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Unpacking the Huge

Connection Between Gut
Health and Hair Health
Evan Brand, CFMP, NTP

Julie: Welcome, everybody, to the summit Healthy
Body, Healthy Hair: The Truth About Hair Loss. I’m
your host, Julie Olson. There’s a huge connection
between digestive health and hair growth and
loss. And who better to explore this important
gut-health connection than Evan Brand. He’s a
pioneer in podcasting on functional medicine
subjects with over 22 million downloads, and
he’s transformed the lives of thousands, using
the same advanced lab testing strategies and
protocols he used to overcome his own health
struggles. Hi, Evan. I’m so thrilled to have you
here.
Evan: Hey, Julie. It’s a pleasure. Thanks for having
me.
Julie: Now when you were going through your
health struggles, did you struggle with any hair
loss?
Evan: Well, it’s kind of interesting you say that
because when I look back, when I first got sick
with mold and I also had gut infections, I noticed
my hair was pretty thin. I would go…which I’m
not a guy who obsesses about hair in general,
but when I would go to get a haircut, I’d feel like,
God, I’d feel like there’s nothing left after I’d get a
haircut.
So I don’t know if I was losing it and I wasn’t
paying attention…because for a woman, it’s easy.
You see the big clump of hair in the shower, it’s
pretty easy to identify. But for a male, I think it
was maybe washing down. So I would say I don’t
know, but what I’ll say is it felt thin for a while. And
now it feels much thicker. My wife says it feels like
a carpet, which it did when we first started dating.
So I would assume that’s a good thing.
Julie: Absolutely. Now can you explain how a
functional medicine approach can help identify
and address the root causes of hair loss linked
to gut issues, such as parasites, candida, gut
infections, nutrient deficiencies, and so forth?
Evan: Sure. Yeah, let’s unpack it. So first things
first, I think we should talk about nutrient
deficiency. So first of all, the soil. Incredibly
nutrient deficient compared to just a hundred
years ago. In fact, even our own USDA in America
studied the nutrient levels in food and, for
example, an orange from the 1920s versus an
orange today, you would have to eat almost ten
oranges to get the nutrient level of one orange
back in the 1920s.
So your parents, grandparents, et cetera, all of us,
they were born with a much more nutrient-rich
soil to start with. So even if you’re buying organic
today at Whole Foods or Costco or whatever,
even if it’s organic, that just means that it wasn’t
sprayed with toxic chemicals which damage
the gut and could ultimately lead to nutrient
deficiencies and hair loss. That just means they
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But that doesn’t mean that it’s full of nutrients
just because it’s organic. So I want to point that
distinction out, that organic does not mean
nutrient dense. There’s no certification for
nutrient density. So when you look at those
organic strawberries at Whole Foods and you buy
them for five, six bucks a box, the strawberries
from 50 years ago, even, were twice as nutrient
rich.
So that’s a big problem, and this is why I do
encourage people, if you can, get a hold of a
local organic farmer where they have more eyes
and ears on the soil. These guys focus more on
nutrient density, regenerative methods that put
more nutrients back in, as opposed to just some
mega organic farm where it’s just a monoculture
of strawberries, for example.
If you’re getting it from your backyard farmer,
my God, those are some delicious strawberries.
I don’t have any studies on those, but I would
assume the backyard ones where these guys are
doing composting and doing other things to make
the soil better, those are going to be better for
you.
And when you look at nutrient levels on testing,
this is evident. This is not just in the soil. This is
showing up in the human body. I’m in the top
ten worldwide of practitioners running the most
organic acids testing. Organic acid is a dried…well,
it’s not dried, but it’s a fasted urine sample. So you
wake up, pee in the cup, you get that back to the
lab.
There’s several companies that do these. And
you can measure glutathione. You can measure
B vitamins, vitamin C. You can measure biotin,
which I’m sure a million people are going to beat
the drum on biotin during this event. But you can
measure these nutrient levels in the urine.
And I would say 90 percent of people have
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suboptimal levels. This doesn’t mean they’re
totally toast. In many cases they are. But this
means that on this bar--it’s like a bar graph that
you can look at of people where they’re in a
range--no one is where they should be. Everyone’s
on the low side. So B vitamins, vitamin C, we just
go down the list. Everyone’s nutrient deficient.
And keep in mind, these are people that have
already been to 5, 10, 20 people before they
get to me, in terms of doctors, practitioners.
They’ve already been to all the experts before
they call me. So the low-hanging fruit has
already been addressed, is what I’m telling you.
Meaning, these people have likely already done
digestive enzymes. They’ve done multivitamins,
professional supplements likely before they get to
me, and they’re still looking that bad on paper.
So we really are in a nutrient apocalypse, and this
is a real problem. So I think a lot of people ask me
the question clinically, well, how long do I have to
take supplements? And then I answer that with a
question, which is, well, do you want to survive, or
do you want to thrive? And everyone says, well, of
course, I want to thrive.
And I say, okay. Well, based on my learning by
running thousands of these, everyone’s nutrient
deficient. The soil’s nutrient deficient, and, by
the way, on your stool test, which is another
important piece, we also found you have these
parasites, this gut inflammation. You have H.
pylori, which is a bacteria that’s reducing stomach
acid. That’s affecting nutrient absorption. So
you have to supplement if you really want to be
optimal.
And I’ve taken people that are so strict, so clean
with their diet, and even those people are still low
in certain things. So this does not discriminate,
this nutrient deficiency. It doesn’t discriminate at
all. It can affect everyone equally.
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And one of those manifestations could be hair
loss. So that’s the roundabout way to get to your
question and your topic here, but hair loss is
really just an indicator. It’s a clue. And usually,
when the hair loss is there, there’s something else
happening as well. There could be skin issues, like
keratosis pilaris on the back of the arms, these
little bumps on the back of the triceps. That’s
pretty common, related to nutrient deficiencies
like fatty acids.
You may also see issues with your nails. So if you
have issues with your hair, you’re probably going
to have issues with your fingernails. You could
have weak or brittle fingernails. You could have
vertical ridges, so people can look down at their
fingernails now and study those nails.
If you’ve got vertical ridging, if you have white
spots on your nails, if you have any sort of
indention in your nails, just something that
doesn’t look like a healthy nail, or let’s say you go
to open a can, like a little can of soda--hopefully
it’s an organic soda or something, not Coca-Cola-
-but when you go to crack open that pop top,
I mean, if your fingernail feels like it’s going to
break, or you literally don’t have the nail strength,
that would clue us in that, hey, there could be
something with the hair too.
So when I’m doing a work-up on someone,
if a woman says hair loss is one of her main
complaints, I’m doing urine, the organic acids that
I told you about. We’re going to look at the stool.
That’s a DNA stool test that we do at home to look
for gut infections. And then there’s also chemical
toxins that we can measure too. So there may be
a combination of three or four tests that I would
consider as a “functional medicine work-up” to
address hair loss and investigate this.
And then, as you know, blood work would be
helpful too. I’ll tell you honestly, I don’t run
a ton of blood work in the beginning with a
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client because blood work is really showing the
downstream effect of what’s going on upstream.
So let me say that in a different way. You’re seeing
anemia on the blood. And we could say, okay,
low ferritin. Ferritin is an iron-storage protein.
Low iron in general, this may affect hair, energy.
Women may have anxiety. They may feel short
of breath. So we’ll see that manifestation on the
blood work. But if I see low ferritin or low iron,
I might not necessarily just want to go in and
supplement iron.
I want to look upstream. Why is the iron deficient?
Why is this anemia problem there? Oh, we see all
these parasites. They went on a trip to Mexico and
got food poisoning, and they’ve never been the
same. Okay, that’s upstream. So if we fix that on
the functional lab, the blood work downstream
will end up looking better.
So I’m happy to run blood. I do run blood. But it’s
not something that I would consider mandatory.
If your situation’s bad enough to be watching
this event, though, maybe you should do a good
functional medicine work-up via blood. And that
means going far beyond the standard biomarkers
that your doctor’s going to run on the blood. So
that would include a full thyroid panel, thyroid
antibodies, like TPO, TSI, TG, which are thyroid
globulin antibodies.
You could run all your nutrients via blood. Some
argue about the accuracy, urine versus blood. If
you’re sick and need help, might as well do both.
And then, of course, we’re going to run that full
iron panel too. So we will look at ferritin as an
indicator. And if ferritin is below…I’d say below 50,
maybe even below 60, we need to work on that
with females.
And, of course, menstruating females, this is
going to be a much bigger problem. Especially
if there’s clotting or heavy bleeding or long
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periods, these females are going to have a lot
more issue. So now, once again, we’re working
upstream, because now we’re thinking, okay, well,
what functional issue has led to the hormonal
imbalance that’s now causing excessive bleeding,
excessive cramping, PMS? There’s irritability along
with this hair loss. Now they’re pissed off and
they’re losing their hair. That’s a bad combination.
So now we’re back to the gut again. Okay, there’s
infections here. There’s things that could be like
mold toxin, mycotoxins. If someone has been
living or working in a moldy building, for example,
mold toxin is highly estrogenic. So if you’ve been
working in an office that had a water leak and
you got exposed to these mycotoxins, those
mycotoxins could be highly estrogenic.
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Those estrogen-like compounds could push you
into estrogen dominance, which may cause issues
with hair, skin, nails, female hormone imbalances,
infertility. So we could see that issue on the blood.
But once again, you’ve got to get back to the
functional causes of it by looking at the urine to
look for the mold toxin.
So I know I’m throwing a lot at you. I’m just
wanting to unpack how I approach this when I
see a case. We’re looking over here. We’re looking
over there. And then we have to tie all these
puzzle pieces together. There’s no magic bullet.
Someone may sell you on this particular growth
hormone or this or that.
But really, we get our wins by combining small
wins. So 20 percent improvement by treating
parasites. Twenty percent improvement by
treating bacterial infections. Ten to twenty percent
by increasing the digestive capacity by adding
extra enzymes and acids.
I sell grassfed beef organs, so we’ll often throw in
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organ meats, liver, and heart, and some of these
other more obscure meats that add nutrient
density to the diet. And then we may do some
mineral micronutrient supplementation. But that’s
really how you complete the puzzle of hair loss
and get someone back to where they need to be.
Julie: Sure. Absolutely. You brought some
really good points. To start at the beginning, it’s
interesting because my grandmother lived to 104
on no medications. And the only reason she’s
gone is because she stopped eating.
Evan: Wow.
Julie: But she ate farm-fresh vegetables. She ate
wild game. She loved to cook, and just case in
point. People, they can grow a garden. I mean,
there’s really no excuse. So that’s the first thing.
And then, yeah, I love those tests. I run the same
tests.
And also, I like how they show that somebody’s
not absorbing, say, protein or their healthy fat. So
that brings it at a different level. Because I get a
lot of women who seem to be eating really well,
but once you start digging into these functional
labs, you’re like, oh, well, no wonder they can’t
grow their hair. They’re not even absorbing their
protein. And then you can look at the methylation
pathways too. Are they detoxing properly, which
then gets into our B vitamins and hormones. So
can you take that a step further?
Evan: Yeah. Well, B vitamins, I’ve looked at blood,
and then I’ve looked at the organic acid. I could be
wrong, but I think the urine almost might be more
accurate because it’s measuring the metabolites
of it, these breakdown products of your vitamins.
So I really don’t run those blood panels for
nutrient levels anymore.
But I would say across the board this is something
that almost every hair, skin, and nail supplement
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out there is going to contain. So I think if you’re
starting at a baseline, as long as you have some
broad-spectrum coverage there, where maybe
you have extra magnesium, extra vitamin C, a
full B complex, we may add biotin. We may add
N-acetyl cysteine.
And then there’s a couple of other unique
formulas. Like you’ll see olive leaf can be added.
You’ll see bamboo extract. You’ll see these other
sources, like horsetail, which contain silica. So
there’s some other cool plants that you can add in
as an extract form for the hair.
Now can you just take a hair supplement and
get yourself fixed? I don’t think so. I agree with
you about the methylation. I don’t go too deep
into methylation, meaning I’m not studying the
genetics of it. I’ve looked at genetic SNPs and this
or that, and I think MTHFR genetic defect, sure, it
can play into your situation. But I’m not going to
solely isolate that and say this is your cause. I’ll
likely just throw in some methylated B vitamins
and call it a day.
So you may get geekier than I do. I’m not sure
how geeky you get into that. But I just glance
at it, and I’m like, sure, it’s a piece of the puzzle.
Fine. And we’ll throw in something methylated to
support that pathway.
Julie: Yeah. And also, like you mentioned, the
mold, the toxins, it really shows up initially on that
organic acids. And then you’re doing a mycotox
test. But I’m seeing a ton of that.
Evan: It’s epidemic. Yeah. Almost everyone has
mold toxin. It’s kind of crazy. This is kind of the
hidden epidemic, really, because there’s not many
people looking at this. So all of us at some point
have likely lived or worked or potentially went
to college, stayed in a dorm. Our kids have done
the same, potentially. Mold toxin is also passed
through the placenta and through breast milk.
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So there’s even this multigenerational transfer of
toxins happening from mom to baby.
So I’m fortunate that I work with a lot of kids too.
I’ve even seen cases, like pediatric cases, where
kids are having issues with not only their gut, their
skin, but also their nails and their hair. Five and
six-year-olds that are complaining about this. And
the parents are worried about it. That’s freaky.
And we test these kids, and they all have some
level of toxicity, either chemicals, heavy metals,
pesticides, then the mold. It’s a really big piece of
the puzzle.
So I would assume that if you haven’t already
looked here, you should turn that rock over. And
that’s easy to do because most of these labs now,
they can run a combo test, meaning they can run
the urine through the organic acid profile, and
then they can run the mycotoxin screen at the
same time. So you pay a little more money, but
one urine sample can generate two reports.
And with that report, if your practitioner is
educated on this, they should be able to help you
come up with an appropriate plan to where you
may use binders…you may use glutathione to
push and mobilize the mold toxin, then you use
binders to grab onto it and pull it out through the
system. Then there’s other things we do too.
I’m oversimplifying it a little bit, but the reality is,
this could be the smoking gun. Here’s why. Mold is
an immune suppressant. This is the best analogy
I’ve come up with so far. Mold is the bad guy at
the back of the nightclub. He lets all the scrubs in.
So he opens up the door.
So you have strep. You have staph. You have
candida. You have parasites, worms, H. pylori.
These are all called opportunistic infections. The
opportunity arises for them to move in and take
you over, take you down, when you’re at your
weakest point.
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And if you’ve been living, working, breathing in
mold, you’ve had water leak in your basement,
you had a roof leaking, et cetera, this is easy, folks.
This is not a rare situation. This happens all the
time. Even in my house, brand new construction,
we had an issue. So it happens to all of us.
And when you breathe in those mycotoxins,
they get stored in the fat cells. They can cross
the blood brain barrier because mycotoxins are
50 times smaller than the mold spore. So these
are tiny, tiny toxins, okay? I mean, this is like an
invisible battle that you’re fighting.
So when mold weakens you and it lets all these
opportunistic infections in, if you go to the SIBO
doctor or the SIBO expert, they may be coming
and treating your gut, whether that’s rifaximin
or conventional antibiotics of any kind. Maybe
they’re doing Diflucan for the candida.
Or you go to a natural person, like me, more
functional person, and they may give you natural
ones. So natural antibiotics, natural antifungals.
Oregano. Clove. Berberine. Barberry. Grapefruit
seed extract. Magnesium caprylate. Monolaurin.
There’s a million different things we use in the
clinic to treat these bugs. But guess what? And I
found this by failing. That’s the best way to learn,
is to fail.
And I would see these cases where two to three
months in, everybody’s like, “I’m really happy.
My gut’s way better. Skin’s better. Hair’s better.”
And then more time passes, and they go, “Wait a
second. I’m going backwards.” So all those people
that had these recurring….because I was the
gut guy for basically a decade. And then all of a
sudden, these cases started to get more complex.
And I thought, well, why are these gut infections
returning?
We’re treating the gut to increase nutrient
absorption. We’re trying to kill bugs. We’re
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increasing acid and enzymes. But then now we’re
getting stuck. We’re spinning our wheels. And
then I started testing all these people for mold,
and I go, oh, crap. They all have mold. So now
we’re finding that we play whack-a-mole on the
front end. We’re knocking these bugs down to
improve digestion, improve nutrient density.
But we have to get that mold out the back door.
So that’s really the one-two punch that I think
it takes to resolve this issue. Now if you’re one
of the few lucky people and genetically you’re
detoxing mold well, your test comes clear, you’re
not showing any colonization--meaning you’re not
growing mold, that can happen too--well, good.
Maybe it’s as simple as fixing the gut bugs.
But I’m finding for the majority of people the
gut bugs are there because of something that
let them in. So a dental procedure. You had
antibiotics after a dental cleaning. Something like
that. So there’s usually a linchpin, so to speak, that
allows this to happen.
So people just need to do a good history on
themselves, and then hopefully your practitioner
does a good history on you, a good timeline. Like,
“okay, when did the hair become an issue?” “Oh. It
was at my last house.” “Okay. What happened at
your last house? Anything?” “Oh, yeah. We had a
leak in our basement.” “Interesting. How long did
you live there, and how long did it take to fix the
leak?”
“Oh, well, my husband fixed it. He put a fan
down there, and we dried it up. It was fine.” “Oh,
yeah. And you said you also gained 30 pounds
when you were living in that house too, right?”
Because we know mold can affect thyroid function
because of the nutrient absorption, the immune
suppression. So now we tie in the thyroid piece,
the weight gain piece. You see how this all fits
together?
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Julie: Right, and it’s interesting. Some people in
a moldy household, some family members are
fine, and then some just have a major problem,
like you were saying. So what do you typically do
to build up somebody’s immune system, besides
getting their gut health optimal so that they can
fend off the mold, the parasites, the candida, and
so forth?
Evan: Yeah. Well, some of it just happens
naturally as a byproduct of you removing the
toxin, right?
Julie: Sure.
Evan: I mean, if you want your foot to stop
hurting, get the nail out of your foot. So
sometimes it’s that simple.
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And you’ll see that on paper. When we do the
stool test, there’s a marker on the bottom that
it’s called secretory IgA. This is somewhat of a
first-line defense indicator of immunity. And we’ll
often see that number very, very chronically low in
people that have mold and gut infections. So we’ll
see that number rise on its own, even without me
coming in and giving specific immune support.
However, the probiotics that we use to help
work on glucuronidation…we might use calcium
D-glucarate to help with getting mold toxin out,
getting excess estrogens out. I’m likely using some
micronized chlorella to help detox chemicals,
metals, pesticides, mold toxin. We’re using
charcoal and clay and other binders to grab onto
the mold.
I told you we may be using any number of herbal
antimicrobials and antifungals to kill those gut
bugs. And the cool thing about plants and these
medicinal mushroom-type blends that we’re
using--it’s generally herbs and mushrooms--the
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cool thing is they have a dual purpose. So they
may be killing a pathogen or detoxing something,
but they also may be boosting the natural
immunity as well.
Now we may throw in specific things, like
astragalus or cryptolepis, Japanese knotweed.
There’s other things that I bring in that I may be
using for Lyme disease or bartonella or babesia.
These are other tick-borne infections that
can suppress the immune system and lead to
digestive problems, hair loss, many other issues.
Those herbs that we kill those infections with
also have some immune supportive properties
too. Like cordyceps mushroom. That’s pretty
beneficial. Reishi, or some pronounce it reishi.
But I call it reishi mushroom. That can be helpful.
You’ve got, of course, vitamin C. I mean, that’s a
potent immune support. So we’re using a couple
grams of vitamin C per day because most people
are chronically low when they have some sort of
toxin. They’re going to show low on that OAT test.
And some of it is treating the home. So if there
is an issue in the home…I have a whole line
of products called Oasis. So we have candles
that you can burn to denature mold. It’s like an
essential oils blend where you can eat the mold
and candida spores out of the air. So sometimes
we’re working on the home and the body at the
same time.
And then also making sure you’re treating the
sinuses too, because if there’s any chronic
infection in the sinuses, that’s how you got
exposed to mold in the first place. You were
breathing. It’s that simple. So people talk about
moldy coffee, moldy chocolate, moldy nuts and
seeds and grains. Sure, that’s important.
But in general, we feel that that is a--we, meaning
me and the lab and the other clinicians I’ve
talked with about this--we all feel that the food
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is probably a ten percent of the puzzle, meaning
your total toxicity load of mold. Ten percent could
be dietary. Ninety percent is likely inhalation
because you’re breathing an average of 20,000
breaths a day versus eating. Maybe you’re eating,
what, two to five times a day. So there’s much
more chance for that continual hit. Toxin, toxin,
toxin, every time you breathe.
And what’ll happen is you can start to become
colonized where you’re growing the mold in
your sinus cavity. That will keep you sick. That’s a
chronic infection that must be treated. So usually
we’re using herbal antifungals up the nose.
Because if you don’t fix that and you just treat the
gut, you’re likely not going to get yourself out of
this.
You’ve got to do both sinuses and gut, even if
you don’t have sinus symptoms. I did not have
sinus symptoms, but when I started spraying stuff
up my nose, my head began to get more clear,
indicating there was likely something there.
Julie: Sounds like you spend a lot of time on
the remove phase, as I do as well. I think it’s
the most important phase. You can’t just throw
supplements on somebody without removing the
toxins first.
Evan: Yeah.
Julie: And after you get through some of these
phases, on average, how long does it take for
somebody to, in this instance, grow back their
hair?
Evan: I would say, realistically, six months to a
year.
Julie: Sure.
Evan: What’ll happen is I’ll do the initial call.
Usually I like to have labs in hand by the first
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appointment with my clients, because the first
hour’s better bang for their buck if we can do the
intake, we can look at history, review labs, and
make a protocol on the same visit. So I try to have
an action packed hour.
And then I’ll do a follow up two to three months
later, another follow up another two to three
months later. Usually by that second follow up--
so we could be, I don’t know, six to eight months
in--the woman typically says, “Hey, I went to my
hairdresser.” And all of a sudden, they’re seeing
all this new stuff, these new baby hairs growing in.
We’re on to something. I’m like, cool. Let’s keep it
going, and then maybe we retest. We reevaluate
we tweak the protocol a bit.
But usually, it’s the hairdressers that give the
praise because the women may not be tracking
the back so much. They can’t see it, or maybe they
can’t feel it. So the hairdressers usually are our
boots on the ground that let us know how we’re
doing.
Julie: Well, besides hair loss, what are some other
potential long-term complications that arise if you
don’t address these issues?
Evan: Cancer’s the biggest one. Mycotoxins are
highly carcinogenic. So when I deal with primarily
women who say, “Hey, my hair is thin, or I’m losing
hair, and I want to lose 20 pounds,” it’s like I get
turned off by that. And I will redirect their wants
into their needs.
So let me explain. So Sally comes in. “Hey, I want
to lose 20 pounds, Evan, and my hair’s kind of
thin.” I’m like, “Okay, so you’re telling me there’s
some nutrient issues. There’s some kind of
malabsorption, a potential digestive piece.” And
then I probe them. And then you find out not only
is it about the hair and the weight, it’s they have
low self-esteem. They have anxiety. They have
depression. They have chronic fatigue. Their sleep
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is not very refreshing. They have zero sex drive, so
their husband’s ready to leave them.
And it’s just this big mess that you unpack. So on
the surface, it’s like hair and weight. And I’m like,
oh, how boring. Let me tell you about something
far more important than your hair and your
weight, which is, I don’t want you to get cancer.
And all these mycotoxins you have in you could
cause liver cancer, and then you’re really screwed.
And then if you go through chemo, you’re really
going to lose your hair. And then you’re really
going to be mad.
So I try to redirect them. You see what I’m saying?
I’m not saying hair loss isn’t important. I’m not
downplaying their issue at all. I’m just saying, look.
Let me show you that this is really just the tip of
the iceberg. And underneath it is the mood. It’s
the fatigue. It’s the issues with they can’t exercise
because they’re so exhausted. Every time they try
to work out they’re sore for two or three or four
days, trying to recover. So they’re trying to better
their health in other ways and they can’t make
progress. That hair loss is just an indicator that
something’s not right.
And then you’ll often see that there’s marital
stress here too. So I try to save marriages too. I
mean, I’ve saved many, actually, because what’ll
happen is I come in and say, “Hey, look at this
problem and that problem.” And the husband
says, “Oh, I don’t believe that. I’m fine. Why are
you sick, honey?” Like you’re just crazy. You need
a therapist or something. This mold, this little
mold in the basement, that didn’t do that to you,
honey. That’s not the reason you’re losing hair.
You’re losing hair because you’re getting old, or
whatever they heck they come up with.
So then I try to get the husband on the call too,
and say, “Look, man. This is why”…if you make it
about sex, I’m sorry, this is just the blunt truth.
“Hey, the reason why your wife doesn’t ever want
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to have sex with you, she has zero sex drive, you
know that, when you try to come onto her and
she shuts you down every time? Yeah, it’s because
she has mold. It’s affecting her hormones. It’s
affecting her blood flow. So her libido is crashed
out because you’re ignoring the mold in the
basement.” “Well, I’ll get right on it.” So then they
get motivated, as hedonistic creatures.
So I think it’s important for the couples to have
these blunt conversations with each other about
what’s going wrong and how the environment
could be shaping that because when you make
it about the environment in the house as a
contributing factor, usually they’re more willing to
fix it. But if it’s just about, hey, this random guy on
the internet told me to take this pill, usually that
creates more drama in the relationship.
So I try to bring everybody together. Sometimes
I’ve got the daughter, the mom, the grandma, all
on a three-way call, and I’m the director of the
family here. Like, “Hey, guys. We’ve really got to
fix Grandma’s house because daughter’s staying
over there all summer when she’s out of school,
and then she gets sick from it.” So I help manage
the family dynamic in some cases too. It’s a pretty
unique job.
Julie: Yeah. I like how you connect the dots. And
I do the same thing. I try to have all the family in
on all the calls because even something as little
as getting off gluten, but if someone else in the
family’s eating it, there’s cross-contamination and
you’re never going to resolve it. But if you explain
it to everybody, then there’s just a higher success
rate.
Evan: Yeah. We should talk about the nutrition
piece for a little while.
Julie: Okay. Let’s do it.
Evan: Well, obviously we covered the nutritional

deficiency part.
Julie: Sure.
Evan: And we glazed over it, but just to recap,
digestive infections are very common. So this is
an imbalance of good bacteria and bad bacteria.
Good bacteria help make B vitamins, for example.
So if you have enough beneficial microbes,
enough good guys in your gut, you should be
making your nutrients and vitamins literally
internally. It’s amazing. Our body can literally be a
vitamin factory if the digestive system is optimized
and working properly.
However, because of antibiotics in the food
supply, antibiotics from who knows what--
C-section, dental cleaning, et cetera--I mean,
everybody at some point’s taken antibiotics. That
can throw off the diversity in the gut. And then all
of a sudden, you’re not making those vitamins as
much.
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Now you compound that with a dysbiotic flora,
meaning you now have strep, staph, morganella,
pseudomonas, klebsiella, citrobacter, prevotella,
all these other bacteria that can move in. They
then steal nutrients from you. So even if you’re
taking digestive support, if you’re getting robbed
by these infections, they further the nutrient
deficiency. They’re furthering that problem,
therefore leading to the hair loss, the skin issues,
the sleep. So now we layer in the toxins, the
chemicals the pesticides, the mold.
And then we go to the nutrition piece, and
the lady has a bagel with cream cheese on it
for breakfast. It’s like that’s not going to cut it.
Vegetarians and vegans, I’ve seen, have a lot of
issues with hair. I would like to know your clinical
observation on this too.
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Julie: Absolutely. I don’t believe they get the
essential…well, they don’t get the branched-chain
amino acids that are so necessary for hair growth.
Evan: Now I have some friends that I try to
convert them and convince them that they
probably would benefit from some grass-fed
beef organs or maybe some pastured eggs, but
sometimes you have these almost cultish straight
vegans that you can’t…you just can’t convince
them.
Julie: Sure.
Evan: And if you are a vegan watching this,
don’t just get mad at me, because this gets like a
religion when you start talking nutrition like this.
So don’t turn this off just because you don’t like
what I’m saying.
Julie: Sure.
Evan: But I’m just going to tell you what I’ve
seen clinically. I have no dog in the fight, or
whatever that saying is, besides helping you get
better. And what I’ve found is, on paper, after
testing hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
of vegetarian vegans, many of them are ex-
vegetarians and vegans now because they have
started to reintroduce fish or eggs or some sort of
animal protein, my grass-fed organ capsules. They
don’t even know what it is. They’re just taking the
capsules and they’re getting better.
Then we look at the retest, and their levels have
come up. So are there some sexy vegans out
there with beautiful hair? Probably. Probably
so. Somehow they’re doing good. They’re
supplementing the right way and they can get
away with it. But just as a general rule, I find that
it’s a little more difficult to get the progress at
the rate of speed that someone that has some
animal-based or fish products in the diet does.
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So I’d say that on the gluten piece--you brought
up gluten--I would agree. I would say that I don’t
think it’s going to serve you. I would advise people
not to do gluten. Even if someone doesn’t have
celiac disease and they “feel fine” when they eat
gluten, well, the reality is, gluten contains various
proteins which can affect the permeability of the
gut.
So in particular, there is a protein called zonulin,
with a Z like zebra. And when you eat gluten--and
likely other cross-reactive foods, too, so potato,
chocolate--there’s several other. If you type in
“gluten cross-reactivity” you can read a list of this.
There’s a bunch. Don’t starve to death. Don’t freak
out. Just talk with your practitioner about this.
Some people need to be more strict than others.
But in general, gluten itself will then elevate
zonulin. And zonulin is like a zipper. So when
zonulin levels are high, it’ll literally unzip those
tight junctions in your gut barrier. Well, what does
that mean? Well, that means now that nutrient
absorption is poor because these tight junctions
have become permeable, and your absorption is
not happening anymore.
It’s like you’ve opened the gates to now these
gluten molecules are now getting into the blood
stream, which could then trigger an inflammatory
response in the body. You can measure this on
the stool test. There’s a marker called calprotectin.
So if we see high gut inflammation on the stool
test, if we test zonulin--I usually don’t because
it’s an extra cost--but if we see that, we see low
secretory IgA, we see high fecal fat, meaning
they’re not digesting their fats well, we see low
elastase, which is a pancreatic enzyme, we tie all
those together, and we blame the gluten. And we
say, look. This is why you’ve really got to cut it out.
I’m not the bad guy. I’m just the messenger boy.
Don’t kill the messenger boy.
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And sometimes this goes as far as the mother
getting gluten out of the house completely
because maybe she has children or teenagers and
she’s making food for them. So she doesn’t eat it
herself, but now she’s making sandwiches for her
children. Just topical contamination can happen
through the skin. How do we do bioidentical
hormones? In many cases, it’s on the skin. So your
skin can be absorbing the gluten molecule.
We had one woman out of Colorado who she had
major hair loss. She had fatigue. She had all sorts
of digestive complaints, anxiety, depression. She
was off gluten. But when we looked at her labs, it
looked like she was eating it like crazy. Turns out
it was just her making sandwiches for the kids for
school. So we said, “well, at least switch the kids
to gluten-free bread. It’s still processed. I don’t
recommend it. I recommend you cut bread out
completely, but if you can’t budge on that, at least
go gluten free.”
So then we retested. The antibody levels went
down. Inflammation went down. symptoms began
to improve. So sometimes you’ve got to get that
geeky. She’s like, “Well, can I wear gloves?” And I’m
like, “I wouldn’t. Just get it out of the house. It’s too
easy to switch.”
Julie: I agree with you so much. I mean, it’s
inflammatory to anybody. So getting her kids off
gluten is going to help her kids as well, and her
entire family. And I’ve been off gluten since 2003
when I had major hair loss before I got into this
industry.
That was part of the puzzle. I didn’t realize I had
such a problem with gluten. I became anemic.
I mean, it was literally falling out in handfuls. I
mean, there are other…I mean, H. pylori…I was
a hot mess. But definitely, gluten played a role.
And just in general, it’s inflammatory for anybody,
especially that…unlocks the key to the leaky gut.

Evan: So you had gut infections too?
Julie: Oh, yeah. I had H. pylori, celiac. I had, what
else, Epstein Barr virus.
Evan: And H. pylori is super contagious too, so
that’s another thing we haven’t mentioned. I’ve
alluded to it, but that will get the whole family
involved, meaning the spouse too. So H. pylori,
just the H. pylori one on one, it’s a very contagious
bacteria. About 51 percent of the world
population has it.
But it’s when it becomes too high it’s
opportunistic, like we talked about with the mold.
When this H. py level grows too high, it starts to
damage what are called the parietal cells. And
the parietal cells are what secrete stomach acid.
I have a little dummy in the closet I could have
whipped out and we could open up his stomach.
But the parietal cells become damaged, so now
you’re not making as much stomach acid.
Now this could be very easily passed between
couples. And this doesn’t have to be just intimate.
Kissing, obviously. Sharing cups, sharing spoons,
sharing your water bottles with your children. If
you’re sucking from a straw, you give it to your
kids. My daughter, my oldest, when she was two
she tested positive for H. pylori. We had some
digestive issues we were working on with her at
the time.
So I work with a ton of pediatrics too, and
H. pylori. And it’s many cases like that. “Hey,
Mommy, I need a drink of water.” And then you
could easily pass it to your children. So sometimes
we may be testing multiple family members to try
to get to the bottom of this because if we just fix
the wife and she’s not fully better, it could be that
the husband is the vector and he’s reinfecting her.
So in some people, it’s commensal, meaning this
bacteria causes no problem. But when it’s grown
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too high, then it starts to affect the digestive
health. H. pylori has also been linked to gastric
ulcers, esophageal cancer, gastric cancer, and
many other issues. So when you asked me
earlier what are the long-term issues of this, well,
cancer’s a big one. But obviously, it’s the mood
stuff. It’s the fatigue and all that, that leads up to
that.
Julie: Right. And also parasites could be passed
among family members too.
Evan: Yeah. Parasites can be contagious. I forget
the little…why am I forgetting it? The little guys
that come out of the butt. It’s nasty. What’s it
called? You’ve got to take the pyrantel for it. I’ve
got to look it up. That’s going to drive me crazy
because that’s super--
Julie: And just let me mention too that Dr. Tom
O’Bryan’s on this summit, and he showed before
and after pictures of a man that was…had a huge
bald spot with H. pylori. And then after he got rid
of his H. pylori, he shows the progression. Full
head of hair. It’s really a nice visual.
Evan: I believe you. Oh, it’s pinworms. That’s what
I was thinking of. Pinworms. Pinworms.
Julie: Okay.
Evan: So when your kids are little, you could do
the tape test. You put a little piece of tape on their
anus, and you’ll see these tiny little pinworms. So
pinworms are treated with pyrantel. Pyrantel is a
worm medication. It’s a class of drugs that treat
worms. It’s like a dewormer. They use it a lot on
horses, but they can also use it on humans.
So I see a lot of children that have pinworms
also, and we believe that could be a big factor.
Roundworm, also hookworm, those other worms,
especially kids that grow up on a farm or they’re
out in the dirt, raising chickens, that kind of stuff.

It’s amazing they should do it, but those pinworms
eggs, if they scratch their butt, you could get that
under the fingernails, and yeah, it’s a mess.
Julie: Absolutely. And let’s touch upon the
COVID shed just a little bit because 66 percent
of the people that were infected with COVID are
experiencing hair shedding, which is a little bit
different than hair loss or hair thinning, but it’s
a huge complaint. They are terming it chronic
telogen effluvium, which you can grow back.
It’s more of a stress-induced type of hair loss.
But what are you seeing in your patients in that
regard?
Evan: Yeah. I’m glad you brought that up. And
I thought you meant shedding as in the whole
injection shedding. That’s a whole nother can of
worms.
Julie: Okay.
Evan: But we’ll stick it to the viral piece, the post-
COVID long-haul type syndrome.
Julie: Sure.
Evan: And there’s a whole list of symptoms now.
People can read about this on the Frontline
COVID website, FLCCC. These are all the Frontline
doctors. I’ve talked with these guys, consulted
with them. I’ve had Dr. Pierre Kory. He’s amazing.
I’ve had him on my podcast to talk about this. And
there’s a whole list now.
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So hair loss is certainly one of the symptoms.
We’ve seen a lot of women come to me post
COVID, whether that was vaccine induced or
natural infection, and they say, “Hey, everything
got worse after COVID.” And some of that is
due to mast cell activation. Some of it’s related
to histamine. We do believe there’s a couple
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different things that go haywire with the immune
system.
But like all pathogens and toxins, we can work on
this and improve it. So in some cases, we’re using
ivermectin to work on binding to either the spike
protein from the injection or natural infection, if
it’s a long-haul case. And in that conglomerate of
symptoms, hair loss is usually the least concern,
meaning there’s usually more things like exercise
intolerance, shortness of breath, chest pain,
extreme brain fog, terrible anxiety or depression.
They’re out of it. They’re really spacy, and their
hair’s falling out.
So usually I try to prioritize, hey, what’s the biggest
symptom? Okay, you can’t even get off the couch.
Well, let’s get you off the couch first. Then we’re
going to work on this hair loss piece. But yeah, it’s
a real big problem.
Julie: And also, I mean, let’s roll it back because
a lot of people try to do all this on their own. Dr.
Google, Dr. Nutritionist. So what would you say
is the importance of working with a qualified
practitioner?
Evan: Well, you’re going to save time and money
in the long run. Yeah, you’ll spend some money
on labs and consults, but you’re not going to go to
Mount Everest and try to hike it yourself. You’re
going to die if you don’t have a guide to help you
and deal with the loss of oxygen up there in that
thin atmosphere. You really want a sherpa to help
show you the way, like this is the path. I’ve already
blazed this trail for you. You can follow this path
to success, and we could get you to the top of the
mountain, if that’s what you want.
So a practitioner who’s already done this a
thousand or two thousand times, they’ve already
blazed the trail. They know exactly how to get
you there. It may be a little different than Sally or
Johnny or Betty. There could be three different

avenues that all get you to the same finish line.
For this lady, it could be H. pylori and parasites.
For this lady, it could be all thyroid antibodies.
It’s all Hashimoto’s related. For this lady, it’s
hormones and mold toxicity. So if you have
someone who is a specialist but they’re also a
generalist, meaning they can look in all these
different avenues and departments that we
brought up today, that person, they’re worth the
money.
Julie: Right. And I think you’ll relate to this
because one of the whole purposes of this
summit is to just explain to people that hair
comes from the inside out, and we can fix it from
the inside out. Whereas the billion dollar hair
industry, they do just what conventional medicine
does.
They give you the quick fix, the fancy hair styles
and topicals and so forth to make it look better,
and even hair extensions, which are very, very
prevalent now, but it’s just covering it up. I mean,
men don’t really care. They just shave their head.
But at the end of the day, none of this gets to the
root cause.
Evan: Yeah.
Julie: And everything you explained today gets
to the root cause and just blows that door open.
Does this frustrate you or make you happy that
we’re having this discussion?
Evan: Well, you see that these topicals, they’ve
become really popular and trendy now. I mean,
back when I was a kid, Rogaine was all the rage.
You’d see these creams and stuff, and you’d
picture it as just something that these old guys
were doing. And now, I mean, I see guys in their
20s. There’s all these new online sites. There was
one called Keeps that got real popular. Have you
heard of Keeps?
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Julie: No.
Evan: I think it’s spelled K-E-E-P-Z. Let me see. Or
maybe it’s with an S. And this is not a shout-out at
all. This is just something I’ve seen. Yeah. Keeps.
K-E-E-P-S.com, like keep, as in keep your hair. And
they’re selling all these thickening shampoos and
thickening this. And then they have this topical
finasteride and minoxidil-type product. So it’s 40
bucks a month, and it just says “combines two
powerful hair-loss products in one complete
formula.”
And it talks about increasing blood flow to the
hair follicle. Talks about blocking the production
of DHT. So maybe I’m okay with that. I don’t know.
You might know more than me. I don’t know a
ton about those drugs, those medications, but I’m
seeing a lot of guys that are coming into me with a
lot of side effects from those.
Julie: Yes. The side effects with finasteride is they
lose their sex drive, and some of them don’t even
get it back.
Evan: That’s what I’m hearing. Yeah.
Julie: And then Rogaine, if you stop Rogaine, most
people don’t…they lose all the hair they grew.
Evan: Oh, God.
Julie: It’s a life-long sentence with Rogaine, really.
Evan: Is it really?
Julie: Yes.
Evan: Wow. Well, yeah. That’s what I’m seeing.
I’m seeing a lot of erectile dysfunction issues, just
completely dead sex drives. These guys that come
in and say, “Hey, everything was fine until I got on
this hair loss whatever, cream, topical, and now
I’ve got no sex drive. I’m exhausted.”
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Julie: Yeah.
Evan: Some of them talk about gaining belly fat.
Now it’s hard for me to blame it and say, “Oh,
well, it’s all that.” But I think it’s a piece of it. But
ultimately, like you said, we’re not looking at
what drove all this. So I can’t say I’m opposed to
those because I’m not a pharmacy guy. I don’t
know enough about those. If I was desperate and
miserable, would I try it? Maybe, but gosh. I would
certainly want to do a work-up on myself too, to
figure out what’s under the hood here. Because
it’s not a cream deficiency.
Julie: No. And that’s another reason…when I lost
all my hair, all the practitioners said there was
nothing I could do except put on these creams
or take these medications. And even that, they’re
saying it might not work. And I knew at the end
of the day that my body was out of balance. And
again, that’s another reason for the summit, just
to give people options and hope. But if they get
to the point where their scalp hair follicles scar
over because they wait too long, then it’s nearly
impossible to grow back your hair. Yeah.
Evan: Wow. Wow. Yeah. You asked was I
frustrated. Yeah, I’m always frustrated with the
conventional system, in every department. The
way they treat heart issues. The way they treat
brain issues, cognitive decline. The way they treat
blood pressure problems. The way they treat
anxiety and mood problems and fatigue. Yeah. I
mean, I’m frustrated with the whole system.
But when people tune in to this other way that
you and I are talking about and people really
vibe on that and they call me, like, “Hey, I’ve
listened to you talk about stuff like this for five
years. I’m totally in it, and I’m seeing progress,”
then it makes it all worth it. It’s like we can’t fix
everybody.
Julie: Right.
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Evan: I had a friend come over this morning that…
relatively new friend that I had met and wanted
to take him out on some bikes and go ride in the
forest together. It’s not even a sunny day, and the
guy gets out of the truck and starts spraying the
most toxic sunscreen on himself.
And I was like, do I even get into this today? And
I was like, you know what? I don’t even feel like it,
so I’m just going to let him live in his little world.
And I just told him, “hey, you don’t need that.
You’re not gonna get burned today.” And I just let
it go. So try to save people that are willing.
Julie: Sure. Sure.
Evan: So if you have family members that you
want to share this with, do it, but ultimately,
you’ve got to worry about yourself. You can’t try to
convert everybody. So I just do the best I can and
take care of my family and my kids and my wife.
And I try to put my little dent in this.
Julie: Well, you put a big dent, especially with your
podcasts. Thank you for sharing that education
with the world and just making people aware of
what functional medicine is, and that we really can
get to the root of it.
Evan: No, my pleasure. Yeah. And one last thing
here--
Julie: Sure.
Evan: --is what I’m seeing a lot of are conventional
medical doctors, MDs, that are now going
functional because they know that they could
potentially get out of their insurance practice.
They might be going to all-cash practices, et
cetera, but I’m seeing a lot of these guys that are
not practicing real functional medicine.
And what I mean by that is they may run a blood
panel that’s no more advanced than the typical

blood panel they ran as a family physician, and
now they’re running it with another patient that’s
cash, and they’re calling it functional medicine.
So you really need to vet these people and make
sure they know what the heck we’re talking
about today, these type of tests, these type of
biomarkers. Because if they don’t and they’re not
producing regular content, videos, podcasts, et
cetera, flexing their clinical muscle like you and I
are doing today, then I don’t think they’re suitable
for you. Because what I’m seeing now are these
practitioners that went to the medical doc that
turned functional.
And I look at this “functional work-up,” and
it’s garbage. They call themselves functional
medicine, and they didn’t even run thyroid
antibodies?
Julie: Well, they might have taken one class
and called themselves a functional medicine
practitioner.
Evan: Yeah. Right. So I just want to call that out
because that’s a part that’s getting frustrating
for my job too, is that I could be compared to
a functional MD. I’m not an MD, but I could be
compared to them, and they’re not running half
of what we’re running, and they’re not looking at a
fraction of what we’re looking at.
So just make sure you’re vetting these people.
And if you’re having to beg these practitioners to
run the testing that I’m describing today, they’re
not the right ones. You should not be asking your
practitioner for the labs. The practitioner should
be telling you what you need based on your
symptoms and issues.
Julie: Evan, you’re so right. And when I went to
the training, at least to the Institute of Functional
Medicine, we had these roundtables. And you
know that functional medicine is 80%, 90%
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But at these roundtables, these doctors are
just clueless. They just don’t have the education
through their medical school to even wrap their
arms around the fact that you can get to the root
of this through nutrients and…anyway, it was
interesting.
Evan: For sure. I know, I’m sure we could rant on
it all day, but the point is that I’m seeing people
that are now bringing labs to me, and it has a
doctor on the paperwork who ran it. And I’m like,
“Oh, what did Dr. So-and-So say about this?” “Oh,
well, they don’t know what to do with it. They
ordered it for me because I heard about it on a
podcast. I told them to order it and they ran it,
and now they don’t know what to do with it. And
now I’m here with you.”
I’m like, well, why’d they run it in the first place?
They just need to be upfront and tell them, “Hey,
I don’t know what to do with these, so I’m sorry.”
I’m trying to put my dent in the world with that
too, so I do have several different functional
medicine training courses.
I’ve got over a thousand students in my school.
We call it Functional Academy of Medicine and
Epigenetics. So that’s a school where regular
health-seeker folks and practitioners can take
it and they can enroll and learn how to run and
read these labs and interpret them the way I do to
make a protocol. Then I have a Confident Coach
program, which is specific to practitioners to help
them get into online practice if that’s what they
want to do. So I do have more course education if
people want to get geeky.
And then I do offer one-on-one consults, still do
clinic a few days a week. So evanbrand.com has
everything. The podcast is there. That’s all free.

There’s ten years’ worth of episodes there, so
if people want to learn more, that’s where they
could go.
Julie: Okay. Well, we’ll wrap it up with that.
Anywhere else they can find you?
Evan: I do a lot of these events, so I appreciate the
opportunity to be with you. This is great.
Julie: Okay.
Evan: I’ve probably done maybe 30 to 50 different
events across Health Means and some of the
other platforms for summits. So I love doing
this. I love trying to bring these ideas to a wider
audience because what I’m telling you is a little
less attractive than others.
And what I mean by that is I can’t just make it the
magnesium miracle. There’s a whole hour on just
how magnesium’s going to change your life. Sure,
I love magnesium, but it’s not that easy. So what
I’m selling you is this idea that, hey, really you’ve
got to probably fix 10 to 15 things here to fully fix
this issue. That’s a little less attractive.
Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe that’s more attractive.
But from the outside looking in, I’m like, oh, how
do I tell them we’ve got to fix their basement.
We’ve got to fix their gut. It’s a little harder than
just “here’s this magic pill.”
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Julie: Absolutely. Absolutely.
Evan: But it’s worth it. But it’s worth it in the long
run. This is so you could be a better wife, a better
mom, a better grandma. You’re better in every
way because when you’re fixing the hair, that’s the
clue that internally things are working better. So
this does pay dividends in other departments of
your life.
Julie: Right. Right. In my experience, when you
fix someone’s hair, you’re fixing everything
else. They’re losing weight. Their skin’s clearing
up. I mean, it all works together. It’s a holistic
approach. Yeah.
Evan: That’s right.
Julie: Well, anyway, thank you so much, Evan, for
being here today and sharing all your valuable
information and expertise.
Evan: Oh, my pleasure. Thanks for having me.
Take care.
Julie: All right. Well, don’t miss the other experts
on this summit, Healthy Body, Healthy Hair: The
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The Connection Between

Mast Cell Activation and
Hair Loss
Kelly McCann, MD, MPH&TM, ABOIM, AFMCP

Julie: Welcome, everybody, to the summit,
Healthy Body, Healthy Hair: The Truth About
Hair Loss. I’m your host, Julie Olson. Chronic
inflammation is a core root cause of hair loss. And
today, we’re going to discuss inflammatory mast
cell activation that is linked to hair loss. And who
better to discuss this than Dr. Kelly McCann, a
functional and integrative physician. and she was
also the host of Many Manifestations of Mast Cell
Activation Summit on this. Hi, Kelly. I’m so excited
you’re here.
Dr. McCann: Hi, Julie. Thank you so much for
inviting me.
grateful that I was able to study the things that
I was really interested in. So I went to University
of Arizona’s Center for Integrative Medicine
with Andrew Weil and studied there functional
medicine, environmental medicine. And this led
me to mold which led me to Lyme disease.
And then I started having all these patients
coming in who were very sick and very reactive.
Very inflammatory. And I discovered that they had
a condition called mast cell activation. Mast cell
activation has only been really written about in
the medical literature since 2007, 2008. So it is a
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Julie: Now, how did you decide to study Mast
Cell Activation Syndrome? Because it really isn’t
very common, yet like your summit says, it has
so many manifestations and can lead to so many
chronic illnesses. So why’d you decide to jump in
there?
Dr. McCann: Thank you for asking. That wasn’t
my purpose when I started. So I’m a medical
doctor. I was always interested in what we called
holistic medicine back in the day, in the nineties
when I went to medical school. And so I studied
acupuncture and healing touch and Reiki and
things like that, and knew that I wanted to do
something different.
As soon as I graduated from medical school, did
my residency training, and started a practice, I felt
But turns out 20% of the population have mast
cell activation syndrome, or there about. 17%.
So high percentage of people. And it turns out
that this condition is a multi-system, multi-
symptom inflammatory allergic condition. And
when I was doing research in preparation for our
conversation today, holy crap, mast cell activation
is involved in all different forms of hair loss.
Julie: Yes, it is very interesting, especially the
telogen effluvium that is connected with the
COVID shed that so many people are suffering
from. It’s more the stress-induced hair loss, but
the inflammatory component. So let’s go into
that. Let’s first start by explaining what Mast Cell
Activation Syndrome is for our listeners because a
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Dr. McCann: Sure. So mast cells are a part of
our immune system. And they are related to our
blood cells. So they’re born in the bone marrow.
They move after they’re born in the bone marrow
to our periphery. They are high concentration
in our skin, which is why it’s relevant to our
conversation today. They’re also in high
prevalence in our nervous system tissue. They
love our blood vessels. They line our respiratory
tract. Our gastrointestinal tract. They are in the
mucus membranes.
And their job is to protect us from foreign
invaders. So things like COVID, toxins, infections.
The food that we eat can trigger mast cells. And
what they do when they get triggered and pissed
off is that they release all of these chemical
messengers that we call mediators, many of which
are inflammatory in nature. And so it causes this
cascade of inflammation.
And it may not even be able to be tested through
normal means. So people feel inflamed. They go
to their doctors, they get a c-reactive protein or a
sed rate done, which are standard inflammatory
markers. And they say, “Well, you’re normal.” And
the patients say, “No, I’m not. I’m not normal at
all.” And because mast cells are everywhere in
the body, they can be triggered and you can get a
whole host of symptoms.
So usually it’s not just hair loss. It may be you
were an allergic kid, or you had eczema as a
kid, or asthma. Or maybe you have irritable
bowel symptoms or interstitial cystitis or
cardiac symptoms. Mood issues like anxiety
and depression. These can all be related to an
overactive mast cell syndrome that we call mast
cell activation.
And of course, it’s really important to say mast
cells are normal. We need them. But we need
them to react in a short-term issue and then calm
back down again. The problem happens when
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they get turned on and triggered and then they
can’t stop.
Julie: And it even lends its way towards
autoimmune disorders and even psychiatric
disorders that a lot of physicians are missing just
because they’re not trained on it. I know even
going through my certification as a functional
medicine practitioner, we weren’t taught that.
Dr. McCann: Right.
Julie: So let’s dive into more of how it affects hair.
There are the inflammatory mediators, but what
else did you find in your research that how it’s
linked to hair loss?
Dr. McCann: What I found is that fascinatingly,
it’s linked to all different kinds of hair loss. So
alopecia areata, which is traditionally thought to
be an autoimmune condition. In those patients,
they have higher levels of mast cells in the scalp
areas where they’ve lost hair. And those mast cells
are like around the follicles and around the blood
vessels.
And when they looked at people who had the
androgenic or male pattern baldness or in
females too, those people also had elevated levels
of mast cells compared to normal people who
didn’t have the hair loss. It seemed like it was
worse if people were older, like over 40, or if they
had more severe symptoms. So the worse the
symptoms, the older the person.
And this research was done pre-COVID. It was
really interesting stuff. They actually looked at and
figured out how stress causes hair loss too. And
so they did a study with some poor little rats. And
what they did, it turns out that there’s a brain hair
follicle axis, I don’t know if you’ve come across
that, with regard to stress.
So when the animals were stressed, they would
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present with hair loss. And how they stress them
is they put them in a little tube so they couldn’t
move. Poor things. It’s terrible what we do to
animals but it tells us a lot of information. So
when they would restrict their movement, restrain
them, they would have hair loss.
And so this was the model that they used. And
then they used what they call knockout mice. So
they weren’t rats. They’re mice. But they removed
the mast cells from this gene expression in these
mice and they put them in a restraint tube so they
couldn’t move. They didn’t have hair loss.
Julie: That’s interesting.
Dr. McCann: And then there was another
knockout mouse that they used that had
substance P, which is related to pain. Substance
P. And they used knockout mice who didn’t have
the receptor. So the substance P couldn’t activate
the mast cells. And those mice also did not get
hair loss when they were restrained. So the stress
response causes hair loss because it’s activating
the mast cells.
Julie: Interesting. Now, these mice that lost
the hair, did they lose it in alopecia areata. It’s
around little spots. That’s how that starts with that
autoimmune. Or was it just overall thinning hair
loss?
Dr. McCann: Good question. They didn’t
elaborate the pattern of hair loss but my
assumption is that it would be more akin to
the telogen effluvium, the stress response hair
loss that we get with COVID or with any sort of
stressors. That was what made sense to me.
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And they found that this substance P and its
receptor locally was also involved in things like
alopecia Ariana because there are increased
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cytokines that inhibit the hair growth. So all just
really fascinating and driven by these mast cells.
Julie: Interesting. And then also the telogen
effluvium puts you in the resting stage
prematurely.
Dr. McCann: Correct.
Julie: Like even with stress, but mast cells are,
it sounds like, compounding it because they
act as sort of stress but they also have those
inflammatory mediators that are released. The
cytokines, and the whole cascade of, I guess you
could call it even stress. How do you think that
mechanism works? I’m kind of guessing there.
Dr. McCann: So I think what happens is when
there is a stressor, whether that’s an infection
like COVID or an emotional stressor, and in the
mice they’re using restraint as the stressor in that
system, in the body of those mice, no matter what
the stressor is, what happens is that it increases
cortisol. It increases substance P which then
attaches to the NK1 receptor which then triggers
the mast cells.
The mast cells move into that area and they start
releasing their inflammatory mediators. And you
get increase of cytokines. We’ve heard about the
cytokine storm in COVID. So cytokines are those
inflammatory mediators IL-1 IL-6 six, and TNF
alpha. All of these mediators get upregulated in
the areas of the skin in those lucky people who
tend to have more mast cell activation.
And we can talk more about those lucky people.
That’s that 20% that I mentioned. So that’s kind
of the pathophysiology of what’s happening with
stress leading to increased mast cell activation.
Leading to increased inflammation. And that
leads to shifting the hair follicles into that telogen
state so it’s in the resting state and therefore not
growing.
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And then they kind of get stuck there for a
number of months. Some of the studies that
showed that people were getting hair loss
after COIVD, I don’t know if anybody’s really
talked about this in your summit, but that was
fascinating too. There was one Brazilian study
that they looked at 6,000 participants who had
had COVID. And let’s see. 86% reported at least
one post-COVID symptom. Nearly 50% of these
6,000 people had hair loss as one of their primary
symptoms.
And of those, it was often associated with people
who had worse symptoms during COVID like
fever, shortness of breath, muscle aches and
pains. And the majority of them were women. Not
surprising. In looking at different kinds of post-
COVID telogen effluvium rates when they were
looking at different studies, it varied a great deal.
Some of the studies showed about 25%, 28%
people post-COVID had hair loss. Some of the
studies showed as high as 66% of people had hair
loss. So it’s very, very common. And we know now
too that most of the people who do poorly with
COVID or get post-COVID, there’s a relationship
between mast cell activation and COVID.
And that makes sense because COVID is a foreign
invader, and the mast cells up-regulate to manage
COVID, turn on all those inflammatory cytokines,
and try and do their job, which is to protect us
from this foreign invader. But unfortunately, in
some people, it just goes crazy. And it causes this
ongoing inflammatory response that’s happening
that shifts your hair into that resting stage and
starts to fall out as well as having many other
impacts.
So again, a lot of the people who were
experiencing hair loss were also experiencing
neurological symptoms, brain fog, loss of sense
of taste and smell. That’s called anosmia in
medical terminology. So they would often have
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the anosmia and they’d have more allergy-type
symptoms, which again speaks to this mast cell
activation idea.
Julie: Now, I came across some of the same
research and my conclusion is I have been
quoting that 66% of people infected with COVID
are experiencing hair loss. And there’s a support
group online. Facebook support group. It’s private,
but it is. It’s mostly women. And you should see
the images. There are clumps and clumps of hair.
And these women, they are just clamoring for
natural solutions. None of them want to do what
I was told when I lost major hair. It was years
ago, way before COVID. Years and years ago.
And another reason for the summit is because
I was given no natural options. In fact, I was just
dismissed. And these women, they would love to
hear this information on the mast cell activation
because it makes so much sense and it’s not out
there.
Dr. McCann: No, it’s not out there. The good
news is there are tons of things for treating
mast cell activation some of which are available.
There are natural things. They’re even starting
to look at different kinds of pharmaceuticals
too but ones that are readily available to most
people like antihistamines. There is some medical
literature using topical Zyrtec for different forms
of alopecia, which I thought was fascinating. Like a
1% cream of Zyrtec.
Then they’re doing studies on it. Of course, you
would require a prescription from a medical
doctor or a naturopathic doctor who has
prescriptive privileges and a compounding
pharmacy to make it because I don’t think it’s
commercially available. But you could also
just try Zyrtec, so why not? So Zyrtec is a class
of medications called an antihistamine. It has
histamine-1 receptor blocker activity.
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Other medications in that same class include
Benadryl, Claritin, Allegra, Xyzal. Now, there’s
literature for Zyrtec. I don’t know about the other
ones. But depending on what kinds of symptoms
people have, that may be very effective and again,
readily available. It does seem that it takes time.
So you may have to do multiple things and kind of
see what works for you. But if somebody has a lot
of allergy symptoms or a lot of itching, there could
be indications to take antihistamines in addition
to the hair loss.
Julie: So, Kelly, how about taking a natural
antihistamine like DAO in a supplement form?
Would it have the same mechanisms as the Zyrtec
and some of the over-the-counter?
Dr. McCann: Possibly. Probably not the DAO.
And I can talk about the ones that do have
medical support for hair loss that are also mast
cell supplements. DAO is used as an enzyme to
break down histamine in the gastrointestinal
system. And it’s a great nutritional supplement
for patients who have histamine intolerance or
patients who have mast cell activation and have
difficulty either making that DAO enzyme and
breaking down histamine in their gut.
So people who do better on a low histamine diet
would probably benefit from DAO enzymes but
I don’t know if you’re going to get the positive
benefit for hair loss that you would for some
of the other symptoms. So if there were lots of
gastrointestinal symptoms or itching, those sorts
of things. The DAO enzymes can work really well.
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Quercetin may be one worth trying that has
a lot of benefits for mast cell activation. It’s
probably one of the most common well-known
nutraceuticals for mast cell activation. The nice
thing about Quercetin is it can be taken in a whole
variety of different doses. And so sometimes I’ll
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start people out at 250 milligrams. But you can
take up to upwards of 1000 milligrams four times
a day of Quercetin if you want.
There are some caveats like people who know
that they have COMT, COMT gene variants. You
don’t want to take super high doses because
Quercetin downregulates COMT. And if it’s already
compromised, you don’t want to take high doses
of that.
Luteolin is another one that has some literature
to support its use for mast cell activation. And
there’s a little bit of information about luteolin
and helping with hair loss. The nice thing about
Luteolin is that it crosses the blood-brain barrier.
So if people are also experiencing, post-COVID
brain fog, mood changes, kind of neurological
symptoms, potentially even that loss of taste and
smell, luteolin might be worth trying.
And there are some great products out there. Dr.
Theoharides is a mast cell master. He’s written a
lot of research papers and lectures extensively
on mast cell. He’s created a couple of products
that I use. It’s used in other products too. So
that is something to consider. Some of my
other favorites that have literature, one is
called Pycnogenol.
So Pycnogenol is French Marine pine bark. It’s
got so many great studies and so much benefit. I
just love it. And there’s a single study that shows
that it can be helpful for hair loss. How amazing
is that? So yeah, I love, Pycnogenol for so many
different things. It’s anti-inflammatory. It’s good
for cardiac health. It’s good for so many things.
Another one of my favorites for hair loss
specifically is scutellaria or baicalein which is
skullcap. I mean, there are other products out
there but Chinese skullcap, you want to make sure
it’s the scutellaria baicalensis because the other
skullcaps might not have that same benefit that
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the Chinese skullcap does. So many cool benefits.
I really love skullcap.
So, some of the more traditional mast cell things
and histamine intolerance things like DAO may
not be as helpful. But the way that I’m thinking
about it and the way that I’m reading the
literature, it seems that if we can decrease the
oxidative stress by using antioxidants. If we can
decrease the inflammatory response by using
the mast cell supplements that have mast cell
blocking effects. I think that we can reverse the
hair loss and help some of the other symptoms
that people are experiencing.
Julie: Great. Well, this is really fascinating and
I’m sure the listeners will probably want to listen
to that again. So again, you can purchase this
summit. And is there anything else you want to
add, Dr. Kelly, about this mast cell activation and
what people can do right now?
Dr. McCann: Sure. I think mast cell activation
is one of the most complicated conditions I’ve
ever had to treat. And if people get hair loss,
particularly after COVID, but after any sort
of stressor, what I found in treating mast cell
activation is, mast cell activation is the third leg on
a three-legged stool. And the other two legs are
our autonomic nervous system. This is the fight-
or-flight vagus nerve if you’ve heard about the
vagus nerve.
That one is super important because oftentimes
what happens is that our body goes into fight or
flight and we’re in sympathetic overdrive all the
time. We can’t shut off our minds. We can’t take a
deep breath. We’re very anxious. Maybe we don’t
sleep very well. And that’s all governed by the
vagus nerve.
And quite literally, when we’re in a situation where
our bodies are stressed out and we’re in fight or
flight or freeze, that’s another part of that stress
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response, right? When we’re in that, we literally
can’t heal. We really need to get ourselves into
what’s called parasympathetic. Stimulate the
vagus nerve. Calm everything down. Get out of
sympathetic or fight or flight in order to also calm
down our mast cells.
And so when I’m treating patients with MA
activation who might have a symptom of hair loss,
it’s not just about taking supplements. It’s also
about learning how to shift yourself out of that
the-world-is-not-safe way of being. So that’s vagus
nerve and autonomic nervous system. There are
exercises that people can do. Breathing exercises
that can be helpful.
There are different kinds of neurofeedback.
There’s something called BrainTap. There’s
something called Rezzimax. There are different
kinds of listening systems that can shift people
into that calm, parasympathetic, relaxed state.
And then the last part of the stool, my three-
legged stool, is really the brain and the limbic
system.
And so the limbic system is the part of the brain
that takes our experiences and turns them mental
into memories. And so this part of the brain gets
activated when we don’t feel well. And for the
people who have post-COVID symptoms including
hair loss, again, the body and the mind and the
nervous system, the immune system, they’re all
acting to protect you from the stress, from COVID,
from whatever toxic exposure you’ve had that
have triggered the hair loss. And so we have to
deal with that too.
And that’s a little harder. It really takes work on
your part to figure out, what are the things that
you’re telling yourself? Are you telling yourself that
you’re sick? That you’re never going to get better?
That it’s always going to be this way? Or are you
really envisioning that positive, healthy version of
yourself that you want to be with a beautiful head

of hair and everything working well and you living
your life to the fullest?
I think that paying attention to what this limbic
system is and how we envision ourselves in the
world, even when we’re not where we want to be
yet is really important for healing. So it’s not just
about taking supplements and hoping that that
makes things better. We’ve got to love our scalps
and love our hair, and nurture it back to health
too, in addition to doing all these other things.
Julie: What great tips. Wow. Amazing interview.
And where’s the best place for people to find you
and learn more about you and your offerings?
Dr. McCann: Thank you for asking. You can find
me in two places. I’m at drkellymccann.com. That’s
kind of my online business. I’ve got blogs there
and hopefully will be offering courses and then
eventually kind of group visits or group coaching.
And then you can also find me at thespringcenter.
com where I have my clinical practice in Southern
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California. Right now we’re not accepting new
patients, but we anticipate soon. Unfortunately,
I can only take patients who live in California at
this time but stay tuned and check back if you’re
interested in becoming a patient.
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Julie: Great. Well, thank you again, Dr. Kelly.
Really, really valuable information that, again,
it’s not known. It’s really something that people
should really listen to here. So, appreciate it.
Dr. McCann: Thank you so much again, Julie, for
inviting me. I’m happy to be here.
Julie: All right. And don’t forget to watch the other
expert interviews on this summit, Healthy Body,
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How to Remove Toxic

Heavy Metals to Combat
Hair Loss
Wendy Myers, ND

Julie: Welcome, everybody, to the summit Healthy
Body, Healthy Hair: The Truth About Hair Loss.
I’m your host, Julie Olson. Are you aware that
there’s a strong correlation between heavy metals
and hair loss? And who better to discuss how to
remove toxic metals to protect your health and
hair than Dr. Wendy Myers, who is a leading heavy
metal detox and bioenergetic expert, as well as a
number one bestselling author of Limitless Energy:
How to Detox Toxic Metals to End Exhaustion and
Chronic Fatigue.
Hi, Wendy. I’m so excited you’re here.
Dr. Myers: Yeah. Thanks so much for having me.
Julie: Now before we dive right into it, do you
want to discuss what heavy metals are? And
then we can discuss the top heavy metals that
affect hair loss the most, but just for some of our
listeners that aren’t familiar about toxic heavy
metals.
Dr. Myers: Yes. Yes. So heavy metals are things
like mercury, lead, arsenic, and cadmium and
other ones that are found in our air, food, and
water. They’re being mined and they’re used in
various products. If you look on your desk or your
room there’s all kinds of products with metals in
them. So in the industrial manufacturing process,
in coal burning, in the burning of the gasoline
in our cars and whatnot, it just releases a lot of
different heavy metals into our environment.
Our number one way we get toxins in us is in
our food. And next, it’s the air that we breathe.
And then the water that we’re drinking and
showering in. So we just are constantly exposed
to heavy metals, and various other environmental
chemicals as well. But there’s dozens of heavy
metals, and they definitely play a big role in hair
loss.
Julie: And are the top four mercury, cadmium,
arsenic, and lead, as far as the top four heavy
metals that cause hair loss?
Dr. Myers: Yeah. So arsenic causes hair loss,
for sure. Thallium is another one. It’s naturally
occurring in petroleum products. Mercury, for
sure. Copper as well, and uranium and cadmium.
So those all can cause hair loss. But essentially
what they do, what heavy metals do, is they
poison proteins.
So the keratin in your hair, it’s a structural
protein that provides strength to your hair and
to your nails. So heavy metals weaken the bonds
of keratin, resulting in abnormal development
of the hair shaft. And that can cause breakage
in different…cause it to be more sensitive to
breakage.
But then heavy metals also do things where they
can enter…they can poison hormones as well. And
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can also have hair loss. And then we have things
like alopecia, which is an autoimmune condition.
Heavy metals play a huge role in poisoning
the immune system, especially the mercury,
cadmium, and arsenic and lead. Those play a big
role in throwing a wrench into immune system
functioning. And nickel also could be a catalyst for
autoimmune conditions as well.
So all of those metals can be things that can be an
underlying root cause or a catalyst for alopecia.
There’s also something called telogen effluvium,
which is a type of hair loss disorder tied to our
stress response. And heavy metals can also
contribute to that health issue as well.
Julie: Wow. And heavy metals are a lot more
prevalent and common in the modern-day age
than people realize. And for our listeners, again,
that aren’t so familiar with this, they might have a
toxic metal overload and not even know it, right?
So what’s the best way to find out? Besides hair
loss, what are some other symptoms of having
too high a level of certain toxic metals?
Dr. Myers: Yeah. So hair loss is one sign. And then
fatigue is the most notable sign of heavy metal
toxicity because heavy metals play a big role in
poisoning our mitochondria energy production.
Then you can have things like brain fog. You can
have things like problems sleeping. You can have
hormonal issues, hormonal imbalances.
You can have weight gain because toxins are…
the body stores these toxins away from our
vital organs. It’ll store it in fat. A lot of these
environmental toxins are fat soluble. Or the
metals like lead, mercury, aluminum, will be
stored in our bones as well. And then we can have
different metals stored in the fat in our brain and
our nervous system as well. But they can also be
stored in different organs. So they effect all of our
organ functioning.
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Heavy metals play a big role in poor blood sugar
control. Arsenic and other metals are the number
one cause of diabetes. All of our chronic health
conditions can be tied to heavy metals as well
as…like 19 percent of strokes have lead as an
underlying root cause of them.
So I can go on and on and on with those kind of
statistics. I mean, really, any type of symptom
people have, heavy metals and toxins can
contribute to that symptom. But those are some
of the top ones off the top of my head that are a
sign you have heavy metal toxicity.
Julie: That’s pretty scary, and the fact that they are
stored in the fatty tissue. As far as detoxing them,
wouldn’t the first step be to get rid of--safely--if
you have mercury in your mouth? That’s the low-
hanging fruit? Or are there other ways that you go
about it?
Dr. Myers: Yeah. Well, it just depends. I mean,
I’m definitely a fan of removing mercury fillings
because they’re not doing you any favors for your
health. And most of us have them or have had
them in the past. And fortunately, they’re being
phased out. But it depends on people’s health
condition.
I mean, if people are very, very ill or they have
multiple health issues, I don’t always recommend
removing them because it can make people’s
health worse. Removing all that mercury, even if
it’s done properly, you still get some mercury in
your system. And for some people, that can be
the straw that broke the camel’s back. So I don’t
always advise that.
But there’s lots of things people can do, no matter
what their health condition, to remove heavy
metals. So you can take supplements like binders,
the things that very gently will bind onto heavy
metals and remove them from your body, like
charcoals or citrus pectins. Or zeolites are really

nice. Chlorella is another thing that you can take
as well. It’s more weak, but it’s natural and it gives
you lots of nutrition as well.
People can do infrared saunas. Those are
absolutely amazing for sweating out toxins. And
then ionic footbaths are amazing, especially if
people are heat intolerant or they’re very ill or
elderly or very, very young, before the age of
seven. That group usually can’t use an infrared
sauna. So doing an ionic footbath is a great thing
for them.
Julie: Interesting. I’ve done some of those, and
it’s crazy, all the toxins you see in the water. I
thought maybe it was because the footbath used
was copper. So I said can you use a different bowl
next time, not use copper there next time. And
the same thing. It was just full of just slimy, greasy
toxins. So that really is interesting because I know
there is controversy about those footbaths, but
it’s interesting to hear from you as an expert that
they really are effective.
Dr. Myers: No, they are. It depends on the type
of footbath, though. I only recommend the
IonCleanse by A Major Difference because it’s a
medical grade.
Julie: Okay.
Dr. Myers: And it’s a lot stronger than other ones
on the market. More expensive too, but you get
what you pay for. So they’re not all created equal.
And you don’t only get toxins in the water, but you
also get an increased urinary and stool output and
other excretory methods. You get an increased
output of heavy metals and toxins a few days
after doing the footbath. So it’s not just what’s
coming in the water.
I’ve seen incredible results with footbaths, not
only with myself, but with other people as well.
Even have a friend of mine who’s a cancer doctor,
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and he had never done any kind of detox before.
And he said within just a few weeks, he lost ten
pounds. He had all these different dark moles
and dark raised areas on his skin, all of which
disappeared within just a few weeks of using the
footbath because his body just finally had an exit
for all these different toxins that he was storing in
his skin and in his fat cells as well.
So yeah, I love the ionic footbaths. And they
have incredible studies as well, that show
improvements in a lot of different groups of
children, autistic children. So yeah, there’s a lot
of evidence that the ionic footbaths work really,
really well.
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Julie: Excellent. And how else do you recommend
people detox, and what foods to stay away from,
as far as…for instance, rice is high in arsenic, per
se. But I know these are two very broad questions
I just asked you.
Dr. Myers: Yes.
Julie: So if you want to just break it down?
Dr. Myers: Yes. Well, here’s the thing. I’m not a
big fan of avoiding any one food or food group
because unfortunately, in today’s reality, all of
our food has some toxin in it. Even organic food.
So organic food means chemical free, not heavy
metal free.
So it may not have pesticides in it…but it still
can, actually, because if an organic farm is
next to a conventional farm, it can get sprayed
with glyphosate, or just the wind can carry the
pesticides and insecticides over. So there’s a small
percentage of contamination of organic foods.
The root vegetables can absorb lead and other
metals and arsenic from the soil, if at one point
there was ever a lead or arsenic or fluoride-based

pesticide that was used, even if it had been 30
years ago.
And there’s other different heavy metals in the
soils. Heavy metals can come from the water
that the vegetables are being watered with. It
can come from the fertilizers. A lot of the NPK
chemical fertilizers have cadmium in them. So
there’s just a lot of different sources of metals in
our food. And it doesn’t matter whether it’s meat
or whether it’s fish or whether it’s vegetables or
whatever. Dairy. All of it can have some sort of
contamination.
So we want to avoid the most obvious sources
of contamination. Non-organic food. Large,
migratory fish like tuna, especially the ahi-grade
tuna for sushi. We want to avoid other large
migratory fish as well. But a lot of other foods, it’s
just a matter of trying to eat as clean as you can.
Eat organic.
And certainly with chickens and arsenic, you
want to avoid the conventional chickens, the
conventional eggs, because they are…the chicken
feed has arsenic in it. So you’re going to get
arsenic if you’re eating conventional chickens,
conventional eggs. But arsenic can also be
in a range of pesticides and herbicides and
insecticides. It can be found in a lot of drinking
water. And arsenic is specifically associated with
the hair loss, and the eyebrows and eyelashes,
which is kind of interesting.
Julie: That is interesting. What’s the best way
for someone to start the process? I mean, if
they’re embedded in our fat cells and someone is
already quite sick, say they’re losing hair like crazy
anyway, what are some of the preliminary things
you have people do besides the footbath, and you
mentioned the sauna. And you mentioned some
supplements. But anything else besides that?
Dr. Myers: Well, I’d recommend doing testing to
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find out what metals you have because there’s
specific supplements or nutrients that will remove
specific metals that you have. So that can be a
much more sniper approach to supplementation
versus just a shotgun approach and just throwing
everything in the kitchen sink at the problem. So
you really want to know what you’re dealing with.
So doing a hair mineral analysis, or an HTMA, is
really a great way to figure out what metals you
have, what mineral deficiencies that you have
as well, which are really important to mineralize
your body as well, for health and for your hair as
well. And then when you find out what metals you
have, then you can have more of a customized
approach to your detoxification.
So you know exactly what supplements you need
to take, if you work with a practitioner that knows
all the different supplements you need, if you
have arsenic, if you have thallium, if you have
uranium. These are all very different metals that
have different methods of removing them. But
starting, testing not guessing, is really the best
place to start.
Julie: And besides those tests you just mentioned,
do you also believe in doing just blood tests, say,
looking at mercury through the conventional
lab, such as Lab Corp or something, but looking
at them in functional ranges instead of just
conventional ranges?
Dr. Myers: Yeah. So I don’t believe in blood
testing, except for lead because the problem in
the blood is the body’s not going to allow metals
to just float around in the blood. It’s going to
sequester them away where they’re safely away
from our vital organs. So unless you’ve had a
recent acute exposure, you’re typically going to
get a false negative with a blood test. But lead
is fairly accurate. I think we’re very consistently
exposed to lead. So with lead, you can do a blood
test for that.

But I like the hair because it gives a three-month
average of the tissue levels of metals, which is
going to be much more accurate than even, say, a
urine test, which is a 24-hour urinary output. But
again, there’s no perfect metals test because we
can only really see what your body’s excreting at
that time.
So the hair, at least it’s three months of what
your body’s excreting. You take about an inch of
hair or 2.5 centimeters from the scalp. The hair
is very biologically active at the scalp, and we
can see what’s being excreted into the hair. But
some metals come out in the hair. Some metals
we see them best in the urine. Some metals, like
cadmium, we see best in the stool.
And there is one blood test that’s done by
Quicksilver Scientific that I do recommend that’s
a very different type of blood test than the test
done at your conventional doctor. And usually at
your doctor you’re only testing for four metals,
but there’s dozens of metals. So it’s much more
efficient and much more…using more information
to do different types of testing than the blood
testing.
Julie: That’s why it’s often missed, is because it’s
not tested the way you just explained. And it’s
interesting. I don’t know if you heard the story
about Tony Robbins, who was just feeling horrific
and he went to a bazillion doctors and finally,
he went to somebody like you, a naturopathic
doctor, who tested him for mercury, and it was
skyrocketed.
It’s just really, really important, whether you’re
losing your hair or not, just to dig into that
because, like you were saying, it’s just so prevalent
in our society today. Whether it’s manifesting,
again, in your hair loss or the other symptoms you
explained, it’s a rock that needs to be overturned.
Dr. Myers: Yes. Yeah, everyone has heavy
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metals. There’s no exception. It’s absolutely
impossible to be living on this planet and not have
heavy metals in your system, unless by chance
you’re an incredible detoxer. With anything in
life, there’s a bell curve. So there’s people that
detox unbelievably. Those are the people, that’s
Grandpa that was drinking and smoking until he
was 100. He can just detox this stuff out, so he
could do whatever he wanted. It’s probably not
you.
But other people on the other end of the bell
curve are chronic fatigue, multiple health issues,
chemical sensitivity, lots of food sensitivities. They
can barely function, maybe can’t work. Those
people, they have a very poor ability to detox.
So all the metals and chemicals have built up
and thrown a wrench into their metabolism in a
number of different ways. But it’s interesting.
I actually had a lot of uranium toxicity from living
in Southern California. In Southern California,
in the southwest United States, there’s a lot of
uranium in the water. Even though I was drinking
spring water, I was showering in the regular water,
and I had gotten a ton of uranium because it’s just
in the water table there.
And at one point on my detox program…I had a
little bit of uranium on every hair test. And then
one time, I had this huge amount of uranium. I
was dumping it. And I lost about a fifth of my hair
from my head. And I have very thick hair. It was
really noticeable. So as this stuff was coming out
of me, I had a marked hair loss. And of course, it
all grew back, but it was really alarming to me.
But when I did a hair test, I understood why
because I knew uranium is responsible for hair
loss. And it was just really eye opening for me.
And I think a lot of people listening would be
surprised at how much thallium or the arsenic
or the cadmium or mercury or uranium or other
metals, like cadmium, could be promoting their

hair loss in various direct and indirect ways. So
it’s really worth checking out and going down
that avenue just to rule out that as a possible
underlying root cause of your hair loss.
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Julie: And also, when you talk about testing, does
it help to provoke it, say, take some apple citrus
pectin before you test to help provoke it, get it
more in your…out of your system so that it shows
up more on the labs or not? Or how do you feel
about that? I know there’s two different thoughts
on that as well.
Dr. Myers: Well, the citrus pectin isn’t going to
provoke it. It’s actually going to absorb it to where
we won’t see it on tests.
Julie: Okay.
Dr. Myers: And I’ve definitely seen that happen
before.
Julie: Okay.
Dr. Myers: I’m not a huge fan of provocation
using various…like DMSA or EDTA because if you
do a provocation, you’re always going to get heavy
metals coming out. And I want to see what the
body’s releasing on its own when I do a heavy
metals test, when I do a urine test. So with stool,
you don’t have to do provocation.
And for some people, especially if they’re very ill,
they can’t tolerate provocation. It can make them
pretty ill or have an intensification of the very
symptoms they’re trying to get rid of. So I’m just
not the biggest fan of provocation. I don’t think it’s
really warranted.
Julie: Interesting. And DMSA, let’s talk about that.
Dr. Myers: Yes. Well, I’m not a huge fan of DMSA
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either, just for detoxification. I mean, there’s some
people that are a candidate for it. Maybe they
could do a low dose, like 250 milligrams once a
week or something like that. But again, you need
to know what metals you have because DMSA
doesn’t remove every metal. So there’s no one
thing that you can take.
But everyone, I think, across the board can take a
citrus pectin to detox heavy metals and to remove
them from the body. That’s a catch-all mitt that’s
going to absorb different metals and chemicals
like a sponge, and it’s very gentle. So that’s great
to take.
Charcoal, you can’t take that every day. It’s
too harsh. You could take it once or twice a
week, something like that, or when you have
an exposure, like you’re drinking alcohol or
you’ve eaten a meal at a fast-food restaurant or
something. Yeah, you could take some charcoal
and absorb all the toxins from that.
But yeah, just taking DMSA just to try to do a
detox without doing any kind of testing I think is…
it’s just overkill. And it’s not necessarily going to
get you where you want to go because you need
to know what metals you have so you know what
nutrients and supplements you need to take to
remove them.
Julie: I’m glad to hear that because…I mean, I
know it’s basically thought of as a controlled
substance. It’s not sold in a lot of health food
stores as it is because…probably because of what
you just said.
Dr. Myers: Yeah. You have to get it by prescription
because the stuff that’s sold online doesn’t work.
Julie: Right.
Dr. Myers: It’s not strong enough. You have to get
a prescription by a doctor.
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Julie: Right. And it sounds like a lot of the detoxing
is similar to detoxing for mold, and some of the
substances you recommend for binding to the
heavy metals can also bind to the mold. Chlorella
and some of the clays. Yeah.
Dr. Myers: Yeah. I’m not a mold expert, so I really
can’t speak to that.
Julie: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, how about some of
your top favorite foods for healthy hair?
Dr. Myers: Yeah. I can talk about foods for detox
that are great.
Julie: Yeah.
Dr. Myers: So the top five foods for detox, so that
would be…so the top five foods for detox would
be broccoli sprouts. So you can grow those and
you can buy them at a grocery store. Ginger is
amazing. Using ginger in stir fries and juices and
things like that. Onions are amazing. Garlic.
And then egg yolks is kind of interesting. Egg
yolks are very nutrient dense. Make sure they’re
runny and the eggs are either very lightly cooked
or just runny. You can even put raw egg yolks in
smoothies or whatever. But yeah, those are the
top five detox foods. Turmeric is also great as
well. So you just use those in cooking as much as
possible.
But for hair, silica is super, super important.
There’s silica in some foods. It’s what makes
foods shiny, when you have a shiny bell pepper
or a shiny Swiss chard leaf or whatever. That’s
the silica in them. But when you eat those foods,
it can be not very absorbable. It can be hard to
assimilate that silica.
So if you want to have really strong, healthy
hair--hair, skin, nails, and bones--I recommend
supplementing with silica. And there’s a specific
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form called orthosilicic acid, or OSA. And that
has about a 17 percent absorption or availability
percentage, whereas in foods it’s 3 percent. Or
bamboo silica is three percent. Or horsetail, it’s
very, very low absorption rate. So you want to
avoid those cheaper forms of silica and you want
to go with the OSA.
And it also has the side benefit of binding onto
heavy metals like arsenic, aluminum and tin,
thallium, and cesium. Thallium and arsenic are
one of those culprits in hair loss. You have a
double benefit there.
And I developed a product, actually, called Ageless
AF. And it has this specific form of silica in it. It
also has biotin and hyaluronic acid and selenium
as well, which is really important for your thyroid.
If your thyroid’s not functioning, you can have
hair loss as well. Most people are deficient in
selenium. So I just formulated this to cover a lot
of different bases. But most notably, the silica’s
really important for the health of your hair to
make it shiny and healthy.
And it’s something that a lot of people aren’t
getting enough of in their diet because a lot of
people aren’t eating enough vegetables, or a lot
of people aren’t absorbing the nutrients that they
eat. So many people have digestive issues, trouble
absorbing nutrients, malabsorption, leaky gut.
There’s a lot of things working against our gut
today, namely all the glyphosate in the food has
just destroyed and decimated our gut microbiome
and promotes leaky gut and different issues in
our body. So I think even if people are eating an
amazing diet, it doesn’t matter what you eat or
supplement with. It only matters what you absorb.
So I think a lot of people just, even if they’re eating
vegetables, they’re not getting everything that
they need from that nutrition.
Julie: I’m so glad you said that. I hound that over
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and over again. It’s not what you eat. It’s what you
absorb. And like you, I see it all the time. These
women come to me and they’re eating healthy,
but once you start digging down into their
functional labs, you can see they’re not absorbing
even protein and healthy fats, which are vital for
hair as well.
Also, Jeffrey Smith is one of the speakers on this
summit, and he went into depth about how the
pesticides and so forth are just destroying our
microbiome. It’s interesting. There’s a lot to be
taken into consideration, not only for our hair
health, but just our health in general. I mean, back
to what we talked about in the beginning, when
your hair is falling out or you’re having hair issues,
it’s merely a symptom, a sign, that something else
is out of balance in your body.
But toxic metals is just so important, I think, for
everyone to take a look at because again, as you
explained, they’re just so prevalent today. And
once you get them in your body, unless you do
something about it, they, as you explained, they’re
just burrowed into your fat cells. Even someone
like ourselves that don’t have a lot of fat, we still
can get those in there, right? And they can wreak
havoc on our health.
Dr. Myers: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, no one’s an
exception. Like I said, I have tested thousands
and thousands of people for heavy metals.
Everyone has heavy metals. It’s just the reality of
our modern life today. And I assure you, these
are wreaking havoc on your metabolism, on
your weight, on your blood sugar control, on
your ability to absorb nutrients, on your immune
system, on your brain function.
I mean, you name it. These metals poison
enzymes. They poison proteins. And they cause
them to not work properly. They’re causing high
cholesterol. They’re causing protein misfolding
that causes all kinds of issues in your body. So
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when you remove these roadblocks, I mean, it’s
very anti-aging because these metals cause a
lot of oxidative stress. They damage DNA. They
damage cell membranes.
They use up all of your antioxidants of your body
trying to get rid of all these metals and chemicals.
And I’m telling you, they age you so quickly. And
removing them is such an amazing anti-aging
process for your skin, for your hair, for your nails,
for just the glow in your eye. You just have more
of a healthy glow when you are detoxed. And this
is an ongoing process, but you can do an intensive
period of detoxification.
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But we’re exposed to these metals and toxins in
our beauty care products and air, food, and water
every single day. So detoxing is more of a lifestyle.
It’s not something that you do just for a month or
two months. It takes about two to three years to
remove all the heavy metals and toxins you have
in your body.
So it’s one of those things where if you’re…I’m
50 years old, but if you’re 50 or 60, think about
it. You’ve been accumulating this stuff since you
were born. It’s not coming out in three months.
It’s just not reality. So for me, I just try to give
people realistic expectations.
And detox is a lifestyle. So doing infrared saunas,
ionic footbaths, coffee enemas or other types of
liver support, taking nutrients that help to remove
metals, and doing testing to see your progress
and see what toxins are coming out of you, see
if what you’re doing is working, is a great way to
keep track of what you’re doing. So it’s something
that I highly recommend to everyone.
Julie: Absolutely. And did you have an issue with,
you think, heavy metals, before you got into this
field? Being you’re a top expert here, is it because

you had a personal experience with it?
Dr. Myers: Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I mean, when
I was 21 I had all my mercury fillings removed
just with a conventional dentist. I had depression
throughout my 20s, I feel, as a result of that. After
I had my baby, I had…I just didn’t recover and I
had…I went and got tested. I had the hormone
levels of a menopausal woman at 37. I had low
thyroid function. I had really low stress hormones.
And heavy metals play a huge role, especially
mercury, in depressing thyroid function, in
depressing your sex hormones, your estrogen,
testosterone. So for me, that hit home where
I had to figure out what I needed to do for my
health because the doctor just said, “Hey, take all
these hormones.” And I thought, I’m 37. I don’t
want to go on hormone replacement therapy for
the rest of my life at 37. It just didn’t make sense
to me.
So I went on Dr. Google and started searching
what causes low hormones, and I hit upon hair
mineral analysis. I hit the jackpot right away. I
think there was a reason for that because once I
started reading about…I did my own hair test and
discovered that I had really high mercury. I had
really high arsenic. I loved el pollo loco. I thought
that was my health food back in the day, the
chicken, rice and beans. Full of arsenic.
So I had tons of arsenic, and I had lots of uranium.
I had thallium. I had cesium. I had nickel. I had
aluminum. I had lots of metals. And I had lived
an incredibly healthy lifestyle. So when I’d read
articles about Flint, Michigan, or mercury, about
this and that, I just didn’t think it applied to me.
And I think that’s a very common mistake. I mean,
people just don’t really know about it.
I was a big health enthusiast, and I didn’t really…it
just wasn’t on my radar. I thought that was other
people. Even though I’d played with mercury and
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a broken thermometer, I was playing with the
mercury when I was a little kid, and I ate tons of
sushi and things like that, but I still just…it wasn’t
on my radar.
So for me, it just really got me going and I started
detoxing. And I started feeling a lot better.
Started seeing a lot of my little issues and big
issues slowly but surely start to disappear. And I
just continued this momentum of improving my
health through detoxification.
Now I focus a lot on bioenergetics as well, and
other ways to improve the body’s functioning
to facilitate detoxification. So just to know, we
have a lot of stuff we’re doing at Myers Detox
to help people improve their lives. But mainly, I
know one of the biggest roadblocks to people not
achieving the health that they want or accelerated
aging, they need to be focusing on detoxification
because that’s going to remove a lot of the
symptoms that they have.
Julie: For sure. Can you explain to the audience
how proper methylation plays a role in proper
detoxification, which is tricky for a lot of people to
really understand?
Dr. Myers: Yes. Well, methylation just relates to
how we attach things to heavy metals to remove
them out of the body. So some people genetically
just don’t do that very well. So there’s a number of
genes, like MTHFR and other P450 genes that are
responsible for liver detoxification.
And some people just don’t have good genetics.
So they don’t detox very well. And these are the
people that tend to be more ill than other people.
They have less ability to detox the toxins that are
coming into their body. They go in. They don’t go
out. They’re like the roach motel.
So unfortunately, those people have more
challenges detoxing. It’s not impossible. But

the more ill you are, I think it’s more important
to work with a practitioner that’s an expert in
detoxification and knowing how to do this stuff.
And usually if someone is more ill, if they have
compromised genetics, I will usually recommend
people do a bioenergetic program called NES
Health, N-E-S Health. And that will help to improve
epigenetic expression to where it improves their
detox ability.
It removes different roadblocks in the body
like emotional trauma, energetic blocks in the
meridians of the chakras or in different organs,
and it just generally reduces stress, improves
energy, improves sleep, improves nutrient
absorption, improves immunity, and starts getting
the person in better health so that they’re more
able to detox.
Because if you’re super sick, the last thing you
want to do is start mobilizing a bunch of mercury
and lead and have that float around, and then you
just don’t have the energy or the capacity to deal
with that. So it’s much smarter, I think, to work
on a bioenergetic approach to begin with, for
children or for people that are very ill, or anyone
just looking to generally improve their health.
I love NES Health, N-E-S Health Bioenergetics, to
do that, to accomplish that goal. And then people
will be able to detox better and won’t have as
many symptoms. So anyone that tried detox
programs and you really did not feel well, that’s
a sign that you’re just not ready to do that. So
doing the NES Health Bioenergetics is a better
place to begin for those people who have trouble
detoxing, or have compromised genetics.
Julie: Well, and also, doesn’t the Herxheimer
reaction play a role in that, when people, they call
them herxing because they’re detoxing probably
too quickly than they should, so they feel worse
before they feel better?
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Dr. Myers: Yes, well, you don’t really have to
suffer when you’re detoxing. I mean, people can
have a day or two of a reaction, like they can have
a headache or nausea or fatigue or brain fog or
something like that. But there’s a lot of things that
you can do to avoid those types of symptoms,
like taking binders, like doing coffee enemas, like
drinking more water.
Or, if you have done your homework and done
a bioenergetic program for a few months before
trying to detox, those people are going to have
less detox reactions. Everyone is different.
There’s a lot of different strategies to avoid detox
symptoms. You don’t always have horrible detox
symptoms. So there’s just different strategies to
minimize detoxification symptoms.
Julie: Absolutely. And before we wrap up, what
role does stress and emotional trauma play in
detoxing and hair loss?
Dr. Myers: Yes. Well, we all have emotional
trauma to certain degrees. People have had
outright abuse. Some people have just had
neglect, which can have as much of an outcome--
negative outcomes--as people who were abused.
Depending on the amount of trauma we’ve had,
we can have stress responses where we can
have…we’re very quick to get stressed out and it’s
tougher for us to calm down. And some people
have a very high stress setpoint that can be
brought on by the amount of trauma or the types
of trauma that they’ve experienced.
And the research is clear. Kaiser Permanente did-
-this is conventional medical research--did a study
on 17,000 patients and found that 65 percent of
physical health issues can be caused by emotional
trauma. And they only tested about ten different
variables. So the experts in the field, like Professor
Bessel van der Kolk and others, think it’s actually
much higher, that more health issues are actually
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caused by…there’s a higher percentage of health
issues caused by emotional trauma.
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So I think it’s really important if anyone out there
has done all kinds of stuff for their health… they’ve
just done everything physical. They’re eating an
amazing diet. They’re taking all the supplements.
They’ve done all these different things. They’ve
done the yoga and the stress reduction and the
supplements, and they just still feel like they’re
hitting a wall, I think that last pinnacle that people
need to address is the emotional trauma.
This is certainly the case for me because I thought,
what in the heck do I gotta do to feel good? with
all the things that I was doing for my health. So
emotional trauma and figuring out what emotional
trauma you have and addressing it is really
important.
Again, NES Health Bioenergetics does a scan and
it tells you all the different types of emotional
traumas you have and the organ that it’s affecting.
And it has protocols to release the emotional
traumas. Because emotional traumas require an
energetic approach because the traumas, all those
traumas have a frequency, and they’re all in our
energy field. That’s where the emotional traumas
lie. And this is scientifically validated.
So you want to be doing things like sound therapy,
biofield tuning, energy work, energy medicine,
bioenergetics. All those things address emotional
trauma because these traumas are not…we’re not
consciously aware of them. So you can’t address
them in talk therapy. You can become an expert in
your neuroses in talk therapy. You can learn how
to relate to other people in talk therapy, and it’s
great. I love talk therapy. I did many, many years
of it.
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But your emotional trauma remains because it’s
not being addressed. So again, I have another
program called the Emotional Detox Program,
where it’s a 30-hour program that talks about all
this. The scientific research and why traumas affect
us, how they affect us, and just really an incredible
amount of amazing, interesting information about
emotional trauma and how it affects us.
And certainly, when you are really, really stressed,
you can have hair loss. Absolutely. I mean, hair
loss can be caused by so many different things,
but stress and having a high stress setpoint is
certainly a telltale sign that you have a high stress
level. And I’ve had multiple friends that have had
hair loss due to having stressful events in their
lives, or what not. But yeah, emotional trauma can
definitely be a big factor in hair loss.
Julie: Absolutely. It played a role in my hair loss
when I had major hair loss, for sure. And we have
Dr. Aimie Apigian on this summit, who specializes
in that stress and the trauma and all that. So it’s a
very important topic to address. So thanks for your
insight on that.
Dr. Myers: Yeah. Well, thank you for having me.
Julie: Where’s the best place for people to find
you?
Dr. Myers: Yes. You can find me on my website on
myersdetox.com. I’m also on YouTube at Wendy
Myers and on all those social media, Instagram,
Facebook, @myersdetox.
Julie: Great. Well, thank you again for all your
brilliant insight. And be sure to watch the other
experts and my free masterclass after the summit
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Loss.