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o Even the Nestle-Aland Greek text lists Cyprian as supporting 1 John 5:7, but James Snapp denies it. It was in
the Old Latin, and the Latin Vulgate. The Latin Vulgate did not drop down from heaven. It was translated
out of Greek manuscripts that they had at that time.
And Jerome himself notes how many were removing 1 John 5:7 from their texts in his time.
JEROME tells us that certain Arian scribes were removing this section of Scripture from the Greek
manuscripts.
Even more to the point is the testimony of Jerome on this matter. Jerome was commissioned by Damasus,
the bishop of Rome, to prepare a standard Latin translation of the Holy Scriptures to replace the former
Latin translations which had grown in multiplicity by the late 4th century. Jerome did this, utilizing the
Greek as his source for revision of the Latin New Testament for his Vulgate.14 At one point in his work,
JEROME NOTED THAT THE TRINITARIAN READING OF I John 5:7 WAS BEING REMOVED
FROM GREEK MANUSCRIPTS WHICH HE HAD COME ACROSS, a point which he specifically
mentions. Speaking of the testimony of these verses he writes,
"Just as these are properly understood and so translated faithfully by interpreters into Latin without leaving
ambiguity for the readers nor [allowing] the variety of genres to conflict, especially in that text where we
read the unity of the trinity is placed in the first letter of John, where MUCH ERROR HAS OCCURRED
AT THE HANDS OF UNFAITHFUL TRANSLATORS CONTRARY TO THE TRUTH OF FAITH,
WHO HAVE KEPT JUST THE THREE WORDS WATER, BLOOD AND SPIRIT IN THIS EDITON
OMITTING MENTION OF FATHER, WORD AND SPIRIT in which especially the catholic faith is
strengthened and the unity of substance of Father, Son and Holy Spirit is attested."
Thus, we see that JEROME SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED THAT THIS VERSE WAS BEING
REMOVED FROM GREEK MANUSCRIPTS IN HIS DAY.
It is the strongest verse in the Bible on the doctrine of the Trinity. No wonder Satan and evil men would like
to get rid of it.
Speaking of the citations of the early church fathers John Gill continues: "And yet, after all, certain it is, that
it is cited by many of them; by Fulgentius, in the beginning of the "sixth" century, against the Arians,
without any scruple or hesitation; and Jerome, as before observed, has it in his translation made in the latter
end of the "fourth" century; AND IT IS CITED BY ATHANASIUS ABOUT THE YEAR 350; AND
BEFORE HIM BY CYPRIAN, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE THIRD CENTURY, ABOUT THE YEAR
250; AND IT IS REFERRED TO BY TERTULLIAN ABOUT THE YEAR 200; AND WHICH WAS
WITHIN A HUNDRED YEARS, OR LITTLE MORE, OF THE WRITING OF THE EPISTLE, WHICH
MAY BE ENOUGH TO SATISFY ANYONE OF THE GENUINENESS OF THIS PASSAGE; and
besides, there never was any dispute about it till Erasmus left it out in the first edition of his translation of
the New Testament; and yet he himself, upon the credit of the old British copy before mentioned, put it into
another edition of his translation."
The church Council of Carthage in A.D. 484 is highly significant. Prior to this council, a conflict had arisen
between the Arians and a group of bishops from North Africa. An assembly was called at Carthage where I
John 5:7-8 was insisted upon by Eugenius, the spokesman for the African bishops. The bishops included the
Johannine Comma as a first line of defense for their confession of Christ's deity. Acting as spokesman for
some 350 church bishops Eugenius confessed his faith and the faith of his brethren with these words: "...and
in order that we may teach until now, more clearly than light, that the Holy Spirit is now one divinity with
the Father and the Son. It is proved by THE EVANGELIST JOHN, FOR HE SAYS, "THERE ARE
THREE WHICH BEAR TESTIMONY IN HEAVEN, THE FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE Holy
Spirit, AND THESE THREE ARE ONE."
Victor of Vitensis, Historia persecutionis Africanae Prov, Translated by Michael Maynard in A History of
the Debate Over 1 John 5:7-8.
But James Snapp just blows right on by all this evidence and thinks he knows more about it than all these
mentioned.
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James E Snapp Jr
Will Kinney
, I didn't "blow right on by" that at all. The contents of my materials where I address them (such as
at https://www.thetextofthegospels.com/.../cyprian-and-comma... ) simply isn't registering due to your
dedicated adherence to your mumpsimus. As usual.
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Cyprian and the Comma Johanneum
Cyprian and the Comma Johanneum
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Kevin Deegan
The oldest manuscripts in existence are NOT the Greek uncials; they are Old Latin and Syriac.
The evidence in these more ancient authorities is dispatched or ignored, why?…
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Kevin Deegan,
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James E Snapp Jr
So your saying that the grand total of 5 EXTANT Greek ms from before the 8th century that actually have
the chapter (5) in question rule the day?
Do you know if the 5 include the whole chapter and verses?
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Kevin Deegan,
You're free to look them up yourself.
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Kevin Deegan
Aren't there only a total of 5 Greek MSS that even contain chapter 5 in 1 JN, prior to the 8th century?
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John Word
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www.scionofzion.com/1_john_5_78.htm
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1 John 5:7-8
1 John 5:7-8
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Thompson Chain KJV A GOOD bIBLE?
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John Word
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I use text only bibles. I do not recommend study bibles and check out cross references in bibles that have
them as they may not be correct. The best way to study the KJB is by comparing scripture to scripture. You
have to read it through a couple of ti…
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1 John 5:7,8
"in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in
earth" has been omitted by the RV, Ne, NIV, NKJV marg., RSV, GN, LB, NASV, NSRB marg. (insisting that the
words have no…
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Joshua Gibbs
It’s not spurious.
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James E Snapp Jr
Joshua Gibbs, That's not an argument!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohDB5gbtaEQ
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Argument - Monty Python
Argument - Monty Python
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Yi-Ming Shao
It has been encouraging to see many of KJB lovers focus on the text without relying on any reference or note. Indeed,
any serious KJB lover who are faithful to His Word will eventually flow into a realm where he or she is content with
the text itself and fellowship with God solely by the text and not by anything else.
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Cyprian and the Comma Johanneum

Cyprian and the Comma Johanneum

The evidence in these more ancient authorities is dispatched or ignored, why?…

Do you know if the 5 include the whole chapter and verses?

You're free to look them up yourself.

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Thompson Chain KJV A GOOD bIBLE?

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It’s not spurious.

Argument - Monty Python

Argument - Monty Python

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