne=
t
> Sri =
Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org
> ------------=
--------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
>
> ----- Original M=
essage -----
> From: "dahiyajiten" <dahiyajiten@ yahoo.co. in>
> To: <vedi=
c-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 8:02 AM
> =
>
> > Namaste to all
> >
> > i just finishe=
d my Aghora series
> > and in it in last part
> > Vimalanda says path of dh=
arma is very personal.
> > Can somebody share views on that and how can we =
approach
> > towards it
> > Does it has to do something with vedas and upan=
ishads
> >
> > regards
> > jitender
>
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-----------------

From: Lakshmi Kary
=
Cc: sohamsa
Sent: Sunday, September=
28, 2008 7:49 PM
Hare Rama Krishn=

a
Dear Narasimha.
Can you please show these things are seen in the char=
t astrologically?.
1)"Some people are born with an Amsa( part) of a rishi=
s consciousness".
2)Gotra - How to find it in the chart and have you see=

n this confirmed in many charts?
Are you talking about lineage- maternal,=
paternal.
thank-you
Lakshmi
"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...=

> wrote:
=EF=BB=BF
Namaste,
There are really two different th=

ings here.
Some people are born with an amsa (part) of a rishi's consc=

iousness. For example, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa said that Narendranath (Swam=
i Vivekananda) was one of the seven great rishis. Many people did meet him.=
Thus, meeting the physical manifestation of an amsa of a rishi is not that=
difficult (though that also requires some punya).
The second thing is=

to meet the physical manifestation of the entire consciousness of a rishi.=
*That* is very very very difficult. As Vimalananda said, that may require =
a terrific amount of tapascharya (unless you are one of that rishi's people=
who came to do some work on earth and have already done a terrific amount =
of tapascharya in past lives).
* * *
One may wonder=

: If rishis are so great, why do they not get moksha and why do they remain=
in physical manifestation?
Though the following is essentially like a=

kindergartener explaining Einstein's theory of general relativity to fello=
w kindergarteners, I will nevertheless try to explain it.
All that our=

senses perceive is Maya (delusion) that is created by the power of duality=
. If the veil of delusion is removed, there is no duality and all is ONE un=
iform and undivided consciousness, known variously as Aatman or Brahman or =
Narayana or Sadashiva. This one uniform and undivided consciousness is know=
n as "unmanifested Brahman". The world of duality, where there are many dif=
ferent objects, is also actually Brahman only, but Brahman that went throug=
h some modification and manifestation. It is known as "manifested Brahman".=
Both are Brahman only.
Normally, living in the domain of duality with=

out being deluded by some aspect of duality or the other is near to impossi=
ble. Remaining in duality with a perfect understanding of the underlying on=
eness of all objects and perceiving all those objects of duality without ex=
periencing attraction or repulsion for any single object of duality is almo=
st impossible. Most spiritual aspirants try to reach the state of oneness w=
ith unmanifested Brahman - a state in which there is no duality and no obje=
ctification - and become absorbed in that state forever. That is the advait=
ic experience of "nirvikalpa samadhi" and what happens in "moksha".
Ho=
wever, maharshis have described higher states. It is possible to be in onen=
ess with manifested Brahman and unmanifested Brahman at the same time. It i=
s possible to remain in duality, with the senses perceiving objects of dual=
ity, and yet remain in oneness with the underlying oneness (Brahman) of all=
obejcts and not be deluded, i.e. not experience either attraction or repul=
sion for any object of duality. Mere perception of objects by the senses is=
not the problem. The tendency of mind to be find some attractive and find =
some repulsive is the problem. It is possible to remain in a state where th=
ere is neither attraction nor repulsion for any object is possible.
Su=
ch a state is experienced by very few beings. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Shir=
di Sai Baba etc were in this state always. Swami Vivekananda also experienc=
ed it.
Rishis are beings who are always in a very high state. They are=
always alert to the maya and yet not stuck in it. They perceive objects of=
duality and yet are not attracted or repelled by anything. If one overcome=
s attraction and repulsion and yet remains in duality, one can pretty much =
do anything. But because one is neither attracted or repelled by anything, =
it means one has no personal ego and one has no reason to do anything for p=
ersonal ego. Then one becomes an instrument of nature (Prakriti) and implem=
ents the wish of nature through one's actions, which are performed without =
any attachment or personal identification. One who has a personal ego can d=
o limited things. One who has a very very small ego can do great things. On=
e who has no ego can do ANY thing. But such a being does things that are de=
sired by Nature - the natural order of the universe. They can change the co=
urse of history of nations and planets.
A rishi in this state may enga=

ge in various actions of great consequence for the world. Yet, there is no =
attachment with the actions. He is just an unattached instrument of Nature.=
If one gets out of the duality and becomes absorbed in unmanifested B=
rahman forever, one is not born again. But a rishi who has an equal vision =
of unmanifested and manifested Brahman is for ever mukta (liberated). Thus,=
he will freely interact with duality without any fear or aversion. Amsa of=
such a rishi may even be born again as a separate person, just as a proces=
s running in a computer may spawn off a separate thread to do some focussed=
task. Even if the computer process has finished all the initialization and=
early work, the newly spawned thread has to go through initialization etc =
again. Similarly, the person born with amsa has to go through the process o=
f overcoming weaknesses and realizing self all over again. When a Vivekanan=
da is born from the amsa of a rishi, he may have to struggle initially and =
overcome the weaknesses and realize self all over again. But he is the amsa=
of an ever free and liberated being and will find his way again.
Thus=
, a liberated rishi, with the force of his liberated consciousness and with=
the force of his reborn amsas, will act as an unattached instrument of Nat=
ure performing actions of tremendous consequences without any personal ego =
driving those actions.
* * *
Worshipping the rishi =

of one's gotra and getting his blessings is a very good idea. In general, g=
etting the blessings of ANY rishi is a great idea. Pursuing the rishi of on=
e's gotra is relatively easier for most people. But, if one has a connectio=
n with a specific rishi (apart from the rishi of one's gotra), one can wors=
hip that rishi. However, it is not easy to know that.
Suppose several =
mantras you find natural attraction for have the descendants of a specific =
Maharshi as the rishi. Then you may have a connection with that Maharshi. Y=
ou can try praying to him.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 200=
8 1:30 AM
Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Anyone knows mantra for Kas=
hyap Rishi?
Dear Narasimhaji
I had a question abo=

ut Rishis. In the Aghora books, it is mentioned that the Rishis of yesterye=
ars are still alive and roam around in this planet. There are signs on thei=
r body.And that only some who has done terrific amount of tapashya is eligi=
ble to meet a Rishi. And also that praying to Rishi of ones gotra can help =
to acclerate ones spirtual progress. Kindly enlighten us with your thoughts=
on this topic. I am really curious..
Thanks in advance.
=
-Regards
Rajarshi
"This above all: to thi=

ne own self be true!" - Hamlet
--- On Thu, 25/9/08, Narasimha=

From: Narasimha P.V.R. =

Rao <pvr@...>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Anyone know=
s mantra for Kashyap Rishi?
To: vedic-astrology@yahoogroups.c=
om, vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, sivacharya@yahoo=
groups.com
=
Dear Prasad,
I do not know any specific mantra. I =

know many mantras for which Kashyapa is rishi, but no mantra to pray to Kas=
hyapa himself.
There are many mantras for Prajapati in gener=

al ("prajaapate na tvadetaanyanyo. .."), but I don't know a mantra specific=
ally to worship Kashyapa.
If you perform a homam, you can ad=

d the following line after the poorvaangam (initial five aahutis) and befor=
e the uttarangam.
Om kashyapaaya swaahaa. kashyapaayedam na =

mama.
=
Another way to worship a rishi is to take section of Veda for wh=
ich he is the rishi and try to experience that section. You can simply pick=
one rik for which Kashyapa is rishi and keep meditating on that rik. You c=
an close your eyes, keep back straight and repeat the rik mentally with swa=
ram without moving and do that everyday for a certain amount of time. Oneda=
y the rishi may be pleased with you and you may experience something.
=
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------ =
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D=
=
=
=
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> Dear Respected Member=

s,
>
> My gotra is Kashyap. I would like to kn=
ow if there is any specific mantra of Kashyap Rishi for worship. I am doing=
tarpana, so it does have offering oblations to Kashyap Rishi, but I would =
like to know specific mantra for worship.
>
> =
> Thanks & Regards,

> Prasad A. Pole
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Lakshmi,</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
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horoscope.</FO=
NT></DIV>
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rial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e=
4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=3Dlaks=
hmikary@... href=3D"mailto:lakshmikary@...">Lakshmi
Kary</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dvedic-wisdo=
m@yahoogroups.com
href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com">vedic-wis=
dom@yahoogroups.com</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:<=
/B> <A title=3Dsohamsa@yahoogroups.com
href=3D"mailto:sohamsa@yahoogroup=
s.com">sohamsa</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Su=
nday, September 28, 2008 7:49
PM</DIV>
><B>Subject:</B> Re: [vedic-wisdom] Rishis</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>H=
are Rama Krishna</DIV>
<DIV>Dear Narasimha.</DIV>
<DIV>Can you please s=
how these things are seen in the chart
astrologically?.</DIV>
<DIV>1)"=
Some people are born with an Amsa( part) of a rishis
consciousness".</DI=
V>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>2)Gotra - How to find it in the chart and hav=
e you seen this confirmed in
many charts?</DIV>
<DIV>Are you talking a=
bout lineage- maternal, paternal.</DIV>
<DIV>thank-you</DIV>
<DIV>Laksh=
mi<BR><BR><B><I>"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <<A
href=3D"mailto:pvr@charter=
.net">pvr@...</A>></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dre=
plbq
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff =
2px solid">
<DIV>=EF=BB=BF
<DIV><FONT fac=
e=3DArial size=3D2>Namaste,</FONT></DIV>
=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There are rea=
lly two different things
here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Some pe=
ople are born with an amsa (part)
of a rishi's consciousness. For=
example, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa said that
Narendranath (Swami Viveka=
nanda) was one of the seven great rishis. Many
people did meet him. Th=
us, meeting the physical manifestation of an amsa of
a rishi is not th=
at difficult (though that also requires some
punya).</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
Arial size=3D2>The second thing is to meet the physical
manifestation =
of the entire consciousness of a rishi. *That* is very very
very diffi=
cult. As Vimalananda said, that may require a terrific amount of
tapas=
charya (unless you are one of that rishi's people who came to do some
=
work on earth and have already done a terrific amount of tapascharya in pas=
t
lives).</FONT></DIV>
sp;</DIV>
sp;
* *</FONT></=
DIV>
<DIV><FON=
T face=3DArial size=3D2>One may wonder: If rishis are so great, why do
=
they not get moksha and why do they remain in physical
manifestation?=
</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Though the following is essentially like a=
kindergartener explaining Einstein's theory of general relativity to =

fellow
kindergarteners, I will nevertheless try to explain it.</FONT><=
/DIV>
<DIV><FO=
NT face=3DArial size=3D2>All that our senses perceive is Maya (delusion)
=
that is created by the power of duality. If the veil of delusion is remo=
ved,
there is no duality and all is ONE uniform and undivided consciou=
sness,
known variously as Aatman or Brahman or Narayana or Sadashiva. =
This one
uniform and undivided consciousness is known as "unmanifested=
Brahman". The
world of duality, where there are many different object=
s, is also actually
Brahman only, but Brahman that went through some m=
odification and
manifestation. It is known as "manifested Brahman". Bo=
th are Brahman
only.</FONT></DIV>
></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Normally, living =
in the domain of duality
without being deluded by some aspect of duali=
ty or the other is near to
impossible. Remaining in duality with a per=
fect understanding of the
underlying oneness of all objects and percei=
ving all those objects of
duality without experiencing attraction or r=
epulsion for any single object
of duality is almost impossible. Most s=
piritual aspirants try to reach the
state of oneness with unmanifested=
Brahman - a state in which there is no
duality and no objectification=
- and become absorbed in that state forever.
That is the advaitic exp=
erience of "nirvikalpa samadhi" and what happens in
"moksha".</FONT></=
DIV>
<DIV><FON=
T face=3DArial size=3D2>However, maharshis have described higher
state=
s. It is possible to be in oneness with manifested Brahman and
unmanif=
ested Brahman at the same time. It is possible to remain in duality,
w=
ith the senses perceiving objects of duality, and yet remain in oneness
=
with the underlying oneness (Brahman) of all obejcts and not be deluded, =
i.e. not experience either attraction or repulsion for any object of

=
duality. Mere perception of objects by the senses is not the problem. T=
he
tendency of mind to be find some attractive and find some repulsive=
is the
problem. It is possible to remain in a state where there is ne=
ither
attraction nor repulsion for any object is possible.</FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV><FONT f=
ace=3DArial size=3D2>Such a state is experienced by very few beings.
R=
amakrishna Paramahamsa, Shirdi Sai Baba etc were in this state always.
=
Swami Vivekananda also experienced it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ris=
his are beings who are always in a very high
state. They are always al=
ert to the maya and yet not stuck in it. They
perceive objects of dual=
ity and yet are not attracted or repelled by
anything. If one overcome=
s attraction and repulsion and yet remains in
duality, one can pretty =
much do anything. But because one is neither
attracted or repelled by =
anything, it means one has no personal ego and one
has no reason to do=
anything for personal ego. Then one becomes an
instrument of nature (=
Prakriti) and implements the wish of nature through
one's actions, whi=
ch are performed without any attachment or personal
identification. On=
e who has a personal ego can do limited things. One
who has a ver=
y very small ego can do great things. One who has no ego can do
ANY th=
ing. But such a being does things that are desired by Nature - the
nat=
ural order of the universe. They can change the course of history of
n=
ations and planets.</FONT></DIV>
T> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A rishi in this state m=
ay engage in various
actions of great consequence for the world. Yet, =
there is no attachment with
the actions. He is just an unattached inst=
rument of Nature.</FONT></DIV>
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If one gets out of the du=
ality and becomes
absorbed in unmanifested Brahman forever, one is not=
born again. But a rishi
who has an equal vision of unmanifested and m=
anifested Brahman is for ever
mukta (liberated). Thus, he will freely =
interact with duality without any
fear or aversion. Amsa of such a ris=
hi may even be born again as a separate
person, just as a process runn=
ing in a computer may spawn off a separate
thread to do some focussed =
task. Even if the computer process has finished
all the initialization=
and early work, the newly spawned thread has to go
through initializa=
tion etc again. Similarly, the person born with amsa has
to go through=
the process of overcoming weaknesses and realizing self all
over =
;again. When a Vivekananda is born from the amsa of a rishi, he may
ha=
ve to struggle initially and overcome the weaknesses and realize self all
=
over again. But he is the amsa of an ever free and liberated being and =
will
find his way again.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thus, a liber=
ated rishi, with the force of his
liberated consciousness and with the=
force of his reborn amsas, will act as
an unattached instrument of Na=
ture performing actions of tremendous
consequences without any persona=
l ego driving those actions.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
bsp;
* &nbs=
FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Worshipping the rish=
i of one's gotra and
getting his blessings is a very good idea. In gen=
eral, getting the blessings
of ANY rishi is a great idea. Pursuing the=
rishi of one's gotra is
relatively easier for most people. But, if on=
e has a connection with a
specific rishi (apart from the rishi of one'=
s gotra), one can worship that
rishi. However, it is not easy to know =
that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Suppose several mantras you find natu=

ral
attraction for have the descendants of a specific Maharshi as the =
rishi.
Then you may have a connection with that Maharshi. You can try =
praying to
him.</FONT></DIV>
NT> </DIV>
regards,<BR>=
Narasimha<BR>------------<WBR>---------<WBR>---------<WBR>---------<WBR>---=
------<WBR>---------<WBR>---------<BR>Do
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<DI=
V style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
ti=
tle=3Drajarshi14@... href=3D"mailto:rajarshi14@...">rajarsh=
i
nandy</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> =
<A
wisdom@yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com</A>
<=
/DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, Septembe=
r 25, 2008
1:30 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Su=
bject:</B> Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re:
Anyone knows mantra for Kashyap Ri=
shi?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial=
size=3D2></FONT>
=
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop>
<DIV><=
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size=3D2>=
</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial
s=
ize=3D2></FONT><BR>Dear Narasimhaji</DIV>
<DIV>I had a question about Ris=
his. In the Aghora books, it is
mentioned that the Rishis of y=
esteryears are still alive and roam
around in this planet. The=
re are signs on their body.And that only
some who has done ter=
rific amount of tapashya is eligible to meet a
Rishi. And also=
that praying to Rishi of ones gotra can help to
acclerate one=
s spirtual progress. Kindly enlighten us with your
thoughts on=
this topic. I am really curious..</DIV>
=
=
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<=
DIV><EM><STRONG>
=
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This
=
above all: to thine own self be true!" -
Hamlet</SPAN=
></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On
<B>Thu, 25/=
9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao
<I><pvr@charter.<WBR>net></I>=
</B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255=
) 2px solid">From:
Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter.<WBR=
>net><BR>Subject:
[vedic-wisdom] Re: Anyone knows mantra =
for Kashyap Rishi?<BR>To:
vedic-astrology@<WBR>yahoogroups.<=
WBR>com,
vedic-wisdom@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com,
=
sohamsa@yahoogroups<WBR>.com,
sivacharya@yahoogro<WBR>up=
s.com<BR>Date: Thursday, 25 September,
2008, 5:36 AM<BR><BR>=
<DIV id=3Dyiv575864938>
=
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Pras=
ad,</FONT></DIV>
p;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I do not know any s=
pecific mantra. I
know many mantras for which Kashyapa is ri=
shi, but no mantra to
pray to Kashyapa himself.</FONT></DIV>=

=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There are many mantras for Prajapat=
i
in general ("prajaapate na tvadetaanyanyo. .."), but I don=
't know
a mantra specifically to worship Kashyapa.</FONT></D=
IV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you perform a homam, you can =
add
the following line after the poorvaangam (initial five a=
ahutis)
and before the uttarangam.</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><=
FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Om kashyapaaya swaahaa.
kashyapaa=
yedam na mama.</FONT></DIV>
</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Say it a=
nd make an offering
of ghee for Kashyapa.</FONT></DIV>
=
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Another way to worship a rishi is to=
take section of Veda for which he is the rishi and try to

=
experience that section. You can simply pick one rik for whic=
h
Kashyapa is rishi and keep meditating on that rik. You can=
close
your eyes, keep back straight and repeat the rik ment=
ally with
swaram without moving and do that everyday for a c=
ertain amount of
time. Oneday the rishi may be pleased with =
you and you may
experience something.</FONT></DIV>
=
<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best
------------ --------- ---------
--------- --------- -------=
-- ---------<BR>Do a Short Homam
Yourself: <A href=3D"http:/=
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ow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/
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rpanas Yourself: <A
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</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Dear Resp=
ected Members,<BR>>
<BR>> My gotra is Kashyap. I would=
like to know if there is any
specific mantra of Kashyap Ris=
hi for worship. I am doing tarpana,
so it does have offering=
oblations to Kashyap Rishi, but I would
like to know specif=
ic mantra for worship.<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> Thank=
s & Regards, <BR>> Prasad A. Pole
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Dear Lakshmi,
The Yogananda I mentioned is different. Swami Yogananda is =

one of the sixteen monastic disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, along wit=
h Swami Vivekananda. He was forced to marry, but never slept with his own w=
ife. Swami Vivekananda once said "if any of us (disciples of Ramakrishna) c=
onquered lust completely and in all respects, it is Joginder (Swami Yoganan=
da)". There is no question of Swami Yogananda being accused of drinking and=
having women etc.
Paramahamsa Yogananda is a sishya of Yukteshwar Mahara=

j and from the lineage of Mahavatar Babaji. They practice kriya yoga. I do =
not know much about him.
* * *
The link you gave is abo=

ut neither Swami Yogananda nor Paramahamsa Yogananda, but some propaganda a=
bout Ramakrishna Paramahamsa himself, based on some bali he apparently gave=
. So I am unsure exactly who you wanted to talk about..
Best regards,
Nar=
asimha
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From: Lakshmi Kary
To: vedic-wisdom@yahoo=
groups.com
Subject: Re: Dharm=
a
Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Narasimha,
Ive read several apparently der=
ogatory things about Paramahamsa Yogananda- that he ate meat, drank and had=
women at different times. Some accounts seem very authoratative so I am in=
clined to believe where there is smoke there is fire.
How can we reconcil=
he is spiritually special when he was involved in some many other worldly =
things.?
http://ramakrishnayb.blogspot.com/2008/02/95-where-is-safety-for=
-fish-and-goats.html
Best wishes
Lakshmi
"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr=

@...> wrote:
=EF=BB=BF
Namaste,
I meant it figurative=
ly.
For the reference on Yogananda, you can read the section on Swami =
Yogananda in "God Lived with Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Discipl=
es of Sri Ramakrishna" by Swami Chetanananda.
* * *
=
There have been many great yogis, babas, saints and swamis in the last few=
thousand years of Kali yuga. But Ramakrishna Paramahamsa stands out in one=
way. He is one master who mastered every single path. He mastered bhakti y=
oga, jnaana yoga, karma yoga and even raaja yoga. He worshipped and experie=
nced Rama, Krishna, Kaali and several forms. He even reached the state of n=
irvikalpa samadhi, where there is no "experience". He was in sahaja samadhi=
always. He was able induce tremendous experience in people by mere touch o=
r mere look. Yet he was simple like a child and had zero ego (that is why h=
e could do all that!!!).
Many "gurus" force their dharma on their sish=

yas and have no ability to recognize the true nature and dharma of each sis=
hya. They force sishyas to chant the mantra they chant, worship the form th=
ey worship and walk the path they walk. Ramakrishna had deep insight into t=
he true nature of each sishya and gave specific instructions. He taught tot=
ally different mantras, totally different forms and totally different paths=
to different sishyas. He even taught contradictory things to different sis=
hyas. When one sishya who needed to mend his aggressive attitude roughed up=
somebody for insulting his guru, he scolded "shame on you. With your attit=
ude, you did not defend your guru, but brought shame to him. You should lea=
rn to be calm and ignore such insults. THAT will place your guru in a good =
stead and not your aggression". When another sishya who needed to mend his =
soft demeanor ignored insults of Ramakrishna by some people and came away s=
ilently, he scolded him "shame on you. Shastras say that you should kill on=
e who insults your guru. How can you ignore such wrong behavior? You should=
give them a piece of your mind."
Spiritual sadhana does not mean just=

chanting a mantra or repeating a procedure everyday for a certain period o=
f time. Spiritual sadhana is a continuous process by which one transforms o=
neself from inside out and purifies oneself. That way, every action and eve=
ry thought becomes a sadhana and offers an opportunity for introspection an=
d transformation of internal attitude.
Anyway, coming back to the poin=

t, Ramakrishna is not a normal sadhaka or a normal guru. He belonged to a v=
ery special class of sadhakas and he was an exceptional guru to an exceptio=
nal group of sishyas.
Without his [indirect] blessings, I would be a n=

obody and would be lower than dirt. I would not be able to say anything int=
elligent or meaningful in spiritual matters. Those who are impressed/inspir=
ed by something I write should be thankful to my guru Dr Manish Pandit and =
to Sri Ramakrishna for showering their grace using me as an instrument and =
not to me.
BTW, you are all free to forward my posts that you like to =
people who may be interested in spiritual discussions. I have no problem. A=
s I said before, I am a servant distributing the wealth of a king (Mother) =
as asked by the minister (my guru).
Best regards,
Narasimha
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From: rajarshi na=
ndy
Sent: Sunday, September =
28, 2008 2:44 PM
=
Dear Narasimhaji
=
I did not understand one line of your post. You said during the t=
ime of Mahabhrata there was tremendous weight on this planet. I could not c=
ompletely understand what you ment by this. Is it a literal meaning of figu=
ratative meaning?
Also, could you tell me the name of referenc=

e of the book where Sri Ramakrishna says Yogananda was Arjuna.
=
=
-Regards
Rajarshi
"This above all: t=

o thine own self be true!" - Hamlet
--- On Sun, 28/9/08, Nara=
simha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrote:
From: Narasimha P.=

V.R. Rao <pvr@...>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Dharma=
Cc: sivachary=
a@yahoogroups.com
=
Namaste,
As Vimalananda says, dharma is inde=

ed personal. Krishna clearly says in
Bhagavad Geeta "Follow =
your own dharma. It is dangerous to follow someone
else's dh=
arma".
Following the path of dharma basically means engaging=

in the right
action/duty. Right action varies from person t=
o person, from time to time
and from place to place. It is d=
ependent on what nature expects from you,
which in turn is b=
ased on who you have been in the past, what actions you
did =
in the past while identifying with the action, who you affected in the
=
past (and how) with the actions that you identified with, what d=
ebts you
created in the process, and what mental tendencies =
you accumulated until
now.
If, based on one's=

mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person
t=
o kill evil persons, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's mental
=
tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person to spread =
the message of
uniformity of all religions, that becomes one=
's dharma. If, based on one's
mental tendencies and karmic d=
ebts, nature wants a person to spread the
ritual of homam in=
the world, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's
me=
ntal tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person to make a lot of
=
=
* * *
The dharma of a being may change from one li=

fe to another.
At the time of Mahabharata war, it was Arjuna=

's dharma to kill his gurus,
elders and relatives. The time =
then was such that there was too much weight
on earth and na=
ture wanted earth to be relieved of some weight. Tremendous
=
destruction was to take place and civilization destroyed to a great extent,=
to welcome Kali yuga and set the tone for it. Arjuna being =
a great warrior,
it was his dharma to facilitate that. Some =
respected were on the other side =
and it was his dharma to kill them.
When the same Arjuna was=

born again in the 19th century as one of
Ramakrishna Parama=
hamsa' s sishyas (Swami Yogananda had been Arjuna in a
previ=
ous life, according to Ramakrishna) , his dharma was different in this
=
new time and place. He was born to renounce material life despit=
e his
aristocratic upbringing and live the simple life of a =
monk and inspire
generations to embrace a simple life of men=
tal detachment and service to
others. When he is born again =
(which he has to, as per what Ramakrishna
said), his dharma =
based on the time and place may be something else.
* * *
=
The tricky question is: How does one decide what is one's dharm=
a?
Some people have interpreted Krishna's words saying "foll=

ow your own dharma
and not someone else's dharma" in the lig=
ht of castism. Though the concept
of caste (varna) has been =
there in Hinduism for a long time, the concept of
caste mobi=
lity was very much there. Valmiki was a shudra who lived by
=
killing birds. He became a brahmana and a maharshi later. Vishwamitra was a=
kshatrita and a powerful king. He became a brahmana and and=

a maharshi
later. Basically varna shows one's aptitude. One=
starts off with the varna
of father, because that is what o=
ne is exposed to in childhood. As one
develops in life, one =
Thus, the misin=

terpretation of Krishna's words which tells you to know your
=
dharma from your caste is wrong. Moreover, there are not just 4 dharmas in=
=
Knowing what one's dharma is is very very very difficult. If one is pure =
enough, one will *know* one's dharma. In fact, all of us hav=

e a part of our
mind that tells us what our dharma is, but i=
t is surrounded by a lot of
noise from other parts of our mi=
nds which tell other things. Thus, we get
confused.
=
We should make the best judgment combining discrimination and intuit=
ion and
decide what is our dharma and follow it sincerely. W=
e may be err, but doing
the best we can is all that we can d=
o!
More than following dharma, what is of utmost importance =

is to engage in
actions without identification. *That* alone=
ensures that we are not
accumulating new karmas, i.e. not i=
ncreasing the load. We should not build
too much attachment =
to what we are doing. We should engage in the best
possible =
actions (based on our best judgment on what our dharma in the given
=
situation is), with as little attachment and self-identification wi=
th the
action as possible. When the action is finished, we s=
hould leave the result
to god. We should not think "I did it=
", "what will happen now", "will it
work" etc. Such adherenc=
e of nishkama karma yoga (unfication through
untached action=
) will simplify our ego and purify our consciousness slowly.
=
As we become purer, our mind will work sharper and tell our dharma clearer=
.
There is a positive feedback here. This will slowly enable=
us to see our
dharma clearly and follow it without incurrin=
g new karmas. This is not easy,
but not as difficult as peop=
le think.
The bottomline is: Even if one is not following on=

e's dharma, one's sense of
"this is my dharma" gets refined =
with time if one engages in action with
little attachment.
=
* * *
In deciding one's dharma, one's intellec=

t and intuition are the inputs.
Another external input is th=
e words of scriptures and learned men. One can
derive one's =
dharma from them. A special place is given to one's spiritual
=
master. If one surrenders to a spiritual master, one can take the words o=
f
the master to determine one's dharma and follow it sincere=
ly.
When Arjuna was confused about what his dharma was and t=
hought killing gurus
and relatives was not dharma, he had a =
guru in Krishna who clarified his
dharma. When Narendranath =
(Swami Vivekananda) was confused about his dharma
and wanted=
to renounce the world and go to a secluded place to do sadhana,
=
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa cried and prevailed upon him to stay in the ma=
terial
=
One who is not in tune with nature and does not know who one is, what on=
e's
debts are and what nature expects from one can err in th=
e judgment of what
one's dharma is. If one's guru is an elev=
ated soul with a clear insight into
one's inner core, such a=
guru can give perfect guidance.
* * *
Bottom=
line is that I (or anybody) cannot outline a set of principles and
=
declare that as the dharma. No, dharma changes from person to person=
, from
time to time and from place to place. Also, there are=
no thumbrules to find
out what one's dharma is. But, one ca=
n refine one's understanding of one's
dharma by increasing i=
nternal purity. By doing various kinds of spiritual
sadhana =
(like homam, japam etc) and engaging in actions without much
=
attachment, one can slowly purify oneself and refine one's understanding o=
f
Best regards,
=
Narasimha
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Subject: [vedic-wi=
sdom] Dharma
> Namaste to all

>
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> towards it
> Does it has to do something with vedas and upa=
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ize=3D2>The Yogananda I mentioned is different. Swami
Yogananda is one of =
the sixteen monastic disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,
along with Swam=
i Vivekananda. He was forced to marry, but never slept with his
own wife.&=
nbsp;Swami Vivekananda once said "if any of us (disciples of
Ramakrishna) =
conquered lust completely and in all respects, it is Joginder
(Swami Yogan=
anda)". There is no question of Swami Yogananda being accused of
drinking =
and having women etc.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paramahamsa Yogananda is a si=
shya of Yukteshwar
Maharaj and from the lineage of Mahavatar Babaji. They =
practice kriya yoga. I do
not know much about him.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
>*
* &nbs=
p; *</FONT></DIV>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The link you gave is a=
bout neither Swami Yogananda
nor Paramahamsa Yogananda, but some propagand=
a about Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
himself, based on some bali he apparently =
gave. So I am unsure exactly who you
wanted to talk about..</FONT></DIV>
<=
<DIV>Best
regards,<BR>=
Narasimha<BR>--------------------------------------------------------------=
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-- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FO=
NT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=3Dlakshmikary@y=
ahoo.com href=3D"mailto:lakshmikary@...">Lakshmi
Kary</A> </DIV>
=
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dvedic-wisdom@yahoogr=
oups.com
href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@yahoo=
groups.com</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sun=
day, September 28, 2008 7:59
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">=
<B>Subject:</B> Re: Dharma</DIV>
<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT
face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><F=
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size=3D2></FONT><FON=
T face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2></FONT><BR></=
DIV>
<DIV>Hare Rama Krishna</DIV>
<DIV>Dear Narasimha,</DIV>
<DIV>Ive=
read several apparently derogatory things about Paramahamsa
Yogananda- =
that he ate meat, drank and had women at different times. Some
accounts =
seem very authoratative so I am inclined to believe where there is
smoke=
there is fire.</DIV>
<DIV>How can we reconcil he is spiritually special&=
nbsp;when he was involved
in some many other worldly things.?</DIV>
<D=
IV><A
href=3D"http://ramakrishnayb.blogspot.com/2008/02/95-where-is-safe=
ty-for-fish-and-goats.html">http://ramakrishnayb.blogspot.com/2008/02/95-wh=
ere-is-safety-for-fish-and-goats.html</A></DIV>
<DIV>Best wishes</DIV>
=
<DIV>Lakshmi<BR><BR><B><I>"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
<pvr@...>=
</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Namaste,</=
FONT></DIV>
<D=
IV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I meant it figuratively.</FONT></DIV>
<D=
ial size=3D2>For the reference on Yogananda, you can read
the section =
on Swami Yogananda in "God Lived with Them: Life Stories of
Sixteen Mo=
nastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna" by Swami
Chetanananda.</FONT></DI=
V>
<DIV><FONT =
*&nb=
sp; *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
There have been many great yogis, babas, saints
and swamis in the last=
few thousand years of Kali yuga. But Ramakrishna
Paramahamsa stands o=
ut in one way. He is one master who mastered every
single path. He mas=
tered bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga, karma yoga and even raaja
yoga. He wor=
shipped and experienced Rama, Krishna, Kaali and several forms.
He eve=
n reached the state of nirvikalpa samadhi, where there is no
"experien=
ce"<WBR>. He was in sahaja samadhi always. He was able induce
tremendo=
us experience in people by mere touch or mere look. Yet he was
simple =
like a child and had zero ego (that is why he could do all
that!!!).</=
FONT></DIV>
<D=
IV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Many "gurus" force their dharma on their
=
sishyas and have no ability to recognize the true nature and dharma of ea=
ch
sishya. They force sishyas to chant the mantra they chant, worship =
the form
they worship and walk the path they walk. Ramakrishna had dee=
p insight into
the true nature of each sishya and gave specific instru=
ctions. He taught
totally different mantras, totally different forms a=
nd totally different
paths to different sishyas. He even taught contra=
dictory things to different
sishyas. When one sishya who needed to men=
d his aggressive attitude roughed
up somebody for insulting his guru, =
he scolded "shame on you. With your
attitude, you did not defend your =
guru, but brought shame to him. You should
learn to be calm and ignore=
such insults. THAT will place your guru in a
good stead and not your =
aggression". When another sishya who needed to mend
his soft demeanor =
ignored insults of Ramakrishna by some people and came
away silently, =
he scolded him "shame on you. Shastras say that you should
kill one wh=
o insults your guru. How can you ignore such wrong behavior? You
shoul=
d give them a piece of your mind."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Spiritua=
l sadhana does not mean just chanting a
mantra or repeating a pro=
cedure everyday for a certain period of time.
Spiritual sadhana is a c=
ontinuous process by which one transforms oneself
from inside out and =
purifies oneself. That way, every action and every
thought become=
s a sadhana and offers an opportunity for introspection
and transforma=
tion of internal attitude.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway, com=
ing back to the point, Ramakrishna
is not a normal sadhaka or a normal=
guru. He belonged to a very special
class of sadhakas and he was an e=
xceptional guru to an exceptional group of
sishyas.</FONT></DIV>
<=
rial size=3D2>Without his [indirect] blessings, I would be a
nobody an=
d would be lower than dirt. I would not be able to say anything
intell=
igent or meaningful in spiritual matters. Those who are
impressed/insp=
ired by something I write should be thankful to my guru Dr
Manish Pand=
it and to Sri Ramakrishna for showering their grace using me as
an ins=
trument and not to me.</FONT></DIV>
FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>BTW, you are all fre=
e to forward my posts that
you like to people who may be interested in=
spiritual discussions. I have no
problem. As I said before, I am a se=
rvant distributing the wealth of a king
(Mother) as asked by the minis=
ter (my guru).</FONT></DIV>
sp;</DIV>
regards,<BR>Narasi=
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PM</DIV>
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> Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re:
Dharma</DIV>
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<DIV>Dear Narasimhaji<=
/DIV>
=
<D=
<DIV>I did n=
ot understand one line of your post. You said during the
time =
of Mahabhrata there was tremendous weight on this planet. I
co=
uld not completely understand what you ment by this. Is it a
l=
iteral meaning of figuratative meaning?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV>Also, could you tell=
me the name of reference of the book where
Sri Ramakrishna sa=
ys Yogananda was Arjuna. </DIV>
2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Thank you once again for your mails =
which are an inspiration to
us all.</DIV>
<DIV><FO=
<DIV>-Regards</DIV=
>
<DIV><EM><STRON=
G>
style=3D"F=
ONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This
above=
Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DI=
V></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On
<B>Sun, 28/9/08, Narasimh=
a P.V.R. Rao
<I><pvr@charter.<WBR>net></I></B> wrote:<BR=
>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">F=
rom:
Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter.<WBR>net><BR>Su=
bject:
[vedic-wisdom] Re: Dharma<BR>To:
vedic=
-wisdom@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com<BR>Cc:
sivacharya@yahoogro=
<WBR>ups.com<BR>Date: Sunday, 28 September,
2008, 12:11 AM<B=
R><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv1326530499>
<DIV id=3Dygrp-=
text>
<DIV>Namaste,<BR><BR>As Vimalananda says, dharma is ind=
eed
personal. Krishna clearly says in <BR>Bhagavad Geeta "Fo=
llow your
own dharma. It is dangerous to follow someone <BR>=
else's
dharma".<BR><BR>Following the path of dharma basicall=
y means
engaging in the right <BR>action/duty. Right action =
varies from
person to person, from time to time <BR>and from=
place to place.
It is dependent on what nature expects from=
you, <BR>which in turn
is based on who you have been in the=
past, what actions you
<BR>did in the past while identifyin=
g with the action, who you
affected in the <BR>past (and how=
) with the actions that you
identified with, what debts you =
<BR>created in the process, and
what mental tendencies you a=
ccumulated until <BR>now.<BR><BR>If,
based on one's mental t=
endencies and karmic debts, nature wants a
person <BR>to kil=
l evil persons, that becomes one's dharma. If,
based on one'=
s mental <BR>tendencies and karmic debts, nature
wants a per=
son to spread the message of <BR>uniformity of all
religions=
, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's
<BR>mental t=
endencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person to
spread =
the <BR>ritual of homam in the world, that becomes one's
dha=
rma. If, based on one's <BR>mental tendencies and karmic debts,
=
nature wants a person to make a lot of <BR>money and construct a
=
temple, that becomes one's dharma.<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>The dharma =
of a being may change from one life to another.<BR><BR>At th=

e time
of Mahabharata war, it was Arjuna's dharma to kill hi=
s gurus,
<BR>elders and relatives. The time then was such th=
at there was
too much weight <BR>on earth and nature wanted =
earth to be
relieved of some weight. Tremendous <BR>destruct=
ion was to take
place and civilization destroyed to a great =
extent, <BR>to welcome
Kali yuga and set the tone for it. Ar=
juna being a great warrior,
<BR>it was his dharma to facilit=
ate that. Some people he deeply
loved and <BR>respected were=
on the other side and it was his
dharma to kill them.<BR><B=
R>When the same Arjuna was born again in
the 19th century as=
one of <BR>Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s sishyas
(Swami Yogana=
nda had been Arjuna in a <BR>previous life, according
to Ram=
akrishna) , his dharma was different in this <BR>new time
an=
d place. He was born to renounce material life despite his
<=
BR>aristocratic upbringing and live the simple life of a monk and
=
inspire <BR>generations to embrace a simple life of mental
=
detachment and service to <BR>others. When he is born again (which
=
he has to, as per what Ramakrishna <BR>said), his dharma based =
on
the time and place may be something else.<BR><BR>* * *<BR=
><BR>The
tricky question is: How does one decide what is one=
's
dharma?<BR><BR>Some people have interpreted Krishna's wor=
ds saying
"follow your own dharma <BR>and not someone else's=
dharma" in the
light of castism. Though the concept <BR>of =
caste (varna) has been
there in Hinduism for a long time, th=
e concept of <BR>caste
mobility was very much there. Valmiki=
was a shudra who lived by
<BR>killing birds. He became a br=
ahmana and a maharshi later.
Vishwamitra was a <BR>kshatrita=
and a powerful king. He became a
brahmana and and a maharsh=
i <BR>later. Basically varna shows one's
aptitude. One start=
s off with the varna <BR>of father, because
that is what one=
is exposed to in childhood. As one <BR>develops
in life, on=
e gets one's own varna based on what one
does.<BR><BR>Thus, =
the misinterpretation of Krishna's words which
tells you to =
know your <BR>dharma from your caste is wrong.
Moreover, the=
re are not just 4 dharmas in <BR>the world. Each
person has =
individual dharma.<BR><BR>Knowing what one's dharma is
is ve=
ry very very difficult. If one is pure <BR>enough, one will
=
*know* one's dharma. In fact, all of us have a part of our
<=
BR>mind that tells us what our dharma is, but it is surrounded by
=
a lot of <BR>noise from other parts of our minds which tell other
=
things. Thus, we get <BR>confused.<BR><BR>We should make the be=
st
judgment combining discrimination and intuition and <BR>d=
ecide
what is our dharma and follow it sincerely. We may be =
err, but
doing <BR>the best we can is all that we can do!<BR=
><BR>More than
following dharma, what is of utmost importanc=
e is to engage in
<BR>actions without identification. *That*=
alone ensures that we
are not <BR>accumulating new karmas, =
i.e. not increasing the load.
We should not build <BR>too mu=
ch attachment to what we are doing.
We should engage in the =
best <BR>possible actions (based on our
best judgment on wha=
t our dharma in the given <BR>situation is),
with as little =
attachment and self-identification with the
<BR>action as po=
ssible. When the action is finished, we should
leave the res=
ult <BR>to god. We should not think "I did it", "what
will h=
appen now", "will it <BR>work" etc. Such adherence of
nishka=
ma karma yoga (unfication through <BR>untached action) will
=
simplify our ego and purify our consciousness slowly. <BR>As we
=
become purer, our mind will work sharper and tell our dharma
=
clearer. <BR>There is a positive feedback here. This will slowly
=
enable us to see our <BR>dharma clearly and follow it without
=
incurring new karmas. This is not easy, <BR>but not as difficul=
t
as people think.<BR><BR>The bottomline is: Even if one is =
not
following one's dharma, one's sense of <BR>"this is my d=
harma"
gets refined with time if one engages in action with =
<BR>little
attachment.<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>In deciding one's=
dharma, one's
intellect and intuition are the inputs. <BR>A=
nother external input
is the words of scriptures and learned=
men. One can <BR>derive
one's dharma from them. A special p=
lace is given to one's
spiritual <BR>master. If one surrende=
rs to a spiritual master, one
can take the words of <BR>the =
master to determine one's dharma and
follow it sincerely.<BR=
><BR>When Arjuna was confused about what
his dharma was and =
thought killing gurus <BR>and relatives was not
dharma, he h=
ad a guru in Krishna who clarified his <BR>dharma.
When Nare=
ndranath (Swami Vivekananda) was confused about his
dharma <=
BR>and wanted to renounce the world and go to a secluded
pla=
ce to do sadhana, <BR>Ramakrishna Paramahamsa cried and
prev=
ailed upon him to stay in the material <BR>world and do the
=
work of Mother for him.<BR><BR>One who is not in tune with nature
=
and does not know who one is, what one's <BR>debts are and what
=
nature expects from one can err in the judgment of what <BR>one's=
dharma is. If one's guru is an elevated soul with a clear i=

nsight
into <BR>one's inner core, such a guru can give perfe=
ct
guidance.<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>Bottomline is that I (or an=
ybody)
cannot outline a set of principles and <BR>declare th=
at as the
dharma. No, dharma changes from person to person, =
from <BR>time to
time and from place to place. Also, there a=
re no thumbrules to
find <BR>out what one's dharma is. But, =
one can refine one's
understanding of one's <BR>dharma by in=
creasing internal purity.
By doing various kinds of spiritua=
l <BR>sadhana (like homam, japam
etc) and engaging in action=
s without much <BR>attachment, one can
slowly purify oneself=
and refine one's understanding of <BR>one's
individual dhar=
ma.<BR><BR>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------ ------=
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<BR>From: "dahiyajiten" <<A
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iten%40yahoo.co.in" target=3D_blank
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en@ yahoo.co. in</A>><BR>To: <<A
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ic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>><BR>Sent:
Saturday, Septe=
mber 27, 2008 8:02 AM<BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom]
Dharma<BR><=
BR>> Namaste to all<BR>><BR>> i just finished
my Ag=
hora series<BR>> and in it in last part<BR>> Vimalanda
=
says path of dharma is very personal.<BR>> Can somebody share
=
views on that and how can we approach<BR>> towards it<BR>>
=
Does it has to do something with vedas and
upanis=
hads<BR>><BR>> regards<BR>>
jitender<BR><BR></DIV><=
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2008 04:57:30 -0000
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 04:57:30 -0000
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Subject: The Yogi and the Other Spiritual Giant !!!
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Narasimha Garu,
You mentioned a couple of weeks back that While meditating=

in Garbha
Gruha, you saw the yogi who was also meditating beside you and =
then
the person was changed to a well known Spiritual Giant of yesteryaers=
.
When i read that message, i instantly undestood that you are refering
t=
o Thakur Ramkrishna. and the yogi you mentioned was Shri Manish
Pandit.
y=
ours,
Utpal

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Sir,
=C2=A0
Jai Ramakrishna. You are indeed blessed. Jai Ramakrishna.
=C2=
=A0
-Regards
=C2=A0Rajarshi
"This above all: to thine own self be true!"=

- Hamlet
--- On Mon, 29/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrot=

e:

Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re=
: Dharma
Da=
te: Monday, 29 September, 2008, 4:11 AM
=EF=BB=BF
Namaste,
=C2=A0
I =
meant it figuratively.
=C2=A0
For the reference on Yogananda, you can read =
the section on Swami Yogananda in "God Lived with Them: Life Stories of Six=
teen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna" by Swami Chetanananda.
=C2=A0
*=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 *
=C2=A0
There have been many great yogis, babas, saints and s=
wamis in the last few thousand years of Kali yuga. But Ramakrishna Paramaha=
msa stands out in one way. He is one master who mastered every single path.=
He mastered bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga, karma yoga and even raaja yoga. He w=
orshipped and experienced Rama, Krishna, Kaali and several forms. He even r=
eached the state of nirvikalpa samadhi, where there is no "experience" . He=
was in sahaja samadhi always. He was able induce tremendous experience in =
people by mere touch or mere look. Yet he was simple like a child and had z=
ero ego (that is why he could do all that!!!).
=C2=A0
Many "gurus" force th=
eir dharma on their sishyas and have no ability to recognize the true natur=
e and dharma of each sishya. They force sishyas to chant the mantra they ch=
ant, worship the form they worship and walk the path they walk. Ramakrishna=
had deep insight into the true nature of each sishya and gave specific ins=
tructions. He taught totally different mantras, totally different forms and=
totally different paths to different sishyas. He even taught contradictory=
things to different sishyas. When one sishya who needed to mend his aggres=
sive attitude roughed up somebody for insulting his guru, he scolded "shame=
on you. With your attitude, you did not defend your guru, but brought sham=
e to him. You should learn to be calm and ignore such insults. THAT will pl=
ace your guru in a good stead and not your aggression". When another sishya=
who needed to mend his soft demeanor ignored insults of Ramakrishna by som=
e people and came away silently, he scolded him
"shame on you. Shastras sa=
y that you should kill one who insults your guru. How can you ignore such w=
rong behavior? You should give them a piece of your mind."
=C2=A0
Spiritual=
sadhana does not mean just chanting a mantra=C2=A0or repeating a procedure=
everyday for a certain period of time. Spiritual sadhana is a continuous p=
rocess by which one transforms oneself from inside out and purifies oneself=
. That way, every action and every thought=C2=A0becomes a sadhana and offer=
s an opportunity for introspection and transformation of=C2=A0internal atti=
tude.
=C2=A0
Anyway, coming back to the point, Ramakrishna is not a normal =
sadhaka or a normal guru. He belonged to a very special class of sadhakas a=
nd he was an exceptional guru to an exceptional group of sishyas.
=C2=A0
Wi=
thout his [indirect] blessings, I would be a nobody and would be lower than=
dirt. I would not be able to say anything intelligent or meaningful in spi=
ritual matters. Those who are impressed/inspired by something I write shoul=
d be thankful to my guru Dr Manish Pandit and to Sri Ramakrishna for shower=
ing their grace using me as an instrument and not to me.
=C2=A0
BTW, you ar=
e all free to forward my posts that you like to people who may be intereste=
d in spiritual discussions. I have no problem. As I said before, I am a ser=
vant distributing the wealth of a king (Mother) as asked by the minister (m=
y guru).
=C2=A0
Best regards,
Narasimha
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e -----
Sent: Su=
nday, September 28, 2008 2:44 PM
=C2=
=A0
Dear Narasimhaji
=C2=A0
=
=C2=A0
I did not understand one line of your post. You said during the time=
of Mahabhrata there was tremendous weight on this planet. I could not comp=
letely understand what you ment by this. Is it a literal meaning of figurat=
ative meaning?
=C2=A0
Also, could you tell me the name of reference of the =
book where Sri Ramakrishna says Yogananda was Arjuna.
=C2=A0
Thank you onc=
e again for your mails which are an inspiration to us all.
=C2=A0
-Regards
=
=C2=A0Rajarshi
--=
- On Sun, 28/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net> wrote:
From: Na=
rasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net>
To=
: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com
Cc: sivacharya@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Sund=
ay, 28 September, 2008, 12:11 AM
Namaste,
As Vimalananda says, dharma =

is indeed personal. Krishna clearly says in
Bhagavad Geeta "Follow your ow=
n dharma. It is dangerous to follow someone
else's dharma".
Following the=
path of dharma basically means engaging in the right
action/duty. Right a=
ction varies from person to person, from time to time
and from place to pl=
ace. It is dependent on what nature expects from you,
which in turn is bas=
ed on who you have been in the past, what actions you
did in the past whil=
e identifying with the action, who you affected in the
past (and how) with=
the actions that you identified with, what debts you
created in the proce=
ss, and what mental tendencies you accumulated until
now.
If, based on on=

e's mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person
to kill evil=
persons, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's mental
tendencies =
and karmic debts, nature wants a person to spread the message of
uniformit=
y of all religions, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's
mental t=
endencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person to spread the
ritual of =
homam in the world, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's
mental t=
endencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person to make a lot of
money a=
nd construct a temple, that becomes one's dharma.
* * *
The dharma of a b=
eing may change from one life to another.
At the time of Mahabharata war, =

it was Arjuna's dharma to kill his gurus,
elders and relatives. The time t=
hen was such that there was too much weight
on earth and nature wanted ear=
th to be relieved of some weight. Tremendous
destruction was to take place=
and civilization destroyed to a great extent,
to welcome Kali yuga and se=
t the tone for it. Arjuna being a great warrior,
it was his dharma to faci=
litate that. Some people he deeply loved and
respected were on the other s=
ide and it was his dharma to kill them.
When the same Arjuna was born agai=

n in the 19th century as one of
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s sishyas (Swami =
Yogananda had been Arjuna in a
previous life, according to Ramakrishna) , =
his dharma was different in this
new time and place. He was born to renoun=
ce material life despite his
aristocratic upbringing and live the simple l=
ife of a monk and inspire
generations to embrace a simple life of mental d=
etachment and service to
others. When he is born again (which he has to, a=
s per what Ramakrishna
said), his dharma based on the time and place may b=
e something else.
* * *
The tricky question is: How does one decide what =

is one's dharma?
Some people have interpreted Krishna's words saying "foll=

ow your own dharma
and not someone else's dharma" in the light of castism.=
Though the concept
of caste (varna) has been there in Hinduism for a long=
time, the concept of
caste mobility was very much there. Valmiki was a sh=
udra who lived by
killing birds. He became a brahmana and a maharshi later=
. Vishwamitra was a
kshatrita and a powerful king. He became a brahmana an=
d and a maharshi
later. Basically varna shows one's aptitude. One starts o=
ff with the varna
of father, because that is what one is exposed to in chi=
ldhood. As one
develops in life, one gets one's own varna based on what on=
e does.
Thus, the misinterpretation of Krishna's words which tells you to =

know your
dharma from your caste is wrong. Moreover, there are not just 4 =
dharmas in
Knowing what one=

's dharma is is very very very difficult. If one is pure
enough, one will =
mind that tells=
us what our dharma is, but it is surrounded by a lot of
noise from other =
parts of our minds which tell other things. Thus, we get
confused.
We sho=
uld make the best judgment combining discrimination and intuition and
deci=
de what is our dharma and follow it sincerely. We may be err, but doing
th=
e best we can is all that we can do!
More than following dharma, what is o=

f utmost importance is to engage in
actions without identification. *That*=
alone ensures that we are not
accumulating new karmas, i.e. not increasin=
g the load. We should not build
too much attachment to what we are doing. =
We should engage in the best
possible actions (based on our best judgment =
on what our dharma in the given
situation is), with as little attachment a=
nd self-identification with the
action as possible. When the action is fin=
ished, we should leave the result
to god. We should not think "I did it", =
"what will happen now", "will it
work" etc. Such adherence of nishkama kar=
ma yoga (unfication through
untached action) will simplify our ego and pur=
ify our consciousness slowly.
As we become purer, our mind will work sharp=
er and tell our dharma clearer.
There is a positive feedback here. This wi=
ll slowly enable us to see our
dharma clearly and follow it without incurr=
ing new karmas. This is not easy,
T=
he bottomline is: Even if one is not following one's dharma, one's sense of=
"this is my dharma" gets refined with time if one engages in action with =
little attachment.
* * *
In deciding one's dharma, one's intellect and i=

ntuition are the inputs.
Another external input is the words of scriptures=
and learned men. One can
derive one's dharma from them. A special place i=
s given to one's spiritual
master. If one surrenders to a spiritual master=
, one can take the words of
the master to determine one's dharma and follo=
w it sincerely.
When Arjuna was confused about what his dharma was and tho=
ught killing gurus
and relatives was not dharma, he had a guru in Krishna =
who clarified his
dharma. When Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was confus=
ed about his dharma
and wanted to renounce the world and go to a secluded =
place to do sadhana,
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa cried and prevailed upon him =
to stay in the material
One who =
is not in tune with nature and does not know who one is, what one's
debts =
are and what nature expects from one can err in the judgment of what
one's=
dharma is. If one's guru is an elevated soul with a clear insight into
on=
e's inner core, such a guru can give perfect guidance.
* * *
Bottomline i=
s that I (or anybody) cannot outline a set of principles and
declare that =
as the dharma. No, dharma changes from person to person, from
time to time=
and from place to place. Also, there are no thumbrules to find
out what o=
ne's dharma is. But, one can refine one's understanding of one's
dharma by=
increasing internal purity. By doing various kinds of spiritual
sadhana (=
like homam, japam etc) and engaging in actions without much
attachment, on=
e can slowly purify oneself and refine one's understanding of
one's indivi=
dual dharma.
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------ --------- --------- ----=
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<DIV> </DIV>=
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG>
<D=
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[vedic-wisdom] Re: Dharma<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Cc: sivach=
arya@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Monday, 29 September, 2008, 4:11 AM<BR><BR>
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NT face=3DArial size=3D2>For the reference on Yogananda, you can read the s=
ection on Swami Yogananda in "God Lived with Them: Life Stories of Sixteen =
Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna" by Swami Chetanananda.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There have been many grea=
t yogis, babas, saints and swamis in the last few thousand years of Kali yu=
ga. But Ramakrishna Paramahamsa stands out in one way. He is one master who=
mastered every single path. He mastered bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga, karma yo=
ga and even raaja yoga. He worshipped and experienced Rama, Krishna, Kaali =
and several forms. He even reached the state of nirvikalpa samadhi, where t=
here is no "experience" . He was in sahaja samadhi always. He was able indu=
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<DIV><FON=
T face=3DArial size=3D2>Many "gurus" force their dharma on their sishyas an=
d have no ability to recognize the true nature and dharma of each sishya. T=
hey force sishyas to chant the mantra they chant, worship the form they wor=
ship and walk the path they walk. Ramakrishna had deep insight into the tru=
e nature of each sishya and gave specific instructions. He taught totally d=
ifferent mantras, totally different forms and totally different paths to di=
fferent sishyas. He even taught contradictory things to different sishyas. =
When one sishya who needed to mend his aggressive attitude roughed up someb=
ody for insulting his guru, he scolded "shame on you. With your attitude, y=
ou did not defend your guru, but brought shame to him. You should learn to =
be calm and ignore such insults. THAT will place your guru in a good stead =
and not your aggression". When another sishya who needed to mend his soft d=
emeanor ignored insults of Ramakrishna by some people and came
away silent=
ly, he scolded him "shame on you. Shastras say that you should kill one who=
insults your guru. How can you ignore such wrong behavior? You should give=
them a piece of your mind."</FONT></DIV>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Spiritual sadhana does=
not mean just chanting a mantra or repeating a procedure everyday for=
a certain period of time. Spiritual sadhana is a continuous process by whi=
ch one transforms oneself from inside out and purifies oneself. That way, e=
very action and every thought becomes a sadhana and offers an opportun=
ity for introspection and transformation of internal attitude.</FONT><=
/DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway, coming back to the point, Ramakrishna is not a no=
rmal sadhaka or a normal guru. He belonged to a very special class of sadha=
kas and he was an exceptional guru to an exceptional group of sishyas.</FON=
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
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nd would be lower than dirt. I would not be able to say anything intelligen=
t or meaningful in spiritual matters. Those who are impressed/inspired by s=
omething I write should be thankful to my guru Dr Manish Pandit and to Sri =
Ramakrishna for showering their grace using me as an instrument and not to =
me.</FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>BTW, you are all free to forward my posts that =
you like to people who may be interested in spiritual discussions. I have n=
o problem. As I said before, I am a servant distributing the wealth of a ki=
ng (Mother) as asked by the minister (my guru).</FONT></DIV>
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Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Narasimha.
Sorry I got my people and lineages all confused! Was reading about too many
people lately.
Also last night I saw a documentary on religious leaders, cults etc.

People want to see God so badly they are very eager to push anyone who is willing
to claim to be special up on a pedestal.That happened with my ex , he got up
there,felt it wasn't right and tried to climb down, but his"disciples" didn't want
him to.
They continued to perpetuate falsehoods about his purity, and all sorts of cover
ups.
God and Jesus are living in some many places. Sometimes there are several people
simultaneously claiming to be Jesus in any psych unit across the world/
Its amazing where and to within whom people see "God".
Isnt a spiritual master, guru, living like a mortal in all capacities while
telling others how to find realization sort of hypocritical and bizarre?
There is one fellow who used to be a heroin addict and now he says he is Jesus
and has a huge following. they are willing to do whatever he says and they give him
money and all sorts of things.
Yesterday I went on the Internet, and looked at some many so called yogis,
preachers etc
IN the USA I cant begin to tell you the number of religious leaders that were
revered as "God" or some other incarnation.
India is no different, perhaps worse because people have a natural respect for
sadhus , yogis etc and more yogis can get away with pretending to be a renunciate.
I believe God appears in different forms in different places and times to attract
people who are looking for him and to associate with his devotees..
Now that Documentary TV program and your posts got my mind swimming.
What are principles of religion? What is dharma, What is the purpose?
Now if there were no laws or rules, social or religious and everyone did what
they felt like, we would be living in a hell. At least in Kali Yuga.
What was the point of Jesus? Seems he got a lot of uncivilized people to work on
basic codes of conduct... thou shalt not steal,lie, commit adultery etc.
Whose to say one person is a saint?.. some people(his faithful followers)
couldn't understand that Charles Manson was a mad man not a prophet.
There are other "yogis" who came to USA, smoking pot, taking drugs,
and other ones advised having sex to find self realization and acquiring tons of
cars and
helping many people trade STDs.
Some people ADVOCate mandatory forced marriage of young girls AT puberty,
usually to older men.. and its ok for their fathers to teach them a thing or two,
before being handed off.
One "saint" makes gold, but other people say he molested their young teenage
sons..
In itself, being able to perform siddhis or mystic things doesn't make one
elevated really. Maybe they have just accumulated the power to manipulate physical
matter.
Unless a person is pure- it is hard to see who else is pure.
And even then, well intentioned people are deceived all the time.
People have given up everything they owned and moved into under ground tunnels
because their leader( an incarnation of this or that) said the world was ending.
Or, time and time again, some swami turns out to molest kids, and or do all sorts
of things when no one is looking..
"The Do as I say , don't do as I do"...
"He is so pure he doesn't have to obey the rules like everyone else."
Whose to say who is pure?
I think someone who is 100% serving their GOD day and night, at all times and
practicing what they preach has got to be pure....
Self realization after much thought and years meditating/chanting is simple i
found... its the realization ,the complete understanding of our relationship to God
and to everything and everyone else in our conscious and unconscious universe.
But then by the time I die , I'm sure I'll have even more realizations.
There was a big article in TIME magazine with some personal letter of Mother
Theresa that she didnt want shown publically that showed her apparently having
doubts(privately in her heart) I guess as a way to try and discredit her.
Was she a saint, coming to India and pushing her views on the poor?People go in
circles debating her worth .
And I guess these are the things I'm here for in this life, which is different
than other peoples path.
I keep hoping astrology can "reveal" the real saint the real sadhus..etc
Suffering helps one think about these things.
Best wishes
Lakshmi

Dear Lakshmi,
The Yogananda I mentioned is different. Swami Yogananda is one of the sixteen

monastic disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, along with Swami Vivekananda. He was
forced to marry, but never slept with his own wife. Swami Vivekananda once said "if
any of us (disciples of Ramakrishna) conquered lust completely and in all respects,
it is Joginder (Swami Yogananda)". There is no question of Swami Yogananda being
accused of drinking and having women etc.
Paramahamsa Yogananda is a sishya of Yukteshwar Maharaj and from the lineage of

Mahavatar Babaji. They practice kriya yoga. I do not know much about him.
* * *
The link you gave is about neither Swami Yogananda nor Paramahamsa Yogananda, but
some propaganda about Ramakrishna Paramahamsa himself, based on some bali he
apparently gave. So I am unsure exactly who you wanted to talk about..
Best regards,
Narasimha
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From: Lakshmi Kary
Subject: Re: Dharma
Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Narasimha,
goats.html
Best wishes
Lakshmi

Namaste,
* * *
him "shame on you.
guru).
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Dear Narasimhaji
-Regards
Rajarshi

Namaste,

else's dharma".

now.
* * *
* * *
confused.

little attachment.
* * *
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Best regards,
Narasimha
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>
> towards it
>
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<DIV>Hare Rama Krishna</DIV> <DIV>Dear Narasimha.</DIV> <DIV>Sorry I got my

people and lineages all confused! Was reading about too many people lately.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also last night I saw a documentary on religious leaders,
cults etc.</DIV> <DIV>People want to see God so badly they are very eager to push
anyone who is willing to claim to be special up on a pedestal.That happened with my
ex , he got up there,felt it wasn't right and tried to climb down, but
his"disciples" didn't want him to.</DIV> <DIV>They continued to perpetuate
falsehoods about his purity, and all sorts of cover ups.</DIV> <DIV>God and Jesus
are living in some many places. Sometimes there are several people simultaneously
claiming to be Jesus in any psych unit across the world/</DIV> <DIV>Its amazing
where and to within whom people see "God".</DIV> <DIV>Isnt a spiritual master,
guru, living like a mortal in all capacities while telling others how to find
realization
sort of hypocritical and bizarre?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There is one fellow
who used to be a heroin addict and now he says he is Jesus and has a huge
following. they are willing to do whatever he says and they give him money and all
sorts of things.</DIV> <DIV>Yesterday I went on the Internet, and looked at some
many so called yogis, preachers etc</DIV> <DIV>IN the USA I cant begin to tell you
the number of religious leaders that were revered as "God" or some other
incarnation.</DIV> <DIV>India is no different, perhaps worse because people have a
natural respect for sadhus , yogis etc and more yogis can get away with pretending
to be a renunciate.</DIV> <DIV>I believe God appears in different forms in
different places and times to attract people who are looking for him and to
associate with his devotees..</DIV> <DIV>Now that Documentary TV program and your
posts got my mind swimming.</DIV> <DIV>What are principles of religion? What is
dharma, What is the
purpose?</DIV> <DIV>Now if there were no laws or rules, social or religious and
everyone did what they felt like, we would be living in a hell. At least in Kali
Yuga.</DIV> <DIV>What was the point of Jesus? Seems he got a lot of uncivilized
people to work on basic codes of conduct... thou shalt not steal,lie, commit
adultery etc.</DIV> <DIV>Whose to say one person is a saint?.. some people(his
faithful followers) couldn't understand that Charles Manson was a mad man not a
prophet.</DIV> <DIV>There are other "yogis" who came to USA, smoking pot, taking
drugs,</DIV> <DIV>and other ones advised having sex to find self realization and
acquiring tons of cars and </DIV> <DIV>helping many people trade STDs.</DIV>
<DIV>Some people ADVOCate mandatory forced marriage of young girls AT puberty,
before being handed off.</DIV> <DIV>One "saint" makes gold, but other people say
he
molested their young teenage sons..</DIV> <DIV>In itself, being able to perform
siddhis or mystic things doesn't make one elevated really. Maybe they have just
accumulated the power to manipulate physical matter.</DIV> <DIV>Unless a person is
pure- it is hard to see who else is pure.</DIV> <DIV>And even then, well
intentioned people are deceived all the time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>People have
given up everything they owned and moved into under ground tunnels because their
leader( an incarnation of this or that) said the world was ending.</DIV> <DIV>Or,
time and time again, some swami turns out to molest kids, and or do all sorts of
things when no one is looking..</DIV> <DIV>"The Do as I say , don't do as I
do"...</DIV> <DIV>"He is so pure he doesn't have to obey the rules like everyone
else."</DIV> <DIV>Whose to say who is pure?</DIV> <DIV>I think someone who is
100% serving their GOD day and night, at all times and practicing what they
preach has got to be pure....</DIV> <DIV>Self realization after much thought and
years meditating/chanting is simple i found... its the realization ,the complete
understanding of our relationship to God and to everything and everyone else in our
conscious and unconscious universe.</DIV> <DIV>But then by the time I die , I'm
sure I'll have even more realizations.</DIV> <DIV>There was a big article in TIME
magazine with some personal letter of Mother Theresa that she didnt want shown
publically that showed her apparently having doubts(privately in her heart) I guess
as a way to try and discredit her.</DIV> <DIV>Was she a saint, coming to India and
pushing her views on the poor?People go in circles debating her worth .</DIV>
<DIV>And I guess these are the things I'm here for in this life, which is different
than other peoples path.</DIV> <DIV>I keep hoping astrology can "reveal" the real
saint the real sadhus..etc</DIV> <DIV>Suffering helps one think about these
things.</DIV> <DIV>Best wishes</DIV> <DIV>Lakshmi</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
#1010ff 2px solid"> <DIV id=ygrp-text> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear
Lakshmi,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>The Yogananda I mentioned is different. Swami Yogananda is one of
the sixteen monastic disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, along with Swami
Vivekananda. He was forced to marry, but never slept with his own wife. Swami
Vivekananda once said "if any of us
(disciples of Ramakrishna) conquered lust completely and in all respects, it is
Joginder (Swami Yogananda)". There is no question of Swami Yogananda being accused
of drinking and having women etc.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Paramahamsa Yogananda is a
sishya of Yukteshwar Maharaj and from the lineage of Mahavatar Babaji. They
practice kriya yoga. I do not know much about him.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>* *
size=2>The link you gave is about neither Swami Yogananda nor Paramahamsa
Yogananda, but some propaganda about Ramakrishna Paramahamsa himself, based on some
bali he apparently gave. So I am unsure exactly who you wanted to talk
about..</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Best regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------
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<WBR>---------<WBR>--------- <BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000
2px solid"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
title=lakshmikary@... href="mailto:lakshmikary@...">Lakshmi Kary</A> </DIV> <DIV
10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Dharma</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV>Hare Rama Krishna</DIV> <DIV>Dear
Narasimha,</DIV> <DIV>Ive read several apparently derogatory things about
Paramahamsa Yogananda- that he ate meat, drank and had women at different times.
Some accounts seem very authoratative so I am inclined to believe where there is
smoke there is fire.</DIV> <DIV>How can we reconcil he is spiritually special when
he was involved in some many other worldly things.?</DIV> <DIV><A
href="http://ramakrishnayb.blogspot.com/2008/02/95-where-is-safety-for-fish-and-
goats.html">http://ramakrishnay<WBR>b.blogspot.<WBR>com/2008/<WBR>02/95-where-
<WBR>is-safety-<WBR>for-fish-<WBR>and-goats.<WBR>html</A></DIV> <DIV>Best
wishes</DIV> <DIV>Lakshmi<BR><BR><B><I>"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
<pvr@charter.<WBR>net></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq
style="BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <DIV id=ygrp-text> <DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Namaste,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>There have been many great yogis, babas, saints and swamis in the last few
and several forms. He
even reached the state of nirvikalpa samadhi, where there is no "experience"<WBR>.
He was in sahaja samadhi always. He was able induce tremendous experience in people
by mere touch or mere look. Yet he was simple like a child and had zero ego (that
is why he could do all that!!!).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Many "gurus" force their dharma
on their sishyas and have no ability to recognize the true nature and dharma of
each sishya. They force sishyas to chant the mantra they chant, worship the form
they worship and walk the path they walk. Ramakrishna had deep insight into the
true nature of each sishya and gave specific instructions. He taught totally
different mantras, totally different forms and totally different paths to different
sishyas. He even taught contradictory things to different sishyas. When one sishya
who needed to mend his aggressive attitude roughed up somebody for insulting his
guru, he
scolded "shame on you. With your attitude, you did not defend your guru, but
brought shame to him. You should learn to be calm and ignore such insults. THAT
will place your guru in a good stead and not your aggression". When another sishya
who needed to mend his soft demeanor ignored insults of Ramakrishna by some people
and came away silently, he scolded him "shame on you. Shastras say that you should
kill one who insults your guru. How can you ignore such wrong behavior? You should
give them a piece of your mind."</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Spiritual sadhana does not mean
just chanting a mantra or repeating a procedure everyday for a certain period of
time. Spiritual sadhana is a continuous process by which one transforms oneself
from inside out and purifies oneself. That way, every action and every
thought becomes a sadhana and offers an opportunity for introspection and
transformation
of internal attitude.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyway, coming back to the point, Ramakrishna is not a
normal sadhaka or a normal guru. He belonged to a very special class of sadhakas
and he was an exceptional guru to an exceptional group of sishyas.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Without
his [indirect] blessings, I would be a nobody and would be lower than dirt. I would
not be able to say anything intelligent or meaningful in spiritual matters. Those
who are impressed/inspired by something I write should be thankful to my guru Dr
Manish Pandit and to Sri Ramakrishna for showering their grace using me as an
instrument and not to me.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BTW, you are all free to forward my posts that you
like to people who may be interested in spiritual discussions. I
have no problem. As I said before, I am a servant distributing the wealth of a
king (Mother) as asked by the minister (my guru).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Best
face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> <TABLE cellSpacing=0
cellPadding=0 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD vAlign=top> <DIV>Dear
Narasimhaji</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Another
wonderly inspired post by you!!!!</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
figuratative meaning?</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Also, could you tell me the name of reference of the book where Sri
Ramakrishna says Yogananda was Arjuna. </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Thank you once again for your mails which
are an inspiration to us all.</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DIV> <DIV> Rajarshi<BR><BR></DIV> <DIV><EM><STRONG> <DIV
Verdana">"This above all: to thine own self be true!" -
Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 28/9/08,
Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@charter.<WBR>net></I></B> wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao
<pvr@charter.<WBR>net><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Dharma<BR>To: vedic-
Sunday, 28 September, 2008, 12:11 AM<BR><BR> <DIV id=yiv1326530499> <DIV id=ygrp-
text> <DIV>Namaste,<BR><BR>As Vimalananda says, dharma is indeed personal. Krishna
clearly says in <BR>Bhagavad Geeta "Follow your own dharma. It is dangerous to
follow someone <BR>else's
dharma".<BR><BR>Following the path of dharma basically means engaging in the right
<BR>action/duty. Right action varies from person to person, from time to time
<BR>and from place to place. It is dependent on what nature expects from you,
<BR>which in turn is based on who you have been in the past, what actions you
<BR>did in the past while identifying with the action, who you affected in the
<BR>past (and how) with the actions that you identified with, what debts you
<BR>created in the process, and what mental tendencies you accumulated until
<BR>now.<BR><BR>If, based on one's mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants
a person <BR>to kill evil persons, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's
mental <BR>tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person to spread the message
of <BR>uniformity of all religions, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's
<BR>mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person to spread the
<BR>ritual of homam in the
world, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's <BR>mental tendencies and
karmic debts, nature wants a person to make a lot of <BR>money and construct a
temple, that becomes one's dharma.<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>The dharma of a being may
change from one life to another.<BR><BR>At the time of Mahabharata war, it was
Arjuna's dharma to kill his gurus, <BR>elders and relatives. The time then was such
that there was too much weight <BR>on earth and nature wanted earth to be relieved
of some weight. Tremendous <BR>destruction was to take place and civilization
destroyed to a great extent, <BR>to welcome Kali yuga and set the tone for it.
Arjuna being a great warrior, <BR>it was his dharma to facilitate that. Some people
he deeply loved and <BR>respected were on the other side and it was his dharma to
kill them.<BR><BR>When the same Arjuna was born again in the 19th century as one of
<BR>Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s sishyas (Swami Yogananda had been Arjuna in a
<BR>previous life,
according to Ramakrishna) , his dharma was different in this <BR>new time and
place. He was born to renounce material life despite his <BR>aristocratic
upbringing and live the simple life of a monk and inspire <BR>generations to
embrace a simple life of mental detachment and service to <BR>others. When he is
born again (which he has to, as per what Ramakrishna <BR>said), his dharma based on
the time and place may be something else.<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>The tricky question
is: How does one decide what is one's dharma?<BR><BR>Some people have interpreted
Krishna's words saying "follow your own dharma <BR>and not someone else's dharma"
in the light of castism. Though the concept <BR>of caste (varna) has been there in
Hinduism for a long time, the concept of <BR>caste mobility was very much there.
Valmiki was a shudra who lived by <BR>killing birds. He became a brahmana and a
maharshi later. Vishwamitra was a <BR>kshatrita and a powerful king. He became a
brahmana and and a
maharshi <BR>later. Basically varna shows one's aptitude. One starts off with the
varna <BR>of father, because that is what one is exposed to in childhood. As one
<BR>develops in life, one gets one's own varna based on what one does.<BR><BR>Thus,
the misinterpretation of Krishna's words which tells you to know your <BR>dharma
from your caste is wrong. Moreover, there are not just 4 dharmas in <BR>the world.
Each person has individual dharma.<BR><BR>Knowing what one's dharma is is very very
very difficult. If one is pure <BR>enough, one will *know* one's dharma. In fact,
all of us have a part of our <BR>mind that tells us what our dharma is, but it is
surrounded by a lot of <BR>noise from other parts of our minds which tell other
things. Thus, we get <BR>confused.<BR><BR>We should make the best judgment
combining discrimination and intuition and <BR>decide what is our dharma and follow
it sincerely. We may be err, but doing <BR>the best we can is all that we can
do!<BR><BR>More than following dharma, what is of utmost importance is to engage
in <BR>actions without identification. *That* alone ensures that we are not
<BR>accumulating new karmas, i.e. not increasing the load. We should not build
<BR>untached action) will simplify our ego and purify our consciousness slowly.
<BR>As we become purer, our mind will work sharper and tell our dharma clearer.
<BR>There is a positive feedback here. This will slowly enable us to see our
<BR>dharma clearly and follow it without incurring
new karmas. This is not easy, <BR>but not as difficult as people think.<BR><BR>The
bottomline is: Even if one is not following one's dharma, one's sense of <BR>"this
is my dharma" gets refined with time if one engages in action with <BR>little
attachment.<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>In deciding one's dharma, one's intellect and
intuition are the inputs. <BR>Another external input is the words of scriptures and
learned men. One can <BR>derive one's dharma from them. A special place is given to
one's spiritual <BR>master. If one surrenders to a spiritual master, one can take
the words of <BR>the master to determine one's dharma and follow it
sincerely.<BR><BR>When Arjuna was confused about what his dharma was and thought
killing gurus <BR>and relatives was not dharma, he had a guru in Krishna who
clarified his <BR>dharma. When Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was confused about
his dharma <BR>and wanted to renounce the world and go to a secluded place to do
sadhana, <BR>Ramakrishna
Paramahamsa cried and prevailed upon him to stay in the material <BR>world and do
the work of Mother for him.<BR><BR>One who is not in tune with nature and does not
know who one is, what one's <BR>debts are and what nature expects from one can err
in the judgment of what <BR>one's dharma is. If one's guru is an elevated soul with
a clear insight into <BR>one's inner core, such a guru can give perfect
guidance.<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>Bottomline is that I (or anybody) cannot outline a
set of principles and <BR>declare that as the dharma. No, dharma changes from
person to person, from <BR>time to time and from place to place. Also, there are no
thumbrules to find <BR>out what one's dharma is. But, one can refine one's
understanding of <BR>one's
individual dharma.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------ ---------
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<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "dahiyajiten" <<A
href="mailto:dahiyajiten%40yahoo.co.in" target=_blank rel=nofollow>dahiyajiten@
yahoo.co. in</A>><BR>To: <<A href="mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>><BR>Sent: Saturday,
September 27, 2008 8:02 AM<BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Dharma<BR><BR>> Namaste to
all<BR>><BR>> i just finished my Aghora series<BR>> and in it in last part<BR>>
Vimalanda says path of dharma is very personal.<BR>> Can somebody share views on
that and how can we approach<BR>> towards it<BR>> Does it has to do something with
vedas and upanishads<BR>><BR>> regards<BR>>
jitender<BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 06:53:07 -0000
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Subject: Verse about cow sacrifice
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Dear Narasimhaji
I came across a verse in the Rig Veda.
"11 Let us serve=

Agni with our hymns, Disposer, fed on ox and cow,"
http://www.sacred-tex=
ts.com/hin/rigveda/rv08043.htm
Does that mean cow sacrifice was allowed in=

Vedic times?
Kindly enlighten us on the meaning of this verse.
-Regards
=
Rajarshi

Sep 2008 07:24:37 -0000
Sep 2008 07:24:37 -0000
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:24:34 -0000
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I wish to tell you my experience in this connection=

as to how we can
differentiate Real Spiritual person amongst the fake one=
.
Once I was reading 'Autobiography of a Yogi', the very much

celebrated=
book by Sri Paramhansa Yogananda. I was actually
fascinated by the 'Kriya=
Yoga' mentioned in the book and there arose
a deep desire to learn this K=
riya yoga. I came to reading the
chapter on 'Babaji' in the same book. In =
the very chapter, Yogananda
has mentioned that Babaji is living since many=
centuries and he is
still present in physical form. Anybody who sincerely=
asks for
spiritual help, he/she will be helped by Babaji even today. Read=
ing
the above, I instantly close my eyes and deeply prayed Babaji. I
pray=
ed that if you are still there guiding spiritual people then
please help m=
e for learning this Kriya yoga.
And to my pleasant surprise, within a month=
I was introduced
(accidentally/unplanned way) to Sudarshan Kriya Yoga of =
Art of
Living organization by Sri Sri Ravishankar. Few more such inner
ex=
periences happened which convinced me that Babaji is there and
gave me eno=
ugh faith in Yogananda and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar's
greatness as real yogis.=
My strong opinion is that if one goes by media (Print or electronic

or i=
nternet), there are all the chances that most people will be
confused and =
would not be able to decide about somebody's character
or caliber. Even Sw=
ami Vivekananda in his time was accused for many
wrong practices in USA an=
d U.K. hence personally, I rely upon my own
heart and own experiences. I a=
lways stay far away from Print as well
as TV reports. Big NO NO. to News c=
hannels. Most of them are
spreading nonsense. They have become script writ=
er rather than
authentic news providers. Even, random and reckless opinion=
s of
people in general is many a times misguiding/confusing.
Same way,=
for my Beloved Thakur, I relied on the same ways. After I
read Gospel, I =
was drawn in to events which ultimately took me to My
Guru of this life (I=
t took 4 years). And it can not be a coincidence
that my Guru is also very=
very much attached to Thakur Ramkrsihna. I
rate Ramkrsihna Kathamruta as =
the Best `darkness dispelling' book I
read till date and now spiritual boo=
ks also doesn't interest me
much. Enough of reading, now it's high time fo=
r *Doing*.
Hence my input to all those serious spiritualist, who are als=

o
seriously confused, that listen to you heart, Pray for the clari=
ty,
Meditate, keep doing Sadhanas and observe the chain of events
happeni=
ng around you. Those are the best ways to get the clarity
about any spirit=
ual person or future spiritual Guru rather than
depending, more than requi=
red, upon Media and such external inputs
who have hardly any sincere spir=
itual interest.
I clarify here that I am an almost a novice who is struggl=

ing in the
path of spirituality but still felt that my own inputs out of
=
experience may help few.
Spiritually yours,
Utpal
--- In vedic-wisdom@y=
ahoogroups.com, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@...>
wrote:
>
> Hare Rama Krishn=
a
> Dear Narasimha.
> Sorry I got my people and lineages all confused! =
Was reading
about too many people lately.
>
> Also last night I saw=
a documentary on religious leaders,
cults etc.
> People want to see Go=
d so badly they are very eager to push
anyone who is willing to claim to b=
e special up on a pedestal.That
happened with my ex , he got up there,felt=
it wasn't right and tried
to climb down, but his"disciples" didn't want h=
im to.
> They continued to perpetuate falsehoods about his purity, and
a=
ll sorts of cover ups.
> God and Jesus are living in some many places. So=
metimes there
are several people simultaneously claiming to be Jesus in an=
y psych
unit across the world/
> Its amazing where and to within whom pe=
ople see "God".
> Isnt a spiritual master, guru, living like a mortal in =
all
capacities while telling others how to find realization sort of
hypoc=
ritical and bizarre?
>
> There is one fellow who used to be a heroin =
addict and now he
says he is Jesus and has a huge following. they are will=
ing to do
whatever he says and they give him money and all sorts of things=
.
> Yesterday I went on the Internet, and looked at some many so
called =
yogis, preachers etc
> IN the USA I cant begin to tell you the number of =
religious
leaders that were revered as "God" or some other incarnation.
> =
India is no different, perhaps worse because people have a
natural respe=
ct for sadhus , yogis etc and more yogis can get away
with pretending to b=
e a renunciate.
> I believe God appears in different forms in different p=
laces and
times to attract people who are looking for him and to associate=
with his devotees..

> Now that Documentary TV program and your posts go=
t my mind
swimming.
> What are principles of religion? What is dharma, W=
hat is the
purpose?
> Now if there were no laws or rules, social or reli=
gious and
everyone did what they felt like, we would be living in a hell. =
At
least in Kali Yuga.
> What was the point of Jesus? Seems he got a lot=
of uncivilized
people to work on basic codes of conduct... thou shalt not=
steal,lie, commit adultery etc.

> Whose to say one person is a saint?..=
some people(his faithful
followers) couldn't understand that Charles Mans=
on was a mad man not
a prophet.
> There are other "yogis" who came to US=
A, smoking pot, taking
drugs,
> and other ones advised having sex to fin=
d self realization and
acquiring tons of cars and
> helping many people=
trade STDs.
> Some people ADVOCate mandatory forced marriage of young g=
irls
AT puberty, usually to older men.. and its ok for their fathers to
t=
each them a thing or two, before being handed off.
> One "saint" makes go=
ld, but other people say he molested their
young teenage sons..
> In its=
elf, being able to perform siddhis or mystic things
doesn't make one eleva=
ted really. Maybe they have just accumulated
the power to manipulate phys=
ical matter.
> Unless a person is pure- it is hard to see who else is pur=
e.
> And even then, well intentioned people are deceived all the time.
> =
> People have given up everything they owned and moved into under
gr=
ound tunnels because their leader( an incarnation of this or that)
said th=
e world was ending.
> Or, time and time again, some swami turns out to mo=
lest kids,
and or do all sorts of things when no one is looking..
> "The=
Do as I say , don't do as I do"...
> "He is so pure he doesn't have to =
obey the rules like everyone
else."
> Whose to say who is pure?
> I th=
ink someone who is 100% serving their GOD day and night, at
all times and =
> Self realization aft=
er much thought and years
meditating/chanting is simple i found... its the=
realization ,the
complete understanding of our relationship to God and to=
everything
and everyone else in our conscious and unconscious universe.
>=
But then by the time I die , I'm sure I'll have even more
realizations.=
> There was a big article in TIME magazine with some personal
letter of=
Mother Theresa that she didnt want shown publically that
showed her appar=
ently having doubts(privately in her heart) I guess
as a way to try and di=
scredit her.
> Was she a saint, coming to India and pushing her views on =
the
poor?People go in circles debating her worth .
> And I guess these a=
re the things I'm here for in this life,
which is different than other peo=
ples path.
> I keep hoping astrology can "reveal" the real saint the real=
sadhus..etc
> Suffering helps one think about these things.
> Best wi=
shes
> Lakshmi
>
>
>
> "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...> wrote:
> =
Dear Lakshmi,
>
> The Yogananda I mentioned is different.=
Swami Yogananda is one
of the sixteen monastic disciples of Ramakrishna P=
aramahamsa, along
with Swami Vivekananda. He was forced to marry, but neve=
r slept with
his own wife. Swami Vivekananda once said "if any of us (disc=
iples
of Ramakrishna) conquered lust completely and in all respects, it is=
Joginder (Swami Yogananda)". There is no question of Swami Yogananda

bei=
ng accused of drinking and having women etc.
>
> Paramahamsa Yoganand=
a is a sishya of Yukteshwar Maharaj and from
the lineage of Mahavatar Baba=
ji. They practice kriya yoga. I do not
know much about him.
>
> * =
* *
>
> The link you gave is about neither Swami Yogana=
nda nor
Paramahamsa Yogananda, but some propaganda about Ramakrishna
Para=
mahamsa himself, based on some bali he apparently gave. So I am
unsure exa=
ctly who you wanted to talk about..
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> -=
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> Do Pitri Tarpana=
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> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://ved=
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------=
>
> From: Lakshmi Kary
> To: ve=
> =
Subject: Re: Dharma
>
>
> Hare Rama Krishna
> Dear Narasimha,
> =
Ive read several apparently derogatory things about Paramahamsa
Yogananda=
- that he ate meat, drank and had women at different times.
Some accounts =
seem very authoratative so I am inclined to believe
where there is smoke t=
here is fire.
> How can we reconcil he is spiritually special when he was=
involved in some many other worldly things.?

> http://ramakrishnayb.blo=
gspot.com/2008/02/95-where-is-safety-for-
fish-and-goats.html
> Best wish=
es
> Lakshmi
>
> =EF=BB=
=BF Namaste,
>
>
> For the referen=
ce on Yogananda, you can read the section on
Swami Yogananda in "God Lived=
with Them: Life Stories of Sixteen
Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna"=
by Swami Chetanananda.
>
> * * *
>
> There have =
been many great yogis, babas, saints and swamis in
the last few thousand y=
ears of Kali yuga. But Ramakrishna
Paramahamsa stands out in one way. He i=
s one master who mastered
every single path. He mastered bhakti yoga, jnaa=
na yoga, karma yoga
and even raaja yoga. He worshipped and experienced Ram=
a, Krishna,
Kaali and several forms. He even reached the state of nirvikal=
pa
samadhi, where there is no "experience". He was in sahaja samadhi
alwa=
ys. He was able induce tremendous experience in people by mere
touch or me=
re look. Yet he was simple like a child and had zero ego
(that is why he c=
ould do all that!!!).
>
> Many "gurus" force their dharma on their si=
shyas and have no
ability to recognize the true nature and dharma of each =
sishya. They
force sishyas to chant the mantra they chant, worship the for=
m they
worship and walk the path they walk. Ramakrishna had deep insight
=
into the true nature of each sishya and gave specific instructions.
He tau=
ght totally different mantras, totally different forms and
totally differe=
nt paths to different sishyas. He even taught
contradictory things to diff=
erent sishyas. When one sishya who
needed to mend his aggressive attitude =
roughed up somebody for
insulting his guru, he scolded "shame on you. With=
your attitude,
you did not defend your guru, but brought shame to him. Yo=
u should
learn to be calm and ignore such insults. THAT will place your gu=
ru
in a good stead and not your aggression". When another sishya who
need=
ed to mend his soft demeanor ignored insults of Ramakrishna by
some people=
and came away silently, he scolded him "shame on you.
> Shastras say that=
you should kill one who insults your guru. How
can you ignore such wrong =
behavior? You should give them a piece of
your mind."
>
> Spiritual =
sadhana does not mean just chanting a mantra or
repeating a procedure ever=
yday for a certain period of time.
Spiritual sadhana is a continuous proce=
ss by which one transforms
oneself from inside out and purifies oneself. T=
hat way, every action
and every thought becomes a sadhana and offers an op=
portunity for
> =
> Anyway, coming back to the point, Ramakrishna is not a normal

sadhaka=
or a normal guru. He belonged to a very special class of
sadhakas and he =
was an exceptional guru to an exceptional group of
sishyas.
>
> With=
out his [indirect] blessings, I would be a nobody and would
be lower than =
dirt. I would not be able to say anything intelligent
or meaningful in spi=
ritual matters. Those who are impressed/inspired
by something I write shou=
ld be thankful to my guru Dr Manish Pandit
and to Sri Ramakrishna for show=
ering their grace using me as an
instrument and not to me.
>
> BTW, =
you are all free to forward my posts that you like to
people who may be in=
terested in spiritual discussions. I have no
problem. As I said before, I =
am a servant distributing the wealth of
a king (Mother) as asked by the mi=
nister (my guru).
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> -------------------=
-----------------------------------------------
> Do a Short Homam Yourself=
: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http:/=
/www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
> Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/gr=
oup/vedic-wisdom
> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comca=
st.net
> =
> ---------=
---------------------------------------------------------
>
> ----- O=
> To: vedic-wisdom@yahoo=
groups.com
> Subject: Re: [=
vedic-wisdom] Re: Dharma
>
> Dear Narasimhaji
>
> Anoth=
er wonderly inspired post by you!!!!
>
> I did not understand one lin=
e of your post. You said during the
time of Mahabhrata there was tremendou=
s weight on this planet. I
could not completely understand what you ment b=
y this. Is it a
literal meaning of figuratative meaning?
>
> Also, c=
ould you tell me the name of reference of the book where
Sri Ramakrishna s=
ays Yogananda was Arjuna.
>
> Thank you once again for your mails wh=
ich are an inspiration to
us all.
>
> -Regards
> Rajarshi
>
>
>=
>
>
>
> --- O=
n Sun, 28/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrote:
> From: Narasimha P=
.V.R. Rao <pvr@...>
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Dharma
> To: vedic-wisdom=
@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: sivacharya@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, 28 Septem=
ber, 2008, 12:11 AM
>
> Namaste,
>
> As Vimalananda says, dharma is=
indeed personal. Krishna clearly
says in
> Bhagavad Geeta "Follow your o=
wn dharma. It is dangerous to follow
someone
> else's dharma".
>
> Follo=
wing the path of dharma basically means engaging in the right
> action/dut=
y. Right action varies from person to person, from time
to time
> and fro=
m place to place. It is dependent on what nature expects
from you,
> whic=
h in turn is based on who you have been in the past, what
actions you
> d=
id in the past while identifying with the action, who you
affected in the =
> past (and how) with the actions that you identified with, what
debts yo=
u
> created in the process, and what mental tendencies you accumulated
un=
til
> now.
>
> If, based on one's mental tendencies and karmic debts, nat=
ure
wants a person
> to kill evil persons, that becomes one's dharma. If,=
based on
one's mental
> tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a pers=
on to spread the
message of
> uniformity of all religions, that becomes o=
ne's dharma. If, based
on one's
> mental tendencies and karmic debts, nat=
ure wants a person to
spread the
> ritual of homam in the world, that bec=
omes one's dharma. If, based
on one's
> mental tendencies and karmic debt=
s, nature wants a person to make
a lot of
> money and construct a temple,=
that becomes one's dharma.
>
> * * *
>
> The dharma of a being may chang=
e from one life to another.
>
> At the time of Mahabharata war, it was Arj=
una's dharma to kill his
gurus,
> elders and relatives. The time then was=
such that there was too
much weight
> on earth and nature wanted earth t=
o be relieved of some weight.
Tremendous
> destruction was to take place =
and civilization destroyed to a
great extent,
> to welcome Kali yuga and =
set the tone for it. Arjuna being a great
warrior,
> it was his dharma to=
facilitate that. Some people he deeply loved
and
> respected were on the=
other side and it was his dharma to kill
them.
>
> When the same Arjuna =
was born again in the 19th century as one of
> Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s =
sishyas (Swami Yogananda had been
Arjuna in a
> previous life, according =
to Ramakrishna) , his dharma was
different in this
> new time and place. =
He was born to renounce material life despite
his
> aristocratic upbringi=
ng and live the simple life of a monk and
inspire
> generations to embrac=
e a simple life of mental detachment and
service to
> others. When he is =
born again (which he has to, as per what
Ramakrishna
> said), his dharma =
based on the time and place may be something
else.
>
> * * *
>
> The tri=
cky question is: How does one decide what is one's dharma?
>
> Some people=
have interpreted Krishna's words saying "follow your
own dharma
> and no=
t someone else's dharma" in the light of castism. Though the
concept
> of=
caste (varna) has been there in Hinduism for a long time, the
concept of =
> caste mobility was very much there. Valmiki was a shudra who lived
by
=
> killing birds. He became a brahmana and a maharshi later.
Vishwamitra wa=
s a
> kshatrita and a powerful king. He became a brahmana and and a
mahar=
shi
> later. Basically varna shows one's aptitude. One starts off with
th=
e varna
> of father, because that is what one is exposed to in childhood. =
As
one
> develops in life, one gets one's own varna based on what one doe=
s.
>
> Thus, the misinterpretation of Krishna's words which tells you to
=
know your
> dharma from your caste is wrong. Moreover, there are not just =
4
dharmas in
> the world. Each person has individual dharma.
>
> Knowing=
what one's dharma is is very very very difficult. If one
is pure
> enoug=
h, one will *know* one's dharma. In fact, all of us have a
part of our
> =
mind that tells us what our dharma is, but it is surrounded by a
lot of
>=
noise from other parts of our minds which tell other things. Thus,
we get=
> confused.
>
> We should make the best judgment combining discriminatio=
n and
intuition and
> decide what is our dharma and follow it sincerely. =
We may be err,
but doing
> the best we can is all that we can do!
>
> Mo=
re than following dharma, what is of utmost importance is to
engage in
> =
actions without identification. *That* alone ensures that we are
not
> ac=
cumulating new karmas, i.e. not increasing the load. We should
not build
=
> too much attachment to what we are doing. We should engage in the
best
=
> possible actions (based on our best judgment on what our dharma in
the g=
iven
> situation is), with as little attachment and self-identification
w=
ith the
> action as possible. When the action is finished, we should leave=
the result
> to god. We should not think "I did it", "what will happen
=
now", "will it
> work" etc. Such adherence of nishkama karma yoga (unficat=
ion
through
> untached action) will simplify our ego and purify our
cons=
ciousness slowly.
> As we become purer, our mind will work sharper and tel=
l our dharma
clearer.
> There is a positive feedback here. This will slow=
ly enable us to
see our
> dharma clearly and follow it without incurring =
new karmas. This is
not easy,
>
=
> The bottomline is: Even if one is not following one's dharma,
one's sens=
e of
> "this is my dharma" gets refined with time if one engages in
actio=
n with
> little attachment.
>
> * * *
>
> In deciding one's dharma, one'=
s intellect and intuition are the
inputs.
> Another external input is the=
words of scriptures and learned men.
One can
> derive one's dharma from =
them. A special place is given to one's
spiritual
> master. If one surren=
ders to a spiritual master, one can take the
words of
> the master to det=
ermine one's dharma and follow it sincerely.
>
> When Arjuna was confused =
about what his dharma was and thought
killing gurus
> and relatives was n=
ot dharma, he had a guru in Krishna who
clarified his
> dharma. When Nare=
ndranath (Swami Vivekananda) was confused about
his dharma
> and wanted t=
o renounce the world and go to a secluded place to do
sadhana,
> Ramakris=
hna Paramahamsa cried and prevailed upon him to stay in
the material
> wo=
rld and do the work of Mother for him.
>
> One who is not in tune with nat=
ure and does not know who one is,
what one's
> debts are and what nature =
expects from one can err in the judgment
of what
> one's dharma is. If on=
e's guru is an elevated soul with a clear
insight into
> one's inner core=
, such a guru can give perfect guidance.
>
> * * *
>
> Bottomline is that=
I (or anybody) cannot outline a set of
principles and
> declare that as =
the dharma. No, dharma changes from person to
person, from
> time to time=
and from place to place. Also, there are no
thumbrules to find
> out wha=
t one's dharma is. But, one can refine one's understanding
of one's
> dha=
rma by increasing internal purity. By doing various kinds of
spiritual
> =
sadhana (like homam, japam etc) and engaging in actions without
much
> at=
tachment, one can slowly purify oneself and refine one's
understanding of =
> one's individual dharma.

>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> ------------ -=
-------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
> Do a Short Homam Yours=
elf: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: h=
ttp://www.VedicAst rologer.org/
tarpana
> Spirituality: http://groups. yah=
oo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom
> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro=
. home.comcast. net
> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst =
rologer.org
> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.=
org
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
>
=
> From: "dahiyajiten" <dahiyajiten@ yahoo.c=
o. in>
> To: <vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 2=
7, 2008 8:02 AM
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Dharma
>
> > Namaste to all
> >
=
> > i just finished my Aghora series
> > Vimalan=
da says path of dharma is very personal.
> > Can somebody share views on th=
> > towards it
> > Does it has to do something w=
ith vedas and upanishads
> >
> > regards
> > jitender
>
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Hare Rama Krishna
Respected Utpalji,
Namaskar. Well said.=C2=A0

IMHO sinc=
ere prayers/questions are always answered. The Divine certainly showers 'Co=
smic Grace' in times of need and when fervently asked for.=C2=A0Whether=C2=
=A0he is Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Sri Ramana Maharshi, Sri Aurobindo an=
d Mother or Paramahamsa Yogananda, the Divine Force acting through them is =
The Supreme Infinite. It is upto the=C2=A0'seeker' to 'perceive' and 'reap'=
the immense solace that can be received at the Feet of the Mother.
I have=
had numerous instances of such Divine Beneficence that have changed=C2=A0 =
and charged my life.
Narasimha Garu is=C2=A0fortunate to have been Blessed=

=C2=A0by Her Immense Grace,
Sincerely
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=C2=A0
----- Original Mess=

age ----
From: utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@...>
groups.com
Sent: Monday, 29 September, 2008 8:24:34 PM
om] Yogananda (Re: Dharma)
I wish to tell you my =

experience in this connection as to how we can
differentiate Real Spiritua=
l person amongst the fake one.
Once I was reading 'Autobiography of a Yogi=

', the very much
celebrated book by Sri Paramhansa Yogananda. I was actual=
ly
fascinated by the 'Kriya Yoga' mentioned in the book and there arose
a=
deep desire to learn this Kriya yoga. I came to reading the
chapter on 'B=
abaji' in the same book. In the very chapter, Yogananda
has mentioned that=
Babaji is living since many centuries and he is
still present in physical=
form. Anybody who sincerely asks for
spiritual help, he/she will be helpe=
d by Babaji even today. Reading
the above, I instantly close my eyes and d=
eeply prayed Babaji. I
prayed that if you are still there guiding spiritua=
l people then
please help me for learning this Kriya yoga.
And to my pleas=
ant surprise, within a month I was introduced
(accidentally/ unplanned way=
) to Sudarshan Kriya Yoga of Art of
Living organization by Sri Sri Ravisha=
nkar. Few more such inner
experiences happened which convinced me that Bab=
aji is there and
gave me enough faith in Yogananda and Sri Sri Ravi Shanka=
r's
greatness as real yogis.
My strong opinion is that if one goes by med=

ia (Print or electronic
or internet), there are all the chances that most =
people will be
confused and would not be able to decide about somebody's c=
haracter
or caliber. Even Swami Vivekananda in his time was accused for ma=
ny
wrong practices in USA and U.K. hence personally, I rely upon my own
h=
eart and own experiences. I always stay far away from Print as well
as TV =
reports. Big NO NO. to News channels. Most of them are
spreading nonsense.=
They have become script writer rather than
authentic news providers. Even=
, random and reckless opinions of
people in general is many a times misgui=
ding/confusin g.
Same way, for my Beloved Thakur, I relied on the same way=

s. After I
read Gospel, I was drawn in to events which ultimately took me =
to My
Guru of this life (It took 4 years). And it can not be a coincidence=
that my Guru is also very very much attached to Thakur Ramkrsihna. I

rat=
e Ramkrsihna Kathamruta as the Best `darkness dispelling' book I
read till=
date and now spiritual books also doesn't interest me
much. Enough of rea=
ding, now it's high time for *Doing*.
Hence my input to all those serious=

spiritualist, who are also
seriously confused , that listen to yo=
u heart, Pray for the clarity,
Meditate, keep doing Sadhanas and observe t=
he chain of events
happening around you. Those are the best ways to get th=
e clarity
about any spiritual person or future spiritual Guru rather than =
depending, more than required, upon Media and such external inputs
who ha=
ve hardly any sincere spiritual interest.
I clarify here that I am an almo=

st a novice who is struggling in the
path of spirituality but still felt t=
hat my own inputs out of
experience may help few.
Spiritually yours,
Utpa=
l
--- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ ...> =
wrote:
>
> Hare Rama Krishna
> Dear Narasimha.
> Sorry I got my people and=
lineages all confused! Was reading
about too many people lately.
>
> Als=
o last night I saw a documentary on religious leaders,
cults etc.
> People=
want to see God so badly they are very eager to push
anyone who is willin=
g to claim to be special up on a pedestal.That
happened with my ex , he go=
t up there,felt it wasn't right and tried
to climb down, but his"disciples=
" didn't want him to.
> They continued to perpetuate falsehoods about his p=
urity, and
all sorts of cover ups.
> God and Jesus are living in some many=
places. Sometimes there
are several people simultaneously claiming to be =
Jesus in any psych
unit across the world/
> Its amazing where and to withi=
n whom people see "God".
> Isnt a spiritual master, guru, living like a mor=
tal in all
capacities while telling others how to find realization sort of=
hypocritical and bizarre?

>
> There is one fellow who used to be a heroi=
n addict and now he
says he is Jesus and has a huge following. they are wi=
lling to do
whatever he says and they give him money and all sorts of thin=
gs.
> Yesterday I went on the Internet, and looked at some many so
called =
yogis, preachers etc
> IN the USA I cant begin to tell you the number of re=
ligious
leaders that were revered as "God" or some other incarnation.
> In=
dia is no different, perhaps worse because people have a
natural respect f=
or sadhus , yogis etc and more yogis can get away
with pretending to be a =
renunciate.
> I believe God appears in different forms in different places =
and
times to attract people who are looking for him and to associate
with=
his devotees..
> Now that Documentary TV program and your posts got my min=
d
swimming.
> What are principles of religion? What is dharma, What is the=
purpose?
> Now if there were no laws or rules, social or religious and
e=
veryone did what they felt like, we would be living in a hell. At
least in=
Kali Yuga.
> What was the point of Jesus? Seems he got a lot of uncivilize=
d
people to work on basic codes of conduct... thou shalt not
steal,lie, c=
ommit adultery etc.
> Whose to say one person is a saint?.. some people(his=
faithful
followers) couldn't understand that Charles Manson was a mad man=
not
a prophet.
> There are other "yogis" who came to USA, smoking pot, ta=
king
drugs,
> and other ones advised having sex to find self realization a=
nd
acquiring tons of cars and
> helping many people trade STDs.
> Some pe=
ople ADVOCate mandatory forced marriage of young girls
AT puberty, usually=
to older men.. and its ok for their fathers to
teach them a thing or two,=
> One "saint" makes gold, but other people say he=
molested their
young teenage sons..
> In itself, being able to perform si=
ddhis or mystic things
doesn't make one elevated really. Maybe they have j=
ust accumulated
the power to manipulate physical matter.
> Unless a person=
is pure- it is hard to see who else is pure.
> And even then, well intenti=
oned people are deceived all the time.
>
> People have given up everything=
they owned and moved into under
ground tunnels because their leader( an i=
ncarnation of this or that)
said the world was ending.
> Or, time and time=
again, some swami turns out to molest kids,
and or do all sorts of things=
when no one is looking..
> "The Do as I say , don't do as I do"...
> "He i=
s so pure he doesn't have to obey the rules like everyone
else."
> Whose t=
o say who is pure?
> I think someone who is 100% serving their GOD day and =
night, at
all times and practicing what they preach has got to be pure....=
> Self realization after much thought and years

meditating/chanting is si=
mple i found... its the realization ,the
complete understanding of our rel=
ationship to God and to everything
and everyone else in our conscious and =
unconscious universe.
> But then by the time I die , I'm sure I'll have eve=
n more
realizations.
> There was a big article in TIME magazine with some =
personal
letter of Mother Theresa that she didnt want shown publically tha=
t
showed her apparently having doubts(privately in her heart) I guess
as =
a way to try and discredit her.
> Was she a saint, coming to India and push=
ing her views on the
poor?People go in circles debating her worth .
> And =
I guess these are the things I'm here for in this life,
which is different=
> I keep hoping astrology can "reveal" the real s=
aint the real
sadhus..etc
> Suffering helps one think about these things.
=
> Best wishes
> Lakshmi
>
>
>
=
> Dear Lakshmi,
>
> The Yogananda I mentioned is different. Swami Yoganand=
a is one
of the sixteen monastic disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, alo=
ng
with Swami Vivekananda. He was forced to marry, but never slept with
h=
is own wife. Swami Vivekananda once said "if any of us (disciples
of Ramak=
rishna) conquered lust completely and in all respects, it is
Joginder (Swa=
mi Yogananda)". There is no question of Swami Yogananda
being accused of d=
rinking and having women etc.
>
> Paramahamsa Yogananda is a sishya of Yuk=
teshwar Maharaj and from
the lineage of Mahavatar Babaji. They practice kr=
iya yoga. I do not
know much about him.
>
> * * *
>
> The link you gave =
is about neither Swami Yogananda nor
Paramahamsa Yogananda, but some propa=
ganda about Ramakrishna
Paramahamsa himself, based on some bali he apparen=
tly gave. So I am
unsure exactly who you wanted to talk about..
>
> Best =
regards,
> Narasimha
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------=
--------- -
> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ =
homam
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpan=
a
> Spirituality: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom
> Free Jyot=
ish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net
> Free Jyotish soft=
ware (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org
> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC=
) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org
> ------------ --------- --------- =
--------- --------- --------- -
>
> From:=
Lakshmi Kary
> Sent: Sunday, Septem=
ber 28, 2008 7:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Dharma
>
>
> Hare Rama Krishna
> Dear=
Narasimha,
> Ive read several apparently derogatory things about Paramaham=
sa
Yogananda- that he ate meat, drank and had women at different times.
S=
ome accounts seem very authoratative so I am inclined to believe
where the=
re is smoke there is fire.
> How can we reconcil he is spiritually special =
when he was
involved in some many other worldly things.?
> http://ramakris=
hnay b.blogspot. com/2008/ 02/95-where- is-safety- for-
fish-and-goats. htm=
l
> Best wishes
> Lakshmi
>
> =
=C3=AF=C2=BB=C2=BF Namaste,
>
>
> For the refe=
rence on Yogananda, you can read the section on
Swami Yogananda in "God Li=
ved with Them: Life Stories of Sixteen
Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrish=
na" by Swami Chetanananda.
>
> * * *
>
> There have been many great yogis=
, babas, saints and swamis in
the last few thousand years of Kali yuga. Bu=
t Ramakrishna
Paramahamsa stands out in one way. He is one master who mast=
ered
every single path. He mastered bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga, karma yoga
=
and even raaja yoga. He worshipped and experienced Rama, Krishna,
Kaali an=
d several forms. He even reached the state of nirvikalpa
samadhi, where th=
ere is no "experience" . He was in sahaja samadhi
always. He was able indu=
ce tremendous experience in people by mere
touch or mere look. Yet he was =
simple like a child and had zero ego
(that is why he could do all that!!!)=
.
>
> Many "gurus" force their dharma on their sishyas and have no
abilit=
y to recognize the true nature and dharma of each sishya. They
force sishy=
as to chant the mantra they chant, worship the form they
worship and walk =
the path they walk. Ramakrishna had deep insight
into the true nature of e=
ach sishya and gave specific instructions.
He taught totally different man=
tras, totally different forms and
totally different paths to different sis=
hyas. He even taught
contradictory things to different sishyas. When one s=
ishya who
needed to mend his aggressive attitude roughed up somebody for
=
insulting his guru, he scolded "shame on you. With your attitude,
you did =
not defend your guru, but brought shame to him. You should
learn to be cal=
m and ignore such insults. THAT will place your guru
in a good stead and n=
ot your aggression". When another sishya who
needed to mend his soft demea=
nor ignored insults of Ramakrishna by
some people and came away silently, =
he scolded him "shame on you.
> Shastras say that you should kill one who i=
nsults your guru. How
can you ignore such wrong behavior? You should give =
them a piece of
your mind."
>
> Spiritual sadhana does not mean just chan=
ting a mantra or
repeating a procedure everyday for a certain period of ti=
me.
Spiritual sadhana is a continuous process by which one transforms
one=
self from inside out and purifies oneself. That way, every action
and ever=
y thought becomes a sadhana and offers an opportunity for
introspection an=
d transformation of internal attitude.
>
> Anyway, coming back to the poin=
t, Ramakrishna is not a normal
sadhaka or a normal guru. He belonged to a =
very special class of
sadhakas and he was an exceptional guru to an except=
ional group of
sishyas.
>
> Without his [indirect] blessings, I would be =
a nobody and would
be lower than dirt. I would not be able to say anything=
intelligent
or meaningful in spiritual matters. Those who are impressed/i=
nspired
by something I write should be thankful to my guru Dr Manish Pandi=
t
and to Sri Ramakrishna for showering their grace using me as an
instrum=
ent and not to me.
>
> BTW, you are all free to forward my posts that you =
like to
people who may be interested in spiritual discussions. I have no
=
problem. As I said before, I am a servant distributing the wealth of
a kin=
g (Mother) as asked by the minister (my guru).
>
> Best regards,
> Narasim=
ha
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
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arpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana
> Spirituality: =
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom
> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):=
http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net
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www.SriJagan nath.org
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------=
- --------- -
>
>=
> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 2:4=
4 PM
> Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Dharma
>
> Dear Narasimhaji
>
> An=
other wonderly inspired post by you!!!!
>
> I did not understand one line =
of your post. You said during the
time of Mahabhrata there was tremendous =
weight on this planet. I
could not completely understand what you ment by =
this. Is it a
literal meaning of figuratative meaning?
>
> Also, could yo=
u tell me the name of reference of the book where
Sri Ramakrishna says Yog=
ananda was Arjuna.
>
> Thank you once again for your mails which are an i=
nspiration to
us all.
>
> -Regards
> Rajarshi
>
>
> "This above all: to=
thine own self be true!" - Hamlet
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 28/9/08, Narasimh=
a P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrote:
> From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...>
> Subj=
ect: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Dharma
> Cc: s=
ivacharya@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Sunday, 28 September, 2008, 12:11 AM
>
=
> Namaste,
>
> As Vimalananda says, dharma is indeed personal. Krishna cle=
arly
says in
> Bhagavad Geeta "Follow your own dharma. It is dangerous to=
follow
someone
> else's dharma".
>
> Following the path of dharma basic=
ally means engaging in the right
> action/duty. Right action varies from p=
erson to person, from time
to time
> and from place to place. It is depen=
dent on what nature expects
from you,
> which in turn is based on who you=
have been in the past, what
actions you
> did in the past while identify=
ing with the action, who you
affected in the
> past (and how) with the ac=
tions that you identified with, what
debts you
> created in the process, =
and what mental tendencies you accumulated
until
> now.
>
> If, based on=
one's mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature
wants a person
> to kil=
l evil persons, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on
one's mental
> te=
ndencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person to spread the
message of =
> uniformity of all religions, that becomes one's dharma. If, based
on on=
e's
> mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person to
spread=
the
> ritual of homam in the world, that becomes one's dharma. If, based =
on one's
> mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person to m=
ake
a lot of
> money and construct a temple, that becomes one's dharma.
>=
> * * *
>
> The dharma of a being may change from one life to another.
>=
> At the time of Mahabharata war, it was Arjuna's dharma to kill his
gur=
us,
> elders and relatives. The time then was such that there was too
muc=
h weight
> on earth and nature wanted earth to be relieved of some weight.=
Tremendous
> destruction was to take place and civilization destroyed to=
a
great extent,
> to welcome Kali yuga and set the tone for it. Arjuna b=
eing a great
warrior,
> it was his dharma to facilitate that. Some people=
he deeply loved
and
> respected were on the other side and it was his dh=
arma to kill
them.
>
> When the same Arjuna was born again in the 19th ce=
ntury as one of
> Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s sishyas (Swami Yogananda had =
been
Arjuna in a
> previous life, according to Ramakrishna) , his dharma =
was
different in this
> new time and place. He was born to renounce mater=
ial life despite
his
> aristocratic upbringing and live the simple life o=
f a monk and
inspire
> generations to embrace a simple life of mental det=
achment and
service to
> others. When he is born again (which he has to, =
as per what
Ramakrishna
> said), his dharma based on the time and place m=
ay be something
else.
>
> * * *
>
> The tricky question is: How does one=
decide what is one's dharma?
>
> Some people have interpreted Krishna's w=
ords saying "follow your
own dharma
> and not someone else's dharma" in t=
he light of castism. Though the
concept
> of caste (varna) has been there=
in Hinduism for a long time, the
concept of
> caste mobility was very mu=
ch there. Valmiki was a shudra who lived
by
> killing birds. He became a =
brahmana and a maharshi later.
Vishwamitra was a
> kshatrita and a powerf=
ul king. He became a brahmana and and a
maharshi
> later. Basically varna=
shows one's aptitude. One starts off with
the varna
> of father, because=
that is what one is exposed to in childhood. As
one
> develops in life, =
one gets one's own varna based on what one does.
>
> Thus, the misinterpre=
tation of Krishna's words which tells you to
know your
> dharma from your=
caste is wrong. Moreover, there are not just 4
dharmas in
> the world. E=
ach person has individual dharma.
>
> Knowing what one's dharma is is very=
very very difficult. If one
is pure
> enough, one will *know* one's dhar=
ma. In fact, all of us have a
part of our
> mind that tells us what our d=
harma is, but it is surrounded by a
lot of
> noise from other parts of ou=
r minds which tell other things. Thus,
we get
> confused.
>
> We should =
make the best judgment combining discrimination and
intuition and
> decid=
e what is our dharma and follow it sincerely. We may be err,
but doing
> =
>
> More than following dharma, wha=
t is of utmost importance is to
engage in
> actions without identificatio=
n. *That* alone ensures that we are
not
> accumulating new karmas, i.e. n=
ot increasing the load. We should
not build
> too much attachment to what=
we are doing. We should engage in the
best
> possible actions (based on =
our best judgment on what our dharma in
the given
> situation is), with a=
s little attachment and self-identification
with the
> action as possible=
. When the action is finished, we should leave
the result
> to god. We sh=
ould not think "I did it", "what will happen
now", "will it
> work" etc. =
Such adherence of nishkama karma yoga (unfication
through
> untached acti=
on) will simplify our ego and purify our
consciousness slowly.
> As we be=
come purer, our mind will work sharper and tell our dharma
clearer.
> The=
re is a positive feedback here. This will slowly enable us to
see our
> d=
harma clearly and follow it without incurring new karmas. This is
not easy=
,
>
> The bottomline is: Even if =
one is not following one's dharma,
one's sense of
> "this is my dharma" g=
ets refined with time if one engages in
action with
=
>
> * * *
>
> In deciding one's dharma, one's intellect and intuition are=
the
inputs.
> Another external input is the words of scriptures and lear=
ned men.
One can
> derive one's dharma from them. A special place is give=
n to one's
spiritual
> master. If one surrenders to a spiritual master, o=
ne can take the
words of
> the master to determine one's dharma and follo=
w it sincerely.
>
> When Arjuna was confused about what his dharma was and=
thought
killing gurus
> and relatives was not dharma, he had a guru in K=
rishna who
clarified his
> dharma. When Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) =
was confused about
his dharma
> and wanted to renounce the world and go t=
o a secluded place to do
sadhana,
> Ramakrishna Paramahamsa cried and pre=
vailed upon him to stay in
the material
> world and do the work of Mother=
for him.
>
> One who is not in tune with nature and does not know who one=
is,
what one's
> debts are and what nature expects from one can err in t=
he judgment
of what
> one's dharma is. If one's guru is an elevated soul =
with a clear
insight into
> one's inner core, such a guru can give perfec=
t guidance.
>
> * * *
>
> Bottomline is that I (or anybody) cannot outlin=
e a set of
principles and
> declare that as the dharma. No, dharma change=
s from person to
person, from
> time to time and from place to place. Als=
o, there are no
thumbrules to find
> out what one's dharma is. But, one c=
an refine one's understanding
of one's
> dharma by increasing internal pu=
rity. By doing various kinds of
spiritual
> sadhana (like homam, japam et=
c) and engaging in actions without
much
> attachment, one can slowly puri=
fy oneself and refine one's
understanding of
> one's individual dharma.
>=
> Best regards,

> Narasimha
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- =
--------- --------- -
> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rolo=
ger.org/ homam
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.or=
g/
tarpana
>=
> Free Jy=
otish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org
> Sri Jagannath C=
> ------------ --------- =
--------- --------- --------- --------- -
>
> ----- Original Message ----=
-
> From: "dahiyajiten" <dahiyajiten@ yahoo.co. in>
> To: <vedic-wisdom@ y=
ahoogroups. com>
> Subject: [v=
edic-wisdom] Dharma
>
> > Namaste to all
> >
> > i just finished my Aghora=
series
> > Vimalanda says path of dharma is ver=
y personal.
> > Can somebody share views on that and how can we approach
> =
> towards it
> > Does it has to do something with vedas and upanishads
> >
=
> > regards
> > jitender
>
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nbsp;Whether he is Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Sri Ramana Maharshi, S=
ri Aurobindo and Mother or Paramahamsa Yogananda, the Divine Force acting t=
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s, serif">----- Original Message ----<BR>From: utpal pathak <vedic_patha=
k@...><BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Sent: Monday, 29 Sep=
tember, 2008 8:24:34 PM<BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Yogananda (Re: Dharma)<B=
R><BR>
<P>Namaste Lakshmi Bahen,<BR><BR>I wish to tell=
you my experience in this connection as to how we can <BR>differentiate Re=
al Spiritual person amongst the fake one.<BR><BR>Once I was reading 'Autobi=
ography of a Yogi', the very much <BR>celebrated book by Sri Paramhansa Yog=
ananda. I was actually <BR>fascinated by the 'Kriya Yoga' mentioned in the =
book and there arose <BR>a deep desire to learn this Kriya yoga. I came to =
reading the <BR>chapter on 'Babaji' in the same book. In the very chapter, =
Yogananda <BR>has mentioned that Babaji is living since many centuries and =
he is <BR>still present in physical form. Anybody who sincerely asks for <B=
R>spiritual help, he/she will be helped by Babaji even today. Reading <BR>t=
he above, I instantly close my eyes and deeply prayed Babaji. I <BR>prayed =
that if you are still there guiding spiritual people then <BR>please help m=
e for learning this Kriya yoga.<BR>And to my pleasant surprise, within a mo=
nth I was introduced
<BR>(accidentally/ unplanned way) to Sudarshan Kriya =
Yoga of Art of <BR>Living organization by Sri Sri Ravishankar. Few more suc=
h inner <BR>experiences happened which convinced me that Babaji is there an=
d <BR>gave me enough faith in Yogananda and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar's <BR>grea=
tness as real yogis.<BR><BR>My strong opinion is that if one goes by media =
(Print or electronic <BR>or internet), there are all the chances that most =
people will be <BR>confused and would not be able to decide about somebody'=
s character <BR>or caliber. Even Swami Vivekananda in his time was accused =
for many <BR>wrong practices in USA and U.K. hence personally, I rely upon =
my own <BR>heart and own experiences. I always stay far away from Print as =
well <BR>as TV reports. Big NO NO. to News channels. Most of them are <BR>s=
preading nonsense. They have become script writer rather than <BR>authentic=
news providers. Even, random and reckless opinions of <BR>people in genera=
l is many a
times misguiding/confusin g.<BR><BR>Same way, for my Beloved T=
hakur, I relied on the same ways. After I <BR>read Gospel, I was drawn in t=
o events which ultimately took me to My <BR>Guru of this life (It took 4 ye=
ars). And it can not be a coincidence <BR>that my Guru is also very very mu=
ch attached to Thakur Ramkrsihna. I <BR>rate Ramkrsihna Kathamruta as the B=
est `darkness dispelling' book I <BR>read till date and now spiritual books=
also doesn't interest me <BR>much. Enough of reading, now it's high time f=
or *Doing*. <BR><BR>Hence my input to all those serious spiritualist, who a=
re also <BR>seriously confused , that listen to you heart, Pray=
for the clarity, <BR>Meditate, keep doing Sadhanas and observe the chain o=
f events <BR>happening around you. Those are the best ways to get the clari=
ty <BR>about any spiritual person or future spiritual Guru rather than <BR>=
depending, more than required, upon Media and such external inputs <BR>who =
have
hardly any sincere spiritual interest.<BR><BR>I clarify here that I a=
m an almost a novice who is struggling in the <BR>path of spirituality but =
still felt that my own inputs out of <BR>experience may help few.<BR><BR>Sp=
iritually yours,<BR>Utpal <BR><BR>--- In <A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40y=
ahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:vedic-wisd=
om%40yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>, Lakshmi Kary <=
lakshmikary@ ...> <BR>wrote:<BR>><BR>> Hare Rama Krishna<BR>> D=
ear Narasimha.<BR>> Sorry I got my people and lineages all confused! Was=
reading <BR>about too many people lately.<BR>> <BR>> Also last night=
I saw a documentary on religious leaders, <BR>cults etc.<BR>> People wa=
nt to see God so badly they are very eager to push <BR>anyone who is willin=
g to claim to be special up on a pedestal.That <BR>happened with my ex , he=
got up there,felt it wasn't right and tried <BR>to climb down, but
his"di=
sciples" didn't want him to.<BR>> They continued to perpetuate falsehood=
s about his purity, and <BR>all sorts of cover ups.<BR>> God and Jesus a=
re living in some many places. Sometimes there <BR>are several people simul=
taneously claiming to be Jesus in any psych <BR>unit across the world/<BR>&=
gt; Its amazing where and to within whom people see "God".<BR>> Isnt a s=
piritual master, guru, living like a mortal in all <BR>capacities while tel=
ling others how to find realization sort of <BR>hypocritical and bizarre?<B=
R>> <BR>> There is one fellow who used to be a heroin addict and now =
he <BR>says he is Jesus and has a huge following. they are willing to do <B=
R>whatever he says and they give him money and all sorts of things.<BR>>=
Yesterday I went on the Internet, and looked at some many so <BR>called yo=
gis, preachers etc<BR>> IN the USA I cant begin to tell you the number o=
f religious <BR>leaders that were revered as "God" or some
other incarnati=
on.<BR>> India is no different, perhaps worse because people have a <BR>=
natural respect for sadhus , yogis etc and more yogis can get away <BR>with=
pretending to be a renunciate.<BR>> I believe God appears in different =
forms in different places and <BR>times to attract people who are looking f=
or him and to associate <BR>with his devotees..<BR>> Now that Documentar=
y TV program and your posts got my mind <BR>swimming.<BR>> What are prin=
ciples of religion? What is dharma, What is the <BR>purpose?<BR>> Now if=
there were no laws or rules, social or religious and <BR>everyone did what=
they felt like, we would be living in a hell. At <BR>least in Kali Yuga.<B=
R>> What was the point of Jesus? Seems he got a lot of uncivilized <BR>p=
eople to work on basic codes of conduct... thou shalt not <BR>steal,lie, co=
mmit adultery etc.<BR>> Whose to say one person is a saint?.. some peopl=
e(his faithful <BR>followers) couldn't understand
that Charles Manson was =
a mad man not <BR>a prophet.<BR>> There are other "yogis" who came to US=
A, smoking pot, taking <BR>drugs,<BR>> and other ones advised having sex=
to find self realization and <BR>acquiring tons of cars and <BR>> helpi=
ng many people trade STDs.<BR>> Some people ADVOCate mandatory forced ma=
rriage of young girls <BR>AT puberty, usually to older men.. and its ok for=
their fathers to <BR>teach them a thing or two, before being handed off.<B=
R>> One "saint" makes gold, but other people say he molested their <BR>y=
oung teenage sons..<BR>> In itself, being able to perform siddhis or mys=
tic things <BR>doesn't make one elevated really. Maybe they have just accum=
ulated <BR>the power to manipulate physical matter.<BR>> Unless a person=
is pure- it is hard to see who else is pure.<BR>> And even then, well i=
ntentioned people are deceived all the time.<BR>> <BR>> People have g=
iven up everything they owned and moved
into under <BR>ground tunnels beca=
use their leader( an incarnation of this or that) <BR>said the world was en=
ding.<BR>> Or, time and time again, some swami turns out to molest kids,=
<BR>and or do all sorts of things when no one is looking..<BR>> "The Do=
as I say , don't do as I do"...<BR>> "He is so pure he doesn't have to =
obey the rules like everyone <BR>else."<BR>> Whose to say who is pure?<B=
R>> I think someone who is 100% serving their GOD day and night, at <BR>=
all times and practicing what they preach has got to be pure....<BR>> Se=
lf realization after much thought and years <BR>meditating/chanting is simp=
le i found... its the realization ,the <BR>complete understanding of our re=
lationship to God and to everything <BR>and everyone else in our conscious =
and unconscious universe.<BR>> But then by the time I die , I'm sure I'l=
l have even more <BR>realizations.<BR>> There was a big article in TIME =
magazine with some personal
<BR>letter of Mother Theresa that she didnt wa=
nt shown publically that <BR>showed her apparently having doubts(privately =
in her heart) I guess <BR>as a way to try and discredit her.<BR>> Was sh=
e a saint, coming to India and pushing her views on the <BR>poor?People go =
in circles debating her worth .<BR>> And I guess these are the things I'=
m here for in this life, <BR>which is different than other peoples path.<BR=
>> I keep hoping astrology can "reveal" the real saint the real <BR>sadh=
us..etc<BR>> Suffering helps one think about these things.<BR>> Best =
wishes<BR>> Lakshmi<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> "Narasimha P.V.R.=
Rao" <pvr@...> wrote:<BR>> Dear Lakshmi,<BR>> <BR>> The Yog=
ananda I mentioned is different. Swami Yogananda is one <BR>of the sixteen =
monastic disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, along <BR>with Swami Vivekan=
anda. He was forced to marry, but never slept with <BR>his own wife. Swami =
Vivekananda once said
"if any of us (disciples <BR>of Ramakrishna) conquer=
ed lust completely and in all respects, it is <BR>Joginder (Swami Yogananda=
)". There is no question of Swami Yogananda <BR>being accused of drinking a=
nd having women etc.<BR>> <BR>> Paramahamsa Yogananda is a sishya of =
Yukteshwar Maharaj and from <BR>the lineage of Mahavatar Babaji. They pract=
ice kriya yoga. I do not <BR>know much about him.<BR>> <BR>> * * *<BR=
>> <BR>> The link you gave is about neither Swami Yogananda nor <BR>P=
aramahamsa Yogananda, but some propaganda about Ramakrishna <BR>Paramahamsa=
himself, based on some bali he apparently gave. So I am <BR>unsure exactly=
who you wanted to talk about..<BR>> <BR>> Best regards,<BR>> Nara=
simha<BR>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------=
- -<BR>> Do a Short Homam Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologe=
r.org/homam" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org=
/ homam</A><BR>>
Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedi=
castrologer.org/tarpana" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst=
rologer.org/ tarpana</A><BR>> Spirituality: <A href=3D"http://groups.ya=
ahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom</A><BR>> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <A hr=
ttp://vedicastro. home.comcast. net</A><BR>> Free Jyotish software (Wind=
ows): <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnof=
ollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org</A><BR>> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC=
) website: <A href=3D"http://www.srijagannath.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dn=
ofollow>http://www.SriJagan nath.org</A><BR>> ------------ --------- ---=
------ --------- --------- --------- - <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Mes=
sage ----- <BR>> From: Lakshmi Kary <BR>> To: <A href=3D"mailto:vedic=
-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailt=
o:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A> <BR>&g=
t; Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:59 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: Dharma<BR>=
> <BR>> <BR>> Hare Rama Krishna<BR>> Dear Narasimha,<BR>> Iv=
e read several apparently derogatory things about Paramahamsa <BR>Yogananda=
- that he ate meat, drank and had women at different times. <BR>Some accoun=
ts seem very authoratative so I am inclined to believe <BR>where there is s=
moke there is fire.<BR>> How can we reconcil he is spiritually special w=
hen he was <BR>involved in some many other worldly things.?<BR>> <A href=
=3D"http://ramakrishnayb.blogspot.com/2008/02/95-where-is-safety-for-" targ=
et=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://ramakrishnay b.blogspot. com/2008/ 02/95-=
where- is-safety- for-</A><BR>fish-and-goats. html<BR>> Best wishes<BR>&=
gt; Lakshmi<BR>> <BR>> "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...> wrote:<=
BR>> =C3=AF=C2=BB=C2=BF Namaste,<BR>> <BR>> I
meant it figurative=
ly.<BR>> <BR>> For the reference on Yogananda, you can read the secti=
on on <BR>Swami Yogananda in "God Lived with Them: Life Stories of Sixteen =
<BR>Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna" by Swami Chetanananda.<BR>> <=
BR>> * * *<BR>> <BR>> There have been many great yogis, babas, sai=
nts and swamis in <BR>the last few thousand years of Kali yuga. But Ramakri=
shna <BR>Paramahamsa stands out in one way. He is one master who mastered <=
BR>every single path. He mastered bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga, karma yoga <BR>=
and even raaja yoga. He worshipped and experienced Rama, Krishna, <BR>Kaali=
and several forms. He even reached the state of nirvikalpa <BR>samadhi, wh=
ere there is no "experience" . He was in sahaja samadhi <BR>always. He was =
able induce tremendous experience in people by mere <BR>touch or mere look.=
Yet he was simple like a child and had zero ego <BR>(that is why he could =
do all that!!!).<BR>> <BR>> Many "gurus"
force their dharma on their=
sishyas and have no <BR>ability to recognize the true nature and dharma of=
each sishya. They <BR>force sishyas to chant the mantra they chant, worshi=
p the form they <BR>worship and walk the path they walk. Ramakrishna had de=
ep insight <BR>into the true nature of each sishya and gave specific instru=
ctions. <BR>He taught totally different mantras, totally different forms an=
d <BR>totally different paths to different sishyas. He even taught <BR>cont=
radictory things to different sishyas. When one sishya who <BR>needed to me=
nd his aggressive attitude roughed up somebody for <BR>insulting his guru, =
he scolded "shame on you. With your attitude, <BR>you did not defend your g=
uru, but brought shame to him. You should <BR>learn to be calm and ignore s=
uch insults. THAT will place your guru <BR>in a good stead and not your agg=
ression". When another sishya who <BR>needed to mend his soft demeanor igno=
red insults of Ramakrishna by <BR>some
people and came away silently, he s=
colded him "shame on you.<BR>> Shastras say that you should kill one who=
insults your guru. How <BR>can you ignore such wrong behavior? You should =
give them a piece of <BR>your mind."<BR>> <BR>> Spiritual sadhana doe=
s not mean just chanting a mantra or <BR>repeating a procedure everyday for=
a certain period of time. <BR>Spiritual sadhana is a continuous process by=
which one transforms <BR>oneself from inside out and purifies oneself. Tha=
t way, every action <BR>and every thought becomes a sadhana and offers an o=
pportunity for <BR>introspection and transformation of internal attitude.<B=
R>> <BR>> Anyway, coming back to the point, Ramakrishna is not a norm=
al <BR>sadhaka or a normal guru. He belonged to a very special class of <BR=
>sadhakas and he was an exceptional guru to an exceptional group of <BR>sis=
hyas.<BR>> <BR>> Without his [indirect] blessings, I would be a nobod=
y and would <BR>be lower than
dirt. I would not be able to say anything in=
telligent <BR>or meaningful in spiritual matters. Those who are impressed/i=
nspired <BR>by something I write should be thankful to my guru Dr Manish Pa=
ndit <BR>and to Sri Ramakrishna for showering their grace using me as an <B=
R>instrument and not to me.<BR>> <BR>> BTW, you are all free to forwa=
rd my posts that you like to <BR>people who may be interested in spiritual =
discussions. I have no <BR>problem. As I said before, I am a servant distri=
buting the wealth of <BR>a king (Mother) as asked by the minister (my guru)=
.<BR>> <BR>> Best regards,<BR>> Narasimha<BR>> ------------ ---=
------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -<BR>> Do a Short Homam Y=
ourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/homam" target=3D_blank r=
el=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam</A><BR>> Do Pitri T=
arpanas Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/tarpana" target=
=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana</A><BR>&=
gt; Spirituality: <A href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom" ta=
rget=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom<=
/A><BR>> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <A href=3D"http://vedicastro.home.c=
omcast.net/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://vedicastro. home.comcast=
. net</A><BR>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): <A href=3D"http://www.ve=
dicastrologer.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rolo=
ger.org</A><BR>> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <A href=3D"http://w=
ww.srijagannath.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.SriJagan na=
th.org</A><BR>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---=
------ - <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: raja=
rshi nandy <BR>> To: <A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" t=
arget=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.=
com">vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups.
com</A> <BR>> Sent: Sunday, September 2=
8, 2008 2:44 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Dharma<BR>> <BR>=
> Dear Narasimhaji<BR>> <BR>> Another wonderly inspired post by yo=
u!!!!<BR>> <BR>> I did not understand one line of your post. You said=
during the <BR>time of Mahabhrata there was tremendous weight on this plan=
et. I <BR>could not completely understand what you ment by this. Is it a <B=
R>literal meaning of figuratative meaning?<BR>> <BR>> Also, could you=
tell me the name of reference of the book where <BR>Sri Ramakrishna says Y=
ogananda was Arjuna. <BR>> <BR>> Thank you once again for your mails =
which are an inspiration to <BR>us all.<BR>> <BR>> -Regards<BR>> R=
ajarshi<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> "This above all: to thine own self be tru=
e!" - Hamlet<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --- On Sun, 28/9/08, Narasi=
mha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrote:<BR>> From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao &l=
t;pvr@...><BR>>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Dharma<BR>> To: <A hr=
ef=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow=
ymailto=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroup=
s. com</A><BR>> Cc: <A href=3D"mailto:sivacharya%40yahoogroups.com" targ=
et=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:sivacharya%40yahoogroups.com">=
sivacharya@yahoogro ups.com</A><BR>> Date: Sunday, 28 September, 2008, 1=
2:11 AM<BR>> <BR>> Namaste,<BR>> <BR>> As Vimalananda says, dha=
rma is indeed personal. Krishna clearly <BR>says in <BR>> Bhagavad Geeta=
"Follow your own dharma. It is dangerous to follow <BR>someone <BR>> el=
se's dharma".<BR>> <BR>> Following the path of dharma basically means=
engaging in the right <BR>> action/duty. Right action varies from perso=
n to person, from time <BR>to time <BR>> and from place to place. It is =
dependent on what nature expects <BR>from you, <BR>> which in turn is ba=
sed on who you have been in the
past, what <BR>actions you <BR>> did in=
the past while identifying with the action, who you <BR>affected in the <B=
R>> past (and how) with the actions that you identified with, what <BR>d=
ebts you <BR>> created in the process, and what mental tendencies you ac=
cumulated <BR>until <BR>> now.<BR>> <BR>> If, based on one's menta=
l tendencies and karmic debts, nature <BR>wants a person <BR>> to kill e=
vil persons, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on <BR>one's mental <BR>&=
gt; tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person to spread the <BR>me=
ssage of <BR>> uniformity of all religions, that becomes one's dharma. I=
f, based <BR>on one's <BR>> mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature w=
ants a person to <BR>spread the <BR>> ritual of homam in the world, that=
becomes one's dharma. If, based <BR>on one's <BR>> mental tendencies an=
d karmic debts, nature wants a person to make <BR>a lot of <BR>> money a=
nd construct a temple,
that becomes one's dharma.<BR>> <BR>> * * *<B=
R>> <BR>> The dharma of a being may change from one life to another.<=
BR>> <BR>> At the time of Mahabharata war, it was Arjuna's dharma to =
kill his <BR>gurus, <BR>> elders and relatives. The time then was such t=
hat there was too <BR>much weight <BR>> on earth and nature wanted earth=
to be relieved of some weight. <BR>Tremendous <BR>> destruction was to =
take place and civilization destroyed to a <BR>great extent, <BR>> to we=
lcome Kali yuga and set the tone for it. Arjuna being a great <BR>warrior, =
<BR>> it was his dharma to facilitate that. Some people he deeply loved =
<BR>and <BR>> respected were on the other side and it was his dharma to =
kill <BR>them.<BR>> <BR>> When the same Arjuna was born again in the =
19th century as one of <BR>> Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s sishyas (Swami Y=
ogananda had been <BR>Arjuna in a <BR>> previous life, according to Rama=
krishna) , his
dharma was <BR>different in this <BR>> new time and plac=
e. He was born to renounce material life despite <BR>his <BR>> aristocra=
tic upbringing and live the simple life of a monk and <BR>inspire <BR>> =
generations to embrace a simple life of mental detachment and <BR>service t=
o <BR>> others. When he is born again (which he has to, as per what <BR>=
Ramakrishna <BR>> said), his dharma based on the time and place may be s=
omething <BR>else.<BR>> <BR>> * * *<BR>> <BR>> The tricky quest=
ion is: How does one decide what is one's dharma?<BR>> <BR>> Some peo=
ple have interpreted Krishna's words saying "follow your <BR>own dharma <BR=
>> and not someone else's dharma" in the light of castism. Though the <B=
R>concept <BR>> of caste (varna) has been there in Hinduism for a long t=
ime, the <BR>concept of <BR>> caste mobility was very much there. Valmik=
i was a shudra who lived <BR>by <BR>> killing birds. He became a brahman=
a and a
maharshi later. <BR>Vishwamitra was a <BR>> kshatrita and a pow=
erful king. He became a brahmana and and a <BR>maharshi <BR>> later. Bas=
ically varna shows one's aptitude. One starts off with <BR>the varna <BR>&g=
t; of father, because that is what one is exposed to in childhood. As <BR>o=
ne <BR>> develops in life, one gets one's own varna based on what one do=
es.<BR>> <BR>> Thus, the misinterpretation of Krishna's words which t=
ells you to <BR>know your <BR>> dharma from your caste is wrong. Moreove=
r, there are not just 4 <BR>dharmas in <BR>> the world. Each person has =
individual dharma.<BR>> <BR>> Knowing what one's dharma is is very ve=
ry very difficult. If one <BR>is pure <BR>> enough, one will *know* one'=
s dharma. In fact, all of us have a <BR>part of our <BR>> mind that tell=
s us what our dharma is, but it is surrounded by a <BR>lot of <BR>> nois=
e from other parts of our minds which tell other things. Thus, <BR>we get
=
<BR>> confused.<BR>> <BR>> We should make the best judgment combin=
ing discrimination and <BR>intuition and <BR>> decide what is our dharma=
and follow it sincerely. We may be err, <BR>but doing <BR>> the best we=
can is all that we can do!<BR>> <BR>> More than following dharma, wh=
at is of utmost importance is to <BR>engage in <BR>> actions without ide=
ntification. *That* alone ensures that we are <BR>not <BR>> accumulating=
new karmas, i.e. not increasing the load. We should <BR>not build <BR>>=
too much attachment to what we are doing. We should engage in the <BR>best=
<BR>> possible actions (based on our best judgment on what our dharma i=
n <BR>the given <BR>> situation is), with as little attachment and self-=
identification <BR>with the <BR>> action as possible. When the action is=
finished, we should leave <BR>the result <BR>> to god. We should not th=
ink "I did it", "what will happen <BR>now", "will it <BR>> work"
etc. S=
uch adherence of nishkama karma yoga (unfication <BR>through <BR>> untac=
hed action) will simplify our ego and purify our <BR>consciousness slowly. =
<BR>> As we become purer, our mind will work sharper and tell our dharma=
<BR>clearer. <BR>> There is a positive feedback here. This will slowly =
enable us to <BR>see our <BR>> dharma clearly and follow it without incu=
rring new karmas. This is <BR>not easy, <BR>> but not as difficult as pe=
ople think.<BR>> <BR>> The bottomline is: Even if one is not followin=
g one's dharma, <BR>one's sense of <BR>> "this is my dharma" gets refine=
d with time if one engages in <BR>action with <BR>> little attachment.<B=
R>> <BR>> * * *<BR>> <BR>> In deciding one's dharma, one's inte=
llect and intuition are the <BR>inputs. <BR>> Another external input is =
the words of scriptures and learned men. <BR>One can <BR>> derive one's =
dharma from them. A special place is given to one's
<BR>spiritual <BR>>=
master. If one surrenders to a spiritual master, one can take the <BR>word=
s of <BR>> the master to determine one's dharma and follow it sincerely.=
<BR>> <BR>> When Arjuna was confused about what his dharma was and th=
ought <BR>killing gurus <BR>> and relatives was not dharma, he had a gur=
u in Krishna who <BR>clarified his <BR>> dharma. When Narendranath (Swam=
i Vivekananda) was confused about <BR>his dharma <BR>> and wanted to ren=
ounce the world and go to a secluded place to do <BR>sadhana, <BR>> Rama=
krishna Paramahamsa cried and prevailed upon him to stay in <BR>the materia=
l <BR>> world and do the work of Mother for him.<BR>> <BR>> One wh=
o is not in tune with nature and does not know who one is, <BR>what one's <=
BR>> debts are and what nature expects from one can err in the judgment =
<BR>of what <BR>> one's dharma is. If one's guru is an elevated soul wit=
h a clear <BR>insight into <BR>> one's
inner core, such a guru can give=
perfect guidance.<BR>> <BR>> * * *<BR>> <BR>> Bottomline is th=
at I (or anybody) cannot outline a set of <BR>principles and <BR>> decla=
re that as the dharma. No, dharma changes from person to <BR>person, from <=
BR>> time to time and from place to place. Also, there are no <BR>thumbr=
ules to find <BR>> out what one's dharma is. But, one can refine one's u=
nderstanding <BR>of one's <BR>> dharma by increasing internal purity. By=
doing various kinds of <BR>spiritual <BR>> sadhana (like homam, japam e=
tc) and engaging in actions without <BR>much <BR>> attachment, one can s=
lowly purify oneself and refine one's <BR>understanding of <BR>> one's i=
ndividual dharma.<BR>> <BR>> Best regards,<BR>> Narasimha<BR>> =
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -<BR>> Do=
a Short Homam Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicast/" target=3D_blank r=
el=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst</A>
rologer.org/ homam<BR>> Do Pitri =
Tarpanas Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicast/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dn=
ofollow>http://www.VedicAst</A> rologer.org/ <BR>tarpana<BR>> Spirituali=
ty: <A href=3D"http://groups./" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://group=
s.</A> yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom<BR>> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <=
A href=3D"http://vedicastro./" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://vedica=
stro.</A> home.comcast. net<BR>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): <A hre=
f=3D"http://www.vedicast/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicA=
st</A> rologer.org<BR>> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <A href=3D"h=
ttp://www.srijagan/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.SriJagan</A>=
nath.org<BR>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ----=
----- - <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "dahi=
yajiten" <dahiyajiten@ yahoo.co. in><BR>> To: <vedic-wisdom@ ya=
hoogroups. com><BR>> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008
8:02 AM<BR>&=
gt; Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Dharma<BR>> <BR>> > Namaste to all<BR>=
> ><BR>> > i just finished my Aghora series<BR>> > and in=
it in last part<BR>> > Vimalanda says path of dharma is very persona=
l.<BR>> > Can somebody share views on that and how can we approach<BR=
>> > towards it<BR>> > Does it has to do something with vedas a=
nd upanishads<BR>> ><BR>> > regards<BR>> > jitender<BR>&g=
t;<BR><BR></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></div><br>
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2008 12:05:05 -0000
2008 12:05:04 -0000
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:05:04 -0000
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MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: Fwd: Re: [hc] BEST WISHES FOR A HAPPY DIPAVALI (SEP. 28, 2008!)
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--- In hinducivilization@yahoogroups.com, "Avtar Krishen Kaul"

<jyotirved@=
...> wrote:
Shri Anil Kurnoolji,

Namaskar!
<Is today Diwali???>
Yes, Septe=
mber 28, 2008, was the real Dipavali as per following
details:
1. Accordi=
ng to the Report of Saha Calendar Reform Committee, page
104, "Kali-puja (=
Nishitha Vyapini), Dipavali or Diwali (Pradosha,
Mahalakshmipuja (Pradosha=
), Kethar Gauri Vrata (S. India), Mahavira
nirvana (Jain)" ---all these fe=
stivals are to be celebrated on
Ashvina (Mukhyamana---i.e. Amanta) Krishna=
Amavasya".
2. Same is the criterion as per Dharma-sindu, Nirnaya-sindhu, =
Hemadri and even Swami Kannu Pillai's Ephemeris.

Now the question arises =
as to when the real "Ashvina Krishna
(Mukhyamana) Amavasya" took place.
3=
. The Vedanga Jyotisha---the ancient-most indigenous astronomical
work by =
Acharya Lagadha, tells us that the start of Uttarayana---the
shortest day =
of the year viz. Witner Solstice---is also the start of
the month of Tapah=
cum-(solar)- Magha. This happens these days
around December 21/22. That =
very ingress is known as Makara
Sankranti as per the Bhagavata, Visnhnu Pu=
rana, Shva Purana etc.
etc.---in fact all the eighteen puranas, nay even a=
ll the sidhantas,
inlcuding the Surya Sidhanta by Maya the mlechha. The fi=
rst New Moon
following the same is the start of lunar Magha Shukla.
The=
month of Tapasya and solar Phalguna start simultaneously after
about 30/3=
1 days of Uttarayana. That very ingress is known as
Kumbha Sankranti as p=
er all the Puranas and sidhantas. The first
New Moon after that is the st=
art of Lunar Phalgua Shukla and so on.
These are the criteria of the rea=

l Vedic solar and lunar months as
per all the Vedas and Puranas and other =
shastras---nay even the
sidhantas including the Surya Sidhanta!
As per th=
e same criterion, the Vedic month of Isha-cum-solar Ashvina
started on Aug=
ust 22/23, 2008. That very ingress is also known
Kanya Snakrnati as per a=
ll the Puranas and sidhantas.
The first New Moon (Amanta) after that was on=
August 31, 2008. THAT
WAS THUS THE DATE OF START OF ASHVINA SHUKLA PAKSH=
A! THAT WAS THUS
THE ACTUAL STARTING DATE OF SHARADIYA NAVRATRAS!
The Am=
avasya at Pradosha and nisheetha after that Ashvina (Navratra)
New Moon was=
on September 28, 2008! THAT WAS THUS THE ASHVINA
KRISHNA AMAVASYA (MUKHYA=
MANA) AS PER ALL THE SHASTRAS, INLCUING THE
VEDAS AND PURANAS!
Hence the =
real Dipavali cum Kali-Puja cum Lakshmi-puja was on
September 28, 2008.
=
Since Amavasya at sunrise is today i.e. September 29, 2008, hence

the rea=
l Mahavira Jayanti (Jains) is today i.e. September 29, 2008.
The Navratras=
and Dipavalis etc. or even Mahavira Jayanti that you
and other Hindus/Jai=
ns etc. are/will be celebrating are thus NOT AS
PER THE SHASTRAS but as pe=
r the frauds who call themselves Vedic
astrologers, since they do not know=
n actually even ABC of the Vedas
so much so so that they confuse "Vedanga =
Jyotisha" as a work of
predictive gimmicks/astrology---when that work does=
not talk of
either Mesha,Vrisha etc. Rashis or Mangal,Shani etc. planets =
even by
mistake.
With regards,
A K Kaul
--- In hinducivilization@yahoog=
roups.com, "Anil Kurnool"
<akurnool@> wrote:
>
> Dear Sir,
> Is today Diwa=
li???
>
> Regards,
> Anil Kurnool
>
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 3:07 PM, jy=
otirved <jyotirved@> wrote:
>
> > Dear friends,.
> >
> >
> >
> > BEST W=
ISHES FOR A HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS DIPAVALI.
> >
> >
> >
> > Avtar Krishen Ka=
ul
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> ~~~~ www.anilprasad.com
>
--- End forwar=

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Sep 2008 13:07:39 -0000
2008 13:07:39 -0000
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:07:37 -0000
Message-ID: <gbqjup+u4q2@...>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: RE: [WAVES-Vedic] Fwd: Re: "Vedic astrology" - the greatest fraud on the
Vedas
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8ZljvbKBDtHBKOC3SV6_68FcJKSj2fT1kT
--- In WAVES-Vedic@yahoogroups.com, Prem Sabhlok <psabhlok@...> wrote:
I =
do not know why it is called Vedic Astrology. May be I have missed
that ma=
ntra/hymn/Rik in Vedas which refers to Astrology (Jyotish
Vidya). Mantras =
relating to Astronomy, Algebra, physical sciences,
Medical sciences etc ar=
e there but about Astrology I could not find
any reference in Vedas. In Ra=
mayana and Mahabharta which are Vedas
retold, also there is no reference t=
o Astrology. Can any Vedic scholar
throw some light on this aspect? Some l=
earned people have found that
astrology started in Greece as a hobby but n=
ot as a science. To my
understanding Vedas do not have even the concept of=
auspicious/inauspicious time/period.
With kind regards,
P.K.Sabhlok
T=
o: waves-vedic@...: jyotirved@...: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:01:27
+0000Subject:=
[WAVES-Vedic] Fwd: Re: "Vedic astrology" - the greatest
fraud on the Veda=
s! (reposted)
--- In HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com, "Avtar Krishen Kaul=

"
<jyotirved@> wrote:Shri Ravilochananji,Namaskar!<I concur with your
vie=
ws. NOwhere is it said in our epics or Puranas that the Kings or
Princes c=
onsulted astrologers before marriage. Neither did Lord Ram
consult an astr=
ologer before taking part in the bow contest nor did
Lord Krishna went in =
search of astrologers before departing to carry
away Devi Rukmini.>The fad=
of kings consulting jyotishis was started
through his Brihat Samhita by V=
arahamihira who was the greatest
charlatan according to me since he could =
make "correct predictions
from incorect data" viz. panchangas based on May=
a the mlechha's Surya
Sidhanta, the most monstrous astronomical work that =
could ever have
been produced by anybody! No wonder, "Vedic astrologers" o=
f today vie
with one another for being called "Varahamihira" since they al=
so can
make correct predictions ONLY from incorrect data!Regarding "Patri =
Melapak", what is most ironic is that no "jyotisha shastra" right from

Sp=
hujidwaja's yavana Jatakam to the most notorious fake work viz.
Brihat Par=
ashari has touched this topic even with a barge pole, but
then today's "Ve=
dic jyotishis" say that it was practised by Vedic
seers! My personal view =
is that if the seers had really indulged in
such a non-sense (actually the=
most cunning!) fad, almost all of them
would still have been looking for =
a spouse whose Patri would match
with theirs with at least 28 gunas!<It is=
high time that we gave up
the ancient Greek notion of astrology and get b=
ack to proper
astronomy.>This "Vedic astrology" has had such a deleterious=
affect on
the real Vedic culture that the words of the Gita are becoming =
most
meaningful these days:"adharmam dharmam it ya manyate tamsa
vritasar=
varthan vipareetanshchai, budhih saa partha tamasi"i.e."an
intellect that =
views adharma as dharma (and dharma as adharma)besides
viewing all the thi=
ngs upside down, is the real Tamasic intellect".I
find that almost every H=
indu is trying to defend "Vedic astrology" in
spite of the fact that it ha=
s been made clear to them by now that it
is because of that very fad that =
we are celebrating all our festivals
and muhurtas on worng days, but their=
arguments are really tamasic---
like "I do not know much about astronomy (=
and by implication it means
that he/she knows everything about astrology t=
hough!)" is the stock
reply of most of them. All the Hindus are now a days=
least bothered
about celebrating Pitra-Amavasya on the day of actual Dipa=
vali which
is on September 28, 2008, but they do not want to hear even a s=
ingle
word against "Vedic astrology"! They celebrated marriages in actual =
Pitrapaksha because "Vedic astrologes" had okayed those dates! What is

su=
rprising is that in spite of being well read, most of the Hindus
have lost=
all sense of basic Primary school level geography!They have
become oblivi=
ous of the fact that Uttarayana cannot take place on any
other day than th=
e shortest day of the year or Dakshinayana except on
the longest day of th=
e year! But they have put wool into their ears
for such phenomena since "V=
edic astrologers" want them to celebrate
Uttarayana on January 15 and Daks=
hinayana on July 15 and so on!In
short, most of the Hindu society appears =
to have become clones of Maya
the mlechha just because of their fatal infa=
tuation with "Vedic
astrology"! And that is the real Tamasic Vriti that I =
am talking
about!However, since, AS IS EVIDENT FROM YOUR POST, Hindus are =
basically the offspring of real Vamadevas instead of "imported

Vamadevas"=
, sooner than later the genome of Vedic seers will revolt
against this tyr=
anny of "Vedic astrologers" and thereby prevent the
Hindu culture from hav=
ing an akalamrityu, INSPITE OF "VEDIC
ASTROLOGERS"!With regards,Avtar--- I=
n HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com,
"Ravilochanan" <ravilochan_tn@> wrote:>> =
Dear Shri Avtar> > Pranaam! I
concur with your views. NOwhere is it said i=
n our epics or > Puranas
that the Kings or Princes consulted astrologers b=
efore > marriage.
Neither did Lord Ram consult an astrologer before taking=
> part in the
bow contest nor did Lord Krishna went in search of > astrol=
ogers
before departing to carry away Devi Rukmini. This > practice of
mat=
ching kundli has reached absurd proportions. Our > dharma speaks
about doi=
ng our duty without concern for the fruits. > Doing what is
right is the m=
ost important issue. Karma phal will > finally reach us.
One's karmaphal w=
ill not suddenly turn into good > all of a sudden
just because a kundli go=
t matched. It doesn't make > any sense. The
Gita does not speak about jyot=
ish phal. It only speaks > about karma
phal. My heart bleeds upon seeing s=
ome orthodox Hindus > who have
nearly mastered the aspect of Karma Yoga bu=
t still visit the >
astrologer with kundlis during marriage just because t=
heir parents >
had (wrongly) taught them so. They believe it to be an inte=
gral part >
of Vedic culture. It is high time that we gave up the ancient =
Greek >
notion of astrology and get back to proper astronomy.> > humbly>
=
Ravilochanan> > > --- In HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com, "Avtar Krishen
Kau=
l" > <jyotirved@> wrote:> >> > Shri Arul Thilak ji,> > Namaskar!> >
> > Yo=
u have said> > < As to how=C2 the last=C2 Hindu=C2 kingdom was lost in
the=
21st century,> > the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's recent
essay=C2 =
are > revealing.>> > > > It is immaterial as to who says what!
In a democr=
acy, everybody is> > "authorized" to say anything about
anybody or any eve=
nt, especially > if> > the person concerned is a
journalist! We have, howe=
ver, to > ascertain> > facts for ourselves by
sifting grain from the chaff=
and go by them!> > > > You have quoted me
as saying> > <Our erstwhile Hin=
du neighbouring country is a glaring >
> example of its "suicide" because =
of an extraordinary infatuation > >
for "Vedic astrology".> > > and there =
is enough of correspondence on
this topic in this forum!> > > > To summari=
ze the facts, one has just
to recall the tragic event of > the> > erstwhil=
e crown-prince shooting
dead his parents---the then king and> > queen---an=
d then himself, only
because his parents would not allow > him> > to marry=
his sweet heart!
And the parents did not allow that > marriage> > as the =
"Vedic
astrologers" there had said that the horoscope of the> > crown-prin=
ce
and his sweet heart did not match and it would bode ill> > for the
kin=
g and the queen if that marriage was allowed!> > And by now it is a
well e=
stablished fact that "Vedic astrologers" > only> > predict the
events upsi=
de down, if the data like the date and time > of> > birth
etc. of the "nat=
ive" are correct, since they can make correct> >
predictions only from inc=
orrect data! Thus instead of advising the> >
then king and queen to solemn=
ize the marriage of the crown prince >
with> > his sweet heart---she was a=
lso from a royal family of India---
-as> > otherwise he would go mad, they =
just advised to the contrary!
And > the> > results are there for everybody=
to see! It is worthwhile
to put on> > record here that if it had been the=
earlier monarch, who
was shot > dead> > by his own son, still ruling Nepa=
l, the things
would have been> > entirely different and would not have com=
e to such
a stage. > > > > Same was the case with BJP! If they had not adv=
ance
the last > General> > Election by several months, the chances were
t=
hat they would have> > gained a majority by planning their moves
properly =
and would still > be> > ruling today! But they believed more
in "Vedic ast=
rology" than their> > own drum-beating of "India
shining". Even on the day=
the results of> > the last election were
declared, all the channels and n=
ewspapers > were> > crying from
housetops that as per all the jyotishis, A=
B Vajpayee> > would be the
PM, irrespective of which party gained majorit=
y! > However,> > the
BJP's faith in "Vedic astrology" ruined everything fo=
r them and> >
poor A B Vajpayee, instead of being crowned the king again, =
has >
become> > completely bedridden, a sad fact that no astrologer had
f=
oreseen!> > > > You have also said> > < It (Nepal) faithfully follows
a Vi=
kram Samvat calendar based on > the> > most scientific Hindu
system of tim=
e and space.=C2 =C2 >> > > > On this topic also, there is a
lot of corresp=
ondence with> > IndiaArchaeology forum etc. that is
available in this foru=
m as > well. > > Again, instead of going by who
is saying what, pl. peruse=
that> > correspondence and then let me know
as to whether there is any> >=
"scientific basis" of 58 BC being called
as Vikrami era is! If at > all> =
> it has any scientific basis, it is
based on the passage of the VE > from=
> > one Greek constellation Aries
into another Greek constellation i.e.> >=
Pisces in around 66 BCE! And
nobody knows why and by whom and when > it> =
> was named "Vikrami
Era".> > > > I have also made it clear literally hund=
reds of times
that my > aversion> > towards "Vedic astrology" is because o=
f the fact
that it is > actually a> > fraud on the Vedas and also a drag o=
n Hindu
society, since it is > this> > very fad that is making us see adha=
rma
of celebrating all our> > festivals and muhurtas on wrong days as
dha=
rma! Same is the case > with> > the all out defense by some people
of the =
farce known as "Vedic> > astrology"---they are actually
defending adharma =
in the name of > dharma!> > Hope the situation is
clear now.> > Regards,> =
> AKK> > > > > > > > --- In
HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com, Arul T <arul_th=
ilak@> wrote:> > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > =C2 > > > 1.=C2 =C2 Sri Avtar-j=
i says as follows:> > > =C2
> > > QUOTE> > > Our erstwhile Hindu neighbour=
ing country is a glaring
> > > example of its "suicide" because of an extr=
aordinary infatuation
> > > for "Vedic astrology". So is the example of th=
e BJP which had >
> > an "akalamrityu" by advanding the last election by s=
everal months
> on > > > the advice of its "Minister of Astrology"!> > > U=
NQUOTE> >
> > > > =C2 > > > =C2 > > > As to how=C2 the last=C2 Hindu=C2 =
kingdom was lost
in the 21st century,> > the following excerpts of Tarun V=
ijay's recent
essay=C2 are > revealing.=C2 > > How, in particular, Hindu r=
eligious
discourse was impoverished and> > limited to ritualism: > > > =C2=
> >
>> > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-
3482408,pr=
tpage-> 1.cms > > > =C2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
THE RIGHT VIE=
W > > > > > > > > > > > > Learn Chinese to know
Kathmandu> > > 14 Sep 2008=
, 1640 hrs IST, Tarun Vijay > > > > > > =C2 >
> > QUOTE> > > ..... Younger=
Nepal turned the tide in favour of a
change with a> > balance. Kingdom's =
Hindu status was meaningless as it
failed to> > strengthen the democratic =
roots and provide food, water
and > education> > to the rural poor. Pro-Mo=
narchy people couldn't
establish their> > credibility - they thrived on an=
anti-India note
and kept religious> > affairs bound to the personal loyal=
ty to the
King which meant no> > spiritual insurgence could take shape and=
the
religious discourse> > remained limited to ritualism. No strong
nati=
onalist spiritual > fervour> > was allowed as King felt threatened
hence n=
o tears were seen at the> > demise of its Hindu nation status
and the abol=
ition of > monarchy. ....> > > =C2 > > > When the rulers
turn corrupt and =
abuse peoples' faith and trust,> > public unrest and
angst gets expressed =
in different ways. Nepal saw > it> > happen in
the form of a Maoism that p=
rided to declare it's all the> > sources of
inspiration and support to the=
neighbouring Communist> > China.
.......> > > =C2 > > > Prachanda took oa=
th as the first Prime Minister
of this tiny> > Himalayan federal republic,=
once the only Hindu State
on this > planet,> > in the name of the 'people=
of Nepal '. > > > > >
> Earlier all the PMs had sworn in, invoking God's =
name. He chose to>
> wear a western dress, three piece suite with a neckti=
e. Earlier> >
everyone had worn a Nepalese traditional dress called Daura =
Suruwal.>
> He also became the first PM not to visit Pashupati Nath, as ha=
s
been> > the tradition of all the Nepalese leaders and he chose to
visit=
> China> > first, again a new precedence, although our PM Dr
Manmohan Sin=
gh was> > the first head of the state to congratulate
Prachanda and invite=
him> > to visit India within half-an-hour of his
election to the post. > =
> > UNQUOTE> > > =C2 > > > =C2 > > > The Nepali
monarchy=C2 also had=C2 a =
Rajaguru :> > > =C2 > > > > > >
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/06/27/stori=
es/2002062703860100.htm> > >
Jun 27, 2002 > > > =C2 > > > Good news in 3 m=
onths: Kanchi Acharya > > >
By Our Special Correspondent > > > =C2 > > > =
> > > > > > NEW DELHI JUNE
26. The Kanchi Sankaracharya, Jayendra Saraswat=
i, > who> > met the
Prime Minister, Atal Behari Vajpayee, and the Vice-> P=
resident,> >
Krishan Kant, today asserted that he would continue with his>=
>
independent initiative to try and find a solution to the Ayodhya> >
pr=
oblem that would be agreeable to both the parties involved. He> >
expected=
"good news'' within two or three months. > > > =C2 > > >
During the day,=
the King of Nepal, Gyanendra, performed `pada > puja'>
> at the feet of A=
di Sankara at the Kamakshi temple, which is also
the> > place where the Ka=
nchi seer stays when he is here. The King was
with> > the Queen, Komal Raj=
yalaxmi, and their daughter, Prerna
Rajyalaxmi,> > and the `puja' was perf=
ormed in the presence of the
Sankaracharya > who> > is also the `rajguru' =
of Nepal. Earlier, he had
clarified that his> > current visit to the capit=
al was connected with
King Gyanendra's> > desire to meet him. > > > =C2 > =
> > =C2 > > > 2.=C2
Tarun Vijay's essay also mentions:> > > =C2 > > > QUO=
TE> > > It (Nepal)
faithfully follows a Vikram Samvat calendar based on > =
the> > most
scientific Hindu system of time and space.=C2 =C2 > > > UNQUOT=
E> > > > > >
=C2 > > > =C2 > > > --- On Thu, 25/9/08, Avtar Krishen Kaul <=
jyotirved@>
wrote:> > > > > > From: Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@>> > > S=
ubject:
[akandabaratam] Fwd: Re: "Vedic astrology" - the greatest> > fraud=
on
the Vedas! (reposted)> > > To: akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com> > >
Dat=
e: Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 12:39 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >=
> > > > --- In hinducivilization@ yahoogroups. com, "Avtar
Krishen Kaul" =
> > > <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Shri
Bhadraiah Mallampalliji,=
> > > Namaskar!> > > I would request you to
kindly go through your own pos=
t once again.> > > > > > Can you pick
even a single cogent reason from you=
r own points as > to > > > why we
should continue to follow the fraud know=
n as Vedic > astrology, > > >
which is neither scientific, nor logical, le=
ast of all Vedic, > > >
instead of celebrating our festivals and muhurtas =
on correct > days, >
> > as advised by our shastras, logic and science--si=
nce > > >
Uttarayana/Dakshina yana/Vasanta Sampat/Hemanta Sampat etc. are =
> all
> > > phenomena of seasons and therefore scientific! Similarly, all =
the > > > Vedas and Puranas have fixed certain days for rituals! E.g.,
> =
> > Nirjala Ekadashi is a sort of Tapasya only if we observe it in >
> > S=
ummer, when we feel most thirsty, whereas in Winter, it is >
hardly > > > =
worthwhile! And that is what we will be doing after a few
> centuries-> > =
> -celebrating that day in Winter--thanks to "Vedic
astrologers" > and > >=
> their "Vedic astrology"> > > > > >> >>--- End
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:
>
> Dear Lakshmi,
>
> The Yogananda I mentioned is different. Swami Yog=
ananda is one of
the sixteen monastic disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,=
along with
Swami Vivekananda. He was forced to marry, but never slept with=
his
own wife. Swami Vivekananda once said "if any of us (disciples of
Rama=
krishna) conquered lust completely and in all respects, it is
Joginder (Swa=
mi Yogananda)". There is no question of Swami Yogananda
being accused of dr=
inking and having women etc.
>
> Paramahamsa Yogananda is a sishya of Yuk=
teshwar Maharaj and from the
lineage of Mahavatar Babaji. They practice kri=
ya yoga. I do not know
much about him.
For what it is worth, you can rea=

d more about Paramahamsa Yogananda in
his free+online autobiography,
here h=
ttp://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi
There were interestin=

g links between Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and
Paramahamsa Yogananda:-
For exa=
mple, one of the top disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa was
Mahendranath =
Gupta (not sure if he was one of the 16 monastic
disciples that Narasimhaji=
refers to) aka Master Mahasaya, who wrote
"The Gospel of Ramakrishna"
(htt=
p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahendranath_Gupta), and was the
sanskrit tutor t=
o Paramahamsa Yogananda as well; the latter devoted an
entire chapter to hi=
m in his
book : http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi/Chap=
ter_9
Elsewhere in his autobiography Paramhamsa Yogananda also mentions an=
anecdote of a disciple to whom he gifted a silver cup, who as a young

man =
was told by Swami Vivekandana that the Guru in his life would
present him w=
ith a silver cup in the future.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography=
_of_a_Yogi/Chapter_47
Makes you wonder about the Divine connection between=

all these
supremely elevated souls!
Best.
> * * *=
>
> The link you gave is about neither Swami Yogananda nor Paramahamsa
Y=
ogananda, but some propaganda about Ramakrishna Paramahamsa himself,
based =
on some bali he apparently gave. So I am unsure exactly who you
wanted to t=
alk about..
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> -----------------------------=
-------------------------------------
> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://w=
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.Vedic=
Astrologer.org/tarpana
> Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-=
wisdom
> F=
ree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
> Sri Jagann=
> -------------------=
-----------------------------------------------
>
> ----- Original Mess=
age -----
> From: Lakshmi Kary
> =
> Subject: Re: Dharma
>
>
> =
Hare Rama Krishna
> Dear Narasimha,
> Ive read several apparently der=
ogatory things about Paramahamsa
Yogananda- that he ate meat, drank and had=
women at different times.
Some accounts seem very authoratative so I am in=
clined to believe
where there is smoke there is fire.
> How can we reconc=
il he is spiritually special when he was involved
in some many other worldl=
y things.?
>
http://ramakrishnayb.blogspot.com/2008/02/95-where-is-safety=
-for-fish-and-goats.html
> Best wishes
> Lakshmi
>
> "Narasimha P.V.=
R. Rao" <pvr@...> wrote:
> =EF=BB=BF
> Namaste,
>
> I meant i=
t figuratively.
>
> For the reference on Yogananda, you can read the s=
ection on
Swami Yogananda in "God Lived with Them: Life Stories of Sixteen
=
Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna" by Swami Chetanananda.
>
> * =
* *
>
> There have been many great yogis, babas, saints an=
d swamis in
the last few thousand years of Kali yuga. But Ramakrishna Param=
ahamsa
stands out in one way. He is one master who mastered every single
pa=
th. He mastered bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga, karma yoga and even raaja
yoga. H=
e worshipped and experienced Rama, Krishna, Kaali and several
forms. He eve=
n reached the state of nirvikalpa samadhi, where there is
no "experience". =
He was in sahaja samadhi always. He was able induce
tremendous experience i=
n people by mere touch or mere look. Yet he was
simple like a child and had=
zero ego (that is why he could do all
that!!!).
>
> Many "gurus" forc=
e their dharma on their sishyas and have no
ability to recognize the true n=
ature and dharma of each sishya. They
force sishyas to chant the mantra the=
y chant, worship the form they
worship and walk the path they walk. Ramakri=
shna had deep insight into
the true nature of each sishya and gave specific=
instructions. He
taught totally different mantras, totally different forms=
and totally
different paths to different sishyas. He even taught contradic=
tory
things to different sishyas. When one sishya who needed to mend his
ag=
gressive attitude roughed up somebody for insulting his guru, he
scolded "s=
hame on you. With your attitude, you did not defend your
guru, but brought =
shame to him. You should learn to be calm and ignore
such insults. THAT wil=
l place your guru in a good stead and not your
aggression". When another si=
shya who needed to mend his soft demeanor
ignored insults of Ramakrishna by=
some people and came away silently,
he scolded him "shame on you. Shastras=
say that you should kill one
who insults your guru. How can you ignore suc=
h wrong behavior? You
should give them a piece of your mind."
>
> Spir=
itual sadhana does not mean just chanting a mantra or
repeating a procedure=
everyday for a certain period of time. Spiritual
sadhana is a continuous p=
rocess by which one transforms oneself from
inside out and purifies oneself=
. That way, every action and every
thought becomes a sadhana and offers an =
opportunity for introspection
and transformation of internal attitude.
>
>=
Anyway, coming back to the point, Ramakrishna is not a normal
sadhaka =
or a normal guru. He belonged to a very special class of
sadhakas and he wa=
s an exceptional guru to an exceptional group of
sishyas.
>
> Without =
his [indirect] blessings, I would be a nobody and would
be lower than dirt.=
I would not be able to say anything intelligent or
meaningful in spiritual=
matters. Those who are impressed/inspired by
something I write should be t=
hankful to my guru Dr Manish Pandit and
to Sri Ramakrishna for showering th=
eir grace using me as an instrument
and not to me.
>
> BTW, you are al=
l free to forward my posts that you like to
people who may be interested in=
spiritual discussions. I have no
problem. As I said before, I am a servant=
distributing the wealth of a
king (Mother) as asked by the minister (my gu=
ru).
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> -------------------------=
-----------------------------------------
> Do a Short Homam Yourself: =
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http=
://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
> Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.=
> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.=
home.comcast.net
> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst=
rologer.org
th.org
> --------------------------------------------------------------=
----
>
> From: rajarshi nandy=

> Sent: Sunday, September=
28, 2008 2:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Dharma
>
> =
Dear Narasimhaji
>
> Another wonderly inspired post by =
you!!!!
>
> I did not understand one line of your post. You sa=
id
during the time of Mahabhrata there was tremendous weight on this
planet=
. I could not completely understand what you ment by this. Is it
a literal =
meaning of figuratative meaning?
>
> Also, could you tell me t=
he name of reference of the
book where Sri Ramakrishna says Yogananda was A=
rjuna.
>
> Thank you once again for your mails which are an
i=
nspiration to us all.
>
> -Regards
> Rajarshi
>
=
>
> "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet
>
>=
> --- On Sun, 28/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrote:

=
>
> Sub=
ject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Dharma
> To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroup=
s.com
> Date: =
Sunday, 28 September, 2008, 12:11 AM
>
>
> Namaste,
>
> =
As Vimalananda says, dharma is indeed personal.
Krishna clearly=
says in
> Bhagavad Geeta "Follow your own dharma. It is
dan=
gerous to follow someone
> else's dharma".
>
> =
Following the path of dharma basically means engaging
in the right
> =
action/duty. Right action varies from person to
person, from tim=
e to time
> and from place to place. It is dependent on what=
nature expects from you,

> which in turn is based on who yo=
u have been in the
past, what actions you
> did in the past =
while identifying with the action, who
you affected in the
> =
past (and how) with the actions that you identified
with, what debts you
=
> created in the process, and what mental tendencies you
accu=
mulated until
> now.
>
> If, based on one's m=
ental tendencies and karmic debts,
nature wants a person
> t=
o kill evil persons, that becomes one's dharma. If,
based on one's mental
=
> tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person to
sprea=
d the message of
> uniformity of all religions, that becomes=
one's
dharma. If, based on one's
> mental tendencies and ka=
rmic debts, nature wants a
person to spread the
> ritual of =
homam in the world, that becomes one's
> =
mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a
person to make a=
lot of
> money and construct a temple, that becomes one's d=
harma.
>
> * * *
>
> The dharma of a being ma=
y change from one life to another.
>
> At the time of Mahabh=
arata war, it was Arjuna's dharma
to kill his gurus,
> elder=
s and relatives. The time then was such that
there was too much weight
> =
on earth and nature wanted earth to be relieved of
some weight=
. Tremendous
> destruction was to take place and civilizatio=
n
destroyed to a great extent,
> to welcome Kali yuga and se=
t the tone for it. Arjuna
being a great warrior,
> it was hi=
s dharma to facilitate that. Some people he
deeply loved and
> =
respected were on the other side and it was his dharma
to kill them.
>
=
> When the same Arjuna was born again in the 19th
century as =
one of
> Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s sishyas (Swami Yogananda=
had been Arjuna in a

> previous life, according to Ramakris=
hna) , his dharma
was different in this
> new time and place=
. He was born to renounce material
life despite his
> aristo=
cratic upbringing and live the simple life of a
monk and inspire
> =
generations to embrace a simple life of mental
detachment and servic=
e to
> others. When he is born again (which he has to, as pe=
r
what Ramakrishna
> said), his dharma based on the time and=
place may be
something else.
>
> * * *
>
> T=
he tricky question is: How does one decide what is
one's dharma?
>
> =
Some people have interpreted Krishna's words saying
"follow your o=
wn dharma
> and not someone else's dharma" in the light of
c=
astism. Though the concept
> of caste (varna) has been there=
in Hinduism for a long
> caste mobilit=
y was very much there. Valmiki was a
shudra who lived by
> k=
illing birds. He became a brahmana and a maharshi
later. Vishwamitra was a =
> kshatrita and a powerful king. He became a brahmana

and an=
d a maharshi
> later. Basically varna shows one's aptitude. =
One
starts off with the varna
> of father, because that is w=
hat one is exposed to in
childhood. As one
> develops in lif=
e, one gets one's own varna based on
what one does.
>
> Thus=
, the misinterpretation of Krishna's words which
tells you to know your
> =
dharma from your caste is wrong. Moreover, there are
not just=
4 dharmas in
> the world. Each person has individual dharma=
.
>
> Knowing what one's dharma is is very very very
difficu=
lt. If one is pure
> enough, one will *know* one's dharma. I=
n fact, all of
us have a part of our
> mind that tells us wh=
at our dharma is, but it is
surrounded by a lot of
> noise f=
rom other parts of our minds which tell other
things. Thus, we get
> =
confused.
>
> We should make the best judgment comb=
ining
discrimination and intuition and
> decide what is our =
dharma and follow it sincerely. We
may be err, but doing
> t=
he best we can is all that we can do!
>
> More than followin=
g dharma, what is of utmost
importance is to engage in
> act=
ions without identification. *That* alone ensures
that we are not
> =
accumulating new karmas, i.e. not increasing the load.
We should no=
t build
> too much attachment to what we are doing. We shoul=
d
engage in the best
> possible actions (based on our best j=
udgment on what
our dharma in the given
> situation is), wit=
h as little attachment and
self-identification with the
> ac=
tion as possible. When the action is finished, we
should leave the result
=
> to god. We should not think "I did it", "what will
happen n=
ow", "will it
> work" etc. Such adherence of nishkama karma =
yoga
(unfication through
> untached action) will simplify ou=
r ego and purify our
consciousness slowly.
> As we become pu=
rer, our mind will work sharper and
tell our dharma clearer.
> =
There is a positive feedback here. This will slowly
enable us to see our=
> dharma clearly and follow it without incurring new

karmas=
. This is not easy,
=
>
> The bottomline is: Even if one is not following one's
dh=
arma, one's sense of
> "this is my dharma" gets refined with=
time if one
engages in action with
>
=
> * * *
>
> In deciding one's dharma, one's in=
tellect and
intuition are the inputs.
> Another external inp=
ut is the words of scriptures and
learned men. One can
> der=
ive one's dharma from them. A special place is
given to one's spiritual
> =
master. If one surrenders to a spiritual master, one
can take=
the words of
> the master to determine one's dharma and fol=
low it
sincerely.
>
> When Arjuna was confused about what hi=
s dharma was and
thought killing gurus
> and relatives was n=
ot dharma, he had a guru in Krishna
who clarified his
> dhar=
ma. When Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was
confused about his dharma
> =
and wanted to renounce the world and go to a secluded
place t=
o do sadhana,
> Ramakrishna Paramahamsa cried and prevailed =
upon him
to stay in the material
> world and do the work of =
Mother for him.
>
> One who is not in tune with nature and d=
oes not know
who one is, what one's
> debts are and what nat=
ure expects from one can err in
the judgment of what
> one's=
dharma is. If one's guru is an elevated soul
with a clear insight into
> =
>
>=
* * *
>
> Bottomline is that I (or anybody) c=
annot outline a set
of principles and
> declare that as the =
dharma. No, dharma changes from
person to person, from
> tim=
e to time and from place to place. Also, there are
no thumbrules to find
>=
out what one's dharma is. But, one can refine one's
understa=
nding of one's
> dharma by increasing internal purity. By do=
ing various
kinds of spiritual
> sadhana (like homam, japam =
etc) and engaging in
actions without much
> attachment, one =
can slowly purify oneself and refine
one's understanding of
> =
>
> Best regards,
> =
Narasimha
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rologer.org/ tarpana
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ps. yahoo.com/ group/vedic-
wisdom
3): http://vedicastro.
home.comcast. net
> Free Jyotish softw=
are (Windows): http://www.VedicAst
rologer.org
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h Centre (SJC) website:
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>
> =
> From: "dahiyajiten" <dahi=
yajiten@ yahoo.co. in>
> To: <vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com>=

> =
>
> > Namaste to all
> =
>
> > i just finished my Aghora series
> =
> > Vimalanda says path of dharma=
is very personal.
> > Can somebody share views on that and h=
ow can we approach
> > towards it
> > Does it h=
as to do something with vedas and upanishads
> >
> =
> regards
> > jitender
>
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Namaste,
Do you really think that these internet translations are accurate? Of course
not. These are unintelligent and dumb translations at best and ill-motivated
translations with a hideous agenda at worst. In either case, do bot rely on
them.
Let me reproduce the rik.
Rishi: Angirasa Virupa, Chhandas: Gayatri, Devata: Agni
ukShaannaaya vashaannaaya somapRîShThaaya vedhase | stomairvidhemaagnaye |

RV 8-43-11 |
The translation given by Swami Satya Prakash Saraswati in the version

published by Veda Pratishthana, New Delhi is: "Let us adore with hymns the
fire-divine, who is fed on agricultural products, dairy products, and who
bears the herbal plants on the back."
This is far more intelligent than what you quoted. However, I am still not
satisfied. Let me give my take on it. I just meditated on it for a few
minutes and this is what I make of it.
* * *
(uksha = supreme, large

anna = matter)
ukshaannaaya = to one who feeds the channel of domination, i.e. pingala nadi
(vasha = submissive, controlled, obedient
anna = matter)
vashaannaaya = to one who feeds the channel of submission, i.e. ida nadi
somapRîShThaaya = to one who carries the nectar of immortality in the
middle channel, i.e. sushumna nadi
vedhase = to the one who is virtuous and great
stomaih = by hymns
vidhema = may we worship/praise/honor/contemplate
agnaye = to fire.
MEANING: "May we contemplate on the fire god, who feeds the pingala nadi of
dominance and ida nadi of submission and virtuously carries the nectar of
immortality in the sushumna nadi."
PURPORT: "Fire is the transformative power. It is the basis of our

existence. It is what fuels (feeds) every part of our being. The fire that
burns in the sookshma sareera (subtle body) is called bhoota agni. This fire
feeds the pingala nadi (solar channel of the subtle body) and causes
analytical and logical abilities and aggressive instincts of domination and
control. The same bhoota agni also feeds the ida nadi (lunar channel of the
subtle body) and causes submission and calmness. In modern medical parlance,
we can say the same fire feeds and runs the sympathetic and parasympathetic
nervous systems and provokes the "push" and "pull" actions of the push-pull
nervous system. In addition, the same bhoota agni also drives the sushumna
nadi and makes the nectar of immortality (sat-chid-ananda) flow in that
channel. We should contemplate the various roles played by this subtle fire
in our subtle body in amazement."
If I spend more time, I may be able to do better justice. But this is what I
understand of this rik as of now.
* * *
Veda is about self-knowledge and nothing less. Most people cannot understand
even a single verse of Veda fully in an entire life. Ignore the people who
claim to be scholars in Veda and make claims on what Veda says and what Veda
does not say. Secondly, time has come to dump all the abusive and motivated
translations of Veda.
The only translation/commentary on Veda that pleased me until now is the one
by Sri Aurobindo. He is undoubtedly a reborn rishi. Such depth and clarity
of thinking is impossible otherwise.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 2:53 AM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Verse about cow sacrifice
> Dear Narasimhaji

>
> I came across a verse in the Rig Veda.
>
> "11 Let us serve Agni with our hymns, Disposer, fed on ox and cow,"
>
>
> http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv08043.htm
>
> Does that mean cow sacrifice was allowed in Vedic times?
>
> Kindly enlighten us on the meaning of this verse.
>
> -Regards
> Rajarshi
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Dear Lakshmi,
This is Kali yuga. While a really spiritual person must con=

tinuously try to destroy ego, so many spiritual gurus are there around us w=
ith bloated egos which are easily offended at a hint of criticism or overly=
excited at sycophancy. Such gurus are not of much use.
But how do separa=

te the grains from the chaff? It is not easy, especially when there are jus=
t a few grains in the middle of a big pile of chaff. Astrology is useful bu=
t not that much. Astrologer's mind, which makes the final judgments, works =
based on his/her prejudices and secret beliefs.
* * *
In =
the past, many great souls used intellectual discrimination and intuition t=
o judge one's guru for a long time before whole-heartedly embracing one's g=
uru. In many traditions within Hinduism, this is encouraged. You do not acc=
ept a guru in an impulse. You "test" your guru and take your time to accept=
him. But, once you accept a person as your guru, you follow him faithfully=
.
* * *
If you take Narendra (Swami Vivekananda), the cel=

ebrated disciple of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, he was a highly rational and s=
keptical young man. Though Ramakrishna had induced a samadhi in Narendra by=
mere touch in their second meeting itself, it was not enough to convince N=
arendra of Ramakrishna's ability and purity. He thought the whole experienc=
e could just have been a hallucination/hypnotism and did not jump to any co=
nclusion. As he visited Ramakrishna continuously, received love and knowled=
ge from him and saw that Ramakrishna indeed walked the walk (as opposed to =
just talking the talk), he was slowly convinced of the purity of Ramakrishn=
a. He then became a tireless soldier who dedicated his life to carrying out=
the mission of his guru!
During the early stages, he even told Ramakrish=

na bluntly about the latter's visions of Kali, Krishna, Rama etc, "Sir, the=
y could all just be your imaginations or hallucinations". Narendra did not =
even believe in god with a form and believed only in the formless. Ramakris=
hna was never offended at these comments.
Other sishyas like Joginder (Sw=

ami Yogananda) also approached Ramakrishna skeptically and tested him for a=
duration. These young men who surrounded Ramakrishna weren't blind men led=
by a blind man. They were all rishis or associates of rishis, who were reb=
orn together for a purpose.
They observed Ramakrishna for a while, confir=

med that he practiced what he preached and realized that there was a valuab=
le lesson in each action and word of his. They took a while to realize his =
purity and divinity, but once they realized they became faithful sishyas. H=
e accepted them, loved them and taught them even before they realized his t=
rue nature and accepted him fully as their guru. He knew they were skeptica=
l and testing him, but he was never offended (what good is a guru who canno=
t recognize a worthy student and what good is a guru whose ego is insulted =
at someone's skepticism). Once they accepted him and became faithful sishya=
s, each one of them was also transformed into a really pure person who take=
s the entire life as a sadhana and maintains purity in every thought and ac=
tion. Each sishya of a Ramakrishna was a role model in spiritual purity.
=
* * *
One whose rinas draw one towards a fake guru gets su=
ch a guru because that is what his karmas entitle him to. The circumstances=
we have to face are based on the previous actions. But the current action =
(freewill) is in our hands. If one can truly believe from the deepest cores=
of heart that one's guru is pure and like Shiva himself, follows guru blin=
dly and entertains no doubt whatsoever, that WILL pay off oneday. Nature WI=
LL bring light into that person's spiritual life. It is just a matter of ti=
me.
Thus, I will not be judgmental about other gurus and their sishyas. I=
f a sishya believes in his/her guru fully, so be it. It is not our business=
.
But, if one were to find a guru like Ramakrishna Paramahamsa or Ramana =

Maharshi or Sri Aurobindo or Srila Prabhupada, it is one's immense luck. Ho=
wever, the point I want to make is that having a great guru is not a guaran=
tee of success and also having a fake guru is not a guarantee of failure!
=
At the end of the day, the measure of success in any sadhana is the purity=
generated by that sadhana. The measure of the purity is the effacement of =
ego. If ego is reduced completely or eliminated, one is making progress. Th=
is can happen inspite of who is the guru, what one is doing etc.
When the=
full grace of the Supreme Being falls on a person, any medium is sufficien=
t to reflect that grace.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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From: Lakshmi Kary
Sent: Monday, Sep=
tember 29, 2008 2:06 AM
Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Yogananda (Re: Dharma=
)
Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Narasimha.
Sorry I got my people and linea=
ges all confused! Was reading about too many people lately.
Also last ni=

ght I saw a documentary on religious leaders, cults etc.
People want to=
see God so badly they are very eager to push anyone who is willing to clai=
m to be special up on a pedestal.That happened with my ex , he got up there=
,felt it wasn't right and tried to climb down, but his"disciples" didn't wa=
nt him to.
They continued to perpetuate falsehoods about his purity, and =
all sorts of cover ups.
God and Jesus are living in some many places. Som=
etimes there are several people simultaneously claiming to be Jesus in any =
psych unit across the world/
Its amazing where and to within whom people =
see "God".
Isnt a spiritual master, guru, living like a mortal in all cap=
acities while telling others how to find realization sort of hypocritical a=
nd bizarre?
There is one fellow who used to be a heroin addict and now h=

e says he is Jesus and has a huge following. they are willing to do whateve=
r he says and they give him money and all sorts of things.
Yesterday I we=
nt on the Internet, and looked at some many so called yogis, preachers etc
=
IN the USA I cant begin to tell you the number of religious leaders that =
were revered as "God" or some other incarnation.
India is no different, p=
erhaps worse because people have a natural respect for sadhus , yogis etc a=
nd more yogis can get away with pretending to be a renunciate.
I believe =
God appears in different forms in different places and times to attract peo=
ple who are looking for him and to associate with his devotees..
Now that=
Documentary TV program and your posts got my mind swimming.
What are pri=
nciples of religion? What is dharma, What is the purpose?
Now if there we=
re no laws or rules, social or religious and everyone did what they felt li=
ke, we would be living in a hell. At least in Kali Yuga.
What was the poi=
nt of Jesus? Seems he got a lot of uncivilized people to work on basic code=
s of conduct... thou shalt not steal,lie, commit adultery etc.
Whose to s=
ay one person is a saint?.. some people(his faithful followers) couldn't un=
derstand that Charles Manson was a mad man not a prophet.
There are other=
"yogis" who came to USA, smoking pot, taking drugs,
and other ones advis=
ed having sex to find self realization and acquiring tons of cars and
he=
lping many people trade STDs.
Some people ADVOCate mandatory forced marr=
iage of young girls AT puberty, usually to older men.. and its ok for their=
fathers to teach them a thing or two, before being handed off.
One "sain=
t" makes gold, but other people say he molested their young teenage sons..
=
In itself, being able to perform siddhis or mystic things doesn't make on=
e elevated really. Maybe they have just accumulated the power to manipulat=
e physical matter.
Unless a person is pure- it is hard to see who else is=
pure.
=
People have given up everything they owned and moved into under ground t=
unnels because their leader( an incarnation of this or that) said the world=
was ending.
Or, time and time again, some swami turns out to molest kids=
, and or do all sorts of things when no one is looking..
"The Do as I say=
, don't do as I do"...
"He is so pure he doesn't have to obey the rules=
like everyone else."
I think someone who is =
100% serving their GOD day and night, at all times and practicing what they=
preach has got to be pure....
Self realization after much thought and ye=
ars meditating/chanting is simple i found... its the realization ,the compl=
ete understanding of our relationship to God and to everything and everyone=
else in our conscious and unconscious universe.
But then by the time I d=
ie , I'm sure I'll have even more realizations.
There was a big article i=
n TIME magazine with some personal letter of Mother Theresa that she didnt =
want shown publically that showed her apparently having doubts(privately in=
her heart) I guess as a way to try and discredit her.
Was she a saint, c=
oming to India and pushing her views on the poor?People go in circles debat=
ing her worth .
And I guess these are the things I'm here for in this lif=
e, which is different than other peoples path.
I keep hoping astrology ca=
n "reveal" the real saint the real sadhus..etc
Suffering helps one think =
about these things.
Best wishes
Lakshmi
"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pv=

r@...> wrote:
Dear Lakshmi,
The Yogananda I mentioned is d=

ifferent. Swami Yogananda is one of the sixteen monastic disciples of Ramak=
rishna Paramahamsa, along with Swami Vivekananda. He was forced to marry, b=
ut never slept with his own wife. Swami Vivekananda once said "if any of us=
(disciples of Ramakrishna) conquered lust completely and in all respects, =
it is Joginder (Swami Yogananda)". There is no question of Swami Yogananda =
being accused of drinking and having women etc.
Paramahamsa Yogananda =
is a sishya of Yukteshwar Maharaj and from the lineage of Mahavatar Babaji.=
They practice kriya yoga. I do not know much about him.
* * =
*
The link you gave is about neither Swami Yogananda nor Parama=
hamsa Yogananda, but some propaganda about Ramakrishna Paramahamsa himself,=
based on some bali he apparently gave. So I am unsure exactly who you want=
ed to talk about..
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: ht=
tp://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
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From: Lakshmi Kary
To: vedi=
c-wisdom@yahoogroups.com
=
Subject: Re: Dharma
Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Narasimha,
=
Ive read several apparently derogatory things about Paramahamsa Yoganand=
a- that he ate meat, drank and had women at different times. Some accounts =
seem very authoratative so I am inclined to believe where there is smoke th=
ere is fire.
How can we reconcil he is spiritually special when he wa=
s involved in some many other worldly things.?
http://ramakrishnayb.b=
logspot.com/2008/02/95-where-is-safety-for-fish-and-goats.html
Best w=
ishes
Lakshmi

=
=EF=BB=BF
Namaste,
=
For the reference on Yogananda, you can read the section on Swami Yogan=
anda in "God Lived with Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of=
Sri Ramakrishna" by Swami Chetanananda.
* * *
=
There have been many great yogis, babas, saints and swamis in the last =
few thousand years of Kali yuga. But Ramakrishna Paramahamsa stands out in =
one way. He is one master who mastered every single path. He mastered bhakt=
i yoga, jnaana yoga, karma yoga and even raaja yoga. He worshipped and expe=
rienced Rama, Krishna, Kaali and several forms. He even reached the state o=
f nirvikalpa samadhi, where there is no "experience". He was in sahaja sama=
dhi always. He was able induce tremendous experience in people by mere touc=
h or mere look. Yet he was simple like a child and had zero ego (that is wh=
y he could do all that!!!).
Many "gurus" force their dharma on the=

ir sishyas and have no ability to recognize the true nature and dharma of e=
ach sishya. They force sishyas to chant the mantra they chant, worship the =
form they worship and walk the path they walk. Ramakrishna had deep insight=
into the true nature of each sishya and gave specific instructions. He tau=
ght totally different mantras, totally different forms and totally differen=
t paths to different sishyas. He even taught contradictory things to differ=
ent sishyas. When one sishya who needed to mend his aggressive attitude rou=
ghed up somebody for insulting his guru, he scolded "shame on you. With you=
r attitude, you did not defend your guru, but brought shame to him. You sho=
uld learn to be calm and ignore such insults. THAT will place your guru in =
a good stead and not your aggression". When another sishya who needed to me=
nd his soft demeanor ignored insults of Ramakrishna by some people and came=
away silently, he scolded him "shame on you. Shastras say that you should =
kill one who insults your guru. How can you ignore such wrong behavior? You=
should give them a piece of your mind."
Spiritual sadhana does no=

t mean just chanting a mantra or repeating a procedure everyday for a certa=
in period of time. Spiritual sadhana is a continuous process by which one t=
ransforms oneself from inside out and purifies oneself. That way, every act=
ion and every thought becomes a sadhana and offers an opportunity for intro=
spection and transformation of internal attitude.
Anyway, coming b=
ack to the point, Ramakrishna is not a normal sadhaka or a normal guru. He =
belonged to a very special class of sadhakas and he was an exceptional guru=
to an exceptional group of sishyas.
Without his [indirect] blessi=

ngs, I would be a nobody and would be lower than dirt. I would not be able =
to say anything intelligent or meaningful in spiritual matters. Those who a=
re impressed/inspired by something I write should be thankful to my guru Dr=
Manish Pandit and to Sri Ramakrishna for showering their grace using me as=
an instrument and not to me.
BTW, you are all free to forward my =

posts that you like to people who may be interested in spiritual discussion=
s. I have no problem. As I said before, I am a servant distributing the wea=
lth of a king (Mother) as asked by the minister (my guru).
Best re=
gards,
Narasimha
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From: rajarshi nandy =
Sent: Sunday, Septem=
ber 28, 2008 2:44 PM
=
Dear Narasimhaji
Another wonderly inspired pos=

t by you!!!!
I did not understand one line of your post. Y=

ou said during the time of Mahabhrata there was tremendous weight on this p=
lanet. I could not completely understand what you ment by this. Is it a lit=
eral meaning of figuratative meaning?
Also, could you tell=

me the name of reference of the book where Sri Ramakrishna says Yogananda =
was Arjuna.
Thank you once again for your mails which are=

an inspiration to us all.
-Regards
Rajar=
shi
"This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet=
--- On Sun, 28/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter.n=

et> wrote:

=
To: =
Cc: sivacharya@yahoogroups.c=
om
=
Namaste,
As Vimalananda says, dharma is indeed =

personal. Krishna clearly says in
Bhagavad Geeta "Follow=
your own dharma. It is dangerous to follow someone
else=
's dharma".
Following the path of dharma basically means=

engaging in the right
action/duty. Right action varies =
from person to person, from time to time
and from place =
to place. It is dependent on what nature expects from you,
=
which in turn is based on who you have been in the past, what actions yo=
u
did in the past while identifying with the action, who=
you affected in the
past (and how) with the actions tha=
t you identified with, what debts you
created in the pro=
cess, and what mental tendencies you accumulated until
n=
ow.
If, based on one's mental tendencies and karmic debt=

s, nature wants a person
to kill evil persons, that beco=
mes one's dharma. If, based on one's mental
tendencies a=
nd karmic debts, nature wants a person to spread the message of
=
uniformity of all religions, that becomes one's dharma. If, based o=
n one's
mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants=
a person to spread the
ritual of homam in the world, th=
at becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's
mental tende=
ncies and karmic debts, nature wants a person to make a lot of
=
=
* * *
The dharma of a being may change from one =

life to another.
At the time of Mahabharata war, it was =

Arjuna's dharma to kill his gurus,
elders and relatives.=
The time then was such that there was too much weight
o=
n earth and nature wanted earth to be relieved of some weight. Tremendous
=
destruction was to take place and civilization destroyed =
to a great extent,
to welcome Kali yuga and set the tone=
for it. Arjuna being a great warrior,
it was his dharma=
to facilitate that. Some people he deeply loved and
res=
pected were on the other side and it was his dharma to kill them.
=
When the same Arjuna was born again in the 19th century as one of=
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s sishyas (Swami Yogananda had=

been Arjuna in a
previous life, according to Ramakrishn=
a) , his dharma was different in this
new time and place=
. He was born to renounce material life despite his
aris=
tocratic upbringing and live the simple life of a monk and inspire
=
generations to embrace a simple life of mental detachment and se=
rvice to
others. When he is born again (which he has to,=
as per what Ramakrishna
said), his dharma based on the =
time and place may be something else.
* * *
=
=
Some people have interpreted Krishna's words saying "follo=
w your own dharma
and not someone else's dharma" in the =
light of castism. Though the concept
of caste (varna) ha=
s been there in Hinduism for a long time, the concept of
=
=
killing birds. He became a brahmana and a maharshi later. Vi=
shwamitra was a
kshatrita and a powerful king. He became=
a brahmana and and a maharshi
later. Basically varna sh=
ows one's aptitude. One starts off with the varna
of fat=
her, because that is what one is exposed to in childhood. As one
=
develops in life, one gets one's own varna based on what one does.=
Thus, the misinterpretation of Krishna's words which te=

lls you to know your
dharma from your caste is wrong. Mo=
reover, there are not just 4 dharmas in
the world. Each =
person has individual dharma.
Knowing what one's dharma =

is is very very very difficult. If one is pure
enough, o=
ne will *know* one's dharma. In fact, all of us have a part of our
=
mind that tells us what our dharma is, but it is surrounded by a=
lot of
noise from other parts of our minds which tell o=
ther things. Thus, we get
confused.
W=
e should make the best judgment combining discrimination and intuition and =
decide what is our dharma and follow it sincerely. We ma=

y be err, but doing
the best we can is all that we can d=
o!
More than following dharma, what is of utmost importa=

nce is to engage in
actions without identification. *Tha=
t* alone ensures that we are not
accumulating new karmas=
, i.e. not increasing the load. We should not build
too =
much attachment to what we are doing. We should engage in the best
=
possible actions (based on our best judgment on what our dharma =
in the given
situation is), with as little attachment an=
d self-identification with the
action as possible. When =
the action is finished, we should leave the result
to go=
d. We should not think "I did it", "what will happen now", "will it
=
work" etc. Such adherence of nishkama karma yoga (unfication th=
rough
untached action) will simplify our ego and purify =
our consciousness slowly.
As we become purer, our mind w=
ill work sharper and tell our dharma clearer.
There is a=
positive feedback here. This will slowly enable us to see our
=
dharma clearly and follow it without incurring new karmas. This is n=
ot easy,
=
The bottomline is: Even if one is not following one's dharma, one=
's sense of
"this is my dharma" gets refined with time i=
f one engages in action with
little attachment.
=
* * *
In deciding one's dharma, one's intelle=

ct and intuition are the inputs.
Another external input =
is the words of scriptures and learned men. One can
deri=
ve one's dharma from them. A special place is given to one's spiritual
=
master. If one surrenders to a spiritual master, one can tak=
e the words of
the master to determine one's dharma and =
follow it sincerely.
When Arjuna was confused about what=

his dharma was and thought killing gurus
and relatives =
was not dharma, he had a guru in Krishna who clarified his
=
dharma. When Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was confused about his dha=
rma
and wanted to renounce the world and go to a seclude=
d place to do sadhana,
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa cried and=
prevailed upon him to stay in the material
world and do=
the work of Mother for him.
One who is not in tune with=

nature and does not know who one is, what one's
debts a=
re and what nature expects from one can err in the judgment of what
=
one's dharma is. If one's guru is an elevated soul with a clear=
insight into
one's inner core, such a guru can give per=
fect guidance.
* * *
Bottomline is th=
at I (or anybody) cannot outline a set of principles and
=
declare that as the dharma. No, dharma changes from person to person, from=
time to time and from place to place. Also, there are n=

o thumbrules to find
out what one's dharma is. But, one =
can refine one's understanding of one's
dharma by increa=
sing internal purity. By doing various kinds of spiritual
=
=
attachment, one can slowly purify oneself and refine one's u=
nderstanding of
=
Best regards,
Narasimha
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From: "dahiyajiten" <dahiyajiten@ yahoo.co. in>=

S=
ent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 8:02 AM
Subject: [vedic=
-wisdom] Dharma
> Namaste to all

>
=
> and i=
n it in last part
> Vimalanda says path of dharma is very=
personal.
> Can somebody share views on that and how can=
we approach
> towards it
> Does it has=
to do something with vedas and upanishads
>
=
> regards
> jitender
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ize=3D2>This is Kali yuga. While a really spiritual
person must conti=
nuously try to destroy ego, so many spiritual gurus are there
around us wi=
th bloated egos which are easily offended at a hint of criticism or
overly=
excited at sycophancy. Such gurus are not of much use.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
=3D2>But how do separate the grains from the chaff? It
is not easy, especi=
ally when there are just a few grains in the middle of a big
pile of chaff=
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makes th=
e final judgments, works based on his/her prejudices and secret
beliefs.</=
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* =
*</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In the past,=
many great souls used intellectual
discrimination and intuition to judge =
one's guru for a long time before
whole-heartedly embracing one's guru. In=
many traditions within Hinduism, this
is encouraged. You do not accept a =
guru in an impulse. You "test" your guru and
take your time to accept him.=
But, once you accept a person as your guru, you
follow him faithfully.</F=
ONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
* &=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you take N=
arendra (Swami Vivekananda), the
celebrated disciple of Ramakrishna Parama=
hamsa, he was a highly rational and
skeptical young man. Though Ramakrishn=
a had induced a samadhi in Narendra by
mere touch in their second meeting =
itself, it was not enough to convince
Narendra of Ramakrishna's ability an=
d purity. He thought the whole experience
could just have been a hallucina=
tion/hypnotism and did not jump to any
conclusion. As he visited Ramakrish=
na continuously, received love and knowledge
from him and saw that Ramakri=
shna indeed walked the walk (as opposed to just
talking the talk), he was =
slowly convinced of the purity of Ramakrishna. He then
became a tireless s=
oldier who dedicated his life to carrying out the mission of
his guru!</FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT f=
ace=3DArial size=3D2>During the early stages, he even told Ramakrishna
blu=
ntly about the latter's visions of Kali, Krishna, Rama etc, "Sir, they coul=
d
all just be your imaginations or hallucinations". Narendra did not even =
believe
in god with a form and believed only in the formless. Ramakrishna =
was never
offended at these comments.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Other sishya=
s like Joginder (Swami Yogananda) also
approached Ramakrishna skeptically =
and tested him for a duration. These young
men who surrounded Ramakrishna =
weren't blind men led by a blind man. They were
all rishis or associates o=
f rishis, who were reborn together for a
purpose.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
They observed Ramakrishna for a while, confirmed
that he practiced what he=
preached and realized that there was a valuable lesson
in each action and=
word of his. They took a while to realize his purity and
divinity, b=
ut once they realized they became faithful sishyas. He accepted them,
love=
d them and taught them even before they realized his true nature and
accep=
ted him fully as their guru. He knew they were skeptical and testing him,
=
but he was never offended (what good is a guru who cannot recognize a worth=
y
student and what good is a guru whose ego is insulted at someone's skept=
icism).
Once they accepted him and became faithful sishyas, each one of th=
em was also
transformed into a really pure person who takes the entire lif=
e as a sadhana and
maintains purity in every thought and action. Each sish=
ya of a Ramakrishna was a
role model in spiritual purity.</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
ize=3D2>
<DIV>*
* &nb=
sp; *</DIV>
<DIV> </FONT></DIV></DIV>
<D=
IV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One whose rinas draw one towards a fake guru=
gets
such a guru because that is what his karmas entitle him to. The circ=
umstances we
have to face are based on the previous actions. But the curre=
nt action
(freewill) is in our hands. If one can truly believe from the de=
epest cores of
heart that one's guru is pure and like Shiva himself, follo=
ws guru blindly and
entertains no doubt whatsoever, that WILL pay off oned=
ay. Nature WILL bring
light into that person's spiritual life. It is just =
a matter of
time.</FONT></DIV>
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thus, I will not be judgmental a=
bout other gurus
and their sishyas. If a sishya believes in his/her guru f=
ully, so be it. It is
not our business.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But, if on=
e were to find a guru like Ramakrishna
Paramahamsa or Ramana Maharshi or S=
ri Aurobindo or Srila Prabhupada, it is one's
immense luck. However, the p=
oint I want to make is that having a great guru is
not a guarantee of succ=
ess and also having a fake guru is not a guarantee of
failure!</FONT></DIV=
>
ial size=3D2>At the end of the day, the measure of success in
any sadhana =
is the purity generated by that sadhana. The measure of the purity
is the =
effacement of ego. If ego is reduced completely or eliminated, one is
maki=
ng progress. This can happen inspite of who is the guru, what one is doing =
etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When the full grace of the Supreme Being fall=
s on a
person, any medium is sufficient to reflect that grace.</FONT></DIV=
>
ial size=3D2>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>-------------------------------=
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<A title=
=3Dlakshmikary@... href=3D"mailto:lakshmikary@...">Lakshmi
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ary</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dvedi=
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dic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com</A>
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<B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 29, 2008 2:06
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FO=
NT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [vedic-wisdom] Yogananda
(Re: Dharma=
)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Dear Narasi=
mha.</DIV>
<DIV>Sorry I got my people and lineages all confused! Was read=
ing about too
many people lately.</DIV>
=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Also last night I saw a documen=
tary on religious leaders,
cults etc.</DIV>
<DIV>People want to see Go=
d so badly they are very eager to push anyone who is
willing to claim to=
be special up on a pedestal.That happened with my ex , he
got up there,=
felt it wasn't right and tried to climb down, but his"disciples"
didn't =
want him to.</DIV>
<DIV>They continued to perpetuate falsehoods about his=
purity, and all sorts
of cover ups.</DIV>
<DIV>God and Jesus are livi=
ng in some many places. Sometimes there are several
people simultaneousl=
y claiming to be Jesus in any psych unit across the
world/</DIV>
<DIV>=
Its amazing where and to within whom people see "God".</DIV>
<DIV>Isnt a =
spiritual master, guru, living like a mortal in all capacities
while tel=
ling others how to find realization sort of hypocritical and
bizarre?</D=
IV>
<DIV>There is =
one fellow who used to be a heroin addict and now he says he is
Jesus an=
d has a huge following. they are willing to do whatever he says and
they=
give him money and all sorts of things.</DIV>
<DIV>Yesterday I went on t=
he Internet, and looked at some many so called
yogis, preachers etc</DIV=
>
<DIV>IN the USA I cant begin to tell you the number of religious leader=
s that
were revered as "God" or some other incarnation.</DIV>
<DIV>Ind=
ia is no different, perhaps worse because people have a natural
respect =
for sadhus , yogis etc and more yogis can get away with pretending to
be=
a renunciate.</DIV>
<DIV>I believe God appears in different forms in dif=
ferent places and times to
attract people who are looking for him and to=
associate with his
devotees..</DIV>
<DIV>Now that Documentary TV prog=
ram and your posts got my mind
swimming.</DIV>
<DIV>What are principles =
of religion? What is dharma, What is the
purpose?</DIV>
<DIV>Now if th=
ere were no laws or rules, social or religious and everyone did
what the=
y felt like, we would be living in a hell. At least in Kali
Yuga.</DIV>
=
<DIV>What was the point of Jesus? Seems he got a lot of uncivilized people =
to
work on basic codes of conduct... thou shalt not steal,lie, commit ad=
ultery
etc.</DIV>
<DIV>Whose to say one person is a saint?.. some peop=
le(his faithful
followers) couldn't understand that Charles Manson =
was a mad man not a
prophet.</DIV>
<DIV>There are other "yogis" who ca=
me to USA, smoking pot, taking drugs,</DIV>
<DIV>and other ones advised h=
aving sex to find self realization and acquiring
tons of cars and </DIV>=
<DIV>helping many people trade STDs.</DIV>

<DIV>Some people ADVOCate m=
andatory forced marriage of young girls AT
puberty, usually to old=
er men.. and its ok for their fathers to teach them a
thing or two, befo=
re being handed off.</DIV>
<DIV>One "saint" makes gold, but other people =
say he molested their young
teenage sons..</DIV>
<DIV>In itself, being=
able to perform siddhis or mystic things doesn't make
one elevated =
; really. Maybe they have just accumulated the power to
manipulate physi=
cal matter.</DIV>
<DIV>Unless a person is pure- it is hard to see who els=
e is pure.</DIV>
<DIV>And even then, well intentioned people are dec=
eived all the
time.</DIV>
p;</DIV>
<DIV>People have given up everything they owned and moved into u=
nder ground
tunnels because their leader( an incarnation of this or that=
) said the world
was ending.</DIV>
<DIV>Or, time and time again, some =
swami turns out to molest kids, and or do
all sorts of things when no on=
e is looking..</DIV>
<DIV>"The Do as I say , don't do as I do"...</=
DIV>
<DIV>"He is so pure he doesn't have to obey the rules like everyone =
else."</DIV>
<DIV>Whose to say who is pure?</DIV>
<DIV>I think someo=
ne who is 100% serving their GOD day and night, at all times
and practic=
ing what they preach has got to be pure....</DIV>
<DIV>Self realization a=
fter much thought and years meditating/chanting is
simple i found... its=
the realization ,the complete understanding of our
relationship to=
God and to everything and everyone else in our conscious
and unconsciou=
s universe.</DIV>
<DIV>But then by the time I die , I'm sure I'll have ev=
en more
realizations.</DIV>
<DIV>There was a big article in TIME magaz=
ine with some personal letter of
Mother Theresa that she didnt want show=
n publically that showed her apparently
having doubts(privately in her h=
eart) I guess as a way to try and discredit
her.</DIV>
<DIV>Was she a =
saint, coming to India and pushing her views on the poor?People
go in ci=
rcles debating her worth .</DIV>
<DIV>And I guess these are the things I'=
m here for in this life, which is
different than other peoples path.</DI=
V>
<DIV>I keep hoping astrology can "reveal" the real saint the real
s=
adhus..etc</DIV>
<DIV>Suffering helps one think about these things.</DIV>=
<DIV>Lakshmi</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><=
BR><BR><B><I>"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...></I></B>
wrot=
e:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dreplbq
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN=
-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">
<=
DIV>
<D=
ial size=3D2>The Yogananda I mentioned is different. Swami
Yogananda i=
s one of the sixteen monastic disciples of Ramakrishna
Paramahamsa, al=
ong with Swami Vivekananda. He was forced to marry, but never
slept wi=
th his own wife. Swami Vivekananda once said "if any of us
(disci=
ples of Ramakrishna) conquered lust completely and in all respects, it
=
is Joginder (Swami Yogananda)". There is no question of Swami Yogananda
=
being accused of drinking and having women etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><F=
ize=3D2>Paramahamsa Yogananda is a sishya of Yukteshwar
Maharaj and fr=
om the lineage of Mahavatar Babaji. They practice kriya yoga.
I do not=
know much about him.</FONT></DIV>
ONT> </DIV>
size=3D2>* &nb=
sp;
* =
; *</FONT></DIV>
bsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The link you gave is about =
neither Swami
Yogananda nor Paramahamsa Yogananda, but some propaganda=
about Ramakrishna
Paramahamsa himself, based on some bali he apparent=
ly gave. So I am unsure
exactly who you wanted to talk about..</FONT><=
/DIV>
<DIV>Bes=
t
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------<WBR>---------<WBR>---------<WB=
R>---------<WBR>---------<WBR>---------<WBR>---------<BR>Do
a Short Ho=
mam Yourself: <A
href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/homam">http://=
www.VedicAst<WBR>rologer.org/<WBR>homam</A><BR>Do
elf: <A
href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/tarpana">http://www.Ved=
icAst<WBR>rologer.org/<WBR>tarpana</A><BR>Spirituality:
<A
href=
=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom">http://groups.<WBR>yahoo.co=
m/<WBR>group/vedic-<WBR>wisdom</A><BR>Free
=
href=3D"http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net/">http://vedicastro.<WBR>hom=
e.comcast.<WBR>net</A><BR>Free
hre=
f=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/">http://www.VedicAst<WBR>rologer.org</=
A><BR>Sri
href=3D"http://www.s=
rijagannath.org/">http://www.SriJagan<WBR>nath.org</A><BR>------------<WBR>=
---------<WBR>---------<WBR>---------<WBR>---------<WBR>---------<WBR>-----=
----
<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px soli=
d">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DI=
V>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> =
<A
title=3Dlakshmikary@... href=3D"mailto:lakshmikary@...=
m">Lakshmi
Kary</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>=
To:</B> <A
href=3D"mailt=
o:vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, Se=
ptember 28, 2008 7:59
PM</DIV>
><B>Subject:</B> Re: Dharma</DIV>
FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT
face=3DArial size=3D2>=
</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D=
2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial
size=
<DIV>Dear N=
arasimha,</DIV>
<DIV>Ive read several apparently derogatory things ab=
out Paramahamsa
Yogananda- that he ate meat, drank and had women at =
different times. Some
accounts seem very authoratative so I am incli=
ned to believe where there
is smoke there is fire.</DIV>
<DIV>=
How can we reconcil he is spiritually special when he was
invol=
ved in some many other worldly things.?</DIV>
<DIV><A
href=3D"=
http://ramakrishnayb.blogspot.com/2008/02/95-where-is-safety-for-fish-and-g=
oats.html">http://ramakrishnay<WBR>b.blogspot.<WBR>com/2008/<WBR>02/95-wher=
e-<WBR>is-safety-<WBR>for-fish-<WBR>and-goats.<WBR>html</A></DIV>
<DI=
V>Best wishes</DIV>
<DIV>Lakshmi<BR><BR><B><I>"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" =
<pvr@charter.<WBR>net></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE =
class=3Dreplbq style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">
<DIV id=3D=
ygrp-text>
<DIV>=EF=BB=BF
>Namaste,</FONT></DIV>
p;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I meant it figuratively.<=
/FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For the reference on Yogananda, you=
can
read the section on Swami Yogananda in "God Lived with Them: =
Life
Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna" by =
Swami
Chetanananda.</FONT></DIV>
;
* &nb=
sp; *</FONT></DIV>
ONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There have been m=
any great yogis, babas,
saints and swamis in the last few thousand=
years of Kali yuga. But
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa stands out in one=
way. He is one master who
mastered every single path. He mastered=
bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga, karma
yoga and even raaja yoga. He wors=
hipped and experienced Rama, Krishna,
Kaali and several forms. He =
even reached the state of nirvikalpa
samadhi, where there is no "e=
xperience"<WBR>. He was in sahaja samadhi
always. He was able indu=
ce tremendous experience in people by mere touch
or mere look. Yet=
he was simple like a child and had zero ego (that is
why he could=
do all that!!!).</FONT></DIV>
ONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Many "gurus" forc=
e their dharma on their
sishyas and have no ability to recognize t=
he true nature and dharma of
each sishya. They force sishyas to ch=
ant the mantra they chant, worship
the form they worship and walk =
the path they walk. Ramakrishna had deep
insight into the true nat=
ure of each sishya and gave specific
instructions. He taught total=
ly different mantras, totally different
forms and totally differen=
t paths to different sishyas. He even taught
contradictory things =
to different sishyas. When one sishya who needed to
mend his aggre=
ssive attitude roughed up somebody for insulting his guru,
he scol=
ded "shame on you. With your attitude, you did not defend your
gur=
u, but brought shame to him. You should learn to be calm and ignore
=
such insults. THAT will place your guru in a good stead and not your
=
aggression". When another sishya who needed to mend his soft demeanor =
ignored insults of Ramakrishna by some people and came away silent=

ly, he
scolded him "shame on you. Shastras say that you should kil=
l one who
insults your guru. How can you ignore such wrong behavio=
r? You should
give them a piece of your mind."</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT f=
ace=3DArial size=3D2>Spiritual sadhana does not mean just
chanting=
a mantra or repeating a procedure everyday for a certain
per=
iod of time. Spiritual sadhana is a continuous process by which one
=
transforms oneself from inside out and purifies oneself. That way, every =
action and every thought becomes a sadhana and offers an

=
opportunity for introspection and transformation of internal
=
attitude.</FONT></DIV>
> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway, coming back =
to the point,
Ramakrishna is not a normal sadhaka or a normal guru=
. He belonged to a
very special class of sadhakas and he was an ex=
ceptional guru to an
exceptional group of sishyas.</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FO=
NT face=3DArial size=3D2>Without his [indirect] blessings, I would
=
be a nobody and would be lower than dirt. I would not be able to say
=
anything intelligent or meaningful in spiritual matters. Those who are =
impressed/inspired by something I write should be thankful to my g=

uru Dr
Manish Pandit and to Sri Ramakrishna for showering their gr=
ace using me
as an instrument and not to me.</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT fac=
e=3DArial size=3D2>BTW, you are all free to forward my posts
that =
you like to people who may be interested in spiritual discussions.
=
I have no problem. As I said before, I am a servant distributing the
=
wealth of a king (Mother) as asked by the minister (my
guru).<=
/FONT></DIV>
=
regards,<BR>Narasimha=
<BR>------------<WBR>---------<WBR>---------<WBR>---------<WBR>---------<WB=
R>---------<WBR>---------<BR>Do
=
href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/homam">http://www.VedicAst<WBR>rol=
oger.org/<WBR>homam</A><BR>Do
=
href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/tarpana">http://www.VedicAst<WBR>ro=
loger.org/<WBR>tarpana</A><BR>Spirituality:
<A
href=3D"ht=
tp://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom">http://groups.<WBR>yahoo.com/<WBR=
>group/vedic-<WBR>wisdom</A><BR>Free
=
href=3D"http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net/">http://vedicastro.<WBR>h=
ome.comcast.<WBR>net</A><BR>Free
=
href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/">http://www.VedicAst<WBR>rol=
oger.org</A><BR>Sri
hr=
ef=3D"http://www.srijagannath.org/">http://www.SriJagan<WBR>nath.org</A><BR=
>------------<WBR>---------<WBR>---------<WBR>---------<WBR>---------<WBR>-=
--------<WBR>---------
<BR></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=
=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid">
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND:=
#e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
title=3Drajarshi14@y=
ahoo.co.in
href=3D"mailto:rajarshi14@...">rajarshi nandy=
</A> </DIV>
=
href=3D"mailto:vedic-wi=
sdom@yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com</A>
=
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, Sept=
ember 28, 2008
2:44 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt =
arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re:
Dharma</DIV>
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cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 border=3D0>
<TBODY>
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<DIV>Dear Narasimhaji=
</DIV>

=
=
<DIV>I did not understand one line of your post. You said during
=
the time of Mahabhrata there was tremendous weight on this
=
planet. I could not completely understand what you ment by thi=
s.
Is it a literal meaning of figuratative meaning?</DIV>
=
=
<DIV>Also, could you tell me the name of reference of the book
=
where Sri Ramakrishna says Yogananda was Arjuna. </DIV>
=
=
<DIV>Thank you once again for your mails which are an
=
inspiration to us all.</DIV>
=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
=
<DIV><EM><STRONG>
=
style=3D"F=
ONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This
a=
bove all: to thine own self be true!" -
Hamlet</SPAN></STR=
ONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On
<B>Sun, 28/9/=
08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao
<I><pvr@charter.<WBR>net></=
I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style=3D"B=
ORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Narasimha
P.=
V.R. Rao <pvr@charter.<WBR>net><BR>Subject:
[vedic=
-wisdom] Re: Dharma<BR>To:
vedic-wisdom@<WBR>yahoogroups=
.<WBR>com<BR>Cc:
sivacharya@yahoogro<WBR>ups.com<BR>Date=
: Sunday, 28 September,
2008, 12:11 AM<BR><BR>
=
<DIV id=3Dyiv1326530499>
=
<DIV>Namaste,<BR><BR>As Vimalananda says, dharma is indeed =
personal. Krishna clearly says in <BR>Bhagavad Geeta "Fo=

llow
your own dharma. It is dangerous to follow someone =
<BR>else's
dharma".<BR><BR>Following the path of dharma =
basically means
engaging in the right <BR>action/duty. R=
ight action varies
from person to person, from time to t=
ime <BR>and from place to
place. It is dependent on what=
nature expects from you,
<BR>which in turn is based on =
who you have been in the past,
what actions you <BR>did =
in the past while identifying with
the action, who you a=
ffected in the <BR>past (and how) with
the actions that =
you identified with, what debts you
<BR>created in the p=
rocess, and what mental tendencies you
accumulated until=
<BR>now.<BR><BR>If, based on one's mental
tendencies an=
d karmic debts, nature wants a person <BR>to kill
evil p=
ersons, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's
me=
ntal <BR>tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person
=
to spread the message of <BR>uniformity of all religions, that
=
becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's <BR>mental tendencies
=
and karmic debts, nature wants a person to spread the
=
<BR>ritual of homam in the world, that becomes one's dharma=
.
If, based on one's <BR>mental tendencies and karmic de=
bts,
nature wants a person to make a lot of <BR>money an=
d construct
a temple, that becomes one's dharma.<BR><BR>=
* * *<BR><BR>The
dharma of a being may change from one l=
ife to
another.<BR><BR>At the time of Mahabharata war, i=
t was
Arjuna's dharma to kill his gurus, <BR>elders and =
relatives.
The time then was such that there was too muc=
h weight <BR>on
earth and nature wanted earth to be reli=
eved of some weight.
Tremendous <BR>destruction was to t=
ake place and civilization
destroyed to a great extent, =
<BR>to welcome Kali yuga and set
the tone for it. Arjuna=
being a great warrior, <BR>it was his
dharma to facilit=
ate that. Some people he deeply loved and
<BR>respected =
were on the other side and it was his dharma to
kill the=
m.<BR><BR>When the same Arjuna was born again in the
19t=
h century as one of <BR>Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s sishyas
=
(Swami Yogananda had been Arjuna in a <BR>previous life,
=
according to Ramakrishna) , his dharma was different in this
=
<BR>new time and place. He was born to renounce material life
=
despite his <BR>aristocratic upbringing and live the simple =
life of a monk and inspire <BR>generations to embrace a =

simple
life of mental detachment and service to <BR>othe=
rs. When he
is born again (which he has to, as per what =
Ramakrishna
<BR>said), his dharma based on the time and =
place may be
something else.<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>The tri=
cky question is:
How does one decide what is one's dharm=
a?<BR><BR>Some people
have interpreted Krishna's words s=
aying "follow your own
dharma <BR>and not someone else's=
dharma" in the light of
castism. Though the concept <BR=
>of caste (varna) has been
there in Hinduism for a long =
time, the concept of <BR>caste
mobility was very much th=
ere. Valmiki was a shudra who lived
by <BR>killing birds=
. He became a brahmana and a maharshi
later. Vishwamitra=
was a <BR>kshatrita and a powerful king. He
became a br=
ahmana and and a maharshi <BR>later. Basically
varna sho=
ws one's aptitude. One starts off with the varna
<BR>of =
father, because that is what one is exposed to in
childh=
ood. As one <BR>develops in life, one gets one's own
var=
na based on what one does.<BR><BR>Thus, the
misinterpret=
ation of Krishna's words which tells you to know
your <B=
R>dharma from your caste is wrong. Moreover, there are
n=
ot just 4 dharmas in <BR>the world. Each person has
indi=
vidual dharma.<BR><BR>Knowing what one's dharma is is very
=
very very difficult. If one is pure <BR>enough, one will
=
=
<BR>mind that tells us what our dharma is, but it is
=
surrounded by a lot of <BR>noise from other parts of our minds
=
which tell other things. Thus, we get

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Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Narasimha,
Yes, What you said is good.
Especially people should take time and test and be tested before taking a guru.
Im not sure but previously people took more interest and care into reading the
shastras Vedas ,etc Most people had several gurus for their family.
Mostly now a days it seems that many people choose a guru/priest/teacher that
will tell them what they want(or accept ) to hear.
For example -How many people who choose a guru who said you need to chant 5 hours
a day?
A person is fortunate to find a guru in a legitimate parampara.

If someone can get a good, living ( or fairly current ) guru, then that guru can
give a modern interpretation of shastras,etc.
Much confusion arises trying to apply the literal words of ancient texts to
modern life(kali yuga is actually backwards not "modern")
A guru can help the disciple understand the application of shastra in current
times.
All the best
Lakshmi

Dear Lakshmi,
This is Kali yuga. While a really spiritual person must continuously try to
destroy ego, so many spiritual gurus are there around us with bloated egos which
are easily offended at a hint of criticism or overly excited at sycophancy. Such
gurus are not of much use.
But how do separate the grains from the chaff? It is not easy, especially when
there are just a few grains in the middle of a big pile of chaff. Astrology is
useful but not that much. Astrologer's mind, which makes the final judgments, works
based on his/her prejudices and secret beliefs.
* * *
In the past, many great souls used intellectual discrimination and intuition to
judge one's guru for a long time before whole-heartedly embracing one's guru. In
many traditions within Hinduism, this is encouraged. You do not accept a guru in an
impulse. You "test" your guru and take your time to accept him. But, once you
accept a person as your guru, you follow him faithfully.
* * *
If you take Narendra (Swami Vivekananda), the celebrated disciple of Ramakrishna

Paramahamsa, he was a highly rational and skeptical young man. Though Ramakrishna
had induced a samadhi in Narendra by mere touch in their second meeting itself, it
was not enough to convince Narendra of Ramakrishna's ability and purity. He thought
the whole experience could just have been a hallucination/hypnotism and did not
jump to any conclusion. As he visited Ramakrishna continuously, received love and
knowledge from him and saw that Ramakrishna indeed walked the walk (as opposed to
just talking the talk), he was slowly convinced of the purity of Ramakrishna. He
then became a tireless soldier who dedicated his life to carrying out the mission
of his guru!
During the early stages, he even told Ramakrishna bluntly about the latter's
visions of Kali, Krishna, Rama etc, "Sir, they could all just be your imaginations
or hallucinations". Narendra did not even believe in god with a form and believed
only in the formless. Ramakrishna was never offended at these comments.
Other sishyas like Joginder (Swami Yogananda) also approached Ramakrishna

skeptically and tested him for a duration. These young men who surrounded
Ramakrishna weren't blind men led by a blind man. They were all rishis or
associates of rishis, who were reborn together for a purpose.
They observed Ramakrishna for a while, confirmed that he practiced what he

preached and realized that there was a valuable lesson in each action and word of
his. They took a while to realize his purity and divinity, but once they realized
they became faithful sishyas. He accepted them, loved them and taught them even
before they realized his true nature and accepted him fully as their guru. He knew
they were skeptical and testing him, but he was never offended (what good is a guru
who cannot recognize a worthy student and what good is a guru whose ego is insulted
at someone's skepticism). Once they accepted him and became faithful sishyas, each
one of them was also transformed into a really pure person who takes the entire
life as a sadhana and maintains purity in every thought and action. Each sishya of
a Ramakrishna was a role model in spiritual purity.
* * *
One whose rinas draw one towards a fake guru gets such a guru because that is
what his karmas entitle him to. The circumstances we have to face are based on the
previous actions. But the current action (freewill) is in our hands. If one can
truly believe from the deepest cores of heart that one's guru is pure and like
Shiva himself, follows guru blindly and entertains no doubt whatsoever, that WILL
pay off oneday. Nature WILL bring light into that person's spiritual life. It is
just a matter of time.
Thus, I will not be judgmental about other gurus and their sishyas. If a sishya
believes in his/her guru fully, so be it. It is not our business.
But, if one were to find a guru like Ramakrishna Paramahamsa or Ramana Maharshi
or Sri Aurobindo or Srila Prabhupada, it is one's immense luck. However, the point
I want to make is that having a great guru is not a guarantee of success and also
having a fake guru is not a guarantee of failure!
At the end of the day, the measure of success in any sadhana is the purity
generated by that sadhana. The measure of the purity is the effacement of ego. If
ego is reduced completely or eliminated, one is making progress. This can happen
inspite of who is the guru, what one is doing etc.
When the full grace of the Supreme Being falls on a person, any medium is
sufficient to reflect that grace.
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Lakshmi Kary
Hare Rama Krishna
Dear Narasimha.
Sorry I got my people and lineages all confused! Was reading about too many
people lately.
Also last night I saw a documentary on religious leaders, cults etc.

People want to see God so badly they are very eager to push anyone who is willing
to claim to be special up on a pedestal.That happened with my ex , he got up
there,felt it wasn't right and tried to climb down, but his"disciples" didn't want
him to.
They continued to perpetuate falsehoods about his purity, and all sorts of cover
ups.
God and Jesus are living in some many places. Sometimes there are several people
simultaneously claiming to be Jesus in any psych unit across the world/
Its amazing where and to within whom people see "God".
Isnt a spiritual master, guru, living like a mortal in all capacities while
telling others how to find realization sort of hypocritical and bizarre?
There is one fellow who used to be a heroin addict and now he says he is Jesus
money and all sorts of things.
Yesterday I went on the Internet, and looked at some many so called yogis,
preachers etc
IN the USA I cant begin to tell you the number of religious leaders that were
revered as "God" or some other incarnation.
India is no different, perhaps worse because people have a natural respect for
sadhus , yogis etc and more yogis can get away with pretending to be a renunciate.
I believe God appears in different forms in different places and times to attract
people who are looking for him and to associate with his devotees..
What are principles of religion? What is dharma, What is the purpose?
Now if there were no laws or rules, social or religious and everyone did what
they felt like, we would be living in a hell. At least in Kali Yuga.
What was the point of Jesus? Seems he got a lot of uncivilized people to work on
basic codes of conduct... thou shalt not steal,lie, commit adultery etc.
Whose to say one person is a saint?.. some people(his faithful followers)
couldn't understand that Charles Manson was a mad man not a prophet.
There are other "yogis" who came to USA, smoking pot, taking drugs,
and other ones advised having sex to find self realization and acquiring tons of
cars and
Some people ADVOCate mandatory forced marriage of young girls AT puberty,
One "saint" makes gold, but other people say he molested their young teenage
sons..
In itself, being able to perform siddhis or mystic things doesn't make one
elevated really. Maybe they have just accumulated the power to manipulate physical
matter.
People have given up everything they owned and moved into under ground tunnels
because their leader( an incarnation of this or that) said the world was ending.
Or, time and time again, some swami turns out to molest kids, and or do all sorts
of things when no one is looking..
"The Do as I say , don't do as I do"...
"He is so pure he doesn't have to obey the rules like everyone else."
I think someone who is 100% serving their GOD day and night, at all times and
Self realization after much thought and years meditating/chanting is simple i
and to everything and everyone else in our conscious and unconscious universe.
But then by the time I die , I'm sure I'll have even more realizations.
There was a big article in TIME magazine with some personal letter of Mother
Theresa that she didnt want shown publically that showed her apparently having
doubts(privately in her heart) I guess as a way to try and discredit her.
Was she a saint, coming to India and pushing her views on the poor?People go in
circles debating her worth .
And I guess these are the things I'm here for in this life, which is different
I keep hoping astrology can "reveal" the real saint the real sadhus..etc
Best wishes
Lakshmi

Dear Lakshmi,
The Yogananda I mentioned is different. Swami Yogananda is one of the sixteen

monastic disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, along with Swami Vivekananda. He was
forced to marry, but never slept with his own wife. Swami Vivekananda once said "if
any of us (disciples of Ramakrishna) conquered lust completely and in all respects,
it is Joginder (Swami Yogananda)". There is no question of Swami Yogananda being
Paramahamsa Yogananda is a sishya of Yukteshwar Maharaj and from the lineage of

Mahavatar Babaji. They practice kriya yoga. I do not know much about him.
* * *
The link you gave is about neither Swami Yogananda nor Paramahamsa Yogananda, but
some propaganda about Ramakrishna Paramahamsa himself, based on some bali he
apparently gave. So I am unsure exactly who you wanted to talk about..
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Subject: Re: Dharma
Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Narasimha,
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Best wishes
Lakshmi

Namaste,
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him "shame on you.
guru).
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Dear Narasimhaji
-Regards
Rajarshi

Namaste,

else's dharma".
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little attachment.
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Best regards,
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<div>Hare Rama Krishna</div> <div>Dear Narasimha,</div> <div>Yes, What you said

is good.</div> <div>Especially people should take time and test and be tested
before taking a guru.</div> <div>Im not sure but previously people took more
interest and care into reading the shastras Vedas ,etc Most people had several
gurus for their family.</div> <div> </div> <div><STRONG>Mostly now a days
it seems that many people choose a guru/priest/teacher that will tell them what
they want(or accept ) to hear. </STRONG></div> <div><STRONG>For example -How many
people who choose a guru who said you need to chant 5 hours a day?</STRONG></div>
<div><STRONG></STRONG> </div> <div><STRONG>A person is fortunate to find a guru in
a legitimate parampara.</STRONG></div> <div>If someone can get a good, living
( or fairly current ) guru, then that guru can give a modern interpretation of
shastras,etc. </div> <div>Much confusion arises
trying to apply the literal words of ancient texts to modern life(kali yuga is
actually backwards not "modern")</div> <div>A guru can help the disciple
understand the application of shastra in current times.</div> <div>All the
best</div> <div>Lakshmi</div> <div><BR><BR><B><I>"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
<pvr@...></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px;
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <DIV id=ygrp-text> <div>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear Lakshmi,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This is Kali yuga. While a
really spiritual person must continuously try to
destroy ego, so many spiritual gurus are there around us with bloated egos which
are easily offended at a hint of criticism or overly excited at sycophancy. Such
gurus are not of much use.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But how do separate the grains
from the chaff? It is not easy, especially when there are just a few grains in the
middle of a big pile of chaff. Astrology is useful but not that much. Astrologer's
mind, which makes the final judgments, works based on his/her prejudices and secret
beliefs.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>* * *</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In the past, many great souls
used intellectual discrimination and intuition to judge one's guru for a long time
before whole-heartedly
embracing one's guru. In many traditions within Hinduism, this is encouraged. You
do not accept a guru in an impulse. You "test" your guru and take your time to
accept him. But, once you accept a person as your guru, you follow him
faithfully.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If you take Narendra (Swami
Vivekananda)<WBR>, the celebrated disciple of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, he was a
highly rational and skeptical young man. Though Ramakrishna had induced a samadhi
in Narendra by mere touch in their second meeting itself, it was not enough to
convince Narendra of Ramakrishna'<WBR>s ability and purity. He thought the whole
experience could just have been a hallucination/<WBR>hypnotism and did not jump to
any conclusion. As he visited
Ramakrishna continuously, received love and knowledge from him and saw that
Ramakrishna indeed walked the walk (as opposed to just talking the talk), he was
slowly convinced of the purity of Ramakrishna. He then became a tireless soldier
who dedicated his life to carrying out the mission of his guru!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>During
the early stages, he even told Ramakrishna bluntly about the latter's visions of
Kali, Krishna, Rama etc, "Sir, they could all just be your imaginations or
hallucinations"<WBR>. Narendra did not even believe in god with a form and believed
only in the formless. Ramakrishna was never offended at these
comments.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Other sishyas like Joginder (Swami Yogananda) also approached
Ramakrishna skeptically and tested him for a duration. These young men who
surrounded Ramakrishna weren't blind men
led by a blind man. They were all rishis or associates of rishis, who were reborn
together for a purpose.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>They observed Ramakrishna for a while, confirmed that
he practiced what he preached and realized that there was a valuable lesson in each
action and word of his. They took a while to realize his purity and divinity, but
once they realized they became faithful sishyas. He accepted them, loved them and
taught them even before they realized his true nature and accepted him fully as
their guru. He knew they were skeptical and testing him, but he was never offended
(what good is a guru who cannot recognize a worthy student and what good is a guru
whose ego is insulted at someone's skepticism). Once they accepted him and became
faithful sishyas, each one of them was also transformed into a really pure person
who takes the entire life as a sadhana and maintains purity in every
thought and action. Each sishya of a Ramakrishna was a role model in spiritual
purity.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2> <DIV>* * *</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One whose rinas draw one towards a fake guru gets such
a guru because that is what his karmas entitle him to. The circumstances we have to
face are based on the previous actions. But the current action (freewill) is in our
hands. If one can truly believe from the deepest cores of heart that one's guru is
pure and like Shiva himself, follows guru blindly and entertains no doubt
whatsoever, that WILL pay off oneday. Nature WILL bring light into that person's
spiritual life. It is just a matter of time.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thus, I will not be judgmental
about
other gurus and their sishyas. If a sishya believes in his/her guru fully, so be
it. It is not our business.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But, if one were to find a guru
like Ramakrishna Paramahamsa or Ramana Maharshi or Sri Aurobindo or Srila
Prabhupada, it is one's immense luck. However, the point I want to make is that
having a great guru is not a guarantee of success and also having a fake guru is
not a guarantee of failure!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>At the end of the day, the
measure of success in any sadhana is the purity generated by that sadhana. The
measure of the purity is the effacement of ego. If ego is reduced completely or
eliminated, one is making progress. This can happen inspite of who is the guru,
what one is doing etc.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>When the full
grace of the Supreme Being falls on a person, any medium is sufficient to reflect
that grace.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Best regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------<WBR>---------
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arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 29, 2008 2:06 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT:
10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [vedic-wisdom] Yogananda (Re: Dharma)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Hare Rama Krishna</DIV> <DIV>Dear Narasimha.</DIV>
<DIV>Sorry I got my people and lineages all confused! Was reading about too many
people lately.</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Also last
night I saw a documentary on religious leaders, cults etc.</DIV> <DIV>People
want to see God so badly they are very eager to push anyone who is willing to claim
to be special up on a pedestal.That happened with my ex , he got up there,felt it
wasn't right and tried to climb down, but his"disciples" didn't want him to.</DIV>
<DIV>They continued to perpetuate falsehoods about his purity, and all sorts of
cover ups.</DIV> <DIV>God and Jesus are living in
some many places. Sometimes there are several people simultaneously claiming to be
Jesus in any psych unit across the world/</DIV> <DIV>Its amazing where and to
within whom people see "God".</DIV> <DIV>Isnt a spiritual master, guru, living
like a mortal in all capacities while telling others how to find realization sort
of hypocritical and bizarre?</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>There is one fellow who used to be a heroin addict and now he says he is Jesus
money and all sorts of things.</DIV> <DIV>Yesterday I went on the Internet, and
looked at some many so called yogis, preachers etc</DIV> <DIV>IN the USA I cant
begin to tell you the number of religious leaders that were revered as "God" or
some other incarnation.</DIV> <DIV>India is no different, perhaps worse because
people have a natural respect for sadhus , yogis etc and more yogis can get away
with
pretending to be a renunciate.</DIV> <DIV>I believe God appears in different
forms in different places and times to attract people who are looking for him and
to associate with his devotees..</DIV> <DIV>Now that Documentary TV program and
your posts got my mind swimming.</DIV> <DIV>What are principles of religion? What
is dharma, What is the purpose?</DIV> <DIV>Now if there were no laws or rules,
social or religious and everyone did what they felt like, we would be living in a
hell. At least in Kali Yuga.</DIV> <DIV>What was the point of Jesus? Seems he got
a lot of uncivilized people to work on basic codes of conduct... thou shalt not
steal,lie, commit adultery etc.</DIV> <DIV>Whose to say one person is a saint?..
some people(his faithful followers) couldn't understand that Charles Manson was a
mad man not a prophet.</DIV> <DIV>There are other "yogis" who came to USA, smoking
pot, taking drugs,</DIV> <DIV>and other ones advised having sex to find self
realization and acquiring tons of cars and </DIV> <DIV>helping many people trade
STDs.</DIV> <DIV>Some people ADVOCate mandatory forced marriage of young girls AT
puberty, usually to older men.. and its ok for their fathers to teach them a thing
or two, before being handed off.</DIV> <DIV>One "saint" makes gold, but other
people say he molested their young teenage sons..</DIV> <DIV>In itself, being able
to perform siddhis or mystic things doesn't make one elevated really. Maybe they
have just accumulated the power to manipulate physical matter.</DIV> <DIV>Unless a
person is pure- it is hard to see who else is pure.</DIV> <DIV>And even then, well
intentioned people are deceived all the time.</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>People have given up everything they owned and moved
into under ground tunnels because their leader( an incarnation of this or that)
said the world was ending.</DIV> <DIV>Or, time and time again, some
swami turns out to molest kids, and or do all sorts of things when no one is
looking..</DIV> <DIV>"The Do as I say , don't do as I do"...</DIV> <DIV>"He is
so pure he doesn't have to obey the rules like everyone else."</DIV> <DIV>Whose to
say who is pure?</DIV> <DIV>I think someone who is 100% serving their GOD day and
night, at all times and practicing what they preach has got to be pure....</DIV>
<DIV>Self realization after much thought and years meditating/chanting is simple i
and to everything and everyone else in our conscious and unconscious
universe.</DIV> <DIV>But then by the time I die , I'm sure I'll have even more
realizations.</DIV> <DIV>There was a big article in TIME magazine with some
personal letter of Mother Theresa that she didnt want shown publically that showed
her apparently having doubts(privately in her heart) I guess as a way to try and
discredit
her.</DIV> <DIV>Was she a saint, coming to India and pushing her views on the
poor?People go in circles debating her worth .</DIV> <DIV>And I guess these are
the things I'm here for in this life, which is different than other peoples
path.</DIV> <DIV>I keep hoping astrology can "reveal" the real saint the real
sadhus..etc</DIV> <DIV>Suffering helps one think about these things.</DIV>
<DIV>Best wishes</DIV> <DIV>Lakshmi</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@charter.<WBR>net></I></B>
wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">
<DIV id=ygrp-text> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear Lakshmi,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The
Yogananda I mentioned is different. Swami Yogananda is one of the sixteen monastic
disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, along with Swami Vivekananda. He was forced
to marry, but never slept with his own
wife. Swami Vivekananda once said "if any of us (disciples of Ramakrishna)
conquered lust completely and in all respects, it is Joginder (Swami Yogananda)".
There is no question of Swami Yogananda being accused of drinking and having women
etc.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Paramahamsa Yogananda is a sishya of Yukteshwar Maharaj and from
the lineage of Mahavatar Babaji. They practice kriya yoga. I do not know much about
him.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The link you gave is about
neither Swami Yogananda nor Paramahamsa Yogananda, but some propaganda about
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa himself, based on some bali he apparently gave. So I am
unsure exactly who
you wanted to talk about..</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Best regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------
<WBR>---------<WBR>---------<WBR>---------<WBR>---------<WBR>---------
<WBR>---------<BR>Do a Short Homam Yourself: <A
<WBR>---------<WBR>--------- <BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000
2px solid"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Dharma</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV>Hare Rama Krishna</DIV> <DIV>Dear
Narasimha,</DIV> <DIV>Ive read several apparently derogatory things about
Paramahamsa Yogananda- that he ate meat, drank and had women at different times.
Some accounts seem very authoratative so I am inclined to believe where there is
smoke there is fire.</DIV> <DIV>How can we reconcil he is spiritually special when
he was involved in some many other worldly things.?</DIV> <DIV><A
href="http://ramakrishnayb.blogspot.com/2008/02/95-where-is-safety-for-fish-and-
goats.html">http://ramakrishnay<WBR>b.blogspot.<WBR>com/2008/<WBR>02/95-where-
<WBR>is-safety-<WBR>for-fish-<WBR>and-goats.<WBR>html</A></DIV> <DIV>Best
wishes</DIV> <DIV>Lakshmi<BR><BR><B><I>"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
<pvr@charter.<WBR>net></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq
style="BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <DIV id=ygrp-text> <DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Namaste,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>There have been many great yogis, babas, saints and swamis in the last few
and several forms. He
even reached the state of nirvikalpa samadhi, where there is no "experience"<WBR>.
He was in sahaja samadhi always. He was able induce tremendous experience in people
by mere touch or mere look. Yet he was simple like a child and had zero ego (that
is why he could do all that!!!).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Many "gurus" force their dharma
on their sishyas and have no ability to recognize the true nature and dharma of
each sishya. They force sishyas to chant the mantra they chant, worship the form
they worship and walk the path they walk. Ramakrishna had deep insight into the
true nature of each sishya and gave specific instructions. He taught totally
different mantras, totally different forms and totally different paths to different
sishyas. He even taught contradictory things to different sishyas. When one sishya
who needed to mend his aggressive attitude roughed up somebody for insulting his
guru, he
scolded "shame on you. With your attitude, you did not defend your guru, but
brought shame to him. You should learn to be calm and ignore such insults. THAT
will place your guru in a good stead and not your aggression". When another sishya
who needed to mend his soft demeanor ignored insults of Ramakrishna by some people
and came away silently, he scolded him "shame on you. Shastras say that you should
kill one who insults your guru. How can you ignore such wrong behavior? You should
give them a piece of your mind."</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Spiritual sadhana does not mean
just chanting a mantra or repeating a procedure everyday for a certain period of
time. Spiritual sadhana is a continuous process by which one transforms oneself
from inside out and purifies oneself. That way, every action and every
thought becomes a sadhana and offers an opportunity for introspection and
transformation
of internal attitude.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyway, coming back to the point, Ramakrishna is not a
normal sadhaka or a normal guru. He belonged to a very special class of sadhakas
and he was an exceptional guru to an exceptional group of sishyas.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Without
his [indirect] blessings, I would be a nobody and would be lower than dirt. I would
not be able to say anything intelligent or meaningful in spiritual matters. Those
who are impressed/inspired by something I write should be thankful to my guru Dr
Manish Pandit and to Sri Ramakrishna for showering their grace using me as an
instrument and not to me.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BTW, you are all free to forward my posts that you
like to people who may be interested in spiritual discussions. I
have no problem. As I said before, I am a servant distributing the wealth of a
king (Mother) as asked by the minister (my guru).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Best
face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD vAlign=top>
<DIV>Dear Narasimhaji</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Another wonderly inspired post by you!!!!</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
figuratative meaning?</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Also, could you tell me the name of reference of the book where Sri
Ramakrishna says Yogananda was Arjuna. </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Thank you once again for your mails which are an
inspiration to us all.</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>-
Regards</DIV> <DIV> Rajarshi<BR><BR></DIV> <DIV><EM><STRONG> <DIV
class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This above all: to thine own self be
true!" - Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun,
28/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@charter.<WBR>net></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Narasimha P.V.R.
Rao <pvr@charter.<WBR>net><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Dharma<BR>To: vedic-
Sunday, 28 September, 2008, 12:11 AM<BR><BR> <DIV id=yiv1326530499> <DIV id=ygrp-
text> <DIV>Namaste,<BR><BR>As Vimalananda says, dharma is indeed personal. Krishna
clearly says in <BR>Bhagavad Geeta "Follow your own dharma. It is dangerous to
follow someone <BR>else's dharma".<BR><BR>Following the path of dharma basically
means engaging in the right <BR>action/duty. Right action varies from person to
person, from time to time <BR>and from place to place. It is dependent on what
nature expects
from you, <BR>which in turn is based on who you have been in the past, what
actions you <BR>did in the past while identifying with the action, who you affected
in the <BR>past (and how) with the actions that you identified with, what debts you
<BR>created in the process, and what mental tendencies you accumulated until
<BR>now.<BR><BR>If, based on one's mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants
a person <BR>to kill evil persons, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's
mental <BR>tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person to spread the message
of <BR>uniformity of all religions, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's
<BR>mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person to spread the
<BR>ritual of homam in the world, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's
<BR>mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person to make a lot of
<BR>money and construct a temple, that becomes one's dharma.<BR><BR>* *
*<BR><BR>The dharma of a
being may change from one life to another.<BR><BR>At the time of Mahabharata war,
it was Arjuna's dharma to kill his gurus, <BR>elders and relatives. The time then
was such that there was too much weight <BR>on earth and nature wanted earth to be
relieved of some weight. Tremendous <BR>destruction was to take place and
civilization destroyed to a great extent, <BR>to welcome Kali yuga and set the tone
for it. Arjuna being a great warrior, <BR>it was his dharma to facilitate that.
Some people he deeply loved and <BR>respected were on the other side and it was his
dharma to kill them.<BR><BR>When the same Arjuna was born again in the 19th century
as one of <BR>Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s sishyas (Swami Yogananda had been Arjuna
in a <BR>previous life, according to Ramakrishna) , his dharma was different in
this <BR>new time and place. He was born to renounce material life despite his
<BR>aristocratic upbringing and live the simple life of a monk and inspire
<BR>generations to
embrace a simple life of mental detachment and service to <BR>others. When he is
born again (which he has to, as per what Ramakrishna <BR>said), his dharma based on
the time and place may be something else.<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>The tricky question
is: How does one decide what is one's dharma?<BR><BR>Some people have interpreted
Krishna's words saying "follow your own dharma <BR>and not someone else's dharma"
in the light of castism. Though the concept <BR>of caste (varna) has been there in
Hinduism for a long time, the concept of <BR>caste mobility was very much there.
Valmiki was a shudra who lived by <BR>killing birds. He became a brahmana and a
maharshi later. Vishwamitra was a <BR>kshatrita and a powerful king. He became a
brahmana and and a maharshi <BR>later. Basically varna shows one's aptitude. One
starts off with the varna <BR>of father, because that is what one is exposed to in
childhood. As one <BR>develops in life, one gets one's own varna based on what one
does.<BR><BR>Thus, the misinterpretation of Krishna's words which tells you to
know your <BR>dharma from your caste is wrong. Moreover, there are not just 4
dharmas in <BR>the world. Each person has individual dharma.<BR><BR>Knowing what
one's dharma is is very very very difficult. If one is pure <BR>enough, one will
*know* one's dharma. In fact, all of us have a part of our <BR>mind that tells us
what our dharma is, but it is surrounded by a lot of <BR>noise from other parts of
our minds which tell other things. Thus, we get <BR>confused.<BR><BR>We should make
the best judgment combining discrimination and intuition and <BR>decide what is our
dharma and follow it sincerely. We may be err, but doing <BR>the best we can is all
that we can do!<BR><BR>More than following dharma, what is of utmost importance is
to engage in <BR>actions without identification. *That* alone ensures that we are
not <BR>accumulating new karmas, i.e. not increasing the load. We should not build
<BR>untached action) will simplify our ego and purify our consciousness slowly.
<BR>As we become purer, our mind will work sharper and tell our dharma clearer.
<BR>There is a positive feedback here. This will slowly enable us to see our
<BR>dharma clearly and follow it without incurring new karmas. This is not easy,
<BR>but not as difficult as people think.<BR><BR>The bottomline is: Even if one is
not following one's dharma, one's sense of <BR>"this is my dharma" gets refined
with time if one engages in action with
<BR>little attachment.<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>In deciding one's dharma, one's
intellect and intuition are the inputs. <BR>Another external input is the words of
scriptures and learned men. One can <BR>derive one's dharma from them. A special
place is given to one's spiritual <BR>master. If one surrenders to a spiritual
master, one can take the words of <BR>the master to determine one's dharma and
follow it sincerely.<BR><BR>When Arjuna was confused about what his dharma was and
thought killing gurus <BR>and relatives was not dharma, he had a guru in Krishna
who clarified his <BR>dharma. When Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was confused
about his dharma <BR>and wanted to renounce the world and go to a secluded place to
do sadhana, <BR>Ramakrishna Paramahamsa cried and prevailed upon him to stay in the
material <BR>world and do the work of Mother for him.<BR><BR>One who is not in tune
with nature and does not know who one is, what one's <BR>debts are and what nature
expects
from one can err in the judgment of what <BR>one's dharma is. If one's guru is an
elevated soul with a clear insight into <BR>one's inner core, such a guru can give
perfect guidance.<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>Bottomline is that I (or anybody) cannot
outline a set of principles and <BR>declare that as the dharma. No, dharma changes
from person to person, from <BR>time to time and from place to place. Also, there
are no thumbrules to find <BR>out what one's dharma is. But, one can refine one's
understanding of <BR>one's individual dharma.<BR><BR>Best
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Dharma<BR><BR>> Namaste to all<BR>><BR>> i just finished my Aghora series<BR>> and
in it in last part<BR>> Vimalanda says path of dharma is very personal.<BR>> Can
somebody share views on that and how can we approach<BR>> towards it<BR>> Does it
has to do something with vedas and upanishads<BR>><BR>> regards<BR>>
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Dear Narasimhaji
=C2=A0
Another wonderful mail. Everyday when I open my mai=
lbox in the morning, I keep searching for your mails. Each one is an inspir=
ation.
=C2=A0
One more point I would like to add, I had read some books on =
Thakur in Bengali and in one there was the description of an indicident. On=
ce Swamiji wanted to test Thakur. Since Thakur used to say that he could no=
t handle money (as it represented something grossly material), Swamji delib=
erately put a note under Thakur's pillow when Thakur was not in the room. L=
ater when Thakur come to sleep in teh bed, he instantly got up as if in pai=
n and said something is very wrong in here, Hriday, who was used to be ther=
e, searched the bed and found that money under his pillow. But Thakur never=
got offended with these things.
=C2=A0
Infact in one instance, when one of=
his disciples had come to him for the first time, Thakur asked him to stay=
over at Dakshineshwar. At night the disciple woke up and saw that Thakur w=
as leaving the room. A doubt entered the disciples mind, he thought maybe T=
hakur is goinfg towards the Nahabat house where Sri Sarada Ma used to stay.=
So he quitely decided to follow Thakur and see where he is going, after al=
l it maybe that Thakur used to visit the Nahabat secretly etc etc.. he was =
genuinely suspicious. Then as he left the room following Thakur at a distan=
ce, he saw Thakur going to the Panchvati and sitting down for meditation an=
d there he sat for two hours.Later when Thakur came back, he told that pers=
on, who later became his disciple, that he had done very good to test Thaku=
r. Further Thakur said, no one should accept a Guru without testing. And to=
see and judge a person's sprittuality he has to be observed when he is pub=
lic and when he is alone. There
should be no diference in his words and ac=
tions. Etc etc.
=C2=A0
Every incident in Thakur's life is like an illustrat=
ion of a deeper point for ordianry people like us.
=C2=A0
-Regards
=C2=A0Ra=
jarshi
--- On Tue=
, 30/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrote:
From: Narasimha P=
.V.R. Rao <pvr@...>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Yogananda (Re: Dhar=
ma)
Date: T=
uesday, 30 September, 2008, 10:18 AM
Dear Lakshmi,
=C2=A0
This is Ka=
li yuga. While=C2=A0a really spiritual person must continuously try to dest=
roy ego, so many spiritual gurus are there around us with bloated egos whic=
h are easily offended at a hint of criticism or overly excited at sycophanc=
y. Such gurus are not of much use.
=C2=A0
But how do separate the grains fr=
om the chaff? It is not easy, especially when there are just a few grains i=
n the middle of a big pile of chaff. Astrology is useful but not that much.=
Astrologer's mind, which makes the final judgments, works based on his/her=
prejudices and secret beliefs.
=C2=A0
*=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 *=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *
=C2=A0
In the past,=
many great souls used intellectual discrimination and intuition to judge o=
ne's guru for a long time before whole-heartedly embracing one's guru. In m=
any traditions within Hinduism, this is encouraged. You do not accept a gur=
u in an impulse. You "test" your guru and take your time to accept him. But=
, once you accept a person as your guru, you follow him faithfully.
=C2=A0
=
*=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 *
=C2=A0
If you take Narendra (Swami Vivekananda) , the celebr=
ated disciple of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, he was a highly rational and skep=
tical young man. Though Ramakrishna had induced a samadhi in Narendra by me=
re touch in their second meeting itself, it was not enough to convince Nare=
ndra of Ramakrishna' s ability and purity. He thought the whole experience =
could just have been a hallucination/ hypnotism and did not jump to any con=
clusion. As he visited Ramakrishna continuously, received love and knowledg=
e from him and saw that Ramakrishna indeed walked the walk (as opposed to j=
ust talking the talk), he was slowly convinced of the purity of Ramakrishna=
. He then became a tireless soldier who dedicated his life to carrying out =
the mission of his guru!
=C2=A0
During the early stages, he even told Ramak=
rishna bluntly about the latter's visions of Kali, Krishna, Rama etc, "Sir,=
they could all just be your imaginations or hallucinations" . Narendra did=
not even believe in god with a form and believed only in the formless. Ram=
akrishna was never offended at these comments.
=C2=A0
Other sishyas like Jo=
ginder (Swami Yogananda) also approached Ramakrishna skeptically and tested=
him for a duration. These young men who surrounded Ramakrishna weren't bli=
nd men led by a blind man. They were all rishis or associates of rishis, wh=
o were reborn together for a purpose.
=C2=A0
They observed Ramakrishna for =
a while, confirmed that he practiced what he preached and realized that the=
re was a valuable lesson in each action and word=C2=A0of his. They took a w=
hile to realize his purity and divinity, but once they realized they became=
faithful sishyas. He accepted them, loved them and taught them even before=
they realized his true nature and accepted him fully as their guru. He kne=
w they were skeptical and testing him, but he was never offended (what good=
is a guru who cannot recognize a worthy student and what good is a guru wh=
ose ego is insulted at someone's skepticism). Once they accepted him and be=
came faithful sishyas, each one of them was also transformed into a really =
pure person who takes the entire life as a sadhana and maintains purity in =
every thought and action. Each sishya of a Ramakrishna was a role model in =
spiritual purity.
=C2=A0
*=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *
=C2=A0=C2=A0
One whose rinas draw=
one towards a fake guru gets such a guru because that is what his karmas e=
ntitle him to. The circumstances we have to face are based on the previous =
actions. But the current action (freewill) is in our hands. If one can trul=
y believe from the deepest cores of heart that one's guru is pure and like =
Shiva himself, follows guru blindly and entertains no doubt whatsoever, tha=
t WILL pay off oneday. Nature WILL bring light into that person's spiritual=
life. It is just a matter of time.
=C2=A0
Thus, I will not be judgmental a=
bout other gurus and their sishyas. If a sishya believes in his/her guru fu=
lly, so be it. It is not our business.
=C2=A0
But, if one were to find a gu=
ru like Ramakrishna Paramahamsa or Ramana Maharshi or Sri Aurobindo or Sril=
a Prabhupada, it is one's immense luck. However, the point I want to make i=
s that having a great guru is not a guarantee of success and also having a =
fake guru is not a guarantee of failure!
=C2=A0
At the end of the day, the =
measure of success in any sadhana is the purity generated by that sadhana. =
The measure of the purity is the effacement of ego. If ego is reduced compl=
etely or eliminated, one is making progress. This can happen inspite of who=
is the guru, what one is doing etc.
=C2=A0
When the full grace of the Supr=
eme Being falls on a person, any medium is sufficient to reflect that grace=
.
=C2=A0
Best regards,
Narasimha
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----- Original Message -----=
From: Lakshmi Kary

Sent: Monday, Sep=
tember 29, 2008 2:06 AM
=
Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Narasimha.
Sorry I got my people and lineages all =
confused! Was reading about too many people lately.
=C2=A0
Also last night=
=C2=A0 I saw a =C2=A0documentary on religious leaders, cults etc.
People wa=
nt to see God so badly they are very eager to push anyone who is willing to=
claim to be special up on a pedestal.That happened with my ex , he got up =
there,felt it wasn't right and tried to climb down, but his"disciples" didn=
't want him to.
They continued to perpetuate falsehoods about his purity, a=
nd all sorts of cover ups.
God and Jesus are living in some many places. So=
metimes there are several people simultaneously claiming to be Jesus in any=
psych unit across the world/
Its amazing where and to within whom people s=
ee "God".
Isnt a spiritual master, guru, living like a mortal in all capaci=
ties while telling others how to find realization sort of hypocritical and =
bizarre?
=C2=A0
There is one fellow who used to be a heroin addict and now =
he says he is Jesus and has a huge following. they are willing to do whatev=
er he says and they give him money and all sorts of things.
Yesterday I wen=
t on the Internet, and looked at some many so called yogis, preachers etc
I=
N the USA I cant begin to tell you the number of religious leaders that wer=
e revered as "God" or some other incarnation.
India is no different, perhap=
s worse because people have a natural respect for sadhus , yogis etc and mo=
re yogis can get away with pretending to be a renunciate.
I believe God app=
ears in different forms in different places and times to attract people who=
are looking for him and to associate with his devotees..
Now that Document=
ary TV program and your posts got my mind swimming.
What are principles of =
religion? What is dharma, What is the purpose?
Now if there were no laws or=
rules, social or religious and everyone did what they felt like, we would =
be living in a hell. At least in Kali Yuga.
What was the point of Jesus? Se=
ems he got a lot of uncivilized people to work on basic codes of conduct...=
thou shalt not steal,lie, commit adultery etc.
Whose to say one person is =
a saint?.. some people(his faithful followers)=C2=A0couldn't understand tha=
t Charles Manson was a mad man not a prophet.
There are other "yogis" who c=
ame to USA, smoking pot, taking drugs,
and other ones advised having sex to=
find self realization and acquiring tons of cars and
helping many people =
trade STDs.
Some people ADVOCate mandatory forced =C2=A0marriage of young g=
irls AT puberty, usually to older men.. and its ok for their fathers to tea=
ch them a thing or two, before being handed off.
One "saint" makes gold, bu=
t other people say he molested their young teenage sons..
In itself, being =
able to perform siddhis or mystic things doesn't make one elevated=C2=A0 re=
ally. Maybe they have just accumulated the power to manipulate physical mat=
ter.
And even =
then, well intentioned=C2=A0people are deceived all the time.
=C2=A0
People=
have given up everything they owned and moved into under ground tunnels be=
cause their leader( an incarnation of this or that) said the world was endi=
ng.
Or, time and time again, some swami turns out to molest kids, and or do=
all sorts of things when no one is looking..
"The Do as I say , don't do a=
s=C2=A0 I do"...
"He is so pure he doesn't have to obey the rules like ever=
yone else."
I think someone who is 100% serving t=
heir GOD day and night, at all times and practicing what they preach has go=
t to be pure....
Self realization after much thought and years meditating/c=
hanting is simple i found... its the realization ,the complete understandin=
g of our relationship=C2=A0to God and to everything and everyone else in ou=
r conscious and unconscious universe.
But then by the time I die , I'm sure=
I'll have even more realizations.
There was a big article in TIME magazine=
with some personal letter of Mother Theresa that she didnt want shown publ=
ically that showed her apparently having doubts(privately in her heart) I g=
uess as a way to try and discredit her.
Was she a saint, coming to India an=
d pushing her views on the poor?People go in circles debating her worth .
A=
nd I guess these are the things I'm here for in this life, which is differe=
nt than other peoples path.
I keep hoping astrology can "reveal" the real s=
aint the real sadhus..etc
Bes=
t wishes
Lakshmi
=C2=A0
"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@charter. net> wrote:

=
Dear Lakshmi,
=C2=A0
The Yogananda I mentioned is different. Swami Yogan=
anda is one of the sixteen monastic disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, a=
long with Swami Vivekananda. He was forced to marry, but never slept with h=
is own wife.=C2=A0Swami Vivekananda once said "if any of us (disciples of R=
amakrishna) conquered lust completely and in all respects, it is Joginder (=
Swami Yogananda)". There is no question of Swami Yogananda being accused of=
drinking and having women etc.
=C2=A0
Paramahamsa Yogananda is a sishya of=
Yukteshwar Maharaj and from the lineage of Mahavatar Babaji. They practice=
kriya yoga. I do not know much about him.
=C2=A0
*=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
*
=C2=A0
The link you gave is about neither Swami Yogananda nor Paramahamsa=
Yogananda, but some propaganda about Ramakrishna Paramahamsa himself, base=
d on some bali he apparently gave. So I am unsure exactly who you wanted to=
talk about..
=C2=A0
Best regards,
Narasimha
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----- Original M=
essage -----
From: Lakshmi Kary
Sent:=
Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: Dharma
Hare Rama Krishna=
Dear Narasimha,
Ive read several apparently derogatory things about Parama=
hamsa Yogananda- that he ate meat, drank and had women at different times. =
Some accounts seem very authoratative so I am inclined to believe where the=
re is smoke there is fire.
How can we reconcil he is spiritually special=C2=
=A0when he was involved in some many other worldly things.?
http://ramakris=
hnay b.blogspot. com/2008/ 02/95-where- is-safety- for-fish- and-goats. htm=
l
Best wishes
Lakshmi
"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@charter. net> wrote:
=
=C3=AF=C2=BB=C2=BF
Namaste,
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
For the=
reference on Yogananda, you can read the section on Swami Yogananda in "Go=
d Lived with Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakr=
ishna" by Swami Chetanananda.
=C2=A0
*=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0
There have been=
many great yogis, babas, saints and swamis in the last few thousand years =
of Kali yuga. But Ramakrishna Paramahamsa stands out in one way. He is one =
master who mastered every single path. He mastered bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga=
, karma yoga and even raaja yoga. He worshipped and experienced Rama, Krish=
na, Kaali and several forms. He even reached the state of nirvikalpa samadh=
i, where there is no "experience" . He was in sahaja samadhi always. He was=
able induce tremendous experience in people by mere touch or mere look. Ye=
t he was simple like a child and had zero ego (that is why he could do all =
that!!!).
=C2=A0
Many "gurus" force their dharma on their sishyas and have =
no ability to recognize the true nature and dharma of each sishya. They for=
ce sishyas to chant the mantra they chant, worship the form they worship an=
d walk the path they walk. Ramakrishna had deep insight into the true natur=
e of each sishya and gave specific instructions. He taught totally differen=
t mantras, totally different forms and totally different paths to different=
sishyas. He even taught contradictory things to different sishyas. When on=
e sishya who needed to mend his aggressive attitude roughed up somebody for=
insulting his guru, he scolded "shame on you. With your attitude, you did =
not defend your guru, but brought shame to him. You should learn to be calm=
and ignore such insults. THAT will place your guru in a good stead and not=
your aggression". When another sishya who needed to mend his soft demeanor=
ignored insults of Ramakrishna by some people and came away silently, he s=
colded him
"shame on you. Shastras say that you should kill one who insult=
s your guru. How can you ignore such wrong behavior? You should give them a=
piece of your mind."
=C2=A0
Spiritual sadhana does not mean just chanting =
a mantra=C2=A0or repeating a procedure everyday for a certain period of tim=
e. Spiritual sadhana is a continuous process by which one transforms onesel=
f from inside out and purifies oneself. That way, every action and every th=
ought=C2=A0becomes a sadhana and offers an opportunity for introspection an=
d transformation of=C2=A0internal attitude.
=C2=A0
Anyway, coming back to t=
he point, Ramakrishna is not a normal sadhaka or a normal guru. He belonged=
to a very special class of sadhakas and he was an exceptional guru to an e=
xceptional group of sishyas.
=C2=A0
Without his [indirect] blessings, I wou=
ld be a nobody and would be lower than dirt. I would not be able to say any=
thing intelligent or meaningful in spiritual matters. Those who are impress=
ed/inspired by something I write should be thankful to my guru Dr Manish Pa=
ndit and to Sri Ramakrishna for showering their grace using me as an instru=
ment and not to me.
=C2=A0
BTW, you are all free to forward my posts that y=
ou like to people who may be interested in spiritual discussions. I have no=
problem. As I said before, I am a servant distributing the wealth of a kin=
g (Mother) as asked by the minister (my guru).
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Best regards,
Narasim=
ha
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ect: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Dharma
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Dear Narasimhaji
=C2=A0
Anoth=
er wonderly inspired post by you!!!!
=C2=A0
I did not understand one line o=
f your post. You said during the time of Mahabhrata there was tremendous we=
ight on this planet. I could not completely understand what you ment by thi=
s. Is it a literal meaning of figuratative meaning?
=C2=A0
Also, could you =
tell me the name of reference of the book where Sri Ramakrishna says Yogana=
nda was Arjuna.
=C2=A0
Thank you once again for your mails which are an in=
spiration to us all.
=C2=A0
-Regards
=C2=A0Rajarshi
"This above all: to =

thine own self be true!" - Hamlet
--- On Sun, 28/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Ra=

o <pvr@charter. net> wrote:

=
Cc: s=
ivacharya@yahoogro ups.com
N=
amaste,
As Vimalananda says, dharma is indeed personal. Krishna clearly sa=
ys in
Bhagavad Geeta "Follow your own dharma. It is dangerous to follow so=
meone
else's dharma".
Following the path of dharma basically means engagi=

ng in the right
action/duty. Right action varies from person to person, fr=
om time to time
and from place to place. It is dependent on what nature ex=
pects from you,
which in turn is based on who you have been in the past, w=
hat actions you
did in the past while identifying with the action, who you=
affected in the
past (and how) with the actions that you identified with,=
what debts you
created in the process, and what mental tendencies you acc=
umulated until
now.
If, based on one's mental tendencies and karmic debts=

, nature wants a person
to kill evil persons, that becomes one's dharma. I=
f, based on one's mental
tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a perso=
n to spread the message of
uniformity of all religions, that becomes one's=
mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature wan=
ts a person to spread the
ritual of homam in the world, that becomes one's=
mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature wan=
ts a person to make a lot of
money and construct a temple, that becomes on=
e's dharma.
* * *
The dharma of a being may change from one life to anoth=

er.
At the time of Mahabharata war, it was Arjuna's dharma to kill his gur=
us,
elders and relatives. The time then was such that there was too much w=
eight
on earth and nature wanted earth to be relieved of some weight. Trem=
endous
destruction was to take place and civilization destroyed to a great=
extent,
to welcome Kali yuga and set the tone for it. Arjuna being a grea=
t warrior,
it was his dharma to facilitate that. Some people he deeply lov=
ed and
respected were on the other side and it was his dharma to kill them=
.
Ramak=
rishna Paramahamsa' s sishyas (Swami Yogananda had been Arjuna in a
previo=
us life, according to Ramakrishna) , his dharma was different in this
new =
time and place. He was born to renounce material life despite his
aristocr=
atic upbringing and live the simple life of a monk and inspire
generations=
to embrace a simple life of mental detachment and service to
others. When=
he is born again (which he has to, as per what Ramakrishna
said), his dha=
rma based on the time and place may be something else.
* * *
The tricky q=
uestion is: How does one decide what is one's dharma?
Some people have int=

erpreted Krishna's words saying "follow your own dharma
and not someone el=
se's dharma" in the light of castism. Though the concept
of caste (varna) =
has been there in Hinduism for a long time, the concept of
caste mobility =
was very much there. Valmiki was a shudra who lived by
killing birds. He b=
ecame a brahmana and a maharshi later. Vishwamitra was a
kshatrita and a p=
owerful king. He became a brahmana and and a maharshi
later. Basically var=
na shows one's aptitude. One starts off with the varna
of father, because =
that is what one is exposed to in childhood. As one
develops in life, one =
Thus, the misinterpretation o=

f Krishna's words which tells you to know your
dharma from your caste is w=
rong. Moreover, there are not just 4 dharmas in
the world. Each person has=
individual dharma.
Knowing what one's dharma is is very very very difficu=

lt. If one is pure
enough, one will *know* one's dharma. In fact, all of u=
s have a part of our
mind that tells us what our dharma is, but it is surr=
ounded by a lot of
noise from other parts of our minds which tell other th=
ings. Thus, we get
confused.
We should make the best judgment combining d=

iscrimination and intuition and
decide what is our dharma and follow it si=
ncerely. We may be err, but doing
=
a=
ctions without identification. *That* alone ensures that we are not
accumu=
lating new karmas, i.e. not increasing the load. We should not build
too m=
uch attachment to what we are doing. We should engage in the best
possible=
actions (based on our best judgment on what our dharma in the given
situa=
tion is), with as little attachment and self-identification with the
actio=
n as possible. When the action is finished, we should leave the result
to =
god. We should not think "I did it", "what will happen now", "will it
work=
" etc. Such adherence of nishkama karma yoga (unfication through
untached =
action) will simplify our ego and purify our consciousness slowly.
As we b=
ecome purer, our mind will work sharper and tell our dharma clearer.
There=
is a positive feedback here. This will slowly enable us to see our
dharma=
clearly and follow it without incurring new karmas. This is not easy,
but=
not as difficult as people think.
The bottomline is: Even if one is not f=

ollowing one's dharma, one's sense of
"this is my dharma" gets refined wit=
h time if one engages in action with
little attachment.
* * *
In decidin=
g one's dharma, one's intellect and intuition are the inputs.
Another exte=
rnal input is the words of scriptures and learned men. One can
derive one'=
s dharma from them. A special place is given to one's spiritual
master. If=
one surrenders to a spiritual master, one can take the words of
the maste=
r to determine one's dharma and follow it sincerely.
When Arjuna was confu=

sed about what his dharma was and thought killing gurus
and relatives was =
not dharma, he had a guru in Krishna who clarified his
dharma. When Narend=
ranath (Swami Vivekananda) was confused about his dharma
and wanted to ren=
ounce the world and go to a secluded place to do sadhana,
Ramakrishna Para=
mahamsa cried and prevailed upon him to stay in the material
world and do =
the work of Mother for him.
One who is not in tune with nature and does no=

t know who one is, what one's
debts are and what nature expects from one c=
an err in the judgment of what
one's dharma is. If one's guru is an elevat=
ed soul with a clear insight into
one's inner core, such a guru can give p=
erfect guidance.
* * *
Bottomline is that I (or anybody) cannot outline a=

set of principles and
declare that as the dharma. No, dharma changes from=
person to person, from
time to time and from place to place. Also, there =
are no thumbrules to find
out what one's dharma is. But, one can refine on=
e's understanding of one's
dharma by increasing internal purity. By doing =
various kinds of spiritual
sadhana (like homam, japam etc) and engaging in=
actions without much
attachment, one can slowly purify oneself and refine=
one's understanding of
Best regards,
Narasimha
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2 AM
> Namaste to all

>
> i just finished m=
y Aghora series
> Vimalanda says path of dharma is=
very personal.
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> towards it
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> re=
gards
> jitender
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<DIV> </DIV>=
<DIV>Another wonderful mail. Everyday when I open my mailbox in the mornin=

g, I keep searching for your mails. Each one is an inspiration.</DIV>
<DIV>=
</DIV>
<DIV>One more point I would like to add, I had read some books=
on Thakur in Bengali and in one there was the description of an indicident=
. Once Swamiji wanted to test Thakur. Since Thakur used to say that he coul=
d not handle money (as it represented something grossly material), Swamji d=
eliberately put a note under Thakur's pillow when Thakur was not in the roo=
m. Later when Thakur come to sleep in teh bed, he instantly got up as if in=
pain and said something is very wrong in here, Hriday, who was used to be =
there, searched the bed and found that money under his pillow. But Thakur n=
ever got offended with these things.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Infact in=
one instance, when one of his disciples had come to him for the first time=
, Thakur asked him to stay over at Dakshineshwar. At night the disciple wok=
e up and saw that Thakur was leaving the room. A doubt entered the disciple=
s mind, he thought maybe Thakur is goinfg towards the Nahabat house where S=
ri Sarada Ma used to stay. So he quitely decided to follow Thakur and see w=
here he is going, after all it maybe that Thakur used to visit the Nahabat =
secretly etc etc.. he was genuinely suspicious. Then as he left the room fo=
llowing Thakur at a distance, he saw Thakur going to the Panchvati and sitt=
ing down for meditation and there he sat for two hours.Later when Thakur ca=
me back, he told that person, who later became his disciple, that he had do=
ne very good to test Thakur. Further Thakur said, no one should accept a Gu=
ru without testing. And to see and judge a person's sprittuality he has to =
be observed when he is public and when he is alone.
There should be no dif=
erence in his words and actions. Etc etc.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ever=
y incident in Thakur's life is like an illustration of a deeper point for o=
rdianry people like us.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV>&n=
bsp;Rajarshi<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG=
><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This a=
bove all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRON=
G></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 30/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pv=
r@...></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px=
; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Narasimha =
P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Yogananda=
(Re: Dharma)<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Cc: sivacharya@yahoogr=
oups.com<BR>Date: Tuesday, 30 September, 2008, 10:18 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dy=
iv949563566>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>De=
ar Lakshmi,</FONT></DIV>
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is Kali yuga. While a really =
spiritual person must continuously try to destroy ego, so many spiritual gu=
rus are there around us with bloated egos which are easily offended at a hi=
nt of criticism or overly excited at sycophancy. Such gurus are not of much=
use.</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But how do separate the grains from the chaff=
? It is not easy, especially when there are just a few grains in the middle=
of a big pile of chaff. Astrology is useful but not that much. Astrologer'=
s mind, which makes the final judgments, works based on his/her prejudices =
and secret beliefs.</FONT></DIV>
ONT></DIV>
* *</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
ize=3D2>In the past, many great souls used intellectual discrimination and =
intuition to judge one's guru for a long time before whole-heartedly embrac=
ing one's guru. In many traditions within Hinduism, this is encouraged. You=
do not accept a guru in an impulse. You "test" your guru and take your tim=
e to accept him. But, once you accept a person as your guru, you follow him=
faithfully.</FONT></DIV>
IV>
nbsp; * *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
>If you take Narendra (Swami Vivekananda) , the celebrated disciple of Rama=
krishna Paramahamsa, he was a highly rational and skeptical young man. Thou=
gh Ramakrishna had induced a samadhi in Narendra by mere touch in their sec=
ond meeting itself, it was not enough to convince Narendra of Ramakrishna' =
s ability and purity. He thought the whole experience could just have been =
a hallucination/ hypnotism and did not jump to any conclusion. As he visite=
d Ramakrishna continuously, received love and knowledge from him and saw th=
at Ramakrishna indeed walked the walk (as opposed to just talking the talk)=
, he was slowly convinced of the purity of Ramakrishna. He then became a ti=
reless soldier who dedicated his life to carrying out the mission of his gu=
ru!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>=
<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>During the early stages, he even told Ramakrish=
na bluntly about the latter's visions of Kali, Krishna, Rama etc, "Sir, the=
y could all just be your imaginations or hallucinations" . Narendra did not=
even believe in god with a form and believed only in the formless. Ramakri=
shna was never offended at these comments.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Other si=
shyas like Joginder (Swami Yogananda) also approached Ramakrishna skeptical=
ly and tested him for a duration. These young men who surrounded Ramakrishn=
a weren't blind men led by a blind man. They were all rishis or associates =
of rishis, who were reborn together for a purpose.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
They observed Ramakrishna for a while, confirmed that he practiced what he =
preached and realized that there was a valuable lesson in each action and w=
ord of his. They took a while to realize his purity and divinity, but =
once they realized they became faithful sishyas. He accepted them, loved th=
em and taught them even before they realized his true nature and accepted h=
im fully as their guru. He knew they were skeptical and testing him, but he=
was never offended (what good is a guru who cannot recognize a worthy stud=
ent and what good is a guru whose ego is insulted at someone's skepticism).=
Once they accepted him and became faithful sishyas, each one of them was a=
lso transformed into a really pure person who takes the entire life as a sa=
dhana and maintains purity in every thought and action. Each sishya of a Ra=
makrishna was a role model in spiritual purity.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
<D=
IV>* * &nb=
sp; *</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
e=3DArial size=3D2>One whose rinas draw one towards a fake guru gets such a=
guru because that is what his karmas entitle him to. The circumstances we =
have to face are based on the previous actions. But the current action (fre=
ewill) is in our hands. If one can truly believe from the deepest cores of =
heart that one's guru is pure and like Shiva himself, follows guru blindly =
and entertains no doubt whatsoever, that WILL pay off oneday. Nature WILL b=
ring light into that person's spiritual life. It is just a matter of time.<=
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FON=
T face=3DArial size=3D2>Thus, I will not be judgmental about other gurus an=
d their sishyas. If a sishya believes in his/her guru fully, so be it. It i=
s not our business.</FONT></DIV>
ONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But, if one were to find a guru=
like Ramakrishna Paramahamsa or Ramana Maharshi or Sri Aurobindo or Srila =
Prabhupada, it is one's immense luck. However, the point I want to make is =
that having a great guru is not a guarantee of success and also having a fa=
ke guru is not a guarantee of failure!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>At the end o=
f the day, the measure of success in any sadhana is the purity generated by=
that sadhana. The measure of the purity is the effacement of ego. If ego i=
s reduced completely or eliminated, one is making progress. This can happen=
inspite of who is the guru, what one is doing etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
>When the full grace of the Supreme Being falls on a person, any medium is =
sufficient to reflect that grace.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best regards,<BR>=
Narasimha<BR>------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------=
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=3D2>Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: </FONT><A href=3D"http://www.srija=
gannath.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ht=
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<DIV style=
<DIV style=3D"BAC=
KGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dlakshmikary@yah=
oo.com href=3D"mailto:lakshmikary@..." target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow=
>Lakshmi Kary</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A titl=
e=3Dvedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom@...=
m" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A> </DIV>=
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 29, 2008 2:=

06 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [vedic-wisd=
om] Yogananda (Re: Dharma)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Hare Rama Krishna</DI=
V>
<DIV>Dear Narasimha.</DIV>
<DIV>Sorry I got my people and lineages all c=
onfused! Was reading about too many people lately.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
<DIV>Also last night I saw a =
;documentary on religious leaders, cults etc.</DIV>
<DIV>People want to see=
God so badly they are very eager to push anyone who is willing to claim to=
be special up on a pedestal.That happened with my ex , he got up there,fel=
t it wasn't right and tried to climb down, but his"disciples" didn't want h=
im to.</DIV>
<DIV>They continued to perpetuate falsehoods about his purity,=
and all sorts of cover ups.</DIV>
<DIV>God and Jesus are living in some ma=
ny places. Sometimes there are several people simultaneously claiming to be=
Jesus in any psych unit across the world/</DIV>
<DIV>Its amazing where and=
to within whom people see "God".</DIV>
<DIV>Isnt a spiritual master, guru,=
living like a mortal in all capacities while telling others how to find re=
alization sort of hypocritical and bizarre?</DIV>
<DIV>There is one fellow who used to be a heroi=
n addict and now he says he is Jesus and has a huge following. they are wil=
ling to do whatever he says and they give him money and all sorts of things=
.</DIV>
<DIV>Yesterday I went on the Internet, and looked at some many so c=
alled yogis, preachers etc</DIV>
<DIV>IN the USA I cant begin to tell you t=
he number of religious leaders that were revered as "God" or some other inc=
arnation.</DIV>
<DIV>India is no different, perhaps worse because people ha=
ve a natural respect for sadhus , yogis etc and more yogis can get away wit=
h pretending to be a renunciate.</DIV>
<DIV>I believe God appears in differ=
ent forms in different places and times to attract people who are looking f=
or him and to associate with his devotees..</DIV>
<DIV>Now that Documentary=
TV program and your posts got my mind swimming.</DIV>
<DIV>What are princi=
ples of religion? What is dharma, What is the purpose?</DIV>
<DIV>Now if th=
ere were no laws or rules, social or religious and everyone did what they f=
elt like, we would be living in a hell. At least in Kali Yuga.</DIV>
<DIV>W=
hat was the point of Jesus? Seems he got a lot of uncivilized people to wor=
k on basic codes of conduct... thou shalt not steal,lie, commit adultery et=
c.</DIV>
<DIV>Whose to say one person is a saint?.. some people(his faithfu=
l followers) couldn't understand that Charles Manson was a mad man not=
a prophet.</DIV>
<DIV>There are other "yogis" who came to USA, smoking pot=
, taking drugs,</DIV>
<DIV>and other ones advised having sex to find self r=
ealization and acquiring tons of cars and </DIV>
<DIV>helping many people t=
rade STDs.</DIV>
<DIV>Some people ADVOCate mandatory forced marriage =
of young girls AT puberty, usually to older men.. and its ok for their fath=
ers to teach them a thing or two, before being handed off.</DIV>
<DIV>One "=
saint" makes gold, but other people say he molested their young teenage son=
s..</DIV>
<DIV>In itself, being able to perform siddhis or mystic things do=
esn't make one elevated really. Maybe they have just accumulated the =
power to manipulate physical matter.</DIV>
<DIV>Unless a person is pure- it=
is hard to see who else is pure.</DIV>
<DIV>And even then, well intentione=
d people are deceived all the time.</DIV>
=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>People have given up everything they owned an=
d moved into under ground tunnels because their leader( an incarnation of t=
his or that) said the world was ending.</DIV>
<DIV>Or, time and time again,=
some swami turns out to molest kids, and or do all sorts of things when no=
one is looking..</DIV>
<DIV>"The Do as I say , don't do as I do"...<=
/DIV>
<DIV>"He is so pure he doesn't have to obey the rules like everyone e=
lse."</DIV>
<DIV>Whose to say who is pure?</DIV>
<DIV>I think someone who i=
s 100% serving their GOD day and night, at all times and practicing what th=
ey preach has got to be pure....</DIV>
<DIV>Self realization after much tho=
ught and years meditating/chanting is simple i found... its the realization=
,the complete understanding of our relationship to God and to everyth=
ing and everyone else in our conscious and unconscious universe.</DIV>
<DIV=
>But then by the time I die , I'm sure I'll have even more realizations.</D=
IV>
<DIV>There was a big article in TIME magazine with some personal letter=
of Mother Theresa that she didnt want shown publically that showed her app=
arently having doubts(privately in her heart) I guess as a way to try and d=
iscredit her.</DIV>
<DIV>Was she a saint, coming to India and pushing her v=
iews on the poor?People go in circles debating her worth .</DIV>
<DIV>And I=
guess these are the things I'm here for in this life, which is different t=
han other peoples path.</DIV>
<DIV>I keep hoping astrology can "reveal" the=
real saint the real sadhus..etc</DIV>
<DIV>Suffering helps one think about=
these things.</DIV>
<DIV>Lakshmi</DIV>
<DIV> <=
/DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@charter. net></I=
></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dreplbq style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff=
2px solid">
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>De=
ar Lakshmi,</FONT></DIV>
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Yogananda I mentioned is different.=
Swami Yogananda is one of the sixteen monastic disciples of Ramakrishna Pa=
ramahamsa, along with Swami Vivekananda. He was forced to marry, but never =
slept with his own wife. Swami Vivekananda once said "if any of us (di=
sciples of Ramakrishna) conquered lust completely and in all respects, it i=
s Joginder (Swami Yogananda)". There is no question of Swami Yogananda bein=
g accused of drinking and having women etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paramah=
amsa Yogananda is a sishya of Yukteshwar Maharaj and from the lineage of Ma=
havatar Babaji. They practice kriya yoga. I do not know much about him.</FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT f=
ace=3DArial size=3D2>* *&nb=
sp; *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The=
link you gave is about neither Swami Yogananda nor Paramahamsa Yogananda, =
but some propaganda about Ramakrishna Paramahamsa himself, based on some ba=
li he apparently gave. So I am unsure exactly who you wanted to talk about.=
.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Be=
st regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------ --------- --------- --------- ----=
----- --------- ---------<BR>Do a Short Homam Yourself: <A href=3D"http://w=
ww.vedicastrologer.org/homam" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.Ved=
icAst rologer.org/ homam</A><BR>Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <A href=3D"http=
://www.vedicastrologer.org/tarpana" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://w=
ww.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana</A><BR>Spirituality: <A href=3D"http://gro=
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: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollo=
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: <A href=3D"http://www.srijagannath.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>h=
ttp://www.SriJagan
nath.org</A><BR>------------ --------- --------- ------=
--- --------- --------- --------- <BR></DIV>
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FT: #000000 2px solid">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Mess=
age ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Fr=
om:</B> <A title=3Dlakshmikary@... href=3D"mailto:lakshmikary@yahoo.c=
om" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>Lakshmi Kary</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FO=
NT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dvedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com href=3D"=
mailto:vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-w=
isdom@ yahoogroups. com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:=
</B> Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:59 PM</DIV>
l"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Dharma</DIV>
><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FON=
T face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT fac=
e=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DI=
V>Hare Rama Krishna</DIV>
<DIV>Dear Narasimha,</DIV>
<DIV>Ive read several =
apparently derogatory things about Paramahamsa Yogananda- that he ate meat,=
drank and had women at different times. Some accounts seem very authoratat=
ive so I am inclined to believe where there is smoke there is fire.</DIV>
<=
DIV>How can we reconcil he is spiritually special when he was involved=
in some many other worldly things.?</DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://ramakrish=
nayb.blogspot.com/2008/02/95-where-is-safety-for-fish-and-goats.html" targe=
t=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://ramakrishnay b.blogspot. com/2008/ 02/95-w=
here- is-safety- for-fish- and-goats. html</A></DIV>
<DIV>Best wishes</DIV>=
<DIV>Lakshmi<BR><BR><B><I>"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@charter. net><=

/I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dreplbq style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #1010=
ff 2px solid">
<DIV>=C3=AF=C2=BB=C2=BF
<DIV><FONT fac=
e=3DArial size=3D2>Namaste,</FONT></DIV>
/FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I meant it figuratively=
.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><F=
ONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For the reference on Yogananda, you can read the =
section on Swami Yogananda in "God Lived with Them: Life Stories of Sixteen=
Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna" by Swami Chetanananda.</FONT></DIV>=
al size=3D2>* * =
*</FONT></DIV>
FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There have been many gre=
at yogis, babas, saints and swamis in the last few thousand years of Kali y=
uga. But Ramakrishna Paramahamsa stands out in one way. He is one master wh=
o mastered every single path. He mastered bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga, karma y=
oga and even raaja yoga. He worshipped and experienced Rama, Krishna, Kaali=
and several forms. He even reached the state of nirvikalpa samadhi, where =
there is no "experience" . He was in sahaja samadhi always. He was able ind=
uce tremendous experience in people by mere touch or mere look. Yet he was =
simple like a child and had zero ego (that is why he could do all that!!!).=
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FO=
NT face=3DArial size=3D2>Many "gurus" force their dharma on their sishyas a=
nd have no ability to recognize the true nature and dharma of each sishya. =
They force sishyas to chant the mantra they chant, worship the form they wo=
rship and walk the path they walk. Ramakrishna had deep insight into the tr=
ue nature of each sishya and gave specific instructions. He taught totally =
different mantras, totally different forms and totally different paths to d=
ifferent sishyas. He even taught contradictory things to different sishyas.=
When one sishya who needed to mend his aggressive attitude roughed up some=
body for insulting his guru, he scolded "shame on you. With your attitude, =
you did not defend your guru, but brought shame to him. You should learn to=
be calm and ignore such insults. THAT will place your guru in a good stead=
and not your aggression". When another sishya who needed to mend his soft =
demeanor ignored insults of Ramakrishna by some people and came
away silen=
tly, he scolded him "shame on you. Shastras say that you should kill one wh=
o insults your guru. How can you ignore such wrong behavior? You should giv=
e them a piece of your mind."</FONT></DIV>
></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Spiritual sadhana doe=
s not mean just chanting a mantra or repeating a procedure everyday fo=
r a certain period of time. Spiritual sadhana is a continuous process by wh=
ich one transforms oneself from inside out and purifies oneself. That way, =
every action and every thought becomes a sadhana and offers an opportu=
nity for introspection and transformation of internal attitude.</FONT>=
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway, coming back to the point, Ramakrishna is not a no=
rmal sadhaka or a normal guru. He belonged to a very special class of sadha=
kas and he was an exceptional guru to an exceptional group of sishyas.</FON=
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
ce=3DArial size=3D2>Without his [indirect] blessings, I would be a nobody a=
nd would be lower than dirt. I would not be able to say anything intelligen=
t or meaningful in spiritual matters. Those who are impressed/inspired by s=
omething I write should be thankful to my guru Dr Manish Pandit and to Sri =
Ramakrishna for showering their grace using me as an instrument and not to =
me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>=
<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>BTW, you are all free to forward my posts that =
you like to people who may be interested in spiritual discussions. I have n=
o problem. As I said before, I am a servant distributing the wealth of a ki=
ng (Mother) as asked by the minister (my guru).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bes=
t regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------ --------- --------- --------- -----=
---- --------- ---------<BR>Do a Short Homam Yourself: <A href=3D"http://ww=
w.vedicastrologer.org/homam" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.Vedi=
cAst rologer.org/ homam</A><BR>Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <A href=3D"http:=
//www.vedicastrologer.org/tarpana" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://ww=
w.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana</A><BR>Spirituality: <A href=3D"http://grou=
ps.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://grou=
ps. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom</A><BR>Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <A hr=
ttp://vedicastro. home.comcast. net</A><BR>Free Jyotish software (Windows):=
<A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow=
>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org</A><BR>Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:=
<A href=3D"http://www.srijagannath.org/" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>h=
ttp://www.SriJagan nath.org</A><BR>------------ --------- --------- -------=
-- --------- --------- --------- <BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Origina=
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<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"=
><B>From:</B> <A title=3Drajarshi14@... href=3D"mailto:rajarshi14@y=
ahoo.co.in" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>rajarshi nandy</A> </DIV>
<DIV s=
tyle=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dvedic-wisdom@...=
m href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofoll=
ow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A> </DIV>
"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 28, 2008 2:44 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT:=
10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Dharma</DIV>
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<DIV>Dear Narasimhaji</DI=
V>
<DIV>Another wonder=
ly inspired post by you!!!!</DIV>
nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I did not understand one line of your post. You said durin=
g the time of Mahabhrata there was tremendous weight on this planet. I coul=
d not completely understand what you ment by this. Is it a literal meaning =
of figuratative meaning?</DIV>
p;</DIV>
<DIV>Also, could you tell me the name of reference of the book whe=
re Sri Ramakrishna says Yogananda was Arjuna. </DIV>
<DIV>Thank you once again for your mails whi=
ch are an inspiration to us all.</DIV>
ONT> </DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV=
><EM><STRONG>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt=
; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This above all: to thine own self be =
true!" - Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>=
Sun, 28/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@charter. net></I></B> wrot=
e:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Na=
rasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: =
Dharma<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com<BR>Cc: sivacharya@yahoogro ups=
.com<BR>Date: Sunday, 28 September, 2008, 12:11 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv132=
6530499>
<DIV>Namaste,<BR><BR>As Vimalananda says, dha=
rma is indeed personal. Krishna clearly says in <BR>Bhagavad Geeta "Follow =
your own dharma. It is dangerous to follow someone <BR>else's dharma".<BR><=
BR>Following the path of dharma basically means engaging in the right <BR>a=
ction/duty. Right action varies from person to person, from time to time <B=
R>and from place to place. It is dependent on what nature expects from you,=
<BR>which in turn is based on who you have been in the past, what actions =
you <BR>did in the past while identifying with the action, who you affected=
in the <BR>past (and how) with the actions that you identified with, what =
debts you <BR>created in the process, and what mental tendencies you accumu=
lated until <BR>now.<BR><BR>If, based on one's mental tendencies and karmic=
debts, nature wants a person <BR>to kill evil persons, that becomes one's =
dharma. If, based on one's mental <BR>tendencies and karmic debts, nature w=
ants a person to spread
the message of <BR>uniformity of all religions, th=
at becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's <BR>mental tendencies and karmi=
c debts, nature wants a person to spread the <BR>ritual of homam in the wor=
ld, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's <BR>mental tendencies and=
karmic debts, nature wants a person to make a lot of <BR>money and constru=
ct a temple, that becomes one's dharma.<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>The dharma of a=
being may change from one life to another.<BR><BR>At the time of Mahabhara=
ta war, it was Arjuna's dharma to kill his gurus, <BR>elders and relatives.=
The time then was such that there was too much weight <BR>on earth and nat=
ure wanted earth to be relieved of some weight. Tremendous <BR>destruction =
was to take place and civilization destroyed to a great extent, <BR>to welc=
ome Kali yuga and set the tone for it. Arjuna being a great warrior, <BR>it=
was his dharma to facilitate that. Some people he deeply loved and <BR>res=
pected were on
the other side and it was his dharma to kill them.<BR><BR>W=
hen the same Arjuna was born again in the 19th century as one of <BR>Ramakr=
ishna Paramahamsa' s sishyas (Swami Yogananda had been Arjuna in a <BR>prev=
ious life, according to Ramakrishna) , his dharma was different in this <BR=
>new time and place. He was born to renounce material life despite his <BR>=
aristocratic upbringing and live the simple life of a monk and inspire <BR>=
generations to embrace a simple life of mental detachment and service to <B=
R>others. When he is born again (which he has to, as per what Ramakrishna <=
BR>said), his dharma based on the time and place may be something else.<BR>=
<BR>* * *<BR><BR>The tricky question is: How does one decide what is one's =
dharma?<BR><BR>Some people have interpreted Krishna's words saying "follow =
your own dharma <BR>and not someone else's dharma" in the light of castism.=
Though the concept <BR>of caste (varna) has been there in Hinduism for a l=
ong
time, the concept of <BR>caste mobility was very much there. Valmiki w=
as a shudra who lived by <BR>killing birds. He became a brahmana and a maha=
rshi later. Vishwamitra was a <BR>kshatrita and a powerful king. He became =
a brahmana and and a maharshi <BR>later. Basically varna shows one's aptitu=
de. One starts off with the varna <BR>of father, because that is what one i=
s exposed to in childhood. As one <BR>develops in life, one gets one's own =
varna based on what one does.<BR><BR>Thus, the misinterpretation of Krishna=
's words which tells you to know your <BR>dharma from your caste is wrong. =
Moreover, there are not just 4 dharmas in <BR>the world. Each person has in=
dividual dharma.<BR><BR>Knowing what one's dharma is is very very very diff=
icult. If one is pure <BR>enough, one will *know* one's dharma. In fact, al=
l of us have a part of our <BR>mind that tells us what our dharma is, but i=
t is surrounded by a lot of <BR>noise from other parts of our minds
which =
tell other things. Thus, we get <BR>confused.<BR><BR>We should make the bes=
t judgment combining discrimination and intuition and <BR>decide what is ou=
r dharma and follow it sincerely. We may be err, but doing <BR>the best we =
can is all that we can do!<BR><BR>More than following dharma, what is of ut=
most importance is to engage in <BR>actions without identification. *That* =
alone ensures that we are not <BR>accumulating new karmas, i.e. not increas=
ing the load. We should not build <BR>too much attachment to what we are do=
ing. We should engage in the best <BR>possible actions (based on our best j=
udgment on what our dharma in the given <BR>situation is), with as little a=
ttachment and self-identification with the <BR>action as possible. When the=
action is finished, we should leave the result <BR>to god. We should not t=
hink "I did it", "what will happen now", "will it <BR>work" etc. Such adher=
ence of nishkama karma yoga (unfication through <BR>untached
action) will =
simplify our ego and purify our consciousness slowly. <BR>As we become pure=
r, our mind will work sharper and tell our dharma clearer. <BR>There is a p=
ositive feedback here. This will slowly enable us to see our <BR>dh

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Sir
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Thanks you VERY VERY much! I had this doubt that it cannot be wh=
at it shows in the internet translation, but since I myself do not know san=
skrit I though you would be the most authentic person to ask. Thank you onc=
e again!.
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I shall try to get Sri Aurobindos translations. Thank you =
Sir.
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self be true!" - Hamlet
--- On Tue, 30/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@ch=

arter.net> wrote:

Subject: [v=
edic-wisdom] Re: Verse about cow sacrifice
Date: Tuesday, 30 September, 2008, 10:18 AM=
Namaste,
Do you really think that these internet translations are a=

ccurate? Of course
not. These are unintelligent and dumb translations at b=
est and ill-motivated
translations with a hideous agenda at worst. In eith=
er case, do bot rely on
them.
Let me reproduce the rik.
Rishi: Angirasa =
Virupa, Chhandas: Gayatri, Devata: Agni
ukShaannaaya vashaannaaya somapRî=

ShThaaya vedhase | stomairvidhemaagnay e |
RV 8-43-11 |
The translation g=
iven by Swami Satya Prakash Saraswati in the version
published by Veda Pra=
tishthana, New Delhi is: "Let us adore with hymns the
fire-divine, who is =
fed on agricultural products, dairy products, and who
bears the herbal pla=
nts on the back."
This is far more intelligent than what you quoted. Howev=

er, I am still not
satisfied. Let me give my take on it. I just meditated =
on it for a few
minutes and this is what I make of it.
* * *
(uksha =3D =
supreme, large
anna =3D matter)
ukshaannaaya =3D to one who feeds the chann=
el of domination, i.e. pingala nadi
(vasha =3D submissive, controlled, obed=
ient
anna =3D matter)
vashaannaaya =3D to one who feeds the channel of subm=
ission, i.e. ida nadi
somapRîShThaaya =3D to one who carries the nectar of=
immortality in the
middle channel, i.e. sushumna nadi
vedhase =3D to the =
one who is virtuous and great
stomaih =3D by hymns
vidhema =3D may we worsh=
ip/praise/ honor/contemplat e
agnaye =3D to fire.
MEANING: "May we contemp=

late on the fire god, who feeds the pingala nadi of
dominance and ida nadi=
of submission and virtuously carries the nectar of
immortality in the sus=
humna nadi."
PURPORT: "Fire is the transformative power. It is the basis o=

f our
existence. It is what fuels (feeds) every part of our being. The fir=
e that
burns in the sookshma sareera (subtle body) is called bhoota agni. =
This fire
feeds the pingala nadi (solar channel of the subtle body) and ca=
uses
analytical and logical abilities and aggressive instincts of dominati=
on and
control. The same bhoota agni also feeds the ida nadi (lunar channe=
l of the
subtle body) and causes submission and calmness. In modern medica=
l parlance,
we can say the same fire feeds and runs the sympathetic and pa=
rasympathetic
nervous systems and provokes the "push" and "pull" actions o=
f the push-pull
nervous system. In addition, the same bhoota agni also dri=
ves the sushumna
nadi and makes the nectar of immortality (sat-chid-ananda=
) flow in that
channel. We should contemplate the various roles played by =
this subtle fire
in our subtle body in amazement."
If I spend more time, =

I may be able to do better justice. But this is what I
understand of this =
rik as of now.
* * *
Veda is about self-knowledge and nothing less. Most =

people cannot understand
even a single verse of Veda fully in an entire li=
fe. Ignore the people who
claim to be scholars in Veda and make claims on =
what Veda says and what Veda
does not say. Secondly, time has come to dump=
all the abusive and motivated
translations of Veda.
The only translation=

/ commentary on Veda that pleased me until now is the one
by Sri Aurobindo=
. He is undoubtedly a reborn rishi. Such depth and clarity
of thinking is =
impossible otherwise.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.=
VedicAst rologer.org/ homam
Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst=
Spirituality: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- =
wisdom
Fre=
Sri Jagannath=
Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org
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F=
rom: "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14@yahoo. co.in>
To: <vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups.=
com>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Vers=
e about cow sacrifice
> Dear Narasimhaji

>
> I came across a verse in the =
Rig Veda.
>
> "11 Let us serve Agni with our hymns, Disposer, fed on ox and=
cow,"
>
>
> http://www.sacred- texts.com/ hin/rigveda/ rv08043.htm
>
> Doe=
s that mean cow sacrifice was allowed in Vedic times?
>
> Kindly enlighten =
us on the meaning of this verse.
>
> -Regards
> Rajarshi
=
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Sir</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks =
you VERY VERY much! I had this doubt that it cannot be what it shows in the=
internet translation, but since I myself do not know sanskrit I though you=
would be the most authentic person to ask. Thank you once again!.</DIV>
<D=
IV> </DIV>
<DIV>I shall try to get Sri Aurobindos translations. Thank =
you Sir.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV=
> Rajarshi<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><STR=
ONG><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"Thi=
s above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></ST=
RONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 30/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><=
;pvr@...></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: =
5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Narasim=
ha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Verse =
about cow sacrifice<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Cc: sivacharya@y=
ahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Tuesday, 30 September, 2008, 10:18 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV =
id=3Dyiv199548053>
<DIV>Namaste,<BR><BR>Do you really =
think that these internet translations are accurate? Of course <BR>not. The=
se are unintelligent and dumb translations at best and ill-motivated <BR>tr=
anslations with a hideous agenda at worst. In either case, do bot rely on <=
BR>them.<BR><BR>Let me reproduce the rik.<BR><BR>Rishi: Angirasa Virupa, Ch=
handas: Gayatri, Devata: Agni<BR><BR>ukShaannaaya vashaannaaya somapRîShTh=
aaya vedhase | stomairvidhemaagnay e | <BR>RV 8-43-11 |<BR><BR>The translat=
ion given by Swami Satya Prakash Saraswati in the version <BR>published by =
Veda Pratishthana, New Delhi is: "Let us adore with hymns the <BR>fire-divi=
ne, who is fed on agricultural products, dairy products, and who <BR>bears =
the herbal plants on the back."<BR><BR>This is far more intelligent than wh=
at you quoted. However, I am still not <BR>satisfied. Let me give my take o=
n it. I just meditated on it for a few <BR>minutes and this is what I make =
of it.<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>(uksha
=3D supreme, large<BR>anna =3D matter)<B=
R>ukshaannaaya =3D to one who feeds the channel of domination, i.e. pingala=
nadi<BR>(vasha =3D submissive, controlled, obedient<BR>anna =3D matter)<BR=
>vashaannaaya =3D to one who feeds the channel of submission, i.e. ida nadi=
<BR>somapRîShThaaya =3D to one who carries the nectar of immortality in th=
e <BR>middle channel, i.e. sushumna nadi<BR>vedhase =3D to the one who is v=
irtuous and great<BR>stomaih =3D by hymns<BR>vidhema =3D may we worship/pra=
ise/ honor/contemplat e<BR>agnaye =3D to fire.<BR><BR>MEANING: "May we cont=
emplate on the fire god, who feeds the pingala nadi of <BR>dominance and id=
a nadi of submission and virtuously carries the nectar of <BR>immortality i=
n the sushumna nadi."<BR><BR>PURPORT: "Fire is the transformative power. It=
is the basis of our <BR>existence. It is what fuels (feeds) every part of =
our being. The fire that <BR>burns in the sookshma sareera (subtle body) is=
called bhoota agni. This fire <BR>feeds the
pingala nadi (solar channel o=
f the subtle body) and causes <BR>analytical and logical abilities and aggr=
essive instincts of domination and <BR>control. The same bhoota agni also f=
eeds the ida nadi (lunar channel of the <BR>subtle body) and causes submiss=
ion and calmness. In modern medical parlance, <BR>we can say the same fire =
feeds and runs the sympathetic and parasympathetic <BR>nervous systems and =
provokes the "push" and "pull" actions of the push-pull <BR>nervous system.=
In addition, the same bhoota agni also drives the sushumna <BR>nadi and ma=
kes the nectar of immortality (sat-chid-ananda) flow in that <BR>channel. W=
e should contemplate the various roles played by this subtle fire <BR>in ou=
r subtle body in amazement."<BR><BR>If I spend more time, I may be able to =
do better justice. But this is what I <BR>understand of this rik as of now.=
<BR><BR>* * *<BR><BR>Veda is about self-knowledge and nothing less. Most pe=
ople cannot understand <BR>even a
single verse of Veda fully in an entire =
life. Ignore the people who <BR>claim to be scholars in Veda and make claim=
s on what Veda says and what Veda <BR>does not say. Secondly, time has come=
to dump all the abusive and motivated <BR>translations of Veda.<BR><BR>The=
only translation/ commentary on Veda that pleased me until now is the one =
<BR>by Sri Aurobindo. He is undoubtedly a reborn rishi. Such depth and clar=
ity <BR>of thinking is impossible otherwise.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR>Narasi=
mha<BR>------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -<BR>=
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R>Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 2:53 AM<BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Verse=
about cow sacrifice<BR><BR>> Dear
Narasimhaji<BR>><BR>> I came a=
cross a verse in the Rig Veda.<BR>><BR>> "11 Let us serve Agni with o=
ur hymns, Disposer, fed on ox and cow,"<BR>><BR>><BR>> <A href=3D"=
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv08043.htm" target=3D_blank rel=3D=
nofollow>http://www.sacred- texts.com/ hin/rigveda/ rv08043.htm</A><BR>>=
<BR>> Does that mean cow sacrifice was allowed in Vedic times?<BR>><B=
R>> Kindly enlighten us on the meaning of this verse.<BR>><BR>> -R=
egards<BR>> Rajarshi<BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></t=
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Namaste,
> Makes you wonder about the Divine connection between all these
> supremely elevated souls!
Earlier, I was exerting discretion in sharing personal accounts, but She has
been making me drop guard of late, for whatever reason. I will continue in
the same vein for a little more time.
I had a dream a couple of years ago early in the morning. In the dream,
there was a big ritual fire. My guru Manish Pandit and I were sitting in
front of the fire. He was teaching me some pranayama techniques in the
dream. Suddenly, he changed into somebody else that I could not recognize.
It was not anybody I had seen before.
I mentioned this dream to my guru after a couple of weeks. First he said he

did not know who the other person was and said he would've probably known if
I had mentioned the dream soon after it had happened. I left it there.
However, when we talked in the next weekend, he referred to my dream and
said he had an idea who it was. He gave me a name and asked me to search on
the internet for his photo and see if he was the person I saw in my dream.
It was a guru from the lineage of Paramahamsa Yogananda (before him). Though
he is apparently well-known, I was not knowledegable about this lineage and
did not see his picture before. I searched on the internet and found a
photo. Interestingly, the photo was very close to the person I saw in my
dream. The person that Manish transformed into in my dream looked like a
slightly younger version of that photo.
When I confirmed this to Manish, he only smiled and said, "Narasimha, there
are so many links between various lineages. Leave it for now."
Of course, I do not know much about kriya yoga or about the lineage of
Paramahamsa Yogananda. Our lineage of this life starts from Dattatreya. We
have a special attachment to Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and his lineage and got
a lot of our knowledge, inspiration and perhaps experience from them. We do
not have any direct link to the lineage of Paramahamsa Yogananda. But,
Manish thought there were some other indirect links. Moreover, he guessed
who I saw, even though I myself had no idea who I saw, and he guessed
correctly. That should count for something!
I will not be surprised if there are indeed subtle connections between

several lineages that seem disjoint today.
By the way, Swami Vivekananda also appeared in the prison cell of Sri
Aurobindo (who wrote brilliant commentaries on Veda and Upanishad) and
imparted him some Adwaita knowledge to Sri Aurobindo.
* * *
An interesting coincidence is that a swamiji from Puri contacted me within a

few days after I saw that photo. His guru and Paramahamsa Yogananda were
co-disciples of the same guru (Yukteshwar Maharaj). He is the keeper of
some astrological knowledge that his guru received from Yukteshwar Maharaj.
He visited me after a month, discussed that knowledge and spent a day at my
house. Thus, some small connection was made with a representative of that
lineage soon after the dream. After all, some karmik debts may have been
there...
* * *
I want to make one thing clear.
Some things I mention like this may give the impression that my guru has
some psychic abilities or siddhis. That may indeed be true. But he always
downplays those things and attaches no importance whatsoever. He says,
"Narasimha, I am a useless person and lower than dirt and capable of
nothing. It is all Her power. She is the connection between every entity in
this universe. She may choose an idiot like me as an instrument sometimes
and do something using me. I have no special abilities of any kind. Any
coincidences you find are just Her grace and not due to me."
I realized in time that this simplicity, humility and lack of ego is not
fake. I also realized that this lack of ego is what enabled him to do things
that sound impossible or difficult. In fact, I realized that many great
saints in the past were like this. Several magical things happened through
them, but they did not find any pride in them and retained their humility
and sense of surrender to their chosen form of god and believed that god
was the doer of all things and they were mere instruments.
The day you also start believing that, not for the sake of lecturing or
posturing, but from the deep cores of your heart, your sadhana will bear
fruit.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 5:54 PM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Yogananda (Re: Dharma)

wrote:
>
> Dear Lakshmi,
>
> The Yogananda I mentioned is different. Swami Yogananda is one of
the sixteen monastic disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, along with
Swami Vivekananda. He was forced to marry, but never slept with his
own wife. Swami Vivekananda once said "if any of us (disciples of
Ramakrishna) conquered lust completely and in all respects, it is
Joginder (Swami Yogananda)". There is no question of Swami Yogananda
being accused of drinking and having women etc.
>
> Paramahamsa Yogananda is a sishya of Yukteshwar Maharaj and from the
lineage of Mahavatar Babaji. They practice kriya yoga. I do not know
much about him.
For what it is worth, you can read more about Paramahamsa Yogananda in
his free+online autobiography,
here http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi
There were interesting links between Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and

Paramahamsa Yogananda:-
For example, one of the top disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa was
Mahendranath Gupta (not sure if he was one of the 16 monastic
disciples that Narasimhaji refers to) aka Master Mahasaya, who wrote
"The Gospel of Ramakrishna"
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahendranath_Gupta), and was the
sanskrit tutor to Paramahamsa Yogananda as well; the latter devoted an
entire chapter to him in his
book : http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi/Chapter_9
Elsewhere in his autobiography Paramhamsa Yogananda also mentions an

anecdote of a disciple to whom he gifted a silver cup, who as a young
man was told by Swami Vivekandana that the Guru in his life would
present him with a silver cup in the future.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi/Chapter_47
Makes you wonder about the Divine connection between all these
supremely elevated souls!
Best.

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Namaskaar to All,
on this topic, i'll also add my conviction.
As i descri=
bed in earlier post, when i wanted to learn 'Kriya Yoga',
The inspiration =
came from ParamHansa Yoganands's book. I prayed to
Babaji for that and I =
got it from Sri Sri Ravishankar.
First came Thakur in my life thro' Gospel=

, then came Autobiography of
a Yogi, Babaji, SJC and Art of Living and Fin=
ally came my Spiritual
Guru, Shri Narasimha.
What i need to convey is tha=

t I didn't join Ramakrishna Mission after
Thakur took my hold as Black Cob=
ra grasps an ignorant frog.
Babaji didn't take me to 'Self Realisation Soci=
ety of Yoagananda for
parting the knowledge of Kriya yoga to me instead he=
made
arrangements with Sri Sri Ravishankar of Art of Living. Now this
am=
ply clears that Kriya Yoga taught by Babaji and Sudarshan Kriya
Yoga by AO=
L is no different though apprently taught by two different
spiritually ori=
ented organisation. Thakur introduced me to SJC
and i met very worthy an=
d very knowledgeable scholars like Shri
Sanjay Rath, Narasimha, Ramanaraya=
n, Visti and so many others. but i
couldn't join formally the Organisation=
as it seemed to me that
Jyotish shastra has done its job for me and there=
was not much
enthusiasm left for astrology (Very Surprising as i was hype=
r for
astrology for last 12 years or so). I can not fool myself and others=
by joining and doing nothing worthwile for it. I waited & waited and
fin=
ally i was fortunate enough to get My Guru in Narasimha.
My above experien=
ces in the last 4 years tells me some real truths.
1) All the spiritual li=

ghts are connected to each other hence one
must not feel that my lineage i=
s the best and criticise others.
2) i Developed respect for All Saints, Sa=

kshaatkaris and Mumukshus
whatever lineage, religion or path they come fro=
m
3) One will finally reach to the Guru, to whom one is destined to go

an=
d that doesn't always mean that Guru comes from a very highly
celebrated o=
rganisation or is a ccelebrated persobnality. That also
doesn't mean that =
a very famous person revered as Guru by Millions is
a fake one. (Sri Sri R=
avishankar is criticised by many but i have no
doubt that he is a spiritua=
l Giant) but one must be sincere in
his/her aspiration and should take the=
responsibility of doing
Sadhanas.
4) Blind faith is not healthy unless a=

ll the doubts are dispelled and
concrete revelation is experienced.
5) In=
fluence of Thakur expanded my horizon of Tolerance. from the
childhood i b=
elieved that all the different religion are true. i was
never a fanatic an=
d Thakur Reassured it. I can go to church, Mosque
or any other religious T=
emple of different faith and always be a
Hindu by heart. I can pray to All=
ah, Jesus. but if somebody points a
AK47 at me and asks me to convert, i'l=
l die but never change. this is
how i feel. i believe. NOW THE TIME has co=
me for everybody and i
stress EVERYBODY that we must NOT ONLY RESPECT but =
truly belive that
all the different paths and ideology are true as long as=
Spiritual
destination is the prime mover thought behind them. A truly spi=
ritual
person will ask a Muslim to offer Namaz, remebmer Allah and lead a =
pious life but will NOT influence him to become Hindu and forget
Islaam. =
Same way for Christens, Buddhist and vice versa.
Forgive me for writing l=

ot of personal incidents and also going off
the track but i don't know how=
to convey this without mentioning own
life events.
thanks for baring me.=
Best Regards,
spiritually yours,
Utpal
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups=
.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...>
wrote:
>
> Namaste,
>
> > Makes yo=
u wonder about the Divine connection between all these
> > supremely elevat=
ed souls!
>
> Earlier, I was exerting discretion in sharing personal accou=
nts,
but She has
> been making me drop guard of late, for whatever reason.=
I will
continue in
> the same vein for a little more time.
>
> I had a d=
ream a couple of years ago early in the morning. In the
dream,
> there was=
a big ritual fire. My guru Manish Pandit and I were
sitting in
> front of=
the fire. He was teaching me some pranayama techniques in
the
> dream. Su=
ddenly, he changed into somebody else that I could not
recognize.
> It was=
not anybody I had seen before.
>
> I mentioned this dream to my guru afte=
r a couple of weeks. First he
said he
> did not know who the other person =
was and said he would've probably
known if
> I had mentioned the dream soo=
n after it had happened. I left it
there.
> However, when we talked in the=
next weekend, he referred to my
dream and
> said he had an idea who it wa=
s. He gave me a name and asked me to
search on
> the internet for his phot=
o and see if he was the person I saw in my
dream.
> It was a guru from the=
lineage of Paramahamsa Yogananda (before
him). Though
> he is apparently =
well-known, I was not knowledegable about this
lineage and
> did not see h=
is picture before. I searched on the internet and
found a
> photo. Interes=
tingly, the photo was very close to the person I saw
in my
> dream. The pe=
rson that Manish transformed into in my dream looked
like a
> slightly you=
nger version of that photo.
>
> When I confirmed this to Manish, he only s=
miled and
said, "Narasimha, there
> are so many links between various line=
ages. Leave it for now."
>
> Of course, I do not know much about kriya yog=
a or about the lineage
of
> Paramahamsa Yogananda. Our lineage of this lif=
e starts from
Dattatreya. We
> have a special attachment to Ramakrishna Pa=
ramahamsa and his
lineage and got
> a lot of our knowledge, inspiration an=
d perhaps experience from
them. We do
> not have any direct link to the li=
neage of Paramahamsa Yogananda.
But,
> Manish thought there were some othe=
r indirect links. Moreover, he
guessed
> who I saw, even though I myself h=
ad no idea who I saw, and he
guessed
> correctly. That should count for so=
mething!
>
> I will not be surprised if there are indeed subtle connection=
s
between
> several lineages that seem disjoint today.
>
> By the way, Sw=
ami Vivekananda also appeared in the prison cell of
Sri
> Aurobindo (who w=
rote brilliant commentaries on Veda and Upanishad)
and
> imparted him some=
Adwaita knowledge to Sri Aurobindo.
>
> * * *
>
> An inter=
esting coincidence is that a swamiji from Puri contacted me
within a
> few=
days after I saw that photo. His guru and Paramahamsa Yogananda
were
> co=
-disciples of the same guru (Yukteshwar Maharaj). He is the
keeper of
> so=
me astrological knowledge that his guru received from Yukteshwar
Maharaj.
=
> He visited me after a month, discussed that knowledge and spent a
day at=
my
> house. Thus, some small connection was made with a representative
of=
that
> lineage soon after the dream. After all, some karmik debts may have=
been
> there...
>
> * * *
>
> I want to make one thing cl=
ear.
>
> Some things I mention like this may give the impression that my
=
guru has
> some psychic abilities or siddhis. That may indeed be true. But =
he
always
> downplays those things and attaches no importance whatsoever. =
He
says,
> "Narasimha, I am a useless person and lower than dirt and capab=
le of
> nothing. It is all Her power. She is the connection between every
=
entity in
> this universe. She may choose an idiot like me as an instrument=
sometimes
> and do something using me. I have no special abilities of any=
kind.
Any
> coincidences you find are just Her grace and not due to me."
=
>
> I realized in time that this simplicity, humility and lack of ego
is =
not
> fake. I also realized that this lack of ego is what enabled him to
d=
o things
> that sound impossible or difficult. In fact, I realized that man=
y
great
> saints in the past were like this. Several magical things happen=
ed
through
> them, but they did not find any pride in them and retained th=
eir
humility
> and sense of surrender to their chosen form of god and beli=
eved
that god
> was the doer of all things and they were mere instruments.=
>
> The day you also start believing that, not for the sake of
lecturing=
or
> posturing, but from the deep cores of your heart, your sadhana will
=
bear
> fruit.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> ----------------------------=
--------------------------------------
> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://=
www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.Vedi=
cAstrologer.org/tarpana
> Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic=
-wisdom
> =
> Sri Jagan=
nath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
> ------------------=
------------------------------------------------
>
> ----- Original Messa=
ge -----
> From: "Dinesh Nambisan" <dinesh@...>
> To: <vedic-wisdom@yahoog=
roups.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 5:54 PM
> Subject: [vedic-wis=
dom] Yogananda (Re: Dharma)
>
>
> --- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "N=
arasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Lakshmi,
> >
> > The Yoga=
nanda I mentioned is different. Swami Yogananda is one of
> the sixteen mon=
astic disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, along
with
> Swami Vivekananda=
. He was forced to marry, but never slept with his
> own wife. Swami Viveka=
nanda once said "if any of us (disciples of
> Ramakrishna) conquered lust c=
ompletely and in all respects, it is
> Joginder (Swami Yogananda)". There i=
s no question of Swami Yogananda
> being accused of drinking and having wom=
en etc.
> >
> > Paramahamsa Yogananda is a sishya of Yukteshwar Maharaj and=
from
the
> lineage of Mahavatar Babaji. They practice kriya yoga. I do no=
t know
> much about him.
>
>
>
> For what it is worth, you can read more=
about Paramahamsa Yogananda
in
> his free+online autobiography,
> here ht=
tp://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi
>
> There were interes=
ting links between Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and
> Paramahamsa Yogananda:-
> =
For example, one of the top disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa was
> Mahe=
ndranath Gupta (not sure if he was one of the 16 monastic
> disciples that =
Narasimhaji refers to) aka Master Mahasaya, who wrote
> "The Gospel of Rama=
krishna"
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahendranath_Gupta), and was the
>=
sanskrit tutor to Paramahamsa Yogananda as well; the latter devoted
an
> =
entire chapter to him in his
> book :
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobi=
ography_of_a_Yogi/Chapter_9
>
> Elsewhere in his autobiography Paramhamsa =
Yogananda also mentions an
> anecdote of a disciple to whom he gifted a sil=
ver cup, who as a
young
> man was told by Swami Vivekandana that the Guru =
in his life would
> present him with a silver cup in the future.
> http://e=
n.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi/Chapter_47
>
> Makes you won=
der about the Divine connection between all these
> supremely elevated soul=
s!
>
> Best.
>

Oct 2008 07:44:21 -0000
Oct 2008 07:44:21 -0000
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:44:20 -0000
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Namaste Sir
what you said makes a lot sense and it was marvellous
but i h=
ave some small doubts
Leaving astrology aside and those who do not have a=

guru
how can they chooose a particular form of GOD
bcoz in second part of =
AGHORA, Vimalanda, said choosing right deity
is very important, as the anal=
ogy he gave of a person
who is greedy and worships LAKSHMI , may increase =
his greed
One thing more

we have so many deities that on diwali i would l=
ike to worship
Lakshmi and Kali
in navaratri (nowadays) we would worship D=
urga
on janmashtami we would fast for KRISHNA
an on MAHASHIVARATRI for SHIV=
A
like this
with hte change in festival the deity changes
though everybody=
knows GOD is ONE but it becomes difficult to get
out of this
mould and if=
i didnt worship her may be that GOD/GODDESS may become
angry
I Know,this=
is my foolishness but stiil this thing hangs in the mind
One thing more
=
Suppose if i choose a deity and something wrong happens
(materiallistically=
)
what should i consider that my deity was helping me to clear my

DEBTS/W=
RONG DEEDS
or the NATURE was telling me to change the DEITY as I am not fi=
t
for that DEITY
and sometimes you feel

o what am i doing does this re=
ally works
and one thing more
what if we go on doing our pooja and somed=

ay
something like what happened to Pt. GOPI KRISHNA JI
happens to us also
=
though he says in his book that he read a lot about yoga
and stuff like thi=
s
At any stage i do not want you people to get offended

but these are my =
doubts which are there in my mind
i will not say much now bcoz in

Swami S=
ivananda's KUNDALINI YOGA on the last page he says
"the shastras are endle=

ss and there is so much to be known
turn the gaze. draw the indriyas.still=
the mind.then
dive deep into the divine source and realise the infinite bl=
iss"
******************************************************************=
***
*
i ll give one small personal example here
around 26 or 27 dec.2007 i=
started chanting 2 mantras (one kar mala
each)
in morning and evening
an=
d on 9 january 2008 my parents met an accident
though my father suffered sm=
all injuries my mother suffred fracture
in shoulder and Leg
and she is st=

ill undergoing treatment and will have to
undergo one more operation in th=
is month
and in February and March i got placement in

2 companies (i m do=
ing MCA in india) where most of my friends have
not
even got one and let =
me tell you i m not very intelligent
so sometimes even now i consider whet=

her my choosen deity is correct
or not
so everyday in the end of my pooja=

what i ask GOD is
to help me find the right path
************************=
*********************************************
**
regards
jitender

<pvr@...> wro=
te:
>
> Namaste,
>
> > Makes you wonder about the Divine connection betwee=
n all these
> > supremely elevated souls!
>
> Earlier, I was exerting disc=
retion in sharing personal accounts,
but She has
> been making me drop gua=
rd of late, for whatever reason. I will
continue in
> the same vein for a =
little more time.
>
> I had a dream a couple of years ago early in the mor=
ning. In the
dream,
> there was a big ritual fire. My guru Manish Pandit a=
nd I were
sitting in
> front of the fire. He was teaching me some pranayam=
a techniques in
the
> dream. Suddenly, he changed into somebody else that =
I could not
recognize.
> It was not anybody I had seen before.
>
> I ment=
ioned this dream to my guru after a couple of weeks. First
he said he
> di=
d not know who the other person was and said he would've
probably known if=
> I had mentioned the dream soon after it had happened. I left it
there.
=
> However, when we talked in the next weekend, he referred to my
dream and=
> said he had an idea who it was. He gave me a name and asked me to
searc=
h on
> the internet for his photo and see if he was the person I saw in
my=
dream.
> It was a guru from the lineage of Paramahamsa Yogananda (before
=
him). Though
> he is apparently well-known, I was not knowledegable about t=
his
lineage and
> did not see his picture before. I searched on the intern=
et and
found a
> photo. Interestingly, the photo was very close to the per=
son I saw
in my
> dream. The person that Manish transformed into in my dre=
am looked
like a
> slightly younger version of that photo.
>
> When I con=
firmed this to Manish, he only smiled and
> are so=
many links between various lineages. Leave it for now."
>
> Of course, I =
do not know much about kriya yoga or about the
lineage of
> Paramahamsa Yo=
gananda. Our lineage of this life starts from
Dattatreya. We
> have a spec=
ial attachment to Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and his
lineage and got
> a lot =
of our knowledge, inspiration and perhaps experience from
them. We do
> no=
t have any direct link to the lineage of Paramahamsa Yogananda.
But,
> Man=
ish thought there were some other indirect links. Moreover, he
guessed
> w=
ho I saw, even though I myself had no idea who I saw, and he
guessed
> cor=
rectly. That should count for something!
>
> I will not be surprised if th=
ere are indeed subtle connections
between
> several lineages that seem dis=
joint today.
>
> By the way, Swami Vivekananda also appeared in the prison=
cell of
Sri
> Aurobindo (who wrote brilliant commentaries on Veda and Upa=
nishad)
and
> imparted him some Adwaita knowledge to Sri Aurobindo.
>
> *=
* *
>
> An interesting coincidence is that a swamiji from P=
uri contacted
me within a
> few days after I saw that photo. His guru and =
Paramahamsa
Yogananda were
> co-disciples of the same guru (Yukteshwar Mah=
araj). He is the
keeper of
> some astrological knowledge that his guru rec=
eived from Yukteshwar
Maharaj.
> He visited me after a month, discussed th=
at knowledge and spent a
day at my
> house. Thus, some small connection wa=
s made with a representative
of that
> lineage soon after the dream. After=
all, some karmik debts may
have been
> there...
>
> * * *
=
>
> I want to make one thing clear.
>
> Some things I mention like this m=
ay give the impression that my
guru has
> some psychic abilities or siddhi=
s. That may indeed be true. But he
always
> downplays those things and att=
aches no importance whatsoever. He
says,
> "Narasimha, I am a useless pers=
on and lower than dirt and capable
of
> nothing. It is all Her power. She =
is the connection between every
entity in
> this universe. She may choose =
an idiot like me as an instrument
sometimes
> and do something using me. I=
have no special abilities of any
kind. Any
> coincidences you find are ju=
st Her grace and not due to me."
>
> I realized in time that this simplici=
ty, humility and lack of ego
is not
> fake. I also realized that this lack=
of ego is what enabled him to
do things
> that sound impossible or diffic=
ult. In fact, I realized that many
great
> saints in the past were like th=
is. Several magical things happened
through
> them, but they did not find =
any pride in them and retained their
humility
> and sense of surrender to =
their chosen form of god and believed
that god
> was the doer of all thing=
s and they were mere instruments.
>
> The day you also start believing tha=
t, not for the sake of
lecturing or
> posturing, but from the deep cores o=
f your heart, your sadhana
will bear
> fruit.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasim=
ha
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Do Pitri T=
arpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
> Spirituality: ht=
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agannath.org
> ------------------------------------------------------------=
------
>
> From: "Dinesh Nambisan" <dines=
h@...>
> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2=
008 5:54 PM
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Yogananda (Re: Dharma)
>
>
> --- In=
vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>
> wrote:
> >
>=
> Dear Lakshmi,
> >
> > The Yogananda I mentioned is different. Swami Yoga=
nanda is one of
> the sixteen monastic disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa=
, along
with
> Swami Vivekananda. He was forced to marry, but never slept =
with his
> own wife. Swami Vivekananda once said "if any of us (disciples o=
f
> Ramakrishna) conquered lust completely and in all respects, it is
> Jog=
inder (Swami Yogananda)". There is no question of Swami
Yogananda
> being =
> >
> > Paramahamsa Yogananda is =
a sishya of Yukteshwar Maharaj and from
the
> lineage of Mahavatar Babaji.=
They practice kriya yoga. I do not
know
> much about him.
>
>
>
> For =
what it is worth, you can read more about Paramahamsa
Yogananda in
> his f=
ree+online autobiography,
> here http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiograph=
y_of_a_Yogi
>
> There were interesting links between Ramakrishna Paramaham=
sa and
> Paramahamsa Yogananda:-
> For example, one of the top disciples of=
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
was
> Mahendranath Gupta (not sure if he was one =
of the 16 monastic
> disciples that Narasimhaji refers to) aka Master Mahas=
aya, who
wrote
> "The Gospel of Ramakrishna"
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wi=
ki/Mahendranath_Gupta), and was the
> sanskrit tutor to Paramahamsa Yoganan=
da as well; the latter
devoted an
> entire chapter to him in his
> book : =
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi/Chapter_9
>
> Elsew=
here in his autobiography Paramhamsa Yogananda also mentions
an
> anecdote=
of a disciple to whom he gifted a silver cup, who as a
young
> man was to=
ld by Swami Vivekandana that the Guru in his life would
> present him with =
a silver cup in the future.
> http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_o=
f_a_Yogi/Chapter_47
>
> Makes you wonder about the Divine connection betwe=
en all these
> supremely elevated souls!
>
> Best.
>
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Namaste,
Choosing the right deity for sadhana is important. If you do not know the
right deity, just doing some sadhana is definitely better than waiting. Pick
whatever deity seems natural to you and do sadhana.
Please remember that sadhana for spiritual progress is different from

sadhana for specific material benefits. No matter which deity you worship,
sadhana performed for spiritual progress never goes waste. However,
sometimes it may be necessary to experience the results of some bad karmas
before some good things happen. Imagine all your karmas lying in a pile in a
basket. Suppose some of the really good karmas that will enable you to do
serious sadhana and experience great things lie at the bottom or middle of
the pile. When you start sadhana, suppose god decides to give you the fruits
of those auspicious karmas. Imagine him reaching into the pile and
retrieving those karmas. In the process, some other karmas may spill over
and give their fruits. Some of those may be undesirable. So what? They had
to be experienced sometime or the other, anyway!
A serious sadhaka should never be disheartened by a few seemingly

undesirable results after starting a spiritual sadhana. Just keep going.
One gentleman I know received mantra for Kaali from a very good
priest-cum-yogi in late 2005. After he did the mantra for a few days, he was
laid off and lost his job. He was not perturbed. He continued his sadhana
and used the break to go on an extended trip to India and make a pilgrimage
to some nice places. He participated in the Shata Chandi homam we conducted
at the Kaalikambal temple in Chennai in March 2006. He met my guru and got
the opportunity to be his room mate for a week when we stayed at the house
of a priest during the homam. He could observe and interact with my guru
very closely. Most importantly, when my guru had a vision of the Mother on
2006 March 3 afternoon, in which She told him to start the work on spreading
homam in the world, this gentleman was present there. Though he could not
see the Mother, he actually smelled something out of the world and was
baffled. He knew something was going on, but did not know what. The temple
was closed at the time and my guru and this gentlemen were the only people
on the premises when the Mother appeared. Even though he could not see the
Mother, it was most fortunate of him to be present there at *that* crucial
moment. That is enough to mould the rest of his life.
You never know how, when and where the grace of god falls on you.
Calculations and logic are useless when it comes to the grace of god. Just
surrender and keep doing whatever sadhana you picked. If it needs
fine-tuning, somebody will appear to tell you that. Any bad things that
happen when doing a spiritual sadhana should be viewed as nature settling
some debts so that you are prepared to receive the fruits of some really
auspicious karmas.
As Shirdi Sai Baba says, you should have "sraddha and saburi". Have devotion
and patience. There is no limit to what you can get then.
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------

> Namaste Sir
> what you said makes a lot sense and it was marvellous
> but i have some small doubts
>
> Leaving astrology aside and those who do not have a guru
> how can they chooose a particular form of GOD
> bcoz in second part of AGHORA, Vimalanda, said choosing right deity
> is very important, as the analogy he gave of a person
> who is greedy and worships LAKSHMI , may increase his greed
>
> One thing more
> we have so many deities that on diwali i would like to worship
> Lakshmi and Kali
> in navaratri (nowadays) we would worship Durga
> on janmashtami we would fast for KRISHNA
> an on MAHASHIVARATRI for SHIVA
> like this
> with hte change in festival the deity changes
>
> though everybody knows GOD is ONE but it becomes difficult to get
> out of this
> mould and if i didnt worship her may be that GOD/GODDESS may become
> angry
>
> I Know,this is my foolishness but stiil this thing hangs in the mind
>
> One thing more
>
> Suppose if i choose a deity and something wrong happens
> (materiallistically)
>
> what should i consider that my deity was helping me to clear my
> DEBTS/WRONG DEEDS
> or the NATURE was telling me to change the DEITY as I am not fit
> for that DEITY
>
> and sometimes you feel
> o what am i doing does this really works
>
> and one thing more
>
> what if we go on doing our pooja and someday
> something like what happened to Pt. GOPI KRISHNA JI
> happens to us also
> though he says in his book that he read a lot about yoga
> and stuff like this
>
> At any stage i do not want you people to get offended
> but these are my doubts which are there in my mind
>
> i will not say much now bcoz in
> Swami Sivananda's KUNDALINI YOGA on the last page he says
>
> "the shastras are endless and there is so much to be known
> turn the gaze. draw the indriyas.still the mind.then
> dive deep into the divine source and realise the infinite bliss"
>
> *********************************************************************
> *
> i ll give one small personal example here
>
> around 26 or 27 dec.2007 i started chanting 2 mantras (one kar mala
> each)
> in morning and evening
> and on 9 january 2008 my parents met an accident
> though my father suffered small injuries my mother suffred fracture
> in shoulder and Leg
>
> and she is still undergoing treatment and will have to
> undergo one more operation in this month
>
> and in February and March i got placement in
> 2 companies (i m doing MCA in india) where most of my friends have
> not
> even got one and let me tell you i m not very intelligent
>
> so sometimes even now i consider whether my choosen deity is correct
> or not
>
> so everyday in the end of my pooja what i ask GOD is
> to help me find the right path
> *********************************************************************
> **
>
> regards
> jitender
>
> <pvr@...> wrote:
>>
>> Namaste,
>>
>> > Makes you wonder about the Divine connection between all these
>> > supremely elevated souls!
>>
>> Earlier, I was exerting discretion in sharing personal accounts,
> but She has
>> been making me drop guard of late, for whatever reason. I will
> continue in
>> the same vein for a little more time.
>>
>> I had a dream a couple of years ago early in the morning. In the
> dream,
>> there was a big ritual fire. My guru Manish Pandit and I were
> sitting in
>> front of the fire. He was teaching me some pranayama techniques in
> the
>> dream. Suddenly, he changed into somebody else that I could not
> recognize.
>> It was not anybody I had seen before.
>>
>> I mentioned this dream to my guru after a couple of weeks. First
> he said he
>> did not know who the other person was and said he would've
> probably known if
>> I had mentioned the dream soon after it had happened. I left it
> there.
>> However, when we talked in the next weekend, he referred to my
> dream and
>> said he had an idea who it was. He gave me a name and asked me to
> search on
>> the internet for his photo and see if he was the person I saw in
> my dream.
>> It was a guru from the lineage of Paramahamsa Yogananda (before
> him). Though
>> he is apparently well-known, I was not knowledegable about this
> lineage and
>> did not see his picture before. I searched on the internet and
> found a
>> photo. Interestingly, the photo was very close to the person I saw
> in my
>> dream. The person that Manish transformed into in my dream looked
> like a
>> slightly younger version of that photo.
>>
>> When I confirmed this to Manish, he only smiled and
> said, "Narasimha, there
>> are so many links between various lineages. Leave it for now."
>>
>> Of course, I do not know much about kriya yoga or about the
> lineage of
>> Paramahamsa Yogananda. Our lineage of this life starts from
> Dattatreya. We
>> have a special attachment to Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and his
> lineage and got
>> a lot of our knowledge, inspiration and perhaps experience from
> them. We do
>> not have any direct link to the lineage of Paramahamsa Yogananda.
> But,
>> Manish thought there were some other indirect links. Moreover, he
> guessed
>> who I saw, even though I myself had no idea who I saw, and he
> guessed
>> correctly. That should count for something!
>>
>> I will not be surprised if there are indeed subtle connections
> between
>> several lineages that seem disjoint today.
>>
>> By the way, Swami Vivekananda also appeared in the prison cell of
> Sri
>> Aurobindo (who wrote brilliant commentaries on Veda and Upanishad)
> and
>> imparted him some Adwaita knowledge to Sri Aurobindo.
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> An interesting coincidence is that a swamiji from Puri contacted
> me within a
>> few days after I saw that photo. His guru and Paramahamsa
> Yogananda were
>> co-disciples of the same guru (Yukteshwar Maharaj). He is the
> keeper of
>> some astrological knowledge that his guru received from Yukteshwar
> Maharaj.
>> He visited me after a month, discussed that knowledge and spent a
> day at my
>> house. Thus, some small connection was made with a representative
> of that
>> lineage soon after the dream. After all, some karmik debts may
> have been
>> there...
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> I want to make one thing clear.
>>
>> Some things I mention like this may give the impression that my
> guru has
>> some psychic abilities or siddhis. That may indeed be true. But he
> always
>> downplays those things and attaches no importance whatsoever. He
> says,
>> "Narasimha, I am a useless person and lower than dirt and capable
> of
>> nothing. It is all Her power. She is the connection between every
> entity in
>> this universe. She may choose an idiot like me as an instrument
> sometimes
>> and do something using me. I have no special abilities of any
> kind. Any
>> coincidences you find are just Her grace and not due to me."
>>
>> I realized in time that this simplicity, humility and lack of ego
> is not
>> fake. I also realized that this lack of ego is what enabled him to
> do things
>> that sound impossible or difficult. In fact, I realized that many
> great
>> saints in the past were like this. Several magical things happened
> through
>> them, but they did not find any pride in them and retained their
> humility
>> and sense of surrender to their chosen form of god and believed
> that god
>> was the doer of all things and they were mere instruments.
>>
>> The day you also start believing that, not for the sake of
> lecturing or
>> posturing, but from the deep cores of your heart, your sadhana
> will bear
>> fruit.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Narasimha
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: "Dinesh Nambisan" <dinesh@...>
>> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 5:54 PM
>> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Yogananda (Re: Dharma)
>>
>>
>> --- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Lakshmi,
>> >
>> > The Yogananda I mentioned is different. Swami Yogananda is one of
>> the sixteen monastic disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, along
> with
>> Swami Vivekananda. He was forced to marry, but never slept with his
>> own wife. Swami Vivekananda once said "if any of us (disciples of
>> Ramakrishna) conquered lust completely and in all respects, it is
>> Joginder (Swami Yogananda)". There is no question of Swami
> Yogananda
>> being accused of drinking and having women etc.
>> >
>> > Paramahamsa Yogananda is a sishya of Yukteshwar Maharaj and from
> the
>> lineage of Mahavatar Babaji. They practice kriya yoga. I do not
> know
>> much about him.
>>
>>
>>
>> For what it is worth, you can read more about Paramahamsa
> Yogananda in
>> his free+online autobiography,
>> here http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi
>>
>> There were interesting links between Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and
>> Paramahamsa Yogananda:-
>> For example, one of the top disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
> was
>> Mahendranath Gupta (not sure if he was one of the 16 monastic
>> disciples that Narasimhaji refers to) aka Master Mahasaya, who
> wrote
>> "The Gospel of Ramakrishna"
>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahendranath_Gupta), and was the
>> sanskrit tutor to Paramahamsa Yogananda as well; the latter
> devoted an
>> entire chapter to him in his
>> book :
> http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi/Chapter_9
>>
>> Elsewhere in his autobiography Paramhamsa Yogananda also mentions
> an
>> anecdote of a disciple to whom he gifted a silver cup, who as a
> young
>> man was told by Swami Vivekandana that the Guru in his life would
>> present him with a silver cup in the future.
>> http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi/Chapter_47
>>
>> Makes you wonder about the Divine connection between all these
>> supremely elevated souls!
>>
>> Best.

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Dear Narsimhaji, You mentioned the appearance of mother before you. Can you=
kindly clarify which mother? you mean Sharda devi (Thakurain Ma) or Goddes=
s Durga ? Kindly answer this immediately as I am excited to know this trutt=
h about homa.
Dr.Ashwin Rawal
--- On Thu, 2/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <=

pvr@...> wrote:
Subjec=
t: [vedic-wisdom] Right deity and sadhana (Re: Yogananda)
To: vedic-wisdom@=
yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 2 October, 2=
008, 4:21 AM
Namaste,
Choosing the right deit=

y for sadhana is important. If you do not know the
right deity, just doin=

g some sadhana is definitely better than waiting. Pick
whatever deity see=

ms natural to you and do sadhana.
Please remember that sadhana for spiri=

tual progress is different from
sadhana for specific material benefits. N=

o matter which deity you worship,
sadhana performed for spiritual progres=

s never goes waste. However,
sometimes it may be necessary to experience =

the results of some bad karmas
before some good things happen. Imagine al=

l your karmas lying in a pile in a
basket. Suppose some of the really goo=

d karmas that will enable you to do
serious sadhana and experience great =

things lie at the bottom or middle of
the pile. When you start sadhana, s=

uppose god decides to give you the fruits
of those auspicious karmas. Ima=

gine him reaching into the pile and
retrieving those karmas. In the proce=

ss, some other karmas may spill over
and give their fruits. Some of those=

may be undesirable. So what? They had
to be experienced sometime or the =

other, anyway!
A serious sadhaka should never be disheartened by a few s=

eemingly
undesirable results after starting a spiritual sadhana. Just kee=

p going.
One gentleman I know received mantra for Kaali from a very good=
priest-cum-yogi in late 2005. After he did the mantra for a few days, he=
was
laid off and lost his job. He was not perturbed. He continued his sa=
dhana
and used the break to go on an extended trip to India and make a pi=
lgrimage
to some nice places. He participated in the Shata Chandi homam w=

e conducted
at the Kaalikambal temple in Chennai in March 2006. He met my=

guru and got
the opportunity to be his room mate for a week when we stay=

ed at the house
of a priest during the homam. He could observe and intera=

ct with my guru
very closely. Most importantly, when my guru had a vision=

of the Mother on
2006 March 3 afternoon, in which She told him to start =

the work on spreading
homam in the world, this gentleman was present ther=

e. Though he could not
see the Mother, he actually smelled something out =

of the world and was
baffled. He knew something was going on, but did not=

know what. The temple
was closed at the time and my guru and this gentle=

men were the only people
on the premises when the Mother appeared. Even t=

hough he could not see the
Mother, it was most fortunate of him to be pre=

sent there at *that* crucial
moment. That is enough to mould the rest of =

his life.
You never know how, when and where the grace of god falls on y=
ou.
Calculations and logic are useless when it comes to the grace of god.=
Just

=
fine-tuning, somebody will appear to tell you that. Any bad things that
=
happen when doing a spiritual sadhana should be viewed as nature settling
=
some debts so that you are prepared to receive the fruits of some really
=
auspicious karmas.
As Shirdi Sai Baba says, you should have "sraddha an=

d saburi". Have devotion
and patience. There is no limit to what you can =

get then.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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=
> Namaste Sir

> =
but i have some small doubts
>
> Leaving astrology aside and those who do=

not have a guru
> bcoz i=
n second part of AGHORA, Vimalanda, said choosing right deity
> is very im=

portant, as the analogy he gave of a person
> who is greedy and worships L=

AKSHMI , may increase his greed
>
> One thing more
> we have so many dei=

ties that on diwali i would like to worship
> Lakshmi and Kali
> in nava=
ratri (nowadays) we would worship Durga
> on janmashtami we would fast for=

KRISHNA
> like this
> with hte change =

in festival the deity changes
>
> though everybody knows GOD is ONE but i=

t becomes difficult to get
> out of this
> mould and if i didnt worship h=

er may be that GOD/GODDESS may become
> angry
>
> I Know,this is my fool=

ishness but stiil this thing hangs in the mind
>
> One thing more
>
> S=
uppose if i choose a deity and something wrong happens
> (materiallistical=
ly )
>

=
> DEBTS/WRONG DEEDS
> or the NATURE was telling me to change the DEITY as=

I am not fit
> for that DEITY
>
> o what am =
i doing does this really works
>
>
> what if we go=

on doing our pooja and someday
> something like what happened to Pt. GOPI=

KRISHNA JI
> though he says in his book that he rea=

d a lot about yoga
>
> At any stage i do not want =

you people to get offended
> but these are my doubts which are there in my=

mind
>
> Swami Sivananda's KUNDALINI =

YOGA on the last page he says
>
> "the shastras are endless and there is =

so much to be known
> turn the gaze. draw the indriyas.still the mind.then=
>
> =
************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* **=
*
> *
>
> around 26 or 27 d=
ec.2007 i started chanting 2 mantras (one kar mala
> each)
> in morning a=
nd evening
> though my=

father suffered small injuries my mother suffred fracture
> in shoulder a=
nd Leg
>
> and she is still undergoing treatment and will have to
> unde=
rgo one more operation in this month
>
> and in February and March i got =

placement in
> 2 companies (i m doing MCA in india) where most of my frien=

ds have
> not
> even got one and let me tell you i m not very intelligent=
>
> so sometimes even now i consider whether my choosen deity is correct=
> or not
>
> to=
help me find the right path
> ************ ********* ********* ********* =

********* ********* ********* ***
> **
>
> regards
> jitender
>
> ---=
In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
> <pvr@...> wro=

te:
>>
>> Namaste,
>>
>> > Makes you wonder about the Divine connection=

between all these
>>
>> Earlier, I was e=

xerting discretion in sharing personal accounts,
> but She has
>> been ma=

king me drop guard of late, for whatever reason. I will
> continue in
>> =
the same vein for a little more time.
>>
>> I had a dream a couple of yea=

rs ago early in the morning. In the
> dream,
>> there was a big ritual fi=

re. My guru Manish Pandit and I were
> sitting in
>> front of the fire. H=

e was teaching me some pranayama techniques in
> the
>> dream. Suddenly, =

he changed into somebody else that I could not
> recognize.
>> It was not=

anybody I had seen before.
>>
>> I mentioned this dream to my guru after=

a couple of weeks. First
> he said he
>> did not know who the other pers=

on was and said he would've
> probably known if
>> I had mentioned the dr=

eam soon after it had happened. I left it
> there.
>> However, when we ta=

lked in the next weekend, he referred to my
> dream and
>> said he had an=

idea who it was. He gave me a name and asked me to
> search on
>> the in=
ternet for his photo and see if he was the person I saw in
> my dream.
>>=
It was a guru from the lineage of Paramahamsa Yogananda (before
> him). T=
hough
=
> lineage and
>> did not see his picture before. I searched on the interne=
t and
> found a
>> photo. Interestingly, the photo was very close to the =

person I saw
> in my
>> dream. The person that Manish transformed into in=

my dream looked
> like a
>>
=
> said, "Narasimha=

, there
=
>>
>> Of course, I do not know much about kriya yoga or about the
> line=
age of
> D=
attatreya. We
>> have a special attachment to Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and =

his
> lineage and got
>> a lot of our knowledge, inspiration and perhaps =

experience from
> them. We do
>> not have any direct link to the lineage =

of Paramahamsa Yogananda.
> But,
>> Manish thought there were some other =

indirect links. Moreover, he
> guessed
>> who I saw, even though I myself=

had no idea who I saw, and he
> guessed
>> correctly. That should count =

for something!
>>
>> I will not be surprised if there are indeed subtle c=

onnections
> between
>> several lineages that seem disjoint today.
>>
>=
> By the way, Swami Vivekananda also appeared in the prison cell of
> Sri
=
> a=
nd
>>
>> * =
* *
>>
>> An interesting coincidence is that a swamiji from Pur=

i contacted
> me within a
>> few days after I saw that photo. His guru an=
d Paramahamsa
> Yogananda were
>> co-disciples of the same guru (Yukteshw=

ar Maharaj). He is the
> keeper of
>> some astrological knowledge that hi=

s guru received from Yukteshwar
> Maharaj.
>> He visited me after a month=

, discussed that knowledge and spent a
> day at my
>> house. Thus, some s=

mall connection was made with a representative
> of that
>> lineage soon =

after the dream. After all, some karmik debts may
> have been
>> there...=
>>
>> * * *
>>
>>
>=
> guru h=
as
>> some psychic abilities or siddhis. That may indeed be true. But he
=
> always
>> downplays those things and attaches no importance whatsoever. =

He
> says,
>> "Narasimha, I am a useless person and lower than dirt and c=

apable
> of
>> nothing. It is all Her power. She is the connection betwee=

n every
> entity in
>> this universe. She may choose an idiot like me as =

an instrument
> sometimes
>> and do something using me. I have no special=

abilities of any
> kind. Any
>> coincidences you find are just Her grace=

and not due to me."
>>
>> I realized in time that this simplicity, humil=

ity and lack of ego
> is not
>> fake. I also realized that this lack of e=

go is what enabled him to
> do things
>> that sound impossible or difficu=

lt. In fact, I realized that many
> great
>> saints in the past were like=

this. Several magical things happened
> through
>> them, but they did no=

t find any pride in them and retained their
> humility
>> and sense of su=

rrender to their chosen form of god and believed
> that god
>> was the do=

er of all things and they were mere instruments.
>>
>> The day you also s=

tart believing that, not for the sake of
> lecturing or
>> posturing, but=

from the deep cores of your heart, your sadhana
> will bear
>> fruit.
>=
>
>> Best regards,
>> Narasimha
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>>
>> -----=
>> To: <=

vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 5:54 P=

M

>>
>>
>> --- In ved=

ic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>
>> wrote:
>> >=
>> > Dear Lakshmi,
>> >
>> > The Yogananda I mentioned is different. Sw=

ami Yogananda is one of
>> the sixteen monastic disciples of Ramakrishna P=

aramahamsa, along
> with
>> Swami Vivekananda. He was forced to marry, bu=

t never slept with his
>> own wife. Swami Vivekananda once said "if any of=
us (disciples of
>> Ramakrishna) conquered lust completely and in all res=

pects, it is
>> Joginder (Swami Yogananda)". There is no question of Swami=
> Yogananda
>> >
>>=
> Paramahamsa Yogananda is a sishya of Yukteshwar Maharaj and from
> the
=
> know=
>> much about him.
>>
>>
>>
>> For what it is worth, you can read mor=

e about Paramahamsa
> Yogananda in
>> =
here http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/ Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi
>>
>> There=
were interesting links between Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and
>> Paramahamsa=
Yogananda:-
>> For example, one of the top disciples of Ramakrishna Param=

ahamsa
> was
>> Mahendranath Gupta (not sure if he was one of the 16 mona=

stic
> =
wrote
>> (http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ M=

ahendranath_ Gupta), and was the
>> sanskrit tutor to Paramahamsa Yoganand=

a as well; the latter
> devoted an
>> bo=
ok :
> http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/ Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi/ Chapter_9=
>>
>> Elsewhere in his autobiography Paramhamsa Yogananda also mentions

=
> an
=
> young
>> man was told by Swami Vivekandana that the Guru in his life wou=
ld
>> http://en.wikisourc=
e.org/wiki/ Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi/ Chapter_47
>>
>> Makes you wonder =

about the Divine connection between all these
>> supremely elevated souls!=
>>
>> Best.
Add m=
ore friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/i=
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;">Dear Narsimhaji, You mentioned the appearance=
of mother before you. Can you kindly clarify which mother? you mean Sharda=
devi (Thakurain Ma) or Goddess Durga ? Kindly answer this immediately as I=
am excited to know this trutth about homa.<br><br><font color=3D"#212143" =
face=3D"comic sans ms"><strong>Dr.Ashwin Rawal</strong></font><br><br>--- O=
n <b>Thu, 2/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <i><pvr@...></i></b> =
wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); mar=
gin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@chart=
er.net><br>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Right deity and sadhana (Re: Yoganand=
a)<br>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<br>Cc: sivacharya@yahoogroups.com<br=
>Date: Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 4:21 AM<br><br><div id=3D"yiv51761517">
<div id=3D"ygrp-text">
<p>Namaste,<br>
<br>
Choosing th=
e right deity for sadhana is important. If you do not know the <br>
right d=
eity, just doing some sadhana is definitely better than waiting. Pick <br>
=
whatever deity seems natural to you and do sadhana.<br>
<br>
Please remembe=
r that sadhana for spiritual progress is different from <br>
sadhana for sp=
ecific material benefits. No matter which deity you worship, <br>
sadhana p=
erformed for spiritual progress never goes waste. However, <br>
sometimes i=
t may be necessary to experience the results of some bad karmas <br>
before=
some good things happen. Imagine all your karmas lying in a pile in a <br>=
basket. Suppose some of the really good karmas that will enable you to do =
<br>
serious sadhana and experience great things lie at the bottom or middl=
e of <br>
the pile. When you start sadhana, suppose god decides to give you=
the fruits <br>
of those auspicious karmas. Imagine him reaching into the =
pile and <br>
retrieving those karmas. In the process, some other karmas ma=
y spill over <br>
and give their fruits. Some of those may be undesirable. =
So what? They had <br>
to be experienced sometime or the other, anyway!<br>=
<br>
A serious sadhaka should never be disheartened by a few seemingly <br=
>
undesirable results after starting a spiritual sadhana. Just keep going.<=
br>
<br>
One gentleman I know received mantra for Kaali from a very good <b=
r>
priest-cum-yogi in late 2005. After he did the mantra for a few days, he=
was <br>
laid off and lost his job. He was not perturbed. He continued his=
sadhana <br>
and used the break to go on an extended trip to India and mak=
e a pilgrimage <br>
to some nice places. He participated in the Shata Chand=
i homam we conducted <br>
at the Kaalikambal temple in Chennai in March 200=
6. He met my guru and got <br>
the opportunity to be his room mate for a we=
ek when we stayed at the house <br>
of a priest during the homam. He could =
observe and interact with my guru <br>
very closely. Most importantly, when=
my guru had a vision of the Mother on <br>
2006 March 3 afternoon, in whic=
h She told him to start the work on spreading <br>
homam in the world, this=
gentleman was present there. Though he could not <br>
see the Mother, he a=
ctually smelled something out of the world and was <br>
baffled. He knew so=
mething was going on, but did not know what. The temple <br>
was closed at =
the time and my guru and this gentlemen were the only people <br>
on the pr=
emises when the Mother appeared. Even though he could not see the <br>
Moth=
er, it was most fortunate of him to be present there at *that* crucial <br>=
moment. That is enough to mould the rest of his life.<br>

<br>
You never k=
now how, when and where the grace of god falls on you. <br>
Calculations an=
d logic are useless when it comes to the grace of god. Just <br>
surrender =
and keep doing whatever sadhana you picked. If it needs <br>
fine-tuning, s=
omebody will appear to tell you that. Any bad things that <br>
happen when =
doing a spiritual sadhana should be viewed as nature settling <br>
some deb=
ts so that you are prepared to receive the fruits of some really <br>
auspi=
cious karmas.<br>
<br>
As Shirdi Sai Baba says, you should have "sraddha an=
d saburi". Have devotion <br>
and patience. There is no limit to what you c=
an get then.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Narasimha<br>
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----- Original Message ----- <br>
> Namaste Sir<br>
> what you =
said makes a lot sense and it was marvellous<br>
> but i have some small=
doubts<br>
><br>
> Leaving astrology aside and those who do not have=
a guru<br>
> how can they chooose a particular form of GOD<br>
> bco=
z in second part of AGHORA, Vimalanda, said choosing right deity<br>
> i=
s very important, as the analogy he gave of a person<br>
> who is greedy=
and worships LAKSHMI , may increase his greed<br>
><br>
> One thing =
more<br>
> we have so many deities that on diwali i would like to worsh=
ip<br>
> Lakshmi and Kali<br>
> in navaratri (nowadays) we would wors=
hip Durga<br>
> on janmashtami we would fast for KRISHNA<br>
> an on =
MAHASHIVARATRI for SHIVA<br>
> like this<br>
> with hte change in fes=
tival the deity changes<br>
><br>
> though everybody knows GOD is ONE=
but it becomes difficult to get<br>
> out of this<br>
> mould and if=
i didnt worship her may be that GOD/GODDESS may become<br>
> angry<br>
=
><br>
> I Know,this is my foolishness but stiil this thing hangs in t=
he mind<br>
><br>
> One thing more<br>
><br>
> Suppose if i cho=
ose a deity and something wrong happens<br>
> (materiallistically )<br>
=
><br>
> what should i consider that my deity was helping me to clear =
my<br>
> DEBTS/WRONG DEEDS<br>
> or the NATURE was telling me to chan=
ge the DEITY as I am not fit<br>
> for that DEITY<br>
><br>
> and=
sometimes you feel<br>
> o what am i doing does this really works<br>
&=
gt;<br>
> and one thing more<br>
><br>
> what if we go on doing ou=
r pooja and someday<br>
> something like what happened to Pt. GOPI KRISH=
NA JI<br>
> happens to us also<br>
> though he says in his book that =
he read a lot about yoga<br>
> and stuff like this<br>
><br>
> At =
any stage i do not want you people to get offended<br>
> but these are m=
y doubts which are there in my mind<br>
><br>
> i will not say much n=
ow bcoz in<br>
> Swami Sivananda's KUNDALINI YOGA on the last page he sa=
ys<br>
><br>
> "the shastras are endless and there is so much to be k=
nown<br>
> turn the gaze. draw the indriyas.still the mind.then<br>
>=
dive deep into the divine source and realise the infinite bliss"<br>
><=
br>
> ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ***=
****** ***<br>
> *<br>
> i ll give one small personal example here<br=
>
><br>
> around 26 or 27 dec.2007 i started chanting 2 mantras (one =
kar mala<br>
> each)<br>
> in morning and evening<br>
> and on 9 j=
anuary 2008 my parents met an accident<br>
> though my father suffered s=
mall injuries my mother suffred fracture<br>
> in shoulder and Leg<br>
&=
gt;<br>
> and she is still undergoing treatment and will have to<br>
>=
; undergo one more operation in this month<br>
><br>
> and in Februar=
y and March i got placement in<br>
> 2 companies (i m doing MCA in india=
) where most of my friends have<br>
> not<br>
> even got one and let =
me tell you i m not very intelligent<br>
><br>
> so sometimes even no=
w i consider whether my choosen deity is correct<br>
> or not<br>
><b=
r>
> so everyday in the end of my pooja what i ask GOD is<br>
> to he=
lp me find the right path<br>
> ************ ********* ********* *******=
** ********* ********* ********* ***<br>
> **<br>
><br>
> regards<=
br>
> jitender<br>
><br>
> --- In <a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_b=
lank" href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@ yahoogro=
ups. com</a>, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"<br>
> <pvr@...> wrote:<br>
&g=
t;><br>
>> Namaste,<br>
>><br>
>> > Makes you wonde=
r about the Divine connection between all these<br>
>> > supremely=
elevated souls!<br>
>><br>
>> Earlier, I was exerting discreti=
on in sharing personal accounts,<br>
> but She has<br>
>> been mak=
ing me drop guard of late, for whatever reason. I will<br>
> continue in=
<br>
>> the same vein for a little more time.<br>
>><br>
>&g=
t; I had a dream a couple of years ago early in the morning. In the<br>
>=
; dream,<br>
>> there was a big ritual fire. My guru Manish Pandit an=
d I were<br>
> sitting in<br>
>> front of the fire. He was teachin=
g me some pranayama techniques in<br>
> the<br>
>> dream. Suddenly=
, he changed into somebody else that I could not<br>
> recognize.<br>
&g=
t;> It was not anybody I had seen before.<br>
>><br>
>> I me=
ntioned this dream to my guru after a couple of weeks. First<br>
> he sa=
id he<br>
>> did not know who the other person was and said he would'=
ve<br>
> probably known if<br>
>> I had mentioned the dream soon a=
fter it had happened. I left it<br>
> there.<br>
>> However, when =
we talked in the next weekend, he referred to my<br>
> dream and<br>
>=
;> said he had an idea who it was. He gave me a name and asked me to<br>=
> search on<br>

>> the internet for his photo and see if he was t=
he person I saw in<br>
> my dream.<br>
>> It was a guru from the l=
ineage of Paramahamsa Yogananda (before<br>
> him). Though<br>
>> =
he is apparently well-known, I was not knowledegable about this<br>
> li=
neage and<br>
>> did not see his picture before. I searched on the in=
ternet and<br>
> found a<br>
>> photo. Interestingly, the photo wa=
s very close to the person I saw<br>
> in my<br>
>> dream. The per=
son that Manish transformed into in my dream looked<br>
> like a<br>
>=
;> slightly younger version of that photo.<br>
>><br>
>> Whe=
n I confirmed this to Manish, he only smiled and<br>
> said, "Narasimha,=
there<br>
>> are so many links between various lineages. Leave it fo=
r now."<br>
>><br>
>> Of course, I do not know much about kriya=
yoga or about the<br>
> lineage of<br>
>> Paramahamsa Yogananda. =
Our lineage of this life starts from<br>
> Dattatreya. We<br>
>> h=
ave a special attachment to Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and his<br>
> lineag=
e and got<br>
>> a lot of our knowledge, inspiration and perhaps expe=
rience from<br>
> them. We do<br>
>> not have any direct link to t=
he lineage of Paramahamsa Yogananda.<br>
> But,<br>
>> Manish thou=
ght there were some other indirect links. Moreover, he<br>
> guessed<br>=
>> who I saw, even though I myself had no idea who I saw, and he<br>=
> guessed<br>
>> correctly. That should count for something!<br>
=
>><br>
>> I will not be surprised if there are indeed subtle co=
nnections<br>
> between<br>
>> several lineages that seem disjoint=
today.<br>
>><br>
>> By the way, Swami Vivekananda also appear=
ed in the prison cell of<br>
> Sri<br>
>> Aurobindo (who wrote bri=
lliant commentaries on Veda and Upanishad)<br>
> and<br>
>> impart=
ed him some Adwaita knowledge to Sri Aurobindo.<br>
>><br>
>> *=
* *<br>
>><br>
>> An interesting coincidence is =
that a swamiji from Puri contacted<br>
> me within a<br>
>> few da=
ys after I saw that photo. His guru and Paramahamsa<br>
> Yogananda were=
<br>
>> co-disciples of the same guru (Yukteshwar Maharaj). He is the=
<br>
> keeper of<br>
>> some astrological knowledge that his guru =
received from Yukteshwar<br>
> Maharaj.<br>
>> He visited me after=
a month, discussed that knowledge and spent a<br>
> day at my<br>
>&=
gt; house. Thus, some small connection was made with a representative<br>
&=
gt; of that<br>
>> lineage soon after the dream. After all, some karm=
ik debts may<br>
> have been<br>
>> there...<br>
>><br>
>=
> * * *<br>
>><br>
>> I want to make one thing=
clear.<br>
>><br>
>> Some things I mention like this may give =
the impression that my<br>
> guru has<br>
>> some psychic abilitie=
s or siddhis. That may indeed be true. But he<br>
> always<br>
>> =
downplays those things and attaches no importance whatsoever. He<br>
> s=
ays,<br>
>> "Narasimha, I am a useless person and lower than dirt and=
capable<br>
> of<br>
>> nothing. It is all Her power. She is the =
connection between every<br>
> entity in<br>
>> this universe. She=
may choose an idiot like me as an instrument<br>
> sometimes<br>
>&g=
t; and do something using me. I have no special abilities of any<br>
> k=
ind. Any<br>
>> coincidences you find are just Her grace and not due =
to me."<br>
>><br>
>> I realized in time that this simplicity, =
humility and lack of ego<br>
> is not<br>
>> fake. I also realized=
that this lack of ego is what enabled him to<br>
> do things<br>
>&g=
t; that sound impossible or difficult. In fact, I realized that many<br>
&g=
t; great<br>
>> saints in the past were like this. Several magical th=
ings happened<br>
> through<br>
>> them, but they did not find any=
pride in them and retained their<br>
> humility<br>
>> and sense =
of surrender to their chosen form of god and believed<br>
> that god<br>=
>> was the doer of all things and they were mere instruments.<br>
&g=
t;><br>
>> The day you also start believing that, not for the sake=
of<br>
> lecturing or<br>
>> posturing, but from the deep cores o=
f your heart, your sadhana<br>
> will bear<br>
>> fruit.<br>
>&=
gt;<br>
>> Best regards,<br>
>> Narasimha<br>
>> --------=
---- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -<br>
>> Do a =
Short Homam Yourself: <a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://=
www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam">http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam</a><b=
r>
>> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blan=
k" href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana">http://www.VedicAst rolo=
ger.org/ tarpana</a><br>
>> Spirituality: <a rel=3D"nofollow" target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom">http://grou=
ps. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom</a><br>
>> Free Jyotish lessons (M=
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omcast.net">http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net</a><br>
>> Free Jyot=
ish software (Windows): <a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http:=
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>>=
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href=3D"http://www.SriJagannath.org">http://www.SriJagan nath.org</a><br>
&=
gt;> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - <b=
r>
>><br>
>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>
>> From: "=
Dinesh Nambisan" <dinesh@...><br>
>> To: <<a rel=3D"nofollow=
" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com">vedic-wi=
sdom@ yahoogroups. com</a>><br>
>> Sent: Monday, September 29, 200=
8 5:54 PM<br>
>> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Yogananda (Re: Dharma)<br>
&=
gt;><br>
>><br>
>> --- In <a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_bla=
nk" href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroup=
s. com</a>, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>=
;> ><br>
>> > Dear Lakshmi,<br>
>> ><br>
>> &=
gt; The Yogananda I mentioned is different. Swami Yogananda is one of<br>
&=
gt;> the sixteen monastic disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, along<br=
>
> with<br>
>> Swami Vivekananda. He was forced to marry, but nev=
er slept with his<br>
>> own wife. Swami Vivekananda once said "if an=
y of us (disciples of<br>
>> Ramakrishna) conquered lust completely a=
nd in all respects, it is<br>
>> Joginder (Swami Yogananda)". There i=
s no question of Swami<br>
> Yogananda<br>
>> being accused of dri=
nking and having women etc.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Paramahamsa=
Yogananda is a sishya of Yukteshwar Maharaj and from<br>
> the<br>
>=
> lineage of Mahavatar Babaji. They practice kriya yoga. I do not<br>
&g=
t; know<br>
>> much about him.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>=
<br>
>> For what it is worth, you can read more about Paramahamsa<br>=
> Yogananda in<br>

>> his free+online autobiography,<br>
>>=
here <a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://en.wikisource.or=
g/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi">http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/ Autobiograp=
hy_ of_a_Yogi</a><br>
>><br>
>> There were interesting links be=
tween Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and<br>
>> Paramahamsa Yogananda:-<br>
=
>> For example, one of the top disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa<b=
r>
> was<br>
>> Mahendranath Gupta (not sure if he was one of the =
16 monastic<br>
>> disciples that Narasimhaji refers to) aka Master M=
ahasaya, who<br>
> wrote<br>
>> "The Gospel of Ramakrishna"<br>
&g=
t;> (<a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.o=
rg/wiki/Mahendranath_Gupta">http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Mahendranath_ Gu=
pta</a>), and was the<br>
>> sanskrit tutor to Paramahamsa Yogananda =
as well; the latter<br>
> devoted an<br>
>> entire chapter to him =
in his<br>
>> book :<br>
> <a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" h=
ref=3D"http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi/Chapter_9">htt=
p://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/ Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi/ Chapter_9</a><br>
&g=
t;><br>
>> Elsewhere in his autobiography Paramhamsa Yogananda als=
o mentions<br>
> an<br>
>> anecdote of a disciple to whom he gifte=
d a silver cup, who as a<br>
> young<br>
>> man was told by Swami =
Vivekandana that the Guru in his life would<br>
>> present him with a=
silver cup in the future.<br>
>> <a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blan=
k" href=3D"http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi/Chapter_47=
">http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/ Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi/ Chapter_47</a><=
br>
>><br>
>> Makes you wonder about the Divine connection betw=
een all these<br>
>> supremely elevated souls!<br>
>><br>
>&=
gt; Best.<br>
<br>
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Namaste sir
thanks for this advice
regards
jitender
--- In vedic-wisdo=
m@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
<pvr@...> wrote:
>
> Namaste,
> =
> Choosing the right deity for sadhana is important. If you do not
know t=
he
> right deity, just doing some sadhana is definitely better than
waiti=
ng. Pick
> whatever deity seems natural to you and do sadhana.
>
> Please=
remember that sadhana for spiritual progress is different
from
> sadhana=
for specific material benefits. No matter which deity you
worship,
> sad=
hana performed for spiritual progress never goes waste.
However,
> someti=
mes it may be necessary to experience the results of some
bad karmas
> be=
fore some good things happen. Imagine all your karmas lying in a
pile in a=
> basket. Suppose some of the really good karmas that will enable
you to=
do
> serious sadhana and experience great things lie at the bottom or
mi=
ddle of
> the pile. When you start sadhana, suppose god decides to give yo=
u
the fruits
> of those auspicious karmas. Imagine him reaching into the =
pile and
> retrieving those karmas. In the process, some other karmas may =
spill over
> and give their fruits. Some of those may be undesirable. So =
what?
They had
> to be experienced sometime or the other, anyway!
>
> A =
serious sadhaka should never be disheartened by a few seemingly
> undesira=
ble results after starting a spiritual sadhana. Just keep
going.
>
> One =
gentleman I know received mantra for Kaali from a very good
> priest-cum-y=
ogi in late 2005. After he did the mantra for a few
days, he was
> laid o=
ff and lost his job. He was not perturbed. He continued his
sadhana
> and=
used the break to go on an extended trip to India and make a
pilgrimage
=
> to some nice places. He participated in the Shata Chandi homam we
conduc=
ted
> at the Kaalikambal temple in Chennai in March 2006. He met my guru
=
and got
> the opportunity to be his room mate for a week when we stayed at=
the house
> of a priest during the homam. He could observe and interact =
with
my guru
> very closely. Most importantly, when my guru had a vision =
of the
Mother on
> 2006 March 3 afternoon, in which She told him to start=
the work on
spreading
> homam in the world, this gentleman was present t=
here. Though he
could not
> see the Mother, he actually smelled something=
out of the world and
was
> baffled. He knew something was going on, but =
did not know what.
The temple
> was closed at the time and my guru and th=
is gentlemen were the
only people
> on the premises when the Mother appea=
red. Even though he could not
see the
> Mother, it was most fortunate of =
him to be present there at *that*
crucial
> moment. That is enough to mou=
ld the rest of his life.
>
> You never know how, when and where the grace =
of god falls on you.
> Calculations and logic are useless when it comes to=
the grace of
god. Just
> surrender and keep doing whatever sadhana you p=
icked. If it needs
> fine-tuning, somebody will appear to tell you that. A=
ny bad things
that
> happen when doing a spiritual sadhana should be view=
ed as nature
settling
> some debts so that you are prepared to receive th=
e fruits of some
really
> auspicious karmas.
>
> As Shirdi Sai Baba says=
, you should have "sraddha and saburi".
Have devotion
> and patience. The=
re is no limit to what you can get then.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> -=
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> Do Pitri Tarpana=
> Spirituality: http://g=
> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://ved=
> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.Vedi=
cAstrologer.org
th.org
> ------------------------------------------------------------------=
>
> > Namaste Sir
> > what you said make=
s a lot sense and it was marvellous
> > but i have some small doubts
> >
> =
> > how can they=
chooose a particular form of GOD
> > bcoz in second part of AGHORA, Vimala=
nda, said choosing right
deity
> > is very important, as the analogy he ga=
ve of a person
> > who is greedy and worships LAKSHMI , may increase his gr=
eed
> >
> > One thing more
> > we have so many deities that on diwali i wo=
uld like to worship
> > Lakshmi and Kali
> > in navaratri (nowadays) we wou=
ld worship Durga
> > on janmashtami we would fast for KRISHNA
> > an on MAH=
ASHIVARATRI for SHIVA
> > like this
> > with hte change in festival the dei=
ty changes
> >
> > though everybody knows GOD is ONE but it becomes difficu=
lt to get
> > out of this
> > mould and if i didnt worship her may be that =
GOD/GODDESS may
become
> > angry
> >
> > I Know,this is my foolishness but=
stiil this thing hangs in the
mind
> >
> > One thing more
> >
> > Suppose=
if i choose a deity and something wrong happens
> > (materiallistically)
>=
>
> > what should i consider that my deity was helping me to clear my
> > =
DEBTS/WRONG DEEDS
> > or the NATURE was telling me to change the DEITY as I=
am not fit
> > for that DEITY
> >
> > and sometimes you feel
> > o what a=
m i doing does this really works
> >
> > and one thing more
> >
> > what if=
we go on doing our pooja and someday
> > something like what happened to P=
t. GOPI KRISHNA JI
> > happens to us also
> > though he says in his book th=
at he read a lot about yoga
> > and stuff like this
> >
> > At any stage i =
do not want you people to get offended
> > but these are my doubts which ar=
e there in my mind
> >
> > i will not say much now bcoz in
> > Swami Sivana=
nda's KUNDALINI YOGA on the last page he says
> >
> > "the shastras are end=
less and there is so much to be known
> > turn the gaze. draw the indriyas.=
still the mind.then
> > dive deep into the divine source and realise the in=
finite bliss"
> >
> >
****************************************************=
*****************
> > *
> > i ll give one small personal example here
> >
>=
> around 26 or 27 dec.2007 i started chanting 2 mantras (one kar
mala
> >=
each)
> > in morning and evening
> > and on 9 january 2008 my parents met =
an accident
> > though my father suffered small injuries my mother suffred =
fracture
> > in shoulder and Leg
> >
> > and she is still undergoing treat=
ment and will have to
> > undergo one more operation in this month
> >
> > =
and in February and March i got placement in
> > 2 companies (i m doing MCA=
in india) where most of my friends
have
> > not
> > even got one and let =
me tell you i m not very intelligent
> >
> > so sometimes even now i consid=
er whether my choosen deity is
correct
> > or not
> >
> > so everyday in t=
he end of my pooja what i ask GOD is
> > to help me find the right path
> >=
*********************************************************************
> >=
**
> >
> > regards
> > jitender
> >
> > --- In vedic-wisdom@...=
m, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
> > <pvr@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Namaste,
> >>
> >> > =
Makes you wonder about the Divine connection between all these
> >> > supre=
mely elevated souls!
> >>
> >> Earlier, I was exerting discretion in sharin=
g personal accounts,
> > but She has
> >> been making me drop guard of late=
, for whatever reason. I will
> > continue in
> >> the same vein for a litt=
le more time.
> >>
> >> I had a dream a couple of years ago early in the mo=
rning. In the
> > dream,
> >> there was a big ritual fire. My guru Manish P=
andit and I were
> > sitting in
> >> front of the fire. He was teaching me =
some pranayama techniques
in
> > the
> >> dream. Suddenly, he changed into=
somebody else that I could not
> > recognize.
> >> It was not anybody I ha=
d seen before.
> >>
> >> I mentioned this dream to my guru after a couple o=
f weeks. First
> > he said he
> >> did not know who the other person was an=
d said he would've
> > probably known if
> >> I had mentioned the dream soo=
n after it had happened. I left it
> > there.
> >> However, when we talked =
in the next weekend, he referred to my
> > dream and
> >> said he had an id=
ea who it was. He gave me a name and asked me
to
> > search on
> >> the in=
> > my dream.
> =
> > him)=
. Though
> >> he is apparently well-known, I was not knowledegable about th=
is
> > lineage and
> >> did not see his picture before. I searched on the i=
nternet and
> > found a
> >> photo. Interestingly, the photo was very close=
to the person I
saw
> > in my
> >> dream. The person that Manish transfor=
med into in my dream
looked
> > like a
> >> slightly younger version of th=
at photo.
> >>
> >> When I confirmed this to Manish, he only smiled and
> >=
> >> are so many links between various lineages. L=
eave it for now."
> >>
> >> Of course, I do not know much about kriya yoga =
or about the
> > lineage of
> >> Paramahamsa Yogananda. Our lineage of this=
life starts from
> > Dattatreya. We
> >> have a special attachment to Rama=
krishna Paramahamsa and his
> > lineage and got
> >> a lot of our knowledge=
, inspiration and perhaps experience from
> > them. We do
> >> not have any=
direct link to the lineage of Paramahamsa
Yogananda.
> > But,
> >> Manish=
thought there were some other indirect links. Moreover,
he
> > guessed
> =
> > guesse=
d
> >> correctly. That should count for something!
> >>
> >> I will not be =
surprised if there are indeed subtle connections
> > between
> >> several l=
ineages that seem disjoint today.
> >>
> >> By the way, Swami Vivekananda a=
lso appeared in the prison cell
of
> > Sri
> >> Aurobindo (who wrote brill=
iant commentaries on Veda and
Upanishad)
> > and
> >> imparted him some Ad=
waita knowledge to Sri Aurobindo.
> >>
> >> * * *
> >>
> >> A=
n interesting coincidence is that a swamiji from Puri contacted
> > me with=
in a
> >> few days after I saw that photo. His guru and Paramahamsa
> > Yog=
ananda were
> >> co-disciples of the same guru (Yukteshwar Maharaj). He is =
the
> > keeper of
> >> some astrological knowledge that his guru received f=
rom
Yukteshwar
> > Maharaj.
> >> He visited me after a month, discussed th=
at knowledge and spent
a
> > day at my
> >> house. Thus, some small connec=
tion was made with a
representative
> > of that
> >> lineage soon after th=
e dream. After all, some karmik debts may
> > have been
> >> there...
> >>
=
> >> * * *
> >>
> >> I want to make one thing clear.
> >>
> >=
> > guru =
has
> >> some psychic abilities or siddhis. That may indeed be true. But
h=
e
> > always
> >> downplays those things and attaches no importance whatsoe=
ver. He
> > says,
> >> "Narasimha, I am a useless person and lower than dir=
t and
capable
> > of
> >> nothing. It is all Her power. She is the connect=
ion between
every
> > entity in
> >> this universe. She may choose an idio=
t like me as an instrument
> > sometimes
> >> and do something using me. I =
have no special abilities of any
> > kind. Any
> >> coincidences you find a=
re just Her grace and not due to me."
> >>
> >> I realized in time that thi=
s simplicity, humility and lack of
ego
> > is not
> >> fake. I also realiz=
ed that this lack of ego is what enabled him
to
> > do things
> >> that so=
und impossible or difficult. In fact, I realized that
many
> > great
> >> =
saints in the past were like this. Several magical things
happened
> > thr=
ough
> >> them, but they did not find any pride in them and retained their
=
> > humility
> >> and sense of surrender to their chosen form of god and be=
lieved
> > that god
> >> was the doer of all things and they were mere inst=
ruments.
> >>
> >> The day you also start believing that, not for the sake =
of
> > lecturing or
> >> posturing, but from the deep cores of your heart, =
your sadhana
> > will bear
> >> fruit.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Narasim=
ha
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
--=
> >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> >> =
Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:
> >> Sp=
irituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
> >> Free Jyotish le=
> >> Free Jyotish software =
> >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) w=
ebsite: http://www.SriJagannath.org
> >> ----------------------------------=
------------------------------
--
> >>
=
> >> From: "Dinesh Nambisan" <dinesh@>
> >> To: <vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.c=
om>
> >> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 5:54 PM
> >> Subject: [vedic-wisd=
om] Yogananda (Re: Dharma)
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.c=
om, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
<pvr@>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Dear Lakshmi,
=
> >> >
> >> > The Yogananda I mentioned is different. Swami Yogananda is
o=
ne of
> >> the sixteen monastic disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, along=
> > with

> >> Swami Vivekananda. He was forced to marry, but never slept w=
ith
his
> >> own wife. Swami Vivekananda once said "if any of us (disciple=
s
of
> >> Ramakrishna) conquered lust completely and in all respects, it
=
is
> >> Joginder (Swami Yogananda)". There is no question of Swami
> > Yoga=
nanda
> >> being accused of drinking and having women etc.
> >> >
> >> > Pa=
ramahamsa Yogananda is a sishya of Yukteshwar Maharaj and
from
> > the
> >=
> lineage of Mahavatar Babaji. They practice kriya yoga. I do not
> > know
=
> >> much about him.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> For what it is worth, you can read=
more about Paramahamsa
> > Yogananda in
> >> his free+online autobiography=
,
> >> here http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi
> >>
> >>=
There were interesting links between Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and
> >> Para=
mahamsa Yogananda:-
> >> For example, one of the top disciples of Ramakrish=
na Paramahamsa
> > was
> >> Mahendranath Gupta (not sure if he was one of t=
he 16 monastic
> >> disciples that Narasimhaji refers to) aka Master Mahasa=
ya, who
> > wrote
> >> "The Gospel of Ramakrishna"
> >> (http://en.wikipedi=
a.org/wiki/Mahendranath_Gupta), and was the
> >> sanskrit tutor to Paramaha=
msa Yogananda as well; the latter
> > devoted an
> >> entire chapter to him=
in his
> >> book :
> > http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yo=
gi/Chapter_9
> >>
> >> Elsewhere in his autobiography Paramhamsa Yogananda =
also
mentions
> > an
> >> anecdote of a disciple to whom he gifted a silve=
r cup, who as a
> > young
> >> man was told by Swami Vivekandana that the G=
uru in his life
would
> >> present him with a silver cup in the future.
> =
>> http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi/Chapter_47
> >>
> =
> >> supr=
emely elevated souls!
> >>
> >> Best.
>

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--- On Thu, 2/10/08, Ashwin Rawal <ashwinrawal@...> wrote:

=

Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] R=
ight deity and sadhana (Re: Yogananda)
Dat=
e: Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 5:14 PM
Dear Narsimhaji, You mentio=

ned the appearance of mother before you. Can you kindly clarify which mothe=
r? you mean Sharda devi (Thakurain Ma) or Goddess Durga ? Kindly answer thi=
s immediately as I am excited to know this trutth about homa.
Dr.Ashwin Ra=
wal
--- On Thu, 2/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net> wrote:
F=
rom: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Right =
deity and sadhana (Re: Yogananda)
Cc: si=
vacharya@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 4:21 AM
Nama=
ste,
Choosing the right deity for sadhana is important. If you do not know=
the
right deity, just doing some sadhana is definitely better than waitin=
g. Pick
Please rememb=
er that sadhana for spiritual progress is different from
sadhana for speci=
fic material benefits. No matter which deity you worship,
sadhana performe=
d for spiritual progress never goes waste. However,
sometimes it may be ne=
cessary to experience the results of some bad karmas
before some good thin=
gs happen. Imagine all your karmas lying in a pile in a
basket. Suppose so=
me of the really good karmas that will enable you to do
serious sadhana an=
d experience great things lie at the bottom or middle of
the pile. When yo=
u start sadhana, suppose god decides to give you the fruits
of those auspi=
cious karmas. Imagine him reaching into the pile and
retrieving those karm=
as. In the process, some other karmas may spill over
and give their fruits=
. Some of those may be undesirable. So what? They had
to be experienced so=
metime or the other, anyway!
A serious sadhaka should never be disheartene=

d by a few seemingly
undesirable results after starting a spiritual sadhan=
a. Just keep going.
One gentleman I know received mantra for Kaali from a =

very good
priest-cum-yogi in late 2005. After he did the mantra for a few =
days, he was
laid off and lost his job. He was not perturbed. He continued=
his sadhana
and used the break to go on an extended trip to India and mak=
e a pilgrimage
to some nice places. He participated in the Shata Chandi ho=
mam we conducted
at the Kaalikambal temple in Chennai in March 2006. He me=
t my guru and got
the opportunity to be his room mate for a week when we s=
tayed at the house
of a priest during the homam. He could observe and inte=
ract with my guru
very closely. Most importantly, when my guru had a visio=
n of the Mother on
2006 March 3 afternoon, in which She told him to start =
homam in the world, this gentleman was present there=
. Though he could not
see the Mother, he actually smelled something out of=
the world and was
baffled. He knew something was going on, but did not kn=
ow what. The temple
was closed at the time and my guru and this gentlemen =
were the only people
on the premises when the Mother appeared. Even though=
he could not see the
Mother, it was most fortunate of him to be present t=
here at *that* crucial
moment. That is enough to mould the rest of his lif=
e.
You never know how, when and where the grace of god falls on you.
Calc=
ulations and logic are useless when it comes to the grace of god. Just
sur=
render and keep doing whatever sadhana you picked. If it needs
fine-tuning=
, somebody will appear to tell you that. Any bad things that
happen when d=
oing a spiritual sadhana should be viewed as nature settling
some debts so=
that you are prepared to receive the fruits of some really
auspicious kar=
mas.
As Shirdi Sai Baba says, you should have "sraddha and saburi". Have d=
evotion
Best re=
gards,
Narasimha
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -----=
---- -
Do=
Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana
Spiritua=
lity: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom
P3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net
Free Jyotish software (Windows): =
http://www.VedicAst rologer.org
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- =
--------- -

> Namaste Sir
> what you said m=
akes a lot sense and it was marvellous
>
> L=
eaving astrology aside and those who do not have a guru
> how can they choo=
ose a particular form of GOD
> bcoz in second part of AGHORA, Vimalanda, sa=
id choosing right deity
> is very important, as the analogy he gave of a pe=
rson
>
> One =
thing more
> we have so many deities that on diwali i would like to worship=
> Lakshmi and Kali

> on j=
anmashtami we would fast for KRISHNA
> lik=
e this
>
> though everybody=
knows GOD is ONE but it becomes difficult to get
> out of this
> mould and=
if i didnt worship her may be that GOD/GODDESS may become
> angry
>
> I Kn=
ow,this is my foolishness but stiil this thing hangs in the mind
>
> One th=
ing more
>
> Suppose if i choose a deity and something wrong happens
> (mat=
eriallistically )
>
> what should i consider that my deity was helping me t=
o clear my
> DEBTS/WRONG DEEDS
> or the NATURE was telling me to change the=
DEITY as I am not fit
> for that DEITY
>
> o what=
am i doing does this really works
>
>
> what if we go=
on doing our pooja and someday
> something like what happened to Pt. GOPI =
KRISHNA JI
> though he says in his book that he read a=
lot about yoga
>
> At any stage i do not want you pe=
ople to get offended
> but these are my doubts which are there in my mind
>=

> Swami Sivananda's KUNDALINI YOGA on th=
e last page he says
>
> "the shastras are endless and there is so much to b=
e known
> dive deep =
into the divine source and realise the infinite bliss"
>
> ************ ***=
****** ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ***
> *
> i ll giv=
e one small personal example here
>
> around 26 or 27 dec.2007 i started ch=
anting 2 mantras (one kar mala
> each)
> and on 9 =
january 2008 my parents met an accident
> though my father suffered small i=
njuries my mother suffred fracture
>
> and she is sti=
ll undergoing treatment and will have to
> undergo one more operation in th=
is month
>
> 2 companies (i =
m doing MCA in india) where most of my friends have
> not
> even got one an=
d let me tell you i m not very intelligent
>
> so sometimes even now i cons=
ider whether my choosen deity is correct
> or not
>
> so everyday in the en=
d of my pooja what i ask GOD is
> ********=
**** ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ***
> **
>=
> regards
> jitender
>
> --- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "Narasimha=
P.V.R. Rao"
> <pvr@...> wrote:
>>
>> Namaste,
>>
>> > Makes you wonder abo=
ut the Divine connection between all these
>=
>
> but=
She has
>> been making me drop guard of late, for whatever reason. I will
=
> continue in
>>
>> I had a dream =
a couple of years ago early in the morning. In the
> dream,
>> there was a =
big ritual fire. My guru Manish Pandit and I were
> sitting in
>> front of =
the fire. He was teaching me some pranayama techniques in
> the
>> dream. S=
uddenly, he changed into somebody else that I could not
> recognize.
>> It =
was not anybody I had seen before.
>>
>> I mentioned this dream to my guru =
after a couple of weeks. First
> he said he
>> did not know who the other p=
erson was and said he would've
> probably known if
>> I had mentioned the d=
ream soon after it had happened. I left it
> there.
>> However, when we tal=
ked in the next weekend, he referred to my
> dream and
>> said he had an id=
ea who it was. He gave me a name and asked me to
> search on
>> the interne=
t for his photo and see if he was the person I saw in
> my dream.
>> It was=
a guru from the lineage of Paramahamsa Yogananda (before
> him). Though
>>=
he is apparently well-known, I was not knowledegable about this
> lineage =
and
>> did not see his picture before. I searched on the internet and
> fou=
nd a
>> photo. Interestingly, the photo was very close to the person I saw
=
> in my
>> dream. The person that Manish transformed into in my dream looke=
d
> like a
>>
>> When I confirme=
d this to Manish, he only smiled and
>> are so ma=
ny links between various lineages. Leave it for now."
>>
>> Of course, I do=
not know much about kriya yoga or about the
> lineage of
>> Paramahamsa Yo=
gananda. Our lineage of this life starts from
> Dattatreya. We
>> have a sp=
ecial attachment to Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and his
> lineage and got
>> a =
lot of our knowledge, inspiration and perhaps experience from
> them. We do=
>> not have any direct link to the lineage of Paramahamsa Yogananda.
> But=
,
>> Manish thought there were some other indirect links. Moreover, he
> gu=
essed
> gu=
essed
>>
>> I will not be su=
rprised if there are indeed subtle connections
> between
>> several lineage=
s that seem disjoint today.
>>
>> By the way, Swami Vivekananda also appear=
ed in the prison cell of
> Sri
>> Aurobindo (who wrote brilliant commentari=
es on Veda and Upanishad)
> and
>> imparted him some Adwaita knowledge to S=
ri Aurobindo.
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> An interesting coincidence is that a swamij=
i from Puri contacted
> me within a
>> few days after I saw that photo. His=
guru and Paramahamsa
> Yogananda were
>> co-disciples of the same guru (Yu=
kteshwar Maharaj). He is the
> keeper of
>> some astrological knowledge tha=
t his guru received from Yukteshwar
> Maharaj.
>> He visited me after a mon=
th, discussed that knowledge and spent a
> day at my
>> house. Thus, some s=
mall connection was made with a representative
> of that
>> lineage soon af=
ter the dream. After all, some karmik debts may
> have been
>> there...
>>
=
>> * * *
>>
>>
>> Some things I mention =
like this may give the impression that my
> guru has
>> some psychic abilit=
ies or siddhis. That may indeed be true. But he
> always
>> downplays those=
things and attaches no importance whatsoever. He
> says,
>> "Narasimha, I =
am a useless person and lower than dirt and capable
> of
>> nothing. It is =
all Her power. She is the connection between every
> entity in
>> this univ=
erse. She may choose an idiot like me as an instrument
> sometimes
>> and d=
o something using me. I have no special abilities of any
> kind. Any
>> coi=
ncidences you find are just Her grace and not due to me."
>>
>> I realized =
in time that this simplicity, humility and lack of ego
> is not
>> fake. I =
also realized that this lack of ego is what enabled him to
> do things
>> t=
hat sound impossible or difficult. In fact, I realized that many
> great
>>=
saints in the past were like this. Several magical things happened
> throu=
gh
>> them, but they did not find any pride in them and retained their
> hu=
mility
>> and sense of surrender to their chosen form of god and believed
>=
that god
>> was the doer of all things and they were mere instruments.
>>
=
> lecturing o=
r
>> posturing, but from the deep cores of your heart, your sadhana
> will =
bear
>> fruit.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Narasimha
>> ------------ --------- -=
-------- --------- --------- --------- -
>> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http=
://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam
>> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://ww=
w.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana
>> Spirituality: http://groups. yahoo.com/ =
group/vedic- wisdom
>> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.=
comcast. net
>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologe=
r.org
>> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org
>=
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
>>
>> -=
>> To:=
<vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 5:54 =
PM
>>
>>
>> --- In vedic-=
wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >=
Dear Lakshmi,
>> >
>> > The Yogananda I mentioned is different. Swami Yoga=
nanda is one of
>> the sixteen monastic disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahams=
a, along
> with
>> Swami Vivekananda. He was forced to marry, but never sle=
pt with his
>> own wife. Swami Vivekananda once said "if any of us (discipl=
es of
>> Ramakrishna) conquered lust completely and in all respects, it is
=
> Yogananda
>=
> being accused of drinking and having women etc.
>> >
>> > Paramahamsa Yog=
ananda is a sishya of Yukteshwar Maharaj and from
> the
>> lineage of Mahav=
atar Babaji. They practice kriya yoga. I do not
> know
>> much about him.
>=
>
>>
>>
>> For what it is worth, you can read more about Paramahamsa
> Yoga=
nanda in
>> here http://en.wikisourc e.or=
g/wiki/ Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi
>>
>> There were interesting links between=
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and
>> For example, one=
of the top disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
> was
>> Mahendranath Gupt=
a (not sure if he was one of the 16 monastic
>> disciples that Narasimhaji =
refers to) aka Master Mahasaya, who
> wrote
=
>> (http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Mahendranath_ Gupta), and was the
>> san=
skrit tutor to Paramahamsa Yogananda as well; the latter
> devoted an
>> en=
tire chapter to him in his
>> book :
> http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/ Auto=
biography_ of_a_Yogi/ Chapter_9
>>
>> Elsewhere in his autobiography Paramh=
amsa Yogananda also mentions
> an
>> anecdote of a disciple to whom he gift=
ed a silver cup, who as a
> young
>> man was told by Swami Vivekandana that=
the Guru in his life would
>> present him with a silver cup in the future.=
>> http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/ Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi/ Chapter_47

>>=
>> supre=
>>
>> Best.
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Dear Narasimhaji'</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV=
>
<DIV>If you do not mind, can you tell us the year/month when you got diks=
ha from your sadguru, I am trying understand through jyotish when someone g=
ets his sadguru, and what combinations are needed.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
=
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG>
<DI=
V class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FO=
NT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet</=
SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 2/10/08, Ash=
win Rawal <I><ashwinrawal@...></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) =
2px solid">From: Ashwin Rawal <ashwinrawal@...><BR>Subject: R=
e: [vedic-wisdom] Right deity and sadhana (Re: Yogananda)<BR>To: vedic-wisd=
om@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 5:14 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV=
id=3Dyiv1737487606>
<DIV>
<TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cell=
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<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop>Dear Narsimhaji, You =
mentioned the appearance of mother before you. Can you kindly clarify which=
mother? you mean Sharda devi (Thakurain Ma) or Goddess Durga ? Kindly answ=
er this immediately as I am excited to know this trutth about homa.<BR><BR>=
<FONT face=3D"comic sans ms" color=3D#212143><STRONG>Dr.Ashwin Rawal</STRON=
G></FONT><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 2/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@ch=
arter. net></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,=
16,255) 2px solid">From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net><BR>S=
ubject: [vedic-wisdom] Right deity and sadhana (Re: Yogananda)<BR>To: vedic=
-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com<BR>Cc: sivacharya@yahoogro ups.com<BR>Date: Thurs=
day, 2 October, 2008, 4:21 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv51761517>
<DIV id=3Dygrp=
-text>
<DIV>Namaste,<BR><BR>Choosing the right deity for sadhana is importa=
nt. If you do not know the <BR>right deity, just doing some sadhana is defi=
nitely better than waiting. Pick <BR>whatever deity seems natural to you an=
d do sadhana.<BR><BR>Please remember that sadhana for spiritual progress is=
different from <BR>sadhana for specific material benefits. No matter which=
deity you worship, <BR>sadhana performed for spiritual progress never goes=
waste. However, <BR>sometimes it may be necessary to experience the result=
s of some bad karmas <BR>before some good things happen. Imagine all your k=
armas lying in a pile in a <BR>basket. Suppose some of the really good karm=
as that will enable you to do <BR>serious sadhana and experience great thin=
gs lie at the bottom or middle of <BR>the pile. When you start sadhana, sup=
pose god decides to give you the fruits <BR>of those auspicious karmas. Ima=
gine him reaching into the pile and <BR>retrieving those karmas. In the
pr=
ocess, some other karmas may spill over <BR>and give their fruits. Some of =
those may be undesirable. So what? They had <BR>to be experienced sometime =
or the other, anyway!<BR><BR>A serious sadhaka should never be disheartened=
by a few seemingly <BR>undesirable results after starting a spiritual sadh=
ana. Just keep going.<BR><BR>One gentleman I know received mantra for Kaali=
from a very good <BR>priest-cum-yogi in late 2005. After he did the mantra=
for a few days, he was <BR>laid off and lost his job. He was not perturbed=
. He continued his sadhana <BR>and used the break to go on an extended trip=
to India and make a pilgrimage <BR>to some nice places. He participated in=
the Shata Chandi homam we conducted <BR>at the Kaalikambal temple in Chenn=
ai in March 2006. He met my guru and got <BR>the opportunity to be his room=
mate for a week when we stayed at the house <BR>of a priest during the hom=
am. He could observe and interact with my guru <BR>very closely.
Most impo=
rtantly, when my guru had a vision of the Mother on <BR>2006 March 3 aftern=
oon, in which She told him to start the work on spreading <BR>homam in the =
world, this gentleman was present there. Though he could not <BR>see the Mo=
ther, he actually smelled something out of the world and was <BR>baffled. H=
e knew something was going on, but did not know what. The temple <BR>was cl=
osed at the time and my guru and this gentlemen were the only people <BR>on=
the premises when the Mother appeared. Even though he could not see the <B=
R>Mother, it was most fortunate of him to be present there at *that* crucia=
l <BR>moment. That is enough to mould the rest of his life.<BR><BR>You neve=
r know how, when and where the grace of god falls on you. <BR>Calculations =
and logic are useless when it comes to the grace of god. Just <BR>surrender=
and keep doing whatever sadhana you picked. If it needs <BR>fine-tuning, s=
omebody will appear to tell you that. Any bad things that
<BR>happen when =
doing a spiritual sadhana should be viewed as nature settling <BR>some debt=
s so that you are prepared to receive the fruits of some really <BR>auspici=
ous karmas.<BR><BR>As Shirdi Sai Baba says, you should have "sraddha and sa=
buri". Have devotion <BR>and patience. There is no limit to what you can ge=
t then.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------ --------- -------=
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----- --------- --------- --------- - <BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- =
<BR>> Namaste Sir<BR>> what you said makes a lot sense and it was mar=
vellous<BR>> but i have some small doubts<BR>><BR>> Leaving astrol=
ogy aside and those who do not have a guru<BR>> how can they chooose a p=
articular form of GOD<BR>> bcoz in second part of AGHORA, Vimalanda, sai=
d choosing right deity<BR>> is very important, as the analogy he gave of=
a person<BR>> who is greedy and worships LAKSHMI , may increase his gre=
ed<BR>><BR>> One thing more<BR>> we have so many deities that on
=
diwali i would like to worship<BR>> Lakshmi and Kali<BR>> in navaratr=
i (nowadays) we would worship Durga<BR>> on janmashtami we would fast fo=
r KRISHNA<BR>> an on MAHASHIVARATRI for SHIVA<BR>> like this<BR>> =
with hte change in festival the deity changes<BR>><BR>> though everyb=
ody knows GOD is ONE but it becomes difficult to get<BR>> out of this<BR=
>> mould and if i didnt worship her may be that GOD/GODDESS may become<B=
R>> angry<BR>><BR>> I Know,this is my foolishness but stiil this t=
hing hangs in the mind<BR>><BR>> One thing more<BR>><BR>> Suppo=
se if i choose a deity and something wrong happens<BR>> (materiallistica=
lly )<BR>><BR>> what should i consider that my deity was helping me t=
o clear my<BR>> DEBTS/WRONG DEEDS<BR>> or the NATURE was telling me t=
o change the DEITY as I am not fit<BR>> for that DEITY<BR>><BR>> a=
nd sometimes you feel<BR>> o what am i doing does this really
works<BR>=
><BR>> and one thing more<BR>><BR>> what if we go on doing our =
pooja and someday<BR>> something like what happened to Pt. GOPI KRISHNA =
JI<BR>> happens to us also<BR>> though he says in his book that he re=
ad a lot about yoga<BR>> and stuff like this<BR>><BR>> At any stag=
e i do not want you people to get offended<BR>> but these are my doubts =
which are there in my mind<BR>><BR>> i will not say much now bcoz in<=
BR>> Swami Sivananda's KUNDALINI YOGA on the last page he says<BR>><B=
R>> "the shastras are endless and there is so much to be known<BR>> t=
urn the gaze. draw the indriyas.still the mind.then<BR>> dive deep into =
the divine source and realise the infinite bliss"<BR>><BR>> *********=
*** ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ***<BR>>=
*<BR>> i ll give one small personal example here<BR>><BR>> around=
26 or 27 dec.2007 i started chanting 2 mantras (one kar
mala<BR>> each=
)<BR>> in morning and evening<BR>> and on 9 january 2008 my parents m=
et an accident<BR>> though my father suffered small injuries my mother s=
uffred fracture<BR>> in shoulder and Leg<BR>><BR>> and she is stil=
l undergoing treatment and will have to<BR>> undergo one more operation =
in this month<BR>><BR>> and in February and March i got placement in<=
BR>> 2 companies (i m doing MCA in india) where most of my friends have<=
BR>> not<BR>> even got one and let me tell you i m not very intellige=
nt<BR>><BR>> so sometimes even now i consider whether my choosen deit=
y is correct<BR>> or not<BR>><BR>> so everyday in the end of my po=
oja what i ask GOD is<BR>> to help me find the right path<BR>> ******=
****** ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ***<BR>&=
gt; **<BR>><BR>> regards<BR>> jitender<BR>><BR>> --- In <A h=
ref=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com"
ow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"<BR>> <p=
vr@...> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> Namaste,<BR>>><BR>>> =
> Makes you wonder about the Divine connection between all these<BR>>=
> > supremely elevated souls!<BR>>><BR>>> Earlier, I was =
exerting discretion in sharing personal accounts,<BR>> but She has<BR>&g=
t;> been making me drop guard of late, for whatever reason. I will<BR>&g=
t; continue in<BR>>> the same vein for a little more time.<BR>>>=
;<BR>>> I had a dream a couple of years ago early in the morning. In =
the<BR>> dream,<BR>>> there was a big ritual fire. My guru Manish =
Pandit and I were<BR>> sitting in<BR>>> front of the fire. He was =
teaching me some pranayama techniques in<BR>> the<BR>>> dream. Sud=
denly, he changed into somebody else that I could not<BR>> recognize.<BR=
>>> It was not anybody I had seen
before.<BR>>><BR>>> I =
mentioned this dream to my guru after a couple of weeks. First<BR>> he s=
aid he<BR>>> did not know who the other person was and said he would'=
ve<BR>> probably known if<BR>>> I had mentioned the dream soon aft=
er it had happened. I left it<BR>> there.<BR>>> However, when we t=
alked in the next weekend, he referred to my<BR>> dream and<BR>>> =
said he had an idea who it was. He gave me a name and asked me to<BR>> s=
earch on<BR>>> the internet for his photo and see if he was the perso=
n I saw in<BR>> my dream.<BR>>> It was a guru from the lineage of =
Paramahamsa Yogananda (before<BR>> him). Though<BR>>> he is appare=
ntly well-known, I was not knowledegable about this<BR>> lineage and<BR>=
>> did not see his picture before. I searched on the internet and<BR>=
> found a<BR>>> photo. Interestingly, the photo was very close to =
the person I saw<BR>> in
my<BR>>> dream. The person that Manish t=
ransformed into in my dream looked<BR>> like a<BR>>> slightly youn=
ger version of that photo.<BR>>><BR>>> When I confirmed this to=
Manish, he only smiled and<BR>> said, "Narasimha, there<BR>>> are=
so many links between various lineages. Leave it for now."<BR>>><BR>=
>> Of course, I do not know much about kriya yoga or about the<BR>>=
; lineage of<BR>>> Paramahamsa Yogananda. Our lineage of this life st=
arts from<BR>> Dattatreya. We<BR>>> have a special attachment to R=
amakrishna Paramahamsa and his<BR>> lineage and got<BR>>> a lot of=
our knowledge, inspiration and perhaps experience from<BR>> them. We do=
<BR>>> not have any direct link to the lineage of Paramahamsa Yoganan=
da.<BR>> But,<BR>>> Manish thought there were some other indirect =
links. Moreover, he<BR>> guessed<BR>>> who I saw, even though I my=
self had no idea who
I saw, and he<BR>> guessed<BR>>> correctly. =
That should count for something!<BR>>><BR>>> I will not be surp=
rised if there are indeed subtle connections<BR>> between<BR>>> se=
veral lineages that seem disjoint today.<BR>>><BR>>> By the way=
, Swami Vivekananda also appeared in the prison cell of<BR>> Sri<BR>>=
> Aurobindo (who wrote brilliant commentaries on Veda and Upanishad)<BR>=
> and<BR>>> imparted him some Adwaita knowledge to Sri Aurobindo.<=
BR>>><BR>>> * * *<BR>>><BR>>> An interesting coinci=
dence is that a swamiji from Puri contacted<BR>> me within a<BR>>>=
few days after I saw that photo. His guru and Paramahamsa<BR>> Yoganand=
a were<BR>>> co-disciples of the same guru (Yukteshwar Maharaj). He i=
s the<BR>> keeper of<BR>>> some astrological knowledge that his gu=
ru received from Yukteshwar<BR>> Maharaj.<BR>>> He visited me afte=
r a month,
discussed that knowledge and spent a<BR>> day at my<BR>>&=
gt; house. Thus, some small connection was made with a representative<BR>&g=
t; of that<BR>>> lineage soon after the dream. After all, some karmik=
debts may<BR>> have been<BR>>> there...<BR>>><BR>>> *=
* *<BR>>><BR>>> I want to make one thing clear.<BR>>><BR=
>>> Some things I mention like this may give the impression that my<B=
R>> guru has<BR>>> some psychic abilities or siddhis. That may ind=
eed be true. But he<BR>> always<BR>>> downplays those things and a=
ttaches no importance whatsoever. He<BR>> says,<BR>>> "Narasimha, =
I am a useless person and lower than dirt and capable<BR>> of<BR>>>=
; nothing. It is all Her power. She is the connection between every<BR>>=
entity in<BR>>> this universe. She may choose an idiot like me as an=
instrument<BR>> sometimes<BR>>> and do something using me. I have=
no
special abilities of any<BR>> kind. Any<BR>>> coincidences yo=
u find are just Her grace and not due to me."<BR>>><BR>>> I rea=
lized in time that this simplicity, humility and lack of ego<BR>> is not=
<BR>>> fake. I also realized that this lack of ego is what enabled hi=
m to<BR>> do things<BR>>> that sound impossible or difficult. In f=
act, I realized that many<BR>> great<BR>>> saints in the past were=
like this. Several magical things happened<BR>> through<BR>>> the=
m, but they did not find any pride in them and retained their<BR>> humil=
ity<BR>>> and sense of surrender to their chosen form of god and beli=
eved<BR>> that god<BR>>> was the doer of all things and they were =
mere instruments.<BR>>><BR>>> The day you also start believing =
that, not for the sake of<BR>> lecturing or<BR>>> posturing, but f=
rom the deep cores of your heart, your sadhana<BR>> will
bear<BR>>&g=
t; fruit.<BR>>><BR>>> Best regards,<BR>>> Narasimha<BR>&g=
t;> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -<BR>=
>> Do a Short Homam Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.o=
rg/homam" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ h=
omam</A><BR>>> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedi=
castrologer.org/tarpana" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst=
rologer.org/ tarpana</A><BR>>> Spirituality: <A href=3D"http://group=
s.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://group=
s. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom</A><BR>>> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3=
): <A href=3D"http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dno=
follow>http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net</A><BR>>> Free Jyotish so=
ftware (Windows): <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/" target=3D_bla=
nk rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org</A><BR>>> Sri Jagan=
nath
Centre (SJC) website: <A href=3D"http://www.srijagannath.org/" target=
=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.SriJagan nath.org</A><BR>>> -----=
------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - <BR>>><BR=
>>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>> From: "Dinesh Nambisan"=
<dinesh@...><BR>>> To: <<A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40ya=
hoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. co=
m</A>><BR>>> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 5:54 PM<BR>>> =
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Yogananda (Re: Dharma)<BR>>><BR>>><BR>&=
gt;> --- In <A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_=
blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>, "Narasimha P.V.R. =
Rao" <pvr@><BR>>> wrote:<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Dear=
Lakshmi,<BR>>> ><BR>>> > The Yogananda I mentioned is di=
fferent. Swami Yogananda is one of<BR>>> the sixteen monastic discipl=
es of
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, along<BR>> with<BR>>> Swami Viveka=
nanda. He was forced to marry, but never slept with his<BR>>> own wif=
e. Swami Vivekananda once said "if any of us (disciples of<BR>>> Rama=
krishna) conquered lust completely and in all respects, it is<BR>>> J=
oginder (Swami Yogananda)". There is no question of Swami<BR>> Yogananda=
<BR>>> being accused of drinking and having women etc.<BR>>> &g=
t;<BR>>> > Paramahamsa Yogananda is a sishya of Yukteshwar Maharaj=
and from<BR>> the<BR>>> lineage of Mahavatar Babaji. They practic=
e kriya yoga. I do not<BR>> know<BR>>> much about him.<BR>>>=
<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> For what it is worth, you can read mor=
e about Paramahamsa<BR>> Yogananda in<BR>>> his free+online autobi=
ography,<BR>>> here <A href=3D"http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiog=
raphy_of_a_Yogi" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://en.wikisourc e.org/w=
iki/
Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi</A><BR>>><BR>>> There were inter=
esting links between Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and<BR>>> Paramahamsa Yo=
gananda:-<BR>>> For example, one of the top disciples of Ramakrishna =
Paramahamsa<BR>> was<BR>>> Mahendranath Gupta (not sure if he was =
one of the 16 monastic<BR>>> disciples that Narasimhaji refers to) ak=
a Master Mahasaya, who<BR>> wrote<BR>>> "The Gospel of Ramakrishna=
"<BR>>> (<A href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahendranath_Gupta" =
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Mahendranath_=
Gupta</A>), and was the<BR>>> sanskrit tutor to Paramahamsa Yoganand=
a as well; the latter<BR>> devoted an<BR>>> entire chapter to him =
in his<BR>>> book :<BR>> <A href=3D"http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/=
Autobiography_of_a_Yogi/Chapter_9" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://en=
.wikisourc e.org/wiki/ Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi/
Chapter_9</A><BR>>>=
<BR>>> Elsewhere in his autobiography Paramhamsa Yogananda also menti=
ons<BR>> an<BR>>> anecdote of a disciple to whom he gifted a silve=
r cup, who as a<BR>> young<BR>>> man was told by Swami Vivekandana=
that the Guru in his life would<BR>>> present him with a silver cup =
in the future.<BR>>> <A href=3D"http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobio=
graphy_of_a_Yogi/Chapter_47" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://en.wikis=
ourc e.org/wiki/ Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi/ Chapter_47</A><BR>>><BR>&g=
t;> Makes you wonder about the Divine connection between all these<BR>&g=
t;> supremely elevated souls!<BR>>><BR>>> Best.<BR><BR></DIV=
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Dear Rajarshiji, I would interfere with your kind permission. I have worked=
on this issue and my findings are as under.
1. At the time of Dixa general=
ly Saturn is connected to Sun and/or Moon by conjunction, opposition or asp=
ect but most probably conjunction/opposition
2 At the time when Jupiter is =
over or opposing natal Saturn=C2=A0/ =C2=A0or=C2=A0 Saturn is over or oppos=
ing natal Jupiter
Dr.Ashwin Rawal
--- On Thu, 2/10/08, rajarshi nandy <ra=

jarshi14@...> wrote:
From: rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@...>=

To: ve=
Date: Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 10:24 PM
=
Dear Narasimhaji'
=C2=A0
If you do not mind, can you tell us the year/=
month when you got diksha from your sadguru, I am trying understand through=
jyotish when someone gets his sadguru, and what combinations are needed.
=
=C2=A0
-Regards
=C2=A0Rajarshi
"This above all: to thine own self be tru=

e!" - Hamlet
--- On Thu, 2/10/08, Ashwin Rawal <ashwinrawal@ yahoo.co. in>=

wrote:
From: Ashwin Rawal <ashwinrawal@ yahoo.co. in>

Subject: Re: [vedic=
-wisdom] Right deity and sadhana (Re: Yogananda)
To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogro=
ups. com
Date: Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 5:14 PM
Dear Narsimhaji, =
You mentioned the appearance of mother before you. Can you kindly clarify w=
hich mother? you mean Sharda devi (Thakurain Ma) or Goddess Durga ? Kindly =
answer this immediately as I am excited to know this trutth about homa.
Dr=
.Ashwin Rawal
--- On Thu, 2/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net>=

wrote:

om] Right deity and sadhana (Re: Yogananda)
To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. =
com
Date: Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 4:21 A=
M
Namaste,
Choosing the right deity for sadhana is important. If you d=

o not know the
right deity, just doing some sadhana is definitely better t=
han waiting. Pick
Ple=
ase remember that sadhana for spiritual progress is different from
sadhana=
for specific material benefits. No matter which deity you worship,
sadhan=
a performed for spiritual progress never goes waste. However,
sometimes it=
may be necessary to experience the results of some bad karmas
before some=
good things happen. Imagine all your karmas lying in a pile in a
basket. =
Suppose some of the really good karmas that will enable you to do
serious =
sadhana and experience great things lie at the bottom or middle of
the pil=
e. When you start sadhana, suppose god decides to give you the fruits
of t=
hose auspicious karmas. Imagine him reaching into the pile and
retrieving =
those karmas. In the process, some other karmas may spill over
and give th=
eir fruits. Some of those may be undesirable. So what? They had
to be expe=
rienced sometime or the other, anyway!
A serious sadhaka should never be d=

isheartened by a few seemingly
undesirable results after starting a spirit=
ual sadhana. Just keep going.
One gentleman I know received mantra for Kaa=

li from a very good
priest-cum-yogi in late 2005. After he did the mantra =
for a few days, he was
laid off and lost his job. He was not perturbed. He=
continued his sadhana
and used the break to go on an extended trip to Ind=
ia and make a pilgrimage
to some nice places. He participated in the Shata=
Chandi homam we conducted
at the Kaalikambal temple in Chennai in March 2=
006. He met my guru and got
the opportunity to be his room mate for a week=
when we stayed at the house
of a priest during the homam. He could observ=
e and interact with my guru
very closely. Most importantly, when my guru h=
ad a vision of the Mother on
2006 March 3 afternoon, in which She told him=
to start the work on spreading
homam in the world, this gentleman was pre=
sent there. Though he could not
see the Mother, he actually smelled someth=
ing out of the world and was
baffled. He knew something was going on, but =
did not know what. The temple
was closed at the time and my guru and this =
gentlemen were the only people
on the premises when the Mother appeared. E=
ven though he could not see the
Mother, it was most fortunate of him to be=
present there at *that* crucial
moment. That is enough to mould the rest =
of his life.
You never know how, when and where the grace of god falls on =
you.
Calculations and logic are useless when it comes to the grace of god.=
Just
f=
ine-tuning, somebody will appear to tell you that. Any bad things that
hap=
pen when doing a spiritual sadhana should be viewed as nature settling
som=
e debts so that you are prepared to receive the fruits of some really
ausp=
icious karmas.
As Shirdi Sai Baba says, you should have "sraddha and sabur=
i". Have devotion
and patience. There is no limit to what you can get then=
.
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------ --------- --------- --------- -----=
---- --------- -
Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org=
/ homam
Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpan=
a
Free Jyotish =
lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net
Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org
Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) websit=
e: http://www.SriJagan nath.org
------------ --------- --------- --------- =
--------- --------- -

> Namaste Sir
> what =
you said makes a lot sense and it was marvellous
> but i have some small do=
ubts
>
> how can=
they chooose a particular form of GOD
> bcoz in second part of AGHORA, Vim=
alanda, said choosing right deity
> is very important, as the analogy he ga=
ve of a person
> who is greedy and worships LAKSHMI , may increase his gree=
d
>
> One thing more
> we have so many deities that on diwali i would like =
to worship
> Lakshmi and Kali
> in navaratri (nowadays) we would worship Du=
rga
> on janmashtami we would fast for KRISHNA
> an on MAHASHIVARATRI for S=
HIVA
> like this
>
> though=
everybody knows GOD is ONE but it becomes difficult to get
> out of this
>=
mould and if i didnt worship her may be that GOD/GODDESS may become
> angr=
y
>
=
>
> One thing more
>
> Suppose if i choose a deity and something wrong happ=
ens
> (materiallistically )
>
> what should i consider that my deity was he=
lping me to clear my
> DEBTS/WRONG DEEDS
> or the NATURE was telling me to =
change the DEITY as I am not fit
> for that DEITY
>
> and sometimes you fee=
l
>
>
> wha=
t if we go on doing our pooja and someday
> something like what happened to=
Pt. GOPI KRISHNA JI
> though he says in his book that=
he read a lot about yoga
>
> At any stage i do not w=
ant you people to get offended
> but these are my doubts which are there in=
my mind
>
> Swami Sivananda's KUNDALINI =
YOGA on the last page he says
>
> "the shastras are endless and there is so=
much to be known
> =
dive deep into the divine source and realise the infinite bliss"
>
> ******=
****** ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ***
> *
=
>
> around 26 or 27 dec.2007 i =
started chanting 2 mantras (one kar mala
> each)
>=
and on 9 january 2008 my parents met an accident
> though my father suffer=
ed small injuries my mother suffred fracture
>
> and =
she is still undergoing treatment and will have to
> undergo one more opera=
tion in this month
>
> 2 com=
panies (i m doing MCA in india) where most of my friends have
> not
> even =
got one and let me tell you i m not very intelligent
>
> so sometimes even =
now i consider whether my choosen deity is correct
> or not
>
> so everyday=
in the end of my pooja what i ask GOD is
=
> ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* =
***
> **
>
> regards
> jitender
>
> --- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, =
"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
> <pvr@...> wrote:
>>
>> Namaste,
>>
>> > Makes you =
wonder about the Divine connection between all these
>> > supremely elevate=
d souls!
>>
>> Earlier, I was exerting discretion in sharing personal accou=
nts,
> but She has
>> been making me drop guard of late, for whatever reaso=
n. I will
> continue in
>>
>> I ha=
d a dream a couple of years ago early in the morning. In the
> dream,
>> th=
ere was a big ritual fire. My guru Manish Pandit and I were
> sitting in
>>=
front of the fire. He was teaching me some pranayama techniques in
> the
>=
> dream. Suddenly, he changed into somebody else that I could not
> recogni=
ze.
>>
>> I mentioned this dream t=
o my guru after a couple of weeks. First
> he said he
>> did not know who t=
he other person was and said he would've
> probably known if
>> I had menti=
oned the dream soon after it had happened. I left it
> there.
>> However, w=
hen we talked in the next weekend, he referred to my
> dream and
>> said he=
had an idea who it was. He gave me a name and asked me to
> search on
>> t=
he internet for his photo and see if he was the person I saw in
> my dream.=

> him).=
Though
=
> lineage and
>> did not see his picture before. I searched on the internet=
and
> found a
>> photo. Interestingly, the photo was very close to the per=
son I saw
> in my
>> dream. The person that Manish transformed into in my d=
ream looked
> like a
>>
>> When =
I confirmed this to Manish, he only smiled and
>>=
are so many links between various lineages. Leave it for now."
>>
>> Of co=
urse, I do not know much about kriya yoga or about the
> lineage of
>> Para=
mahamsa Yogananda. Our lineage of this life starts from
> Dattatreya. We
>>=
have a special attachment to Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and his
> lineage and=
got
>> a lot of our knowledge, inspiration and perhaps experience from
> t=
hem. We do
>> not have any direct link to the lineage of Paramahamsa Yogana=
nda.
> But,
>> Manish thought there were some other indirect links. Moreove=
r, he
> guessed
>> who I saw, even though I myself had no idea who I saw, a=
nd he
> guessed
>>
>> I will=
not be surprised if there are indeed subtle connections
> between
>> sever=
al lineages that seem disjoint today.
>>
>> By the way, Swami Vivekananda a=
lso appeared in the prison cell of
> Sri
>> Aurobindo (who wrote brilliant =
commentaries on Veda and Upanishad)
> and
>> imparted him some Adwaita know=
ledge to Sri Aurobindo.
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> An interesting coincidence is tha=
t a swamiji from Puri contacted
> me within a
>> few days after I saw that =
photo. His guru and Paramahamsa
> Yogananda were
>> co-disciples of the sam=
e guru (Yukteshwar Maharaj). He is the
> keeper of
>> some astrological kno=
wledge that his guru received from Yukteshwar
> Maharaj.
>> He visited me a=
fter a month, discussed that knowledge and spent a
> day at my
>> house. Th=
us, some small connection was made with a representative
> of that
>> linea=
ge soon after the dream. After all, some karmik debts may
> have been
>> th=
ere...
>>
>> * * *
>>
>>
>> Some things =
I mention like this may give the impression that my
> guru has
>> some psyc=
hic abilities or siddhis. That may indeed be true. But he
> always
>> downp=
lays those things and attaches no importance whatsoever. He
> says,
>> "Nar=
asimha, I am a useless person and lower than dirt and capable
> of
>> nothi=
ng. It is all Her power. She is the connection between every
> entity in
>>=
this universe. She may choose an idiot like me as an instrument
> sometime=
s
>> and do something using me. I have no special abilities of any
> kind. =
Any
>> coincidences you find are just Her grace and not due to me."
>>
>> I=
realized in time that this simplicity, humility and lack of ego
> is not
>=
> fake. I also realized that this lack of ego is what enabled him to
> do t=
hings
>> that sound impossible or difficult. In fact, I realized that many
=
> great
>> saints in the past were like this. Several magical things happen=
ed
> through
>> them, but they did not find any pride in them and retained =
their
> humility
>> and sense of surrender to their chosen form of god and =
believed
> that god
>> was the doer of all things and they were mere instru=
ments.
>>
> l=
ecturing or
>> posturing, but from the deep cores of your heart, your sadha=
na
> will bear
>> fruit.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Narasimha
>> ------------ -=
-------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
>> Do a Short Homam Your=
self: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam
>> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:=
http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana
>> Spirituality: http://groups. y=
ahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom
>> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicas=
tro. home.comcast. net
>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.Vedic=
Ast rologer.org
>> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan =
nath.org
>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- =
-
>>
>> From: "Dinesh Nambisan" <dinesh@.=
..>
>> To: <vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 29, =
2008 5:54 PM
>>
>>
>> ---=
In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>
>> wrote:=
>> >
>> > Dear Lakshmi,
>> >
>> > The Yogananda I mentioned is different. =
Swami Yogananda is one of
>> the sixteen monastic disciples of Ramakrishna =
Paramahamsa, along
> with
>> Swami Vivekananda. He was forced to marry, but=
never slept with his
>> own wife. Swami Vivekananda once said "if any of u=
s (disciples of
>> Ramakrishna) conquered lust completely and in all respec=
ts, it is
> Y=
ogananda
>> >
>> > Param=
ahamsa Yogananda is a sishya of Yukteshwar Maharaj and from
> the
>> lineag=
e of Mahavatar Babaji. They practice kriya yoga. I do not
> know
>> much ab=
out him.
>>
>>
>>
>> For what it is worth, you can read more about Paramaha=
msa
> Yogananda in
>> here http://en.wiki=
sourc e.org/wiki/ Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi
>>
>> There were interesting lin=
ks between Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and
>> For ex=
ample, one of the top disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
> was
>> Mahendr=
anath Gupta (not sure if he was one of the 16 monastic
>> disciples that Na=
rasimhaji refers to) aka Master Mahasaya, who
> wrote
>> "The Gospel of Ram=
akrishna"
>> (http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Mahendranath_ Gupta), and was =
the
>> sanskrit tutor to Paramahamsa Yogananda as well; the latter
> devote=
d an
>> book :
> http://en.wikisourc e.org/=
wiki/ Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi/ Chapter_9
>>
>> Elsewhere in his autobiogra=
phy Paramhamsa Yogananda also mentions
> an
>> anecdote of a disciple to wh=
om he gifted a silver cup, who as a
> young
>> man was told by Swami Viveka=
ndana that the Guru in his life would
>> present him with a silver cup in t=
he future.
>> http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/ Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi/ Cha=
pter_47
>>
>> Makes you wonder about the Divine connection between all thes=
e
>>
>> Best.
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Dear Rajarshiji, I would interfere with =
your kind permission. I have worked on this issue and my findings are as un=
der.</DIV>
<DIV>1. At the time of Dixa generally Saturn is connected to Sun=
and/or Moon by conjunction, opposition or aspect but most probably conjunc=
tion/opposition</DIV>
<DIV>2 At the time when Jupiter is over or opposing n=
atal Saturn / or Saturn is over or opposing natal Jupiter<=
BR><BR><FONT face=3D"comic sans ms" color=3D#212143><STRONG>Dr.Ashwin Rawal=
</STRONG></FONT><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 2/10/08, rajarshi nandy <I><rajar=
shi14@...></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING=
-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: =
rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@...><BR>Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom=
] Right deity and sadhana (Re: Yogananda)<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.c=
om<BR>Date: Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 10:24 PM<BR><BR>
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9590>
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<DIV>Dear Narasimhaji'</DIV>
<DIV>&=
nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>If you do not mind, can you tell us the year/month when yo=
u got diksha from your sadguru, I am trying understand through jyotish when=
someone gets his sadguru, and what combinations are needed.</DIV>
<DIV>&nb=
sp;</DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV><EM><S=
TRONG>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR=
: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This above all: to thine own self be true!" =
- Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 2/=
10/08, Ashwin Rawal <I><ashwinrawal@ yahoo.co. in></I></B> wrote:<BR>=
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Ashwin R=

awal <ashwinrawal@ yahoo.co. in><BR>Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Right=
deity and sadhana (Re: Yogananda)<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com<BR=
>Date: Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 5:14 PM<BR><BR>
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<TD vAlign=3Dtop>Dear Narsimhaji, You mentioned the appeara=
nce of mother before you. Can you kindly clarify which mother? you mean Sha=
rda devi (Thakurain Ma) or Goddess Durga ? Kindly answer this immediately a=
s I am excited to know this trutth about homa.<BR><BR><FONT face=3D"comic s=
ans ms" color=3D#212143><STRONG>Dr.Ashwin Rawal</STRONG></FONT><BR><BR>--- =
On <B>Thu, 2/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@charter. net></I></B=
> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">Fr=
om: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom=
] Right deity and sadhana (Re: Yogananda)<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups.=
com<BR>Cc: sivacharya@yahoogro ups.com<BR>Date: Thursday, 2 October, 2008,=
4:21 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV>Namaste,<=
BR><BR>Choosing the right deity for sadhana is important. If you do not kno=
w the <BR>right deity, just doing some sadhana is definitely better than wa=
iting. Pick <BR>whatever deity seems natural to you and do sadhana.<BR><BR>=
Please remember that sadhana for spiritual progress is different from <BR>s=
adhana for specific material benefits. No matter which deity you worship, <=
BR>sadhana performed for spiritual progress never goes waste. However, <BR>=
sometimes it may be necessary to experience the results of some bad karmas =
<BR>before some good things happen. Imagine all your karmas lying in a pile=
in a <BR>basket. Suppose some of the really good karmas that will enable y=
ou to do <BR>serious sadhana and experience great things lie at the bottom =
or middle of <BR>the pile. When you start sadhana, suppose god decides to g=
ive you the fruits <BR>of those auspicious karmas. Imagine him reaching int=
o the pile and <BR>retrieving those karmas. In the
process, some other kar=
mas may spill over <BR>and give their fruits. Some of those may be undesira=
ble. So what? They had <BR>to be experienced sometime or the other, anyway!=
<BR><BR>A serious sadhaka should never be disheartened by a few seemingly <=
BR>undesirable results after starting a spiritual sadhana. Just keep going.=
<BR><BR>One gentleman I know received mantra for Kaali from a very good <BR=
>priest-cum-yogi in late 2005. After he did the mantra for a few days, he w=
as <BR>laid off and lost his job. He was not perturbed. He continued his sa=
dhana <BR>and used the break to go on an extended trip to India and make a =
pilgrimage <BR>to some nice places. He participated in the Shata Chandi hom=
am we conducted <BR>at the Kaalikambal temple in Chennai in March 2006. He =
met my guru and got <BR>the opportunity to be his room mate for a week when=
we stayed at the house <BR>of a priest during the homam. He could observe =
and interact with my guru <BR>very closely.
Most importantly, when my guru=
had a vision of the Mother on <BR>2006 March 3 afternoon, in which She tol=
d him to start the work on spreading <BR>homam in the world, this gentleman=
was present there. Though he could not <BR>see the Mother, he actually sme=
lled something out of the world and was <BR>baffled. He knew something was =
going on, but did not know what. The temple <BR>was closed at the time and =
my guru and this gentlemen were the only people <BR>on the premises when th=
e Mother appeared. Even though he could not see the <BR>Mother, it was most=
fortunate of him to be present there at *that* crucial <BR>moment. That is=
enough to mould the rest of his life.<BR><BR>You never know how, when and =
where the grace of god falls on you. <BR>Calculations and logic are useless=
when it comes to the grace of god. Just <BR>surrender and keep doing whate=
ver sadhana you picked. If it needs <BR>fine-tuning, somebody will appear t=
o tell you that. Any bad things that
<BR>happen when doing a spiritual sad=
hana should be viewed as nature settling <BR>some debts so that you are pre=
pared to receive the fruits of some really <BR>auspicious karmas.<BR><BR>As=
Shirdi Sai Baba says, you should have "sraddha and saburi". Have devotion =
<BR>and patience. There is no limit to what you can get then.<BR><BR>Best r=
egards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------ --------- --------- --------- --------=
- --------- -<BR>Do a Short Homam Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastr=
ologer.org/homam" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologe=
r.org/ homam</A><BR>Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedic=
astrologer.org/tarpana" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst =
rologer.org/ tarpana</A><BR>Spirituality: <A href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.co=
m/group/vedic-wisdom" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://groups. yahoo.c=
om/ group/vedic- wisdom</A><BR>Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <A href=3D"http:=
//vedicastro.home.comcast.net/" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://vedi=
castro. home.comcast. net</A><BR>Free Jyotish software (Windows): <A href=
=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://=
www.VedicAst rologer.org</A><BR>Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <A href=
=3D"http://www.srijagannath.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www=
.SriJagan nath.org</A><BR>------------ --------- --------- --------- ------=
--- --------- - <BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>> Namaste Sir<B=
R>> what you said makes a lot sense and it was marvellous<BR>> but i =
have some small doubts<BR>><BR>> Leaving astrology aside and those wh=
o do not have a guru<BR>> how can they chooose a particular form of GOD<=
BR>> bcoz in second part of AGHORA, Vimalanda, said choosing right deity=
<BR>> is very important, as the analogy he gave of a person<BR>> who =
is greedy and worships LAKSHMI , may increase his greed<BR>><BR>> One=
thing more<BR>> we have so many deities that on
diwali i would like to=
worship<BR>> Lakshmi and Kali<BR>> in navaratri (nowadays) we would =
worship Durga<BR>> on janmashtami we would fast for KRISHNA<BR>> an o=
n MAHASHIVARATRI for SHIVA<BR>> like this<BR>> with hte change in fes=
tival the deity changes<BR>><BR>> though everybody knows GOD is ONE b=
ut it becomes difficult to get<BR>> out of this<BR>> mould and if i d=
idnt worship her may be that GOD/GODDESS may become<BR>> angry<BR>><B=
R>> I Know,this is my foolishness but stiil this thing hangs in the mind=
<BR>><BR>> One thing more<BR>><BR>> Suppose if i choose a deity=
and something wrong happens<BR>> (materiallistically )<BR>><BR>> =
what should i consider that my deity was helping me to clear my<BR>> DEB=
TS/WRONG DEEDS<BR>> or the NATURE was telling me to change the DEITY as =
I am not fit<BR>> for that DEITY<BR>><BR>> and sometimes you feel<=
BR>> o what am i doing does this really
works<BR>><BR>> and one t=
hing more<BR>><BR>> what if we go on doing our pooja and someday<BR>&=
gt; something like what happened to Pt. GOPI KRISHNA JI<BR>> happens to =
us also<BR>> though he says in his book that he read a lot about yoga<BR=
>> and stuff like this<BR>><BR>> At any stage i do not want you pe=
ople to get offended<BR>> but these are my doubts which are there in my =
mind<BR>><BR>> i will not say much now bcoz in<BR>> Swami Sivanand=
a's KUNDALINI YOGA on the last page he says<BR>><BR>> "the shastras a=
re endless and there is so much to be known<BR>> turn the gaze. draw the=
indriyas.still the mind.then<BR>> dive deep into the divine source and =
realise the infinite bliss"<BR>><BR>> ************ ********* ********=
* ********* ********* ********* ********* ***<BR>> *<BR>> i ll give o=
ne small personal example here<BR>><BR>> around 26 or 27 dec.2007 i s=
tarted chanting 2 mantras (one kar
mala<BR>> each)<BR>> in morning a=
nd evening<BR>> and on 9 january 2008 my parents met an accident<BR>>=
though my father suffered small injuries my mother suffred fracture<BR>>=
; in shoulder and Leg<BR>><BR>> and she is still undergoing treatment=
and will have to<BR>> undergo one more operation in this month<BR>><=
BR>> and in February and March i got placement in<BR>> 2 companies (i=
m doing MCA in india) where most of my friends have<BR>> not<BR>> ev=
en got one and let me tell you i m not very intelligent<BR>><BR>> so =
sometimes even now i consider whether my choosen deity is correct<BR>> o=
r not<BR>><BR>> so everyday in the end of my pooja what i ask GOD is<=
BR>> to help me find the right path<BR>> ************ ********* *****=
**** ********* ********* ********* ********* ***<BR>> **<BR>><BR>>=
regards<BR>> jitender<BR>><BR>> --- In <A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wi=
sdom%40yahoogroups.com"
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoo=
groups. com</A>, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"<BR>> <pvr@...> wrote:<BR>&=
gt;><BR>>> Namaste,<BR>>><BR>>> > Makes you wonder =
about the Divine connection between all these<BR>>> > supremely el=
evated souls!<BR>>><BR>>> Earlier, I was exerting discretion in=
sharing personal accounts,<BR>> but She has<BR>>> been making me =
drop guard of late, for whatever reason. I will<BR>> continue in<BR>>=
> the same vein for a little more time.<BR>>><BR>>> I had a =
dream a couple of years ago early in the morning. In the<BR>> dream,<BR>=
>> there was a big ritual fire. My guru Manish Pandit and I were<BR>&=
gt; sitting in<BR>>> front of the fire. He was teaching me some prana=
yama techniques in<BR>> the<BR>>> dream. Suddenly, he changed into=
somebody else that I could not<BR>> recognize.<BR>>> It was not a=
nybody I had seen
before.<BR>>><BR>>> I mentioned this dream t=
o my guru after a couple of weeks. First<BR>> he said he<BR>>> did=
not know who the other person was and said he would've<BR>> probably kn=
own if<BR>>> I had mentioned the dream soon after it had happened. I =
left it<BR>> there.<BR>>> However, when we talked in the next week=
end, he referred to my<BR>> dream and<BR>>> said he had an idea wh=
o it was. He gave me a name and asked me to<BR>> search on<BR>>> t=
he internet for his photo and see if he was the person I saw in<BR>> my =
dream.<BR>>> It was a guru from the lineage of Paramahamsa Yogananda =
(before<BR>> him). Though<BR>>> he is apparently well-known, I was=
not knowledegable about this<BR>> lineage and<BR>>> did not see h=
is picture before. I searched on the internet and<BR>> found a<BR>>&g=
t; photo. Interestingly, the photo was very close to the person I saw<BR>&g=
t; in
my<BR>>> dream. The person that Manish transformed into in my =
dream looked<BR>> like a<BR>>> slightly younger version of that ph=
oto.<BR>>><BR>>> When I confirmed this to Manish, he only smile=
d and<BR>> said, "Narasimha, there<BR>>> are so many links between=
various lineages. Leave it for now."<BR>>><BR>>> Of course, I =
do not know much about kriya yoga or about the<BR>> lineage of<BR>>&g=
t; Paramahamsa Yogananda. Our lineage of this life starts from<BR>> Datt=
atreya. We<BR>>> have a special attachment to Ramakrishna Paramahamsa=
and his<BR>> lineage and got<BR>>> a lot of our knowledge, inspir=
ation and perhaps experience from<BR>> them. We do<BR>>> not have =
any direct link to the lineage of Paramahamsa Yogananda.<BR>> But,<BR>&g=
t;> Manish thought there were some other indirect links. Moreover, he<BR=
>> guessed<BR>>> who I saw, even though I myself had no idea who
=
I saw, and he<BR>> guessed<BR>>> correctly. That should count for =
something!<BR>>><BR>>> I will not be surprised if there are ind=
eed subtle connections<BR>> between<BR>>> several lineages that se=
em disjoint today.<BR>>><BR>>> By the way, Swami Vivekananda al=
so appeared in the prison cell of<BR>> Sri<BR>>> Aurobindo (who wr=
ote brilliant commentaries on Veda and Upanishad)<BR>> and<BR>>> i=
mparted him some Adwaita knowledge to Sri Aurobindo.<BR>>><BR>>>=
; * * *<BR>>><BR>>> An interesting coincidence is that a swamij=
i from Puri contacted<BR>> me within a<BR>>> few days after I saw =
that photo. His guru and Paramahamsa<BR>> Yogananda were<BR>>> co-=
disciples of the same guru (Yukteshwar Maharaj). He is the<BR>> keeper o=
f<BR>>> some astrological knowledge that his guru received from Yukte=
shwar<BR>> Maharaj.<BR>>> He visited me after a month,
discussed =
that knowledge and spent a<BR>> day at my<BR>>> house. Thus, some =
small connection was made with a representative<BR>> of that<BR>>>=
lineage soon after the dream. After all, some karmik debts may<BR>> hav=
e been<BR>>> there...<BR>>><BR>>> * * *<BR>>><BR>&g=
t;> I want to make one thing clear.<BR>>><BR>>> Some things =
I mention like this may give the impression that my<BR>> guru has<BR>>=
;> some psychic abilities or siddhis. That may indeed be true. But he<BR=
>> always<BR>>> downplays those things and attaches no importance =
whatsoever. He<BR>> says,<BR>>> "Narasimha, I am a useless person =
and lower than dirt and capable<BR>> of<BR>>> nothing. It is all H=
er power. She is the connection between every<BR>> entity in<BR>>>=
this universe. She may choose an idiot like me as an instrument<BR>> so=
metimes<BR>>> and do something using me. I have no
special abilities=
of any<BR>> kind. Any<BR>>> coincidences you find are just Her gr=
ace and not due to me."<BR>>><BR>>> I realized in time that thi=
s simplicity, humility and lack of ego<BR>> is not<BR>>> fake. I a=
lso realized that this lack of ego is what enabled him to<BR>> do things=
<BR>>> that sound impossible or difficult. In fact, I realized that m=
any<BR>> great<BR>>> saints in the past were like this. Several ma=
gical things happened<BR>> through<BR>>> them, but they did not fi=
nd any pride in them and retained their<BR>> humility<BR>>> and se=
nse of surrender to their chosen form of god and believed<BR>> that god<=
BR>>> was the doer of all things and they were mere instruments.<BR>&=
gt;><BR>>> The day you also start believing that, not for the sake=
of<BR>> lecturing or<BR>>> posturing, but from the deep cores of =
your heart, your sadhana<BR>> will
bear<BR>>> fruit.<BR>>><=
BR>>> Best regards,<BR>>> Narasimha<BR>>> ------------ --=
------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -<BR>>> Do a Short Ho=
mam Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/homam" target=3D_bl=
ank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam</A><BR>>> D=
o Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/tarpan=
a" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana<=
/A><BR>>> Spirituality: <A href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedi=
c-wisdom" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ve=
dic- wisdom</A><BR>>> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <A href=3D"http://v=
edicastro.home.comcast.net/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://vedicast=
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ref=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http=
://www.VedicAst rologer.org</A><BR>>> Sri Jagannath
Centre (SJC) web=
site: <A href=3D"http://www.srijagannath.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofoll=
ow>http://www.SriJagan nath.org</A><BR>>> ------------ --------- ----=
----- --------- --------- --------- - <BR>>><BR>>> ----- Origin=
al Message ----- <BR>>> From: "Dinesh Nambisan" <dinesh@...><BR=
>>> To: <<A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=
=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>><BR>>>=
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 5:54 PM<BR>>> Subject: [vedic-wisdo=
m] Yogananda (Re: Dharma)<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> --- In <A hre=
f=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>=
vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@><BR>=
>> wrote:<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Dear Lakshmi,<BR>>>=
><BR>>> > The Yogananda I mentioned is different. Swami Yogana=
nda is one of<BR>>> the sixteen monastic disciples of
Ramakrishna Pa=
ramahamsa, along<BR>> with<BR>>> Swami Vivekananda. He was forced =
to marry, but never slept with his<BR>>> own wife. Swami Vivekananda =
once said "if any of us (disciples of<BR>>> Ramakrishna) conquered lu=
st completely and in all respects, it is<BR>>> Joginder (Swami Yogana=
nda)". There is no question of Swami<BR>> Yogananda<BR>>> being ac=
cused of drinking and having women etc.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > P=
aramahamsa Yogananda is a sishya of Yukteshwar Maharaj and from<BR>> the=
<BR>>> lineage of Mahavatar Babaji. They practice kriya yoga. I do no=
t<BR>> know<BR>>> much about him.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>&=
gt;<BR>>> For what it is worth, you can read more about Paramahamsa<B=
R>> Yogananda in<BR>>> his free+online autobiography,<BR>>> =
here <A href=3D"http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi" targ=
et=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/
Autobiography_ =
of_a_Yogi</A><BR>>><BR>>> There were interesting links between =
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and<BR>>> Paramahamsa Yogananda:-<BR>>>=
For example, one of the top disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa<BR>> w=
as<BR>>> Mahendranath Gupta (not sure if he was one of the 16 monasti=
c<BR>>> disciples that Narasimhaji refers to) aka Master Mahasaya, wh=
o<BR>> wrote<BR>>> "The Gospel of Ramakrishna"<BR>>> (<A hre=
f=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahendranath_Gupta" target=3D_blank rel=
=3Dnofollow>http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Mahendranath_ Gupta</A>), and wa=
s the<BR>>> sanskrit tutor to Paramahamsa Yogananda as well; the latt=
er<BR>> devoted an<BR>>> entire chapter to him in his<BR>>> =
book :<BR>> <A href=3D"http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_=
Yogi/Chapter_9" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://en.wikisourc e.org/wi=
ki/ Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi/
Chapter_9</A><BR>>><BR>>> Elsewh=
ere in his autobiography Paramhamsa Yogananda also mentions<BR>> an<BR>&=
gt;> anecdote of a disciple to whom he gifted a silver cup, who as a<BR>=
> young<BR>>> man was told by Swami Vivekandana that the Guru in h=
is life would<BR>>> present him with a silver cup in the future.<BR>&=
gt;> <A href=3D"http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi/Ch=
apter_47" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/ Au=
tobiography_ of_a_Yogi/ Chapter_47</A><BR>>><BR>>> Makes you wo=
nder about the Divine connection between all these<BR>>> supremely el=
evated souls!<BR>>><BR>>> Best.<BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOC=
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ing natal Jupiter
3 When Jupiter is transitting 5th house or aspecting it. =
For Dixa one should have a connection between Saturn and Moon in the birth=
chart or in Navamsha chart or otherwise Saturn must be in the Ascendant. T=
his rule is compulsory otherwise he will take dixa=C2=A0under someone's inf=
luence but leave the Mantra or follow up dedication.
If one's Sun or Jupite=
r is in trine or sextile aspect with Neptune in the birth chart he will enj=
oy the grace and bliss of God 100% in this present life.
Dr.Ashwin Rawal
=
--- On Thu, 2/10/08, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@...> wrote:
From: =
rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@...>
Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Right d=
eity and sadhana (Re: Yogananda)
Date: Thu=
rsday, 2 October, 2008, 10:24 PM
Dear Narasimhaji'
=C2=A0
If you=
do not mind, can you tell us the year/month when you got diksha from your =
sadguru, I am trying understand through jyotish when someone gets his sadgu=
ru, and what combinations are needed.
=C2=A0
-Regards
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"Th=
--- On Thu, 2/10/08, As=

hwin Rawal <ashwinrawal@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:
From: Ashwin Rawal <ashwinra=

wal@ yahoo.co. in>
Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Right deity and sadhana (Re:=
Yogananda)
008, 5:14 PM
Dear Narsimhaji, You mentioned the appearance of mothe=

r before you. Can you kindly clarify which mother? you mean Sharda devi (Th=
akurain Ma) or Goddess Durga ? Kindly answer this immediately as I am excit=
ed to know this trutth about homa.
Dr.Ashwin Rawal
--- On Thu, 2/10/08, N=

arasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net> wrote:
From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <=

pvr@charter. net>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Right deity and sadhana (Re: Yoga=
nanda)
D=
ate: Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 4:21 AM
Namaste,
Choosing the right de=

ity for sadhana is important. If you do not know the
right deity, just doi=
ng some sadhana is definitely better than waiting. Pick
whatever deity see=
Please remember that sadhana for spiritu=

al progress is different from
sadhana for specific material benefits. No m=
atter which deity you worship,
sadhana performed for spiritual progress ne=
ver goes waste. However,
sometimes it may be necessary to experience the r=
esults of some bad karmas
before some good things happen. Imagine all your=
karmas lying in a pile in a
basket. Suppose some of the really good karma=
s that will enable you to do
serious sadhana and experience great things l=
ie at the bottom or middle of
the pile. When you start sadhana, suppose go=
d decides to give you the fruits
of those auspicious karmas. Imagine him r=
eaching into the pile and
retrieving those karmas. In the process, some ot=
her karmas may spill over
and give their fruits. Some of those may be unde=
sirable. So what? They had
to be experienced sometime or the other, anyway=
!

undes=
irable results after starting a spiritual sadhana. Just keep going.
One ge=
ntleman I know received mantra for Kaali from a very good
priest-cum-yogi =
in late 2005. After he did the mantra for a few days, he was
laid off and =
lost his job. He was not perturbed. He continued his sadhana
and used the =
break to go on an extended trip to India and make a pilgrimage
to some nic=
e places. He participated in the Shata Chandi homam we conducted
at the Ka=
alikambal temple in Chennai in March 2006. He met my guru and got
the oppo=
rtunity to be his room mate for a week when we stayed at the house
of a pr=
iest during the homam. He could observe and interact with my guru
very clo=
sely. Most importantly, when my guru had a vision of the Mother on
2006 Ma=
rch 3 afternoon, in which She told him to start the work on spreading
homa=
m in the world, this gentleman was present there. Though he could not
see =
the Mother, he actually smelled something out of the world and was
baffled=
. He knew something was going on, but did not know what. The temple
was cl=
osed at the time and my guru and this gentlemen were the only people
on th=
e premises when the Mother appeared. Even though he could not see the
Moth=
er, it was most fortunate of him to be present there at *that* crucial
mom=
ent. That is enough to mould the rest of his life.
You never know how, whe=

n and where the grace of god falls on you.
Calculations and logic are usel=
ess when it comes to the grace of god. Just
surrender and keep doing whate=
ver sadhana you picked. If it needs
fine-tuning, somebody will appear to t=
ell you that. Any bad things that
happen when doing a spiritual sadhana sh=
ould be viewed as nature settling
some debts so that you are prepared to r=
eceive the fruits of some really
auspicious karmas.
As Shirdi Sai Baba sa=

ys, you should have "sraddha and saburi". Have devotion
and patience. Ther=
e is no limit to what you can get then.
Best regards,
Narasimha
----------=
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ttp://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana
Spirituality: http://groups. yahoo.=
com/ group/vedic- wisdom
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e.comcast. net
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----- Origina=
l Message -----
> Namaste Sir
> what you said makes a lot sense and it was=
marvellous
>
> Leaving astrology aside and =
those who do not have a guru
> how can they chooose a particular form of GO=
D
> i=
s very important, as the analogy he gave of a person
> who is greedy and wo=
rships LAKSHMI , may increase his greed
>
> One thing more
> we have so man=
y deities that on diwali i would like to worship
> Lakshmi and Kali
> in na=
varatri (nowadays) we would worship Durga
> on janmashtami we would fast fo=
r KRISHNA
> like this
> with hte change in=
festival the deity changes
>
> though everybody knows GOD is ONE but it be=
comes difficult to get
> out of this
> mould and if i didnt worship her may=
be that GOD/GODDESS may become
> angry
>
> I Know,this is my foolishness b=
ut stiil this thing hangs in the mind
>
> One thing more
>
> Suppose if i c=
hoose a deity and something wrong happens
>
> what =
should i consider that my deity was helping me to clear my
> DEBTS/WRONG DE=
EDS
> fo=
r that DEITY
>
> o what am i doing does this reall=
y works
>
>
> what if we go on doing our pooja and som=
eday
> happens to us =
also
> and stuff=
like this
>
> but =
these are my doubts which are there in my mind
>
> i will not say much now =
bcoz in
>
> "th=
e shastras are endless and there is so much to be known
> turn the gaze. dr=
aw the indriyas.still the mind.then
> dive deep into the divine source and =
realise the infinite bliss"
>
> ************ ********* ********* ********* =
********* ********* ********* ***
> *
> i ll give one small personal exampl=
e here
>
> around 26 or 27 dec.2007 i started chanting 2 mantras (one kar m=
ala
> each)
> and on 9 january 2008 my parents met=
an accident
> though my father suffered small injuries my mother suffred f=
racture
>
> and she is still undergoing treatment and=
will have to
>
> and in Februar=
y and March i got placement in
> 2 companies (i m doing MCA in india) where=
most of my friends have
> not
> even got one and let me tell you i m not v=
ery intelligent
>
> so sometimes even now i consider whether my choosen dei=
ty is correct
> or not
>
> so everyday in the end of my pooja what i ask GO=
D is
> ************ ********* ********* **=
******* ********* ********* ********* ***
> **
>
> regards
> jitender
>
> -=
-- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
> <pvr@...> wr=
ote:
>>
>> Namaste,
>>
>> > Makes you wonder about the Divine connection be=
tween all these
>>
>> Earlier, I was exertin=
g discretion in sharing personal accounts,
> but She has
>> been making me =
drop guard of late, for whatever reason. I will
> continue in
>> the same v=
ein for a little more time.
>>
>> I had a dream a couple of years ago early=
in the morning. In the
> dream,
>> there was a big ritual fire. My guru Ma=
nish Pandit and I were
> sitting in
>> front of the fire. He was teaching m=
e some pranayama techniques in
> the
>> dream. Suddenly, he changed into so=
mebody else that I could not
> recognize.
>> It was not anybody I had seen =
before.
>>
>> I mentioned this dream to my guru after a couple of weeks. Fi=
rst
> he said he
>> did not know who the other person was and said he would=
've
> probably known if
>> I had mentioned the dream soon after it had happ=
ened. I left it
> there.
>> However, when we talked in the next weekend, he=
referred to my
> dream and
>> said he had an idea who it was. He gave me a=
name and asked me to
> search on
>> the internet for his photo and see if =
he was the person I saw in
> my dream.
>> It was a guru from the lineage of=
Paramahamsa Yogananda (before
> him). Though
>> he is apparently well-know=
n, I was not knowledegable about this
> lineage and
>> did not see his pict=
ure before. I searched on the internet and
> found a
>> photo. Interestingl=
y, the photo was very close to the person I saw
> in my
>> dream. The perso=
n that Manish transformed into in my dream looked
> like a
>> slightly youn=
ger version of that photo.
>>
>> When I confirmed this to Manish, he only s=
miled and
>> are so many links between various li=
neages. Leave it for now."
>>
>> Of course, I do not know much about kriya =
yoga or about the
> lineage of
>> Paramahamsa Yogananda. Our lineage of thi=
s life starts from
> Dattatreya. We
>> have a special attachment to Ramakri=
shna Paramahamsa and his
> lineage and got
>> a lot of our knowledge, inspi=
ration and perhaps experience from
> them. We do
>> not have any direct lin=
k to the lineage of Paramahamsa Yogananda.
> But,
>> Manish thought there w=
ere some other indirect links. Moreover, he
> guessed
>> who I saw, even th=
ough I myself had no idea who I saw, and he
> guessed
>> correctly. That sh=
ould count for something!
>>
>> I will not be surprised if there are indeed=
subtle connections
> between
>> several lineages that seem disjoint today.=
>>
> =
Sri
>=
and
>>
>> * * *
>=
>
> me =
within a
> Yog=
ananda were
>> co-disciples of the same guru (Yukteshwar Maharaj). He is th=
e
> keeper of
>> some astrological knowledge that his guru received from Yu=
kteshwar
> Maharaj.
>> He visited me after a month, discussed that knowledg=
e and spent a
> day at my
>> house. Thus, some small connection was made wi=
th a representative
> of that
>> lineage soon after the dream. After all, s=
ome karmik debts may
> have been
>> there...
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> I want to ma=
ke one thing clear.
>>
>> Some things I mention like this may give the impr=
ession that my
> guru has
>> some psychic abilities or siddhis. That may in=
deed be true. But he
> always
>> downplays those things and attaches no imp=
ortance whatsoever. He
> says,
>> "Narasimha, I am a useless person and low=
er than dirt and capable
> of
>> nothing. It is all Her power. She is the c=
onnection between every
> entity in
>> this universe. She may choose an idi=
ot like me as an instrument
> sometimes
>> and do something using me. I hav=
e no special abilities of any
> kind. Any
>> coincidences you find are just=
Her grace and not due to me."
>>
>> I realized in time that this simplicit=
y, humility and lack of ego
> is not
>> fake. I also realized that this lac=
k of ego is what enabled him to
> do things
>> that sound impossible or dif=
ficult. In fact, I realized that many
> great
>> saints in the past were li=
ke this. Several magical things happened
> through
> humility
>> and sense of surr=
ender to their chosen form of god and believed
> that god
>> was the doer o=
f all things and they were mere instruments.
>>
>> The day you also start b=
elieving that, not for the sake of
> lecturing or
>> posturing, but from th=
e deep cores of your heart, your sadhana
> will bear
>> fruit.
>>
>> Best r=
egards,
>> Narasimha
>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------=
- --------- -
>> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org=
/ homam
>> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tar=
pana
>> Spirituality: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom
>> Free=
Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net
>> Free Jyotis=
h software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org
>> Sri Jagannath Cent=
re (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org
>> ------------ --------- --=
------- --------- --------- --------- -
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----=

>> To: <vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups=
. com>
>> Subject: [vedic-wisdo=
m] Yogananda (Re: Dharma)
>>
>>
>> --- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "=
Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Lakshmi,
>> >
>> > Th=
e Yogananda I mentioned is different. Swami Yogananda is one of
>> the sixt=
een monastic disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, along
> with
>> Swami Vi=
vekananda. He was forced to marry, but never slept with his
>> own wife. Sw=
ami Vivekananda once said "if any of us (disciples of
>> Ramakrishna) conqu=
ered lust completely and in all respects, it is
>> Joginder (Swami Yoganand=
a)". There is no question of Swami
> Yogananda
>> being accused of drinking=
and having women etc.
>> >
>> > Paramahamsa Yogananda is a sishya of Yukte=
shwar Maharaj and from
> the
>> lineage of Mahavatar Babaji. They practice =
kriya yoga. I do not
> know
>> much about him.
>>
>>
>>
>> For what it is w=
orth, you can read more about Paramahamsa
> Yogananda in
>> his free+online=
autobiography,
>> here http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/ Autobiography_ of_a=
_Yogi
>>
>> There were interesting links between Ramakrishna Paramahamsa an=
d
>> For example, one of the top disciples of Ra=
makrishna Paramahamsa
> was
>> Mahendranath Gupta (not sure if he was one o=
f the 16 monastic
>> disciples that Narasimhaji refers to) aka Master Mahas=
aya, who
> wrote
>> (http://en.wikipedia .or=
g/wiki/ Mahendranath_ Gupta), and was the
>> sanskrit tutor to Paramahamsa =
Yogananda as well; the latter
> devoted an
=
>> book :
> http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/ Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi/ Chapt=
er_9
>>
>> Elsewhere in his autobiography Paramhamsa Yogananda also mention=
s
> an
>=
young
>> man was told by Swami Vivekandana that the Guru in his life would=

>> http://en.wikisourc e.o=
rg/wiki/ Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi/ Chapter_47
>>
>> Makes you wonder about =
the Divine connection between all these
>>
>> =
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<DIV>3 When Jupiter is transitting 5th house or aspecting it. </DIV>
=
<DIV>For Dixa one should have a connection between Saturn and Moon in the b=
irth chart or in Navamsha chart or otherwise Saturn must be in the Ascendan=
t. This rule is compulsory otherwise he will take dixa under someone's=
influence but leave the Mantra or follow up dedication.</DIV>
<DIV>If one'=
s Sun or Jupiter is in trine or sextile aspect with Neptune in the birth ch=
art he will enjoy the grace and bliss of God 100% in this present life.<BR>=
<BR><FONT face=3D"comic sans ms" color=3D#212143><STRONG>Dr.Ashwin Rawal</S=
TRONG></FONT><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 2/10/08, rajarshi nandy <I><rajarshi=
14@...></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
FT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: raj=
arshi nandy <rajarshi14@...><BR>Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] R=
ight deity and sadhana (Re: Yogananda)<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<=
BR>Date: Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 10:24 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>If you do not mind, can you tell us the year/month when you g=
ot diksha from your sadguru, I am trying understand through jyotish when so=
meone gets his sadguru, and what combinations are needed.</DIV>
<DIV> =
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<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRO=
NG>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: n=
avy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This above all: to thine own self be true!" - H=
amlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 2/10/=
08, Ashwin Rawal <I><ashwinrawal@ yahoo.co. in></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<B=
LOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Ashwin Rawa=
l <ashwinrawal@ yahoo.co. in><BR>Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Right de=
ity and sadhana (Re: Yogananda)<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com<BR>Da=
te: Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 5:14 PM<BR><BR>
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<TD vAlign=3Dtop>Dear Narsimhaji, You mentioned the appearance=
am excited to know this trutth about homa.<BR><BR><FONT face=3D"comic sans=
ms" color=3D#212143><STRONG>Dr.Ashwin Rawal</STRONG></FONT><BR><BR>--- On =
<B>Thu, 2/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@charter. net></I></B> w=
rote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:=
Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] R=
ight deity and sadhana (Re: Yogananda)<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. co=
m<BR>Cc: sivacharya@yahoogro ups.com<BR>Date: Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 4:=
21 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV>Namaste,<BR>=
<BR>Choosing the right deity for sadhana is important. If you do not know t=
he <BR>right deity, just doing some sadhana is definitely better than waiti=
ng. Pick <BR>whatever deity seems natural to you and do sadhana.<BR><BR>Ple=
ase remember that sadhana for spiritual progress is different from <BR>sadh=
ana for specific material benefits. No matter which deity you worship, <BR>=
sadhana performed for spiritual progress never goes waste. However, <BR>som=
etimes it may be necessary to experience the results of some bad karmas <BR=
>before some good things happen. Imagine all your karmas lying in a pile in=
a <BR>basket. Suppose some of the really good karmas that will enable you =
to do <BR>serious sadhana and experience great things lie at the bottom or =
middle of <BR>the pile. When you start sadhana, suppose god decides to give=
you the fruits <BR>of those auspicious karmas. Imagine him reaching into t=
he pile and <BR>retrieving those karmas. In the
process, some other karmas=
may spill over <BR>and give their fruits. Some of those may be undesirable=
. So what? They had <BR>to be experienced sometime or the other, anyway!<BR=
><BR>A serious sadhaka should never be disheartened by a few seemingly <BR>=
undesirable results after starting a spiritual sadhana. Just keep going.<BR=
><BR>One gentleman I know received mantra for Kaali from a very good <BR>pr=
iest-cum-yogi in late 2005. After he did the mantra for a few days, he was =
<BR>laid off and lost his job. He was not perturbed. He continued his sadha=
na <BR>and used the break to go on an extended trip to India and make a pil=
grimage <BR>to some nice places. He participated in the Shata Chandi homam =
we conducted <BR>at the Kaalikambal temple in Chennai in March 2006. He met=
my guru and got <BR>the opportunity to be his room mate for a week when we=
stayed at the house <BR>of a priest during the homam. He could observe and=
interact with my guru <BR>very closely.
Most importantly, when my guru ha=
d a vision of the Mother on <BR>2006 March 3 afternoon, in which She told h=
im to start the work on spreading <BR>homam in the world, this gentleman wa=
s present there. Though he could not <BR>see the Mother, he actually smelle=
d something out of the world and was <BR>baffled. He knew something was goi=
ng on, but did not know what. The temple <BR>was closed at the time and my =
guru and this gentlemen were the only people <BR>on the premises when the M=
other appeared. Even though he could not see the <BR>Mother, it was most fo=
rtunate of him to be present there at *that* crucial <BR>moment. That is en=
ough to mould the rest of his life.<BR><BR>You never know how, when and whe=
re the grace of god falls on you. <BR>Calculations and logic are useless wh=
en it comes to the grace of god. Just <BR>surrender and keep doing whatever=
sadhana you picked. If it needs <BR>fine-tuning, somebody will appear to t=
<BR>happen when doing a spiritual sadhan=
a should be viewed as nature settling <BR>some debts so that you are prepar=
ed to receive the fruits of some really <BR>auspicious karmas.<BR><BR>As Sh=
irdi Sai Baba says, you should have "sraddha and saburi". Have devotion <BR=
>and patience. There is no limit to what you can get then.<BR><BR>Best rega=
rds,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -=
-------- -<BR>Do a Short Homam Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrolo=
ger.org/homam" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.o=
rg/ homam</A><BR>Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicast=
rologer.org/tarpana" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rol=
oger.org/ tarpana</A><BR>Spirituality: <A href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/g=
roup/vedic-wisdom" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://groups. yahoo.com/=
group/vedic- wisdom</A><BR>Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <A href=3D"http://v=
edicastro.home.comcast.net/" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://vedicas=
tro. home.comcast. net</A><BR>Free Jyotish software (Windows): <A href=3D"h=
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ttp://www.srijagannath.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.SriJ=
agan nath.org</A><BR>------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -=
-------- - <BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>> Namaste Sir<BR>>=
; what you said makes a lot sense and it was marvellous<BR>> but i have =
some small doubts<BR>><BR>> Leaving astrology aside and those who do =
not have a guru<BR>> how can they chooose a particular form of GOD<BR>&g=
t; bcoz in second part of AGHORA, Vimalanda, said choosing right deity<BR>&=
gt; is very important, as the analogy he gave of a person<BR>> who is gr=
eedy and worships LAKSHMI , may increase his greed<BR>><BR>> One thin=
g more<BR>> we have so many deities that on
diwali i would like to wors=
hip<BR>> Lakshmi and Kali<BR>> in navaratri (nowadays) we would worsh=
ip Durga<BR>> on janmashtami we would fast for KRISHNA<BR>> an on MAH=
ASHIVARATRI for SHIVA<BR>> like this<BR>> with hte change in festival=
the deity changes<BR>><BR>> though everybody knows GOD is ONE but it=
becomes difficult to get<BR>> out of this<BR>> mould and if i didnt =
worship her may be that GOD/GODDESS may become<BR>> angry<BR>><BR>>=
; I Know,this is my foolishness but stiil this thing hangs in the mind<BR>&=
gt;<BR>> One thing more<BR>><BR>> Suppose if i choose a deity and =
something wrong happens<BR>> (materiallistically )<BR>><BR>> what =
should i consider that my deity was helping me to clear my<BR>> DEBTS/WR=
ONG DEEDS<BR>> or the NATURE was telling me to change the DEITY as I am =
not fit<BR>> for that DEITY<BR>><BR>> and sometimes you feel<BR>&g=
t; o what am i doing does this really
works<BR>><BR>> and one thing =
more<BR>><BR>> what if we go on doing our pooja and someday<BR>> s=
omething like what happened to Pt. GOPI KRISHNA JI<BR>> happens to us al=
so<BR>> though he says in his book that he read a lot about yoga<BR>>=
and stuff like this<BR>><BR>> At any stage i do not want you people =
to get offended<BR>> but these are my doubts which are there in my mind<=
BR>><BR>> i will not say much now bcoz in<BR>> Swami Sivananda's K=
UNDALINI YOGA on the last page he says<BR>><BR>> "the shastras are en=
dless and there is so much to be known<BR>> turn the gaze. draw the indr=
iyas.still the mind.then<BR>> dive deep into the divine source and reali=
se the infinite bliss"<BR>><BR>> ************ ********* ********* ***=
****** ********* ********* ********* ***<BR>> *<BR>> i ll give one sm=
all personal example here<BR>><BR>> around 26 or 27 dec.2007 i starte=
d chanting 2 mantras (one kar
mala<BR>> each)<BR>> in morning and ev=
ening<BR>> and on 9 january 2008 my parents met an accident<BR>> thou=
gh my father suffered small injuries my mother suffred fracture<BR>> in =
shoulder and Leg<BR>><BR>> and she is still undergoing treatment and =
will have to<BR>> undergo one more operation in this month<BR>><BR>&g=
t; and in February and March i got placement in<BR>> 2 companies (i m do=
ing MCA in india) where most of my friends have<BR>> not<BR>> even go=
t one and let me tell you i m not very intelligent<BR>><BR>> so somet=
imes even now i consider whether my choosen deity is correct<BR>> or not=
<BR>><BR>> so everyday in the end of my pooja what i ask GOD is<BR>&g=
t; to help me find the right path<BR>> ************ ********* ********* =
********* ********* ********* ********* ***<BR>> **<BR>><BR>> rega=
rds<BR>> jitender<BR>><BR>> --- In <A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%=
40yahoogroups.com"
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroup=
s. com</A>, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"<BR>> <pvr@...> wrote:<BR>>&g=
t;<BR>>> Namaste,<BR>>><BR>>> > Makes you wonder about=
the Divine connection between all these<BR>>> > supremely elevate=
d souls!<BR>>><BR>>> Earlier, I was exerting discretion in shar=
ing personal accounts,<BR>> but She has<BR>>> been making me drop =
guard of late, for whatever reason. I will<BR>> continue in<BR>>> =
the same vein for a little more time.<BR>>><BR>>> I had a dream=
a couple of years ago early in the morning. In the<BR>> dream,<BR>>&=
gt; there was a big ritual fire. My guru Manish Pandit and I were<BR>> s=
itting in<BR>>> front of the fire. He was teaching me some pranayama =
techniques in<BR>> the<BR>>> dream. Suddenly, he changed into some=
body else that I could not<BR>> recognize.<BR>>> It was not anybod=
y I had seen
before.<BR>>><BR>>> I mentioned this dream to my =
guru after a couple of weeks. First<BR>> he said he<BR>>> did not =
know who the other person was and said he would've<BR>> probably known i=
f<BR>>> I had mentioned the dream soon after it had happened. I left =
it<BR>> there.<BR>>> However, when we talked in the next weekend, =
he referred to my<BR>> dream and<BR>>> said he had an idea who it =
was. He gave me a name and asked me to<BR>> search on<BR>>> the in=
ternet for his photo and see if he was the person I saw in<BR>> my dream=
.<BR>>> It was a guru from the lineage of Paramahamsa Yogananda (befo=
re<BR>> him). Though<BR>>> he is apparently well-known, I was not =
knowledegable about this<BR>> lineage and<BR>>> did not see his pi=
cture before. I searched on the internet and<BR>> found a<BR>>> ph=
oto. Interestingly, the photo was very close to the person I saw<BR>> in=
my<BR>>> dream. The person that Manish transformed into in my dream=

looked<BR>> like a<BR>>> slightly younger version of that photo.<=
BR>>><BR>>> When I confirmed this to Manish, he only smiled and=
<BR>> said, "Narasimha, there<BR>>> are so many links between vari=
ous lineages. Leave it for now."<BR>>><BR>>> Of course, I do no=
t know much about kriya yoga or about the<BR>> lineage of<BR>>> Pa=
ramahamsa Yogananda. Our lineage of this life starts from<BR>> Dattatrey=
a. We<BR>>> have a special attachment to Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and =
his<BR>> lineage and got<BR>>> a lot of our knowledge, inspiration=
and perhaps experience from<BR>> them. We do<BR>>> not have any d=
irect link to the lineage of Paramahamsa Yogananda.<BR>> But,<BR>>>=
; Manish thought there were some other indirect links. Moreover, he<BR>>=
guessed<BR>>> who I saw, even though I myself had no idea who
I saw=
, and he<BR>> guessed<BR>>> correctly. That should count for somet=
hing!<BR>>><BR>>> I will not be surprised if there are indeed s=
ubtle connections<BR>> between<BR>>> several lineages that seem di=
sjoint today.<BR>>><BR>>> By the way, Swami Vivekananda also ap=
peared in the prison cell of<BR>> Sri<BR>>> Aurobindo (who wrote b=
rilliant commentaries on Veda and Upanishad)<BR>> and<BR>>> impart=
ed him some Adwaita knowledge to Sri Aurobindo.<BR>>><BR>>> * *=
*<BR>>><BR>>> An interesting coincidence is that a swamiji fro=
m Puri contacted<BR>> me within a<BR>>> few days after I saw that =
photo. His guru and Paramahamsa<BR>> Yogananda were<BR>>> co-disci=
ples of the same guru (Yukteshwar Maharaj). He is the<BR>> keeper of<BR>=
>> some astrological knowledge that his guru received from Yukteshwar=
<BR>> Maharaj.<BR>>> He visited me after a month,
discussed that =
knowledge and spent a<BR>> day at my<BR>>> house. Thus, some small=
connection was made with a representative<BR>> of that<BR>>> line=
age soon after the dream. After all, some karmik debts may<BR>> have bee=
n<BR>>> there...<BR>>><BR>>> * * *<BR>>><BR>>>=
; I want to make one thing clear.<BR>>><BR>>> Some things I men=
tion like this may give the impression that my<BR>> guru has<BR>>>=
some psychic abilities or siddhis. That may indeed be true. But he<BR>>=
always<BR>>> downplays those things and attaches no importance whats=
oever. He<BR>> says,<BR>>> "Narasimha, I am a useless person and l=
ower than dirt and capable<BR>> of<BR>>> nothing. It is all Her po=
wer. She is the connection between every<BR>> entity in<BR>>> this=
universe. She may choose an idiot like me as an instrument<BR>> sometim=
es<BR>>> and do something using me. I have no
special abilities of a=
ny<BR>> kind. Any<BR>>> coincidences you find are just Her grace a=
nd not due to me."<BR>>><BR>>> I realized in time that this sim=
plicity, humility and lack of ego<BR>> is not<BR>>> fake. I also r=
ealized that this lack of ego is what enabled him to<BR>> do things<BR>&=
gt;> that sound impossible or difficult. In fact, I realized that many<B=
R>> great<BR>>> saints in the past were like this. Several magical=
things happened<BR>> through<BR>>> them, but they did not find an=
y pride in them and retained their<BR>> humility<BR>>> and sense o=
f surrender to their chosen form of god and believed<BR>> that god<BR>&g=
t;> was the doer of all things and they were mere instruments.<BR>>&g=
t;<BR>>> The day you also start believing that, not for the sake of<B=
R>> lecturing or<BR>>> posturing, but from the deep cores of your =
heart, your sadhana<BR>> will
bear<BR>>> fruit.<BR>>><BR>&g=
t;> Best regards,<BR>>> Narasimha<BR>>> ------------ -------=
-- --------- --------- --------- --------- -<BR>>> Do a Short Homam Y=
el=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam</A><BR>>> Do Pit=
ri Tarpanas Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/tarpana" ta=
rget=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana</A><B=
R>>> Spirituality: <A href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wis=
dom" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- =
wisdom</A><BR>>> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <A href=3D"http://vedica=
stro.home.comcast.net/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://vedicastro. h=
ome.comcast. net</A><BR>>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): <A href=
www.VedicAst rologer.org</A><BR>>> Sri Jagannath
Centre (SJC) websit=
e: <A href=3D"http://www.srijagannath.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>=
http://www.SriJagan nath.org</A><BR>>> ------------ --------- -------=
-- --------- --------- --------- - <BR>>><BR>>> ----- Original =
Message ----- <BR>>> From: "Dinesh Nambisan" <dinesh@...><BR>&g=
t;> To: <<A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_=
blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>><BR>>> Sen=
t: Monday, September 29, 2008 5:54 PM<BR>>> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Y=
ogananda (Re: Dharma)<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> --- In <A href=3D=
"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedi=
c-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@><BR>>=
> wrote:<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Dear Lakshmi,<BR>>> >=
;<BR>>> > The Yogananda I mentioned is different. Swami Yogananda =
is one of<BR>>> the sixteen monastic disciples of
Ramakrishna Parama=
hamsa, along<BR>> with<BR>>> Swami Vivekananda. He was forced to m=
arry, but never slept with his<BR>>> own wife. Swami Vivekananda once=
said "if any of us (disciples of<BR>>> Ramakrishna) conquered lust c=
ompletely and in all respects, it is<BR>>> Joginder (Swami Yogananda)=
". There is no question of Swami<BR>> Yogananda<BR>>> being accuse=
d of drinking and having women etc.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Param=
ahamsa Yogananda is a sishya of Yukteshwar Maharaj and from<BR>> the<BR>=
>> lineage of Mahavatar Babaji. They practice kriya yoga. I do not<BR=
>> know<BR>>> much about him.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><=
BR>>> For what it is worth, you can read more about Paramahamsa<BR>&g=
t; Yogananda in<BR>>> his free+online autobiography,<BR>>> here=
<A href=3D"http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi" target=
=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/
Autobiography_ of=
_a_Yogi</A><BR>>><BR>>> There were interesting links between Ra=
makrishna Paramahamsa and<BR>>> Paramahamsa Yogananda:-<BR>>> F=
or example, one of the top disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa<BR>> was=
<BR>>> Mahendranath Gupta (not sure if he was one of the 16 monastic<=
BR>>> disciples that Narasimhaji refers to) aka Master Mahasaya, who<=
BR>> wrote<BR>>> "The Gospel of Ramakrishna"<BR>>> (<A href=
=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahendranath_Gupta" target=3D_blank rel=3D=
nofollow>http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Mahendranath_ Gupta</A>), and was t=
he<BR>>> sanskrit tutor to Paramahamsa Yogananda as well; the latter<=
BR>> devoted an<BR>>> entire chapter to him in his<BR>>> boo=
k :<BR>> <A href=3D"http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yog=
i/Chapter_9" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/=
Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi/
Chapter_9</A><BR>>><BR>>> Elsewhere=
in his autobiography Paramhamsa Yogananda also mentions<BR>> an<BR>>=
> anecdote of a disciple to whom he gifted a silver cup, who as a<BR>>=
; young<BR>>> man was told by Swami Vivekandana that the Guru in his =
life would<BR>>> present him with a silver cup in the future.<BR>>=
> <A href=3D"http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi/Chapt=
er_47" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/ Autob=
iography_ of_a_Yogi/ Chapter_47</A><BR>>><BR>>> Makes you wonde=
r about the Divine connection between all these<BR>>> supremely eleva=
ted souls!<BR>>><BR>>> Best.<BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQU=
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For Dixa one should have a connection between Saturn and Moon in the birth=
chart or in Navamsha chart or otherwise Saturn must be in the Ascendant. T=
his rule is compulsory otherwise he will take dixa=C2=A0under someone's inf=
luence but leave the Mantra or follow up dedication.
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Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Right d=
eity and sadhana (Re: Yogananda)
Date: Thu=
rsday, 2 October, 2008, 10:24 PM
Dear Narasimhaji'
=C2=A0
If you=
do not mind, can you tell us the year/month when you got diksha from your =
sadguru, I am trying understand through jyotish when someone gets his sadgu=
ru, and what combinations are needed.
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--- On Thu, 2/10/08, As=

hwin Rawal <ashwinrawal@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:
From: Ashwin Rawal <ashwinra=

wal@ yahoo.co. in>
Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Right deity and sadhana (Re:=
Yogananda)
008, 5:14 PM
Dear Narsimhaji, You mentioned the appearance of mothe=

r before you. Can you kindly clarify which mother? you mean Sharda devi (Th=
akurain Ma) or Goddess Durga ? Kindly answer this immediately as I am excit=
ed to know this trutth about homa.
Dr.Ashwin Rawal
--- On Thu, 2/10/08, N=

arasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net> wrote:
From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <=
pvr@charter. net>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Right deity and sadhana (Re: Yoga=
nanda)
D=
ate: Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 4:21 AM
Namaste,
Choosing the right de=

ity for sadhana is important. If you do not know the
right deity, just doi=
ng some sadhana is definitely better than waiting. Pick
whatever deity see=
Please remember that sadhana for spiritu=

al progress is different from
sadhana for specific material benefits. No m=
atter which deity you worship,
sadhana performed for spiritual progress ne=
ver goes waste. However,
sometimes it may be necessary to experience the r=
esults of some bad karmas
before some good things happen. Imagine all your=
karmas lying in a pile in a
basket. Suppose some of the really good karma=
s that will enable you to do
serious sadhana and experience great things l=
ie at the bottom or middle of
the pile. When you start sadhana, suppose go=
d decides to give you the fruits
of those auspicious karmas. Imagine him r=
eaching into the pile and
retrieving those karmas. In the process, some ot=
her karmas may spill over
and give their fruits. Some of those may be unde=
sirable. So what? They had
to be experienced sometime or the other, anyway=
!

undes=
irable results after starting a spiritual sadhana. Just keep going.
One ge=
ntleman I know received mantra for Kaali from a very good
priest-cum-yogi =
in late 2005. After he did the mantra for a few days, he was
laid off and =
lost his job. He was not perturbed. He continued his sadhana
and used the =
break to go on an extended trip to India and make a pilgrimage
to some nic=
e places. He participated in the Shata Chandi homam we conducted
at the Ka=
alikambal temple in Chennai in March 2006. He met my guru and got
the oppo=
rtunity to be his room mate for a week when we stayed at the house
of a pr=
iest during the homam. He could observe and interact with my guru
very clo=
sely. Most importantly, when my guru had a vision of the Mother on
2006 Ma=
rch 3 afternoon, in which She told him to start the work on spreading
homa=
m in the world, this gentleman was present there. Though he could not
see =
the Mother, he actually smelled something out of the world and was
baffled=
. He knew something was going on, but did not know what. The temple
was cl=
osed at the time and my guru and this gentlemen were the only people
on th=
e premises when the Mother appeared. Even though he could not see the
Moth=
er, it was most fortunate of him to be present there at *that* crucial
mom=
ent. That is enough to mould the rest of his life.
You never know how, whe=

n and where the grace of god falls on you.
Calculations and logic are usel=
ess when it comes to the grace of god. Just
surrender and keep doing whate=
ver sadhana you picked. If it needs
fine-tuning, somebody will appear to t=
happen when doing a spiritual sadhana sh=
ould be viewed as nature settling
some debts so that you are prepared to r=
eceive the fruits of some really
auspicious karmas.
As Shirdi Sai Baba sa=

ys, you should have "sraddha and saburi". Have devotion
and patience. Ther=
e is no limit to what you can get then.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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----- Origina=
l Message -----
> Namaste Sir
> what you said makes a lot sense and it was=
marvellous
>
> Leaving astrology aside and =
those who do not have a guru
> how can they chooose a particular form of GO=
D
> i=
s very important, as the analogy he gave of a person
> who is greedy and wo=
rships LAKSHMI , may increase his greed
>
> One thing more
> we have so man=
y deities that on diwali i would like to worship
> Lakshmi and Kali
> in na=
varatri (nowadays) we would worship Durga
> on janmashtami we would fast fo=
r KRISHNA
> like this
> with hte change in=
festival the deity changes
>
> though everybody knows GOD is ONE but it be=
comes difficult to get
> out of this
> mould and if i didnt worship her may=
be that GOD/GODDESS may become
> angry
>
> I Know,this is my foolishness b=
ut stiil this thing hangs in the mind
>
> One thing more
>
> Suppose if i c=
>
> what =
should i consider that my deity was helping me to clear my
> DEBTS/WRONG DE=
EDS
> fo=
r that DEITY
>
> o what am i doing does this reall=
y works
>
>
> what if we go on doing our pooja and som=
eday
> happens to us =
also
> and stuff=
like this
>
> but =
these are my doubts which are there in my mind
>
> i will not say much now =
bcoz in
>
> "th=
e shastras are endless and there is so much to be known
> turn the gaze. dr=
aw the indriyas.still the mind.then
> dive deep into the divine source and =
realise the infinite bliss"
>
> ************ ********* ********* ********* =
********* ********* ********* ***
> *
> i ll give one small personal exampl=
e here
>
> around 26 or 27 dec.2007 i started chanting 2 mantras (one kar m=
ala
> each)
> and on 9 january 2008 my parents met=
an accident
> though my father suffered small injuries my mother suffred f=
racture
>
> and she is still undergoing treatment and=
will have to
>
> and in Februar=
> 2 companies (i m doing MCA in india) where=
most of my friends have
> not
> even got one and let me tell you i m not v=
ery intelligent
>
> so sometimes even now i consider whether my choosen dei=
ty is correct
> or not
>
> so everyday in the end of my pooja what i ask GO=
D is
> ************ ********* ********* **=
******* ********* ********* ********* ***
> **
>
> regards
> jitender
>
> -=
-- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
> <pvr@...> wr=
ote:
>>
>> Namaste,
>>
>> > Makes you wonder about the Divine connection be=
tween all these
>>
>> Earlier, I was exertin=
g discretion in sharing personal accounts,
> but She has
>> been making me =
drop guard of late, for whatever reason. I will
> continue in
>> the same v=
ein for a little more time.
>>
>> I had a dream a couple of years ago early=
in the morning. In the
> dream,
>> there was a big ritual fire. My guru Ma=
nish Pandit and I were
> sitting in
>> front of the fire. He was teaching m=
e some pranayama techniques in
> the
>> dream. Suddenly, he changed into so=
mebody else that I could not
> recognize.
>> It was not anybody I had seen =
before.
>>
>> I mentioned this dream to my guru after a couple of weeks. Fi=
rst
> he said he
>> did not know who the other person was and said he would=
've
> probably known if
>> I had mentioned the dream soon after it had happ=
ened. I left it
> there.
>> However, when we talked in the next weekend, he=
referred to my
> dream and
>> said he had an idea who it was. He gave me a=
name and asked me to
> search on
>> the internet for his photo and see if =
he was the person I saw in
> my dream.
>> It was a guru from the lineage of=
Paramahamsa Yogananda (before
> him). Though
>> he is apparently well-know=
n, I was not knowledegable about this
> lineage and
>> did not see his pict=
ure before. I searched on the internet and
> found a
>> photo. Interestingl=
y, the photo was very close to the person I saw
> in my
>> dream. The perso=
n that Manish transformed into in my dream looked
> like a
>> slightly youn=
ger version of that photo.
>>
>> When I confirmed this to Manish, he only s=
miled and
>> are so many links between various li=
neages. Leave it for now."
>>
>> Of course, I do not know much about kriya =
yoga or about the
> lineage of
>> Paramahamsa Yogananda. Our lineage of thi=
s life starts from
> Dattatreya. We
>> have a special attachment to Ramakri=
shna Paramahamsa and his
> lineage and got
>> a lot of our knowledge, inspi=
ration and perhaps experience from
> them. We do
>> not have any direct lin=
k to the lineage of Paramahamsa Yogananda.
> But,
>> Manish thought there w=
ere some other indirect links. Moreover, he
> guessed
>> who I saw, even th=
ough I myself had no idea who I saw, and he
> guessed
>> correctly. That sh=
ould count for something!
>>
>> I will not be surprised if there are indeed=
subtle connections
> between
>> several lineages that seem disjoint today.=
>>
> =
Sri
>=
and
>>
>> * * *
>=
>
> me =
within a
> Yog=
ananda were
>> co-disciples of the same guru (Yukteshwar Maharaj). He is th=
e
> keeper of
>> some astrological knowledge that his guru received from Yu=
kteshwar
> Maharaj.
>> He visited me after a month, discussed that knowledg=
e and spent a
> day at my
>> house. Thus, some small connection was made wi=
th a representative
> of that
>> lineage soon after the dream. After all, s=
ome karmik debts may
> have been
>> there...
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> I want to ma=
ke one thing clear.
>>
>> Some things I mention like this may give the impr=
ession that my
> guru has
>> some psychic abilities or siddhis. That may in=
deed be true. But he
> always
>> downplays those things and attaches no imp=
ortance whatsoever. He
> says,
>> "Narasimha, I am a useless person and low=
er than dirt and capable
> of
>> nothing. It is all Her power. She is the c=
onnection between every
> entity in
>> this universe. She may choose an idi=
ot like me as an instrument
> sometimes
>> and do something using me. I hav=
e no special abilities of any
> kind. Any
>> coincidences you find are just=
Her grace and not due to me."
>>
>> I realized in time that this simplicit=
y, humility and lack of ego
> is not
>> fake. I also realized that this lac=
k of ego is what enabled him to
> do things
>> that sound impossible or dif=
ficult. In fact, I realized that many
> great
>> saints in the past were li=
ke this. Several magical things happened
> through
> humility
>> and sense of surr=
ender to their chosen form of god and believed
> that god
>> was the doer o=
f all things and they were mere instruments.
>>
>> The day you also start b=
elieving that, not for the sake of
> lecturing or
>> posturing, but from th=
e deep cores of your heart, your sadhana
> will bear
>> fruit.
>>
>> Best r=
egards,
>> Narasimha
>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------=
- --------- -
>> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org=
/ homam
>> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tar=
pana
>> Spirituality: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom
>> Free=
>> Free Jyotis=
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>> ------------ --------- --=
------- --------- --------- --------- -
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----=

>> To: <vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups=
. com>
>> Subject: [vedic-wisdo=
m] Yogananda (Re: Dharma)
>>
>>
>> --- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "=
Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Lakshmi,
>> >
>> > Th=
e Yogananda I mentioned is different. Swami Yogananda is one of
>> the sixt=
een monastic disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, along
> with
>> Swami Vi=
vekananda. He was forced to marry, but never slept with his
>> own wife. Sw=
ami Vivekananda once said "if any of us (disciples of
>> Ramakrishna) conqu=
ered lust completely and in all respects, it is
>> Joginder (Swami Yoganand=
a)". There is no question of Swami
> Yogananda
>> being accused of drinking=
and having women etc.
>> >
>> > Paramahamsa Yogananda is a sishya of Yukte=
shwar Maharaj and from
> the
>> lineage of Mahavatar Babaji. They practice =
kriya yoga. I do not
> know
>> much about him.
>>
>>
>>
>> For what it is w=
orth, you can read more about Paramahamsa
> Yogananda in
>> his free+online=
autobiography,
>> here http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/ Autobiography_ of_a=
_Yogi
>>
>> There were interesting links between Ramakrishna Paramahamsa an=
d
>> For example, one of the top disciples of Ra=
makrishna Paramahamsa
> was
>> Mahendranath Gupta (not sure if he was one o=
f the 16 monastic
>> disciples that Narasimhaji refers to) aka Master Mahas=
aya, who
> wrote
>> (http://en.wikipedia .or=
g/wiki/ Mahendranath_ Gupta), and was the
>> sanskrit tutor to Paramahamsa =
Yogananda as well; the latter
> devoted an
=
>> book :
> http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/ Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi/ Chapt=
er_9
>>
>> Elsewhere in his autobiography Paramhamsa Yogananda also mention=
s
> an
>=
young
>> man was told by Swami Vivekandana that the Guru in his life would=

>> http://en.wikisourc e.o=
rg/wiki/ Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi/ Chapter_47
>>
>> Makes you wonder about =
the Divine connection between all these
>>
>> =
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<DIV>3 When Jupiter is transitting 5th house or aspecting it. </DIV>
=
<DIV>For Dixa one should have a connection between Saturn and Moon in the b=
irth chart or in Navamsha chart or otherwise Saturn must be in the Ascendan=
t. This rule is compulsory otherwise he will take dixa under someone's=
influence but leave the Mantra or follow up dedication.</DIV>
<DIV>If one'=
s Sun or Jupiter is in trine or sextile aspect with Neptune in the birth ch=
art he will enjoy the grace and bliss of God 100% in this present life.<BR>=
<BR><FONT face=3D"comic sans ms" color=3D#212143><STRONG>Dr.Ashwin Rawal</S=
TRONG></FONT><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 2/10/08, rajarshi nandy <I><rajarshi=
14@...></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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arshi nandy <rajarshi14@...><BR>Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] R=
ight deity and sadhana (Re: Yogananda)<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<=
BR>Date: Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 10:24 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>If you do not mind, can you tell us the year/month when you g=
ot diksha from your sadguru, I am trying understand through jyotish when so=
meone gets his sadguru, and what combinations are needed.</DIV>
<DIV> =
</DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRO=
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amlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 2/10/=
08, Ashwin Rawal <I><ashwinrawal@ yahoo.co. in></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<B=
LOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Ashwin Rawa=
l <ashwinrawal@ yahoo.co. in><BR>Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Right de=
ity and sadhana (Re: Yogananda)<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com<BR>Da=
te: Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 5:14 PM<BR><BR>
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<TD vAlign=3Dtop>Dear Narsimhaji, You mentioned the appearance=
am excited to know this trutth about homa.<BR><BR><FONT face=3D"comic sans=
ms" color=3D#212143><STRONG>Dr.Ashwin Rawal</STRONG></FONT><BR><BR>--- On =
<B>Thu, 2/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@charter. net></I></B> w=
rote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:=
Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] R=
ight deity and sadhana (Re: Yogananda)<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. co=
m<BR>Cc: sivacharya@yahoogro ups.com<BR>Date: Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 4:=
21 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV>Namaste,<BR>=
<BR>Choosing the right deity for sadhana is important. If you do not know t=
he <BR>right deity, just doing some sadhana is definitely better than waiti=
ng. Pick <BR>whatever deity seems natural to you and do sadhana.<BR><BR>Ple=
ase remember that sadhana for spiritual progress is different from <BR>sadh=
ana for specific material benefits. No matter which deity you worship, <BR>=
sadhana performed for spiritual progress never goes waste. However, <BR>som=
etimes it may be necessary to experience the results of some bad karmas <BR=
>before some good things happen. Imagine all your karmas lying in a pile in=
a <BR>basket. Suppose some of the really good karmas that will enable you =
to do <BR>serious sadhana and experience great things lie at the bottom or =
middle of <BR>the pile. When you start sadhana, suppose god decides to give=
you the fruits <BR>of those auspicious karmas. Imagine him reaching into t=
he pile and <BR>retrieving those karmas. In the
process, some other karmas=
may spill over <BR>and give their fruits. Some of those may be undesirable=
. So what? They had <BR>to be experienced sometime or the other, anyway!<BR=
><BR>A serious sadhaka should never be disheartened by a few seemingly <BR>=
undesirable results after starting a spiritual sadhana. Just keep going.<BR=
><BR>One gentleman I know received mantra for Kaali from a very good <BR>pr=
iest-cum-yogi in late 2005. After he did the mantra for a few days, he was =
<BR>laid off and lost his job. He was not perturbed. He continued his sadha=
na <BR>and used the break to go on an extended trip to India and make a pil=
grimage <BR>to some nice places. He participated in the Shata Chandi homam =
we conducted <BR>at the Kaalikambal temple in Chennai in March 2006. He met=
my guru and got <BR>the opportunity to be his room mate for a week when we=
stayed at the house <BR>of a priest during the homam. He could observe and=
interact with my guru <BR>very closely.
Most importantly, when my guru ha=
d a vision of the Mother on <BR>2006 March 3 afternoon, in which She told h=
im to start the work on spreading <BR>homam in the world, this gentleman wa=
s present there. Though he could not <BR>see the Mother, he actually smelle=
d something out of the world and was <BR>baffled. He knew something was goi=
ng on, but did not know what. The temple <BR>was closed at the time and my =
guru and this gentlemen were the only people <BR>on the premises when the M=
other appeared. Even though he could not see the <BR>Mother, it was most fo=
rtunate of him to be present there at *that* crucial <BR>moment. That is en=
ough to mould the rest of his life.<BR><BR>You never know how, when and whe=
re the grace of god falls on you. <BR>Calculations and logic are useless wh=
en it comes to the grace of god. Just <BR>surrender and keep doing whatever=
sadhana you picked. If it needs <BR>fine-tuning, somebody will appear to t=
<BR>happen when doing a spiritual sadhan=
a should be viewed as nature settling <BR>some debts so that you are prepar=
ed to receive the fruits of some really <BR>auspicious karmas.<BR><BR>As Sh=
irdi Sai Baba says, you should have "sraddha and saburi". Have devotion <BR=
>and patience. There is no limit to what you can get then.<BR><BR>Best rega=
rds,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -=
-------- -<BR>Do a Short Homam Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrolo=
edicastro.home.comcast.net/" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://vedicas=
tro. home.comcast. net</A><BR>Free Jyotish software (Windows): <A href=3D"h=
ttp://www.vedicastrologer.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.V=
edicAst rologer.org</A><BR>Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <A href=3D"h=
ttp://www.srijagannath.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.SriJ=
agan nath.org</A><BR>------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -=
-------- - <BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>> Namaste Sir<BR>>=
; what you said makes a lot sense and it was marvellous<BR>> but i have =
some small doubts<BR>><BR>> Leaving astrology aside and those who do =
not have a guru<BR>> how can they chooose a particular form of GOD<BR>&g=
t; bcoz in second part of AGHORA, Vimalanda, said choosing right deity<BR>&=
gt; is very important, as the analogy he gave of a person<BR>> who is gr=
eedy and worships LAKSHMI , may increase his greed<BR>><BR>> One thin=
g more<BR>> we have so many deities that on
diwali i would like to wors=
hip<BR>> Lakshmi and Kali<BR>> in navaratri (nowadays) we would worsh=
ip Durga<BR>> on janmashtami we would fast for KRISHNA<BR>> an on MAH=
ASHIVARATRI for SHIVA<BR>> like this<BR>> with hte change in festival=
the deity changes<BR>><BR>> though everybody knows GOD is ONE but it=
becomes difficult to get<BR>> out of this<BR>> mould and if i didnt =
worship her may be that GOD/GODDESS may become<BR>> angry<BR>><BR>>=
; I Know,this is my foolishness but stiil this thing hangs in the mind<BR>&=
gt;<BR>> One thing more<BR>><BR>> Suppose if i choose a deity and =
something wrong happens<BR>> (materiallistically )<BR>><BR>> what =
should i consider that my deity was helping me to clear my<BR>> DEBTS/WR=
ONG DEEDS<BR>> or the NATURE was telling me to change the DEITY as I am =
not fit<BR>> for that DEITY<BR>><BR>> and sometimes you feel<BR>&g=
t; o what am i doing does this really
works<BR>><BR>> and one thing =
more<BR>><BR>> what if we go on doing our pooja and someday<BR>> s=
omething like what happened to Pt. GOPI KRISHNA JI<BR>> happens to us al=
so<BR>> though he says in his book that he read a lot about yoga<BR>>=
and stuff like this<BR>><BR>> At any stage i do not want you people =
to get offended<BR>> but these are my doubts which are there in my mind<=
BR>><BR>> i will not say much now bcoz in<BR>> Swami Sivananda's K=
UNDALINI YOGA on the last page he says<BR>><BR>> "the shastras are en=
dless and there is so much to be known<BR>> turn the gaze. draw the indr=
iyas.still the mind.then<BR>> dive deep into the divine source and reali=
se the infinite bliss"<BR>><BR>> ************ ********* ********* ***=
****** ********* ********* ********* ***<BR>> *<BR>> i ll give one sm=
all personal example here<BR>><BR>> around 26 or 27 dec.2007 i starte=
d chanting 2 mantras (one kar
mala<BR>> each)<BR>> in morning and ev=
ening<BR>> and on 9 january 2008 my parents met an accident<BR>> thou=
gh my father suffered small injuries my mother suffred fracture<BR>> in =
shoulder and Leg<BR>><BR>> and she is still undergoing treatment and =
will have to<BR>> undergo one more operation in this month<BR>><BR>&g=
t; and in February and March i got placement in<BR>> 2 companies (i m do=
ing MCA in india) where most of my friends have<BR>> not<BR>> even go=
t one and let me tell you i m not very intelligent<BR>><BR>> so somet=
imes even now i consider whether my choosen deity is correct<BR>> or not=
<BR>><BR>> so everyday in the end of my pooja what i ask GOD is<BR>&g=
t; to help me find the right path<BR>> ************ ********* ********* =
********* ********* ********* ********* ***<BR>> **<BR>><BR>> rega=
rds<BR>> jitender<BR>><BR>> --- In <A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%=
40yahoogroups.com"
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroup=
s. com</A>, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"<BR>> <pvr@...> wrote:<BR>>&g=
t;<BR>>> Namaste,<BR>>><BR>>> > Makes you wonder about=
the Divine connection between all these<BR>>> > supremely elevate=
d souls!<BR>>><BR>>> Earlier, I was exerting discretion in shar=
ing personal accounts,<BR>> but She has<BR>>> been making me drop =
guard of late, for whatever reason. I will<BR>> continue in<BR>>> =
the same vein for a little more time.<BR>>><BR>>> I had a dream=
a couple of years ago early in the morning. In the<BR>> dream,<BR>>&=
gt; there was a big ritual fire. My guru Manish Pandit and I were<BR>> s=
itting in<BR>>> front of the fire. He was teaching me some pranayama =
techniques in<BR>> the<BR>>> dream. Suddenly, he changed into some=
body else that I could not<BR>> recognize.<BR>>> It was not anybod=
y I had seen
before.<BR>>><BR>>> I mentioned this dream to my =
guru after a couple of weeks. First<BR>> he said he<BR>>> did not =
know who the other person was and said he would've<BR>> probably known i=
f<BR>>> I had mentioned the dream soon after it had happened. I left =
it<BR>> there.<BR>>> However, when we talked in the next weekend, =
he referred to my<BR>> dream and<BR>>> said he had an idea who it =
was. He gave me a name and asked me to<BR>> search on<BR>>> the in=
ternet for his photo and see if he was the person I saw in<BR>> my dream=
.<BR>>> It was a guru from the lineage of Paramahamsa Yogananda (befo=
re<BR>> him). Though<BR>>> he is apparently well-known, I was not =
knowledegable about this<BR>> lineage and<BR>>> did not see his pi=
cture before. I searched on the internet and<BR>> found a<BR>>> ph=
oto. Interestingly, the photo was very close to the person I saw<BR>> in=
my<BR>>> dream. The person that Manish transformed into in my dream=

looked<BR>> like a<BR>>> slightly younger version of that photo.<=
BR>>><BR>>> When I confirmed this to Manish, he only smiled and=
<BR>> said, "Narasimha, there<BR>>> are so many links between vari=
ous lineages. Leave it for now."<BR>>><BR>>> Of course, I do no=
t know much about kriya yoga or about the<BR>> lineage of<BR>>> Pa=
ramahamsa Yogananda. Our lineage of this life starts from<BR>> Dattatrey=
a. We<BR>>> have a special attachment to Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and =
his<BR>> lineage and got<BR>>> a lot of our knowledge, inspiration=
and perhaps experience from<BR>> them. We do<BR>>> not have any d=
irect link to the lineage of Paramahamsa Yogananda.<BR>> But,<BR>>>=
; Manish thought there were some other indirect links. Moreover, he<BR>>=
guessed<BR>>> who I saw, even though I myself had no idea who
I saw=
, and he<BR>> guessed<BR>>> correctly. That should count for somet=
hing!<BR>>><BR>>> I will not be surprised if there are indeed s=
ubtle connections<BR>> between<BR>>> several lineages that seem di=
sjoint today.<BR>>><BR>>> By the way, Swami Vivekananda also ap=
peared in the prison cell of<BR>> Sri<BR>>> Aurobindo (who wrote b=
rilliant commentaries on Veda and Upanishad)<BR>> and<BR>>> impart=
ed him some Adwaita knowledge to Sri Aurobindo.<BR>>><BR>>> * *=
*<BR>>><BR>>> An interesting coincidence is that a swamiji fro=
m Puri contacted<BR>> me within a<BR>>> few days after I saw that =
photo. His guru and Paramahamsa<BR>> Yogananda were<BR>>> co-disci=
ples of the same guru (Yukteshwar Maharaj). He is the<BR>> keeper of<BR>=
>> some astrological knowledge that his guru received from Yukteshwar=
<BR>> Maharaj.<BR>>> He visited me after a month,
discussed that =
knowledge and spent a<BR>> day at my<BR>>> house. Thus, some small=
connection was made with a representative<BR>> of that<BR>>> line=
age soon after the dream. After all, some karmik debts may<BR>> have bee=
n<BR>>> there...<BR>>><BR>>> * * *<BR>>><BR>>>=
; I want to make one thing clear.<BR>>><BR>>> Some things I men=
tion like this may give the impression that my<BR>> guru has<BR>>>=
some psychic abilities or siddhis. That may indeed be true. But he<BR>>=
always<BR>>> downplays those things and attaches no importance whats=
oever. He<BR>> says,<BR>>> "Narasimha, I am a useless person and l=
ower than dirt and capable<BR>> of<BR>>> nothing. It is all Her po=
wer. She is the connection between every<BR>> entity in<BR>>> this=
universe. She may choose an idiot like me as an instrument<BR>> sometim=
es<BR>>> and do something using me. I have no
special abilities of a=
ny<BR>> kind. Any<BR>>> coincidences you find are just Her grace a=
nd not due to me."<BR>>><BR>>> I realized in time that this sim=
plicity, humility and lack of ego<BR>> is not<BR>>> fake. I also r=
ealized that this lack of ego is what enabled him to<BR>> do things<BR>&=
gt;> that sound impossible or difficult. In fact, I realized that many<B=
R>> great<BR>>> saints in the past were like this. Several magical=
things happened<BR>> through<BR>>> them, but they did not find an=
y pride in them and retained their<BR>> humility<BR>>> and sense o=
f surrender to their chosen form of god and believed<BR>> that god<BR>&g=
t;> was the doer of all things and they were mere instruments.<BR>>&g=
t;<BR>>> The day you also start believing that, not for the sake of<B=
R>> lecturing or<BR>>> posturing, but from the deep cores of your =
heart, your sadhana<BR>> will
bear<BR>>> fruit.<BR>>><BR>&g=
t;> Best regards,<BR>>> Narasimha<BR>>> ------------ -------=
-- --------- --------- --------- --------- -<BR>>> Do a Short Homam Y=
el=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam</A><BR>>> Do Pit=
ri Tarpanas Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/tarpana" ta=
rget=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana</A><B=
R>>> Spirituality: <A href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wis=
dom" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- =
wisdom</A><BR>>> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <A href=3D"http://vedica=
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ome.comcast. net</A><BR>>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): <A href=
www.VedicAst rologer.org</A><BR>>> Sri Jagannath
Centre (SJC) websit=
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http://www.SriJagan nath.org</A><BR>>> ------------ --------- -------=
-- --------- --------- --------- - <BR>>><BR>>> ----- Original =
Message ----- <BR>>> From: "Dinesh Nambisan" <dinesh@...><BR>&g=
t;> To: <<A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_=
blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>><BR>>> Sen=
t: Monday, September 29, 2008 5:54 PM<BR>>> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Y=
ogananda (Re: Dharma)<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> --- In <A href=3D=
"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedi=
c-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@><BR>>=
> wrote:<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Dear Lakshmi,<BR>>> >=
;<BR>>> > The Yogananda I mentioned is different. Swami Yogananda =
is one of<BR>>> the sixteen monastic disciples of
Ramakrishna Parama=
hamsa, along<BR>> with<BR>>> Swami Vivekananda. He was forced to m=
arry, but never slept with his<BR>>> own wife. Swami Vivekananda once=
said "if any of us (disciples of<BR>>> Ramakrishna) conquered lust c=
ompletely and in all respects, it is<BR>>> Joginder (Swami Yogananda)=
". There is no question of Swami<BR>> Yogananda<BR>>> being accuse=
d of drinking and having women etc.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Param=
ahamsa Yogananda is a sishya of Yukteshwar Maharaj and from<BR>> the<BR>=
>> lineage of Mahavatar Babaji. They practice kriya yoga. I do not<BR=
>> know<BR>>> much about him.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><=
BR>>> For what it is worth, you can read more about Paramahamsa<BR>&g=
t; Yogananda in<BR>>> his free+online autobiography,<BR>>> here=
<A href=3D"http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi" target=
Autobiography_ of=
_a_Yogi</A><BR>>><BR>>> There were interesting links between Ra=
makrishna Paramahamsa and<BR>>> Paramahamsa Yogananda:-<BR>>> F=
or example, one of the top disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa<BR>> was=
<BR>>> Mahendranath Gupta (not sure if he was one of the 16 monastic<=
BR>>> disciples that Narasimhaji refers to) aka Master Mahasaya, who<=
BR>> wrote<BR>>> "The Gospel of Ramakrishna"<BR>>> (<A href=
=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahendranath_Gupta" target=3D_blank rel=3D=
nofollow>http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Mahendranath_ Gupta</A>), and was t=
he<BR>>> sanskrit tutor to Paramahamsa Yogananda as well; the latter<=
BR>> devoted an<BR>>> entire chapter to him in his<BR>>> boo=
k :<BR>> <A href=3D"http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yog=
i/Chapter_9" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/=
Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi/
Chapter_9</A><BR>>><BR>>> Elsewhere=
in his autobiography Paramhamsa Yogananda also mentions<BR>> an<BR>>=
> anecdote of a disciple to whom he gifted a silver cup, who as a<BR>>=
; young<BR>>> man was told by Swami Vivekandana that the Guru in his =
life would<BR>>> present him with a silver cup in the future.<BR>>=
> <A href=3D"http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi/Chapt=
er_47" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/ Autob=
iography_ of_a_Yogi/ Chapter_47</A><BR>>><BR>>> Makes you wonde=
r about the Divine connection between all these<BR>>> supremely eleva=
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Dear Members please find herewith my 3rd Astro Capsule.

If Moon is in t=
he 6th house with Mercury alone or Moon is in Gemini
or Virgo in 6th, the =
person born will be the patient of Obsessive
Compulsive Disorders. These p=
atients are under chronic anxiety and are
compelled to wash their hands , =
touch certain things, count the same
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just by force from within and
they think that If they will not do this, c=
ertain horrible will happen
to them. After obeying this order from mind t=
hey will be relaxed and
will be seen normal. THey are suffering from unkno=
wn fear.
Dr. Ashwin Rawal
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> Dear Members please find herewith my 3rd Astro Capsule.

> If Moon is in the 6th house with Mercury alone or Moon is in Gemini
> or Virgo in 6th, the person born will be the patient of Obsessive
> Compulsive Disorders. These patients are under chronic anxiety and are
> compelled to wash their hands , touch certain things, count the same
> things repeatedly, do certain actions just by force from within and
> they think that If they will not do this, certain horrible will happen
> to them. After obeying this order from mind they will be relaxed and
> will be seen normal. THey are suffering from unknown fear.
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Dear Narasimhaji
Can you tell us the significance of the Chandi Path, and =

what if
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The Chandi that is available from Gita Press and th=
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unjika Strotra. Which one is correct?
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T astrology
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Subject: [vedic-wisdom] AR's Astro Capsule 3
> Dear Members please find=

herewith my 3rd Astro Capsule.
> If Moon is in the 6th house with Mercury =
alone or Moon is in Gemini
> or Virgo in 6th, the person born will be the p=
atient of Obsessive
> Compulsive Disorders. These patients are under chroni=
c anxiety and are
> compelled to wash their hands , touch certain things, c=
ount the same
> things repeatedly, do certain actions just by force from wi=
thin and
> they think that If they will not do this, certain horrible will =
happen
> to them. After obeying this order from mind they will be relaxed a=
nd
> will be seen normal. THey are suffering from unknown fear.
> Dr. Ashwi=
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<DIV>The Chandi that is available from Gita Press and the one that is sold=
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ich one is correct?</DIV>
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<DIV><EM><STRONG>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><SP=
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all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></=
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arter.net></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MA=
RGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Narasimha P.V.=
R. Rao <pvr@...><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] This list is for =
spirituality and NOT astrology<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date:=
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<DIV>Namaste friends,<BR><BR>Just a friendly reminder..<BR><B=
R>This list is for discussing spirituality and NOT for astrology. For <BR>a=
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inrawal" <<A href=3D"mailto:ashwinrawal%40yahoo.co.in" target=3D_blank r=
el=3Dnofollow>ashwinrawal@ yahoo.co. in</A>><BR>To: <<A href=3D"mailt=
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>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] AR's Astro Capsule 3<BR><BR>> Dear Members plea=
se find herewith my 3rd Astro Capsule.<BR>> If Moon is in the 6th house =
with Mercury alone or Moon is in Gemini<BR>> or Virgo in 6th, the person=
born will be the patient of Obsessive<BR>> Compulsive Disorders. These =
patients are under
chronic anxiety and are<BR>> compelled to wash their=
hands , touch certain things, count the same<BR>> things repeatedly, do=
certain actions just by force from within and<BR>> they think that If t=
hey will not do this, certain horrible will happen<BR>> to them. After o=
beying this order from mind they will be relaxed and<BR>> will be seen n=
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Namaste to all
Though nowadys we are having Navaratris

when mother goddess=
is worshipped
is there something which others can also do

who are worship=
ping other form of God in these
auspiciou days like for Ganesh or Gayatri =
mata
and one thing i want ask
in AGHORA part 2 Vimalanda says

we have to =
give due importance to image of the
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can somebody please refer me a book for this
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the mantra for ganesh
gananaam tva .......seedsaadnam

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Subject: Paramhans Yogananda's Lineage
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Namaste
Recently I saw some postings and thought I would share some

infor=
mation about Paramhans Yogananda's lineage.
Many already know that Swamiji=

's ( Paramahans Yogaanda) was a direct
disciple of Shri Yukteshwar Maharaj=
a disciple of Shri Lahiri
Mahashaya.
As per his book Lahiri Mahashaya wa=

s a disciple of Babaji.
Babaji lived in India in physical body till 1973. H=
e took
Maha samadhi in Bombay and his Samadhi is located in Phuskar
Rajast=
han.
Babaji is also know as Ranchod Dasji Maharaj, Paramhans of Chirtakut =
and some more names too. He was a Maharatrian Deshasth brahmin by

birth a=
nd was born in Gwailor district in MP.
Ranchod Dasji Maharaj name was give=

n to him by his disciples in
Gujarat.
He may have lived for 700 plus year=

s.
He ran away from home at a very tender age and was taken up a
disciple=
by Bala Krishna Dasji also known as Paihari Baba.
Paihari baba was also ve=
ry releaized, he only drank milk and so the
name. Paihari Baba was Gujarat=
i by birth but spoke in Hindi.
Paihari Baba lived in Kulu for a long time,=

than in Pushkar, he was
in Pushkar when the temple of Srinathji was moved=
from Mathura to
Rajasthan. At that time he did a lot of seva of lord Kris=
hna in
Pushkar.
After that he lived in Galtaji near jaipur in Rajasthan. =
Babaji also lived in Galtaji for about 12 years and he had the vision
of =
Lord Rama in the same cave, that exists today too.
It is located a few mil=

es from Jaipur, there are a few temples there
near the cave. I have visite=
d this cave too.
>From Galtaji Paihari Baba moved to Revasa and than to Kas=

hmir where
he lived in a place called "Rasayani Gufa".
Paihari Baba also =

may have lived for 500 plus years too.
While at Galtaji, the Famous Tulsid=

as maharaj had visited Paihari
Baba and give a hand written manuscipt of R=
amayana.
They belong to the Ramanandi Sampradaya who has Lord Ram and Godd=
ess
Sita devi as ishta devata. Ramanandi Sampardaya came as an offshot of =
Ramanuja Sampradaya.
Babaji or Ranchod Dasji Maharaj lived for many years=

in Bengal,
Chitrakot and Also visited Gujarat. He also stayed in Kashmir.=
One of the kings of Kashmir was a devout disciple of Paihari Baba.
Both B=
abaji and Paihari Baba were adept in "kaya kalpa" and they also
had strong=
connection with saints located in Tibet.
Paihari Baba used to remain in s=

amadhi at a stretch for 2 to 3 years.
Paihari Baba as a young brahamchari s=
erved also Swami Ramananda in
Kashi.
Ranchoddasji Maharaj has samadhi in =

Pushkar, A trust in Rajkot,
Gujarat and also in Chitakut too. At these pla=
ces they do charitable
activities.
Ranchoddasji Maharaj had many disciple=

s but he never made anybody his
sucessor.
A lot of books have been writte=

n by one or two lady disciples of
Ranchoddasji Maharaj and all this inform=
ation written here is coming
from those books. these books are avialable i=
n his ashrams. They are
written in Gujarati and Hindi Dialect.
These book=
s describe Ranchoddasji Maharaj's teachings, his view on
many things, his =
short speeches and kind of like biography.
These are very good books, they=

describe many aspects of spirtuality
in simple laymans language.
Babaji =
indicated that Lahiri Mahashaya was his disciple for 5 births
and in this b=
irth with kriya yoga he cleared all his impressions and
was given authorit=
y to guide people and initiate in kriya yoga after
relalizing his true nat=
ure. Like him he had another disciple in
Bengal too known as "Din bandhu" =
but I do not have any information on
him.
Babaji did meet Shri Yuteshwar =

Maharaj a few times.
He also indicated that many advanced saints from the =

Nath Sampradaya
also took birth and followed the ramanandi sampradaya to e=
xperiance
more bliss.
My intent here is to share information and not star=

t any
controversies.
If anyone needs the names of these books and also th=

e address of
ashrams, I am very happy to provide that too.
If there is in=
terest in more information than I shall try to write
more about the lineag=
e and the prominent saints of the lineage too.
I also have many pictures o=

f Ranchoddasji Maharaj, but am not sure
how to load them up for you all to=
see.
Happy Navratri
Best Regards
Mitesh

Oct 2008 21:38:13 -0000
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Subject: Re: Paramhans Yogananda's Lineage
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With all due respect (and emphasizing again that there is no

disrespect int=
ended), there are numerous claimants to the Babaji
title. Some folks have c=
oncluded that he was born as "Nagraj" in
Southern India around 200AD (to th=
e extent that the author of the book
that makes this claim goes so far as t=
o also claim to have uncovered
the temple where he was born 1800 years ago)=
, few others claim
Hariakhan Baba was actually the Babaji referred to in Pa=
ramahamsa
Yogananda's book etc; and plenty of others make similar claims ab=
out
who Babaji was/is that I will skip for the sake of brevity.
Paramahams=
a Yogananda unequivocally states in his "Autobiography of a
Yogi"; and I qu=
ote
"That there is no historical reference to Babaji need not surprise us.
=
The great guru has never openly appeared in any century; the
misinterpretin=
g glare of publicity has no place in his millennial plans"
<...><followed b=
y>
"No limiting facts about Babaji's family or birthplace, dear to the
anna=
list's heart, have ever been discovered. "
It would be rather surprising t=

o find out that the Divine Master chose
not to reveal his history for centu=
ries to anyone, including the
Spiritual Masters of his lineage; and later o=
n chose to "come out", so
to speak, in a public manner.
Another point to n=
ote is that there is no mention by anyone of such a
remarkable Divine perso=
n in any text *prior* to the revelation by
Paramahamsa Yogananda in his boo=
k, followed by numerous revelations by
a multitude of people till date, inc=
luding folks today who claim to be
"direct" disciples of the Master.
That =
said, it hardly matters who He was in regular life, instead lets
agree that=
we are talking about a Divine Master indeed. Also, that a
lot of the highl=
y spiritually evolved souls since then have met or
received blessings/visio=
ns of the Deathless Guru is a given; after
all, there is some amount of Bab=
aji in them in the form of Divinity, no?
Best,
./Dinesh
--- In vedic-wis=
dom@yahoogroups.com, "m540i98" <m540i98@...> wrote:
>
> Namaste
>
> Recent=
ly I saw some postings and thought I would share some
> information about =
Paramhans Yogananda's lineage.
>
> Many already know that Swamiji's ( Para=
mahans Yogaanda) was a direct
> disciple of Shri Yukteshwar Maharaj a disc=
iple of Shri Lahiri
> Mahashaya.
>
> As per his book Lahiri Mahashaya was=
a disciple of Babaji.
> Babaji lived in India in physical body till 1973. =
He took
> Maha samadhi in Bombay and his Samadhi is located in Phuskar
> R=
ajasthan.
>
> Babaji is also know as Ranchod Dasji Maharaj, Paramhans of C=
hirtakut
> and some more names too. He was a Maharatrian Deshasth brahmin =
by
> birth and was born in Gwailor district in MP.
>
> Ranchod Dasji Maha=
raj name was given to him by his disciples in
> Gujarat.
>
> He may have =
lived for 700 plus years.
>
> He ran away from home at a very tender age a=
nd was taken up a
> disciple by Bala Krishna Dasji also known as Paihari B=
aba.
> Paihari baba was also very releaized, he only drank milk and so the =
> name. Paihari Baba was Gujarati by birth but spoke in Hindi.
>
> Paihar=
i Baba lived in Kulu for a long time, than in Pushkar, he was
> in Pushkar=
when the temple of Srinathji was moved from Mathura to
> Rajasthan. At th=
at time he did a lot of seva of lord Krishna in
> Pushkar.
> After that h=
e lived in Galtaji near jaipur in Rajasthan.
> Babaji also lived in Galtaj=
i for about 12 years and he had the vision
> of Lord Rama in the same cave=
, that exists today too.
>
> It is located a few miles from Jaipur, there =
are a few temples there
> near the cave. I have visited this cave too.
>
=
> From Galtaji Paihari Baba moved to Revasa and than to Kashmir where
> he=
lived in a place called "Rasayani Gufa".
>
> Paihari Baba also may have l=
ived for 500 plus years too.
>
> While at Galtaji, the Famous Tulsidas mah=
araj had visited Paihari
> Baba and give a hand written manuscipt of Ramay=
ana.
>
> They belong to the Ramanandi Sampradaya who has Lord Ram and Godd=
ess
> Sita devi as ishta devata. Ramanandi Sampardaya came as an offshot o=
f
> Ramanuja Sampradaya.
>
> Babaji or Ranchod Dasji Maharaj lived for ma=
ny years in Bengal,
> Chitrakot and Also visited Gujarat. He also stayed i=
n Kashmir.
> One of the kings of Kashmir was a devout disciple of Paihari B=
aba.
>
> Both Babaji and Paihari Baba were adept in "kaya kalpa" and they =
also
> had strong connection with saints located in Tibet.
>
> Paihari Ba=
ba used to remain in samadhi at a stretch for 2 to 3 years.
> Paihari Baba =
as a young brahamchari served also Swami Ramananda in
> Kashi.
>
> Rancho=
ddasji Maharaj has samadhi in Pushkar, A trust in Rajkot,
> Gujarat and al=
so in Chitakut too. At these places they do charitable
> activities.
>
> =
Ranchoddasji Maharaj had many disciples but he never made anybody his
> su=
cessor.
>
> A lot of books have been written by one or two lady disciples =
of
> Ranchoddasji Maharaj and all this information written here is coming =
> from those books. these books are avialable in his ashrams. They are
> =
written in Gujarati and Hindi Dialect.
>
> These books describe Ranchoddas=
ji Maharaj's teachings, his view on
> many things, his short speeches and =
kind of like biography.
>
> These are very good books, they describe many =
aspects of spirtuality
> in simple laymans language.
>
> Babaji indicated=
that Lahiri Mahashaya was his disciple for 5 births
> and in this birth wi=
th kriya yoga he cleared all his impressions and
> was given authority to =
guide people and initiate in kriya yoga after
> relalizing his true nature=
. Like him he had another disciple in
> Bengal too known as "Din bandhu" b=
ut I do not have any information on
> him.
>
> Babaji did meet Shri Yutes=
hwar Maharaj a few times.
>
> He also indicated that many advanced saints =
from the Nath Sampradaya
> also took birth and followed the ramanandi samp=
radaya to experiance
> more bliss.
>
> My intent here is to share informa=
tion and not start any
> controversies.
>
> If anyone needs the names of =
these books and also the address of
> ashrams, I am very happy to provide =
that too.
>
> If there is interest in more information than I shall try to=
write
> more about the lineage and the prominent saints of the lineage to=
o.
>
> I also have many pictures of Ranchoddasji Maharaj, but am not sure =
> how to load them up for you all to see.

>
> Happy Navratri
>
> Best Re=
gards
> Mitesh
>
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Karthi
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8 <m540i98@...> wrote:
From: m540i98 <m540i98@...>

Subject: [v=
edic-wisdom] Paramhans Yogananda's Lineage
Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 2:26 AM
Namaste
Recently I saw som=

e postings and thought I would share some
information about Paramhans Yoga=
nanda's lineage.
Many already know that Swamiji's ( Paramahans Yogaanda) w=

as a direct
disciple of Shri Yukteshwar Maharaj a disciple of Shri Lahiri =
Mahashaya.
As per his book Lahiri Mahashaya was a disciple of Babaji.

Bab=
aji lived in India in physical body till 1973. He took
Maha samadhi in Bomb=
ay and his Samadhi is located in Phuskar
Rajasthan.
Babaji is also know a=

s Ranchod Dasji Maharaj, Paramhans of Chirtakut
and some more names too. H=
e was a Maharatrian Deshasth brahmin by
birth and was born in Gwailor dist=
rict in MP.
Ranchod Dasji Maharaj name was given to him by his disciples i=

n
Gujarat.
He may have lived for 700 plus years.
He ran away from home a=

t a very tender age and was taken up a
disciple by Bala Krishna Dasji also=
known as Paihari Baba.
Paihari baba was also very releaized, he only drank=
milk and so the
name. Paihari Baba was Gujarati by birth but spoke in Hin=
di.
Paihari Baba lived in Kulu for a long time, than in Pushkar, he was
i=
n Pushkar when the temple of Srinathji was moved from Mathura to
Rajasthan=
. At that time he did a lot of seva of lord Krishna in
Pushkar.
After tha=
t he lived in Galtaji near jaipur in Rajasthan.
Babaji also lived in Galta=
ji for about 12 years and he had the vision
of Lord Rama in the same cave,=
that exists today too.
It is located a few miles from Jaipur, there are a=

few temples there
near the cave. I have visited this cave too.
>From Galt=
aji Paihari Baba moved to Revasa and than to Kashmir where
he lived in a p=
lace called "Rasayani Gufa".
Paihari Baba also may have lived for 500 plus=

years too.
While at Galtaji, the Famous Tulsidas maharaj had visited Paih=

ari
Baba and give a hand written manuscipt of Ramayana.
They belong to th=

e Ramanandi Sampradaya who has Lord Ram and Goddess
Sita devi as ishta dev=
ata. Ramanandi Sampardaya came as an offshot of
Ramanuja Sampradaya.
Baba=
ji or Ranchod Dasji Maharaj lived for many years in Bengal,
Chitrakot and =
Also visited Gujarat. He also stayed in Kashmir.
One of the kings of Kashmi=
r was a devout disciple of Paihari Baba.
Both Babaji and Paihari Baba were=

adept in "kaya kalpa" and they also
had strong connection with saints loc=
ated in Tibet.
Paihari Baba used to remain in samadhi at a stretch for 2 t=

o 3 years.
Paihari Baba as a young brahamchari served also Swami Ramananda =
in
Kashi.
Ranchoddasji Maharaj has samadhi in Pushkar, A trust in Rajkot,=
Gujarat and also in Chitakut too. At these places they do charitable

act=
ivities.
Ranchoddasji Maharaj had many disciples but he never made anybody=

his
sucessor.
A lot of books have been written by one or two lady discip=

les of
Ranchoddasji Maharaj and all this information written here is comin=
g
from those books. these books are avialable in his ashrams. They are
wr=
itten in Gujarati and Hindi Dialect.
These books describe Ranchoddasji Mah=

araj's teachings, his view on
many things, his short speeches and kind of =
like biography.
These are very good books, they describe many aspects of s=

pirtuality
in simple laymans language.
Babaji indicated that Lahiri Mahas=

haya was his disciple for 5 births
and in this birth with kriya yoga he cle=
ared all his impressions and
was given authority to guide people and initi=
ate in kriya yoga after
relalizing his true nature. Like him he had anothe=
r disciple in
Bengal too known as "Din bandhu" but I do not have any infor=
mation on
him.
Babaji did meet Shri Yuteshwar Maharaj a few times.
He al=
so indicated that many advanced saints from the Nath Sampradaya
also took =
birth and followed the ramanandi sampradaya to experiance
more bliss.
My =
intent here is to share information and not start any
controversies.
If a=
nyone needs the names of these books and also the address of
ashrams, I am=
very happy to provide that too.
If there is interest in more information =

than I shall try to write
more about the lineage and the prominent saints =
of the lineage too.
I also have many pictures of Ranchoddasji Maharaj, but=

am not sure
how to load them up for you all to see.
Happy Navratri
Best=
Regards
Mitesh
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style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Hi Mitesh,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Would you please share the source of the information that you have provided?.
thank you</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regards</DIV>
<DIV>Karthi<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 10/4/08, m540i98 <I><m540i98@...></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
2px solid">From: m540i98 <m540i98@...><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Paramhans
Yogananda's Lineage<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Saturday, October
4, 2008, 2:26 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv605454540>
<DIV id=ygrp-text>
<DIV>Namaste<BR><BR>Recently I saw some postings and thought I would share some
<BR>information about Paramhans Yogananda's lineage.<BR><BR>Many already know that
Swamiji's ( Paramahans Yogaanda) was a direct <BR>disciple of Shri Yukteshwar
Maharaj a disciple of Shri Lahiri <BR>Mahashaya.<BR><BR>As per his book Lahiri
Mahashaya was a disciple of Babaji.<BR>Babaji lived in India in physical body till
1973. He took<BR>Maha samadhi in Bombay and his Samadhi is located in Phuskar
<BR>Rajasthan.<BR><BR>Babaji is also know as Ranchod Dasji Maharaj, Paramhans of
Chirtakut <BR>and some more names too. He was a Maharatrian Deshasth brahmin by
<BR>birth and was born in Gwailor district in MP.<BR><BR>Ranchod Dasji Maharaj name
was given to him by his disciples in <BR>Gujarat.<BR><BR>He may have lived for 700
plus years.<BR><BR>He ran away from home at a very tender age and was taken up a
<BR>disciple by Bala Krishna Dasji also known as Paihari Baba.<BR>Paihari baba
was also very releaized, he only drank milk and so the <BR>name. Paihari Baba was
Gujarati by birth but spoke in Hindi.<BR><BR>Paihari Baba lived in Kulu for a long
time, than in Pushkar, he was <BR>in Pushkar when the temple of Srinathji was moved
from Mathura to <BR>Rajasthan. At that time he did a lot of seva of lord Krishna in
<BR>Pushkar. <BR>After that he lived in Galtaji near jaipur in Rajasthan.
<BR>Babaji also lived in Galtaji for about 12 years and he had the vision <BR>of
Lord Rama in the same cave, that exists today too.<BR><BR>It is located a few miles
from Jaipur, there are a few temples there <BR>near the cave. I have visited this
cave too.<BR><BR>From Galtaji Paihari Baba moved to Revasa and than to Kashmir
where <BR>he lived in a place called "Rasayani Gufa".<BR><BR>Paihari Baba also may
have lived for 500 plus years too.<BR><BR>While at Galtaji, the Famous Tulsidas
maharaj had visited Paihari <BR>Baba and give a hand written manuscipt
of Ramayana.<BR><BR>They belong to the Ramanandi Sampradaya who has Lord Ram and
Goddess <BR>Sita devi as ishta devata. Ramanandi Sampardaya came as an offshot of
<BR>Ramanuja Sampradaya.<BR><BR>Babaji or Ranchod Dasji Maharaj lived for many
years in Bengal, <BR>Chitrakot and Also visited Gujarat. He also stayed in
Kashmir.<BR>One of the kings of Kashmir was a devout disciple of Paihari
Baba.<BR><BR>Both Babaji and Paihari Baba were adept in "kaya kalpa" and they also
<BR>had strong connection with saints located in Tibet.<BR><BR>Paihari Baba used to
remain in samadhi at a stretch for 2 to 3 years.<BR>Paihari Baba as a young
brahamchari served also Swami Ramananda in <BR>Kashi.<BR><BR>Ranchoddasji Maharaj
has samadhi in Pushkar, A trust in Rajkot, <BR>Gujarat and also in Chitakut too. At
these places they do charitable <BR>activities.<BR><BR>Ranchoddasji Maharaj had
many disciples but he never made anybody his <BR>sucessor.<BR><BR>A lot of books
have
been written by one or two lady disciples of <BR>Ranchoddasji Maharaj and all this
information written here is coming <BR>from those books. these books are avialable
in his ashrams. They are <BR>written in Gujarati and Hindi Dialect.<BR><BR>These
books describe Ranchoddasji Maharaj's teachings, his view on <BR>many things, his
short speeches and kind of like biography.<BR><BR>These are very good books, they
describe many aspects of spirtuality <BR>in simple laymans language.<BR><BR>Babaji
indicated that Lahiri Mahashaya was his disciple for 5 births<BR>and in this birth
with kriya yoga he cleared all his impressions and <BR>was given authority to guide
people and initiate in kriya yoga after <BR>relalizing his true nature. Like him he
had another disciple in <BR>Bengal too known as "Din bandhu" but I do not have any
information on <BR>him.<BR><BR>Babaji did meet Shri Yuteshwar Maharaj a few
times.<BR><BR>He also indicated that many advanced saints from
the Nath Sampradaya <BR>also took birth and followed the ramanandi sampradaya to
experiance <BR>more bliss.<BR><BR>My intent here is to share information and not
start any <BR>controversies.<BR><BR>If anyone needs the names of these books and
also the address of <BR>ashrams, I am very happy to provide that too.<BR><BR>If
there is interest in more information than I shall try to write <BR>more about the
lineage and the prominent saints of the lineage too.<BR><BR>I also have many
pictures of Ranchoddasji Maharaj, but am not sure <BR>how to load them up for you
all to see.<BR><BR>Happy Navratri<BR><BR>Best
Regards<BR>Mitesh<BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table><br>
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Dear Dinesh
I had forseen a response and may be more too, but I felt like=
sharing
the information that I believe is correct, it is for others to ju=
dge,
investigate, validate and come to any conclusion and I agree to
disa=
gree with them with love. But by sharing this information there
may be oth=
ers that upon investigation may agree too.
I am only talking about babaji =

that is mentioned in Paramhans
yogananda's book and lahiri mahashaya's guru=
. I am not claiming all
these babajis are same and one.
As you have indic=

ated babaji is a very common name and you are very
correct about both the =
instances that you have mentioned, I am
familair with both. There is one g=
entlemen I believe in Canada
having blessings of babaji that you have menti=
oned in the south india
and he has also tried to articulate the lineage, H=
e also does Kriya
yoga classes. But Introductory Kriya Yoga like Babaji is=
very common
form of yoga that many teachers are today teaching everywhere=
.
The other very popular form that everybody talks about but have very
li=
ttle knowledge is the Kundalini Yoga, awakening of Kundalini and
Chakra Bh=
edan.
I had read his book in the past too. The other (Hariakhan) babaji
t=
hat you mention he actually follows the lord shiva bhairav lineage.
Infac=
t over and above the two that you have mentioned, I have heard
of one more=
, Swami Rama who lived in USA and has ashram in the north
east, his guruji=
was also known as babaji and lived in the North
India and Tibet. He is ye=
t another babaji.
These books that I have read and mentioned were publishe=

d some years
ago, yes I agree this is the way Lahiri Mahashaya's Guru deci=
ded to
act, how can I articulate what he wanted.
But if you go to india a=

nd visit Phuskar, he has a samadhi and you
can ask anybody their or visit =
Rajkot Gujarat and you can read the
books for yourshelf. I believe the aut=
hor of the book if alive may be
staying in bombay.
Best Regards
Mitesh
-=
-- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Dinesh Nambisan" <dinesh@...>
wrote:
=
>
> With all due respect (and emphasizing again that there is no
> disrespe=
ct intended), there are numerous claimants to the Babaji
> title. Some folk=
s have concluded that he was born as "Nagraj" in
> Southern India around 20=
0AD (to the extent that the author of the
book
> that makes this claim goe=
s so far as to also claim to have uncovered
> the temple where he was born =
1800 years ago), few others claim
> Hariakhan Baba was actually the Babaji =
referred to in Paramahamsa
> Yogananda's book etc; and plenty of others mak=
e similar claims about
> who Babaji was/is that I will skip for the sake of=
brevity.
>
> Paramahamsa Yogananda unequivocally states in his "Autobiogr=
aphy of
a
> Yogi"; and I quote
> "That there is no historical reference to=
Babaji need not surprise
us.
> The great guru has never openly appeared i=
n any century; the
> misinterpreting glare of publicity has no place in his=
millennial
plans"
> <...><followed by>
> "No limiting facts about Babaji'=
s family or birthplace, dear to the
> annalist's heart, have ever been disc=
overed. "
>
> It would be rather surprising to find out that the Divine Ma=
ster
chose
> not to reveal his history for centuries to anyone, including =
the
> Spiritual Masters of his lineage; and later on chose to "come out",
=
so
> to speak, in a public manner.
>
> Another point to note is that there=
is no mention by anyone of such
a
> remarkable Divine person in any text =
*prior* to the revelation by
> Paramahamsa Yogananda in his book, followed =
by numerous revelations
by
> a multitude of people till date, including fo=
lks today who claim to
be
> "direct" disciples of the Master.
>
> That sa=
id, it hardly matters who He was in regular life, instead
lets
> agree tha=
t we are talking about a Divine Master indeed. Also, that a
> lot of the hi=
ghly spiritually evolved souls since then have met or
> received blessings/=
visions of the Deathless Guru is a given; after
> all, there is some amount=
of Babaji in them in the form of
Divinity, no?
>
>
> Best,
> ./Dinesh
>=
> --- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "m540i98" <m540i98@> wrote:

> >
> =
> Namaste
> >
> > Recently I saw some postings and thought I would share s=
ome
> > information about Paramhans Yogananda's lineage.
> >
> > Many alr=
eady know that Swamiji's ( Paramahans Yogaanda) was a
direct
> > disciple=
of Shri Yukteshwar Maharaj a disciple of Shri Lahiri
> > Mahashaya.
> >
=
> > As per his book Lahiri Mahashaya was a disciple of Babaji.
> > Babaji l=
ived in India in physical body till 1973. He took
> > Maha samadhi in Bomba=
y and his Samadhi is located in Phuskar
> > Rajasthan.
> >
> > Babaji is =
also know as Ranchod Dasji Maharaj, Paramhans of
Chirtakut
> > and some m=
ore names too. He was a Maharatrian Deshasth brahmin by
> > birth and was =
born in Gwailor district in MP.
> >
> > Ranchod Dasji Maharaj name was giv=
en to him by his disciples in
> > Gujarat.
> >
> > He may have lived for =
700 plus years.
> >
> > He ran away from home at a very tender age and was=
taken up a
> > disciple by Bala Krishna Dasji also known as Paihari Baba.=
> > Paihari baba was also very releaized, he only drank milk and so
the
=
> > name. Paihari Baba was Gujarati by birth but spoke in Hindi.
> >
> > P=
aihari Baba lived in Kulu for a long time, than in Pushkar, he
was
> > in=
Pushkar when the temple of Srinathji was moved from Mathura to
> > Rajast=
han. At that time he did a lot of seva of lord Krishna in
> > Pushkar.
> =
> After that he lived in Galtaji near jaipur in Rajasthan.
> > Babaji also=
lived in Galtaji for about 12 years and he had the
vision
> > of Lord Ra=
ma in the same cave, that exists today too.
> >
> > It is located a few mi=
les from Jaipur, there are a few temples
there
> > near the cave. I have =
visited this cave too.
> >
> > From Galtaji Paihari Baba moved to Revasa a=
nd than to Kashmir
where
> > he lived in a place called "Rasayani Gufa".
=
> >
> > Paihari Baba also may have lived for 500 plus years too.
> >
> > =
While at Galtaji, the Famous Tulsidas maharaj had visited Paihari
> > Baba=
and give a hand written manuscipt of Ramayana.
> >
> > They belong to the=
Ramanandi Sampradaya who has Lord Ram and
Goddess
> > Sita devi as ishta=
devata. Ramanandi Sampardaya came as an
offshot of
> > Ramanuja Samprada=
ya.
> >
> > Babaji or Ranchod Dasji Maharaj lived for many years in Bengal=
,
> > Chitrakot and Also visited Gujarat. He also stayed in Kashmir.
> > O=
ne of the kings of Kashmir was a devout disciple of Paihari Baba.
> >
> > =
Both Babaji and Paihari Baba were adept in "kaya kalpa" and they
also
> >=
had strong connection with saints located in Tibet.
> >
> > Paihari Baba =
used to remain in samadhi at a stretch for 2 to 3
years.
> > Paihari Baba =
as a young brahamchari served also Swami Ramananda
in
> > Kashi.
> >
> >=
Ranchoddasji Maharaj has samadhi in Pushkar, A trust in Rajkot,
> > Gujar=
at and also in Chitakut too. At these places they do
charitable
> > activ=
ities.
> >
> > Ranchoddasji Maharaj had many disciples but he never made a=
nybody
his
> > sucessor.
> >
> > A lot of books have been written by one=
or two lady disciples of
> > Ranchoddasji Maharaj and all this informatio=
n written here is
coming
> > from those books. these books are avialable =
in his ashrams. They
are
> > written in Gujarati and Hindi Dialect.
> >
=
> > These books describe Ranchoddasji Maharaj's teachings, his view
on
> =
> many things, his short speeches and kind of like biography.
> >
> > Thes=
e are very good books, they describe many aspects of
spirtuality
> > in s=
imple laymans language.
> >
> > Babaji indicated that Lahiri Mahashaya was=
his disciple for 5
births
> > and in this birth with kriya yoga he cleare=
d all his impressions
and
> > was given authority to guide people and ini=
tiate in kriya yoga
after
> > relalizing his true nature. Like him he had=
another disciple in
> > Bengal too known as "Din bandhu" but I do not hav=
e any
information on
> > him.
> >
> > Babaji did meet Shri Yuteshwar Mah=
araj a few times.
> >
> > He also indicated that many advanced saints from=
the Nath
Sampradaya
> > also took birth and followed the ramanandi sampr=
adaya to
experiance
> > more bliss.
> >
> > My intent here is to share i=
nformation and not start any
> > controversies.
> >
> > If anyone needs t=
he names of these books and also the address of
> > ashrams, I am very hap=
py to provide that too.
> >
> > If there is interest in more information t=
han I shall try to
write
> > more about the lineage and the prominent sai=
nts of the lineage
too.
> >
> > I also have many pictures of Ranchoddasji=
Maharaj, but am not
sure
> > how to load them up for you all to see.
> >=
> > Happy Navratri

> >
> > Best Regards
> > Mitesh
> >
>
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Dear Karthi
The books that I have mentioned are as follows:
Shri Gurudev =
ki sannidhi me
By Kumari Kumudini Paramanand Panjwani
She has covered in t=

he books from 1950 to 1973 over the six volumes
In volume 1 he himself indi=
cates the lineage.
I have read vol 1 to vol 6, it appears they started pub=
lishing in
1980s.
In Vol 3 on page 239 he discusses about Lahiri Mahashay=

a.
He also indicated there that all the story described in Paramhans
Yogan=
anda's book about the surrondings at the time of Lahiri
Mahashaya's initia=
tion are not true. He also has indicated that he
never physically met Yoga=
nanda, always they met in Samadhi state.
These are very good books with lo=

ts of knowledge and practical things
with good scientific explanation of m=
any aspects of vedas, yoga, etc.
One can get this books at following plac=

es
1) Shri Sadguru Sadan Trust Ashram

Kuvadvaa Road Rajkot, Gujarat, In=
dia 360003
2) Shri Sadguru Seva Sangh Trust
Mafatlal house
Back bay r=
eclamation
Bombay 400020
3) Shri Ramdham Trust
Phuskar, Rajasthan
4) =
Shri Sadguru Seva Sangh Trust
Janki Kund
Chitrakut, UP, India 210204 =
Over and above this there are other books too like "Sudha
Sarita", "Mana=
v Drasti" etc.
Hope this clarifies your query
Best Regards
Mitesh
--- In =
vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, sivasankara narayanan
<seshasiva@...> wrote:=
>
> Hi Mitesh,
> =A0
> Would you please share the source of the informatio=
n that you have
provided?. thank you
> =A0
> Regards
> Karthi
>
> --- On =
Sat, 10/4/08, m540i98 <m540i98@...> wrote:
>
> From: m540i98 <m540i98@...>=
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Paramhans Yogananda's Lineage

> To: vedic-wisdom=
@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 2:26 AM
>
>
>
>
>
=
>
> Namaste
>
> Recently I saw some postings and thought I would share so=
me
> information about Paramhans Yogananda's lineage.
>
> Many already kn=
ow that Swamiji's ( Paramahans Yogaanda) was a
direct
> disciple of Shri =
Yukteshwar Maharaj a disciple of Shri Lahiri
> Mahashaya.
>
> As per his =
book Lahiri Mahashaya was a disciple of Babaji.
> Babaji lived in India in =
physical body till 1973. He took
> Maha samadhi in Bombay and his Samadhi i=
s located in Phuskar
> Rajasthan.
>
> Babaji is also know as Ranchod Dasj=
i Maharaj, Paramhans of
Chirtakut
> and some more names too. He was a Mah=
aratrian Deshasth brahmin by
> birth and was born in Gwailor district in M=
P.
>
> Ranchod Dasji Maharaj name was given to him by his disciples in
> =
Gujarat.
>
> He may have lived for 700 plus years.
>
> He ran away from h=
ome at a very tender age and was taken up a
> disciple by Bala Krishna Das=
ji also known as Paihari Baba.
> Paihari baba was also very releaized, he o=
nly drank milk and so the
> name. Paihari Baba was Gujarati by birth but s=
poke in Hindi.
>
> Paihari Baba lived in Kulu for a long time, than in Pus=
hkar, he was
> in Pushkar when the temple of Srinathji was moved from Math=
ura to
> Rajasthan. At that time he did a lot of seva of lord Krishna in
=
> Pushkar.
> After that he lived in Galtaji near jaipur in Rajasthan.
> B=
abaji also lived in Galtaji for about 12 years and he had the
vision
> of=
>
> It is located a fe=
w miles from Jaipur, there are a few temples
there
> near the cave. I hav=
e visited this cave too.
>
> From Galtaji Paihari Baba moved to Revasa and=
than to Kashmir where
> he lived in a place called "Rasayani Gufa".
>
> =
Paihari Baba also may have lived for 500 plus years too.
>
> While at Galt=
aji, the Famous Tulsidas maharaj had visited Paihari
> Baba and give a han=
d written manuscipt of Ramayana.
>
> They belong to the Ramanandi Samprada=
ya who has Lord Ram and
Goddess
> Sita devi as ishta devata. Ramanandi Sa=
mpardaya came as an offshot
of
>
> Babaji or Ranc=
hod Dasji Maharaj lived for many years in Bengal,
> Chitrakot and Also vis=
ited Gujarat. He also stayed in Kashmir.
> One of the kings of Kashmir was =
a devout disciple of Paihari Baba.
>
> Both Babaji and Paihari Baba were a=
dept in "kaya kalpa" and they
also
> had strong connection with saints lo=
cated in Tibet.
>
> Paihari Baba used to remain in samadhi at a stretch fo=
r 2 to 3
years.
> Paihari Baba as a young brahamchari served also Swami Ra=
mananda in
> Kashi.
>
> Ranchoddasji Maharaj has samadhi in Pushkar, A tr=
ust in Rajkot,
> Gujarat and also in Chitakut too. At these places they do=
charitable
> activities.
>
> Ranchoddasji Maharaj had many disciples bu=
t he never made anybody
his
> sucessor.
>
> A lot of books have been wri=
tten by one or two lady disciples of
> Ranchoddasji Maharaj and all this i=
nformation written here is
coming
> from those books. these books are avi=
alable in his ashrams. They
are
> written in Gujarati and Hindi Dialect.
=
>
> These books describe Ranchoddasji Maharaj's teachings, his view on
> =
many things, his short speeches and kind of like biography.
>
> These are =
very good books, they describe many aspects of
spirtuality
> in simple la=
ymans language.
>
> Babaji indicated that Lahiri Mahashaya was his discipl=
e for 5 births
> and in this birth with kriya yoga he cleared all his impre=
ssions
and
> was given authority to guide people and initiate in kriya yo=
ga
after
> relalizing his true nature. Like him he had another disciple i=
n
> Bengal too known as "Din bandhu" but I do not have any information
on=
> him.
>
> Babaji did meet Shri Yuteshwar Maharaj a few times.
>
> He a=
lso indicated that many advanced saints from the Nath
Sampradaya
> also t=
ook birth and followed the ramanandi sampradaya to experiance
> more bliss=
.
>
> My intent here is to share information and not start any
> controve=
rsies.
>
> If anyone needs the names of these books and also the address o=
f
> ashrams, I am very happy to provide that too.
>
> If there is interes=
t in more information than I shall try to write
> more about the lineage a=
nd the prominent saints of the lineage too.
>
> I also have many pictures =
of Ranchoddasji Maharaj, but am not sure
> how to load them up for you all=
to see.
>
> Happy Navratri
>
> Best Regards
> Mitesh
>
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Namaste,
You misunderstood me. The appearance was not "before me". It was=
before my guru Dr Manish Pandit. The only other person present on the temp=
le premises at that time was the gentleman I mentioned, who lost his job af=
ter starting Kaali mantra and went to India for pilgrimage. I was not there=
then. Though I was chanting with Manish on other days, I was sent away on =
that specific day to visit Kanchi and Tirunavannamalai (Ramana Maharshi's p=
lace).
I understand it was Mahaakaali who gave a darshan and asked Manish=
to spread homam as a spiritual sadhana in the world. She told him that she=
would arrange all the resources needed and asked him to just start. She al=
so apparently told him of a sequence of events that were to happen.
Inter=
estingly, the head priest of that temple had some books on homam gifted to =
Manish and me on the very next day. Neither Manish nor I asked him for such=
books. We never expressed interest in doing homam or learning homam. He hi=
mself got the inspiration. There was a book on different styles of homam fo=
r Ganesha and another book (by Ramakrishna Mutt, Chennai!) on the procedure=
s for various types of homam. Manish and I were gifted one copy each. I per=
used those books to devise the short method described in the manuals.
* =
* *
Interestingly, how we met that priest and how this shata=

Chandi homam was arranged is based on interesting coincidences. The son of=
the guru of a local priest was visiting greater Boston temporarily. He was=
a famous sivacharya (a special group of priests) from Chennai and the head=
priest of Kaalikambal temple in Chennai. We merely went to take his blessi=
ngs on a Thursday night. We chatted a little with him and then my wife aske=
d him "what are you doing on this Saturday". He immediately said with affec=
tion "we are doing on Saturday whatever Mrs Padmaja (my wife's name) tells =
us to do". Please note that we met for the first time in this life and did =
not know each other at all. My wife said "well, we perform a Satya Narayana=
vratam on every Pournima night. You are most welcome to attend." He said "=
we are coming". Then he called up a few guys in Canada and told them to can=
cel some events in Canada. We learnt later that he was supposed to spend th=
at weekend in Canada. Instead, he decided to stay back and come to our hous=
e.
He came to our house on Saturday evening (Pournima) with two other sen=
ior priests. They stayed till the end of Satya Narayana vratam (almost midn=
ight) and enjoyed it. As soon as he entered our house, he declared "I must =
do a Chandi homam at your house. The mother wants me to do a homam here. Bu=
t I have one condition. I and other priests who come with me will not take =
even a cent. You buy the materials needed, but give no money." Even though =
we were not excited about the condition, we said ok.
During the navaratri=

s of 2005, a few days after a solar eclipse on my lagna (when Sun, Moon, Me=
rcury and Ketu were in Kanya - my lagna and 8th house from Moon), he came w=
ith 3 other priests and did a Chandi homam in really grand style. It was an=
amazing experience. It was actually the first time in my life that I heard=
Chandipath. I had never heard it before. Interestingly, I had my own biase=
s. In the morning, I actually prayed to Mahalakshmi (my ishta devata), "O M=
other, these priests want to do Chandi homam at my house and I consented. I=
don't know who Chandi is. Whichever deity they call, I will be thinking of=
you only. You please come and bless us." It was partly innocent and partly=
foolish.
This was my first exposure to Chandipath and the first Chandi h=

omam at my house. To think that I have now done more than 320 Chandi homas =
at my house..
* * *
Manish was concerned about the contin=
ued troubles faced by the Sankaracharya of Kanchi (the state government fil=
ed some cases against him) and he decided that we had to perform a Shata Ch=
andi homam for his relief. He was not sure when and where it should happen.=
After the Chandi homam at our house, we became close to that priest and =
kept meeting him regularly (until he left Boston). When I mentioned Manish'=
s wish to him, he said "Sir, we will do the Shata Chandi homam he wanted at=
our temple. I will arrange everything. You and Manish Pandit just come and=
sit for the event. We will take the sankalpa you want. I will do everythin=
g."
Finally, the shata Chandi homam was conducted March 1-7, 2006. Intere=
stingly, on the 64th day from the poornahuti of that homam, the ruling gove=
rnment of that state was defeated in elections and a new government came.
=
Manish put it this way later "Narasimha, who are we to help a great saint =
like Sankaracharya? We are not capable of helping him. We are really of no =
use. The idea was not that we would help him. The idea is that we would hel=
p *ourselves* because of the positive intention to help Sanakaracharya! It =
is all Her play. See, the Mother gave the thought of helping him and brough=
t us to Chennai. Then she appeared and instructed to spread homam. Now so m=
any people are doing homam and benefiting. In future, many many more will d=
o. All this is happening because of a positive intention to help Sanakarach=
arya."
Though the dates for shata Chandi homam were picked almost arbitra=
rily, there was one interesting coincidence. The day on which the ritual wa=
s started (2006 March 1) was actually the lunar birthday (tithi pravesha) o=
f Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. In fact, the time when we took sankalpam formall=
y and kicked off the 7-day-long ritual (in the morning of March 1) was inte=
restingly within a couple of minutes from the *exact* Tithi Pravesha time (=
time at which the same fraction of same tithi is left as at birth) of Ramak=
rishna Paramahamsa. This was not planned and was a mere coincidence. In fac=
t, I noticed it after the fact!
Some forces beyond the scope of the think=

ing of my mind are behind the homam movement that is slowly picking up. I a=
m fortunate to be picked as an instrument in this spiritual movement.
* =
* *
Actually, I do not honestly consider the goddess and Sar=

ada Mata (and, for that matter, my guru) to be really different. But that i=
s a different thing.
Best regards,
Narasimha
----------------------------=
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w.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
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rologer.org/tarpana
Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdo=
m
Free Jyoti=
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Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Right deity and sadhana (=
Re: Yogananda)
Dear Narsimhaji, You mentioned the appearance of mo=

ther before you. Can you kindly clarify which mother? you mean Sharda devi =
(Thakurain Ma) or Goddess Durga ? Kindly answer this immediately as I am ex=
cited to know this trutth about homa.
Dr.Ashwin Rawal
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On Thu, 2/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrote:
=
om] Right deity and sadhana (Re: Yogananda)
To: vedic-wisdom@yaho=
ogroups.com
Date: Thursd=
ay, 2 October, 2008, 4:21 AM
Namaste,
Choosing the r=
ight deity for sadhana is important. If you do not know the
righ=
t deity, just doing some sadhana is definitely better than waiting. Pick
=
Ple=
ase remember that sadhana for spiritual progress is different from
=
sadhana for specific material benefits. No matter which deity you worshi=
p,
sadhana performed for spiritual progress never goes waste. Ho=
wever,
sometimes it may be necessary to experience the results o=
f some bad karmas
before some good things happen. Imagine all yo=
ur karmas lying in a pile in a
basket. Suppose some of the reall=
y good karmas that will enable you to do
serious sadhana and exp=
erience great things lie at the bottom or middle of
the pile. Wh=
en you start sadhana, suppose god decides to give you the fruits
=
of those auspicious karmas. Imagine him reaching into the pile and
=
retrieving those karmas. In the process, some other karmas may spill ov=
er
and give their fruits. Some of those may be undesirable. So w=
hat? They had
=
A serious sadhaka should never be disheartened by a few seemingly=
undesirable results after starting a spiritual sadhana. Just ke=

ep going.
One gentleman I know received mantra for Kaali from a =

very good
priest-cum-yogi in late 2005. After he did the mantra =
laid off and lost his job. He was not per=
turbed. He continued his sadhana
and used the break to go on an =
extended trip to India and make a pilgrimage
to some nice places=
. He participated in the Shata Chandi homam we conducted
at the =
Kaalikambal temple in Chennai in March 2006. He met my guru and got
=
the opportunity to be his room mate for a week when we stayed at the ho=
use
of a priest during the homam. He could observe and interact =
with my guru
very closely. Most importantly, when my guru had a =
vision of the Mother on
2006 March 3 afternoon, in which She tol=
d him to start the work on spreading
homam in the world, this ge=
ntleman was present there. Though he could not
see the Mother, h=
e actually smelled something out of the world and was
baffled. H=
e knew something was going on, but did not know what. The temple
=
was closed at the time and my guru and this gentlemen were the only people=
on the premises when the Mother appeared. Even though he could =

not see the
Mother, it was most fortunate of him to be present t=
here at *that* crucial
moment. That is enough to mould the rest =
of his life.
You never know how, when and where the grace of god=
falls on you.
Calculations and logic are useless when it comes =
to the grace of god. Just
surrender and keep doing whatever sadh=
ana you picked. If it needs
fine-tuning, somebody will appear to=
tell you that. Any bad things that
happen when doing a spiritua=
l sadhana should be viewed as nature settling
some debts so that=
you are prepared to receive the fruits of some really
auspiciou=
s karmas.
As Shirdi Sai Baba says, you should have "sraddha and =

saburi". Have devotion
and patience. There is no limit to what y=
ou can get then.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Do =
Do=
Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana
=
Fre=
Fre=
Sri=
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> Namaste Sir
> what you s=
aid makes a lot sense and it was marvellous
> but i have some sma=
ll doubts
>
> Leaving astrology aside and those who do =
not have a guru
=
> bcoz in second part of AGHORA, Vimalanda, said choosing right de=
ity
=
=
>
> One thing more
> we have so many deities that on =
diwali i would like to worship
> Lakshmi and Kali
> in =
navaratri (nowadays) we would worship Durga
> on janmashtami we w=
ould fast for KRISHNA
=
> like this
=
>
> though everybody knows GOD is ONE but it becomes difficu=
lt to get
> out of this
> mould and if i didnt worship =
her may be that GOD/GODDESS may become
> angry
>
=
=
>
> One thing more
>
> Suppose if i=
choose a deity and something wrong happens
> (materiallistically=
)
>
> what should i consider that my deity was helping=
me to clear my
> DEBTS/WRONG DEEDS
> or the NATURE was=
telling me to change the DEITY as I am not fit
> for that DEITY
=
>
> o what am i doin=
g does this really works
>
=
>
> s=
omething like what happened to Pt. GOPI KRISHNA JI
> happens to u=
s also
> though he says in his book that he read a lot about yoga=

>
> At any stage i do =
not want you people to get offended
> but these are my doubts whi=
ch are there in my mind
>
> i will not say much now bco=
z in
=
>
> "the shastras are endless and there is so much to b=
e known
=
=
>
> ************ ********* ********* ********* ********=
* ********* ********* ***
> *
> i ll give one small per=
sonal example here
>
> around 26 or 27 dec.2007 i start=
ed chanting 2 mantras (one kar mala
> each)
> in mornin=
g and evening
=
> though my father suffered small injuries my mother suffred frac=
ture
>
> and she is sti=
ll undergoing treatment and will have to
> undergo one more opera=
tion in this month
>
> and in February and March i got =
placement in
> 2 companies (i m doing MCA in india) where most of=
my friends have
> not
> even got one and let me tell y=
ou i m not very intelligent
>
> so sometimes even now i=
consider whether my choosen deity is correct
> or not
=
>
=
> ************ ********* *****=
**** ********* ********* ********* ********* ***
> **
>=
> regards
> jitender
>
> --- In ve=
dic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
> <pvr@...> =
wrote:
>>
>> Namaste,
>>
>> > Makes=
you wonder about the Divine connection between all these
>> > su=
premely elevated souls!
>>
>> Earlier, I was exerting d=
iscretion in sharing personal accounts,
> but She has
>=
> been making me drop guard of late, for whatever reason. I will
=
> continue in
=
>>
>> I had a dream a couple of years ago early in the morning. I=
n the
> dream,
>> there was a big ritual fire. My guru =
Manish Pandit and I were
> sitting in
>> front of the f=
ire. He was teaching me some pranayama techniques in
> the
=
>> dream. Suddenly, he changed into somebody else that I could not
=
> recognize.
=
>>
>> I mentioned this dream to my guru after a couple of we=
eks. First
> he said he
>> did not know who the other p=
erson was and said he would've
> probably known if
>> I=
had mentioned the dream soon after it had happened. I left it
> =
there.
>> However, when we talked in the next weekend, he referre=
d to my
> dream and
>> said he had an idea who it was. =
He gave me a name and asked me to
> search on
>> the in=
> my d=
ream.
>> It was a guru from the lineage of Paramahamsa Yogananda =
(before
> him). Though
>> he is apparently well-known, =
I was not knowledegable about this
> lineage and
>> did=
not see his picture before. I searched on the internet and
> fou=
nd a
>> photo. Interestingly, the photo was very close to the per=
son I saw
> in my
>> dream. The person that Manish tran=
sformed into in my dream looked
> like a
>> slightly yo=
unger version of that photo.
>>
>> When I confirmed thi=
s to Manish, he only smiled and
=
=
>>
>> Of course, I do not know much about kriya yoga or about=
the
> lineage of
>> Paramahamsa Yogananda. Our lineage=
of this life starts from
> Dattatreya. We
>> have a sp=
ecial attachment to Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and his
> lineage and=
got
>> a lot of our knowledge, inspiration and perhaps experienc=
e from
> them. We do
>> not have any direct link to the=
lineage of Paramahamsa Yogananda.
> But,
>> Manish tho=
ught there were some other indirect links. Moreover, he
> guessed=
>> who I saw, even though I myself had no idea who I saw, and he=
> guessed
>> correctly. That should count for somethin=
g!
>>
>> I will not be surprised if there are indeed su=
btle connections
> between
>> several lineages that see=
m disjoint today.
>>
>> By the way, Swami Vivekananda a=
lso appeared in the prison cell of
> Sri
>> Aurobindo (=
who wrote brilliant commentaries on Veda and Upanishad)
> and
=
>=
>
>> * * *
>>
>> An interesting coincidence i=
s that a swamiji from Puri contacted
> me within a
>> f=
ew days after I saw that photo. His guru and Paramahamsa
> Yogana=
nda were
>> co-disciples of the same guru (Yukteshwar Maharaj). H=
e is the
> keeper of
>> some astrological knowledge tha=
t his guru received from Yukteshwar
> Maharaj.
>> He vi=
sited me after a month, discussed that knowledge and spent a
> da=
y at my
>> house. Thus, some small connection was made with a rep=
resentative
> of that
>> lineage soon after the dream. =
After all, some karmik debts may
> have been
>> there..=
.
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> I want to make =
one thing clear.
>>
>> Some things I mention like this =
may give the impression that my
> guru has
>> some psyc=
hic abilities or siddhis. That may indeed be true. But he
> alway=
s
>> downplays those things and attaches no importance whatsoever=
. He
> says,
>> "Narasimha, I am a useless person and l=
ower than dirt and capable
> of
>> nothing. It is all H=
er power. She is the connection between every
> entity in
=
>> this universe. She may choose an idiot like me as an instrument
=
> sometimes
>> and do something using me. I have no special =
abilities of any
> kind. Any
>> coincidences you find a=
re just Her grace and not due to me."
>>
>> I realized =
in time that this simplicity, humility and lack of ego
> is not
=
>> fake. I also realized that this lack of ego is what enabled him=
to
> do things
>> that sound impossible or difficult. =
In fact, I realized that many
> great
>> saints in the =
past were like this. Several magical things happened
> through
=
>> them, but they did not find any pride in them and retained their=
> humility
>> and sense of surrender to their chosen f=
orm of god and believed
> that god
>> was the doer of a=
ll things and they were mere instruments.
>>
>> The day=
you also start believing that, not for the sake of
> lecturing o=
r
>> posturing, but from the deep cores of your heart, your sadha=
na
> will bear
>> fruit.
>>
>> Best=
regards,
>> Narasimha
>> ------------ --------- ------=
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>>
=
>> From: "Dinesh Nambisan"=
<dinesh@...>
>> To: <vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com>
>=
> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 5:54 PM
>> Subject: [vedic-wis=
dom] Yogananda (Re: Dharma)
>>
>>
>> --- In v=
edic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>
>> w=
rote:
>> >
>> > Dear Lakshmi,
>> >
=
>> > The Yogananda I mentioned is different. Swami Yogananda is one of
=
>> the sixteen monastic disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, along
=
> with
>> Swami Vivekananda. He was forced to marry, but=
never slept with his
>> own wife. Swami Vivekananda once said "i=
f any of us (disciples of
>> Ramakrishna) conquered lust complete=
ly and in all respects, it is
>> Joginder (Swami Yogananda)". The=
re is no question of Swami
> Yogananda
>> being accused=
of drinking and having women etc.
>> >
>> > Paramahams=
a Yogananda is a sishya of Yukteshwar Maharaj and from
> the
=
=
> know
>> much about him.
>>
>>
=
>>
>> For what it is worth, you can read more about Paramaha=
msa
> Yogananda in
=
>> here http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/ Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi
=
>>
>> There were interesting links between Ramakrishna Pa=
ramahamsa and
>> For example=
, one of the top disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
> was
=
>> Mahendranath Gupta (not sure if he was one of the 16 monastic
=
=
> wrote
>> (http:/=
/en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Mahendranath_ Gupta), and was the
>> san=
skrit tutor to Paramahamsa Yogananda as well; the latter
> devote=
d an
>> book :
=
> http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/ Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi/ Chapter_9
=
>>
>> Elsewhere in his autobiography Paramhamsa Yogananda =
also mentions
> an
>> anecdote of a disciple to whom he=
gifted a silver cup, who as a
> young
>> man was told =
by Swami Vivekandana that the Guru in his life would
>> present h=
im with a silver cup in the future.
>> http://en.wikisourc e.org/=
wiki/ Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi/ Chapter_47
>>
>> Makes =
you wonder about the Divine connection between all these
>> supre=
>>
>> Best.
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e=3D2>You misunderstood me. The appearance was not
"before me". It was bef=
ore my guru Dr Manish Pandit. The only other person
present on the temple =
premises at that time was the gentleman I mentioned, who
lost his job afte=
r starting Kaali mantra and went to India for pilgrimage. I was
not there =
then. Though I was chanting with Manish on other days, I was sent away
on =
that specific day to visit Kanchi and Tirunavannamalai (Ramana Maharshi's
=
place).</FONT></DIV>
<=
DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I understand it was Mahaakaali who gave a d=
arshan
and asked Manish to spread homam as a spiritual sadhana in the worl=
d. She told
him that she would arrange all the resources needed and asked =
him to just start.
She also apparently told him of a sequence of events th=
at were to
happen.</FONT></DIV>
ONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Interestingly, the head priest =
of that temple had
some books on homam gifted to Manish and me on the very=
next day. Neither Manish
nor I asked him for such books. We never express=
ed interest in doing homam or
learning homam. He himself got the inspirati=
on. There was a book on different
styles of homam for Ganesha and another =
book (by Ramakrishna Mutt, Chennai!) on
the procedures for various types o=
f homam. Manish and I were gifted one copy
each. I perused those books to =
devise the short method described in the
manuals.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
*
* =
; *</FONT></DIV>
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Interestingly, how we met that prie=
st and how this
shata Chandi homam was arranged is based on interesting co=
incidences. The son of
the guru of a local priest was visiting greater Bos=
ton temporarily. He was a
famous sivacharya (a special group of priests) f=
rom Chennai and the head priest
of Kaalikambal temple in Chennai. We merel=
y went to take his blessings on a
Thursday night. We chatted a little with=
him and then my wife asked him "what
are you doing on this Saturday". He =
immediately said with affection "we are
doing on Saturday whatever Mrs Pad=
maja (my wife's name) tells us to do". Please
note that we met for the fir=
st time in this life and did not know each other at
all. My wife said "wel=
l, we perform a Satya Narayana vratam on every Pournima
night. You are mos=
t welcome to attend." He said "we are coming". Then he called
up a few guy=
s in Canada and told them to cancel some events in Canada. We learnt
later=
that he was supposed to spend that weekend in Canada. Instead, he decided =
to stay back and come to our house.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>He came to our=
house on Saturday evening (Pournima)
with two other senior priests. They =
stayed till the end of Satya Narayana vratam
(almost midnight) and enjoyed=
it. As soon as he entered our house, he declared
"I must do a Chandi homa=
m at your house. The mother wants me to do a homam here.
But I have one co=
ndition. I and other priests who come with me will not take
even a cent. Y=
ou buy the materials needed, but give no money." Even though we
were not e=
xcited about the condition, we said ok.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>During the =
navaratris of 2005, a few days after a
solar eclipse on my lagna (when Sun=
, Moon, Mercury and Ketu were in Kanya - my
lagna and 8th house from Moon)=
, he came with 3 other priests and did a Chandi
homam in really grand styl=
e. It was an amazing experience. It was actually the
first time in my life=
that I heard Chandipath. I had never heard it before.
Interestingly, I ha=
d my own biases. In the morning, I actually prayed to
Mahalakshmi (my isht=
a devata), "O Mother, these priests want to do Chandi homam
at my house an=
d I consented. I don't know who Chandi is. Whichever deity they
call, I wi=
ll be thinking of you only. You please come and bless us." It was
partly i=
nnocent and partly foolish.</FONT></DIV>
nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This was my first expos=
ure to Chandipath and the
first Chandi homam at my house. To think that I =
have now done more than 320
Chandi homas at my house..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
=3D2>*
* =
*</FONT></DIV>
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Manish was concerned about the=
continued troubles
faced by the Sankaracharya of Kanchi (the state govern=
ment filed some cases
against him) and he decided that we had to perform a=
Shata Chandi homam for his
relief. He was not sure when and where it shou=
ld happen.</FONT></DIV>
>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>After the Chandi homam at our house, we =
became
close to that priest and kept meeting him regularly (until he left =
Boston). When
I mentioned Manish's wish to him, he said "Sir, we will do t=
he Shata Chandi
homam he wanted at our temple. I will arrange everything. =
You and Manish Pandit
just come and sit for the event. We will take the sa=
nkalpa you want. I will do
everything."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Finally, t=
he shata Chandi homam was conducted March
1-7, 2006. Interestingly, on the=
64th day from the poornahuti of that homam, the
ruling government of that=
state was defeated in elections and a new government
came.</FONT></DIV>
<=
size=3D2>Manish put it this way later "Narasimha, who are we
to help a gr=
eat saint like Sankaracharya? We are not capable of helping him. We
are re=
ally of no use. The idea was not that we would help him. The idea is that
=
we would help *ourselves* because of the positive intention to help
Sanaka=
racharya! It is all Her play. See, the Mother gave the thought of helping
=
him and brought us to Chennai. Then she appeared and instructed to spread h=
omam.
Now so many people are doing homam and benefiting. In future, many m=
any more
will do. All this is happening because of a positive intention to=
help
Sanakaracharya."</FONT></DIV>
;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Though the dates for shata =
Chandi homam were picked
almost arbitrarily, there was one interesting coi=
ncidence. The day on which the
ritual was started (2006 March 1) was actua=
lly the lunar birthday (tithi
pravesha) of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. In fac=
t, the time when we took sankalpam
formally and kicked off the 7-day-long =
ritual (in the morning of March 1) was
interestingly within a couple of mi=
nutes from the *exact* Tithi Pravesha time
(time at which the same fractio=
n of same tithi is left as at birth) of
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. This was =
not planned and was a mere coincidence. In
fact, I noticed it after the fa=
ct!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>=
<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Some forces beyond the scope of the thinking of=
my
mind are behind the homam movement that is slowly picking up. I am for=
tunate to
be picked as an instrument in this spiritual movement.</FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
Arial size=3D2>*
* &n=
bsp; *</FONT></DIV>
2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Actually, I do not h=
onestly consider the goddess
and Sarada Mata (and, for that matter, my gur=
u) to be really different. But that
is a different thing.</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
ize=3D2>Best
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=3Dtop>Dear Narsimhaji, You mentioned the appearance of mother
bef=
ore you. Can you kindly clarify which mother? you mean Sharda devi
=
(Thakurain Ma) or Goddess Durga ? Kindly answer this immediately as I am
=
excited to know this trutth about homa.<BR><BR><FONT
face=
=3D"comic sans ms" color=3D#212143><STRONG>Dr.Ashwin
Rawal</STRONG=
></FONT><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 2/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R.
Rao <I>&l=
t;<A
href=3D"mailto:pvr@...">pvr@...</A>></I></=
B> wrote:<BR>
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imha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...><BR>Subject:
[vedic-wisdo=
m] Right deity and sadhana (Re: Yogananda)<BR>To:
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ay, 2 October, 2008, 4:21
AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv5176=
1517>
<P>Namaste,<BR><BR>Choosing =
the right deity for sadhana is important.
If you do not know the=
<BR>right deity, just doing some sadhana is
definitely better t=
han waiting. Pick <BR>whatever deity seems natural
to you and do=
sadhana.<BR><BR>Please remember that sadhana for
spiritual prog=
ress is different from <BR>sadhana for specific material
benefit=
s. No matter which deity you worship, <BR>sadhana performed for
=
spiritual progress never goes waste. However, <BR>sometimes it may be
=
necessary to experience the results of some bad karmas <BR>before som=
e
good things happen. Imagine all your karmas lying in a pile in=
a
<BR>basket. Suppose some of the really good karmas that will =
enable
you to do <BR>serious sadhana and experience great things=
lie at the
bottom or middle of <BR>the pile. When you start sad=
hana, suppose god
decides to give you the fruits <BR>of those au=
spicious karmas. Imagine
him reaching into the pile and <BR>retr=
ieving those karmas. In the
process, some other karmas may spill=
over <BR>and give their fruits.
Some of those may be undesirabl=
e. So what? They had <BR>to be
experienced sometime or the other=
, anyway!<BR><BR>A serious sadhaka
should never be disheartened =
by a few seemingly <BR>undesirable
results after starting a spir=
itual sadhana. Just keep
going.<BR><BR>One gentleman I know rece=
ived mantra for Kaali from a
very good <BR>priest-cum-yogi in la=
te 2005. After he did the mantra
for a few days, he was <BR>laid=
off and lost his job. He was not
perturbed. He continued his sa=
dhana <BR>and used the break to go on an
extended trip to India =
and make a pilgrimage <BR>to some nice places.
He participated i=
n the Shata Chandi homam we conducted <BR>at the
Kaalikambal tem=
ple in Chennai in March 2006. He met my guru and got
<BR>the opp=
ortunity to be his room mate for a week when we stayed at
the ho=
use <BR>of a priest during the homam. He could observe and
inter=
act with my guru <BR>very closely. Most importantly, when my guru
=
had a vision of the Mother on <BR>2006 March 3 afternoon, in which She
=
told him to start the work on spreading <BR>homam in the world, th=
is
gentleman was present there. Though he could not <BR>see the =
Mother,
he actually smelled something out of the world and was <=
BR>baffled. He
knew something was going on, but did not know wha=
t. The temple <BR>was
closed at the time and my guru and this ge=
ntlemen were the only people
<BR>on the premises when the Mother=
appeared. Even though he could not
see the <BR>Mother, it was m=
ost fortunate of him to be present there
at *that* crucial <BR>m=
oment. That is enough to mould the rest of his
life.<BR><BR>You =
never know how, when and where the grace of god falls
on you. <B=
R>Calculations and logic are useless when it comes to the
grace =
of god. Just <BR>surrender and keep doing whatever sadhana you
p=
icked. If it needs <BR>fine-tuning, somebody will appear to tell you
=
that. Any bad things that <BR>happen when doing a spiritual sadhana
=
should be viewed as nature settling <BR>some debts so that you are=
prepared to receive the fruits of some really <BR>auspicious

=
karmas.<BR><BR>As Shirdi Sai Baba says, you should have "sraddha a=
nd
saburi". Have devotion <BR>and patience. There is no limit to=
what you
can get then.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>---=
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>Do a Short
Homam Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologe=
r.org/homam"
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst =
rologer.org/
homam</A><BR>Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <A
=
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana" target=3D_blank
=
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/
tarpana</A><=
BR>Spirituality: <A
wisdom" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://groups. yahoo.com/=
group/vedic- wisdom</A><BR>Free
Jyotish lessons (MP3): <A href=
=3D"http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net"
target=3D_blank rel=3Dno=
follow>http://vedicastro. home.comcast.
net</A><BR>Free Jyotish =
software (Windows): <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org" t=
arget=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org</A=
><BR>Sri Jagannath
Centre (SJC) website: <A href=3D"http://www.S=
riJagannath.org"
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.SriJa=
gan
nath.org</A><BR>------------ --------- --------- --------- -=
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--------- - <BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>&g=
t; Namaste
Sir<BR>> what you said makes a lot sense and it wa=
s
marvellous<BR>> but i have some small doubts<BR>><BR>>=
;
Leaving astrology aside and those who do not have a guru<BR>&g=
t; how
can they chooose a particular form of GOD<BR>> bcoz in=
second part
of AGHORA, Vimalanda, said choosing right deity<BR>=
> is very
important, as the analogy he gave of a person<BR>&g=
t; who is greedy
and worships LAKSHMI , may increase his greed<B=
R>><BR>> One
thing more<BR>> we have so many deities th=
at on diwali i would like
to worship<BR>> Lakshmi and Kali<BR=
>> in navaratri (nowadays) we
would worship Durga<BR>> on =
janmashtami we would fast for
KRISHNA<BR>> an on MAHASHIVARAT=
RI for SHIVA<BR>> like
this<BR>> with hte change in festiv=
al the deity
changes<BR>><BR>> though everybody knows GOD =
is ONE but it
becomes difficult to get<BR>> out of this<BR>&g=
t; mould and if i
didnt worship her may be that GOD/GODDESS may =
become<BR>>
angry<BR>><BR>> I Know,this is my foolishne=
ss but stiil this
thing hangs in the mind<BR>><BR>> One th=
ing more<BR>><BR>>
Suppose if i choose a deity and somethi=
ng wrong happens<BR>>
(materiallistically )<BR>><BR>> w=
hat should i consider that my
deity was helping me to clear my<B=
R>> DEBTS/WRONG DEEDS<BR>> or
the NATURE was telling me to=
change the DEITY as I am not fit<BR>>
for that DEITY<BR>>=
<BR>> and sometimes you feel<BR>> o what
am i doing does t=
his really works<BR>><BR>> and one thing
more<BR>><BR>&=
gt; what if we go on doing our pooja and
someday<BR>> somethi=
ng like what happened to Pt. GOPI KRISHNA
JI<BR>> happens to =
us also<BR>> though he says in his book that
he read a lot ab=
out yoga<BR>> and stuff like this<BR>><BR>>
At any stag=
e i do not want you people to get offended<BR>> but
these are=
my doubts which are there in my mind<BR>><BR>> i will
not=
say much now bcoz in<BR>> Swami Sivananda's KUNDALINI YOGA on
=
the last page he says<BR>><BR>> "the shastras are endless and
=
there is so much to be known<BR>> turn the gaze. draw the
=
indriyas.still the mind.then<BR>> dive deep into the divine source
=
and realise the infinite bliss"<BR>><BR>> ************ *****=
****
********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ***<BR>&g=
t;
*<BR>> i ll give one small personal example here<BR>><B=
R>>
around 26 or 27 dec.2007 i started chanting 2 mantras (on=
e kar
mala<BR>> each)<BR>> in morning and evening<BR>> =
and on 9
january 2008 my parents met an accident<BR>> though =
my father
suffered small injuries my mother suffred fracture<BR>=
> in shoulder
and Leg<BR>><BR>> and she is still underg=
oing treatment and will
have to<BR>> undergo one more operati=
on in this
month<BR>><BR>> and in February and March i got=
placement
in<BR>> 2 companies (i m doing MCA in india) where=
most of my
friends have<BR>> not<BR>> even got one and le=
t me tell you i m
not very intelligent<BR>><BR>> so someti=
mes even now i consider
whether my choosen deity is correct<BR>&=
gt; or not<BR>><BR>> so
everyday in the end of my pooja wh=
at i ask GOD is<BR>> to help me
find the right path<BR>> *=
*********** ********* ********* *********
********* ********* **=
******* ***<BR>> **<BR>><BR>>
regards<BR>> jitender<=
BR>><BR>> --- In <A
href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogro=
ups.com" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroup=
s. com</A>, "Narasimha P.V.R.
Rao"<BR>> <pvr@...> wrote=
:<BR>>><BR>>>
Namaste,<BR>>><BR>>> > =
Makes you wonder about the
Divine connection between all these<B=
R>>> > supremely
elevated souls!<BR>>><BR>>>=
; Earlier, I was exerting
discretion in sharing personal account=
s,<BR>> but She
has<BR>>> been making me drop guard of =
late, for whatever
reason. I will<BR>> continue in<BR>>>=
; the same vein for a
little more time.<BR>>><BR>>> =
I had a dream a couple of
years ago early in the morning. In the=
<BR>> dream,<BR>>>
there was a big ritual fire. My guru=
Manish Pandit and I were<BR>>
sitting in<BR>>> front o=
f the fire. He was teaching me some
pranayama techniques in<BR>&=
gt; the<BR>>> dream. Suddenly, he
changed into somebody el=
se that I could not<BR>>
recognize.<BR>>> It was not an=
ybody I had seen
before.<BR>>><BR>>> I mentioned thi=
s dream to my guru
after a couple of weeks. First<BR>> he sai=
d he<BR>>> did not
know who the other person was and said =
he would've<BR>> probably
known if<BR>>> I had mentione=
d the dream soon after it had
happened. I left it<BR>> there.=
<BR>>> However, when we talked
in the next weekend, he ref=
erred to my<BR>> dream and<BR>>>
said he had an idea wh=
o it was. He gave me a name and asked me
to<BR>> search on<BR=
>>> the internet for his photo and see if
he was the perso=
n I saw in<BR>> my dream.<BR>>> It was a guru
from the =
lineage of Paramahamsa Yogananda (before<BR>> him).
Though<BR=
>>> he is apparently well-known, I was not
knowledegable a=
bout this<BR>> lineage and<BR>>> did not see
his pictur=
e before. I searched on the internet and<BR>> found
a<BR>>=
> photo. Interestingly, the photo was very close to the
perso=
n I saw<BR>> in my<BR>>> dream. The person that Manish
=
transformed into in my dream looked<BR>> like a<BR>>>
s=
lightly younger version of that photo.<BR>>><BR>>> When I
=
confirmed this to Manish, he only smiled and<BR>> said, "Narasimha=
,
there<BR>>> are so many links between various lineages. =
Leave it
for now."<BR>>><BR>>> Of course, I do not k=
now much about
kriya yoga or about the<BR>> lineage of<BR>>=
;> Paramahamsa
Yogananda. Our lineage of this life starts fro=
m<BR>> Dattatreya.
We<BR>>> have a special attachment t=
o Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
and his<BR>> lineage and got<BR>>=
;> a lot of our knowledge,
inspiration and perhaps experience=
from<BR>> them. We
do<BR>>> not have any direct link t=
o the lineage of Paramahamsa
Yogananda.<BR>> But,<BR>>>=
Manish thought there were some
other indirect links. Moreover, =
he<BR>> guessed<BR>>> who I
saw, even though I myself h=
ad no idea who I saw, and he<BR>>
guessed<BR>>> correct=
ly. That should count for
something!<BR>>><BR>>> I w=
ill not be surprised if there
are indeed subtle connections<BR>&=
gt; between<BR>>> several
lineages that seem disjoint toda=
y.<BR>>><BR>>> By the way,
Swami Vivekananda also ap=
peared in the prison cell of<BR>>
Sri<BR>>> Aurobindo (=
who wrote brilliant commentaries on Veda
and Upanishad)<BR>> =
and<BR>>> imparted him some Adwaita
knowledge to Sri Aurob=
indo.<BR>>><BR>>> * *
*<BR>>><BR>>> An i=
nteresting coincidence is that a swamiji
from Puri contacted<BR>=
> me within a<BR>>> few days after I
saw that photo. Hi=
s guru and Paramahamsa<BR>> Yogananda
were<BR>>> co-dis=
ciples of the same guru (Yukteshwar Maharaj).
He is the<BR>> =
keeper of<BR>>> some astrological knowledge
that his guru =
received from Yukteshwar<BR>> Maharaj.<BR>>> He
visited=
me after a month, discussed that knowledge and spent a<BR>>
=
day at my<BR>>> house. Thus, some small connection was made with
=
a representative<BR>> of that<BR>>> lineage soon after the =
dream. After all, some karmik debts may<BR>> have been<BR>>=
;>
there...<BR>>><BR>>> * * *<BR>>><BR>>=
> I want
to make one thing clear.<BR>>><BR>>> Som=
e things I mention
like this may give the impression that my<BR>=
> guru has<BR>>>
some psychic abilities or siddhis. Tha=
t may indeed be true. But
he<BR>> always<BR>>> downplay=
s those things and attaches no
importance whatsoever. He<BR>>=
says,<BR>>> "Narasimha, I am a
useless person and lower t=
han dirt and capable<BR>> of<BR>>>
nothing. It is all H=
er power. She is the connection between
every<BR>> entity in<=
BR>>> this universe. She may choose an
idiot like me as an=
instrument<BR>> sometimes<BR>>> and do
something using=
me. I have no special abilities of any<BR>> kind.
Any<BR>>=
;> coincidences you find are just Her grace and not due
to me=
."<BR>>><BR>>> I realized in time that this
simplici=
ty, humility and lack of ego<BR>> is not<BR>>> fake.
I =
also realized that this lack of ego is what enabled him to<BR>>
=
do things<BR>>> that sound impossible or difficult. In fact, I
=
realized that many<BR>> great<BR>>> saints in the past wer=
e
like this. Several magical things happened<BR>> through<BR>=
>>
them, but they did not find any pride in them and retai=
ned
their<BR>> humility<BR>>> and sense of surrender to=
their
chosen form of god and believed<BR>> that god<BR>>&=
gt; was the
doer of all things and they were mere
ins=
truments.<BR>>><BR>>> The day you also start believing
=
that, not for the sake of<BR>> lecturing or<BR>>> posturing,
=
but from the deep cores of your heart, your sadhana<BR>> will
=
bear<BR>>> fruit.<BR>>><BR>>> Best
r=
egards,<BR>>> Narasimha<BR>>> ------------ ---------
=
--------- --------- --------- --------- -<BR>>> Do a Short Homam
=
Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam" target=
=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam<=
/A><BR>>> Do
href=
=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana" target=3D_blank
rel=
=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana</A><BR>>>
=
Spirituality: <A href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom"
=
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ve=
dic-
wisdom</A><BR>>> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <A
=
href=3D"http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net" target=3D_blank
=
rel=3Dnofollow>http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net</A><BR>>> Free =
Jyotish software (Windows): <A href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologe=

r.org"
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst
=
rologer.org</A><BR>>> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <A
=
href=3D"http://www.SriJagannath.org" target=3D_blank
rel=
=3Dnofollow>http://www.SriJagan nath.org</A><BR>>> ------------
=
--------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
<BR>&g=
t;><BR>>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>>
Fro=
m: "Dinesh Nambisan" <dinesh@...><BR>>> To: <<A
h=
ref=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank
re=
l=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>><BR>>> Sent:
=
Monday, September 29, 2008 5:54 PM<BR>>> Subject: [vedic-wisdom=
]
Yogananda (Re: Dharma)<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> ---=
In <A
href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_=
blank
rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>, "Narasi=
mha P.V.R.
Rao" <pvr@><BR>>> wrote:<BR>>> >=
<BR>>> >
Dear Lakshmi,<BR>>> ><BR>>> >=
; The Yogananda I
mentioned is different. Swami Yogananda is one=
of<BR>>> the
sixteen monastic disciples of Ramakrishna Pa=
ramahamsa, along<BR>>
with<BR>>> Swami Vivekananda. He =
was forced to marry, but never
slept with his<BR>>> own wi=
fe. Swami Vivekananda once said "if
any of us (disciples of<BR>&=
gt;> Ramakrishna) conquered lust
completely and in all respec=
ts, it is<BR>>> Joginder (Swami
Yogananda)". There is no q=
uestion of Swami<BR>>
Yogananda<BR>>> being accused of =
drinking and having women
etc.<BR>>> ><BR>>> >=
Paramahamsa Yogananda is a
sishya of Yukteshwar Maharaj and fro=
m<BR>> the<BR>>> lineage
of Mahavatar Babaji. They prac=
tice kriya yoga. I do not<BR>>
know<BR>>> much about
=
him.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> For what it i=
s
worth, you can read more about Paramahamsa<BR>> Yogananda
=
in<BR>>> his free+online autobiography,<BR>>> here <A=
href=3D"http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi" =
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/

=
Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi</A><BR>>><BR>>> There were
=
interesting links between Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and<BR>>>=
Paramahamsa Yogananda:-<BR>>> For example, one of the top=
disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa<BR>> was<BR>>>

=
Mahendranath Gupta (not sure if he was one of the 16
mo=
nastic<BR>>> disciples that Narasimhaji refers to) aka Master
=
Mahasaya, who<BR>> wrote<BR>>> "The Gospel of
Ramak=
rishna"<BR>>> (<A
href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mah=
endranath_Gupta" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://en.wikipe=
dia .org/wiki/ Mahendranath_ Gupta</A>),
and was the<BR>>>=
sanskrit tutor to Paramahamsa Yogananda as
well; the latter<BR>=
> devoted an<BR>>> entire chapter to him
in his<BR>>=
> book :<BR>> <A
href=3D"http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Aut=
obiography_of_a_Yogi/Chapter_9"
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>h=
ttp://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/
Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi/ Chapter=
_9</A><BR>>><BR>>>
Elsewhere in his autobiography Pa=
ramhamsa Yogananda also
mentions<BR>> an<BR>>> anecdote=
of a disciple to whom he
gifted a silver cup, who as a<BR>> =
young<BR>>> man was told
by Swami Vivekandana that the Gur=
u in his life would<BR>>>
present him with a silver cup in=
the future.<BR>>> <A
href=3D"http://en.wikisource.org/wik=
i/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi/Chapter_47"
llow>http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/
Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi/ C=
hapter_47</A><BR>>><BR>>> Makes
you wonder about the=
Divine connection between all these<BR>>>
supremely eleva=
ted souls!<BR>>><BR>>>
Best.<BR><BR></P></DIV></DIV>=
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Dear Mitesh,
Ranchod dasji mahaaj and Babaji are two different entities.=A0=
I have met Ranchhod dasji maharaj.=A0 But Babaji described in Yogananda's =
book and person described in the book you are refering are not the same.=A0=
Babaji is also known as Mahavtar Babaji.=A0 Guru of Swami Ram of Hrdware =

was known as Bengali Baba.=A0 A well known saint.
Leanage describe here is =
of Kriya Yoga.=A0 Mahvtar Babaji gave diksha to Lahiri mahashay.=A0 Shri Yu=
kteshwar giri is disiple of Lahiri Mahashay.=A0 Yoga nanada is shisya of Yu=
kteshwar giri.
Dilip
--- On Fri, 10/3/08, m540i98 <m540i98@...> wrot=

e:
From: m540i98 <m540i98@...>

Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Paramhans=
Yogananda's Lineage
Date: Friday, October=
3, 2008, 8:05 PM
Dear Karthi
The books that I have mentioned are as =
follows:
Shri Gurudev ki sannidhi me

By Kumari Kumudini Paramanand Panjwan=
i
She has covered in the books from 1950 to 1973 over the six volumes
In v=
olume 1 he himself indicates the lineage.
I have read vol 1 to vol 6, it a=
ppears they started publishing in
1980s.
In Vol 3 on page 239 he discusse=

s about Lahiri Mahashaya.
He also indicated there that all the story descri=
bed in Paramhans
Yogananda's book about the surrondings at the time of Lah=
iri
Mahashaya's initiation are not true. He also has indicated that he
ne=
ver physically met Yogananda, always they met in Samadhi state.
These are =
very good books with lots of knowledge and practical things
with good scie=
ntific explanation of many aspects of vedas, yoga, etc.
One can get this b=

ooks at following places
1) Shri Sadguru Sadan Trust Ashram

Kuvadvaa Road =
Rajkot, Gujarat, India 360003
Mafatlal hou=
se
Back bay reclamation
Bombay 400020
3) Shri Ramdham Trust
Phuskar, Rajast=
han
Janki Kund
Chitrakut, UP, India 210204=
Over and above this there are other books too like "Sudha
Sarita", "Man=
av Drasti" etc.
Hope this clarifies your query
Best Regards
Mitesh
--- In=
vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, sivasankara narayanan
<seshasiva@. ..> wr=
ote:
>
> Hi Mitesh,
> =A0
> Would you please share the source of the inform=
ation that you have
provided?. thank you
> =A0
> Regards
> Karthi
>
> ---=
On Sat, 10/4/08, m540i98 <m540i98@... > wrote:
>
> From: m540i98 <m540i98=
@... >
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Paramhans Yogananda's Lineage
> To: vedic-=
wisdom@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 2:26 AM
>
>
>=
>
>
>
> Namaste
>
> Recently I saw some postings and thought I would =
share some
> information about Paramhans Yogananda's lineage.
>
> Many al=
ready know that Swamiji's ( Paramahans Yogaanda) was a
direct
> disciple =
of Shri Yukteshwar Maharaj a disciple of Shri Lahiri
> Mahashaya.
>
> As =
per his book Lahiri Mahashaya was a disciple of Babaji.
> Babaji lived in I=
ndia in physical body till 1973. He took
> Maha samadhi in Bombay and his S=
amadhi is located in Phuskar
> Rajasthan.
>
> Babaji is also know as Ranc=
hod Dasji Maharaj, Paramhans of
Chirtakut
> and some more names too. He w=
as a Maharatrian Deshasth brahmin by
> birth and was born in Gwailor distr=
ict in MP.
>
> Ranchod Dasji Maharaj name was given to him by his disciple=
s in
> Gujarat.
>
> He may have lived for 700 plus years.
>
> He ran awa=
y from home at a very tender age and was taken up a
> disciple by Bala Kri=
shna Dasji also known as Paihari Baba.
> Paihari baba was also very releaiz=
ed, he only drank milk and so the
> name. Paihari Baba was Gujarati by bir=
th but spoke in Hindi.
>
> Paihari Baba lived in Kulu for a long time, tha=
n in Pushkar, he was
> in Pushkar when the temple of Srinathji was moved f=
rom Mathura to
> Rajasthan. At that time he did a lot of seva of lord Kris=
hna in
> Pushkar.
> After that he lived in Galtaji near jaipur in Rajasth=
an.
> Babaji also lived in Galtaji for about 12 years and he had the
visi=
on
> of Lord Rama in the same cave, that exists today too.
>
> It is loca=
ted a few miles from Jaipur, there are a few temples
there
> near the cav=
e. I have visited this cave too.
>
> From Galtaji Paihari Baba moved to Re=
vasa and than to Kashmir where
> he lived in a place called "Rasayani Gufa=
".
>
> Paihari Baba also may have lived for 500 plus years too.
>
> While=
at Galtaji, the Famous Tulsidas maharaj had visited Paihari
> Baba and gi=
ve a hand written manuscipt of Ramayana.
>
> They belong to the Ramanandi =
Sampradaya who has Lord Ram and
Goddess
> Sita devi as ishta devata. Rama=
nandi Sampardaya came as an offshot
of
>
> Babaji=
or Ranchod Dasji Maharaj lived for many years in Bengal,
> Chitrakot and =
Also visited Gujarat. He also stayed in Kashmir.
> One of the kings of Kash=
mir was a devout disciple of Paihari Baba.
>
> Both Babaji and Paihari Bab=
a were adept in "kaya kalpa" and they
also
> had strong connection with s=
aints located in Tibet.
>
> Paihari Baba used to remain in samadhi at a st=
retch for 2 to 3
years.
> Paihari Baba as a young brahamchari served also =
Swami Ramananda in
> Kashi.
>
> Ranchoddasji Maharaj has samadhi in Pushk=
ar, A trust in Rajkot,
> Gujarat and also in Chitakut too. At these places=
they do
charitable
> activities.
>
> Ranchoddasji Maharaj had many disc=
iples but he never made anybody
his
> sucessor.
>
> A lot of books have =
been written by one or two lady disciples of
> Ranchoddasji Maharaj and al=
l this information written here is
coming
> from those books. these books=
are avialable in his ashrams. They
are
> written in Gujarati and Hindi D=
ialect.
>
> These books describe Ranchoddasji Maharaj's teachings, his vie=
w on
> many things, his short speeches and kind of like biography.
>
> Th=
ese are very good books, they describe many aspects of
spirtuality
> in s=
imple laymans language.
>
> Babaji indicated that Lahiri Mahashaya was his=
disciple for 5 births
> and in this birth with kriya yoga he cleared all h=
is impressions
and
> was given authority to guide people and initiate in =
kriya yoga
after
> relalizing his true nature. Like him he had another di=
sciple in
> Bengal too known as "Din bandhu" but I do not have any informa=
tion
on
> him.
>
>=
> He also indicated that many advanced saints from the Nath
Sampradaya
=
> also took birth and followed the ramanandi sampradaya to experiance
> mo=
re bliss.
>
> My intent here is to share information and not start any
> =
controversies.
>
> If anyone needs the names of these books and also the a=
ddress of
> ashrams, I am very happy to provide that too.
>
> If there is=
interest in more information than I shall try to write
> more about the l=
ineage and the prominent saints of the lineage too.
>
> I also have many p=
ictures of Ranchoddasji Maharaj, but am not sure
> how to load them up for=
you all to see.
>
> Happy Navratri
>
> Best Regards
> Mitesh
>
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style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Dear Mitesh,</DIV>
<DIV>Ranchod dasji mahaaj and Babaji are two different entities. I have met
Ranchhod dasji maharaj. But Babaji described in Yogananda's book and person
described in the book you are refering are not the same. </DIV>
<DIV>Babaji is also known as Mahavtar Babaji. Guru of Swami Ram of Hrdware was
known as Bengali Baba. A well known saint.</DIV>
<DIV>Leanage describe here is of Kriya Yoga. Mahvtar Babaji gave diksha to Lahiri
mahashay. Shri Yukteshwar giri is disiple of Lahiri Mahashay. Yoga nanada is
shisya of Yukteshwar giri.</DIV>
<DIV>Dilip<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 10/3/08, m540i98 <I><m540i98@...></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
2px solid">From: m540i98 <m540i98@...><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Paramhans
Yogananda's Lineage<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Friday, October 3,
2008, 8:05 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv421846920>
<DIV id=ygrp-text>
<DIV>Dear Karthi<BR>The books that I have mentioned are as follows:<BR><BR>Shri
Gurudev ki sannidhi me<BR>By Kumari Kumudini Paramanand Panjwani<BR><BR>She has
covered in the books from 1950 to 1973 over the six volumes<BR>In volume 1 he
himself indicates the lineage. <BR>I have read vol 1 to vol 6, it appears they
started publishing in <BR>1980s.<BR><BR>In Vol 3 on page 239 he discusses about
Lahiri Mahashaya.<BR>He also indicated there that all the story described in
Paramhans <BR>Yogananda's book about the surrondings at the time of Lahiri
<BR>Mahashaya's initiation are not true. He also has indicated that he <BR>never
physically met Yogananda, always they met in Samadhi state.<BR><BR>These are very
good books with lots of knowledge and practical things <BR>with good scientific
explanation of many aspects of vedas, yoga, etc.<BR><BR>One can get this books at
following places<BR><BR>1) Shri Sadguru Sadan Trust Ashram<BR>Kuvadvaa Road Rajkot,
Gujarat,
India 360003<BR>2) Shri Sadguru Seva Sangh Trust<BR>Mafatlal house<BR>Back bay
reclamation<BR>Bombay 400020<BR>3) Shri Ramdham Trust<BR>Phuskar, Rajasthan<BR>4)
Shri Sadguru Seva Sangh Trust<BR>Janki Kund<BR>Chitrakut, UP, India 210204
<BR><BR>Over and above this there are other books too like "Sudha <BR>Sarita",
"Manav Drasti" etc.<BR><BR>Hope this clarifies your query<BR><BR>Best
Regards<BR>Mitesh<BR>--- In <A href="mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>, sivasankara
narayanan <BR><seshasiva@. ..> wrote:<BR>><BR>> Hi Mitesh,<BR>> <BR>> Would you
please share the source of the information that you have <BR>provided?. thank
you<BR>> <BR>> Regards<BR>> Karthi<BR>> <BR>> --- On Sat, 10/4/08, m540i98
<m540i98@... > wrote:<BR>> <BR>> From: m540i98 <m540i98@... ><BR>> Subject: [vedic-
wisdom] Paramhans Yogananda's Lineage<BR>> To:
<A href="mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>vedic-
wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A><BR>> Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 2:26 AM<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Namaste<BR>> <BR>> Recently I saw some postings
and thought I would share some <BR>> information about Paramhans Yogananda's
lineage.<BR>> <BR>> Many already know that Swamiji's ( Paramahans Yogaanda) was a
<BR>direct <BR>> disciple of Shri Yukteshwar Maharaj a disciple of Shri Lahiri
<BR>> Mahashaya.<BR>> <BR>> As per his book Lahiri Mahashaya was a disciple of
Babaji.<BR>> Babaji lived in India in physical body till 1973. He took<BR>> Maha
samadhi in Bombay and his Samadhi is located in Phuskar <BR>> Rajasthan.<BR>> <BR>>
Babaji is also know as Ranchod Dasji Maharaj, Paramhans of <BR>Chirtakut <BR>> and
some more names too. He was a Maharatrian Deshasth brahmin by <BR>> birth and was
born in Gwailor district in MP.<BR>> <BR>> Ranchod Dasji Maharaj name was given to
him by his disciples in <BR>> Gujarat.<BR>> <BR>> He may have lived for 700 plus
years.<BR>> <BR>> He ran away from home at a very tender age and was taken up a
<BR>> disciple by Bala Krishna Dasji also known as Paihari Baba.<BR>> Paihari baba
was also very releaized, he only drank milk and so the <BR>> name. Paihari Baba was
Gujarati by birth but spoke in Hindi.<BR>> <BR>> Paihari Baba lived in Kulu for a
long time, than in Pushkar, he was <BR>> in Pushkar when the temple of Srinathji
was moved from Mathura to <BR>> Rajasthan. At that time he did a lot of seva of
lord Krishna in <BR>> Pushkar. <BR>> After that he lived in Galtaji near jaipur in
Rajasthan. <BR>> Babaji also lived in Galtaji for about 12 years and he had the
<BR>vision <BR>> of Lord Rama in the same cave, that exists today too.<BR>> <BR>>
It is
located a few miles from Jaipur, there are a few temples <BR>there <BR>> near the
cave. I have visited this cave too.<BR>> <BR>> From Galtaji Paihari Baba moved to
Revasa and than to Kashmir where <BR>> he lived in a place called "Rasayani
Gufa".<BR>> <BR>> Paihari Baba also may have lived for 500 plus years too.<BR>>
<BR>> While at Galtaji, the Famous Tulsidas maharaj had visited Paihari <BR>> Baba
and give a hand written manuscipt of Ramayana.<BR>> <BR>> They belong to the
Ramanandi Sampradaya who has Lord Ram and <BR>Goddess <BR>> Sita devi as ishta
devata. Ramanandi Sampardaya came as an offshot <BR>of <BR>> Ramanuja
Sampradaya.<BR>> <BR>> Babaji or Ranchod Dasji Maharaj lived for many years in
Bengal, <BR>> Chitrakot and Also visited Gujarat. He also stayed in Kashmir.<BR>>
One of the kings of Kashmir was a devout disciple of Paihari Baba.<BR>> <BR>> Both
Babaji and Paihari Baba were adept in
"kaya kalpa" and they <BR>also <BR>> had strong connection with saints located in
Tibet.<BR>> <BR>> Paihari Baba used to remain in samadhi at a stretch for 2 to 3
<BR>years.<BR>> Paihari Baba as a young brahamchari served also Swami Ramananda in
<BR>> Kashi.<BR>> <BR>> Ranchoddasji Maharaj has samadhi in Pushkar, A trust in
Rajkot, <BR>> Gujarat and also in Chitakut too. At these places they do
<BR>charitable <BR>> activities.<BR>> <BR>> Ranchoddasji Maharaj had many disciples
but he never made anybody <BR>his <BR>> sucessor.<BR>> <BR>> A lot of books have
been written by one or two lady disciples of <BR>> Ranchoddasji Maharaj and all
this information written here is <BR>coming <BR>> from those books. these books are
avialable in his ashrams. They <BR>are <BR>> written in Gujarati and Hindi
Dialect.<BR>> <BR>> These books describe Ranchoddasji Maharaj's teachings, his view
on <BR>> many things,
his short speeches and kind of like biography.<BR>> <BR>> These are very good
books, they describe many aspects of <BR>spirtuality <BR>> in simple laymans
language.<BR>> <BR>> Babaji indicated that Lahiri Mahashaya was his disciple for 5
births<BR>> and in this birth with kriya yoga he cleared all his impressions
<BR>and <BR>> was given authority to guide people and initiate in kriya yoga
<BR>after <BR>> relalizing his true nature. Like him he had another disciple in
<BR>> Bengal too known as "Din bandhu" but I do not have any information <BR>on
<BR>> him.<BR>> <BR>> Babaji did meet Shri Yuteshwar Maharaj a few times.<BR>>
<BR>> He also indicated that many advanced saints from the Nath <BR>Sampradaya
<BR>> also took birth and followed the ramanandi sampradaya to experiance <BR>>
more bliss.<BR>> <BR>> My intent here is to share information and not start any
<BR>> controversies.<BR>> <BR>> If
anyone needs the names of these books and also the address of <BR>> ashrams, I am
very happy to provide that too.<BR>> <BR>> If there is interest in more information
than I shall try to write <BR>> more about the lineage and the prominent saints of
the lineage too.<BR>> <BR>> I also have many pictures of Ranchoddasji Maharaj, but
am not sure <BR>> how to load them up for you all to see.<BR>> <BR>> Happy
Navratri<BR>> <BR>> Best Regards<BR>>
Mitesh<BR>><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table>
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Namaste sir
Really there are no words to say about the

play of GOD and th=
ese incidents just make your heart melt away
and really wonderful are sain=

ts like your guru
who have no iota of ego
WONDERFUL
regards
jitender
=
<pvr@...> wrot=
e:
>
> Namaste,
>
> You misunderstood me. The appearance was not "before =
me". It was
before my guru Dr Manish Pandit. The only other person present=
on
the temple premises at that time was the gentleman I mentioned, who
l=
ost his job after starting Kaali mantra and went to India for
pilgrimage. =
I was not there then. Though I was chanting with Manish
on other days, I w=
as sent away on that specific day to visit Kanchi
and Tirunavannamalai (Ra=
mana Maharshi's place).
>
> I understand it was Mahaakaali who gave a dar=
shan and asked Manish
to spread homam as a spiritual sadhana in the world.=
She told him
that she would arrange all the resources needed and asked hi=
m to
just start. She also apparently told him of a sequence of events
tha=
t were to happen.
>
> Interestingly, the head priest of that temple had s=
ome books on
homam gifted to Manish and me on the very next day. Neither M=
anish
nor I asked him for such books. We never expressed interest in doing=
homam or learning homam. He himself got the inspiration. There was a

boo=
k on different styles of homam for Ganesha and another book (by
Ramakrishn=
a Mutt, Chennai!) on the procedures for various types of
homam. Manish and=
I were gifted one copy each. I perused those books
to devise the short me=
thod described in the manuals.
>
> * * *
>
> Interestingl=
y, how we met that priest and how this shata Chandi
homam was arranged is =
based on interesting coincidences. The son of
the guru of a local priest w=
as visiting greater Boston temporarily.
He was a famous sivacharya (a spec=
ial group of priests) from Chennai
and the head priest of Kaalikambal temp=
le in Chennai. We merely went
to take his blessings on a Thursday night. W=
e chatted a little with
him and then my wife asked him "what are you doing=
on this
Saturday". He immediately said with affection "we are doing on
S=
aturday whatever Mrs Padmaja (my wife's name) tells us to do".
Please note=
that we met for the first time in this life and did not
know each other a=
t all. My wife said "well, we perform a Satya
Narayana vratam on every Pou=
rnima night. You are most welcome to
attend." He said "we are coming". The=
n he called up a few guys in
Canada and told them to cancel some events in=
Canada. We learnt
later that he was supposed to spend that weekend in Can=
ada. Instead,
he decided to stay back and come to our house.
>
> He came=
to our house on Saturday evening (Pournima) with two other
senior priests=
. They stayed till the end of Satya Narayana vratam
(almost midnight) and =
enjoyed it. As soon as he entered our house,
he declared "I must do a Chan=
di homam at your house. The mother
wants me to do a homam here. But I have=
one condition. I and other
priests who come with me will not take even a =
cent. You buy the
materials needed, but give no money." Even though we wer=
e not
excited about the condition, we said ok.
>
> During the navaratris=
of 2005, a few days after a solar eclipse on
my lagna (when Sun, Moon, Me=
rcury and Ketu were in Kanya - my lagna
and 8th house from Moon), he came =
with 3 other priests and did a
Chandi homam in really grand style. It was =
an amazing experience. It
was actually the first time in my life that I he=
ard Chandipath. I
had never heard it before. Interestingly, I had my own b=
iases. In
the morning, I actually prayed to Mahalakshmi (my ishta devata),=
"O
Mother, these priests want to do Chandi homam at my house and I
conse=
nted. I don't know who Chandi is. Whichever deity they call, I
will be thi=
nking of you only. You please come and bless us." It was
partly innocent a=
nd partly foolish.
>
> This was my first exposure to Chandipath and the f=
irst Chandi
homam at my house. To think that I have now done more than 320=
Chandi homas at my house..

>
> * * *
>
> Manish was con=
cerned about the continued troubles faced by the
Sankaracharya of Kanchi (=
the state government filed some cases
against him) and he decided that we =
had to perform a Shata Chandi
homam for his relief. He was not sure when a=
nd where it should
happen.
>
> After the Chandi homam at our house, we b=
ecame close to that
priest and kept meeting him regularly (until he left B=
oston). When I
mentioned Manish's wish to him, he said "Sir, we will do th=
e Shata
Chandi homam he wanted at our temple. I will arrange everything. Y=
ou
and Manish Pandit just come and sit for the event. We will take the
sa=
nkalpa you want. I will do everything."
>
> Finally, the shata Chandi hom=
am was conducted March 1-7, 2006.
Interestingly, on the 64th day from the =
poornahuti of that homam,
the ruling government of that state was defeated=
in elections and a
new government came.
>
> Manish put it this way late=
r "Narasimha, who are we to help a
great saint like Sankaracharya? We are =
not capable of helping him.
We are really of no use. The idea was not that=
we would help him.
The idea is that we would help *ourselves* because of =
the positive
intention to help Sanakaracharya! It is all Her play. See, th=
e
Mother gave the thought of helping him and brought us to Chennai.
Then =
she appeared and instructed to spread homam. Now so many people
are doing =
homam and benefiting. In future, many many more will do.
All this is happe=
ning because of a positive intention to help
Sanakaracharya."
>
> Though=
the dates for shata Chandi homam were picked almost
arbitrarily, there wa=
s one interesting coincidence. The day on which
the ritual was started (20=
06 March 1) was actually the lunar
birthday (tithi pravesha) of Ramakrishn=
a Paramahamsa. In fact, the
time when we took sankalpam formally and kicke=
d off the 7-day-long
ritual (in the morning of March 1) was interestingly =
within a couple
of minutes from the *exact* Tithi Pravesha time (time at w=
hich the
same fraction of same tithi is left as at birth) of Ramakrishna
=
Paramahamsa. This was not planned and was a mere coincidence. In
fact, I n=
oticed it after the fact!
>
> Some forces beyond the scope of the thinkin=
g of my mind are behind
the homam movement that is slowly picking up. I am=
fortunate to be
picked as an instrument in this spiritual movement.
>
>=
* * *
>
> Actually, I do not honestly consider the goddess=
and Sarada Mata
(and, for that matter, my guru) to be really different. B=
ut that is
a different thing.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> ----------=
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Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam
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>
> =
> From: Ashwin Rawal
> To: vedic-wisdom@=
yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 7:44 AM
> Subject: =
Re: [vedic-wisdom] Right deity and sadhana (Re:
Yogananda)
>
> De=
ar Narsimhaji, You mentioned the appearance of mother
before you. Can you =
kindly clarify which mother? you mean Sharda
devi (Thakurain Ma) or Goddes=
s Durga ? Kindly answer this
immediately as I am excited to know this trut=
th about homa.
>
> Dr.Ashwin Rawal
>
> --- On Thu, 2/10/0=
8, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrote:
>
> From: Narasimha P.V=
.R. Rao <pvr@...>
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Right deity and sadha=
na (Re:
Yogananda)
> =
> Date: Thursday, 2 October, 200=
8, 4:21 AM
>
>
> Namaste,
>
> Choosing the right dei=
ty for sadhana is important. If
you do not know the
> right dei=
ty, just doing some sadhana is definitely
better than waiting. Pick
> =
>
> P=
lease remember that sadhana for spiritual progress is
different from
> =
sadhana for specific material benefits. No matter which
deity you =
worship,
> sadhana performed for spiritual progress never goes
=
waste. However,
> sometimes it may be necessary to experience th=
e results
of some bad karmas
> before some good things happen. =
Imagine all your karmas
lying in a pile in a
> basket. Suppose =
some of the really good karmas that will
enable you to do
> ser=
ious sadhana and experience great things lie at the
bottom or middle of
>=
the pile. When you start sadhana, suppose god decides to
give y=
ou the fruits
> of those auspicious karmas. Imagine him reaching=
into
the pile and
> retrieving those karmas. In the process, s=
ome other
karmas may spill over
> and give their fruits. Some o=
f those may be undesirable.
So what? They had
> to be experienc=
ed sometime or the other, anyway!
>
> A serious sadhaka should n=
ever be disheartened by a few
seemingly
> undesirable results a=
fter starting a spiritual sadhana.
Just keep going.
>
> One gen=
tleman I know received mantra for Kaali from a
very good
> prie=
st-cum-yogi in late 2005. After he did the mantra
=
> laid off and lost his job. He was not perturbed. He
continued =
his sadhana
> and used the break to go on an extended trip to In=
dia
and make a pilgrimage
> to some nice places. He participate=
d in the Shata Chandi
homam we conducted
> at the Kaalikambal t=
emple in Chennai in March 2006. He
met my guru and got
> the op=
portunity to be his room mate for a week when we
stayed at the house
> =
of a priest during the homam. He could observe and
interact with m=
y guru
> very closely. Most importantly, when my guru had a
vis=
ion of the Mother on
> 2006 March 3 afternoon, in which She told=
him to start
> homam in the world, this =
gentleman was present there.
Though he could not
> see the Moth=
er, he actually smelled something out of the
world and was
> ba=
ffled. He knew something was going on, but did not
know what. The temple
=
> was closed at the time and my guru and this gentlemen
were the=
only people
> on the premises when the Mother appeared. Even th=
ough he
could not see the
> Mother, it was most fortunate of hi=
m to be present there
at *that* crucial
> moment. That is enoug=
h to mould the rest of his life.
>
> You never know how, when an=
d where the grace of god
falls on you.
> Calculations and logic=
are useless when it comes to the
grace of god. Just
> surrende=
r and keep doing whatever sadhana you picked. If
it needs
> fin=
e-tuning, somebody will appear to tell you that. Any
bad things that
> =
happen when doing a spiritual sadhana should be viewed
as nature s=
ettling
> some debts so that you are prepared to receive the
fr=
uits of some really
> auspicious karmas.
>
> As Shird=
i Sai Baba says, you should have "sraddha and
saburi". Have devotion
> =
>
> =
Best regards,
> Narasimha
> ------------ --------=
- --------- --------- --------- ----
----- -
> Do a Short Homam Y=
ourself: http://www.VedicAst
rologer.org/ homam
> Do Pitri Tarpa=
nas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst
> Spiritu=
ality: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic-
wisdom
> Free Jyot=
ish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.
home.comcast. net
> Free J=
yotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst
rologer.org
> Sri=
Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan
nath.org
> =
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ----
----- -
>
> =
> > Namaste Sir
> =
> > but i=
have some small doubts
> >
> > Leaving astrology aside=
and those who do not have a
guru
> > how can they chooose a par=
ticular form of GOD
> > bcoz in second part of AGHORA, Vimalanda,=
said
choosing right deity
> > is very important, as the analogy=
he gave of a person
> > who is greedy and worships LAKSHMI , may=
increase his
greed
> >
> > One thing more
> =
> we have so many deities that on diwali i would like to
worship
> =
> Lakshmi and Kali
> > in navaratri (nowadays) we would worsh=
ip Durga
> > on janmashtami we would fast for KRISHNA
> =
> > like this
> > wit=
h hte change in festival the deity changes
> >
> > thou=
gh everybody knows GOD is ONE but it becomes
difficult to get
> =
> out of this
> > mould and if i didnt worship her may be that
G=
OD/GODDESS may become
> > angry
> >
> > I Kno=
w,this is my foolishness but stiil this thing
hangs in the mind
> =
>
> > One thing more
> >
> > Suppose if i c=
> > (materiallistically=
)
> >
> > what should i consider that my deity was hel=
ping me to
clear my
> > DEBTS/WRONG DEEDS
> > or the N=
ATURE was telling me to change the DEITY as I
am not fit
> > for=
that DEITY
> >
> > and sometimes you feel
> =
> >
> > and =
one thing more
> >
> > what if we go on doing our pooja=
and someday
> > something like what happened to Pt. GOPI KRISHNA=
JI
> > happens to us also
> > though he says in his bo=
ok that he read a lot about
yoga
> > and stuff like this
> =
>
> > At any stage i do not want you people to get offended
=
> > but these are my doubts which are there in my mind
> =
>
> > i will not say much now bcoz in
> > Swami Sivan=
anda's KUNDALINI YOGA on the last page he
says
> >
> >=
"the shastras are endless and there is so much to be
known
> > =
turn the gaze. draw the indriyas.still the mind.then
> > dive dee=
p into the divine source and realise the
infinite bliss"
> >
> =
> ************ ********* ********* ********* *********
********* =
********* ***
> > *
> > i ll give one small personal ex=
ample here
> >
> > around 26 or 27 dec.2007 i started c=
hanting 2 mantras
(one kar mala
> > each)
> > in morni=
ng and evening
> > and on 9 january 2008 my parents met an accide=
nt
> > though my father suffered small injuries my mother
suffre=
d fracture
> > in shoulder and Leg
> >
> > an=
d she is still undergoing treatment and will have to
> > undergo =
one more operation in this month
> >
> > and in Februar=
> > 2 companies (i m doing MCA in =
india) where most of my
friends have
> > not
> > even =
got one and let me tell you i m not very
intelligent
> >
> =
> so sometimes even now i consider whether my choosen
deity is correc=
t
> > or not
> >
> > so everyday in the end o=
f my pooja what i ask GOD is
> > to help me find the right path
>=
> ************ ********* ********* ********* *********
********=
* ********* ***
> > **
> >
> > regards
> =
> jitender
> >
> > --- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogrou=
ps. com, "Narasimha
P.V.R. Rao"
> > <pvr@> wrote:
> >>=
> >> Namaste,

> >>
> >> > Makes you wonder a=
bout the Divine connection
between all these
> >> > supremely el=
evated souls!
> >>
> >> Earlier, I was exerting discret=
ion in sharing
personal accounts,
> > but She has
> >>=
been making me drop guard of late, for whatever
reason. I will
> =
> continue in
> >> the same vein for a little more time.
> =
>>
> >> I had a dream a couple of years ago early in the
m=
orning. In the
> > dream,
> >> there was a big ritual f=
ire. My guru Manish Pandit
and I were
> > sitting in
> =
>> front of the fire. He was teaching me some pranayama
techniques in
> =
> the
> >> dream. Suddenly, he changed into somebody els=
e that I
could not
> > recognize.
> >> It was not anyb=
ody I had seen before.
> >>
> >> I mentioned this dream=
to my guru after a couple of
weeks. First
> > he said he
> =
>> did not know who the other person was and said he
would've
> =
> probably known if
> >> I had mentioned the dream soon aft=
er it had happened.
I left it
> > there.
> >> However,=
when we talked in the next weekend, he
referred to my
> > dream=
and
> >> said he had an idea who it was. He gave me a name and
=
asked me to
> > search on
> >> the internet for his pho=
to and see if he was the
person I saw in
> > my dream.
> =
>> It was a guru from the lineage of Paramahamsa
Yogananda (before
> =
> him). Though
> >> he is apparently well-known, I was no=
t knowledegable
about this
> > lineage and
> >> did no=
t see his picture before. I searched on the
internet and
> > fou=
nd a
> >> photo. Interestingly, the photo was very close to the
=
person I saw
> > in my
> >> dream. The person that Mani=
sh transformed into in my
dream looked
> > like a
> >>=
slightly younger version of that photo.
> >>
> >> When=
I confirmed this to Manish, he only smiled and
> > said, "Narasi=
mha, there
> >> are so many links between various lineages. Leave=
it
for now."
> >>
> >> Of course, I do not know much =
about kriya yoga or
about the
> > lineage of
> >> Para=
mahamsa Yogananda. Our lineage of this life
starts from
> > Datt=
atreya. We
> >> have a special attachment to Ramakrishna Paramaha=
msa
and his
> > lineage and got
> >> a lot of our know=
ledge, inspiration and perhaps
experience from
> > them. We do
>=
>> not have any direct link to the lineage of
Paramahamsa Yogan=
anda.
> > But,
> >> Manish thought there were some othe=
r indirect links.
Moreover, he
> > guessed
> >> who I =
saw, even though I myself had no idea who I
saw, and he
> > gues=
sed
> >> correctly. That should count for something!
> =
>>
> >> I will not be surprised if there are indeed subtle
conne=
ctions
> > between
> >> several lineages that seem disj=
oint today.
> >>
> >> By the way, Swami Vivekananda als=
o appeared in the
prison cell of
> > Sri
> >> Aurobind=
o (who wrote brilliant commentaries on Veda
and Upanishad)
> > a=
nd
> >> imparted him some Adwaita knowledge to Sri Aurobindo.
> =
>>
> >> * * *
> >>
> >> An interesti=
ng coincidence is that a swamiji from
Puri contacted
> > me with=
in a
> >> few days after I saw that photo. His guru and
Paramaha=
msa
> > Yogananda were
> >> co-disciples of the same gu=
ru (Yukteshwar Maharaj).
He is the
> > keeper of
> >> =
some astrological knowledge that his guru received
from Yukteshwar
> =
> Maharaj.
> >> He visited me after a month, discussed that =
knowledge
and spent a
> > day at my
> >> house. Thus, =
some small connection was made with a
representative
> > of that=
> >> lineage soon after the dream. After all, some karmik
debts=
may
> > have been
> >> there...
> >>
> =
>> * * *
> >>
> >> I want to make one thing clear.=
> >>
> >> Some things I mention like this may give the=
impression that my
> > guru has
> >> some psychic abi=
lities or siddhis. That may indeed be
true. But he
> > always
> =
>> downplays those things and attaches no importance
whatsoever.=
He
> > says,
> >> "Narasimha, I am a useless person an=
d lower than dirt
and capable
> > of
> >> nothing. It =
is all Her power. She is the connection
between every
> > entity=
in
> >> this universe. She may choose an idiot like me as an
in=
strument
> > sometimes
> >> and do something using me. =
I have no special
abilities of any
> > kind. Any
> >> =
coincidences you find are just Her grace and not due
to me."
> >=
>
> >> I realized in time that this simplicity, humility and
lac=
k of ego
> > is not
> >> fake. I also realized that thi=
s lack of ego is what
enabled him to
> > do things
> >=
> that sound impossible or difficult. In fact, I
realized that many
> =
> great
> >> saints in the past were like this. Several mag=
ical
things happened
> > through
> >> them, but they d=
id not find any pride in them and
retained their
> > humility
> =
>> and sense of surrender to their chosen form of god
and believ=
ed
> > that god
> >> was the doer of all things and the=
y were mere
instruments.
> >>
> >> The day you also st=
art believing that, not for the
sake of
> > lecturing or
> =
>> posturing, but from the deep cores of your heart,
your sadhana
> =
> will bear
> >> fruit.
> >>
> >> Be=
st regards,
> >> Narasimha
> >> ------------ --------- =
--------- --------- --------- -
-------- -
> >> Do a Short Homam =
Yourself: http://www.VedicAst
rologer.org/ homam
> >> Do Pitri T=
arpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst
> >> =
Spirituality: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic-
wisdom
> >>=
Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.
home.comcast. net
> =
>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst
rologer.org
> =
>> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:
http://www.SriJagan nath.=
org
> >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -
-=
------- -
> >>
> =
>> From: "Dinesh Nambisan" <dinesh@>
> >> To: <vedic-wisd=
om@ yahoogroups. com>
> >> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 5:54 =
PM
> >> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Yogananda (Re: Dharma)
> =
>>
> >>
> >> --- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "=
Narasimha
P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> =
>> > Dear Lakshmi,
> >> >
> >> > The Yogananda I =
mentioned is different. Swami
Yogananda is one of
> >> the sixte=
en monastic disciples of Ramakrishna
Paramahamsa, along
> > with=
> >> Swami Vivekananda. He was forced to marry, but never

slept=
with his
> >> own wife. Swami Vivekananda once said "if any of u=
s
(disciples of
> >> Ramakrishna) conquered lust completely and =
in all
respects, it is
> >> Joginder (Swami Yogananda)". There i=
s no question of
Swami
> > Yogananda
> >> being accuse=
d of drinking and having women etc.
> >> >
> >> > Param=
ahamsa Yogananda is a sishya of Yukteshwar
Maharaj and from
> > =
the
> >> lineage of Mahavatar Babaji. They practice kriya
yoga. =
I do not
> > know
> >> much about him.
> >>
>=
>>
> >>
> >> For what it is worth, you can r=
ead more about
Paramahamsa
> > Yogananda in
> >> his f=
ree+online autobiography,
> >> here http://en.wikisourc e.org/wik=
i/ Autobiography_
of_a_Yogi
> >>
> >> There were inter=
esting links between Ramakrishna
Paramahamsa and
> >> Paramahams=
a Yogananda:-
> >> For example, one of the top disciples of Ramak=
rishna
Paramahamsa
> > was
> >> Mahendranath Gupta (no=
t sure if he was one of the 16
monastic
> >> disciples that Nara=
simhaji refers to) aka Master
Mahasaya, who
> > wrote
> =
> >> (http://en.wikipedia .org/w=
iki/ Mahendranath_ Gupta),
and was the
> >> sanskrit tutor to Pa=
ramahamsa Yogananda as well; the
latter
> > devoted an
> =
> >> book :
> > http=
://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/ Autobiography_
of_a_Yogi/ Chapter_9
> =
>>
> >> Elsewhere in his autobiography Paramhamsa Yogananda
al=
so mentions
> > an
> >> anecdote of a disciple to whom =
he gifted a silver
cup, who as a
> > young
> >> man wa=
s told by Swami Vivekandana that the Guru in
his life would
> >>=
present him with a silver cup in the future.
> >> http://en.wiki=
sourc e.org/wiki/ Autobiography_
of_a_Yogi/ Chapter_47
> >>
> =
>> Makes you wonder about the Divine connection between
all these
=
> >> supremely elevated souls!
> >>
> >> Best=
.
>

2008 06:42:14 -0000
2008 06:42:14 -0000
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:42:11 -0000
Message-ID: <gc7383+10139@...>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: Regarding Homa
y=x2Zm8C86f0CVhmmdfhfwGWXdCj11AP0B9nUqdomaY6xg53nKsw
Dear Narasimhaji
I had a question I wanted to get clarified regarding homa=

s. It was in
2006 that I had been doing the japa of a certain mantra for a=
lmost the
whole year. I had come across the mantra in a strange way, but n=
one
the less I kept chanting the mantra. The deity is Lord Bhairav.
At t=
he end of that year suddenly due to some events I got an chance to
visit t=
he kumb mela as well as the Kal Bhairav and Vatuk Bhairav
temples in Kasi.=
After I came back from there, I wanted to learn how
to do a homa, but I c=
ould not find anyone to teach me the same. So one
day I decided on doing a=
homa in my own way, which I realized after
reading your homa manuals, was=
ridden with innumerable mistakes.
The basic procedure I followed was dra=

wing the yantra of the deity in
the homa kunda, then praying to my deity, =
Lord Ganapati and the Divine
Mother to forgive all mistakes. And next I wo=
uld straight away start
off with the main mantra and its ahuti in fire. Th=
at used to me the
major part of the homa. And I loved watching the peculia=
r behaviour of
the fire in the homa kunda.
I had done this kind of (comp=

letely wrong) homa at least ten/fifteen
times in the last one year..
Aft=
er reading the homa manuals I have understood the innumerable
mistakes tha=
t I had done in the name of doing a homa. But somehow I
liked the experine=
ces very much.
I wanted to ask you, can I continue the way I was doing or=
is there
something I need to do to rectify all the mistakes that I have
=
commited till now.. Waiting for your guidance..
-Regards
Rajarshi
From m540i98@... Wed Feb 17 11:09:07 2016

2008 10:50:01 -0000
Oct 2008 10:50:01 -0000
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 10:49:59 -0000
Message-ID: <gc7hon+nb9g@...>
In-Reply-To: <963126.60367.qm@...>
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.197.164.143
From: "m540i98" <m540i98@...>
y=3zIwKNCQrWU1mFrdRmj8QReOtm5iDvhytHsWitpkkHlrfw
Hello Dilip
Wow you have meet him? very good, if you can get access to the=
se books
please read them, these are good books. I sincerely encourage you =
and
than come back with more information.
He gave different types of init=

iations based on the state of
sadhaka. he gave kriya yoga to very few disc=
ples explicitly.
He mostly gave rama mantra and then explained how to do pr=
ananyams.
Only one that I read about was a guy name jhadavjibhai in rajkot,=
who
did kriya yoga and was very advanced sadhaka.
He is the guru of all =

of my family members on my fathers side, except
for me and some of my youn=
ger siblings. He used to visit our home
too, however nobody in my home kne=
w about this too.
Best Regards
Mitesh
--- In vedic-wisdom@...=
m, Dilip Bhatt <dbhatt4651@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Mitesh,
> Ranchod dasji ma=
haaj and Babaji are two different entities.=A0 I have
met Ranchhod dasji m=
aharaj.=A0 But Babaji described in Yogananda's book
and person described i=
n the book you are refering are not the same.=A0
> Babaji is also known as=
Mahavtar Babaji.=A0 Guru of Swami Ram of
Hrdware was known as Bengali Bab=
a.=A0 A well known saint.
> Leanage describe here is of Kriya Yoga.=A0 Mahv=
tar Babaji gave diksha
to Lahiri mahashay.=A0 Shri Yukteshwar giri is disi=
ple of Lahiri
Mahashay.=A0 Yoga nanada is shisya of Yukteshwar giri.
> Dil=
ip
>
> --- On Fri, 10/3/08, m540i98 <m540i98@...> wrote:
>
> From: m540i9=
8 <m540i98@...>
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Paramhans Yogananda's Lineage=

> Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 8:05 P=
M
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Karthi
> The books that I have mentioned are as =
follows:
>
> Shri Gurudev ki sannidhi me
> By Kumari Kumudini Paramanand P=
anjwani
>
> She has covered in the books from 1950 to 1973 over the six vo=
lumes
> In volume 1 he himself indicates the lineage.
> I have read vol 1 =
to vol 6, it appears they started publishing in
> 1980s.
>
> In Vol 3 on =
page 239 he discusses about Lahiri Mahashaya.
> He also indicated there tha=
t all the story described in Paramhans
> Yogananda's book about the surron=
dings at the time of Lahiri
> Mahashaya's initiation are not true. He also=
has indicated that he
> never physically met Yogananda, always they met i=
n Samadhi state.
>
> These are very good books with lots of knowledge and =
practical
things
> with good scientific explanation of many aspects of ve=
das, yoga,
etc.
>
> One can get this books at following places
>
> 1) Sh=
ri Sadguru Sadan Trust Ashram
> Kuvadvaa Road Rajkot, Gujarat, India 360003=
> 2) Shri Sadguru Seva Sangh Trust

> Mafatlal house
> Back bay reclamation=
> Bombay 400020

> 3) Shri Ramdham Trust
> Phuskar, Rajasthan
> 4) Shri Sad=
guru Seva Sangh Trust
> Janki Kund
> Chitrakut, UP, India 210204
>
> Over=
and above this there are other books too like "Sudha
> Sarita", "Manav Dr=
asti" etc.
>
> Hope this clarifies your query
>
> Best Regards
> Mitesh
>=
--- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, sivasankara narayanan
> <seshasiva=
@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mitesh,
> > =A0
> > Would you please share the sour=
ce of the information that you
have
> provided?. thank you
> > =A0
> > Re=
gards
> > Karthi
> >
> > --- On Sat, 10/4/08, m540i98 <m540i98@ > wrote:
>=
>
> > From: m540i98 <m540i98@ >
> > Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Paramhans Yog=
ananda's Lineage
> > To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Saturday,=
October 4, 2008, 2:26 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Namaste
> >
> =
> Recently I saw some postings and thought I would share some
> > informat=
ion about Paramhans Yogananda's lineage.
> >
> > Many already know that Sw=
amiji's ( Paramahans Yogaanda) was a
> direct
> > disciple of Shri Yuktes=
hwar Maharaj a disciple of Shri Lahiri
> > Mahashaya.
> >
> > As per his =
book Lahiri Mahashaya was a disciple of Babaji.
> > Babaji lived in India i=
n physical body till 1973. He took
> > Maha samadhi in Bombay and his Samad=
hi is located in Phuskar
> > Rajasthan.
> >
> > Babaji is also know as Ra=
nchod Dasji Maharaj, Paramhans of
> Chirtakut
> > and some more names too=
. He was a Maharatrian Deshasth brahmin by
> > birth and was born in Gwail=
or district in MP.
> >
> > Ranchod Dasji Maharaj name was given to him by =
his disciples in
> > Gujarat.
> >
> > He may have lived for 700 plus year=
s.
> >
> > He ran away from home at a very tender age and was taken up a
=
> > disciple by Bala Krishna Dasji also known as Paihari Baba.
> > Paihari =
baba was also very releaized, he only drank milk and so
the
> > name. Pai=
hari Baba was Gujarati by birth but spoke in Hindi.
> >
> > Paihari Baba l=
ived in Kulu for a long time, than in Pushkar, he
was
> > in Pushkar when=
the temple of Srinathji was moved from Mathura to
> > Rajasthan. At that =
time he did a lot of seva of lord Krishna in
> > Pushkar.
> > After that =
he lived in Galtaji near jaipur in Rajasthan.
> > Babaji also lived in Gal=
taji for about 12 years and he had the
> vision
> > of Lord Rama in the s=
ame cave, that exists today too.
> >
> > It is located a few miles from Ja=
ipur, there are a few temples
> there
> > near the cave. I have visited t=
his cave too.
> >
> > From Galtaji Paihari Baba moved to Revasa and than t=
o Kashmir
where
> > he lived in a place called "Rasayani Gufa".
> >
> > =
Paihari Baba also may have lived for 500 plus years too.
> >
> > While at =
Galtaji, the Famous Tulsidas maharaj had visited Paihari
> > Baba and give=
a hand written manuscipt of Ramayana.
> >
> > They belong to the Ramanand=
i Sampradaya who has Lord Ram and
> Goddess
> > Sita devi as ishta devata=
. Ramanandi Sampardaya came as an
offshot
> of
> > Ramanuja Sampradaya.
=
> >
> > Babaji or Ranchod Dasji Maharaj lived for many years in Bengal,
>=
> Chitrakot and Also visited Gujarat. He also stayed in Kashmir.
> > One o=
f the kings of Kashmir was a devout disciple of Paihari Baba.
> >
> > Both=
Babaji and Paihari Baba were adept in "kaya kalpa" and they
> also
> > h=
ad strong connection with saints located in Tibet.
> >
> > Paihari Baba us=
ed to remain in samadhi at a stretch for 2 to 3
> years.
> > Paihari Baba =
as a young brahamchari served also Swami Ramananda
in
> > Kashi.
> >
> >=
Ranchoddasji Maharaj has samadhi in Pushkar, A trust in Rajkot,
> > Gujar=
at and also in Chitakut too. At these places they do
> charitable
> > act=
ivities.
> >
> > Ranchoddasji Maharaj had many disciples but he never made=
anybody
> his
> > sucessor.
> >
> > A lot of books have been written by=
one or two lady disciples of
> > Ranchoddasji Maharaj and all this inform=
ation written here is
> coming
> > from those books. these books are avia=
lable in his ashrams. They
> are
> > written in Gujarati and Hindi Dialec=
t.
> >
> > These books describe Ranchoddasji Maharaj's teachings, his view=
on
> > many things, his short speeches and kind of like biography.
> >
=
> > These are very good books, they describe many aspects of
> spirtuality=
> > in simple laymans language.

> >
> > Babaji indicated that Lahiri Mah=
ashaya was his disciple for 5
births
> > and in this birth with kriya yoga=
he cleared all his impressions
> and
> > was given authority to guide pe=
ople and initiate in kriya yoga
> after
> > relalizing his true nature. L=
ike him he had another disciple in
> > Bengal too known as "Din bandhu" bu=
t I do not have any
information
> on
> > him.
> >
> > Babaji did meet S=
hri Yuteshwar Maharaj a few times.
> >
> > He also indicated that many adv=
anced saints from the Nath
> Sampradaya
> > also took birth and followed =
the ramanandi sampradaya to
experiance
> > more bliss.
> >
> > My intent=
here is to share information and not start any
> > controversies.
> >
> =
> If anyone needs the names of these books and also the address of
> > ash=
rams, I am very happy to provide that too.
> >
> > If there is interest in=
more information than I shall try to
write
> > more about the lineage an=
d the prominent saints of the lineage
too.
> >
> > I also have many pictu=
res of Ranchoddasji Maharaj, but am not
sure
> > how to load them up for =
you all to see.
> >
> > Happy Navratri
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Mitesh
> =
>
>
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Namaste,
Yes, you can. Take a sankalpa for Ucchishta Ganapathi homam and =
Sri Lakshmi homam. Invoke Ucchishta Ganapathi in fire, do panchopachara poo=
ja, offer the chosen mantra of his as many times as you want and then offer=
him some naivedyam/food (fruit piece or something). Then invoke Lakshmi in=
the same fire, do a panchopachara pooja, offer her chosen mantra as many t=
imes as you want and offer her some naivedyam/food. Then do uttarangam and =
poornahuti. At the time of poornahuti, you can say the main mantras of both=
devatas and offer poornaahuti.
I have seen some priests actually take sa=

nkalpam for only one homam and make offerings to other deities also, withou=
t a formal invocation. In other words, you take sankalpam for Ganapathi onl=
y and, after finishing his mantra, you simply pour ahutis in fire for Laksh=
mi (or other deities). That is also fine.
When you receive a VIP at your =

house, you may follow a protocol (e.g. greet him at the door, walk him insi=
de, make him sit down in a sofa, offer some refreshments, chat for a while,=
serve some food, send off formally etc). When you receive two VIPs togethe=
r, you can treat them together or separately and use different level of for=
mality with them. The level of formality and protocol to be followed really=
depends on how comfortable you are with them and how well you know them. T=
hus, some shortcuts resorted to be some priests may be somewhat inappropria=
te for normal people in the beginning. Thus, it is a good idea to formally =
invoke each deity. If you want to offer a specific mantra for a very small =
count, it is perhaps ok to offer without an invocation.
* * =
*
Some priests give multiple poornaahutis. After finishing Ganapathi man=

tra, they give one poornaahuti and they give one more after finishing Laksh=
mi mantra and give one final "Maha Poornahuti" at the very end. As poornaah=
uti means "complete surrender" and it is like a river going and merging in =
an ocean, I think multiple poornaahutis are not really needed. When you giv=
e one poornaahuti at the end, gods are not going to be confused who it is m=
eant for and fight over it. They know that it is for the underlying one god=
within them. What is important is to instill a true sense of complete surr=
ender at poornaahuti time and meditate deeply.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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From: Dr. Paul om
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 12:07 PM

Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] R=
ight deity and sadhana (Re: Yogananda)
Hare Rama Krishna
Dear Narasi=
mha Ji,
Pranaam,
Is there any way i can do a homam for Uschis=
htha ganesha and godess lakshmi together. I want to do one on thi sunday. P=
lease guide.
Thanks in advance
Omesh
Hare Rama Krishna
=
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Ashwin Rawal <ashwinrawal@yah=

oo.co.in> wrote:
Dear Narsimhaji, You mentioned the appearance of=
mother before you. Can you kindly clarify which mother? you mean Sharda de=
vi (Thakurain Ma) or Goddess Durga ? Kindly answer this immediately as I am=
excited to know this trutth about homa.
Dr.Ashwin Rawal
=
--- On Thu, 2/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrote:
=
Subject: =
[vedic-wisdom] Right deity and sadhana (Re: Yogananda)
To: ve=
=
Date: Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 4:21 AM
Namaste,
=
Choosing the right deity for sadhana is important. If you do not=
know the
right deity, just doing some sadhana is definitely b=
etter than waiting. Pick
whatever deity seems natural to you a=
nd do sadhana.
Please remember that sadhana for spiritual prog=

ress is different from
sadhana for specific material benefits.=
No matter which deity you worship,
sadhana performed for spir=
itual progress never goes waste. However,
sometimes it may be =
necessary to experience the results of some bad karmas
before =
some good things happen. Imagine all your karmas lying in a pile in a
=
basket. Suppose some of the really good karmas that will enable you=
to do
serious sadhana and experience great things lie at the =
bottom or middle of
the pile. When you start sadhana, suppose =
god decides to give you the fruits
of those auspicious karmas.=
Imagine him reaching into the pile and
retrieving those karma=
s. In the process, some other karmas may spill over
and give t=
heir fruits. Some of those may be undesirable. So what? They had
=
A serious =
sadhaka should never be disheartened by a few seemingly
undesi=
rable results after starting a spiritual sadhana. Just keep going.
=
One gentleman I know received mantra for Kaali from a very good
=
priest-cum-yogi in late 2005. After he did the mantra for a few days=
, he was
laid off and lost his job. He was not perturbed. He c=
ontinued his sadhana
and used the break to go on an extended t=
rip to India and make a pilgrimage
to some nice places. He par=
ticipated in the Shata Chandi homam we conducted
at the Kaalik=
ambal temple in Chennai in March 2006. He met my guru and got
=
the opportunity to be his room mate for a week when we stayed at the house =
of a priest during the homam. He could observe and interact wi=

th my guru
very closely. Most importantly, when my guru had a =
vision of the Mother on
2006 March 3 afternoon, in which She t=
old him to start the work on spreading
homam in the world, thi=
s gentleman was present there. Though he could not
see the Mot=
her, he actually smelled something out of the world and was
ba=
ffled. He knew something was going on, but did not know what. The temple
=
was closed at the time and my guru and this gentlemen were the o=
nly people
on the premises when the Mother appeared. Even thou=
gh he could not see the
Mother, it was most fortunate of him t=
o be present there at *that* crucial
moment. That is enough to=
mould the rest of his life.
You never know how, when and wher=

e the grace of god falls on you.
Calculations and logic are us=
eless when it comes to the grace of god. Just
surrender and ke=
ep doing whatever sadhana you picked. If it needs
fine-tuning,=
somebody will appear to tell you that. Any bad things that
ha=
ppen when doing a spiritual sadhana should be viewed as nature settling
=
some debts so that you are prepared to receive the fruits of some=
really
auspicious karmas.
As Shirdi Sai Baba say=

s, you should have "sraddha and saburi". Have devotion
and pat=
ience. There is no limit to what you can get then.
Best regard=
s,
Narasimha
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> Namaste Sir
> what you said makes=
a lot sense and it was marvellous
> but i have some small doub=
ts
>
> Leaving astrology aside and those who do not=
have a guru
=
> bcoz in second part of AGHORA, Vimalanda, said choosing right d=
eity
=
=
>
> One thing more
> we have so many deiti=
es that on diwali i would like to worship
> Lakshmi and Kali
=
> on=
janmashtami we would fast for KRISHNA
> an on MAHASHIVARATRI f=
or SHIVA
> like this
> with hte change in festival =
the deity changes
>
> though everybody knows GOD is=
ONE but it becomes difficult to get
> out of this
=
> mould and if i didnt worship her may be that GOD/GODDESS may become
=
> angry
>
> I Know,this is my foolishness bu=
t stiil this thing hangs in the mind
>
> One thing =
more
>
> Suppose if i choose a deity and something =
wrong happens
>
=
=
> DEBTS/WRONG DEEDS
> or the NATURE was telling me to chang=
e the DEITY as I am not fit
> for that DEITY
>
=
> o what am i doing does this =
really works
>
>
=
> som=
ething like what happened to Pt. GOPI KRISHNA JI
> happens to u=
s also
> though he says in his book that he read a lot about yo=
ga
>
> At any sta=
ge i do not want you people to get offended
> but these are my =
doubts which are there in my mind
>
> i will not sa=
y much now bcoz in
> Swami Sivananda's KUNDALINI YOGA on the la=
st page he says
>
> "the shastras are endless and t=
here is so much to be known
> turn the gaze. draw the indriyas.=
still the mind.then
> dive deep into the divine source and real=
ise the infinite bliss"
>
> ************ ********* =
********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ***
> *
=
>
=
> around 26 or 27 dec.2007 i started chanting 2 mantras (one kar mala
=
> each)
> and on =
9 january 2008 my parents met an accident
> though my father su=
ffered small injuries my mother suffred fracture
> in shoulder =
and Leg
>
> and she is still undergoing treatment a=
nd will have to
=
>
=
> 2 companies (i m doing MCA in india) where most of my friends have
=
> not
> even got one and let me tell you i m not ve=
ry intelligent
>
> so sometimes even now i consider=
whether my choosen deity is correct
> or not
>
=
=
> ************ ********* ****=
***** ********* ********* ********* ********* ***
> **
=
>
> regards
> jitender
>
=
> --- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
=
> <pvr@...> wrote:
>>
>> Namaste,
>>=
>> > Makes you wonder about the Divine connection between all =
these
>>
=
=
> but She has
>> been making me drop guard of late, for w=
hatever reason. I will
> continue in
>> the same ve=
in for a little more time.
>>
>> I had a dream a co=
uple of years ago early in the morning. In the
> dream,
=
>> there was a big ritual fire. My guru Manish Pandit and I were
=
> sitting in
>> front of the fire. He was teaching me so=
me pranayama techniques in
> the
>> dream. Suddenly=
, he changed into somebody else that I could not
> recognize.
=
>>
=
>> I mentioned this dream to my guru after a couple of weeks. First
=
> he said he
>> did not know who the other person was =
and said he would've
> probably known if
>> I had m=
entioned the dream soon after it had happened. I left it
> ther=
e.
>> However, when we talked in the next weekend, he referred =
to my
> dream and
>> said he had an idea who it was=
. He gave me a name and asked me to
> search on
>> =
the internet for his photo and see if he was the person I saw in
=
> my dream.
>> It was a guru from the lineage of Paramahamsa =
Yogananda (before
> him). Though
>> he is apparentl=
y well-known, I was not knowledegable about this
> lineage and
=
>> did not see his picture before. I searched on the internet a=
nd
> found a
>> photo. Interestingly, the photo was=
very close to the person I saw
> in my
>> dream. T=
he person that Manish transformed into in my dream looked
> lik=
e a
>>
=
=
>> are so many links between vario=
us lineages. Leave it for now."
>>
>> Of course, I =
do not know much about kriya yoga or about the
> lineage of
=
=
> Dattatreya. We
>> have a special attachment to Ramak=
rishna Paramahamsa and his
> lineage and got
>> a l=
ot of our knowledge, inspiration and perhaps experience from
> =
them. We do
>> not have any direct link to the lineage of Param=
ahamsa Yogananda.
> But,
>> Manish thought there we=
re some other indirect links. Moreover, he
> guessed
=
=
> guessed
=
>>
>> I will not be surprised if there are indeed sub=
tle connections
> between
>> several lineages that =
seem disjoint today.
>>
>> By the way, Swami Viveka=
nanda also appeared in the prison cell of
> Sri
>> =
Aurobindo (who wrote brilliant commentaries on Veda and Upanishad)
=
> and
>> imparted him some Adwaita knowledge to Sri Aurobin=
do.
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> An in=
teresting coincidence is that a swamiji from Puri contacted
> m=
e within a
>> few days after I saw that photo. His guru and Par=
amahamsa
> Yogananda were
>> co-disciples of the sa=
me guru (Yukteshwar Maharaj). He is the
> keeper of
=
>> some astrological knowledge that his guru received from Yukteshwar
=
> Maharaj.
>> He visited me after a month, discussed th=
at knowledge and spent a
> day at my
>> house. Thus=
, some small connection was made with a representative
> of tha=
t
>> lineage soon after the dream. After all, some karmik debts=
may
> have been
>> there...
>>
=
>> * * *
>>
>> I want to make one thing clear.=
>>
>> Some things I mention like this may give the=
impression that my
> guru has
>> some psychic abil=
ities or siddhis. That may indeed be true. But he
> always
=
>> downplays those things and attaches no importance whatsoever. He=
> says,
>> "Narasimha, I am a useless person and l=
ower than dirt and capable
> of
>> nothing. It is a=
ll Her power. She is the connection between every
> entity in
=
>> this universe. She may choose an idiot like me as an instrume=
nt
> sometimes
>> and do something using me. I have=
no special abilities of any
> kind. Any
>> coincid=
ences you find are just Her grace and not due to me."
>>
=
>> I realized in time that this simplicity, humility and lack of ego
=
> is not
>> fake. I also realized that this lack of=
ego is what enabled him to
> do things
>> that sou=
nd impossible or difficult. In fact, I realized that many
> gre=
at
>> saints in the past were like this. Several magical things=
happened
> through
>> them, but they did not find =
any pride in them and retained their
> humility
>> =
and sense of surrender to their chosen form of god and believed
=
> that god
>> was the doer of all things and they were mere in=
struments.
>>
>> The day you also start believing t=
hat, not for the sake of
> lecturing or
>> posturin=
g, but from the deep cores of your heart, your sadhana
> will b=
ear
>> fruit.
>>
>> Best regards,
=
>> Narasimha
>> ------------ --------- --------- -------=
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>>
>> From: "D=
inesh Nambisan" <dinesh@...>
>> To: <vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups.=
com>
>=
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Yogananda (Re: Dharma)
>>
=
>>
>> --- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "Narasimha P.V.R.=
Rao" <pvr@>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear L=
akshmi,
>> >
>> > The Yogananda I mentioned is diff=
erent. Swami Yogananda is one of
>> the sixteen monastic discip=
les of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, along
> with
>> Swa=
mi Vivekananda. He was forced to marry, but never slept with his
=
>> own wife. Swami Vivekananda once said "if any of us (disciples of
=
>> Ramakrishna) conquered lust completely and in all respects, it i=
s
>> Joginder (Swami Yogananda)". There is no question of Swami=
> Yogananda
>> being accused of drinking and havin=
g women etc.
>> >
>> > Paramahamsa Yogananda is a s=
ishya of Yukteshwar Maharaj and from
> the
>> linea=
ge of Mahavatar Babaji. They practice kriya yoga. I do not
> kn=
ow
>> much about him.
>>
>>
=
>>
>> For what it is worth, you can read more about Paramahams=
a
> Yogananda in
=
>> here http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/ Autobiography_ of_a_Yo=

gi
>>
>> There were interesting links between Ram=
akrishna Paramahamsa and
=
>> For example, one of the top disciples of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
=
> was
>> Mahendranath Gupta (not sure if he was one of th=
e 16 monastic
>> disciples that Narasimhaji refers to) aka Mast=
er Mahasaya, who
> wrote
>> "The Gospel of Ramakris=
hna"
>> (http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Mahendranath_ Gupta), a=
nd was the
>> sanskrit tutor to Paramahamsa Yogananda as well; =
the latter
> devoted an
>> entire chapter to him in=
his
>> book :
> http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/ A=

utobiography_ of_a_Yogi/ Chapter_9
>>
>> Elsewher=
e in his autobiography Paramhamsa Yogananda also mentions
> an
=
>> anecdote of a disciple to whom he gifted a silver cup, who a=
s a
> young
>> man was told by Swami Vivekandana th=
at the Guru in his life would
>> present him with a silver cup =
in the future.
>> http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/ Autobiograph=

y_ of_a_Yogi/ Chapter_47
>>
>> Makes you wonder a=
bout the Divine connection between all these
>> supremely eleva=
ted souls!
>>
>> Best.
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panchopachara pooja, =
offer the chosen mantra of his as many times as you want
and then offer hi=
m some naivedyam/food (fruit piece or something). Then invoke
Lakshmi in t=
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ther deities also, without a formal
invocation. In other words, you take s=
ankalpam for Ganapathi only and, after
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deities). That is also fine.</FONT=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When you receive a VIP=
at your house, you may
follow a protocol (e.g. greet him at the door, wal=
k him inside, make him sit
down in a sofa, offer some refreshments, chat f=
or a while, serve some food, send
off formally etc). When you receive two =
VIPs together, you can treat them
together or separately and use different=
level of formality with them. The level
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ollowed really depends on how comfortable you
are with them and how well y=
ou know them. Thus, some shortcuts resorted to be
some priests may be some=
what inappropriate for normal people in the beginning.
Thus, it is a good =
idea to formally invoke each deity. If you want to offer a
specific mantra=
for a very small count, it is perhaps ok to offer without an
invocation.<=
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>* &n=
bsp;
* *</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
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poornaahut=
is. After finishing Ganapathi mantra, they give one poornaahuti and
they g=
ive one more after finishing Lakshmi mantra and give one final "Maha
Poorn=
ahuti" at the very end. As poornaahuti means "complete surrender" and it is=
like a river going and merging in an ocean, I think multiple poornaahutis=

are
not really needed. When you give one poornaahuti at the end, gods are=
not going
to be confused who it is meant for and fight over it. They know=
that it is for
the underlying one god within them. What is important is t=
o instill a true sense
of complete surrender at poornaahuti time and medit=
ate deeply.</FONT></DIV>
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DIV> Pranaam,</DIV>
<DIV>=
Is there any way i can do a homam for Uschishtha ganesha and godess
=
lakshmi together. I want to do one on thi sunday. Please guide.</DIV>
<=
DIV> Thanks in advance</DIV>
<DIV> Omesh</DIV>
<DIV>Ha=
re Rama Krishna</DIV>
<DIV> &nbs=
p;
<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV=
class=3Dgmail_quote>On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Ashwin Rawal <SPAN
=
dir=3Dltr><<A
href=3D"mailto:ashwinrawal@...">ashwinrawal@yah=
oo.co.in</A>></SPAN>
wrote:
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<TD vAlign=3Dtop>Dear Narsimhaji, You men=
tioned the appearance of mother
before you. Can you kindly clari=
fy which mother? you mean Sharda devi
(Thakurain Ma) or Goddess =
Durga ? Kindly answer this immediately as I
am excited to know t=
his trutth about homa.<BR><BR><FONT
face=3D"comic sans ms" color=
=3D#212143><STRONG>Dr.Ashwin
Rawal</STRONG></FONT><BR><BR>--- On=
<B>Thu, 2/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R.
Rao <I><<A href=3D"mailto:=
pvr@..."
target=3D_blank>pvr@...</A>></I></B>=
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px =
solid">From:
Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <<A href=3D"mailto:pvr@ch=
arter.net"
target=3D_blank>pvr@...</A>><BR>Subject:=
[vedic-wisdom]
Right deity and sadhana (Re: Yogananda)
=
<DIV class=3DIh2E3d><BR>To: <A
href=3D"mailto:vedic-wis=
dom@yahoogroups.com"
target=3D_blank>vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.=
com</A><BR></DIV>Cc: <A
href=3D"mailto:sivacharya@yahoogroups.=
com"
target=3D_blank>sivacharya@yahoogroups.com</A><BR>Date: T=
hursday, 2
October, 2008, 4:21 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV>
=
<DIV>
<P>
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
=
<DIV class=3DWj3C7c>Namaste,<BR><BR>Choosing the right deity for=
sadhana is important. If you do not know the <BR>right deity,=

just
doing some sadhana is definitely better than waiting. Pi=
ck
<BR>whatever deity seems natural to you and do
=
sadhana.<BR><BR>Please remember that sadhana for spiritual progress
=
is different from <BR>sadhana for specific material benefits. No
=
matter which deity you worship, <BR>sadhana performed for spiritu=
al
progress never goes waste. However, <BR>sometimes it may be=
necessary to experience the results of some bad karmas <BR>be=

fore
some good things happen. Imagine all your karmas lying in=
a pile in
a <BR>basket. Suppose some of the really good karma=
s that will
enable you to do <BR>serious sadhana and experienc=
e great things lie
at the bottom or middle of <BR>the pile. Wh=
en you start sadhana,
suppose god decides to give you the frui=
ts <BR>of those auspicious
karmas. Imagine him reaching into t=
he pile and <BR>retrieving those
karmas. In the process, some =
other karmas may spill over <BR>and
give their fruits. Some of=
those may be undesirable. So what? They
had <BR>to be experie=
nced sometime or the other, anyway!<BR><BR>A
serious sadhaka s=
hould never be disheartened by a few seemingly
<BR>undesirable=
results after starting a spiritual sadhana. Just
keep going.<=
BR><BR>One gentleman I know received mantra for Kaali
from a v=
ery good <BR>priest-cum-yogi in late 2005. After he did the
ma=
ntra for a few days, he was <BR>laid off and lost his job. He was
=
not perturbed. He continued his sadhana <BR>and used the break to go
=
on an extended trip to India and make a pilgrimage <BR>to some n=
ice
places. He participated in the Shata Chandi homam we condu=
cted
<BR>at the Kaalikambal temple in Chennai in March 2006. H=
e met my
guru and got <BR>the opportunity to be his room mate =
for a week when
we stayed at the house <BR>of a priest during =
the homam. He could
observe and interact with my guru <BR>very=
closely. Most
importantly, when my guru had a vision of the M=
other on <BR>2006
March 3 afternoon, in which She told him to =
start the work on
spreading <BR>homam in the world, this gentl=
eman was present there.
Though he could not <BR>see the Mother=
, he actually smelled
something out of the world and was <BR>b=
affled. He knew something
was going on, but did not know what.=
The temple <BR>was closed at
the time and my guru and this ge=
ntlemen were the only people <BR>on
the premises when the Moth=
er appeared. Even though he could not see
the <BR>Mother, it w=
as most fortunate of him to be present there at
*that* crucial=
<BR>moment. That is enough to mould the rest of his
life.<BR>=
<BR>You never know how, when and where the grace of god
falls =
on you. <BR>Calculations and logic are useless when it comes
t=
o the grace of god. Just <BR>surrender and keep doing whatever
=
sadhana you picked. If it needs <BR>fine-tuning, somebody will
=
appear to tell you that. Any bad things that <BR>happen when doing a
=
spiritual sadhana should be viewed as nature settling <BR>some deb=
ts
so that you are prepared to receive the fruits of some real=
ly
<BR>auspicious karmas.<BR><BR>As Shirdi Sai Baba says, you =
should
have "sraddha and saburi". Have devotion <BR>and patien=
ce. There is
no limit to what you can get then.<BR><BR>Best
=
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------ --------- --------- ------=
---
--------- --------- -<BR></DIV></DIV>Do a Short Homam Your=
self: <A
href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/homam" target=
=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homa=
m</A><BR>Do Pitri
Tarpanas Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.ved=
icastrologer.org/tarpana"
//www.VedicAst rologer.org/
tarpana</A>
<DIV clas=
s=3DIh2E3d><BR>Spirituality: <A
href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.co=
m/group/vedic-wisdom" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://gr=
oups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic-
wisdom</A><BR>Free Jyotish lesso=
ns (MP3): <A
href=3D"http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net/" targ=
et=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://vedicastro. home.comcast. ne=
t</A><BR></DIV>Free
=
rel=
=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org</A><BR>Sri Jagannath
=
Centre (SJC) website: <A href=3D"http://www.srijagannath.org/"
=
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.SriJagan nath.org</A>
=
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3DWj3C7c><BR>---=
--------- --------- --------- ---------
--------- --------- - =
<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>>
Namaste Sir<BR>&=
gt; what you said makes a lot sense and it was
marvellous<BR>&=
gt; but i have some small doubts<BR>><BR>>
Leaving astro=
logy aside and those who do not have a guru<BR>> how
can th=
ey chooose a particular form of GOD<BR>> bcoz in second
par=
t of AGHORA, Vimalanda, said choosing right deity<BR>> is very
=
important, as the analogy he gave of a person<BR>> who is greedy
=
and worships LAKSHMI , may increase his greed<BR>><BR>> One=
thing more<BR>> we have so many deities that on diwali i w=

ould
like to worship<BR>> Lakshmi and Kali<BR>> in navar=
atri
(nowadays) we would worship Durga<BR>> on janmashtami =
we would
fast for KRISHNA<BR>> an on MAHASHIVARATRI for SHI=
VA<BR>> like
this<BR>> with hte change in festival the d=
eity
changes<BR>><BR>> though everybody knows GOD is ONE=
but it
becomes difficult to get<BR>> out of this<BR>> m=
ould and if i
didnt worship her may be that GOD/GODDESS may be=
come<BR>>
angry<BR>><BR>> I Know,this is my foolishne=
ss but stiil this
thing hangs in the mind<BR>><BR>> One =
thing
more<BR>><BR>> Suppose if i choose a deity and som=
ething wrong
happens<BR>> (materiallistically )<BR>><BR>=
> what should i
consider that my deity was helping me to cl=
ear my<BR>>
DEBTS/WRONG DEEDS<BR>> or the NATURE was tel=
ling me to change the
DEITY as I am not fit<BR>> for that D=
EITY<BR>><BR>> and
sometimes you feel<BR>> o what am =
i doing does this really
works<BR>><BR>> and one thing m=
ore<BR>><BR>> what if we
go on doing our pooja and somed=
ay<BR>> something like what
happened to Pt. GOPI KRISHNA JI=
<BR>> happens to us also<BR>>
though he says in his book=
that he read a lot about yoga<BR>> and
stuff like this<BR>=
><BR>> At any stage i do not want you
people to get offe=
nded<BR>> but these are my doubts which are
there in my min=
d<BR>><BR>> i will not say much now bcoz
in<BR>> Swam=
i Sivananda's KUNDALINI YOGA on the last page he
says<BR>><=
BR>> "the shastras are endless and there is so much
to be k=
nown<BR>> turn the gaze. draw the indriyas.still the
mind.t=
hen<BR>> dive deep into the divine source and realise the
i=
nfinite bliss"<BR>><BR>> ************ ********* *********
=
********* ********* ********* ********* ***<BR>> *<BR>> i ll
=
give one small personal example here<BR>><BR>> around 26 or 27=
dec.2007 i started chanting 2 mantras (one kar mala<BR>>

=
each)<BR>> in morning and evening<BR>> and on 9 january 2=
008
my parents met an accident<BR>> though my father suffer=
ed small
injuries my mother suffred fracture<BR>> in should=
er and
Leg<BR>><BR>> and she is still undergoing treatme=
nt and will
have to<BR>> undergo one more operation in this=
month<BR>><BR>> and in February and March i got placeme=

nt
in<BR>> 2 companies (i m doing MCA in india) where most =
of my
friends have<BR>> not<BR>> even got one and let me=
tell you i
m not very intelligent<BR>><BR>> so sometime=
s even now i
consider whether my choosen deity is correct<BR>&=
gt; or
not<BR>><BR>> so everyday in the end of my pooja =
what i ask
GOD is<BR>> to help me find the right path<BR>&g=
t; ************
********* ********* ********* ********* ******=
*** *********
***<BR>> **<BR>><BR>> regards<BR>>
=
jitender<BR>><BR>> --- In <A
href=3D"mailto:=
vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow=
>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>, "Narasimha P.V.R.
Rao"<BR=
>> <pvr@...> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>
Namaste,<=
BR>>><BR>>> > Makes you wonder about the
Divine=
connection between all these<BR>>> > supremely
eleva=
ted souls!<BR>>><BR>>> Earlier, I was exerting
dis=
cretion in sharing personal accounts,<BR>> but She
has<BR>&=
gt;> been making me drop guard of late, for whatever
reason=
. I will<BR>> continue in<BR>>> the same vein for a
l=
ittle more time.<BR>>><BR>>> I had a dream a couple of
=
years ago early in the morning. In the<BR>> dream,<BR>>>
=
there was a big ritual fire. My guru Manish Pandit and I
=
were<BR>> sitting in<BR>>> front of the fire. He was
=
teaching me some pranayama techniques in<BR>> the<BR>>>
=
dream. Suddenly, he changed into somebody else that I could
=
not<BR>> recognize.<BR>>> It was not anybody I had seen
=
before.<BR>>><BR>>> I mentioned this dream to my guru
=
after a couple of weeks. First<BR>> he said he<BR>>> d=
id
not know who the other person was and said he would've<BR>&=
gt;
probably known if<BR>>> I had mentioned the dream so=
on after
it had happened. I left it<BR>> there.<BR>>>=
However, when
we talked in the next weekend, he referred to m=
y<BR>> dream
and<BR>>> said he had an idea who it was=
. He gave me a name
and asked me to<BR>> search on<BR>>&=
gt; the internet for his
photo and see if he was the person I =
saw in<BR>> my
dream.<BR>>> It was a guru from the li=
neage of Paramahamsa
Yogananda (before<BR>> him). Though<BR=
>>> he is apparently
well-known, I was not knowledegable=
about this<BR>> lineage
and<BR>>> did not see his pi=
cture before. I searched on the
internet and<BR>> found a<B=
R>>> photo. Interestingly, the
photo was very close to t=
he person I saw<BR>> in my<BR>>>
dream. The person th=
at Manish transformed into in my dream
looked<BR>> like a<B=
R>>> slightly younger version of that
photo.<BR>>>=
<BR>>> When I confirmed this to Manish, he
only smiled a=
nd<BR>> said, "Narasimha, there<BR>>> are so
many lin=
ks between various lineages. Leave it for
now."<BR>>><BR=
>>> Of course, I do not know much about
kriya yoga or ab=
out the<BR>> lineage of<BR>>> Paramahamsa
Yogananda. =
Our lineage of this life starts from<BR>> Dattatreya.
We<BR=
>>> have a special attachment to Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
=
and his<BR>> lineage and got<BR>>> a lot of our knowledge,
=
inspiration and perhaps experience from<BR>> them. We
=
do<BR>>> not have any direct link to the lineage of
Pa=
ramahamsa Yogananda.<BR>> But,<BR>>> Manish thought there
=
were some other indirect links. Moreover, he<BR>>
gues=
sed<BR>>> who I saw, even though I myself had no idea who
=
I saw, and he<BR>> guessed<BR>>> correctly. That should
=
count for something!<BR>>><BR>>> I will not be surprised
=
if there are indeed subtle connections<BR>> between<BR>>&=
gt;
several lineages that seem disjoint today.<BR>>><BR>=
>>
By the way, Swami Vivekananda also appeared in the pr=
ison cell
of<BR>> Sri<BR>>> Aurobindo (who wrote bril=
liant
commentaries on Veda and Upanishad)<BR>> and<BR>>&=
gt; imparted
him some Adwaita knowledge to Sri Aurobindo.<BR>&=
gt;><BR>>>
* * *<BR>>><BR>>> An interesti=
ng coincidence is that a
swamiji from Puri contacted<BR>> m=
e within a<BR>>> few days
after I saw that photo. His gu=
ru and Paramahamsa<BR>> Yogananda
were<BR>>> co-disci=
ples of the same guru (Yukteshwar Maharaj).
He is the<BR>> =
keeper of<BR>>> some astrological knowledge
that his gur=
u received from Yukteshwar<BR>> Maharaj.<BR>>>
He vis=
ited me after a month, discussed that knowledge and spent
a<BR=
>> day at my<BR>>> house. Thus, some small connection
=
was made with a representative<BR>> of that<BR>>> lineage
=
soon after the dream. After all, some karmik debts may<BR>> have
=
been<BR>>> there...<BR>>><BR>>> * *
=
*<BR>>><BR>>> I want to make one thing
clear.<=
BR>>><BR>>> Some things I mention like this may
gi=
ve the impression that my<BR>> guru has<BR>>> some
ps=
ychic abilities or siddhis. That may indeed be true. But
he<BR=
>> always<BR>>> downplays those things and attaches no
=
importance whatsoever. He<BR>> says,<BR>>> "Narasimha, I am
=
a useless person and lower than dirt and capable<BR>>
=
of<BR>>> nothing. It is all Her power. She is the connection
=
between every<BR>> entity in<BR>>> this universe. She may=
choose an idiot like me as an instrument<BR>>

=
sometimes<BR>>> and do something using me. I have no special
=
abilities of any<BR>> kind. Any<BR>>> coincidences you find =
are just Her grace and not due to me."<BR>>><BR>>>=

I
realized in time that this simplicity, humility and lack of=
ego<BR>> is not<BR>>> fake. I also realized that thi=

s lack
of ego is what enabled him to<BR>> do things<BR>>=
> that
sound impossible or difficult. In fact, I realized t=
hat many<BR>>
great<BR>>> saints in the past were lik=
e this. Several magical
things happened<BR>> through<BR>>=
;> them, but they did not
find any pride in them and retain=
ed their<BR>>
humility<BR>>> and sense of surrender t=
o their chosen form of
god and believed<BR>> that god<BR>&g=
t;> was the doer of all
things and they were mere instrumen=
ts.<BR>>><BR>>> The
day you also start believing t=
hat, not for the sake of<BR>>
lecturing or<BR>>> post=
uring, but from the deep cores of your
heart, your sadhana<BR>=
> will bear<BR>>>
fruit.<BR>>><BR>>> Best=
regards,<BR>>>
Narasimha<BR>>> ------------ -----=
---- --------- ---------
--------- --------- -<BR></DIV></DIV>=
>> Do a Short Homam
Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedi=
castrologer.org/homam"
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://w=
ww.VedicAst rologer.org/
homam</A><BR>>> Do Pitri Tarpan=
as Yourself: <A
href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/tarpana=
" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.o=
rg/ tarpana</A>
<DIV class=3DIh2E3d><BR>>> Spirituality:=
<A
href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom" target=
=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic=
-
wisdom</A><BR>>> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <A
=
href=3D"http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net/" target=3D_blank
=
rel=3Dnofollow>http://vedicastro. home.comcast.
net</A><=
BR></DIV>>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): <A
href=3D"=
http://www.vedicastrologer.org/" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollo=
w>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org</A><BR>>> Sri
Jagannat=
h Centre (SJC) website: <A
href=3D"http://www.srijagannath.org=
/" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.SriJagan nath.org=
</A>
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3DWj=
3C7c><BR>>> ------------ --------- ---------
--------- -=
-------- --------- - <BR>>><BR>>> -----
Original M=
essage ----- <BR>>> From: "Dinesh Nambisan"
<dinesh@.=
..><BR>>> To: <<A
href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40ya=
hoogroups.com" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ ya=
hoogroups. com</A>><BR>>>
Sent: Monday, September 29,=
2008 5:54 PM<BR>>> Subject:
[vedic-wisdom] Yogananda (R=
e:
Dharma)<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> --- In <A
=
href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank
=
rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>, "Narasimha P.V.=
R.
Rao" <pvr@><BR>>> wrote:<BR>>> ><BR>&g=
t;>
> Dear Lakshmi,<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Th=
e Yogananda I
mentioned is different. Swami Yogananda is one o=
f<BR>>> the
sixteen monastic disciples of Ramakrishna Pa=
ramahamsa, along<BR>>
with<BR>>> Swami Vivekananda. H=
e was forced to marry, but
never slept with his<BR>>> ow=
n wife. Swami Vivekananda once
said "if any of us (disciples o=
f<BR>>> Ramakrishna) conquered
lust completely and in al=
l respects, it is<BR>>> Joginder
(Swami Yogananda)". The=
re is no question of Swami<BR>>
Yogananda<BR>>> being=
accused of drinking and having women
etc.<BR>>> ><BR=
>>> > Paramahamsa Yogananda is a
sishya of Yukteshwar=
Maharaj and from<BR>> the<BR>>>
lineage of Mahavatar=
Babaji. They practice kriya yoga. I do
not<BR>> know<BR>&g=
t;> much about
him.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>=
>> For what it is
worth, you can read more about Paramah=
amsa<BR>> Yogananda
in<BR>>> his free+online
=
autobiography,<BR></DIV></DIV>>> here <A
href=3D"ht=
tp://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi"
target=3D=
_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/
Autobiog=
raphy_ of_a_Yogi</A>
<DIV class=3DIh2E3d><BR>>><BR>>&=
gt; There were interesting
links between Ramakrishna Paramaham=
sa and<BR>>> Paramahamsa
Yogananda:-<BR>>> For exa=
mple, one of the top disciples of
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa<BR>&=
gt; was<BR>>> Mahendranath Gupta
(not sure if he was one=
of the 16 monastic<BR>>> disciples
that Narasimhaji ref=
ers to) aka Master Mahasaya, who<BR>>
wrote<BR>>> "Th=
e Gospel of Ramakrishna"<BR>>> (<A
href=3D"http://en.wik=
ipedia.org/wiki/Mahendranath_Gupta" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofo=
llow>http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Mahendranath_
Gupta</A>), =
and was the<BR>>> sanskrit tutor to Paramahamsa
Yoganand=
a as well; the latter<BR>> devoted an<BR>>> entire
ch=
apter to him in his<BR>>> book :<BR></DIV>> <A
href=
=3D"http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi/Chapter_9"
=
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/
=
Autobiography_ of_a_Yogi/ Chapter_9</A>
<DIV class=3DI=
h2E3d><BR>>><BR>>> Elsewhere in his
autobiography =
Paramhamsa Yogananda also mentions<BR>>
an<BR>>> anec=
dote of a disciple to whom he gifted a silver
cup, who as a<BR=
>> young<BR>>> man was told by Swami
Vivekandana that=
the Guru in his life would<BR>>> present him
with a sil=
ver cup in the future.<BR></DIV>>> <A
href=3D"http://en.=
wikisource.org/wiki/Autobiography_of_a_Yogi/Chapter_47"
target=
Autob=
iography_ of_a_Yogi/ Chapter_47</A>
<DIV class=3DIh2E3d><BR>&g=
t;><BR>>> Makes you wonder about
the Divine connectio=
n between all these<BR>>> supremely
elevated souls!<BR>&=
gt;><BR>>> Best.<BR><BR></DIV>
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Namaste Ajit,
A really learned and elevated soul like you is asking a foo=

l like me for my view - how weird is the play of the Mother! You read shast=
ras far more thoroughly than me. I read only a little and mostly go by my i=
nstincts, words of gurus and insights from practical experience. Anyway, as=
you asked, here are my 2 cents.
The purpose of sadhana is to instill dis=

cipline and control the mind. If the wandering mind slows down, oneday ther=
e is a possibility of mind stopping completely for a little time. When that=
happens, you perceive the underlying reality that an overactive mind norma=
lly stops you from perceiving. As this happens more frequently, you are abl=
e to control your mind far better.
If you do things in a business-like at=
titude, in haste, IMHO, it is not really conducive to slowing the mind down=
and creating a useful complete/partial silence of the mind. It is very cou=
nter-productive. Before any ritual, we are expected to do praanaayaama. The=
idea is that you get as much control over breathing and hence on mind, and=
then rely on the meditation/japam/homam to take the mind further into calm=
ness.
If you are somebody who can maintain calmness of your mind even as =
you rush through some hymns in haste, then I see no problem. But, normally,=
rushing through something under time pressure destroys the calmness of the=
mind.
On the other hand, if you do not have artificial pressures to meet=

a count and go calmly as long as you can, it is more conducive to the calm=
ing down of the mind.
Thus, I strongly recommend doing japam at the pace =

that is comfortable and not detrimental to the calmness and focus of mind. =
If necessary, I recommend dumping restrictions like meeting a count. In fac=
t, in this age and time, it is probably better to not have a target count a=
t all and have a target time only. In other words, don't say "I will do thi=
s mantra for 1008 times" and instead say "I will do this mantra for 40 minu=
tes". Then, for those 40 minutes, you can focus on the mantra calmly.
Of =
course, quantity also matters. Doing japam for 4 hours everyday is definite=
ly better than half hour. But quantity without quality is useless. Very foc=
ussed meditation for half hour is better than distracted meditation for 4 h=
ours. If you can maintain the quality, then quantity starts to matter.
Be=
st regards,
Narasimha
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Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/hom=
am
Spiri=
Free Jyotish software (Windows): ht=
.SriJagannath.org
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From: Ajit Krishnan
To: Na=
rasimha P.V.R. Rao
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:47 AM
Subject: v=
edic-wisdom: quality vs quantity
namaste mahodaya,
I have a doubt th=

at I've wanted to ask for a while. Please do reply on vedic-wisdom.
Assu=
ming that one has limited time for japa (or other sadhana), which is better=
-- doing a
smaller count slowly and deliberately, or trying to do the j=
apa very quickly in order to have
a higher "count"?
Since it is navar=
atram, take devi-mahatmyam as an example -- is it better to read a few chap=
ters
slowly each day, or is it better to try and finish the parayana of a=
ll 700 shlokas at superspeed?
bhavadIyaH,
ajit
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IV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A really learned and elevated soul like you =
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asking a fool like me for my view - how weird is the play of the Mother=
! You
read shastras far more thoroughly than me. I read only a little and =
mostly go by
my instincts, words of gurus and insights from practical=
experience.
Anyway, as you asked, here are my 2 cents.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>=
e=3D2>The purpose of sadhana is to instill discipline and
control the mind=
. If the wandering mind slows down, oneday there is a
possibility of mind =
stopping completely for a little time. When that happens,
you perceive the=
underlying reality that an overactive mind normally stops you
from percei=
ving. As this happens more frequently, you are able to control your
mind f=
ar better.</FONT></DIV>
>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you do things in a business-like atti=
tude, in
haste, IMHO, it is not really conducive to slowing the mind down =
and creating a
useful complete/partial silence of the mind. It is very cou=
nter-productive.
Before any ritual, we are expected to do praanaayaama.&nb=
sp;The idea is that you
get as much control over breathing and hence on mi=
nd, and then rely on the
meditation/japam/homam to take the mind further i=
nto calmness.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you are somebody who can maintain =
calmness of
your mind even as you rush through some hymns in haste, then I=
see no problem.
But, normally, rushing through something under time press=
ure destroys the
calmness of the mind.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On the othe=
r hand, if you do not have artificial
pressures to meet a count and go cal=
mly as long as you can, it is more conducive
to the calming down of the mi=
nd.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>=
<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thus, I strongly recommend doing japam at the p=
ace
that is comfortable and not detrimental to the calmness and focus of m=
ind. If
necessary, I recommend dumping restrictions like meeting a count. =
In fact, in
this age and time, it is probably better to not have a target =
count at all and
have a target time only. In other words, don't say "I wil=
l do this mantra for
1008 times" and instead say "I will do this mantra fo=
r 40 minutes". Then, for
those 40 minutes, you can focus on the mantra cal=
mly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Of course, quantity also matters. Doing japam =
for 4
hours everyday is definitely better than half hour. But quantity wit=
hout quality
is useless. Very focussed meditation for half hour is better =
than distracted
meditation for 4 hours. If you can maintain the quality, t=
hen quantity starts to
matter.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Best
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ourself: <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam">http://www.Vedic=
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href=3D"http:/=
/www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana</A=
><BR>Spirituality:
<A
Jyotish lessons (M=
P3): <A
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<DIV>namaste mahodaya,</DIV>
<DIV>&nb=
sp;</DIV>
<DIV>I have a doubt that I've wanted to ask for a while. Please=
do reply on
vedic-wisdom.</DIV>
NT> </DIV>
<DIV>Assuming that one has limited time for japa (or othe=
r sadhana), which is
better -- doing a </DIV>
<DIV>smaller count slowl=
y and deliberately, or trying to do the japa very
quickly in order to ha=
ve </DIV>
<DIV>a higher "count"?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Since i=
t is navaratram, take devi-mahatmyam as an example -- is it better
to re=
ad a few chapters</DIV>
<DIV>slowly each day, or is it better t=
o try and finish the parayana of all
700 shlokas at superspeed?</DIV>
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Namaste,
Obviously, there are some previous samskaras that pulled you in this
direction. That is good. This is what Vimalananda alluded to, when he said
those who have the desire have no knowledge and those who have the knowledge
have no desire in this age. He also said, "if you have a deep desire to
learn something, nature will find a way to teach you that".
If you see the super-short method, you will see that it is very similar to
yours. Just add the ahutis to Prajapati, Agni etc at the beginning and at
the end. Before you call Bhairava, call Ganesha in fire and make 8 aahuties
with a simple mantra ("Om Gam Ganapataye Namah" is fine). Then call Bhairava
in fire. Make the offerings. After the ahutis to Agni, Vaayu etc, give
Poornaahuti. Basically follow the super-short procedure. It is also ok to
not do panchopachara pooja etc. You can be informal with someone you know
reasonably well.
Of course, you can continue the way you were doing also, but the additions I
am suggeting (ahutis at start/end and Ganesha) are small and worthwhile. As
(if) you make additions, do it with a positive frame of mind and do NOT
worry about past. There is a reason for everything. Just leave the past and
don't worry that you did some "mistake". It is never a mistake to worship
god in the way you know. God is always happy if you do the best job you can,
with what you know. But, as god gives you more knowledge, he may raise the
bar for you. :-)
For invoking Ganapathi or Bhairava in fire, thinking of the form in the mind
and requesting him mentally to come into the fire is sufficient.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 2:42 AM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Regarding Homa
> Dear Narasimhaji

>
> I had a question I wanted to get clarified regarding homas. It was in
> 2006 that I had been doing the japa of a certain mantra for almost the
> whole year. I had come across the mantra in a strange way, but none
> the less I kept chanting the mantra. The deity is Lord Bhairav.
>
> At the end of that year suddenly due to some events I got an chance to
> visit the kumb mela as well as the Kal Bhairav and Vatuk Bhairav
> temples in Kasi. After I came back from there, I wanted to learn how
> to do a homa, but I could not find anyone to teach me the same. So one
> day I decided on doing a homa in my own way, which I realized after
> reading your homa manuals, was ridden with innumerable mistakes.
>
> The basic procedure I followed was drawing the yantra of the deity in
> the homa kunda, then praying to my deity, Lord Ganapati and the Divine
> Mother to forgive all mistakes. And next I would straight away start
> off with the main mantra and its ahuti in fire. That used to me the
> major part of the homa. And I loved watching the peculiar behaviour of
> the fire in the homa kunda.
>
> I had done this kind of (completely wrong) homa at least ten/fifteen
> times in the last one year..
>
> After reading the homa manuals I have understood the innumerable
> mistakes that I had done in the name of doing a homa. But somehow I
> liked the experineces very much.
>
> I wanted to ask you, can I continue the way I was doing or is there
> something I need to do to rectify all the mistakes that I have
> commited till now.. Waiting for your guidance..
>
> -Regards
> Rajarshi

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Adarniya Guruji Namaste,

=A0
I had the same doubt=A0because due to time res=
triction & in the run to do more quantity I too=A0 rushed. But I was wonder=
ing whether such a speed is ok or it is better do it calmly. But then obser=
ving the Brahmins who recite the mantras at Super Super speed I thought tha=
t it may be allright as Brahmins are Supreme. I was in Dilemma. After readi=
ng you post the doubt is crystal clear & feels like the truth is being reve=
aled directly from God & no second thought on that. Your views/postings are=
a Great Blessing. Hope that many such wrong=A0practices will be corrected =
in time.
=A0
Regards
=A0
Vinayak P Tandle
--- On Sat, 10/4/08, Narasimha P=

.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrote:
From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter=

.net>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: vedic-wisdom: quality vs quantity
To: "Aj=
it Krishnan" <ajit.krishnan@...>
Dat=
e: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 10:20 PM
Namaste Ajit,
=A0
A really le=
arned and elevated soul like you is asking a fool like me for my view - how=
weird is the play of the Mother! You read shastras far more thoroughly tha=
n me. I read only a little and mostly go by my instincts, words of gurus=A0=
and insights from practical experience. Anyway, as you asked, here are my 2=
cents.
=A0
The purpose of sadhana is to instill discipline and control the=
mind. If the wandering mind slows down, oneday there is a possibility of m=
ind stopping completely for a little time. When that happens, you perceive =
the underlying reality that an overactive mind normally stops you from perc=
eiving. As this happens more frequently, you are able to control your mind =
far better.
=A0
If you do things in a business-like attitude, in haste, IMH=
O, it is not really conducive to slowing the mind down and creating a usefu=
l complete/partial silence of the mind. It is very counter-productive. Befo=
re any ritual, we are expected to do praanaayaama.=A0The idea is that you g=
et as much control over breathing and hence on mind, and then rely on the m=
editation/japam/ homam to take the mind further into calmness.
=A0
If you a=
re somebody who can maintain calmness of your mind even as you rush through=
some hymns in haste, then I see no problem. But, normally, rushing through=
something under time pressure destroys the calmness of the mind.
=A0
On th=
e other hand, if you do not have artificial pressures to meet a count and g=
o calmly as long as you can, it is more conducive to the calming down of th=
e mind.
=A0
Thus, I strongly recommend doing japam at the pace that is comf=
ortable and not detrimental to the calmness and focus of mind. If necessary=
, I recommend dumping restrictions like meeting a count. In fact, in this a=
ge and time, it is probably better to not have a target count at all and ha=
ve a target time only. In other words, don't say "I will do this mantra for=
1008 times" and instead say "I will do this mantra for 40 minutes". Then, =
for those 40 minutes, you can focus on the mantra calmly.
=A0
Of course, qu=
antity also matters. Doing japam for 4 hours everyday is definitely better =
than half hour. But quantity without quality is useless. Very focussed medi=
tation for half hour is better than distracted meditation for 4 hours. If y=
ou can maintain the quality, then quantity starts to matter.
=A0
Best regar=
ds,
Narasimha
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------=
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am
Spi=
Free Jyotish lesso=
------------ --------- --------- --------- -----=
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From: Ajit Krishn=
an
To: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao
Subj=
ect: vedic-wisdom: quality vs quantity
namaste mahodaya,
=A0
I have a do=
ubt that I've wanted to ask for a while. Please do reply on vedic-wisdom.
=
=A0
Assuming that one has limited time for japa (or other sadhana), which i=
s better -- doing a
smaller count slowly and deliberately, or trying to do=
the japa very quickly in order to have
a higher "count"?
=A0
Since it is =
navaratram, take devi-mahatmyam as an example -- is it better to read=A0a f=
ew=A0chapters
slowly each day, or is it better to try and finish the paraya=
na of all 700 shlokas at superspeed?
=A0
bhavadIyaH,
=A0
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 aj=
it
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style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Adarniya Guruji Namaste,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I had the same doubt because due to time restriction & in the run to do more
quantity I too rushed. But I was wondering whether such a speed is ok or it is
better do it calmly. But then observing the Brahmins who recite the mantras at
Super Super speed I thought that it may be allright as Brahmins are Supreme. I was
in Dilemma. After reading you post the doubt is crystal clear & feels like the
truth is being revealed directly from God & no second thought on that. Your
views/postings are a Great Blessing. Hope that many such wrong practices will be
corrected in time.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regards</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Vinayak P Tandle<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 10/4/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao
vedic-wisdom: quality vs quantity<BR>To: "Ajit Krishnan" <ajit.krishnan@...><BR>Cc:
vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 10:20 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv2065478171>
<DIV id=ygrp-text>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Namaste Ajit,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A really learned and elevated soul like you is asking
a fool like me for my view - how weird is the play of the Mother! You read shastras
far more thoroughly than me. I read only a little and mostly go by my instincts,
words of gurus and insights from practical experience. Anyway, as you asked, here
are my 2 cents.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The purpose of sadhana is to instill discipline and
control the mind. If the wandering mind slows down, oneday there is a possibility
of mind stopping completely for a little time. When that happens, you perceive the
underlying reality that an overactive mind normally stops you from perceiving. As
this happens more frequently, you are able to control your mind far
better.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If you do things in a business-like attitude, in
haste, IMHO, it is not really conducive to slowing the mind down and creating a
useful complete/partial silence of the mind. It is very counter-productive. Before
any ritual, we are expected to do praanaayaama. The idea is that you get as much
control over breathing and hence on mind, and then rely on the meditation/japam/
homam to take the mind further into calmness.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If you are somebody who can maintain calmness of your
mind even as you rush through some hymns in haste, then I see no problem. But,
normally, rushing through something under time pressure destroys the calmness of
the mind.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>On the other hand, if you do not have artificial
pressures to meet a count and go calmly as long as you can, it is more conducive to
the calming down of the mind.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thus, I strongly recommend doing japam at the pace
that is comfortable and not detrimental to the calmness and focus of mind. If
necessary, I recommend dumping restrictions like meeting a count. In fact, in this
age and time, it is probably better to not have a target count at all and have a
target time only. In other words, don't say "I will do this mantra for 1008 times"
and instead say "I will do this mantra for 40 minutes". Then, for those 40 minutes,
you can focus on the mantra calmly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Of course, quantity also matters. Doing japam for 4
hours everyday is definitely better than half hour. But quantity without quality is
useless. Very focussed meditation for half hour is better than distracted
meditation for 4 hours. If you can maintain the quality, then quantity starts to
<DIV>Best regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------ --------- --------- ---------
--------- --------- ---------<BR>Do a Short Homam Yourself: <A
nath.org</A><BR>------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
--------- <BR></DIV>
title=ajit.krishnan@... href="mailto:ajit.krishnan@..." target=_blank
rel=nofollow>Ajit Krishnan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pvr@... href="mailto:pvr@..."
target=_blank rel=nofollow>Narasimha P.V.R. Rao</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:47 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> vedic-wisdom: quality vs
quantity</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have a doubt that I've wanted to ask for a while. Please do reply on vedic-
wisdom.</DIV>
<DIV>Assuming that one has limited time for japa (or other sadhana), which is
<DIV>smaller count slowly and deliberately, or trying to do the japa very quickly
in order to have </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Since it is navaratram, take devi-mahatmyam as an example -- is it better to
read a few chapters</DIV>
<DIV>slowly each day, or is it better to try and finish the parayana of all 700
shlokas at superspeed?</DIV>
<DIV>bhavadIyaH,</DIV>
<DIV> ajit</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></
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Adarniya Narasimha Guruji Namaste,

=A0
A small doubt arose in mind. You wro=
te:
=A0
"The purpose of sadhana is to instill discipline and control the mi=
nd. If the wandering mind slows down, oneday there is a possibility of mind=
stopping completely for a little time. When that happens, you perceive the=
underlying reality that an overactive mind normally stops you from perceiv=
ing. As this happens more frequently, you are able to control your mind far=
better."
=A0
After astrological consultation people are asked to recite pa=
rticluar mantra for a ovrercoming a specific problem e.g., Marital problem/=
Debt. Here does it mean that by reciting the particular mantra the mind wi=
ll b calm & we will take better decision or it is something else. Please el=
aborate.
=A0
Regards
=A0
Vinayak P Tandle
--- On Sat, 10/4/08, Narasimha =

From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charte=
r.net>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: vedic-wisdom: quality vs quantity
To: "A=
jit Krishnan" <ajit.krishnan@...>
Da=
te: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 10:20 PM
Namaste Ajit,
=A0
A really l=
earned and elevated soul like you is asking a fool like me for my view - ho=
w weird is the play of the Mother! You read shastras far more thoroughly th=
an me. I read only a little and mostly go by my instincts, words of gurus=
=A0and insights from practical experience. Anyway, as you asked, here are m=
y 2 cents.
=A0
The purpose of sadhana is to instill discipline and control =
the mind. If the wandering mind slows down, oneday there is a possibility o=
f mind stopping completely for a little time. When that happens, you percei=
ve the underlying reality that an overactive mind normally stops you from p=
erceiving. As this happens more frequently, you are able to control your mi=
nd far better.
=A0
If you do things in a business-like attitude, in haste, =
IMHO, it is not really conducive to slowing the mind down and creating a us=
eful complete/partial silence of the mind. It is very counter-productive. B=
efore any ritual, we are expected to do praanaayaama.=A0The idea is that yo=
u get as much control over breathing and hence on mind, and then rely on th=
e meditation/japam/ homam to take the mind further into calmness.
=A0
If yo=
u are somebody who can maintain calmness of your mind even as you rush thro=
ugh some hymns in haste, then I see no problem. But, normally, rushing thro=
ugh something under time pressure destroys the calmness of the mind.
=A0
On=
the other hand, if you do not have artificial pressures to meet a count an=
d go calmly as long as you can, it is more conducive to the calming down of=
the mind.
=A0
Thus, I strongly recommend doing japam at the pace that is c=
omfortable and not detrimental to the calmness and focus of mind. If necess=
ary, I recommend dumping restrictions like meeting a count. In fact, in thi=
s age and time, it is probably better to not have a target count at all and=
have a target time only. In other words, don't say "I will do this mantra =
for 1008 times" and instead say "I will do this mantra for 40 minutes". The=
n, for those 40 minutes, you can focus on the mantra calmly.
=A0
Of course,=
quantity also matters. Doing japam for 4 hours everyday is definitely bett=
er than half hour. But quantity without quality is useless. Very focussed m=
editation for half hour is better than distracted meditation for 4 hours. I=
f you can maintain the quality, then quantity starts to matter.
=A0
Best re=
gards,
Narasimha
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -----=
---- ---------
Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ =
homam
=
Free Jyotish le=
ssons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net
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ndows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org
http://www.SriJagan nath.org
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From: Ajit Kri=
shnan
S=
ubject: vedic-wisdom: quality vs quantity
namaste mahodaya,
=A0
I have a=
doubt that I've wanted to ask for a while. Please do reply on vedic-wisdom=
.
=A0
Assuming that one has limited time for japa (or other sadhana), which=
is better -- doing a
smaller count slowly and deliberately, or trying to =
do the japa very quickly in order to have
a higher "count"?
=A0
Since it i=
s navaratram, take devi-mahatmyam as an example -- is it better to read=A0a=
few=A0chapters
slowly each day, or is it better to try and finish the para=
yana of all 700 shlokas at superspeed?
=A0
bhavadIyaH,
=A0
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
ajit
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>A small doubt arose in mind. You wrote:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"The purpose of sadhana is to instill discipline and
better."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>After astrological consultation people are asked to recite particluar mantra
for a ovrercoming a specific problem e.g., Marital problem/ Debt. Here does it mean
that by reciting the particular mantra the mind will b calm & we will take better
decision or it is something else. Please elaborate.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regards</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 10/4/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@...></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
vedic-wisdom: quality vs quantity<BR>To: "Ajit Krishnan" <ajit.krishnan@...><BR>Cc:
vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 10:20 PM<BR><BR>
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quantity</DIV>
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wisdom.</DIV>
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Namaste,
If you succeed in making your mind relatively silent, the sound =

of the mantra and energy of the deity will fill that vacuum. When your mind=
reverberates with the energy of the mantra and deity, those gunas will dri=
ve your mind and create some changes internally. Internal changes facilitat=
e some external changes.
The whole world is connected. God's divine energ=

y is present in every atom or even sub-atomic particle. When you have a des=
ire for a specific result and create mental energy (through repetition of a=
mantra) that is sufficient to break the barriers created by the previous k=
armas as represented by planetary combinations in your horoscope, nature wi=
ll remove the karmik barrier and make your desire fructify. What kind of ma=
ntras and deities have what kind of energy, what kind of karmas represented=
by horoscopic combinations create what kind of barriers and what kind of e=
nergy is needed to break them was well-understood by rishis and captured in=
a variety of works. Unfortunately, our own understanding of their teaching=
s is corrupted by the nature and quality of the times we live in.
Bottoml=
ine is: Without calming the mind down and creating some positive vibration,=
no mantra will work. If you routinely read a mantra without any devotion a=
nd with business-like spirit, hardly anything will happen. In order to get =
something from a mantra, be calm, surrender, have devotion, feel the mantra=
, imagine the form of the deity and let the mantra and its deity fill your =
mind eventually.
Those who think that they can chant a mantra hastily for=
10 min everyday and solve all their problems are kidding themselves.
Bes=
t regards,
Narasimha
------------------------------------------------------=
------------
Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homa=
m
Spirit=
uality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom
Free Jyotish lessons (MP=
3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
Free Jyotish software (Windows): htt=
p://www.VedicAstrologer.org
Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.=
SriJagannath.org
----------------------------------------------------------=
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From: vinayak tandle
To: ve=
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 2:01 PM
Su=
bject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: vedic-wisdom: quality vs quantity
A=
darniya Narasimha Guruji Namaste,
A small doubt arose in mind. You=

wrote:
"The purpose of sadhana is to instill discipline and contr=

ol the mind. If the wandering mind slows down, oneday there is a possibilit=
y of mind stopping completely for a little time. When that happens, you per=
ceive the underlying reality that an overactive mind normally stops you fro=
m perceiving. As this happens more frequently, you are able to control your=
mind far better."
After astrological consultation people are aske=

d to recite particluar mantra for a ovrercoming a specific problem e.g., Ma=
rital problem/ Debt. Here does it mean that by reciting the particular mant=
ra the mind will b calm & we will take better decision or it is something e=
lse. Please elaborate.
Regards
Vinayak P Tandle
=
=
Subject: [vedic-=
wisdom] Re: vedic-wisdom: quality vs quantity
To: "Ajit Krishnan"=
<ajit.krishnan@...>
=
Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 10:20 PM
Namaste Ajit,
=
A really learned and elevated soul like you is asking a fool like =
me for my view - how weird is the play of the Mother! You read shastras far=
more thoroughly than me. I read only a little and mostly go by my instinct=
s, words of gurus and insights from practical experience. Anyway, as you as=
ked, here are my 2 cents.
The purpose of sadhana is to instill d=

iscipline and control the mind. If the wandering mind slows down, oneday th=
ere is a possibility of mind stopping completely for a little time. When th=
at happens, you perceive the underlying reality that an overactive mind nor=
mally stops you from perceiving. As this happens more frequently, you are a=
ble to control your mind far better.
If you do things in a busin=

ess-like attitude, in haste, IMHO, it is not really conducive to slowing th=
e mind down and creating a useful complete/partial silence of the mind. It =
is very counter-productive. Before any ritual, we are expected to do praana=
ayaama. The idea is that you get as much control over breathing and hence o=
n mind, and then rely on the meditation/japam/ homam to take the mind furth=
er into calmness.
If you are somebody who can maintain calmness =

of your mind even as you rush through some hymns in haste, then I see no pr=
oblem. But, normally, rushing through something under time pressure destroy=
s the calmness of the mind.
On the other hand, if you do not hav=

e artificial pressures to meet a count and go calmly as long as you can, it=
is more conducive to the calming down of the mind.
Thus, I stro=
ngly recommend doing japam at the pace that is comfortable and not detrimen=
tal to the calmness and focus of mind. If necessary, I recommend dumping re=
strictions like meeting a count. In fact, in this age and time, it is proba=
bly better to not have a target count at all and have a target time only. I=
n other words, don't say "I will do this mantra for 1008 times" and instead=
say "I will do this mantra for 40 minutes". Then, for those 40 minutes, yo=
u can focus on the mantra calmly.
Of course, quantity also matte=

rs. Doing japam for 4 hours everyday is definitely better than half hour. B=
ut quantity without quality is useless. Very focussed meditation for half h=
our is better than distracted meditation for 4 hours. If you can maintain t=
he quality, then quantity starts to matter.
Best regards,
=
Narasimha
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------=
- --------- ---------
Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.Vedic=
Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.Ved=
icAst rologer.org/ tarpana
Spirituality: http://groups. yahoo.com=
/ group/vedic- wisdom
Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicast=
ro. home.comcast. net
Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www=
.VedicAst rologer.org
------------ --------- --------- --------- =
--------- --------- ---------

=
From: Ajit Krishnan
=
Subject: vedic-=
wisdom: quality vs quantity
namaste mahodaya,
I =
have a doubt that I've wanted to ask for a while. Please do reply on vedic-=
wisdom.
Assuming that one has limited time for japa (or other =
sadhana), which is better -- doing a
smaller count slowly and =
deliberately, or trying to do the japa very quickly in order to have
=
a higher "count"?
Since it is navaratram, take devi-mah=

atmyam as an example -- is it better to read a few chapters
slo=
wly each day, or is it better to try and finish the parayana of all 700 shl=
okas at superspeed?
bhavadIyaH,
ajit
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a specific result and create mental energy (t=
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is sufficient to break the barriers cr=
eated by the previous karmas as
represented by planetary combinations =
;in your horoscope, nature will remove
the karmik barrier and make your de=
sire fructify. What kind of mantras and
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what kind of karmas represented by horoscopic
combinations create what kin=
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themselves.</FONT></DIV>
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al; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=3Dvinayakmechie@... h=
ref=3D"mailto:vinayakmechie@...">vinayak
tandle</A> </DIV>
<DIV =
style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dvedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.c=
om
href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups=
.com</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday,=
October 04, 2008 2:01
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sub=
ject:</B> Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re:
vedic-wisdom: quality vs quantity</DIV>=
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Adarniya Narasimha G=
uruji Namaste,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>A small doubt a=
rose in mind. You wrote:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
face=3DArial size=3D2>"The purpose of sadhana is to instill
disci=
pline and control the mind. If the wandering mind slows down,
oned=
ay there is a possibility of mind stopping completely for a little
=
time. When that happens, you perceive the underlying reality that an
=
overactive mind normally stops you from perceiving. As this happens mor=
e
frequently, you are able to control your mind far better."</FONT=
></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>After astrological consultat=
ion people are asked to recite
particluar mantra for a ovrercoming=
a specific problem e.g., Marital
problem/ Debt. Here does it mean=
that by reciting the particular mantra
the mind will b calm &=
we will take better decision or it is
something else. Please elab=
orate.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regards</DIV>
<=
DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>-=
-- On <B>Sat, 10/4/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao
<I><pvr@...=
></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...><BR>Subject:

=
[vedic-wisdom] Re: vedic-wisdom: quality vs quantity<BR>To: "Ajit
=
Krishnan" <ajit.krishnan@...><BR>Cc:
vedic-wis=
dom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 10:20
PM=
<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv271689051>
=
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Namaste Ajit,</FO=
NT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A really learned and elevated soul=
like
you is asking a fool like me for my view - how weird is th=
e play of
the Mother! You read shastras far more thoroughly than=
me. I read only
a little and mostly go by my instincts, words o=
f gurus and
insights from practical experience. Anyway, as =
you asked, here are my
2 cents.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FON=
al size=3D2>The purpose of sadhana is to instill
discipline and =
control the mind. If the wandering mind slows down,
oneday there=
is a possibility of mind stopping completely for a little
time.=
When that happens, you perceive the underlying reality that an
=
overactive mind normally stops you from perceiving. As this happens
=
more frequently, you are able to control your mind far
bette=
r.</FONT></DIV>
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you do things in a busine=
ss-like
attitude, in haste, IMHO, it is not really conducive to =
slowing the
mind down and creating a useful complete/partial sil=
ence of the mind.
It is very counter-productive. Before any ritu=
al, we are expected to
do praanaayaama. The idea is that yo=
u get as much control over
breathing and hence on mind, and then=
rely on the meditation/japam/
homam to take the mind further in=
to calmness.</FONT></DIV>
> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you are somebod=
y who can maintain
calmness of your mind even as you rush throug=
h some hymns in haste,
then I see no problem. But, normally, rus=
hing through something under
time pressure destroys the calmness=
of the mind.</FONT></DIV>
T> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On the other hand=
, if you do not have
artificial pressures to meet a count and go=
calmly as long as you can,
it is more conducive to the calming =
down of the mind.</FONT></DIV>
/FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thus, I stron=
gly recommend doing japam at
the pace that is comfortable and no=
t detrimental to the calmness and
focus of mind. If necessary, I=
recommend dumping restrictions like
meeting a count. In fact, i=
n this age and time, it is probably better
to not have a target =
count at all and have a target time only. In
other words, don't =
say "I will do this mantra for 1008 times" and
instead say "I wi=
ll do this mantra for 40 minutes". Then, for those 40
minutes, y=
ou can focus on the mantra calmly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
e=3D2>Of course, quantity also matters. Doing
japam for 4 hours =
everyday is definitely better than half hour. But
quantity witho=
ut quality is useless. Very focussed meditation for half
hour is=
better than distracted meditation for 4 hours. If you can
maint=
ain the quality, then quantity starts to matter.</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
<DIV>Best regar=
ds,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------ --------- ---------
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-------- --------- ---------<BR>Do a Short Homam Yourself:
<A hr=
ef=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/homam" target=3D_blank
rel=
=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam</A><BR>Do Pitri
=
Tarpanas Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/tarpana"
=
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/
=
ahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http=
://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom</A><BR>Free
Jyotish le=
ssons (MP3): <A href=3D"http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net/"
tar=
get=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://vedicastro. home.comcast.
net=
</A><BR>Free Jyotish software (Windows): <A
href=3D"http://www.v=
edicastrologer.org/" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.V=
edicAst rologer.org</A><BR>Sri Jagannath
Centre (SJC) website: <=
A href=3D"http://www.srijagannath.org/"
follow>http://www.SriJagan
nath.org</A><BR>------------ --------=
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--------- --------- <BR></DIV>
=
=
=
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
=
title=3Dajit.krishnan@... href=3D"mailto:ajit.krishnan@gm=
ail.com"
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>Ajit Krishnan</A> </DI=
V>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dpvr@ch=
arter.net
href=3D"mailto:pvr@..." target=3D_blank rel=
=3Dnofollow>Narasimha
P.V.R. Rao</A> </DIV>
<DIV s=
tyle=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 02,
2=
008 1:47 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</=
B> vedic-wisdom: quality
vs quantity</DIV>
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R></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV>namaste mahodaya,</DI=
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<DIV>I have a doubt that I've wanted to ask for a while. Please do
=
reply on vedic-wisdom.</DIV>
<DIV>Assuming that one has limited=
time for japa (or other sadhana),
which is better -- doing a =
</DIV>
<DIV>smaller count slowly and deliberately, or trying to=
do the japa
very quickly in order to have </DIV>
=
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV=
>Since it is navaratram, take devi-mahatmyam as an example -- is
=
it better to read a few chapters</DIV>
<DIV>slowly=
each day, or is it better to try and finish the parayana
of a=
ll 700 shlokas at superspeed?</DIV>
<D=
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=A0
Thank you very much for revealing th=
e deepest truth. No doubts on that. No more words to praise you.
=A0
Regard=
s
=A0
Vinayak P Tandle
--- On Sun, 10/5/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@char=

ter.net> wrote:

Subject: [ved=
ic-wisdom] Re: vedic-wisdom: quality vs quantity
To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogrou=
ps.com
Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 2:00 AM
Namaste,
=A0
If you su=
cceed in making your mind relatively silent, the sound of the mantra and en=
ergy of the deity will fill that vacuum. When your mind reverberates with t=
he energy of the mantra and deity, those gunas will drive your mind and cre=
ate some changes internally. Internal changes facilitate some external chan=
ges.
=A0
The whole world is connected. God's divine energy is present in ev=
ery atom or even sub-atomic particle. When you have a desire for a specific=
result and create mental energy (through repetition of a mantra) that is s=
ufficient to break the barriers created by the previous karmas as represent=
ed by planetary combinations=A0in your horoscope, nature will remove the ka=
rmik barrier and make your desire fructify. What kind of mantras and deitie=
s have what kind of energy, what kind of karmas represented by horoscopic c=
ombinations create what kind of barriers and what kind of energy is needed =
to break them was well-understood by rishis and captured in a variety of wo=
rks. Unfortunately, our own understanding of their teachings is corrupted b=
y the nature and quality of the times we live in.
=A0
Bottomline is: Withou=
t calming the mind down and creating some positive vibration, no mantra wil=
l work. If you routinely read a mantra without any devotion and with busine=
ss-like spirit, hardly anything will happen. In order to get something from=
a mantra, be calm, surrender, have devotion, feel the mantra, imagine the =
form of the=A0deity=A0and let the mantra and its deity fill your mind event=
ually.
=A0
Those who think that they can chant a mantra hastily for 10 min =
everyday and solve all their problems are kidding themselves.
=A0
Best rega=
rds,
Narasimha
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From: vinayak ta=
ndle
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 =
2:01 PM

=A0
A small doubt arose in mind. Yo=
u wrote:
=A0
"The purpose of sadhana is to instill discipline and control t=
he mind. If the wandering mind slows down, oneday there is a possibility of=
mind stopping completely for a little time. When that happens, you perceiv=
e the underlying reality that an overactive mind normally stops you from pe=
rceiving. As this happens more frequently, you are able to control your min=
d far better."
=A0
After astrological consultation people are asked to reci=
te particluar mantra for a ovrercoming a specific problem e.g., Marital pro=
blem/ Debt. Here does it mean that by reciting the particular mantra the mi=
nd will b calm & we will take better decision or it is something else. Plea=
se elaborate.
=A0
Regards
=A0
Vinayak P Tandle
--- On Sat, 10/4/08, Naras=

imha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net> wrote:
From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@=

charter. net>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: vedic-wisdom: quality vs quantity=
To: "Ajit Krishnan" <ajit.krishnan@ gmail.com>

Cc: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogrou=
ps. com
Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 10:20 PM
Namaste Ajit,
=A0
A =
really learned and elevated soul like you is asking a fool like me for my v=
iew - how weird is the play of the Mother! You read shastras far more thoro=
ughly than me. I read only a little and mostly go by my instincts, words of=
gurus=A0and insights from practical experience. Anyway, as you asked, here=
are my 2 cents.
=A0
The purpose of sadhana is to instill discipline and co=
ntrol the mind. If the wandering mind slows down, oneday there is a possibi=
lity of mind stopping completely for a little time. When that happens, you =
perceive the underlying reality that an overactive mind normally stops you =
from perceiving. As this happens more frequently, you are able to control y=
our mind far better.
=A0
If you do things in a business-like attitude, in h=
aste, IMHO, it is not really conducive to slowing the mind down and creatin=
g a useful complete/partial silence of the mind. It is very counter-product=
ive. Before any ritual, we are expected to do praanaayaama.=A0The idea is t=
hat you get as much control over breathing and hence on mind, and then rely=
on the meditation/japam/ homam to take the mind further into calmness.
=A0=
If you are somebody who can maintain calmness of your mind even as you rus=
h through some hymns in haste, then I see no problem. But, normally, rushin=
g through something under time pressure destroys the calmness of the mind.
=
=A0
On the other hand, if you do not have artificial pressures to meet a co=
unt and go calmly as long as you can, it is more conducive to the calming d=
own of the mind.
=A0
Thus, I strongly recommend doing japam at the pace tha=
t is comfortable and not detrimental to the calmness and focus of mind. If =
necessary, I recommend dumping restrictions like meeting a count. In fact, =
in this age and time, it is probably better to not have a target count at a=
ll and have a target time only. In other words, don't say "I will do this m=
antra for 1008 times" and instead say "I will do this mantra for 40 minutes=
". Then, for those 40 minutes, you can focus on the mantra calmly.
=A0
Of c=
ourse, quantity also matters. Doing japam for 4 hours everyday is definitel=
y better than half hour. But quantity without quality is useless. Very focu=
ssed meditation for half hour is better than distracted meditation for 4 ho=
urs. If you can maintain the quality, then quantity starts to matter.
=A0
B=
est regards,
Narasimha
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.org/ homam
Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ ta=
rpana
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Free Jyotish softwa=
re (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org
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bsite: http://www.SriJagan nath.org
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--- --------- --------- ---------

From: Aj=
it Krishnan
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:4=
7 AM
Subject: vedic-wisdom: quality vs quantity
namaste mahodaya,
=A0
I =
have a doubt that I've wanted to ask for a while. Please do reply on vedic-=
wisdom.
=A0
Assuming that one has limited time for japa (or other sadhana),=
which is better -- doing a
smaller count slowly and deliberately, or tryi=
ng to do the japa very quickly in order to have
a higher "count"?
=A0
Sinc=
e it is navaratram, take devi-mahatmyam as an example -- is it better to re=
ad=A0a few=A0chapters
slowly each day, or is it better to try and finish th=
e parayana of all 700 shlokas at superspeed?
=A0
bhavadIyaH,
=A0
=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 ajit
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thank you very much for revealing the deepest truth. No doubts on that. No
more words to praise you.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regards</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 10/5/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@...></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
vedic-wisdom: quality vs quantity<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date:
Sunday, October 5, 2008, 2:00 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv826037573>
<DIV id=ygrp-text>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If you succeed in making your mind relatively silent,
the sound of the mantra and energy of the deity will fill that vacuum. When your
mind reverberates with the energy of the mantra and deity, those gunas will drive
your mind and create some changes internally. Internal changes facilitate some
external changes.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The whole world is connected. God's divine energy is
present in every atom or even sub-atomic particle. When you have a desire for a
specific result and create mental energy (through repetition of a mantra) that is
sufficient to break the barriers created by the previous karmas as represented by
planetary combinations in your horoscope, nature will remove the karmik barrier and
make your desire fructify. What kind of mantras and deities have what kind of
energy, what kind of karmas represented by horoscopic combinations create what kind
of barriers and what kind of energy is needed to break them was well-understood by
rishis and captured in a variety of works. Unfortunately, our own understanding of
their teachings is corrupted by the nature and quality of the times we live
in.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bottomline is: Without calming the mind down and
creating some positive vibration, no mantra will work. If you routinely read a
mantra without any devotion and with business-like spirit, hardly anything will
happen. In order to get something from a mantra, be calm, surrender, have devotion,
feel the mantra, imagine the form of the deity and let the mantra and its deity
fill your mind eventually.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Those who think that they can chant a mantra hastily
for 10 min everyday and solve all their problems are kidding
themselves.</FONT></DIV>
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title=vinayakmechie@... href="mailto:vinayakmechie@..." target=_blank
rel=nofollow>vinayak tandle</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>vedic-wisdom@
yahoogroups. com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 04, 2008 2:01 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: vedic-wisdom:
quality vs quantity</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Adarniya Narasimha Guruji Namaste,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>A small doubt arose in mind. You wrote:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"The purpose of sadhana is to instill discipline and
better."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>After astrological consultation people are asked to recite particluar mantra
for a ovrercoming a specific problem e.g., Marital problem/ Debt. Here does it mean
that by reciting the particular mantra the mind will b calm & we will take better
decision or it is something else. Please elaborate.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regards</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 10/4/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@charter.
net></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Narasimha P.V.R.
Rao <pvr@charter. net><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: vedic-wisdom: quality vs
quantity<BR>To: "Ajit Krishnan" <ajit.krishnan@ gmail.com><BR>Cc: vedic-wisdom@
yahoogroups. com<BR>Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 10:20 PM<BR><BR>
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Namaste Narasimhaji,
=C2=A0
Thank you sir. You are an inspiration! I will d=
o it this time as per your instructions. May Bhairav Baba protect and bless=
you with the finest spiritual experiences.
=C2=A0
I remember an experience=
that had happened to me once, during one of my homas. I was doing the homa=
at home, I was living alone. So no one else was at home. It was around the=
time when the sun was about to set..a little fading light. As I was in the=
middle of the homa i suddenly heard very soft footsteps behind me in the r=
oom. As if someone was walking barefeet. First I thought it was the fire th=
at was making the sound. Then I tried to listen carefully as I was offering=
the ahuti in the fire, and I realised it was not the fire, but distinct fo=
otsteps right behind where I was seating! And I was living alone, the main =
door was bolted from inside, no chance any one could come into the house an=
d even impossible for anyone to be in that room where I was doing the homa.=
.I got VERY scared.
=C2=A0
Then I debated with myself whether to turn arou=
nd to see what/who was there, but immediately the sound stopped, again as I=
resumed the ahutis of the manytra in the fire it started again...clear foo=
tsteps.... this time my fear become even greater, then I contemplated in my=
mind I have two options, one is to get up and leave immediately or sit and=
continue.. I mentally started praying to Bhairav Baba saying whatever it i=
s, you are the one who should make sure nothing bad happens and I can compl=
ete the homa peacefully...I dont know anything, I am too ignorant and let m=
e complete the homa.. then I continued with the ahutis, after another fifte=
en minutes the sound stopped and everything ended peacefully, infact i felt=
very happy with the homa, the fire was energizing, everything ended well..=
. Aafter getting up from my seat I turned round and inspected the whole hou=
se, of course I could not see a thing...
=C2=A0
I still wonder what it migh=
t have been,=C2=A0 but anyway Bhairav Baba protected me..
=C2=A0
-Regards
=
=C2=A0Rajarshi
--=
- On Sat, 4/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrote:
From: Nar=
asimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Regarding H=
oma
Date: Saturday, 4 October, 2008, 10:47=
PM
Namaste,
Obviously, there are some previous samskaras that pulle=

d you in this
direction. That is good. This is what Vimalananda alluded to=
, when he said
those who have the desire have no knowledge and those who h=
ave the knowledge
have no desire in this age. He also said, "if you have a=
deep desire to
learn something, nature will find a way to teach you that"=
.
If you see the super-short method, you will see that it is very similar =
to
yours. Just add the ahutis to Prajapati, Agni etc at the beginning and =
at
the end. Before you call Bhairava, call Ganesha in fire and make 8 aahu=
ties
with a simple mantra ("Om Gam Ganapataye Namah" is fine). Then call B=
hairava
in fire. Make the offerings. After the ahutis to Agni, Vaayu etc, =
give
Poornaahuti. Basically follow the super-short procedure. It is also o=
k to
not do panchopachara pooja etc. You can be informal with someone you =
know
reasonably well.
Of course, you can continue the way you were doing =

also, but the additions I
am suggeting (ahutis at start/end and Ganesha) a=
re small and worthwhile. As
(if) you make additions, do it with a positive=
frame of mind and do NOT
worry about past. There is a reason for everythi=
ng. Just leave the past and
don't worry that you did some "mistake". It is=
never a mistake to worship
god in the way you know. God is always happy i=
f you do the best job you can,
with what you know. But, as god gives you m=
ore knowledge, he may raise the
bar for you. :-)
For invoking Ganapathi o=

r Bhairava in fire, thinking of the form in the mind
and requesting him me=
ntally to come into the fire is sufficient.
Best regards,
Narasimha
------=
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To: <vedi=
c-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 2:42 AM
Subjec=
t: [vedic-wisdom] Regarding Homa
> Dear Narasimhaji

>
> I had a question I=
wanted to get clarified regarding homas. It was in
> 2006 that I had been =
doing the japa of a certain mantra for almost the
> whole year. I had come =
across the mantra in a strange way, but none
> the less I kept chanting the=
mantra. The deity is Lord Bhairav.
>
> At the end of that year suddenly du=
e to some events I got an chance to
> visit the kumb mela as well as the Ka=
l Bhairav and Vatuk Bhairav
> temples in Kasi. After I came back from there=
, I wanted to learn how
> to do a homa, but I could not find anyone to teac=
h me the same. So one
> day I decided on doing a homa in my own way, which =
I realized after
> reading your homa manuals, was ridden with innumerable m=
istakes.
>
> The basic procedure I followed was drawing the yantra of the d=
eity in
> the homa kunda, then praying to my deity, Lord Ganapati and the D=
ivine
> Mother to forgive all mistakes. And next I would straight away star=
t
> off with the main mantra and its ahuti in fire. That used to me the
> m=
ajor part of the homa. And I loved watching the peculiar behaviour of
> the=
fire in the homa kunda.
>
> I had done this kind of (completely wrong) hom=
a at least ten/fifteen
> times in the last one year..
>
> After reading the=
homa manuals I have understood the innumerable
> mistakes that I had done =
in the name of doing a homa. But somehow I
> liked the experineces very muc=
h.
>
> I wanted to ask you, can I continue the way I was doing or is there
=
> something I need to do to rectify all the mistakes that I have
> commited=
till now.. Waiting for your guidance..
>
> -Regards
> Rajarshi
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Namaste Narasimhaji,</DIV>
<DIV> </=
DIV>
<DIV>Thank you sir. You are an inspiration! I will do it this time as =
per your instructions. May Bhairav Baba protect and bless you with the fine=
st spiritual experiences.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I remember an experi=
ence that had happened to me once, during one of my homas. I was doing the =
homa at home, I was living alone. So no one else was at home. It was around=
the time when the sun was about to set..a little fading light. As I was in=
the middle of the homa i suddenly heard very soft footsteps behind me in t=
he room. As if someone was walking barefeet. First I thought it was the fir=
e that was making the sound. Then I tried to listen carefully as I was offe=
ring the ahuti in the fire, and I realised it was not the fire, but distinc=
t footsteps right behind where I was seating! And I was living alone, the m=
ain door was bolted from inside, no chance any one could come into the hous=
e and even impossible for anyone to be in that room where I was doing the h=
oma..I got VERY scared. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Then I debated with m=
yself whether to turn around to see what/who was there, but immediately the=
sound stopped, again as I resumed the ahutis of the manytra in the fire it=
started again...clear footsteps.... this time my fear become even greater,=
then I contemplated in my mind I have two options, one is to get up and le=
ave immediately or sit and continue.. I mentally started praying to Bhairav=
Baba saying whatever it is, you are the one who should make sure nothing b=
ad happens and I can complete the homa peacefully...I dont know anything, I=
am too ignorant and let me complete the homa.. then I continued with the a=
hutis, after another fifteen minutes the sound stopped and everything ended=
peacefully, infact i felt very happy with the homa, the fire was energizin=
g, everything ended well... Aafter getting up from my seat I turned round a=
nd inspected the whole house, of course I could not see a thing...</DIV>
<D=
IV> </DIV>
<DIV>I still wonder what it might have been, but anyw=
ay Bhairav Baba protected me..</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
=
<DIV><EM><STRONG>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal>=
<STRONG><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">=
"This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV>=
</STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 4/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I=
><pvr@...></I></B> wrote:<BR>
FT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Nar=
asimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Re=
garding Homa<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Saturday, 4 Octob=
er, 2008, 10:47 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv644236367>
<DI=
V>Namaste,<BR><BR>Obviously, there are some previous samskaras that pulled =
you in this <BR>direction. That is good. This is what Vimalananda alluded t=
o, when he said <BR>those who have the desire have no knowledge and those w=
ho have the knowledge <BR>have no desire in this age. He also said, "if you=
have a deep desire to <BR>learn something, nature will find a way to teach=
you that".<BR><BR>If you see the super-short method, you will see that it =
is very similar to <BR>yours. Just add the ahutis to Prajapati, Agni etc at=
the beginning and at <BR>the end. Before you call Bhairava, call Ganesha i=
n fire and make 8 aahuties <BR>with a simple mantra ("Om Gam Ganapataye Nam=
ah" is fine). Then call Bhairava <BR>in fire. Make the offerings. After the=
ahutis to Agni, Vaayu etc, give <BR>Poornaahuti. Basically follow the supe=
r-short procedure. It is also ok to <BR>not do panchopachara pooja etc. You=
can be informal with someone you know <BR>reasonably
well.<BR><BR>Of cour=
se, you can continue the way you were doing also, but the additions I <BR>a=
m suggeting (ahutis at start/end and Ganesha) are small and worthwhile. As =
<BR>(if) you make additions, do it with a positive frame of mind and do NOT=
<BR>worry about past. There is a reason for everything. Just leave the pas=
t and <BR>don't worry that you did some "mistake". It is never a mistake to=
worship <BR>god in the way you know. God is always happy if you do the bes=
t job you can, <BR>with what you know. But, as god gives you more knowledge=
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Namaskar Mitesh,
I have a link with rajkot and have heard about Shri Ranchh=
oddasji but nobody in Rajkot have mentioned his age being 100 + Years! He w=
as much admired for running the Charity activities during famine around 197=
0,especially saving Cows and cattle from starvation.In my very young age I =
was sometimes confusing Acharya Vinoba Bhave and Sri ranchhoddasji Bapu as =
they had similar style of covering heads and both were bespectacled ....
Th=
ough I stayed at Rajkot from birth to 22 years of age I never had his Darsh=
an,in person.Strange are the ways of Ishwara !!
Pranams to the divine in =

us !
Amit
=A0 =A0
--- On Sat, 10/4/08, m540i98 <m540i98@...> wrote:=
From: m540i98 <m540i98@...>

Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Paramhans Yo=
gananda's Lineage
Date: Saturday, October =
4, 2008, 10:49 AM
Hello Dilip
Wow you have meet him? very good, if you ca=

n get access to these books
please read them, these are good books. I since=
rely encourage you and
than come back with more information.
He gave diff=
erent types of initiations based on the state of
sadhaka. he gave kriya yo=
ga to very few discples explicitly.
He mostly gave rama mantra and then exp=
lained how to do prananyams.
Only one that I read about was a guy name jhad=
avjibhai in rajkot, who
did kriya yoga and was very advanced sadhaka.
He =
is the guru of all of my family members on my fathers side, except
for me =
and some of my younger siblings. He used to visit our home
too, however no=
body in my home knew about this too.
Best Regards
Mitesh
--- In vedic-wi=
sdom@yahoogroups.com, Dilip Bhatt <dbhatt4651@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Mitesh,=
> Ranchod dasji mahaaj and Babaji are two different entities.=A0 I have
m=
et Ranchhod dasji maharaj.=A0 But Babaji described in Yogananda's book
and=
person described in the book you are refering are not the same.=A0
> Baba=
ji is also known as Mahavtar Babaji.=A0 Guru of Swami Ram of
Hrdware was k=
nown as Bengali Baba.=A0 A well known saint.
> Leanage describe here is of =
Kriya Yoga.=A0 Mahvtar Babaji gave diksha
to Lahiri mahashay.=A0 Shri Yukt=
eshwar giri is disiple of Lahiri
Mahashay.=A0 Yoga nanada is shisya of Yuk=
teshwar giri.
> Dilip
>
> --- On Fri, 10/3/08, m540i98 <m540i98@...> wrote=
:
>
> From: m540i98 <m540i98@...>
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Paramhans =
Yogananda's Lineage
> Date: Friday, Octo=
ber 3, 2008, 8:05 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Karthi
> The books that I hav=
e mentioned are as follows:
>
> Shri Gurudev ki sannidhi me
> By Kumari Ku=
mudini Paramanand Panjwani
>
> She has covered in the books from 1950 to 1=
973 over the six volumes
> In volume 1 he himself indicates the lineage.
>=
I have read vol 1 to vol 6, it appears they started publishing in
> 1980s=
.
>
> In Vol 3 on page 239 he discusses about Lahiri Mahashaya.
> He also =
indicated there that all the story described in Paramhans
> Yogananda's bo=
ok about the surrondings at the time of Lahiri
> Mahashaya's initiation ar=
e not true. He also has indicated that he
> never physically met Yogananda=
, always they met in Samadhi state.
>
> These are very good books with lot=
s of knowledge and practical
things
> with good scientific explanation of=
many aspects of vedas, yoga,
etc.
>
> One can get this books at followin=
g places
>
> 1) Shri Sadguru Sadan Trust Ashram
> Kuvadvaa Road Rajkot, Gu=
jarat, India 360003
> Mafatlal house
> B=
ack bay reclamation
> Bombay 400020
> 3) Shri Ramdham Trust
> Phuskar, Raja=
sthan
> Janki Kund
> Chitrakut, UP, Indi=
a 210204
>
> Over and above this there are other books too like "Sudha
>=
Sarita", "Manav Drasti" etc.
>
> Hope this clarifies your query
>
> Best=
Regards
> Mitesh
> --- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, sivasankara nara=
yanan
> <seshasiva@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mitesh,
> > =A0
> > Would you pl=
ease share the source of the information that you
have
> provided?. thank=
you
> > =A0
> > Regards
> > Karthi
> >
> > --- On Sat, 10/4/08, m540i98 <=
m540i98@ > wrote:
> >
> > From: m540i98 <m540i98@ >
> > Subject: [vedic-wi=
sdom] Paramhans Yogananda's Lineage
> > To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com
=
> > Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 2:26 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
=
> > Namaste
> >
> > Recently I saw some postings and thought I would share=
some
> > information about Paramhans Yogananda's lineage.
> >
> > Many a=
lready know that Swamiji's ( Paramahans Yogaanda) was a
> direct
> > disc=
iple of Shri Yukteshwar Maharaj a disciple of Shri Lahiri
> > Mahashaya.
>=
>
> > As per his book Lahiri Mahashaya was a disciple of Babaji.
> > Baba=
ji lived in India in physical body till 1973. He took
> > Maha samadhi in B=
ombay and his Samadhi is located in Phuskar
> > Rajasthan.
> >
> > Babaji=
is also know as Ranchod Dasji Maharaj, Paramhans of
> Chirtakut
> > and =
some more names too. He was a Maharatrian Deshasth brahmin by
> > birth an=
d was born in Gwailor district in MP.
> >
> > Ranchod Dasji Maharaj name w=
as given to him by his disciples in
> > Gujarat.
> >
> > He may have live=
d for 700 plus years.
> >
> > He ran away from home at a very tender age a=
nd was taken up a
> > disciple by Bala Krishna Dasji also known as Paihari=
Baba.
> > Paihari baba was also very releaized, he only drank milk and so =
the
> > name. Paihari Baba was Gujarati by birth but spoke in Hindi.
> > =
> > Paihari Baba lived in Kulu for a long time, than in Pushkar, he
was
=
> > in Pushkar when the temple of Srinathji was moved from Mathura to
> > =
Rajasthan. At that time he did a lot of seva of lord Krishna in
> > Pushka=
r.
> > After that he lived in Galtaji near jaipur in Rajasthan.
> > Babaj=
i also lived in Galtaji for about 12 years and he had the
> vision
> > of=
> >
> > It is located =
a few miles from Jaipur, there are a few temples
> there
> > near the cav=
e. I have visited this cave too.
> >
> > From Galtaji Paihari Baba moved t=
o Revasa and than to Kashmir
where
> > he lived in a place called "Rasaya=
ni Gufa".
> >
> > Paihari Baba also may have lived for 500 plus years too.=
> >
> > While at Galtaji, the Famous Tulsidas maharaj had visited Paihari=
> > Baba and give a hand written manuscipt of Ramayana.

> >
> > They bel=
ong to the Ramanandi Sampradaya who has Lord Ram and
> Goddess
> > Sita d=
evi as ishta devata. Ramanandi Sampardaya came as an
offshot
> of
> > Ra=
manuja Sampradaya.
> >
> > Babaji or Ranchod Dasji Maharaj lived for many =
years in Bengal,
> > Chitrakot and Also visited Gujarat. He also stayed in=
Kashmir.
> > One of the kings of Kashmir was a devout disciple of Paihari =
Baba.
> >
> > Both Babaji and Paihari Baba were adept in "kaya kalpa" and
=
they
> also
> > had strong connection with saints located in Tibet.
> >
=
> > Paihari Baba used to remain in samadhi at a stretch for 2 to 3
> years=
.
> > Paihari Baba as a young brahamchari served also Swami Ramananda
in
=
> > Kashi.
> >
> > Ranchoddasji Maharaj has samadhi in Pushkar, A trust in=
Rajkot,
> > Gujarat and also in Chitakut too. At these places they do
> =
charitable
> > activities.
> >
> > Ranchoddasji Maharaj had many disciple=
s but he never made anybody
> his
> > sucessor.
> >
> > A lot of books h=
ave been written by one or two lady disciples of
> > Ranchoddasji Maharaj =
and all this information written here is
> coming
> > from those books. t=
hese books are avialable in his ashrams. They
> are
> > written in Gujara=
ti and Hindi Dialect.
> >
> > These books describe Ranchoddasji Maharaj's =
teachings, his view
on
> > many things, his short speeches and kind of li=
ke biography.
> >
> > These are very good books, they describe many aspect=
s of
> spirtuality
> > in simple laymans language.
> >
> > Babaji indica=
ted that Lahiri Mahashaya was his disciple for 5
births
> > and in this bi=
rth with kriya yoga he cleared all his impressions
> and
> > was given au=
thority to guide people and initiate in kriya yoga
> after
> > relalizing=
his true nature. Like him he had another disciple in
> > Bengal too known=
as "Din bandhu" but I do not have any
information
> on
> > him.
> >
> =
> >
> > He also indi=
cated that many advanced saints from the Nath
> Sampradaya
> > also took =
birth and followed the ramanandi sampradaya to
experiance
> > more bliss.=
> >
> > My intent here is to share information and not start any
> > con=
troversies.
> >
> > If anyone needs the names of these books and also the =
address of
> > ashrams, I am very happy to provide that too.
> >
> > If t=
here is interest in more information than I shall try to
write
> > more a=
bout the lineage and the prominent saints of the lineage
too.
> >
> > I a=
lso have many pictures of Ranchoddasji Maharaj, but am not
sure
> > how t=
o load them up for you all to see.
> >
> > Happy Navratri
> >
> > Best Re=
gards
> > Mitesh
> >
>
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style="font: inherit;">Namaskar Mitesh,<br>I have a link with rajkot and have heard
about Shri Ranchhoddasji but nobody in Rajkot have mentioned his age being 100 +
Years! He was much admired for running the Charity activities during famine around
1970,especially saving Cows and cattle from starvation.In my very young age I was
sometimes confusing Acharya Vinoba Bhave and Sri ranchhoddasji Bapu as they had
similar style of covering heads and both were bespectacled ....<br>Though I stayed
at Rajkot from birth to 22 years of age I never had his Darshan,in person.Strange
are the ways of Ishwara !! <br><br>Pranams to the divine in us !<br>Amit<br>
<br><br>--- On <b>Sat, 10/4/08, m540i98 <i><m540i98@...></i></b>
wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left:
5px; padding-left: 5px;">From: m540i98
<m540i98@...><br>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Paramhans Yogananda's Lineage<br>To:
vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<br>Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 10:49
AM<br><br><pre>Hello Dilip<br><br>Wow you have meet him? very good, if you can get
access to these books<br>please read them, these are good books. I sincerely
encourage you and <br>than come back with more information.<br><br>He gave
different types of initiations based on the state of <br>sadhaka. he gave kriya
yoga to very few discples explicitly.<br>He mostly gave rama mantra and then
explained how to do prananyams.<br>Only one that I read about was a guy name
jhadavjibhai in rajkot, who <br>did kriya yoga and was very advanced
sadhaka.<br><br>He is the guru of all of my family members on my fathers side,
except <br>for me and some of my younger siblings. He used to visit our home
<br>too, however nobody in my home knew about this too.<br><br>Best
Regards<br><br>Mitesh<br><br>--- In
vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, Dilip Bhatt <dbhatt4651@...> <br>wrote:<br>><br>>
Dear Mitesh,<br>> Ranchod dasji mahaaj and Babaji are two different entities. I
have <br>met Ranchhod dasji maharaj. But Babaji described in Yogananda's book
<br>and person described in the book you are refering are not the same. <br>>
Babaji is also known as Mahavtar Babaji. Guru of Swami Ram of <br>Hrdware was
known as Bengali Baba. A well known saint.<br>> Leanage describe here is of Kriya
Yoga. Mahvtar Babaji gave diksha <br>to Lahiri mahashay. Shri Yukteshwar giri is
disiple of Lahiri <br>Mahashay. Yoga nanada is shisya of Yukteshwar giri.<br>>
Dilip<br>> <br>> --- On Fri, 10/3/08, m540i98 <m540i98@...> wrote:<br>> <br>> From:
m540i98 <m540i98@...><br>> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Paramhans Yogananda's
Lineage<br>> To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<br>> Date: Friday,
October 3, 2008, 8:05 PM<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Dear Karthi<br>>
The books that I have mentioned are as follows:<br>> <br>> Shri Gurudev ki sannidhi
me<br>> By Kumari Kumudini Paramanand Panjwani<br>> <br>> She has covered in the
books from 1950 to 1973 over the six volumes<br>> In volume 1 he himself indicates
the lineage. <br>> I have read vol 1 to vol 6, it appears they started publishing
in <br>> 1980s.<br>> <br>> In Vol 3 on page 239 he discusses about Lahiri
Mahashaya.<br>> He also indicated there that all the story described in Paramhans
<br>> Yogananda's book about the surrondings at the time of Lahiri <br>>
Mahashaya's initiation are not true. He also has indicated that he <br>> never
physically met Yogananda, always they met in Samadhi state.<br>> <br>> These are
very good books with lots of knowledge and practical <br>things <br>> with good
scientific
explanation of many aspects of vedas, yoga, <br>etc.<br>> <br>> One can get this
books at following places<br>> <br>> 1) Shri Sadguru Sadan Trust Ashram<br>>
Kuvadvaa Road Rajkot, Gujarat, India 360003<br>> 2) Shri Sadguru Seva Sangh
Trust<br>> Mafatlal house<br>> Back bay reclamation<br>> Bombay 400020<br>> 3) Shri
Ramdham Trust<br>> Phuskar, Rajasthan<br>> 4) Shri Sadguru Seva Sangh Trust<br>>
Janki Kund<br>> Chitrakut, UP, India 210204 <br>> <br>> Over and above this there
are other books too like "Sudha <br>> Sarita", "Manav Drasti" etc.<br>> <br>> Hope
this clarifies your query<br>> <br>> Best Regards<br>> Mitesh<br>> --- In vedic-
wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, sivasankara narayanan <br>> <seshasiva@ ..> wrote:<br>>
><br>> > Hi Mitesh,<br>> > <br>> > Would you please share the source of the
information that you <br>have <br>> provided?. thank
you<br>> > <br>> > Regards<br>> > Karthi<br>> > <br>> > --- On Sat, 10/4/08,
m540i98 <m540i98@ > wrote:<br>> > <br>> > From: m540i98 <m540i98@ ><br>> > Subject:
[vedic-wisdom] Paramhans Yogananda's Lineage<br>> > To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups.
com<br>> > Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 2:26 AM<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> >
<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > Namaste<br>> > <br>> > Recently I saw some postings and
thought I would share some <br>> > information about Paramhans Yogananda's
lineage.<br>> > <br>> > Many already know that Swamiji's ( Paramahans Yogaanda) was
a <br>> direct <br>> > disciple of Shri Yukteshwar Maharaj a disciple of Shri
Lahiri <br>> > Mahashaya.<br>> > <br>> > As per his book Lahiri Mahashaya was a
disciple of Babaji.<br>> > Babaji lived in India in physical
body till 1973. He took<br>> > Maha samadhi in Bombay and his Samadhi is located
in Phuskar <br>> > Rajasthan.<br>> > <br>> > Babaji is also know as Ranchod Dasji
Maharaj, Paramhans of <br>> Chirtakut <br>> > and some more names too. He was a
Maharatrian Deshasth brahmin by <br>> > birth and was born in Gwailor district in
MP.<br>> > <br>> > Ranchod Dasji Maharaj name was given to him by his disciples in
<br>> > Gujarat.<br>> > <br>> > He may have lived for 700 plus years.<br>> > <br>>
> He ran away from home at a very tender age and was taken up a <br>> > disciple by
Bala Krishna Dasji also known as Paihari Baba.<br>> > Paihari baba was also very
releaized, he only drank milk and so <br>the <br>> > name. Paihari Baba was
Gujarati by birth but spoke in Hindi.<br>> > <br>> > Paihari Baba lived in Kulu for
a long time, than in Pushkar, he <br>was
<br>> > in Pushkar when the temple of Srinathji was moved from Mathura to <br>> >
Rajasthan. At that time he did a lot of seva of lord Krishna in <br>> > Pushkar.
<br>> > After that he lived in Galtaji near jaipur in Rajasthan. <br>> > Babaji
also lived in Galtaji for about 12 years and he had the <br>> vision <br>> > of
Lord Rama in the same cave, that exists today too.<br>> > <br>> > It is located a
few miles from Jaipur, there are a few temples <br>> there <br>> > near the cave. I
have visited this cave too.<br>> > <br>> > From Galtaji Paihari Baba moved to
Revasa and than to Kashmir <br>where <br>> > he lived in a place called "Rasayani
Gufa".<br>> > <br>> > Paihari Baba also may have lived for 500 plus years too.<br>>
> <br>> > While at Galtaji, the Famous Tulsidas maharaj had visited Paihari <br>> >
Baba and give a hand written manuscipt of
Ramayana.<br>> > <br>> > They belong to the Ramanandi Sampradaya who has Lord Ram
and <br>> Goddess <br>> > Sita devi as ishta devata. Ramanandi Sampardaya came as
an <br>offshot <br>> of <br>> > Ramanuja Sampradaya.<br>> > <br>> > Babaji or
Ranchod Dasji Maharaj lived for many years in Bengal, <br>> > Chitrakot and Also
visited Gujarat. He also stayed in Kashmir.<br>> > One of the kings of Kashmir was
a devout disciple of Paihari Baba.<br>> > <br>> > Both Babaji and Paihari Baba were
adept in "kaya kalpa" and<br>they <br>> also <br>> > had strong connection with
saints located in Tibet.<br>> > <br>> > Paihari Baba used to remain in samadhi at a
stretch for 2 to 3 <br>> years.<br>> > Paihari Baba as a young brahamchari served
also Swami Ramananda <br>in <br>> > Kashi.<br>> > <br>> > Ranchoddasji Maharaj has
samadhi in Pushkar, A trust in
Rajkot, <br>> > Gujarat and also in Chitakut too. At these places they do <br>>
charitable <br>> > activities.<br>> > <br>> > Ranchoddasji Maharaj had many
disciples but he never made anybody <br>> his <br>> > sucessor.<br>> > <br>> > A
lot of books have been written by one or two lady disciples of <br>> > Ranchoddasji
Maharaj and all this information written here is <br>> coming <br>> > from those
books. these books are avialable in his ashrams. They <br>> are <br>> > written in
Gujarati and Hindi Dialect.<br>> > <br>> > These books describe Ranchoddasji
Maharaj's teachings, his view <br>on <br>> > many things, his short speeches and
kind of like biography.<br>> > <br>> > These are very good books, they describe
many aspects of <br>> spirtuality <br>> > in simple laymans language.<br>> > <br>>
> Babaji indicated that Lahiri
Mahashaya was his disciple for 5 <br>births<br>> > and in this birth with kriya
yoga he cleared all his impressions <br>> and <br>> > was given authority to guide
people and initiate in kriya yoga <br>> after <br>> > relalizing his true nature.
Like him he had another disciple in <br>> > Bengal too known as "Din bandhu" but I
do not have any <br>information <br>> on <br>> > him.<br>> > <br>> > Babaji did
meet Shri Yuteshwar Maharaj a few times.<br>> > <br>> > He also indicated that many
advanced saints from the Nath <br>> Sampradaya <br>> > also took birth and followed
the ramanandi sampradaya to <br>experiance <br>> > more bliss.<br>> > <br>> > My
intent here is to share information and not start any <br>> > controversies.<br>> >
<br>> > If anyone needs the names of these books and also the address of <br>> >
ashrams, I am very happy to
provide that too.<br>> > <br>> > If there is interest in more information than I
shall try to <br>write <br>> > more about the lineage and the prominent saints of
the lineage <br>too.<br>> > <br>> > I also have many pictures of Ranchoddasji
Maharaj, but am not <br>sure <br>> > how to load them up for you all to see.<br>> >
<br>> > Happy Navratri<br>> > <br>> > Best Regards<br>> > Mitesh<br>>
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Dear Narasimha,
When does Navratri end? It started on last Monday, September 29, 2008 and should
therefore end on Tuesday, October 7, 2008 (Nine Nights)...yet the panchang shows
that at sunrise on Wednesday, October 8 starts with Navami, so should we continue
our Navratri on Wednesday too even though it is technically the 10th day? (All
these times are based on US EST)..
Also, can anyone do the Navarna mantra, "Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundayai Vicche" or
does this require initiation?
Thanks,
Chandraprakash
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Narasimha,<br><br>When does Navratri end? It started on last Monday, September 29,
2008 and should therefore end on Tuesday, October 7, 2008 (Nine Nights)...yet the
panchang shows that at sunrise on Wednesday, October 8 starts with Navami, so
should we continue our Navratri on Wednesday too even though it is technically the
10th day? (All these times are based on US EST)..<br><br>Also, can anyone do the
Navarna mantra, "Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundayai Vicche" or does this require
initiation?<br><br>Thanks,<br>Chandraprakash<br><br>
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Namaste,
There are 11 days instead of 10 from Pratipada to Vijaya Dasami =
this time. If you look at the nights before Vijaya Dasami, then there are t=
en nights instead of nine this year. This happens sometimes.
If you live =
on US east coast, then Chaturthi comes twices on Thursday and Friday (Oct 2=
& 3). It lasted the entire Thursday and extended into Friday. Panchami was=
on Saturday (Oct 4). Shashthi was on Sunday (Oct 5). Ashtami is on Tuesday=
(Oct 8). Navami is on Wednesday (Oct 9). Dasami is on Thursday (Oct 10).
=
If one's parents did not do a proper "anna praasana" ritual (the ritual of=
first feeding of solid food to a baby) to one, should one consider oneself=
not entitled to eat any solid food? Not doing a mantra because of no initi=
ation is basically like that.
Getting initiation is good, especially if t=

he one initiating has some level of sadhana in that mantra. But it is neith=
er necessary nor sufficient for making progress in your own sadhana.
If y=
ou see my homam document, I gave an analogy for this. A millionaire may ope=
n a bank account in his son's name with a starting balance of a million dol=
lars. This is akin to a good guru initiating a sishya in a mantra. Sishya s=
tarts off by getting some of guru's attainment. But the son may waste those=
million dollars and end up with nothing. Similarly the sishya may fall and=
not achieve anything. Another person may not have anyone to give money and=
may start off with a zero bank balance but accumulate millions of dollars =
with own effort. This is akin to a person doing sadhana with a mantra witho=
ut guru and attaining some level in the mantra.
Some people hold the view=

that mantras cannot be chanted without a proper "initiation". This view is=
especially prevalent in some sections of society w.r.t. navarna mantra. Ho=
wever, I disagree with that view.
If you know the mantra (!), just chant =

it. What would an initiating guru have done for you? Perhaps he would've gi=
ven some of his attainment in the mantra to you. Well, you can do it yourse=
lf if you work hard. Or a guru would've taught you the right nyasas to be d=
one before the mantra. Well, you can get the nyasas from books too. Moreove=
r, what most people do today for nyasas is anyway just a ritual with no mea=
ning. Nyasa literally means placement. You place various sounds in various =
body parts (like the tips of various fingers, heart, top of head, eyes etc)=
. People merely act out some signals while saying the sounds. This "placeme=
nt" is actually supposed to be an internal act and it creates an ideal envi=
ronment for the repetition of mantra. Due to the external actions, what is =
supposed to occur internally does not occur in most. So the sounds end up n=
ot getting properly placed in the body. In other words, what I am trying to=
say is that most people do not know how to "place" various "sounds" in var=
ious body parts. They merely perform meaningless ritualistic actions. So, i=
f you do not know nyasas, you are not really missing much compared to other=
s who were initiated.
In my humble opinion, the most important qualificat=

ion is to have devotion and sense of surrender to Her. If you have them, yo=
u can consider yourself "highly initiated".
Best regards,
Narasimha
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.comcast.net
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l Message -----
To: vedic-wisdom@...=
m
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 11:16 PM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Nava=
ratri...
Dear Narasimha,
When does Navratri end? It started on last =

Monday, September 29, 2008 and should therefore end on Tuesday, October 7, =
2008 (Nine Nights)...yet the panchang shows that at sunrise on Wednesday, O=
ctober 8 starts with Navami, so should we continue our Navratri on Wednesda=
y too even though it is technically the 10th day? (All these times are base=
d on US EST)..
Also, can anyone do the Navarna mantra, "Om Aim Hrim Klim=
Chamundayai Vicche" or does this require initiation?
Thanks,
Chandrap=
rakash
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There are 11=
days instead of 10 from Pratipada to
Vijaya Dasami this time. If you look=
at the nights before Vijaya Dasami, then
there are ten nights instead of =
nine this year. This happens
sometimes.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you liv=
e on US east coast, then Chaturthi comes
twices on Thursday and Friday (Oc=
t 2 & 3). It lasted the entire Thursday and
extended into Friday. Panc=
hami was on Saturday (Oct 4). Shashthi was on Sunday
(Oct 5). Ashtami is o=
n Tuesday (Oct 8). Navami is on Wednesday (Oct 9). Dasami
is on Thursday (=
Oct 10).</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If one's parents did not do a proper "anna=
praasana" ritual (the ritual of first feeding of solid food to a baby) to=
one,
should one consider oneself not entitled to eat any solid food? Not =
doing a
mantra because of no initiation is basically like that.</FONT></DI=
V>
rial size=3D2>Getting initiation is good, especially if the one
initiating=
has some level of sadhana in that mantra. But it is neither necessary
nor=
sufficient for making progress in your own sadhana.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FON=
2>If you see my homam document, I gave an analogy for
this. A millionaire =
may open a bank account in his son's name with a starting
balance of a mil=
lion dollars. This is akin to a good guru initiating a sishya in
a mantra.=
Sishya starts off by getting some of guru's attainment. But the son
may w=
aste those million dollars and end up with nothing. Similarly the sishya
m=
ay fall and not achieve anything. Another person may not have anyone to giv=
e
money and may start off with a zero bank balance but accumulate millions=
of
dollars with own effort. This is akin to a person doing sadhana w=
ith a
mantra without guru and attaining some level in the mantra.</FONT></=
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>Some people hold the view that mantras cannot be
chanted=
without a proper "initiation". This view is especially prevalent in some
=
sections of society w.r.t. navarna mantra. However, I disagree with that
v=
iew.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you know the mantra (!), just chant it. Wha=
t
would an initiating guru have done for you? Perhaps he would've given so=
me of
his attainment in the mantra to you. Well, you can do it yourself if=
you work
hard. Or a guru would've taught you the right nyasas to be done =
before the
mantra. Well, you can get the nyasas from books too. Moreover, =
what most people
do today for nyasas is anyway just a ritual with no meani=
ng. Nyasa literally
means placement. You place various sounds in various b=
ody parts (like the tips
of various fingers, heart, top of head, eyes etc)=
. People merely act out some
signals while saying the sounds. This "placem=
ent" is actually supposed to be an
internal act and it creates an ideal en=
vironment for the repetition of mantra.
Due to the external actions, what =
is supposed to occur internally does not occur
in most. So the sounds end =
up not getting properly placed in the body. In other
words, what I am tryi=
ng to say is that most people do not know how to "place"
various "sounds" =
in various body parts. They merely perform meaningless
ritualistic actions=
. So, if you do not know nyasas, you are not really missing
much compared =
to others who were initiated.</FONT></DIV>
> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In my humble opinion,=
the most important
qualification is to have devotion and sense of surrend=
er to Her. If you have
them, you can consider yourself "highly initiated".=
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FO=
NT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>-------------------=
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a Short Homam Yourse=
lf: </FONT><A
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size=3D2>http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</FONT></A><BR><FONT fac=
e=3DArial
href=3D"http://w=
ww.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana"><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://www.Ved=
icAstrologer.org/tarpana</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>Spiritu=
ality: </FONT><A
href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom"><FONT=
face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom</FONT></=
A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
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Free Jyotish software (Windows): </FONT><A
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</A><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sri
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size=3D2>=
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style=3D"COLOR: white"></SPAN>Dear Narasimha,<BR><BR>When does Navr=
atri end? It
started on last Monday, September 29, 2008 and should there=
fore end on
Tuesday, October 7, 2008 (Nine Nights)...yet the panchang sh=
ows that at
sunrise on Wednesday, October 8 starts with Navami, so shoul=
d we continue our
Navratri on Wednesday too even though it is technicall=
y the 10th day? (All
these times are based on US EST)..<BR><BR>Also, can=
anyone do the Navarna
mantra, "Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundayai Vicche" or =
does this require
initiation?<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>Chandraprakash</DIV></DI=
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Subject: [ved=
ic-wisdom] Re: Navaratri...
Cc: sivacharya=
@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 6 October, 2008, 9:22 AM
Namaste,
=C2=
=A0
There are 11 days instead of 10 from Pratipada to Vijaya Dasami this ti=
me. If you look at the nights before Vijaya Dasami, then there are ten nigh=
ts instead of nine this year. This happens sometimes.
=C2=A0
If you live on=
US east coast, then Chaturthi comes twices on Thursday and Friday (Oct 2 &=
3). It lasted the entire Thursday and extended into Friday. Panchami was o=
n Saturday (Oct 4). Shashthi was on Sunday (Oct 5). Ashtami is on Tuesday (=
Oct 8). Navami is on Wednesday (Oct 9). Dasami is on Thursday (Oct 10).
=C2=
=A0
If one's parents did not do a proper "anna praasana" ritual (the ritual=
of first feeding of solid food to a baby) to one, should one consider ones=
elf not entitled to eat any solid food? Not doing a mantra because of no in=
itiation is basically like that.
=C2=A0
Getting initiation is good, especia=
lly if the one initiating has some level of sadhana in that mantra. But it =
is neither necessary nor sufficient for making progress in your own sadhana=
.
=C2=A0
If you see my homam document, I gave an analogy for this. A millio=
naire may open a bank account in his son's name with a starting balance of =
a million dollars. This is akin to a good guru initiating a sishya in a man=
tra. Sishya starts off by getting some of guru's attainment. But the son ma=
y waste those million dollars and end up with nothing. Similarly the sishya=
may fall and not achieve anything. Another person may not have anyone to g=
ive money and may start off with a zero bank balance but accumulate million=
s of dollars with own effort. This is akin to=C2=A0a person doing sadhana w=
ith a mantra without guru and attaining some level in the mantra.
=C2=A0
So=
me people hold the view that mantras cannot be chanted without a proper "in=
itiation" . This view is especially prevalent in some sections of society w=
.r.t. navarna mantra. However, I disagree with that view.
=C2=A0
If you kno=
w the mantra (!), just chant it. What would an initiating guru have done fo=
r you? Perhaps he would've given some of his attainment in the mantra to yo=
u. Well, you can do it yourself if you work hard. Or a guru would've taught=
you the right nyasas to be done before the mantra. Well, you can get the n=
yasas from books too. Moreover, what most people do today for nyasas is any=
way just a ritual with no meaning. Nyasa literally means placement. You pla=
ce various sounds in various body parts (like the tips of various fingers, =
heart, top of head, eyes etc). People merely act out some signals while say=
ing the sounds. This "placement" is actually supposed to be an internal act=
and it creates an ideal environment for the repetition of mantra. Due to t=
he external actions, what is supposed to occur internally does not occur in=
most. So the sounds end up not getting properly placed in the body. In oth=
er words, what I am trying to say is that most people do
not know how to "=
place" various "sounds" in various body parts. They merely perform meaningl=
ess ritualistic actions. So, if you do not know nyasas, you are not really =
missing much compared to others who were initiated.
=C2=A0
In my humble opi=
nion, the most important qualification is to have devotion and sense of sur=
render to Her. If you have them, you can consider yourself "highly initiate=
d".
=C2=A0
Best regards,
Narasimha
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, October 05, 2008 11:16 PM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Navaratri...
Dear N=
arasimha,
When does Navratri end? It started on last Monday, September 29,=

2008 and should therefore end on Tuesday, October 7, 2008 (Nine Nights)...=
yet the panchang shows that at sunrise on Wednesday, October 8 starts with =
Navami, so should we continue our Navratri on Wednesday too even though it =
is technically the 10th day? (All these times are based on US EST)..
Also,=
can anyone do the Navarna mantra, "Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundayai Vicche" or=
Thanks,
Chandraprakash
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;">Dear Narsimhaji, I was thinking yesterday to =
ask about Nyasas and today I saw your this mail mentioning Nyasas. Will you=
please elaborately explain about Nyasas. Whether this is necessary? What a=
ctually we have to think while doing Nyasas? Kindly guide because so far I =
know these all are simply rituals. <BR><BR><FONT face=3D"comic sans ms" col=
or=3D#212143><STRONG>Dr.Ashwin Rawal</STRONG></FONT><BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, =
6/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@...></I></B> wrote:<BR>=
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb=

(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...><B=
R>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Navaratri...<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.=
com<BR>Cc: sivacharya@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Monday, 6 October, 2008, 9:2=
2 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv2046179204>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
face=3DArial size=3D2>Namaste,</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There are 11 days=
instead of 10 from Pratipada to Vijaya Dasami this time. If you look at th=
e nights before Vijaya Dasami, then there are ten nights instead of nine th=
is year. This happens sometimes.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you live on US=
east coast, then Chaturthi comes twices on Thursday and Friday (Oct 2 &=
; 3). It lasted the entire Thursday and extended into Friday. Panchami was =
on Saturday (Oct 4). Shashthi was on Sunday (Oct 5). Ashtami is on Tuesday =
(Oct 8). Navami is on Wednesday (Oct 9). Dasami is on Thursday (Oct 10).</F=
ONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2>If one's parents did not do a proper "anna praasana" =
ritual (the ritual of first feeding of solid food to a baby) to one, should=
one consider oneself not entitled to eat any solid food? Not doing a mantr=
a because of no initiation is basically like that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
Getting initiation is good, especially if the one initiating has some level=
of sadhana in that mantra. But it is neither necessary nor sufficient for =
making progress in your own sadhana.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you see my =
homam document, I gave an analogy for this. A millionaire may open a bank a=
ccount in his son's name with a starting balance of a million dollars. This=
is akin to a good guru initiating a sishya in a mantra. Sishya starts off =
by getting some of guru's attainment. But the son may waste those million d=
ollars and end up with nothing. Similarly the sishya may fall and not achie=
ve anything. Another person may not have anyone to give money and may start=
off with a zero bank balance but accumulate millions of dollars with own e=
ffort. This is akin to a person doing sadhana with a mantra without gu=
ru and attaining some level in the mantra.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Some peo=
ple hold the view that mantras cannot be chanted without a proper "initiati=
on" . This view is especially prevalent in some sections of society w.r.t. =
navarna mantra. However, I disagree with that view.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
>If you know the mantra (!), just chant it. What would an initiating guru h=
ave done for you? Perhaps he would've given some of his attainment in the m=
antra to you. Well, you can do it yourself if you work hard. Or a guru woul=
d've taught you the right nyasas to be done before the mantra. Well, you ca=
n get the nyasas from books too. Moreover, what most people do today for ny=
asas is anyway just a ritual with no meaning. Nyasa literally means placeme=
nt. You place various sounds in various body parts (like the tips of variou=
s fingers, heart, top of head, eyes etc). People merely act out some signal=
s while saying the sounds. This "placement" is actually supposed to be an i=
nternal act and it creates an ideal environment for the repetition of mantr=
a. Due to the external actions, what is supposed to occur internally does n=
ot occur in most. So the sounds end up not getting properly placed in the b=
ody. In other words, what I am trying to
say is that most people do not kn=
ow how to "place" various "sounds" in various body parts. They merely perfo=
rm meaningless ritualistic actions. So, if you do not know nyasas, you are =
not really missing much compared to others who were initiated.</FONT></DIV>=

al size=3D2>In my humble opinion, the most important qualification is to ha=
ve devotion and sense of surrender to Her. If you have them, you can consid=
er yourself "highly initiated".</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 05, 2008=
11:16 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [vedic-wisd=
om] Navaratri...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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new roman, new york, times, serif"><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: white"></SPAN>Dear=
Narasimha,<BR><BR>When does Navratri end? It started on last Monday, Septe=
mber 29, 2008 and should therefore end on Tuesday, October 7, 2008 (Nine Ni=
ghts)...yet the panchang shows that at sunrise on Wednesday, October 8 star=
ts with Navami, so should we continue our Navratri on Wednesday too even th=
ough it is technically the 10th day? (All these times are based on US EST).=
.<BR><BR>Also, can anyone do the Navarna mantra, "Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamunda=
yai Vicche" or does this require initiation?<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>Chandrapraka=
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Hare Rama Krsna

=C2=A0
Sri Narasimha garu,
Namaskar.
Deep gratitude to have=
reassured me/us. I had started the Navaratri Puja of The Mother with Kalas=
am. As I have not been initiated into the pooja vidhanam and only had the f=
ortune of witnessing the ritualistic pooja done by my mother-in-law accordi=
ng to Sri sooktam. Unfortunately I was not a great fan of rituals then. I l=
ive abroad and downloaded the pooja vidhanam according to sri sooktam and s=
tarted my pooja. I found that it was pertaining to Durga and the shodasopac=
hara pooja and the pranapratishta. The Devi Kavacham and the Sapta sloki ar=
e also included. When I started the pooja I wondered if I could chant and p=
erform the pooja as it was a part of Saptashati. My father-in-law advised m=
e not to do it as I was not initiated. But having started and I also strong=
ly believe that Mother would not 'harm' her child=C2=A0 I have continued wi=
th Her Grace. I have always wanted to do SaptaShati parayanam during the sa=
rannaNavaratras. How can I correct my swara? As I
am not very familiar wit=
h Sanskrit and afraid of not doing it properly, is there a way? Have you a =
recorded version of the Chandipath (by you) on your website sir?
=C2=A0
Tha=
nks and regards
Nalini
=C2=A0

From: Narasi=
mha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...>
Cc: sivac=
harya@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 6 October, 2008 4:52:54 PM
Subject: [ve=
dic-wisdom] Re: Navaratri...
Namaste,
=C2=A0
There are 11 days instead of=
10 from Pratipada to Vijaya Dasami this time. If you look at the nights be=
fore Vijaya Dasami, then there are ten nights instead of nine this year. Th=
is happens sometimes.
=C2=A0
If you live on US east coast, then Chaturthi c=
omes twices on Thursday and Friday (Oct 2 & 3). It lasted the entire Thursd=
ay and extended into Friday. Panchami was on Saturday (Oct 4). Shashthi was=
on Sunday (Oct 5). Ashtami is on Tuesday (Oct 8). Navami is on Wednesday (=
Oct 9). Dasami is on Thursday (Oct 10).
=C2=A0
If one's parents did not do =
a proper "anna praasana" ritual (the ritual of first feeding of solid food =
to a baby) to one, should one consider oneself not entitled to eat any soli=
d food? Not doing a mantra because of no initiation is basically like that.=
=C2=A0
Getting initiation is good, especially if the one initiating has so=
me level of sadhana in that mantra. But it is neither necessary nor suffici=
ent for making progress in your own sadhana.
=C2=A0
If you see my homam doc=
ument, I gave an analogy for this. A millionaire may open a bank account in=
his son's name with a starting balance of a million dollars. This is akin =
to a good guru initiating a sishya in a mantra. Sishya starts off by gettin=
g some of guru's attainment. But the son may waste those million dollars an=
d end up with nothing. Similarly the sishya may fall and not achieve anythi=
ng. Another person may not have anyone to give money and may start off with=
a zero bank balance but accumulate millions of dollars with own effort. Th=
is is akin to=C2=A0a person doing sadhana with a mantra without guru and at=
taining some level in the mantra.
=C2=A0
Some people hold the view that man=
tras cannot be chanted without a proper "initiation" . This view is especia=
lly prevalent in some sections of society w.r.t. navarna mantra. However, I=
disagree with that view.
=C2=A0
If you know the mantra (!), just chant it.=
What would an initiating guru have done for you? Perhaps he would've given=
some of his attainment in the mantra to you. Well, you can do it yourself =
if you work hard. Or a guru would've taught you the right nyasas to be done=
before the mantra. Well, you can get the nyasas from books too. Moreover, =
what most people do today for nyasas is anyway just a ritual with no meanin=
g. Nyasa literally means placement. You place various sounds in various bod=
y parts (like the tips of various fingers, heart, top of head, eyes etc). P=
eople merely act out some signals while saying the sounds. This "placement"=
is actually supposed to be an internal act and it creates an ideal environ=
ment for the repetition of mantra. Due to the external actions, what is sup=
posed to occur internally does not occur in most. So the sounds end up not =
getting properly placed in the body. In other words, what I am trying to sa=
y is that most people do
not know how to "place" various "sounds" in vario=
us body parts. They merely perform meaningless ritualistic actions. So, if =
you do not know nyasas, you are not really missing much compared to others =
who were initiated.
=C2=A0
In my humble opinion, the most important qualifi=
cation is to have devotion and sense of surrender to Her. If you have them,=
you can consider yourself "highly initiated".
=C2=A0
Best regards,
Narasim=
ha
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Spirituality: =
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ct: [vedic-wisdom] Navaratri...
Dear Narasimha,
When does Navratri end? I=

t started on last Monday, September 29, 2008 and should therefore end on Tu=
esday, October 7, 2008 (Nine Nights)...yet the panchang shows that at sunri=
se on Wednesday, October 8 starts with Navami, so should we continue our Na=
vratri on Wednesday too even though it is technically the 10th day? (All th=
ese times are based on US EST)..
Also, can anyone do the Navarna mantra, "=

Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundayai Vicche" or does this require initiation?
Than=
ks,
Chandraprakash
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#407f00>Hare Rama Krsna</FONT></DIV>
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<P><FONT color=3D#407f00></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT color=3D#407f00>Sri Nar=
asimha garu,</FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=3D#407f00>Namaskar.</FONT></P>
<P><F=
ONT color=3D#407f00>Deep gratitude to have reassured me/us. I had started t=
he Navaratri Puja of The Mother with Kalasam. As I have not been initiated =
into the pooja vidhanam and only had the fortune of witnessing the ritualis=
tic pooja done by my mother-in-law according to Sri sooktam. Unfortunately =
I was not a great fan of rituals then. I live abroad and downloaded the poo=
ja vidhanam according to sri sooktam and started my pooja. I found that it =
was pertaining to Durga and the shodasopachara pooja and the pranapratishta=
. The Devi Kavacham and the Sapta sloki are also included. When I started t=
he pooja I wondered if I could chant and perform the pooja as it was a part=
of Saptashati. My father-in-law advised me not to do it as I was not initi=
ated. But having started and I also strongly believe that Mother would not =
'harm' her child I have continued with Her Grace. I have always wante=
d to do SaptaShati parayanam during the sarannaNavaratras. How
can I corre=
ct my swara? As I am not very familiar with Sanskrit and afraid of not doin=
g it properly, is there a way? Have you a recorded version of the Chandipat=
h (by you) on your website sir?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=3D#407f00></FONT>=
</P>
<P><FONT color=3D#407f00>Thanks and regards</FONT></P>
<P><FONT =
color=3D#407f00>Nalini</FONT></P>
<DIV><BR> </DIV>
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t> </DIV>
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verdana, helvetica, sans-serif"><BR>
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<BR>From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...><BR>To: vedic-wisdom@=
yahoogroups.com<BR>Cc: sivacharya@yahoogroups.com<BR>Sent: Monday, 6 Octobe=
r, 2008 4:52:54 PM<BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Navaratri...<BR><BR>
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<P>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Namaste,</FONT></DIV>=

al size=3D2>There are 11 days instead of 10 from Pratipada to Vijaya Dasami=
this time. If you look at the nights before Vijaya Dasami, then there are =
ten nights instead of nine this year. This happens sometimes.</FONT></DIV>
=
l size=3D2>If you live on US east coast, then Chaturthi comes twices on Thu=
rsday and Friday (Oct 2 & 3). It lasted the entire Thursday and extende=
d into Friday. Panchami was on Saturday (Oct 4). Shashthi was on Sunday (Oc=
t 5). Ashtami is on Tuesday (Oct 8). Navami is on Wednesday (Oct 9). Dasami=
is on Thursday (Oct 10).</FONT></DIV>
sp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If one's parents did not =
do a proper "anna praasana" ritual (the ritual of first feeding of solid fo=
od to a baby) to one, should one consider oneself not entitled to eat any s=
olid food? Not doing a mantra because of no initiation is basically like th=
at.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>=
<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Getting initiation is good, especially if the o=
ne initiating has some level of sadhana in that mantra. But it is neither n=
ecessary nor sufficient for making progress in your own sadhana.</FONT></DI=
V>
rial size=3D2>If you see my homam document, I gave an analogy for this. A m=
illionaire may open a bank account in his son's name with a starting balanc=
e of a million dollars. This is akin to a good guru initiating a sishya in =
a mantra. Sishya starts off by getting some of guru's attainment. But the s=
on may waste those million dollars and end up with nothing. Similarly the s=
ishya may fall and not achieve anything. Another person may not have anyone=
to give money and may start off with a zero bank balance but accumulate mi=
llions of dollars with own effort. This is akin to a person doing sadh=
ana with a mantra without guru and attaining some level in the mantra.</FON=
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
ce=3DArial size=3D2>Some people hold the view that mantras cannot be chante=
d without a proper "initiation" . This view is especially prevalent in some=
sections of society w.r.t. navarna mantra. However, I disagree with that v=
iew.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you know the mantra (!), just chant it. Wha=
t would an initiating guru have done for you? Perhaps he would've given som=
e of his attainment in the mantra to you. Well, you can do it yourself if y=
ou work hard. Or a guru would've taught you the right nyasas to be done bef=
ore the mantra. Well, you can get the nyasas from books too. Moreover, what=
most people do today for nyasas is anyway just a ritual with no meaning. N=
yasa literally means placement. You place various sounds in various body pa=
rts (like the tips of various fingers, heart, top of head, eyes etc). Peopl=
e merely act out some signals while saying the sounds. This "placement" is =
actually supposed to be an internal act and it creates an ideal environment=
for the repetition of mantra. Due to the external actions, what is suppose=
d to occur internally does not occur in most. So the sounds end up not gett=
ing properly placed in the body. In other words, what I am trying to
say i=
s that most people do not know how to "place" various "sounds" in various b=
ody parts. They merely perform meaningless ritualistic actions. So, if you =
do not know nyasas, you are not really missing much compared to others who =
were initiated.</FONT></DIV>
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In my humble opinion, the most impo=
rtant qualification is to have devotion and sense of surrender to Her. If y=
ou have them, you can consider yourself "highly initiated".</FONT></DIV>
<D=
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0pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [vedic-wisdom] Navaratri...</DIV>
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PAN style=3D"COLOR: white"></SPAN>Dear Narasimha,<BR><BR>When does Navratri=
end? It started on last Monday, September 29, 2008 and should therefore en=
d on Tuesday, October 7, 2008 (Nine Nights)...yet the panchang shows that a=
t sunrise on Wednesday, October 8 starts with Navami, so should we continue=
our Navratri on Wednesday too even though it is technically the 10th day? =
(All these times are based on US EST)..<BR><BR>Also, can anyone do the Nava=
rna mantra, "Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundayai Vicche" or does this require init=
iation?<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>Chandraprakash</DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DI=
V></DIV></DIV></div><br>
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Subject: Re: Navaratri...-Narasimha ji
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Nalini Bahen,
wish you and all a great Durgaashtami.
I'll put my 6 cent h=

ere if you don't mind:)
Yes, Narasimha Garu has recorded DeviMahatmya (DS)=

on his site.
http://www.vedicastrologer.org
on the main page: click on 'l=
isten to some mantra', then you'll find
link for 'Durga Saptha Sathi in mp3=
format'
------------------------------------------------------------------=
Personally, i've never worried about Swara, Mantra chanting only

after I=
nitiation, correct protocols for Puja etc... Though i very
much respect th=
ese things, i have always believed that this is not
the 'age' where one re=
ally go for all *correctness*.
The most important is Bhavana ! Devotion !.=

The almighty, The mother
knows about our very intentions and would she re=
ally care about
whether or not some body does proper rituals or not? if sh=
e needs to
make it proper then she herself will bring about the changes.
=
I would quote Thakur here. he used to say that when just uttering
Name of =
God brings tears in your eyes, know for sure that no rituals
are required =
by you.
but that's very advance stage. for most of us, ChandiPaath, Naam
J=
ap, mediatation etc.. are must to reach the stage.The only point
here is t=
hat too much concern about correctness and such things will
hamper us. the=
re will be so many people who wants to start some
sadhana but are afraid o=
f starting becuase of these things.
I congratulate you and people must bec=

ome bold like you. no wories-
the almighty will take care of everything.
o=
nce Thakur scolded the great man Mahendranaath Gupta (M) and said
that ***=
God knows that from the clay image worship, only he is being
invoked. if t=
here are any flaws in the worship, he'll himself set it
right***
personal=
ly, These ARE THE WORDS of Thakur which has given me immense
confidence. t=
his couple of sentances from the Gospel has dispelled
my many dowbts.
Shri=
Krishna didn't bother about all protcols, Royal Pomp, outer
show and Chap=
pan Bhoga of Duryodhana. instead he declined and went
to Vidur's hut and w=
ith all love partaken his Bhaji. Same with
Sudama.
One poet has narrated =

that episode in simple but beautiful words in
Hindi. it goes like this
"D=
ekhi Sudaamaa ki Deen dasha, Karuna Karake Karunaa-Nidhi roye !
Pani paratk=
o haath chhuyo nahi, Nainan ke Jal se Pagu dhoye" !!!
It means- Krishna cr=

ied looking at the condition of his poor friend
and didn't use water from =
the vessels but used his Tears to wash the
feet of Sudaamaa.
that sums up=

all.
I hope Rao garu will provide today with Technical details and
Meani=
ng behind *various Nyaasa* for the benefit of all on this
special day.
Ag=
ain wish you all a very happy Drgaashtami.
best regards,
utpal
=
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, nalini swamy <nalini2818@...>

wro=
te:
>
> Hare Rama Krsna
> =C2=A0
> Sri Narasimha garu,
> Namaskar.
> Deep g=
ratitude to have reassured me/us. I had started the
Navaratri Puja of The =
Mother with Kalasam. As I have not been
initiated into the pooja vidhanam =
and only had the fortune of
witnessing the ritualistic pooja done by my mo=
ther-in-law according
to Sri sooktam. Unfortunately I was not a great fan =
of rituals then.
I live abroad and downloaded the pooja vidhanam according=
to sri
sooktam and started my pooja. I found that it was pertaining to
D=
urga and the shodasopachara pooja and the pranapratishta. The Devi
Kavacha=
m and the Sapta sloki are also included. When I started the
pooja I wonder=
ed if I could chant and perform the pooja as it was a
part of Saptashati. =
My father-in-law advised me not to do it as I
was not initiated. But havin=
g started and I also strongly believe
that Mother would not 'harm' her chi=
ld=C2=A0 I have continued with Her
Grace. I have always wanted to do Sapta=
Shati parayanam during the
sarannaNavaratras. How can I correct my swara? =
As I
> am not very familiar with Sanskrit and afraid of not doing it
prop=
erly, is there a way? Have you a recorded version of the
Chandipath (by yo=
u) on your website sir?
> =C2=A0
> Thanks and regards
> Nalini
>
> =C2=A0
=
>
>
>
>
> From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr=
@...>
>=
Sent: Monday, 6 October, 2008 4:52:54 PM
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Nav=
aratri...
>
>
> Namaste,
> =C2=A0
> There are 11 days instead of 10 from =
Pratipada to Vijaya Dasami
this time. If you look at the nights before Vij=
aya Dasami, then
there are ten nights instead of nine this year. This happ=
ens
sometimes.
> =C2=A0
> If you live on US east coast, then Chaturthi com=
es twices on
Thursday and Friday (Oct 2 & 3). It lasted the entire Thursda=
y and
extended into Friday. Panchami was on Saturday (Oct 4). Shashthi was=
on Sunday (Oct 5). Ashtami is on Tuesday (Oct 8). Navami is on

Wednesday=
(Oct 9). Dasami is on Thursday (Oct 10).
> =C2=A0
> If one's parents did n=
ot do a proper "anna praasana" ritual (the
ritual of first feeding of soli=
d food to a baby) to one, should one
consider oneself not entitled to eat =
any solid food? Not doing a
mantra because of no initiation is basically l=
ike that.
> =C2=A0
> Getting initiation is good, especially if the one init=
iating has
some level of sadhana in that mantra. But it is neither necessa=
ry
nor sufficient for making progress in your own sadhana.
> =C2=A0
> If y=
ou see my homam document, I gave an analogy for this. A
millionaire may op=
en a bank account in his son's name with a
starting balance of a million d=
ollars. This is akin to a good guru
initiating a sishya in a mantra. Sishy=
a starts off by getting some
of guru's attainment. But the son may waste t=
hose million dollars
and end up with nothing. Similarly the sishya may fal=
l and not
achieve anything. Another person may not have anyone to give mon=
ey
and may start off with a zero bank balance but accumulate millions
of =
dollars with own effort. This is akin to=C2=A0a person doing sadhana
with =
a mantra without guru and attaining some level in the mantra.
> =C2=A0
> So=
me people hold the view that mantras cannot be chanted without a
proper "i=
nitiation" . This view is especially prevalent in some
sections of society=
w.r.t. navarna mantra. However, I disagree with
that view.
> =C2=A0
> If =
you know the mantra (!), just chant it. What would an
initiating guru have=
done for you? Perhaps he would've given some of
his attainment in the man=
tra to you. Well, you can do it yourself if
you work hard. Or a guru would=
've taught you the right nyasas to be
done before the mantra. Well, you ca=
n get the nyasas from books too.
Moreover, what most people do today for n=
yasas is anyway just a
ritual with no meaning. Nyasa literally means place=
ment. You place
various sounds in various body parts (like the tips of var=
ious
fingers, heart, top of head, eyes etc). People merely act out some
s=
ignals while saying the sounds. This "placement" is actually
supposed to b=
e an internal act and it creates an ideal environment
for the repetition o=
f mantra. Due to the external actions, what is
supposed to occur internall=
y does not occur in most. So the sounds
end up not getting properly placed=
in the body. In other words, what
I am trying to say is that most people =
do
> not know how to "place" various "sounds" in various body parts.
They=
merely perform meaningless ritualistic actions. So, if you do
not know ny=
asas, you are not really missing much compared to others
who were initiate=
d.
> =C2=A0
> In my humble opinion, the most important qualification is to =
have
devotion and sense of surrender to Her. If you have them, you can
co=
nsider yourself "highly initiated".
> =C2=A0
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> =
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----
-----
>=
> Do Pit=
ri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/
tarpana
> Spiritual=
ity: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom
> Free Jyotish lessons (=
MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net
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> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: ht=
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---=
------ --------- ----
-----
>
> From: Cha=
ndra Prakash
> Sent: Sunday, October=
05, 2008 11:16 PM
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Navaratri...
>
> Dear Narasim=
ha,
>
> When does Navratri end? It started on last Monday, September 29,
=
2008 and should therefore end on Tuesday, October 7, 2008 (Nine
Nights)...=
yet the panchang shows that at sunrise on Wednesday,
October 8 starts with=
Navami, so should we continue our Navratri on
Wednesday too even though i=
t is technically the 10th day? (All these
times are based on US EST)..
>
=
> Also, can anyone do the Navarna mantra, "Om Aim Hrim Klim
Chamundayai Vi=
cche" or does this require initiation?
>
> Thanks,
> Chandraprakash
>
> =
> Get the latest headlines with Yahoo!Xtra News -

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hoo.com
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Dear Narasimha,
Thank you for your guidance. I am glad that you hinted about the Navarna
Mantra...as per Swami Sivananda's writings, the Navarna Mantra is "Aim hreem kleem
chaamundaayai vichche "
http://www.dlshq.org/religions/navaratri.htm
Yet most people I have met continue to use "OM" before the mantra and still refer
it as Navarna Mantra, similar to the Siva Panchaakshari Mantra, "Namah Sivaaya"
which people commonly say is "Om Namah Sivaaya". The "OM" at the beginning of the
mantra is supposedly added to "protect" us. Could you please share your thoughts on
this topic.
Tommorrow evening, we have the Ashtami Chandi Havan and I would like to start
reciting the mantra. Is it preferable to start the mantra during the Havan itself
OR do I need to wait till the purnaahuti of the Havan and then start the mantra
chanting at the Havan Kund?
warm regards,
Chandraprakash
Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2008 11:52:54 PM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Navaratri...
Namaste,
There are 11 days instead of 10 from Pratipada to

Vijaya Dasami this time. If you look at the nights before Vijaya Dasami, then
there are ten nights instead of nine this year. This happens
sometimes.
If you live on US east coast, then Chaturthi comes

twices on Thursday and Friday (Oct 2 & 3). It lasted the entire Thursday and
extended into Friday. Panchami was on Saturday (Oct 4). Shashthi was on Sunday
(Oct 5). Ashtami is on Tuesday (Oct 8). Navami is on Wednesday (Oct 9). Dasami
is on Thursday (Oct 10).
If one's parents did not do a proper "anna

praasana" ritual (the ritual of first feeding of solid food to a baby) to one,
should one consider oneself not entitled to eat any solid food? Not doing a
mantra because of no initiation is basically like that.
Getting initiation is good, especially if the one

initiating has some level of sadhana in that mantra. But it is neither necessary
If you see my homam document, I gave an analogy for

this. A millionaire may open a bank account in his son's name with a starting
balance of a million dollars. This is akin to a good guru initiating a sishya in
a mantra. Sishya starts off by getting some of guru's attainment. But the son
may waste those million dollars and end up with nothing. Similarly the sishya
may fall and not achieve anything. Another person may not have anyone to give
money and may start off with a zero bank balance but accumulate millions of
dollars with own effort. This is akin to a person doing sadhana with a
mantra without guru and attaining some level in the mantra.
Some people hold the view that mantras cannot be

chanted without a proper "initiation" . This view is especially prevalent in some
view.
If you know the mantra (!), just chant it. What

would an initiating guru have done for you? Perhaps he would've given some of
his attainment in the mantra to you. Well, you can do it yourself if you work
hard. Or a guru would've taught you the right nyasas to be done before the
mantra. Well, you can get the nyasas from books too. Moreover, what most people
do today for nyasas is anyway just a ritual with no meaning. Nyasa literally
means placement. You place various sounds in various body parts (like the tips
of various fingers, heart, top of head, eyes etc). People merely act out some
signals while saying the sounds. This "placement" is actually supposed to be an
internal act and it creates an ideal environment for the repetition of mantra.
Due to the external actions, what is supposed to occur internally does not occur
in most. So the sounds end up not getting properly placed in the body. In other
words, what I am trying to say is that most people do not know how to "place"
various "sounds" in various body parts. They merely perform meaningless
ritualistic actions. So, if you do not know nyasas, you are not really missing
much compared to others who were initiated.
In my humble opinion, the most important

qualification is to have devotion and sense of surrender to Her. If you have
them, you can consider yourself "highly initiated".
Best
regards,
Narasimha
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
Do
Sri
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

Subject: [vedic-wisdom]
Navaratri...
Dear Narasimha,
When does Navratri end? It started on last Monday, September 29, 2008 and should
therefore end on Tuesday, October 7, 2008 (Nine Nights)...yet the panchang shows
that at sunrise on Wednesday, October 8 starts with Navami, so should we continue
our Navratri on Wednesday too even though it is technically the 10th day? (All
these times are based on US EST)..
Also, can anyone do the Navarna mantra, "Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundayai Vicche" or
Thanks,
Chandraprakash__
--0-942850501-1223349000=:89015

serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Dear Narasimha,<br><br>Thank you for your guidance. I am
glad that you hinted about the Navarna Mantra...as per Swami Sivananda's writings,
the Navarna Mantra is "<i>Aim hreem
kleem chaamundaayai vichche</i> "
<br><br>http://www.dlshq.org/religions/navaratri.htm<br><br>Yet most people I have
met continue to use "OM" before the mantra and still refer it as Navarna Mantra,
similar to the Siva Panchaakshari Mantra, "Namah Sivaaya" which people commonly say
is "Om Namah Sivaaya". The "OM" at the beginning of the mantra is supposedly added
to "protect" us. Could you please share your thoughts on this
topic.<br><br>Tommorrow evening, we have the Ashtami Chandi Havan and I would like
to start reciting the mantra. Is it preferable to start the mantra during the Havan
itself OR do I need to wait till the purnaahuti of the Havan and then start the
mantra chanting at the Havan Kund?<br><br>warm
regards,<br>Chandraprakash<br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new
york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16,
16, 255); margin: 5px 0px 5px 5px; padding-left: 5px; font-family: times new
roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From:
Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...><br>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<br>Cc:
sivacharya@yahoogroups.com<br>Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2008 11:52:54 PM<br>Subject:
[vedic-wisdom] Re: Navaratri...<br><br>
<p>
</p><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Namaste,</font></div>

<div><font size="2" face="Arial"> </font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">There are 11 days instead of 10 from Pratipada to
Vijaya Dasami this time. If you look at the nights before Vijaya Dasami, then
sometimes.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">If you live on US east coast, then Chaturthi comes
twices on Thursday and Friday (Oct 2 & 3). It lasted the entire Thursday and
extended into Friday. Panchami was on Saturday (Oct 4). Shashthi was on Sunday
(Oct 5). Ashtami is on Tuesday (Oct 8). Navami is on Wednesday (Oct 9). Dasami
is on Thursday (Oct 10).</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">If one's parents did not do a proper "anna
praasana" ritual (the ritual of first feeding of solid food to a baby) to one,
should one consider oneself not entitled to eat any solid food? Not doing a
mantra because of no initiation is basically like that.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Getting initiation is good, especially if the one
initiating has some level of sadhana in that mantra. But it is neither necessary
nor sufficient for making progress in your own sadhana.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">If you see my homam document, I gave an analogy
for
this. A millionaire may open a bank account in his son's name with a starting
balance of a million dollars. This is akin to a good guru initiating a sishya in
a mantra. Sishya starts off by getting some of guru's attainment. But the son
may waste those million dollars and end up with nothing. Similarly the sishya
may fall and not achieve anything. Another person may not have anyone to give
money and may start off with a zero bank balance but accumulate millions of
dollars with own effort. This is akin to a person doing sadhana with a
mantra without guru and attaining some level in the mantra.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Some people hold the view that mantras cannot be
chanted without a proper "initiation" . This view is especially prevalent in some
view.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">If you know the mantra (!), just chant it. What
would an initiating guru have done for you? Perhaps he would've given some of
his attainment in the mantra to you. Well, you can do it yourself if you work
hard. Or a guru would've taught you the right nyasas to be done before the
mantra. Well, you can get the nyasas from books too. Moreover, what most people
do today for nyasas is anyway just a ritual with no meaning. Nyasa literally
means placement. You place various sounds in various body parts (like the tips
of various fingers, heart, top of head, eyes etc). People merely act out some
signals while saying the sounds. This "placement" is actually supposed to be an
internal act and it creates an ideal environment for the repetition of mantra.
Due to the external actions, what is supposed to occur internally does not occur
in most. So the sounds end up not getting properly placed in the body. In other
words, what I am trying to say is that most people do not know how to "place"
various "sounds" in various body parts. They merely perform meaningless
ritualistic actions. So, if you do not know nyasas, you are not really missing
much compared to others who were initiated.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">In my humble opinion, the most important
qualification is to have devotion and sense of surrender to Her. If you have
them, you can consider yourself "highly initiated".</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Best
regards,<br>Narasimha<br>------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------
--------- ---------<br>Do
a Short Homam Yourself: </font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
href="http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam"><font size="2"
face="Arial">http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam</font></a><br><font size="2"
face="Arial">Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: </font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
href="http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana"><font size="2"
face="Arial">http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana</font></a><br><font size="2"
face="Arial">Spirituality: </font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom"><font size="2"
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face="Arial">Sri
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font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal;
font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>From:</b>
<a rel="nofollow" title="vedicstudent@..." ymailto="mailto:vedicstudent@..."
target="_blank" href="mailto:vedicstudent@...">Chandra
Prakash</a> </div>
stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="vedic-
wisdom@yahoogroups.com" ymailto="mailto:vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com"
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PM</div>
stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>Subject:</b> [vedic-wisdom]
Navaratri...</div>
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<div style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-
family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;"><span style="color:
white;"></span>Dear Narasimha,<br><br>When does Navratri end? It
started on last Monday, September 29, 2008 and should therefore end on
Tuesday, October 7, 2008 (Nine Nights)...yet the panchang shows that at
sunrise on Wednesday, October 8 starts with Navami, so should we continue our
Navratri on Wednesday too even though it is technically the 10th day? (All
these times are based on US EST)..<br><br>Also, can anyone do the Navarna
mantra, "Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundayai Vicche" or does this require
initiation?<br><br>Thanks,<br>Chandraprakash</div></div></div></blockquote>
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Namaste,
I recommend adding Om only. You can chant anytime as the havan i=

s going on.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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From: Chandra=
Prakash
Cc: sivacharya@yahoogroups.=
com
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom=
] Re: Navaratri...
Dear Narasimha,
Thank you for your guidance. I am=

glad that you hinted about the Navarna Mantra...as per Swami Sivananda's w=
ritings, the Navarna Mantra is "Aim hreem kleem chaamundaayai vichche "
=
http://www.dlshq.org/religions/navaratri.htm
Yet most people I have met=

continue to use "OM" before the mantra and still refer it as Navarna Mantr=
a, similar to the Siva Panchaakshari Mantra, "Namah Sivaaya" which people c=
ommonly say is "Om Namah Sivaaya". The "OM" at the beginning of the mantra =
is supposedly added to "protect" us. Could you please share your thoughts o=
n this topic.
Tommorrow evening, we have the Ashtami Chandi Havan and I =

would like to start reciting the mantra. Is it preferable to start the mant=
ra during the Havan itself OR do I need to wait till the purnaahuti of the =
Havan and then start the mantra chanting at the Havan Kund?
warm regards=
,
Chandraprakash

From: Narasimha P.V.R=
. Rao <pvr@...>
Cc: sivacharya=
@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2008 11:52:54 PM
Subject: [ve=
dic-wisdom] Re: Navaratri...
Namaste,
There are 11 days instead of =

10 from Pratipada to Vijaya Dasami this time. If you look at the nights bef=
ore Vijaya Dasami, then there are ten nights instead of nine this year. Thi=
s happens sometimes.
If you live on US east coast, then Chaturthi comes =

twices on Thursday and Friday (Oct 2 & 3). It lasted the entire Thursday an=
d extended into Friday. Panchami was on Saturday (Oct 4). Shashthi was on S=
unday (Oct 5). Ashtami is on Tuesday (Oct 8). Navami is on Wednesday (Oct 9=
). Dasami is on Thursday (Oct 10).
If one's parents did not do a proper =

"anna praasana" ritual (the ritual of first feeding of solid food to a baby=
) to one, should one consider oneself not entitled to eat any solid food? N=
ot doing a mantra because of no initiation is basically like that.
Getti=
ng initiation is good, especially if the one initiating has some level of s=
adhana in that mantra. But it is neither necessary nor sufficient for makin=
g progress in your own sadhana.
If you see my homam document, I gave an =

analogy for this. A millionaire may open a bank account in his son's name w=
ith a starting balance of a million dollars. This is akin to a good guru in=
itiating a sishya in a mantra. Sishya starts off by getting some of guru's =
attainment. But the son may waste those million dollars and end up with not=
hing. Similarly the sishya may fall and not achieve anything. Another perso=
n may not have anyone to give money and may start off with a zero bank bala=
nce but accumulate millions of dollars with own effort. This is akin to a p=
erson doing sadhana with a mantra without guru and attaining some level in =
the mantra.
Some people hold the view that mantras cannot be chanted wit=
hout a proper "initiation" . This view is especially prevalent in some sect=
ions of society w.r.t. navarna mantra. However, I disagree with that view.
=
If you know the mantra (!), just chant it. What would an initiating guru=
have done for you? Perhaps he would've given some of his attainment in the=
mantra to you. Well, you can do it yourself if you work hard. Or a guru wo=
uld've taught you the right nyasas to be done before the mantra. Well, you =
can get the nyasas from books too. Moreover, what most people do today for =
nyasas is anyway just a ritual with no meaning. Nyasa literally means place=
ment. You place various sounds in various body parts (like the tips of vari=
ous fingers, heart, top of head, eyes etc). People merely act out some sign=
als while saying the sounds. This "placement" is actually supposed to be an=
internal act and it creates an ideal environment for the repetition of man=
tra. Due to the external actions, what is supposed to occur internally does=
not occur in most. So the sounds end up not getting properly placed in the=
body. In other words, what I am trying to say is that most people do not k=
now how to "place" various "sounds" in various body parts. They merely perf=
orm meaningless ritualistic actions. So, if you do not know nyasas, you are=
not really missing much compared to others who were initiated.
In my hu=
mble opinion, the most important qualification is to have devotion and sens=
e of surrender to Her. If you have them, you can consider yourself "highly =
initiated".
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------ --------- ---------=
--------- --------- --------- ---------
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up/vedic- wisdom
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To: vedic-wisdo=
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Subjec=
t: [vedic-wisdom] Navaratri...
Dear Narasimha,
When does Navratr=

i end? It started on last Monday, September 29, 2008 and should therefore e=
nd on Tuesday, October 7, 2008 (Nine Nights)...yet the panchang shows that =
at sunrise on Wednesday, October 8 starts with Navami, so should we continu=
e our Navratri on Wednesday too even though it is technically the 10th day?=
(All these times are based on US EST)..
Also, can anyone do the Navar=

na mantra, "Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundayai Vicche" or does this require initi=
ation?
Thanks,
Chandraprakash
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m@yahoogroups.com</A>
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> <A title=3Dsivacharya@yahoogroups.com
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt=
arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 06, 2008 11:10
PM</DIV>
<DIV styl=
e=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re:
Navaratri.=
..</DIV>
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<DIV>Dear Narasimha,<BR><BR>Thank you for your guidance. I am glad tha=
t you
hinted about the Navarna Mantra...as per Swami Sivananda's writing=
s, the
Navarna Mantra is "<I>Aim hreem kleem chaamundaayai vichche</I> "=
<BR><BR><A
href=3D"http://www.dlshq.org/religions/navaratri.htm">http:/=
/www.dlshq.org/religions/navaratri.htm</A><BR><BR>Yet
most people I have=
met continue to use "OM" before the mantra and still refer
it as Navarn=
a Mantra, similar to the Siva Panchaakshari Mantra, "Namah
Sivaaya" whic=
h people commonly say is "Om Namah Sivaaya". The "OM" at the
beginning o=
f the mantra is supposedly added to "protect" us. Could you please
share=
your thoughts on this topic.<BR><BR>Tommorrow evening, we have the
Asht=
ami Chandi Havan and I would like to start reciting the mantra. Is it
pr=
eferable to start the mantra during the Havan itself OR do I need to wait
=
till the purnaahuti of the Havan and then start the mantra chanting at th=
e
Havan Kund?<BR><BR>warm regards,<BR>Chandraprakash<BR></DIV>
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<DIV
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 5px =
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roman,new york,times,serif">----- Original Message ----<BR>From: Narasim=
ha
P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...><BR>To: vedic-wisdom@...=
m<BR>Cc:
sivacharya@yahoogroups.com<BR>Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2008 11:=
52:54
PM<BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Navaratri...<BR><BR>
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<P></P>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Namaste,</FONT><=
/DIV>
<DIV><FONT f=
ace=3DArial size=3D2>There are 11 days instead of 10 from Pratipada to
V=
ijaya Dasami this time. If you look at the nights before Vijaya Dasami, the=
n
someti=
mes.</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you live on US east coast, then Chaturt=
hi
comes twices on Thursday and Friday (Oct 2 & 3). It lasted the en=
tire
Thursday and extended into Friday. Panchami was on Saturday (Oct 4)=
. Shashthi
was on Sunday (Oct 5). Ashtami is on Tuesday (Oct 8). Navami =
is on Wednesday
(Oct 9). Dasami is on Thursday (Oct 10).</FONT></DIV>
=
ial size=3D2>If one's parents did not do a proper "anna
praasana" ritual=
(the ritual of first feeding of solid food to a baby) to one,
should on=
e consider oneself not entitled to eat any solid food? Not doing a
mantr=
a because of no initiation is basically like that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FON=
=3D2>Getting initiation is good, especially if the one
initiating has so=
me level of sadhana in that mantra. But it is neither
necessary nor suff=
icient for making progress in your own sadhana.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT f=
>If you see my homam document, I gave an analogy
for this. A millionaire=
may open a bank account in his son's name with a
starting balance of a =
million dollars. This is akin to a good guru initiating
a sishya in a ma=
ntra. Sishya starts off by getting some of guru's attainment.
But the so=
n may waste those million dollars and end up with nothing. Similarly
the=
sishya may fall and not achieve anything. Another person may not have
a=
nyone to give money and may start off with a zero bank balance but accumula=
te
millions of dollars with own effort. This is akin to a person do=
ing
sadhana with a mantra without guru and attaining some level in the
=
mantra.</FONT></DIV>
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Some people hold the view that mantra=
s cannot be
chanted without a proper "initiation" . This view is especia=
lly prevalent in
some sections of society w.r.t. navarna mantra. However=
, I disagree with that
view.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you know the=
mantra (!), just chant it. What
would an initiating guru have done for =
you? Perhaps he would've given some of
his attainment in the mantra to y=
ou. Well, you can do it yourself if you work
hard. Or a guru would've ta=
ught you the right nyasas to be done before the
mantra. Well, you can ge=
t the nyasas from books too. Moreover, what most
people do today for nya=
sas is anyway just a ritual with no meaning. Nyasa
literally means place=
ment. You place various sounds in various body parts
(like the tips of v=
arious fingers, heart, top of head, eyes etc). People
merely act out som=
e signals while saying the sounds. This "placement" is
actually supposed=
to be an internal act and it creates an ideal environment
for the repet=
ition of mantra. Due to the external actions, what is supposed to
occur =
internally does not occur in most. So the sounds end up not getting
prop=
erly placed in the body. In other words, what I am trying to say is that
=
most people do not know how to "place" various "sounds" in various body pa=
rts.
They merely perform meaningless ritualistic actions. So, if you do =
not know
nyasas, you are not really missing much compared to others who =
were
initiated.</FONT></DIV>
nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In my humble opinion, the mo=
st important
qualification is to have devotion and sense of surrender to=
Her. If you have
them, you can consider yourself "highly initiated".</F=
ONT></DIV>
<DIV><F=
ONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------
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rologer.org/ homam</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Do Pitri=
Tarpanas
Yourself: </FONT><A href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tar=
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normal; x-system-font: none"><B>Sent:</B>
Sunday, October 05, 2008 11:=
16 PM</DIV>
<DIV
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; font-stretch: normal; x-system-font: none"><B>Subject:</B>
[vedic-wi=
sdom] Navaratri...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV
style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,new york,times,serif">
<DIV
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<DIV
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solid; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,new york,times,serif"><SPAN
style=
=3D"COLOR: white"></SPAN>Dear Narasimha,<BR><BR>When does Navratri end?
=
It started on last Monday, September 29, 2008 and should therefore end on=
Tuesday, October 7, 2008 (Nine Nights)...yet the panchang shows that =

at
sunrise on Wednesday, October 8 starts with Navami, so should we co=
ntinue
our Navratri on Wednesday too even though it is technically the=
10th day?
(All these times are based on US EST)..<BR><BR>Also, can an=
yone do the
Navarna mantra, "Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundayai Vicche" or d=
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Hare Rama Krsna,

=C2=A0
Dear Utpal Bhai,
Namaskar.
Thank you for giving me =
the privilege of adressing you as bhai,
Mine is avery funny predicament, th=
e reason I got into the ritualistic sadhana is that I notmally dont progres=
s beyond a few of Her Namas, especially Lalita Sahasranamam. Some poignant =
namas have special significance for me for not any new reason and each time=
I cant progress beyond that as I envisage the Supreme Beauty of The Mother=
. It makes me too emotional and ritualistic sadhana with proper uccharana a=
nd swaras I thought would make me go ahead in the path of sadhana. Though I=
am still confused if a moment's 'ananda' at the glimpse of the Mother's so=
undarya can be less valuable than all the sadhana...
But I still persist in=
the hope being able to try 'see' Her....
=C2=A0
Wish you=C2=A0a Happy Durg=
ashtami too,
Thanks
regards
=C2=A0
Nalini
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
----- Original=
Message ----
To: vedic-wisdom@=
yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2008 3:55:37 PM
Subject: [vedic-w=
isdom] Re: Navaratri...-Narasimha ji
Nalini Bahen,
wish you and all a gr=

eat Durgaashtami.
I'll put my 6 cent here if you don't mind:)

Yes, Narasi=
mha Garu has recorded DeviMahatmya (DS) on his site.
http://www.vedicast r=
ologer.org
on the main page: click on 'listen to some mantra', then you'll =
find
link for 'Durga Saptha Sathi in mp3 format'
------------ --------- ---=
------ --------- --------- --------- -
Personally, i've never worried abou=

t Swara, Mantra chanting only
after Initiation, correct protocols for Puja=
etc... Though i very
much respect these things, i have always believed th=
at this is not
the 'age' where one really go for all *correctness* .
The =
most important is Bhavana ! Devotion !. The almighty, The mother
knows abo=
ut our very intentions and would she really care about
whether or not some=
body does proper rituals or not? if she needs to
make it proper then she =
herself will bring about the changes.
I would quote Thakur here. he used t=

o say that when just uttering
Name of God brings tears in your eyes, know =
for sure that no rituals
are required by you.
but that's very advance stag=
e. for most of us, ChandiPaath, Naam
Jap, mediatation etc.. are must to re=
ach the stage.The only point
here is that too much concern about correctne=
ss and such things will
hamper us. there will be so many people who wants =
to start some
sadhana but are afraid of starting becuase of these things.
=
I congratulate you and people must become bold like you. no wories-
the al=
mighty will take care of everything.
once Thakur scolded the great man Mah=

endranaath Gupta (M) and said
that ***God knows that from the clay image w=
orship, only he is being
invoked. if there are any flaws in the worship, h=
e'll himself set it
right***
personally, These ARE THE WORDS of Thakur wh=

ich has given me immense
confidence. this couple of sentances from the Gos=
pel has dispelled
my many dowbts.
Shri Krishna didn't bother about all pro=
tcols, Royal Pomp, outer
show and Chappan Bhoga of Duryodhana. instead he =
declined and went
to Vidur's hut and with all love partaken his Bhaji. Sam=
e with
Sudama.
One poet has narrated that episode in simple but beautiful=

words in
"Dekhi Sudaamaa ki Deen dasha, Karuna =

Karake Karunaa-Nidhi roye !
Pani paratko haath chhuyo nahi, Nainan ke Jal s=
e Pagu dhoye" !!!
It means- Krishna cried looking at the condition of his =

poor friend
and didn't use water from the vessels but used his Tears to wa=
sh the
feet of Sudaamaa.
that sums up all.
I hope Rao garu will provide =

today with Technical details and
Meaning behind *various Nyaasa* for the b=
enefit of all on this
special day.
Again wish you all a very happy Drgaas=

htami.
best regards,
utpal
--- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, nalin=

i swamy <nalini2818@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Hare Rama Krsna
> =C3=82=C2=A0
> Sri =
Narasimha garu,
> Namaskar.
> Deep gratitude to have reassured me/us. I had=
started the
Navaratri Puja of The Mother with Kalasam. As I have not been=
initiated into the pooja vidhanam and only had the fortune of
witnessing=
the ritualistic pooja done by my mother-in-law according
to Sri sooktam. =
Unfortunately I was not a great fan of rituals then.
I live abroad and dow=
nloaded the pooja vidhanam according to sri
sooktam and started my pooja. =
I found that it was pertaining to
Durga and the shodasopachara pooja and t=
he pranapratishta. The Devi
Kavacham and the Sapta sloki are also included=
. When I started the
pooja I wondered if I could chant and perform the poo=
ja as it was a
part of Saptashati. My father-in-law advised me not to do i=
t as I
was not initiated. But having started and I also strongly believe
=
that Mother would not 'harm' her child=C3=82=C2=A0 I have continued with He=
r
Grace. I have always wanted to do SaptaShati parayanam during the
saran=
naNavaratras. How can I correct my swara? As I
> am not very familiar with =
Sanskrit and afraid of not doing it
properly, is there a way? Have you a r=
ecorded version of the
Chandipath (by you) on your website sir?
> =C3=82=
=C2=A0
> Nalini
>
> =C3=82=C2=A0
>
>
>
>
> ----- =
Original Message ----
> To: vedic-wi=
sdom@ yahoogroups. com
> Cc: sivacharya@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Monday, 6 =
October, 2008 4:52:54 PM
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Navaratri...
>
>
>=
Namaste,
> =C3=82=C2=A0
> There are 11 days instead of 10 from Pratipada t=
o Vijaya Dasami
this time. If you look at the nights before Vijaya Dasami,=
then
someti=
mes.
> =C3=82=C2=A0
> If you live on US east coast, then Chaturthi comes tw=
ices on
Thursday and Friday (Oct 2 & 3). It lasted the entire Thursday and=
extended into Friday. Panchami was on Saturday (Oct 4). Shashthi was
on =
Sunday (Oct 5). Ashtami is on Tuesday (Oct 8). Navami is on
Wednesday (Oct=
9). Dasami is on Thursday (Oct 10).
> =C3=82=C2=A0
> If one's parents did =
not do a proper "anna praasana" ritual (the
ritual of first feeding of sol=
id food to a baby) to one, should one
consider oneself not entitled to eat=
any solid food? Not doing a
mantra because of no initiation is basically =
like that.
> =C3=82=C2=A0
> Getting initiation is good, especially if the o=
ne initiating has
some level of sadhana in that mantra. But it is neither =
necessary
> =C3=82=
=C2=A0
> If you see my homam document, I gave an analogy for this. A
milli=
onaire may open a bank account in his son's name with a
starting balance o=
f a million dollars. This is akin to a good guru
initiating a sishya in a =
mantra. Sishya starts off by getting some
of guru's attainment. But the so=
n may waste those million dollars
and end up with nothing. Similarly the s=
ishya may fall and not
achieve anything. Another person may not have anyon=
e to give money
and may start off with a zero bank balance but accumulate =
millions
of dollars with own effort. This is akin to=C3=82=C2=A0a person d=
oing sadhana
with a mantra without guru and attaining some level in the ma=
ntra.
> =C3=82=C2=A0
> Some people hold the view that mantras cannot be cha=
nted without a
proper "initiation" . This view is especially prevalent in =
some
sections of society w.r.t. navarna mantra. However, I disagree with
=
that view.
> =C3=82=C2=A0
> If you know the mantra (!), just chant it. What=
would an
initiating guru have done for you? Perhaps he would've given som=
e of
his attainment in the mantra to you. Well, you can do it yourself if =
you work hard. Or a guru would've taught you the right nyasas to be
done =
before the mantra. Well, you can get the nyasas from books too.
Moreover, =
what most people do today for nyasas is anyway just a
ritual with no meani=
ng. Nyasa literally means placement. You place
various sounds in various b=
ody parts (like the tips of various
fingers, heart, top of head, eyes etc)=
. People merely act out some
signals while saying the sounds. This "placem=
ent" is actually
supposed to be an internal act and it creates an ideal en=
vironment
for the repetition of mantra. Due to the external actions, what =
is
supposed to occur internally does not occur in most. So the sounds
end=
up not getting properly placed in the body. In other words, what
I am try=
ing to say is that most people do
> not know how to "place" various "sounds=
" in various body parts.
They merely perform meaningless ritualistic actio=
ns. So, if you do
not know nyasas, you are not really missing much compare=
d to others
who were initiated.
> =C3=82=C2=A0
> In my humble opinion, the=
most important qualification is to have
devotion and sense of surrender t=
o Her. If you have them, you can
consider yourself "highly initiated".
> =
=C3=82=C2=A0
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> ------------ --------- ---------=
--------- --------- --------- ----
-----
> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http=
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www=
.VedicAst rologer.org/
tarpana
> Spirituality: http://groups. yahoo.com/ g=
roup/vedic- wisdom
> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.co=
mcast. net
> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.o=
rg
> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org
> ---=
--------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----
-----
>
=
> From: Chandra Prakash
> To: vedic-wisdom=
@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 11:16 PM
> Subject: [v=
edic-wisdom] Navaratri...
>
> Dear Narasimha,
>
> When does Navratri end?=
It started on last Monday, September 29,
2008 and should therefore end on=
Tuesday, October 7, 2008 (Nine
Nights)...yet the panchang shows that at s=
unrise on Wednesday,
October 8 starts with Navami, so should we continue o=
ur Navratri on
Wednesday too even though it is technically the 10th day? (=
All these
times are based on US EST)..
>
> Also, can anyone do the Navarn=
a mantra, "Om Aim Hrim Klim
Chamundayai Vicche" or does this require initi=
ation?
>
> Thanks,
> Chandraprakash
>
>
> Get the latest headlines with=
Yahoo!Xtra News -
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#407f00>Hare Rama Krsna,</FONT></DIV>=
<P><FONT color=3D#407f00>Dear U=
tpal Bhai,</FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=3D#407f00>Namaskar.</FONT></P>
<P><FON=
T color=3D#407f00>Thank you for giving me the privilege of adressing you as=
bhai,</FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=3D#407f00>Mine is avery funny predicament,=
the reason I got into the ritualistic sadhana is that I notmally dont prog=
ress beyond a few of Her Namas, especially Lalita Sahasranamam. Some poigna=
nt namas have special significance for me for not any new reason and each t=
ime I cant progress beyond that as I envisage the Supreme Beauty of The Mot=
her. It makes me too emotional and ritualistic sadhana with proper uccharan=
a and swaras I thought would make me go ahead in the path of sadhana. Thoug=
h I am still confused if a moment's 'ananda' at the glimpse of the Mother's=
soundarya can be less valuable than all the sadhana...</FONT></P>
<P><FONT=
color=3D#407f00>But I still persist in the hope being able to try 'see' He=
r....</FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=
=3D#407f00>Wish you a Happy Durgashtami too,</FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=
=3D#407f00>Thanks </FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=3D#407f00>regards</FONT></P>
<=
P><FONT color=3D#407f00></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT color=3D#407f00>Nalini</=
FONT></P>
<DIV><BR> </DIV>
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<DIV =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif"><BR>=
<DIV style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 5px 0px 5px 5px;=
BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, ti=
mes, serif">----- Original Message ----<BR>From: utpal pathak <vedic_pat=
hak@...><BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Sent: Tuesday, 7 O=
ctober, 2008 3:55:37 PM<BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Navaratri...-Narasim=
ha ji<BR><BR>
<P>Nalini Bahen,<BR><BR>wish you and all=
a great Durgaashtami.<BR><BR>I'll put my 6 cent here if you don't mind:)<B=
R><BR>Yes, Narasimha Garu has recorded DeviMahatmya (DS) on his site.<BR><B=
R><A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollo=
w>http://www.vedicast rologer.org</A><BR>on the main page: click on 'listen=
to some mantra', then you'll find<BR>link for 'Durga Saptha Sathi in mp3 f=
ormat'<BR>------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -<=
BR><BR>Personally, i've never worried about Swara, Mantra chanting only <BR=
>after Initiation, correct protocols for Puja etc... Though i very <BR>much=
respect these things, i have always believed that this is not <BR>the 'age=
' where one really go for all *correctness* .<BR><BR>The most important is =
Bhavana ! Devotion !. The almighty, The mother <BR>knows about our very int=
entions and would she really care about <BR>whether or not some body does p=
roper rituals or not? if she needs
to <BR>make it proper then she herself =
will bring about the changes.<BR><BR>I would quote Thakur here. he used to =
say that when just uttering <BR>Name of God brings tears in your eyes, know=
for sure that no rituals <BR>are required by you.<BR>but that's very advan=
ce stage. for most of us, ChandiPaath, Naam <BR>Jap, mediatation etc.. are =
must to reach the stage.The only point <BR>here is that too much concern ab=
out correctness and such things will <BR>hamper us. there will be so many p=
eople who wants to start some <BR>sadhana but are afraid of starting becuas=
e of these things.<BR><BR>I congratulate you and people must become bold li=
ke you. no wories-<BR>the almighty will take care of everything.<BR><BR>onc=
e Thakur scolded the great man Mahendranaath Gupta (M) and said <BR>that **=
*God knows that from the clay image worship, only he is being <BR>invoked. =
if there are any flaws in the worship, he'll himself set it <BR>right***<BR=
><BR>personally, These ARE
THE WORDS of Thakur which has given me immense =
<BR>confidence. this couple of sentances from the Gospel has dispelled <BR>=
my many dowbts.<BR>Shri Krishna didn't bother about all protcols, Royal Pom=
p, outer <BR>show and Chappan Bhoga of Duryodhana. instead he declined and =
went <BR>to Vidur's hut and with all love partaken his Bhaji. Same with <BR=
>Sudama.<BR><BR>One poet has narrated that episode in simple but beautiful =
words in <BR>Hindi. it goes like this<BR><BR>"Dekhi Sudaamaa ki Deen dasha,=
Karuna Karake Karunaa-Nidhi roye !<BR>Pani paratko haath chhuyo nahi, Nain=
an ke Jal se Pagu dhoye" !!!<BR><BR>It means- Krishna cried looking at the =
condition of his poor friend <BR>and didn't use water from the vessels but =
used his Tears to wash the <BR>feet of Sudaamaa.<BR><BR>that sums up all.<B=
R><BR>I hope Rao garu will provide today with Technical details and <BR>Mea=
ning behind *various Nyaasa* for the benefit of all on this <BR>special day=
.<BR><BR>Again wish
you all a very happy Drgaashtami.<BR><BR>best regards,=
<BR><BR>utpal <BR><BR>--- In <A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.c=
om" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogr=
oups.com">vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>, nalini swamy <nalini2818@ =
...> <BR>wrote:<BR>><BR>> Hare Rama Krsna<BR>> =C3=82 <BR>=
> Sri Narasimha garu,<BR>> Namaskar.<BR>> Deep gratitude to have r=
eassured me/us. I had started the <BR>Navaratri Puja of The Mother with Kal=
asam. As I have not been <BR>initiated into the pooja vidhanam and only had=
the fortune of <BR>witnessing the ritualistic pooja done by my mother-in-l=
aw according <BR>to Sri sooktam. Unfortunately I was not a great fan of rit=
uals then. <BR>I live abroad and downloaded the pooja vidhanam according to=
sri <BR>sooktam and started my pooja. I found that it was pertaining to <B=
R>Durga and the shodasopachara pooja and the pranapratishta. The Devi <BR>K=
avacham and the Sapta
sloki are also included. When I started the <BR>pooj=
a I wondered if I could chant and perform the pooja as it was a <BR>part of=
Saptashati. My father-in-law advised me not to do it as I <BR>was not init=
iated. But having started and I also strongly believe <BR>that Mother would=
not 'harm' her child=C3=82 I have continued with Her <BR>Grace. I ha=
ve always wanted to do SaptaShati parayanam during the <BR>sarannaNavaratra=
s. How can I correct my swara? As I<BR>> am not very familiar with Sansk=
rit and afraid of not doing it <BR>properly, is there a way? Have you a rec=
orded version of the <BR>Chandipath (by you) on your website sir?<BR>> =
=C3=82 <BR>> Thanks and regards<BR>> Nalini<BR>> <BR>> =C3=
=82 <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Messag=
e ----<BR>> From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...><BR>> To: <A hr=
ef=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow=
ymailto=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@ yahoogrou=
ps. com</A><BR>> Cc: <A href=3D"mailto:sivacharya%40yahoogroups.com" tar=
get=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:sivacharya%40yahoogroups.com"=
>sivacharya@yahoogro ups.com</A><BR>> Sent: Monday, 6 October, 2008 4:52=
:54 PM<BR>> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Navaratri...<BR>> <BR>> <B=
R>> Namaste,<BR>> =C3=82 <BR>> There are 11 days instead of 1=
0 from Pratipada to Vijaya Dasami <BR>this time. If you look at the nights =
before Vijaya Dasami, then <BR>there are ten nights instead of nine this ye=
ar. This happens <BR>sometimes.<BR>> =C3=82 <BR>> If you live on=
US east coast, then Chaturthi comes twices on <BR>Thursday and Friday (Oct=
2 & 3). It lasted the entire Thursday and <BR>extended into Friday. Pa=
nchami was on Saturday (Oct 4). Shashthi was <BR>on Sunday (Oct 5). Ashtami=
is on Tuesday (Oct 8). Navami is on <BR>Wednesday (Oct 9). Dasami is on Th=
ursday (Oct
10).<BR>> =C3=82 <BR>> If one's parents did not do =
a proper "anna praasana" ritual (the <BR>ritual of first feeding of solid f=
ood to a baby) to one, should one <BR>consider oneself not entitled to eat =
any solid food? Not doing a <BR>mantra because of no initiation is basicall=
y like that.<BR>> =C3=82 <BR>> Getting initiation is good, espec=
ially if the one initiating has <BR>some level of sadhana in that mantra. B=
ut it is neither necessary <BR>nor sufficient for making progress in your o=
wn sadhana.<BR>> =C3=82 <BR>> If you see my homam document, I ga=
ve an analogy for this. A <BR>millionaire may open a bank account in his so=
n's name with a <BR>starting balance of a million dollars. This is akin to =
a good guru <BR>initiating a sishya in a mantra. Sishya starts off by getti=
ng some <BR>of guru's attainment. But the son may waste those million dolla=
rs <BR>and end up with nothing. Similarly the sishya may fall and not <BR>a=
chieve anything.
Another person may not have anyone to give money <BR>and =
may start off with a zero bank balance but accumulate millions <BR>of dolla=
rs with own effort. This is akin to=C3=82 a person doing sadhana <BR>w=
ith a mantra without guru and attaining some level in the mantra.<BR>> =
=C3=82 <BR>> Some people hold the view that mantras cannot be chant=
ed without a <BR>proper "initiation" . This view is especially prevalent in=
some <BR>sections of society w.r.t. navarna mantra. However, I disagree wi=
th <BR>that view.<BR>> =C3=82 <BR>> If you know the mantra (!), =
just chant it. What would an <BR>initiating guru have done for you? Perhaps=
he would've given some of <BR>his attainment in the mantra to you. Well, y=
ou can do it yourself if <BR>you work hard. Or a guru would've taught you t=
he right nyasas to be <BR>done before the mantra. Well, you can get the nya=
sas from books too. <BR>Moreover, what most people do today for nyasas is a=
nyway just a <BR>ritual
with no meaning. Nyasa literally means placement. =
You place <BR>various sounds in various body parts (like the tips of variou=
s <BR>fingers, heart, top of head, eyes etc). People merely act out some <B=
R>signals while saying the sounds. This "placement" is actually <BR>suppose=
d to be an internal act and it creates an ideal environment <BR>for the rep=
etition of mantra. Due to the external actions, what is <BR>supposed to occ=
ur internally does not occur in most. So the sounds <BR>end up not getting =
properly placed in the body. In other words, what <BR>I am trying to say is=
that most people do<BR>> not know how to "place" various "sounds" in va=
rious body parts. <BR>They merely perform meaningless ritualistic actions. =
So, if you do <BR>not know nyasas, you are not really missing much compared=
to others <BR>who were initiated.<BR>> =C3=82 <BR>> In my humbl=
e opinion, the most important qualification is to have <BR>devotion and sen=
se of surrender to
Her. If you have them, you can <BR>consider yourself "h=
ighly initiated".<BR>> =C3=82 <BR>> Best regards,<BR>> Narasi=
mha<BR>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- =
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target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst</A> rologer.org/ <BR>tar=
pana<BR>> Spirituality: <A href=3D"http://groups./" target=3D_blank rel=
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ights)...yet the panchang shows that at sunrise on Wednesday, <BR>October 8=
starts with Navami, so should we continue our Navratri on <BR>Wednesday to=
o even though it is technically the 10th day? (All these <BR>times are base=
d on US EST)..<BR>> <BR>> Also, can anyone do the Navarna mantra, "Om=
Aim Hrim Klim <BR>Chamundayai Vicche" or does this require initiation?<BR>=
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Hare Rama Krsna,

=C2=A0
Dear Utpal Bhai,
=C2=A0
Namaskar.
=C2=A0
Thank you =
for the link to Durga Saptshati. You have given me valuable advice which I =
take it as being Her words.
You have conveyed answers to a lot of my unvoc=
alised questions/doubts for which I am very grateful.
I thank Narasimha ji =
for his spiritual help to people like me,
=C2=A0
Regards
Nalini
=C2=A0
=C2=
=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0

From: utpal pathak <vedic=
_pathak@...>
Sent: Tuesday, 7 Octobe=
r, 2008 3:55:37 PM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Navaratri...-Narasimha ji
=
Nalini Bahen,
wish you and all a great Durgaashtami.
I'll put my 6 cent h=

ere if you don't mind:)
Yes, Narasimha Garu has recorded DeviMahatmya (DS)=

on his site.
http://www.vedicast rologer.org
on the main page: click on '=
listen to some mantra', then you'll find
link for 'Durga Saptha Sathi in mp=
3 format'
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
=
Personally, i've never worried about Swara, Mantra chanting only

after In=
itiation, correct protocols for Puja etc... Though i very
much respect the=
se things, i have always believed that this is not
the 'age' where one rea=
lly go for all *correctness* .
The most important is Bhavana ! Devotion !.=

The almighty, The mother
knows about our very intentions and would she re=
ally care about
whether or not some body does proper rituals or not? if sh=
e needs to
make it proper then she herself will bring about the changes.
=
I would quote Thakur here. he used to say that when just uttering
Name of =
God brings tears in your eyes, know for sure that no rituals
are required =
by you.
but that's very advance stage. for most of us, ChandiPaath, Naam
J=
ap, mediatation etc.. are must to reach the stage.The only point
here is t=
hat too much concern about correctness and such things will
hamper us. the=
re will be so many people who wants to start some
sadhana but are afraid o=
f starting becuase of these things.
I congratulate you and people must bec=

ome bold like you. no wories-
the almighty will take care of everything.
o=
nce Thakur scolded the great man Mahendranaath Gupta (M) and said
that ***=
God knows that from the clay image worship, only he is being
invoked. if t=
here are any flaws in the worship, he'll himself set it
right***
personal=
ly, These ARE THE WORDS of Thakur which has given me immense
confidence. t=
his couple of sentances from the Gospel has dispelled
my many dowbts.
Shri=
Krishna didn't bother about all protcols, Royal Pomp, outer
show and Chap=
pan Bhoga of Duryodhana. instead he declined and went
to Vidur's hut and w=
ith all love partaken his Bhaji. Same with
Sudama.
One poet has narrated =

that episode in simple but beautiful words in
"D=
ekhi Sudaamaa ki Deen dasha, Karuna Karake Karunaa-Nidhi roye !
Pani paratk=
o haath chhuyo nahi, Nainan ke Jal se Pagu dhoye" !!!
It means- Krishna cr=

ied looking at the condition of his poor friend
and didn't use water from =
the vessels but used his Tears to wash the
feet of Sudaamaa.
that sums up=

all.
I hope Rao garu will provide today with Technical details and
Meani=
ng behind *various Nyaasa* for the benefit of all on this
special day.
Ag=
ain wish you all a very happy Drgaashtami.
best regards,
utpal
--- In v=
edic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, nalini swamy <nalini2818@ ...>
wrote:
>
> H=
are Rama Krsna
> =C3=82=C2=A0
> Sri Narasimha garu,
> Namaskar.
> Deep grat=
itude to have reassured me/us. I had started the
Navaratri Puja of The Mot=
her with Kalasam. As I have not been
initiated into the pooja vidhanam and=
only had the fortune of
witnessing the ritualistic pooja done by my mothe=
r-in-law according
to Sri sooktam. Unfortunately I was not a great fan of =
rituals then.
I live abroad and downloaded the pooja vidhanam according to=
sri
sooktam and started my pooja. I found that it was pertaining to
Durg=
a and the shodasopachara pooja and the pranapratishta. The Devi
Kavacham a=
nd the Sapta sloki are also included. When I started the
pooja I wondered =
if I could chant and perform the pooja as it was a
part of Saptashati. My =
father-in-law advised me not to do it as I
was not initiated. But having s=
tarted and I also strongly believe
that Mother would not 'harm' her child=
=C3=82=C2=A0 I have continued with Her
Grace. I have always wanted to do S=
aptaShati parayanam during the
sarannaNavaratras. How can I correct my swa=
ra? As I
> am not very familiar with Sanskrit and afraid of not doing it
p=
roperly, is there a way? Have you a recorded version of the
Chandipath (by=
you) on your website sir?
> =C3=82=C2=A0
> Nalini
>
=
> =C3=82=C2=A0
>
>
>
>
> From: Narasimha =
P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...>
> Cc: sivacharya@=
yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Monday, 6 October, 2008 4:52:54 PM
> Subject: [ved=
ic-wisdom] Re: Navaratri...
>
>
> Namaste,
> =C3=82=C2=A0
> There are 11 =
days instead of 10 from Pratipada to Vijaya Dasami
this time. If you look =
at the nights before Vijaya Dasami, then
there are ten nights instead of n=
ine this year. This happens
sometimes.
> =C3=82=C2=A0
> If you live on US =
east coast, then Chaturthi comes twices on
Thursday and Friday (Oct 2 & 3)=
. It lasted the entire Thursday and
extended into Friday. Panchami was on =
Saturday (Oct 4). Shashthi was
on Sunday (Oct 5). Ashtami is on Tuesday (O=
ct 8). Navami is on
Wednesday (Oct 9). Dasami is on Thursday (Oct 10).
> =
=C3=82=C2=A0
> If one's parents did not do a proper "anna praasana" ritual =
(the
ritual of first feeding of solid food to a baby) to one, should one
=
consider oneself not entitled to eat any solid food? Not doing a
mantra be=
cause of no initiation is basically like that.
> =C3=82=C2=A0
> Getting ini=
tiation is good, especially if the one initiating has
some level of sadhan=
a in that mantra. But it is neither necessary
nor sufficient for making pr=
ogress in your own sadhana.
> =C3=82=C2=A0
> If you see my homam document, =
I gave an analogy for this. A
millionaire may open a bank account in his s=
on's name with a
starting balance of a million dollars. This is akin to a =
good guru
initiating a sishya in a mantra. Sishya starts off by getting so=
me
of guru's attainment. But the son may waste those million dollars
and =
end up with nothing. Similarly the sishya may fall and not
achieve anythin=
g. Another person may not have anyone to give money
and may start off with=
a zero bank balance but accumulate millions
of dollars with own effort. T=
his is akin to=C3=82=C2=A0a person doing sadhana
with a mantra without gur=
u and attaining some level in the mantra.
> =C3=82=C2=A0
> Some people hold=
the view that mantras cannot be chanted without a
proper "initiation" . T=
his view is especially prevalent in some
sections of society w.r.t. navarn=
a mantra. However, I disagree with
that view.
> =C3=82=C2=A0
> If you know=
the mantra (!), just chant it. What would an
initiating guru have done fo=
r you? Perhaps he would've given some of
his attainment in the mantra to y=
ou. Well, you can do it yourself if
you work hard. Or a guru would've taug=
ht you the right nyasas to be
done before the mantra. Well, you can get th=
e nyasas from books too.
Moreover, what most people do today for nyasas is=
anyway just a
ritual with no meaning. Nyasa literally means placement. Yo=
u place
various sounds in various body parts (like the tips of various
fi=
ngers, heart, top of head, eyes etc). People merely act out some
signals w=
hile saying the sounds. This "placement" is actually
supposed to be an int=
ernal act and it creates an ideal environment
for the repetition of mantra=
. Due to the external actions, what is
supposed to occur internally does n=
ot occur in most. So the sounds
end up not getting properly placed in the =
body. In other words, what
I am trying to say is that most people do
> not=
know how to "place" various "sounds" in various body parts.
They merely p=
erform meaningless ritualistic actions. So, if you do
not know nyasas, you=
are not really missing much compared to others
who were initiated.
> =C3=
=82=C2=A0
> In my humble opinion, the most important qualification is to ha=
ve
devotion and sense of surrender to Her. If you have them, you can
cons=
ider yourself "highly initiated".
> =C3=82=C2=A0
> Best regards,
> Narasimh=
a
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----
---=
--
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> Do=
Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/
tarpana
> Spiri=
tuality: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom
> Free Jyotish lesso=
> Free Jyotish software (Win=
dows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org
> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website=
: http://www.SriJagan nath.org
> ------------ --------- --------- ---------=
--------- --------- ----
-----
>
> From:=
Chandra Prakash
> Sent: Sunday, Oct=
ober 05, 2008 11:16 PM
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Navaratri...
>
> Dear Nar=
asimha,
>
> When does Navratri end? It started on last Monday, September 2=
9,
2008 and should therefore end on Tuesday, October 7, 2008 (Nine
Nights=
)...yet the panchang shows that at sunrise on Wednesday,
October 8 starts =
with Navami, so should we continue our Navratri on
Wednesday too even thou=
gh it is technically the 10th day? (All these
times are based on US EST)..=
>
> Also, can anyone do the Navarna mantra, "Om Aim Hrim Klim
Chamundaya=
i Vicche" or does this require initiation?
>
> Thanks,
> Chandraprakash
>=
>
> Get the latest headlines with Yahoo!Xtra News -
http://nz.news. yah=
oo.com
>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#407f00>Hare Rama Krsna,</FONT></DIV>=
<P><FONT color=3D#407f00>Dear U=
tpal Bhai,</FONT></P>
<P><FONT c=
olor=3D#407f00>Namaskar.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=3D#407f00></FONT> <=
/P>
<P><FONT color=3D#407f00>Thank you for the link to Durga Saptshati. You=
have given me valuable advice which I take it as being Her words. </FONT><=
/P>
<P><FONT color=3D#407f00>You have conveyed answers to a lot of my unvoc=
alised questions/doubts for which I am very grateful.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT c=
olor=3D#407f00>I thank Narasimha ji for his spiritual help to people like m=
e,</FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=3D#=
407f00>Regards</FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=3D#407f00>Nalini</FONT></P>
<P><FO=
NT color=3D#407f00></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT color=3D#407f00></FONT> =
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helvetica, sans-serif"><BR>
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pt; MARGIN: 5px 0px 5px 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; FONT-FAMILY: t=
imes new roman, new york, times, serif">----- Original Message ----<BR>From=
: utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@...><BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogrou=
ps.com<BR>Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2008 3:55:37 PM<BR>Subject: [vedic-wisd=
om] Re: Navaratri...-Narasimha ji<BR><BR>
<P>Nalini Ba=
hen,<BR><BR>wish you and all a great Durgaashtami.<BR><BR>I'll put my 6 cen=
t here if you don't mind:)<BR><BR>Yes, Narasimha Garu has recorded DeviMaha=
tmya (DS) on his site.<BR><BR><A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/" t=
arget=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.vedicast rologer.org</A><BR>on the=
main page: click on 'listen to some mantra', then you'll find<BR>link for =
'Durga Saptha Sathi in mp3 format'<BR>------------ --------- --------- ----=
----- --------- --------- -<BR><BR>Personally, i've never worried about Swa=
ra, Mantra chanting only <BR>after Initiation, correct protocols for Puja e=
tc... Though i very <BR>much respect these things, i have always believed t=
hat this is not <BR>the 'age' where one really go for all *correctness* .<B=
R><BR>The most important is Bhavana ! Devotion !. The almighty, The mother =
<BR>knows about our very intentions and would she really care about <BR>whe=
ther or not some body does proper rituals or not? if she needs
to <BR>make=
it proper then she herself will bring about the changes.<BR><BR>I would qu=
ote Thakur here. he used to say that when just uttering <BR>Name of God bri=
ngs tears in your eyes, know for sure that no rituals <BR>are required by y=
ou.<BR>but that's very advance stage. for most of us, ChandiPaath, Naam <BR=
>Jap, mediatation etc.. are must to reach the stage.The only point <BR>here=
is that too much concern about correctness and such things will <BR>hamper=
us. there will be so many people who wants to start some <BR>sadhana but a=
re afraid of starting becuase of these things.<BR><BR>I congratulate you an=
d people must become bold like you. no wories-<BR>the almighty will take ca=
re of everything.<BR><BR>once Thakur scolded the great man Mahendranaath Gu=
pta (M) and said <BR>that ***God knows that from the clay image worship, on=
ly he is being <BR>invoked. if there are any flaws in the worship, he'll hi=
mself set it <BR>right***<BR><BR>personally, These ARE
THE WORDS of Thakur=
which has given me immense <BR>confidence. this couple of sentances from t=
he Gospel has dispelled <BR>my many dowbts.<BR>Shri Krishna didn't bother a=
bout all protcols, Royal Pomp, outer <BR>show and Chappan Bhoga of Duryodha=
na. instead he declined and went <BR>to Vidur's hut and with all love parta=
ken his Bhaji. Same with <BR>Sudama.<BR><BR>One poet has narrated that epis=
ode in simple but beautiful words in <BR>Hindi. it goes like this<BR><BR>"D=
ekhi Sudaamaa ki Deen dasha, Karuna Karake Karunaa-Nidhi roye !<BR>Pani par=
atko haath chhuyo nahi, Nainan ke Jal se Pagu dhoye" !!!<BR><BR>It means- K=
rishna cried looking at the condition of his poor friend <BR>and didn't use=
water from the vessels but used his Tears to wash the <BR>feet of Sudaamaa=
.<BR><BR>that sums up all.<BR><BR>I hope Rao garu will provide today with T=
echnical details and <BR>Meaning behind *various Nyaasa* for the benefit of=
all on this <BR>special day.<BR><BR>Again wish
you all a very happy Drgaa=
shtami.<BR><BR>best regards,<BR><BR>utpal <BR><BR>--- In <A href=3D"mailto:=
vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"m=
ailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>, n=
alini swamy <nalini2818@ ...> <BR>wrote:<BR>><BR>> Hare Rama Kr=
sna<BR>> =C3=82 <BR>> Sri Narasimha garu,<BR>> Namaskar.<BR>&=
gt; Deep gratitude to have reassured me/us. I had started the <BR>Navaratri=
Puja of The Mother with Kalasam. As I have not been <BR>initiated into the=
pooja vidhanam and only had the fortune of <BR>witnessing the ritualistic =
pooja done by my mother-in-law according <BR>to Sri sooktam. Unfortunately =
I was not a great fan of rituals then. <BR>I live abroad and downloaded the=
pooja vidhanam according to sri <BR>sooktam and started my pooja. I found =
that it was pertaining to <BR>Durga and the shodasopachara pooja and the pr=
anapratishta. The Devi <BR>Kavacham and the Sapta
sloki are also included.=
When I started the <BR>pooja I wondered if I could chant and perform the p=
ooja as it was a <BR>part of Saptashati. My father-in-law advised me not to=
do it as I <BR>was not initiated. But having started and I also strongly b=
elieve <BR>that Mother would not 'harm' her child=C3=82 I have contin=
ued with Her <BR>Grace. I have always wanted to do SaptaShati parayanam dur=
ing the <BR>sarannaNavaratras. How can I correct my swara? As I<BR>> am =
not very familiar with Sanskrit and afraid of not doing it <BR>properly, is=
there a way? Have you a recorded version of the <BR>Chandipath (by you) on=
your website sir?<BR>> =C3=82 <BR>> Thanks and regards<BR>> =
Nalini<BR>> <BR>> =C3=82 <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR=
>> ----- Original Message ----<BR>> From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pv=
r@...><BR>> To: <A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" tar=
get=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow
ymailto=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.c=
om">vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A><BR>> Cc: <A href=3D"mailto:sivach=
arya%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:si=
vacharya%40yahoogroups.com">sivacharya@yahoogro ups.com</A><BR>> Sent: M=
onday, 6 October, 2008 4:52:54 PM<BR>> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Navar=
atri...<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Namaste,<BR>> =C3=82 <BR>> The=
re are 11 days instead of 10 from Pratipada to Vijaya Dasami <BR>this time.=
If you look at the nights before Vijaya Dasami, then <BR>there are ten nig=
hts instead of nine this year. This happens <BR>sometimes.<BR>> =C3=82&n=
bsp;<BR>> If you live on US east coast, then Chaturthi comes twices on <=
BR>Thursday and Friday (Oct 2 & 3). It lasted the entire Thursday and <=
BR>extended into Friday. Panchami was on Saturday (Oct 4). Shashthi was <BR=
>on Sunday (Oct 5). Ashtami is on Tuesday (Oct 8). Navami is on <BR>Wednesd=
ay (Oct 9). Dasami is on Thursday (Oct
10).<BR>> =C3=82 <BR>> I=
f one's parents did not do a proper "anna praasana" ritual (the <BR>ritual =
of first feeding of solid food to a baby) to one, should one <BR>consider o=
neself not entitled to eat any solid food? Not doing a <BR>mantra because o=
f no initiation is basically like that.<BR>> =C3=82 <BR>> Gettin=
g initiation is good, especially if the one initiating has <BR>some level o=
f sadhana in that mantra. But it is neither necessary <BR>nor sufficient fo=
r making progress in your own sadhana.<BR>> =C3=82 <BR>> If you =
see my homam document, I gave an analogy for this. A <BR>millionaire may op=
en a bank account in his son's name with a <BR>starting balance of a millio=
n dollars. This is akin to a good guru <BR>initiating a sishya in a mantra.=
Sishya starts off by getting some <BR>of guru's attainment. But the son ma=
y waste those million dollars <BR>and end up with nothing. Similarly the si=
shya may fall and not <BR>achieve anything.
Another person may not have an=
yone to give money <BR>and may start off with a zero bank balance but accum=
ulate millions <BR>of dollars with own effort. This is akin to=C3=82 a=
person doing sadhana <BR>with a mantra without guru and attaining some lev=
el in the mantra.<BR>> =C3=82 <BR>> Some people hold the view th=
at mantras cannot be chanted without a <BR>proper "initiation" . This view =
is especially prevalent in some <BR>sections of society w.r.t. navarna mant=
ra. However, I disagree with <BR>that view.<BR>> =C3=82 <BR>> If=
you know the mantra (!), just chant it. What would an <BR>initiating guru =
have done for you? Perhaps he would've given some of <BR>his attainment in =
the mantra to you. Well, you can do it yourself if <BR>you work hard. Or a =
guru would've taught you the right nyasas to be <BR>done before the mantra.=
Well, you can get the nyasas from books too. <BR>Moreover, what most peopl=
e do today for nyasas is anyway just a <BR>ritual
with no meaning. Nyasa l=
iterally means placement. You place <BR>various sounds in various body part=
s (like the tips of various <BR>fingers, heart, top of head, eyes etc). Peo=
ple merely act out some <BR>signals while saying the sounds. This "placemen=
t" is actually <BR>supposed to be an internal act and it creates an ideal e=
nvironment <BR>for the repetition of mantra. Due to the external actions, w=
hat is <BR>supposed to occur internally does not occur in most. So the soun=
ds <BR>end up not getting properly placed in the body. In other words, what=
<BR>I am trying to say is that most people do<BR>> not know how to "pla=
ce" various "sounds" in various body parts. <BR>They merely perform meaning=
less ritualistic actions. So, if you do <BR>not know nyasas, you are not re=
ally missing much compared to others <BR>who were initiated.<BR>> =C3=82=
<BR>> In my humble opinion, the most important qualification is to=
have <BR>devotion and sense of surrender to
Her. If you have them, you ca=
n <BR>consider yourself "highly initiated".<BR>> =C3=82 <BR>> Be=
st regards,<BR>> Narasimha<BR>> ------------ --------- --------- ----=
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Dear Narasimhaji
=C2=A0
Today I performed a homa of Lord Bhairav along with=
the additions that you recomended. It went very well, from now on I shall =
slowly try and incorporate more of the mantras/procedures as per your manua=
l. Thanks to you and Dr Manish Pandit, laymen like me are getting to learn =
things.
=C2=A0
-Regards
=C2=A0Rajarshi
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f be true!" - Hamlet
--- On Sat, 4/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charte=

r.net> wrote:

Subject: [vedic=
-wisdom] Re: Regarding Homa
Date: Saturday=
, 4 October, 2008, 10:47 PM
Namaste,
Obviously, there are some previ=

ous samskaras that pulled you in this
direction. That is good. This is wha=
t Vimalananda alluded to, when he said
those who have the desire have no k=
nowledge and those who have the knowledge
have no desire in this age. He a=
lso said, "if you have a deep desire to
learn something, nature will find =
a way to teach you that".
If you see the super-short method, you will see =

that it is very similar to
yours. Just add the ahutis to Prajapati, Agni e=
tc at the beginning and at
the end. Before you call Bhairava, call Ganesha=
in fire and make 8 aahuties
with a simple mantra ("Om Gam Ganapataye Nama=
h" is fine). Then call Bhairava
in fire. Make the offerings. After the ahu=
tis to Agni, Vaayu etc, give
Poornaahuti. Basically follow the super-short=
procedure. It is also ok to
not do panchopachara pooja etc. You can be in=
formal with someone you know
reasonably well.
Of course, you can continue=

the way you were doing also, but the additions I
am suggeting (ahutis at =
start/end and Ganesha) are small and worthwhile. As
(if) you make addition=
s, do it with a positive frame of mind and do NOT
worry about past. There =
is a reason for everything. Just leave the past and
don't worry that you d=
id some "mistake". It is never a mistake to worship
god in the way you kno=
w. God is always happy if you do the best job you can,
with what you know.=
But, as god gives you more knowledge, he may raise the
bar for you. :-)
=
For invoking Ganapathi or Bhairava in fire, thinking of the form in the min=
d
and requesting him mentally to come into the fire is sufficient.
Best r=
egards,
Narasimha
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From: "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14=
@yahoo. co.in>
Sent: Saturday, October=
04, 2008 2:42 AM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Regarding Homa
> Dear Narasimhaj=

i
>
> I had a question I wanted to get clarified regarding homas. It was in=
> 2006 that I had been doing the japa of a certain mantra for almost the
>=
whole year. I had come across the mantra in a strange way, but none
> the =
less I kept chanting the mantra. The deity is Lord Bhairav.
>
> At the end =
of that year suddenly due to some events I got an chance to
> visit the kum=
b mela as well as the Kal Bhairav and Vatuk Bhairav
> temples in Kasi. Afte=
r I came back from there, I wanted to learn how
> to do a homa, but I could=
not find anyone to teach me the same. So one
> day I decided on doing a ho=
ma in my own way, which I realized after
> reading your homa manuals, was r=
idden with innumerable mistakes.
>
> The basic procedure I followed was dra=
wing the yantra of the deity in
> the homa kunda, then praying to my deity,=
Lord Ganapati and the Divine
> Mother to forgive all mistakes. And next I =
would straight away start
> off with the main mantra and its ahuti in fire.=
That used to me the
> major part of the homa. And I loved watching the pec=
uliar behaviour of
> the fire in the homa kunda.
>
> I had done this kind o=
f (completely wrong) homa at least ten/fifteen
> times in the last one year=
..
>
> After reading the homa manuals I have understood the innumerable
> m=
istakes that I had done in the name of doing a homa. But somehow I
> liked =
the experineces very much.
>
> I wanted to ask you, can I continue the way =
I was doing or is there
> something I need to do to rectify all the mistake=
s that I have
> commited till now.. Waiting for your guidance..
>
> -Regard=
s
> Rajarshi
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<DIV> </DIV>=
<DIV>Today I performed a homa of Lord Bhairav along with the additions tha=
t you recomended. It went very well, from now on I shall slowly try and inc=
orporate more of the mantras/procedures as per your manual. Thanks to you a=
nd Dr Manish Pandit, laymen like me are getting to learn things.</DIV>
<DIV=
> </DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV><E=
M><STRONG>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; C=
OLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This above all: to thine own self be tru=
e!" - Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat=
, 4/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@...></I></B> wrote:<B=
R>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: r=
gb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...>=
<BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Regarding Homa<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogro=
ups.com<BR>Date: Saturday, 4 October, 2008, 10:47 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv1=
245219156>
<DIV>Namaste,<BR><BR>Obviously, there are s=
ome previous samskaras that pulled you in this <BR>direction. That is good.=
This is what Vimalananda alluded to, when he said <BR>those who have the d=
esire have no knowledge and those who have the knowledge <BR>have no desire=
in this age. He also said, "if you have a deep desire to <BR>learn somethi=
ng, nature will find a way to teach you that".<BR><BR>If you see the super-=
short method, you will see that it is very similar to <BR>yours. Just add t=
he ahutis to Prajapati, Agni etc at the beginning and at <BR>the end. Befor=
e you call Bhairava, call Ganesha in fire and make 8 aahuties <BR>with a si=
mple mantra ("Om Gam Ganapataye Namah" is fine). Then call Bhairava <BR>in =
fire. Make the offerings. After the ahutis to Agni, Vaayu etc, give <BR>Poo=
rnaahuti. Basically follow the super-short procedure. It is also ok to <BR>=
not do panchopachara pooja etc. You can be informal with someone you know <=
BR>reasonably
well.<BR><BR>Of course, you can continue the way you were do=
ing also, but the additions I <BR>am suggeting (ahutis at start/end and Gan=
esha) are small and worthwhile. As <BR>(if) you make additions, do it with =
a positive frame of mind and do NOT <BR>worry about past. There is a reason=
for everything. Just leave the past and <BR>don't worry that you did some =
"mistake". It is never a mistake to worship <BR>god in the way you know. Go=
d is always happy if you do the best job you can, <BR>with what you know. B=
ut, as god gives you more knowledge, he may raise the <BR>bar for you. :-)<=
BR><BR>For invoking Ganapathi or Bhairava in fire, thinking of the form in =
the mind <BR>and requesting him mentally to come into the fire is sufficien=
t.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------ --------- --------- --=
------- --------- --------- -<BR>Do a Short Homam Yourself: <A href=3D"http=
://www.vedicastrologer.org/homam" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www=
.VedicAst
rologer.org/ homam</A><BR>Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <A href=3D=
"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/tarpana" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>htt=
p://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana</A><BR>Spirituality: <A href=3D"http:=
//groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http:=
//groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom</A><BR>Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):=
<A href=3D"http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofo=
llow>http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net</A><BR>Free Jyotish software (Win=
dows): <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dno=
follow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org</A><BR>Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) we=
bsite: <A href=3D"http://www.srijagannath.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofol=
low>http://www.SriJagan nath.org</A><BR>------------ --------- --------- --=
------- --------- --------- - <BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From=
: "rajarshi14" <<A href=3D"mailto:rajarshi14%40yahoo.co.in" target=3D_bl=
ank rel=3Dnofollow>rajarshi14@yahoo.
co.in</A>><BR>To: <<A href=3D"m=
ailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-=
wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>><BR>Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 2:42 A=
M<BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Regarding Homa<BR><BR>> Dear Narasimhaji<BR=
>><BR>> I had a question I wanted to get clarified regarding homas. I=
t was in<BR>> 2006 that I had been doing the japa of a certain mantra fo=
r almost the<BR>> whole year. I had come across the mantra in a strange =
way, but none<BR>> the less I kept chanting the mantra. The deity is Lor=
d Bhairav.<BR>><BR>> At the end of that year suddenly due to some eve=
nts I got an chance to<BR>> visit the kumb mela as well as the Kal Bhair=
av and Vatuk Bhairav<BR>> temples in Kasi. After I came back from there,=
I wanted to learn how<BR>> to do a homa, but I could not find anyone to=
teach me the same. So one<BR>> day I decided on doing a homa in my own =
way, which I realized after<BR>>
reading your homa manuals, was ridden =
with innumerable mistakes.<BR>><BR>> The basic procedure I followed w=
as drawing the yantra of the deity in<BR>> the homa kunda, then praying =
to my deity, Lord Ganapati and the Divine<BR>> Mother to forgive all mis=
takes. And next I would straight away start<BR>> off with the main mantr=
a and its ahuti in fire. That used to me the<BR>> major part of the homa=
. And I loved watching the peculiar behaviour of<BR>> the fire in the ho=
ma kunda.<BR>><BR>> I had done this kind of (completely wrong) homa a=
t least ten/fifteen<BR>> times in the last one year..<BR>><BR>> Af=
ter reading the homa manuals I have understood the innumerable<BR>> mist=
akes that I had done in the name of doing a homa. But somehow I<BR>> lik=
ed the experineces very much.<BR>><BR>> I wanted to ask you, can I co=
ntinue the way I was doing or is there<BR>> something I need to do to re=
ctify all the mistakes that I
have<BR>> commited till now.. Waiting for=
your guidance..<BR>><BR>> -Regards<BR>> Rajarshi<BR><BR></DIV></D=
IV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table><br>
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a, most of this material is available on internet what all I have done is t=
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s any one could ever wish for.</DIV>
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PAN> </SPAN>During these navaratris I got a chance to prepare Devi Sh=
aptashati with Translation in PDF format and I completed the same yesterday=
and uploaded the file to the groups files area, most of this material is a=
vailable on internet what all I have done is to get the sacred scripture at=
one place with Translation and Transliteration in a easily readable format=
.</FONT></FONT></P>
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i><SPAN> </SPAN>Please forgive for any mistakes and expecting suggest=
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Namaste,
Every tradition has a valid basis, but also corrupted in time..

=
So many people touch the feet with hands or forehead when bowing to elder=
s. It is incorrect to say that "all of elder's punyas" are transferred then=
. So many people touch the head of youngsters with hand to bless. It is inc=
orrect to say that "all of youngster's sins" are transferred then.
Howeve=
r, this belief is not without a basis. When a person touches the feet of a =
person with awakened energy, *some* transfer of energy occurs automatically=
, whether or not one is aware (that is why we have the tradition of touchin=
g the feet of saints). However, how much energy gets transferred is depende=
nt on the capabilities of the two persons, the strength of the desire in th=
e two persons for (or against) the transfer and the previous rina between t=
he person.
It is not necessary to touch the feet of a person with the for=

ehead. It is possible to touch with hands and receive energy. Once one youn=
g man came to my Jyotish class in Boston and touched my feet at the end to =
take blessings. Normally, when people to do that, I mentally say "sarvam Sr=
i Krishnarpanamastu" and imagine that the obeisance is going to Lord Krishn=
a. But, this time, I could clearly feel some energy leaving me. It was a ve=
ry tangible feeling. This person touched specific spots in the two feet wit=
h a specific mudra of the two hands.
Of course, one can dismiss my feelin=

g as a hallucination. But, when the same young man came to a Satya Narayana=
vratam at my house later in the week and touched the feet of a very good p=
riest who came from India (the same one who I said performed the first Chan=
di homam at my house, arranged for the shata Chandi homam in Chennai and ha=
d books on homam gifted to us), he immediately exclaimed "sir, we have to b=
e careful with this boy! He seems to do some sadhana. He definitely knows h=
ow to take away some energy from people." I had not told him what I had exp=
erienced a few days back and this was his independent conclusion after the =
same experience as mine!
I am convinced that some enegy give and take hap=
pens when feet and head are touched for blessings. However, it requires a c=
ertain level of ability and purity to receive energy from someone by touchi=
ng feet. So many people touched my feet. Only a handful gave me the feeling=
that some energy left me.
There is another way to look at this. If a per=

son gets something from me, it is probably because there is some rina. Why =
should I try to resist a payback of rina? Who are we anyway to give or to t=
ake? All the energy deposited in all the beings of this universe is Hers an=
yway. Why should one look at the energy deposited in oneself as one's own?
=
* * *
My simple bottomline advice is this:
If someone p=
ays obeisance to you, let them do it. Do not feel proud or superior when so=
meone touches your feet. Think that Krishna (or Shiva) in him is paying obe=
isance to Krishna (or Shiva) in you and offer it to Krishna (or Shiva). Whe=
n you touch the feet of someone, feel humble and think that the person you =
are bowing to is a limited manifestation of Krishna (or Shiva). Leave the r=
est of the karma/energy calculations out and do not worry.
At the same ti=

me, if someone does not let you touch his/her feet, just bow to them and pa=
y obeisance in the mind without a physical touch. You can still feel humble=
and think that the person you are bowing to is a limited manifestation of =
Krishna (or Shiva).
A lot of this is in the mind and controlling the mind=

is the key.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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From: vinaya=
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To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com ; sohamsa@yahoogroups.com
S=
ent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 10:51 AM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] CHARAN SPA=
RSH OBEISANCE
I had a=
rranged for the first time Chandi Homam at my house on Friday. The Brahmin =
priest did a excellent pooja. During Durga swaroopini Kanya(small girl 7 ye=
ars old) poojan I asked her to take her feet out so that I could touch the =
her feet with my forehead to offer my obeisance & I normally do touch the f=
eet with my fore head during the Namaskar. The Brahmin Pujari prevented me =
from touching the feet of girl as well as his feet with my forehead saying =
that if a person touches the feet of a guru/elder with forehead all the pun=
ya of the Guru/Elder will transfer to me & incase the Guru keeps his hand o=
n my head all his sins will be transfered to me. Please shed light on this
=
Regards
Vinayak P Tandle
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forehead wh=
en bowing to elders. It is incorrect to say that "all of elder's
punyas" a=
re transferred then. So many people touch the head of youngsters with
hand=
to bless. It is incorrect to say that "all of youngster's sins" are
trans=
ferred then.</FONT></DIV>
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, this belief is not without a =
basis. When a
person touches the feet of a person with awakened energy, *s=
ome* transfer of
energy occurs automatically, whether or not one is aware =
(that is why we have
the tradition of touching the feet of saints). Howeve=
r, how much energy gets
transferred is dependent on the capabilities of th=
e two persons, the strength of
the desire in the two persons for (or again=
st) the transfer and the previous
rina between the person.</FONT></DIV>
<D=
size=3D2>It is not necessary to touch the feet of a person
with the forehe=
ad. It is possible to touch with hands and receive energy. Once
one young =
man came to my Jyotish class in Boston and touched my feet at the
end =
;to take blessings. Normally, when people to do that, I mentally say
"sarv=
am Sri Krishnarpanamastu" and imagine that the obeisance is going to Lord
=
Krishna. But, this time, I could clearly feel some energy leaving me. It wa=
s a
very tangible feeling. This person touched specific spots in the two f=
eet with a
specific mudra of the two hands.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Of c=
ourse, one can dismiss my feeling as a
hallucination. But, when the same y=
oung man came to a Satya Narayana vratam at
my house later in the week and=
touched the feet of a very good priest who came
from India (the same one =
who I said performed the first Chandi homam at my
house, arranged for the =
shata Chandi homam in Chennai and had books on homam
gifted to us), he imm=
ediately exclaimed "sir, we have to be careful with this
boy! He seems to =
do some sadhana. He definitely knows how to take away some
energy from peo=
ple." I had not told him what I had experienced a few days back
and this w=
as his independent conclusion after the same experience as
mine!</FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
Arial size=3D2>I am convinced that some enegy give and take
happens when f=
eet and head are touched for blessings. However, it requires a
certain lev=
el of ability and purity to receive energy from someone by touching
feet. =
So many people touched my feet. Only a handful gave me the feeling
th=
at some energy left me.</FONT></DIV>
;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There is another way to loo=
k at this. </FONT><FONT
face=3DArial size=3D2>If a person gets something&n=
bsp;from me, it is probably
because there is some rina. Why should I =
try to resist a payback of rina?
Who are we anyway to give or to take? All=
the energy deposited in all the beings
of this universe is Hers anyway. W=
hy should one look at the energy deposited in
oneself as one's own?</FONT>=
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>*
* =
; *</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My simple bottoml=
ine advice is this:</FONT></DIV>
ONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If someone pays obeisance to yo=
u, let them do it.
Do not feel proud or superior when someone touches your=
feet. Think that
Krishna (or Shiva) in him is paying obeisance to Kr=
ishna (or Shiva) in you and
offer it to Krishna (or Shiva). When you touch=
the feet of someone, feel humble
and think that the person you are bowing=
to is a limited manifestation of
Krishna (or Shiva). </FONT><FONT face=3D=
Arial size=3D2>Leave the rest of the
karma/energy calculations out an=
d do not worry.</FONT></DIV>
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>At the same time, if someone does n=
ot let you touch
his/her feet, just bow to them and pay obeisance in the m=
ind without a physical
touch. You can still feel humble and think that the=
person you are bowing to is
a limited manifestation of Krishna (or Shiva)=
.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><F=
ONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A lot of this is in the mind and controlling the =
mind is the key.</FONT></DIV>

T></DIV>
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at my house on
Friday. The Brahmin priest did a excellent pooja. D=
uring Durga
swaroopini Kanya(small girl 7 years old) poojan I=
asked her to take
her feet out so that I could touch the&nbs=
p;her feet with my
forehead to offer my obeisance & =
I normally do touch the feet
with my fore head during the Namaskar=
. The Brahmin Pujari prevented me
from touching the feet of girl a=
s well as his feet with my forehead
saying that if a person touche=
s the feet of a guru/elder with forehead
all the punya of the Guru=
/Elder will transfer to me & incase the
Guru keeps his hand on=
my head all his sins will be transfered to me.
Please shed light =
on this</DIV>
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<DIV>Regards</DIV>
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o <pvr@...>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: CHARAN SPARSH OBEISANCE
To:=
Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 9:47 AM
Namaste,
=A0
Every tradition has a valid basis, but also corrupted in tim=
e..
=A0
So many people touch the feet with hands or forehead when bowing to=
elders. It is incorrect to say that "all of elder's punyas" are transferre=
d then. So many people touch the head of youngsters with hand to bless. It =
is incorrect to say that "all of youngster's sins" are transferred then.
=
=A0
However, this belief is not without a basis. When a person touches the =
feet of a person with awakened energy, *some* transfer of energy occurs aut=
omatically, whether or not one is aware (that is why we have the tradition =
of touching the feet of saints). However, how much energy gets transferred =
is dependent on the capabilities of the two persons, the strength of the de=
sire in the two persons for (or against) the transfer and the previous rina=
between the person.
=A0
It is not necessary to touch the feet of a person =
with the forehead. It is possible to touch with hands and receive energy. O=
nce one young man came to my Jyotish class in Boston and touched my feet at=
the end=A0to take blessings. Normally, when people to do that, I mentally =
say "sarvam Sri Krishnarpanamastu" and imagine that the obeisance is going =
to Lord Krishna. But, this time, I could clearly feel some energy leaving m=
e. It was a very tangible feeling. This person touched specific spots in th=
e two feet with a specific mudra of the two hands.
=A0
Of course, one can d=
ismiss my feeling as a hallucination. But, when the same young man came to =
a Satya Narayana vratam at my house later in the week and touched the feet =
of a very good priest who came from India (the same one who I said performe=
d the first Chandi homam at my house, arranged for the shata Chandi homam i=
n Chennai and had books on homam gifted to us), he immediately exclaimed "s=
ir, we have to be careful with this boy! He seems to do some sadhana. He de=
finitely knows how to take away some energy from people." I had not told hi=
m what I had experienced a few days back and this was his independent concl=
usion after the same experience as mine!
=A0
I am convinced that some enegy=
give and take happens when feet and head are touched for blessings. Howeve=
r, it requires a certain level of ability and purity to receive energy from=
someone by touching feet. So many people touched my feet.=A0Only a handful=
gave me the feeling that some energy left me.
=A0
There is another way to =
look at this. If a person gets something=A0from me, it is probably because =
there is some rina.=A0Why should I try to resist a payback of rina? Who are=
we anyway to give or to take? All the energy deposited in all the beings o=
f this universe is Hers anyway. Why should one look at the energy deposited=
in oneself as one's own?
=A0
*=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 *=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
*
=A0
My simple bottomline advice is this:
=A0
If someone pays obeisance t=
o you, let them do it. Do not feel proud or superior when someone touches y=
our feet.=A0Think that Krishna (or Shiva) in him is paying obeisance to Kri=
shna (or Shiva) in you and offer it to Krishna (or Shiva). When you touch t=
he feet of someone, feel humble and think that the person you are bowing to=
is a limited manifestation of Krishna (or Shiva). Leave the rest of the ka=
rma/energy=A0calculations out and do not worry.
=A0
At the same time, if so=
meone does not let you touch his/her feet, just bow to them and pay obeisan=
ce in the mind without a physical touch. You can still feel humble and thin=
k that the person you are bowing to is a limited manifestation of Krishna (=
or Shiva).
=A0
A lot of this is in the mind and controlling the mind is the=
key.
=A0
Best regards,
Narasimha
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rehead saying that if a person touches the feet of a guru/elder with forehe=
ad all the punya of the Guru/Elder will transfer to me & incase the Guru ke=
eps his hand on my head all his sins will be transfered to me. Please shed =
light on this
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Regards
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thank you for the elaboration, the concept is now clear. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regards</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Vinayak P Tandle<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 10/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao
CHARAN SPARSH OBEISANCE<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Friday,
October 10, 2008, 9:47 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv870376696>
<DIV id=ygrp-text>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Every tradition has a valid basis, but also corrupted
in time..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So many people touch the feet with hands or forehead
when bowing to elders. It is incorrect to say that "all of elder's punyas" are
transferred then. So many people touch the head of youngsters with hand to bless.
It is incorrect to say that "all of youngster's sins" are transferred
then.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>However, this belief is not without a basis. When a
person touches the feet of a person with awakened energy, *some* transfer of energy
occurs automatically, whether or not one is aware (that is why we have the
tradition of touching the feet of saints). However, how much energy gets
transferred is dependent on the capabilities of the two persons, the strength of
the desire in the two persons for (or against) the transfer and the previous rina
between the person.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is not necessary to touch the feet of a person with
the forehead. It is possible to touch with hands and receive energy. Once one young
man came to my Jyotish class in Boston and touched my feet at the end to take
blessings. Normally, when people to do that, I mentally say "sarvam Sri
Krishnarpanamastu" and imagine that the obeisance is going to Lord Krishna. But,
this time, I could clearly feel some energy leaving me. It was a very tangible
feeling. This person touched specific spots in the two feet with a specific mudra
of the two hands.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Of course, one can dismiss my feeling as a
hallucination. But, when the same young man came to a Satya Narayana vratam at my
house later in the week and touched the feet of a very good priest who came from
India (the same one who I said performed the first Chandi homam at my house,
arranged for the shata Chandi homam in Chennai and had books on homam gifted to
us), he immediately exclaimed "sir, we have to be careful with this boy! He seems
to do some sadhana. He definitely knows how to take away some energy from people."
I had not told him what I had experienced a few days back and this was his
independent conclusion after the same experience as mine!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am convinced that some enegy give and take happens
when feet and head are touched for blessings. However, it requires a certain level
of ability and purity to receive energy from someone by touching feet. So many
people touched my feet. Only a handful gave me the feeling that some energy left
me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There is another way to look at this. </FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2>If a person gets something from me, it is probably because there
is some rina. Why should I try to resist a payback of rina? Who are we anyway to
give or to take? All the energy deposited in all the beings of this universe is
Hers anyway. Why should one look at the energy deposited in oneself as one's own?
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My simple bottomline advice is this:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If someone pays obeisance to you, let them do it. Do
not feel proud or superior when someone touches your feet. Think that Krishna (or
Shiva) in him is paying obeisance to Krishna (or Shiva) in you and offer it to
Krishna (or Shiva). When you touch the feet of someone, feel humble and think that
the person you are bowing to is a limited manifestation of Krishna (or Shiva).
</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>Leave the rest of the karma/energy calculations out
and do not worry.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>At the same time, if someone does not let you touch
his/her feet, just bow to them and pay obeisance in the mind without a physical
touch. You can still feel humble and think that the person you are bowing to is a
limited manifestation of Krishna (or Shiva).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A lot of this is in the mind and controlling the mind
is the key.</FONT></DIV>
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title=vinayakmechie@... href="mailto:vinayakmechie@..." target=_blank
rel=nofollow>vinayak tandle</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>vedic-wisdom@
yahoogroups. com</A> ; <A title=sohamsa@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:sohamsa@yahoogroups.com" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>sohamsa@yahoogroups .com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 05, 2008 10:51 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [vedic-wisdom] CHARAN SPARSH
OBEISANCE</DIV>
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<DIV id=yiv1241125865>
<DIV>I had arranged for the first time Chandi Homam at my house on Friday. The
Brahmin priest did a excellent pooja. During Durga swaroopini Kanya(small girl 7
years old) poojan I asked her to take her feet out so that I could touch
the her feet with my forehead to offer my obeisance & I normally do touch the feet
with my fore head during the Namaskar. The Brahmin Pujari prevented me from
touching the feet of girl as well as his feet with my forehead saying that if a
person touches the feet of a guru/elder with forehead all the punya of the
Guru/Elder will transfer to me & incase the Guru keeps his hand on my head all his
sins will be transfered to me. Please shed light on this</DIV>
<DIV>Regards</DIV>
<DIV>Vinayak P
Tandle</DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></
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Namaste friends,
On Friday nights in the sukla paksha (brighter fortnight) of the lunar month of
Aswayuja, reading of Narayana Hridayam and Lakshmi Hridayam is very powerful.
Today is the last Friday in hte sukla paksha of the current Aswayuja month.
Moreover, today is Ekadasi tithi.
Those of you who have access to the text may want to read the prayers mentioned. If
not, any general prayer to Narayana and Mahalakshmi is a good idea for tonight. It
is also a great day to perform Mahalakshmi homam (see below for the link).
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Dear Members,
Lakshmi Hridayam & Naraayan Hridayam are uploaded in File se=

ction.
There is a very resourceful site for Sanskrit documentation. the

l=
ink is as mentioned below.
http://sanskritdocuments.org/allfilelistpdf.htm=
l
best regards,
Utpal
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, Narasimha P=

VR Rao <pvr@...>
wrote:
>
> Namaste friends,
>
> On Friday nights in the=
sukla paksha (brighter fortnight) of the
lunar month of Aswayuja, reading=
of Narayana Hridayam and Lakshmi
Hridayam is very powerful.
>
> Today i=
s the last Friday in hte sukla paksha of the current
Aswayuja month. Moreo=
ver, today is Ekadasi tithi.
>
> Those of you who have access to the text=
may want to read the
prayers mentioned. If not, any general prayer to Nar=
ayana and
Mahalakshmi is a good idea for tonight. It is also a great day t=
o
perform Mahalakshmi homam (see below for the link).
>
> Best regards,
=
> Narasimha
> -------------------------------------------------------------=
-----
> D=
> Spiritu=
> Free Jyotish software (Windows): =
> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http:/=
> ---------------------------------------------------=
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>
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Namaste Utpalji, Hariji, Naliniji,
Thank you all a lot for the encou=

ragement and appreciation shown, I am
working on getting the pre-amble and =
post-amble as suggested by Hariji.
Utpalji,
Thank you for pointing =

out the mistake, I have checked it 3-4 times
before uploading it, but yes I=
will check more times thoroughly to see
if the mistakes can be reduced. M=
y main reference was from
http://sanskrit.safire.com/pdf/DURGA700.pdf
<http=
://sanskrit.safire.com/pdf/DURGA700.pdf> and it shows the last
word of d=
hyanam in first chapter as Madhum-kautabam (=E0=A4=AE=E0=A4=A7=E0=A5=81=E0=
=A4=82
=E0=A4=95=E0=A5=8C=E0=A4=9F=E0=A4=AD=E0=A4=AE=E0=A5=8D), but I verif=
ied the same today by listening
on Raaga (http://www.raaga.com/getclip.asp?=
id=3D999999077103
<http://www.raaga.com/getclip.asp?id=3D999999077103> ) an=
d it is
Madhum-kaitabham (=E0=A4=AE=E0=A4=A7=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=82 =E0=A4=95=E0=
=A5=88=E0=A4=9F=E0=A4=AD=E0=A4=AE=E0=A5=8D)
Thank you all,
Hari Sarma.
=
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@...>

w=
rote:
>
> Namaste Hari Bhai !!!
>
> Whatever for the benefit of others, esp=
ecially for Spritual benefit
> is a devine work. accept my hearty congratul=
ations and if i may
> suggest, once more go carefully thro' each word and t=
ry to correct
> the mistakes if any. This is the work done by Mother thro' =
you and
> you are the right person to improve it.
>
> give you an example: =
Furst Chapter - Dhyanam - Last Line (In
> devanagari Skript) - It Should be=
Madhu-KAITABHAM instead of Madhu-
> KAUTABHAM.
>
> I hope you take my sugg=
etions with all the spirit.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> =
Spiritually yours,
> Utpal
>
> --- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Hari S=
arma" hari.sarma@
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Namaste Dear Members,
> >
> > Wonder=
ful greetings on the occasion of Dussehra, and may we all
> > receive her d=
ivine grace to help us in progress of our sadhana.
> >
> > During these nav=
aratris I got a chance to prepare Devi
> Shaptashati
> > with Translation i=
n PDF format and I completed the same yesterday
> and
> > uploaded the file=
to the groups files area, most of this material
> is
> > available on inte=
rnet what all I have done is to get the sacred
> > scripture at one place w=
ith Translation and Transliteration in a
> easily
> > readable format.
> >
=
> > Please forgive for any mistakes and expecting suggestions for
> > impro=
vement.
> >
> >
> >
> > Link to the file:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group=
/vedic-
> wisdom/files/Smriti/DeviMahatyam.pdf
> > <http://groups.yahoo.com=
/group/vedic-
> wisdom/files/Smriti/DeviMahatyam.pd\
> > f>
> >
> > Thanks =
and Regards,
> >
> > Hari Sarma.
> >
>
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<P class=3D"MsoNormal"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt;COLOR: #1f497d;">Nama=

ste Utpalji, Hariji, Naliniji,<o></o></SPAN></P>
<P class=3D"MsoNormal"><SP=
AN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt;COLOR: #1f497d;"><o> </o></SPAN></P>
<P cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt;COLOR: #1f497d;"> Th=
ank you all a lot for the encouragement and appreciation shown, I am workin=
g on getting the pre-amble and post-amble as suggested by Hariji.<o></o></S=
PAN></P>
<P class=3D"MsoNormal"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt;COLOR: #1f49=
7d;"><o> </o></SPAN></P>
<P class=3D"MsoNormal"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 11pt;COLOR: #1f497d;">Utpalji,<o></o></SPAN></P>
<P class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt;COLOR: #1f497d;"> Thank you for=
pointing out the mistake, I have checked it 3-4 times before uploading it,=
but yes I will check more times thoroughly to see if the mistakes can be r=
educed. My main reference was from <A href=3D"http://sanskrit.safire.=
com/pdf/DURGA700.pdf"><FONT color=3D"#800080">http://sanskrit.safire.com/pd=
f/DURGA700.pdf</FONT></A> and it shows the last word of dhyanam=
in first chapter as Madhum-kautabam </SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt;C=
OLOR: #1f497d;">(</SPAN><SPAN lang=3D"SA" style=3D"COLOR: black;FONT-FAMILY=
: 'Sanskrit 2003';"><FONT size=3D"3">=E0=A4=AE=E0=A4=A7=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=82 =
=E0=A4=95=E0=A5=8C=E0=A4=9F=E0=A4=AD=E0=A4=AE=E0=A5=8D</FONT></SPAN><SPAN s=
tyle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt;COLOR: #1f497d;">)</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
1pt;COLOR: #1f497d;">, but I verified the same today by listening on Raaga =
(<A href=3D"http://www.raaga.com/getclip.asp?id=3D999999077103">http://www.=
raaga.com/getclip.asp?id=3D999999077103</A>) and it is Madhum-kaitabham </S=
PAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 5pt;COLOR: #1f497d;">(</SPAN><SPAN lang=3D"SA=
" style=3D"COLOR: black;FONT-FAMILY: 'Sanskrit 2003';"><FONT size=3D"3">=E0=
=A4=AE=E0=A4=A7=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=82 =E0=A4=95=E0=A5=88=E0=A4=9F=E0=A4=AD=E0=
=A4=AE=E0=A5=8D</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14.5pt;">)</SPAN><SP=
AN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 20.5pt;"> <o></o></SPAN></P>
<P class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt;COLOR: #1f497d;"><o> </o></SPAN></P>
<P=
class=3D"MsoNormal"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt;COLOR: #1f497d;">Thank =
you all,<o></o></SPAN></P>
<P class=3D"MsoNormal"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=
11pt;COLOR: #1f497d;">Hari Sarma.<o></o></SPAN></P>
<P>
<P><BR>--- In vedi=
c-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@...> wrote:<BR=
>><BR>> Namaste Hari Bhai !!!<BR>> <BR>> Whatever for the benef=
it of others, especially for Spritual benefit <BR>> is a devine work. ac=
cept my hearty congratulations and if i may <BR>> suggest, once more go =
carefully thro' each word and try to correct <BR>> the mistakes if any. =
This is the work done by Mother thro' you and <BR>> you are the right pe=
rson to improve it.<BR>> <BR>> give you an example: Furst Chapter - D=
hyanam - Last Line (In <BR>> devanagari Skript) - It Should be Madhu-KAI=
TABHAM instead of Madhu-<BR>> KAUTABHAM.<BR>> <BR>> I hope you tak=
e my suggetions with all the spirit.<BR>> <BR>> Thank you very much.<=
BR>> <BR>> Best Regards,<BR>> <BR>> Spiritually yours,<BR>> =
Utpal <BR>> <BR>> --- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Hari Sarma" h=
ari.sarma@ <BR>> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > <BR>> > Namaste =
Dear Members,<BR>> > <BR>> > Wonderful greetings on the occasio=
n of Dussehra, and may we all<BR>> > receive her divine grace to help=
us in progress of our sadhana.<BR>> > <BR>> > During these nav=
aratris I got a chance to prepare Devi <BR>> Shaptashati<BR>> > wi=
th Translation in PDF format and I completed the same yesterday <BR>> an=
d<BR>> > uploaded the file to the groups files area, most of this mat=
erial <BR>> is<BR>> > available on internet what all I have done i=
s to get the sacred<BR>> > scripture at one place with Translation an=
d Transliteration in a <BR>> easily<BR>> > readable format.<BR>>=
; > <BR>> > Please forgive for any mistakes and expecting suggesti=
ons for<BR>> > improvement.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > =
<BR>> > Link to the file:<BR>> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/=
vedic-<BR>> wisdom/files/Smriti/DeviMahatyam.pdf<BR>> > <http:/=
/groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-<BR>> wisdom/files/Smriti/DeviMahatyam.pd\=
<BR>> > f><BR>> > <BR>> > Thanks and Regards,<BR>> =
> <BR>> > Hari Sarma.<BR>> ><BR>><BR></P></P>
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<sriram_sapthasathi@...> wrote:
Dear members,
This is the Chandi Sapthasati Rahasya which was expounded by a

great Dattatreya Upasaka. The turiya asrama name of this upasaka is
Shri Bhaskarananda Saraswati who happens to be the devi upasaka in
the lineage of Shri Vasudevananda Saraswati (Tembe Maharaj). There
is no whereabouts of this great upasaka but I got some of the
wonderful manuscripts related to Chandi Sapthasati Rahasya and Yoga
Gayatri Upasana, its process of meditation and the process of Shat
Chakra Bhedana.
Though the presentation of entire contents of the manuscripts is

not possible for me as the manuscripts runs into 150 pages, here is
an attempt of mine to highlight some of the important points which
may be useful to the upasakas. However, this should be learnt from
sadguru hailing from sat-sampradaya.
The 3 charitas of sapthasati are the symbolic representation of 3

knots or grandhis namely brahma grandhi, Vishnu grandhi and rudra
grandhi. The chit-AbhAsa (false identification of the sthula,
sukshma and karana dehas to be ?oone ?Ts own self ? ). This
?~chidAbhAsa ? is of 3 types: karmaja, sahaja and bhramaja.
Brahma grandhi is the identification of oneself with sthula deha

(sthula deha abhimana). The sthula and sukshma deha tAdAtmyata
(false identification of oneself with gross and subtle body). This is
Karmaja Chidabhasa. The annihilation of pUrvajanma vAsanAs in the
form of ?oMala ? or ?odirt ? is Brahma Grandhi Bhedana.
Vishnu Grandhi is the identification of oneself with sukshma deha

(sukshma deha abhimana). AntahkaraNa-chidAbhAsa-tadAtmyata is the
Sahaja ChidAbhAsa. Annihilation of manO-vikshEpa is the Vishnu
Grandhi Bhedana.
Rudra Grandhi is the identification of oneself with Karana deha

(chidAbhAsa adhishTAna chaitanya tAdAtmyata). This is Bhramaja
Chidabhasa. The dawn of sva-svarupa jnana when the avarana dosha
(veil of ignorance in the form of Avidya) is removed is the Rudra
Grandhi Bhedana.
So, Brahma-Vishnu-Rudra Grandhis are the 3 episodes or charitas of

Chandi Sapthasati. The sumedha rishi of Sapthasathi is the Rishi
Haritayana who was initiated into Srividya by Shri Parashurama.
Parashurama inturn was initiated by Sage Dattatreya.
Shri Bhaskarananda Saraswathi explaining the inner significance of

Sapthsati says that ?osavarni ? is the surya sakti,
?osvArochisha ? is the svarga-sambandha-jyoti,
?ochaitravamshasamudbhavah ? is the being born and re-born as
different species (chitra vichitra janma), ?okshitimandala ? is the
gross physical body or sarira, ?osuratha ? is the jiva who is
interested in 3rd purusharta ie., kama and ?oSamadhi ? is the jiva
who is interested in 4th purushartha ie., moksha.
Vishnu-karna-mala is the ?omala ? or ?odirt ? or ?ocovering ?

around the chidAkasa (Vishnu-karna). During the dissolution, Vishnu
is one with Yogamaya and hence Chit swarupa. Karna is the sruti
(ear) whose tanmatra is sound. So, Madhu and Kaitabha are the Mala /
Dirt that covers the Nirmala Chidakasa. Madhu is the Ananda Lakshana
and Kaitabha is the ?omyriad of insects ? in the form of Sanchita
Karma. The Brahma which is symbolic representation of Manas (Mind)
praises the Mahamaya to annihilate the Madhu-Kaitabha in the form of
Sanchita Karma. Waking up of Vishnu is the MahAprANa in Action.
So, annihilitation of Madhu-Kaitabha is the removal of Karmajata-

tadAtmyata in the form of brahmagrandhi bhedana (Vasana Kshaya).
The Madhyama Charita indicates the Vishnu Grandhi Bhedana which is
of the form of Sahaja Chidabhasa. Mahishasura represents Rajo Guna
in the form of Krodha (anger).
Shri Bhaskarananda Saraswati also describes a ?oSecret Upanishad

Vidya ? which is embedded in Madhyama Charita. This is called
?oJyotishmati Vidya ? . The Nada which the Devi makes is the
Anahata Dhwani and the Simha (lion) vahana is the Himsa dharma which
the sadhaka has to adopt during the upasana. The Jiva with Himsa
Bhava should annihilate his Jiva-bhava. The vyashti prana of the
Jiva dissolves in Samasti Prana. When this is achieved, the Sukshma-
deha abhimana drops off. This is Vishnu Grandhi Bhedana. This is
the victory over sahaja-chidAbhAsa.
Though among the 5 kosas, the Jiva has penetrated till Vijnana-maya
Kosa, he still faces the lack of BrahmAnubhUti which is only through
AparOksha Jnana. With the dawn of Aparoksha Jnana, the last knot is
removed which is Rudra Grandhi. With the removal of veil of
ignorance, the avarana drops in the form of Bhramaja ChidAbhAsa.
Chanda denotes mUlAvidya; munda denotes tUlAvidya; dhUmralOchana

denotes bhrAnti, raktabIja denotes bhOga lAlasa (bhOga vAncha);
shumbha denotes ahamkara; nishumbha denotes mamakara. The 8 armies of
shumbha-nishumbha denotes:
ghriNa, lajja, bhaya, shanka, jugupsa, kula, shIla, jAti. These 8
tendencies are 8 pAsAs (ashta-pAsa). To remove these 8 pasas, the 8
vidya murtis come forth in the form of Brahmi, ? ..etc.
Shri Bhaskarananda Saraswati explains wonderfully the Chandi

Navakshari Mantra taking the pramana from Damara Tantra and Shri
Bhaskara. Chamunda is the destroyer of Mula Avidya and Tula Avidya.
There are 3 devatas in Urdhwa Amnaya. They are Viccheswari,

Hamseshwari, Samvartheshwari. Vicche is the address to this Urdhwa
Amnaya Devata ?oViccheshwari ? which is the ?overy auspicious
deity ? and ?oever intent in giving liberation out of
compassion ? . This is the ?ochitkala rupa parama Ardra dEvta ?
which bestows the ?opralaya jnana ? to the upasaka. Moreover,
?ovicche ? is vit+cha+I which implies ?ochit ? , ?osat ? and
Ananda rupa of the Chamunda which is tri-shati rupini as Mahakali
(aim), Mahalakshi (hrim) and Mahasaraswati (klim). To such Chamunda
who destroys the Mula Avidya and Tula Avidya, I bow.
This is the Chandi Sapthasati Rahasya given by Paramahamsa

Parivrajakacharya Bhaskarananda Saraswathi who hails from Datta
Sampradaya.
With regards,
sriram

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Namaste Hari,
Please don't add JI for MEE :0
In my opinion, for Sanskrit =

Text(Devanagari), Durga-Saptashati by
Geeta Press (Gorakhpur) is one of th=
e best. you may think of
refering that book. In that, even the 'Paathantar=
s' are given at
various places. I found it as a very reliable and availabl=
e with
Translation in mnay languages.
Best Regards,
Utpal
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vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Hari Sarma" <hari.sarma@...>
wrote:
>
>
>=
Namaste Utpalji, Hariji, Naliniji,
>
>
>
> Thank you all a lot for t=
he encouragement and appreciation
shown, I am
> working on getting the pre=
-amble and post-amble as suggested by
Hariji.
>
>
>
> Utpalji,
>
> =
Thank you for pointing out the mistake, I have checked it 3-4
times
> bef=
ore uploading it, but yes I will check more times thoroughly to
see
> if t=
he mistakes can be reduced. My main reference was from
> http://sanskrit.s=
afire.com/pdf/DURGA700.pdf
> <http://sanskrit.safire.com/pdf/DURGA700.pdf> =
and it shows the
last
> word of dhyanam in first chapter as Madhum-kaut=
abam (=E0=A4=AE=E0=A4=A7=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=82
> =E0=A4=95=E0=A5=8C=E0=A4=9F=E0=
=A4=AD=E0=A4=AE=E0=A5=8D), but I verified the same today by listening
> on =
Raaga (http://www.raaga.com/getclip.asp?id=3D999999077103
> <http://www.raa=
ga.com/getclip.asp?id=3D999999077103> ) and it is
> Madhum-kaitabham (=E0=
=A4=AE=E0=A4=A7=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=82 =E0=A4=95=E0=A5=88=E0=A4=9F=E0=A4=AD=E0=
=A4=AE=E0=A5=8D)
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>
> Thank you all,
>
> Hari Sarma.
>
>
>
> --- =
In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@>
> wrote:
> =
>
> > Namaste Hari Bhai !!!
> >
> > Whatever for the benefit of others, esp=
ecially for Spritual
benefit
> > is a devine work. accept my hearty congra=
tulations and if i may
> > suggest, once more go carefully thro' each word =
and try to
correct
> > the mistakes if any. This is the work done by Mothe=
r thro' you
and
> > you are the right person to improve it.
> >
> > give y=
ou an example: Furst Chapter - Dhyanam - Last Line (In
> > devanagari Skrip=
t) - It Should be Madhu-KAITABHAM instead of
Madhu-
> > KAUTABHAM.
> >
> >=
I hope you take my suggetions with all the spirit.
> >
> > Thank you very =
much.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Spiritually yours,
> > Utpal
> >
> > --=
- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Hari Sarma" hari.sarma@
> > wrote:
> > =
>
> > >
> > > Namaste Dear Members,
> > >
> > > Wonderful greetings on the =
occasion of Dussehra, and may we all
> > > receive her divine grace to help=
us in progress of our sadhana.
> > >
> > > During these navaratris I got a=
chance to prepare Devi
> > Shaptashati
> > > with Translation in PDF forma=
t and I completed the same
yesterday
> > and
> > > uploaded the file to th=
e groups files area, most of this
material
> > is
> > > available on inter=
net what all I have done is to get the sacred
> > > scripture at one place =
with Translation and Transliteration in
a
> > easily
> > > readable format=
.
> > >
> > > Please forgive for any mistakes and expecting suggestions for=
> > > improvement.

> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Link to the file:
> > > http://=
groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-
> > wisdom/files/Smriti/DeviMahatyam.pdf
> > =
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-
> > wisdom/files/Smriti/DeviMahatya=
m.pd\
> > > f>
> > >
> > > Thanks and Regards,
> > >
> > > Hari Sarma.
> > =
>
> >
>

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Subject: The Message of Chandi !!!
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Dear Members,
Following is the Inner Meaning of Devi Mahatmya explained by=

Shri
Devadatta Kali. It really worth to go thro' the complete article.
v=
ery good one.
http://www.vedanta.org/reading/monthly/articles/2003/2.messa=
ge_of_cha
ndi.html
Spiritually Yours,
Utpal
THE MESSAGE OF THE CHANDI

B=
y Devadatta Kali
This month's reading is from a lecture given at the Veda=

nta temple
in Hollywood, on November 10th 2002. Devadatta Kali has been cl=
osely
associated with the Vedanta Society since 1966. A regular
contribut=
or to Vedanta journals throughout the world, the author's
book Chandi, In =
Praise of the Goddess: The Devimahatmya and Its
Meaning, is due to be publ=
ished by Nicholas-Hays in December, 2003.
In The Gospel of Sri Ramakrish=

na, M[ahendranath Gupta] records a
Sunday afternoon with some visitors to =
Dakshineswar in the winter of
1883. One of the visitors was well versed in=
the shastras [the
sacred Hindu scriptures], and the conversation caused M=
. to fall
into a pensive mood. Having some knowledge of Vedanta, he later =
asked Sri Ramakrishna, "Is the world unreal?"
"Why should it be unreal?" =

Sri Ramakrishna responded. "What you are
asking is a matter for philosophi=
cal discussion." Later that evening
Ramakrishna returned to M.'s question =
and asked him again, "Why
should the universe be unreal?" He continued, "T=
he Divine Mother
revealed to me in the Kali temple that it was She who had=
become
everything. She showed me that everything was full of Consciousnes=
s.
The image =85, the altar =85, the water-vessels =85, the door-sill =85,=
the
marble floor =85=97all was Consciousness.
"I found everything inside=

the room soaked, as it were, in Bliss=97the
Bliss of Satchidananda. I saw=
a wicked man in front of the Kali
temple, but in him I also saw the Power=
of the Divine Mother
vibrating. "That is why I fed a cat with the food th=
at was to be
offered to the Divine Mother. I clearly perceived that the Di=
vine
Mother Herself had become everything (M., 345-346)."
On many other o=
ccasions, M. recorded similar teachings, and on one
point Sri Ramakrishna =
was particularly emphatic. "=85 Brahman and
Shakti are identical. If you a=
ccept one, you must accept the other.
=85 You cannot conceive of the sun's=
rays without the sun, nor can you
conceive of the sun without its rays. =
=85 One cannot think of the
Absolute without the Relative, or of the Relat=
ive without the
Absolute (M., 134)."
Another time Sri Ramakrishna said: "=

That which is Brahman is also
Kali, the Mother, the Primal Energy. When in=
active It is called
Brahman. Again, when creating, preserving and destroyi=
ng, It is
called Shakti. Still water is an illustration of Brahman. The sa=
me
water, moving in waves, may be compared to Shakti, Kali (M., 634-
635).=
" "Water is water, whether it moves or is still (M., 835)."
These are con=

sistent teachings of Sri Ramakrishna, spoken from his
own experience, but =
they are not the teachings of Sankara's Vedanta.
Without question, Ramakri=
shna was well versed in Vedantic teaching.
We know that toward the end of =
1865, he took initiation from an
austere monk named Tota Puri, practiced t=
he disciplines of Sankara's
Advaita Vedanta and in a short while attained =
nirvikalpa samadhi,
the realization of nondual consciousness. But four yea=
rs earlier
Ramakrishna had undergone an intensive course of Tantric sadhan=
a,
taught to him by an itinerant holy woman known as the Bhairavi. She
wa=
s a Shakta, a worshiper of the Divine Mother.
Nor was this Sri Ramakrishn=

a's first exposure to Shakta teachings.
Earlier still, at the age of 19, w=
hen the young Ramakrishna agreed
to be employed as a priest at the Dakshin=
eswar Kali temple, he was
trained by his older brother Ramkumar in the Mot=
her's worship and in
the recitation of the Chandi, the great scripture on =
the Divine
Mother (Saradananda, 133-134).
The Chandi declares that the M=

other is the supreme reality and that
she herself has become this universe=
. We do not know who composed
the Chandi, only that its author or authors =
created the most widely
known and most sacred of all Shakta texts about si=
xteen hundred
years ago. Some of the traditions preserved in the Chandi ar=
e
inconceivably older. We know from the evidence of archeology that
some =
of the Chandi's ideas on the Motherhood of God go back six
thousand years =
or more. Votive statues that survive from neolithic
India and Pakistan por=
tray a goddess in two different aspects:
either as a nurturing mother with=
hand held to breast, or as a
hooded, deathlike figure.
This dual distin=

ction of the Divine Mother in auspicious and
terrible forms is an enduring=
feature throughout the history of
Indian religion and survives to this ve=
ry day. Throughout the ages
the tribal cultures and high civilizations tha=
t rose and fell on
Indian soil left their mark on the 13 chapters of the C=
handi.
Prominent among the many and diverse influences is the Devisukta, a=
hymn of eight verses found in the most ancient Hindu sacred text,
the Ri=
g Veda.
The Devisukta (RV 10.125) declares that the Goddess is the power =
expressed through all the gods, that they are united in her who
shines wi=
th consciousness, that her presence is all-pervading, that
she supports al=
l of creation, that she is the source of
righteousness and the revealer of=
truth, that she is the source of
all worlds, yet that she shines transcen=
dent beyond them. Among
Shaktas this Vedic hymn is held in high esteem and=
is considered to
be the source from which the entire Chandi sprang. Later=
, the Chandi
itself was elaborated upon in the Puranas and Tantras. Still =
later
its imagery inspired the Bengali mystics, Ramprasad and Kamalakanta,=
whose devotional songs so often evoked ecstatic moods in Sri

Ramakrishna=
.
The Chandi goes by two other names. The most common and widely
recogni=
zed is Devimahatmya [The Glory of the Goddess]. The other is
Sri Durga Sap=
tashati [Seven Hundred Verses to Sri Durga]. In reality
the Chandi contain=
s fewer than 700 verses, and the number 700 is
arrived at only through cre=
ative means, such as counting a half
verse as full or a full verse as thre=
e. There must be a good reason
for this, and indeed there is.
The author=
or authors of the Chandi were Shaktas, devotees of the
Mother, and they w=
anted their work to be recognized as comparable to
the Vaishnavas' great s=
cripture, the Bhagavad Gita, which consists
of 700 verses. They wanted to =
show that their view of God as Mother
was as valid as the Vaishnava view o=
f Krishna as the supreme God. Of
course, both texts represent ancient trad=
itions, and even the oldest
Hindu scripture, the Rig Veda, proclaims: ekam=
sat vipra bahuda
vadanti=97"Truth is One, the wise call it by various nam=
es." Many
centuries later, Sri Ramakrishna taught the same when he
said: =
"Krishna is none other than Satchidananda, the Indivisible
Brahman. =85 Th=
at which is Brahman is also Kali. =85 He who is Krishna
is the same as Kal=
i (M., 1012)."
In drawing comparison to the Bhagavad Gita, the authors of=

the
Chandi wanted specifically to emphasize the Divine Mother's role,
li=
ke Krishna's, in upholding the moral order of the universe and in
leading =
humankind to liberation through the highest knowledge of the
Self. The Cha=
ndi and the Gita have much else in common. Each is an
independent text emb=
edded in a larger work. The Gita belongs to the
Mahabharata; the Chandi is=
an interpolation in the Markandeya
Purana. Each is a synthesis of spiritu=
al and philosophical knowledge
drawn from diverse sources. Each begins wit=
h the story of one or
more human beings in crisis, who will learn from a t=
eacher in human
form the way beyond all suffering. And each involves the b=
attlefield
as a metaphor for the field of human consciousness.
The Bhaga=
vad Gita begins on the battlefield, with Arjuna surveying
the armies of hi=
s kinsmen on both sides, arrayed for battle. Plunged
into despair at the t=
hought of killing his friends and relatives, he
turns to his charioteer, K=
rishna, who is none other than God in
human form. Krishna then delivers on=
e of the world's great spiritual
messages. The Chandi begins with King Sur=
atha, likewise plunged into
an existential crisis after losing his kingdom=
in battle.
A wise and just ruler, Suratha discovers that even his truste=
d
ministers have turned against him, and on the pretext of going
hunting,=
he mounts his horse and flees for his life. After riding
for some time in=
to a dense forest, he comes to the ashram of a holy
man named Medhas. This=
forest retreat is a place of great calm and
natural beauty, where even th=
e ordinarily ferocious tiger abides
peacefully with the gentle deer. Yet S=
uratha knows no peace. His
mind churns in agony at the thought of everythi=
ng he has lost: his
kingdom with its riches and privilege, the loyalty of =
his subjects,
the glory of power. These thoughts torment him ceaselessly. =
One day another visitor arrives. His name is Samadhi, and he is

every bi=
t as despondent as the king. Once a prosperous merchant, he
has been cast =
out by his wife and sons, who seized his wealth out of
greed. He is deeply=
hurt by their betrayal and cannot understand it,
being himself a man of g=
ood character. Most of all, he cannot
understand why he still feels love f=
or those who caused his deep
humiliation and pain. And so, the king and th=
e merchant approach
Medhas the seer and ask why they are so miserable. Sur=
ely, as men of
knowledge they ought to know better, but they are deeply pe=
rplexed.
"You say you are men of knowledge," Medhas remarks. "Do you know=
what knowledge is?" He explains that what the king means by

knowledge is=
only the experience of the objective world. Through the
senses, men, bird=
s and beasts alike share such a knowledge, each
species according to its o=
wn capacity. Such knowledge is relative.
In every way, the knowledge gaine=
d through the senses is conditioned
by time and space, and we are constant=
ly deceived. Medhas explains
further that animals act out of instinct; but=
humans have the added
capacity to reason and make choices, although such =
choices are most
often driven by self-interest and the expectation of resu=
lts.
If even our simple sense perceptions are so misleading, how much

mo=
re confounded are we by the added factors of reason, will, memory,
emotion=
and expectation? The operative principle here is that
nothing in this wor=
ld is as it seems to be. Not only are the king
and the merchant perplexed,=
Medhas explains, everyone is, because
even the wise are thrown into the w=
hirlpool of delusion by the
blessed goddess Mahamaya. "Who is this Mahamay=
a?" the king
asks. "Whatever there is to know about her, all that I wish t=
o
learn."
And so we arrive at the heart of the Chandi. The story of the =

king,
the merchant and the seer acts as a frame that encloses three
addit=
ional stories which Medhas relates to instruct his two
disciples. Each sto=
ry is a mythical account of the Divine Mother's
fierce, bloody battles wit=
h demons. Now, we must not dismiss a myth
as a piece of fiction merely bec=
ause it does not describe a
historical event or the world as we know it. I=
nstead, a myth takes
us beyond the realm of fact and into the realm of mea=
ning. Through
symbols, it plumbs our deeper levels of understanding and br=
ings to
light elusive truths that are difficult to convey by ordinary mean=
s.
The Platonic philosopher Synesius of Cyrene summed it up in a single

=
sentence: "Myths are things that never happened, but always are
(Greer, 45=
)." The Chandi is an allegory. Its battlegrounds represent
our own human c=
onsciousness, and its events symbolize our own
experiences. The demons rep=
resent all the evils in the world and all
that is wrong within our minds a=
nd hearts. The Divine Mother is our
own true being, and her clashes with t=
he demons symbolize the
outward and inward struggles we face daily.
Beca=
use there are three myths, the Chandi naturally falls into three
parts, an=
d they can be related to the three gunas, the basic
universal energies or =
qualities of sattva, rajas and tamas. The
first part tells about the Divin=
e Mother in her dark, deluding
aspect that ensnares humankind in the bonds=
of ignorance and
attachment. It teaches us about the nature of reality an=
d asks us to
question: what are divinity, the universe and humankind?
Th=
e second part presents the Mother as the fiery and active power
that vanqu=
ishes evil and upholds the moral order of the universe. It
teaches us how =
to live in this world, where we are torn between good
and evil, right and =
wrong, enjoyment and suffering.
The third part reveals the luminous, bene=

volent form through which
the Mother grants enlightenment and liberation. =
It shows us how to
transcend the world through the higher knowledge of the=
spirit. Side
by side with grisly narratives of bloodshed and slaughter, t=
he
Chandi integrates four hymns that are rich in philosophical and
theolo=
gical content. Of surpassing beauty, these hymns are sublime
outpourings o=
f devotion. The variety of material in the Chandi is a
convenient reminder=
that overall this text can be approached in more
than one way. Its storie=
s can be taken as allegories relating to our
own behavior and circumstance=
s. Its hymns inspire us to devotion for
the personal forms of God as Mothe=
r; and its deeper, philosophical
and esoteric interpretation leads us to t=
he realization of God as
the impersonal supreme reality.
Medhas's first =
myth is short and to the point. During a period of
cosmic dissolution, Vis=
hnu lies sleeping on the thousand-headed
serpent Shesha, who drifts on the=
waters of the undifferentiated
ocean. Sitting on a lotus that grows from =
Vishnu's navel, Brahma,
the Lord of Creation, surveys the four directions.=
Suddenly two
demons, named Madhu and Kaitabha, spring forth from the wax =
in
Vishnu's ears and attempt to kill Brahma. Frantically he tries to
awak=
en Vishnu, but the god is held in the power of Mahamaya, who is
settled ov=
er his eyes as his blessed sleep.
And so Brahma praises Mahamaya with a h=

ymn. She allows Vishnu to
awaken, and he battles with the demons for 5000 =
years, but without
victory. At this point Mahamaya intervenes again. She c=
onfounds
Madhu and Kaitabha with delusions of their own might and grandeur=
.
Look at us, the demons think. Not even Vishnu, the Supreme Lord, can
co=
nquer us. Because he has fought so well, let us offer him a boon.
These bi=
g, lumbering demons are comical in their stupidity, and at
this point we c=
an almost hear them gasp, "Oops! Did we make a
mistake?"
Of course they =
did, because Vishnu replies, "There is only one boon
to ask: that I destro=
y the two of you here and now." In a last-ditch
effort to save themselves,=
Madhu and Kaitabha look around and see
only the endless cosmic ocean. "Ve=
ry well," they say, "but on one
condition: slay us where water does not co=
ver the earth." The
outcome of this story hinges on a pun, because the San=
skrit words
for "earth" and "thigh" are almost the same. And so, Vishnu li=
fts
the two demons to his thighs and cuts off their heads. It is said
tha=
t a pun is the lowest form of humor, and this is fitting, because
Madhu an=
d Kaitabha represent the lowest form of human awareness,
densely shrouded =
in ignorance. Their unprovoked attack on Brahma
reminds us of the senseles=
s violence in our own world, where members
of one religious or political o=
r ethnic group attack people of other
groups only because they are differe=
nt.
Madhu and Kaitabha, in their near-bestial state, recognize no higher =
reality; they are violent, ugly creatures intent on gratifying their

base=
instincts, often expressed through the thrill of intimidation
or brute fo=
rce. In their physical strength they grow exceedingly
vainglorious. But of=
course pride goes before a fall, and their own
arrogance becomes their un=
doing. Through the hymn that Brahma
addresses to Mahamaya, the universal d=
eluder, we learn much about
the universe we inhabit. This hymn, the Brahma=
stuti, is composed in
highly symbolic language that is often difficult to =
interpret, but
it reveals profound insight into the nature of the cosmos. =
Although
the ideas are expressed in devotional terms, the concepts are
sc=
ientific even by today's standards.
The Brahmastuti tells us that creatio=

n is a process of manifestation
that flows from the One to the many. The D=
ivine Mother is the
infinite, nondual consciousness as well as its dynamic=
creative
power; and she is ever present throughout all of creation. Befor=
e
manifestation, she is the bindu, the dimensionless, nonlocalized
point =
of concentrated shakti that contains within itself all
possibilities. This=
sounds very much like the Big Bang theory and
especially like a recent re=
finement of it, known as the Cosmic
Inflation theory. This proposes that t=
he entire universe popped out
of a dimensionless, contentless point and im=
mediately expanded to
cosmic size in a miraculous way, suggesting the agen=
cy of a higher
power.
Let us not forget that the Sanskrit word for "powe=

r" is shakti.
According to Brahma's hymn, the Divine Mother gives birth to=
the
universe, supports it and draws it back into herself in an ever-
repe=
ating cycle, because creation is without an absolute beginning
or an absol=
ute end. In this process, she who is nondual
consciousness veils her radia=
nt boundlessness with the limitations
of time and space, name and form, ca=
use and effect. Through these
limitations she projects the finite world of=
our experience=97a world
that is both dark and dazzling, terrifying and e=
nchanting.
The Divine Mother is the all-encompassing source of good and e=

vil
alike, who expresses herself in every form. Yet beyond this apparent
=
multiplicity, everything=97be it spirit, mind or matter=97is ultimately
on=
e. Philosophically, the Chandi agrees with Sri Ramakrishna's
answer to M.'=
s question, "Is the world unreal?" But when Ramakrishna
first replied that=
it was a matter for philosophical discussion, he
recognized that among th=
emselves Hindus hold more than a single
opinion. A follower of Sankara's A=
dvaita Vedanta would answer, "The
world seems real as long as we experienc=
e it, but once we attain
knowledge of Brahman, the phenomenal world vanish=
es. We think we see
a snake in the semi-darkness, but when the light revea=
ls it to be a
rope, the perception of the snake vanishes."
According to =
the Vedantin, the world is no more real than the
misperceived snake. This =
position is called vivartavada, the
doctrine of appearance, because the ph=
enomenal world is thought to
be a mere appearance superimposed upon the tr=
anscendental unity of
Brahman. The Shakta philosophy takes a different pos=
ition. When
thread is woven into cloth, it undergoes a change of form but =
not of
substance. In becoming cloth, thread takes on the additional
quali=
ties of cloth, but in substance it is still thread. In the same
way, the D=
ivine Mother, who is pure energy and consciousness,
assumes all the names =
and forms and characteristics of the creation,
even while remaining the pu=
re energy and consciousness that is her
true nature. This view is called p=
arinamavada, the doctrine of
transformation.
We find it in the Chandi, w=

here Medhas says of the Divine
Mother: "She is eternal, having the world a=
s her form (DM 1.64)."
And also in Sri Ramakrishna's reply to M.: "The Div=
ine Mother
revealed to me in the Kali temple that it was She who had becom=
e
everything (M., 345)." There is one more point: whichever way we
choose=
to view the world, we still have to live in it. And that is
what the seco=
nd part of the Chandi is all about.
Medhas's second story is intended esp=

ecially for the king. Suratha,
like Arjuna in the Gita, belongs to the rul=
ing and warrior caste,
whose duty is to uphold the moral order of the worl=
d. In the story
that Medhas relates, an ill-tempered buffalo demon, named =
Mahishasura, wages war against heaven, casts out the gods, and
usurps Ind=
ra's throne. When the dispossessed gods seek Vishnu's and
Shiva's help, th=
e Divine Mother herself comes to the rescue.
First from Vishnu's brow, th=

en from the bodies of all the other
gods, a great radiance shines forth an=
d coalesces into the beautiful
form of Durga. The gods bow to her, recogni=
zing that their own
individual powers are only aspects of her supreme powe=
r. After Durga
has slain Mahishasura's forces, she stands on the blood-soa=
ked
battleground facing the buffalo demon himself. Mahishasura,
bellowing=
in confrontation, represents willfulness and monumental
rage. Under his f=
renzied wheeling, the trampled earth breaks apart,
his blasting breath tos=
ses mountains into the air, his lashing tail
causes the oceans to overflow=
, and overhead his mighty horns tear
the gently floating clouds to shreds.=
Consider the symbolism: the power of human anger and greed threatens
to=
destroy everything it touches: the goodness of the nurturing
earth, the s=
tability of the mountains, the expansive beauty of the
oceans, the innocen=
ce of the gentle clouds. Under Durga's attacks
Mahisha changes form=97from=
buffalo to lion to man to elephant, every
time eluding her deathblows. Bu=
t she resolves to slay him, and when
Mahisha returns to his mighty buffalo=
form, she pins him beneath her
foot and thrusts her spear into his side. =
Instantly Mahisha reveals
his true demon form, and Durga beheads him with =
her great sword.
Like Mahisha, we go through life dissatisfied, often agi=

tated,
sometimes full of rage; and the causes of our misery change over
t=
ime. One day it's this, the next day it's something else, and so it
goes. =
Until we can pin down the root cause, our discontent cannot be
overcome, a=
nd like Mahishasura that cause is loath to reveal itself.
Mahisha represen=
ts more than monumental rage. His anger is one of
six passions that afflic=
t our human awareness. The others are lust,
greed, pride, jealousy and del=
usion. Let's analyze them. Lust, or
desire in general, is a longing for gr=
atification. We want
something. Why? Because we feel something is lacking.=
We feel
deficient, limited or separated in some way. When we fail to sati=
sfy
a desire, a common response is anger. Or when a desire is satisfied,
=
a common response is greed: we want more. And so we're caught in an
ongoin=
g cycle. To make matters worse, we can add pride and jealousy
to the mix. =
Let's define pride as a false sense of superiority designed to

convince =
us we're not deficient after all, but in fact better than
anyone else. And=
so we think=97until someone else comes along whom we
see as richer, more =
powerful, more attractive or happier than we
are. Then we fall prey to jea=
lousy=97an apprehensive resentment of
someone else's better condition in l=
ife. All this adds up to
delusion: we are caught up in a misreading of who=
and what we really
are. The Sanskrit word for delusion, moha, comes from =
a root
meaning "to lose consciousness," and herein lies the key to
unders=
tanding.
The Divine Mother is infinite consciousness. When she projects

=
herself as the universe of name and form, that consciousness appears
divid=
ed among all beings. This apparent fragmentation creates the
sense of indi=
viduality. Each individual self experiences its
existence in terms of "I, =
me and mine," as well as "not-I, not-me
and not-mine." And so the trouble =
begins. The root cause of our
inner existential discontent and our outward=
conflicts is the
feeling deep down inside that we are limited, separated =
and
incomplete. We mistakenly identify with the limited ego, when in
fact=
we are the limitless atman. That atman, abiding in every
person, is the t=
rue Self=97the one, undivided reality whose essence is
pure being-consciou=
sness-bliss.
Just as Mahishasura is about to be beheaded by Durga's sword=

of
knowledge, his glance meets hers, and he gets a fleeting glimpse of
t=
hat truth=97that his true identity lies dispassionate and blissful
beyond =
the raging whirlpool of his passions. After he is slain, the
gods celebrat=
e Durga's triumph over Mahishasura in the longest and
most eloquent of the=
Chandi's four hymns. Known as the Shakradistuti
[Praise by Indra and the =
host of gods], it invites us to reflect on
the themes of good and evil, fa=
te and free will, karma and divine
grace.
The hymn praises Durga as "goo=

d fortune in the dwellings of the
virtuous and misfortune in the abodes of=
the wicked (DM 4.5)." On
the surface, this verse implies reward and punis=
hment by a personal
deity. The deeper, philosophical meaning points to an =
impersonal
balancing principle at work in the universe, the law of karma. =
Either way the message is the same: our deeds have consequences. A
centra=
l theme of the hymn is the question of good and evil. A
working definition=
might go like this: good is that which takes us
toward the Divine=97towar=
d harmony, love and unity; evil is that which
distances us from the Divine=
and creates hatred, injury and disunity
in our lives.
Additionally, ref=
erring to the fierce battle that has just taken
place, the hymn asks how M=
ahisha, even though enraged, could be
moved to strike the Mother's gently =
smiling face. From this we can
add another dimension to our definition of =
evil: that it is
intentionally profaning. In the world around us we witnes=
s continual
assaults on all we hold sacred. War, terrorism, genocide, the =
corruption of the innocent, the logging of irreplaceable forests,

and the=
remorseless pollution of the air, water and earth that
support our very e=
xistence=97what evil moves humans to commit such
terrible acts?
Whether =
we are talking about destructive actions, hate-filled
speech, malevolent t=
houghts or even uncaring passivity, let these be
a sobering reminder that =
our collective and individual evil is the
human face of Mahishasura's rage=
. Yet the hymn proclaims that even
toward evildoers the Mother's intention=
s are most gracious. Her
nature is to subdue the misconduct of the wicked.=
Through her
inconceivable grace, even wrongdoers who have committed enoug=
h evil
to keep them long in torment are purified in battle by the touch of=
her weapons and are brought to beatitude.
We are reminded once again of=

the Bhagavadgita. Sri Krishna declares
that whenever righteousness declin=
es and evil spreads, he is born
into the world to protect the good, to des=
troy wickedness, and to re-
establish virtue (BG 4.6-8). On the theme of un=
conditional grace, he
says: "I am alike to all beings; to me none are hate=
ful or dear. =85
If even an evil-doer worships me with utter devotion, he =
should be
regarded as good, for he is rightly resolved. Quickly he becomes=
righteous and attains eternal peace (BG 9.29-31)."

The story of Madhu a=
nd Kaitabha was concerned with the power of
tamas: how in our ordinary sta=
te of being, we all walk around dazed
and confused. In the story of Durga =
and Mahishasura, the power of
rajas predominates. Mahishasura's rajasic en=
ergy controls him and
impels him to destructive acts, but Durga controls h=
er own fiery
splendor. Her rajas is protective of her devotees and intent =
on
destroying evil. Through this story Medhas teaches that through
active=
struggle, we can overcome enslavement to our passions and
live virtuously=
, in harmony with the world.
According to Hindu teaching, life has four l=

egitimate aims. These
are dharma, artha, kama and moksha=97virtuous conduc=
t, material
comfort, enjoyment and liberation. The first three form a cate=
gory
called bhukti, concerned with life in the world. Bhukti is the
king'=
s immediate concern. Having fled to the forest after his
defeat, he has fa=
iled to fulfill his moral responsibility, and he
still feels attraction fo=
r the privileges of kingship. In other
words, he has unfinished business i=
n the world.
How different is the merchant Samadhi. World-weary and ready=

to
renounce the pursuits of dharma, artha and kama, he is ready for
moks=
ha, spiritual liberation. For his sake, Medhas tells his third
and final s=
tory, one that points toward realizing our inner
perfection beyond the wor=
ld. The story has a familiar beginning. Two
demons, named Shumbha and Nish=
umbha, have dispossessed the gods,
stripped them of their powers and appro=
priated their wealth and
privilege. This time the cast of characters is mu=
ch larger, and the
demons seem more like us than the ones we've met previo=
usly.
The complex scenario passes through three phases as we move

progre=
ssively inward. The Mother's successive victories over a
colorful cast of =
demons symbolize our own efforts at purifying our
consciousness of every i=
mperfection and misconceived notion. First
the myth turns the mirror on ou=
r behavior and motivations. Next we
are drawn in deeper to observe the min=
d and its workings, and
finally we face the fundamental question of who or=
what we are.
We first meet Shumbha sitting in his palace amid his glitte=

ring
hoard of stolen treasure. The sickening excess of it all reminds us
=
of our own materialism run amok. Soon the two fawning servants,
Chanda and=
Munda, enter with news that they've seen a young woman of
captivating bea=
uty dwelling in the Himalayas. Playing upon Shumbha's
vanity, they suggest=
that he who is all-wealthy and all-powerful
surely must also possess this=
jewel among women. Little do they know
that she is the Devi, the Divine M=
other herself, in her sattvic
aspect. In the same way, we are drawn to the=
world's enchantments
but forget that they are expressions of the Divine. =
Shumbha, his
lust aroused, wants to claim her as his own, just as we want =
to
possess all that we find attractive and desirable. And just like us,
i=
f one way fails, Shumbha will try another, and another, with
growing frust=
ration.
When his smooth-talking messenger, Sugriva, delivers a marriage

=
proposal, we recognize in him our own lack of complete truthfulness.
At fi=
rst the Devi plays along with delicious irony, but after she
refuses the m=
arriage proposal, Sugriva's honeyed words turn
threatening. If cajoling an=
d deceit don't work, how about force?
Next, Shumbha sends a dim- witted th=
ug named Dhumralochana to fetch
the Devi, kicking and screaming if need be=
. In other words, when we
set our mind to something, how it affects others=
is not necessarily
our concern.
When Dhumralochana's brute force fails,=

Shumbha loses all reason and
sends Chanda and Munda with a huge army to b=
ring back "that vile
woman" in any way or in any condition whatever. Notic=
e how in
Shumbha's agitated mind "the jewel among women" is now "that vile=
woman." What was once so desirable is now the cause of his misery,
and h=
is desire now is only for the triumph of his own will. Don't we
also overr=
eact irrationally when circumstances frustrate our
intentions? The struggl=
e escalates, and the gently smiling Devi
Durga calls forth the terrifying,=
emaciated form of Kali and eight
other fierce goddesses to combat the dem=
on hordes. Each one of these
shaktis is an aspect of her own immense power=
. Each represents a
higher function of our own consciousness.
When Chand=
a and Munda lie dead, a demon named Raktabija strides onto
the battlefield=
. He possesses a unique power. Whenever a drop of his
blood falls to earth=
, another demon of identical size and strength
springs up. In the fighting=
, demons proliferate from his spilled
blood, and utter terror seizes the g=
ods, until Durga merely smiles
and tells Kali to roam the battlefield and =
lap up the drops of blood
as they fall. The demons arising from it soon pe=
rish between her
gnashing teeth; and Raktabija, drained of blood, falls de=
ad.
This scene bridges two levels of reality. On one level the

glistenin=
g red drops of Raktabija's blood represent the overwhelming
power of desir=
e. Like a seed, every desire that falls on the fertile
soil of our mind gr=
ows to maturity and bursts with seeds for the
next planting. Every desire =
produces the seeds of many more, and we
find we are never satisfied. The g=
hastly image of Kali, in her red-
eyed, emaciated form known as Chamunda, a=
vidly licking up the drops
of blood, tells us that desires are best conque=
red when nipped in
the bud.
Another interpretation of the Raktabija episo=

de takes us deeper into
the mind. Patanjali, whose Yoga Sutra systematized=
the science of
meditation more than two thousand years ago, wrote, "Yoga =
is the
control of the thought-waves in the mind." Anyone who has ever sat =
to meditate knows how difficult this is. No matter how hard we try
to con=
centrate, the mind wanders from here to there. One thought
gives rise to a=
nother. Raktabija symbolizes this normal, unruly
state of human consciousn=
ess, where mental energy is scattered and
unfocused. Chamunda Kali is the =
power of concentrated awareness that
subdues the thought-waves and takes u=
s to a calmer, purer state of
consciousness.
Finally, only two demons re=

main, the brothers Shumbha and Nishumbha.
They are almost inseparable, and=
the Chandi calls Nishumbha the
younger brother who is dearer to Shumbha t=
han life itself. Shumbha
represents the ego, and Nishumbha is the sense of=
attachment, the
tag-along sibling that accompanies him everywhere. Earlie=
r we spoke
about the ego as a sense of separate selfhood. What we call ego=
is a
limiting function of consciousness that in Sanskrit is called
ahamk=
ara, literally the "I- maker." It is both a process of
consciousness and t=
he product of that process. Along with the sense
of its own individuality,=
this I-making principle has the power of
self- appropriation that claims =
things as its own.
Here is where Nishumbha comes in. The attachment he re=

presents is
called mamatva, literally, "my-ness." In a sense it is the glu=
e that
holds our identity together. We consciously attach our sense of sel=
f
to things that are not the Self. We identify with our bodily
characteri=
stics, such as sex, size, shape, color. We define
ourselves by our likes a=
nd dislikes, by the people in our lives and
our relationships to them, by =
our professions, leisure activities,
religious or political affiliations a=
nd countless other factors that
combine in ways to make each one of us uni=
que. We use our life's
experiences=97what we do and what happens to us=97t=
o shape and reshape
our identity. And so, our sense of self is constantly =
shifting.
Sri Ramakrishna noted how a fine new garment or a new pair of b=

oots
can change an ordinary man into a swaggering fool, or how money can
=
make a humble man arrogant (M., 169). Is our sense of self so
fragile that=
a slight change of circumstance can cause us to
reformulate ourselves? Ev=
ery factor we identify with is known in
Sanskrit as an upadhi, a defining =
attribute. But upadhi also means a
limiting adjunct. We go through life ac=
quiring upadhis, thinking
they will make our identity bigger and better, b=
ut in reality we are
merely adding to our limitations. Attachments to fame=
, influence,
wealth and possessions only make our burden of personal ident=
ity
heavier. The more we are reined in by our defining attributes, the
mo=
re we lose sight of our larger sense of self.
When we allow our happiness=

and misery to be dictated by things
outside of and foreign to our true na=
ture, we lose our autonomy.
Let's consider the third meaning of upadhi: a =
substitute, anything
that may be taken for something else, an appearance m=
istaken for
reality. Our defining upadhis are components of a false sense =
of our
own identity. In the end, they are no more than worthless tokens of=
our separation from the infinite Self. But how we hold on to them!
When =
the Divine Mother finally slays Nishumbha, we get a graphic
image of the f=
erocity of the struggle. Just when she has the demon
cornered, he sprouts =
ten thousand arms with ten thousand grasping
hands. This picture of ugly d=
esperation illustrates just how
desperate we are not to let go.
Even wit=
h Nishumbha out of the way, there remains the ego-sense
itself, denuded of=
all borrowed attributes. Now Shumbha, alone,
stands face to face with the=
Mother. He points to her companion
goddesses and chides her for relying o=
n the strength of others in
the fight. She answers, "I am alone here in th=
e world. =85 These are
but projections of my own power=85 (DM 10.5). " To =
prove her point,
the Shaktis vanish into her, and she then slays Shumbha. =
This final
victory represents the realization of the true Self.
There is=
no way to describe this immediate, unmediated knowledge of
the atman; but=
that has not stopped mystics of every religious
tradition throughout hist=
ory from trying to express the
inexpressible experience of the Divine. In =
the Svetasvatara
Upanishad, a text certainly known to whoever composed the=
Chandi,
the enlightened seer proclaims, "I have known the unchanging,
pr=
imeval One, the indwelling Self of all, everywhere present and all-
pervadi=
ng, whom the wise declare to be free from birth and eternal
(SU 3.21)."
=
Medhas then relates how the gods again praised the Divine Mother in
a four=
th and final hymn. Three of its verses (DM 11.10-12) are well
known in Ved=
anta circles. They are sung every evening around the
world in temples of t=
he Ramakrishna Order as the arati hymn "Om
Sarva Mangala Mangalye." Then, =
Medhas sends his two disciples to the
bank of a river, where they meditate=
and worship the Mother
devotedly. After three years she appears to them a=
nd offers each a
boon. Suratha, who we remember has unfinished business, a=
sks for the
return of his earthly kingdom, followed by an imperishable kin=
gdom
in the next life. The merchant Samadhi, on the other hand, has grown =
wise and dispassionate. He asks for the knowledge that will dissolve
the =
bondage of worldly existence.
Through the Mother's grace, each boon is gra=

nted, in keeping with
the Chandi's teaching that the Divine Mother is
bhu=
ktimuktipradayini, "the bestower of worldly enjoyment and
liberation (DM11=
.7)." How conversant Sri Ramakrishna was with the
teachings of the Chandi =
is made clear in a conversation he had with
members of the Brahmo Samaj in=
the autumn of 1882. In a single
paragraph that summarizes the essential m=
essage of the Chandi,
Ramakrishna said, "Bondage and liberation are both o=
f Her making. By
her maya worldly people become entangled in `woman and go=
ld,' and
again, through her grace they attain liberation. She is called th=
e
Savior, and the Remover of the bondage that binds one to the world
(M.,=
136)."
A short while later he added, "I tell you the truth: there is
no=
thing wrong in your being in the world. But you must direct your
mind towa=
rd God; otherwise you will not succeed. Do your duty with
one hand and wit=
h the other hold to God. After the duty is over, you
will hold to God with=
both hands (M., 137-138)." On another occasion
Sri Ramakrishna said, "Som=
etimes I find that the universe is
saturated with the Consciousness of God=
, as the earth is soaked with
water in the rainy season (M., 260)." This c=
alls to mind the
Chandi's third hymn, known as the Aparajitastuti, [Hymn t=
o the
Invincible Goddess].
Unlike the three other hymns, which are intim=

ately connected to the
foregoing battle narratives, this one is an ecstati=
c celebration of
the Divine Mother's presence in the world. It reminds us =
simply to
see divinity everywhere around us, because the Mother abides in =
all
beings as intelligence, order, forgiveness, modesty, peace, beauty,
g=
ood fortune, compassion, contentment, and in countless other ways.
We need=
only to remember her presence; and as a sign of her grace,
it is she hers=
elf who abides in us even in the form of memory.
We conclude with two ver=

ses from this hymn: "To her who presides
over the elements and the senses =
and is ever present in all beings,
to the all-pervading Devi, salutations =
again and again. To her who
pervades this entire world and abides in the f=
orm of consciousness,
salutation to her, salutation to her, salutation to =
her, again and
again (DM 5.77-80)."
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Subject: Fwd: Chandi Sapathasati Rahasya as per Shri Bhaskarananda Saraswathi
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Namaste Sir,
This is an absolutely brilliant exposition. Thank you for posting it. Swami
Bhaskarananda Saraswati is undoubtedly a profound scholar and a great yogi.
There are those who are highly scholarly and there are those who have
experienced. Those with scholarship and experience are so rare.
Whenever I think of Swami Bhaskarananda, I am reminded of a small episode

involving Swami Akhandananda. He was one of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa's 16
direct disciples. He wandered all over India and met many saints. When in
Varanasi, he met Trilinga Swami and took his blessings. Then he went and met
Swami Bhaskarananda. Bhaskarananda was impressed with the young man and
wanted to teach Vedas to him. Swami Akhandananda (he was only known as
Gangadhar then - not renounced yet) politely refused saying, "The power of
sight which I would use for attaining knowledge by reading books, please
turn it inward, so that I can experience Atman". Bhaskarananda was not
offended. Instead, he marvelled at the young man and remarked, "I see you
are a yogi."
There is much to learn from this small episode...
Best regards,
Narasimha
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> From: "Saravanan Balaraman" <ethinder@...>
> To: <sivacharya@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 1:39 PM
> Subject: [sivacharya] Fwd: Chandi Sapathasati Rahasya as per Shri
> Bhaskarananda Saraswathi
>
>
> --- In ambaa-l@yahoogroups.com, venkata sriram
> <sriram_sapthasathi@...> wrote:
>
> Dear members,
>
> This is the Chandi Sapthasati Rahasya which was expounded by a
> great Dattatreya Upasaka. The turiya asrama name of this upasaka is
> Shri Bhaskarananda Saraswati who happens to be the devi upasaka in
> the lineage of Shri Vasudevananda Saraswati (Tembe Maharaj). There
> is no whereabouts of this great upasaka but I got some of the
> wonderful manuscripts related to Chandi Sapthasati Rahasya and Yoga
> Gayatri Upasana, its process of meditation and the process of Shat
> Chakra Bhedana.
>
> Though the presentation of entire contents of the manuscripts is
> not possible for me as the manuscripts runs into 150 pages, here is
> an attempt of mine to highlight some of the important points which
> may be useful to the upasakas. However, this should be learnt from
> sadguru hailing from sat-sampradaya.
>
> The 3 charitas of sapthasati are the symbolic representation of 3
> knots or grandhis namely brahma grandhi, Vishnu grandhi and rudra
> grandhi. The chit-AbhAsa (false identification of the sthula,
> sukshma and karana dehas to be ?oone ?Ts own self ? ). This
> ?~chidAbhAsa ? is of 3 types: karmaja, sahaja and bhramaja.
>
> Brahma grandhi is the identification of oneself with sthula deha
> (sthula deha abhimana). The sthula and sukshma deha tAdAtmyata
> (false identification of oneself with gross and subtle body). This is
> Karmaja Chidabhasa. The annihilation of pUrvajanma vAsanAs in the
> form of ?oMala ? or ?odirt ? is Brahma Grandhi Bhedana.
>
> Vishnu Grandhi is the identification of oneself with sukshma deha
> (sukshma deha abhimana). AntahkaraNa-chidAbhAsa-tadAtmyata is the
> Sahaja ChidAbhAsa. Annihilation of manO-vikshEpa is the Vishnu
> Grandhi Bhedana.
>
> Rudra Grandhi is the identification of oneself with Karana deha
> (chidAbhAsa adhishTAna chaitanya tAdAtmyata). This is Bhramaja
> Chidabhasa. The dawn of sva-svarupa jnana when the avarana dosha
> (veil of ignorance in the form of Avidya) is removed is the Rudra
> Grandhi Bhedana.
>
> So, Brahma-Vishnu-Rudra Grandhis are the 3 episodes or charitas of
> Chandi Sapthasati. The sumedha rishi of Sapthasathi is the Rishi
> Haritayana who was initiated into Srividya by Shri Parashurama.
> Parashurama inturn was initiated by Sage Dattatreya.
>
> Shri Bhaskarananda Saraswathi explaining the inner significance of
> Sapthsati says that ?osavarni ? is the surya sakti,
> ?osvArochisha ? is the svarga-sambandha-jyoti,
> ?ochaitravamshasamudbhavah ? is the being born and re-born as
> different species (chitra vichitra janma), ?okshitimandala ? is the
> gross physical body or sarira, ?osuratha ? is the jiva who is
> interested in 3rd purusharta ie., kama and ?oSamadhi ? is the jiva
> who is interested in 4th purushartha ie., moksha.
>
>
> Vishnu-karna-mala is the ?omala ? or ?odirt ? or ?ocovering ?
> around the chidAkasa (Vishnu-karna). During the dissolution, Vishnu
> is one with Yogamaya and hence Chit swarupa. Karna is the sruti
> (ear) whose tanmatra is sound. So, Madhu and Kaitabha are the Mala /
> Dirt that covers the Nirmala Chidakasa. Madhu is the Ananda Lakshana
> and Kaitabha is the ?omyriad of insects ? in the form of Sanchita
> Karma. The Brahma which is symbolic representation of Manas (Mind)
> praises the Mahamaya to annihilate the Madhu-Kaitabha in the form of
> Sanchita Karma. Waking up of Vishnu is the MahAprANa in Action.
>
> So, annihilitation of Madhu-Kaitabha is the removal of Karmajata-
> tadAtmyata in the form of brahmagrandhi bhedana (Vasana Kshaya).
>
> The Madhyama Charita indicates the Vishnu Grandhi Bhedana which is
> of the form of Sahaja Chidabhasa. Mahishasura represents Rajo Guna
> in the form of Krodha (anger).
>
> Shri Bhaskarananda Saraswati also describes a ?oSecret Upanishad
> Vidya ? which is embedded in Madhyama Charita. This is called
> ?oJyotishmati Vidya ? . The Nada which the Devi makes is the
> Anahata Dhwani and the Simha (lion) vahana is the Himsa dharma which
> the sadhaka has to adopt during the upasana. The Jiva with Himsa
> Bhava should annihilate his Jiva-bhava. The vyashti prana of the
> Jiva dissolves in Samasti Prana. When this is achieved, the Sukshma-
> deha abhimana drops off. This is Vishnu Grandhi Bhedana. This is
> the victory over sahaja-chidAbhAsa.
>
> Though among the 5 kosas, the Jiva has penetrated till Vijnana-maya
> Kosa, he still faces the lack of BrahmAnubhUti which is only through
> AparOksha Jnana. With the dawn of Aparoksha Jnana, the last knot is
> removed which is Rudra Grandhi. With the removal of veil of
> ignorance, the avarana drops in the form of Bhramaja ChidAbhAsa.
>
> Chanda denotes mUlAvidya; munda denotes tUlAvidya; dhUmralOchana
> denotes bhrAnti, raktabIja denotes bhOga lAlasa (bhOga vAncha);
> shumbha denotes ahamkara; nishumbha denotes mamakara. The 8 armies of
> shumbha-nishumbha denotes:
> ghriNa, lajja, bhaya, shanka, jugupsa, kula, shIla, jAti. These 8
> tendencies are 8 pAsAs (ashta-pAsa). To remove these 8 pasas, the 8
> vidya murtis come forth in the form of Brahmi, ? ..etc.
>
> Shri Bhaskarananda Saraswati explains wonderfully the Chandi
> Navakshari Mantra taking the pramana from Damara Tantra and Shri
> Bhaskara. Chamunda is the destroyer of Mula Avidya and Tula Avidya.
>
> There are 3 devatas in Urdhwa Amnaya. They are Viccheswari,
> Hamseshwari, Samvartheshwari. Vicche is the address to this Urdhwa
> Amnaya Devata ?oViccheshwari ? which is the ?overy auspicious
> deity ? and ?oever intent in giving liberation out of
> compassion ? . This is the ?ochitkala rupa parama Ardra dEvta ?
> which bestows the ?opralaya jnana ? to the upasaka. Moreover,
> ?ovicche ? is vit+cha+I which implies ?ochit ? , ?osat ? and
> Ananda rupa of the Chamunda which is tri-shati rupini as Mahakali
> (aim), Mahalakshi (hrim) and Mahasaraswati (klim). To such Chamunda
> who destroys the Mula Avidya and Tula Avidya, I bow.
>
> This is the Chandi Sapthasati Rahasya given by Paramahamsa
> Parivrajakacharya Bhaskarananda Saraswathi who hails from Datta
> Sampradaya.
>
> With regards,
> sriram

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Dear Sriram
=C2=A0
Thank you for the post. Really wonderful. Infact this ex=
planation is very very similar to the explanation that Lahiri Mahasaya had =
given to some his disciples and people who used to come to him. There were =
two entries in Lahiri Mahasays diaries, which were later discovered by peop=
le after Lahiri Mahasaya had left his mortal body, where he mentions one ni=
ght he had been doing the kriya all night and he saw the ten mahavidyas man=
ifesting infornt of him one after the other, and he understood what each on=
e really means and what is the yogic link.
=C2=A0
Also Sri Bhaskarananda Sw=
araswati was one of the saints from a different lineage who had come to Lah=
iri Mahasaya for higher level kriyas. The other person was Balananda Brahma=
chari. All these information were found out from Lahiri Mahasayas diary lat=
er on.
=C2=A0
Infact there was a small anecdote regarding Bhaskaranandaji =
and Lahiri Mahasaya. There was a person who was a disciple of Bhaskarananda=
ji, who also used to visit Lahiri Mahasaya. Bhaskarananadaji had heard of L=
ahiri Mahasaya and wanted to meet him. So he asked his disple of invite Lah=
iri Mahasaya. During those days Lahiri Mahasay rarely used to leave his hom=
e. Almost 24 hrs he used to be seated in his room and people used to visit =
him for discussions etc. On hearing the request of the disciple that Bhaska=
ranandaji had wanted to meet Lahiri Mahasaya, Lahiri Mahasaya kept silent f=
or a moment and then said, when a person is thirsty he must come to the wel=
l and not the other way. Later on Lahiri Mahasaya used to speak very highly=
of Bhaskaranandaji and his level of spirituality.
=C2=A0
I guess this is a=
nother example of how lineages get interconnected, as our Narasimhaji was s=
aying in a previous mail.
=C2=A0
-Regards
=C2=A0Rajarshi
"This above all=

: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet
--- On Sat, 11/10/08, Narasimha P.V=

.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrote:
From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter.n=

et>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Fwd: Chandi Sapathasati Rahasya as per Shri Bha=
skarananda Saraswathi
Date: Saturday, 11 O=
ctober, 2008, 3:00 AM
From: "Saravanan =
Balaraman" <ethinder@hotmail. com>
To: <sivacharya@yahoogro ups.com>
Sent: =
Friday, October 10, 2008 1:39 PM
Subject: [sivacharya] Fwd: Chandi Sapathas=
ati Rahasya as per Shri
--- In ambaa-l@yahoogrou=
ps .com, venkata sriram
<sriram_sapthasathi @...> wrote:
Dear members,
Th=
is is the Chandi Sapthasati Rahasya which was expounded by a
great Dattatre=
ya Upasaka. The turiya asrama name of this upasaka is
Shri Bhaskarananda Sa=
raswati who happens to be the devi upasaka in
the lineage of Shri Vasudevan=
anda Saraswati (Tembe Maharaj). There
is no whereabouts of this great upasa=
ka but I got some of the
wonderful manuscripts related to Chandi Sapthasati=
Rahasya and Yoga
Gayatri Upasana, its process of meditation and the proces=
s of Shat
Chakra Bhedana.
Though the presentation of entire contents of th=

e manuscripts is
not possible for me as the manuscripts runs into 150 pages=
, here is
an attempt of mine to highlight some of the important points whic=
h
may be useful to the upasakas. However, this should be learnt from
sadgur=
u hailing from sat-sampradaya.
The 3 charitas of sapthasati are the symbol=

ic representation of 3
knots or grandhis namely brahma grandhi, Vishnu gran=
dhi and rudra
grandhi. The chit-AbhAsa (false identification of the sthula,=
sukshma and karana dehas to be =EF=BF=BD?oone=EF=BF=BD?Ts own self=EF=BF=

=BD?=EF=BF=BD). This
=EF=BF=BD?~chidAbhAsa=EF=BF=BD ?=EF=BF=BD is of 3 type=
s: karmaja, sahaja and bhramaja.
Brahma grandhi is the identification of o=

neself with sthula deha
(sthula deha abhimana). The sthula and sukshma deha=
tAdAtmyata
(false identification of oneself with gross and subtle body). T=
his is
Karmaja Chidabhasa. The annihilation of pUrvajanma vAsanAs in the
fo=
rm of =EF=BF=BD?oMala=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD or =EF=BF=BD?odirt=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=
=BD is Brahma Grandhi Bhedana.
Vishnu Grandhi is the identification of one=

self with sukshma deha
(sukshma deha abhimana). AntahkaraNa- chidAbhAsa- ta=
dAtmyata is the
Sahaja ChidAbhAsa. Annihilation of manO-vikshEpa is the Vis=
hnu
Grandhi Bhedana.
Rudra Grandhi is the identification of oneself with K=

arana deha
(chidAbhAsa adhishTAna chaitanya tAdAtmyata). This is Bhramaja
C=
hidabhasa. The dawn of sva-svarupa jnana when the avarana dosha
(veil of ig=
norance in the form of Avidya) is removed is the Rudra
Grandhi Bhedana.
So=
, Brahma-Vishnu- Rudra Grandhis are the 3 episodes or charitas of
Chandi Sa=
pthasati. The sumedha rishi of Sapthasathi is the Rishi
Haritayana who was =
initiated into Srividya by Shri Parashurama.
Parashurama inturn was initiat=
ed by Sage Dattatreya.
Shri Bhaskarananda Saraswathi explaining the inner =

significance of
Sapthsati says that =EF=BF=BD?osavarni=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD i=
s the surya sakti,
=EF=BF=BD?osvArochisha=EF=BF=BD ?=EF=BF=BD is the svarga=
-sambandha- jyoti,
=EF=BF=BD?ochaitravamshasamu dbhavah=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD =
is the being born and re-born as
different species (chitra vichitra janma),=
=EF=BF=BD?okshitimandala=EF=BF=BD ?=EF=BF=BD is the
gross physical body or=
sarira, =EF=BF=BD?osuratha=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD is the jiva who is
intereste=
d in 3rd purusharta ie., kama and =EF=BF=BD?oSamadhi=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD is =
the jiva
who is interested in 4th purushartha ie., moksha.
Vishnu-karna- m=
ala is the =EF=BF=BD?omala=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD or =EF=BF=BD?odirt=EF=BF=BD?=
=EF=BF=BD or =EF=BF=BD?ocovering=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD
around the chidAkasa (V=
ishnu-karna) . During the dissolution, Vishnu
is one with Yogamaya and henc=
e Chit swarupa. Karna is the sruti
(ear) whose tanmatra is sound. So, Madhu=
and Kaitabha are the Mala /
Dirt that covers the Nirmala Chidakasa. Madhu =
is the Ananda Lakshana
and Kaitabha is the =EF=BF=BD?omyriad of insects=EF=
=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD in the form of Sanchita
Karma. The Brahma which is symboli=
c representation of Manas (Mind)
praises the Mahamaya to annihilate the Mad=
hu-Kaitabha in the form of
Sanchita Karma. Waking up of Vishnu is the MahAp=
rANa in Action.
So, annihilitation of Madhu-Kaitabha is the removal of Kar=

majata-
tadAtmyata in the form of brahmagrandhi bhedana (Vasana Kshaya).
T=
he Madhyama Charita indicates the Vishnu Grandhi Bhedana which is
of the fo=
rm of Sahaja Chidabhasa. Mahishasura represents Rajo Guna
in the form of Kr=
odha (anger).
Shri Bhaskarananda Saraswati also describes a =EF=BF=BD?oSec=

ret Upanishad
Vidya=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD which is embedded in Madhyama Charit=
a. This is called
=EF=BF=BD?oJyotishmati Vidya=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD. The Nada=
which the Devi makes is the
Anahata Dhwani and the Simha (lion) vahana is =
the Himsa dharma which
the sadhaka has to adopt during the upasana. The Jiv=
a with Himsa
Bhava should annihilate his Jiva-bhava. The vyashti prana of t=
he
Jiva dissolves in Samasti Prana. When this is achieved, the Sukshma-
deh=
a abhimana drops off. This is Vishnu Grandhi Bhedana. This is
the victory o=
ver sahaja-chidAbhAsa.
Though among the 5 kosas, the Jiva has penetrated t=

ill Vijnana-maya
Kosa, he still faces the lack of BrahmAnubhUti which is on=
ly through
AparOksha Jnana. With the dawn of Aparoksha Jnana, the last knot=
is
removed which is Rudra Grandhi. With the removal of veil of
ignorance, =
the avarana drops in the form of Bhramaja ChidAbhAsa.
Chanda denotes mUlAv=

idya; munda denotes tUlAvidya; dhUmralOchana
denotes bhrAnti, raktabIja den=
otes bhOga lAlasa (bhOga vAncha);
shumbha denotes ahamkara; nishumbha denot=
es mamakara. The 8 armies of
shumbha-nishumbha denotes:
ghriNa, lajja, bhay=
a, shanka, jugupsa, kula, shIla, jAti. These 8
tendencies are 8 pAsAs (asht=
a-pAsa) . To remove these 8 pasas, the 8
vidya murtis come forth in the for=
m of Brahmi, =EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD..etc.
Shri Bhaskarananda Saraswati explai=

ns wonderfully the Chandi
Navakshari Mantra taking the pramana from Damara =
Tantra and Shri
Bhaskara. Chamunda is the destroyer of Mula Avidya and Tula=
Avidya.
There are 3 devatas in Urdhwa Amnaya. They are Viccheswari,

Hamse=
shwari, Samvartheshwari. Vicche is the address to this Urdhwa
Amnaya Devata=
=EF=BF=BD?oViccheshwari=EF=BF=BD ?=EF=BF=BD which is the =EF=BF=BD?overy a=
uspicious
deity=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD and =EF=BF=BD?oever intent in giving lib=
eration out of
compassion=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD. This is the =EF=BF=BD?ochitka=
la rupa parama Ardra dEvta=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD
which bestows the =EF=BF=BD?o=
pralaya jnana=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD to the upasaka. Moreover,
=EF=BF=BD?ovicch=
e=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD is vit+cha+I which implies =EF=BF=BD?ochit=EF=BF=BD?=
=EF=BF=BD, =EF=BF=BD?osat=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD and
Ananda rupa of the Chamund=
a which is tri-shati rupini as Mahakali
(aim), Mahalakshi (hrim) and Mahasa=
raswati (klim). To such Chamunda
who destroys the Mula Avidya and Tula Avid=
ya, I bow.
This is the Chandi Sapthasati Rahasya given by Paramahamsa

Pari=
vrajakacharya Bhaskarananda Saraswathi who hails from Datta
Sampradaya.
Wi=
th regards,
sriram
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Dear Sriram</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV=
>Thank you for the post. Really wonderful. Infact this explanation is very =
very similar to the explanation that Lahiri Mahasaya had given to some his =
disciples and people who used to come to him. There were two entries in Lah=
iri Mahasays diaries, which were later discovered by people after Lahiri Ma=
hasaya had left his mortal body, where he mentions one night he had been do=
ing the kriya all night and he saw the ten mahavidyas manifesting infornt o=
f him one after the other, and he understood what each one really means and=
what is the yogic link.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Also Sri Bhaskaranand=
a Swaraswati was one of the saints from a different lineage who had come to=
Lahiri Mahasaya for higher level kriyas. The other person was Balananda Br=
ahmachari. All these information were found out from Lahiri Mahasayas diary=
later on. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Infact there was a small anecdote =
regarding Bhaskaranandaji and Lahiri Mahasaya. There was a person who was a=
disciple of Bhaskaranandaji, who also used to visit Lahiri Mahasaya. Bhask=
arananadaji had heard of Lahiri Mahasaya and wanted to meet him. So he aske=
d his disple of invite Lahiri Mahasaya. During those days Lahiri Mahasay ra=
rely used to leave his home. Almost 24 hrs he used to be seated in his room=
and people used to visit him for discussions etc. On hearing the request o=
f the disciple that Bhaskaranandaji had wanted to meet Lahiri Mahasaya, Lah=
iri Mahasaya kept silent for a moment and then said, when a person is thirs=
ty he must come to the well and not the other way. Later on Lahiri Mahasaya=
used to speak very highly of Bhaskaranandaji and his level of spirituality=
.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I guess this is another example of how linea=
ges get interconnected, as our Narasimhaji was saying in a previous mail.</=
DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV> Rajarshi<BR><BR></DIV=
>
<DIV><EM><STRONG>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE=
: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This above all: to thine own se=
lf be true!" - Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- =
On <B>Sat, 11/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@...></I></B=
> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORD=
ER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@chart=
er.net><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Fwd: Chandi Sapathasati Rahasya as pe=
r Shri Bhaskarananda Saraswathi<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date=
: Saturday, 11 October, 2008, 3:00 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV=
id=3Dygrp-text>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Saravanan Bal=
araman" <<A href=3D"mailto:ethinder%40hotmail.com" target=3D_blank rel=
=3Dnofollow>ethinder@hotmail. com</A>><BR>To: <<A href=3D"mailto:siva=
charya%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>sivacharya@yahoogr=
o ups.com</A>><BR>Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 1:39 PM<BR>Subject: [si=
vacharya] Fwd: Chandi Sapathasati Rahasya as per Shri <BR>Bhaskarananda Sar=
aswathi<BR><BR>--- In <A href=3D"mailto:ambaa-l%40yahoogroups.com" target=
=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>ambaa-l@yahoogroups .com</A>, venkata sriram<BR>&l=
t;sriram_sapthasathi @...> wrote:<BR><BR>Dear members,<BR><BR>This is th=
e Chandi Sapthasati Rahasya which was expounded by a<BR>great Dattatreya Up=
asaka. The turiya asrama name of this upasaka is<BR>Shri Bhaskarananda Sara=
swati who happens to be the devi upasaka in<BR>the lineage of Shri Vasudeva=
nanda Saraswati (Tembe Maharaj). There<BR>is no whereabouts of this great u=
pasaka but I got some of
the<BR>wonderful manuscripts related to Chandi Sa=
pthasati Rahasya and Yoga<BR>Gayatri Upasana, its process of meditation and=
the process of Shat<BR>Chakra Bhedana.<BR><BR>Though the presentation of e=
ntire contents of the manuscripts is<BR>not possible for me as the manuscri=
pts runs into 150 pages, here is<BR>an attempt of mine to highlight some of=
the important points which<BR>may be useful to the upasakas. However, this=
should be learnt from<BR>sadguru hailing from sat-sampradaya.<BR><BR>The 3=
charitas of sapthasati are the symbolic representation of 3<BR>knots or gr=
andhis namely brahma grandhi, Vishnu grandhi and rudra<BR>grandhi. The chit=
-AbhAsa (false identification of the sthula,<BR>sukshma and karana dehas to=
be =EF=BF=BD?oone=EF=BF=BD?Ts own self=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD). This<BR>=EF=BF=
=BD?~chidAbhAsa=EF=BF=BD ?=EF=BF=BD is of 3 types: karmaja, sahaja and bhra=
maja.<BR><BR>Brahma grandhi is the identification of oneself with sthula de=
ha<BR>(sthula deha abhimana). The sthula and sukshma deha
tAdAtmyata<BR>(f=
alse identification of oneself with gross and subtle body). This is<BR>Karm=
aja Chidabhasa. The annihilation of pUrvajanma vAsanAs in the<BR>form of =
=EF=BF=BD?oMala=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD or =EF=BF=BD?odirt=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD is=
Brahma Grandhi Bhedana.<BR><BR>Vishnu Grandhi is the identification of one=
self with sukshma deha<BR>(sukshma deha abhimana). AntahkaraNa- chidAbhAsa-=
tadAtmyata is the<BR>Sahaja ChidAbhAsa. Annihilation of manO-vikshEpa is t=
he Vishnu<BR>Grandhi Bhedana.<BR><BR>Rudra Grandhi is the identification of=
oneself with Karana deha<BR>(chidAbhAsa adhishTAna chaitanya tAdAtmyata). =
This is Bhramaja<BR>Chidabhasa. The dawn of sva-svarupa jnana when the avar=
ana dosha<BR>(veil of ignorance in the form of Avidya) is removed is the Ru=
dra<BR>Grandhi Bhedana.<BR><BR>So, Brahma-Vishnu- Rudra Grandhis are the 3 =
episodes or charitas of<BR>Chandi Sapthasati. The sumedha rishi of Sapthasa=
thi is the Rishi<BR>Haritayana who was initiated into Srividya by Shri
Par=
ashurama.<BR>Parashurama inturn was initiated by Sage Dattatreya.<BR><BR>Sh=
ri Bhaskarananda Saraswathi explaining the inner significance of<BR>Sapthsa=
ti says that =EF=BF=BD?osavarni=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD is the surya sakti,<BR>=
=EF=BF=BD?osvArochisha=EF=BF=BD ?=EF=BF=BD is the svarga-sambandha- jyoti,<=
BR>=EF=BF=BD?ochaitravamshasamu dbhavah=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD is the being bor=
n and re-born as<BR>different species (chitra vichitra janma), =EF=BF=BD?ok=
shitimandala=EF=BF=BD ?=EF=BF=BD is the<BR>gross physical body or sarira, =
=EF=BF=BD?osuratha=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD is the jiva who is<BR>interested in 3=
rd purusharta ie., kama and =EF=BF=BD?oSamadhi=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD is the ji=
va<BR>who is interested in 4th purushartha ie., moksha.<BR><BR>Vishnu-karna=
- mala is the =EF=BF=BD?omala=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD or =EF=BF=BD?odirt=EF=BF=
=BD?=EF=BF=BD or =EF=BF=BD?ocovering=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD<BR>around the chidA=
kasa (Vishnu-karna) . During the dissolution, Vishnu<BR>is one with Yogamay=
a and hence Chit swarupa. Karna is the sruti<BR>(ear) whose tanmatra is sou=
nd. So, Madhu and Kaitabha are the Mala /<BR>Dirt that covers the Nirmala
=
Chidakasa. Madhu is the Ananda Lakshana<BR>and Kaitabha is the =EF=BF=BD?om=
yriad of insects=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD in the form of Sanchita<BR>Karma. The B=
rahma which is symbolic representation of Manas (Mind)<BR>praises the Maham=
aya to annihilate the Madhu-Kaitabha in the form of<BR>Sanchita Karma. Waki=
ng up of Vishnu is the MahAprANa in Action.<BR><BR>So, annihilitation of Ma=
dhu-Kaitabha is the removal of Karmajata-<BR>tadAtmyata in the form of brah=
magrandhi bhedana (Vasana Kshaya).<BR><BR>The Madhyama Charita indicates th=
e Vishnu Grandhi Bhedana which is<BR>of the form of Sahaja Chidabhasa. Mahi=
shasura represents Rajo Guna<BR>in the form of Krodha (anger).<BR><BR>Shri =
Bhaskarananda Saraswati also describes a =EF=BF=BD?oSecret Upanishad<BR>Vid=
ya=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD which is embedded in Madhyama Charita. This is called=
<BR>=EF=BF=BD?oJyotishmati Vidya=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD. The Nada which the Dev=
i makes is the<BR>Anahata Dhwani and the Simha (lion) vahana is the Himsa d=
harma which<BR>the sadhaka has to adopt during
the upasana. The Jiva with =
Himsa<BR>Bhava should annihilate his Jiva-bhava. The vyashti prana of the<B=
R>Jiva dissolves in Samasti Prana. When this is achieved, the Sukshma-<BR>d=
eha abhimana drops off. This is Vishnu Grandhi Bhedana. This is<BR>the vict=
ory over sahaja-chidAbhAsa.<BR><BR>Though among the 5 kosas, the Jiva has p=
enetrated till Vijnana-maya<BR>Kosa, he still faces the lack of BrahmAnubhU=
ti which is only through<BR>AparOksha Jnana. With the dawn of Aparoksha Jna=
na, the last knot is<BR>removed which is Rudra Grandhi. With the removal of=
veil of<BR>ignorance, the avarana drops in the form of Bhramaja ChidAbhAsa=
.<BR><BR>Chanda denotes mUlAvidya; munda denotes tUlAvidya; dhUmralOchana<B=
R>denotes bhrAnti, raktabIja denotes bhOga lAlasa (bhOga vAncha);<BR>shumbh=
a denotes ahamkara; nishumbha denotes mamakara. The 8 armies of<BR>shumbha-=
nishumbha denotes:<BR>ghriNa, lajja, bhaya, shanka, jugupsa, kula, shIla, j=
Ati. These 8<BR>tendencies are 8 pAsAs
(ashta-pAsa) . To remove these 8 pa=
sas, the 8<BR>vidya murtis come forth in the form of Brahmi, =EF=BF=BD?=EF=
=BF=BD..etc.<BR><BR>Shri Bhaskarananda Saraswati explains wonderfully the C=
handi<BR>Navakshari Mantra taking the pramana from Damara Tantra and Shri<B=
R>Bhaskara. Chamunda is the destroyer of Mula Avidya and Tula Avidya.<BR><B=
R>There are 3 devatas in Urdhwa Amnaya. They are Viccheswari,<BR>Hamseshwar=
i, Samvartheshwari. Vicche is the address to this Urdhwa<BR>Amnaya Devata =
=EF=BF=BD?oViccheshwari=EF=BF=BD ?=EF=BF=BD which is the =EF=BF=BD?overy au=
spicious<BR>deity=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD and =EF=BF=BD?oever intent in giving l=
iberation out of<BR>compassion=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD. This is the =EF=BF=BD?oc=
hitkala rupa parama Ardra dEvta=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD<BR>which bestows the =EF=
=BF=BD?opralaya jnana=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD to the upasaka. Moreover,<BR>=EF=
=BF=BD?ovicche=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD is vit+cha+I which implies =EF=BF=BD?ochi=
t=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD, =EF=BF=BD?osat=EF=BF=BD?=EF=BF=BD and<BR>Ananda rupa =
of the Chamunda which is tri-shati rupini as Mahakali<BR>(aim), Mahalakshi =
(hrim) and Mahasaraswati (klim). To such
Chamunda<BR>who destroys the Mula=
Avidya and Tula Avidya, I bow.<BR><BR>This is the Chandi Sapthasati Rahasy=
a given by Paramahamsa<BR>Parivrajakacharya Bhaskarananda Saraswathi who ha=
ils from Datta<BR>Sampradaya.<BR><BR>With regards,<BR>sriram<BR><BR></DIV><=
/DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table><br>
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Namaste Madam,
It took a while to get to your mail. I am cc'ing the reply=

to some yahoogroups interested in spirituality, while ensuring your anonym=
ity.
A lot of philosophical questions can be answered in multiple ways. T=

here is no single correct answer. The answer appropriate for one person is =
inappropriate for another. If I say "God is the doer of all things. When Ar=
juna killed his gurus and elders, actually God did it through him", a lesse=
r person may imitate it and that will be unfortunate. But that will be a ve=
ry appropriate point to make to a more elevated person who still has a sens=
e of ownership over his actions and need to give it up.
Thus, one cannot =

answer questions such as yours without understanding the current spiritual =
level of the asking person. Otherwise the answer will be utterly useless. I=
will go by my gut and answer the way I think will be useful to you and som=
e others on the vedic-wisdom yahoogroup.
* * *
1. God cre=
ated human beings and other beings so that there is some commotion in the A=
tman (cosmic soul). If there is no different beings with different qualitie=
s, the whole universe will be filled with Atman (cosmic soul). That too hap=
pens for a while. But, at other times, various beings with various qualitie=
s are created. An ocean may be still for a while and give rise to a lot of =
waves for a while. If cosmic soul is like an ocean, various beings are like=
waves in the ocean.
2. God decides based on the cumulative good/bad of a=

ll your previous actions and wishes over all your lives so far. If you have=
good tendencies, it is because of good actions and wishes in the past. If =
you have bad tendencies, it is because of bad actions and wishes in the pas=
t. All you can do is to engage in good actions and have good wishes. That w=
ill keep you in good stead in future.
3. Your own free will!!!! That is w=

hy now you have to pay for it. Nature works on the principle of "equal reac=
tion to every action". You engaged in an action using your own free will an=
d nature has to somehow find a way to give the equal reaction to that actio=
n. God is there to implement the rules of nature.
The circumstances faced=

by you are decides by nature based on the previous actions exerted by your=
free will. Within the limitations imposed by those circumstances, your fre=
e will decides one particular action among several possible actions. That g=
ets added to the list of your actions and nature pays back for it in future=
by creating different circumstances for you to operate under.
4. There i=
s a duality and singularity. In the world of singularity, there is one god =
- the cosmic being. Gods and demons, good and bad, auspiciousness and inaus=
piciousness, intelligence and foolishness, happiness and sadness, knowledge=
and ignorance, punya and sin - all are nothing but this singular god. Ther=
e is nothing but that singular god. That singular god lives in all of us, i=
n each molecule, atom and sub-atomic particle of this universe. The entire =
core of our being is filled with this singular god.
When the same world i=

s seen through the lense of duality, this singular god manifests as differe=
nt entities. In the world of duality, there are various gods engaged in var=
ious good roles and various demons engaged in various bad roles. There is a=
lways a tussle between them.
Now again, all these gods and demons engaged=

in various good and bad roles exist within us in a microcosmic form. The B=
rihaspati (teacher of gods) within us (i.e. our intelligence and discretion=
) tells the gods within us (various good qualities) what to do and works fo=
r their victory. Various gods and demons discharge their roles. But the res=
ult varies.
If a person's spiritual evolution is like that of the world w=

hen Ravana was ruling earth, then the demons inside the person will be domi=
nating over the gods and gods go into hiding within that person. He will en=
gage in sins. If a person's spiritual evolution is like that of the world w=
hen Rama killed Ravana and ruled earth in peace and prosperity, then the go=
ds inside that person will be dominating over the demons. Ge will engage in=
good deeds. And so on.
So, realize that there are gods and demons inside=

us and there is a constant tussle between them. The good thing is that god=
s are amara, i.e. immortal. They can be weak and defeated, but they never c=
ompletely die. Demons can die, gods can never die. They may be defeated, bu=
t they live on and overcome demons oneday!
If someone tells you "there is=

only one god and he is in all of us", realize that this refers to the sing=
ular god I described earlier. With that god, there is no distinction betwee=
n good and bad. The distinction comes with gods of duality. The moment you =
talk of duality, gods and demons are both there and there is a tussle.
5.=
God is simply doing his job. Nature is based on the rule of equal reaction=
to one's actions and God impassionately implements that rule. If one was r=
eally cruel to somebody else and killed cruelly, nature will have to find a=
way to give an equal reaction. It is sad, but that is how nature works!
=
6. The previous karmas and rinas to various people decide the give and take=
in this life. The relations in this life may be relations in the past life=
too (but the exact relationship may be different). If you harassed a parti=
cular person in the last life, nature may provide an opportunity for that p=
erson to harass you now.
Again, if nature is placing you in a difficult c=

ircumstance where someone is harassing you and making life difficult, it is=
not because nature hates you or god hates you. It is because you did exact=
ly the same thing to someone else previously. Nature is paying back.
The =
goal of this "pay back game" of nature is that after a big cycle of actions=
and equal reactions, one understands how nature works and manages to leave=
the game! When all the players leave the game, the game will end. Until th=
en, the game will go on...
7. As more and more people engage in more and =

more sinful behavior, this creates of a spiral of adharma. That increases t=
he negative quality of time in general and leads to more and more people en=
gaging in adharma. It is a spiral.
Unfortunately, we are in Kali yuga and=

adharma will only increase in the long run. But, by engaging in good actio=
ns of great magnitude, we can create positive energy and slow down this spi=
ral of adharma.
* * *
It is good that you worry about tho=

se who suffer. That compassion is great. But that compassion alone is not s=
ufficient. Instead, if you and others engage in good actions and create a p=
ositive energy of great magnitude in the world, that can be helpful. If ten=
thousand people are performing a homam every morning, trying to transform =
their attitude to that of surrender to god and limited ego, that can really=
transform the world atleast for a few decades and centuries.
Do homam, d=
o meditation, read good books, have good company, discuss spiritual matters=
(instead of wasting time on meaningless entertainment), think of god, try =
to understand the ways of god, lessen pride and ego, try to do your best in=
each action without much attachment, analyze each of your own actions and =
correct the internal attitude. If you keep up like this and several others =
do, the problems you mentioned can see some relief.
Best regards,
Narasim=
ha
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Dear =
sir,
This is <deleted> from <deleted>. I came to know about you from my =

husband <deleted>.
He has told about you a lot and i have read your mails=
..ganapathi homam,
vedic explanations etc.,
I wish you will help me =

to have clear ideas about some of my basic questions.
Always I ask some q=
uestions to myself.Even myself and my husband will discuss
regarding this=
. But we both unable to find out the answer. They are,
1. My first quest=
ion is why God created human beings?
2. When God is creating all the hum=

an beings,we are all God's children.
Then why he is differntiating some p=
eople are good, some are bad? On what basis he
is deciding that "this per=
son will have good habits in his life time and that person will have
all =
bad habits? "
3.Some of the astrologers say to me, whatever problems/suf=

ferings etc., we are facing in
this life time is due to our previous karm=
a.ie.,we have done some sin to others in our
previous birth.Who induced =
us to do sin in our previous birth to others?
4. Some people say, God is=

inside us. When God is inside us, why people are doing sin to
others? I=
f they are doing, why God is not correcting them??
5.Nowadays, they are =

so many accidents happening in the city. Painful deaths are
happening whi=
ch cannot be digested / make us sleepless for nights together. Why God
i=
s giving these type of painful death to people? why he is so cruel?People s=
ay the person
who died might have made sin to others in last birth. For =
that, this kind of cruelty is required?
Why God is not giving peaceful de=
ath??
6. My another question is regarding family issues. Most of the dau=

ghter-in-law suffer becos
of her Mother-in-law/Father-in-law/Sister-in-la=
w and Husbands or vice versa. I have come across
so many families like th=
is.If daughter in law is tortured from her husband's family, is it due
to=
her horoscope or due to society. If it is due to her horoscope, its the sa=
me answer that
its her karma. Why her karma is written like that? why sh=
e should suffer in her life?? Who has
made her to suffer like this(even i=
f she is of good character/good habits)??
7. Nowadays, it is becoming ve=

ry unsafe for ladies in the society. Some girls are getting
exploited an=
d some knowingly going in the wrong way making a mind set that nothing is
=
wrong. Why society has developed like this??When God has created the worl=
d, why he is
allowing it to go worse? What will be the future of the you=
ngsters? whether we can bring
up our children with good habits? I feel i=
ts very difficult..All these things related to astrology?
Kindly bear wi=

th my long mail and guide me.
Thanks/Regards,
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<DIV><FONT f=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I=
t took a while to get to your mail. </FONT><FONT
face=3DArial size=3D2>I a=
m cc'ing the reply to some yahoogroups interested in
spirituality, while e=
nsuring your anonymity.</FONT></DIV>
;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A lot of philosophical ques=
tions can be answered in
multiple ways. There is no single correct answer.=
The answer appropriate for one
person is inappropriate for another. If I =
say "God is the doer of all things.
When Arjuna killed his gurus and elder=
s, actually God did it through him", a
lesser person may imitate it and th=
at will be unfortunate. But that will be a
very appropriate point to make =
to a more elevated person who still has a sense
of ownership over his acti=
ons and need to give it up.</FONT></DIV>
nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thus, one cannot answer=
questions such as yours
without understanding the current spiritual level=
of the asking person.
Otherwise the answer will be utterly useless. I wil=
l go by my gut and answer the
way I think will be useful to you and some o=
thers on the vedic-wisdom
yahoogroup.</FONT></DIV>
;
* =
; *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>=
<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1. God created human beings and other beings so=
that there is some commotion in the Atman (cosmic soul). If there is no

=
different beings with different qualities, the whole universe will be fille=
d
with Atman (cosmic soul). That too happens for a while. But, at other ti=
mes,
various beings with various qualities are created. An ocean may be st=
ill for a
while and give rise to a lot of waves for a while. If cosmic sou=
l is like an
ocean, various beings are like waves in the ocean.</FONT></DI=
V>
rial size=3D2>2. God decides based on the cumulative good/bad of
all your =
previous actions and wishes over all your lives so far. If you have
good t=
endencies, it is because of good actions and wishes in the past. If you
ha=
ve bad tendencies, it is because of bad actions and wishes in the past. All=
you can do is to engage in good actions and have good wishes. That will k=
eep you
in good stead in future.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3. Your own free =
will!!!! That is why now you have
to pay for it. Nature works on the princ=
iple of "equal reaction to every
action". You engaged in an action using y=
our own free will and nature has to
somehow find a way to give the equal r=
eaction to that action. God is there to
implement the rules of nature.</FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT f=
ace=3DArial size=3D2>The circumstances faced by you are decides by
nature =
based on the previous actions exerted by your free will. Within the
limita=
tions imposed by those circumstances, your free will decides one
particula=
r action among several possible actions. That gets added to the list of
yo=
ur actions and nature pays back for it in future by creating different
cir=
cumstances for you to operate under.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>4. There is a =
duality and singularity. In the world
of singularity, there is one god - t=
he cosmic being. Gods and demons, good and
bad, auspiciousness and inauspi=
ciousness, intelligence and foolishness,
happiness and sadness, knowledge =
and ignorance, punya and sin - all are
nothing but this singular god.=
There is nothing but that singular god. That
singular god lives in all of=
us, in each molecule, atom and sub-atomic particle
of this universe. The =
entire core of our being is filled with this singular
god.</FONT></DIV>
<D=
size=3D2>When the same world is seen through the lense of
duality, </FONT>=
<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>this singular god manifests as different
entit=
ies. In the world of duality, there are various gods engaged in various
go=
od roles and various demons engaged in various bad roles. There is always a=
tussle between them.</FONT></DIV>

</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now again, all these gods an=
d demons engaged in
various good and bad roles exist within us in a m=
icrocosmic form. The
Brihaspati (teacher of gods) within us (i.e. our=
intelligence and discretion)
tells the gods within us (various good quali=
ties) what to do and works for their
victory. Various gods and demons disc=
harge their roles. But the result
varies.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If a per=
son's spiritual evolution is like that of
the world when Ravana was ruling=
earth, then the demons inside the person will
be dominating over the gods=
and gods go into hiding within that person. He will
engage in sins. If a =
person's spiritual evolution is like that of the world when
Rama killed Ra=
vana and ruled earth in peace and prosperity, then the gods inside
that pe=
rson will be dominating over the demons. Ge will engage in good deeds.
And=
so on.</FONT></DIV>
<=
DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So, realize that there are gods and demons =
inside
us and there is a constant tussle between them. The good thing is t=
hat gods are
amara, i.e. immortal. They can be weak and defeated, but they=
never completely
die. Demons can die, gods can never die. They may be def=
eated, but they live on
and overcome demons oneday!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FON=
2>If someone tells you "there is only one god and he
is in all of us", rea=
lize that this refers to the singular god I described
earlier. With that g=
od, there is no distinction between good and bad. The
distinction comes wi=
th gods of duality. The moment you talk of duality, gods and
demons are bo=
th there and there is a tussle.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>5. God is simply =
doing his job. Nature is based on
the rule of equal reaction to one's acti=
ons and God impassionately implements
that rule. If one was really cruel t=
o somebody else and killed cruelly, nature
will have to find a way to give=
an equal reaction. It is sad, but that is how
nature works!</FONT></DIV>
=
l size=3D2>6. The previous karmas and rinas to various people
decide the g=
ive and take in this life. The relations in this life may be
relations in =
the past life too (but the exact relationship may be different). If
you ha=
rassed a particular person in the last life, nature may provide an
opportu=
nity for that person to harass you now.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Again, if n=
ature is placing you in a difficult
circumstance where someone is harassin=
g you and making life difficult, it is not
because nature hates you or god=
hates you. It is because you did exactly the
same thing to someone else p=
reviously. Nature is paying back.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The goal of this =
"pay back game" of nature is that
after a big cycle of actions and equal r=
eactions, one understands how nature
works and manages to leave the game! =
When all the players leave the game, the
game will end. Until then, the ga=
me will go on...</FONT></DIV>
></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>7. As more and more people en=
gage in more and
more sinful behavior, this creates of a spiral of adharma=
. That increases the
negative quality of time in general and leads to more=
and more people engaging
in adharma. It is a spiral.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><F=
=3D2>Unfortunately, we are in Kali yuga and adharma will
only increase in =
the long run. But, by engaging in good actions of great
magnitude, we can =
create positive energy and slow down this spiral of
adharma.</FONT></DIV>
=
l size=3D2>*
* =
*</FONT></DIV>
bsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It is good that you worr=
y about those who suffer.
That compassion is great. But that compassion al=
one is not sufficient. Instead,
if you and others engage in good actions a=
nd create a positive energy of great
magnitude in the world, that can be h=
elpful. If ten thousand people are
performing a homam every morning, tryin=
g to transform their attitude to that of
surrender to god and limited ego,=
that can really transform the world atleast
for a few decades and centuri=
es.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>=
<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Do homam, do meditation, read good books, have =
good
company, discuss spiritual matters (instead of wasting time on meanin=
gless
entertainment), think of god, try to understand the ways of god, les=
sen pride
and ego, try to do your best in each action without much attachm=
ent, analyze
each of your own actions and correct the internal attitude. I=
f you keep up like
this and several others do, the problems you mentioned =
can see some
relief.</FONT></DIV>
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>--------------------------=
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trologer.org/tarpana">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana</A><BR>Spiritu=
ality:
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ps.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom</A><BR>Free
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<DIV>Dear sir,</DIV>
<DIV>This is <deleted> from <deleted&g=
t;. I came to know about you
from my husband <deleted>.<BR>He has =
told about you a lot and i have
read your mails ..ganapathi homam, <BR>v=
edic explanations etc.,</DIV>
sp;</DIV>
<DIV>I wish you will help me to have clear ideas about some of =
my basic
questions.<BR>Always I ask some questions to myself.Even myself=
and my husband
will discuss<BR>regarding this. But we both unable to fi=
nd out the answer.
They are,</DIV>
FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT
face=3DArial size=3D2></FO=
NT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2></FONT=
><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2></FONT><=
size=3D2></FONT><BR=
>1. My first question is why God created human beings?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT f=
<DIV>2. When God is creating all=
the human beings,we are all God's
children.<BR>Then why he is differnti=
ating some people are good, some are bad?
On what basis he<BR>is decidin=
g that "this person will have good habits in his
life time and that pers=
on will have<BR>all bad habits? "</DIV>
</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>3.Some of the astrologers say to me, whatever pr=
oblems/sufferings etc.,
we are facing in<BR>this life time is due to our=
previous karma.ie.,we have
done some sin to others in our <BR>previous =
birth.Who induced us to do sin in
our previous birth to others?</DIV>
=
<DIV>4. Some people =
say, God is inside us. When God is inside us, why people
are doing sin t=
o <BR>others? If they are doing, why God is not correcting
them??</DIV>
=
<DIV>5.Nowadays, t=
hey are so many accidents happening in the city. Painful
deaths are<BR>h=
appening which cannot be digested / make us sleepless for
nights togethe=
r. Why God <BR>is giving these type of painful death to people?
why he i=
s so cruel?People say the person <BR>who died might have made sin to
oth=
ers in last birth. For that, this kind of cruelty is required?<BR>Why God
=
is not giving peaceful death??</DIV>
/FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>6. My another question is regarding family issues=
. Most of the
daughter-in-law suffer becos<BR>of her
Mother-in-law/Fa=
ther-in-law/Sister-in-law and Husbands or vice versa. I have
come across=
<BR>so many families like this.If daughter in law is tortured from
her h=
usband's family, is it due<BR>to her horoscope or due to society. If it
=
is due to her horoscope, its the same answer that <BR>its her karma. Why he=
r
karma is written like that? why she should suffer in her life?? Who
=
has<BR>made her to suffer like this(even if she is of good character/good =
habits)??</DIV>
=
<DIV>7. Nowadays, it is becoming very unsafe for ladies in the society. So=
me
girls are getting <BR>exploited and some knowingly going in the wrong=
way
making a mind set that nothing is <BR>wrong. Why society has develo=
ped like
this??When God has created the world, why he is <BR>allowing it=
to go worse?
What will be the future of the youngsters? whether we can =
bring <BR>up our
children with good habits? I feel its very difficult..A=
ll these things related
to astrology?</DIV>
ze=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT
face=3DArial size=
=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR>Kindly bear with
my l=
ong mail and guide me.</DIV>
p;</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks/Regards,<BR><deleted></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>=
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Namaste Sir,
Do I know you from before?
If you do not mind, can I have your birthdata (date, time and place of
birth)? You can send it privately to pvr@....
If your goal is reaching Vaikuntha loka and serving the Lord, just chant His
name all the time when you are awake. Whether you are walking or talking or
driving or typing or reading or writing or answering nature's calls, you can
still silently chant His name in the mind.
If you do this enough, your mind will start chanting his name when it is
asleep too!
Your goal should be to repeat a (any) name of the Lord all the time, so that
taking that name becomes the second nature to your mind!
Other things are not as useful as getting addicted to a name of the Lord.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 2:38 AM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Harish Johari's books
> Om Brihaspataye Namah

>
> Namaste dear Narasimhaji and other enlightened members,
>
> I have come across some interesting information about Harish Johari,
> being an enlightened soul.
>
> I have been reading his "Leela" book based on the Gyan Chaupad and it
> is very interesting and it resonates with my personal beliefs (that
> the ultimate goal of life is to reach Vaikuntha Loka and serve the
> Lord)
>
> However, I have read some reviews about his book, "Tools for Tantra"
> with some people saying it is a dangerous book to read.
> I am now feeling anxious because I wanted to read it, but now I am
> scared that maybe it is too esoteric to read.
>
> I have read other occult books before, but mostly by western authors
> on subjects such as summoning spirits etc- and nothing freaky or
> weird happened to me when reading those books.
>
> Any advice?
>
> Jaya Sita Raam
> Bivash

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Namaste
though what you said about rina in this right

but the point is h=
ow to find that rina
and if we leave thta thing to nature

then ,aqs far as=
i remember,in AUTOBIGRAPHY OF A YOGI
Paramhansa Yogananga ji says that his=
GURU Swami Yukteshwar
even fought cases with the people who were eyeing the=
land on which
they built their ashram
So it makes a little bit of contra=

tdiction
Please clarify it a bit further
regards
jitender
--- In vedic-w=
isdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
<pvr@...> wrote:
>
> Namaste=
,
>
> Every tradition has a valid basis, but also corrupted in time..
> =
> So many people touch the feet with hands or forehead when bowing
to eld=
ers. It is incorrect to say that "all of elder's punyas" are
transferred t=
hen. So many people touch the head of youngsters with
hand to bless. It is=
incorrect to say that "all of youngster's sins"
are transferred then.
> =
> However, this belief is not without a basis. When a person touches
the =
feet of a person with awakened energy, *some* transfer of energy
occurs au=
tomatically, whether or not one is aware (that is why we
have the traditio=
n of touching the feet of saints). However, how
much energy gets transferr=
ed is dependent on the capabilities of the
two persons, the strength of th=
e desire in the two persons for (or
against) the transfer and the previous=
rina between the person.
>
> It is not necessary to touch the feet of a =
person with the
forehead. It is possible to touch with hands and receive e=
nergy.
Once one young man came to my Jyotish class in Boston and touched m=
y
feet at the end to take blessings. Normally, when people to do that,
I =
mentally say "sarvam Sri Krishnarpanamastu" and imagine that the
obeisance=
is going to Lord Krishna. But, this time, I could clearly
feel some energ=
y leaving me. It was a very tangible feeling. This
person touched specific=
spots in the two feet with a specific mudra
of the two hands.
>
> Of co=
urse, one can dismiss my feeling as a hallucination. But,
when the same yo=
ung man came to a Satya Narayana vratam at my house
later in the week and =
touched the feet of a very good priest who
came from India (the same one w=
ho I said performed the first Chandi
homam at my house, arranged for the s=
hata Chandi homam in Chennai
and had books on homam gifted to us), he imme=
diately exclaimed "sir,
we have to be careful with this boy! He seems to d=
o some sadhana. He
definitely knows how to take away some energy from peop=
le." I had
not told him what I had experienced a few days back and this wa=
s his
independent conclusion after the same experience as mine!
>
> I am=
convinced that some enegy give and take happens when feet and
head are to=
uched for blessings. However, it requires a certain level
of ability and p=
urity to receive energy from someone by touching
feet. So many people touc=
hed my feet. Only a handful gave me the
feeling that some energy left me.
=
>
> There is another way to look at this. If a person gets something
fro=
m me, it is probably because there is some rina. Why should I try
to resis=
t a payback of rina? Who are we anyway to give or to take?
All the energy =
deposited in all the beings of this universe is Hers
anyway. Why should on=
e look at the energy deposited in oneself as
one's own?
>
> * * =
*
>
> My simple bottomline advice is this:
>
> If someone pays ob=
eisance to you, let them do it. Do not feel
proud or superior when someone=
touches your feet. Think that Krishna
(or Shiva) in him is paying obeisan=
ce to Krishna (or Shiva) in you
and offer it to Krishna (or Shiva). When y=
ou touch the feet of
someone, feel humble and think that the person you ar=
e bowing to is
a limited manifestation of Krishna (or Shiva). Leave the re=
st of the
karma/energy calculations out and do not worry.
>
> At the sam=
e time, if someone does not let you touch his/her feet,
just bow to them a=
nd pay obeisance in the mind without a physical
touch. You can still feel =
humble and think that the person you are
bowing to is a limited manifestat=
ion of Krishna (or Shiva).
>
> A lot of this is in the mind and controlli=
ng the mind is the key.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> -----------------=
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> Do a Short Homam Yourse=
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http=
://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
> Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/=
group/vedic-wisdom
> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.com=
cast.net
=
> -------=
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>
> ----- O=
> From: vinayak tandle
> To: vedic-wisdom@yahoo=
groups.com ; sohamsa@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 10=
:51 AM
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] CHARAN SPARSH OBEISANCE
>
>
> =
>
> I had arranged for the firs=
t time Chandi Homam at my house
on Friday. The Brahmin priest did a excell=
ent pooja. During Durga
swaroopini Kanya(small girl 7 years old) poojan I =
asked her to take
her feet out so that I could touch the her feet with my =
forehead to
offer my obeisance & I normally do touch the feet with my fore=
head
during the Namaskar. The Brahmin Pujari prevented me from touching
=
the feet of girl as well as his feet with my forehead saying that if
a per=
son touches the feet of a guru/elder with forehead all the
punya of the Gu=
ru/Elder will transfer to me & incase the Guru keeps
his hand on my head a=
ll his sins will be transfered to me. Please
shed light on this
>
> =
Regards
>
> Vinayak P Tandle
>
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Namaste,
For those who do not realize it, the word "Swamiji" in the first=
episode with a rupee note under the pillow refers to Swami Vivekananda (Na=
rendranath Datta then).
The person in the second episode below is Swami Y=

ogananda (Jogindra Nath Roy Chaudhury). However, this incident did not happ=
en the first time Jogin met Ramakrishna. The first time Jogin met Ramakrish=
na, he left quickly but decided to meet again. After meeting Ramakrishna se=
veral times, Jogin decided to spend a night with him and serve if needed. S=
o he stayed over one night. That is when the incident happened.
Jogin was=
a light sleeper and woke up in the middle of the night. He found Ramakrish=
na missing in his bed. He went and checked at the water pot and looked outs=
ide to see if Ramakrishna was walking outside. When he did not find, then h=
e suspected "may be he teaches us about brahmacharya (celibacy), but goes t=
o his wife secretly in the night". He positioned himself outside the nahaba=
t (where Sarada Mata lived) and watched the door carefully. Later he heard =
the chattering of slippers from Panchavati on the other side and found Rama=
krishna approaching him. Ramakrishna first asked "what are you doing here".=
When Jogin was silent and had an expression of shame on his face, Ramakris=
hna calmly said "well, you are right to test me. You should test a saint by=
the day and night before believing in him." Of course, Jogin was ashamed a=
nd did not sleep the whole night.
* * *
I too suspected m=
y guru a few times like Jogin and questioned him. He too never took offense=
. I will describe one such incident.
Once he told me that he "saw" me ear=

lier in the day when he was driving on a highway in UK. He apparently "saw"=
me doing homam at my house in US. He said he lifted his hand while driving=
, as if blessing me. His wife sitting next to him asked what he was doing i=
n the middle of driving at a high speed on a highway. When he told her "Nar=
asimha is doing a homam right now and I am blessing him", she thought he wa=
s being crazy.
When he described this incident, I immediately knew of a w=

ay to find out if he was being truthful. When I do homam, I normally wear a=
veshti of white or red or yellow color. On that day, I was wearing somethi=
ng I very rarely wear and it would be nearly impossible to get it right wit=
h a random guess. I asked him "can I test you and verify if you really saw =
me". He said "ok, let us see". Then I asked him "what was I wearing when do=
ing homam this morning". He said, "It seemed like you were wearing some str=
ange kind of blue color veshi and a shirt of a different shade of blue colo=
r."
He was absolutely correct. I used my blue veshti only twice so far an=
d that day was one of the two days. What I was wearing on that day for homa=
m was something I rarely wear and difficult to just guess. So it is very ve=
ry likely that he indeed saw me doing homam on that day.
* * =
*
Of course, siddhis like divya drishti (seeing things far away mentall=
y) are irrelevant. I am not interested in them at all. My guru teaches "wha=
tever abilities we need for our work will be given by the Mother. We should=
not desire anything and at the same time not reject anything given by Her.=
Our only desire should be to remain at Her feet always and to remember to =
desire that always. Rest of the things will come and go as She wants us to =
do various things. Leave it to Her and go with the flow without resisting a=
nd feeling emotions like pride or shame, happiness or sadness etc."
I bel=
ieve that my impulse to test my guru at that instant came only because my g=
uru (and the Mother) wanted me to do so, because there is some reason for t=
hat. Though it seems like I suspected my guru, I have a lot of faith in him=
and in the Mother and think that I am used as an instrument by them to do =
the work they want done, including testing guru with temporary suspicion. I=
am an unsuspecting playmate in their Play. I will not be surprised if Jogi=
n also felt the same way later, after testing Ramakrishna. But his action t=
aught something to others (even today!). That is perhaps why Ramakrishna an=
d Kali used Jogin as an instrument in their Play.
* * *
I=
n the example of money under Ramakrishna's pillow, how did he know it? Did =
he have all kinds of super-natural abilities? May be. But there is another =
way to look at it. He was a pure soul and the Mother devised a divine play =
to demonstrate his purity. It was the Mother's divine play that Naren shoul=
d get an impulse to test Ramakrishna, Ramakrishna should get an impulse to =
run away from the bed and pass the test and it should inspire some people i=
n future.
It is foolish to go after anything other than getting a perfect=

sense of surrender and devotion to the chosen deity. If that comes, everyt=
hing needed for what one is supposed to do in the world is provided by the =
chosen deity. No pride and no shame, no happiness and no sadness, no excite=
ment and no depression, no attraction and no repulsion - one becomes a chil=
d and a playmate in the Divine play of the chosen deity. ALL that is needed=
is a perfect sense of surrender. Ramakrishna had it. Nature composed sever=
al beautiful plays involving him and attracted the other actors of that pla=
y towards him.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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r.org/tarpana
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tware (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
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From: raja=
rshi nandy
Sent: Tuesday, September =
30, 2008 1:22 AM
Dear Narasimhaji
Another wonderful mail. Everyday when I =

open my mailbox in the morning, I keep searching for your mails. Each one i=
s an inspiration.
One more point I would like to add, I had read s=

ome books on Thakur in Bengali and in one there was the description of an i=
ndicident. Once Swamiji wanted to test Thakur. Since Thakur used to say tha=
t he could not handle money (as it represented something grossly material),=
Swamji deliberately put a note under Thakur's pillow when Thakur was not i=
n the room. Later when Thakur come to sleep in teh bed, he instantly got up=
as if in pain and said something is very wrong in here, Hriday, who was us=
ed to be there, searched the bed and found that money under his pillow. But=
Thakur never got offended with these things.
Infact in one instan=

ce, when one of his disciples had come to him for the first time, Thakur as=
ked him to stay over at Dakshineshwar. At night the disciple woke up and sa=
w that Thakur was leaving the room. A doubt entered the disciples mind, he =
thought maybe Thakur is goinfg towards the Nahabat house where Sri Sarada M=
a used to stay. So he quitely decided to follow Thakur and see where he is =
going, after all it maybe that Thakur used to visit the Nahabat secretly et=
c etc.. he was genuinely suspicious. Then as he left the room following Tha=
kur at a distance, he saw Thakur going to the Panchvati and sitting down fo=
r meditation and there he sat for two hours.Later when Thakur came back, he=
told that person, who later became his disciple, that he had done very goo=
d to test Thakur. Further Thakur said, no one should accept a Guru without =
testing. And to see and judge a person's sprittuality he has to be observed=
when he is public and when he is alone. There should be no diference in hi=
s words and actions. Etc etc.
Every incident in Thakur's life is l=

ike an illustration of a deeper point for ordianry people like us.
=
-Regards
Rajarshi
"This above all: to thine own self be=

true!" - Hamlet
--- On Tue, 30/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@c=

harter.net> wrote:

=
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Yogananda (Re: Dharma)
To: =
=
Date: Tuesday, 30 September, 2008, 10:18 AM
Dear Lakshmi,
=
This is Kali yuga. While a really spiritual person must continuo=

usly try to destroy ego, so many spiritual gurus are there around us with b=
loated egos which are easily offended at a hint of criticism or overly exci=
ted at sycophancy. Such gurus are not of much use.
But how do se=

parate the grains from the chaff? It is not easy, especially when there are=
just a few grains in the middle of a big pile of chaff. Astrology is usefu=
l but not that much. Astrologer's mind, which makes the final judgments, wo=
rks based on his/her prejudices and secret beliefs.
* * =
*
In the past, many great souls used intellectual discrimi=

nation and intuition to judge one's guru for a long time before whole-heart=
edly embracing one's guru. In many traditions within Hinduism, this is enco=
uraged. You do not accept a guru in an impulse. You "test" your guru and ta=
ke your time to accept him. But, once you accept a person as your guru, you=
follow him faithfully.
* * *
If you ta=
ke Narendra (Swami Vivekananda) , the celebrated disciple of Ramakrishna Pa=
ramahamsa, he was a highly rational and skeptical young man. Though Ramakri=
shna had induced a samadhi in Narendra by mere touch in their second meetin=
g itself, it was not enough to convince Narendra of Ramakrishna' s ability =
and purity. He thought the whole experience could just have been a hallucin=
ation/ hypnotism and did not jump to any conclusion. As he visited Ramakris=
hna continuously, received love and knowledge from him and saw that Ramakri=
shna indeed walked the walk (as opposed to just talking the talk), he was s=
lowly convinced of the purity of Ramakrishna. He then became a tireless sol=
dier who dedicated his life to carrying out the mission of his guru!
=
During the early stages, he even told Ramakrishna bluntly about the la=
tter's visions of Kali, Krishna, Rama etc, "Sir, they could all just be you=
r imaginations or hallucinations" . Narendra did not even believe in god wi=
th a form and believed only in the formless. Ramakrishna was never offended=
at these comments.
Other sishyas like Joginder (Swami Yogananda=

) also approached Ramakrishna skeptically and tested him for a duration. Th=
ese young men who surrounded Ramakrishna weren't blind men led by a blind m=
an. They were all rishis or associates of rishis, who were reborn together =
for a purpose.
They observed Ramakrishna for a while, confirmed =
that he practiced what he preached and realized that there was a valuable l=
esson in each action and word of his. They took a while to realize his puri=
ty and divinity, but once they realized they became faithful sishyas. He ac=
cepted them, loved them and taught them even before they realized his true =
nature and accepted him fully as their guru. He knew they were skeptical an=
d testing him, but he was never offended (what good is a guru who cannot re=
cognize a worthy student and what good is a guru whose ego is insulted at s=
omeone's skepticism). Once they accepted him and became faithful sishyas, e=
ach one of them was also transformed into a really pure person who takes th=
e entire life as a sadhana and maintains purity in every thought and action=
. Each sishya of a Ramakrishna was a role model in spiritual purity.
=
* * *
One whose rinas draw one to=

wards a fake guru gets such a guru because that is what his karmas entitle =
him to. The circumstances we have to face are based on the previous actions=
. But the current action (freewill) is in our hands. If one can truly belie=
ve from the deepest cores of heart that one's guru is pure and like Shiva h=
imself, follows guru blindly and entertains no doubt whatsoever, that WILL =
pay off oneday. Nature WILL bring light into that person's spiritual life. =
It is just a matter of time.
Thus, I will not be judgmental abou=

t other gurus and their sishyas. If a sishya believes in his/her guru fully=
, so be it. It is not our business.
But, if one were to find a g=

uru like Ramakrishna Paramahamsa or Ramana Maharshi or Sri Aurobindo or Sri=
la Prabhupada, it is one's immense luck. However, the point I want to make =
is that having a great guru is not a guarantee of success and also having a=
fake guru is not a guarantee of failure!
At the end of the day,=

the measure of success in any sadhana is the purity generated by that sadh=
ana. The measure of the purity is the effacement of ego. If ego is reduced =
completely or eliminated, one is making progress. This can happen inspite o=
f who is the guru, what one is doing etc.
When the full grace of=

the Supreme Being falls on a person, any medium is sufficient to reflect t=
hat grace.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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From: Lakshmi Kary
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Sent: Monday, Sep=
tember 29, 2008 2:06 AM
Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Yogananda (=
Re: Dharma)
Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Narasimha.
=
Sorry I got my people and lineages all confused! Was reading about=
too many people lately.
Also last night I saw a documentary=

on religious leaders, cults etc.
People want to see God so bad=
ly they are very eager to push anyone who is willing to claim to be special=
up on a pedestal.That happened with my ex , he got up there,felt it wasn't=
right and tried to climb down, but his"disciples" didn't want him to.
=
They continued to perpetuate falsehoods about his purity, and all s=
orts of cover ups.
God and Jesus are living in some many places=
. Sometimes there are several people simultaneously claiming to be Jesus in=
any psych unit across the world/
Its amazing where and to with=
in whom people see "God".
Isnt a spiritual master, guru, living=
like a mortal in all capacities while telling others how to find realizati=
on sort of hypocritical and bizarre?
There is one fellow who u=

sed to be a heroin addict and now he says he is Jesus and has a huge follow=
ing. they are willing to do whatever he says and they give him money and al=
l sorts of things.
Yesterday I went on the Internet, and looked=
at some many so called yogis, preachers etc
IN the USA I cant =
begin to tell you the number of religious leaders that were revered as "God=
" or some other incarnation.
India is no different, perhaps wor=
se because people have a natural respect for sadhus , yogis etc and more yo=
gis can get away with pretending to be a renunciate.
I believe =
God appears in different forms in different places and times to attract peo=
ple who are looking for him and to associate with his devotees..
=
=
What are principles of religion? What is dharma, What is the purpos=
e?
Now if there were no laws or rules, social or religious and =
everyone did what they felt like, we would be living in a hell. At least in=
Kali Yuga.
What was the point of Jesus? Seems he got a lot of =
uncivilized people to work on basic codes of conduct... thou shalt not stea=
l,lie, commit adultery etc.
Whose to say one person is a saint?=
.. some people(his faithful followers) couldn't understand that Charles Man=
son was a mad man not a prophet.
There are other "yogis" who ca=
me to USA, smoking pot, taking drugs,
and other ones advised ha=
ving sex to find self realization and acquiring tons of cars and
=
Some people ADVOCate mandato=
ry forced marriage of young girls AT puberty, usually to older men.. and i=
ts ok for their fathers to teach them a thing or two, before being handed o=
ff.
One "saint" makes gold, but other people say he molested th=
eir young teenage sons..
In itself, being able to perform siddh=
is or mystic things doesn't make one elevated really. Maybe they have just=
accumulated the power to manipulate physical matter.
Unless a =
person is pure- it is hard to see who else is pure.
And even th=
en, well intentioned people are deceived all the time.
People =
have given up everything they owned and moved into under ground tunnels bec=
ause their leader( an incarnation of this or that) said the world was endin=
g.
Or, time and time again, some swami turns out to molest kids=
, and or do all sorts of things when no one is looking..
"The D=
o as I say , don't do as I do"...
"He is so pure he doesn't ha=
ve to obey the rules like everyone else."
Whose to say who is p=
ure?
I think someone who is 100% serving their GOD day and nigh=
t, at all times and practicing what they preach has got to be pure....
=
Self realization after much thought and years meditating/chanting i=
s simple i found... its the realization ,the complete understanding of our =
relationship to God and to everything and everyone else in our conscious an=
d unconscious universe.
But then by the time I die , I'm sure I=
'll have even more realizations.
There was a big article in TIM=
E magazine with some personal letter of Mother Theresa that she didnt want =
shown publically that showed her apparently having doubts(privately in her =
heart) I guess as a way to try and discredit her.
Was she a sai=
nt, coming to India and pushing her views on the poor?People go in circles =
debating her worth .
And I guess these are the things I'm here =
for in this life, which is different than other peoples path.
I=
keep hoping astrology can "reveal" the real saint the real sadhus..etc
=
Best wis=
hes
Lakshmi
"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@charter.=

net> wrote:
Dear Lakshmi,
The Yogananda I men=

tioned is different. Swami Yogananda is one of the sixteen monastic discipl=
es of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, along with Swami Vivekananda. He was forced =
to marry, but never slept with his own wife. Swami Vivekananda once said "i=
f any of us (disciples of Ramakrishna) conquered lust completely and in all=
respects, it is Joginder (Swami Yogananda)". There is no question of Swami=
Yogananda being accused of drinking and having women etc.
P=
aramahamsa Yogananda is a sishya of Yukteshwar Maharaj and from the lineage=
of Mahavatar Babaji. They practice kriya yoga. I do not know much about hi=
m.
* * *
The link you gave is=

about neither Swami Yogananda nor Paramahamsa Yogananda, but some propagan=
da about Ramakrishna Paramahamsa himself, based on some bali he apparently =
gave. So I am unsure exactly who you wanted to talk about..
=
Best regards,
Narasimha
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ri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana
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From: Lakshmi Kary
=
Subje=
ct: Re: Dharma
Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Nar=
asimha,
Ive read several apparently derogatory things about=
Paramahamsa Yogananda- that he ate meat, drank and had women at different =
times. Some accounts seem very authoratative so I am inclined to believe wh=
ere there is smoke there is fire.
How can we reconcil he is=
spiritually special when he was involved in some many other worldly things=
.?
http://ramakrishnay b.blogspot. com/2008/ 02/95-where- i=
s-safety- for-fish- and-goats. html
Best wishes
=
Lakshmi
"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@charter. net> wro=

te:
=C3=AF=C2=BB=C2=BF
Namaste,
=
For the reference =

on Yogananda, you can read the section on Swami Yogananda in "God Lived wit=
h Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna" by S=
wami Chetanananda.
* * *
=
There have been many great yogis, babas, saints and swamis in the last fe=
w thousand years of Kali yuga. But Ramakrishna Paramahamsa stands out in on=
e way. He is one master who mastered every single path. He mastered bhakti =
yoga, jnaana yoga, karma yoga and even raaja yoga. He worshipped and experi=
enced Rama, Krishna, Kaali and several forms. He even reached the state of =
nirvikalpa samadhi, where there is no "experience" . He was in sahaja samad=
hi always. He was able induce tremendous experience in people by mere touch=
or mere look. Yet he was simple like a child and had zero ego (that is why=
he could do all that!!!).
Many "gurus" force their dhar=

ma on their sishyas and have no ability to recognize the true nature and dh=
arma of each sishya. They force sishyas to chant the mantra they chant, wor=
ship the form they worship and walk the path they walk. Ramakrishna had dee=
p insight into the true nature of each sishya and gave specific instruction=
s. He taught totally different mantras, totally different forms and totally=
different paths to different sishyas. He even taught contradictory things =
to different sishyas. When one sishya who needed to mend his aggressive att=
itude roughed up somebody for insulting his guru, he scolded "shame on you.=
With your attitude, you did not defend your guru, but brought shame to him=
. You should learn to be calm and ignore such insults. THAT will place your=
guru in a good stead and not your aggression". When another sishya who nee=
ded to mend his soft demeanor ignored insults of Ramakrishna by some people=
and came away silently, he scolded him "shame on you. Shastras say that yo=
u should kill one who insults your guru. How can you ignore such wrong beha=
vior? You should give them a piece of your mind."
Spirit=
ual sadhana does not mean just chanting a mantra or repeating a procedure e=
veryday for a certain period of time. Spiritual sadhana is a continuous pro=
cess by which one transforms oneself from inside out and purifies oneself. =
That way, every action and every thought becomes a sadhana and offers an op=
portunity for introspection and transformation of internal attitude.
=
Anyway, coming back to the point, Ramakrishna is not a normal =
sadhaka or a normal guru. He belonged to a very special class of sadhakas a=
nd he was an exceptional guru to an exceptional group of sishyas.
=
Without his [indirect] blessings, I would be a nobody and would b=
e lower than dirt. I would not be able to say anything intelligent or meani=
ngful in spiritual matters. Those who are impressed/inspired by something I=
write should be thankful to my guru Dr Manish Pandit and to Sri Ramakrishn=
a for showering their grace using me as an instrument and not to me.
=
BTW, you are all free to forward my posts that you like to peo=
ple who may be interested in spiritual discussions. I have no problem. As I=
said before, I am a servant distributing the wealth of a king (Mother) as =
asked by the minister (my guru).
Best regards,
=
Narasimha
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To: vedic-wi=
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 200=
8 2:44 PM
=
Dear Narasimhaji
Another wo=
nderly inspired post by you!!!!
I did not unders=

tand one line of your post. You said during the time of Mahabhrata there wa=
s tremendous weight on this planet. I could not completely understand what =
you ment by this. Is it a literal meaning of figuratative meaning?
=
Also, could you tell me the name of reference of the boo=
k where Sri Ramakrishna says Yogananda was Arjuna.
=
Thank you once again for your mails which are an inspiration to us all.=
-Regards
Rajarshi
=
"This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Ha=
mlet
--- On Sun, 28/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao =

<pvr@charter. net> wrote:
From: Narasimha P.V.=

R. Rao <pvr@charter. net>
Subject: [vedic-wisdo=
m] Re: Dharma
To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. co=
m
=
=
Namaste,
As Vimalananda says, dha=

rma is indeed personal. Krishna clearly says in
=
Bhagavad Geeta "Follow your own dharma. It is dangerous to follow someone=
else's dharma".
=
=
action/duty. Right action varies from person to person=
, from time to time
and from place to place. I=
t is dependent on what nature expects from you,
=
which in turn is based on who you have been in the past, what actions you=
did in the past while identifying with the ac=

tion, who you affected in the
past (and how) w=
ith the actions that you identified with, what debts you
=
created in the process, and what mental tendencies you accumulat=
ed until
now.
If,=
based on one's mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a person
=
to kill evil persons, that becomes one's dharma=
. If, based on one's mental
tendencies and kar=
mic debts, nature wants a person to spread the message of
=
uniformity of all religions, that becomes one's dharma. If, bas=
ed on one's
mental tendencies and karmic debts=
, nature wants a person to spread the
ritual o=
f homam in the world, that becomes one's dharma. If, based on one's
=
mental tendencies and karmic debts, nature wants a pe=
rson to make a lot of
* * *
=
The dharma of a being may change from one life to ano=
ther.
At the time of Mahabharata war, it was A=

rjuna's dharma to kill his gurus,
elders and r=
elatives. The time then was such that there was too much weight
=
on earth and nature wanted earth to be relieved of some w=
eight. Tremendous
destruction was to take plac=
e and civilization destroyed to a great extent,
=
to welcome Kali yuga and set the tone for it. Arjuna being a great warrio=
r,
it was his dharma to facilitate that. Some =
respected were on t=
he other side and it was his dharma to kill them.
=
=
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s sishyas (Swami Yogananda=
had been Arjuna in a
previous life, according=
to Ramakrishna) , his dharma was different in this
=
new time and place. He was born to renounce material life despite his=
aristocratic upbringing and live the simple l=

ife of a monk and inspire
generations to embra=
ce a simple life of mental detachment and service to
=
others. When he is born again (which he has to, as per what Ramakris=
hna
said), his dharma based on the time and pl=
ace may be something else.
* * *
=
The tricky question is: How does one decide what is one's d=
harma?
Some people have interpreted Krishna's =

words saying "follow your own dharma
and not s=
omeone else's dharma" in the light of castism. Though the concept
=
of caste (varna) has been there in Hinduism for a long =
caste mobility was very m=
uch there. Valmiki was a shudra who lived by
k=
illing birds. He became a brahmana and a maharshi later. Vishwamitra was a =
kshatrita and a powerful king. He became a bra=

hmana and and a maharshi
later. Basically varn=
a shows one's aptitude. One starts off with the varna
=
of father, because that is what one is exposed to in childhood. As =
one
develops in life, one gets one's own varna=
based on what one does.
Thus, the misinterpre=

tation of Krishna's words which tells you to know your
=
dharma from your caste is wrong. Moreover, there are not just 4 dh=
armas in
the world. Each person has individual=
dharma.
Knowing what one's dharma is is very =

very very difficult. If one is pure
enough, on=
e will *know* one's dharma. In fact, all of us have a part of our
=
mind that tells us what our dharma is, but it is surrou=
nded by a lot of
noise from other parts of our=
minds which tell other things. Thus, we get
c=
onfused.
We should make the best judgment comb=

ining discrimination and intuition and
decide =
what is our dharma and follow it sincerely. We may be err, but doing
=
=
More than following dharma, what is of utmost importance is=
to engage in
actions without identification. =
*That* alone ensures that we are not
accumulat=
ing new karmas, i.e. not increasing the load. We should not build
=
too much attachment to what we are doing. We should eng=
age in the best
possible actions (based on our=
best judgment on what our dharma in the given
=
situation is), with as little attachment and self-identification with the =
action as possible. When the action is finishe=

d, we should leave the result
to god. We shoul=
d not think "I did it", "what will happen now", "will it
=
work" etc. Such adherence of nishkama karma yoga (unfication thr=
ough
untached action) will simplify our ego an=
d purify our consciousness slowly.
As we becom=
e purer, our mind will work sharper and tell our dharma clearer.
=
There is a positive feedback here. This will slowly enab=
le us to see our
dharma clearly and follow it =
without incurring new karmas. This is not easy,
=
The bo=
ttomline is: Even if one is not following one's dharma, one's sense of
=
"this is my dharma" gets refined with time if one =
engages in action with
little attachment.
=
* * *
In deciding one=
's dharma, one's intellect and intuition are the inputs.
=
Another external input is the words of scriptures and learned me=
n. One can
derive one's dharma from them. A sp=
ecial place is given to one's spiritual
master=
. If one surrenders to a spiritual master, one can take the words of
=
the master to determine one's dharma and follow it s=
incerely.
When Arjuna was confused about what =

his dharma was and thought killing gurus
and r=
elatives was not dharma, he had a guru in Krishna who clarified his
=
dharma. When Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was con=
fused about his dharma
and wanted to renounce =
the world and go to a secluded place to do sadhana,
=
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa cried and prevailed upon him to stay in the m=
aterial
world and do the work of Mother for hi=
m.
One who is not in tune with nature and does=

not know who one is, what one's
debts are and=
what nature expects from one can err in the judgment of what
=
one's dharma is. If one's guru is an elevated soul with a c=
lear insight into
one's inner core, such a gur=
u can give perfect guidance.
* * *
=
Bottomline is that I (or anybody) cannot outline a set of=
principles and
t=
ime to time and from place to place. Also, there are no thumbrules to find =
out what one's dharma is. But, one can refine =

one's understanding of one's
dharma by increas=
ing internal purity. By doing various kinds of spiritual
=
sadhana (like homam, japam etc) and engaging in actions without =
much
attachment, one can slowly purify oneself=
and refine one's understanding of
one's indiv=
idual dharma.
Best regards,
=
Narasimha
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Namaste to all
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> and in it i=
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> Vimalanda says path of dharma is =
very personal.
> Can somebody share views on th=
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e=3D2>For those who do not realize it, the word "Swamiji"
in the first epi=
sode with a rupee note under the pillow refers to Swami
Vivekananda (Naren=
dranath Datta then).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The person in the second episo=
de below is Swami
Yogananda (Jogindra Nath Roy Chaudhury). However, this i=
ncident did not happen
the first time Jogin met Ramakrishna. The first tim=
e Jogin met Ramakrishna, he
left quickly but decided to meet again. After =
meeting Ramakrishna several times,
Jogin decided to spend a night with him=
and serve if needed. So he stayed over
one night. That is when the incide=
nt happened.</FONT></DIV>
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jogin was a light sleeper and woke up =
in the middle
of the night. He found Ramakrishna missing in his bed. He we=
nt and checked at
the water pot and looked outside to see if Ramakrishna w=
as walking outside. When
he did not find, then he suspected "may be he tea=
ches us about brahmacharya
(celibacy), but goes to his wife secretly in th=
e night". He positioned himself
outside the nahabat (where Sarada Mat=
a lived) and watched the door
carefully. Later he heard the chattering of =
slippers from Panchavati on the
other side and found Ramakrishna approachi=
ng him. Ramakrishna first asked "what
are you doing here". When Jogin was =
silent and had an expression of shame on his
face, Ramakrishna calmly said=
"well, you are right to test me. You should test a
saint by the day and n=
ight before believing in him." Of course, Jogin was
ashamed and did not sl=
eep the whole night.</FONT></DIV>
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;
* *</FONT></DIV>
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size=3D2>I too suspected my guru a few times like Jogin and
questioned hi=
m. He too never took offense. I will describe one such
incident.</FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
Arial size=3D2>Once he told me that he "saw" me earlier in the day
when he=
was driving on a highway in UK. He apparently "saw" me doing homam
a=
t my house in US. He said he lifted his hand while driving, as if blessing =
me.
His wife sitting next to him asked what he was doing in the middle of =
driving at
a high speed on a highway. When he told her "Narasimha is doing=
a homam right
now and I am blessing him", she thought he was being crazy.=
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<DIV><FO=
NT face=3DArial size=3D2>When he described this incident, I immediately kne=
w
of a way to find out if he was being truthful. When I do homam, I normal=
ly wear
a veshti of white or red or yellow color. On that day, I was weari=
ng something I
very rarely wear and it would be nearly impossible to get i=
t right with a random
guess. I asked him "can I test you and verify if you=
really saw me". He said
"ok, let us see". Then I asked him "what was I we=
aring when doing homam this
morning". He said, "It seemed like you were we=
aring some strange kind of blue
color veshi and a shirt of a different sha=
de of blue color."</FONT></DIV>
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>He was absolutely correct. I use=
d my blue veshti
only twice so far and that day was one of the two days. W=
hat I was wearing on
that day for homam was something I rarely wear and di=
fficult to just guess. So
it is very very likely that he indeed saw me doi=
ng homam on that
day.</FONT></DIV>
</FONT></DIV>
sp;
* *</FONT></DIV>=

al size=3D2>Of course, siddhis like divya drishti (seeing
things far away =
mentally) are irrelevant. I am not interested in them at all. My
guru teac=
hes "whatever abilities we need for our work will be given by the
Mother. =
We should not desire anything and at the same time not reject anything
giv=
en by Her. Our only desire should be to remain at Her feet always and to
r=
emember to desire that always. Rest of the things will come and go as She w=
ants
us to do various things. Leave it to Her and go with the flow without=
resisting
and feeling emotions like pride or shame, happiness or sadness =
etc."</FONT></DIV>
<D=
IV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I believe that my impulse to test my guru at=
that
instant came only because my guru (and the Mother) wanted me to do s=
o, because
there is some reason for that. Though it seems like I suspected=
my guru, I have
a lot of faith in him and in the Mother and think that I =
am used as an
instrument by them to do the work they want done, including =
testing guru with
temporary suspicion. I am an unsuspecting play=
mate in their Play. I
will not be surprised if Jogin also felt the same wa=
y later, after testing
Ramakrishna. But his action taught something to oth=
ers (even today!). That is
perhaps why Ramakrishna and Kali used Jogin as =
an instrument in their
Play.</FONT></DIV>
> </FONT></DIV>
bsp;
* *</FONT=
></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
e=3DArial size=3D2>In the example of money under Ramakrishna's pillow,
how=
did he know it? Did he have all kinds of super-natural abilities? May be. =
But there is another way to look at it. He was a pure soul and the Mother =
devised a divine play to demonstrate his purity. </FONT><FONT face=3DArial=
size=3D2>It was the Mother's divine play that Naren should get an impulse=
to test
Ramakrishna, Ramakrishna should get an impulse to run away from t=
he bed
and pass the test and it should inspire some people in future.=
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FO=
NT face=3DArial size=3D2>It is foolish to go after anything other than
get=
ting a perfect sense of surrender and devotion to the chosen deity. If that=
comes, everything needed for what one is supposed to do in the world is p=

rovided
by the chosen deity. No pride and no shame, no happiness and =
no sadness, no
excitement and no depression, no attraction and no repulsio=
n - one becomes a
child and a playmate in the Divine play of the chosen de=
ity. ALL that is needed
is a perfect sense of surrender. Ramakrishna had i=
t. Nature composed several
beautiful plays involving him and attracted the=
other actors of that play
towards him.</FONT></DIV>
rega=
rds,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------------------------------------------------=
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<DIV
style=3D"BACKGROUND=
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<A title=3D=
rajarshi14@... href=3D"mailto:rajarshi14@...">rajarshi
n=
andy</A> </DIV>
ic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com
href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com">v=
edic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com</A>
</DIV>
><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:22
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"=
FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Yogananda
(Re: =
Dharma)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 bo=
rder=3D0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop>
<DIV>Dear Na=
rasimhaji</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Another wonderful ma=
il. Everyday when I open my mailbox in the
morning, I keep searchi=
ng for your mails. Each one is an
inspiration.</DIV>
<DIV>=
<DIV>One more point=
I would like to add, I had read some books on Thakur
in Bengali a=
nd in one there was the description of an indicident. Once
Swamiji=
wanted to test Thakur. Since Thakur used to say that he could
not=
handle money (as it represented something grossly material), Swamji
=
deliberately put a note under Thakur's pillow when Thakur was not in the=
room. Later when Thakur come to sleep in teh bed, he instantly go=
t up as
if in pain and said something is very wrong in here, Hrida=
y, who was
used to be there, searched the bed and found that money=
under his
pillow. But Thakur never got offended with these things=
.</DIV>
=
<DIV>Infact in one instance, when one of his disciples had come to him
=
for the first time, Thakur asked him to stay over at Dakshineshwar. =
At
night the disciple woke up and saw that Thakur was leaving the =
room. A
doubt entered the disciples mind, he thought maybe Thakur =
is goinfg
towards the Nahabat house where Sri Sarada Ma used to st=
ay. So he
quitely decided to follow Thakur and see where he is goi=
ng, after all it
maybe that Thakur used to visit the Nahabat secre=
tly etc etc.. he was
genuinely suspicious. Then as he left the roo=
m following Thakur at a
distance, he saw Thakur going to the Panch=
vati and sitting down for
meditation and there he sat for two hour=
s.Later when Thakur came back,
he told that person, who later beca=
me his disciple, that he had done
very good to test Thakur. Furthe=
r Thakur said, no one should accept a
Guru without testing. And to=
see and judge a person's sprittuality he
has to be observed when =
he is public and when he is alone. There should
be no diference in=
his words and actions. Etc etc.</DIV>
=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Every incident in Thakur's life is li=
ke an illustration of a deeper
point for ordianry people like us.<=
/DIV>
=
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV>=
<EM><STRONG>
style=3D=
"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This above
a=
ll: to thine own self be true!" -
Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></ST=
RONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue,
30/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. R=
ao <I><pvr@...></I></B>
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUO=
TE
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(=
16,16,255) 2px solid">From:
Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter=
.net><BR>Subject:
[vedic-wisdom] Re: Yogananda (Re: Dharma)<B=
R>To:
vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Cc:
sivacharya@=
yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Tuesday, 30 September, 2008, 10:18
AM<B=
R><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv949563566>
=
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Lakshmi,</FONT=
></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is Kali yuga. While a real=
ly
spiritual person must continuously try to destroy ego, so man=
y
spiritual gurus are there around us with bloated egos which ar=
e easily
offended at a hint of criticism or overly excited at sy=
cophancy. Such
gurus are not of much use.</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2>But how do separate the grains from the
ch=
aff? It is not easy, especially when there are just a few grains in
=
the middle of a big pile of chaff. Astrology is useful but not that
=
much. Astrologer's mind, which makes the final judgments, works bas=
ed
on his/her prejudices and secret beliefs.</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FO=
NT face=3DArial
size=3D2>* &n=
bsp;
* *</FONT></DIV>
=
<D=
IV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In the past, many great souls used
=
intellectual discrimination and intuition to judge one's guru for a
=
long time before whole-heartedly embracing one's guru. In many
=
traditions within Hinduism, this is encouraged. You do not accept a
=
guru in an impulse. You "test" your guru and take your time to acc=
ept
him. But, once you accept a person as your guru, you follow =
him
faithfully.</FONT></DIV>
si=
ze=3D2>*
* =
*</FONT></DIV>
2>If you take Narendra (Swami Vivekananda)
, the celebrated disc=
iple of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, he was a highly
rational and sk=
eptical young man. Though Ramakrishna had induced a
samadhi in N=
arendra by mere touch in their second meeting itself, it
was not=
enough to convince Narendra of Ramakrishna' s ability and
purit=
y. He thought the whole experience could just have been a
halluc=
ination/ hypnotism and did not jump to any conclusion. As he
vis=
ited Ramakrishna continuously, received love and knowledge from him
=
and saw that Ramakrishna indeed walked the walk (as opposed to just
=
talking the talk), he was slowly convinced of the purity of
=
Ramakrishna. He then became a tireless soldier who dedicated his life
=
to carrying out the mission of his guru!</FONT></DIV>
<=
<DIV><FONT fa=
ce=3DArial size=3D2>During the early stages, he even told
Ramakr=
ishna bluntly about the latter's visions of Kali, Krishna, Rama
=
etc, "Sir, they could all just be your imaginations or hallucinations"
=
. Narendra did not even believe in god with a form and believed only=
in the formless. Ramakrishna was never offended at these

=
comments.</FONT></DIV>
NT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Other sishyas li=
ke Joginder (Swami
Yogananda) also approached Ramakrishna skepti=
cally and tested him for
a duration. These young men who surroun=
ded Ramakrishna weren't blind
men led by a blind man. They were =
all rishis or associates of rishis,
who were reborn together for=
a purpose.</FONT></DIV>
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>They observed Ramak=
rishna for a while,
confirmed that he practiced what he preached=
and realized that there
was a valuable lesson in each action an=
d word of his. They took a
while to realize his purity and =
divinity, but once they realized they
became faithful sishyas. H=
e accepted them, loved them and taught them
even before they rea=
lized his true nature and accepted him fully as
their guru. He k=
new they were skeptical and testing him, but he was
never offend=
ed (what good is a guru who cannot recognize a worthy
student an=
d what good is a guru whose ego is insulted at someone's
skeptic=
ism). Once they accepted him and became faithful sishyas, each
o=
ne of them was also transformed into a really pure person who takes
=
the entire life as a sadhana and maintains purity in every thought and =
action. Each sishya of a Ramakrishna was a role model in spiritu=

al
purity.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
=
<DIV>*
* &nbs=
p; *</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV><=
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One whose rinas dra=
w one towards a fake
guru gets such a guru because that is what =
his karmas entitle him to.
The circumstances we have to face are=
based on the previous actions.
But the current action (freewill=
) is in our hands. If one can truly
believe from the deepest cor=
es of heart that one's guru is pure and
like Shiva himself, foll=
ows guru blindly and entertains no doubt
whatsoever, that WILL p=
ay off oneday. Nature WILL bring light into
that person's spirit=
ual life. It is just a matter of
time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT f=
size=3D2>Thus, I will not be judgmental about
other gurus and th=
eir sishyas. If a sishya believes in his/her guru
fully, so be i=
t. It is not our business.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But,=
if one were to find a guru like
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa or Rama=
na Maharshi or Sri Aurobindo or Srila
Prabhupada, it is one's im=
mense luck. However, the point I want to
make is that having a g=
reat guru is not a guarantee of success and
also having a fake g=
uru is not a guarantee of failure!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
e=3D2>At the end of the day, the measure of
success in any sadha=
na is the purity generated by that sadhana. The
measure of the p=
urity is the effacement of ego. If ego is reduced
completely or =
eliminated, one is making progress. This can happen
inspite of w=
ho is the guru, what one is doing etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
ize=3D2>When the full grace of the Supreme Being
falls on a pers=
on, any medium is sufficient to reflect that
grace.</FONT></DIV>=

<=
DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best
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Dear Narasimha,
Could you please elaborate on this statement.
" Whether you are walking or talking or driving or typing or reading

or writing or answering nature's calls, you can still silently chant His name in
the mind.
I once had a discussion with our priest. We had gone to a temple where they had the
intercom connection in the restrooms, so that people could listen if there was some
announcement going on (as well as any prayers/bhajans). The priest felt that this
was very inappropriate and that we should not be listening to any prayers in the
restroom (let alone chant anything silently or otherwise). Thanks.
warm regards,
Chandraprakash

Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 1:04:17 AM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Harish Johari's books
Namaste Sir,
birth)? You can send it privately to pvr@charter. net.
If your goal is reaching Vaikuntha loka and serving the Lord, just chant His
name all the time when you are awake. Whether you are walking or talking or
driving or typing or reading or writing or answering nature's calls, you can
still silently chant His name in the mind.
If you do this enough, your mind will start chanting his name when it is
asleep too!
Your goal should be to repeat a (any) name of the Lord all the time, so that
Other things are not as useful as getting addicted to a name of the Lord.
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

From: "Bivash Ramroop" <bivaash108@yahoo. com>

>
>
>
> I have been reading his "Leela" book based on the Gyan Chaupad and it
> is very interesting and it resonates with my personal beliefs (that
> the ultimate goal of life is to reach Vaikuntha Loka and serve the
> Lord)
>
> However, I have read some reviews about his book, "Tools for Tantra"
>
>
> Any advice?
>
> Jaya Sita Raam
> Bivash
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serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Dear Narasimha,<br><br>Could you please elaborate on
this statement.<br><br>" Whether you are walking or talking or driving or typing
or reading <br>or writing or <span style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration:
underline;">answering nature's calls,</span> you can still silently chant His name
in the mind.</div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;
font-size: 12pt;"><br>I once had a discussion with our priest. We had gone to a
temple where they had the intercom connection in the restrooms, so that people
could listen if there was some announcement going on (as well as any
prayers/bhajans). The priest felt that this was very inappropriate and that we
should not be listening to any prayers in the restroom (let alone chant anything
silently or otherwise).
Thanks.<br><br>warm regards,<br>Chandraprakash<br><div style="border-left: 2px
<br>From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...><br>To: vedic-
wisdom@yahoogroups.com<br>Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 1:04:17 AM<br>Subject:
[vedic-wisdom] Re: Harish Johari's books<br><br>
<p>Namaste Sir,<br>
<br>
Do I know you from before?<br>
<br>
If you do not mind, can I have your birthdata (date, time and place of <br>
birth)? You can send it privately to <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:pvr
%40charter.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:pvr%40charter.net">pvr@charter.
net</a>.<br>
<br>
If your goal is reaching Vaikuntha loka and serving the Lord, just chant His <br>
name all the time when you are awake. Whether you are walking or talking or <br>
driving or typing or reading or writing or answering nature's calls, you can <br>
still silently chant His name in the mind.<br>
<br>
If you do this enough, your mind will start chanting his name when it is <br>
asleep too!<br>
<br>
Your goal should be to repeat a (any) name of the Lord all the time, so that <br>
taking that name becomes the second nature to your mind!<br>
<br>
Other things are not as useful as getting addicted to a name of the Lord.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Narasimha<br>
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From: "Bivash Ramroop" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bivaash108%40yahoo.com"
target="_blank" href="mailto:bivaash108%40yahoo.com">bivaash108@yahoo. com</a>><br>
To: <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com"
target="_blank" href="mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@
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Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 2:38 AM<br>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Harish Johari's books<br>
<br>
> Om Brihaspataye Namah<br>
><br>
> Namaste dear Narasimhaji and other enlightened members,<br>
><br>
> I have come across some interesting information about Harish Johari,<br>
> being an enlightened soul.<br>
><br>
> I have been reading his "Leela" book based on the Gyan Chaupad and it<br>
> is very interesting and it resonates with my personal beliefs (that<br>
> the ultimate goal of life is to reach Vaikuntha Loka and serve the<br>
> Lord)<br>
><br>
> However, I have read some reviews about his book, "Tools for Tantra"<br>
> with some people saying it is a dangerous book to read.<br>
> I am now feeling anxious because I wanted to read it, but now I am<br>
> scared that maybe it is too esoteric to read.<br>
><br>
> I have read other occult books before, but mostly by western authors<br>
> on subjects such as summoning spirits etc- and nothing freaky or<br>
> weird happened to me when reading those books.<br>
><br>
> Any advice?<br>
><br>
> Jaya Sita Raam<br>
> Bivash<br>
<br>
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Dogma is needed in the beginning of one's sadhana, but should be=

rejected as one progresses. Otherwise, it becomes a blockage instead of pr=
omoting progress. But it IS needed in the beginning.
Dogma dictates maint=

aining several kinds of external purity when chanting mantras, slokas and p=
rayers. The purpose of external purity is to eventually promote internal pu=
rity.
If someone already has a high level of internal purity and can focu=
s the mind on god irrespective of external circumstances, external purity i=
s irrelevant.
But, in the case of a less evolved person, focussing on god=

is difficult and depends on external factors. When one takes bath, wears c=
lean clothes, sits in a nice room with nice idols, nice lighting and incens=
e etc, one may be able to focus mind on god and mantra a little better. So =
dogma requires all those things.
If one is able to think of god's name al=

l the time and one's mind soars high irrespective of what the body is doing=
, it is foolish to try to stop the mind from soaring high and tying it down=
to the acts of the body. Dogma should be dumped then.
* * =
*
One lady told me once, "when I have my monthly periods, I am not suppos=
ed to say mantras. But my mind is used to always silently repeating certain=
mantras and that continues during my periods also. What should I do? It is=
not easy for me to stop my mind. My mind is so used to saying those names.=
Why should I stop consciously during my periods? Is it a sin to say god's =
name?"
This lady is very pure and clean-hearted. I see no reason to tell =

her, "no lady, it is a *sin* to say the mantra during your periods." Of cou=
rse, any clear-sighted person can see that it is NOT a sin to repeat god's =
name, irrespective of the circumstances and surroundings.
* * =
*
How to decide whether you should stick to dogma or dump it? If there=
is *any* little feeling of guilt inside you when you break a rule of dogma=
, it means you are not ready for breaking that rule. Then simply follow dog=
ma.
Suppose saying Gayatri mantra when you are urinating makes you a litt=
le uncomfortable or gives a little feeling of wrong-doing. Then don't say i=
t. Suppose someone else realizes that Gayatri mantra says that this entire =
universe is filled with the effulgence of Savita and thinks that the same S=
avita's effulgence is in a god's idol, in one's own body, in one's urine an=
d in the food one eats etc and there is no real distinction between all of =
them. Then he may chant Gayatri mantra even when urinating. What's wrong wi=
th it?
If there is ANY amount of guilt in one when are breaking dogma, on=
e probably needs to stick to dogma for more time.
Best regards,
Narasimha=
------------------------------------------------------------------
Do a Sh=
Do Pitri Tarpanas =
Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastr=
o.home.comcast.net
ger.org
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----- O=
To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogro=
ups.com
Subject: Re: [vedic-wis=
dom] Re: Harish Johari's books
Dear Narasimha,
Could you please elab=

orate on this statement.
" Whether you are walking or talking or drivin=

g or typing or reading
or writing or answering nature's calls, you can s=
till silently chant His name in the mind.
I once had a discussion with o=

ur priest. We had gone to a temple where they had the intercom connection i=
n the restrooms, so that people could listen if there was some announcement=
going on (as well as any prayers/bhajans). The priest felt that this was v=
ery inappropriate and that we should not be listening to any prayers in the=
restroom (let alone chant anything silently or otherwise). Thanks.
warm=
regards,
Chandraprakash

From: Narasimha=
Sent: Su=
nday, October 12, 2008 1:04:17 AM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Harish Joha=
ri's books
Namaste Sir,
If you do not =
mind, can I have your birthdata (date, time and place of
birth)? You can=
send it privately to pvr@charter. net.
If your goal is reaching Vaikunt=

ha loka and serving the Lord, just chant His
name all the time when you =
are awake. Whether you are walking or talking or
driving or typing or re=
ading or writing or answering nature's calls, you can
still silently cha=
nt His name in the mind.
If you do this enough, your mind will start cha=

nting his name when it is
asleep too!
Your goal should be to repeat a=

(any) name of the Lord all the time, so that
taking that name becomes t=
he second nature to your mind!
Other things are not as useful as getting=

addicted to a name of the Lord.
Best regards,
Narasimha
-----------=
- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
Do a Short Homam Yo=
urself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam
: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana
Spirituality: http://groups. y=
ahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom
t rologer.org
Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nat=
h.org
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
=
From: "Bivash Ramroop" <bivaash108@yahoo.=
com>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 20=
08 2:38 AM
> Om Brihaspa=
taye Namah
>
=
>
> I have come across some interesting information about Harish Johari=
,
>
> I have been reading his "Leela" bo=
ok based on the Gyan Chaupad and it
> is very interesting and it resonate=
s with my personal beliefs (that
> the ultimate goal of life is to reach =
Vaikuntha Loka and serve the
> Lord)
>
> However, I have read some re=
views about his book, "Tools for Tantra"
> with some people saying it is =
a dangerous book to read.
> I am now feeling anxious because I wanted to =
read it, but now I am
>=
=
> wei=
rd happened to me when reading those books.
>
> Any advice?
>
> Jay=
a Sita Raam
> Bivash
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instead of promoting progress. But=
it IS needed in the beginning.</FONT></DIV>
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the case of a less evolved person,
focussing on god is difficult and depen=
ds on external factors. When one takes
bath, wears clean clothes, sits in =
a nice room with nice idols, nice lighting
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e to focus mind on god and mantra a little
better. So dogma requires all t=
hose things.</FONT></DIV>
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If one is able to think of god's name =
all the time
and one's mind soars high irrespective of what the body is do=
ing, it is foolish
to try to stop the mind from soaring high and tying it =
down to the acts of the
body. Dogma should be dumped then.</FONT></DIV>
<D=
size=3D2>*
* &n=
bsp; *</FONT></DIV>
p;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One lady told me once, "wh=
en I have my monthly
periods, I am not supposed to say mantras. But my min=
d is used to always
silently repeating certain mantras and that continues =
during my periods also.
What should I do? It is not easy for me to stop my=
mind. My mind is so used to
saying those names. Why should I stop conscio=
usly during my periods? Is it a sin
to say god's name?"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>=
e=3D2>This lady is very pure and clean-hearted. I see no
reason to tell he=
r, "no lady, it is a *sin* to say the mantra during your
periods." Of cour=
se, any clear-sighted person can see that it is NOT a sin to
repeat god's =
name, irrespective of the circumstances and
surroundings.</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
ize=3D2>*
* &nb=
sp; *</FONT></DIV>
;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>How to decide whether you s=
hould stick to dogma or
dump it? If there is *any* little feeling of guilt=
inside you when you break a
rule of dogma, it means you are not ready for=
breaking that rule. Then simply
follow dogma.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sup=
pose saying Gayatri mantra when you are
urinating makes you a little uncom=
fortable or gives a little feeling of
wrong-doing. Then don't say it. Supp=
ose someone else realizes that Gayatri
mantra says that this entire univer=
se is filled with the effulgence of Savita
and thinks that the same Savita=
's effulgence is in a god's idol, in one's own
body, in one's urine and in=
the food one eats etc and there is no real
distinction between all of the=
m. Then he may chant Gayatri mantra even when
urinating. What's wrong with=
it?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV=
><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If there is ANY amount of guilt in one when ar=
e
breaking dogma, one probably needs to stick to dogma for more time.</FON=
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
ce=3DArial size=3D2>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------------------=
------------------------------------------<BR>Do
a Short Homam Yourself: <=
/FONT><A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DA=
rial
href=3D"http://www.Ve=
dicAstrologer.org/tarpana"><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://www.VedicAst=
rologer.org/tarpana</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>Spirituality=
: </FONT><A
href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom"><FONT face=
=3DArial
size=3D2>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom</FONT></A><BR=
><FONT face=3DArial
href=
=3D"http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net"><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http:/=
/vedicastro.home.comcast.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>Fre=
e Jyotish software (Windows): </FONT><A
.org"><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>http://www.VedicAstrologer.org</FONT></A=
><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sri
Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: </FON=
T><A
size=3D2>htt=
p://www.SriJagannath.org</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>-------=
-----------------------------------------------------------
<BR></FONT></D=
IV>
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T: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D=
"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style=3D"B=
ACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A=
title=3Dvedicstudent@... href=3D"mailto:vedicstudent@...">Chan=
dra
Prakash</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A t=
itle=3Dvedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com
href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom@yahoogro=
ups.com">vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com</A>
</DIV>
0pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:54
PM</DIV>
<DIV st=
yle=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Harish
J=
ohari's books</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3D=
Arial size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-F=
AMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">
<DIV>Dear Narasimha,<BR>=
<BR>Could you please elaborate on this
statement.<BR><BR>" Whether you a=
re walking or talking or driving or
typing or reading <BR>or writi=
ng or <SPAN
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; TEXT-DECORATION: underline">answ=
ering nature's
calls,</SPAN> you can still silently chant His name in th=
e mind.</DIV>
<DIV
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new ro=
man,new york,times,serif"><FONT
face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2></FONT><BR>I once h=
ad a discussion with our priest. We had gone to a
temple where they had =
the intercom connection in the restrooms, so that people
could listen if=
there was some announcement going on (as well as any
prayers/bhajans). =
The priest felt that this was very inappropriate and that we
should not =
be listening to any prayers in the restroom (let alone chant
anything si=
lently or otherwise). Thanks.<BR><BR>warm
regards,<BR>Chandraprakash<BR>=
<DIV
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 5px 0px 5px=
5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,n=
ew york,times,serif">-----
Original Message ----<BR>From: Narasimha P.V.=
R. Rao
<pvr@...><BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Se=
nt: Sunday,
October 12, 2008 1:04:17 AM<BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: H=
arish Johari's
books<BR><BR>
<P>Namaste Sir,<BR=
><BR>Do I know you from before?<BR><BR>If you do not mind,
can I have yo=
ur birthdata (date, time and place of <BR>birth)? You can send it
privat=
ely to <A href=3D"mailto:pvr%40charter.net" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow =
ymailto=3D"mailto:pvr%40charter.net">pvr@charter. net</A>.<BR><BR>If you=

r goal
is reaching Vaikuntha loka and serving the Lord, just chant His <=
BR>name all
the time when you are awake. Whether you are walking or talk=
ing or <BR>driving
or typing or reading or writing or answering nature's=
calls, you can <BR>still
silently chant His name in the mind.<BR><BR>If=
you do this enough, your mind
will start chanting his name when it is <=
BR>asleep too!<BR><BR>Your goal
should be to repeat a (any) name of the =
Lord all the time, so that <BR>taking
that name becomes the second natur=
e to your mind!<BR><BR>Other things are not
as useful as getting addicte=
d to a name of the Lord.<BR><BR>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>----------=
-- --------- --------- --------- ---------
--------- -<BR>Do a Short Hom=
am Yourself: <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam" target=3D_=
blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam</A><BR>Do Pi=
tri Tarpanas
Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana=
" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpan=
a</A><BR>Spirituality: <A
href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wi=
sdom" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ved=
ic- wisdom</A><BR>Free Jyotish
lessons (MP3): <A href=3D"http://vedicast=
ro.home.comcast.net" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://vedicastro. h=
ome.comcast. net</A><BR>Free Jyotish software
(Windows): <A href=3D"http=
://www.VedicAstrologer.org" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.Ve=
dicAst rologer.org</A><BR>Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC)
website: <A href=3D=
"http://www.SriJagannath.org" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.=
SriJagan nath.org</A><BR>------------ ---------
--------- --------- ----=
----- --------- - <BR><BR>----- Original Message -----
<BR>From: "Bivash=
Ramroop" <<A href=3D"mailto:bivaash108%40yahoo.com"
target=3D_blank =
rel=3Dnofollow
ymailto=3D"mailto:bivaash108%40yahoo.com">bivaash108@yaho=
o. com</A>><BR>To:
<<A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.c=
om" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow
ymailto=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yaho=
ogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups.
com</A>><BR>Sent: Friday, Oct=
ober 10, 2008 2:38 AM<BR>Subject:
[vedic-wisdom] Harish Johari's books<B=
R><BR>> Om Brihaspataye
Namah<BR>><BR>> Namaste dear Narasimhaj=
i and other enlightened
members,<BR>><BR>> I have come across some=
interesting information about
Harish Johari,<BR>> being an enlighten=
ed soul.<BR>><BR>> I have been
reading his "Leela" book based on t=
he Gyan Chaupad and it<BR>> is very
interesting and it resonates with=
my personal beliefs (that<BR>> the
ultimate goal of life is to reach=
Vaikuntha Loka and serve the<BR>>
Lord)<BR>><BR>> However, I h=
ave read some reviews about his book, "Tools
for Tantra"<BR>> with so=
me people saying it is a dangerous book to
read.<BR>> I am now feelin=
g anxious because I wanted to read it, but now I
am<BR>> scared that =
maybe it is too esoteric to read.<BR>><BR>> I
have read other occu=
lt books before, but mostly by western authors<BR>> on
subjects such =
as summoning spirits etc- and nothing freaky or<BR>> weird
happened t=
o me when reading those books.<BR>><BR>> Any
advice?<BR>><BR>&g=
t; Jaya Sita Raam<BR>>
Bivash</P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE=
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 06:21:48 -0000
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Dear Narasimhaji,
Hare Krishna
Thankyou for your me=

ssage- priceless words of wisdom!
I will take your answer as Krishna's wa=
y of reminding me to stay on
my bhakti yoga path, and not deviate.
Thank=
you!
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

Hare Rama Hare R=
ama Rama Rama Hare Hare
-Bivash
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Nar=

asimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...>
wrote:
>
> Namaste Sir,
>
> Do I know you fr=
om before?
>
> If you do not mind, can I have your birthdata (date, time a=
nd place
of
> birth)? You can send it privately to pvr@...
>
> If your g=
oal is reaching Vaikuntha loka and serving the Lord, just
chant His
> nam=
e all the time when you are awake. Whether you are walking or
talking or
=
> driving or typing or reading or writing or answering nature's
calls, you=
can
> still silently chant His name in the mind.
>
> If you do this enou=
gh, your mind will start chanting his name when
it is
> asleep too!
>
> =
Your goal should be to repeat a (any) name of the Lord all the
time, so th=
at
> taking that name becomes the second nature to your mind!
>
> Other t=
hings are not as useful as getting addicted to a name of the
Lord.
>
> Be=
st regards,
> Narasimha
> -------------------------------------------------=
-----------------
> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.o=
rg/homam
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpa=
na
> Free Jyotis=
> Free Jyotish software=
> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) web=
> ---------------------------------------=
---------------------------
>
> From: "Bi=
vash Ramroop" <bivaash108@...>
> Sent:=
Friday, October 10, 2008 2:38 AM
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Harish Johari's=
books
>
>
> > Om Brihaspataye Namah
> >
> > Namaste dear Narasimhaji and=
other enlightened members,
> >
> > I have come across some interesting inf=
ormation about Harish
Johari,
> > being an enlightened soul.
> >
> > I hav=
e been reading his "Leela" book based on the Gyan Chaupad
and it
> > is ve=
ry interesting and it resonates with my personal beliefs
(that
> > the ult=
imate goal of life is to reach Vaikuntha Loka and serve the
> > Lord)
> >
>=
> However, I have read some reviews about his book, "Tools for
Tantra"
> =
> > I am now feel=
ing anxious because I wanted to read it, but now I am
> > scared that maybe=
it is too esoteric to read.
> >
> > I have read other occult books before,=
but mostly by western
authors
> > on subjects such as summoning spirits e=
tc- and nothing freaky or
> > weird happened to me when reading those books=
.
> >
> > Any advice?
> >
> > Jaya Sita Raam
> > Bivash
>
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SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM
AUM GURUBYO NAMAH
Namaste.=C2=
=A0 May i write a few lines?
Most of the times the following enlisted acti=

vities viz., walking or talking or
driving or typing or reading or writin=
g or answering nature's calls, take place in a semi-conscious state/mechani=
cally.
Utterance of the Nama/name of the Lord should take place in a fully=

conscious state.=C2=A0 In other words highest value should be given to the=
utterance of the 'nama' as both the 'nama' and the lord are one and the sa=
me/inseparable. The person is not indeed aware about the other activities e=
nlisted above when he is in the 'nama-yamuna'!!/nama-vrindavana!!/nama-saga=
ra!!.
The goal therefore should be to transcend from the state of mechanic=

alness to that of consciousness.
HARE KRSNA HARE KRSNA KRSNA KRSNA HARE HA=

RE
HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE
Best wishes.
May Mother Bless.=
Astrologically & spiritually yours,

p.s.ramanarayanan.
--- On Sun, 12/10=

From: Narasimha P.V.R. R=
ao <pvr@...>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Harish Johari's books
To: =
Date: Sunday, 12 October, 2008, 10:34 AM
Namaste Sir,
If you =
do not mind, can I have your birthdata (date, time and place of
birth)? Y=
ou can send it privately to pvr@charter. net.
If your goal is reaching V=

aikuntha loka and serving the Lord, just chant His
name all the time when=

you are awake. Whether you are walking or talking or
driving or typing o=
r reading or writing or answering nature's calls, you can
still silently =
chant His name in the mind.
If you do this enough, your mind will start =

chanting his name when it is
asleep too!
Your goal should be to repeat=

a (any) name of the Lord all the time, so that
taking that name becomes =

the second nature to your mind!
Other things are not as useful as gettin=

g addicted to a name of the Lord.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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=
=
>
>
> I have c=
ome across some interesting information about Harish Johari,
> being an en=

lightened soul.
>
> I have been reading his "Leela" book based on the Gya=
n Chaupad and it
> is very interesting and it resonates with my personal b=

eliefs (that
> the ultimate goal of life is to reach Vaikuntha Loka and se=
rve the
> Lord)
>
> However, I have read some reviews about his book, "T=
ools for Tantra"
> with some people saying it is a dangerous book to read.=

> s=
cared that maybe it is too esoteric to read.
>
> I have read other occult=

books before, but mostly by western authors
> on subjects such as summoni=

ng spirits etc- and nothing freaky or
> weird happened to me when reading =

those books.
>
> Any advice?
>
> Jaya Sita Raam
> Bivash
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;">SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM<br>AUM GURUBYO NAMAH<b=
r><br>Dear Shri Narasimha,<br><br>Namaste. May i write a few lines?<b=
r><br>Most of the times the following enlisted activities viz., walking or =
talking or <br>
driving or typing or reading or writing or answering nature=
's calls, take place in a semi-conscious state/mechanically.<br><br>Utteran=
ce of the Nama/name of the Lord should take place in a fully conscious stat=
e. In other words highest value should be given to the utterance of t=
he 'nama' as both the 'nama' and the lord are one and the same/inseparable.=
The person is not indeed aware about the other activities enlisted above w=
hen he is in the 'nama-yamuna'!!/nama-vrindavana!!/nama-sagara!!.<br><br>Th=
e goal therefore should be to transcend from the state of mechanicalness to=
that of consciousness.<br><br>HARE KRSNA HARE KRSNA KRSNA KRSNA HARE HARE<=
br>HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE<br><br>Best wishes.<br><br>May M=
other Bless.<br><br>Astrologically & spiritually yours,<br>p.s.ramanara=
yanan.<br><br>--- On <b>Sun, 12/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <i><pvr@char=
ter.net></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid r=
gb(16, 16,
255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">From: Narasimha P.V=
.R. Rao <pvr@...><br>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Harish Johar=
i's books<br>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<br>Date: Sunday, 12 October, =
2008, 10:34 AM<br><br><div id=3D"yiv2044196472">
<div id=3D"ygrp-t=
ext">
<p>Namaste Sir,<br>
<br>
Do I know you from before?<br>
<=
br>
If you do not mind, can I have your birthdata (date, time and place of =
<br>
birth)? You can send it privately to <a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_bl=
ank" href=3D"mailto:pvr%40charter.net">pvr@charter. net</a>.<br>
<br>
If yo=
ur goal is reaching Vaikuntha loka and serving the Lord, just chant His <br=
>
name all the time when you are awake. Whether you are walking or talking =
or <br>
driving or typing or reading or writing or answering nature's calls=
, you can <br>
still silently chant His name in the mind.<br>
<br>
If you d=
o this enough, your mind will start chanting his name when it is <br>
aslee=
p too!<br>
<br>
Your goal should be to repeat a (any) name of the Lord all =
the time, so that <br>
taking that name becomes the second nature to your m=
ind!<br>
<br>
Other things are not as useful as getting addicted to a name =
of the Lord.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Narasimha<br>
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ash108@yahoo. com</a>><br>
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com</a>><br>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 2:38 AM<br>
Subject: [vedic-=
wisdom] Harish Johari's books<br>
<br>
> Om Brihaspataye Namah<br>
><=
br>
> Namaste dear Narasimhaji and other enlightened members,<br>
><b=
r>
> I have come across some interesting information about Harish Johari=
,<br>
> being an enlightened soul.<br>
><br>
> I have been reading=
his "Leela" book based on the Gyan Chaupad and it<br>
> is very interes=
ting and it resonates with my personal beliefs (that<br>
> the ultimate =
goal of life is to reach Vaikuntha Loka and serve the<br>
> Lord)<br>
&g=
t;<br>
> However, I have read some reviews about his book, "Tools for Ta=
ntra"<br>
> with some people saying it is a dangerous book to read.<br>
=
> I am now feeling anxious because I wanted to read it, but now I am<br>=
> scared that maybe it is too esoteric to read.<br>

><br>
> I hav=
e read other occult books before, but mostly by western authors<br>
> on=
subjects such as summoning spirits etc- and nothing freaky or<br>
> wei=
rd happened to me when reading those books.<br>
><br>
> Any advice?<b=
r>
><br>
> Jaya Sita Raam<br>
> Bivash<br>
<br>
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Namaste Narsimhaji,
Can u please expound more on this question :
"when I=
have my monthly periods, I am not supposed to say mantras.
But my mind is =
used to always silently repeating certain mantras and
that continues during=
my periods also. What should I do?"
What is the reason behind not praying=

at this time and what are the
Dos and Dont's to be followed.
Kind Regards=
,
Sunita
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" =

<pvr@...>
wrote:
>
> Namaste,
>
> Dogma is needed in the beginning of one=
's sadhana, but should be
rejected as one progresses. Otherwise, it becomes=
a blockage instead
of promoting progress. But it IS needed in the beginnin=
g.
>
> Dogma dictates maintaining several kinds of external purity when
c=
hanting mantras, slokas and prayers. The purpose of external purity
is to e=
ventually promote internal purity.
>
> If someone already has a high leve=
l of internal purity and can focus
the mind on god irrespective of external=
circumstances, external
purity is irrelevant.
>
> But, in the case of a =
less evolved person, focussing on god is
difficult and depends on external =
factors. When one takes bath, wears
clean clothes, sits in a nice room with=
nice idols, nice lighting and
incense etc, one may be able to focus mind o=
n god and mantra a little
better. So dogma requires all those things.
>
>=
If one is able to think of god's name all the time and one's mind
soars hi=
gh irrespective of what the body is doing, it is foolish to
try to stop the=
mind from soaring high and tying it down to the acts
of the body. Dogma sh=
ould be dumped then.
>
> * * *
>
> One lady told me once,=
"when I have my monthly periods, I am not
supposed to say mantras. But my =
mind is used to always silently
repeating certain mantras and that continue=
s during my periods also.
What should I do? It is not easy for me to stop m=
y mind. My mind is so
used to saying those names. Why should I stop conscio=
usly during my
periods? Is it a sin to say god's name?"
>
> This lady is =
very pure and clean-hearted. I see no reason to tell
her, "no lady, it is a=
*sin* to say the mantra during your periods."
Of course, any clear-sighted=
person can see that it is NOT a sin to
repeat god's name, irrespective of =
the circumstances and surroundings.
>
> * * *
>
> How to =
decide whether you should stick to dogma or dump it? If there
is *any* litt=
le feeling of guilt inside you when you break a rule of
dogma, it means you=
are not ready for breaking that rule. Then simply
follow dogma.
>
> Supp=
ose saying Gayatri mantra when you are urinating makes you a
little uncomfo=
rtable or gives a little feeling of wrong-doing. Then
don't say it. Suppose=
someone else realizes that Gayatri mantra says
that this entire universe i=
s filled with the effulgence of Savita and
thinks that the same Savita's ef=
fulgence is in a god's idol, in one's
own body, in one's urine and in the f=
ood one eats etc and there is no
real distinction between all of them. Then=
he may chant Gayatri mantra
even when urinating. What's wrong with it?
> =
> If there is ANY amount of guilt in one when are breaking dogma, one
prob=
ably needs to stick to dogma for more time.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha=
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Do Pitri Tar=
> Spirituality: http=
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annath.org
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>
> From: Chandra Prakash
> T=
o: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:54 PM=
> Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Harish Johari's books

>
>
> Dear N=
arasimha,
>
> Could you please elaborate on this statement.
>
> " Whe=
ther you are walking or talking or driving or typing or reading
> or wr=
iting or answering nature's calls, you can still silently
chant His name in=
the mind.
>
> I once had a discussion with our priest. We had gone to a=
temple
where they had the intercom connection in the restrooms, so that
pe=
ople could listen if there was some announcement going on (as well
as any p=
rayers/bhajans). The priest felt that this was very
inappropriate and that =
we should not be listening to any prayers in
the restroom (let alone chant =
anything silently or otherwise). Thanks.
>
> warm regards,
> Chandrapr=
akash
>
> From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pv=
r@...>
> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2=
008 1:04:17 AM
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Harish Johari's books
>
>
=
> Namaste Sir,
>
> Do I know you from before?
>
> If you do not min=
d, can I have your birthdata (date, time and
place of
> birth)? You can =
send it privately to pvr@charter. net.
>
> If your goal is reaching Vaik=
untha loka and serving the Lord, just
chant His
> name all the time when=
you are awake. Whether you are walking or
talking or
> driving or typin=
g or reading or writing or answering nature's
calls, you can
> still sil=
ently chant His name in the mind.
>
> If you do this enough, your mind w=
ill start chanting his name when
it is
> asleep too!
>
> Your goal sh=
ould be to repeat a (any) name of the Lord all the
time, so that
> takin=
g that name becomes the second nature to your mind!
>
> Other things are=
not as useful as getting addicted to a name of
the Lord.
>
> Best regar=
ds,
> Narasimha
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- =
--------- -
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homam
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pana
> Fr=
> Free Jyo=
> Sri Jagannath =
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>
> ----- Original Message=
-----
> From: "Bivash Ramroop" <bivaash108@yahoo. com>
> To: <vedic-w=
isdom@ yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 2:38 AM
> Sub=
ject: [vedic-wisdom] Harish Johari's books
>
> > Om Brihaspataye Namah
>=
>
> > Namaste dear Narasimhaji and other enlightened members,
> >
> =
> =
> >
> > I have been reading his "Leela" =
book based on the Gyan Chaupad
and it
> > is very interesting and it reso=
nates with my personal beliefs (that
> > the ultimate goal of life is to =
reach Vaikuntha Loka and serve the
> > Lord)
> >
> > However, I have =
read some reviews about his book, "Tools for Tantra"
> > with some people=
saying it is a dangerous book to read.
> > I am now feeling anxious beca=
use I wanted to read it, but now I am
> > scared that maybe it is too eso=
teric to read.
> >
> > I have read other occult books before, but mostl=
y by western authors
> > on subjects such as summoning spirits etc- and n=
othing freaky or
> > weird happened to me when reading those books.
> >=
> > Any advice?

> >
> > Jaya Sita Raam
> > Bivash
>

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Subject: Re: Chanting the Holy Names
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Dear PS Ramanarayanan
Namaste
While I agree with yo=

u that our goal should be to transcend the
platform of mechanics, I still =
think that Their Lordships Holy Names
should always be on our lips- in wha=
tever we do.
For who truly knows when death will come knocking on our doo=
r?
Do you know the story of Ajamila?
Jaya Radha Damodhara

-Bivash
---=
In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, rama narayanan
<sree88ganesha@...> wrote=
:
>
> SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM
> AUM GURUBYO NAMAH
>
> Dear Shri Narasimha,
=
>
> Namaste.=C2=A0 May i write a few lines?
>
> Most of the times the fol=
lowing enlisted activities viz., walking
or talking or
>
> driving or ty=
ping or reading or writing or answering nature's
calls, take place in a se=
mi-conscious state/mechanically.
>
> Utterance of the Nama/name of the Lor=
d should take place in a fully
conscious state.=C2=A0 In other words highe=
st value should be given to
the utterance of the 'nama' as both the 'nama'=
and the lord are one
and the same/inseparable. The person is not indeed a=
ware about the
other activities enlisted above when he is in the 'nama-
ya=
muna'!!/nama-vrindavana!!/nama-sagara!!.
>
> The goal therefore should be =
to transcend from the state of
mechanicalness to that of consciousness.
> =
> HARE KRSNA HARE KRSNA KRSNA KRSNA HARE HARE

> HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA R=
AMA HARE HARE
>
> Best wishes.
>
> May Mother Bless.
>
> Astrologically =
& spiritually yours,
> p.s.ramanarayanan.
>
> --- On Sun, 12/10/08, Narasi=
mha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrote:
> Su=
bject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Harish Johari's books
> To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogro=
ups.com
> Date: Sunday, 12 October, 2008, 10:34 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
=
>
>
>
> Namaste Sir,
>
>
>
> Do I know you from befor=
e?
>
>
>
> If you do not mind, can I have your birthdata (date, time and=
place
of
>
> birth)? You can send it privately to pvr@charter. net.
>
=
>
>
> If your goal is reaching Vaikuntha loka and serving the Lord, just =
chant His
>
> name all the time when you are awake. Whether you are walk=
ing or
talking or
>
> driving or typing or reading or writing or answeri=
ng nature's
calls, you can
>
> still silently chant His name in the mind=
.
>
>
>
> If you do this enough, your mind will start chanting his name =
when
it is
>
> asleep too!
>
>
>
> Your goal should be to repeat a (a=
ny) name of the Lord all the
time, so that
>
> taking that name becomes =
the second nature to your mind!
>
>
>
> Other things are not as useful a=
s getting addicted to a name of the
Lord.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Na=
rasimha
>
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------=
-
>
> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam
>=
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana

> =

>
> Free Jy=
otish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net
>
> Free Jyotish=
>
> Sri Jagannath Cen=
>
> ------------ ---------=
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>
>
>
> ----- Original Messa=
ge -----
>
>
> To: <ved=
ic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com>
>
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 2:38 AM
> =
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Harish Johari's books
>
>
>
> > Om Brihaspata=
ye Namah
>
> >
>
> > Namaste dear Narasimhaji and other enlightened membe=
rs,
>
> >
>
> > I have come across some interesting information about Har=
ish
Johari,
>
>
> >
>
> > I have been re=
ading his "Leela" book based on the Gyan Chaupad
and it
>
> > is very int=
eresting and it resonates with my personal beliefs
(that
>
> > the ultima=
te goal of life is to reach Vaikuntha Loka and serve the
>
> > Lord)
>
> =
>
>
> > However, I have read some reviews about his book, "Tools for
Tant=
ra"
>
> > with some people saying it is a dangerous book to read.
>
> > I=
am now feeling anxious because I wanted to read it, but now I am
>
> > sc=
ared that maybe it is too esoteric to read.
>
> >
>
> > I have read other=
occult books before, but mostly by western
authors
>
> > on subjects suc=
h as summoning spirits etc- and nothing freaky or
>
> > weird happened to =
me when reading those books.
>
> >
>
> > Any advice?
>
> >
>
> > Jaya S=
ita Raam
>
> > Bivash
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>=
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Add more friends=
to your messenger and enjoy! Go to
http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
>

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When we offer services to the deity invoked in the fire, =

why is the
order first prithivi tattwa then akash, then vayu, then agni an=
d then
jal tattwa.
This may sound like a very silly question to ask, but =

it suddenly
entered my mind and I could find no answer for this.
-Regards=
Rajarshi

Oct 2008 03:28:35 -0000
2008 03:28:35 -0000
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Om Gurave Namah!
When I was active in DLS (Divine Life Society), I have he=

ard and read
that the name can be taken anytime. This is true when the soul=
is not
interested in material success or to that mater even any form of
kn=
owledge. I think Guru Shivanand gave the example of toothache. Does
one for=
get the toothache at any state? Why should one forget the names
of god then=
?
.....Swadhin
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, rama narayanan

<sree8=
8ganesha@...> wrote:
>
> SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM
> AUM GURUBYO NAMAH
>
> De=
ar Shri Narasimha,
>
> Namaste.=C2=A0 May i write a few lines?
>
> Most o=
f the times the following enlisted activities viz., walking or
talking or
=
>
> driving or typing or reading or writing or answering nature's calls,
t=
ake place in a semi-conscious state/mechanically.
>
> Utterance of the Nam=
a/name of the Lord should take place in a fully
conscious state.=C2=A0 In o=
ther words highest value should be given to the
utterance of the 'nama' as =
both the 'nama' and the lord are one and
the same/inseparable. The person i=
s not indeed aware about the other
activities enlisted above when he is in =
the
'nama-yamuna'!!/nama-vrindavana!!/nama-sagara!!.
>
> The goal therefor=
e should be to transcend from the state of
mechanicalness to that of consci=
ousness.
>
> HARE KRSNA HARE KRSNA KRSNA KRSNA HARE HARE
> HARE RAMA HARE =
RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE
>
> Best wishes.
>
> May Mother Bless.
>
> Astr=
ologically & spiritually yours,
> p.s.ramanarayanan.
>
> --- On Sun, 12/10=
> From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pv=
r@...>
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Harish Johari's books
> To: vedic-wisd=
om@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, 12 October, 2008, 10:34 AM
>
>
>
>
>=
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Namaste Sir,
>
>
>
> Do I know you=
from before?
>
>
>
> If you do not mind, can I have your birthdata (dat=
e, time and place of
>
> birth)? You can send it privately to pvr@charter=
. net.
>
>
>
> If your goal is reaching Vaikuntha loka and serving the L=
ord, just
chant His
>
> name all the time when you are awake. Whether you=
are walking or
talking or
>
> driving or typing or reading or writing or=
answering nature's calls,
you can
>
> still silently chant His name in t=
he mind.
>
>
>
> If you do this enough, your mind will start chanting hi=
s name when
it is
>
> asleep too!
>
>
>
> Your goal should be to repea=
t a (any) name of the Lord all the time,
so that
>
> taking that name bec=
omes the second nature to your mind!
>
>
>
> Other things are not as use=
ful as getting addicted to a name of the
Lord.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
=
> Narasimha
>
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -----=
---- -
>
> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ hom=
am
>
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpan=
a
>
>
> Fre=
>
> Free Jyo=
>
> Sri Jagannath=
>
> ------------ -----=
---- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
>
>
>
> ----- Original M=
essage -----
>
>
> To: =
>
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 2:38 A=
M
>
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Harish Johari's books
>
>
>
> > Om Brihas=
pataye Namah
>
> >
>
> > Namaste dear Narasimhaji and other enlightened m=
embers,
>
> >
>
> > I have come across some interesting information about=
Harish Johari,
>
>
> >
>
> > I have been=
reading his "Leela" book based on the Gyan Chaupad and it
>
> > is very i=
nteresting and it resonates with my personal beliefs (that
>
> > the ultim=
ate goal of life is to reach Vaikuntha Loka and serve the
>
> > Lord)
>
>=
>
>
> > However, I have read some reviews about his book, "Tools for Tant=
ra"
>
> > with some people saying it is a dangerous book to read.
>
> > I=
am now feeling anxious because I wanted to read it, but now I am
>
> > sc=
ared that maybe it is too esoteric to read.
>
> >
>
> > I have read other=
occult books before, but mostly by western authors
>
> > on subjects such=
as summoning spirits etc- and nothing freaky or
>
> > weird happened to m=
e when reading those books.
>
> >
>
> > Any advice?
>
> >
>
> > Jaya Si=
ta Raam
>
> > Bivash
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> =
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Add more friends =
to your messenger and enjoy! Go to
>
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Namaste,
I will reply to your mail using a metaphor.
Suppose one is abo=

ut to sink in the ocean and gets hold of a boat with just one hand. Suppose=
he just clings on to the boat with one hand as the fierce waves of the oce=
an keep pushing him in all directions.
Suppose a learned man comes and sa=

ys "this is not the way to ride a boat. My son, climb the boat, sit down ca=
lmly inside the boat and ride out the stormy waters of the ocean". Of cours=
e, the learned man is correct. That would definitely be a better way to rid=
e the boat!
But, if the waves keep pushing the hapless man and he is unab=
le to hold the boat with both hands and climb it, he should ensure that he =
is *atleast* hanging on to it with one hand. That will atleast stop him fro=
m sinking in the ocean! When the waves become less fierce and one gets an o=
pportunity, one may be able to climb inside the boat.
Best regards,
Naras=
imha
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From: rama narayanan
groups.com
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [vedic=
-wisdom] Re: Harish Johari's books
=
AUM GURUBYO NAMAH
Namaste. May i wr=

ite a few lines?
Most of the times the following enlisted activiti=

es viz., walking or talking or
driving or typing or reading or wri=
ting or answering nature's calls, take place in a semi-conscious state/mech=
anically.
Utterance of the Nama/name of the Lord should take place=

in a fully conscious state. In other words highest value should be given =
to the utterance of the 'nama' as both the 'nama' and the lord are one and =
the same/inseparable. The person is not indeed aware about the other activi=
ties enlisted above when he is in the 'nama-yamuna'!!/nama-vrindavana!!/nam=
a-sagara!!.
The goal therefore should be to transcend from the sta=

te of mechanicalness to that of consciousness.
HARE KRSNA HARE KRS=

NA KRSNA KRSNA HARE HARE
=
Best wishes.
May Mother Bless.
Astrologically & sp=

iritually yours,
p.s.ramanarayanan.
--- On Sun, 12/10/08, =

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrote:
From: Narasimha P.=

V.R. Rao <pvr@...>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Harish Joh=
ari's books
Date: Sund=
ay, 12 October, 2008, 10:34 AM
Namaste Sir,
Do I kno=
w you from before?
If you do not mind, can I have your birthdata=

(date, time and place of
birth)? You can send it privately to p=
vr@charter. net.
If your goal is reaching Vaikuntha loka and ser=

ving the Lord, just chant His
name all the time when you are awa=
ke. Whether you are walking or talking or
driving or typing or r=
eading or writing or answering nature's calls, you can
still sil=
ently chant His name in the mind.
If you do this enough, your mi=

nd will start chanting his name when it is
asleep too!
=
Your goal should be to repeat a (any) name of the Lord all the time, so t=
hat
=
Other things are not as useful as getting addicted to a name of the=
Lord.
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------ =
--------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
Do a Short Ho=
mam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam
Do Pitri Tar=
panas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana
Spiritua=
lity: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom
Free Jyotish =
lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net
Free Jyotish =
Sri Jagannath=
------------ =
--------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
----- Origi=
nal Message -----
From: "Bivash Ramroop" <bivaash108@yahoo. com>=

Sent: Friday, Oct=
ober 10, 2008 2:38 AM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Harish Johari's boo=
ks

>
> Namaste dear =
Narasimhaji and other enlightened members,
>
> I have c=
ome across some interesting information about Harish Johari,
> be=
ing an enlightened soul.
>
> I have been reading his "L=
eela" book based on the Gyan Chaupad and it
> is very interesting=
and it resonates with my personal beliefs (that
> the ultimate g=
oal of life is to reach Vaikuntha Loka and serve the
> Lord)
=
>
> However, I have read some reviews about his book, "Tool=
s for Tantra"
> with some people saying it is a dangerous book to=
read.
> I am now feeling anxious because I wanted to read it, bu=
t now I am
=
>
> I have read other occult books before, but mostly by west=
ern authors
> on subjects such as summoning spirits etc- and noth=
ing freaky or
=
>
> Any advice?
>
> Jaya Sita Raam
=
> Bivash
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Suppose one is about to sink in the ocean and gets
hold of a boat with jus=
t one hand. Suppose he just clings on to the boat with
one hand as the fie=
rce waves of the ocean keep pushing him in all
directions.</FONT></DIV>
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the way to ride=
a boat. My son, climb the boat, sit down calmly inside the boat
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correct=
. That would definitely be a better way to ride the boat!</FONT></DIV>
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ze=3D2>But, if the waves keep pushing the hapless man and
he is unable to =
hold the boat with both hands and climb it, he should ensure
that he is *a=
tleast* hanging on to it with one hand. That will atleast stop him
from si=
nking in the ocean! When the waves become less fierce and one gets an
oppo=
rtunity, one may be able to climb inside the boat.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>--------------------------------------------=
----------------------<BR>Do
href=3D"http://ww=
w.VedicAstrologer.org/homam">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</A><BR>Do=

href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpa=
na">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana</A><BR>Spirituality:
<A
href=
=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom">http://groups.yahoo.com/gro=
up/vedic-wisdom</A><BR>Free
castro.home.comcast.net">http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net</A><BR>Free
Jy=
otish software (Windows): <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org">http:=
//www.VedicAstrologer.org</A><BR>Sri
h=
ref=3D"http://www.SriJagannath.org">http://www.SriJagannath.org</A><BR>----=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To=
:</B> <A title=3Dvedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com
href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdo=
m@yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style=
=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 13, 2008 11:04
AM</DI=
V>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re:=
Harish
Johari's books</DIV>
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<TD vAlign=3Dtop>SARVAM G=
YANANANDAMAYAM<BR>AUM GURUBYO NAMAH<BR><BR>Dear
Shri Narasimha,<BR=
><BR>Namaste. May i write a few
lines?<BR><BR>Most of the ti=
mes the following enlisted activities viz.,
walking or talking or =
<BR>driving or typing or reading or writing or
answering nature's =
calls, take place in a semi-conscious
state/mechanically.<BR><BR>U=
tterance of the Nama/name of the Lord should
take place in a fully=
conscious state. In other words highest
value should be giv=
en to the utterance of the 'nama' as both the 'nama'
and the lord =
are one and the same/inseparable. The person is not indeed
aware a=
bout the other activities enlisted above when he is in the
'nama-y=
amuna'!!/nama-vrindavana!!/nama-sagara!!.<BR><BR>The goal
therefor=
e should be to transcend from the state of mechanicalness to
that =
of consciousness.<BR><BR>HARE KRSNA HARE KRSNA KRSNA KRSNA HARE
HA=
RE<BR>HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE<BR><BR>Best
wishes.<=
BR><BR>May Mother Bless.<BR><BR>Astrologically & spiritually
y=
ours,<BR>p.s.ramanarayanan.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 12/10/08, Narasimha
=
P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@...></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCK=
QUOTE
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: r=
gb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:
Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@char=
ter.net><BR>Subject:
[vedic-wisdom] Re: Harish Johari's books=
<BR>To:
vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Sunday, 12 October=
, 2008, 10:34
AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv2044196472>
=
<P>Namaste Sir,<BR><BR>Do I know you f=
rom before?<BR><BR>If you do not
mind, can I have your birthdata=
(date, time and place of <BR>birth)?
You can send it privately =
to <A href=3D"mailto:pvr%40charter.net"
follow>pvr@charter. net</A>.<BR><BR>If your goal
is reaching Vai=
kuntha loka and serving the Lord, just chant His
<BR>name all th=
e time when you are awake. Whether you are walking or
talking or=
<BR>driving or typing or reading or writing or answering
nature=
's calls, you can <BR>still silently chant His name in the
mind.=
<BR><BR>If you do this enough, your mind will start chanting his
=
name when it is <BR>asleep too!<BR><BR>Your goal should be to repeat a
=
(any) name of the Lord all the time, so that <BR>taking that name
=
becomes the second nature to your mind!<BR><BR>Other things are n=
ot as
useful as getting addicted to a name of the Lord.<BR><BR>B=
est
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------ --------- --------- --=
-------
--------- --------- -<BR>Do a Short Homam Yourself: <A
=
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam" target=3D_blank
=
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam</A><BR>Do Pit=
ri
Tarpanas Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/=
tarpana"
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rolo=
ger.org/
href=3D"http=
://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dno=
follow>http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom</A><BR>Free
=
Jyotish lessons (MP3): <A href=3D"http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net"
=
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://vedicastro. home.comcast.
=
net</A><BR>Free Jyotish software (Windows): <A
href=3D"ht=
tp://www.VedicAstrologer.org" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>htt=
p://www.VedicAst rologer.org</A><BR>Sri Jagannath
Centre (SJC) w=
ebsite: <A href=3D"http://www.SriJagannath.org"
target=3D_blank =
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.SriJagan
nath.org</A><BR>------------ =
--------- --------- --------- ---------
--------- - <BR><BR>----=
- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Bivash
Ramroop" <<A href=
=3D"mailto:bivaash108%40yahoo.com" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollo=
w>bivaash108@yahoo. com</A>><BR>To: <<A
href=3D"mailto:ved=
ic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>vedi=
c-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>><BR>Sent: Friday,
October 10, =
2008 2:38 AM<BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Harish Johari's
books<BR=
><BR>> Om Brihaspataye Namah<BR>><BR>> Namaste dear
Nar=
asimhaji and other enlightened members,<BR>><BR>> I have come
=
across some interesting information about Harish Johari,<BR>> being =
an enlightened soul.<BR>><BR>> I have been reading his "Le=

ela"
book based on the Gyan Chaupad and it<BR>> is very inter=
esting and
it resonates with my personal beliefs (that<BR>> t=
he ultimate goal
of life is to reach Vaikuntha Loka and serve th=
e<BR>>
Lord)<BR>><BR>> However, I have read some review=
s about his
book, "Tools for Tantra"<BR>> with some people sa=
ying it is a
dangerous book to read.<BR>> I am now feeling an=
xious because I
wanted to read it, but now I am<BR>> scared t=
hat maybe it is too
esoteric to read.<BR>><BR>> I have rea=
d other occult books
before, but mostly by western authors<BR>&g=
t; on subjects such as
summoning spirits etc- and nothing freaky=
or<BR>> weird happened to
me when reading those books.<BR>&g=
t;<BR>> Any
advice?<BR>><BR>> Jaya Sita Raam<BR>>
=
Bivash<BR><BR></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TAB=
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=C2=A0
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o thine own self be true!" - Hamlet
--- On Wed, 15/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R.=

Rao <pvr@...> wrote:
From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...>=
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Chanting god's name (Re: Harish Johari's books)

To=
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Date: Wednesday, 15 October, 2008, 8:57 PM
=EF=BB=BF
Namaste,
=C2=A0
I will reply to your mail using a metaphor.=
=C2=A0
Suppose one is about to sink in the ocean and gets hold of a boat w=
ith just one hand. Suppose he just clings on to the boat with one hand as t=
he fierce waves of the ocean keep pushing him in all directions.
=C2=A0
Sup=
pose a learned man comes and says "this is not the way to ride a boat. My s=
on, climb the boat, sit down calmly inside the boat and ride out the stormy=
waters of the ocean". Of course, the learned man is correct. That would de=
finitely be a better way to ride the boat!
=C2=A0
But, if the waves keep pu=
shing the hapless man and he is unable to hold the boat with both hands and=
climb it, he should ensure that he is *atleast* hanging on to it with one =
hand. That will atleast stop him from sinking in the ocean! When the waves =
become less fierce and one gets an opportunity, one may be able to climb in=
side the boat.
=C2=A0
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------ --------- ------=
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Do a Short Homam Yourself: http=
Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.V=
edicAst rologer.org/ tarpana
Spirituality: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/=
vedic- wisdom
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net
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From: rama narayanan
Se=
nt: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Haris=
h Johari's books
=C2=A0
AUM GURUBYO NAMAH
Dear S=
hri Narasimha,
Namaste.=C2=A0 May i write a few lines?
Most of the times =

the following enlisted activities viz., walking or talking or
driving or t=
yping or reading or writing or answering nature's calls, take place in a se=
mi-conscious state/mechanically.
Utterance of the Nama/name of the Lord sh=

ould take place in a fully conscious state.=C2=A0 In other words highest va=
lue should be given to the utterance of the 'nama' as both the 'nama' and t=
he lord are one and the same/inseparable. The person is not indeed aware ab=
out the other activities enlisted above when he is in the 'nama-yamuna' !!/=
nama-vrindava na!!/nama- sagara!!.
The goal therefore should be to transce=

nd from the state of mechanicalness to that of consciousness.
HARE KRSNA H=
ARE KRSNA KRSNA KRSNA HARE HARE
Be=
st wishes.
May Mother Bless.
Astrologically & spiritually yours,

p.s.rama=
narayanan.
--- On Sun, 12/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net> w=

rote:

] Re: Harish Johari's books
Date: Sunday=
, 12 October, 2008, 10:34 AM
Namaste Sir,
=
bir=
th)? You can send it privately to pvr@charter. net.
If your goal is reachi=

ng Vaikuntha loka and serving the Lord, just chant His
name all the time w=
hen you are awake. Whether you are walking or talking or
driving or typing=
or reading or writing or answering nature's calls, you can
still silently=
chant His name in the mind.
If you do this enough, your mind will start c=

hanting his name when it is
asleep too!
Your goal should be to repeat a (=

any) name of the Lord all the time, so that
taking that name becomes the s=
econd nature to your mind!
Other things are not as useful as getting addic=

ted to a name of the Lord.
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------ --------- =
--------- --------- --------- --------- -
Do a Short Homam Yourself: http:/=
/www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam
Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.Ved=
icAst rologer.org/ tarpana
Spirituality: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ve=
dic- wisdom
Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. ne=
t
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nnath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org
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--
To: <vedic-wisdom@ yahoo=
groups. com>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom]=
Harish Johari's books

>
> Namaste dear Narasimhaj=
i and other enlightened members,
>
> I have come across some interesting in=
formation about Harish Johari,
>
> I have been=
reading his "Leela" book based on the Gyan Chaupad and it
> is very intere=
sting and it resonates with my personal beliefs (that
> the ultimate goal o=
f life is to reach Vaikuntha Loka and serve the
> Lord)
>
> However, I have=
read some reviews about his book, "Tools for Tantra"
> with some people sa=
ying it is a dangerous book to read.
> I am now feeling anxious because I w=
anted to read it, but now I am
> scared that maybe it is too esoteric to re=
ad.
>
> I have read other occult books before, but mostly by western author=
s
> weir=
d happened to me when reading those books.
>
> Any advice?
>
> Jaya Sita Ra=
am
> Bivash
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>As usual, another wonderful analogy!. Na=
rasimhaji you have a very rational and logical mind.</DIV>
<DIV> =
</DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRO=
NG>
amlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 15/10=
/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@...></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BL=
OCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,=
16,255) 2px solid">From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...><BR>Su=
bject: [vedic-wisdom] Chanting god's name (Re: Harish Johari's books)<BR>To=
: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Wednesday, 15 October, 2008, 8:57 P=
M<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv1090541192>
<DIV>=EF=BB=BF
<DI=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I will reply=
to your mail using a metaphor.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Suppose one is ab=
out to sink in the ocean and gets hold of a boat with just one hand. Suppos=
e he just clings on to the boat with one hand as the fierce waves of the oc=
ean keep pushing him in all directions.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Suppose a l=
earned man comes and says "this is not the way to ride a boat. My son, clim=
b the boat, sit down calmly inside the boat and ride out the stormy waters =
of the ocean". Of course, the learned man is correct. That would definitely=
be a better way to ride the boat!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But, if the wave=
s keep pushing the hapless man and he is unable to hold the boat with both =
hands and climb it, he should ensure that he is *atleast* hanging on to it =
with one hand. That will atleast stop him from sinking in the ocean! When t=
he waves become less fierce and one gets an opportunity, one may be able to=
climb inside the boat.</FONT></DIV>
;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best regards,<BR>Narasimha<=
BR>------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------=
<BR>Do a Short Homam Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/ho=
mam" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam<=
/A><BR>Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.or=
g/tarpana" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ =
tarpana</A><BR>Spirituality: <A href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic=
-wisdom" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ved=
ic- wisdom</A><BR>Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <A href=3D"http://vedicastro.=
home.comcast.net/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://vedicastro. home.c=
omcast. net</A><BR>Free Jyotish software (Windows): <A href=3D"http://www.v=
edicastrologer.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rol=
oger.org</A><BR>Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <A href=3D"http://www.s=
rijagannath.org/" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.SriJagan nath.=
org</A><BR>------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -=
-------- <BR></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px so=
lid">
<=
DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=
=3Dsree88ganesha@... href=3D"mailto:sree88ganesha@..." targ=
et=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>rama narayanan</A> </DIV>
pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dvedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com href=3D"mailto=
:vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@=
yahoogroups. com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> M=
onday, October 13, 2008 11:04 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>S=
ubject:</B> Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Harish Johari's books</DIV>
<DIV><FONT f=
ace=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>=
<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>
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<TD vAlign=3Dto=
p>SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM<BR>AUM GURUBYO NAMAH<BR><BR>Dear Shri Narasimha,<B=
R><BR>Namaste. May i write a few lines?<BR><BR>Most of the times the =
following enlisted activities viz., walking or talking or <BR>driving or ty=
ping or reading or writing or answering nature's calls, take place in a sem=
i-conscious state/mechanically.<BR><BR>Utterance of the Nama/name of the Lo=
rd should take place in a fully conscious state. In other words highe=
st value should be given to the utterance of the 'nama' as both the 'nama' =
and the lord are one and the same/inseparable. The person is not indeed awa=
re about the other activities enlisted above when he is in the 'nama-yamuna=
' !!/nama-vrindava na!!/nama- sagara!!.<BR><BR>The goal therefore should be=
to transcend from the state of mechanicalness to that of consciousness.<BR=
><BR>HARE KRSNA HARE KRSNA KRSNA KRSNA HARE HARE<BR>HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAM=
A RAMA HARE HARE<BR><BR>Best wishes.<BR><BR>May Mother
Bless.<BR><BR>Astro=
logically & spiritually yours,<BR>p.s.ramanarayanan.<BR><BR>--- On <B>S=
un, 12/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@charter. net></I></B> wrot=
e:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Na=
rasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: =
Harish Johari's books<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com<BR>Date: Sunday=
, 12 October, 2008, 10:34 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv2044196472>
<DIV id=3Dygr=
p-text>
<DIV>Namaste Sir,<BR><BR>Do I know you from before?<BR><BR>If you d=
o not mind, can I have your birthdata (date, time and place of <BR>birth)? =
You can send it privately to <A href=3D"mailto:pvr%40charter.net" target=3D=
_blank rel=3Dnofollow>pvr@charter. net</A>.<BR><BR>If your goal is reaching=
Vaikuntha loka and serving the Lord, just chant His <BR>name all the time =
when you are awake. Whether you are walking or talking or <BR>driving or ty=
ping or reading or writing or answering nature's calls, you can <BR>still s=
ilently chant His name in the mind.<BR><BR>If you do this enough, your mind=
will start chanting his name when it is <BR>asleep too!<BR><BR>Your goal s=
hould be to repeat a (any) name of the Lord all the time, so that <BR>takin=
g that name becomes the second nature to your mind!<BR><BR>Other things are=
not as useful as getting addicted to a name of the Lord.<BR><BR>Best regar=
ds,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --=
-------
-<BR>Do a Short Homam Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrolo=
edicastro.home.comcast.net/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://vedicast=
ro. home.comcast. net</A><BR>Free Jyotish software (Windows): <A href=3D"ht=
tp://www.vedicastrologer.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.Ve=
dicAst rologer.org</A><BR>Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <A href=3D"ht=
tp://www.srijagannath.org/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.SriJa=
gan nath.org</A><BR>------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --=
------- - <BR><BR>----- Original
Message ----- <BR>From: "Bivash Ramroop" =
<<A href=3D"mailto:bivaash108%40yahoo.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollo=
w>bivaash108@yahoo. com</A>><BR>To: <<A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%4=
0yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups.=
com</A>><BR>Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 2:38 AM<BR>Subject: [vedic-w=
isdom] Harish Johari's books<BR><BR>> Om Brihaspataye Namah<BR>><BR>&=
gt; Namaste dear Narasimhaji and other enlightened members,<BR>><BR>>=
I have come across some interesting information about Harish Johari,<BR>&g=
t; being an enlightened soul.<BR>><BR>> I have been reading his "Leel=
a" book based on the Gyan Chaupad and it<BR>> is very interesting and it=
resonates with my personal beliefs (that<BR>> the ultimate goal of life=
is to reach Vaikuntha Loka and serve the<BR>> Lord)<BR>><BR>> How=
ever, I have read some reviews about his book, "Tools for Tantra"<BR>> w=
ith some people saying it is a
dangerous book to read.<BR>> I am now fe=
eling anxious because I wanted to read it, but now I am<BR>> scared that=
maybe it is too esoteric to read.<BR>><BR>> I have read other occult=
books before, but mostly by western authors<BR>> on subjects such as su=
mmoning spirits etc- and nothing freaky or<BR>> weird happened to me whe=
n reading those books.<BR>><BR>> Any advice?<BR>><BR>> Jaya Sit=
a Raam<BR>> Bivash<BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBO=
DY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table><br>
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I have heard the two following verses from various sources an=
d they
are quite famous too!
"Sarve bhavantu sukhina, sarve santu niramay=

a,
sarve bhadrani pashayantu, maa kashchid-dukhabhavbhaveta!"
And Vasudiv=
a Kutumvakam
Which scriptures mention these two verses, can someone pleas=

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Namaste!
The source is mentioned below:
Sarve Bhavantu Sukhinah,

Sarve Sa=
ntu Niraamayah,
Sarve Bhadraani Pashyantu,
Maa Kaschid Dukha Mapnuyat.
Om S=
hanthi Shanthi Shanthi.
May all be happy;

May all be without disease;
May =
all look for well-being of others;
May none have misery of any sort.
=97 =
Brihadaaranyaka Upanishad 1.4.14
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-----------------------
Ayam nijah parovetthi gananam laghu-chetasaam|

Ud=
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"Myself, this is mine, that is =

yours is a petty way (Small mindness)
of people in seeing reality; for tho=
se with noble consciousness
(Udarcharit), the whole world is a family.
=
=97 Maha Upanishad, Fifth Chapter / Verse 71
yours,
utpal
--- In vedic-w=
isdom@yahoogroups.com, "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Membe=
rs
>
> I have heard the two following verses from various sources and
the=
y
> are quite famous too!
>
> "Sarve bhavantu sukhina, sarve santu nirama=
ya,
> sarve bhadrani pashayantu, maa kashchid-dukhabhavbhaveta!"
>
> And =
Vasudiva Kutumvakam
>
> Which scriptures mention these two verses, can so=
meone please
provide
> me the names?
>
> -Regards
> Rajarshi
>
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Namaste Reema ji,
These mudras are really secondary. As I said in the man=

ual, do them if you know and don't worry otherwise. When and if I make a yo=
utube video of Mahaganapathi homam that is fully consistent with the manual=
, I will show those mudras clearly.
You can find these and other mudras i=

n the following book (pages 508-520):
shrii vighneshvara stuti maMjarii

p=
uujaa-mantra-saparyaa-homa vibhaagaH
caturtho bhaagaH
Publisher is:
Sri=
Vighneswara Venkateswara Trust
283, T.T.K. Salai, Chennai - 600 018
First =
edition 2000
Best regards,
Narasimha
------------------------------------=
------------------------------
strologer.org/homam
Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.=
org/tarpana
Free J=
yotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
Free Jyotish softw=
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Sriganesh" <reema_sriganesh@...> wrote:
>
> || Hare Rama Krushna ||
>
> Na=
maskaar,
>
> The Homam Manuals uploaded by Narasimha Ji suggests that we d=
o the
> following mudra - aavaahani, samsthaapani, sannidhaapani, sannirodh=
ini
> and avakunthana - during Praana Pratisthaapanaa. Of these five, I hav=
e
> found a source that describes the Aavaahani mudra. However, I am not
> =
able to find a way to learn the rest of the four.
>
> If anybody has any k=
now how of performing the remaining four Mudra,
> please do let me know. I =
really want to learn the meaning and
> performance of these Mudra.
>
> Man=
y thanks!
>
> With the blessings of Sri Vishnu,
> Reema.
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</HEAD>
Reema ji,</FONT></DIV>
>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>These mudras are really secondary. As I =
said in the
manual, do them if you know and don't worry otherwise. When an=
d if I make a
youtube video of Mahaganapathi homam that is fully consisten=
t with the manual, I
will show those mudras clearly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FO=
=3D2>You can find these and other mudras in the
following book (pages 508-=
520):</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>shrii vighneshvara stuti maMjarii</FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>puujaa-mantra-saparyaa-homa vibhaagaH</F=
ONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>caturtho bhaagaH</FONT></DIV>
<=
size=3D2>Publisher is:</FONT></DIV>
;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sri Vighneswara Venkateswar=
a Trust</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>283, T.T.K. Salai, Ch=
ennai - 600 018</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>First edition=
2000</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best
----------------------------------------------------<BR>Do
a Short Homam Y=
ourself: <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam">http://www.Vedic=
Astrologer.org/homam</A><BR>Do
href=3D"http:/=
/www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana</A=
><BR>Spirituality:
<A
Jyotish lessons (M=
P3): <A
href=3D"http://ww=
Jagannath=
---------------
<BR> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-=
-- In <A
href=3D"mailto:sohamsa@yahoogroups.com">sohamsa@yahoogroups.com</=
A>, "Reema Patel
Sriganesh" <reema_sriganesh@...> wrote:<BR>><BR>=
> || Hare Rama
Krushna ||<BR>> <BR>> Namaskaar,<BR>> <BR>> =
The Homam Manuals
uploaded by Narasimha Ji suggests that we do the<BR>>=
following mudra -
aavaahani, samsthaapani, sannidhaapani, sannirodhini<BR=
>> and avakunthana -
during Praana Pratisthaapanaa. Of these five, I ha=
ve<BR>> found a source that
describes the Aavaahani mudra. However, I a=
m not<BR>> able to find a way to
learn the rest of the four.<BR>> <B=
R>> If anybody has any know how of
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want to learn the meaning and<BR>=
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Date: Saturday, 18 October, 2008, 5:05 PM
Namaste!
The source is men=

tioned below:

Sarve Santu Niraamayah,
Sarve Bhadr=
aani Pashyantu,
Om Shanthi Shanthi Shanthi.
Ma=
y all be happy;
May all look for well-being of =
others;
=E2=80=94 Brihadaaranyaka Upanis=

had 1.4.14
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -=
Ayam nijah parovetthi gananam laghu-chetasaam|

Udaar charitanam tu vasudh=
aiva kutumbakam|| "
"Myself, this is mine, that is yours is a petty way (S=

mall mindness)
of people in seeing reality; for those with noble conscious=
ness
(Udarcharit) , the whole world is a family.
=E2=80=94 Maha Upanishad=

, Fifth Chapter / Verse 71
yours,
utpal
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wrote:
>
> Dear Members
>
> I have =
heard the two following verses from various sources and
they
> are quite =
famous too!
>
> "Sarve bhavantu sukhina, sarve santu niramaya,
> sarve bha=
drani pashayantu, maa kashchid-dukhabhavb haveta!"
>
> And Vasudiva Kutum=
vakam
>
> Which scriptures mention these two verses, can someone please
=
provide
> me the names?
>
> -Regards
> Rajarshi
>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>=
Many many thanks for your reply. This is indeed what I was searching for.</=
DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV> Rajarshi<BR><BR></DIV=
>
<DIV><EM><STRONG>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE=
: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This above all: to thine own se=
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On <B>Sat, 18/10/08, utpal pathak <I><vedic_pathak@...></I></B>=
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDE=
R-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@yahoo=
.com><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Scriptural reference<BR>To: vedic-w=
isdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Saturday, 18 October, 2008, 5:05 PM<BR><BR>
=
<DIV id=3Dyiv1006993980>
<DIV>Namaste!<BR><BR>The sour=
ce is mentioned below:<BR><BR>Sarve Bhavantu Sukhinah,<BR>Sarve Santu Niraa=
mayah,<BR>Sarve Bhadraani Pashyantu,<BR>Maa Kaschid Dukha Mapnuyat.<BR>Om S=
hanthi Shanthi Shanthi.<BR><BR>May all be happy;<BR>May all be without dise=
ase;<BR>May all look for well-being of others;<BR>May none have misery of a=
ny sort.<BR><BR>=E2=80=94 Brihadaaranyaka Upanishad 1.4.14<BR>------------ =
--------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -<BR><BR>Ayam nijah parov=
etthi gananam laghu-chetasaam|<BR>Udaar charitanam tu vasudhaiva kutumbakam=
|| "<BR><BR>"Myself, this is mine, that is yours is a petty way (Small mind=
ness) <BR>of people in seeing reality; for those with noble consciousness <=
BR>(Udarcharit) , the whole world is a family.<BR><BR>=E2=80=94 Maha Upanis=
had, Fifth Chapter / Verse 71<BR><BR>yours,<BR><BR>utpal<BR><BR>--- In <A h=
ref=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollo=
w>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>, "rajarshi14"
<rajarshi14@ ...>=
<BR>wrote:<BR>><BR>> Dear Members<BR>> <BR>> I have heard the =
two following verses from various sources and <BR>they <BR>> are quite f=
amous too!<BR>> <BR>> "Sarve bhavantu sukhina, sarve santu niramaya,<=
BR>> sarve bhadrani pashayantu, maa kashchid-dukhabhavb haveta!" <BR>>=
; <BR>> And Vasudiva Kutumvakam <BR>> <BR>> Which scriptures menti=
on these two verses, can someone please <BR>provide <BR>> me the names?<=
BR>> <BR>> -Regards<BR>> Rajarshi<BR>><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV=
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Dear Narsimhaji,
1. I had arranged one Shatchandi Homam at Ambica Temple in=
2003 wherein
Acharya of the Homam read 108 Saptashati Stotra path within =
9 days
arranging 3 Brahmins at the temple and on the 10th day a Homam was =
arranged with 9 Brahmins like Navchandi Homam. This way he read 108
Sapta=
shati Stotra Path (Pathatmaka)and last Homam with 9 Homatmaka.
After some t=
ime one Acharya told me that this was not Shatchandi Homam.
Actually in Sh=
atchandi there should be 108 Brahmins at a time and 108
Yagna-kundas shoul=
d be created.
Sir, what is the right procedure for Shatchandi Homam?
2. Do=
you refer anybody in South India whom I can call to Gujarat to do
this ty=
pe of big Homam? This is because in this present time such
learned Acharya=
s are rare. Most of the Brahmins are doing path
stereotype without any lov=
e or devotion here. I have seen some good
pronounces in South Indians.
Dr.=
Ashwin Rawal
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Namaste,
(1) When we performed Shata Chandi homam which triggered the homam movement,
we did 108 patha (reading) and 10 homas. The is what they do traditionally.
However, according to my guru also, a true shata chandi homam involves doing
108 Chandi homas (108 priests doing once each or 12 priests doing 9 times
each or 6 priests doing 18 times each etc).
Whatever name we use for it, chanting 108 times and doing 9 or 10 or 11
homas is also a very good thing. But doing in the fire is more powerful than
chanting.
(2) Pronunciation is important. But love, devotion, humility and surrender

to the deity are as important if not more important.
Swami Sathasivom (http://www.swamisathasivom.org/), the head priest of

Kalikambal temple in Chennai, is a rare priest I have seen. His surrender to
Kaali, his disinterest in material things, his ability to see the Real
without being deluded by what is on the surface, the sincerity with which he
does his poojas and homas, the way he works hard for others at the cost of
his own health (without any expectations and with just love for all), his
lack of ego and the childlike simplicity and innocence he has are
unimaginable in today's age. He is a combination of a priest, a bhakta and a
yogi, a class of people who were once common but fast disappearing in this
age!
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 10:21 AM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Shatchandi Yagna (Homam)
> Dear Narsimhaji,

> 1. I had arranged one Shatchandi Homam at Ambica Temple in 2003 wherein
> Acharya of the Homam read 108 Saptashati Stotra path within 9 days
> arranging 3 Brahmins at the temple and on the 10th day a Homam was
> arranged with 9 Brahmins like Navchandi Homam. This way he read 108
> Saptashati Stotra Path (Pathatmaka)and last Homam with 9 Homatmaka.
> After some time one Acharya told me that this was not Shatchandi Homam.
> Actually in Shatchandi there should be 108 Brahmins at a time and 108
> Yagna-kundas should be created.
> Sir, what is the right procedure for Shatchandi Homam?
> 2. Do you refer anybody in South India whom I can call to Gujarat to do
> this type of big Homam? This is because in this present time such
> learned Acharyas are rare. Most of the Brahmins are doing path
> stereotype without any love or devotion here. I have seen some good
> pronounces in South Indians.
> Dr. Ashwin Rawal
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Maha Upanishad chapter 5 verse 71 is given as follows..
=
=C2=A0
"=E2=80=98Experience lived through Knowledgeably alone proves satisf=
actory. The thief recognised and befriended is no longer a thief but turns =
out to be a friend."..
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http://www.celextel.org/108upanishads/maha.ht=
ml?page=3D3
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Also the brihararaynaka upanishad 1.4.14 contains a diff=
erent verse.
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Can you please check if I am making a mistake or is the=
re some other verse in these upanishads which mention these prayers..
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self be true!" - Hamlet
--- On Sat, 18/10/08, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@=

yahoo.com> wrote:

Subject: [ve=
dic-wisdom] Re: Scriptural reference
Date:=
Saturday, 18 October, 2008, 5:05 PM
Namaste!
The source is mentione=

d below:

Sarve Bhadraani =
Pashyantu,
May all=
be happy;
May all look for well-being of other=
s;
=E2=80=94 Brihadaaranyaka Upanishad 1=

.4.14
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
Aya=
m nijah parovetthi gananam laghu-chetasaam|
Udaar charitanam tu vasudhaiva =
kutumbakam|| "
"Myself, this is mine, that is yours is a petty way (Small =

mindness)
of people in seeing reality; for those with noble consciousness =
(Udarcharit) , the whole world is a family.
=E2=80=94 Maha Upanishad, Fif=

th Chapter / Verse 71
yours,
utpal
--- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com=

, "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Members
>
> I have heard=
the two following verses from various sources and
they
> are quite famou=
s too!
>
> "Sarve bhavantu sukhina, sarve santu niramaya,
> sarve bhadrani=
pashayantu, maa kashchid-dukhabhavb haveta!"
>
> And Vasudiva Kutumvakam=
>
> Which scriptures mention these two verses, can someone please
provi=
de
> me the names?
>
> -Regards
> Rajarshi
>
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Dear Upal</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>M=
aha Upanishad chapter 5 verse 71 is given as follows..</DIV>
<DIV> </D=
IV>
<DIV>"=E2=80=98Experience lived through Knowledgeably alone proves sati=
sfactory. The thief recognised and befriended is no longer a thief but turn=
s out to be a friend."..</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://www=
.celextel.org/108upanishads/maha.html?page=3D3">http://www.celextel.org/108=
upanishads/maha.html?page=3D3</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Also the bri=
hararaynaka upanishad 1.4.14 contains a different verse.</DIV>
<DIV> <=
/DIV>
<DIV>Can you please check if I am making a mistake or is there some o=
ther verse in these upanishads which mention these prayers..</DIV>
<DIV>&nb=
sp;</DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<=
DIV><BR><BR><BR> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><STRO=
NG><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This=
above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STR=
ONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 18/10/08, utpal pathak <I><vedic_p=
athak@...></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5=
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: utpal pa=
thak <vedic_pathak@...><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Scriptur=
al reference<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Saturday, 18 Octo=
ber, 2008, 5:05 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv1038941070>
<D=
IV>Namaste!<BR><BR>The source is mentioned below:<BR><BR>Sarve Bhavantu Suk=
hinah,<BR>Sarve Santu Niraamayah,<BR>Sarve Bhadraani Pashyantu,<BR>Maa Kasc=
hid Dukha Mapnuyat.<BR>Om Shanthi Shanthi Shanthi.<BR><BR>May all be happy;=
<BR>May all be without disease;<BR>May all look for well-being of others;<B=
R>May none have misery of any sort.<BR><BR>=E2=80=94 Brihadaaranyaka Upanis=
had 1.4.14<BR>------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------=
- -<BR><BR>Ayam nijah parovetthi gananam laghu-chetasaam|<BR>Udaar charitan=
am tu vasudhaiva kutumbakam|| "<BR><BR>"Myself, this is mine, that is yours=
is a petty way (Small mindness) <BR>of people in seeing reality; for those=
with noble consciousness <BR>(Udarcharit) , the whole world is a family.<B=
R><BR>=E2=80=94 Maha Upanishad, Fifth Chapter / Verse 71<BR><BR>yours,<BR><=
BR>utpal<BR><BR>--- In <A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" ta=
rget=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>, "rajarshi1=
4"
<rajarshi14@ ...> <BR>wrote:<BR>><BR>> Dear Members<BR>>=
<BR>> I have heard the two following verses from various sources and <B=
R>they <BR>> are quite famous too!<BR>> <BR>> "Sarve bhavantu sukh=
ina, sarve santu niramaya,<BR>> sarve bhadrani pashayantu, maa kashchid-=
dukhabhavb haveta!" <BR>> <BR>> And Vasudiva Kutumvakam <BR>> <BR>=
> Which scriptures mention these two verses, can someone please <BR>prov=
ide <BR>> me the names?<BR>> <BR>> -Regards<BR>> Rajarshi<BR>&g=
t;<BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table><br>Send free SM=
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Can someone please tell me which scripture=
s mention these prayers:
=C2=A0
Lokasamasta sukhina bhavantu
=C2=A0
And
=
=C2=A0
Sarvesham swastir bhavantu
sarvesham shantir bhavantu
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s
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=
--- On Sat, 18/10/08, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@...> wrote:
From: u=
tpal pathak <vedic_pathak@...>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Scriptural=
reference
Date: Saturday, 18 October, 200=
8, 5:05 PM
Namaste!
The source is mentioned below:
Sarve Bhavantu S=
ukhinah,
Sarve Bhadraani Pashyantu,
Maa Kaschid Duk=
ha Mapnuyat.
May all be happy;

May all be with=
out disease;
May all look for well-being of others;
May none have misery of=
any sort.
=E2=80=94 Brihadaaranyaka Upanishad 1.4.14

------------ -------=
-- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
Ayam nijah parovetthi gananam=

laghu-chetasaam|
Udaar charitanam tu vasudhaiva kutumbakam|| "
"Myself, t=
his is mine, that is yours is a petty way (Small mindness)
of people in se=
eing reality; for those with noble consciousness
(Udarcharit) , the whole =
world is a family.
=E2=80=94 Maha Upanishad, Fifth Chapter / Verse 71
you=
rs,
utpal
--- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14=

@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Members
>
> I have heard the two following verses =
from various sources and
they
> are quite famous too!
>
> "Sarve bhavant=
u sukhina, sarve santu niramaya,
> sarve bhadrani pashayantu, maa kashchid-=
dukhabhavb haveta!"
>
> And Vasudiva Kutumvakam
>
> Which scriptures me=
ntion these two verses, can someone please
provide
> me the names?
>
> -=
Regards
> Rajarshi
>
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e from your Yahoo! Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger.yahoo.com/down=
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>To Utpal and Everone else</DIV>
<DIV>&nb=
sp;</DIV>
<DIV>Can someone please tell me which scriptures mention these pr=
ayers:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Lokasamasta sukhina bhavantu</DIV>
<DIV=
> </DIV>
<DIV>And </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sarvesham swastir bhav=
antu</DIV>
<DIV>sarvesham shantir bhavantu</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-Re=
gards</DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG>
<DIV class=
=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMI=
LY: Verdana">"This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet</SPAN></=
STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 18/10/08, utpal pat=
hak <I><vedic_pathak@...></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=
=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px so=
lid">From: utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@...><BR>Subject: [vedic-w=
isdom] Re: Scriptural reference<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date=
: Saturday, 18 October, 2008, 5:05 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv785238071>
<DIV =
id=3Dygrp-text>
<DIV>Namaste!<BR><BR>The source is mentioned below:<BR><BR>=
Sarve Bhavantu Sukhinah,<BR>Sarve Santu Niraamayah,<BR>Sarve Bhadraani Pash=
yantu,<BR>Maa Kaschid Dukha Mapnuyat.<BR>Om Shanthi Shanthi Shanthi.<BR><BR=
>May all be happy;<BR>May all be without disease;<BR>May all look for well-=
being of others;<BR>May none have misery of any sort.<BR><BR>=E2=80=94 Brih=
adaaranyaka Upanishad 1.4.14<BR>------------ --------- --------- --------- =
--------- --------- -<BR><BR>Ayam nijah parovetthi gananam laghu-chetasaam|=
<BR>Udaar charitanam tu vasudhaiva kutumbakam|| "<BR><BR>"Myself, this is m=
ine, that is yours is a petty way (Small mindness) <BR>of people in seeing =
reality; for those with noble consciousness <BR>(Udarcharit) , the whole wo=
rld is a family.<BR><BR>=E2=80=94 Maha Upanishad, Fifth Chapter / Verse 71<=
BR><BR>yours,<BR><BR>utpal<BR><BR>--- In <A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40y=
ahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. c=
om</A>, "rajarshi14"
<rajarshi14@ ...> <BR>wrote:<BR>><BR>> De=
ar Members<BR>> <BR>> I have heard the two following verses from vari=
ous sources and <BR>they <BR>> are quite famous too!<BR>> <BR>> "S=
arve bhavantu sukhina, sarve santu niramaya,<BR>> sarve bhadrani pashaya=
ntu, maa kashchid-dukhabhavb haveta!" <BR>> <BR>> And Vasudiva Kutumv=
akam <BR>> <BR>> Which scriptures mention these two verses, can someo=
ne please <BR>provide <BR>> me the names?<BR>> <BR>> -Regards<BR>&=
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Namaste Rajarshi,
Mahaopnishad in PDF file is uploade in the file section =

and it has
the shloka in ch5, verse no.71.
About "Sarve bhavantu...", i n=

eed to varify.
best regards
utpal
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, r=
ajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Upal
> =C2=A0
> Maha Upanis=
had chapter 5 verse 71 is given as follows..
> =C2=A0
> "=E2=80=98Experienc=
e lived through Knowledgeably alone proves
satisfactory. The thief recogni=
sed and befriended is no longer a
thief but turns out to be a friend."..
>=
=C2=A0
> http://www.celextel.org/108upanishads/maha.html?page=3D3
> =C2=A0=
> Also the brihararaynaka upanishad 1.4.14 contains a different

verse.
> =
=C2=A0
> Can you please check if I am making a mistake or is there some
ot=
her verse in these upanishads which mention these prayers..
> =C2=A0
> -Reg=
ards
> =C2=A0Rajarshi
> =C2=A0
>
>
>
> =C2=A0
>
> "This above all: to t=
hine own self be true!" - Hamlet
>
> --- On Sat, 18/10/08, utpal pathak <v=
edic_pathak@...> wrote:
>
> From: utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@...>
> Subjec=
t: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Scriptural reference
> To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.c=
om
> Date: Saturday, 18 October, 2008, 5:05 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Namaste!=
>
> The source is mentioned below:
>
> Sarve Bhavantu Sukhinah,
> Sarve =
Santu Niraamayah,
> Sarve Bhadraani Pashyantu,
> Maa Kaschid Dukha Mapnuyat=
.
> Om Shanthi Shanthi Shanthi.
>
> May all be happy;
> May all be without=
disease;
> May all look for well-being of others;
> May none have misery o=
f any sort.
>
> =E2=80" Brihadaaranyaka Upanishad 1.4.14
> ------------ --=
------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
>
> Ayam nijah parovetth=
i gananam laghu-chetasaam|
> Udaar charitanam tu vasudhaiva kutumbakam|| "
=
>
> "Myself, this is mine, that is yours is a petty way (Small
mindness) =
> of people in seeing reality; for those with noble consciousness

> (Udar=
charit) , the whole world is a family.
>
> =E2=80" Maha Upanishad, Fifth C=
hapter / Verse 71
>
> yours,
>
> utpal
>
> --- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogro=
ups. com, "rajarshi14"
<rajarshi14@ ...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Members
> =
>
> > I have heard the two following verses from various sources and
> th=
ey
> > are quite famous too!
> >
> > "Sarve bhavantu sukhina, sarve santu=
niramaya,
> > sarve bhadrani pashayantu, maa kashchid-dukhabhavb haveta!" =
> >
> > And Vasudiva Kutumvakam
> >
> > Which scriptures mention these =
two verses, can someone please
> provide
> > me the names?
> >
> > -Rega=
rds
> > Rajarshi
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Send f=
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Greetings
Is there any guideline for days in week coorelating to do homa f=

or a
particular god/goddess.
Also the time of the day too.
Diwali is com=
ing in a couple of days, any recommendations for homam
along with auspiciou=
s time, anyone?
Best Regards
Mitesh
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Namaste,
It is far better to stick to one deity and one homam and do it every
day/week/fortnight/month for a duration of time. It is a bad idea to do a
different homam everyday.
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa used to say "if you want, dig deep in one place.
Don't dig one foot in one place, another foot in another place and so on".
Pick one deity and one homam and do it continuously for a few months
atleast. It will do something then.
Amavasya is good for worshipping Kaali or Mahalakshmi. Especially

Deepavali/Diwali is a great day to worship Mahalakshmi. So Her homam is a
good idea.
Best regards,
Narasimha

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Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Doing Homa
> Greetings
>
> Is there any guideline for days in week coorelating to do homa for a
> particular god/goddess.
> Also the time of the day too.
>
>
> Diwali is coming in a couple of days, any recommendations for homam
> along with auspicious time, anyone?
>
> Best Regards
> Mitesh
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Namaste friends,
In the next few weeks/months, I want to share with all my=

independent interpretations of the vedic mantras for nine planets.
Though=
I am mostly restricting my spiritual writings to vedic-wisdom yahoogroup t=
hese days and sparing astrology related yahoogroups, I am sending this to a=
strology yahoogroups also, as BPHS talks about these mantras in the chapter=
on graha shanti.
* * *
This mantra is a very popular mantr=

a for worshipping Surya (Sun god). It is used in Navagraha homam and navagr=
aha pooja as a part of Satya Narayana vratam. Parasara Maharshi (father of =
Veda Vyasa Maharshi) specified this mantra as a remedy for any problems rel=
ated to Sun in the horoscope (see "Brihat Paaraasara Horaa Saastram").
My =
interpretation may be different from what Sayana, Max Muller etc gave. Espe=
cially when it comes to the second line, most scholars have interpreted "ra=
tha" as chariot and alluded to Sun going around earth on a chariot. I have =
a different Vedantic take on it. I know some Sanskrit, but it is the inner =
inspiration given by Mother Mahalakshmi that enables to interpret.
May eru=
dite scholars ignore me if they find my interpretation faulty!
* * =
*
RigVeda 1.35.2
AkRîShNena rajasA vartamAno niveshayannamRîtaM =

martyaM ca |
hiraNyayena savitA rathenAdevo yAti bhuvanAni pashyan ||
vart=
amAnaH =3D existing (present)
rajasA =3D with the light [though rajas is on=
e of the three gunas, it also means light and energy]
AkRîShNa =3D extendi=
ng till (including) darkness
niveshayan =3D inhabiting/dwelling in/filling
=
amRîtaM =3D the imperishable [Brahman, the unmanifested potentiality]
mart=
yaM ca =3D and the perishable too [all the manifestations of Brahman in thi=
s universe perish]
savitA =3D the god Savita
hiraNyayena =3D with the pure/=
golden essence of Brahman
rathena =3D with desire/attachment [though ratha =
normally means a chariot/vehicle, it also means a desire. The word manorath=
a" (manah+ratha) comes from it. It means the desires and wishes of the hear=
t. I prefer this meaning here and not the normally taken "chariot".]
yAti =
=3D moves into
AdevaH =3D all beings including gods
pashyan =3D experiencin=
g [though pashyan basically means "watching", it also means considering, pe=
rceiving and experiencing]
bhuvanAni =3D all the worlds and the beings dwel=
ling in it
Meaning in Brief:
Existing with all the light and the darkness=

, dwelling in the imperishable Brahman as well as the perishable creation, =
Savita, with the pure essence of Brahman and with the desire that causes mo=
vement in it (and results in creation), moves into all beings including the=
gods and experiences through them all the worlds and the beings of this di=
verse creation.
Detailed Commentary:
If you study carefully, this verse g=

ives the essence of Vedic philosophy. It contains the essence of great scri=
ptures such as "Yoga Vaasishtham" and "BhagavadGita", sooktas such as Purus=
ha Sooktam and Narayana Sooktam and hymns such as Ganapathi Atharva Seersha=
m. It is a very important hymn.
Savita is the highest form of Surya. He is=

basically the supreme cosmic being. He is Atman, the pure spirit that fill=
s the entire universe - the creation as well as the uncreated. He is the pu=
re light behind all the light and darkness that we see. Good and bad, gods =
and demons, pleasure and pain, all such dualities are but different manifes=
tations of the same Brahman. The ONE Brahman manifests as the duality and d=
iverse beings.
The one Atman, which is but pure light, manifests as dualit=

y - as light and darkness - and fills the entire universe. Savita dwells in=
Brahman as well as the entire perishable creation. Everything that has man=
ifested has to perish. Savita dwells in all - in the imperishable Brahman a=
s well as the perishable manifestations of Brahman (various worlds, gods, d=
emons and other beings).
The ONE pure light of Savita manifests as DIVERSE=

objects ranging all the way from pure light to darkness and fills all bein=
gs. With the pure and untaintable essence of Brahman and the movement cause=
d in Brahman due to desire, Savita enters all the beings including gods. In=
other words, all the beings are created from Brahman and the desire/moveme=
nt in Brahman.
Vedanta teaches that Brahman is unmanifested pure conscious=

ness. A part of Brahman causes movement in Brahman, which becomes a desire =
and gets fulfilled immediately. This results in the creation of various bei=
ngs. The word "ratha" refers to this. The pure essence of Brahman (hiraNyay=
a) as well as the desire that caused a movement of thought in Brahman (rath=
a) enter all beings. Savita enters all being as Shiva as well as Shakti!
W=
hen all the desires come to a halt and the movement of mind stops, all bein=
gs can experience the pure essence of Brahman that has entered them (i.e. s=
at-chid-ananda). When the desire is there, there are thoughts and movement =
of mind and the beings do not experience the pure essence of Brahman that h=
as entered them.
The hymn says that the pure essence of Brahman (Shiva) an=
d the desire that causes movement of thought (Shakti) are both aspects of O=
NE Savita only.
Savita enters all the beings with the pure essence and the=
desire/thought and experiences the worlds and beings through them. If a pe=
rson called "Narasimha Rao" exists, it is actually Savita who exists throug=
h him. If a person called "Narasimha Rao" experiences the entire world - va=
rious worlds and beings in those worlds - it is actually Savita who has ent=
ered him that experiences the entire world through him!! All his thoughts, =
experiences and actions are actually those of Savita - the in-dwelling spir=
it.
This is the same as what Ganapathi Atharva Seersham means by "tvameva =

kevalam kartAsi...". This is the same as what Krishna means when he tells A=
rjuna in BhagavadGita that it is Krishna who acts through various beings an=
d that the beings should not be deluded to think that they are doing things=
.
Savita in this hymn is represented as the same supreme cosmic being that=
is referred in various other Vedic scriptures!
Most authorities have inte=

rpreted the second line to mean that Sun goes on a chariot and watches the =
entire world. That is a gross interpretation and misses the subtle and deep=
er meaning.
In fact, when Atman goes on the chariot (ratha) of desire (rat=

ha), it moves and sees the diverse creation. When the chariot (ratha) stops=
, then the desire (ratha) stops and there is no movement of thought. No lon=
ger a diverse creation is perceived and there is only bliss of true being (=
sat-chid-ananda). Thus, even the gross chaiot interpretation is a metaphor =
for the subtle interpretation given above!
This hymn is very important as =

it covers several important Vedantic concepts:
(1) The supreme cosmic bein=

g is one, but assumes duality.
(2) The supreme cosmic being enters all the =
beings with the duality.
(3) The supreme cosmic being experiences through a=
ll the beings.
(4) The pure essence of supreme cosmic being enters all the =
beings and helps them experience sat-chid-ananda.
(5) The desire (movement =
of thought) in the supreme cosmic being enters all the beings and results i=
n movement of thought within them and diverse world experiences.
Best reg=
ards,
Narasimha
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Namaste friends,</FONT></=
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>In the next few weeks/months, I want to share with
all m=
y independent interpretations of the vedic mantras for nine
planets.</FONT=
></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
e=3DArial size=3D2>Though I am mostly restricting my spiritual
writings to=
vedic-wisdom yahoogroup these days and sparing astrology
related yah=
oogroups, I am sending this to astrology yahoogroups also, as BPHS
talks a=
bout these mantras in the chapter on graha shanti.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
*
* =
; *<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This mant=
ra is a very popular mantra for
worshipping Surya (Sun god). It is used in=
Navagraha homam and navagraha pooja
as a part of Satya Narayana vratam. P=
arasara Maharshi (father of Veda Vyasa
Maharshi) specified this mantra as =
a remedy for any problems related to Sun in
the horoscope (see "Brihat Paa=
raasara Horaa Saastram").<BR><BR>My interpretation
may be different from w=
hat Sayana, Max Muller etc gave. Especially when it comes
to the second li=
ne, most scholars have interpreted "ratha" as chariot and
alluded to Sun g=
oing around earth on a chariot. I have a different Vedantic take
on it. I =
know some Sanskrit, but it is the inner inspiration given by Mother
Mahala=
kshmi that enables to interpret.<BR><BR>May erudite scholars ignore me if
=
they find my interpretation
faulty!<BR><BR>* =

* *<BR><BR><STRONG>=
RigVeda
1.35.2<BR><BR>AkRîShNena rajasA vartamAno niveshayannamRîtaM mar=
tyaM ca
|<BR>hiraNyayena savitA rathenAdevo yAti bhuvanAni pashyan
||<BR>=
</STRONG><BR>vartamAnaH =3D existing (present)<BR>rajasA =3D with the light=
[though rajas is one of the three gunas, it also means light and
energy]=
<BR>AkRîShNa =3D extending till (including) darkness<BR>niveshayan =3D
in=
habiting/dwelling in/filling</FONT></DIV>
amRîtaM =3D the imperishable [Brahman, the
unmanifested potentiality]<BR>=
martyaM ca =3D and the perishable too [all the
manifestations of Brahman i=
n this universe perish]<BR>savitA =3D the god
Savita<BR>hiraNyayena =3D wi=
th the pure/golden essence of Brahman<BR>rathena =3D
with desire/attachmen=
t [though ratha normally means a chariot/vehicle, it also
means a desire. =
The word manoratha" (manah+ratha) comes from it. It means the
desires and =
wishes of the heart. I prefer this meaning here and not the normally
taken=
"chariot".]<BR>yAti =3D moves into<BR>AdevaH =3D all beings including
god=
s<BR>pashyan =3D experiencing [though pashyan basically means "watching", i=
t
also means considering, perceiving and experiencing]<BR>bhuvanAni =3D al=
l the
worlds and the beings dwelling in it<BR><BR><STRONG>Meaning in
Brie=
f:<BR></STRONG><BR>Existing with all the light and the darkness, dwelling i=
n
the imperishable Brahman as well as the perishable creation, Savita, wit=
h the
pure essence of Brahman and with the desire that causes movement in =
it (and
results in creation), moves into all beings including the gods and=
experiences
through them all the worlds and the beings of this diverse
c=
reation.<BR><BR><STRONG>Detailed Commentary:<BR></STRONG><BR>If you study
=
carefully, this verse gives the essence of Vedic philosophy. It contains th=
e
essence of great scriptures such as "Yoga Vaasishtham" and "BhagavadGita=
",
sooktas such as Purusha Sooktam and Narayana Sooktam and hymns such as =
Ganapathi
Atharva Seersham. It is a very important hymn.<BR><BR>Savita is =
the highest form
of Surya. He is basically the supreme cosmic being. He is=
Atman, the pure spirit
that fills the entire universe - the creation as w=
ell as the uncreated. He is
the pure light behind all the light and darkne=
ss that we see. Good and bad, gods
and demons, pleasure and pain, all such=
dualities are but different
manifestations of the same Brahman. The ONE B=
rahman manifests as the duality and
diverse beings.<BR><BR>The one Atman, =
which is but pure light, manifests as
duality - as light and darkness - an=
d fills the entire universe. Savita dwells
in Brahman as well as the entir=
e perishable creation. Everything that has
manifested has to perish. Savit=
a dwells in all - in the imperishable Brahman as
well as the perishable ma=
nifestations of Brahman (various worlds, gods, demons
and other beings).<B=
R><BR>The ONE pure light of Savita manifests as DIVERSE
objects ranging al=
l the way from pure light to darkness and fills all beings.
With the pure =
and untaintable essence of Brahman and the movement caused in
Brahman due =
to desire, Savita enters all the beings including gods. In other
words, al=
l the beings are created from Brahman and the desire/movement in
Brahman.<=
BR><BR>Vedanta teaches that Brahman is unmanifested pure consciousness.
A =
part of Brahman causes movement in Brahman, which becomes a desire and gets=
fulfilled immediately. This results in the creation of various beings. Th=

e word
"ratha" refers to this. The pure essence of Brahman (hiraNyaya) as =
well as the
desire that caused a movement of thought in Brahman (ratha) en=
ter all beings.
Savita enters all being as Shiva as well as Shakti!<BR><BR=
>When all the desires
come to a halt and the movement of mind stops, all b=
eings can experience the
pure essence of Brahman that has entered them (i.=
e. sat-chid-ananda). When the
desire is there, there are thoughts and move=
ment of mind and the beings do not
experience the pure essence of Brahman =
that has entered them.<BR><BR>The hymn
says that the pure essence of Brahm=
an (Shiva) and the desire that causes
movement of thought (Shakti) are bot=
h aspects of ONE Savita only.<BR><BR>Savita
enters all the beings with the=
pure essence and the desire/thought and
experiences the worlds and beings=
through them. If a person called "Narasimha
Rao" exists, it is actually S=
avita who exists through him. If a person called
"Narasimha Rao" experienc=
es the entire world - various worlds and beings in
those worlds - it is ac=
tually Savita who has entered him that experiences the
entire world throug=
h him!! All his thoughts, experiences and actions are
actually those of Sa=
vita - the in-dwelling spirit.<BR><BR>This is the same as
what Ganapathi A=
tharva Seersham means by "tvameva kevalam kartAsi...". This is
the same as=
what Krishna means when he tells Arjuna in BhagavadGita that it is
Krishn=
a who acts through various beings and that the beings should not be
delude=
d to think that they are doing things.<BR><BR>Savita in this hymn is
repre=
sented as the same supreme cosmic being that is referred in various other
=
Vedic scriptures!<BR><BR>Most authorities have interpreted the second line =
to
mean that Sun goes on a chariot and watches the entire world. That is a=
gross
interpretation and misses the subtle and deeper meaning.<BR><BR>In =
fact, when
Atman goes on the chariot (ratha) of desire (ratha), it moves a=
nd sees the
diverse creation. When the chariot (ratha) stops, then the des=
ire (ratha) stops
and there is no movement of thought. No longer a diverse=
creation is perceived
and there is only bliss of true being (sat-chid-ana=
nda). Thus, even the gross
chaiot interpretation is a metaphor for the sub=
tle interpretation given
above!<BR><BR>This hymn is very important as it c=
overs several important
Vedantic concepts:<BR><BR>(1) The supreme cosmic b=
eing is one, but assumes
duality.<BR>(2) The supreme cosmic being enters a=
ll the beings with the
duality.<BR>(3) The supreme cosmic being experience=
s through all the
beings.<BR>(4) The pure essence of supreme cosmic being =
enters all the beings
and helps them experience sat-chid-ananda.<BR>(5) Th=
e desire (movement of
thought) in the supreme cosmic being enters all the =
beings and results in
movement of thought within them and diverse world
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namskar Narsimha ji
any special time or mahurta to do Homam for mata maha=

luxmi...
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>
> Namaste,
>
> It is far better to stick to one dei=
ty and one homam and do it every
> day/week/fortnight/month for a duration =
of time. It is a bad idea to
do a
> different homam everyday.
>
> Ramakrish=
na Paramahamsa used to say "if you want, dig deep in one
place.
> Don't dig=
one foot in one place, another foot in another place and so
on".
>
> Pick =
one deity and one homam and do it continuously for a few months
> atleast. =
It will do something then.
>
> Amavasya is good for worshipping Kaali or Ma=
halakshmi. Especially
> Deepavali/Diwali is a great day to worship Mahalaks=
hmi. So Her homam
is a
> good idea.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
>
> -----=
> From: "m540i98" m540i98@...
> To: vedic-wisdom@ya=
hoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:31 PM
> Subject: [vedic-wi=
sdom] Doing Homa
>
>
> > Greetings
> >
> > Is there any guideline for days =
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> > particular god/goddess.
> > Also t=
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> >
> >
> > Diwali is coming in a couple of days, a=
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> > along with auspicious time, anyone?
> >
> =
> Best Regards
> > Mitesh
>
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cultur=
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or foreigners, have failed to read correctly into
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de acclamation from the netizens, but also recently
started a group on Vedi=
c history.
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vors to read into the currently available Vedas and
make the reading a comm=
entary on the historical, cultural and
How=
ever, in Vedic history, instead of projecting my views, I like
more learned=
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y/ join
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wide<BR>scriptural literature. They are the oldest of the world
scriptures.<BR><BR>Vedas, literally meaning the (true) knowledge, are not only
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and<BR>aptitudes, but also are a storehouse of sociological<BR>processes,
historical events and verily, the<BR>cultural thread of the Indian subcontinent.
However, most of us,<BR>whether Indians or foreigners, have failed to read
correctly into<BR>these great literature.<BR><BR>In an attempt to understand these
super scriptures, I have not only<BR>created web pages <A
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history.<BR><BR><A href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedichistory" target=_blank
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endeavors to read into the currently available Vedas and<BR>make the reading a
commentary on the historical, cultural and<BR>spiritual saga of ancient
India<BR><BR>However, in Vedic history, instead of projecting my views, I
like<BR>more learned and the commoners alike to join and exchange views.<BR><BR>I
cordially invite every one of you, especially the spiritually<BR>elevated, to join
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unparal=
leled not only in Hinduism, but also in the world wide
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he (true) knowledge, are not only the
epitomes of philosophical, spiritual =
and religious vision, dogmas and
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have had a wide acclamatio=
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into the currently available Vedas and
make the reading a commentary on the=
historical, cultural and
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c history, instead of projecting my views, I like
more learned and the comm=
oners alike to join and exchange views.
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<P>The group of "Vedichistory" endeavors to be a professional forum on<BR>indology
and Vedic history on one hand and a meeting place of like<BR>minds, exchanging
their views here,on the other.<BR><BR>groups.yahoo. com/group/ vedichistory/ join
<BR><BR>The supreme spiritual antenna of Indian thought, Vedas have a
place<BR>unparalleled not only in Hinduism, but also in the world
wide<BR>scriptural literature. They are the oldest of the world
scriptures.<BR><BR>Vedas, literally meaning the (true) knowledge, are not only
the<BR>epitomes of philosophical, spiritual and religious vision, dogmas
and<BR>aptitudes, but also are a storehouse of sociological<BR>processes,
historical events and verily, the<BR>cultural thread of the Indian subcontinent.
However, most of us,<BR>whether Indians or foreigners, have failed to read
correctly into<BR>these great literature.<BR><BR>In an attempt to understand these
super scriptures, I have not only<BR>created web pages <A
href="http://www.geocities.com/siva_sai19/vedas," target=_blank
rel=nofollow>http://www.geocitie s.com/siva_ sai19/vedas,</A> which<BR>have had a
wide acclamation from the netizens, but also recently<BR>started a group on Vedic
history.<BR><BR><A href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedichistory" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedichisto ry</A><BR><BR>This group
endeavors to read into the currently available Vedas and<BR>make the reading a
commentary on the historical, cultural and<BR>spiritual saga of ancient
India<BR><BR>However, in Vedic history, instead of projecting my views, I
like<BR>more learned and the commoners alike to join and exchange views.<BR><BR>I
cordially invite every one of you, especially the spiritually<BR>elevated, to join
my group to make it a success and useful to others.<BR><BR>groups.yahoo. com/group/
vedichistory/ join <BR><BR>I hope you will join and actively participate in
this<BR>humble, yet noble
and holy, endeavor.<BR><BR>My other groups:<BR><A
href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientindia" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ancientind ia</A><BR><A
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Hello Rashmi
It seems here in east coast all the tithis start from

aftern=
oon to next afternoon, it is the case with Dhan Theras, Diwali
and also Kaa=
li Chaudas.
So I think one has to pick the morning time as early as after =

sunrise.
Becuase in the evening or night the thithi is already changed to =

next
day.
They say one needs to pick Sthir Lagna, I believe around 9:00 A=
M US
EST it is Vrishchik Lagna rising so it can be used too.
Hope this he=

lps, other learned people can share better window of time
Best Regards
Mit=
esh
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>
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>
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
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er 25, 2008 9:04:05 AM
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> RESPECTED=A0 GURUJI,
>
> I AM IN USA, & WHEN IS BEST TIME TO DO=
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>
> RASHMI
>
>
>
>
> __________________________=
______
> From: Kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09@ gmail.com>
> To: vedic-wi=
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 7:02:36 AM
> Subj=
ect: [vedic-wisdom] A group on Vedic history
>
>
> The group of "Vedichis=
tory" endeavors to be a professional forum on
> indology and Vedic history =
on one hand and a meeting place of like
> minds, exchanging their views her=
e,on the other.
>
> groups.yahoo. com/group/ vedichistory/ join
>
> The =
supreme spiritual antenna of Indian thought, Vedas have a place
> unparalle=
led not only in Hinduism, but also in the world wide
> scriptural literatur=
e. They are the oldest of the world scriptures.
>
> Vedas, literally meani=
ng the (true) knowledge, are not only the
> epitomes of philosophical, spir=
itual and religious vision, dogmas
and
> aptitudes, but also are a storeho=
use of sociological
> processes, historical events and verily, the
> cultur=
al thread of the Indian subcontinent. However, most of us,
> whether Indian=
s or foreigners, have failed to read correctly into
> these great literatur=
e.
>
> In an attempt to understand these super scriptures, I have not only=
> created web pages http://www.geocitie s.com/siva_ sai19/vedas, which
> h=
ave had a wide acclamation from the netizens, but also recently
> started a=
group on Vedic history.
>
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedichisto ry=
>
> This group endeavors to read into the currently available Vedas and
>=
make the reading a commentary on the historical, cultural and
> spiritual =
saga of ancient India
>
> However, in Vedic history, instead of projecting=
my views, I like
> more learned and the commoners alike to join and exchan=
ge views.
>
> I cordially invite every one of you, especially the spiritua=
lly
> elevated, to join my group to make it a success and useful to
others=
.
>
> groups.yahoo. com/group/ vedichistory/ join
>
> I hope you will jo=
in and actively participate in this
> humble, yet noble and holy, endeavor.=
>
> My other groups:
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/ancientind ia
> ht=
tp://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vedicastro logy-hyderabad
>
> Regards,
> Kis=
hore patnaik
>
> Kishorepatnaik09[ at]gmail. com
>

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Dear Narasmiha
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I was wondering, does doing homa for different deitie=
s have different kind of effects. Like if someone does a Mahaganapati Homa =
vs someone doing a Homa of Krishna for a considerable period of time, is th=
ere any set principle that defines what kind of progress or experiences eac=
h may undergo?
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I know that it may all depend on the specific persons=
karmas and mental makeup acquired over many lifetimes, but can there be a =
broad generalization done on this?
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above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet
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simha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrote:
From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@=

charter.net>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Doing Homa
To: vedic-wisdom@yahoog=
roups.com
Date: Saturday, 25 October, 2008, 9:56 AM
Namaste,
It is f=
ar better to stick to one deity and one homam and do it every
day/week/for=
tnight/ month for a duration of time. It is a bad idea to do a
different h=
omam everyday.
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa used to say "if you want, dig deep =

in one place.
Don't dig one foot in one place, another foot in another pla=
ce and so on".
Pick one deity and one homam and do it continuously for a f=

ew months
Amavasya is good for worshi=

pping Kaali or Mahalakshmi. Especially
Deepavali/Diwali is a great day to =
worship Mahalakshmi. So Her homam is a
good idea.
Best regards,
Narasimha=

From: "m540i98" <m540i98@yahoo. com>
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edic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com>
Subje=
ct: [vedic-wisdom] Doing Homa
> Greetings
>
> Is there any guideline for d=
ays in week coorelating to do homa for a
> Also t=
he time of the day too.
>
>
> Diwali is coming in a couple of days, any rec=
ommendations for homam
> along with auspicious time, anyone?
>
> Best Regar=
ds
> Mitesh
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Dear Narasmiha</DIV>
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DIV>I was wondering, does doing homa for different deities have different k=
ind of effects. Like if someone does a Mahaganapati Homa vs someone doing a=
Homa of Krishna for a considerable period of time, is there any set princi=
ple that defines what kind of progress or experiences each may undergo?</DI=
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I know that it may all depend on the specific per=
sons karmas and mental makeup acquired over many lifetimes, but can there b=
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<DIV>-Regard=
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R. Rao <I><pvr@...></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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m] Re: Doing Homa<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Saturday, 25=
October, 2008, 9:56 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Namaste,<BR><BR>It is far better to stick to one deity and one homam=
and do it every <BR>day/week/fortnight/ month for a duration of time. It i=
s a bad idea to do a <BR>different homam everyday.<BR><BR>Ramakrishna Param=
ahamsa used to say "if you want, dig deep in one place. <BR>Don't dig one f=
oot in one place, another foot in another place and so on".<BR><BR>Pick one=
deity and one homam and do it continuously for a few months <BR>atleast. I=
t will do something then.<BR><BR>Amavasya is good for worshipping Kaali or =
Mahalakshmi. Especially <BR>Deepavali/Diwali is a great day to worship Maha=
lakshmi. So Her homam is a <BR>good idea.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR>Narasimha=
<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "m540i98" <<A href=3D"mai=
lto:m540i98%40yahoo.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>m540i98@yahoo. com<=
/A>><BR>To: <<A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=
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iday,
October 24, 2008 3:31 PM<BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Doing Homa<BR><B=
R>> Greetings<BR>><BR>> Is there any guideline for days in week co=
orelating to do homa for a<BR>> particular god/goddess.<BR>> Also the=
time of the day too.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Diwali is coming in a couple =
of days, any recommendations for homam<BR>> along with auspicious time, =
anyone?<BR>><BR>> Best Regards<BR>> Mitesh<BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DI=
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As you know, detailed manuals giving short methods to pe=

rform Mahaganapathi homam, Chandi homam, Sri Krishna homam and Mahalakshmi =
homam are available on my website. Now Sani (Saturn) homam manual has been =
added to the collection.
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elief from troubles given by them. Sani (Saturn) gives many people physical=
sickness and mental worries. His worship in fire is very powerful for remo=
ving these obstacles so that one's material and spiritual lives can progres=
s smoothly.
Those who are troubled by Saturn in birth chart or in transit=

s or in dasas/antardasas may consider performing Sani homam for a few month=
s. Instead of doing it once, it is better to do it on a regular basis. It c=
an be done everyday or every Saturday (or some other weekday) or once every=
month etc. The procedure taught in the manual can easily be finished in 30=
-45 minutes. There is also a super-short procedure in the manual.
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s Saturday. Krishna Trayodasi came just a few hours back. This is a time Sa=
turn likes.
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Namaste,
My sincere apologies for not replying earlier. Was busy when you=
sent mail and forgot later. I am sending this to vedic-wisdom after deleti=
ng your name in the mail.
(1) The word rakshas means a guardian spirit. T=
he plural form is "rakshaamsi". For example, the dikpalaka (direction ruler=
) of the southwestern direction, Nirriti, is a demon. But he is fulfilling =
an important role. These guardians are clubbed with gods in tarpana.
(3) =
Nakshatra birthday is important for the matter of health and longevity. Sup=
pose you want to do a Mrityunjaya homam at the start of what you suspect wi=
ll be a bad year for health and longevity. Then use nakshatra birthday. Tit=
hi is important for overall sense of well-being and prosperity.
Both birt=
hdays are important. People advocate what they are used to. Both have their=
relevance.
(4) Using only one darbha is a problem. Whether you use 2 oe =

3 is not a big deal in my view. Do as you please. But it should be more tha=
n one or just skip darbhas.
(5) Yes, it is covering this janma also. But =

you are satisfying only the souls that are in need of satisfying by svadhaa=
, as indicated by the word svadhaayin. You need not worry about messing up =
anything with respect to those who are alive.
(6) Good suggestion. I will=

definitely try.
(7) Those who believe they can do a good translation are=

welcome to translate. Our effort has barely started. If She wants, She wil=
l send those who will do what is needed to spread this further. What I am d=
oing is just planting a few seeds as asked by my guru who in turn was comma=
nded by the Mother. Many more people will have to come and play their roles=
when the time comes, for this to become what the Mother said.
(8) It wil=
l. When you make offerings to Agni, Prajapati etc in the external fire, the=
internal fire (bhutagni) carries those to the Agni and Prajapati within. A=
s the identification with the external fire becomes stronger, bhutagni beco=
mes stronger and purifies more. But calling *some* deity in the fire and ma=
king some offerings is better than simple agnihotra.
(9) A by-birth brahm=

ana who wears a sacred thread but does not do any sadhana has no use for th=
e sacred thread. Someone of any caste, if he doing some spiritual sadhana, =
can benefit from wearing a sacred thread.
In fact, one who is interested =

in spiritual progress, doing Gayatri mantra everyday or doing homam on a re=
gular basis or doing some other sadhana, automatically becomes a brahmana a=
fter a while.
Sacred thread acts as a grounding wire in an electric circu=

it. Until energy starts flowing in the body when mantra is chanted, it has =
no use. Once energy starts flowing, it regulates the flow when worn to be i=
n touch with the spine.
If you are chanting Gayatri mantra and doing homa=

m, it is a good idea to wear a sacred thread.
(10) No view.
* * =
*
When I made homam manual, I had done homam many days in row, kne=
w several things about homam practically and had a good insight into it. Wh=
en I made the tarpana manual, I did not have much practical experience and =
insight. I was following my guru's command.
On the day I was to publish t=

he tarpana manual, I went to the Mahalakshmi idol next to my homa kundam an=
d prayed to Her, "O Mother, I am not really an authority on tarpana. But, w=
ith the intention of people benefiting from it, I made this manual as asked=
by my guru. Please bless this effort. I will perform a tarpana now strictl=
y following this document. Please give me a visible sign if you are blessin=
g this effort and giving a go ahead". I sat down to perform tarpana. The mo=
ment I called gods and rishis into kalasam, there was a really heavy wind. =
It was sunny that whole morning with not many clouds. It had not rained for=
a few days. But the moment I made the second tarpana and said "om vishnuh =
tripyataam", suddenly it started raining. It was not heavy rain, but light =
rain with really large drops of rain water that slowly turned into a regula=
r rain and continued for the rest of the day. Rain with large drops is cons=
idered auspicious in tradition. Like this, the Mother gave me some good sig=
ns and gave me confidence that Her blessings were with us on this effort.
=
Obviously, She wants some people to benefit from the practice of tarpana a=
nd homam. That is why She is doing all this through us.
Best regards,
Nar=
asimha
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o
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rpana
Dear Narasimha Rao garu,

Can you please clarify th=
ese questions.
Regards,
Ramakrishna
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0/12/08, <deleted> wrote:
From: <deleted>
Subject: Re:=
Queries on Tarpana
To: "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...>
=
Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 11:19 AM
Dear Nar=
asimha Rao garu,
Namaste.
Here are the ot=

her doubts that I had earlier, but did not ask since I wanted to check with=
you only on the absolute must for performing tarpana on that day. Can you=
please clarify them ?
[Some of them are not related to Ta=

rpana, but I thought instead of sending a different mail, I will ask all of=
them in one]
1) In Deva tarpana, I see we are offering ta=

rpana to pisaachas (and I see a word "rakshaamsi" - assuming it is for raak=
shasas). Why are we offering tarpana to the bad souls ? Even if we offer th=
em say out of pity or so, should we be giving them so much importance that =
we are offereing them along with Devas and before rishis and our own pitris=
?
2) What is the significance of not doing tarpna on the =

specific days with specific thithis. (This is just out of my curiousity, if=
you feel it needs a lot of depth, please ignore)
3) You m=
entioned that we should not perfrom tarpana on our Birthday. I am thoroughl=
y confused on when we should celebrate our Birthday. Tamils and Karalites c=
elebrate based on their birth star. One priest told me Andhra and Karnataka=
people celebrate as per thithi. So I chose thithi. But some other priest t=
old me tithis should be used only for observing deaths not for births.
=
Which one should I follow (I'm from Andhra Pradesh) ?
=
4) A local priest told me that we should be holding two darbas and=
not three. I'm assuming this is just a difference on the tradition and no =
harm with 3 either.
5) For the obvious traditional beliefs=

, all the priests here strongly discouraged me from doing pitri tarpana (th=
ey are okay with Deva and Rishi tarpana) since my parents are alive. Howeve=
r my father was convinced with the explanation you gave in the doc and gave=
his consent. So I proceeded.
But I still have some slight=

discomfort. The Mantra says 'Sarva Janmeshu ....' Is n't this covering thi=
s Janma also ?
6) It would be good if you could make a vid=

eo of the presentation and upload. I was confused about how to hold the dar=
bas and did in the way I understood. Actually this is one request I have fo=
r your homa too. Some times we interpret the statements incorrectly and som=
etimes when we start following the doc, we get a different doubt. With the =
video, it is clear.
This is one of the reasons why I wante=

d to meet you when you were in India, so I can learn doing homa directly un=
der you. But for some reason it did not work out. If you could make a video=
, that would help people like me a lot.
7) How about maki=

ng translations of your Homa and Tarpana in different languages ? For examp=
le my father does not know english and all of sudden, he wanted to perform =
agnihotra after hearing about it by someone that it purifies atmosphere. Lu=
ckily I had a book on agnihotra by the Akkalkot ashram in Telugu and mailed=
him.
Similarly when I told him about Mahalaya Amavasya, h=

e wanted to perform tarpana but no manual for him.
8) Wha=
t is the role of Agnihotra ? Will it too purify out bhootagni or it is just=
for offering food to Agni, Surya and Prajapati ?
9) What =
is the significance of the sacred-thread ? What is your opinion on non-brah=
mins wearing that ? If am already chanting Gayatri mantra(as per your proce=
dure - Om Bhur.. one time, and ensclosing 'tat savi..' in Om at beginning a=
nd end every time we chant), do you think I will get additional benefit in =
wearing the sacred thread and getting initiated in to Gayatri. (the person =
who is initiating is most probably not a sadhaka and I don't think will be =
giving me any part of his mantra sidhi. Plus he is a simple priest and I ha=
ve no plans to treat him as my Guru and so I do not want to take his power =
even if he is willing to give me)To me he is just a qualified person to giv=
e sacred thread with a liberal view towards it.
10) Finall=
y, there is a belief that marriages should not be performed till 1 year whe=
re there was a death. Somewhere I read that after 10 (or 11) days the soul =
leaves the place and begins its journey. So I don't see why this rule was t=
here. Can you please let me know your view on this ?
Thank=
s and Regards,
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s
busy when you sent mail and forgot later. I am sending this to vedic-wis=
dom
after deleting your name in the mail.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(1) The =
word rakshas means a guardian spirit. The
plural form is "rakshaamsi". For=
example, the dikpalaka (direction ruler) of the
southwestern direction, N=
irriti, is a demon. But he is fulfilling an important
role. These gua=
rdians are clubbed with gods in tarpana.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(3) Naksha=
tra birthday is important for the matter
of health and longevity. Suppose =
you want to do a Mrityunjaya homam at the start
of what you suspect will b=
e a bad year for health and longevity. Then use
nakshatra birthday. Tithi =
is important for overall sense of well-being and
prosperity.</FONT></DIV>
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l size=3D2>Both birthdays are important. People advocate what
they are use=
d to. Both have their relevance.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(4) Using only on=
e darbha is a problem. Whether you
use 2 oe 3 is not a big deal in my view=
. Do as you please. But it should be more
than one or just skip darbhas.</=
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
face=3DArial size=3D2>(5) Yes, it is covering this janma also. But you
ar=
e satisfying only the souls that are in need of satisfying by svadhaa, as
=
indicated by the word svadhaayin. You need not worry about messing up anyth=
ing
with respect to those who are alive.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(6) Good =
suggestion. I will definitely
try.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(7) Those who b=
elieve they can do a good
translation are welcome to translate. Our effort=
has barely started. If She
wants, She will send those who will do what is=
needed to spread this further.
What I am doing is just planting a few see=
ds as asked by my guru who in turn was
commanded by the Mother. Many more =
people will have to come and play their roles
when the time comes, for thi=
s to become what the Mother said.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(8) It will. When=
you make offerings to Agni,
Prajapati etc in the external fire, the inter=
nal fire (bhutagni) carries those
to the Agni and Prajapati within. As the=
identification with the external fire
becomes stronger, bhutagni becomes =
stronger and purifies more. But calling
*some* deity in the fire and makin=
g some offerings is better than simple
agnihotra.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
(9) A by-birth brahmana who wears a sacred thread
but does not do any sadh=
ana has no use for the sacred thread. Someone of any
caste, if he doing so=
me spiritual sadhana, can benefit from wearing a sacred
thread.</FONT></DI=
V>
rial size=3D2>In fact, one who is interested in spiritual
progress, doing =
Gayatri mantra everyday or doing homam on a regular basis or
doing some ot=
her sadhana, automatically becomes a brahmana after a
while.</FONT></DIV>
=
l size=3D2>Sacred thread acts as a grounding wire in an
electric circuit. =
Until energy starts flowing in the body when mantra is
chanted, it has no =
use. Once energy starts flowing, it regulates the flow when
worn to be in =
touch with the spine.</FONT></DIV>
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you are chanting Gayatri m=
antra and doing homam,
it is a good idea to wear a sacred thread.</FONT></=
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2>(10) No view.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
p;
* *</=
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
face=3DArial size=3D2>When I made homam manual, I had done homam many
day=
s in row, knew several things about homam practically and had a good insigh=
t
into it. When I made the tarpana manual, I did not have much practical
=
experience and insight. I was following my guru's command.</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
ize=3D2>On the day I was to publish the tarpana manual, I
went to the Maha=
lakshmi idol next to my homa kundam and prayed to Her, "O
Mother, I am not=
really an authority on tarpana. But, with the intention of
people benefit=
ing from it, I made this manual as asked by my guru. Please bless
this eff=
ort. I will perform a tarpana now strictly following this document.
Please=
give me a visible sign if you are blessing this effort and giving a go
ah=
ead". I sat down to perform tarpana. The moment I called gods and rishis in=
to
kalasam, there was a really heavy wind. It was sunny that whole morning=
with not
many clouds. It had not rained for a few days. But the moment I =
made the second
tarpana and said "om vishnuh tripyataam", suddenly it star=
ted raining. It was
not heavy rain, but light rain with really large drops=
of rain water that slowly
turned into a regular rain and continued for th=
e rest of the day. Rain with
large drops is considered auspicious in tradi=
tion. Like this, the Mother gave me
some good signs and gave me confidence=
that Her blessings were with us on this
effort.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT f=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>O=
bviously, She wants some people to benefit from
the practice of tarpana an=
d homam. That is why She is doing all this through
us.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
=3D2>Best
---------------------------<BR>Do
href=3D"http=
://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</A><=
BR>Do
tarpana">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana</A><BR>Spirituality:
<A
h=
ref=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom">http://groups.yahoo.com/=
group/vedic-wisdom</A><BR>Free
href=3D"http://v=
edicastro.home.comcast.net">http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net</A><BR>Free =

href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org">ht=
tp://www.VedicAstrologer.org</A><BR>Sri
Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <A=
href=3D"http://www.SriJagannath.org">http://www.SriJagannath.org</A><BR>-=
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<DIV st=
<DIV
styl=
<A title=3Dramakrishna_blr@...
href=3D"mailto:ramakrishna_blr@=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:<=
/B> <A title=3Dpvr@...
href=3D"mailto:pvr@...">Narasimha=
P.V.R. Rao</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thurs=
day, October 23, 2008 11:29
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><=
B>Subject:</B> Re: Queries on Tarpana</DIV>
<TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 border=3D0>=
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop>Dear Narasimha Rao garu,<BR><B=
R>Can you please clarify
these questions.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR>Ramak=
rishna<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun,
10/12/08, <deleted> </B>wrote:<=
BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5=
px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:
<deleted>=
<BR>Subject: Re: Queries on Tarpana<BR>To: "Narasimha
P.V.R. Rao=
" <<A
href=3D"mailto:pvr@...">pvr@...</A>>=
<BR>Date: Sunday,
October 12, 2008, 11:19 AM
<DIV id=
=3Dyiv1475741462>
=3D0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD
=
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: inherit; font-size-adjust: inherit; font-stretch: in=
herit"
vAlign=3Dtop>
<DIV>Dear Narasimha Rao=
garu,</DIV>
</DIV>
<DIV>Namaste.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV>Here are the oth=
er doubts that I had earlier, but did not
ask since I want=
ed to check with you only on the absolute must
for perform=
ing tarpana on that day. Can you please clarify
them=
?</DIV>
V>
<DIV>[Some of them are not related to Tarpana, but I tho=
ught
instead of sending a different mail, I will ask all o=
f them in
one]</DIV>
<DIV>1) In Deva tarpana, I =
see we are offering tarpana to
pisaachas (and I see a word=
"rakshaamsi" - assuming it is for
raakshasas). Why are we=
offering tarpana to the bad souls ? Even
if we offer them=
say out of pity or so, should we be giving them
so much i=
mportance that we are offereing them along with Devas
and =
before rishis and our own pitris ?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
<DIV>2) What is the sign=
ificance of not doing tarpna on the
specific days with spe=
cific thithis. (This is just out of my
curiousity, if you =
feel it needs a lot of depth, please
ignore)</DIV>
=
=
<DIV>3) You mentioned that we should not perfrom tarpana on our
=
Birthday. I am thoroughly confused on when we should celebrate
=
our Birthday. Tamils and Karalites celebrate based on their
=
birth star. One priest told me Andhra and Karnataka people =
celebrate as per thithi. So I chose thithi. But some other=
priest told me tithis should be used only for observing d=

eaths
not for births.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
<DIV>Which one shoul=
d I follow (I'm from Andhra Pradesh) ?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
<DIV>4) A local prie=
st told me that we should be holding two
darbas and not th=
ree. I'm assuming this is just a difference on
the traditi=
on and no harm with 3 either.</DIV>
<DIV>5) For the obvious tradi=
tional beliefs, all the priests
here strongly discouraged =
me from doing pitri tarpana (they are
okay with Deva and R=
ishi tarpana) since my parents are alive.
However my fathe=
r was convinced with the explanation you gave in
the doc a=
nd gave his consent. So I proceeded.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
<DIV>But I still have=
some slight discomfort. The Mantra says
'Sarva Janmeshu .=
...' Is n't this covering this Janma also
?</DIV>
=
=
<DIV>6) It would be good if you could make a video of the
=
presentation and upload. I was confused about how to hold the
=
darbas and did in the way I understood. Actually this is one
=
request I have for your homa too. Some times we interpret the
=
statements incorrectly and sometimes when we start following t=
he
doc, we get a different doubt. With the video, it is
c=
lear.</DIV>
/DIV>
<DIV>This is one of the reasons why I wanted to meet =
you when
you were in India, so I can learn doing homa dire=
ctly under you.
But for some reason it did not work out. I=
f you could make a
video, that would help people like me a=
lot. </DIV>
</DIV>
<DIV>7) How about making translations of your Homa a=
nd Tarpana
in different languages ? For example my father =
does not know
english and all of sudden, he wanted to perf=
orm agnihotra after
hearing about it by someone that it pu=
rifies atmosphere. Luckily
I had a book on agnihotra by th=
e Akkalkot ashram in Telugu and
mailed him.</DIV>
=
=
<DIV>Similarly when I told him about Mahalaya Amavasya, he
=
wanted to perform tarpana but no manual for him. </DIV>
=
<DIV>8=
) What is the role of Agnihotra ? Will it too purify out
b=
hootagni or it is just for offering food to Agni, Surya and
=
Prajapati ?</DIV>
> </DIV>
<DIV>9) What is the significance of the sacre=
d-thread ? What is
your opinion on non-brahmins wearing th=
at ? If am already
chanting Gayatri mantra(as per your pro=
cedure - Om Bhur.. one
time, and ensclosing 'tat savi..' i=
n Om at beginning and end
every time we chant), do you thi=
nk I will get additional benefit
in wearing the sacred thr=
ead and getting initiated in to
Gayatri. (the person who i=
s initiating is most probably not a
sadhaka and I don't th=
ink will be giving me any part of his
mantra sidhi. Plus h=
e is a simple priest and I have no plans to
treat him as m=
y Guru and so I do not want to take his power even
if he i=
s willing to give me)To me he is just a qualified person
t=
o give sacred thread with a liberal view towards it.</DIV>
=
<DIV>1=
0) Finally, there is a belief that marriages should not be
=
performed till 1 year where there was a death. Somewhere I read
=
that after 10 (or 11) days the soul leaves the place and begins
=
its journey. So I don't see why this rule was there. Can you
=
please let me know your view on this ?</DIV>
=
<DIV=
>Thanks and Regards,</DIV>
<DIV><deleted></DIV>
=
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV><=
/TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<P=
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Namaste,
It really depends on the person and his/her karmas.
In general=
, after a few months of daily homam, some inner transformation should occur=
in the way the person views self, others and life. Some clarity should com=
e. Mind should be more peaceful and calm (even when engaging in actions tha=
t usually spoil mental calmness). Even when mental calmness is disturbed te=
mporarily, it should be rstored fast. The impermanence of most things we cl=
ing on to should be more obvious than before. Devotion should increase.
S=
pecific experiences can vary. If one is ready, meditation at the end of hom=
am can even make Kundalini rise, but that may need more preparation in most=
. Some level of prior inner transformation is needed before that.
The goa=
l of homam or any other sadhana is inner transformation.
In addition, som=
e specific results are possible with different kind of homas. One doing Sav=
itri Gayatri homam regularly may experience a sharper intellect and the abi=
lity to see things related to knowledge more clearly. One doing Chandi homa=
m regularly may experience fearlessness, boldness, frankness, detachment an=
d the ability to wage a big battle without much attachment. One doing Sri K=
rishna homam regularly may melt with devotion and start to internally cry f=
or Krishna. Different homas may work in different ways. But they all cause =
internal transformation, simplify the ego of the person, purify the system =
and clarify thinking.
Best regards,
Narasimha
---------------------------=
---------------------------------------
trologer.org/tarpana
Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisd=
om
Free Jyot=
Sri Jagannath Centre=
-------------------------------=
-----------------------------------

Fro=
m: rajarshi nandy
Sent: Saturday, Oc=
tober 25, 2008 1:59 PM
=
Dear Narasmiha
I was wondering, does doing homa for different de=

ities have different kind of effects. Like if someone does a Mahaganapati H=
oma vs someone doing a Homa of Krishna for a considerable period of time, i=
s there any set principle that defines what kind of progress or experiences=
each may undergo?
I know that it may all depend on the specific p=

ersons karmas and mental makeup acquired over many lifetimes, but can there=
be a broad generalization done on this?
-Regards
Rajarsh=
i
=
=
Subject: [vedic=
-wisdom] Re: Doing Homa
=
Namaste,
=
It is far better to stick to one deity and one homam and do it every
=
day/week/fortnight/ month for a duration of time. It is a bad idea to=
do a
Ramakrishna Paramaham=
sa used to say "if you want, dig deep in one place.
Don't dig on=
e foot in one place, another foot in another place and so on".
P=
ick one deity and one homam and do it continuously for a few months
=
Amavasya is good for wor=

shipping Kaali or Mahalakshmi. Especially
Deepavali/Diwali is a =
great day to worship Mahalakshmi. So Her homam is a
good idea.
=
Best regards,
Narasimha
----- Original Messa=

ge -----
From: "m540i98" <m540i98@yahoo. com>
To: <ved=
ic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:31 =
PM
> Greetings
=
>
> Is there any guideline for days in week coorelating to =
do homa for a
> Also the time=
of the day too.
>
>
> Diwali is coming in a =
couple of days, any recommendations for homam
> along with auspic=
ious time, anyone?
>
> Best Regards
> Mitesh
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<DI=
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inner transfor=
mation should occur in the way the person views self, others and
life. Som=
e clarity should come. Mind should be more peaceful and calm (even when
en=
gaging in actions that usually spoil mental calmness). Even when mental
ca=
lmness is disturbed temporarily, it should be rstored fast. The impermanenc=
e
of most things we cling on to should be more obvious than before. Devoti=
on
should increase.</FONT></DIV>
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Specific experiences can vary.=
If one is ready,
meditation at the end of homam can even make Kundalini r=
ise, but that may need
more preparation in most. Some level of prior inner=
transformation is needed
before that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The goal of=
homam or any other sadhana is inner
transformation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FO=
=3D2>In addition, some specific results are possible
with different kind o=
f homas. One doing Savitri Gayatri homam regularly may
experience a sharpe=
r intellect and the ability to see things related to
knowledge more clearl=
y. One doing Chandi homam regularly may experience
fearlessness, boldness,=
frankness, detachment and the ability to wage a big
battle without much a=
ttachment. One doing Sri Krishna homam regularly may melt
with devotion an=
d start to internally cry for Krishna. Different homas may
work in di=
fferent ways. But they all cause internal transformation, simplify the
ego=
of the person, purify the system and clarify thinking.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><=
=3D2>Best
---------------------------<BR>Do
href=3D"http=
://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</A><=
BR>Do
tarpana">http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana</A><BR>Spirituality:
<A
h=
ref=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom">http://groups.yahoo.com/=
group/vedic-wisdom</A><BR>Free
href=3D"http://v=
edicastro.home.comcast.net">http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net</A><BR>Free =

href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org">ht=
tp://www.VedicAstrologer.org</A><BR>Sri
Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <A=
href=3D"http://www.SriJagannath.org">http://www.SriJagannath.org</A><BR>-=
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styl=
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">rajarshi
nandy</A> </DIV>
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FO=
NT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:59
PM</DIV>
=
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Doin=
g
Homa</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV><FONT=
face=3DArial
size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT f=
ace=3DArial
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<DIV>Dear Narasmiha</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D=
<DIV>I was wondering, does doing=
homa for different deities have
different kind of effects. Like i=
f someone does a Mahaganapati Homa vs
someone doing a Homa of Kris=
hna for a considerable period of time, is
there any set principle =
that defines what kind of progress or
experiences each may undergo=
?</DIV>
=
<DIV>I know that it may all depend on the specific persons karmas and
=
mental makeup acquired over many lifetimes, but can there be a broad =
generalization done on this?</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>
=
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<D=
IV><EM><STRONG>
style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This above
=
Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV><=
/STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat,
25/10/08, Narasimha P.V.=
R. Rao <I><pvr@...></I></B>
wrote:<BR>
<BLOC=
KQUOTE
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: =
rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:
Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@cha=
rter.net><BR>Subject:
[vedic-wisdom] Re: Doing Homa<BR>To:
=
vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Saturday, 25 October, 2008, =
9:56
AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv476054537>
<DIV=
id=3Dygrp-text>
<DIV>Namaste,<BR><BR>It is far better to stick t=
o one deity and one
homam and do it every <BR>day/week/fortnight=
/ month for a duration of
time. It is a bad idea to do a <BR>dif=
ferent homam
everyday.<BR><BR>Ramakrishna Paramahamsa used to sa=
y "if you want, dig
deep in one place. <BR>Don't dig one foot in=
one place, another foot
in another place and so on".<BR><BR>Pic=
k one deity and one homam and
do it continuously for a few month=
s <BR>atleast. It will do something
then.<BR><BR>Amavasya is goo=
d for worshipping Kaali or Mahalakshmi.
Especially <BR>Deepavali=
/Diwali is a great day to worship Mahalakshmi.
So Her homam is a=
<BR>good idea.<BR><BR>Best
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR><BR>----- O=
riginal Message ----- <BR>From:
"m540i98" <<A href=3D"mailto:=
m540i98%40yahoo.com" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>m540i98@yaho=
o. com</A>><BR>To: <<A
href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoo=
groups.com" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogr=
oups. com</A>><BR>Sent: Friday,
October 24, 2008 3:31 PM<BR>S=
ubject: [vedic-wisdom] Doing
Homa<BR><BR>> Greetings<BR>><=
BR>> Is there any guideline for
days in week coorelating to d=
o homa for a<BR>> particular
god/goddess.<BR>> Also the ti=
me of the day
too.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Diwali is coming in a=
couple of days, any
recommendations for homam<BR>> along wit=
h auspicious time,
anyone?<BR>><BR>> Best Regards<BR>> =
Mitesh<BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY><=
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Your explanation sounds fair enough and logical. I was won=
dering what kind of effects would a Bhairav Homa have. I suppose I could ta=
ke a clue from your description of possible effects of the Chandi Homa.
=
=C2=A0
I had a very interesting experince today while doing a homa during t=
he meditation. It seemed as if my whole conscinousness was at my head (I me=
an for a brief span it was like my hands and legs did not exist).. and I fe=
lt very light, asif, if I made an effort I might be able to fly. Before tha=
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Date: =
Sunday, 26 October, 2008, 11:36 AM
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Namaste,
=C2=A0
It real=
ly depends on the person and his/her karmas.
=C2=A0
In general, after a few=
months of daily homam, some inner transformation should occur in the way t=
he person views self, others and life. Some clarity should come. Mind shoul=
d be more peaceful and calm (even when engaging in actions that usually spo=
il mental calmness). Even when mental calmness is disturbed temporarily, it=
should be rstored fast. The impermanence of most things we cling on to sho=
uld be more obvious than before. Devotion should increase.
=C2=A0
Specific =
experiences can vary. If one is ready, meditation at the end of homam can e=
ven make Kundalini rise, but that may need more preparation in most. Some l=
evel of prior inner transformation is needed before that.
=C2=A0
The goal o=
f homam or any other sadhana is inner transformation.
=C2=A0
In addition, s=
ome specific results are possible with different kind of homas. One doing S=
avitri Gayatri homam regularly may experience a sharper intellect and the a=
bility to see things related to knowledge more clearly. One doing Chandi ho=
mam regularly may experience fearlessness, boldness, frankness, detachment =
and the ability to wage a big battle without much attachment. One doing Sri=
Krishna homam regularly may melt with devotion and=C2=A0start to internall=
y cry for Krishna. Different homas may work in different ways. But they all=
cause internal transformation, simplify the ego of the person, purify the =
system and clarify thinking.
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Best regards,
Narasimha
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sdom] Re: Doing Homa
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Dear Narasmiha
=C2=A0
I was wondering, does=
doing homa for different deities have different kind of effects. Like if s=
omeone does a Mahaganapati Homa vs someone doing a Homa of Krishna for a co=
nsiderable period of time, is there any set principle that defines what kin=
d of progress or experiences each may undergo?
=C2=A0
I know that it may al=
l depend on the specific persons karmas and mental makeup acquired over man=
y lifetimes, but can there be a broad generalization done on this?
=C2=A0
-=
Regards
=C2=A0Rajarshi
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mlet
--- On Sat, 25/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net> wrote:

=

Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: =
Doing Homa
Date: Saturday, 25 October, 2=
008, 9:56 AM
Namaste,
It is far better to stick to one deity and one h=

omam and do it every
day/week/fortnight/ month for a duration of time. It =
is a bad idea to do a
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa u=
sed to say "if you want, dig deep in one place.
Don't dig one foot in one =
place, another foot in another place and so on".
Pick one deity and one ho=

mam and do it continuously for a few months
atleast. It will do something =
then.
Amavasya is good for worshipping Kaali or Mahalakshmi. Especially

D=
eepavali/Diwali is a great day to worship Mahalakshmi. So Her homam is a
g=
ood idea.
Best regards,
Narasimha

From: "m5=
40i98" <m540i98@yahoo. com>
Sent: Frid=
ay, October 24, 2008 3:31 PM
> Greeting=
s
>
> Is there any guideline for days in week coorelating to do homa for a
=
> Also the time of the day too.
>
>
> Diwali is c=
oming in a couple of days, any recommendations for homam
> along with auspi=
cious time, anyone?
>
> Best Regards
> Mitesh
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Dear Sir,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Y=
our explanation sounds fair enough and logical. I was wondering what kind o=
f effects would a Bhairav Homa have. I suppose I could take a clue from you=
r description of possible effects of the Chandi Homa. </DIV>
<DIV> </D=
IV>
<DIV>I had a very interesting experince today while doing a homa during=
the meditation. It seemed as if my whole conscinousness was at my head (I =
mean for a brief span it was like my hands and legs did not exist).. and I =
felt very light, asif, if I made an effort I might be able to fly. Before t=
hat during the homa the fire was feeling awesome, the hair on my skin stood=
up with each offering into the fire. Whatever it was, it was a strong=
, nice experience.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV> R=
ajarshi<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><SPA=
N style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This above =
all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></E=
M></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 26/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@ch=
arter.net></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MA=
RGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Narasimha P.V.=
R. Rao <pvr@...><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Doing Homa<BR=
>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Sunday, 26 October, 2008, 11:36 =
AM<BR><BR>
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<D=
IV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Namaste,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It really d=
epends on the person and his/her karmas.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In general=
, after a few months of daily homam, some inner transformation should occur=
in the way the person views self, others and life. Some clarity should com=
e. Mind should be more peaceful and calm (even when engaging in actions tha=
t usually spoil mental calmness). Even when mental calmness is disturbed te=
mporarily, it should be rstored fast. The impermanence of most things we cl=
ing on to should be more obvious than before. Devotion should increase.</FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT f=
ace=3DArial size=3D2>Specific experiences can vary. If one is ready, medita=
tion at the end of homam can even make Kundalini rise, but that may need mo=
re preparation in most. Some level of prior inner transformation is needed =
before that.</FONT></DIV>
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The goal of homam or any other sadhana=
is inner transformation.</FONT></DIV>
sp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In addition, some specifi=
c results are possible with different kind of homas. One doing Savitri Gaya=
tri homam regularly may experience a sharper intellect and the ability to s=
ee things related to knowledge more clearly. One doing Chandi homam regular=
ly may experience fearlessness, boldness, frankness, detachment and the abi=
lity to wage a big battle without much attachment. One doing Sri Krishna ho=
mam regularly may melt with devotion and start to internally cry for K=
rishna. Different homas may work in different ways. But they all cause inte=
rnal transformation, simplify the ego of the person, purify the system and =
clarify thinking.</FONT></DIV>
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>---=
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<DIV>I was wondering, does doing homa for different deit=
ies have different kind of effects. Like if someone does a Mahaganapati Hom=
a vs someone doing a Homa of Krishna for a considerable period of time, is =
there any set principle that defines what kind of progress or experiences e=
ach may undergo?</DIV>
<DIV>I know that it may all depend on the specific persons karmas and ment=
al makeup acquired over many lifetimes, but can there be a broad generaliza=
tion done on this?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV> R=
ajarshi<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG>
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all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></E=
M></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 25/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@ch=
arter. net></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,=
16,255) 2px solid">From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net><BR>S=
ubject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Doing Homa<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com=
<BR>Date: Saturday, 25 October, 2008, 9:56 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv47605453=
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<DIV>Namaste,<BR><BR>It is far better to stick to o=
ne deity and one homam and do it every <BR>day/week/fortnight/ month for a =
duration of time. It is a bad idea to do a <BR>different homam everyday.<BR=
><BR>Ramakrishna Paramahamsa used to say "if you want, dig deep in one plac=
e. <BR>Don't dig one foot in one place, another foot in another place and s=
o on".<BR><BR>Pick one deity and one homam and do it continuously for a few=
months <BR>atleast. It will do something then.<BR><BR>Amavasya is good for=
worshipping Kaali or Mahalakshmi. Especially <BR>Deepavali/Diwali is a gre=
at day to worship Mahalakshmi. So Her homam is a <BR>good idea.<BR><BR>Best=
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "m540i=
98" <<A href=3D"mailto:m540i98%40yahoo.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofoll=
ow>m540i98@yahoo. com</A>><BR>To: <<A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40y=
ahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. c=
om</A>><BR>Sent: Friday,
October 24, 2008 3:31 PM<BR>Subject: [vedic-wi=
sdom] Doing Homa<BR><BR>> Greetings<BR>><BR>> Is there any guideli=
ne for days in week coorelating to do homa for a<BR>> particular god/god=
dess.<BR>> Also the time of the day too.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Diwali =
is coming in a couple of days, any recommendations for homam<BR>> along =
with auspicious time, anyone?<BR>><BR>> Best Regards<BR>> Mitesh<B=
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To: vedic-wisdo=
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Namaste friends,
=C2=A0
In the next few weeks/months, I want to share=
with all my independent interpretations of the vedic mantras for nine plan=
ets.
=C2=A0
Though I am mostly restricting my spiritual writings to vedic-w=
isdom yahoogroup these days=C2=A0and sparing astrology related yahoogroups,=
I am sending this to astrology yahoogroups also, as BPHS talks about these=
mantras in the chapter on graha shanti.
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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *
This mant=
ra is a very popular mantra for worshipping Surya (Sun god). It is used in =
Navagraha homam and navagraha pooja as a part of Satya Narayana vratam. Par=
asara Maharshi (father of Veda Vyasa Maharshi) specified this mantra as a r=
emedy for any problems related to Sun in the horoscope (see "Brihat Paaraas=
ara Horaa Saastram").
My interpretation may be different from what Sayana,=

Max Muller etc gave. Especially when it comes to the second line, most sch=
olars have interpreted "ratha" as chariot and alluded to Sun going around e=
arth on a chariot. I have a different Vedantic take on it. I know some Sans=
krit, but it is the inner inspiration given by Mother Mahalakshmi that enab=
les to interpret.
May erudite scholars ignore me if they find my interpret=

ation faulty!
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=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *
RigVeda 1.35.2
AkRîShNena rajasA vartamAno=

niveshayannamR^ itaM martyaM ca |
hiraNyayena savitA rathenAdevo yAti bhuv=
anAni pashyan ||
vartamAnaH =3D existing (present)

rajasA =3D with the lig=
ht [though rajas is one of the three gunas, it also means light and energy]=
AkRîShNa =3D extending till (including) darkness

niveshayan =3D inhabitin=
g/dwelling in/filling
amRîtaM =3D the imperishable [Brahman, the unmanifes=
ted potentiality]
martyaM ca =3D and the perishable too [all the manifestat=
ions of Brahman in this universe perish]
savitA =3D the god Savita
hiraNyay=
ena =3D with the pure/golden essence of Brahman
rathena =3D with desire/att=
achment [though ratha normally means a chariot/vehicle, it also means a des=
ire. The word manoratha" (manah+ratha) comes from it. It means the desires =
and wishes of the heart. I prefer this meaning here and not the normally ta=
ken "chariot".]
yAti =3D moves into
AdevaH =3D all beings including gods
pa=
shyan =3D experiencing [though pashyan basically means "watching", it also =
means considering, perceiving and experiencing]
bhuvanAni =3D all the world=
s and the beings dwelling in it
Meaning in Brief:
Existing with all the l=

ight and the darkness, dwelling in the imperishable Brahman as well as the =
perishable creation, Savita, with the pure essence of Brahman and with the =
desire that causes movement in it (and results in creation), moves into all=
beings including the gods and experiences through them all the worlds and =
the beings of this diverse creation.
Detailed Commentary:
If you study ca=

refully, this verse gives the essence of Vedic philosophy. It contains the =
essence of great scriptures such as "Yoga Vaasishtham" and "BhagavadGita" ,=
sooktas such as Purusha Sooktam and Narayana Sooktam and hymns such as Gan=
apathi Atharva Seersham. It is a very important hymn.
Savita is the highes=

t form of Surya. He is basically the supreme cosmic being. He is Atman, the=
pure spirit that fills the entire universe - the creation as well as the u=
ncreated. He is the pure light behind all the light and darkness that we se=
e. Good and bad, gods and demons, pleasure and pain, all such dualities are=
but different manifestations of the same Brahman. The ONE Brahman manifest=
s as the duality and diverse beings.
The one Atman, which is but pure ligh=

t, manifests as duality - as light and darkness - and fills the entire univ=
erse. Savita dwells in Brahman as well as the entire perishable creation. E=
verything that has manifested has to perish. Savita dwells in all - in the =
imperishable Brahman as well as the perishable manifestations of Brahman (v=
arious worlds, gods, demons and other beings).
The ONE pure light of Savit=

a manifests as DIVERSE objects ranging all the way from pure light to darkn=
ess and fills all beings. With the pure and untaintable essence of Brahman =
and the movement caused in Brahman due to desire, Savita enters all the bei=
ngs including gods. In other words, all the beings are created from Brahman=
and the desire/movement in Brahman.
Vedanta teaches that Brahman is unman=

ifested pure consciousness. A part of Brahman causes movement in Brahman, w=
hich becomes a desire and gets fulfilled immediately. This results in the c=
reation of various beings. The word "ratha" refers to this. The pure essenc=
e of Brahman (hiraNyaya) as well as the desire that caused a movement of th=
ought in Brahman (ratha) enter all beings. Savita enters all being as Shiva=
as well as Shakti!
When all the desires come to a halt and the movement o=

f mind stops, all beings can experience the pure essence of Brahman that ha=
s entered them (i.e. sat-chid-ananda) . When the desire is there, there are=
thoughts and movement of mind and the beings do not experience the pure es=
sence of Brahman that has entered them.
The hymn says that the pure essenc=

e of Brahman (Shiva) and the desire that causes movement of thought (Shakti=
) are both aspects of ONE Savita only.
Savita enters all the beings with t=

he pure essence and the desire/thought and experiences the worlds and being=
s through them. If a person called "Narasimha Rao" exists, it is actually S=
avita who exists through him. If a person called "Narasimha Rao" experience=
s the entire world - various worlds and beings in those worlds - it is actu=
ally Savita who has entered him that experiences the entire world through h=
im!! All his thoughts, experiences and actions are actually those of Savita=
- the in-dwelling spirit.
This is the same as what Ganapathi Atharva Seer=

sham means by "tvameva kevalam kartAsi...". This is the same as what Krishn=
a means when he tells Arjuna in BhagavadGita that it is Krishna who acts th=
rough various beings and that the beings should not be deluded to think tha=
t they are doing things.
Savita in this hymn is represented as the same su=

preme cosmic being that is referred in various other Vedic scriptures!
Mos=
t authorities have interpreted the second line to mean that Sun goes on a c=
hariot and watches the entire world. That is a gross interpretation and mis=
ses the subtle and deeper meaning.
In fact, when Atman goes on the chariot=

(ratha) of desire (ratha), it moves and sees the diverse creation. When th=
e chariot (ratha) stops, then the desire (ratha) stops and there is no move=
ment of thought. No longer a diverse creation is perceived and there is onl=
y bliss of true being (sat-chid-ananda) . Thus, even the gross chaiot inter=
pretation is a metaphor for the subtle interpretation given above!
This hy=
mn is very important as it covers several important Vedantic concepts:
(1)=
The supreme cosmic being is one, but assumes duality.
(2) The supreme cosm=
ic being enters all the beings with the duality.
(3) The supreme cosmic bei=
ng experiences through all the beings.
(4) The pure essence of supreme cosm=
ic being enters all the beings and helps them experience sat-chid-ananda.
(=
5) The desire (movement of thought) in the supreme cosmic being enters all =
the beings and results in movement of thought within them and diverse world=
experiences.=C2=A0
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Best regards,
Narasimha
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;">Dear Sir, you have mentioned about Astrology =
group, I would like to know the name of this Group so that I can be member.=
Sir, Have you read my mail regarding - God and his planetary network ? Thi=
s was sent to your personal mail id. <BR><BR><FONT face=3D"comic sans ms" c=
olor=3D#212143><STRONG>Dr.Ashwin Rawal</STRONG></FONT><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat=
, 25/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@...></I></B> wrote:<=
BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: =
rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...>=
;<BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] My Interpretation of Surya Mantra (RV 1.35.2)<=
BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, vedic-astrolo=
gy@yahoogroups.com, JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Saturday, 25 Octo=
ber, 2008, 11:19 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv1015489559>
<=
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Namaste friends,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><F=
=3D2>In the next few weeks/months, I want to share with all my independent =
interpretations of the vedic mantras for nine planets.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><F=
=3D2>Though I am mostly restricting my spiritual writings to vedic-wisdom y=
ahoogroup these days and sparing astrology related yahoogroups, I am s=
ending this to astrology yahoogroups also, as BPHS talks about these mantra=
s in the chapter on graha shanti.</FONT></DIV>
=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
p; * *<BR=
></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This mantra is a very popul=
ar mantra for worshipping Surya (Sun god). It is used in Navagraha homam an=
d navagraha pooja as a part of Satya Narayana vratam. Parasara Maharshi (fa=
ther of Veda Vyasa Maharshi) specified this mantra as a remedy for any prob=
lems related to Sun in the horoscope (see "Brihat Paaraasara Horaa Saastram=
").<BR><BR>My interpretation may be different from what Sayana, Max Muller =
etc gave. Especially when it comes to the second line, most scholars have i=
nterpreted "ratha" as chariot and alluded to Sun going around earth on a ch=
ariot. I have a different Vedantic take on it. I know some Sanskrit, but it=
is the inner inspiration given by Mother Mahalakshmi that enables to inter=
pret.<BR><BR>May erudite scholars ignore me if they find my interpretation =
faulty!<BR><BR>* * &nb=
sp; *<BR><BR><STRONG>RigVeda 1.35.2<BR><BR>AkRîShN=
ena rajasA
vartamAno niveshayannamR^ itaM martyaM ca |<BR>hiraNyayena savi=
tA rathenAdevo yAti bhuvanAni pashyan ||<BR></STRONG><BR>vartamAnaH =3D exi=
sting (present)<BR>rajasA =3D with the light [though rajas is one of the th=
ree gunas, it also means light and energy]<BR>AkRîShNa =3D extending till =
(including) darkness<BR>niveshayan =3D inhabiting/dwelling in/filling</FONT=
></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>amRîtaM =3D the imperishable [Bra=
hman, the unmanifested potentiality]<BR>martyaM ca =3D and the perishable t=
oo [all the manifestations of Brahman in this universe perish]<BR>savitA =
=3D the god Savita<BR>hiraNyayena =3D with the pure/golden essence of Brahm=
an<BR>rathena =3D with desire/attachment [though ratha normally means a cha=
riot/vehicle, it also means a desire. The word manoratha" (manah+ratha) com=
es from it. It means the desires and wishes of the heart. I prefer this mea=
ning here and not the normally taken "chariot".]<BR>yAti =3D moves into<BR>=
AdevaH =3D all beings including gods<BR>pashyan =3D experiencing [though pa=
shyan basically means "watching", it also means considering, perceiving and=
experiencing]<BR>bhuvanAni =3D all the worlds and the beings dwelling in i=
t<BR><BR><STRONG>Meaning in Brief:<BR></STRONG><BR>Existing with all the li=
ght and the darkness, dwelling in the imperishable Brahman as well as the p=
erishable creation,
Savita, with the pure essence of Brahman and with the =
desire that causes movement in it (and results in creation), moves into all=
beings including the gods and experiences through them all the worlds and =
the beings of this diverse creation.<BR><BR><STRONG>Detailed Commentary:<BR=
></STRONG><BR>If you study carefully, this verse gives the essence of Vedic=
philosophy. It contains the essence of great scriptures such as "Yoga Vaas=
ishtham" and "BhagavadGita" , sooktas such as Purusha Sooktam and Narayana =
Sooktam and hymns such as Ganapathi Atharva Seersham. It is a very importan=
t hymn.<BR><BR>Savita is the highest form of Surya. He is basically the sup=
reme cosmic being. He is Atman, the pure spirit that fills the entire unive=
rse - the creation as well as the uncreated. He is the pure light behind al=
l the light and darkness that we see. Good and bad, gods and demons, pleasu=
re and pain, all such dualities are but different manifestations of the sam=
e Brahman.
The ONE Brahman manifests as the duality and diverse beings.<BR=
><BR>The one Atman, which is but pure light, manifests as duality - as ligh=
t and darkness - and fills the entire universe. Savita dwells in Brahman as=
well as the entire perishable creation. Everything that has manifested has=
to perish. Savita dwells in all - in the imperishable Brahman as well as t=
he perishable manifestations of Brahman (various worlds, gods, demons and o=
ther beings).<BR><BR>The ONE pure light of Savita manifests as DIVERSE obje=
cts ranging all the way from pure light to darkness and fills all beings. W=
ith the pure and untaintable essence of Brahman and the movement caused in =
Brahman due to desire, Savita enters all the beings including gods. In othe=
r words, all the beings are created from Brahman and the desire/movement in=
Brahman.<BR><BR>Vedanta teaches that Brahman is unmanifested pure consciou=
sness. A part of Brahman causes movement in Brahman, which becomes a desire=
and
gets fulfilled immediately. This results in the creation of various b=
eings. The word "ratha" refers to this. The pure essence of Brahman (hiraNy=
aya) as well as the desire that caused a movement of thought in Brahman (ra=
tha) enter all beings. Savita enters all being as Shiva as well as Shakti!<=
BR><BR>When all the desires come to a halt and the movement of mind stops, =
all beings can experience the pure essence of Brahman that has entered them=
(i.e. sat-chid-ananda) . When the desire is there, there are thoughts and =
movement of mind and the beings do not experience the pure essence of Brahm=
an that has entered them.<BR><BR>The hymn says that the pure essence of Bra=
hman (Shiva) and the desire that causes movement of thought (Shakti) are bo=
th aspects of ONE Savita only.<BR><BR>Savita enters all the beings with the=
pure essence and the desire/thought and experiences the worlds and beings =
through them. If a person called "Narasimha Rao" exists, it is actually
Sa=
vita who exists through him. If a person called "Narasimha Rao" experiences=
the entire world - various worlds and beings in those worlds - it is actua=
lly Savita who has entered him that experiences the entire world through hi=
m!! All his thoughts, experiences and actions are actually those of Savita =
- the in-dwelling spirit.<BR><BR>This is the same as what Ganapathi Atharva=
Seersham means by "tvameva kevalam kartAsi...". This is the same as what K=
rishna means when he tells Arjuna in BhagavadGita that it is Krishna who ac=
ts through various beings and that the beings should not be deluded to thin=
k that they are doing things.<BR><BR>Savita in this hymn is represented as =
the same supreme cosmic being that is referred in various other Vedic scrip=
tures!<BR><BR>Most authorities have interpreted the second line to mean tha=
t Sun goes on a chariot and watches the entire world. That is a gross inter=
pretation and misses the subtle and deeper meaning.<BR><BR>In
fact, when A=
tman goes on the chariot (ratha) of desire (ratha), it moves and sees the d=
iverse creation. When the chariot (ratha) stops, then the desire (ratha) st=
ops and there is no movement of thought. No longer a diverse creation is pe=
rceived and there is only bliss of true being (sat-chid-ananda) . Thus, eve=
n the gross chaiot interpretation is a metaphor for the subtle interpretati=
on given above!<BR><BR>This hymn is very important as it covers several imp=
ortant Vedantic concepts:<BR><BR>(1) The supreme cosmic being is one, but a=
ssumes duality.<BR>(2) The supreme cosmic being enters all the beings with =
the duality.<BR>(3) The supreme cosmic being experiences through all the be=
ings.<BR>(4) The pure essence of supreme cosmic being enters all the beings=
and helps them experience sat-chid-ananda.<BR>(5) The desire (movement of =
thought) in the supreme cosmic being enters all the beings and results in m=
ovement of thought within them and diverse world
experiences. </FONT>=
</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FON=
T face=3DArial size=3D2>Best regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------ --------=
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lank rel=3Dnofollow><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>http://www.VedicAst rologer=
.org/ tarpana</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Spirituality: </FON=
T><A href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom" target=3D_blank re=
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(MP3): </FONT><A href=3D"http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net/" target=3D_bla=
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st. net</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2>Free Jyotish software (W=
indows): </FONT><A href=3D"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/" target=3D_blank=
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</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) websi=
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wrote:
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Narasimha Garu & others,
Namaste !!!
let's take a time-off from CK..:-)
a=
couple of days back, i was going through your 2008 TP chart & TP
Ashtotta=
ri Dasha. few intresting coincidence was noticed which i
wish to share her=
e.
1]
-Your TP'08 chart has Digbali Mangal in 10th where as strong Guru i=
n
4th in Dhanu.
- Mangal's TPA dasha was on from 10.aug to 5th Sept'08.
=
Now this is the time when for the first time i was inspired to think
if yo=
u are my spiritual guide (The exact day was 24th Aug,
Janmashtami day). I =
wrote you the mail same day asking about it. and
i got the mail from you a=
ccepting me as your disciple on 3rd of sept
(Ganesh Chaturthi day).
both =
the above dates falls in the Mangal period, which is in Mithun
Rashi.
*NO=
W The main connection is that in my Birth Rashi chart, I have
Mithun Lagna=
having Mars and Guru is in Dhanu* the situation exactly
found in yout TP'=
08 chart as indicated above.
Adding to the above,Your TP'08 Rashi chart h=

as Kanya Lagna & my
TP'08 chart has also Kanya Lagna.
2] Today just thoug=

ht of seeing the same chart (your TP'08) with 7
or 8 CK scheme. Honest per=
suit to see how it shows up.
settings done for 8 CK scheme - Mangal is Pik=
& Guru is BK hence no
connection to Shishya. PK is Budha debiliated. peri=
od
The chart has no planets on the same degree. so let's apply the rule
o=
f 7CK which has comeup as a fresh translation.
Mangal becomes MK. if we ap=

ply the second rule that MK also acts as
PK. then things are explained. in=
Mangal (PK) ATP Dasha you found, a
Shishya who intrestingly has Mangal in=
Muthun Lagna.
------------------------------------------------------------=
--------
No way i am making any judgment about *working in practise* for 7=

/8
CK. what i tried is just to apply on the said chart and found
working =
nicely. however it is a long way to confirm if it works
practically or not=
.
but one thing is for sure that TP works amazingly. this is the one
tool=
which i love to use with good confidence.
Is it not another confirmation=

about GURU, Shishya & Jyotish Shastra?
Aadhyaatmically & Jyotishially you=

rs,
Utpal Pathak

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Namaste to all,
Can i ask one thing here that is there any simple thing li=
ke
a mantra or some other thing which if done regularly
will hwlp one take=
him to his guru and find one guru
in a physical body
after all we are not=
Lord Dattatreya who can take teachings from
nature.
If sb like your guru =
is there he can tell you in simple terms
what to do for spiritual growth be=
cause daily obstacles sometimes
take away you from your ultimate goal
reg=
ards
jitender
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Namaste,
> you can also reply on VEDIC WISDOM group but if you
> can remove my identity from this that would be appreciable
Ok..
Vimalananda may have overcome lust after having his deity with him. Someone
else may have to first overcome his lust even to have a vision of the deity.
What is good for goose is not good for gander. In general, it is good to try
to overcome lust if it is possible.
Several "normal college going people" were taken under his wings by
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and transformed into spiritual giants. Swami
Vivekananda, Swami Brahmananda, Swami Yogananda etc were college students
when they met Ramakrishna.
But it is not easy to overcome lust at all. Several of Ramakrishna's

disciples also struggled with it initially and overcame lust with his
blessings. Lust is a very basic human instinct and not at all easy to kill
completely.
In the beginning, it is ok if the thought does not go out of the mind. Set a
rule for 20 days or 40 days or 108 days or some period like that and
maintain physical brahmacharya. Don't worry if thoughts come.
Feeling of guilt is a weight and it does not help in overcoming the basic
problem. Don't be over-burdened by it.
> Moreover, what i read in AGHORA was the important thing is not
> suppress desires but remove them from the root
True, suppressing desire will make the desire come back later. But, if one
keeps fulfilling desires, they never end!! This is the nature of desire.
Whether one desires money or knowledge (of anything other than Self) or
physical pleasures, the desire will never end no matter how much one gets.
Removing desire from the root often requires suppressing the desire
temporarily. But the thing to remember from the Aghora book is that just
suppressing desire is not sufficient. Practice suppressing desires, but do
remember that the final goal is to uproot it fully and keep working on it.
> The only reason for which i keep trying for brahamcharya is if
> vimalananda took such a long time probasbly i can also do it , if
> not in 6 years at least in 10-12 years
That is the right spirit!
Spiritual progress involves a lot of things and brahmacharya is one thing.

The most fundamental thing is to overcome ego and not become attached to
things. Developing detachment to one's actions and possessions and
developing a sense of surrender is the most fundamental thing.
There are several things in spiritual progress. They all come together! One
person may develop detachment to actions and possessions and brahmacharya
may become easy as a result. One person may achieve brahmacharya first and
detachment may become easy as a result and come later. Various signs of
spiritual progress come almost together, but the exact order can change from
person to person. Thus, do not be disappointed by your inability to get
something. It may be possible to work it out from another angle!
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Namaste sir
i know you are lot busy but since i couldn;t ask this question on a
public forum as it may probably offend others.
If you have time ,if you could please reply.
I was thinking this for many days

that as mentioned in recent thread on brahamcharya,
it was important to maintain brahamcharya but i wanted to ask that
even vimalananda had to work for 6 years for overcoming lust though
he had his deity with him from the very early in life.
how can normal college going people like me who don't even have a
deity obtain this goal.
Though i try to maintain physical brahamcharya for few months but
after that i am not able to hold it ,
and even if i maintain some physical chastity it refuses to go out
of mind
Moreover, what i read in AGHORA was the important thing is not

suppress desires but remove them from the root
So, how can i finish it completely from my mind
Though i have read Swami Sivananda's book on Practice of Brahamcharya
but i don't think i have made any spiritual progress in maintaing
Brahamcharya
and sometimes it makes me guilt ridden.
The only reason for which i keep trying for brahamcharya is if

vimalananda took such a long time probasbly i can also do it , if
not in 6 years at least in 10-12 years
you can also reply on VEDIC WISDOM group but if you can remove my
identity from this that would be appreciable
if what i worte offended you please delete this mail
regards
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Namaste friends,
Just to remind again, this list is not for discussing Jyotish (Vedic
astrology). For that, use other lists such as vedic-astrology. Please stick
to spiritual discussion here.
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Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Fwd: Narasimha's TP'08 & My Chart connection &
little bit of CK in practise!!!
> --- In sohamsa@yahoogroups.com, "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@...>

> wrote:
>
> Narasimha Garu & others,
> Namaste !!!
>
> let's take a time-off from CK..:-)
>
> a couple of days back, i was going through your 2008 TP chart & TP
> Ashtottari Dasha. few intresting coincidence was noticed which i
> wish to share here.
>
> 1]
>
> -Your TP'08 chart has Digbali Mangal in 10th where as strong Guru in
> 4th in Dhanu.
>
> - Mangal's TPA dasha was on from 10.aug to 5th Sept'08.
>
> Now this is the time when for the first time i was inspired to think
> if you are my spiritual guide (The exact day was 24th Aug,
> Janmashtami day). I wrote you the mail same day asking about it. and
> i got the mail from you accepting me as your disciple on 3rd of sept
> (Ganesh Chaturthi day).
>
> both the above dates falls in the Mangal period, which is in Mithun
> Rashi.
>
> *NOW The main connection is that in my Birth Rashi chart, I have
> Mithun Lagna having Mars and Guru is in Dhanu* the situation exactly
> found in yout TP'08 chart as indicated above.
>
> Adding to the above,Your TP'08 Rashi chart has Kanya Lagna & my
> TP'08 chart has also Kanya Lagna.
>
> 2] Today just thought of seeing the same chart (your TP'08) with 7
> or 8 CK scheme. Honest persuit to see how it shows up.
>
> settings done for 8 CK scheme - Mangal is Pik & Guru is BK hence no
> connection to Shishya. PK is Budha debiliated. period
>
> The chart has no planets on the same degree. so let's apply the rule
> of 7CK which has comeup as a fresh translation.
>
> Mangal becomes MK. if we apply the second rule that MK also acts as
> PK. then things are explained. in Mangal (PK) ATP Dasha you found, a
> Shishya who intrestingly has Mangal in Muthun Lagna.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> No way i am making any judgment about *working in practise* for 7/8
> CK. what i tried is just to apply on the said chart and found
> working nicely. however it is a long way to confirm if it works
> practically or not.
>
> but one thing is for sure that TP works amazingly. this is the one
> tool which i love to use with good confidence.
>
> Is it not another confirmation about GURU, Shishya & Jyotish Shastra?
>
> Aadhyaatmically & Jyotishially yours,
>
> Utpal Pathak
>
> --- End forwarded message ---
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Subject: Re: for guru
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Namaste,
Whether you want a guru to come to you or a deity to come to you, feeling a
strong desire emotionally is important. Use the mental energy.
As Ramakrishna waited for Kali to give him darshan, he used to cry for Her.
He also used to cry as he waited for the arrival of his disciples such as
Naren, Rakhal, Jogin, Tarak etc. The people around him then were unable to
understand his teachings and he knew that his eternal companions who would
spend a few years with him and then spread true spirituality in the world
were yet to come. He waited for several years and used to cry.
A child who is lost by parents at a fair and is alone may cry in pain and
confusion, for parents. If one can become like that child and cry from the
heart for deity or guru, one can get them. If you ask me, that is the best
way.
Some also recommend chanting mantras of Dattatreya or Shiva or Krishna to

get one's guru. One can do that, but feeling from the depths of one's heart
the pain from the pangs of separation is vital.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Subject: [vedic-wisdom] for guru
> Namaste to all,
>
> Can i ask one thing here that is there any simple thing like
> a mantra or some other thing which if done regularly
> will hwlp one take him to his guru and find one guru
> in a physical body
> after all we are not Lord Dattatreya who can take teachings from
> nature.
> If sb like your guru is there he can tell you in simple terms
> what to do for spiritual growth because daily obstacles sometimes
> take away you from your ultimate goal
>
> regards
> jitender

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Subject: questions w.r.t. Homam!!!
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Narasimha Garu,
Namaste,
my Apology for sending the Jyotisha content in th=

is forum.
few questions are arising while doing Homam which is listed as u=

nder;
1)'Suddhaanna Bali' offerings for Parshadas can be consumed later on=
by people as Prasad?
2) 'Two parallel lines' from Homam Kund to Aaasan c=

an be permanent
or required to draw fresh everytime? what does those lines=
mean?
3) 'Remains in Homa Kunad' can be used as *Raksha* or Raksha is onl=

y
considered which is obtained from the procedure given.
4) The problem o=
f disposal of Nirmaalya (Remains of Homam-such as
flowers, Akshataas, etc.=
.)is a issue especially in the city where i
stay, due to local restriction=
s. to put it in a normal garbage is
difficult physcologically. any suggeti=
ons from anybody?
--------------------------------------------------------=
----------
I need to share my experience about Dry coconut pieces. If one t=
akes
a Dray coconut Half and presses it by holding in both Palms, it'll
b=
reak in to 3 to 4 pieces. if required, one can further make one or
two pie=
ces from those again by breaking it by using palms. I've
experinced that t=
hose pieces works out to be very useful (Size wise)
to sustain fire for lo=
ng time hence one can concentrate more in
reciting Mantra then worrying ab=
out sustainance of fire. the another
important advantage is that use of Kn=
ife can be completely avoided.
just one input if it helps some..
Warm Reg=
ards,
utpal

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Namaste
ye disposal of remains of havan which we sometimes do at our home =
is
always a problem
we put(called as VISARJAN in hindi) it in a flowing st=
ream
bur this also gives you a feeling of destroying your environment and =
nature
but one practical solution is,i read somewhere, to bury these thin=
gs
in earth in a small pit
jitender
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroup=
s.com, "utpal pathak"
<vedic_pathak@...> wrote:
>
> Narasimha Garu,
> Nama=
ste,
>
> my Apology for sending the Jyotisha content in this forum.
>
> f=
ew questions are arising while doing Homam which is listed as
under;
>
> =
1)'Suddhaanna Bali' offerings for Parshadas can be consumed later
on
> by=
people as Prasad?
>
> 2) 'Two parallel lines' from Homam Kund to Aaasan c=
an be permanent
> or required to draw fresh everytime? what does those lin=
es mean?
>
> 3) 'Remains in Homa Kunad' can be used as *Raksha* or Raksha =
is
only
> considered which is obtained from the procedure given.
>
> 4) =
The problem of disposal of Nirmaalya (Remains of Homam-such as
> flowers, =
Akshataas, etc..)is a issue especially in the city where
i
> stay, due to=
local restrictions. to put it in a normal garbage is
> difficult physcolo=
gically. any suggetions from anybody?
>
> --------------------------------=
----------------------------------
> I need to share my experience about Dr=
y coconut pieces. If one
takes
> a Dray coconut Half and presses it by ho=
lding in both Palms, it'll
> break in to 3 to 4 pieces. if required, one c=
an further make one
or
> two pieces from those again by breaking it by us=
ing palms. I've
> experinced that those pieces works out to be very useful=
(Size
wise)
> to sustain fire for long time hence one can concentrate mo=
re in
> reciting Mantra then worrying about sustainance of fire. the
anot=
her
> important advantage is that use of Knife can be completely avoided.
=
>
> just one input if it helps some..
>
> Warm Regards,
> utpal
>
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Namaste,
(1) No. Any food offered as bali (as opposed to "naivedyam" to a deity) is
usually not consumed. It is thrown away. If you live in woods, throw it away
in the open so animals can eat it. Otheriwse, throw it in garbage.
On the other hand, "naivedyam" offered to god can be consumed by people as

prasad.
(2) Either is fine. They symbolize the path of shakti moving from you to the
fire and vice versa.
(3) Either is fine.
(4) Whether it is our bodies or flowers/akshatas used in a pooja, everything

has a purpose and it has to go when its purpose is served. That's the nature
of life. While the flowers and akshatas are used in homam, they are
sacrosanct and should be handled with care, love and respect. After they
serve their purpose, they have to be disposed of however one can. Throwing
in garbage is fine if you ask me. Another way is to collect them in a bag
until you accumulate a good amount and burn them oneday. If you have a local
temple, you can go and see if you can throw them wherever they throw the
flowers etc they use at the temple.
The ashes from the homam are considered sacred. They contain *some* of the
energy generated from the homam. The best way to dispose the ashes is to
throw them into a flowing stream of water (a river or an ocean). This
ensures that the energy is not localized to one place and is distributed
back to the Nature. Another thing some people do is to dig a deep pit in the
yard and bury the ashes. It restricts the energy to the place and not a
great idea. Please remember that the energy in the ashes is only a *part* of
the energy generated. Some energy is also within the person performing homam
and helps to purify the person. Giving some part back to the nature is a
very good idea.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 7:18 AM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] questions w.r.t. Homam!!!
> Narasimha Garu,

> Namaste,
>
> my Apology for sending the Jyotisha content in this forum.
>
> few questions are arising while doing Homam which is listed as under;
>
> 1)'Suddhaanna Bali' offerings for Parshadas can be consumed later on
> by people as Prasad?
>
> 2) 'Two parallel lines' from Homam Kund to Aaasan can be permanent
> or required to draw fresh everytime? what does those lines mean?
>
> 3) 'Remains in Homa Kunad' can be used as *Raksha* or Raksha is only
> considered which is obtained from the procedure given.
>
> 4) The problem of disposal of Nirmaalya (Remains of Homam-such as
> flowers, Akshataas, etc..)is a issue especially in the city where i
> stay, due to local restrictions. to put it in a normal garbage is
> difficult physcologically. any suggetions from anybody?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> I need to share my experience about Dry coconut pieces. If one takes
> a Dray coconut Half and presses it by holding in both Palms, it'll
> break in to 3 to 4 pieces. if required, one can further make one or
> two pieces from those again by breaking it by using palms. I've
> experinced that those pieces works out to be very useful (Size wise)
> to sustain fire for long time hence one can concentrate more in
> reciting Mantra then worrying about sustainance of fire. the another
> important advantage is that use of Knife can be completely avoided.
>
>
> Warm Regards,
> utpal

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Dear Narasimhaji
=C2=A0
I have a question about Homa. In the middle of the =
homa, during the homa if the fire goes out, like there is no body of the fi=
re in the kunda then but only the red embers, which sometimes inspite of dr=
opping ghee does not light up again but goes only creating heavy smoke. Wha=
t should one do in such a situation. Light the fire again from the lamp? Or=
leave the homa incomplete.
Also is this some kind of an inauspicious sign?=
=C2=A0
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=C2=A0Rajarshi
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rue!" - Hamlet
--- On Sun, 2/11/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...>=

wrote:

m] Re: questions w.r.t. Homam!!!
Date: Sun=
day, 2 November, 2008, 3:44 AM
Namaste,
(1) No. Any food offered as =

bali (as opposed to "naivedyam" to a deity) is
usually not consumed. It is=
thrown away. If you live in woods, throw it away
in the open so animals c=
an eat it. Otheriwse, throw it in garbage.
On the other hand, "naivedyam" =

offered to god can be consumed by people as
prasad.
(2) Either is fine. T=

hey symbolize the path of shakti moving from you to the
fire and vice vers=
a.
(3) Either is fine.
(4) Whether it is our bodies or flowers/akshatas u=

sed in a pooja, everything
has a purpose and it has to go when its purpose=
is served. That's the nature
of life. While the flowers and akshatas are =
used in homam, they are
sacrosanct and should be handled with care, love a=
nd respect. After they
serve their purpose, they have to be disposed of ho=
wever one can. Throwing
in garbage is fine if you ask me. Another way is t=
o collect them in a bag
until you accumulate a good amount and burn them o=
neday. If you have a local
temple, you can go and see if you can throw the=
m wherever they throw the
flowers etc they use at the temple.
The ashes f=
rom the homam are considered sacred. They contain *some* of the
energy gen=
erated from the homam. The best way to dispose the ashes is to
throw them =
into a flowing stream of water (a river or an ocean). This
ensures that th=
e energy is not localized to one place and is distributed
back to the Natu=
re. Another thing some people do is to dig a deep pit in the
yard and bury=
the ashes. It restricts the energy to the place and not a
great idea. Ple=
ase remember that the energy in the ashes is only a *part* of
the energy g=
enerated. Some energy is also within the person performing homam
and helps=
to purify the person. Giving some part back to the nature is a
very good =
idea.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Sent: Sa=
turday, November 01, 2008 7:18 AM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] questions w.r.t. =
Homam!!!
> Narasimha Garu,

> Namaste,
>
> my Apology for sending the Jyoti=
sha content in this forum.
>
> few questions are arising while doing Homam =
which is listed as under;
>
> 1)'Suddhaanna Bali' offerings for Parshadas c=
an be consumed later on
> by people as Prasad?
>
> 2) 'Two parallel lines' =
from Homam Kund to Aaasan can be permanent
> or required to draw fresh ever=
ytime? what does those lines mean?
>
> 3) 'Remains in Homa Kunad' can be us=
ed as *Raksha* or Raksha is only
> considered which is obtained from the pr=
ocedure given.
>
> 4) The problem of disposal of Nirmaalya (Remains of Homa=
m-such as
> flowers, Akshataas, etc..)is a issue especially in the city whe=
re i
> stay, due to local restrictions. to put it in a normal garbage is
> =
difficult physcologically. any suggetions from anybody?
>
> ------------ --=
------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
> I need to share my expe=
rience about Dry coconut pieces. If one takes
> a Dray coconut Half and pre=
sses it by holding in both Palms, it'll
> break in to 3 to 4 pieces. if req=
uired, one can further make one or
> two pieces from those again by breakin=
g it by using palms. I've
> experinced that those pieces works out to be ve=
ry useful (Size wise)
> to sustain fire for long time hence one can concent=
rate more in
> reciting Mantra then worrying about sustainance of fire. the=
another
> important advantage is that use of Knife can be completely avoid=
ed.
>
>
> Warm Regards,
> utpal
=
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<DIV> </DIV>=
<DIV>I have a question about Homa. In the middle of the homa, during the h=
oma if the fire goes out, like there is no body of the fire in the kunda th=
en but only the red embers, which sometimes inspite of dropping ghee does n=
ot light up again but goes only creating heavy smoke. What should one do in=
such a situation. Light the fire again from the lamp? Or leave the homa in=
complete.</DIV>
<DIV>Also is this some kind of an inauspicious sign? </DIV>=
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<D=
IV><EM><STRONG>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10=
pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This above all: to thine own self b=
e true!" - Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <=
B>Sun, 2/11/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@...></I></B> wro=
te:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LE=
FT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...=
t><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: questions w.r.t. Homam!!!<BR>To: vedic=
-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Sunday, 2 November, 2008, 3:44 AM<BR><BR>
=
<DIV id=3Dyiv1478512184>
<DIV>Namaste,<BR><BR>(1) No. =
Any food offered as bali (as opposed to "naivedyam" to a deity) is <BR>usua=
lly not consumed. It is thrown away. If you live in woods, throw it away <B=
R>in the open so animals can eat it. Otheriwse, throw it in garbage.<BR><BR=
>On the other hand, "naivedyam" offered to god can be consumed by people as=
<BR>prasad.<BR><BR>(2) Either is fine. They symbolize the path of shakti m=
oving from you to the <BR>fire and vice versa.<BR><BR>(3) Either is fine.<B=
R><BR>(4) Whether it is our bodies or flowers/akshatas used in a pooja, eve=
rything <BR>has a purpose and it has to go when its purpose is served. That=
's the nature <BR>of life. While the flowers and akshatas are used in homam=
, they are <BR>sacrosanct and should be handled with care, love and respect=
. After they <BR>serve their purpose, they have to be disposed of however o=
ne can. Throwing <BR>in garbage is fine if you ask me. Another way is to co=
llect them in a bag <BR>until you
accumulate a good amount and burn them o=
neday. If you have a local <BR>temple, you can go and see if you can throw =
them wherever they throw the <BR>flowers etc they use at the temple.<BR><BR=
>The ashes from the homam are considered sacred. They contain *some* of the=
<BR>energy generated from the homam. The best way to dispose the ashes is =
to <BR>throw them into a flowing stream of water (a river or an ocean). Thi=
s <BR>ensures that the energy is not localized to one place and is distribu=
ted <BR>back to the Nature. Another thing some people do is to dig a deep p=
it in the <BR>yard and bury the ashes. It restricts the energy to the place=
and not a <BR>great idea. Please remember that the energy in the ashes is =
only a *part* of <BR>the energy generated. Some energy is also within the p=
erson performing homam <BR>and helps to purify the person. Giving some part=
back to the nature is a <BR>very good idea.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR>Narasi=
mha<BR>------------
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t;<BR>> my Apology for sending the Jyotisha content in this forum.<BR>&g=
t;<BR>> few questions are arising while doing Homam which is listed as u=
nder;<BR>><BR>> 1)'Suddhaanna Bali' offerings for Parshadas can be co=
nsumed later on<BR>> by people as Prasad?<BR>><BR>> 2) 'Two parall=
el lines' from Homam Kund to Aaasan can be permanent<BR>> or required to=
draw fresh everytime? what does those lines mean?<BR>><BR>> 3) 'Rema=
ins in Homa Kunad' can be used as *Raksha* or Raksha is
only<BR>> consi=
dered which is obtained from the procedure given.<BR>><BR>> 4) The pr=
oblem of disposal of Nirmaalya (Remains of Homam-such as<BR>> flowers, A=
kshataas, etc..)is a issue especially in the city where i<BR>> stay, due=
to local restrictions. to put it in a normal garbage is<BR>> difficult =
physcologically. any suggetions from anybody?<BR>><BR>> ------------ =
--------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -<BR>> I need to share=
my experience about Dry coconut pieces. If one takes<BR>> a Dray coconu=
t Half and presses it by holding in both Palms, it'll<BR>> break in to 3=
to 4 pieces. if required, one can further make one or<BR>> two pieces f=
rom those again by breaking it by using palms. I've<BR>> experinced that=
those pieces works out to be very useful (Size wise)<BR>> to sustain fi=
re for long time hence one can concentrate more in<BR>> reciting Mantra =
then worrying about sustainance of fire. the
another<BR>> important adv=
antage is that use of Knife can be completely avoided.<BR>><BR>> just=
one input if it helps some..<BR>><BR>> Warm Regards,<BR>> utpal<B=
R><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table><br>
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i have recently found a way to find a way to know ISHTA DEVAT=
A
through jyotish but how should i make transition from deity to whom
i p=
raying at present to the one i have got to know as my ISHTA DEVATA
I mean =
what should say at present to my deity which i chose earlier
though i don't=
do so many rituals for worshipping just sitting in
siddhasana and chantin=
g his mantras
And in recent posts i liked one thing a lot

"if you want, d=
ig deep in one place.Don't dig one foot in one place,
another foot in anot=
her place and so on".
and i have also decide to that

But what should i say=
to all those deities i have been praying and
chanting their chalisas and =
mantras
should i ask for forgiveness and continue to just one deity(my isht=
a
devata which i have just found)
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Namaste Rajarshi,
When faced with any such situation ... important point .=

.. never
nerver abandon your Homa!! You actually have taken a samkalpam
(vo=
w/resolution) that you will do the homa (homakarma karishye) ... so
never e=
ver abandon it!!
Secondly, these things happen early on in our attempts. A=

s one gains
experience, it becomes easy to maintain the fire. In such situa=
tions
as you mentioned, I keep camphor handy. Usually, powedering the
camph=
or and sprinkling will rejuvenate the fire due to the embers,
else, light t=
he camphor capsule using the deepa and offer it in the
homa kundam.
Proble=
m Solved ... move ahead with your Homa and complete it.
Regards
-Narayan-
=

wro=
te:
>
> Dear Narasimhaji
> =C2=A0
> I have a question about Homa. In the mi=
ddle of the homa, during the
homa if the fire goes out, like there is no bo=
dy of the fire in the
kunda then but only the red embers, which sometimes i=
nspite of
dropping ghee does not light up again but goes only creating heav=
y
smoke. What should one do in such a situation. Light the fire again
from =
the lamp? Or leave the homa incomplete.
> Also is this some kind of an inau=
spicious sign?
> =C2=A0
> -Regards
> =C2=A0Rajarshi
>
>
>
> "This above=
all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet
>
> --- On Sun, 2/11/08, Narasi=
mha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrote:
>
>=
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: questions w.r.t. Homam!!!
> To: vedic-wisdom@y=
ahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, 2 November, 2008, 3:44 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
=
> Namaste,
>
> (1) No. Any food offered as bali (as opposed to "naivedyam"=
to a
deity) is
> usually not consumed. It is thrown away. If you live in =
woods, throw
it away
> in the open so animals can eat it. Otheriwse, throw=
it in garbage.
>
> On the other hand, "naivedyam" offered to god can be c=
onsumed by
people as
> prasad.
>
> (2) Either is fine. They symbolize the=
path of shakti moving from
you to the
> fire and vice versa.
>
> (3) Eit=
her is fine.
>
> (4) Whether it is our bodies or flowers/akshatas used in =
a pooja,
everything
> has a purpose and it has to go when its purpose is s=
erved. That's
the nature
> of life. While the flowers and akshatas are use=
d in homam, they are
> sacrosanct and should be handled with care, love an=
d respect. After
they
> serve their purpose, they have to be disposed of h=
owever one can.
Throwing
> in garbage is fine if you ask me. Another way i=
s to collect them in
a bag
> until you accumulate a good amount and burn t=
hem oneday. If you have
a local
> temple, you can go and see if you can th=
row them wherever they throw
the
> flowers etc they use at the temple.
>
=
> The ashes from the homam are considered sacred. They contain *some*
of th=
e
> energy generated from the homam. The best way to dispose the ashes
is =
to
> throw them into a flowing stream of water (a river or an ocean). This=
> ensures that the energy is not localized to one place and is
distribute=
d
> back to the Nature. Another thing some people do is to dig a deep
pit =
in the
> yard and bury the ashes. It restricts the energy to the place and=
not a
> great idea. Please remember that the energy in the ashes is only =
a
*part* of
> the energy generated. Some energy is also within the person
=
performing homam
> and helps to purify the person. Giving some part back t=
o the nature
is a
> very good idea.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> -----=
------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
> Do a Short Ho=
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yo=
urself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana
> Spirituality: http://gro=
> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://ve=
dicastro. home.comcast. net
> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.V=
edicAst rologer.org
an nath.org
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------=
- -
>
> From: "utpal pathak" <vedic_patha=
k@ yahoo.com>
> To: <vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Saturday, Nove=
mber 01, 2008 7:18 AM
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] questions w.r.t. Homam!!!
>=
> > Narasimha Garu,

> > Namaste,
> >
> > my Apology for sending the Jyoti=
sha content in this forum.
> >
> > few questions are arising while doing Ho=
mam which is listed as under;
> >
> > 1)'Suddhaanna Bali' offerings for Par=
shadas can be consumed later on
> > by people as Prasad?
> >
> > 2) 'Two pa=
rallel lines' from Homam Kund to Aaasan can be permanent
> > or required to=
draw fresh everytime? what does those lines mean?
> >
> > 3) 'Remains in H=
oma Kunad' can be used as *Raksha* or Raksha is only
> > considered which i=
s obtained from the procedure given.
> >
> > 4) The problem of disposal of =
Nirmaalya (Remains of Homam-such as
> > flowers, Akshataas, etc..)is a issu=
e especially in the city where i
> > stay, due to local restrictions. to pu=
t it in a normal garbage is
> > difficult physcologically. any suggetions f=
rom anybody?
> >
> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -=
-------- -
> > I need to share my experience about Dry coconut pieces. If o=
ne takes
> > a Dray coconut Half and presses it by holding in both Palms, i=
t'll
> > break in to 3 to 4 pieces. if required, one can further make one o=
r
> > two pieces from those again by breaking it by using palms. I've
> > e=
xperinced that those pieces works out to be very useful (Size wise)
> > to =
sustain fire for long time hence one can concentrate more in
> > reciting M=
antra then worrying about sustainance of fire. the another
> > important ad=
vantage is that use of Knife can be completely avoided.
> >
> > just one in=
put if it helps some..
> >
> > Warm Regards,
> > utpal
>
>
>
>
>
>
>=
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Add more friends to your messenger and=
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>

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Subject: Homam n Daily Japa
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Namaste
1) If i can't perform the homama of Mahalaksmi

can i perform the=
chanting of mahalakshmi ashtakam
or 108 names or sri sooktam(any one of t=
hem)
are they allowed for daily chanting or they are for homam purpose onl=
y
and if yes , then even while chanting them mentally

di i have to speak S=
VAHA also
2) though i will chant them whatever intonation will come easy t=

o me
but if any of the group member knows their correct intonation
and if =
possibly can record them
then please,its my request, do let me know

2008 17:13:04 -0000
2008 17:13:04 -0000
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:13:02 -0000
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Subject: Re: Homam n Daily Japa
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Dear Sir,
MahaLakshmi Ashtottadashnaam (108 Names) can be recited without =
saying 'Swaha'. Infact Narasimha Garu is eciting 108 Names for 108
times =
Every Friday for last 13 years or so..
I think you can recite either 108 N=

ames or SriSukt or Mahalakshmi
Ashtakam or anyother prayer....the point is=
stcking to one generally
and consistency.
just for the inspiration.
reg=
ards
Utpal
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "dahiyajiten" <dahiyaji=

ten@...>
wrote:
>
> Namaste
>
>
> 1) If i can't perform the homama of M=
ahalaksmi
> can i perform the chanting of mahalakshmi ashtakam
> or 108 na=
mes or sri sooktam(any one of them)
>
> are they allowed for daily chantin=
g or they are for homam purpose
only
>
> and if yes , then even while cha=
nting them mentally
> di i have to speak SVAHA also
>
> 2) though i will c=
hant them whatever intonation will come easy to
me
> but if any of the gro=
up member knows their correct intonation
> and if possibly can record them=
> then please,its my request, do let me know

>

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nkalpa is takne before I start so you are so correct. Actually today while =
doing homa this kind of a situation happened with me, and for a moment I wa=
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From: naaraayana_iyer <narayan.iyer@...>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: =
questions w.r.t. Homam!!!
Date: Sunday, 2 =
November, 2008, 10:02 PM
Namaste Rajarshi,
When faced with any such =

situation ... important point ... never
nerver abandon your Homa!! You actu=
ally have taken a samkalpam
(vow/resolution) that you will do the homa (hom=
akarma karishye) ... so
never ever abandon it!!
Secondly, these things hap=

pen early on in our attempts. As one gains
experience, it becomes easy to m=
aintain the fire. In such situations
as you mentioned, I keep camphor handy=
. Usually, powedering the
camphor and sprinkling will rejuvenate the fire d=
ue to the embers,
else, light the camphor capsule using the deepa and offer=
it in the
homa kundam.
Problem Solved ... move ahead with your Homa and c=

omplete it.
Regards
-Narayan-
--- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, raja=

rshi nandy <rajarshi14@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Narasimhaji
> =C3=82=C2=A0
> I=
have a question about Homa. In the middle of the homa, during the
homa if =
the fire goes out, like there is no body of the fire in the
kunda then but =
only the red embers, which sometimes inspite of
dropping ghee does not ligh=
t up again but goes only creating heavy
smoke. What should one do in such a=
situation. Light the fire again
from the lamp? Or leave the homa incomplet=
e.
> Also is this some kind of an inauspicious sign?
> =C3=82=C2=A0
> -Reg=
ards
> =C3=82=C2=A0Rajarshi
>
>
>
> "This above all: to thine own self b=
e true!" - Hamlet
>
> --- On Sun, 2/11/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> =
wrote:
>
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] =
Re: questions w.r.t. Homam!!!
> Date: =
Sunday, 2 November, 2008, 3:44 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Namaste,
>
> (1) No.=
Any food offered as bali (as opposed to "naivedyam" to a
deity) is
> usua=
lly not consumed. It is thrown away. If you live in woods, throw
it away
>=
in the open so animals can eat it. Otheriwse, throw it in garbage.
>
> On=
the other hand, "naivedyam" offered to god can be consumed by
people as
>=
prasad.
>
> (2) Either is fine. They symbolize the path of shakti moving =
from
you to the
>
> (3) Either is fine.
>
> (4) W=
hether it is our bodies or flowers/akshatas used in a pooja,
everything
> =
has a purpose and it has to go when its purpose is served. That's
the natur=
e
> of life. While the flowers and akshatas are used in homam, they are
>=
sacrosanct and should be handled with care, love and respect. After
they
=
> serve their purpose, they have to be disposed of however one can.
Throwin=
g
> in garbage is fine if you ask me. Another way is to collect them in
a =
bag
> until you accumulate a good amount and burn them oneday. If you have=
a local
> temple, you can go and see if you can throw them wherever they =
throw
the
> flowers etc they use at the temple.
>
> The ashes from the ho=
mam are considered sacred. They contain *some*
of the
> energy generated f=
rom the homam. The best way to dispose the ashes
is to
> throw them into a=
flowing stream of water (a river or an ocean). This
> ensures that the en=
ergy is not localized to one place and is
distributed
> back to the Nature=
. Another thing some people do is to dig a deep
pit in the
> yard and bury=
the ashes. It restricts the energy to the place and not a
> great idea. P=
lease remember that the energy in the ashes is only a
*part* of
> the ener=
gy generated. Some energy is also within the person
performing homam
> and=
helps to purify the person. Giving some part back to the nature
is a
> ve=
ry good idea.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
> ------------ --------- -----=
---- --------- --------- --------- -
> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://ww=
w.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.Vedi=
cAst rologer.org/ tarpana
> Spirituality: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/v=
edic- wisdom
> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast.=
net
> S=
> ---------=
--- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
>
> ----- Origina=
l Message -----
> From: "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@ yahoo.com>
> To: <ve=
dic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 7:18 AM
>=
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] questions w.r.t. Homam!!!
>
> > Narasimha Garu,
>=
> Namaste,
> >
> > my Apology for sending the Jyotisha content in this for=
um.
> >
> > few questions are arising while doing Homam which is listed as =
under;
> >
> > 1)'Suddhaanna Bali' offerings for Parshadas can be consumed =
later on
> >
> > 2) 'Two parallel lines' from Homa=
m Kund to Aaasan can be permanent
> > or required to draw fresh everytime? =
what does those lines mean?
> >
> > 3) 'Remains in Homa Kunad' can be used =
as *Raksha* or Raksha is only
> > considered which is obtained from the pro=
cedure given.
> >
> > 4) The problem of disposal of Nirmaalya (Remains of H=
omam-such as
> > flowers, Akshataas, etc..)is a issue especially in the cit=
y where i
> > stay, due to local restrictions. to put it in a normal garbag=
e is
> > difficult physcologically. any suggetions from anybody?
> >
> > --=
---------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
> > I need t=
o share my experience about Dry coconut pieces. If one takes
> > a Dray coc=
onut Half and presses it by holding in both Palms, it'll
> > break in to 3 =
to 4 pieces. if required, one can further make one or
> > two pieces from t=
hose again by breaking it by using palms. I've
> > experinced that those pi=
eces works out to be very useful (Size wise)
> > to sustain fire for long t=
ime hence one can concentrate more in
> > reciting Mantra then worrying abo=
ut sustainance of fire. the another
> > important advantage is that use of =
Knife can be completely avoided.
> >
> > just one input if it helps some..
=
> >
> > Warm Regards,
> > utpal
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>=
>
> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Dear Narayan</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DI=
V>THANK YOU so much for your words and advice. Yes the sankalpa is takne be=
fore I start so you are so correct. Actually today while doing homa this ki=
nd of a situation happened with me, and for a moment I was in a dilema abou=
t what to do but then I rekindlied the fire. Mentally i was feeling confuse=
d because at that point I did not know what is the right course of action. =
So I thought of asking in this forum to Narasimhaji. Thank you once again f=
or explaining. Jai Vatuk Bhairav.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DI=
V>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR> </DIV>
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IV><EM><STRONG>
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pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This above all: to thine own self b=
e true!" - Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <=
B>Sun, 2/11/08, naaraayana_iyer <I><narayan.iyer@...></I></B> w=
rote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-=
LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: naaraayana_iyer <narayan.iyer@gmai=
l.com><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: questions w.r.t. Homam!!!<BR>To: v=
edic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Sunday, 2 November, 2008, 10:02 PM<BR>=
<BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv121228357>
<DIV>Namaste Rajarshi,<BR=
><BR>When faced with any such situation ... important point ... never<BR>ne=
rver abandon your Homa!! You actually have taken a samkalpam<BR>(vow/resolu=
tion) that you will do the homa (homakarma karishye) ... so<BR>never ever a=
bandon it!!<BR><BR>Secondly, these things happen early on in our attempts. =
As one gains<BR>experience, it becomes easy to maintain the fire. In such s=
ituations<BR>as you mentioned, I keep camphor handy. Usually, powedering th=
e<BR>camphor and sprinkling will rejuvenate the fire due to the embers,<BR>=
else, light the camphor capsule using the deepa and offer it in the<BR>homa=
kundam.<BR><BR>Problem Solved ... move ahead with your Homa and complete i=
t.<BR><BR>Regards<BR>-Narayan-<BR><BR>--- In <A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom=
%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroup=
s. com</A>, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@ ...><BR>wrote:<BR>><BR>>=
; Dear Narasimhaji<BR>> =C3=82 <BR>> I
have a question about Ho=
ma. In the middle of the homa, during the<BR>homa if the fire goes out, lik=
e there is no body of the fire in the<BR>kunda then but only the red embers=
, which sometimes inspite of<BR>dropping ghee does not light up again but g=
oes only creating heavy<BR>smoke. What should one do in such a situation. L=
ight the fire again<BR>from the lamp? Or leave the homa incomplete.<BR>>=
Also is this some kind of an inauspicious sign? <BR>> =C3=82 <BR>&=
gt; -Regards<BR>> =C3=82 Rajarshi<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>=
; "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet<BR>> <BR>> --=
- On Sun, 2/11/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...> wrote:<BR>> <BR>=
> From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...><BR>> Subject: [vedic-wis=
dom] Re: questions w.r.t. Homam!!!<BR>> To: <A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisd=
om%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogro=
ups. com</A><BR>> Date: Sunday, 2 November, 2008, 3:44
AM<BR>> <BR>&=
gt; <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Namaste,<BR>> <BR>> =
(1) No. Any food offered as bali (as opposed to "naivedyam" to a<BR>deity) =
is <BR>> usually not consumed. It is thrown away. If you live in woods, =
throw<BR>it away <BR>> in the open so animals can eat it. Otheriwse, thr=
ow it in garbage.<BR>> <BR>> On the other hand, "naivedyam" offered t=
o god can be consumed by<BR>people as <BR>> prasad.<BR>> <BR>> (2)=
Either is fine. They symbolize the path of shakti moving from<BR>you to th=
e <BR>> fire and vice versa.<BR>> <BR>> (3) Either is fine.<BR>>=
; <BR>> (4) Whether it is our bodies or flowers/akshatas used in a pooja=
,<BR>everything <BR>> has a purpose and it has to go when its purpose is=
served. That's<BR>the nature <BR>> of life. While the flowers and aksha=
tas are used in homam, they are <BR>> sacrosanct and should be handled w=
ith care, love and respect. After<BR>they <BR>>
serve their purpose, th=
ey have to be disposed of however one can.<BR>Throwing <BR>> in garbage =
is fine if you ask me. Another way is to collect them in<BR>a bag <BR>> =
until you accumulate a good amount and burn them oneday. If you have<BR>a l=
ocal <BR>> temple, you can go and see if you can throw them wherever the=
y throw<BR>the <BR>> flowers etc they use at the temple.<BR>> <BR>>=
; The ashes from the homam are considered sacred. They contain *some*<BR>of=
the <BR>> energy generated from the homam. The best way to dispose the =
ashes<BR>is to <BR>> throw them into a flowing stream of water (a river =
or an ocean). This <BR>> ensures that the energy is not localized to one=
place and is<BR>distributed <BR>> back to the Nature. Another thing som=
e people do is to dig a deep<BR>pit in the <BR>> yard and bury the ashes=
. It restricts the energy to the place and not a <BR>> great idea. Pleas=
e remember that the energy in the ashes is
only a<BR>*part* of <BR>> th=
e energy generated. Some energy is also within the person<BR>performing hom=
am <BR>> and helps to purify the person. Giving some part back to the na=
ture<BR>is a <BR>> very good idea.<BR>> <BR>> Best regards,<BR>>=
; Narasimha<BR>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --=
------- -<BR>> Do a Short Homam Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicast=
/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst</A> rologer.org/ homa=
m<BR>> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <A href=3D"http://www.vedicast/" targ=
et=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst</A> rologer.org/ tarpana<BR>=
> Spirituality: <A href=3D"http://groups./" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofoll=
ow>http://groups.</A> yahoo.com/ group/vedic- wisdom<BR>> Free Jyotish l=
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te: <A href=3D"http://www.srijagan/" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://=
www.SriJagan</A> nath.org<BR>> ------------ --------- --------- --------=
- --------- --------- - <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>=
> From: "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@ yahoo.com><BR>> To: <v=
edic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com><BR>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008=
7:18 AM<BR>> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] questions w.r.t. Homam!!!<BR>> =
<BR>> > Narasimha Garu,<BR>> > Namaste,<BR>> ><BR>> &g=
t; my Apology for sending the Jyotisha content in this forum.<BR>> ><=
BR>> > few questions are arising while doing Homam which is listed as=
under;<BR>> ><BR>> > 1)'Suddhaanna Bali' offerings for Parshad=
as can be consumed later on<BR>> > by people as Prasad?<BR>> ><=
BR>> > 2) 'Two parallel lines' from Homam Kund to
Aaasan can be perm=
anent<BR>> > or required to draw fresh everytime? what does those lin=
es mean?<BR>> ><BR>> > 3) 'Remains in Homa Kunad' can be used a=
s *Raksha* or Raksha is only<BR>> > considered which is obtained from=
the procedure given.<BR>> ><BR>> > 4) The problem of disposal =
of Nirmaalya (Remains of Homam-such as<BR>> > flowers, Akshataas, etc=
..)is a issue especially in the city where i<BR>> > stay, due to loca=
l restrictions. to put it in a normal garbage is<BR>> > difficult phy=
scologically. any suggetions from anybody?<BR>> ><BR>> > ------=
------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -<BR>> > I n=
eed to share my experience about Dry coconut pieces. If one takes<BR>> &=
gt; a Dray coconut Half and presses it by holding in both Palms, it'll<BR>&=
gt; > break in to 3 to 4 pieces. if required, one can further make one o=
r<BR>> > two pieces from those again by
breaking it by using palms. =
I've<BR>> > experinced that those pieces works out to be very useful =
(Size wise)<BR>> > to sustain fire for long time hence one can concen=
trate more in<BR>> > reciting Mantra then worrying about sustainance =
of fire. the another<BR>> > important advantage is that use of Knife =
can be completely avoided.<BR>> ><BR>> > just one input if it h=
elps some..<BR>> ><BR>> > Warm Regards,<BR>> > utpal<BR>&=
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Namaste,
1. Yes, you can do japa of any of them. Remove swaha when doing japam.
2. Sree sooktam has an intonation, which is marked in the Mahalakshmi homam

document. Other two have no intonation, i.e. you can read as you want.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 12:07 PM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Homam n Daily Japa
> Namaste
>
> 1) If i can't perform the homama of Mahalaksmi
> can i perform the chanting of mahalakshmi ashtakam
> or 108 names or sri sooktam(any one of them)
>
> are they allowed for daily chanting or they are for homam purpose only
>
> and if yes , then even while chanting them mentally
> di i have to speak SVAHA also
>
> 2) though i will chant them whatever intonation will come easy to me
> but if any of the group member knows their correct intonation
> and if possibly can record them
> then please,its my request, do let me know

2008 19:59:16 -0000
2008 19:59:16 -0000
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 19:59:14 -0000
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MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199147176; y=akAclQ6qd-xI40QHuT927lRE7-
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Namaste Garu,
in Mahalskhmi, ShriKrishna & Shani Homam, you have specifica=

lly
recommended to recite any one of the Mantra and stick to it rather
th=
an doing several mantra/stotra during homam.
should the same guideline be =

assumed for MahaGanapati Homam Document?
I mean is it better to stick to A=

NY ONE mantra (root or vaidic or
Atharvashirsh) instead of performing all =
the three with selected
counts?
hope not irritating you.
yours,
utpal

<pvr@...> wr=
ote:
>
> Namaste,
>
> (1) No. Any food offered as bali (as opposed to "nai=
vedyam" to a
deity) is
> usually not consumed. It is thrown away. If you =
live in woods,
throw it away
> in the open so animals can eat it. Otheriw=
se, throw it in garbage.
>
> On the other hand, "naivedyam" offered to god=
can be consumed by
people as
> prasad.
>
> (2) Either is fine. They sym=
bolize the path of shakti moving from
you to the
>=

>
> (4) Whether it is our bodies or flowers/akshat=
as used in a pooja,
everything
> has a purpose and it has to go when its =
purpose is served. That's
the nature
> of life. While the flowers and aks=
hatas are used in homam, they
are
> sacrosanct and should be handled with=
care, love and respect.
After they
> serve their purpose, they have to b=
e disposed of however one can.
Throwing
> in garbage is fine if you ask m=
e. Another way is to collect them
in a bag
> until you accumulate a good =
amount and burn them oneday. If you
have a local
> temple, you can go and=
see if you can throw them wherever they
throw the
> flowers etc they use=
at the temple.
>
> The ashes from the homam are considered sacred. They c=
ontain
*some* of the
> energy generated from the homam. The best way to d=
ispose the ashes
is to
> throw them into a flowing stream of water (a riv=
er or an ocean).
This
> ensures that the energy is not localized to one p=
lace and is
distributed
> back to the Nature. Another thing some people d=
o is to dig a deep
pit in the
> yard and bury the ashes. It restricts the=
energy to the place and
not a
> great idea. Please remember that the ene=
rgy in the ashes is only a
*part* of
> the energy generated. Some energy =
is also within the person
performing homam
> and helps to purify the pers=
on. Giving some part back to the
nature is a
> very good idea.
>
> Best =
regards,
> Narasimha
> ----------------------------------------------------=
--------------
> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/=
homam
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
=
> Free Jyotish l=
> ------------------------------------------=
------------------------
>
> From: "utpal=
pathak" <vedic_pathak@...>
> Sent: Sa=
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] questions w.r.t=
. Homam!!!
>
>
> > Narasimha Garu,
> > Namaste,
> >
> > my Apology for se=
nding the Jyotisha content in this forum.
> >
> > few questions are arising=
while doing Homam which is listed as
under;
> >
> > 1)'Suddhaanna Bali' o=
fferings for Parshadas can be consumed
later on
>=
>
> > 2) 'Two parallel lines' from Homam Kund to Aaasan can be
permanent
=
> > or required to draw fresh everytime? what does those lines mean?
> >
> =
> 3) 'Remains in Homa Kunad' can be used as *Raksha* or Raksha is
only
> >=
> >
> > 4) The prob=
lem of disposal of Nirmaalya (Remains of Homam-such as
> > flowers, Akshata=
as, etc..)is a issue especially in the city
where i
> > stay, due to local=
restrictions. to put it in a normal garbage is
> > difficult physcological=
ly. any suggetions from anybody?
> >
> > ----------------------------------=
-------------------------------
-
> > I need to share my experience about D=
ry coconut pieces. If one
takes
> > a Dray coconut Half and presses it by =
holding in both Palms,
it'll
> > break in to 3 to 4 pieces. if required, o=
ne can further make one
or
> > two pieces from those again by breaking it =
by using palms. I've
> > experinced that those pieces works out to be very =
useful (Size
wise)
> > to sustain fire for long time hence one can concent=
rate more in
> > reciting Mantra then worrying about sustainance of fire. t=
he
another
> > important advantage is that use of Knife can be completely =
avoided.
> >
> >
> > Warm Regards,
>=
> utpal
>

2008 20:06:58 -0000
2008 20:06:58 -0000
20:06:58 -0000
2008 20:06:58 -0000
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:06:56 -0000
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MIME-Version: 1.0
y=IBmk5DcI90jEoYykxyEqwSWeY8V9RlBRq2EJoDUnyNnIcs-6E5ba
Namaste Garu,
in Mahalskhmi, ShriKrishna & Shani Homam, you have specifica=

lly
recommended to recite any one of the Mantra and stick to it rather
th=
an doing several mantra/stotra during homam.
should the same guideline be =

assumed for MahaGanapati Homam Document?
I mean is it better to stick to A=

NY ONE mantra (root or vaidic or
Atharvashirsh) instead of performing all =
the three with selected
counts?
hope not irritating you.
yours,
utpal

<pvr@...> wr=
ote:
>
> Namaste,
>
> (1) No. Any food offered as bali (as opposed to "nai=
vedyam" to a
deity) is
> usually not consumed. It is thrown away. If you =
live in woods,
throw it away
> in the open so animals can eat it. Otheriw=
se, throw it in garbage.
>
> On the other hand, "naivedyam" offered to god=
can be consumed by
people as
> prasad.
>
> (2) Either is fine. They sym=
bolize the path of shakti moving from
you to the
>=

>
> (4) Whether it is our bodies or flowers/akshat=
as used in a pooja,
everything
> has a purpose and it has to go when its =
purpose is served. That's
the nature
> of life. While the flowers and aks=
hatas are used in homam, they
are
> sacrosanct and should be handled with=
care, love and respect.
After they
> serve their purpose, they have to b=
e disposed of however one can.
Throwing
> in garbage is fine if you ask m=
e. Another way is to collect them
in a bag
> until you accumulate a good =
amount and burn them oneday. If you
have a local
> temple, you can go and=
see if you can throw them wherever they
throw the
> flowers etc they use=
at the temple.
>
> The ashes from the homam are considered sacred. They c=
ontain
*some* of the
> energy generated from the homam. The best way to d=
ispose the ashes
is to
> throw them into a flowing stream of water (a riv=
er or an ocean).
This
> ensures that the energy is not localized to one p=
lace and is
distributed
> back to the Nature. Another thing some people d=
o is to dig a deep
pit in the
> yard and bury the ashes. It restricts the=
energy to the place and
not a
> great idea. Please remember that the ene=
rgy in the ashes is only a
*part* of
> the energy generated. Some energy =
is also within the person
performing homam
> and helps to purify the pers=
on. Giving some part back to the
nature is a
> very good idea.
>
> Best =
regards,
> Narasimha
> ----------------------------------------------------=
--------------
> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/=
homam
> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana
=
> Free Jyotish l=
> ------------------------------------------=
------------------------
>
> From: "utpal=
pathak" <vedic_pathak@...>
> Sent: Sa=
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] questions w.r.t=
. Homam!!!
>
>
> > Narasimha Garu,
> > Namaste,
> >
> > my Apology for se=
nding the Jyotisha content in this forum.
> >
> > few questions are arising=
while doing Homam which is listed as
under;
> >
> > 1)'Suddhaanna Bali' o=
fferings for Parshadas can be consumed
later on
>=
>
> > 2) 'Two parallel lines' from Homam Kund to Aaasan can be
permanent
=
> > or required to draw fresh everytime? what does those lines mean?
> >
> =
> 3) 'Remains in Homa Kunad' can be used as *Raksha* or Raksha is
only
> >=
> >
> > 4) The prob=
lem of disposal of Nirmaalya (Remains of Homam-such as
> > flowers, Akshata=
as, etc..)is a issue especially in the city
where i
> > stay, due to local=
restrictions. to put it in a normal garbage is
> > difficult physcological=
ly. any suggetions from anybody?
> >
> > ----------------------------------=
-------------------------------
-
> > I need to share my experience about D=
ry coconut pieces. If one
takes
> > a Dray coconut Half and presses it by =
holding in both Palms,
it'll
> > break in to 3 to 4 pieces. if required, o=
ne can further make one
or
> > two pieces from those again by breaking it =
by using palms. I've
> > experinced that those pieces works out to be very =
useful (Size
wise)
> > to sustain fire for long time hence one can concent=
rate more in
> > reciting Mantra then worrying about sustainance of fire. t=
he
another
> > important advantage is that use of Knife can be completely =
avoided.
> >
> >
> > Warm Regards,
>=
> utpal
>
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Dear Utpal,
Mahaganapathi homam is usually done with multiple mantras. At the very

least, the veda mantra (ganaanaam tvaa) and beeja mantra (om sreem hreem
kleem) are done. If you really want to do only one mantra, that is fine I
suppose.
You can look at it this way: When you do other homas, you first call Ganesha
and offer his mantra and then do the main deity. When you do a homam for
Ganesha himself, you do not do that.
It is a good idea to do a small count of the two mantras atleast. After

doing them for a small count, the focus can be either atharva seersham or
beeja mantra or veda mantra.
Ganesha is the lord of Mooladhara chakra, the earthy plane of consciousness.

Doing different mantras for Ganesha takes care of various aspects of it.
Again, if you want to do only one specific mantra, that is perfectly fine.
Never worry about "irritating".
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 2:59 PM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: questions w.r.t. Homam!!!
> Namaste Garu,

>
> in Mahalskhmi, ShriKrishna & Shani Homam, you have specifically
> recommended to recite any one of the Mantra and stick to it rather
> than doing several mantra/stotra during homam.
>
> should the same guideline be assumed for MahaGanapati Homam Document?
>
> I mean is it better to stick to ANY ONE mantra (root or vaidic or
> Atharvashirsh) instead of performing all the three with selected
> counts?
>
> hope not irritating you.
>
> yours,
>
> utpal
>
>
>
> <pvr@...> wrote:
>>
>> Namaste,
>>
>> (1) No. Any food offered as bali (as opposed to "naivedyam" to a
> deity) is
>> usually not consumed. It is thrown away. If you live in woods,
> throw it away
>> in the open so animals can eat it. Otheriwse, throw it in garbage.
>>
>> On the other hand, "naivedyam" offered to god can be consumed by
> people as
>> prasad.
>>
>> (2) Either is fine. They symbolize the path of shakti moving from
> you to the
>> fire and vice versa.
>>
>> (3) Either is fine.
>>
>> (4) Whether it is our bodies or flowers/akshatas used in a pooja,
> everything
>> has a purpose and it has to go when its purpose is served. That's
> the nature
>> of life. While the flowers and akshatas are used in homam, they
> are
>> sacrosanct and should be handled with care, love and respect.
> After they
>> serve their purpose, they have to be disposed of however one can.
> Throwing
>> in garbage is fine if you ask me. Another way is to collect them
> in a bag
>> until you accumulate a good amount and burn them oneday. If you
> have a local
>> temple, you can go and see if you can throw them wherever they
> throw the
>> flowers etc they use at the temple.
>>
>> The ashes from the homam are considered sacred. They contain
> *some* of the
>> energy generated from the homam. The best way to dispose the ashes
> is to
>> throw them into a flowing stream of water (a river or an ocean).
> This
>> ensures that the energy is not localized to one place and is
> distributed
>> back to the Nature. Another thing some people do is to dig a deep
> pit in the
>> yard and bury the ashes. It restricts the energy to the place and
> not a
>> great idea. Please remember that the energy in the ashes is only a
> *part* of
>> the energy generated. Some energy is also within the person
> performing homam
>> and helps to purify the person. Giving some part back to the
> nature is a
>> very good idea.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Narasimha
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@...>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 7:18 AM
>> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] questions w.r.t. Homam!!!
>>
>>
>> > Narasimha Garu,
>> > Namaste,
>> >
>> > my Apology for sending the Jyotisha content in this forum.
>> >
>> > few questions are arising while doing Homam which is listed as
> under;
>> >
>> > 1)'Suddhaanna Bali' offerings for Parshadas can be consumed
> later on
>> > by people as Prasad?
>> >
>> > 2) 'Two parallel lines' from Homam Kund to Aaasan can be
> permanent
>> > or required to draw fresh everytime? what does those lines mean?
>> >
>> > 3) 'Remains in Homa Kunad' can be used as *Raksha* or Raksha is
> only
>> > considered which is obtained from the procedure given.
>> >
>> > 4) The problem of disposal of Nirmaalya (Remains of Homam-such as
>> > flowers, Akshataas, etc..)is a issue especially in the city
> where i
>> > stay, due to local restrictions. to put it in a normal garbage is
>> > difficult physcologically. any suggetions from anybody?
>> >
>> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> -
>> > I need to share my experience about Dry coconut pieces. If one
> takes
>> > a Dray coconut Half and presses it by holding in both Palms,
> it'll
>> > break in to 3 to 4 pieces. if required, one can further make one
> or
>> > two pieces from those again by breaking it by using palms. I've
>> > experinced that those pieces works out to be very useful (Size
> wise)
>> > to sustain fire for long time hence one can concentrate more in
>> > reciting Mantra then worrying about sustainance of fire. the
> another
>> > important advantage is that use of Knife can be completely
> avoided.
>> >
>> > just one input if it helps some..
>> >
>> > Warm Regards,
>> > utpal
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Namaste Garu,
I am very comfortable and actually enjoying all the three. J=

ust
thought of clearing a technical query.
It actually made me happy to k=

now from you that all the three
mantras are good to recite during homam.
=
Thanks & Reagrds,
Utpal
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha =

P.V.R. Rao"
<pvr@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Utpal,
>
> Mahaganapathi homam is u=
sually done with multiple mantras. At the
very
> least, the veda mantra (=
ganaanaam tvaa) and beeja mantra (om sreem
hreem
> kleem) are done. If yo=
u really want to do only one mantra, that is
fine I
> suppose.
>
> You c=
an look at it this way: When you do other homas, you first
call Ganesha
>=
and offer his mantra and then do the main deity. When you do a
homam for =
> Ganesha himself, you do not do that.

>
> It is a good idea to do a smal=
l count of the two mantras atleast.
After
> doing them for a small count,=
the focus can be either atharva
seersham or
> beeja mantra or veda mantr=
a.
>
> Ganesha is the lord of Mooladhara chakra, the earthy plane of
cons=
ciousness.
> Doing different mantras for Ganesha takes care of various asp=
ects
of it.
>
> Again, if you want to do only one specific mantra, that i=
s
perfectly fine.
>
> Never worry about "irritating".
>
> Best regards,
=
> Narasimha
> -------------------------------------------------------------=
-----
> D=
> Spiritu=
> Free Jyotish software (Windows): =
> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http:/=
> ---------------------------------------------------=
---------------
>
> From: "utpal pathak" =
<vedic_pathak@...>
> Sent: Sunday, Nov=
ember 02, 2008 2:59 PM
> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: questions w.r.t. Homam=
!!!
>
>
> > Namaste Garu,
> >
> > in Mahalskhmi, ShriKrishna & Shani Homa=
m, you have specifically
> > recommended to recite any one of the Mantra an=
d stick to it
rather
> > than doing several mantra/stotra during homam.
> =
>
> > should the same guideline be assumed for MahaGanapati Homam
Document=
?
> >
> > I mean is it better to stick to ANY ONE mantra (root or vaidic or=
> > Atharvashirsh) instead of performing all the three with selected
> > c=
ounts?
> >
> > hope not irritating you.
> >
> > yours,
> >
> > utpal
> >
> =
>
> >
> > --- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
> > <=
pvr@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Namaste,
> >>
> >> (1) No. Any food offered as bali =
(as opposed to "naivedyam" to a
> > deity) is
> >> usually not consumed. It=
is thrown away. If you live in woods,
> > throw it away
> >> in the open s=
o animals can eat it. Otheriwse, throw it in
garbage.
> >>
> >> On the oth=
er hand, "naivedyam" offered to god can be consumed by
> > people as
> >> p=
rasad.
> >>
> >> (2) Either is fine. They symbolize the path of shakti movi=
ng
from
> > you to the
> >> fire and vice versa.
> >>
> >> (3) Either is f=
ine.
> >>
> >> (4) Whether it is our bodies or flowers/akshatas used in a
=
pooja,
> > everything
> >> has a purpose and it has to go when its purpose =
is served.
That's
> > the nature
> >> of life. While the flowers and aksha=
tas are used in homam, they
> > are
> >> sacrosanct and should be handled w=
ith care, love and respect.
> > After they
> >> serve their purpose, they h=
ave to be disposed of however one
can.
> > Throwing
> >> in garbage is fin=
e if you ask me. Another way is to collect them
> > in a bag
> >> until you=
accumulate a good amount and burn them oneday. If you
> > have a local
> >=
> temple, you can go and see if you can throw them wherever they
> > throw =
the
> >> flowers etc they use at the temple.
> >>
> >> The ashes from the h=
omam are considered sacred. They contain
> > *some* of the
> >> energy gene=
rated from the homam. The best way to dispose the
ashes
> > is to
> >> thr=
ow them into a flowing stream of water (a river or an ocean).
> > This
> >>=
ensures that the energy is not localized to one place and is
> > distribut=
ed
> >> back to the Nature. Another thing some people do is to dig a
deep
=
> > pit in the
> >> yard and bury the ashes. It restricts the energy to the=
place
and
> > not a
> >> great idea. Please remember that the energy in t=
he ashes is
only a
> > *part* of
> >> the energy generated. Some energy is=
also within the person
> > performing homam
> >> and helps to purify the p=
erson. Giving some part back to the
> > nature is a
> >> very good idea.
> =
>>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Narasimha
> >> ---------------------------------=
-------------------------------
--
> >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://w=
> >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:
http://www.V=
edicAstrologer.org/tarpana
> >> Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group=
/vedic-wisdom
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> >> =
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--
> >>
>=
> >> From: "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@>=
> >> To: <vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com>

> >> Sent: Saturday, November 01, =
2008 7:18 AM
> >> Subject: [vedic-wisdom] questions w.r.t. Homam!!!
> >>
> =
>>
> >> > Narasimha Garu,
> >> > Namaste,
> >> >
> >> > my Apology for send=
ing the Jyotisha content in this forum.
> >> >
> >> > few questions are ari=
sing while doing Homam which is listed as
> > under;
> >> >
> >> > 1)'Suddh=
aanna Bali' offerings for Parshadas can be consumed
> > later on
> >> > by =
people as Prasad?
> >> >
> >> > 2) 'Two parallel lines' from Homam Kund to =
Aaasan can be
> > permanent
> >> > or required to draw fresh everytime? wha=
t does those lines
mean?
> >> >
> >> > 3) 'Remains in Homa Kunad' can be u=
sed as *Raksha* or Raksha
is
> > only
> >> > considered which is obtained =
from the procedure given.
> >> >
> >> > 4) The problem of disposal of Nirma=
alya (Remains of Homam-
such as
> >> > flowers, Akshataas, etc..)is a issue=
especially in the city
> > where i
> >> > stay, due to local restrictions.=
to put it in a normal
garbage is
> >> > difficult physcologically. any su=
ggetions from anybody?
> >> >
> >> > --------------------------------------=
------------------------
---
> > -
> >> > I need to share my experience abo=
ut Dry coconut pieces. If one
> > takes
> >> > a Dray coconut Half and pres=
ses it by holding in both Palms,
> > it'll
> >> > break in to 3 to 4 pieces=
. if required, one can further make
one
> > or
> >> > two pieces from thos=
e again by breaking it by using palms.
I've
> >> > experinced that those p=
ieces works out to be very useful (Size
> > wise)
> >> > to sustain fire fo=
r long time hence one can concentrate more
in
> >> > reciting Mantra then =
worrying about sustainance of fire. the
> > another
> >> > important advant=
age is that use of Knife can be completely
> > avoided.
> >> >
> >> > just =
one input if it helps some..
> >> >
> >> > Warm Regards,
> >> > utpal
>

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Namaste Narasimha Garu,
I think, at the start of Homam (First Shloka & fir=

st word) in Ganapati
Homam document, correction is required "rddhy=E4sma"=
instead
of "rddhasy=E4ma".
yours,
utpal
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Namaste
Hi All
I am looking to find the correct form of Narashima mantra.=

The two
variations that I have run into are as follows:
1)
>From a web s=
ite http://www.salagram.net/narasimha-mantras2.html
"ugram viram maha visn=

um jvalantam sarvatomukham
nrisimham bhisanam bhadram mrtyu mrtyum namamy =
aham"
'May my head be protected by the mooncoloured one, who is the

grea=
test among humans.
My obeisances unto the ferocious and powerful, the grea=
t Visnu, the
fiery one, who's faces
are on all sides, the fearful one, Nr=
simha, who causes the death of
even death
personified, (or who can overco=
me death)'.
2)
>From Sharada Tilakam book
ugram viram maha visnum jvalanta=
m sarvatomukham
nrisimham bhisanam rudram mrtyu mrtyum namamy aham
The =
difference is between word "Bhadram" and "Rudram"
Which one is appropriate=

?
Does anyone have other more reliable source, On a couple of web sites
I=
saw "Bhadram", these all seem to be vaishava web sites, However the
Shard=
a Tilakam book mentions it as "Rudram"
By the way this is very powerful ma=

ntra, people inscribe this in an
amulet and put it on in india.
A lot of =
lord krishna devotees first worship Lord Narashima so that
he takes away a=
ll the negativity and after that only one get to reach
lord krishna.
It i=
s also very interestig that most of the temples of various forms
of lord n=
arashima are located in andra pradesh in India.
Can some learned soul shed =
light on this.
Best Regards
Mitesh

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Namaste,
may i ask why you felt that it is a blind leading blind?
There a=
re many ways to fight desires, especially Lust for *Sambhog*
what you sugg=
ested can be ONE of the many ways and infact everybody
in their heart of h=
earts knows. how much powerful it is. it is like
tsunami which has a capab=
ility to sweep off the feat, even the
Saints if they are not vigilant.
Sh=
ivananada says in his manual of Brahmacharya that it requires to
attack th=
e lust from all sides to really overcome and destroy.
If some one needs to=

keepup Brahmacharya, some practical tips are-
- Cold water Bath

- No Onio=
n, Garlic in food. avoiding very spicy and very Hot food.
- avoiding over e=
ating at night. (Stomach should not be full)
- Mditation, Pranaayaam, Japa,=
Homam or such Saadhanas
- Shirsaasan, Sarvaangaasan
- Prohibition of seein=
g TV Channels and Movies
- Thinking mentally that all women are Sisters/Mot=
hers
Above all, Prayers to the Ishta Devata. unceasing prayer is the key. =
without Grace of the Lord, it is impossible to uproot the Desire

complete=
ly.
efforts, efforts and efforts.... prayers, prayers and prayers...cry

a=
nd then one will start winning over the most draded of enemies.
Vivekanand=
a said "The Character is establised through thousand
stumbles" - no need t=
o lose heart.
warm regards,
utpal
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroup=
s.com, "Ajit Krishnan"
<ajit.krishnan@...> wrote:
>
> namaste,
>
> I apol=
ogize for opening my mouth. This is truly a case of the
blind leading
> th=
e blind.
>
> > Feeling of guilt is a weight and it does not help in overco=
ming
the basic
> ...
> > True, suppressing desire will make the desire com=
e back later.
But, if one
> > keeps fulfilling desires, they never end!! =
This is the nature
of desire.
>
>
> One of my favourite books is the mud=
gala-purana, which is a purana
about
> Ganesha. Here, Ganesha has 8 avatAr=
as, which come to destroy 8
demons: envy,
> lust, delusion, greed, anger, =
desire, "my-ness" and pride. In the
chapter
> where Ganesha destroys the "=
desire demon", the demon is described
as having
> two children -- shoShaNa=
and duShpUra i.e. (1) one who dries
things up /
> destroys and (2) one wh=
o can never be satisfied.
>
> Satisfying desire always results in fanning =
the fire of desire.
And in the
> process, other things become neglected (d=
ried up). Eventually, one
feel's
> guilt / shame, where, again, the heart =
literally feels like it is
drying up.
>
> Ganesha comes to uproot the "de=
sire demon" as the
avatAra "vikaTa", which
> means "one who is horrible / =
monstrous". The purana explains that
we have to
> see things "as they are"=
. To do this, we should think of desired
objects, as
> something horrible.=
The desire falls away, and we will be able to
see
> Ganesha in his vikaTa=
form.
>
> This technique is described in Shankaracharya's famous stotra "=
moha
> mudgara", i.e. taking a hammer to "delusion". This is also known
as=
"bhaja
> govindam". Here, he teaches that we should repeatedly remember
t=
hat the
> female form is merely a modification (rather a horrible
contorti=
on) of flesh
> and fat.
>
> Thus, we pray to Ganesha, who illuminates the =
world, and shows it
as it is,
> contorted and un-deserving of desire.
>
>=
bhavadIyaH,
>
> ajit
>

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Please accept my sincere apology as I misunderstood it completely=

.
Best Regrads,
utpal
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Ajit Krishna=

n"
<ajit.krishnan@...> wrote:
>
> namaste,
>
> > may i ask why you felt t=
hat it is a blind leading blind?
> Re-reading the formatting of my response=
, the question is
justified. I meant
> that _my comments_ are a case of th=
e blind leading the blind,
since I am not
> qualified to comment about any=
thing. I did not intend to question
> Narasimha's comments in any way. I ap=
ologize for any confusion.
>
> bhavadIyaH,
>
> ajit
>
> On Mon, N=
ov 3, 2008 at 11:51 AM, utpal pathak
<vedic_pathak@...>wrote:
>
> > Namas=
te,
> >
> > may i ask why you felt that it is a blind leading blind?
> >
> =
> There are many ways to fight desires, especially Lust for
*Sambhog*
> >
=
> > what you suggested can be ONE of the many ways and infact
everybody
> =
> in their heart of hearts knows. how much powerful it is. it is
like
> > =
tsunami which has a capability to sweep off the feat, even the
> > Saints i=
f they are not vigilant.
> >
> > Shivananada says in his manual of Brahmach=
arya that it requires
to
> > attack the lust from all sides to really over=
come and destroy.
> >
> > If some one needs to keepup Brahmacharya, some pr=
actical tips
are-
> >
> > - Cold water Bath
> > - No Onion, Garlic in food=
. avoiding very spicy and very Hot
food.
> > - avoiding over eating at nig=
ht. (Stomach should not be full)
> > - Mditation, Pranaayaam, Japa, Homam o=
r such Saadhanas
> > - Shirsaasan, Sarvaangaasan
> > - Prohibition of seein=
g TV Channels and Movies
> > - Thinking mentally that all women are Sisters=
/Mothers
> >
> > Above all, Prayers to the Ishta Devata. unceasing prayer i=
s the
key.
> > without Grace of the Lord, it is impossible to uproot the D=
esire
> > completely.
> >
> > efforts, efforts and efforts.... prayers, pra=
yers and
prayers...cry
> > and then one will start winning over the most d=
raded of enemies.
> >
> > Vivekananda said "The Character is establised thr=
ough thousand
> > stumbles" - no need to lose heart.
> >
> > warm regards,
=
> >
> > utpal
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, =
"Ajit Krishnan"
> > <ajit.krishnan@> wrote:
> > >
> > > namaste,
> > >
> >=
> I apologize for opening my mouth. This is truly a case of the
> > blind =
leading
> > > the blind.
> > >
> > > > Feeling of guilt is a weight and it =
does not help in
overcoming
> > the basic
> > > ...
> > > > True, suppress=
ing desire will make the desire come back
later.
> > But, if one
> > > > k=
eeps fulfilling desires, they never end!! This is the
nature
> > of desir=
e.
> > >
> > >
> > > One of my favourite books is the mudgala-purana, which=
is a
purana
> > about
> > > Ganesha. Here, Ganesha has 8 avatAras, which =
come to destroy 8
> > demons: envy,
> > > lust, delusion, greed, anger, des=
ire, "my-ness" and pride. In
the
> > chapter
> > > where Ganesha destroys =
the "desire demon", the demon is
described
> > as having
> > > two childre=
n -- shoShaNa and duShpUra i.e. (1) one who dries
> > things up /
> > > des=
troys and (2) one who can never be satisfied.
> > >
> > > Satisfying desire=
always results in fanning the fire of desire.
> > And in the
> > > process=
, other things become neglected (dried up). Eventually,
one
> > feel's
> >=
> guilt / shame, where, again, the heart literally feels like it
is
> > d=
rying up.
> > >
> > > Ganesha comes to uproot the "desire demon" as the
> >=
avatAra "vikaTa", which
> > > means "one who is horrible / monstrous". The=
purana explains
that
> > we have to
> > > see things "as they are". To do=
this, we should think of
desired
> > objects, as
> > > something horrible=
. The desire falls away, and we will be able
to
> > see
> > > Ganesha in h=
is vikaTa form.
> > >
> > > This technique is described in Shankaracharya's=
famous
stotra "moha
> > > mudgara", i.e. taking a hammer to "delusion". T=
his is also
known
> > as "bhaja
> > > govindam". Here, he teaches that we =
should repeatedly remember
> > that the
> > > female form is merely a modif=
ication (rather a horrible
> > contortion) of flesh
> > > and fat.
> > >
> =
> > Thus, we pray to Ganesha, who illuminates the world, and shows
it
> > =
as it is,
> > > contorted and un-deserving of desire.
> > >
> > > bhavadIya=
H,
> > >
> > > ajit
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------------------=
-----------
> >
> > || Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih ||
> > Yahoo! Groups L=
inks
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Guys,
I am glad everything is sorted out. But, in general, let us be less

defensive and instead focus on subject. Knowing Ajit's nature, I knew
exactly what he meant. However, even if Ajit or someone actually said
something negative about me, it is not a big deal. One is who one is and
words, good or bad, do not change that, for better or worse. Why be
sensitive to words then?
Ajit, you are certainly qualified in commenting. I always knew that you have
tremendous scholarship, great humility and sincerity. People far less
qualified than you talk/write so much in today's world. Please do write
more.
The imagery thrown up by the Puranic story mentioned by you is really nice!
Friends,
Lord Hanuman is one who fully overcame lust. He can be worshipped for giving
self-control.
Lord Hrishikesha gives purity and control over senses (hrishika + isha =
lord of senses). He can be worshipped for control over senses.
Mother Kaali gives dispassion and kills the root of desires. She can be
worshipped for getting rid of desires.
Several things are possible. But, for most people in today's times, it is
not going to be one magic bullet that does it, but a combination of various
practices. Patience is needed.
Try to increase the understanding of what is permanent and what is

transient.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:39 PM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Regarding Brahamcharya
> Namaste,
>
> Please accept my sincere apology as I misunderstood it completely.
>
> Best Regrads,
>
> utpal
>
> --- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Ajit Krishnan"
> <ajit.krishnan@...> wrote:
>>
>> namaste,
>>
>> > may i ask why you felt that it is a blind leading blind?
>> Re-reading the formatting of my response, the question is
> justified. I meant
>> that _my comments_ are a case of the blind leading the blind,
> since I am not
>> qualified to comment about anything. I did not intend to question
>> Narasimha's comments in any way. I apologize for any confusion.
>>
>> bhavadIyaH,
>>
>> ajit
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:51 AM, utpal pathak
> <vedic_pathak@...>wrote:
>>
>> > Namaste,
>> >
>> >
>> > There are many ways to fight desires, especially Lust for
> *Sambhog*
>> >
>> > what you suggested can be ONE of the many ways and infact
> everybody
>> > in their heart of hearts knows. how much powerful it is. it is
> like
>> > tsunami which has a capability to sweep off the feat, even the
>> > Saints if they are not vigilant.
>> >
>> > Shivananada says in his manual of Brahmacharya that it requires
> to
>> > attack the lust from all sides to really overcome and destroy.
>> >
>> > If some one needs to keepup Brahmacharya, some practical tips
> are-
>> >
>> > - Cold water Bath
>> > - No Onion, Garlic in food. avoiding very spicy and very Hot
> food.
>> > - avoiding over eating at night. (Stomach should not be full)
>> > - Mditation, Pranaayaam, Japa, Homam or such Saadhanas
>> > - Shirsaasan, Sarvaangaasan
>> > - Prohibition of seeing TV Channels and Movies
>> > - Thinking mentally that all women are Sisters/Mothers
>> >
>> > Above all, Prayers to the Ishta Devata. unceasing prayer is the
> key.
>> > without Grace of the Lord, it is impossible to uproot the Desire
>> > completely.
>> >
>> > efforts, efforts and efforts.... prayers, prayers and
> prayers...cry
>> > and then one will start winning over the most draded of enemies.
>> >
>> > Vivekananda said "The Character is establised through thousand
>> > stumbles" - no need to lose heart.
>> >
>> > warm regards,
>> >
>> > utpal
>> >
>> > --- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com, "Ajit Krishnan"
>> > <ajit.krishnan@> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > namaste,
>> > >
>> > > I apologize for opening my mouth. This is truly a case of the
>> > blind leading
>> > > the blind.
>> > >
>> > > > Feeling of guilt is a weight and it does not help in
> overcoming
>> > the basic
>> > > ...
>> > > > True, suppressing desire will make the desire come back
> later.
>> > But, if one
>> > > > keeps fulfilling desires, they never end!! This is the
> nature
>> > of desire.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > One of my favourite books is the mudgala-purana, which is a
> purana
>> > about
>> > > Ganesha. Here, Ganesha has 8 avatAras, which come to destroy 8
>> > demons: envy,
>> > > lust, delusion, greed, anger, desire, "my-ness" and pride. In
> the
>> > chapter
>> > > where Ganesha destroys the "desire demon", the demon is
> described
>> > as having
>> > > two children -- shoShaNa and duShpUra i.e. (1) one who dries
>> > things up /
>> > > destroys and (2) one who can never be satisfied.
>> > >
>> > > Satisfying desire always results in fanning the fire of desire.
>> > And in the
>> > > process, other things become neglected (dried up). Eventually,
> one
>> > feel's
>> > > guilt / shame, where, again, the heart literally feels like it
> is
>> > drying up.
>> > >
>> > > Ganesha comes to uproot the "desire demon" as the
>> > avatAra "vikaTa", which
>> > > means "one who is horrible / monstrous". The purana explains
> that
>> > we have to
>> > > see things "as they are". To do this, we should think of
> desired
>> > objects, as
>> > > something horrible. The desire falls away, and we will be able
> to
>> > see
>> > > Ganesha in his vikaTa form.
>> > >
>> > > This technique is described in Shankaracharya's famous
> stotra "moha
>> > > mudgara", i.e. taking a hammer to "delusion". This is also
> known
>> > as "bhaja
>> > > govindam". Here, he teaches that we should repeatedly remember
>> > that the
>> > > female form is merely a modification (rather a horrible
>> > contortion) of flesh
>> > > and fat.
>> > >
>> > > Thus, we pray to Ganesha, who illuminates the world, and shows
> it
>> > as it is,
>> > > contorted and un-deserving of desire.
>> > >
>> > > bhavadIyaH,
>> > >
>> > > ajit

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Excellent chain of mails indeed, including the metion and =
significance of teh Vikata Rupa of Ganapati to overcome lust.
=C2=A0
This i=
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From: Narasimha =
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Regarding Brahamch=
arya
Date: Tuesday, 4 November, 2008, 9:49=
AM
Guys,
I am glad everything is sorted out. But, in general, let u=

s be less
defensive and instead focus on subject. Knowing Ajit's nature, I=
knew
exactly what he meant. However, even if Ajit or someone actually sai=
d
something negative about me, it is not a big deal. One is who one is and=
words, good or bad, do not change that, for better or worse. Why be
sens=
itive to words then?
Ajit, you are certainly qualified in commenting. I al=

ways knew that you have
tremendous scholarship, great humility and sinceri=
ty. People far less
qualified than you talk/write so much in today's world=
. Please do write
more.
The imagery thrown up by the Puranic story mentio=

ned by you is really nice!
Friends,
Lord Hanuman is one who fully overcam=

e lust. He can be worshipped for giving
self-control.
Lord Hrishikesha gi=

ves purity and control over senses (hrishika + isha =3D
lord of senses). H=
e can be worshipped for control over senses.
Mother Kaali gives dispassion=

and kills the root of desires. She can be
worshipped for getting rid of d=
esires.
Several things are possible. But, for most people in today's times=
, it is
not going to be one magic bullet that does it, but a combination o=
f various
Try to increase the understandin=

g of what is permanent and what is
transient.
Best regards,
Narasimha
---=
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From: "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@ yahoo.com>
To: =
Su=
bject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Regarding Brahamcharya
> Namaste,
>
> Please acc=
ept my sincere apology as I misunderstood it completely.
>
> Best Regrads,
=
>
> utpal
>
> --- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "Ajit Krishnan"
> <aji=
t.krishnan@ ...> wrote:
>>
>> namaste,
>>
>> > may i ask why you felt that =
it is a blind leading blind?
>> Re-reading the formatting of my response, t=
he question is
>> that _my comments_ are a case of the=
blind leading the blind,
> since I am not
>> qualified to comment about an=
ything. I did not intend to question
>> Narasimha's comments in any way. I =
apologize for any confusion.
>>
>> bhavadIyaH,
>>
>> ajit
>>
>> On Mon, Nov=
3, 2008 at 11:51 AM, utpal pathak
> <vedic_pathak@ ...>wrote:
>>
>> > Nama=
ste,
>> >
>> =
>
>> > There are many ways to fight desires, especially Lust for
> *Sambhog=
*
>> >
>> > what you suggested can be ONE of the many ways and infact
> eve=
rybody
>> > in their heart of hearts knows. how much powerful it is. it is
=
> like
>> > tsunami which has a capability to sweep off the feat, even the
=
>> >
>> > Shivananada says in his man=
ual of Brahmacharya that it requires
> to
>> > attack the lust from all sid=
es to really overcome and destroy.
>> >
>> > If some one needs to keepup Br=
ahmacharya, some practical tips
> are-
>> >
>> > - N=
o Onion, Garlic in food. avoiding very spicy and very Hot
> food.
>> > - av=
oiding over eating at night. (Stomach should not be full)
>> > - Mditation,=
Pranaayaam, Japa, Homam or such Saadhanas
>> > - Shirsaasan, Sarvaangaasan=

>> > - Thinking mental=
ly that all women are Sisters/Mothers
>> >
>> > Above all, Prayers to the I=
shta Devata. unceasing prayer is the
> key.
>> > without Grace of the Lord,=
it is impossible to uproot the Desire
>> > completely.
>> >
>> > efforts, =
efforts and efforts.... prayers, prayers and
> prayers...cry
>> > and then =
one will start winning over the most draded of enemies.
>> >
>> > Vivekanan=
da said "The Character is establised through thousand
>> > stumbles" - no n=
eed to lose heart.
>> >
>> > warm regards,
>> >
>> > utpal
>> >
>> > --- In=
vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "Ajit Krishnan"
>> > <ajit.krishnan@ > wro=
te:
>> > >
>> > > namaste,
>> > >
>> > > I apologize for opening my mouth. =
This is truly a case of the
>> > blind leading
>> > > the blind.
>> > >
>> =
> > > Feeling of guilt is a weight and it does not help in
> overcoming
>> =
> the basic
>> > > ...
>> > > > True, suppressing desire will make the desi=
re come back
> later.
>> > But, if one
>> > > > keeps fulfilling desires, t=
hey never end!! This is the
> nature
>> > of desire.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > O=
ne of my favourite books is the mudgala-purana, which is a
> purana
>> > ab=
out
>> > > Ganesha. Here, Ganesha has 8 avatAras, which come to destroy 8
>=
> > demons: envy,
>> > > lust, delusion, greed, anger, desire, "my-ness" an=
d pride. In
> the
>> > chapter
>> > > where Ganesha destroys the "desire de=
mon", the demon is
> described
>> > as having
>> > > two children -- shoSha=
Na and duShpUra i.e. (1) one who dries
>> > things up /
>> > > destroys and=
(2) one who can never be satisfied.
>> > >
>> > > Satisfying desire always=
results in fanning the fire of desire.
>> > And in the
>> > > process, oth=
er things become neglected (dried up). Eventually,
> one
>> > feel's
>> > >=
guilt / shame, where, again, the heart literally feels like it
> is
>> > d=
rying up.
>> > >
>=
> > avatAra "vikaTa", which
>> > > means "one who is horrible / monstrous".=
The purana explains
> that
>> > we have to
>> > > see things "as they are"=
. To do this, we should think of
> desired
>> > objects, as
>> > > somethin=
g horrible. The desire falls away, and we will be able
> to
>> > see
>> > >=
Ganesha in his vikaTa form.
>> > >
>> > > This technique is described in S=
hankaracharya' s famous
> stotra "moha
>> > > mudgara", i.e. taking a hamme=
r to "delusion". This is also
> known
>> > as "bhaja
>> > > govindam". Here=
, he teaches that we should repeatedly remember
>> > that the
>> > > female=
form is merely a modification (rather a horrible
>> > contortion) of flesh=
>> > > and fat.

>> > >
>> > > Thus, we pray to Ganesha, who illuminates th=
e world, and shows
> it
>> > as it is,
>> > > contorted and un-deserving of=
desire.
>> > >
>> > > bhavadIyaH,
>> > >
>> > > ajit
=
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Dear All,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>E=
xcellent chain of mails indeed, including the metion and significance of te=
h Vikata Rupa of Ganapati to overcome lust.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Th=
is is indeed one of the finest internet forums. May Narasimhaji and the oth=
er learned members keep up the good work, there is so much that ordinary pe=
ople like me get to learn just by reading these mails!.</DIV>
<DIV> </=
DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG=
>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: nav=
y; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Ham=
let</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 4/11/08=
, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@...></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCK=
QUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,=
255) 2px solid">From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@...><BR>Subje=
ct: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Regarding Brahamcharya<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@yahoogrou=
ps.com<BR>Date: Tuesday, 4 November, 2008, 9:49 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv240=
371432>
<DIV>Guys,<BR><BR>I am glad everything is sort=
ed out. But, in general, let us be less <BR>defensive and instead focus on =
subject. Knowing Ajit's nature, I knew <BR>exactly what he meant. However, =
even if Ajit or someone actually said <BR>something negative about me, it i=
s not a big deal. One is who one is and <BR>words, good or bad, do not chan=
ge that, for better or worse. Why be <BR>sensitive to words then?<BR><BR>Aj=
it, you are certainly qualified in commenting. I always knew that you have =
<BR>tremendous scholarship, great humility and sincerity. People far less <=
BR>qualified than you talk/write so much in today's world. Please do write =
<BR>more.<BR><BR>The imagery thrown up by the Puranic story mentioned by yo=
u is really nice!<BR><BR>Friends,<BR><BR>Lord Hanuman is one who fully over=
came lust. He can be worshipped for giving <BR>self-control.<BR><BR>Lord Hr=
ishikesha gives purity and control over senses (hrishika + isha =3D <BR>lor=
d of senses). He can be
worshipped for control over senses.<BR><BR>Mother =
Kaali gives dispassion and kills the root of desires. She can be <BR>worshi=
pped for getting rid of desires.<BR><BR>Several things are possible. But, f=
or most people in today's times, it is <BR>not going to be one magic bullet=
that does it, but a combination of various <BR>practices. Patience is need=
ed.<BR><BR>Try to increase the understanding of what is permanent and what =
is <BR>transient.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------ -------=
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-------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - <BR><BR>----- Original M=
essage ----- <BR>From: "utpal pathak" <<A href=3D"mailto:vedic_pathak%40=
yahoo.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic_pathak@ yahoo.com</A>><B=
R>To: <<A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank=
rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>><BR>Sent: Monday, Nov=
ember 03, 2008 9:39 PM<BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Regarding Brahamchary=
a<BR><BR>> Namaste,<BR>><BR>> Please accept my sincere
apology as=
I misunderstood it completely.<BR>><BR>> Best Regrads,<BR>><BR>&g=
t; utpal<BR>><BR>> --- In <A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroup=
s.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>, "=
Ajit Krishnan"<BR>> <ajit.krishnan@ ...> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>=
;> namaste,<BR>>><BR>>> > may i ask why you felt that it =
is a blind leading blind?<BR>>> Re-reading the formatting of my respo=
nse, the question is<BR>> justified. I meant<BR>>> that _my commen=
ts_ are a case of the blind leading the blind,<BR>> since I am not<BR>&g=
t;> qualified to comment about anything. I did not intend to question<BR=
>>> Narasimha's comments in any way. I apologize for any confusion.<B=
R>>><BR>>> bhavadIyaH,<BR>>><BR>>> ajit<BR>>>=
<BR>>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:51 AM, utpal pathak<BR>> <vedi=
c_pathak@ ...>wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> >
Namaste,<BR>>> =
><BR>>> > may i ask why you felt that it is a blind leading bli=
nd?<BR>>> ><BR>>> > There are many ways to fight desires,=
especially Lust for<BR>> *Sambhog*<BR>>> ><BR>>> > wh=
at you suggested can be ONE of the many ways and infact<BR>> everybody<B=
R>>> > in their heart of hearts knows. how much powerful it is. it=
is<BR>> like<BR>>> > tsunami which has a capability to sweep o=
ff the feat, even the<BR>>> > Saints if they are not vigilant.<BR>=
>> ><BR>>> > Shivananada says in his manual of Brahmachar=
ya that it requires<BR>> to<BR>>> > attack the lust from all si=
des to really overcome and destroy.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > If so=
me one needs to keepup Brahmacharya, some practical tips<BR>> are-<BR>&g=
t;> ><BR>>> > - Cold water Bath<BR>>> > - No Onion,=
Garlic in food. avoiding very spicy and very
Hot<BR>> food.<BR>>>=
; > - avoiding over eating at night. (Stomach should not be full)<BR>>=
;> > - Mditation, Pranaayaam, Japa, Homam or such Saadhanas<BR>>&g=
t; > - Shirsaasan, Sarvaangaasan<BR>>> > - Prohibition of seein=
g TV Channels and Movies<BR>>> > - Thinking mentally that all wome=
n are Sisters/Mothers<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Above all, Prayers =
to the Ishta Devata. unceasing prayer is the<BR>> key.<BR>>> > =
without Grace of the Lord, it is impossible to uproot the Desire<BR>>>=
; > completely.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > efforts, efforts and e=
fforts.... prayers, prayers and<BR>> prayers...cry<BR>>> > and =
then one will start winning over the most draded of enemies.<BR>>> &g=
t;<BR>>> > Vivekananda said "The Character is establised through t=
housand<BR>>> > stumbles" - no need to lose heart.<BR>>> >=
;<BR>>> > warm
regards,<BR>>> ><BR>>> > utpal<B=
R>>> ><BR>>> > --- In <A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40ya=
hoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. co=
m</A>, "Ajit Krishnan"<BR>>> > <ajit.krishnan@ > wrote:<BR>&=
gt;> > ><BR>>> > > namaste,<BR>>> > ><BR>&=
gt;> > > I apologize for opening my mouth. This is truly a case of=
the<BR>>> > blind leading<BR>>> > > the blind.<BR>>=
;> > ><BR>>> > > > Feeling of guilt is a weight and=
it does not help in<BR>> overcoming<BR>>> > the basic<BR>>&=
gt; > > ...<BR>>> > > > True, suppressing desire will =
make the desire come back<BR>> later.<BR>>> > But, if one<BR>&g=
t;> > > > keeps fulfilling desires, they never end!! This is th=
e<BR>> nature<BR>>> > of desire.<BR>>> > ><BR>>&=
gt; >
><BR>>> > > One of my favourite books is the mudga=
la-purana, which is a<BR>> purana<BR>>> > about<BR>>> >=
; > Ganesha. Here, Ganesha has 8 avatAras, which come to destroy 8<BR>&g=
t;> > demons: envy,<BR>>> > > lust, delusion, greed, ange=
r, desire, "my-ness" and pride. In<BR>> the<BR>>> > chapter<BR>=
>> > > where Ganesha destroys the "desire demon", the demon is<=
BR>> described<BR>>> > as having<BR>>> > > two chil=
dren -- shoShaNa and duShpUra i.e. (1) one who dries<BR>>> > thing=
s up /<BR>>> > > destroys and (2) one who can never be satisfie=
d.<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > > Satisfying desire always res=
ults in fanning the fire of desire.<BR>>> > And in the<BR>>>=
> > process, other things become neglected (dried up). Eventually,<B=
R>> one<BR>>> > feel's<BR>>> > > guilt / shame,
wh=
ere, again, the heart literally feels like it<BR>> is<BR>>> > d=
rying up.<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > > Ganesha comes to upro=
ot the "desire demon" as the<BR>>> > avatAra "vikaTa", which<BR>&g=
t;> > > means "one who is horrible / monstrous". The purana explai=
ns<BR>> that<BR>>> > we have to<BR>>> > > see thing=
s "as they are". To do this, we should think of<BR>> desired<BR>>>=
> objects, as<BR>>> > > something horrible. The desire fall=
s away, and we will be able<BR>> to<BR>>> > see<BR>>> >=
; > Ganesha in his vikaTa form.<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > &=
gt; This technique is described in Shankaracharya' s famous<BR>> stotra =
"moha<BR>>> > > mudgara", i.e. taking a hammer to "delusion". T=
his is also<BR>> known<BR>>> > as "bhaja<BR>>> > > =
govindam". Here, he teaches that we should repeatedly
remember<BR>>>=
> that the<BR>>> > > female form is merely a modification (=
rather a horrible<BR>>> > contortion) of flesh<BR>>> > &g=
t; and fat.<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > > Thus, we pray to Ga=
nesha, who illuminates the world, and shows<BR>> it<BR>>> > as =
it is,<BR>>> > > contorted and un-deserving of desire.<BR>>&=
gt; > ><BR>>> > > bhavadIyaH,<BR>>> > ><BR>&g=
t;> > > ajit<BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></tab=
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Dear All,
Namaskar.
Yes, indeed.
I=C2=A0had a doubt that I wanted to ask N=
arasimha garu. I recited Sree Hanumathbadabanala stotram some time back. I =
had an unusual experience of 'being on fire',=C2=A0during the initial stage=
s. It was as if I was engulfed in a ball of fire, which slowly receded over=
time. I had a similar experience during the Navaratri puja when reciting
D=
evi kavacham. I still have that feeling of an=C2=A0aura of fire around me a=
nd feel extremely hot and sweat=C2=A0even in the cold weather. This stays o=
n for a time. I also had to face extreme circumstances in 'relationships' t=
hat matter to me and there is a steady deterioration, almost as if a=C2=A0h=
eavy veil has been torn asunder.
I=C2=A0vaguely remember Narasimha ji tell=
ing us in some forum that there might be some ramifications relating to kar=
ma that could manifest when/ after sadhana/worship.
Could you please clarif=
y, Narasimha garu?
Regards
Nalini
=C2=A0
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om] Re: Regarding Brahamcharya
Dear All,
Excellent chain of mails indeed=

, including the metion and significance of teh Vikata Rupa of Ganapati to o=
vercome lust.
This is indeed one of the finest internet forums. May Narasi=

mhaji and the other learned members keep up the good work, there is so much=
that ordinary people like me get to learn just by reading these mails!.
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let
--- On Tue, 4/11/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net> wrote:
F=
rom: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Re=
garding Brahamcharya
Date: Tuesday, 4 No=
vember, 2008, 9:49 AM
Guys,
I am glad everything is sorted out. But, in =

general, let us be less
defensive and instead focus on subject. Knowing Aj=
it's nature, I knew
exactly what he meant. However, even if Ajit or someon=
e actually said
something negative about me, it is not a big deal. One is =
who one is and
words, good or bad, do not change that, for better or worse=
. Why be
Ajit, you are certainly qualified in co=

mmenting. I always knew that you have
tremendous scholarship, great humili=
ty and sincerity. People far less
qualified than you talk/write so much in=
today's world. Please do write
more.
The imagery thrown up by the Purani=

c story mentioned by you is really nice!
Friends,
Lord Hanuman is one who=

fully overcame lust. He can be worshipped for giving
self-control.
Lord =
Hrishikesha gives purity and control over senses (hrishika + isha =3D
lord=
of senses). He can be worshipped for control over senses.
Mother Kaali gi=

ves dispassion and kills the root of desires. She can be
worshipped for ge=
tting rid of desires.
Several things are possible. But, for most people in=

today's times, it is
not going to be one magic bullet that does it, but a=
combination of various
Try to increase th=

e understanding of what is permanent and what is
transient.
Best regards,=
Narasimha
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -=

Do Pitri=
Spirituality: =
iJagan nath.org
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--- -

From: "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@ y=
ahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2=
008 9:39 PM
> Namaste,
=
>
> Please accept my sincere apology as I misunderstood it completely.
>
> =
Best Regrads,
>
> utpal
>
> --- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "Ajit Kr=
ishnan"
> <ajit.krishnan@ ...> wrote:
>>
>> namaste,
>>
>> > may i ask why =
you felt that it is a blind leading blind?
>> Re-reading the formatting of =
my response, the question is
>> that _my comments_ are=
a case of the blind leading the blind,
> since I am not
>> qualified to co=
mment about anything. I did not intend to question
>> Narasimha's comments =
in any way. I apologize for any confusion.
>>
>> bhavadIyaH,
>>
>> ajit
>>
=
> <vedic_pathak@ ...>wrote=
:
>>
>> > Namaste,
>> >
>> > may i ask why you felt that it is a blind lead=
ing blind?
>> >
>> > There are many ways to fight desires, especially Lust =
for
> *Sambhog*
>> >
>> > what you suggested can be ONE of the many ways an=
d infact
> everybody
>> > in their heart of hearts knows. how much powerful=
it is. it is
> like
>> > tsunami which has a capability to sweep off the f=
eat, even the
>> >
>> > Shivananada s=
ays in his manual of Brahmacharya that it requires
> to
>> > attack the lus=
t from all sides to really overcome and destroy.
>> >
>> > If some one need=
s to keepup Brahmacharya, some practical tips
> are-
>> >
>> > - Cold water=
Bath
> f=
ood.
>> > - avoiding over eating at night. (Stomach should not be full)
>> =
> - Mditation, Pranaayaam, Japa, Homam or such Saadhanas
>> > - Shirsaasan,=
Sarvaangaasan
>> > - T=
hinking mentally that all women are Sisters/Mothers
>> >
>> > Above all, Pr=
ayers to the Ishta Devata. unceasing prayer is the
> key.
>> > without Grac=
e of the Lord, it is impossible to uproot the Desire
>> > completely.
>> >
=
> prayers...cry
=
>> > and then one will start winning over the most draded of enemies.
>> >
=
>> > Vivekananda said "The Character is establised through thousand
>> > st=
umbles" - no need to lose heart.
>> >
>> > warm regards,
>> >
>> > utpal
>>=
>
>> > --- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "Ajit Krishnan"
>> > <ajit.k=
rishnan@ > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > namaste,
>> > >
>> > > I apologize for open=
ing my mouth. This is truly a case of the
>> > blind leading
>> > > the bli=
nd.
>> > >
> =
overcoming
>> > the basic
>> > > ...
>> > > > True, suppressing desire will=
make the desire come back
> later.
>> > But, if one
>> > > > keeps fulfill=
ing desires, they never end!! This is the
> nature
>> > of desire.
>> > >
>=
> > >
>> > > One of my favourite books is the mudgala-purana, which is a
> =
purana
>> > about
>> > > Ganesha. Here, Ganesha has 8 avatAras, which come =
to destroy 8
>> > demons: envy,
>> > > lust, delusion, greed, anger, desire=
, "my-ness" and pride. In
> the
>> > chapter
>> > > where Ganesha destroys =
the "desire demon", the demon is
> described
>> > as having
>> > > two chil=
dren -- shoShaNa and duShpUra i.e. (1) one who dries
>> > things up /
>> > =
> destroys and (2) one who can never be satisfied.
>> > >
>> > > Satisfying=
desire always results in fanning the fire of desire.
>> > And in the
>> > =
> process, other things become neglected (dried up). Eventually,
> one
>> >=
feel's
>> > > guilt / shame, where, again, the heart literally feels like =
it
> is
>> > drying up.
>> > >
>> > > Ganesha comes to uproot the "desire d=
emon" as the
>> > > means "one who is horrible=
/ monstrous". The purana explains
> that
>> > we have to
>> > > see things=
"as they are". To do this, we should think of
> desired
>> > objects, as
>=
> > > something horrible. The desire falls away, and we will be able
> to
>=
> > see
>> > >
>> > > This technique is =
described in Shankaracharya' s famous
> stotra "moha
>> > > mudgara", i.e. =
taking a hammer to "delusion". This is also
> known
>> > as "bhaja
>> > > g=
ovindam". Here, he teaches that we should repeatedly remember
>> > that the=

>> > contor=
tion) of flesh
>> > > and fat.
>> > >
>> > > Thus, we pray to Ganesha, who =
illuminates the world, and shows
> it
>> > as it is,
>> > > contorted and u=
n-deserving of desire.
>> > >
>> > > bhavadIyaH,
>> > >
>> > > ajit
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:12pt"><DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Dear All,</DIV>
<DIV> </D=
IV>
<DIV>Yes, indeed.</DIV>
<DIV>I had a doubt that I wanted to ask Na=
rasimha garu. I recited Sree Hanumathbadabanala stotram some time back. I h=
ad an unusual experience of 'being on fire', during the initial stages=
. It was as if I was engulfed in a ball of fire, which slowly receded over =
time. I had a similar experience during the Navaratri puja when reciting</D=
IV>
<DIV>Devi kavacham. I still have that feeling of an aura of fire a=
round me and feel extremely hot and sweat even in the cold weather. Th=
is stays on for a time. I also had to face extreme circumstances in 'relati=
onships' that matter to me and there is a steady deterioration, almost as i=
f a heavy veil has been torn asunder. </DIV>
<DIV>I vaguely remem=
ber Narasimha ji telling us in some forum that there might be some ramifica=
tions relating to karma that could manifest when/ after sadhana/worship.</D=
IV>
<DIV>Could you please clarify, Narasimha garu?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
=
<DIV>Regards</DIV>
<DIV>Nalini<BR> </DIV>
<DIV>&=
nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> rajarshi nandy =
<rajarshi14@...><BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:<=
/SPAN></B> vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: b=
old">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, 4 November, 2008 5:36:52 PM<BR><B><SPAN styl=
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<DIV>Dear A=
ll,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Excellent chain of mails indeed, including=
the metion and significance of teh Vikata Rupa of Ganapati to overcome lus=
t.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This is indeed one of the finest internet f=
orums. May Narasimhaji and the other learned members keep up the good work,=
there is so much that ordinary people like me get to learn just by reading=
these mails!.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV> Rajar=
shi<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN st=
yle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This above all:=
to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></=
DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 4/11/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@charter=
. net></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,25=
5) 2px solid">From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net><BR>Subjec=
t: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Regarding Brahamcharya<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogrou=
ps. com<BR>Date: Tuesday, 4 November, 2008, 9:49 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv24=
0371432>
<DIV>Guys,<BR><BR>I am glad everything is sor=
ted out. But, in general, let us be less <BR>defensive and instead focus on=
subject. Knowing Ajit's nature, I knew <BR>exactly what he meant. However,=
even if Ajit or someone actually said <BR>something negative about me, it =
is not a big deal. One is who one is and <BR>words, good or bad, do not cha=
nge that, for better or worse. Why be <BR>sensitive to words then?<BR><BR>A=
jit, you are certainly qualified in commenting. I always knew that you have=
<BR>tremendous scholarship, great humility and sincerity. People far less =
<BR>qualified than you talk/write so much in today's world. Please do write=
<BR>more.<BR><BR>The imagery thrown up by the Puranic story mentioned by y=
ou is really nice!<BR><BR>Friends,<BR><BR>Lord Hanuman is one who fully ove=
rcame lust. He can be worshipped for giving <BR>self-control.<BR><BR>Lord H=
rishikesha gives purity and control over senses (hrishika + isha =3D <BR>lo=
rd of senses). He can be
worshipped for control over senses.<BR><BR>Mother=
Kaali gives dispassion and kills the root of desires. She can be <BR>worsh=
ipped for getting rid of desires.<BR><BR>Several things are possible. But, =
for most people in today's times, it is <BR>not going to be one magic bulle=
t that does it, but a combination of various <BR>practices. Patience is nee=
ded.<BR><BR>Try to increase the understanding of what is permanent and what=
is <BR>transient.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>------------ ------=
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essage ----- <BR>From: "utpal pathak" <<A href=3D"mailto:vedic_pathak%40=
yahoo.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:vedic_pathak%40=
yahoo.com">vedic_pathak@ yahoo.com</A>><BR>To: <<A href=3D"mailto:ved=
ic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mail=
to:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>><B=
R>Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:39 PM<BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom]
Re: R=
egarding Brahamcharya<BR><BR>> Namaste,<BR>><BR>> Please accept my=
sincere apology as I misunderstood it completely.<BR>><BR>> Best Reg=
rads,<BR>><BR>> utpal<BR>><BR>> --- In <A href=3D"mailto:vedic-=
wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:=
vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>, "Ajit K=
rishnan"<BR>> <ajit.krishnan@ ...> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> =
namaste,<BR>>><BR>>> > may i ask why you felt that it is a b=
lind leading blind?<BR>>> Re-reading the formatting of my response, t=
he question is<BR>> justified. I meant<BR>>> that _my comments_ ar=
e a case of the blind leading the blind,<BR>> since I am not<BR>>>=
qualified to comment about anything. I did not intend to question<BR>>&=
gt; Narasimha's comments in any way. I apologize for any confusion.<BR>>=
><BR>>> bhavadIyaH,<BR>>><BR>>>
ajit<BR>>><BR>&=
gt;> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:51 AM, utpal pathak<BR>> <vedic_pat=
hak@ ...>wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> > Namaste,<BR>>> ><B=
R>>> > may i ask why you felt that it is a blind leading blind?<BR=
>>> ><BR>>> > There are many ways to fight desires, espec=
ially Lust for<BR>> *Sambhog*<BR>>> ><BR>>> > what you=
suggested can be ONE of the many ways and infact<BR>> everybody<BR>>=
> > in their heart of hearts knows. how much powerful it is. it is<BR=
>> like<BR>>> > tsunami which has a capability to sweep off the=
feat, even the<BR>>> > Saints if they are not vigilant.<BR>>&g=
t; ><BR>>> > Shivananada says in his manual of Brahmacharya tha=
t it requires<BR>> to<BR>>> > attack the lust from all sides to=
really overcome and destroy.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > If some one=
needs to keepup Brahmacharya, some practical
tips<BR>> are-<BR>>>=
; ><BR>>> > - Cold water Bath<BR>>> > - No Onion, Garl=
ic in food. avoiding very spicy and very Hot<BR>> food.<BR>>> >=
- avoiding over eating at night. (Stomach should not be full)<BR>>> =
> - Mditation, Pranaayaam, Japa, Homam or such Saadhanas<BR>>> >=
; - Shirsaasan, Sarvaangaasan<BR>>> > - Prohibition of seeing TV C=
hannels and Movies<BR>>> > - Thinking mentally that all women are =
Sisters/Mothers<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Above all, Prayers to the=
Ishta Devata. unceasing prayer is the<BR>> key.<BR>>> > withou=
t Grace of the Lord, it is impossible to uproot the Desire<BR>>> >=
completely.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > efforts, efforts and efforts=
.... prayers, prayers and<BR>> prayers...cry<BR>>> > and then o=
ne will start winning over the most draded of enemies.<BR>>> ><BR>=
>> > Vivekananda said "The
Character is establised through thousa=
nd<BR>>> > stumbles" - no need to lose heart.<BR>>> ><BR>=
>> > warm regards,<BR>>> ><BR>>> > utpal<BR>>=
> ><BR>>> > --- In <A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogro=
ups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40ya=
hoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>, "Ajit Krishnan"<BR>>&=
gt; > <ajit.krishnan@ > wrote:<BR>>> > ><BR>>> &=
gt; > namaste,<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > > I apologize f=
or opening my mouth. This is truly a case of the<BR>>> > blind lea=
ding<BR>>> > > the blind.<BR>>> > ><BR>>> >=
; > > Feeling of guilt is a weight and it does not help in<BR>> ov=
ercoming<BR>>> > the basic<BR>>> > > ...<BR>>> &=
gt; > > True, suppressing desire will make the desire come back<BR>&g=
t; later.<BR>>> > But, if
one<BR>>> > > > keeps fu=
lfilling desires, they never end!! This is the<BR>> nature<BR>>> &=
gt; of desire.<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > ><BR>>> >=
> One of my favourite books is the mudgala-purana, which is a<BR>> p=
urana<BR>>> > about<BR>>> > > Ganesha. Here, Ganesha h=
as 8 avatAras, which come to destroy 8<BR>>> > demons: envy,<BR>&g=
t;> > > lust, delusion, greed, anger, desire, "my-ness" and pride.=
In<BR>> the<BR>>> > chapter<BR>>> > > where Ganesh=
a destroys the "desire demon", the demon is<BR>> described<BR>>> &=
gt; as having<BR>>> > > two children -- shoShaNa and duShpUra i=
.e. (1) one who dries<BR>>> > things up /<BR>>> > > de=
stroys and (2) one who can never be satisfied.<BR>>> > ><BR>>=
;> > > Satisfying desire always results in fanning the fire of des=
ire.<BR>>> > And in
the<BR>>> > > process, other thin=
gs become neglected (dried up). Eventually,<BR>> one<BR>>> > fe=
el's<BR>>> > > guilt / shame, where, again, the heart literally=
feels like it<BR>> is<BR>>> > drying up.<BR>>> > >=
<BR>>> > > Ganesha comes to uproot the "desire demon" as the<BR=
>>> > avatAra "vikaTa", which<BR>>> > > means "one who=
is horrible / monstrous". The purana explains<BR>> that<BR>>> >=
; we have to<BR>>> > > see things "as they are". To do this, we=
should think of<BR>> desired<BR>>> > objects, as<BR>>> &=
gt; > something horrible. The desire falls away, and we will be able<BR>=
> to<BR>>> > see<BR>>> > > Ganesha in his vikaTa fo=
rm.<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > > This technique is described=
in Shankaracharya' s famous<BR>> stotra "moha<BR>>> > > mud=
gara", i.e. taking a
hammer to "delusion". This is also<BR>> known<BR>&=
gt;> > as "bhaja<BR>>> > > govindam". Here, he teaches th=
at we should repeatedly remember<BR>>> > that the<BR>>> >=
> female form is merely a modification (rather a horrible<BR>>> &=
gt; contortion) of flesh<BR>>> > > and fat.<BR>>> > &g=
t;<BR>>> > > Thus, we pray to Ganesha, who illuminates the worl=
d, and shows<BR>> it<BR>>> > as it is,<BR>>> > > co=
ntorted and un-deserving of desire.<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > =
> bhavadIyaH,<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > > ajit<BR><BR></=
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Dear Nalini
=C2=A0
Sorry for interrupting in your question to Narasimha.You=
r mail reminded me of a similar incident.=C2=A0I have a friend who does ver=
y severe japa of a mantra she had recieved in a dream. It was a strange dre=
am where she saw a little girl, naked, come and sit on her lap and when she=
asked teh girl who she (the girl) was, the reply came in sanskrit. Now my =
friend does not know or even understand Sanskrit, so she could not understa=
nd what the girl was saying. Then after some time the girl in the dream kep=
t repeating what sounded like a mantra in her ears.
=C2=A0
>From next day mo=
rning my friend started chanting that mantra, after about one and half year=
s of chanting recently she did a sankalpa for chanting and had experinces s=
imilar to the kind u described. She felt her whole body was internally burn=
ing, though there was no fever. Her relation with her mom started getting b=
itter with constant fights etc..
=C2=A0
Later after some days it reduced ag=
ain. I think this maybe a way the karmas are cut off from you. I am not sur=
e of course, Narasimha can tell you better. He much more knowledgeable in=
=C2=A0 these things.
=C2=A0
-Regards
=C2=A0Rajarshi
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
"This a=
bove all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet
--- On Tue, 4/11/08, nalini=

swamy <nalini2818@...> wrote:
From: nalini swamy <nalini2818@yahoo.=

com>
To: vedic-wisdo=
m@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 4 November, 2008, 3:58 PM
Dear Al=
l,
Namaskar.
=C2=A0
Yes, indeed.
I=C2=A0had a doubt that I wanted to ask Na=
rasimha garu. I recited Sree Hanumathbadabanala stotram some time back. I h=
ad an unusual experience of 'being on fire',=C2=A0during the initial stages=
. It was as if I was engulfed in a ball of fire, which slowly receded over =
time. I had a similar experience during the Navaratri puja when reciting
De=
vi kavacham. I still have that feeling of an=C2=A0aura of fire around me an=
d feel extremely hot and sweat=C2=A0even in the cold weather. This stays on=
for a time. I also had to face extreme circumstances in 'relationships' th=
at matter to me and there is a steady deterioration, almost as if a=C2=A0he=
avy veil has been torn asunder.
I=C2=A0vaguely remember Narasimha ji telli=
ng us in some forum that there might be some ramifications relating to karm=
a that could manifest when/ after sadhana/worship.
Could you please clarify=
, Narasimha garu?
=C2=A0
Regards
Nalini
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
From: rajarshi n=
andy <rajarshi14@yahoo. co.in>
Sent: Tue=
sday, 4 November, 2008 5:36:52 PM
Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Regarding=
Brahamcharya
Dear All,
=C2=A0
Excellent chain of mails indeed, inc=
luding the metion and significance of teh Vikata Rupa of Ganapati to overco=
me lust.
=C2=A0
This is indeed one of the finest internet forums. May Naras=
imhaji and the other learned members keep up the good work, there is so muc=
h that ordinary people like me get to learn just by reading these mails!.
=
=C2=A0
-Regards
=C2=A0Rajarshi
"This above all: to thine own self be tru=

e!" - Hamlet
--- On Tue, 4/11/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net> =

wrote:

m] Re: Regarding Brahamcharya
Date: Tues=
day, 4 November, 2008, 9:49 AM
Guys,
I am glad everything is sorted ou=

t. But, in general, let us be less
defensive and instead focus on subject.=
Knowing Ajit's nature, I knew
exactly what he meant. However, even if Aji=
t or someone actually said
something negative about me, it is not a big de=
al. One is who one is and
words, good or bad, do not change that, for bett=
er or worse. Why be
Ajit, you are certainly qual=

ified in commenting. I always knew that you have
tremendous scholarship, g=
reat humility and sincerity. People far less
qualified than you talk/write=
so much in today's world. Please do write
more.
The imagery thrown up by=

the Puranic story mentioned by you is really nice!
Friends,
Lord Hanuman=
is one who fully overcame lust. He can be worshipped for giving
self-cont=
rol.
Lord Hrishikesha gives purity and control over senses (hrishika + ish=
a =3D
lord of senses). He can be worshipped for control over senses.
Moth=
er Kaali gives dispassion and kills the root of desires. She can be
worshi=
pped for getting rid of desires.
Several things are possible. But, for mos=

t people in today's times, it is
not going to be one magic bullet that doe=
s it, but a combination of various
Try to =
increase the understanding of what is permanent and what is
transient.
Be=
st regards,
Narasimha
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- =
--------- -
am
Spi=
Free Jyotish lesso=
------------ --------- --------- --------- -----=
---- --------- -
From: "utpal pathak" <vedi=
c_pathak@ yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, Nov=
ember 03, 2008 9:39 PM
=
> Namaste,
>
> Please accept my sincere apology as I misunderstood it compl=
etely.
>
> Best Regrads,
>
> utpal
>
> --- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. co=
m, "Ajit Krishnan"
>>
>> namaste,
>>
>> > may=
i ask why you felt that it is a blind leading blind?
>> Re-reading the for=
matting of my response, the question is
>> that _my co=
mments_ are a case of the blind leading the blind,
> since I am not
>> qual=
ified to comment about anything. I did not intend to question
>> Narasimha'=
s comments in any way. I apologize for any confusion.
>>
>> bhavadIyaH,
>>
=
>> ajit
>>
> <vedic_pathak=
@ ...>wrote:
>>
>> > Namaste,
>> >
>> > may i ask why you felt that it is a=
blind leading blind?
>> >
>> > There are many ways to fight desires, espec=
ially Lust for
> *Sambhog*
>> >
>> > what you suggested can be ONE of the m=
any ways and infact
> everybody
>> > in their heart of hearts knows. how mu=
ch powerful it is. it is
> like
>> > tsunami which has a capability to swee=
p off the feat, even the
>> >
>> > Sh=
ivananada says in his manual of Brahmacharya that it requires
> to
>> > att=
ack the lust from all sides to really overcome and destroy.
>> >
>> > If so=
me one needs to keepup Brahmacharya, some practical tips
> are-
>> >
>> > -=
Cold water Bath
>> > - No Onion, Garlic in food. avoiding very spicy and v=
ery Hot
> food.
>> > - avoiding over eating at night. (Stomach should not b=
e full)
>> > - Mditation, Pranaayaam, Japa, Homam or such Saadhanas
>> > - =
Shirsaasan, Sarvaangaasan
>> > - Prohibition of seeing TV Channels and Movi=
es
>> > - Thinking mentally that all women are Sisters/Mothers
>> >
>> > Ab=
ove all, Prayers to the Ishta Devata. unceasing prayer is the
> key.
>> > w=
ithout Grace of the Lord, it is impossible to uproot the Desire
>> > comple=
tely.
>> >
> pra=
yers...cry
>> > and then one will start winning over the most draded of ene=
mies.
>> >
>> > Vivekananda said "The Character is establised through thous=
and
>> >
>> > warm regards,
>> >
>>=
> utpal
>> >
>> > --- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "Ajit Krishnan"
>=
> > <ajit.krishnan@ > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > namaste,
>> > >
>> > > I apologi=
ze for opening my mouth. This is truly a case of the
>> > blind leading
>> =
> > the blind.
>> > >
>> > > > Feeling of guilt is a weight and it does not=
help in
> overcoming
>> > the basic
>> > > ...
>> > > > True, suppressing =
desire will make the desire come back
> later.
>> > But, if one
>> > > > ke=
eps fulfilling desires, they never end!! This is the
> nature
>> > of desir=
e.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > One of my favourite books is the mudgala-purana, wh=
ich is a
> purana
>> > about
>> > > Ganesha. Here, Ganesha has 8 avatAras, =
which come to destroy 8
>> > demons: envy,
>> > > lust, delusion, greed, an=
ger, desire, "my-ness" and pride. In
> the
>> > chapter
>> > > where Ganesh=
a destroys the "desire demon", the demon is
> described
>> > as having
>> >=
> two children -- shoShaNa and duShpUra i.e. (1) one who dries
>> > things=
up /
>> > > destroys and (2) one who can never be satisfied.
>> > >
>> > >=
Satisfying desire always results in fanning the fire of desire.
>> > And i=
n the
>> > > process, other things become neglected (dried up). Eventually,=
> one
>> > feel's
>> > > guilt / shame, where, again, the heart literally =
feels like it
> is
>> > drying up.
>> > >
>> > > Ganesha comes to uproot th=
e "desire demon" as the
>> > > means "one who =
is horrible / monstrous". The purana explains
> that
>> > we have to
>> > >=
see things "as they are". To do this, we should think of
> desired
>> > ob=
jects, as
>> > > something horrible. The desire falls away, and we will be =
able
> to
>> > see
>> > >
>> > > This te=
chnique is described in Shankaracharya' s famous
> stotra "moha
>> > > mudg=
ara", i.e. taking a hammer to "delusion". This is also
> known
>> > as "bha=
ja
>> > > govindam". Here, he teaches that we should repeatedly remember
>>=
> that the
=
>> > > and fat.
>> > >
>> > > Thus, we pray to Ga=
nesha, who illuminates the world, and shows
> it
>> > as it is,
>> > > cont=
orted and un-deserving of desire.
>> > >
>> > > bhavadIyaH,
>> > >
>> > > a=
jit
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Dear Nalini</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV=
>Sorry for interrupting in your question to Narasimha.Your mail reminded me=
of a similar incident. I have a friend who does very severe japa of a=
mantra she had recieved in a dream. It was a strange dream where she saw a=
little girl, naked, come and sit on her lap and when she asked teh girl wh=
o she (the girl) was, the reply came in sanskrit. Now my friend does not kn=
ow or even understand Sanskrit, so she could not understand what the girl w=
as saying. Then after some time the girl in the dream kept repeating what s=
ounded like a mantra in her ears.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>From next da=
y morning my friend started chanting that mantra, after about one and half =
years of chanting recently she did a sankalpa for chanting and had experinc=
es similar to the kind u described. She felt her whole body was internally =
burning, though there was no fever. Her relation with her mom started getti=
ng bitter with constant fights etc..</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Later aft=
er some days it reduced again. I think this maybe a way the karmas are cut =
off from you. I am not sure of course, Narasimha can tell you better. He mu=
ch more knowledgeable in these things.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-=
Regards</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR> </=
DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This above all: to thine own=
self be true!" - Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>-=
-- On <B>Tue, 4/11/08, nalini swamy <I><nalini2818@...></I></B>=
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDE=
R-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: nalini swamy <nalini2818@yahoo.c=
om><BR>Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Regarding Brahamcharya<BR>To: ved=
ic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Tuesday, 4 November, 2008, 3:58 PM<BR><B=
R>
<DIV id=3Dyiv385434042>
<DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif">
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>De=
ar All,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Yes, indeed.</DIV=
>
<DIV>I had a doubt that I wanted to ask Narasimha garu. I recited Sr=
ee Hanumathbadabanala stotram some time back. I had an unusual experience o=
f 'being on fire', during the initial stages. It was as if I was engul=
fed in a ball of fire, which slowly receded over time. I had a similar expe=
rience during the Navaratri puja when reciting</DIV>
<DIV>Devi kavacham. I =
still have that feeling of an aura of fire around me and feel extremel=
y hot and sweat even in the cold weather. This stays on for a time. I =
also had to face extreme circumstances in 'relationships' that matter to me=
and there is a steady deterioration, almost as if a heavy veil has be=
en torn asunder. </DIV>
<DIV>I vaguely remember Narasimha ji telling u=
s in some forum that there might be some ramifications relating to karma th=
at could manifest when/ after sadhana/worship.</DIV>
<DIV>Could you please =
clarify, Narasimha garu?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regards</DIV>
<DIV>Na=
lini<BR> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
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le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif"><BR>
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<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> rajarshi nan=
dy <rajarshi14@yahoo. co.in><BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">=
To:</SPAN></B> vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEI=
GHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, 4 November, 2008 5:36:52 PM<BR><B><SPA=
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garding Brahamcharya<BR></FONT><BR>
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Dear All,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Excellent chain of mails indeed, inc=
luding the metion and significance of teh Vikata Rupa of Ganapati to overco=
me lust.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This is indeed one of the finest inte=
rnet forums. May Narasimhaji and the other learned members keep up the good=
work, there is so much that ordinary people like me get to learn just by r=
eading these mails!.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV> =
;Rajarshi<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><S=
PAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This abov=
e all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG><=
/EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 4/11/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@c=
harter. net></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16=
,16,255) 2px solid">From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net><BR>=
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Regarding Brahamcharya<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@ yah=
oogroups. com<BR>Date: Tuesday, 4 November, 2008, 9:49 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=
=3Dyiv240371432>
<DIV>Guys,<BR><BR>I am glad everythin=
g is sorted out. But, in general, let us be less <BR>defensive and instead =
focus on subject. Knowing Ajit's nature, I knew <BR>exactly what he meant. =
However, even if Ajit or someone actually said <BR>something negative about=
me, it is not a big deal. One is who one is and <BR>words, good or bad, do=
not change that, for better or worse. Why be <BR>sensitive to words then?<=
BR><BR>Ajit, you are certainly qualified in commenting. I always knew that =
you have <BR>tremendous scholarship, great humility and sincerity. People f=
ar less <BR>qualified than you talk/write so much in today's world. Please =
do write <BR>more.<BR><BR>The imagery thrown up by the Puranic story mentio=
ned by you is really nice!<BR><BR>Friends,<BR><BR>Lord Hanuman is one who f=
ully overcame lust. He can be worshipped for giving <BR>self-control.<BR><B=
R>Lord Hrishikesha gives purity and control over senses (hrishika + isha =
=3D <BR>lord of senses). He can be
worshipped for control over senses.<BR>=
<BR>Mother Kaali gives dispassion and kills the root of desires. She can be=
<BR>worshipped for getting rid of desires.<BR><BR>Several things are possi=
ble. But, for most people in today's times, it is <BR>not going to be one m=
agic bullet that does it, but a combination of various <BR>practices. Patie=
nce is needed.<BR><BR>Try to increase the understanding of what is permanen=
t and what is <BR>transient.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>---------=
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ak%40yahoo.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic_pathak@ yahoo.com</A>&=
gt;<BR>To: <<A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_=
blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</A>><BR>Sent: Monday=
, November 03, 2008 9:39 PM<BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Regarding Braham=
charya<BR><BR>> Namaste,<BR>><BR>> Please accept my sincere
apolo=
gy as I misunderstood it completely.<BR>><BR>> Best Regrads,<BR>><=
BR>> utpal<BR>><BR>> --- In <A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoo=
groups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com</=
A>, "Ajit Krishnan"<BR>> <ajit.krishnan@ ...> wrote:<BR>>><B=
R>>> namaste,<BR>>><BR>>> > may i ask why you felt tha=
t it is a blind leading blind?<BR>>> Re-reading the formatting of my =
response, the question is<BR>> justified. I meant<BR>>> that _my c=
omments_ are a case of the blind leading the blind,<BR>> since I am not<=
BR>>> qualified to comment about anything. I did not intend to questi=
on<BR>>> Narasimha's comments in any way. I apologize for any confusi=
on.<BR>>><BR>>> bhavadIyaH,<BR>>><BR>>> ajit<BR>>=
;><BR>>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:51 AM, utpal pathak<BR>> <=
;vedic_pathak@ ...>wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> >
Namaste,<BR>>=
> ><BR>>> > may i ask why you felt that it is a blind leadin=
g blind?<BR>>> ><BR>>> > There are many ways to fight des=
ires, especially Lust for<BR>> *Sambhog*<BR>>> ><BR>>> &g=
t; what you suggested can be ONE of the many ways and infact<BR>> everyb=
ody<BR>>> > in their heart of hearts knows. how much powerful it i=
s. it is<BR>> like<BR>>> > tsunami which has a capability to sw=
eep off the feat, even the<BR>>> > Saints if they are not vigilant=
.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Shivananada says in his manual of Brahm=
acharya that it requires<BR>> to<BR>>> > attack the lust from a=
ll sides to really overcome and destroy.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > =
If some one needs to keepup Brahmacharya, some practical tips<BR>> are-<=
BR>>> ><BR>>> > - Cold water Bath<BR>>> > - No O=
nion, Garlic in food. avoiding very spicy and very
Hot<BR>> food.<BR>&g=
t;> > - avoiding over eating at night. (Stomach should not be full)<B=
R>>> > - Mditation, Pranaayaam, Japa, Homam or such Saadhanas<BR>&=
gt;> > - Shirsaasan, Sarvaangaasan<BR>>> > - Prohibition of =
seeing TV Channels and Movies<BR>>> > - Thinking mentally that all=
women are Sisters/Mothers<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Above all, Pra=
yers to the Ishta Devata. unceasing prayer is the<BR>> key.<BR>>> =
> without Grace of the Lord, it is impossible to uproot the Desire<BR>&g=
t;> > completely.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > efforts, efforts =
and efforts.... prayers, prayers and<BR>> prayers...cry<BR>>> >=
and then one will start winning over the most draded of enemies.<BR>>&g=
t; ><BR>>> > Vivekananda said "The Character is establised thro=
ugh thousand<BR>>> > stumbles" - no need to lose heart.<BR>>>=
; ><BR>>> > warm
regards,<BR>>> ><BR>>> > ut=
pal<BR>>> ><BR>>> > --- In <A href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom=
%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroup=
s. com</A>, "Ajit Krishnan"<BR>>> > <ajit.krishnan@ > wrote:=
<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > > namaste,<BR>>> > >=
<BR>>> > > I apologize for opening my mouth. This is truly a ca=
se of the<BR>>> > blind leading<BR>>> > > the blind.<B=
R>>> > ><BR>>> > > > Feeling of guilt is a weigh=
t and it does not help in<BR>> overcoming<BR>>> > the basic<BR>=
>> > > ...<BR>>> > > > True, suppressing desire =
will make the desire come back<BR>> later.<BR>>> > But, if one<=
BR>>> > > > keeps fulfilling desires, they never end!! This =
is the<BR>> nature<BR>>> > of desire.<BR>>> > ><BR>=
>> >
><BR>>> > > One of my favourite books is the =
mudgala-purana, which is a<BR>> purana<BR>>> > about<BR>>>=
; > > Ganesha. Here, Ganesha has 8 avatAras, which come to destroy 8<=
BR>>> > demons: envy,<BR>>> > > lust, delusion, greed,=
anger, desire, "my-ness" and pride. In<BR>> the<BR>>> > chapte=
r<BR>>> > > where Ganesha destroys the "desire demon", the demo=
n is<BR>> described<BR>>> > as having<BR>>> > > two=
children -- shoShaNa and duShpUra i.e. (1) one who dries<BR>>> > =
things up /<BR>>> > > destroys and (2) one who can never be sat=
isfied.<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > > Satisfying desire alway=
s results in fanning the fire of desire.<BR>>> > And in the<BR>>=
;> > > process, other things become neglected (dried up). Eventual=
ly,<BR>> one<BR>>> > feel's<BR>>> > > guilt / shame=
,
where, again, the heart literally feels like it<BR>> is<BR>>> &=
gt; drying up.<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > > Ganesha comes to=
uproot the "desire demon" as the<BR>>> > avatAra "vikaTa", which<=
BR>>> > > means "one who is horrible / monstrous". The purana e=
xplains<BR>> that<BR>>> > we have to<BR>>> > > see =
things "as they are". To do this, we should think of<BR>> desired<BR>>=
;> > objects, as<BR>>> > > something horrible. The desire=
falls away, and we will be able<BR>> to<BR>>> > see<BR>>>=
; > > Ganesha in his vikaTa form.<BR>>> > ><BR>>> &=
gt; > This technique is described in Shankaracharya' s famous<BR>> st=
otra "moha<BR>>> > > mudgara", i.e. taking a hammer to "delusio=
n". This is also<BR>> known<BR>>> > as "bhaja<BR>>> > =
> govindam". Here, he teaches that we should repeatedly
remember<BR>>=
;> > that the<BR>>> > > female form is merely a modificat=
ion (rather a horrible<BR>>> > contortion) of flesh<BR>>> &g=
t; > and fat.<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > > Thus, we pray =
to Ganesha, who illuminates the world, and shows<BR>> it<BR>>> >=
; as it is,<BR>>> > > contorted and un-deserving of desire.<BR>=
>> > ><BR>>> > > bhavadIyaH,<BR>>> > ><=
BR>>> > > ajit<BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR>=
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Dear Sir, I would like to share one of my great Devine experience about shr=
i Ramkrishnadev. This is an unbelievable experience that I have had. I have=
not added anything from my own. I am writing exactly as was happened in my=
life. I am going back to the period of 1973/74. Kindly read this only when=
you are in religious mood.
=C2=A0
I was working as telegraphist at Okha Po=
rt Post office near Dwarka. My duty was from 7 am to 7 pm and I was getting=
late fee allowance for extra duty. There was a Telephone exchange just opp=
osite to Post office and due to same Dep=E2=80=99t; I had friendship with s=
ome Telephone operators. One Mr. Ramanbhai Patel, (we will call him as Mr. =
Patel) was working as Operator. He was a staunch devotee of=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 shri Ramkrishnadev. Whenever I was meeting him he was always talking ab=
out shri Thakur. We came close day by day. There was a weekly gathering at =
his home called SATSANGA. He was singing devotional songs created by him an=
d was weeping while singing. He was reading Ramkrishna Kathamrita. We 10 to=
12 youngsters were attending this weekly meeting on Saturday evening. I wa=
s then 24 years old. Mr. Patel was of 30 then. We were used to go to seasho=
re daily at 7 pm after duty hours and were talking only about Thakur.
One d=
ay when we were at sea shore he suddenly told me--=E2=80=9CRawalbhai, some =
guest have come to my home and my wife is remembering me. My son will come =
in a few minutes to call me. I shall have to go now=E2=80=9D. -- And with m=
y surprise his 8 years old son came to call him.
At one another incident h=
e told me that there will be a plane crash tomorrow and that also happened.=
I was very much impressed about him. He could foresee the events. One day =
I had to go to Dwarka by Bus, he told me not to go through bus, as bus tire=
will be punctured. Yet I went to Bus station but bus did not come from Dwa=
rka as was punctured on the way. This was surprising.
This all incidents ma=
de me to believe that he had some super power and this was due to Ramkrisha=
ndev worship only. I was attracted to shri Thakur. One day I thought, I sho=
uld also be disciple of shri Thakur and the day came. It was 4/4/1974. At 7=
pm I surrendered myself to Thakur at Mr. Patel=E2=80=99s house before Thak=
ur picture. I prayed him deeply from my heart to accept me as his follower =
and bestow his grace.
Next day morning I had a discussion with my wife at =
6.10 morning while taking the tea. As my duty was to start from 7 am I was =
waking up at 5.45 morning. I told to my wife in the morning that I have acc=
epted Shri Ramkrishnadev as my Gurudev. My wife was annoyed and she argued =
with me a lot. =E2=80=94=E2=80=9CWhy should you take such a hasty decision?=
Ramkrishna Paramhamsa was a devotee of Maa Kali at Calcutta. He was a grea=
t Saint but our Guru should be living one, who can guide us, give us Mantra=
etc. etc. Better you take Dixa from Shri Ram Sharma Acharya since you are =
doing Gayatri Mantra=E2=80=9D--.
Her arguments were right at her place as p=
eople in general not know much about Thakur and I was confused. I thought--=
yes I have taken hasty decision. I was in the influence of Mr. Patel. --
B=
ut I remember that Mr. Patel had told me that Thakur was telling their disc=
iples to test him before accepting him. I also decided to test Thakur. I im=
mediately told my wife that =E2=80=93=E2=80=9CSee, Mr. Patel has never come=
to our home. You have also not seen him. He has never asked me where I am =
living. Suppose Mr. Patel is coming to our house within 10 to 15 minutes, w=
ould you believe that my selection for Thakur is perfect?=E2=80=9D--
She la=
ughed at me=E2=80=94=E2=80=9CHow it is possible? I don=E2=80=99t believe.=
=E2=80=9D--
I prayed Shri Thakur to send Mr. Patel immediately to justify m=
y decision and convince my wife. =E2=80=98I want to test your existence eve=
n today.=E2=80=99
To our great surprise, Mr. Patel was at my home at 06.30 =
in the morning with angry mood. What he told?
=E2=80=98 How dare you test T=
hakur this way? Do you know what happened? Yesterday was my night duty and =
I had just come to my home at 05.30 mornings today and tried to sleep for 1=
or 2 hours. Suddenly Thakur pulled my blanket and told me that-=E2=80=9C G=
o to your friend=E2=80=99s house. He is waiting for you. He wants to test m=
e. I will show you his house=E2=80=9D
I immediately rushed to your home. Th=
akur was guiding me the way to your house and pushing me too. What you want=
? Why you are disturbing him in such an early morning for such a silly thin=
gs?=E2=80=99
We both were so excited and surprised that we had no words tha=
t Morning.
I will never forget that 5th April, a miracle day in my life. T=
here were some more Devine experiences about Shri Thakur but I will write i=
t sometime.
Dear Sir, and forum members, Ramkrishandev is still alive on th=
e earth. This is a fact I have written and no word is added to exaggerate.=
=C2=A0 May Shri Thakur bless all of us.
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in=
0pt"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>Dear Sir, I would=
like to share one of my great Devine experience about shri <B>Ramkrishnade=
v</B>. This is an unbelievable experience that I have had. I have not added=
anything from my own. I am writing exactly as was happened in my life. I a=
m going back to the period of 1973/74. <B>Kindly read this only when you ar=
e in religious mood</B>.<?xml:namespace prefix =3D o ns =3D "urn:schemas-mi=
crosoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3DMso=
Normal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><=
FONT size=3D3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal st=
yle=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=
=3D3>I was working as telegraphist at Okha Port Post office near Dwarka. My=
duty was from 7 am to 7 pm and I was getting late fee allowance for extra =
duty. There was a Telephone exchange just opposite to Post office and due t=
o same Dep=E2=80=99t; I had friendship with some Telephone operators. One M=
r. Ramanbhai Patel, (we will call him as Mr. Patel) was working as Operator=
. He was a staunch devotee of<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN>shri Ramkrishnadev. Whenever I was meeting him he was always =
talking about shri Thakur. We came close day by day. There was a weekly gat=
hering at his home called SATSANGA. He was singing devotional songs created=
by him and was weeping while singing. He was reading Ramkrishna Kathamrita=
. We 10 to 12 youngsters were attending this weekly meeting on Saturday eve=
ning. I was then 24 years old. Mr. Patel was of 30 then. We
were used to g=
o to seashore daily at 7 pm after duty hours and were talking only about Th=
akur.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: =
0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>One day wh=
en we were at sea shore he suddenly told me--=E2=80=9CRawalbhai, some guest=
have come to my home and my wife is remembering me. My son will come in a =
few minutes to call me. I shall have to go now=E2=80=9D. -- And with my sur=
prise his 8 years old son came to call him. <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>=
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAM=

ILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>At one another incident he told me that there =
will be a plane crash tomorrow and that also happened. I was very much impr=
essed about him. He could foresee the events. One day I had to go to Dwarka=
by Bus, he told me not to go through bus, as bus tire will be punctured. Y=
et I went to Bus station but bus did not come from Dwarka as was punctured =
on the way. This was surprising.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3D=
MsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana=
"><FONT size=3D3>This all incidents made me to believe that he had some sup=
er power and this was due to Ramkrishandev worship only. I was attracted to=
shri Thakur. One day I thought, I should also be disciple of shri Thakur a=
nd the day came. It was 4/4/1974. At 7 pm I surrendered myself to Thakur at=
Mr. Patel=E2=80=99s house before Thakur picture. I prayed him deeply from =
my heart to accept me as his follower and bestow his grace. <o:p></o:p></FO=
NT></SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN s=
tyle=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>Next day morning I had a discu=
ssion with my wife at 6.10 morning while taking the tea. As my duty was to =
start from 7 am I was waking up at 5.45 morning. I told to my wife in the m=
orning that I have accepted Shri Ramkrishnadev as my Gurudev. My wife was a=
nnoyed and she argued with me a lot. =E2=80=94=E2=80=9CWhy should you take =
such a hasty decision? Ramkrishna Paramhamsa was a devotee of Maa Kali at C=
alcutta. He was a great Saint but our Guru should be living one, who can gu=
ide us, give us Mantra etc. etc. Better you take Dixa from Shri Ram Sharma =
Acharya since you are doing Gayatri Mantra=E2=80=9D--.<o:p></o:p></FONT></S=
PAN></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>Her arguments were right at her pl=
ace as people in general not know much about Thakur and I was confused. I t=
hought-- yes I have taken hasty decision. I was in the influence of Mr. Pat=
el. --<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN:=
0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>But I rem=
ember that Mr. Patel had told me that Thakur was telling their disciples to=
test him before accepting him. I also decided to test Thakur. I immediatel=
y told my wife that =E2=80=93=E2=80=9CSee, Mr. Patel has never come to our =
home. You have also not seen him. He has never asked me where I am living. =
Suppose Mr. Patel is coming to our house within 10 to 15 minutes, would you=
believe that my selection for Thakur is perfect?=E2=80=9D--<o:p></o:p></FO=
NT></SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN s=
tyle=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>She laughed at me=E2=80=94=E2=
=80=9CHow it is possible? I don=E2=80=99t believe.=E2=80=9D--<o:p></o:p></F=
ONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>I prayed Shri Thakur to send =
Mr. Patel immediately to justify my decision and convince my wife. =E2=80=
=98I want to test your existence even today.=E2=80=99<o:p></o:p></FONT></SP=
AN></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style=3D=
"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>To our great surprise, Mr. Patel was =
at my home at 06.30 in the morning with angry mood. What he told?<o:p></o:p=
></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><S=
PAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>=E2=80=98 How dare you te=
st Thakur this way? Do you know what happened? Yesterday was my night duty =
and I had just come to my home at 05.30 mornings today and tried to sleep f=
or 1 or 2 hours. Suddenly Thakur pulled my blanket and told me that-=E2=80=
=9C Go to your friend=E2=80=99s house. He is waiting for you. He wants to t=
est me. I will show you his house=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<=
P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>I immediately rushed to your home. Thakur was gu=
iding me the way to your house and pushing me too. What you want? Why you a=
re disturbing him in such an early morning for such a silly things?=E2=80=
=99<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0i=
n 0in 0pt"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>We both were=
so excited and surprised that we had no words that Morning. <o:p></o:p></F=
ONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>I will never forget that 5<SU=
P>th</SUP> April, a miracle day in my life. There were some more Devine exp=
eriences about Shri Thakur but I will write it sometime.<o:p></o:p></FONT><=
/SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>Dear Sir, and forum members, <B>Ra=
mkrishandev is still alive on the earth</B>. This is a fact I have written =
and no word is added to exaggerate.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN>May Shri Thakur bless all of us.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:=
Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>Dr. Ashwin Rawal Ahmedabad<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN=
></DIV><BR><BR></td></tr></table><br>
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>
> Dear Sir, I would like to share one of my great Devine=
experience
about shri Ramkrishnadev. This is an unbelievable experience th=
at I
have had. I have not added anything from my own. I am writing exactly
=
as was happened in my life. I am going back to the period of 1973/74.
Kindl=
y read this only when you are in religious mood.
> =C2=A0
> I was working a=
s telegraphist at Okha Port Post office near Dwarka.
My duty was from 7 am =
to 7 pm and I was getting late fee allowance for
extra duty. There was a Te=
lephone exchange just opposite to Post
office and due to same Dep=E2=80=99t=
; I had friendship with some Telephone
operators. One Mr. Ramanbhai Patel, =
(we will call him as Mr. Patel)
was working as Operator. He was a staunch d=
evotee of=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 shri
Ramkrishnadev. Whenever I was meeting him =
he was always talking about
shri Thakur. We came close day by day. There wa=
s a weekly gathering at
his home called SATSANGA. He was singing devotional=
songs created by
him and was weeping while singing. He was reading Ramkris=
hna
Kathamrita. We 10 to 12 youngsters were attending this weekly meeting
o=
n Saturday evening. I was then 24 years old. Mr. Patel was of 30
then. We w=
ere used to go to seashore daily at 7 pm after duty hours
and were talking =
only about Thakur.
> One day when we were at sea shore he suddenly told me-=
-=E2=80=9CRawalbhai,
some guest have come to my home and my wife is remembe=
ring me. My son
will come in a few minutes to call me. I shall have to go n=
ow=E2=80=9D. --
And with my surprise his 8 years old son came to call him. =
> At one another incident he told me that there will be a plane crash
tomo=
rrow and that also happened. I was very much impressed about him.
He could =
foresee the events. One day I had to go to Dwarka by Bus, he
told me not to=
go through bus, as bus tire will be punctured. Yet I
went to Bus station b=
ut bus did not come from Dwarka as was punctured
on the way. This was surpr=
ising.
> This all incidents made me to believe that he had some super power=
and this was due to Ramkrishandev worship only. I was attracted to

shri Th=
akur. One day I thought, I should also be disciple of shri
Thakur and the d=
ay came. It was 4/4/1974. At 7 pm I surrendered myself
to Thakur at Mr. Pat=
el=E2=80=99s house before Thakur picture. I prayed him
deeply from my heart=
to accept me as his follower and bestow his grace.
> Next day morning I h=
ad a discussion with my wife at 6.10 morning
while taking the tea. As my du=
ty was to start from 7 am I was waking
up at 5.45 morning. I told to my wif=
e in the morning that I have
accepted Shri Ramkrishnadev as my Gurudev. My =
wife was annoyed and she
argued with me a lot. =E2=80"=E2=80=9CWhy should y=
ou take such a hasty decision?
Ramkrishna Paramhamsa was a devotee of Maa K=
ali at Calcutta. He was a
great Saint but our Guru should be living one, wh=
o can guide us, give
us Mantra etc. etc. Better you take Dixa from Shri Ram=
Sharma Acharya
since you are doing Gayatri Mantra=E2=80=9D--.
> Her argume=
nts were right at her place as people in general not know
much about Thakur=
and I was confused. I thought-- yes I have taken
hasty decision. I was in =
the influence of Mr. Patel. --
> But I remember that Mr. Patel had told me =
that Thakur was telling
their disciples to test him before accepting him. I=
also decided to
test Thakur. I immediately told my wife that =E2=80"=E2=80=
=9CSee, Mr. Patel has
never come to our home. You have also not seen him. H=
e has never asked
me where I am living. Suppose Mr. Patel is coming to our =
house within
10 to 15 minutes, would you believe that my selection for Thak=
ur is
perfect?=E2=80=9D--
> She laughed at me=E2=80"=E2=80=9CHow it is poss=
ible? I don=E2=80=99t believe.=E2=80=9D--
> I prayed Shri Thakur to send Mr=
. Patel immediately to justify my
decision and convince my wife. =E2=80=98I=
want to test your existence even
today.=E2=80=99
> To our great surprise, =
Mr. Patel was at my home at 06.30 in the
morning with angry mood. What he t=
old?
> =E2=80=98 How dare you test Thakur this way? Do you know what happen=
ed?
Yesterday was my night duty and I had just come to my home at 05.30
mor=
nings today and tried to sleep for 1 or 2 hours. Suddenly Thakur
pulled my =
blanket and told me that-=E2=80=9C Go to your friend=E2=80=99s house. He
is=
waiting for you. He wants to test me. I will show you his house=E2=80=9D
>=
I immediately rushed to your home. Thakur was guiding me the way to
your h=
ouse and pushing me too. What you want? Why you are disturbing
him in such =
an early morning for such a silly things?=E2=80=99
> We both were so excite=
d and surprised that we had no words that
Morning.
> I will never forget t=
hat 5th April, a miracle day in my life. There
were some more Devine experi=
ences about Shri Thakur but I will write
it sometime.
> Dear Sir, and forum=
members, Ramkrishandev is still alive on the
earth. This is a fact I have =
written and no word is added to
exaggerate.=C2=A0 May Shri Thakur bless all=
of us.
> Dr. Ashwin Rawal Ahmedabad
>
>
>
>
> Add more friends t=
o your messenger and enjoy! Go to
>

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Ashwin Bhai,
Namaste!
Please share more experiences. is Mr. Patel is in y=

our contact still?
best regards,
Utpal
--- In vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.c=
om, Ashwin Rawal <ashwinrawal@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Sir, I would like to sh=
are one of my great Devine experience
about shri Ramkrishnadev. This is an=
unbelievable experience that I
have had. I have not added anything from m=
y own. I am writing
exactly as was happened in my life. I am going back to=
the period of
1973/74. Kindly read this only when you are in religious mo=
od.
> =C2=A0
> I was working as telegraphist at Okha Port Post office near =
Dwarka. My duty was from 7 am to 7 pm and I was getting late fee

allowanc=
e for extra duty. There was a Telephone exchange just
opposite to Post off=
ice and due to same Dep=E2=80=99t; I had friendship
with some Telephone op=
erators. One Mr. Ramanbhai Patel, (we will
call him as Mr. Patel) was work=
ing as Operator. He was a staunch
devotee of=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 shri Ramkri=
shnadev. Whenever I was meeting him he
was always talking about shri Thaku=
r. We came close day by day.
There was a weekly gathering at his home call=
ed SATSANGA. He was
singing devotional songs created by him and was weepin=
g while
singing. He was reading Ramkrishna Kathamrita. We 10 to 12
youngs=
ters were attending this weekly meeting on Saturday evening. I
was then 24=
years old. Mr. Patel was of 30 then. We were used to go
to seashore daily=
at 7 pm after duty hours and were talking only
about Thakur.
> One day wh=
en we were at sea shore he suddenly told me--
=E2=80=9CRawalbhai, some gues=
t have come to my home and my wife is
remembering me. My son will come in =
a few minutes to call me. I
shall have to go now=E2=80=9D. -- And with my =
surprise his 8 years old son
came to call him.
> At one another incident =
he told me that there will be a plane
crash tomorrow and that also happene=
d. I was very much impressed
about him. He could foresee the events. One d=
ay I had to go to
Dwarka by Bus, he told me not to go through bus, as bus =
tire will be
punctured. Yet I went to Bus station but bus did not come fro=
m
Dwarka as was punctured on the way. This was surprising.
> This all inci=
dents made me to believe that he had some super power
and this was due to =
Ramkrishandev worship only. I was attracted to
shri Thakur. One day I thou=
ght, I should also be disciple of shri
Thakur and the day came. It was 4/4=
/1974. At 7 pm I surrendered
myself to Thakur at Mr. Patel=E2=80=99s house=
before Thakur picture. I
prayed him deeply from my heart to accept me as =
his follower and
bestow his grace.
> Next day morning I had a discussion =
with my wife at 6.10 morning
while taking the tea. As my duty was to start=
from 7 am I was waking
up at 5.45 morning. I told to my wife in the morni=
ng that I have
accepted Shri Ramkrishnadev as my Gurudev. My wife was anno=
yed and
she argued with me a lot. =E2=80"=E2=80=9CWhy should you take such=
a hasty
decision? Ramkrishna Paramhamsa was a devotee of Maa Kali at
Cal=
cutta. He was a great Saint but our Guru should be living one,
who can gui=
de us, give us Mantra etc. etc. Better you take Dixa from
Shri Ram Sharma =
Acharya since you are doing Gayatri Mantra=E2=80=9D--.
> Her arguments were=
right at her place as people in general not
know much about Thakur and I =
was confused. I thought-- yes I have
taken hasty decision. I was in the in=
fluence of Mr. Patel. --
> But I remember that Mr. Patel had told me that T=
hakur was telling
their disciples to test him before accepting him. I also=
decided to
test Thakur. I immediately told my wife that =E2=80"=E2=80=9CS=
ee, Mr. Patel
has never come to our home. You have also not seen him. He h=
as never
asked me where I am living. Suppose Mr. Patel is coming to our ho=
use
within 10 to 15 minutes, would you believe that my selection for
Thak=
ur is perfect?=E2=80=9D--
> She laughed at me=E2=80"=E2=80=9CHow it is poss=
ible? I don=E2=80=99t believe.=E2=80=9D--
> I prayed Shri Thakur to send Mr=
. Patel immediately to justify my
decision and convince my wife. =E2=80=98=
I want to test your existence even
today.=E2=80=99
> To our great surprise=
, Mr. Patel was at my home at 06.30 in the
morning with angry mood. What h=
e told?
> =E2=80=98 How dare you test Thakur this way? Do you know what hap=
pened?
Yesterday was my night duty and I had just come to my home at 05.30=
mornings today and tried to sleep for 1 or 2 hours. Suddenly Thakur

pull=
ed my blanket and told me that-=E2=80=9C Go to your friend=E2=80=99s house.=
He is waiting for you. He wants to test me. I will show you his
house=E2=
=80=9D
> I immediately rushed to your home. Thakur was guiding me the way
=
to your house and pushing me too. What you want? Why you are
disturbing hi=
m in such an early morning for such a silly things?=E2=80=99
> We both were=
so excited and surprised that we had no words that
Morning.
> I will nev=
er forget that 5th April, a miracle day in my life.
There were some more D=
evine experiences about Shri Thakur but I will
write it sometime.
> Dear S=
ir, and forum members, Ramkrishandev is still alive on the
earth. This is =
a fact I have written and no word is added to
exaggerate.=C2=A0 May Shri T=
hakur bless all of us.
> Dr. Ashwin Rawal Ahmedabad
>
>
>
>
> Add=
more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to
http://messenger.yahoo.co=
m/invite/
>
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Dear Ashwin ji,
It is a very interesting episode you have narrated! Thank=

you for sharing it.
After Ramakrishna left his body, several people saw =
him in embodied form.
That is entirely possible. When someone who did not=

identify with a body but identified with the entire universe lives in a bo=
dy and leaves, it is not like he has left. He is still there, in every atom=
and in everything. If someone is attached to him with that body of his and=
he has compassion for that person, he *can* give darshan to that person in=
that body. It is not that he is "alive" or "dead". It is just that he is i=
n every atom or sub-atomic particle of this creation because he has realize=
d the true nature of Self while living in the previous body and that realiz=
ation was intact even while leaving that body.
According to Sarada Mata, =

Ramakrishna told her and Lakshmi that he would be back after 100 years and =
that all of them would have to be reborn when he is reborn after 100 years.=
Thus, he may have already come to earth in a different body. But that does=
not matter. Those who have an attachment to Ramakrishna and stuck at the l=
ower level form may still be able to access his previous form.
Even after=
the form of Rama left this world and the form of Krishna was born, a devot=
ee of Rama who does great tapascharya for Rama may be able to realize a dar=
shan of the form of Rama.
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa was almost certainly an=

avatara.
Best regards,
Narasimha
---------------------------------------=
---------------------------
ologer.org/homam
/tarpana
Free Jyot=
-------------------------------------------=
-----------------------

From: Ashwin Ra=
wal
Cc: pvr@...
Sent: Wed=
nesday, November 05, 2008 10:25 AM
Subject: Shri Shri THAKUR is still ali=
ve today
Dear Sir, I would like to share one of my great Devine ex=

perience about shri Ramkrishnadev. This is an unbelievable experience that =
I have had. I have not added anything from my own. I am writing exactly as =
was happened in my life. I am going back to the period of 1973/74. Kindly r=
ead this only when you are in religious mood.
I was wor=
king as telegraphist at Okha Port Post office near Dwarka. My duty was from=
7 am to 7 pm and I was getting late fee allowance for extra duty. There wa=
s a Telephone exchange just opposite to Post office and due to same Dep=E2=
=80=99t; I had friendship with some Telephone operators. One Mr. Ramanbhai =
Patel, (we will call him as Mr. Patel) was working as Operator. He was a st=
aunch devotee of shri Ramkrishnadev. Whenever I was meeting him he was a=
lways talking about shri Thakur. We came close day by day. There was a week=
ly gathering at his home called SATSANGA. He was singing devotional songs c=
reated by him and was weeping while singing. He was reading Ramkrishna Kath=
amrita. We 10 to 12 youngsters were attending this weekly meeting on Saturd=
ay evening. I was then 24 years old. Mr. Patel was of 30 then. We were used=
to go to seashore daily at 7 pm after duty hours and were talking only abo=
ut Thakur.
One day when we were at sea shore he suddenly told me--=

=E2=80=9CRawalbhai, some guest have come to my home and my wife is remember=
ing me. My son will come in a few minutes to call me. I shall have to go no=
w=E2=80=9D. -- And with my surprise his 8 years old son came to call him.
=
At one another incident he told me that there will be a plane cras=

h tomorrow and that also happened. I was very much impressed about him. He =
could foresee the events. One day I had to go to Dwarka by Bus, he told me =
not to go through bus, as bus tire will be punctured. Yet I went to Bus sta=
tion but bus did not come from Dwarka as was punctured on the way. This was=
surprising.
This all incidents made me to believe that he had som=

e super power and this was due to Ramkrishandev worship only. I was attract=
ed to shri Thakur. One day I thought, I should also be disciple of shri Tha=
kur and the day came. It was 4/4/1974. At 7 pm I surrendered myself to Thak=
ur at Mr. Patel=E2=80=99s house before Thakur picture. I prayed him deeply =
from my heart to accept me as his follower and bestow his grace.
=
Next day morning I had a discussion with my wife at 6.10 morning while taki=
ng the tea. As my duty was to start from 7 am I was waking up at 5.45 morni=
ng. I told to my wife in the morning that I have accepted Shri Ramkrishnade=
v as my Gurudev. My wife was annoyed and she argued with me a lot. =E2=80=
=94=E2=80=9CWhy should you take such a hasty decision? Ramkrishna Paramhams=
a was a devotee of Maa Kali at Calcutta. He was a great Saint but our Guru =
should be living one, who can guide us, give us Mantra etc. etc. Better you=
take Dixa from Shri Ram Sharma Acharya since you are doing Gayatri Mantra=
=E2=80=9D--.
Her arguments were right at her place as people in ge=

neral not know much about Thakur and I was confused. I thought-- yes I have=
taken hasty decision. I was in the influence of Mr. Patel. --
But=
I remember that Mr. Patel had told me that Thakur was telling their discip=
les to test him before accepting him. I also decided to test Thakur. I imme=
diately told my wife that =E2=80=93=E2=80=9CSee, Mr. Patel has never come t=
o our home. You have also not seen him. He has never asked me where I am li=
ving. Suppose Mr. Patel is coming to our house within 10 to 15 minutes, wou=
ld you believe that my selection for Thakur is perfect?=E2=80=9D--
=
She laughed at me=E2=80=94=E2=80=9CHow it is possible? I don=E2=80=99t bel=
ieve.=E2=80=9D--
I prayed Shri Thakur to send Mr. Patel immediatel=

y to justify my decision and convince my wife. =E2=80=98I want to test your=
existence even today.=E2=80=99
To our great surprise, Mr. Patel w=

as at my home at 06.30 in the morning with angry mood. What he told?
=
=E2=80=98 How dare you test Thakur this way? Do you know what happened? =
Yesterday was my night duty and I had just come to my home at 05.30 morning=
s today and tried to sleep for 1 or 2 hours. Suddenly Thakur pulled my blan=
ket and told me that-=E2=80=9C Go to your friend=E2=80=99s house. He is wai=
ting for you. He wants to test me. I will show you his house=E2=80=9D
=
I immediately rushed to your home. Thakur was guiding me the way to you=
r house and pushing me too. What you want? Why you are disturbing him in su=
ch an early morning for such a silly things?=E2=80=99
We both were=
so excited and surprised that we had no words that Morning.
I wi=
ll never forget that 5th April, a miracle day in my life. There were some m=
ore Devine experiences about Shri Thakur but I will write it sometime.
=
Dear Sir, and forum members, Ramkrishandev is still alive on the earth=
. This is a fact I have written and no word is added to exaggerate. May Sh=
ri Thakur bless all of us.
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is entirely possible. When someone who did not
identify with a body but i=
dentified with the entire universe lives in a body and
leaves, it is not l=
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everything. If so=
meone is attached to him with that body of his and he has
compassion for t=
hat person, he *can* give darshan to that person in that body.
It is not t=
hat he is "alive" or "dead". It is just that he is in every atom or
sub-at=
omic particle of this creation because he has realized the true nature of
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Self while living in the previous body and that realization was intact even=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>According to Sarada Mata=
, Ramakrishna told her and
Lakshmi that he would be back after 100 years a=
nd that all of them would have to
be reborn when he is reborn after 100 ye=
ars. Thus, he may have already come to
earth in a different body. But that=
does not matter. Those who have an
attachment to Ramakrishna and stuck at=
the lower level form may still be able to
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and th=
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tapascha=
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Rama.</FONT><=
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avatara.=
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NT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>Dear Sir, I would like to
share=
one of my great Devine experience about shri <B>Ramkrishnadev</B>.
=
This is an unbelievable experience that I have had. I have not added
=
anything from my own. I am writing exactly as was happened in my life.=
I
am going back to the period of 1973/74. <B>Kindly read this onl=
y when
you are in religious mood</B>.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN>
=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=
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style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FON=
T size=3D3>I was working as telegraphist
at Okha Port Post office =
near Dwarka. My duty was from 7 am to 7 pm and
I was getting late =
fee allowance for extra duty. There was a Telephone
exchange just =
opposite to Post office and due to same Dep=E2=80=99t; I had
frien=
dship with some Telephone operators. One Mr. Ramanbhai Patel, (we
=
will call him as Mr. Patel) was working as Operator. He was a staunch
=
devotee of<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>s=
hri
Ramkrishnadev. Whenever I was meeting him he was always talkin=
g about
shri Thakur. We came close day by day. There was a weekly =
gathering at
his home called SATSANGA. He was singing devotional s=
ongs created by him
and was weeping while singing. He was reading =
Ramkrishna Kathamrita. We
10 to 12 youngsters were attending this =
weekly meeting on Saturday
evening. I was then 24 years old. Mr. P=
atel was of 30 then. We were used
to go to seashore daily at 7 pm =
after duty hours and were talking only
about Thakur.<o:p></o:p></F=
ONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGI=
N: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D=
3>One day when we were at sea
shore he suddenly told me--=E2=80=9C=
Rawalbhai, some guest have come to my home
and my wife is remember=
ing me. My son will come in a few minutes to call
me. I shall have=
to go now=E2=80=9D. -- And with my surprise his 8 years old son
c=
ame to call him. <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P c=
lass=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style=3D"FONT=
-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>At one another incident he
told m=
e that there will be a plane crash tomorrow and that also
happened=
. I was very much impressed about him. He could foresee the
events=
. One day I had to go to Dwarka by Bus, he told me not to go
throu=
gh bus, as bus tire will be punctured. Yet I went to Bus station
b=
ut bus did not come from Dwarka as was punctured on the way. This was
=
surprising.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-F=
AMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>This all incidents made me to
belie=
ve that he had some super power and this was due to Ramkrishandev
=
worship only. I was attracted to shri Thakur. One day I thought, I
=
should also be disciple of shri Thakur and the day came. It was
4=
/4/1974. At 7 pm I surrendered myself to Thakur at Mr. Patel=E2=80=99s hous=
e
before Thakur picture. I prayed him deeply from my heart to acce=
pt me as
his follower and bestow his grace. <o:p></o:p></FONT></SP=
AN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0=
in 0pt"><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>Next d=
ay morning I had a
discussion with my wife at 6.10 morning while t=
aking the tea. As my duty
was to start from 7 am I was waking up a=
t 5.45 morning. I told to my
wife in the morning that I have accep=
ted Shri Ramkrishnadev as my
Gurudev. My wife was annoyed and she =
argued with me a lot. =E2=80=94=E2=80=9CWhy should
you take such a=
hasty decision? Ramkrishna Paramhamsa was a devotee of
Maa Kali a=
t Calcutta. He was a great Saint but our Guru should be living
one=
, who can guide us, give us Mantra etc. etc. Better you take Dixa
=
from Shri Ram Sharma Acharya since you are doing Gayatri
Mantra=E2=
=80=9D--.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DM=
soNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:=
Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>Her arguments were right at
her place as =
people in general not know much about Thakur and I was
confused. I=
thought-- yes I have taken hasty decision. I was in the
influence=
of Mr. Patel. --<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P c=
lass=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style=3D"FONT=
-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>But I remember that Mr. Patel
had=
told me that Thakur was telling their disciples to test him before
=
accepting him. I also decided to test Thakur. I immediately told my wife =
that =E2=80=93=E2=80=9CSee, Mr. Patel has never come to our home. =

You have also not seen
him. He has never asked me where I am livin=
g. Suppose Mr. Patel is
coming to our house within 10 to 15 minute=
s, would you believe that my
selection for Thakur is perfect?=E2=
=80=9D--<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMs=
oNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: =
Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>She laughed at me=E2=80=94=E2=80=9CHow it is
=
possible? I don=E2=80=99t believe.=E2=80=9D--<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN>
=
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0p=
t"><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>I prayed Sh=
ri Thakur to send
Mr. Patel immediately to justify my decision and=
convince my wife. =E2=80=98I
want to test your existence even tod=
ay.=E2=80=99<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-FAM=
ILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>To our great surprise, Mr.
Patel was =
at my home at 06.30 in the morning with angry mood. What he
told?<=
o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal s=
tyle=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">=
<FONT size=3D3>=E2=80=98 How dare you test Thakur
this way? Do you=
know what happened? Yesterday was my night duty and I
had just co=
me to my home at 05.30 mornings today and tried to sleep for
1 or =
2 hours. Suddenly Thakur pulled my blanket and told me that-=E2=80=9C Go to=
your friend=E2=80=99s house. He is waiting for you. He wants to t=

est me. I will
show you his house=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN=
>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in=
0pt"><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>I immedi=
ately rushed to your
home. Thakur was guiding me the way to your h=
ouse and pushing me too.
What you want? Why you are disturbing him=
in such an early morning for
such a silly things?=E2=80=99<o:p></=
o:p></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FON=
T size=3D3>We both were so excited and
surprised that we had no wo=
rds that Morning. <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style=3D"FON=
T-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>I will never forget that
5<SUP>t=
h</SUP> April, a miracle day in my life. There were some more
Devi=
ne experiences about Shri Thakur but I will write it
sometime.<o:p=
></o:p></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal styl=
e=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FO=
NT size=3D3>Dear Sir, and forum members,
<B>Ramkrishandev is still=
alive on the earth</B>. This is a fact I have
written and no word=
is added to exaggerate.<SPAN
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> <=
/SPAN>May Shri Thakur bless all of
us.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN>
=
<DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt=
"><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>Dr. Ashwin R=
awal
Ahmedabad<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV><FONT
=
face=3DVerdana></FONT><BR><BR></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></HR></BLOCKQUOTE><=
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Namaste Nalini ji,
Most people do not experience a mantra. They just mech=

anically chant it and nothing happens. What you described tells me that you=
were able to experience the manta to some extent. That is a good sign.
T=
hough I have never done the mantra you mentioned, from the name, I would im=
agine that this mantra makes energy flow in pingala nadi.
Different mantr=
as, when they work, force energy to flow in different subtle channel of ene=
rgy flow in our subtle body, resulting in the perception of a different "ex=
perience" to "self". Some mantras (e.g. tryambakam yajaamahe) are extremely=
cooling and made energy flow in Ida (Chandra) nadi. Some mantras (e.g. Sav=
itri Gayatri) make it flow in Pingala (Surya) nadi.
When merely some vaay=

u (movement of air) enters a nadi also, there is some experience. When the =
entire energy of self-awareness (aka Kundalini) enters a nadi, it is a very=
powerful experience and one's perception of self alters drastically.
The=
re are thousands of nadis in the body and thousands of possible experiences=
. The key is to NOT be distracted by the experience. Mystical experiences a=
re signs of spiritual progress, but they are also traps where we can get st=
uck (i.e. not progress further). Do not think much about the experience. In=
a normal wakeful experience, our senses perceive various objects of the ex=
ternal world. We know that all that is just superficial and the reality wit=
hin all of them (i.e. Brahman) is imperceptible to senses. Similarly, whate=
ver our inward-directed senses perceive (e.g. vision of a being, sound of a=
mantra, feeling of heat from fire engulfing one etc) in an intense meditat=
ion session is ALSO superficial (though perhaps less superficial than the o=
bjects we see in the external world usually) and the reality within those e=
xperiences (i.e. Brahman) is experienced only when you transcend the superf=
icial sense experiences.
While it is difficult, the right thing to do whe=

n you feel like you described is to ignore it and keep the intense mental f=
ocus on the mantra or on the deity. The good thing is that your experience =
is a sign of spiritual progress and the bad thing is that it can distract y=
ou from the final goal.
Feeling hot while and *after* meditation and figh=

ting are signs of some diturbation in the pingala nadi. When the correspond=
ing karmas are flushed out of the system, things may be fine.
I am not re=
ally knowledgeable. With my guru's blessings, I have experienced some thing=
s and realized some things. Then he told me to not hold back and boldly dec=
lare answers to questions on spirituality and religion as if I just know. I=
just follow his word and do as he said. It is upto my guru and the Mother =
to impregnate my words with meaning as they are received by people. From my=
end, I just type out whatever comes to my mind...
Best regards,
Narasimh=
a
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ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: [vedic-w=
isdom] Re: Regarding Brahamcharya
Dear Nalini
Sorry for =
interrupting in your question to Narasimha.Your mail reminded me of a simil=
ar incident. I have a friend who does very severe japa of a mantra she had =
recieved in a dream. It was a strange dream where she saw a little girl, na=
ked, come and sit on her lap and when she asked teh girl who she (the girl)=
was, the reply came in sanskrit. Now my friend does not know or even under=
stand Sanskrit, so she could not understand what the girl was saying. Then =
after some time the girl in the dream kept repeating what sounded like a ma=
ntra in her ears.
From next day morning my friend started chanting=

that mantra, after about one and half years of chanting recently she did a=
sankalpa for chanting and had experinces similar to the kind u described. =
She felt her whole body was internally burning, though there was no fever. =
Her relation with her mom started getting bitter with constant fights etc..=
Later after some days it reduced again. I think this maybe a way =
the karmas are cut off from you. I am not sure of course, Narasimha can tel=
l you better. He much more knowledgeable in these things.
-Regard=
s
Rajarshi
"This above all: to thine own self =

be true!" - Hamlet
--- On Tue, 4/11/08, nalini swamy <nalini2818@=

yahoo.com> wrote:

=
To: =
Date: Tuesday, 4 November, 2008, 3:5=
8 PM
Dear All,
Namaskar.
Yes, indeed.
=
I had a doubt that I wanted to ask Narasimha garu. I recited Sree Han=
umathbadabanala stotram some time back. I had an unusual experience of 'bei=
ng on fire', during the initial stages. It was as if I was engulfed in a ba=
ll of fire, which slowly receded over time. I had a similar experience duri=
ng the Navaratri puja when reciting
Devi kavacham. I still have t=
hat feeling of an aura of fire around me and feel extremely hot and sweat e=
ven in the cold weather. This stays on for a time. I also had to face extre=
me circumstances in 'relationships' that matter to me and there is a steady=
deterioration, almost as if a heavy veil has been torn asunder.
=
I vaguely remember Narasimha ji telling us in some forum that there might =
be some ramifications relating to karma that could manifest when/ after sad=
hana/worship.
Could you please clarify, Narasimha garu?
=
Regards
Nalini
--------------------------------=
--------------------------------------
From: rajarshi nandy <raja=
rshi14@yahoo. co.in>
=
Subject: Re: [vedic-w=
isdom] Re: Regarding Brahamcharya
Dear All,
=
Excellent chain of mails indeed, including the metion and significance =
of teh Vikata Rupa of Ganapati to overcome lust.
This is i=
ndeed one of the finest internet forums. May Narasimhaji and the other lear=
ned members keep up the good work, there is so much that ordinary people li=
ke me get to learn just by reading these mails!.
-Regards
=
Rajarshi
"This above all: to thine own s=

elf be true!" - Hamlet
--- On Tue, 4/11/08, Narasimha P.V=

.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net> wrote:
From: Narasimha P.V.R.=

Rao <pvr@charter. net>
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Regar=
ding Brahamcharya
=
Date: Tuesday, 4 November, 2008, 9:49 AM
=
Guys,
I am glad everything is sorted out. But, in genera=

l, let us be less
defensive and instead focus on subject=
. Knowing Ajit's nature, I knew
exactly what he meant. H=
owever, even if Ajit or someone actually said
something =
negative about me, it is not a big deal. One is who one is and
=
words, good or bad, do not change that, for better or worse. Why be =
Ajit, you ar=

e certainly qualified in commenting. I always knew that you have
=
tremendous scholarship, great humility and sincerity. People far l=
ess
qualified than you talk/write so much in today's wor=
ld. Please do write
more.
The imagery=
thrown up by the Puranic story mentioned by you is really nice!
=
Friends,
Lord Hanuman is one who fully overcame=

lust. He can be worshipped for giving
self-control.
=
Lord Hrishikesha gives purity and control over senses (hris=
hika + isha =3D
lord of senses). He can be worshipped fo=
r control over senses.
Mother Kaali gives dispassion and=

kills the root of desires. She can be
worshipped for ge=
tting rid of desires.
Several things are possible. But, =

for most people in today's times, it is
not going to be =
one magic bullet that does it, but a combination of various
=
Try to increase the u=

nderstanding of what is permanent and what is
transient.=
Best regards,
Narasimha
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- Original Message -----
From: "utpal pathak" <vedic_pat=
hak@ yahoo.com>
=
Sub=
ject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Regarding Brahamcharya
> Namast=
e,
>
> Please accept my sincere apology=
as I misunderstood it completely.
>
> =
Best Regrads,
>
> utpal
=
>
> --- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "Ajit Krish=
nan"
>>
=
>> namaste,
>>
>> > ma=
y i ask why you felt that it is a blind leading blind?
>>=
Re-reading the formatting of my response, the question is
=
>> that _my comments_ are a case o=
f the blind leading the blind,
> since I am not
=
>> qualified to comment about anything. I did not intend to questi=
on
>> Narasimha's comments in any way. I apologize for an=
y confusion.
>>
>> bhavadIyaH,
=
>>
>> ajit
>>
=
> <ve=
dic_pathak@ ...>wrote:
>>
>> > Namaste,=
>> >
>> > may i ask why you felt that =
it is a blind leading blind?
>> >
>> > =
There are many ways to fight desires, especially Lust for
=
> *Sambhog*
>> >
>> > what you suggest=
ed can be ONE of the many ways and infact
> everybody
=
>> > in their heart of hearts knows. how much powerful it is=
. it is
> like
>> > tsunami which has a=
capability to sweep off the feat, even the
>> > Saints i=
f they are not vigilant.
>> >
>> > Shiv=
ananada says in his manual of Brahmacharya that it requires
=
> to
>> > attack the lust from all sides to really ove=
rcome and destroy.
>> >
>> > If some on=
e needs to keepup Brahmacharya, some practical tips
> are=
-
>> >
=
=
> food.
>> > - avoiding over eating at =
night. (Stomach should not be full)
>> > - Mditation, Pra=
naayaam, Japa, Homam or such Saadhanas
>> > - Shirsaasan,=
Sarvaangaasan
>> > - Prohibition of seeing TV Channels a=
nd Movies
>> > - Thinking mentally that all women are Sis=
ters/Mothers
>> >
>> > Above all, Praye=
rs to the Ishta Devata. unceasing prayer is the
> key.
=
>> > without Grace of the Lord, it is impossible to uproot =
the Desire
>> > completely.
>> >
=
=
> prayers...cry
>> > and then one will star=
t winning over the most draded of enemies.
>> >
=
>> > Vivekananda said "The Character is establised through thousan=
d
=
>> >
>> > warm regards,
>> >
=
>> > utpal
>> >
>> > --- In =
vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "Ajit Krishnan"
>> > <aji=
t.krishnan@ > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > nama=
ste,
>> > >
>> > > I apologize for open=
ing my mouth. This is truly a case of the
>> > blind lead=
ing
>> > > the blind.
>> > >
=
=
> overcoming
>> > the basic
=
>> > > ...
>> > > > True, suppressing desire will make =
the desire come back
> later.
>> > But,=
if one
>> > > > keeps fulfilling desires, they never end=
!! This is the
> nature
>> > of desire.=
>> > >

>> > >
>> > >=
One of my favourite books is the mudgala-purana, which is a
=
> purana
>> > about
>> > > Ganesha.=
Here, Ganesha has 8 avatAras, which come to destroy 8
>>=
> demons: envy,
>> > > lust, delusion, greed, anger, des=
ire, "my-ness" and pride. In
> the
>> >=
chapter
>> > > where Ganesha destroys the "desire demon"=
, the demon is
> described
>> > as havi=
ng
>> > > two children -- shoShaNa and duShpUra i.e. (1) =
one who dries
>> > things up /
>> > > d=
estroys and (2) one who can never be satisfied.
>> > >
=
>> > > Satisfying desire always results in fanning the fire=
of desire.
>> > And in the
>> > > proc=
ess, other things become neglected (dried up). Eventually,
=
> one
>> > feel's
>> > > guilt / sham=
e, where, again, the heart literally feels like it
> is
=
>> > drying up.
>> > >
=
=
>> > > means "one who is ho=
rrible / monstrous". The purana explains
> that
=
>> > we have to
>> > > see things "as they are".=
To do this, we should think of
> desired
=
>> > objects, as
>> > > something horrible. The desire=
falls away, and we will be able
> to
>=
> > see
=
>> > >
>> > > This technique is described in Shankara=
charya' s famous
> stotra "moha
>> > > =
mudgara", i.e. taking a hammer to "delusion". This is also
=
> known
>> > as "bhaja
>> > > govinda=
m". Here, he teaches that we should repeatedly remember
>=
> > that the
>> > > female form is merely a modification =
(rather a horrible
=
>> > > and fat.
>> > >
>> > > Thu=
s, we pray to Ganesha, who illuminates the world, and shows
=
> it
>> > as it is,
>> > > contorted=
and un-deserving of desire.
>> > >
>> =
> > bhavadIyaH,
>> > >
>> > > ajit
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=3DArial size=3D2>Most people do not experience a mantra. They just
mechan=
ically chant it and nothing happens. What you described tells me that you
=
were able to experience the manta to some extent. That is a good
sign.</FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT f=
ace=3DArial size=3D2>Though I have never done the mantra you mentioned,
fr=
om the name, I would imagine that this mantra makes energy flow in pingala =
nadi.</FONT></DIV>
<D=
IV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Different mantras, when they work, force ene=
rgy to
flow in different subtle channel of energy flow in our subtle body,=
resulting in
the perception of a different "experience" to "self". Some m=
antras (e.g.
tryambakam yajaamahe) are extremely cooling and made energy f=
low in Ida
(Chandra) nadi. Some mantras (e.g. Savitri Gayatri) make it flo=
w in Pingala
(Surya) nadi.</FONT></DIV>
nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When merely some vaayu =
(movement of air) enters a
nadi also, there is some experience. When the e=
ntire energy of self-awareness
(aka Kundalini) enters a nadi, it is a very=
powerful experience and one's
perception of self alters drastically.</FON=
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT fa=
ce=3DArial size=3D2>There are thousands of nadis in the body and
thousands=
of possible experiences. The key is to NOT be distracted by the
experienc=
e. Mystical experiences are signs of spiritual progress, but they are
also=
traps where we can get stuck (i.e. not progress further). Do not think muc=
h
about the experience. In a normal wakeful experience, our senses perceiv=
e
various objects of the external world. We know that all that is just sup=
erficial
and the reality within all of them (i.e. Brahman) is imperceptibl=
e to senses.
Similarly, whatever our inward-directed senses perceive (e.g.=
vision of a being,
sound of a mantra, feeling of heat from fire engulfing=
one etc) in an intense
meditation session is ALSO superficial (though per=
haps less superficial than the
objects we see in the external world usuall=
y) and the reality within those
experiences (i.e. Brahman) is experienced =
only when you transcend the
superficial sense experiences.</FONT></DIV>
<D=
size=3D2>While it is difficult, the right thing to do when
you feel like y=
ou described is to ignore it and keep the intense mental focus on
the mant=
ra or on the deity. The good thing is that your experience is a sign of
sp=
iritual progress and the bad thing is that it can distract you from the fin=
al
goal.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Feeling hot while and *after* meditation =

and
fighting are signs of some diturbation in the pingala nadi. When the
=
corresponding karmas are flushed out of the system, things may be
fine.</F=
ONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2>I am not really knowledgeable. With my guru's
blessi=
ngs, I have experienced some things and realized some things. Then he told =
me to not hold back and boldly declare answers to questions on spiritualit=

y and
religion as if I just know. I just follow his word and do as he said=
. It is upto
my guru and the Mother to impregnate my words with meaning as=
they are received
by people. From my end, I just type out whatever comes =
to my
mind...</FONT></DIV>
/DIV>
regards,<BR>Narasimha<BR>-----=
-------------------------------------------------------------<BR>Do
a Shor=
t Homam Yourself: <A
href=3D"http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam">http://=
www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam</A><BR>Do
href=
<A
Jyotish =
lessons (MP3): <A
href=3D=

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olid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original =
<DIV
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt ari=
al; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=3Drajarshi14@... hr=
ef=3D"mailto:rajarshi14@...">rajarshi
nandy</A> </DIV>
<DIV st=
yle=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dvedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com=
href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com">vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.c=
om</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, No=
vember 04, 2008 6:19
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subje=
ct:</B> Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Regarding
Brahamcharya</DIV>
<DIV><FONT=
face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>
<TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPaddi=
ng=3D0 border=3D0>
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<DI=
V>Dear Nalini</DIV>
/DIV>
<DIV>Sorry for interrupting in your question to Narasimha.You=
r mail
reminded me of a similar incident. I have a friend who=
does very
severe japa of a mantra she had recieved in a dream. It=
was a strange
dream where she saw a little girl, naked, come and =
sit on her lap and
when she asked teh girl who she (the girl) was,=
the reply came in
sanskrit. Now my friend does not know or even u=
nderstand Sanskrit, so
she could not understand what the girl was =
saying. Then after some time
the girl in the dream kept repeating =
what sounded like a mantra in her
ears.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT f=
<DIV>From next day morning=
my friend started chanting that mantra, after
about one and half =
years of chanting recently she did a sankalpa for
chanting and had=
experinces similar to the kind u described. She felt
her whole bo=
dy was internally burning, though there was no fever. Her
relation=
with her mom started getting bitter with constant fights
etc..</D=
IV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Later after some days it reduced=
again. I think this maybe a way
the karmas are cut off from you. =
I am not sure of course, Narasimha can
tell you better. He much mo=
re knowledgeable in these things.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
=
<DIV>-Regards</DIV>
<DIV>&nb=
sp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG>
<=
DIV class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLO=
R: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This above
all: to thine own self =
be true!" -
Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><B=
R>--- On <B>Tue,
4/11/08, nalini swamy <I><nalini2818@...=
></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:=
5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:
=
nalini swamy <nalini2818@...><BR>Subject: Re:
[=
vedic-wisdom] Re: Regarding Brahamcharya<BR>To:
vedic-wisdom@yah=
oogroups.com<BR>Date: Tuesday, 4 November, 2008, 3:58
PM<BR><BR>=
<DIV id=3Dyiv385434042>
=
<DIV>
<DIV
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: ver=
dana, helvetica, sans-serif">
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Dear All=
,</DIV>
<DIV>Yes, indeed.</DIV>
<DIV=
>I had a doubt that I wanted to ask Narasimha garu. I recited
=
Sree Hanumathbadabanala stotram some time back. I had an unusual
=
experience of 'being on fire', during the initial stages. It was
=
as if I was engulfed in a ball of fire, which slowly receded over=
time. I had a similar experience during the Navaratri puja when=
reciting</DIV>
<DIV>Devi kavacham. I still have that =
feeling of an aura of fire
around me and feel extremely hot=
and sweat even in the cold
weather. This stays on for a ti=
me. I also had to face extreme
circumstances in 'relationships' =
that matter to me and there is a
steady deterioration, almost as=
if a heavy veil has been torn
asunder. </DIV>
<D=
IV>I vaguely remember Narasimha ji telling us in some forum
=
that there might be some ramifications relating to karma that could
=
manifest when/ after sadhana/worship.</DIV>
<DIV>Could you p=
lease clarify, Narasimha garu?</DIV>
=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Regards</DIV>
<DIV>Nalini=
<BR> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT
=
face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FO=
NT
face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR>
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s=
tyle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; FONT-FAMILY: times=
new roman, new york, times, serif"><FONT
face=3DTahoma size=3D2=
>
<HR SIZE=3D1>
<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Fr=
om:</SPAN></B> rajarshi nandy
<rajarshi14@yahoo. co.in><BR=
><B><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> vedic-wisdo=
m@ yahoogroups.
com<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent=
:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, 4
November, 2008 5:36:52 PM<BR><B><SPAN
=
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [vedic-wisdom]=
Re:
Regarding Brahamcharya<BR></FONT><BR>
<DIV id=3Dy=
grp-text>
<DIV>
<TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 =
border=3D0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=
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<DIV>Dear All,</DIV>
<DIV><FONT fac=
<DIV>Excellent chain=
of mails indeed, including the metion and
significance of=
teh Vikata Rupa of Ganapati to overcome
lust.</DIV>
=
=
<DIV>This is indeed one of the finest internet forums. May
=
Narasimhaji and the other learned members keep up the good work,
=
there is so much that ordinary people like me get to learn jus=
t
by reading these mails!.</DIV>
<DIV><FON=
<DIV>-Regards</=
DIV>
<DIV=
><EM><STRONG>
=
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"This=
above all: to thine own self be true!" -
=
Hamlet</SPAN></STRONG></DIV></STRONG></EM></DIV><BR><BR>--- On
=
<B>Tue, 4/11/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <I><pvr@charter.
=
net></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
=
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Narasimha
=
P.V.R. Rao <pvr@charter. net><BR>Subject: [vedic-wisdom]=
Re: Regarding Brahamcharya<BR>To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogr=

oups.
com<BR>Date: Tuesday, 4 November, 2008, 9:49 AM<BR=
><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv240371432>
<DIV id=
=3Dygrp-text>
<DIV>Guys,<BR><BR>I am glad everything is s=
orted out. But, in
general, let us be less <BR>defensive=
and instead focus on
subject. Knowing Ajit's nature, I =
knew <BR>exactly what he
meant. However, even if Ajit or=
someone actually said
<BR>something negative about me, =
it is not a big deal. One is
who one is and <BR>words, g=
ood or bad, do not change that, for
better or worse. Why=
be <BR>sensitive to words
then?<BR><BR>Ajit, you are ce=
rtainly qualified in commenting.
I always knew that you =
have <BR>tremendous scholarship, great
humility and sinc=
erity. People far less <BR>qualified than you
talk/write=
so much in today's world. Please do write
<BR>more.<BR>=
<BR>The imagery thrown up by the Puranic story
mentioned=
by you is really nice!<BR><BR>Friends,<BR><BR>Lord
Hanu=
man is one who fully overcame lust. He can be worshipped
=
for giving <BR>self-control.<BR><BR>Lord Hrishikesha gives
=
purity and control over senses (hrishika + isha =3D <BR>lord of
=
senses). He can be worshipped for control over
=
senses.<BR><BR>Mother Kaali gives dispassion and kills the
=
root of desires. She can be <BR>worshipped for getting rid of
=
desires.<BR><BR>Several things are possible. But, for most
=
people in today's times, it is <BR>not going to be one magic=
bullet that does it, but a combination of various

=
<BR>practices. Patience is needed.<BR><BR>Try to increase the=
understanding of what is permanent and what is

=
<BR>transient.<BR><BR>Best
regards,<BR>Narasi=
mha<BR>------------ --------- ---------
--------- ------=
--- --------- -<BR>Do a Short Homam Yourself:
<A href=3D=
"http://www.vedicastrologer.org/homam" target=3D_blank
r=
el=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam</A><BR>Do
=
href=3D"http://www.ve=
dicastrologer.org/tarpana" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollo=
w>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/
tarpana</A><BR>Spirit=
uality: <A
href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-w=
isdom"
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://groups. yah=
oo.com/
group/vedic- wisdom</A><BR>Free Jyotish lessons =
(MP3): <A
href=3D"http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net/" t=
arget=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>http://vedicastro. home.co=
mcast. net</A><BR>Free
=
=
rel=3Dnofollow>http://www.VedicAst rologer.org</A><BR>Sri=

h=
ref=3D"http://www.srijagannath.org/" target=3D_blank
rel=
=3Dnofollow>http://www.SriJagan nath.org</A><BR>------------
=
--------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
=
<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "utpal pathak"
=
<<A href=3D"mailto:vedic_pathak%40yahoo.com" target=3D_blank
=
rel=3Dnofollow>vedic_pathak@ yahoo.com</A>><BR>To: <<A=
href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" target=
=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com<=
/A>><BR>Sent:
Monday, November 03, 2008 9:39 PM<BR>Su=
bject: [vedic-wisdom]
Re: Regarding Brahamcharya<BR><BR>=
>
Namaste,<BR>><BR>> Please accept my sincere a=
pology as I
misunderstood it completely.<BR>><BR>>=
Best
Regrads,<BR>><BR>> utpal<BR>><BR>> ---=
In <A
href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40yahoogroups.com" ta=
rget=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. =
com</A>, "Ajit
Krishnan"<BR>> <ajit.krishnan@ ...&=
gt;
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>
na=
maste,<BR>>><BR>>> > may i ask why you felt
=
that it is a blind leading blind?<BR>>> Re-reading the
=
formatting of my response, the question is<BR>> justified.
=
I meant<BR>>> that _my comments_ are a case of the blin=
d
leading the blind,<BR>> since I am not<BR>>> =
qualified to comment about anything. I did not intend to=
question<BR>>> Narasimha's comments in any way. I=
apologize for any confusion.<BR>>><BR>>>

=
bhavadIyaH,<BR>>><BR>>>
aji=
t<BR>>><BR>>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:51 AM,
=
utpal pathak<BR>> <vedic_pathak@
...>wrote:<=
BR>>><BR>>> >
Namaste,<BR>>> ><B=
R>>> > may i ask why you
felt that it is a blin=
d leading blind?<BR>>>
><BR>>> > There=
are many ways to fight desires,
especially Lust for<BR>=
> *Sambhog*<BR>>>
><BR>>> > what yo=
u suggested can be ONE of the
many ways and infact<BR>&g=
t; everybody<BR>>> > in
their heart of hearts k=
nows. how much powerful it is. it
is<BR>> like<BR>>=
;> > tsunami which has a
capability to sweep off t=
he feat, even the<BR>>> >
Saints if they are no=
t vigilant.<BR>>> ><BR>>>
> Shivananad=
a says in his manual of Brahmacharya that it
requires<BR=
>> to<BR>>> > attack the lust from all
sides=
to really overcome and destroy.<BR>>>
><BR>>=
;> > If some one needs to keepup
Brahmacharya, som=
e practical tips<BR>> are-<BR>>>
><BR>>&g=
t; > - Cold water Bath<BR>>> > - No
Onion, G=
arlic in food. avoiding very spicy and very
Hot<BR>> =
food.<BR>>> > - avoiding over eating at
night. =
(Stomach should not be full)<BR>>> > -
Mditatio=
n, Pranaayaam, Japa, Homam or such
Saadhanas<BR>>>=
> - Shirsaasan,
Sarvaangaasan<BR>>> > - Pro=
hibition of seeing TV
Channels and Movies<BR>>> &g=
t; - Thinking mentally that
all women are Sisters/Mother=
s<BR>>> ><BR>>>
> Above all, Prayers t=
o the Ishta Devata. unceasing prayer
is the<BR>> key.=
<BR>>> > without Grace of the
Lord, it is impos=
sible to uproot the Desire<BR>>> >
completely.<=
BR>>> ><BR>>> > efforts, efforts
and e=
fforts.... prayers, prayers and<BR>>
prayers...cry<BR=
>>> > and then one will start winning
over the =
most draded of enemies.<BR>>> ><BR>>>
>=
; Vivekananda said "The Character is establised through
=
thousand<BR>>> > stumbles" - no need to lose
he=
art.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > warm
regards,<BR>=
>> ><BR>>> > utpal<BR>>>
><BR=
>>> > --- In <A
href=3D"mailto:vedic-wisdom%40y=
ahoogroups.com" target=3D_blank
rel=3Dnofollow>vedic-wis=
dom@ yahoogroups. com</A>, "Ajit
Krishnan"<BR>>> &=
gt; <ajit.krishnan@ >
wrote:<BR>>> > >=
<BR>>> > >
namaste,<BR>>> > ><BR=
>>> > > I
apologize for opening my mouth. Th=
is is truly a case of
the<BR>>> > blind leading=
<BR>>> > > the
blind.<BR>>> > ><=
BR>>> > > >
Feeling of guilt is a weight =
and it does not help in<BR>>
overcoming<BR>>> &=
gt; the basic<BR>>> > >
...<BR>>> >=
> > True, suppressing desire will
make the desire=
come back<BR>> later.<BR>>> > But,
if one<B=
R>>> > > > keeps fulfilling desires,
they=
never end!! This is the<BR>> nature<BR>>> >
=
of desire.<BR>>> > ><BR>>> >
><=
BR>>> > > One of my favourite books is the
m=
udgala-purana, which is a<BR>> purana<BR>>> >
=
about<BR>>> > > Ganesha. Here, Ganesha has 8
=
avatAras, which come to destroy 8<BR>>> > demons:
=
envy,<BR>>> > > lust, delusion, greed, anger,
=
desire, "my-ness" and pride. In<BR>> the<BR>>> >
=
chapter<BR>>> > > where Ganesha destroys the
=
"desire demon", the demon is<BR>> described<BR>>>
=
> as having<BR>>> > > two children -- shoSh=
aNa
and duShpUra i.e. (1) one who dries<BR>>> >=
things up
/<BR>>> > > destroys and (2) one =
who can never be
satisfied.<BR>>> > ><BR>>=
;> > >
Satisfying desire always results in fann=
ing the fire of
desire.<BR>>> > And in the<BR>&=
gt;> > >
process, other things become neglected=
(dried up).
Eventually,<BR>> one<BR>>> > fe=
el's<BR>>>
> > guilt / shame, where, again, =
the heart literally
feels like it<BR>> is<BR>>>=
> drying
up.<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > =
> Ganesha comes
to uproot the "desire demon" as the<B=
R>>> > avatAra
"vikaTa", which<BR>>> >=
> means "one who is
horrible / monstrous". The puran=
a explains<BR>>
that<BR>>> > we have to<BR>&=
gt;> > > see
things "as they are". To do this, =
we should think of<BR>>
desired<BR>>> > obje=
cts, as<BR>>> > >
something horrible. The de=
sire falls away, and we will be
able<BR>> to<BR>>&=
gt; > see<BR>>> > >
Ganesha in his vikaTa=
form.<BR>>> > ><BR>>>
> > This =
technique is described in Shankaracharya' s
famous<BR>&g=
t; stotra "moha<BR>>> > > mudgara",
i.e. tak=
ing a hammer to "delusion". This is also<BR>>
known<B=
R>>> > as "bhaja<BR>>> > >
govindam=
". Here, he teaches that we should repeatedly
remember<B=
R>>> > that the<BR>>> > >
female fo=
rm is merely a modification (rather a
horrible<BR>>&g=
t; > contortion) of flesh<BR>>>
> > and f=
at.<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > >
Thus, we=
pray to Ganesha, who illuminates the world, and
shows<B=
R>> it<BR>>> > as it is,<BR>>> >
&g=
t; contorted and un-deserving of desire.<BR>>> >
=
><BR>>> > > bhavadIyaH,<BR>>> >
=
><BR>>> > >
ajit</DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOT=
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Sri Rawal ji,
Namaskar.
How fortunate you are to have experienced the mira=
cle of Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa!!! Despite skeptics coming out with dive=
rse explanations for such *experiences* it can=C2=A0be best comprehended an=
d appreciated by sadhaks with *faith* in the Absolute Truth that He is.
Be=
st wishes
Nalini
=C2=A0
________________________________
From: Ashwin R=
awal <ashwinrawal@...>
Cc: pvr@cha=
rter.net
Sent: Thursday, 6 November, 2008 4:25:45 AM
] Shri Shri THAKUR is still alive today
Dear Sir, I would like to share o=

ne of my great Devine experience about shri Ramkrishnadev. This is an unbel=
ievable experience that I have had. I have not added anything from my own. =
I am writing exactly as was happened in my life. I am going back to the per=
iod of 1973/74. Kindly read this only when you are in religious mood.
=C2=
=A0
I was working as telegraphist at Okha Port Post office near Dwarka. My=
duty was from 7 am to 7 pm and I was getting late fee allowance for extra =
duty. There was a Telephone exchange just opposite to Post office and due t=
o same Dep=E2=80=99t; I had friendship with some Telephone operators. One M=
r. Ramanbhai Patel, (we will call him as Mr. Patel) was working as Operator=
. He was a staunch devotee of=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 shri Ramkrishnadev. Wheneve=
r I was meeting him he was always talking about shri Thakur. We came close =
day by day. There was a weekly gathering at his home called SATSANGA. He wa=
s singing devotional songs created by him and was weeping while singing. He=
was reading Ramkrishna Kathamrita. We 10 to 12 youngsters were attending t=
his weekly meeting on Saturday evening. I was then 24 years old. Mr. Patel =
was of 30 then. We were used to go to seashore daily at 7 pm after duty hou=
rs and were talking only about Thakur.
One day when we were at sea shore h=
e suddenly told me--=E2=80=9CRawalbhai, some guest have come to my home and=
my wife is remembering me. My son will come in a few minutes to call me. I=
shall have to go now=E2=80=9D. -- And with my surprise his 8 years old son=
came to call him.
At one another incident he told me that there will be a=
plane crash tomorrow and that also happened. I was very much impressed abo=
ut him. He could foresee the events. One day I had to go to Dwarka by Bus, =
he told me not to go through bus, as bus tire will be punctured. Yet I went=
to Bus station but bus did not come from Dwarka as was punctured on the wa=
y. This was surprising.
This all incidents made me to believe that he had =
some super power and this was due to Ramkrishandev worship only. I was attr=
acted to shri Thakur. One day I thought, I should also be disciple of shri =
Thakur and the day came. It was 4/4/1974. At 7 pm I surrendered myself to T=
hakur at Mr. Patel=E2=80=99s house before Thakur picture. I prayed him deep=
ly from my heart to accept me as his follower and bestow his grace.
Next d=
ay morning I had a discussion with my wife at 6.10 morning while taking the=
tea. As my duty was to start from 7 am I was waking up at 5.45 morning. I =
told to my wife in the morning that I have accepted Shri Ramkrishnadev as m=
y Gurudev. My wife was annoyed and she argued with me a lot. =E2=80=94=E2=
=80=9CWhy should you take such a hasty decision? Ramkrishna Paramhamsa was =
a devotee of Maa Kali at Calcutta. He was a great Saint but our Guru should=
be living one, who can guide us, give us Mantra etc. etc. Better you take =
Dixa from Shri Ram Sharma Acharya since you are doing Gayatri Mantra=E2=80=
=9D--.
Her arguments were right at her place as people in general not know=
much about Thakur and I was confused. I thought-- yes I have taken hasty d=
ecision. I was in the influence of Mr. Patel. --
But I remember that Mr. P=
atel had told me that Thakur was telling their disciples to test him before=
accepting him. I also decided to test Thakur. I immediately told my wife t=
hat =E2=80=93=E2=80=9CSee, Mr. Patel has never come to our home. You have a=
lso not seen him. He has never asked me where I am living. Suppose Mr. Pate=
l is coming to our house within 10 to 15 minutes, would you believe that my=
selection for Thakur is perfect?=E2=80=9D--
She laughed at me=E2=80=94=E2=
=80=9CHow it is possible? I don=E2=80=99t believe.=E2=80=9D--
I prayed Shr=
i Thakur to send Mr. Patel immediately to justify my decision and convince =
my wife. =E2=80=98I want to test your existence even today.=E2=80=99
To ou=
r great surprise, Mr. Patel was at my home at 06.30 in the morning with ang=
ry mood. What he told?
=E2=80=98 How dare you test Thakur this way? Do you=
know what happened? Yesterday was my night duty and I had just come to my =
home at 05.30 mornings today and tried to sleep for 1 or 2 hours. Suddenly =
Thakur pulled my blanket and told me that-=E2=80=9C Go to your friend=E2=80=
=99s house. He is waiting for you. He wants to test me. I will show you his=
house=E2=80=9D
I immediately rushed to your home. Thakur was guiding me t=
he way to your house and pushing me too. What you want? Why you are disturb=
ing him in such an early morning for such a silly things?=E2=80=99
We both=
were so excited and surprised that we had no words that Morning.
I will n=
ever forget that 5th April, a miracle day in my life. There were some more =
Devine experiences about Shri Thakur but I will write it sometime.
Dear Si=
r, and forum members, Ramkrishandev is still alive on the earth. This is a =
fact I have written and no word is added to exaggerate.=C2=A0 May Shri Thak=
ur bless all of us.
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<DIV>Sri Rawal ji,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Namaskar=
.</DIV>
<DIV>How fortunate you are to have experienced the miracle of Sri R=
amakrishna Paramahamsa!!! Despite skeptics coming out with diverse explanat=
ions for such *experiences* it can be best comprehended and appreciate=
d by sadhaks with *faith* in the Absolute Truth that He is.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbs=
p;</DIV>
<DIV>Nalini<BR> </DIV>
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ntent>
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<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Ashw=
in Rawal <ashwinrawal@...><BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">To:</SPAN></B> Vedic-wisdom@yahoogroups.com<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT=
-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> pvr@...<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEI=
GHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, 6 November, 2008 4:25:45 AM<BR><B><SP=
AN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [vedic-wisdom] Shri Shri=
THAKUR is still alive today<BR></FONT><BR>
<P>
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<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop>=
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>D=

ear Sir, I would like to share one of my great Devine experience about shri=
<B>Ramkrishnadev</B>. This is an unbelievable experience that I have had. =
I have not added anything from my own. I am writing exactly as was happened=
in my life. I am going back to the period of 1973/74. <B>Kindly read this =
only when you are in religious mood</B>.</FONT></SPAN>
<P class=3DMsoNorma=
l><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3> </FONT></SPAN> =
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>I=

was working as telegraphist at Okha Port Post office near Dwarka. My duty =
was from 7 am to 7 pm and I was getting late fee allowance for extra duty. =
There was a Telephone exchange just opposite to Post office and due to same=
Dep=E2=80=99t; I had friendship with some Telephone operators. One Mr. Ram=
anbhai Patel, (we will call him as Mr. Patel) was working as Operator. He w=
as a staunch devotee of<SPAN> </SPAN>shri Ramkrishnadev. =
Whenever I was meeting him he was always talking about shri Thakur. We came=
close day by day. There was a weekly gathering at his home called SATSANGA=
. He was singing devotional songs created by him and was weeping while sing=
ing. He was reading Ramkrishna Kathamrita. We 10 to 12 youngsters were atte=
nding this weekly meeting on Saturday evening. I was then 24 years old. Mr.=
Patel was of 30 then. We were used to go to seashore daily at 7 pm after d=
uty
hours and were talking only about Thakur.</FONT></SPAN>
<P class=3DMs=
oNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>One day when we=
were at sea shore he suddenly told me--=E2=80=9CRawalbhai, some guest have=
come to my home and my wife is remembering me. My son will come in a few m=
inutes to call me. I shall have to go now=E2=80=9D. -- And with my surprise=
his 8 years old son came to call him. </FONT></SPAN>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>At one another incident=
he told me that there will be a plane crash tomorrow and that also happene=
d. I was very much impressed about him. He could foresee the events. One da=
y I had to go to Dwarka by Bus, he told me not to go through bus, as bus ti=
re will be punctured. Yet I went to Bus station but bus did not come from D=
warka as was punctured on the way. This was surprising.</FONT></SPAN>
<P c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>This a=
ll incidents made me to believe that he had some super power and this was d=
ue to Ramkrishandev worship only. I was attracted to shri Thakur. One day I=
thought, I should also be disciple of shri Thakur and the day came. It was=
4/4/1974. At 7 pm I surrendered myself to Thakur at Mr. Patel=E2=80=99s ho=
use before Thakur picture. I prayed him deeply from my heart to accept me a=
s his follower and bestow his grace. </FONT></SPAN>
PAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>Next day morning I had a =
discussion with my wife at 6.10 morning while taking the tea. As my duty wa=
s to start from 7 am I was waking up at 5.45 morning. I told to my wife in =
the morning that I have accepted Shri Ramkrishnadev as my Gurudev. My wife =
was annoyed and she argued with me a lot. =E2=80=94=E2=80=9CWhy should you =
take such a hasty decision? Ramkrishna Paramhamsa was a devotee of Maa Kali=
at Calcutta. He was a great Saint but our Guru should be living one, who c=
an guide us, give us Mantra etc. etc. Better you take Dixa from Shri Ram Sh=
arma Acharya since you are doing Gayatri Mantra=E2=80=9D--.</FONT></SPAN>
=
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>He=
r arguments were right at her place as people in general not know much abou=
t Thakur and I was confused. I thought-- yes I have taken hasty decision. I=
was in the influence of Mr. Patel. --</FONT></SPAN>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>But I remember that Mr.=
Patel had told me that Thakur was telling their disciples to test him befo=
re accepting him. I also decided to test Thakur. I immediately told my wife=
that =E2=80=93=E2=80=9CSee, Mr. Patel has never come to our home. You have=
also not seen him. He has never asked me where I am living. Suppose Mr. Pa=
tel is coming to our house within 10 to 15 minutes, would you believe that =
my selection for Thakur is perfect?=E2=80=9D--</FONT></SPAN>
<P class=3DMs=
oNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>She laughed at =
me=E2=80=94=E2=80=9CHow it is possible? I don=E2=80=99t believe.=E2=80=9D--=
</FONT></SPAN>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><=
FONT size=3D3>I prayed Shri Thakur to send Mr. Patel immediately to justify=
my decision and convince my wife. =E2=80=98I want to test your existence e=
ven today.=E2=80=99</FONT></SPAN>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT=
-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>To our great surprise, Mr. Patel was at my=
home at 06.30 in the morning with angry mood. What he told?</FONT></SPAN> =
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>=

=E2=80=98 How dare you test Thakur this way? Do you know what happened? Yes=
terday was my night duty and I had just come to my home at 05.30 mornings t=
oday and tried to sleep for 1 or 2 hours. Suddenly Thakur pulled my blanket=
and told me that-=E2=80=9C Go to your friend=E2=80=99s house. He is waitin=
g for you. He wants to test me. I will show you his house=E2=80=9D</FONT></=
SPAN>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=
=3D3>I immediately rushed to your home. Thakur was guiding me the way to yo=
ur house and pushing me too. What you want? Why you are disturbing him in s=
uch an early morning for such a silly things?=E2=80=99</FONT></SPAN>
<P cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>We both=
were so excited and surprised that we had no words that Morning. </FONT></=
SPAN>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=
=3D3>I will never forget that 5<SUP>th</SUP> April, a miracle day in my lif=
e. There were some more Devine experiences about Shri Thakur but I will wri=
te it sometime.</FONT></SPAN>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAM=
ILY: Verdana"><FONT size=3D3>Dear Sir, and forum members, <B>Ramkrishandev =
is still alive on the earth</B>. This is a fact I have written and no word =
is added to exaggerate.<SPAN> </SPAN>May Shri Thakur bless all of us.=
</FONT></SPAN>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><=
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Dear Rajarshi ji,

Namaskar.
<<Sorry for interrupting in your question to =

Narasimha>>
I am infact extremely grateful for your inputs.
The process o=
f going through an entire gamut of=C2=A0*experiences* after starting sadhan=
a, though not deliberately is very challenging when you are not aware of th=
e *depth* of those. I have always=C2=A0been drawn to The Mother in her so c=
alled *fierce*=C2=A0aspects. So has been my experience when praying to Sri =
Lakshmi Narasimha. It is not coincidence, I hope (: that=C2=A0the mantras a=
nd the deities I pray /worship are always related to the *agni* aspect- I h=
ave felt strange and strong vibrations emanating from deities I mentioned a=
bove, Sri Raghavendra Swami ( he is my Guru=C2=A0and has been since I was i=
n my teens) and it has been consistent of how I have always had association=
with Sri Raghavendra Swami), Hanuman, and Durga Mata, and Sri Aurobindo in=
certain places of worship and they have not always been *famous* ones. But=
what I do understand is that it is always The Mother I see in each one of =
them=C2=A0when I=C2=A0pray.
Sorry for a personal diatribe,
I am truly gra=
teful to Sri Narasimha ji for giving us the opportunity to *imbibe* so much=
nectar through this forum,
Kind regards
Nalini=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
__=
______________________________
From: rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@...=
>
Sent: Wednesday, 5 November, 2008 12:19:=
29 AM
Dear Nalini
=
Sorry for interrupting in your question to Narasimha.Your mail reminded me=

of a similar incident.=C2=A0I have a friend who does very severe japa of a=
mantra she had recieved in a dream. It was a strange dream where she saw a=
little girl, naked, come and sit on her lap and when she asked teh girl wh=
o she (the girl) was, the reply came in sanskrit. Now my friend does not kn=
ow or even understand Sanskrit, so she could not understand what the girl w=
as saying. Then after some time the girl in the dream kept repeating what s=
ounded like a mantra in her ears.
>From next day morning my friend started =

chanting that mantra, after about one and half years of chanting recently s=
he did a sankalpa for chanting and had experinces similar to the kind u des=
cribed. She felt her whole body was internally burning, though there was no=
fever. Her relation with her mom started getting bitter with constant figh=
ts etc..
Later after some days it reduced again. I think this maybe a way =
the karmas are cut off from you. I am not sure of course, Narasimha can tel=
l you better. He much more knowledgeable in=C2=A0 these things.
-Regards
=
=C2=A0Rajarshi
=C2=A0
"This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Haml=
et
--- On Tue, 4/11/08, nalini swamy <nalini2818@yahoo. com> wrote:
From:=
nalini swamy <nalini2818@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Regar=
ding Brahamcharya
Date: Tuesday, 4 Novem=
ber, 2008, 3:58 PM
Dear All,
Namaskar.
Yes, indeed.
I=C2=A0had a doubt t=
hat I wanted to ask Narasimha garu. I recited Sree Hanumathbadabanala stotr=
am some time back. I had an unusual experience of 'being on fire',=C2=A0dur=
ing the initial stages. It was as if I was engulfed in a ball of fire, whic=
h slowly receded over time. I had a similar experience during the Navaratri=
puja when reciting
Devi kavacham. I still have that feeling of an=C2=A0aur=
a of fire around me and feel extremely hot and sweat=C2=A0even in the cold =
weather. This stays on for a time. I also had to face extreme circumstances=
in 'relationships' that matter to me and there is a steady deterioration, =
almost as if a=C2=A0heavy veil has been torn asunder.
I=C2=A0vaguely remem=
ber Narasimha ji telling us in some forum that there might be some ramifica=
tions relating to karma that could manifest when/ after sadhana/worship.
Co=
uld you please clarify, Narasimha garu?
Regards
Nalini
=C2=A0
________=
________________________
From: rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@yahoo. co.in>
To:=
vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com
=
Dear All,
Excelle=
nt chain of mails indeed, including the metion and significance of teh Vika=
ta Rupa of Ganapati to overcome lust.
This is indeed one of the finest int=

ernet forums. May Narasimhaji and the other learned members keep up the goo=
d work, there is so much that ordinary people like me get to learn just by =
reading these mails!.
-Regards
=C2=A0Rajarshi
"This above all: to thine =

own self be true!" - Hamlet
--- On Tue, 4/11/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr=

@charter. net> wrote:

Subjec=
t: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Regarding Brahamcharya
To: vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups.=
com
Date: Tuesday, 4 November, 2008, 9:49 AM
Guys,
I am glad everything=
is sorted out. But, in general, let us be less
defensive and instead focu=
s on subject. Knowing Ajit's nature, I knew
exactly what he meant. However=
, even if Ajit or someone actually said
something negative about me, it is=
not a big deal. One is who one is and
words, good or bad, do not change t=
hat, for better or worse. Why be
Ajit, you are c=

ertainly qualified in commenting. I always knew that you have
tremendous s=
cholarship, great humility and sincerity. People far less
qualified than y=
ou talk/write so much in today's world. Please do write
more.
The imagery=
thrown up by the Puranic story mentioned by you is really nice!
Friends,
=
Lord Hanuman is one who fully overcame lust. He can be worshipped for givi=
ng
self-control.
Lord Hrishikesha gives purity and control over senses (h=

rishika + isha =3D
lord of senses). He can be worshipped for control over =
senses.
Mother Kaali gives dispassion and kills the root of desires. She c=
an be
worshipped for getting rid of desires.
Several things are possible.=

But, for most people in today's times, it is
not going to be one magic bu=
llet that does it, but a combination of various
practices. Patience is nee=
ded.
Try to increase the understanding of what is permanent and what is

t=
ransient.
Best regards,
Narasimha
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From: "utpal =
pathak" <vedic_pathak@ yahoo.com>
Sent=
: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:39 PM
Subject: [vedic-wisdom] Re: Regarding B=
rahamcharya
> Namaste,
>
> Please accept my sincere apology as I misunders=
tood it completely.
>
> Best Regrads,
>
> utpal
>
> --- In vedic-wisdom@ ya=
hoogroups. com, "Ajit Krishnan"
>>
>> namaste=
,
>>
>> Re-re=
ading the formatting of my response, the question is
>=
> that _my comments_ are a case of the blind leading the blind,
> since I a=
m not
>> qualified to comment about anything. I did not intend to question
=
>> Narasimha's comments in any way. I apologize for any confusion.
>>
>> bh=
avadIyaH,
>>
>> ajit
>>
> =
<vedic_pathak@ ...>wrote:
>>
>> > Namaste,
>> >
>> > may i ask why you felt=
that it is a blind leading blind?
>> >
>> > There are many ways to fight d=
esires, especially Lust for
> *Sambhog*
>> >
>> > what you suggested can be=
ONE of the many ways and infact
> everybody
>> > in their heart of hearts =
knows. how much powerful it is. it is
> like
>> > tsunami which has a capab=
ility to sweep off the feat, even the
>> > Saints if they are not vigilant.=
>> >
>> > Shivananada says in his manual of Brahmacharya that it requires
=
> to
>> > attack the lust from all sides to really overcome and destroy.
>>=
>
>> > If some one needs to keepup Brahmacharya, some practical tips
> are=
-
>> >
>> > - No Onion, Garlic in food. avoiding ver=
y spicy and very Hot
> food.
>> > - avoiding over eating at night. (Stomach=
should not be full)
>> > - Mditation, Pranaayaam, Japa, Homam or such Saad=
hanas
>> > - Shirsaasan, Sarvaangaasan
>> > - Prohibition of seeing TV Chan=
nels and Movies
>> > - Thinking mentally that all women are Sisters/Mothers=
>> >
>> > Above all, Prayers to the Ishta Devata. unceasing prayer is the
=
> key.
>> > without Grace of the Lord, it is impossible to uproot the Desir=
e
>> > completely.
>> >
>> > efforts, efforts and efforts.... prayers, pray=
ers and
> prayers...cry
>> > and then one will start winning over the most =
draded of enemies.
>> >
>> > Vivekananda said "The Character is establised =
through thousand
>> >
>> > warm reg=
ards,
>> >
>> > utpal
>> >
>> > --- In vedic-wisdom@ yahoogroups. com, "Aji=
t Krishnan"
>> > <ajit.krishnan@ > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > namaste,
>> > >
>> =
> > I apologize for opening my mouth. This is truly a case of the
>> > bli

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What is taught in the manual is *not* a "traditional Yajna". Though we=

My manual is only for those who w=

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> Mahaganapathi homam and a 2-hour long daily Chandi homam.

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> a regular practice of Mahaganapathi homam.

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