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Jeka · Registered
Joined Sep 14, 2014 · 71 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 · Nov 21, 2018
Hello guys
i have p28 chipped Chrome
its started about year ago
the Fuel pump was delayd,i turn the swith on and it take about 2-3 min before it started to pump,in cold
weather it took about 5-10 mins.
and today i surpriesd
it even dont want to work after 30 mins..
i got the check engine light on(its was before too when i waiting to the fuel pump ) and nothing
happend...
i have replace main relays and fuel pump relay,
the problem is in the ecu cuse i have tried with another p28 with my chip
and it works with no problem
i replaced the resistors and the Capacitors and no changes...
the ecu look OK
Nothing burnt ,Nothing smells burnt
Any Body Got Idea?

Thanks.
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EFB055 · Registered
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Joined Feb 5, 2013 · 1,441 Posts
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#2 · Nov 21, 2018
If the problem is the ECU, why not replace the ECU?
Are you trying to repair it yourself?
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Jeka · Registered
EFB055 said: "

If the problem is the ECU, why not replace the ECU?
Are you trying to repair it yourself?
replace ECU its to easy:greddy2:

i want to repair it myself...
EFB055 · Registered
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#4 · Nov 21, 2018 (Edited)
Well, you can find the signal pin for the main relay, open the case and trace back it testing all the circuit
board items along the way. Without a pretty good understand about how the circuit components work
though, it's not going to be easy to trace the circuit.
If you have a spare good working ECU, I'd have them both open and that way you have a point of
reference for testing (ie: are parts of the circuit hot when they're supposed to be? are you getting
continuity through mosfets at the right time?)
Electronics are only a hobby thing for me though, so i'm sure there's someone with actual real
knowledge who could offer better advice.
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robgoof · Registered
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#5 · Nov 22, 2018
if the caps and res are changed it could be the transistor Qm3..
or not
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Jeka · Registered
robgoof said: "

or not
I will try it today ,thank u
ninjajp · Registered
THE CRX
#7 · Nov 23, 2018
A break down in the ECU huh? I'd want to also find out how it got a burnt pathway without affecting
anything else. Setting the map but not allowing the circuit to break the fuel/main relay?
Make your suspension FASTER than your engine. Research is the best medicine for ignorance.
Jeka · Registered
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robgoof said: "

or not
I replaced the qm3 and the caps and still nothing
drtalon123 · Registered
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Joined Jul 27, 2018 · 2,718 Posts
#9 · Nov 26, 2018
You don't have a solid CEL on or anything do you?
When you say "fuel pump activation was delayed", can you better describe this? Like, are you going
key on engine off and letting it sit for 5 minutes then all of a sudden the quick 2 second prime signal
activates? Or are you going key on engine off, the 2 second prime either works or doesn't work, waiting
5 minutes, trying to crank and it starts because of it waiting 5+ minutes? The differences can mean
different things from a diagnostic point of view.
Have you tested main relay / fuel pump control out of the ECU connector and not at the main relay? You
could have wiring issues between the ECU and the main relay.
Also, have you tried jumping the fuel pump relay terminals to run the pump all the time, then crank and
see if the ECU allows the engine to start and run normally? This could rule out and narrow down the
problems to only fuel pump control. If you manually get the fuel pump to run the whole time, but the
ECU will not let the car start during your 5-10 minute waiting period, you have issues that extend
beyond just fuel pump control. If it doesn't start with the pump wired ON, check all ECU inputs to make
sure it is getting everything is needs to completely power up BEFORE replacing the ECU.
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Jeka · Registered
drtalon123 said: "

You don't have a solid CEL on or anything do you?
When you say "fuel pump activation was delayed", can you better describe this? Like, are you going key on engine
off and letting it sit for 5 minutes then all of a sudden the quick 2 second prime signal activates? Or are you going
key on engine off, the 2 second prime either works or doesn't work, waiting 5 minutes, trying to crank and it starts
because of it waiting 5+ minutes? The differences can mean different things from a diagnostic point of view.
Click
Have you tested main relay / fuel pump control out to expand...
of the ECU connector and not at the main relay? You could have
4 of 8 1/1/23, 11:12 PM
Thank u for ur good answer.
Before,i put the key on,check engine light on

And need to wait about 3-15 min depending on weather,when hot outside ita take about 3-5 min,when
cold outside(+20c) its can take about 10-20 min,then the fuel pump started prime and check engine
light off.
Then i start the engine and no problems with fuel map/fuel pump.
The problem is only START the fuel pump prime,and then all good.
Its ecu problem cuse a have tried anothet p28 and its work perfect,even with my chip.
robgoof · Registered
Sloppy Jalopy
#11 · Nov 27, 2018
hey found this on pgmfi
Fuel pump & main relay delay is caused by faulty/intermittant TA8903 Power Supervisor IC
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drtalon123 · Registered
93 Civic HB SI, 95 Civic HB CX
#12 · Nov 28, 2018
Jeka said: "

Thank u for ur good answer.
Before,i put the key on,check engine light on

And need to wait about 3-15 min depending on weather,when hot outside ita take about 3-5 min,when cold
outside(+20c) its can take about 10-20 min,then the fuel pump started prime and check engine light off.
Then i start the engine and no problems with fuel map/fuel pump.
The problem is only START the fuel pump prime,andClick to expand...
then all good.
Interesting,
So Check Engine Light stays on solid until your posted times pass, the fuel pump primes, then the
Check Engine Light turns off and it allows you to start.
It's good that you have tried another ECU and confirmed that the problem disappears with a new ECU.
You've definitely narrowed it down, unfortunately until I finish my OBD1 ECU simulator I have no visual
into which ECU components are responsible for certain tasks such as main relay control/pump prime
control. All I can do is my own research through other people's experiences, same as you! I have not
5 of 8 1/1/23, 11:12 PM
run into this situation before, so I don't know and I can't offer any personal experience.
Hopefully you find the answer you are looking for somewhere out there! As another member said,
PGMFI.org is a wealth of DIY reverse-engineering for the OBD1 Honda world. I'm sure the answers you
seek are in there!
Good luck, let us know what you find!
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Jeka · Registered
Discussion Starter · #13 · Dec 11, 2018
Just update u guys

i have tried all you reccomended for me ,
and replaced again all caps
and still nothing :S
atx4five · Registered
A 2011 335i
Joined Jun 24, 2018 · 4 Posts
#14 · Dec 15, 2018
Check continuity from logic ground pins at ecu all the way to the thermostat housing ground. Recently
had similar issues. I crimped a new ring terminal at the thermostat grounds and it fixed my issue.
THE CRX
#15 · Dec 16, 2018
See? Circuit continuity ...
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Jeka · Registered
Discussion Starter · #16 · Dec 17, 2018
atx4five said: "

Check continuity from logic ground pins at ecu all the way to the thermostat housing ground. Recently had similar
issues. I crimped a new ring terminal at the thermostat grounds and it fixed my issue.
Its not the problem...i take anothrr ecu and all works perfect
THE CRX
#17 · Dec 17, 2018
Exactly the point. The other ECU doesn't have shutdown pathways limping to success. You got your
alarm hooked into it or have it programmed in some way?
I had to disconnect that whole fucker once before i stopped limping.
In the end it's a pit stop for throw off codes. I'd say it's shot if you dont get any repeat codes just off
hand.
Study extra p28
Learn from it. Sounds captain obvious but it's not in front of me.
Get a circuit checker with a running light. That will help narrow your search.
Louie · Registered
#18 · Mar 28, 2019
Just wanted to say i have the same issue. I have not tried to diagnose it but should in about a week or
so. Let you guys know what i find.
Nasty_Canasta · Registered
'93 / '95 Del Sol Si - '95 DX Coupe - '98 Civic Hatch - '00 Accord EX F23 Manual
#19 · Jul 25, 2019
When you say, "the problem is in the ecu cuse i have tried with another p28 with my chip and it
works with no problem"
7 of 8 1/1/23, 11:12 PM
What do you mean by this? You put your chip in someone else's car and it worked?
Are you burning the chips? What are you using? Moates? Or old school EEPROM burner?
I have extensive experience in Crome and burning chips...and all the weird
stuff that happens when doing this stuff..
I've had the same map do the exact same thing multiple times. Somehow, it was corrupted or the ECU
just didn't like it. Eventually, I copied the tables over and created a new map..and it was fine.
Also, does your ECU have the little clip lever that locks the chip in? Or is it the cheaper ones that make
you force the chip in and out of the socket?
When you cut the resistor / wire that enables that socket to control the ECU, does the ECU work fine?
Meaning, when you disable the socketed area of the ECU, does it work as it should?
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Civicpeg · Registered
Joined Dec 24, 2019 · 3 Posts
#20 · Mar 26, 2020
I am having problem my fuel pump doesnt prime, but I have left off a logic ground wire. That wire was
originally ruined to the old distributor. And I am not getting ignition pulse or spark.
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Discussion Starter · #1 · Nov 21, 2018

Any Body Got Idea?

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#2 · Nov 21, 2018

If the problem is the ECU, why not replace the ECU?

Are you trying to repair it yourself?

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Discussion Starter · #3 · Nov 21, 2018

EFB055 said: "

Are you trying to repair it yourself?

replace ECU its to easy:greddy2:

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Discussion Starter · #6 · Nov 23, 2018

robgoof said: "

I will try it today ,thank u

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Discussion Starter · #8 · Nov 26, 2018

robgoof said: "

I replaced the qm3 and the caps and still nothing

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#9 · Nov 26, 2018

You don't have a solid CEL on or anything do you?

93 EG SI Hatch Racecar, 95 EG CX Hatch Daily

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Discussion Starter · #10 · Nov 27, 2018

drtalon123 said: "

Thank u for ur good answer.

Before,i put the key on,check engine light on

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#11 · Nov 27, 2018

hey found this on pgmfi

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Jeka said: "

Before,i put the key on,check engine light on

Good luck, let us know what you find!

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Discussion Starter · #13 · Dec 11, 2018

Just update u guys

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#15 · Dec 16, 2018

See? Circuit continuity ...

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