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Week 8 Law
Week 8 Law
Judges
- Can interpret statues to avoid injustice
- They are independent > cannot sack a judge unless for severe misconduct or in compacity – doesn’t
include decisions made that are ‘wrong’ or aren’t in favour\
Executive
- Can check the other branches
- Controls the legislative agenda – the legislature says these bills are coming before parliament and are
going to pass – this makes it hard for parliament to pass large laws
- The executive can soften laws impact. How?
The executive is responsible for controlling the laws and can soften the impact e.g., police normally have
discretion in certain aspects to decide whether to prosecute or not.
- When a bill comes before parliament it has to undergo a vetting to see it is the bills of rights Act > so
it doesn’t infringe on any of the freedoms within the bill of rights. this responsibility is for the
attorney general
- To see if the legislation complies with the bill of rights or not
To have the separation of power > need to look at the branches of power
Under the constitution act parliament has law making power under section 15 (1)
Parliament consists of the sovereign rights of New Zealand in the house of representatives
- Parliament has power to make law
- Consists of both MPS of the sovereign right of NZ > as discussed in section 2 the sovereign right of
NZ is the queen – the British monarch
Queen is queen of NZ
What if MPs or the governor general disagrees with the law. What happens?
- The queen isn’t elected – does not live her > has no political role
Disagreement:
- There never is a disagreement – the practice is that the governor genral/queen has no part into the
law of NZ –
- Looks like a powerful role on power – but in reality she hasn’t got much power over NZ law
Where’s the authority of this? who says the queen is always/responds to the advice of the minister?
- Where is this written down?
- It is not written down anywhere
Constitution convention – unwritten rule or guideline that tells people what to do in particular constitutional
situations > cant go to court to enforce it as its not a law
- It evolves over the practice and habits
- Most unwritten conventions come from Britain > not written down
Metaphor:
Written rules – skeleton
Unwritten – muscle tissues and ligaments
The executive is the administrative bits of government - made up of lots of governmental organisations
- On top is the ministers – que\
One big problem with the theory and should stick out
- Overlaps between the different branches > they are not truly independent of each other
- If they overlap – spill over – how can they really be separate and keep a check on other branches?
More marks for examples – ministers who are the executive council are also members of parliament
Lecture 2 – 03/05/22
Problems of the theory – there are overlaps between the 3 branches – not truly independent of each other – if
they spill over each other how can they be separate
Executive council – obvious overlap
- Governor general advisors
- Pull the strings of the sovereign – they are emps as well
- Part of the legislature
Section6 of the constitution Act – they are not ordinary MPS they are leaders of the governing party
- Dominate the house of representatives
- Also, the ministers and head up the executive
The same people control the queen – house of representatives and the executive
How much of a check can parliament keep over the executive if the parliament is controlled by the executive
– if the executive are the same people who run parliament
- Has this changed this under our electorate system – MMP – proportional representation?
- Up until the last election MMP is more likely to lead minority government
Ministers had to muster majority to pass laws – convince other people outside the governing party
Furthermore – overlap with parliament and executive
Parliament has delegated the power to set rules governing the conduct lawyers to the law society
- Delegates all sorts of powers to the governor general and council to pass all sorts of regulation
Governor general and council is set out in section 3 in the constitution act
- The sovereign acting by in the consent of the executive council
Section 3 A (1)
The advice and consent of the executive council can be given by a meeting in which the governor general is
not present
- The executive is deciding on matters on delegated legislation – in breach of the doctrine of
separation of powers
Further example of where the doctrine of separation of powers does not work pristinely, fully as it should
work in theory
- Judges have a law-making role – especially in the common law
- There are whole aspects of the common law – made up by judges
Example – torte of negligence
- Not allowed to act negligently
- You owe a duty of care to someone to act in all proper care and with diligence
This torte was invented by the judges under common law – it was not something passed by parliament –
passed by judge-based law
- That is the strict opposition of the separation of powers
Judges operating under common law are making law
- Judges supposedly under the separation of power – only interpreting the law – they have a further
law-making judgement when interpreting statutes
- The courts had to determine what was meant by the phrase “the principles of the treaty of Waitangi”
- State own enterprise act comes a part of the law
In interpreting statutes in accordance with the treaty the judges were setting out what the principles were and
what they meant
- In essence is law making – in strict opposition of the theory of separation of powers
- Judges shouldn’t be making law if the theory of separation of powers
Issue – what rights can be prescribed or limited if it can be demoralised in a democratic society
- There isn’t identified limitations in the bill of rights
Judges are making law – that is a law-making function – furthermore it is contrary to the strict doctrine of
the separation of powers
What way does the theory does not work – that parliament has control of and enforces its own procedure –
the house of representative has exclusive power to regulate its own procedure
What does this mean? Can’t go to court and say parliament has brokens its own rules – parliament I acting
as judiciary – infringing the separation of power
The chairs of these commission are appointed by the executive but apart of the judiciary
- Dispute tribunal – small courts of tribunal
The executive gives administrative support to judges – pays them and administers these tribunals
- Not strict separation powers if the administrative is giving advice
- 3 branches of govt are separate and give check on the other – so not one branch gets too much power
Know the theory of the doctrine of the separation of powers quite well – give examples of how this works in
practice and how it does not work in practice!!!!!
The basic theory is the executive keeps check on parliament and judiciary
marking on final exams are what induces the marker – feels good that it’s a good answer is if students can
give examples which was given outside the lecture material
- Marks go up
Legislative process
- How the laws get made
Descriptive – describing the internal workings of the clock – page 90 in our textbook
- Common law
- Statute law
The common law is made by judges over the centuries and is made in response to specific problems which
claimants or ligaments brought to the judges
- Used to be the most important source of law
- Includes a whole bunch of things – the law of negligence > torte law – meaning wrong
- This means if u owe a duty of care to someone you must act to a certain standard – if not you act sort
of negligence and are liable
- Common law convention which was created by judges
Most Contract law is covered by the common law – contracts are determined by common law
Second source – statute law (more important source of law – altered much of the common law)
- ACC has wrecked the old common law of personal injury – was a torte but now is covered by statute
- Employment legislation – employment law used to be simple matter of contract law – governed now
by series of statutes – privacy law and privacy act
- Old common law tortes which governed privacy law – now governed by statute
Parts of contract law have been changed by statute – which was run by common law
- Consumer guarantees act have cut through contract law – governed by statute
Main point is that most of the major action today is in statute law – particularly big changes in the law
Lecture 3 - 05/05/22
Discussed the two main sources of law – common law – judge made law – court hearing disputes
Second- statute
Legislation is the umbrella term that includes acts/statutes – can also refer to delegated legislation
- The difference is that parliament does not pass regulations- they are passed with parliamentary
authorisation – parliament authorises someone to make regulations via an Act
Under the term legislation – bylaws – laws which local councils/local authorities have passed –
Over 600 hundred acts enforced within NZ – cover virtually every area of life in NZ
- 1931 put all legislation in 8 volumes – RS’s – reprinted statutes
- 1957 – 16 volumes
- Now we have over 30 – coming to 40 volumes
Lots of legislation and lots of law – nz thinks as a world leader – highest rates of legislation in the world
Statutes per head of population
Because we don’t have the code and acts applying to conduct – sometimes our acts may conflict – say
different things
- Parliament may pass laws in a hurry – pass without how this will fit in obscure law passed previously
- This is more common than we think
- The doctrine of replied appeal – statute conflicts with earlier one the court may hold the later statute
impliedly repealed the earlier on – applied because hasn’t been expressly done
Statutes
Sources of the constitution – part of new zealands legal histry – we have imperial statutes
- Either made by Britain for us or they were made for Great Britain itself and extended
Ana ct of parliament – imperial laws application act 1988 > number have been preserved of our law and now
a part of our constitution – magna carta, bill of irghts act 1688
Laws we make for ourselves – looking at
3 types
From elast important
- Private acts > for the benefit of particular indiviaual people or organisations whom have gotten into
legal istuations and need to get out of it > don’t apply generally only the subject manner of the act
e.g. john Donald mcfarmland state administration act 1918 > allowed his estate to be distributed his
death i.e. what was being left in his will
- usually one or two passed each year
Local acts
- Apply only to particular area or locaility
e.g. wellington harbour reclamation and empowering act – applies to wellington harbour
- not many each year and not controversial
1. government bills
supported by governing party – apart of government policy > result is that chances increase going
through parliament and becoming law
they are put in a biscuit tin – certain number will put the bill forward
the government will pick them up as government policy – better chance of th bill becoming an act
e.g. paid parental leave – started as private member bill but became an act
- a lot of have not been picked up
- all change is done by parliament
Legislative process
- hoops our laws must go through
- bills have to do to become act
Political parties’ manifesto – what they will do if they get elected as government
Cabinet – meets every Monday and is the main source for bills
MPs be able to persuade their party that something should be made a law
Coalition parties -
Where do Bills come from:
•Manifestos (political parties) - their 'promises' to the country before being elected
•Cabinet
•MP's - able to sway their party that something should be made law
•Coalition parties
•Government departments - sees a problem and promotes a solution
•Law commission
•Ministry of Justice - has its own law reform division
•Inquiry/ commission/ taskforce - e.g. Waitangi Tribunal
•Individuals/ companies/ Lobby groups
How to get a bill into parliament:
1.Get Government support
2.Convince minority parties (if we have a coalition government)
3.Get cabinet legislation committee <-- senior cabinet ministers, convince them to put the idea onto its
legislative program agenda
4.Must draft your Bill <-- written in a form which can be passed by parliament, requires working under
conditions of extreme urgency
5.Circulate in government/ the executive <-- government department responsible for the bill, ensure there
are no spelling errors etc., run passed other government agencies that may be interested in the bill which
provides further checking.
6.Legislations advisory committee <-- independent expert committee, e.g. legal academics, judges, senior
lawyers. They check as to whether the bill performs the task it is being passed for, they check the necessity.
Provides an objective oversight. Supposedly not politically aligned. Checks its in line with Te Tiriti, the bill
of rights act, etc.
7.Cabinet legislation committee again <-- provides a final check to ensure its in a form ready to be put on
the legislative agenda.
8.Cabinet <-- signal, there may be debate as not all cabinet members agree with legislature, MP's argue with
each other about whether the bill is good or bad. Once cabinet has approved it, all ministers will be behind it
and present a united front to the public, this is an unwritten convention, the convention of collective
ministerial responsibility, that ministers are collectively responsible for any cabinet decision.
9.Caucus <-- a meeting of all government party MP's, e.g. at this moment: all the Labour party MP's. It is
extremely unlikely that the bill will be defeated at the caucus vote. Conventionally, no one will disagree in
public. Votes to approve.
After this, it is virtually inevitable that the bill will pass in parliament.
This doesn't discredit the parliamentary process because:
•It can have an important influence
The Commerce Bill
Its' process through parliament:
•It was a labour parliament bill
•National opposed the bill
◦In spite of introducing a somewhat identical bill previously
•The muldoon labour government introduced this bill in 1982
•David kaegel in charge of the bill
•John Banks was the main MP against the bill
◦He argued that Kaegel had no business experience to pass this bill
Our laws are gender neutral, written in plain language etc. to make them more accessible.
Bills must be Consistent with the treaty