The Issue of

Palestine -
Religious and
historical
Background. Part
1

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The Issue of
Palestine -
Religious and
historical
Background. Part
1 [Hassan Ilyas]
Today, I wish to
staevery natirt a
discussion on a
very important
topic.

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This session may
be just the
beginning, and we
may further
continue this
discourse in the
coming
Sessions. I will
state the
background too.

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I don't want you to

take a stand on
any particular
situation related to
the issue. Several
times previously
too we have had
brief discussions
on this issue.
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As a student, I
wish to understand
the issue. The
Muslims who are
listening to you,
ought to go deep
into this issue,
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and the different

perspectives, the
religious, historical
or political realities
that exist, those
should be
understood

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and after that, if

they have to make
a decision, they
should be able to
achieve it. And this
has
been your
specialty

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that in such
confrontational
issues you
emphasize
inclusivity,
elucidate the
problem and then
give your opinion.

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The issue of
Palestine has been
going on among us
for quite a while.
Religious,
intellectual
movements have
arisen in this
regard.
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After sharing the

perspective of a
common
Muslim I will come
straight to you.

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We are familiar
with Makkah and
Madinah, Allah's
Prophet was
appointed there,
Our religious holy
places are there.
We have an
attachment with
them.
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And Allah's special

instructions
regarding those
regions. The
complete
background is
clear. However,
what is Palestine,

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the Bait-ul Maqdis,
the first Qibla?
There are some
conceptions
among us, such as
the earlier
Prophets came
here.

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The old Qibla was
this. The Jews had
taken over. Then
the crusades took
place. And now our
holy places,

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we have to free
them from their
clutches. The first
fundamental
question is, you tell
me, if I being a
Muslim rise up

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and see, so what
ought the land of
Palestine mean to
me? What
connection do I
have with it? What
does my Deen say
about it?
1:47

[Javed Ahmed
Ghamidi] First, we
should
understand that
how in our history,
this Jerusalem,
this Palestine got
related with
religion.

1:58

I have elaborated
several times that
the scheme of
Prophethood

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started by Allah
(swt) had two
phases. The first
phase was that
about which Allah
(swt) says that,

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'I have sent to
every community a
Messenger'
Obviously, the
communities would
be few in those
times.

2:20

So as and when
those communities
started spreading
in the world, then
Allah said that for
every community a
Messenger had
been sent.
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"Wa li Kulli
Ummatir Rasool
Fa Iza Ja'a
Rasooluhum Quzia
Bainahum Bil Qist
Wa hum La
Yuzlamun"
2:37

To whichever
community
the Messenger
was sent, a
judgment was set
up for them.

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And for them, a

just verdict about
them was
determined in this
world itself. This is
a Sunnat-e Ilahi,
the Quran has said
that
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the Court for

individuals would
be set up in the
Qiyamah.
However, for the
communities the
Court is this world
itself.

2:58

In general
circumstances,
the communities
which appear on
the stage of the
world, those too
pass through the
stages of infancy,
adolescence, and
youth,

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and then on
reaching their old
age, they perish.
[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] Allah
(swt] is giving

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this opportunity on
the world stage to
various
communities in
order. This has
also been stated
as a principle,

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"Tilkal Ayyamu
Udaaviluha Bainan
Naas", i.e. here
one after the other

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the communities
keep on arriving.
The communities
where the
appointment of
Messengers took
place, for them, as
I have said,

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for them, this Court

is set up in this
world. i.e. the
same Court which
is to be set up in
the Qiyamah for
individuals,

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that is set up for
communities in this
world itself. Then
those decisions
were made. And
those decisions, of
which

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the Quran gives
reference on
different
occasions. Like for
the people of Aad,
Samud, the nation
of Shoaib,

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the people of Lut,

and the people of
Syedna Ibrahim
A.S.

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This is the first
Phase. Post it, the
second Phase of
Prophethood
starts.

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This point is
understandable,
that when
communities were
scattered in
different places,
and people were
living nomadic
lives,
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then the situation

was different.
However,
gradually, the
world, as if, started
to become more
settled.
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The tribes and

communities
started getting
formed. And later
on, we saw, that
they took shape of
large states.

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So when this stage

was approaching,
the appointment of
Syedna Ibrahim
A.S. was made
and it was told that

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We have chosen
you for the
guidance and
leadership of the
world. "Jailuka
Linnasi Imama",
for the Position of
leadership,

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so what was this
leadership?
Obviously, it was
the guidance or
leadership in case
of religion or Deen.

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So this
appointment was
done and hence it
was made his
responsibility,
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to settle one part

of his descendants
in Canaan. And the
other part in the
Arabian Peninsula.

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[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi]
Therefore
after the Itmam-e
Hujjat (Completion
of Proof) on his
community, when
he left that place,

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he did Hijrah, and

the Torment of
Allah befell upon
his community. As
it has been
detailed in Surah
Tauba, then after
coming on to this
region

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he constructed that
House of Allah,
which we call
'Baitullah' or
'Masjid-e Haram'.
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Every Muslim is
aware of
its history. It was
reconstructed, it
old foundations
were raised. What
was the ancient
history

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is difficult to say
with finality, when
it began

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and through which
stages it passed.
However, it was
reconstructed. Its
foundations were
raised, and when
that House was
complete, the
Masjid was ready,
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Allah (swt) asked
Syedna Ibrahim
that now you
dedicate your son

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to take
responsibility for its
care and
safeguarding.

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Its custodianship
will
remain in this
family. Along with
this, the Quran has
informed us that
the changes that
were done

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in the scheme of
Prophethood was
that prior to this,
an individual used
to be appointed,
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i.e. the
appointment of
Syedna Ibrahim
himself or other
Prophets prior to
him.
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Since then the

Prophethood was
made
specific for the
descendants of
Prophet Ibrahim
A.S.

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i.e. instead of
sending Prophets
for each and every
community, more
or less about 4000
years back it was
decided that now
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the Prophethood
would remain
reserved for the
Nation of Prophet
Ibrahim A.S. It will
remain confined to
the descendants of
Prophet Ibrahim
A.S.

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The Messengers
as well as the
Prophets will be
appointed from
within them. And
along with it,
another decision
was made.
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That these
descendants will
be given the
responsibility for
bearing the
witness of Allah, to
testify about Him,
in this world.

6:57

i.e. therefore the

appointment or
choice will not just
be for the
individuals along
with it, the whole
Nation would
be chosen.

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This was the

choice for which
they were rescued
from the slavery of
Pharaoh.
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The Prophet Musa

was
appointed after
which he rescued
them from Egypt. It
was this selection
and the fulfiment of
its demands for
which it was done.

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This has been
stated by the
Quran in Surah
Aal-e Imran,
"Innalaha Hastafa
Aadama Wa
Nuhan Wa Aala
Ibrahima Wa Aala
Imran Allal
Aalimeen"

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We have been
choosing Adam
and Nuh as
individuals,

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after that, We have
chosen the whole
of the Nation of
Ibrahim and then
Aal-e Imran has
been mentioned
with reference to
Syedna Isa A.S.

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So this selection of
the whole Nation,
the
descendants,
obviously, the
Nation could not
go qua an
individual into
another Nation.

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It has to possess a
region. So what
will be that region?
For this, a decision
was made that
initially one branch
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would be given this

opportunity. To
Bani Israel. Who
are Bani Israel?
i.e. the son of
Syedna Ibrahim is
Is'haq, his son is
Yaqub, and his son
is Yusuf.

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The title of Syedna
Yaqub is Israel. i.e.
he has been called
Israel.

8:28

[Hassan] i.e. the

name of the
grandson of
Syedna Ibrahim
A.S. [Ghamidi] The
grandson of
Ibrahim A.S. Since
it got more
currency

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from his offsprings,

so for this region
they call
themselves Bani
Israel. [Hassan]
Right. [Ghamidi]
And we see in the
Quran

8:41
that Allah (swt) has
addressed them
with the title of
Bani Israel. So, all
the descendants of
Ibrahim have been
chosen.

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It implies that the
whole family of
Syedna Ibrahim
had been chosen.
However, after
these two
branches, it wasn't
decided for the
third son.

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He got settled
separately.
Regarding them, it
was decided that
the sons of Is'haq
would be settled in
Canaan,
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which is the
ancient name of
Palestine. And the
decision on this
end was

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in the Nation in
which our Prophet
(pbuh) was
born i.e. Bani
Ismael, they
should be initiated.
And that happened
through

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the elder son Bani

Ismael. They were
settled in the
Arabian Peninsula

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Along with it, it
becomes clear that
these two regions
had been specified
by Allah for
Himself although
the whole of the
land
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belongs to Allah,
the whole universe
belongs
to Allah. However,
on the earth Allah
(swt) has made
these two regions
special for Himself.

9:42

In the religious
terminology, it is
termed as
Taqdees. 'Al Arzul
Muqaddasa', i.e.
that land which
has been chosen
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by Allah for
Himself. Therefore
that land has been
specified

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by Allah for His
Deen, His Dawah,
and for
communicating His
Message. So it is
therefore the
awarding

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of 'Taqdees'
(Sanctification) to
that land. It is
similar to when we
buy a piece of land

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and decide to
construct a 'Masjid'
on it. Or the
Christians decide
to construct a
Church on it. The
same happens
with other
communities.

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Therefore, as per
the conceptions of
each community,
that
becomes specified
for worship of the
Lord.

10:29

So one is, that you

chose a place for
Masjid. Here it is
that the whole of
the descendants

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a whole Nation is
to be entrusted
with this
responsibility,
Hence a whole
region has been
selected.

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And here Syedna
Ismael got settled
there. He began it
there, and he was
settled there as the
Messenger of
Allah.

10:49

So that the
Itmaam-e Hujjat
(Completion of
Arguments) takes
place on the local
populace. Like
Bani Jurham,

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whose mention is
found in history,
And after this the
people brought
Iman on him, Thus
began the Nation
of Bani Ismael.

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They were given
the Custodianship
of Baitullah and
were entrusted the
responsibility of
safeguarding this
house (of Allah).

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They will keep it

free from all types
of 'Shirk', and this
land of Arabia shall
remain their land.

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On the other end,
the Bani Israel
were instructed to
leave Egypt now,

11:21

and this demand

for leaving is not
as a demand of
freedom for their
nation,
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rather it is to fulfill
the responsibility
when it was
decided after the
appointment of
Syedna Musa A.S.
that now, the
center of
'Tawheed'

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will be made in
Palestine. First,
they were given
the opportunity.
They were the first
to be chosen. This
is what the Quran
states everywhere,

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"Wa Laqad
Ikhtarna Hum Ala
Ilmin Alal
Aalameen".
'Among all the
Nations of
the world, I choose
them'.

11:53

[Hassan] Inni
Fazaltukum
[Ghamidi]
"Fazzaltukum Alal
Aalimeen" What
you see
immediately after
the introduction in
Surah Baqra,

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repeatedly it has
been mentioned
that from among
the Nations of the
world you were
chosen,

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preference was
given to you. So
what is this
preference? In
fact, it is
the devolution of a
responsibility.

12:11

The same way

when a Prophet is
appointed, that
constitutes a
virtue. Similarly,
when a whole
Nation or this race
was appointed
12:20

so it was a great
virtue for them,
since from among
all the nations of
the world, Allah
(swt) had chosen
them for Himself.
12:27

[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] In this
respect, whenever
you will read Bible,
you will know that
like the Quran

12:33

is a chronicle, a
record of the
journey of Dawah
of the Prophet,

12:40
in the same way,
Bible is the record
of their Dawah.
The manifestation
of divine
recompense that
has to occur
through them
12:47

the responsibility
entrusted to them,
the
position on which
they have been
designated, it is a
complete record of
it.

12:52

How it started, and

through which
stages did they
pass. So
obviously, these
people had to
come in to
Palestine.
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They were given

the Command that
now you do the
Jihad as there are
some communities
existing there.

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The Law of Allah is
whenever there
will be a
big number, a big
group,

13:12

when they are in

this position, it has
been stated as to
when I put this
responsibility on
the human beings,

13:19
otherwise, Allah
(swt) does His
work through His
Angels. Whenever
and whatever He
wishes, however
when He entrusts

13:26
some responsibility
on His servants,
on we human
beings He has
stated, that this is
a relation,

13:32

I assess your
strength and then
put the
responsibility on
you.
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So the
responsibility was
put on them to get
those areas
vacated. As Allah
has made that
area special for
Himself.

13:44

It was the decision

of Allah that the
area of Palestine,
where they were
settled earlier and
had migrated from
here
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during the days of

Syedna Yusuf A.S.
so after the
Appointment of
Musa A.S. had to
settle in this
region. [Hassan]
And it was their
test

13:57
as to whether they
would be able to
vacate? [Ghamidi]
So a result of this
decision of Allah
(swt) Palestine
became 'Al Arzul
Muqaddasa'. i.e. a
land marked
specific for Allah.
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Allah had chosen

it. And
the way the Quran
has stated it,

14:14

has said that now

you enter it, Allah
will help you. It is
Al-Arz Al-
Muqaddasa,
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i.e. the decision for
its sanctification
has been made. It
will remain special
for the Deen and
for the Dawah of
Allah.

14:29
And Allah has
written it for you.
"KatabAllahu
Lakum", i.e. it is
destined for you.
You have to just
enter it.

14:37

It was like, for the

Companions of
Prophet (pbuh), it
was destined that
their Kingdom
would be
established

14:43
in a large part of
the world.
However, they will
have to strive for it.
They will have to
set out for it. when
they will set out,

14:51
Allah (swt) will
decide the results
in their favor. So
regarding them,
the same decision
has been
made. However,
they showed
weakness and
were not ready for
it.

14:59

Syedna Musa A.S.

departed from this
world. After his
departure, under
the leadership of
his successors,
they entered
the region,

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and there, later on,

it is a long history,
they even
sometimes face
hardships.
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Moments of
weakness
descended upon
them as well. Then
in the era of
Samuel, they had
the opportunity for
settling there.

15:19

Then Hazrat
Dawood came up,
and his huge
empire was
established.
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Although it started
from Talut, earlier
they had a tribal
kind of system.
After that which
has been referred
to as 'Saul' in the
Bible,
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after which the

empires
of Dawood A.S.
and Sulaiman A.S.
During all these
stages the status
of the Qibla,

15:42

in the first phase

the Quran has
stated in Surah
Yunus, that the
houses of Syedna
Musa and Syedna
Harun were
declared as Qibla.

15:51

Till the time they

were in Egypt.
Since Salah has
been an obligatory
part in Deen,
hence someplace
or the other is
declared as Qibla.

15:59
What does
declaring
something as a
Qibla imply? To
allow for the
congregation of
Salah, a certain
place is chosen.
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Otherwise, the
congregation
would not happen.
Someone has to
lead, people have
to stand behind
him, so obviously
there has to be a
direction.

16:16

With this, a center

is created, and
what is the
direction to follow?
I have said that in
Surah Yunus, it
has been stated,
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the same has been

done when they
were in Egypt.
Here some person
may question that
for Allah's worship
16:29

the first House is

Baitullah. Syedna
Ibrahim had
inhabited it.

16:35

He had
reconstructed it.
Why wasn't it
declared as Qibla
in Egypt?

16:40

The point is at
times
when the proper
training of the
people hasn't
taken place, or a
few things have
become

16:47

a matter of
National prejudice,
or regarding
something a
situation develops
which they benefit
from, then it is
not touched.

16:56

The Prophet
himself has given
us a lesson in it.
i.e. in the last
days, when he saw
the Baitullah,
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so he said that the

place
which is remaining
in front of Baitullah
which is known as
Hateem, is a part
of Baitullah.

17:09

And it should have

been that this full
area should have
been used to
construct the
structure of
Baitullah
17:17

Earlier it used to
be like this. This
was said by the
Prophet. This is
how is used to be.
But the structure
fell,
17:23

the Quraish
reconstructed it,
they had some
shortage of
material

17:28

and funds so they

left the place
incomplete. In the
same way,

17:34
as they were the
custodians, they
wished that they
have a special
status,

17:41

so they made just

a single door of
Baitullah and
elevated it a bit
too. So that
nobody is able to
enter without their
permission.

17:49

Whoever they wish

may enter. This
happens even
today. It is not that
you and I can go
and enter it.
17:54

So both the points

were
stated by the
Prophet.
Obviously, the
question arose that
then it should be
rectified.

18:00

So the Prophet
said, (this
interaction had
been with Sayyeda
Ayesha R.A.) "The
people of your
community have
newly
embraced Islam"

18:09

"So there is a
danger that this
may lead to a big
controversy"
[Hassan] Even if
the Prophet does
it. [Ghamidi] Even
if the Prophet did
it.

18:16
So it becomes
indispensable to
see such things.
So the declaration
of the Qibla is not
a big deal.

18:21
Allah (swt) has
explained that this
is just to facilitate
collectivity. This
doesn't lead to any
apocalypse.

18:28

So the houses had

been declared as
Qibla. After this
when he had been
on a journey, there
was a chest inside,
in which there
were tablets of
Torah,
18:37

or there were
some holy relics of
Hazrat Musa A.S.
that was declared
as the Qibla. And
generally a
mention of the
Tabernacle,

18:45
"Tent of
Congregation"
comes, and about
how is that to be
formed, what all
arrangements
should be done
there?

18:52
If you wish to see,
its details have
been quoted in the
Bible. And it is not
just in one place, it
is
there in great
detail.

18:59

Now the next

stage was to
construct a place
of worship for
Allah. That place
of worship was
made there which
is called 'Temple of
Solomon'.
19:08

Obviously, an
outstanding
structure was
made for it. We are
aware that even
the Jinns used to
work in the court of
Syedna Sulaiman.
19:17

His own palace

was made
by them which the
Quran calls
"Sarhum
mumarradun Min
Qawareer" And in
the same way,

19:23

the structure of
Haikal was made.
For the grandeur,
the majesty of the
structure, the word
Haikal was used.

19:30

otherwise, it was a
Masjid that was
made. For this
reason, the Quran
has called it 'Al
Masjid ul Aqsa'.
19:35
So a Masjid was
constructed. A
huge Masjid, and
for a long time,

19:41

when they were in

power and
dominance and the
empire of Syedna
Sulaiman existed
then this Masjid
was their
center and axis
Regarding it also,

19:50

we learn from
circumstantial
evidence that
when Syedna
Sulaiman got it
built, and some
traces of this
information are
gathered from
Bible as well.
19:59

Rather some
researchers are of
the point of view
that even Syedna
Dawood and
Syedna Sulaiman
too came for Hajj
to Baitullah.

20:07
So there are some
traces, some
pointers that its
Qibla was also
made towards the
Baitullah.
However, when
this Masjid

20:16
was constructed,
and it was done
with great care, so
it became a
symbol of
their glory and
from the point of
religion,

20:26

it attained a central
status. And for a
long enough
period, this glory
and grandiosity of
this Masjid
remained.

20:34
Then you are
aware that
Nebuchadnezzar
attacked and when
they adopted
despondency, lost
their position, and
could
20:43

not live up to its

demands. Those
are a
few things that
were expected of
them. One is as
regard to Deen,

20:49

they should
dedicate
themselves being
the Chosen
Nation, They fulfill
the demands of
the responsibility
entrusted to them
20:54

for testifying about

Allah. And that
they stay united
within themselves.
Since these were
the requisite things
of them
21:00
which they could
not fulfill properly,
Allah (swt)
punished them.
And this law too
has been stated in
the Torah, that for
this Chosen Nation

21:08
this was the
Decree, that if they
commit any big
mistake, a
significant
deviation then they
will be punished in
the world itself.

21:14

What you observe

that in a settlement
beside a river

21:19
in the Quran, it
was said, when
they broke the law
of Allah regarding
fishing on
Sabbath, then how
We
metamorphosised
them.
21:27

In this way, they

are punished in the
world
itself. That was
their first
punishment to
them. That has
been mentioned in
the Quran in Surah
Bani Israel.

21:36
It has its details, it
was a very tragic
incident. However,
that punishment
was meted
out to them.

21:42

And in that, the

Haikal, i.e. this
Masjid was
completely razed.
When Allah (swt)
punishes it is in
such manner.

21:49
[Hassan] Who had
attacked?
[Ghamidi] The
empire of Babylon.
Nebuchadnezzar
attacked. [Hassan]
Followers of
another Deen?

21:56
[Ghamidi] Who is
called Nebukhad-
nussar. Both
the pronunciations
are correct. So this
personality or the
King, he attacked.

22:03

Actually, this area

had come under
their authority.
They had
rebellions among
them, one after the
other
22:09

like it was followed

in ancient times,
the Kings would
come down to
punish, so they
were subjugated,
made into slaves,
and taken away.

22:16
made to suffer in
punishment, you
will get its tale in
the Bible. During
the times of
Prophet Daniel,
how miserable
they were there.

22:25
They were not
even to allowed to
offer Salah in
the open. So this
tale is in its own
place, there are a
lot of details which

22:31

people can see for

themselves. So
this happened in
the first instance.
Then Allah (swt)
created such a
situation, they also
were
now inclined

22:40

while Prophets
were appointed
among them as
well. so they got
an opportunity to
return. During the
reign of Cyrus, it is
alleged.

22:47
When they
returned, the
pages of the Torah
were also
scattered.

22:52

It was recompiled,
and then this
incident happened.
i.e. you take it as
more or less 550
years before the
birth of
Syedna Isa A.S.

23:02

So their life started

once again, and
for the Haikal too,
this was the
second
construction. i.e. it
was reconstructed

23:10
for the second
time. The same
situation existed till
the period of
Syedna Isa A.S.

23:15

The appointment
of Syedna Isa A.S.
took place. And the
completion of
Arguments on
them was
done by him.

23:20

At that time, their

depravity had
reached its peak,
Syedna Yahya
A.S. had been
beheaded and his
head presented to
a dancer.

23:27
Regarding Isa
A.S., Allah says
that they were
about to kill him,
crucify him, that
story is another
heart-wrenching
tale.
23:36

When the
Arguments were
completed, then
Allah (swt) took out
Isa
A.S. from among
them. And there
was a Decree of
Allah

23:44

finalized that once

again the torment
of Allah will befall
on them. And then
the Romans
attacked and all
the places of
worships
23:51

were devastated
including them too.
A lot of details are
there. How many
were killed and
captivated in
thousands? The
atrocities on
women.
24:01

They were made

to
suffer, subjugated
and scattered
everywhere. So
this was the
second torment or
torment for the
second time

24:08
which was sent
upon them by Allah
(swt). Following
which, Alllah (swt)
gave the Decree
that now the
matter is over.

24:15

i.e. this was the

last opportunity
which was given to
them. After Isa
A.S., the followers
of Isa A.S.,

24:22
i.e. even if the
slightest
connection they
have with Isa A.S.
they too will be
dominant upon you
and this shall
continue till the
Qiyamah.
24:30

So two
announcements
were made. One
was,
since this was the
Chosen Race of
Allah, the matter
with the remaining
races were

24:37

the particular
community with
which this affair
had taken place,
they would meet
the Torment and
that's the end of it.
24:44

This had taken

place in 70 C.E.,
however, even
after this,

24:50
this full race being
the Chosen Race
of Allah, a Decree
was made, "Jailul
Lazee Nattabiuuka
Fauqal

24:56

Lazeena Kafaru Ila

Yaumil Qiyamah",
now till the Day of
the Qiyamah,
those having the
slightest
connection with Isa
A.S.,

25:04
here the verb has
been used in the
sense of iddia-e
fayl, 'Ittabiuuka' i.e.
those who claim to
be the followers of
Isa A.S.

25:12
they will dominate
upon the Jews, or
the Bani Israel. Till
what time will
they dominate? Till
the Day of
Qiyamah.

25:20

This
announcement
was made. As you
will also see in
Surah Araaf,
where it has been
stated that among
them,

25:26
occasionally such
people will arise,
i.e. there will be
given respite, in
between, some
deferment would
be there, such as
100 years, 50
years.
25:32

However, such
people
would keep
appearing who
would subject
them

25:38

to the worst of
torments and this
too will continue till
the Day of
Qiyamah. i.e. both
these facts have
therefore been
stated by the
Quran
25:44

that is, in such a

way that Allah had
chosen them, and
now they have
reached such fate.
Therefore their
destiny has been
fixed.
25:52

And therefore they

are
spurned by
Heaven. [Hassan]
Right. [Ghamidi]
This has been their
affair. Excepting
that they be
repentant of their
wrongs,

25:59
return towards
God, accept
Syedna Isa A.S.
and this is their
recourse.
26:05

To the extent that

Allah (swt) for the
second branch, the
descendants of
Hazrat Ibrahim i.e.
Bani Ismael,
26:11

from among them

was
made a decision to
appoint
Muhammad
(pbuh), as Prophet
of Allah. The
appointment took
place, after it, the
Itmaam-e Hujjat
was done there.

26:19
For them, the
Court of Allah was
established on
land, and then
Allah gave the
Verdict that from
now onwards

26:26

Bani Ismael have

been conferred the
same position.
What is that
position? The
position for being
the witness of
Allah,
26:33

to testify Him.
There too the
same thing was
said, 'Huwaj
Taba'kum', now
Allah has chosen
you.
26:39

[Hassan] Okay.
[Ghamidi] "Millata
Abiikum Ibrahim",
Now you have be
steadfast on your
father Ibrahim's
Deen,

26:47

he was your father.

[Hassan] Kazalika
Ja'alnaakum..
[Ghamidi] And you
have to do like
wise, Kazalika
Ja'alnaakum
umatam wasatal

26:53

Litakunu
Shuhadah Alan
Naas, Wa Yakunar
Rasoolu Alaikum
Shaheedah" You
are one of the
races among the
different races of
the world,
27:00

On one end is your

Allah's Prophet,
and ahead of you
are the different
nations of the
world. The Prophet
will become the
witness of Allah to
you.

27:07
And this you will
testify to the
different nations of
the world.
[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] This
responsibility,
therefore,
27:14

has now been

transferred and
given over to Bani
Ismael. This is a
huge
trust of Allah (swt),
i.e. the Deen of
Allah, His
Message,

27:21

His Dawah, a great

honor. A great
blessing to be
chosen by Allah.

27:26
The incident of
Isra'a among us, in
which the Prophet
(pbuh) within a
single night, as
stated in the
Quran,

27:33
in Surah Bani
Israel, was taken
from Masjid-e
Haram to Majid-e
Aqsa.
27:40

Here the word of

Masjid used, at
times people who
are more literal
minded, make it a
subject that there
wasn't any building
there.
27:48

The Building isn't a

Masjid. The word
Masjid implies a
place for
prostration. i.e.
that compound

27:53

or that locality is
special. Since it
has been chosen
by a Prophet,

27:58
and the choice of
the Prophets is
according to the
wish of Allah, so till
the Day of
Qiyamah, it is a
Masjid,

28:03
a piece of land for
Masjid. With this
concept in mind,
the Quran has
called it Al Masjid-
ul Aqsa.

28:09

It a compound
spread around
acres of land, if
you see it some
time. [Hassan]
What does Aqsa
mean? [Ghamidi]
Far away.
28:15

Obviously, with
regard to Makkah,
it was far away. i.e.
that Masjid far
away, people knew
it.

28:20
i.e. that place of
worship, that place
for prostration.
That when
you choose a
platform in a
marketplace,

28:26

then also it is a
Masjid. There you
do not need to
have a pulpit, or
build arches.
pillars, dome, or a
minaret.

28:35
[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] If a
building is made,
so be it. You are
aware that the
structure of
Baitullah was
razed to the
ground for new
construction
28:41

during the times of

Abdullah Bin
Zubair. Or when
the Quraish razed
it, then too it was
Baitullah. And in
such a case, it will
be called the
same.

28:48
This was the point
that was kept in
view when it was
said that, till there
the Prophet (pbuh)
was taken and
Allah showed him
some of His Signs.

28:55

That was in fact,

as I have stated in
the exegesis of the
Surah Bani Israel,
call it the
interpretation, or
an allegory for the
fact that
29:02

that trust that was

handed over to
them in Palestine.
Now after this new
appointment, that
trust and this trust
29:10

all have been

merged
into one place, and
that is the
personality of the
revered and great
Prophet (pbuh).

29:15

And now it is the

Bani Ismael who
have to take care
of this affair till the
Day of the
Qiyamah. So this
is the special
status
of the Arabian
Peninsula,

29:23

and this is the

history of the
special status of
Palestine. That too
is an 'Al Arzul
Muqadassa', and
this too is also 'Al
Arzul Muqadassa'.

29:31
Regarding that too
there was a decree
the that till the time
Bani Israel stayed
in that place, it was
their responsibility
that

29:38
no Shirk or Kufr
could prosper
there, and for
this the same
responsibility
holds.

29:43

So in brief I
explained to you,
what was the
nature of this
choice of Allah,
and why with
reference to the
Bani Israel, or
Palestine
29:53

from the point of a

city or a country,
has assumed such
significance in
religion.

29:58
Since this was the
first choice of Allah
as a center for His
'Tawheed'
of this whole
region.

30:04

Like He chose the

region of the
Arabian peninsula
and after the
appointment of
Muhammad (pbuh)
as the Prophet of
Allah,

30:11
he revived this
status of it and till
the day of
Qiyamah the
Muslims were
bound to "La
Yajtameu Fihi
Deenan"
30:17

"Never would two

religions assemble
together here, ever
again." [Hassan]
Right Ghamidi
Sahab, you have
put the points
together in great
detail.

30:23

Till now whatever

points you have
explained, on
them, I wish to
present a few
connected aspects
for the purpose of
further elucidation.

30:30

The first thing that

you should clarify
is that at the point
in time when they
had been
deposed, the
responsibility was
taken away from
them,

30:36
and the same
position was
entrusted upon the
Bani Ismael and
Prophet (pbuh), it
was a matter of
sanctifying a piece
of land,
30:42

specifying a region
when one Nation is
removed
from that position
then the intellect
says

30:49

then the other

issues should have
automatically
ended. You said in
the end, that these
two regions were
sacred.
30:55

Then after giving

them the charge
still the earlier land
remained
sacrosanct?
[Ghamidi] No, the
matter had closed.
Allah's torment
came upon them.
31:04
It has been stated
that now your
status has
changed, "Jailul
Lazee Nattabiuuka
Fauqal Lazeena
Kafaru Ila Yaumil
Qiyamah",

31:12
Now Allah will
have glance on
them with affection
only when... as
this selection was
made by Allah, the
matter was that
Allah

31:19

has bestowed to
them the land of
Arabia. Now God
forbid, (may dust
be in my mouth),
i.e. this is a
saddening thought
31:24

if the Muslim
Ummah also
indulges in such
deviations, and
Allah takes it away
from them, I am
repeating again,
Ma'azAllah,
31:30

never may Allah

create
such a situation.
However, if Allah
(swt) takes it away,
what will it mean?
It will mean that

31:37

the people have

come under the
torment. So there
warnings keep
continuing from
Allah's side,
however, the final
decree made
against them

31:45

was after the

appointment of
Syedna Isa A.S.
Earlier warnings
were also given,
the whip of torment
rained down.

31:53
The full history has
been narrated in
Surah Bani Israel,
in the Quran.
However, for the
last time, it was
decreed that

32:01
now, till Qiyamah,
you will be under
the torment.
Except that you
return and adopt
the right attitude.

32:07

Obviously, it is a
big condition, one
has to accept
Syedna Isa A.S.
and also declare
faith in Muhammad
(pbuh) as the
Prophet of Allah.
32:13

If they do not
conform to these
then the matter is
completely closed.
It has been closed
from the side of
Allah (swt).
32:19

[Hassan] So when
Allah (swt) states,
"In Uttum
Udna" and "Aufu
Bi Ahdi Ufi Bi
Ahdi", So what
does return
implies, the Bani
Israel or the Nation
of Palestine,

32:29
or the people
present today, the
Jews, they would
return and accept
that okay we take
the
responsibility,

32:35

so how will Allah

revert, he has
already deposed
them, and a new
Nation has taken
over? [Ghamidi]
What is meant by
reverting?
Reverting is to
accept Hazrat Isa
A.S
32:41

as well as
Muhammad
(pbuh), the
Prophet of Allah.
The whole issue is
resolved. Then
what is implied by
returning?
32:46

They come part of

the Ummah. After
the
appointment of
Muhammad (pbuh)
the Bani Ismael is
in the field of
Dawah.

32:53

They have been

given the
responsibility. They
are giving the
Dawah, If I accept
this Dawah, I will
become their part,
32:59

If you accept it,

you too become a
part of them. When
they will accept
they too would
become a part of
it.
33:04

If that happens,
that is a
tall order. Now, it is
not possible to say,

33:09

that I won't accept

these Decrees of
Allah (swt), i.e. we
won't accept either
the appointment of
Isa A.S.

33:15
or the appointment
of Muhammad
(pbuh) the Prophet
of Allah. And I
have reverted
back. Where have
you reverted to?

33:21
i.e. what has been
the whole issue?
That Allah
(swt) sent Isa A.S.
The Final Proof
was completed on
them.

33:26

Instead of
accepting his
Dawah and bowing
themselves to him,
what they did?

33:33
They were after his
life and attempting
to crucify reached
the height of
rebellion.

33:39

So now obviously
the redressal has
to be done. The
Dawah is always
open to them,
Allah (swt)
will be kind and
merciful to them.

33:47

That will only

happen with this
Nation when they
come on to this
side.
33:52

When it will accept

it. So
this is the Decree
of Allah (swt),
which has been
described. So
Palestine achieved
this status

33:58

from the religious

point of view in this
backdrop. And the
status achieved by
the Arabian
Peninsula
34:04

was in the context

of this backdrop.
[Hassan] Tell us
Ghamidi Sahab,
when Bani Ismael
was appointed
34:09

and after that, we

read in
the Quran the
whole incident of
the passing on of
trust of the Qibla.
The Ayaat are
there.

34:16

There you have

narrated the tale
about Qibla, that
initially, the houses
were declared the
Qibla, and then the
Chest, followed
by the construction
of Haikal.

34:23

the construction of
a Masjid. When
the Bani Ismael
were appointed,
why were they told
to face the Baitul
Maqdis while
praying?
34:30

[Ghamidi] This has

been answered in
the Quran. i.e. if
you learn the Deen
of Allah not
through hearsay,

34:37
rather from the
Book of Allah, then
in it there two
types of
Commands. One
type are the
eternal Commands
of the Shariah.

34:45

The second, are

the Commands of
'Ibtela'a'. i.e. Allah
(swt) passes us
through tests. So
what was the affair
of Bani
Ismael?

34:53

Their whole
prejudice was
about Baitullah.
Allah (swt) has
said that, Qibla is
not something to
be dogmatic about

35:00
It is just the
appointment of a
Masjid, a building,
a place, as a mark
for a reference. It
acquires a central
status.

35:08
The important
thing is the
Command of Allah
and His
Messenger. Which
has been made. I
have said that it is
stated in

35:14

Surah Yunus,
when Syedna
Musa A.S. had
been appointed,
then their houses
were declared as
Qibla. What has
been done here?
35:21

That Bani Ismael

be told that what is
of real importance
is the Command of
Allah.

35:26
For them the Baitul
Maqdis or you can
call it Haikal-e
Sulaimani,
35:32

or as per our
understanding, the
Masjid-e Aqsa. By
Masjid-e Aqsa is
not meant a
building, rather a
compound
35:39
where that
structure was
constructed and
that till the
Qiyamah is a place
for prostration.
That compound is
the place

35:45
for prostration and
comprises acres of
land. So this was
stated to be their
Qibla. So the
Quran
says that,

35:52

"This was a test

that we had given
to Bani Ismael
whether they
follow the
commands of the
Prophet

35:57
or they get
themselves
entangled in the
debate about the
history of Qibla."
We wished to see
that. So this was a
Command for
testing.

36:05
Given for a few
years. When the
Muslims had come
to Madinah, now
the question was
that

36:11

the People of
Scriptures are
being given the
Dawah. So now
the objective was
to test them. Allah
(swt) tests
equitably.

36:19
The test of Bani
Ismael was
whether on the
Command of the
Prophet, do they
turn their faces
towards it or not?

36:24
And their test was
that what you have
taken as
your Qibla,
(obviously, a lot of
changes had come
in their Deen),

36:29

so now on the
Command of Allah
and the Prophet of
Allah whether they
turn their faces
towards Baitullah
or not?
36:35

So both had to
pass through the
tests. There are
two groups who
are the audience
of the Prophet.
Originally, in the
Arabian Peninsula,
the Mushrikeen-e
Arab

36:43
who are the people
of the Prophet's
community, i.e. the
Bani Ismael, and
the other, were the
People of the
Scripture. So firstly
the Bani Ismael
were passed
through a test
36:50

and it has been

said in
clear words that
this what We have
done, what is the
purpose of it? So
that We see,

36:56

"Maiyn Yattabiur
Rasool", who
among you follows
the Prophet, and
who on hearing
about the change
of Qibla goes
back to his past.

37:03

[Hassan] Right
Ghamidi Sahab.
[Ghamidi] So this
was a command in
order to test, which
had been given. Of
course, it was
given, there isn't
any doubt about it.
37:08

The Quran is quite

explicit about it.
[Hassan] The last
question of today's
Session. Tell us
Ghamidi Sahab,
when they were
deposed
37:14
and the Bani
Ismael was
appointed, so were
the Bani Ismael
positively
instructed by Allah
(swt) that now the
last nation for
which

37:22
I had specified a
full region, where
the Messengers of
Allah, in
the center of the
world, kept coming
for a long time.

37:27

They did not live

up to their
responsibilities.
This is your
responsibility and
this is the region
for you, however,
that region too,
since it was the
chosen land of
Allah,

37:35

and a place of
worship for Allah
had been
constructed there,
that too has to be
safeguarded by
you people or that
too

37:41
has to be kept
inhabited by you or
was any advice
given regarding it?
[Ghamidi] No,
absolutely no
instructions were
given.
37:47

it has been
explicitly stated
that it is the
Arabian Penisula
where two
religions would not
converge. So the
Completion of
Arguments

37:54

was done on the

Arabian Peninsula.
There the Muslims
or the Bani Ismael
established their
power. Along with
it, in
the last four years

38:02

prior to his
departure from the
world, the Prophet
(pbuh) extended
his Dawah
38:07

to the surrounding
regions. So all
those regions
which were in the
vicinity all were
conquered. The
Companions too

38:14

as a result of the
Itmam-e Hujjat
gave them the
punishment.
38:20

The punishments
were also applied
to them. And the
Decree of the
Quran, "Hatta
Yutul Jaziyata An
Yadin Wa hum
Sagiroon",
38:27

that they will live

while in
subordination This
became applicable
to the whole area.
That whole region
included Palestine
also.

38:34

This is the general

statement that is
made. Otherwise,
there isn't any
specific Command.
Actually, that
became a tale of
the past.

38:41

From the point of

view of religion, it
was all over.
[Hassan] Right
Ghamidi Sahab.
Regarding
Palestine, we
started the
discussion with
you on its
religious,
38:47

historical, and
political scenario.
Insha Allah we
shall take it
forward. The steps
taken by the
Sahaba, when
Syedna Umar R.A.
went there.

38:55
Jerusalem was
taken in conquest.
What incidents
took place after it?
And I wish to take
the discussion to a
point where

39:00
the people
understand about
the present status
of this issue. And
what is
the scenario of the
contemporary
period

39:06

in which we can
comprehend it?
We have
exhausted our time
at this point.
InshaAllah we
shall be at your
service next week.
0:20 / 31:16

Transcript
0:01

Palestine Conflict,
Religious and
Historical
Background Part -
2 [Hassan Ilyas]
Let us begin. Last
week I had
requested you
0:08

for a detailed
discussion on a
topic: Palestine
Conflict, the
Religious and

0:13
the Historical
status of this land.
What is this
issue? Where do
we Muslims stand
with regard to it?

0:21

How can we
understand it. You
had stated in great
detail. That Allah
(swt) had chosen
some nations, and
associated
0:27

some specific
regions with them.
And after that, one
Nation was
removed from this
responsibility and
another Nation
was chosen in its
place.
0:35
I would take the
discussion further
from that point i.e.
when the
appointment of
Bani Ismael had
been done.

0:40
The sphere of their
influence was the
Arabian Peninsula.
There they had to
fulfill this
responsibility as a
Nation.

0:46

After this, what

happened so that
Palestine was set
aside, and on the
other side, the
Sahaba started
coming out of

0:54
the Arabian
Peninsula towards
Palestine, and
what was the
reason for their
egress? What
happened there,
after this? And
what does the
history
1:01

of the Muslims tell

us
about the things
that have been
happening in this
Land? [Javed
Ahmed Ghamidi]
This point was fully
clear from the
discussion that

1:08
Allah (swt) in a
specific period had
chosen Palestine
1:14

that this Land

would now be the
center of my
Dawah.

1:22
The Bani Israel
would inhabit this
land. The
Prophethood
would
become
specialized with
them.

1:29

From this land,

they would convey
the Message and
the Dawah of Allah
to the people. I
had said to you
that the Quran
1:38

has described its

whole history.
Previously, its
details

1:45

have been
elaborated upon.
Let us recapitulate
once again some
of the major points.
1:51

i.e. when Syedna

Ibrahim A.S. was
sent towards his
Nation, he
completed the
Proof of God
(Itmaam ul-Hujjah)
to his Nation.

1:58

There according to
the
laws of
appointments for
Prophets, the
judgment of God
was delivered unto
them. When he did
Hijrah and came
out from that land,

2:06
he was handed
over yet another
Mission. [Hassan]
Right.
[Ghamidi] And it
was also said at
that moment, that
now, till Qiyamah

2:13

the Religious
Leadership
(Prophethood) has
been awarded to
you. On that
occasion, when
this Leadership
was given,
2:21

he asked, "Wa Min

Zurriati", i.e.
whether this affair
would remain
confined to my
personality or my
offsprings are also
a part of it?

2:28
It was said, "If they
are oppressors
then they too
would be
suspended from
this honor,
otherwise they
would be a part of
it.
2:34

"la Yanalu Ahdiz

Zalimeen". All
these
points have been
stated by the
Quran itself.

2:39

And along with it, it

has clarified that
the Bani Israel has
been given this
preference, it was
the same position

2:46
of being the
witnesses, and
they were
designated for this
position. And for a
long time remained
in this position.

2:53
Approximately, it
can be estimated
that this was
for a period of
1500 years. i.e.
when the period of
Syedna Isa A.S.

2:59

came, so if we
take the period
starting from the
time of Musa A.S.,
more or less the
period of 1500
years had passed.
3:07

When His last

Prophet completed
the Arguments of
Allah on them, so I
had said that on
one end, the
Torment of Allah
came upon their
Nation,
3:15
and in the 70 C.E.,
they were simply
defeated and
expelled from
there. And both the
forms of Torment
which Allah (swt)
has stated, i.e.

3:24
a Nation be
eradicated, or
placed under the
Torment of slavery
and
subordination.

3:31

For them, this

second form of
torment had been
chosen. Since they
weren't just the
Nation of a single
Prophet,

3:38
like the Aad and
the Samud. Their
own status was
that they were the
Chosen Nation of
Allah.

3:43

They had been

appointed. Allah
(swt) had chosen
them for serving
His Deen.
3:48

In this respect,
"Fazzaltukum Alal
Aalimeen" i.e.
giving preference
among all the
Nations of the
world
3:55

they had been

chosen, so for that
too there is a law
governing it. And
that Law has been
stated in great
detail in the Torah.

4:01

Even now, if you

read the book of
Deuteronomy,
there are a lot of
details about it. It
has been
explained there
that
4:08

now your affairs

would be similar to
what Allah (swt)
does with Prophets
on an individual
basis. i.e. if you
remain steadfast
on truth
4:15

then Allah's Help

and
Guidance would
be there. His
Patronage will
manifest itself
upon you. And
worldly exaltations
will be there. And if
you will deviate

4:22
then you will be
punished in the
world itself. This
was not the case
for
other nations.
Therefore, the
worldly
punishments

4:29

that they were

decreed for them,
has been stated in
the Quran in this
way, and I had
mentioned it that
now, till Qiyamah,
4:38

the exact words

are there, "Jailul
Lazee Nattabeuka
Fauqal Lazeena
Kafaru Ila Yaumil
Qiyamah". Since
the Final Argument
had been
4:47

completed through
Syedna Isa A.S. so
it was stated, that
those people who
would claim to be
the followers of
Syedna Isa A.S.
would have
domination

4:54
on them till the
Day of Qiyamah.
And further
clarification was
done in
Surah Araaf, that it
will not just be this
domination,

5:03

rather
occasionally, i.e. in
a gap of a century
or in another 50
years,

5:08
there will be a
regular whip of of
Torment that will
strike them.
[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] So these
points were
elucidated in
principle by the
Quran.
5:15

With this, we
learned that the
erstwhile status
of Palestine got
over. And this too
has been stated by
the Quran. i.e. it
has said in Surah
Baqra,

5:23

after narrating this

complete tale of
theirs. Now the
manner in which
they had been
designated for this
position,

5:28

similarly, O Bani
Ismael, i.e. the
Nation of the
Prophet (pbuh)
has been
addressed, the
Sahaba
(Companions)
have been
addressed

5:35
that now it is you
who have been
designated for this
position. [Hassan]
"Kazalika
Ja'alnakum
[Ghamidi]
"Kazalika
Ja'alnakum
Ummatan wasatan
Li Tukunu
Shuhadah Alar
Rasool, (rather)

5:42
Li Tukunu
Shuhadah Alan
Naas Wa Yakunar
Rasoolu Alaikum
Shaheedah" This
has been said. I
had said that in
Surah Hajj
5:49

it is made clear as
to who has been
bestowed with
this responsibility.
It is said, "Millata
Abikum Ibrahim"
and there too the
same words

5:58

have been used. It

is your father,
Ibrahim's Deen, it
is his Dawah, this
House was settled
by him.
6:04

This Masjid-e
Haram was made
by him. You are
the inheritance of
that legacy. The
last Prophet has
been appointed
among you.
6:10

The status of
Palestine
will now be yours
till Qiyamah. So
from the religious
point of view, now

6:16

this status belongs

to the Arabian
Peninsula. Hence
it was stated in the
Quran that after
the Itmam-ul
Hujjah
6:23

of the Prophet
(pbuh) now this
land will only allow
Allah's Deen.
"Yakunad Deen
Kulluhu Lillah" and
the Prophet
elaborated this

6:35
while stating "La
Yajtamehu Fihi
Deenan". Now till
the Qiyamah, in
the Arabian
Peninsula, this is
the Haram, it is the
Center of
Tawheed,

6:44
it is the House of
Allah, it is
Baitullah, people
will come for its
Hajj and
never will two
religions gather
here in this land.

6:53

So with regard to
religion, the matter
is closed here. i.e.
the special status
of Palestine, i.e.
the same quality
7:00

or the same
sanctification has
now been
bestowed upon the
Arabian Peninsula.
And the
Commands of
Allah related to it
are now connected
7:08
with the Arabian
Peninsula. And the
results and
consequences
stated in the Quran
will now be
restricted to this
Peninsula only.

7:17
If you look into the
next aspect, then
what is it?
That aspect is that,
when through the
Prophet the
Itmam-ul Hujjah
took place

7:27

in the Arabian
Peninsula, then it
did not remain
confined to it only.
i.e. the last
Prophet and the
last Messenger.
7:33

In the capacity of
the last Messenger
and the last
Prophet now there
isn't any Prophet
or Messenger
7:40

to come from
Allah, and
the chain of
propagating the
Deen which Allah
(swt) started from
the times of Adam
A.S., its
termination has
been declared.

7:51
So the Itmam-ul
Hujjah of the
Prophet was not
kept limited to one
region or one
nation. Rather,
initially it was said,

7:59

this race in which

you have been
appointed, i.e. the
word Ummul Qura
was used, implying
this city of Makkah.
8:06

Appointment of the
Prophet took place
there only. "Li
Tunzira Ummul
Qura Wa Man
Hawlaha", i.e. this
Ummul Qura, the
basic settlement,
or the central
locality,

8:16
this area and its
vicinity should be
region for your
'Inzar'. When this
stage was
surpassed then it
was said that now
the rest of the
people,

8:24
should be
conveyed the
same Message.
Hence, you see,
the first section
of the Quran, the
Surah Baqra,

8:30

Aal-e Imran, Nisa,

Maidah, their
complete focus is
towards 'Ahl-e
Kitaab' (The
people of
Scriptures).

8:36
The People of
Scriptures of the
Arabian Peninsula.
when the
Completion of
Arguments of Allah
had taken place

8:41
in the Arabian
Peninsula, and His
Decree had been
implemented, and
the
justice of His Court
of Justice had
been pronounced,
then

8:48

about 4 years
earlier to this
result, the Prophet
(pbuh) extended

8:54
his Dawah to the
surrounding
regions. About that
you are aware that
on one side, was
the Byzantine
Empire, and on the
other side

9:01
was the Sassanid
Empire. Under
them there were
several rulers
which you
may call
independent
states. So the
Prophet (pbuh)
wrote letters

9:10

to about 8 such
rulers. And then
they were given
the opportunity,
that the Prophet of
Allah is in the
world, the last
Prophet of Allah,
9:17

if someone wishes
to meet, he is
welcome, if
someone wishes
to discuss, may as
well. Hence, when
a Prophet gives
the Dawah and a
time interval is
given,

9:26
that too was given.
And the company
of Allah manifests
necessarily with
the Prophet, and
this becomes

9:32
the means of
Itmam-ul Hujjah,
that too happened.
And then the
Prophet indicated
to the Sahaba
(Companions)

9:39

that this stage is

now beginning. I
would be leaving
the world.
However, that
stage is starting in
which these areas
will come under
you
9:47

and those people

who would deny
God among them
will be punished
through you. The
same punishment
which was given to
the people in the
Arabian Peninsula.
9:54
Those
punishments have
been stated by the
Quran in Surah
Tauba. And it is
that, those people
who are 'Mujahir
Bis Shirk',

10:01
i.e. those people
who declare shirk
as their religion,
those who say
about Shirk that it
is the
correct Deen

10:06

for them, Capital

Punishment is
decreed. And
those people who
are essentially
followers of
Tawheed

10:12
or those people
who express their
relationship with
Allah and say that
no, we believe in
one god, Allah,

10:18

accept Him as the

One to be
worshipped. He is
our sole Creator.
And apparently do
not find
themselves
involved in Shirk.
For them, even
though they may

10:28

be indulging in
Shirk. However,
what exactly is
their issue? They
are misled by a
wrong
interpretation and
thereafter
committing
Shirk.

10:36

For them, it is said,

that their
punishment is of
subordination. So
the Sahaba gave
them the same
punishment.

10:41
That punishment
has been stated in
Surah Tauba. Its
words are, 'For
them too the war
will be waged,

10:48

"Hatta Yutul
Jizyata An Yadin
Wa Hum Saghirun"
To the point that
they pay Jizya and
accept to
live as conquered
people,

10:58

in subordination.
So for Palestine,
there wasn't a
separate step
taken by them.
11:04

[Hassan] Okay.
[Ghamidi] Rather,
it was the same
step which had its
manifestations in
Palestine as well.

11:09

[Hassan] So to
whom was the
letter written to, in
Palestine?
[Ghamidi] It was
under the
Byzantine Empire.
Their Governors
had taken up the
responsibilities
there.

11:17

And we are aware

that for a certain
period the
Sassanids had
also conquered it.
[Hassan] Okay.
[Ghamidi] This was
the same occasion
11:23

of which a mention
in the Quran also
takes place.
"Ghulibatir Rum". It
was a period of
about 20 years in
which
11:28

the Sassanids
were governing it.
However,
afterward when the
Prophecy of
'Ghulibatir Rum'
came true,

11:35

and the Roman

Empire struck back
to power, so here
too their
government was
formed.

11:40
In different areas,
the way was either
to govern directly
or to appoint a
Governors or
agents for the
purpose.

11:48
In the same way,
like among us
some Sultans used
to govern, so there
used to be some
states which would
be like dependents

11:55

of some King or
there would be
subordinate rulers,
or had some
dominion status.
So we such types
of arrangements
12:02

for Governance
exist in the present
also, likewise in
those days too
they existed.
However, if you
look at its essence,
12:08

it was either the

Byzantine Empire,
which is also
called the Roman
Empire, and on the
other side were the
Sassanids.

12:15

The Qaiser o Kisra

(Caesar and
Cyrus) are
representatives of
these two Empires.
[Hassan] Okay.
[Ghamidi] Qaiser
for the Romans

12:22

and Kisra for the

Persians. The
names of
Heraclius, etc.
which we know
and the Dawah of
the Prophet (pbuh)
reached him and
you are aware of
12:30

his conversation
with Abu Sufiyan,
which has also
been quoted in
Bukhari. All these
are referring to
this, where the
Message
12:36

of the Prophet
reached
him, his Dawah
reached him. The
Prophet wrote
letters. His
messengers went
to them.

12:41

In this way, the last

Prophet of God
gave them Dawah
directly. They were
given more or less
a period of 4
years.
12:48

They could come,

meet and discuss.
The Quran had
been completed in
the meantime. It
was being
publicized.
12:54

This Dawah too

was
reaching the
surrounding
regions. And the
manifestations of
the aid and
presence of Allah

13:00

that happens with

the Prophets, and
becomes a means
of Itmam-ul Hujjah,
that too had
happened in the
land of
Arabia.

13:07

And then gradually

it used to manifest
itself with its glory.

13:12
i.e. Sahaba used
to attack and the
help of
Allah would come
as Allah (swt) had
promised to the
Prophet (pbuh).

13:22

In the same
scenario, the
conquest of
Palestine
happened too. The
Muslims had laid
siege in Palestine,
there hadn't been
any war.
13:31

As a result of the
laying of the siege
by Abu Ubaidah
R.A., the religious
leaders or the
Clergy had
demanded that
13:41
if your Khalifa
comes to us, we
shall hand over the
keys. i.e. with
peace, its
governance will be
transferred.

13:49
Out of that
demand by them,
Syedna Umar R.A.
went there. To
Palestine, there
were several
regions that
conceded defeat

13:56

and were ready for

subordination.
There were many
regions that traded
peace and were
ready for being
governed.

14:01
You will find many
such incidents in
history. Here it so
happened that
their religious
leadership
demanded,

14:08
obviously, there
were Christians,
and Syedna Umar
R.A. went there as
a consequence of
their demand. Post
which the keys of
the city

14:15

were handed over

to him. [Hassan]
Right. [Ghamidi] In
this way, Palestine
was also included
in the list of
conquests by
Muslims.
i.e. the Muslims
out of their
conquests

14:26

had established a
great Sultanate,
and in a period of
few years.
14:31

And they
established it
as per the
Prophecy of the
Prophet (pbuh).
They
demonstrated that
Law of Allah

14:39

which has been

stated in the Quran
that Allah and His
Prophets achieve
domination
necessarily.
14:45

So the huge
Empire which was
established as a
consequence of
those conquests.
Palestine too was
a part of it.
14:52

This is the political

status of Palestine.
However, its
religious status.
That since there
are several places

15:01

with which the

Christians have a
special
relationship. There
the place, the
compound exists
of the 'Temple of
Solomon',
15:09

which extends
over several acres
and which the
Quran calls
'Masjid-e Aqsa'
too. I had said that
the incident of
Isra'a

15:18

which was
experienced
by the Prophet
(pbuh) where he
was shown several
signs too, and
along with it that
Trust,

15:24

i.e. that Dawah,

the Tawheed and
that testimony, this
designation was
also transferred to
him.
15:32

Though this
designation was
handed over to
him. However, the
history of its
religious status got
over with it.
15:39

And now, this was

a city,
similar to any other
city, this too was a
region, like other
regions in the
world.

15:45

The way other

regions were
conquered,
similarly, this too
was conquered. In
other regions
sometimes the
conquests came
through war

15:53

and in some
places followed out
of an agreement.
In some places, it
resulted from
laying down a
siege. Here, I had
said to you that out
of the result of
the siege,

16:01

ultimately, the
people of the city
chose to hand over
of the city with a
demand that if the
Khalifah of the
Muslims comes
down

16:08
to this place and
he himself offers
his assurances to
us, then we shall
hand over the keys
of the city to him.

16:14
[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] So it
was taken over. So
from the
political
perspective, the
history starts with
it.

16:19

i.e. the religious

backdrop was
made clear, and
then along with the
Prophet, as a
result of the
campaigns of the
Sahaba,
16:26

how it became a
part of the Muslim
Empire, those
details have been
presented to you.
[Hassan] At this
instant, Ghamidi
Sahab,
16:33

I would like to ask

you a
question, we shall
take ahead the
discussion that you
have done till now.
When Allah (swt)
selected

16:38

the Arabian
Peninsula and a
Nation was given
the responsibility,
the Bani Ismael, so
now, they
are the Chosen
Nation till the
Qiyamah.

16:46

However, when the

Prophet is carrying
out the process of
Itmam-ul Hujjah in
the vicinity, and as
result of it

16:51
or on the basis of
it, the Sahaba are
engaging in
military campaigns
so why do these
regions in the
vicinity not have
that status as
16:58

that of the Arabian

Peninsula? As in
both the
lands, the same
Prophet has
carried out the
work of Itmam-ul
Hujjah

17:03

and the actions are

being done with
the help and
guidance of Allah.
[Ghamidi] Previous
to this as well,
Allah's decision
differed for
both regions

17:12

Palestine was
given this status.
Regarding its
vicinities, the same
law was stated in
the Torah that they
should be brought
into subordination.
17:20

i.e. the status that

this area is special
for Allah. It is the
center for
Tawheed, there
cannot be another
Deen coexisting
with it.
17:28

It is not up to me, it
is
the information
given by Allah
(swt). In the Quran
it is stated,
"Yakunad Deen
Kullahu Lillah"

17:35

in this land, only

the Deen of Allah
will remain. His
domination and
His hegemony will
be there.
17:41

There is no scope
for another Deen.
And the Prophet
(pbuh) has
explicitly stated,

17:47
"La Yajtameu
deenan Fi Jaziratil
Arab" i.e. in this
Arabian Peninsula,
there
won't be two
religions together.
Hence, after this,

17:54

what is to be done
further with the
newer regions that
will be stated by
Allah or the
Prophet of Allah
(pbuh).
18:00

So, he hasn't said

anything of this
kind. If you wish to
see from a
historical
perspective, then
the law that has
been previously
stated for
Palestine, more or
less the same has
repeated here.
18:10

[Hassan] Okay.
[Ghamidi] i.e. there
it was the
Command of Allah
that the
governments in the
vicinities
18:16

should be brought
into
subordination.
They will be
subjugated. Your
domination would
be established
upon them.

18:24

There hasn't been

any manifestation
of the Law of
Itmam-ul Hujjah.
And the reason
given was that
people through
conquests

18:30

would have
domination today
in one region and
tomorrow in
another region. So,
a region which
Allah has made
special for Himself,

18:38
there if a Rule is
established, and
the Governance of
Bani Israel is
established, will
the Governments
in the vicinities
leave it alone?
18:46

So there it was
made compulsory.
Here, that
way was not
adopted, the
Prophet (pbuh)
wrote letters,
established the
Proof of God.

18:54

After that, those

people after the
process of Itmam-
u Hujjah, were
given punishments
according to the
same
laws, and were
given

19:00

a lease in time,
and as we know
about the Sahaba
and it has been
stated in the
Quran, that you
must accept Islam.
Allah (swt) will give
you Peace.

19:07
and if you do not
accept it, then get
ready for the fight.
Otherwise after
becoming
subjugated

19:14
and paying Jizya
i.e. "Hatta Yutul
Jizyata Am Yadin
Wa Hum
Saghiroon", i.e.
live while
accepting our
domination. These
were the
conquests

19:22

out of which this

region became a
part of the Muslim
Empire, or in other
words, you say,
which will be a
better
interpretation,
19:30

that it became a
part of the
Sultanate of the
Sahaba. Nothing
more was done
than this. Its
benefit or its
consequence

19:36
was the same
thing was achieved
here too which had
been achieved as
a result of the
campaigns in the
vicinities of
Palestine.

19:43
[Hassan] It
became secure.
[Ghamidi] It was
not the present
times.
i.e. the Nation
countries are
established. Or out
of some
international
considerations,
there are some
laws

19:51
and certain things
have been agreed
upon.This wasn't
the situation.
Those were the
times of
the conquests. So
it was necessary

19:57

for the security of

the Arabian
Peninsula that this
Dawah is taken to
the people of the
surrounding areas
and those areas
should also come
20:05

under the same

process which has
been adopted in
the Arabian
Peninsula itself.
[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] So the
Prophet (pbuh)

20:11
initiated this,
Dawah was given
from and on behalf
of him. This
process had
started four years
before his
departure.

20:18
The last brigade
was also designed
by the Prophet
(pbuh). You are
aware that Syedna
Siddiq was
told to not continue
with

20:26

this campaign, so
he said, How can I
do this? To stop
the brigade which
has been prepared
by the Prophet
(pbuh).

20:32
Therefore, the
Prophet initiated it,
and the narrations
of the Sahaba
which have
reached us, there,
with much clarity,

20:39
they state that they
have been
deputed for this
responsibility, and
that they have to
carry out
the process of
Itmaam-ul Hujjah
in all those
regions.

20:45

[Hassan] So
Ghamidi Sahab,
now, Syedna Umar
made his
conquest, after
that, the Muslims
have a rightful
claim and title on
this land.
20:52

From this point,

the political history
of Muslims begin.
What happened
post this?
[Ghamidi] i.e. as
per the principle, in
which this
happened,

21:00
then the empires
used to be
established based
on conquests.
Based on the
conquests these
lands would
become yours to
claim.
21:06

These states
would become
your dominions.
You would even
gain control over
the populace.

21:12

And the provinces

that were formed
with respect the
relation to Rulers
and the Ruled, as
was the tradition of
those times,
21:18

similarly, this huge

Empire was
established and all
this happened only
in a few years. i.e.
if you ever pick up
a map and see
21:25
you will note the
length and width of
its expanse. It
went on to the
continents of
Africa, and Asia.

21:31

The Sahaba
established it and
they acted upon
the Guidance of
Allah. The principle
on which
they established it,
that I have
elaborated upon.

21:38

Now, obviously, it
had to be well-
secured and
maintained. All
these affairs were
to take place
similarly.

21:43
So this was the
Empire which the
Sahaba handed
over to the
Muslims. [Hassan]
Right. [Ghamidi]
The point started
from this.
21:50

Now, what
remains? The
political history
remains.
The dominance of
the Muslims had
been there in this
region.

21:58

You are aware that

till the period of
Umayyads, except
for that small
period when
Abdullah Bin
Zubair R.A.
22:07

had established
his own empire in
Hejaz or set aside
that period too

22:12

when there had

been a civil war
and there were
battles taking
place between
Syedna Ali R.A.
and Amir
Muawiyah R.A.

22:19

That was definitely

a period of chaos
and confusion, and
which is referred to
as 'Al Fitnatul
Kubra".

22:26
In the same way,
during the period
of Abdullah Bin
Zubair, you cannot
claim that there
was one single
Muslim Empire.

22:31
However, it wasn't
long before when
the Muslims were
successfully able
to restore their
empire as a
consolidated and
united Empire

22:40

and as glorious as
it had been earlier.
[Hassan] Okay.
[Ghamidi] Its first
manifestation was
when there was a
peace agreement
22:48

with Syedna
Hasan, and the
Caliphate of
Muawiyah R.A.
remained in power
for more or less
20-22 years.
22:53

or even more than

it. At that time it
was a united
Empire. Only one
Government was
established over
the whole land.

23:01

Its executives were

appointed in
different territories.
This situation
prevailed. There
were several
revolts against
the Umayyads.

23:09

The revolt of the

Abbassids was
successful. When
the Abbassid
Empire was
established and
they took over the
power

23:17
from the
Umayyads. Then it
was a group from
the Umayyads who
went on to Spain

23:23

and established
another Empire
there. Now two
empires were
established.
However,
there weren't many
conflicts between
them as

23:31

these were quite

distant from each
other. That was
actually
established in
Europe. And the
remaining area
remained under
the supervision of
the Abbasids.

23:39

You are aware that

the eras of Harun
And al-Mamun are
periods of their
zenith. That was
the time when
Knowledge and
Wisdom reached
their pinnacle.
23:48

Many outstanding
developments in
civilization and
culture were
displayed. Now,
when you read
your history or you
feel proud of that
history,
23:56
so in fact, it was
the history of that
period. [Hassan]
Okay. [Ghamidi]
i.e. the first era
was the period in
which the
Umayyads
established a great
Empire.
24:04

They revived the

power
of the Muslims,
laid the foundation
of Art and
Sciences. The first
generation of the
champions of Arts
and Sciences
actually started

24:12
getting ready
during this period.
However, it
reached its
excellence
during this period
of Abbasids. So,
this Empire
continued,

24:21

like according to
the Laws of Allah,
weakness sets in.
24:26
It has been said in
the Quran that I
bring forth different
Nations, and when
large empires are
established, and
their large
dwellings

24:36
become popular in
the world then they
reach the point of
self-
destruction. So
gradually the
weakness started
setting in among
them too,

24:43

Therefore, to
narrate the history
of these
weaknesses is not
easy in so short a
time. What were its
aspects? One
conclusion was
that in a period

24:54

in Cairo, or in other
words in Egypt, the
Fatimid Empire
was established.
24:59
Obviously, the
Abbasid Empire
was already there,
like I said before
this, the Umayyads
established an
Empire in Spain
(Hispania),

25:07
so this too was
established. In the
same way, the
different Sultans
that were there,
they would in
different places

25:13

and up to a large
extent made
themselves
independent. i.e.
independent
kingdoms would
also get
established within.
25:19

In spite of all this,

the Abbasid Caliph
would be regarded
as the symbol of
Muslim Power.
Even if his political
status weakened,
25:29

it had assumed a
religious status.
These Sultans too
would frequent
there,

25:34

seek friendship,
would pay respect
and homage, and
would, in a way,
seek a certification
for their own
sovereignty.
25:45

And that was

sometimes as
customary and
sometimes as a
reality was
accepted as well.
So this type of
arrangement
25:50

went on for
centuries. Till the
time, as you are
aware that in 1258
C.E. Halaku Khan
destroyed the
Baghdad
Sultanate.

26:00

and razed it to
dust. You
remember the
'Marsiyah' (a dirge
or elegy)

26:06
"Aasmara Haq Ba
waqt Gar Khub
Abarat Bar
Zameen Bar
Zawal-e Mulk-e
Mustasim Ameeril
Mumineen"

26:14
i.e. "the decline
that came upon
the Empire of
Ameer-il
Mumineen
Musta'sim,
26:19

The skies have the

right to shed tears
of blood or rain
blood on it".

26:25
This was the
situation that
developed in 1258
C.E. However, a
very
interesting point is
that the tragedy
took place in 1258
C.E. and in 1261
C.E.

26:34

another Abbasid
Empire came into
existence in Cairo.
[Hassan] Okay.
[Ghamidi] And it
too assumed
26:40

the status of a
symbolic Khilafah.
In different places,
people were
continuing their
rule.

26:48
When you read
about Salahuddin,
about Mamaleek,
and read
about other such
Powers, all of them

26:57

were in existence
in their regions.
However, a
Khalifah of the
Muslims still
existed, and it can
be understood

27:03
as a symbol of
political unity. And
that Caliphate
which was

27:09

established in
1261 remained till
1517. i.e. not for a
few days, till the
time the Ottomans
reached their
peak.
27:17

They had emerged

as a formidable
seat of Power.
Their Sultanate
was established in
far of places.
27:23

Like I said, it were

these
different Monarchs
who would assume
power in different
places. So the
biggest display

27:30

of power was seen

among them. And
then you are
aware that

27:36
Sultan Saleem (I)
caught hold of the
same Khalifah and
donned on that
mantle of Khilafah
which he used to
wear.

27:45
So this happened
in 1517 C.E. and
since then the
Ottoman Empire
was
established.
During this whole
period, it is 1099
C.E

27:54

in which the
Crusader's attack
happened and
Palestine went on
into the hands of
Christians. And it
remained with
them till 1187 C.E.
28:04

There, a kind of
Christian State
was established in
Jerusalem. It
remained till late. It
remained even
after 1187 C.E.
28:12

In 1187 C.E.
Salahuddin
regained it. So do
understand that

28:19

in this complete
history, which
more or less
extended till the
year 1924 C.E.
28:24
when the Ottoman
Empire ended.
Then during this
whole period, for a
100 years, i.e. if it
was conquered in
1099 and taken
back in 1187 C.E,

28:35
which makes it
almost a century,
Palestine
remained with the
Christians.
[Hassan] Okay.
[Ghamidi] So I
have presented to
you

28:42

the historical
background. Post
this begins what
you may call our
era i.e. what
happened in this?
In this
what happens is
that weakness

28:51

slowly and
gradually reaches
its ultimate peak.
Till the time the
first World War
took place.

28:56
And you are aware
that at the
beginning of the
19th Century a big
change had taken
place in the world.

29:03

The industrial
revolution had
taken place. The
Scientific
Revolution was
setting in. The
Western
Nations who till
this time were
confined to
Europe,

29:11

they were
achieving
excellence and
making
extraordinary
progress. Contrary
to them, the
Muslim Sultanates,
be it the Safavid
Empire of Iran
29:20

or the Mughal
Empire in India, or
the Ottoman
Empire itself,

29:26

all were losing

their sheen. The
knowledge, the
Sciences
29:31

the Civilizational
peak, the
superiority in arms
and ammunitions,

29:36

excellence in
academics which
the European
Nations had
achieved, even its
shadow was also
not being seen
here.

29:44

[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] This was
actually that
occasion, after
which the era of
Colonization
began.

29:51
It was the
beginning of the
19th Century when
this Period began.

29:57

Until, thereafter,
the First Word War
took place.
[Hassan] Right.
[Ghmaidi] The
Ottoman Empire
decided
30:03

in the First World

War that they will
side with the Axis
powers which are
against the Allied
powers. Germany
was on the other
end,
30:13

so they would side

with
them. They were
defeated in that
war.

30:18

So what now?
Now the fact is we
were victors, and
now we are
vanquished.

30:23
So the treatment
meted out to
conquered nations
by victors, the
same was done.

30:29

[Hassan] Right,
Ghamidi Sahab,
we exhaust our
time here. We are
learning in detail
the issue of
Palestine,
30:36

the religious status

of the land of
Palestine. In
today's discussion,
we came to know
about
30:41

the time when the

Sahaba gained
dominance of it.
Post it, what has
been the political
history of the
Muslims

30:47

with regard to that

Land. We have
reached the point
when our era
starts. InshaAllah
we shall bring this
under
discussion.

30:53

And then what

treatment was
given to us in the
land of Palestine?
Where did the
conflict stand then
and where does it
stand today?

31:01
And how we can
find a solution for it
Insha Allah. We
shall bring it under
discussion in the
next episode.
Thank you very
much for your time
till now.
The Issue of
Palestine, its
Religious and
Historical
Background (Part -
3)

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Transcript
0:00
The Issue of
Palestine, its
Religious and
Historical
Background (Part -
3)

0:05

[Hassan Ilyas]
Bismillahir
Rahmanir Rahim,
As Salam Alaikum
We are once again
presenting in your
service 'The
weekly Question
And Answers
Session' with
Ghamidi Sahab at
your service.

0:11

Thank you very

much, Ghamidi
Sahab, for your
time. In the last
few weeks, we had
taken up a burning
issue with you.

0:17
When we Muslims
come of age, then
whether it is about
religious or political
movements, or in
religious literature.

0:25
Everywhere the
echo of Palestine
is heard. Muslims
are emotionally
attached to it as
well.

0:30

And day in and

day out we see
newer
developments in
this issue. We
were learning,
through you, about
the land of
Palestine.

0:38
What has been its
religious, historical,
and political
backdrop? You
had expressed
your views on it in
great detail
comprising a
couple of hours.
0:45

I wish to take that

topic
ahead by keeping
some initial
questions in view.
Please elaborate
on what you said
about the period-
wise development
of this land?

0:54
The places of
worship that were
built here it is said
to have started
from
Syedna Sulaiman
A.S. What is the
history of these
places of worship
in different eras?

1:02

i.e. the
construction of
Haikal and later
on, when it was
destructed. The
Muslims took over.
After that what
happened
1:10

with the places of

Ibadah and their
present situations
till this day? Taking
this topic further
we will come on to
their solutions.
1:16
We shall also
present some
doubts as well.
[Javed Ahmed
Ghamidi] Prior to
this, it has been
made clear

1:23
that Palestine is no
ordinary region
among the various
regions of the
world. Allah (swt)
had chosen it. It
has been called Al
Ardhul Muqadissa
in the Quran.

1:33

I had said that

when this
terminology is
used it implies that
Allah (swt) has
made this region,
this land, this
place, special for
Himself.
1:44

Why this region

has been made
special? I have
narrated its whole
history to you. And
along with it, I had
said that as per the
judgment of Allah
(swt)

1:54
when the moment
had come for the
appointment of the
Last Prophet for
the Bani Israel,
[The last Prophet
for Bani Israel was
Syedna Isa A.S.]
2:05

when that moment

came
and the Final
Argument of Allah
was completed,
then Allah (swt)
deposed them
permanently from
that designation

2:17
For the reason,
they had been sent
to Palestine.
Based on which
this region was
specified for
them.

2:24

And according to
which only Allah
(swt) had given
those Commands
which we now find
in Torah or whose
traces we
presently find in
the Quran.
2:35

If you see from this

perspective, then
for the Jews, the
religious history of
Palestine ended
the moment

2:43
when they denied
Syedna Isa A.S.,
rather tried to
crucify him.

2:48

Hence the Lord

passed the Decree
for Torment on
them. [Hassan]
Right. [Ghamidi] I
had said that
2:54

the Torment was

sent
from two sides. i.e.
one, which is for
the Nation of every
Prophet, hence on
them too in 70
C.E.

3:03

the Romans struck

them with full fury.
And if you read its
details in history, it
will raise your hair
to stand on end,
3:09

as to what they
did. They were
ousted from there
down to their last
traces. The Masjid
was demolished,
the Torah was
scattered into
smithereens.

3:19
i.e. all this took
place in the first
instant when
Nebuchednezzar
had attacked and
then it happened
again.

3:25
I have elaborated
on the second
aspect as well.
Since it was the
chosen
nation of Allah,
they had been
entrusted

3:30

with responsibility,
they had been
designated for the
position of bearing
Witness of Allah,
hence their matter
was not like the
Nations
3:37

of the prophets in
general. For them,
another decree
had been ordained
that till Qiyamah,
those who have
the association
with Isa A.S.,
3:46
those who claim to
be the follower of
Isa A.S., will
always dominate
and control them.
[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] So in
this respect

3:53
this was
completely evident
that the religious
privilege of the
Jews
3:58

over Palestine had

ended. The
religious privilege.
Further on, I will
explain that there
are several other
bases of privilege,
4:07
however, their
religious right had
ended. [Hassan]
Right. [Ghamidi]
As you said that
there

4:14

a Masjid had been

constructed. This
Masjid was
constructed by the
Prophets of Allah,
rather
as per the
Narrations

4:21

in Hadith among
us, we come to
know that Syedna
Ibrahim A.S. had
laid
4:26

the foundation of
the
Masjid here.
[Hassan] Okay.
[Ghamidi] It has
been narrated
there that firstly, he
rebuilt the Baitullah
and settled Ismael
there

4:36
and after that, the
second branch of
his offsprings, Bani
Is'haq
were settled here
in the adjoining
areas. They went
away to Egypt.

4:44

That is the history

of the later period.
However, during
the period of
Syedna Ibrahim
A.S. they had been
here.
4:50

Here he had laid

the foundation of
the House of
'Ibadah' (Worship).
i.e. the place had
been selected.
[Hassan] Right.
4:56

[Ghamidi] And a
place for Ibadah
had been
constructed. Or
you can say that
the place of
worship had been
marked.

5:02

i.e. regarding the

place for Ibadah I
have said that it
does not pertain to
the construction of
a building. The
buildings
come and go

5:09

and are at times

dismantled or
demolished. i.e.
the place was
selected. That this
place is now a
Masjid.

5:15
So when a Prophet
of Allah selects a
place then its
status as a Masjid
will remain till
Qiyamah. [Hassan]
i.e. it does not
have

5:22
the nature of a
common Masjid.
[Ghamidi] It isn't
an ordinary Masjid.
In a
common Masjid,
we make the
decisions.

5:28

i.e. we decide
about a place that
in so and so place
we will have a
Maa'bad, or in so
and so place a
Masjid is to be
formed.
5:34

There we engage
in Ibadah and offer
our Salah. It is
possible out of the
reason of logistics

5:40
or for the general
good of the public
demands that the
place be
changed, that too
should only be out
of a dire necessity.

5:47

Since any place of

worship has a
special sanctity.
However, if the
foundation of a
place of worship
5:54

has been laid by a

Prophet of Allah
and with the
Command of Allah,
then its status will
remain the same
till Qiyamah.
6:00

Therefore, the
religious
status of Palestine
has ended. i.e. for
the land of
Palestine, the
religious status is
over.

6:08

After the
appointment of
Syedna Isa A.S., it
was ended.
However, a Masjid
is a Masjid. Call it
Masjid, or place of
prayer
6:16

or a Maa'bad, or
whatever you wish.
The name of
Haikal-e Sulaimani
was due to its
glory.
6:24

Otherwise, it is a
Masjid.
And the point that
it was a Masjid has
been clarified by
Allah (swt)
Himself.

6:30

"Subhanalazee
Asra Bi Abdihi
Lailam Minal
Masjidil Harame
Ilal Masjidil Aqsa"
Hence, this is
clear.
6:37

And I had
explained that here
the Masjid-e Aqsa
is not the name of
a building, rather
than the name of
that compound
6:45

which comprises
several
acres of land,
which has been
the chosen land of
Allah, its selection
had been made

6:51

through Syedna
Ibrahim A.S. Later
on when the Bani
Israel came down
to this place,
although they
moved here after
centuries,

6:59

then Syedna
Dawood initiated
its construction
and Syedna
Sulaiman
completed this
Masjid.

7:04

[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] So this
Masjid is the one
established by
Allah. It shall
forever remain as
a Masjid.

7:11

Its status of a
Masjid can never
ever be
challenged. And
this is the reason
that the Prophet
(pbuh) has said
that
7:19

there are three

places all over the
world where you
can pack your bag
and baggage and
set out with
religious sentiment
7:29

for the purpose of

making pilgrimage.
One among them
is Baitullahil
Haram.

7:34

Masjid-e Haram, or
Kabatullah. The
second is this
Masjid,

7:40
and the third is the
Masjid-e Nabwi.
Muhammad the
Prophet of Allah
has established
the Masjid-e
Nabwi. And these
two Masjids

7:47
if that Narration of
ours is accepted,
they have been
built by Syedna
Ibrahim. However,
suppose if there is
some doubt in
accepting it,

7:56

then the two

Prophets of Allah,
i.e. Syedna
Dawood A.S. and
Syedna Sulaiman
A.S. have built al-
Aqsa. [Hassan]
Right. [Ghamidi]
Hence,
8:02

the status of
Masjid cannot
change. [Hassan]
Okay. [Ghamidi]
i.e. a Masjid
established by a
Prophet of Allah,
8:09

will remain as a
Masjid till
Qiyamah. It cannot
be converted into a
house of idols. Or
there can't be
other constructions
done upon it.

8:17

It will be
maintained with
the same status.
Take for example
the Masjid-e
Nabwi. It was a
tiny
Masjid.

8:24

It is known, even
now its old
foundations can be
seen, rather that
gallery still exists
which has been
maintained

8:32
in its original size
as it used to be
during the times of
the Prophet
(pbuh). It has been
marked till now.
However, has the
Masjid remained
that much?

8:40
Obviously, it has
expanded greatly.
In the
same way, if you
read about the
state prevailing
during the times of
the Prophet
(pbuh),

8:46

you must have

seen the stone that
is kept at 'Maqam-
e Ibrahim', the
extent of Baitullah
was
till this point.

8:53

[Hassan] Okay.
[Ghamidi] i.e.
along this line the
houses of the
Quraish tribe
would start.
8:59

And to light it up it
they
would place a
lamp on their
walls. Syedna
Umar R.A. for the
first time removed
the houses from
there

9:08
and started the
process of the
expansion of this
'Mataaf' (Circular
Pathway).
Therefore the
Masjid kept
expanding and
might expand till
any point,

9:16

however, it shall
remain a Masjid.
And till Qiyamah, it
shall remain so. So
these two are
completely
separate things.
9:22

i.e. the exclusivity

of the land of
Palestine ended
with Syedna Isa
A.S. [Hassan]
Right. [Ghamidi]
For the Jews,
9:28

its religious status

ended too. For us,
it never had a
religious status

9:33

and never will

have. For us, the
Arabian Peninsula
has a religious
status. For us
implies the
establishment of
the Muslim
Ummah since

9:42
Muhammad, the
Prophet of Allah
(pbuh). And where
does it have its
origin?

9:48

Bani Ismael. So
the Bani Ismael
were originated
from here.
Muhammad (pbuh)
the Prophet of
Allah was himself
from among the
Bani Ismael.

9:56

This House i.e.

Baitullahil Haram
had been
established by
Syedna Ibrahim
A.S. Now this
House is the
Center of 'Tawhid'
(Oneness of Allah).
10:03

This very land with

the sanctification
of Allah is special
to Allah. Regarding
it are the
Commands of
Allah,
10:09

i.e. "Yakunaddin
Kulluhu
Lillah" i.e. forever
will Allah's Deen
abide here.

10:14

And this objective

had been achieved
during the times of
the Prophet (pbuh)
himself.

10:21
And after its
attainment the
Prophet (pbuh)
had said, now till
Qiyamah "La
Yajtamehu Fihi
Deenan". so this is
the religious
status.

10:31
If the religious
status is clear for
both the things,
then I had said
prior to
this that Allah (swt)
has bestowed

10:38

this honor to the

Muslims, since
they had devoted
their hearts and
souls
10:44
in the Path of Allah
and which we read
as the history of
the Sahaba
(Companions). i.e.
the appointment of
the last Prophet of
Allah took place

10:53
in the land of
Arabia. There, it
was decided
that the Command
of Allah which is
usual for Nations
who are sent with
Prophets,

11:04

the command
which has been
implemented by
the Angels will be
carried out by the
Sahaba. [Hassan]
Right.
[Ghamidi]
"Yuazzebu
Humullahu Bi
Aydikum"

11:11

And when it had

been implemented,
in its return, Allah
(swt) gave this
land

11:17
or rather several
other regions
under the rule of
Muslims.

11:22

I have said this

that the Itmam-e
Hujjat of the
Prophet (pbuh),
i.e. the Itmam-e
Hujjat which the
Prophet (pbuh)
had directly
11:30

conducted upon
the addressees.
That we know from
the Quran as well
as from history that
it was done in
three stages.
11:36
Firstly, it was done
on Quraish, which
the Quran has
stated in this way
that 'You have
been appointed for
the reason

11:43
that We have
decided to send a
Prophet among the
Umme'een'
11:48

And he was told of

his first mission,
"Li Tunzera Ummul
Qura Wa Man
Hawlaha"

11:54
The Quraish who
are settled in
Makkah should
have the
Completion of
Arguments of Allah
on them, they
should be
forewarned

12:00

including the areas

in the vicinities as
well. This was the
first stage. The
second stage
started when
12:05

the Prophet (pbuh)

migrated to
Yathrib, which we
call Madeenat un
Nabi.

12:10
After relocating
there, the People
of Scriptures were
addressed. They
have been
addressed in the
first Part of the
Quran.

12:17

[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] The First
Group comprises
Baqra, Aal-e
Imran, Nisa, and
Maida. There the
Completion of the
Arguments

12:25

of Allah had been

done on the
People of the
Scriptures. The
third stage started
when 4 years
before departing
from the world

12:34
the Prophet (pbuh)
sent letters to the
kingdoms of the
surrounding
regions. And I had
said that the
Sassanid and the
Byzantine Empire
had existed then.
12:44

i.e. two Super

Powers
were existing. The
remaining were its
satellite and
dependent rulers.
Some
subordinates or
Governments and
alliances were
there.

12:52
In those times it
was usual that
when large
empires would
come into
existence, then
some of their
nearby regions
would have
relatively
independent
kingdoms

13:01
and some would
be subservient to
them, and some
would sustain
themselves as a
result of
accords.

13:08

Hence the Prophet

(pbuh) sent the
letters to those
power Emperors,
i.e. he sent letters
to the Caesar and
Cyrus as well.

13:16
And along with it,
he sent the letters
to the Heads of the
Governments of
the remaining six
smaller kingdoms.
Therefore, the
Prophet engulfed

13:24
the entire region.
And then as per
the law of
Itmam-e Hujjat
provided a period
of 4 years. In those
4 years, they had

13:32

the opportunity to
come to see and
meet the last
Prophet of Allah. If
they had any
queries they were
welcome.
13:39

Whatever stages
were to come their
opportunity was
afforded to them.
[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] After this
opportunity,
13:45

the Sahaba were

deputed
by the Prophet
(pbuh) that

13:51

they are issued the

final ultimatum for
either accepting
Iman,
13:57

or paying Jizya.
Otherwise, they
were to get ready
for the battle.
[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] And this
was the application

14:02

of that command
of the Quran which
had been ordained
for the People of
the Scriptures of
the
Arabian Peninsula.

14:07

"Hatta Yutul
Jizyata An yadin
Wa Hum Saghirun"
So I have stated
this. What was its
consequence?
14:14
Its consequence
was that this whole
region was handed
over to Bani
Ismael,

14:21

with His blessing

and grace. And
after it what
happened? That
trust,

14:26
the Position of
being the Witness,
which had been
awarded to the
Jews earlier,

14:32

the center of which

was the Land of
Palestine, which
had been selected
for the universal
propagation

14:38

of the Dawah for

Tawheed. That
whole trust had
been transferred to
Bani Ismael, along
with it
14:47
a practical
outcome of it was
that even the land
of Palestine and
several other
regions became a
part of the Muslim
Empire

14:55
during the era of
Syedna Umar R.A.
This Empire was
established as the
result of the
conquests. And the
Command which
had been issued

15:04

for the conquests

was based purely
on a religious
basis that

15:09
the Prophet (pbuh)
of Allah (swt) had
completed the
process of Itmam-
e Hujjat.` Now,
after it is over,
these deniers had
no excuse left,

15:16
When the
Completion of
Arguments has
been
carried out by the
Prophet of Allah,
those are either
wiped away from
the face of the
Earth,

15:22

or they are to live

in subordination.
This is the
summary of that
point.
15:28

Hence I had
narrated to you the
history, and told
you that since then
it had remained
with Muslims,

15:35
except for the
period of more or
less a century i.e.
in 1099 C.E.
15:40

when it was
conquered by the
Crusaders, They
established a
Christian State of
Jerusalem,
15:46

which remained till

later also, and then
in 1187
C.E. Salahuddin
re-conquered it for
the Muslims.

15:53

And then it
remained as a
nation or a region
of the Muslims
where generally,
the Muslim
Governors were
deputed,
16:01

and the period in

which all this took
place, the Fatimids
ruled there and
later on when the
Khilafah

16:08
was transferred to
the Ottomans then
it came
under their control
and till the end, the
period which we
shall now talk
about,

16:15

it remained under
the control of the
Ottomans. I have
also narrated this
history previously.
16:20

I have summarized
it again to you.
Excuse me.

16:30

The Divine Law

which is stated in
the Quran is

16:35
"Tilkal Ayyamu
Udawiluha Bainan
Naas" i.e. Allah
changes the world
order and

16:42

its hands power to

different groups,
by turn.

16:48
The great
Governments of
the world are
formed, great
nations appear, for
them too, the
Divine law is that
the world is their
place of
Judgement.
16:57

Hence, the Quran

has stated it. And it
has said, "Wa Imm
Min Qariyatin
Illa Nahnu
Muhlikuha Qabla
Yaumil Qiyamah

17:13

Au Muazzebuha
Azaban
Shadeeda" That
whichever nation
has appeared

17:18
on the stage of this
world, for it, Our
Law is "Illa Nahnu
Muhlikuha"
Ultimately a
moment comes

17:26

when We take
them to their
death. [Hassan]
Right. [Ghamidi]
"Muhlikuha" And
this will
go on till Qiyamah
"Qabla Yaumal
Qiyamah"

17:34

and this chain will

continue till the
Day of Qiyamah.
[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] Else,
what happens?

17:39
"Au Muazzibuha
Azaban
Shadeeda", either
they face the
severest of the
Torment, like the
Nations of the
Prophets had
experienced.
17:47

And it was said,

"Kana Zalika Fil
Kitabi Mastura"
this is the Divine
Law written by
Allah. It is the fated
by Allah.

17:55

This is a "Sunnat-e
Ilahi" (Practice of
Allah). It has to
compulsorily
manifest itself.
This manifestation
took place
18:00

in the case of
Muslims as well.
Its causes emerge.
When it happens,
it also happened
for Muslims too.

18:07
The torment of
Allah has ended
for the reason
that the
appointment of the
Prophets won't be
there.

18:13

The Prophet
Muhammad (pbuh)
came in the
capacity of the last
Prophet. The
Itmam-e Hujjat
was completed.
And its
consequences
were seen.

18:20

Now the Book and

the Deen given by
him which will now
have the status of
the Book and the
Deen of Allah
18:26
as a reference
frame for people till
Qiyamah. [Hassan]
Right. [Ghamid]
This matter is
closed. So the
matter of "Au
Muazzibuha
Azaban
Shadeeda"
18:34

ended, however,
"Muhlikuha", this
chain
will continue. And
in this, different
Nations would
appear on the
world stage.

18:42

This destruction
happens gradually.
i.e. like the way,
we see a child
being born, passes
through the stage
of childhood and
adolescence.

18:51

After which he
grows into
adulthood, and a
time comes when
he addresses the
world as a mature
intellect like
Aristotle or Plato.

18:59
And then the
stages of decline
come, old age
comes. And after
that as the Quran
has stated "Li
Kaila Yaalamun
mim Baadi Ilmin
Shaiya"
19:07

He/she forgets
everything and
then dies
on reaching old
age. So the affairs
of the Nations also
are in the same
manner.

19:14

When this
happens, its
conditions
develop. i.e. in the
way, we see a
person, we say,
look now
19:21

he/she is getting
sick, the strength
is declining. Now
the weakness is
growing. All these
things take place

19:26
with the passing of
age. Similar are
the stages
with the Nations.
So what are the
factors that
become the
reason for it?

19:34

What are those

things? When
Allah (swt)
chooses a Nation
then according to
me, there are three
things that become
its basis.
19:42

Those become the

basis for any
Nation to remain
on its zenith, and
also become the
basis for its
weakness and
downfall.

19:48

What is the first

thing
among them?
Where does the
Nation stand as
regards knowledge
and morality?
Knowledge and
morality

19:56
are in fact the
guarantee of
survival in this
world. That
knowledge which
we acquire through
experiments and
experience,

20:02

and which you call

Science in the
modern period. Its
foundations are
very ancient. So
where do you
actually stand in re
knowledge.
20:10

The second is the

moral existence of
human beings.
And the real
manifestation of
the moral
existence in the
case of Nations
lies in their
collective morality.

20:18
So where does a
Nation stand as
per the standards
of knowledge and
morality? Whether
they are at a
superior level.

20:23
Or are they at a
moderately good
position. Whether
the
situation is
satisfactory.
Whether they are
on a declining
course? Or
whether they have
reached

20:31
the point of
maximal decline?
All this is seen.
The second thing
is, that which you
call a Nation
20:37

obviously will have

a basis for its
formation. So its
political unity has
to be sustained.

20:45
When a Nation is
divided into
smaller tribes,
each
tribe having its
own Chief. Each
tribe has its own
place.

20:52

Then it becomes
difficult to even
apply the word
Nation for them.
[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] And
suppose
20:58

you keep on
applying that term,
then that will just
be a work of
imagination that
would remain
suspended in the
air,
21:03

you will not see

any of its
effect on the
ground. Those
effects happen
only in the
condition

21:09

when there exists

a political unity
among them. i.e.
they are tribes,
individuals, people
scattered in
different places.
21:15

However, a unified
political entity
exists and the
political entity

21:20
should be clearly
evident. It is not
just a work of
imagination
21:25

which you form in

your mind so you
may think this too
will have the same
effect. That
political unison
actually provides
strength to it.

21:32
Based on it only its
strength comes
into existence. As
whatever
knowledge of the
world you possess

21:39

or the moral
strength that you
have, that finds
ways of its
manifestations in
the
world in tandem
with its material
strength.

21:47

So the
manifestation of
material strength
lies in political
unity. And the third
point is if the basis
of that Nation

21:54
is based on an
ideology or in plain
words, you say,

21:59

taking the case of

us Muslims.
Obviously, we are
called Muslims
because we
believe in a Deen.
So if the basis of a
Nation
22:07

is based on an
ideology then with
regard to that
ideology or that
religion, how
focussed are they?
22:12

i.e. if the situation

there is one of
discord
everywhere. There
does not exist any
basis for
judgments.

22:20

Then obviously,
weakness would
set in. [Hassan]
Right. [Ghamidi]
So these three
things are
absolutely
imperative.
22:25

These three are

the indispensable
elements. After
this, a Nation can
sustain its
superiority.
22:31

[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] When
weakness will
come in them. It
might be in one, or
the second or the
third,

22:36

then it will
gradually start
going down. And
the other Nations
of the world
22:41

need not
necessarily be at
the peak in all
these matters. If
they are better at
them then
gradually their
superiority
22:49

will also be
established.
[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] So, is
this point clear?
[Hassan]
Absolutely.
[Ghamidi] Note
here the third
point, I would like
to elucidate a little
further,

22:58
Allah (swt) has
stated it too. When
it was said in
Surah Shura, that
this
Deen is the Deen
(Religion) of all
Prophets.

23:05

and the Prophet

(pbuh) was
addressed and
said, "It has been
given to you." So
what was said
along with it? "An
Aqeemudddin
Wala Tatafarraqu
Fiih"
23:13

Now be steadfast
to act on it. And
this obedience
should be done
with absolute
singlemindedness.
"Wala Tatafarraqu
Fiih"

23:21
This was stated?
The whole of the
Muslim Ummah
was told that this
can't be

23:26

that this focus is

achieved in parts
to different groups.
"Ud Khulu Fis
Silmi Kaffa" All of
you should
together be
23:34

associated with
this Deen. What
was the method
told for this?
"Ihtassibu Bi
Hablillahi Jamiam
Wala Tafarraqu"
23:42

i.e. hold on to the

rope of
Allah with strength.
What will be the
inevitable result of
it? You will be clear
of conflicts.

23:49

You will be away

from sectarianism.
And you will not
lose focus with
respect to Deen.
What is
that rope of Allah?

23:55

The Prophet
(pbuh) has
elucidated it and it
was made clear
from the Quran
that it is the Book
of Allah, the
Quran. Regarding
the Quran itself
24:04

the Quran has

elaborated that this
is the Book which
when made the
focus of your
attention, the
source of your
strength.
24:11

The Book which

you
accept as your
Judge, whose
judgements will be
accepted by you,
and for each and
everything you will
treat it as 'Furqan'
(Criterion)

24:18
and 'Meezan'
(Scale), then alone
you will be
singleminded with
regard
to your Deen. This
is the basis of
focus.

24:24

It does not at all

imply that there
won't be any
differences. Those
discords will come
under an umbrella.

24:31
i.e. for you, a basis
would be provided
where if at all
some minor issue
comes up

24:37

it will keep getting

resolved on a
continuous basis.
However, if this
status of the Book
of
Allah diminishes,

24:43

among us
Muslims, then
there are endless
dissensions.
There, someone
will hold on to
something while
some other

24:50
will hold on to
something else.
Some one's
source of guidance
will be based on
human
imaginations, with
it the philosophical
discourses
24:56

will enter into the

Deen, and which
will further
add various kinds
of theologies.
Some will make it
as a base

25:01

for the formulation

of their
Metaphysics,
which will result in
the development of
mystical groups.
Likewise, someone
will cling on to
Narrations, while
others will use

25:09

history to form
ideas, so when
you will accept the
Book of Allah as
your 'Hakim'
(Ruler) and as a
'Furqan' (Criterion)

25:16
(I cited these as
examples), then
what will be
achieved? A
singlemindedness
with regard to your
Deen.

25:23
And this focus
actually should be
with respect to all
realms of
knowledge.
25:28

So these are the

three points. Now
you yourself can
see at a glance
that this setting in
of the weakness,
25:35

i.e. I have narrated

to you
its history, smaller
provinces came
into existence,
where the different
Sultans started to
make themselves

25:42

independent up to
a large extent, they
didn't even remain
25:47

accountable to
anybody, they
exceeded their
status as
Governors of a
large Province.
The Mughal
Kingdom came
25:57

under the
Emperors, and
there wasn't
anything of
that sort there.
Although, a
symbolic status

26:02

did remain of the

political Unity of
the Muslims, which
was in the form of
the Khilafat of the
Ottomans. It began
in 1517 C.E and
that remained,

26:10

however, with a
symbolic status for
centuries. i.e. it
has its period of
achieving its
Zenith and in the
last days, or before
it, fell prey to
weakness.

26:21
The factors of
weakness are
these. Which I
have just stated in
front of you. i.e.
gradually the
political unity
ended.
26:29

The real political

unity had existed
earlier, which
slowly turned into
symbolic unity, and
then after that, in a
way,

26:37

that too came to

an end. That we
saw among the
Fatimids. We also
saw it among the
Abbasids in their
last phase.

26:44
We also saw it in
the Abbasid
Khilafat of Cairo.
And finally, the
same situation
arose among the
Ottomans.

26:50
The tales of
Hispania (Spain)
and Andalusia are
recounted by
people and
even today lament
and mourn for it.

26:55

In this manner,
more or less the
political unison
ended. Or you may
term it as the
complete
exhaustion of its
strength.
27:03

The Safavids had

their own rule
earlier too in Iran,
and later on the
Russian Empire
started their
offensive against
them.
27:11

Gradually, ancient
Persia
also lost its
splendour. This is
the political history
in which the
political unity

27:17

was gradually
disintegrating.
Look at the second
point. With regard
to Knowledge and
Morality, i.e. we
had been
in a commanding
position.

27:26

If you begin from

the Sahaba
(Companions)
what did the Quran
say? Allah (swt)
praised them.
"Kuntum Khaira
Ummatin Ukhrijat
Lin Naas"
27:34

i.e. all the Sahaba

(Companions)
weren't of the
same level. All of
them were not Abu
Bakr, Umar,
Usman, and Ali
R.A.
27:40

In spite of all this,

the whole group
was called
"Khaira Ummatin"

27:45

i.e. "they were the

best of people"
With regard to
knowledge as well
as morality. Then
in the later stages,
27:52
you saw the
periods of Harun
and Mamun, you
also saw the
advancement of
knowledge in
Hispania (Spain).

27:58
You also had the
opportunity to
witness the moral
superiority of
people on various
measures taken at
the time. Then the
gradual decline
started here too.

28:08

i.e. the knowledge

too slipped from
their hands and
with regard to
morality, the
Muslims gradually
followed the
course of decline
from

28:17

superiority to
moderately good
and then
comparatively
acceptable. And in
the end what
followed?

28:23
The march was
towards the abject
lowness in
knowledge and
morality. And the
religious unity
ended too. For the
reason that the
Book of Allah,

28:31
neither remained
as the locus for the
knowledge
of the Muslims, nor
did it remain as the
axis for their
actions and
practice.

28:38

This is the
situation of the
present times as
well. All three
aspects became
the bases for the
decline of the
majestic Empire
28:44

of the Muslims that

had come into
being and their
dominance in the
world. And through
them, that era had
come into
existence which is
called
28:53
the 'The Age of
Faith' (Asr-ul
Iman). This
schematic which
Will Durant used is
absolutely right.

29:00

If you observe
carefully, this is the
period of the peak
of the teachings of
the two Prophets.
On
one side is Syedna
Isa A.S.

29:08

His followers
attained this status
in the Roman
Empire. And we
saw their grandeur,
their position, and
the nature of the
Empire.
29:18

And the powers

acquired by the
Christian Church.
On the other end,
the followers of the
Prophet of Allah,
Muhammad
(pbuh).
29:25

If you look
carefully, the
superiority that had
been attained was
of the Being of
God, religion was
the source and
guide of
knowledge.

29:34
And the world was
being governed by
it too. And the
same points which
I discussed, when
weakness crept in
all the three,

29:41

then ultimately
they had to meet
this fate that the
decree for their
destruction was
signed. To what
extent would that
be
29:47

is something else.
It hasn't been with
the Muslims to that
degree. How the
judgment for this
destruction was
made?
29:53

And in comparison
to it
how the different
Nations surfaced?
We should have a
glance at that too
so that we see as
to what happened

30:01

when Palestine
slipped out of the
hands of Muslims?
[Hassan] Ghamidi
Sahab, you
elaborated upon
this point in great
detail today,

30:09

that the complete

issue of the land of
Palestine, where
do we stand in it?
And the factors
that you
ascertained
30:16

for the rise and fall

are undoubtedly
the points to
ponder upon. We
are taking the
discussion along.
We are analyzing
30:23

the whole issue

politically,
historically
and, religiously.
Now the important
aspect in which the
most significant
point is

30:31

where do we stand
today historically?
And to resolve this
issue, what are the
contemporary
political measures
30:38

and what is the

international
scenario? And
what are your
views about all
this? We shall
bring it into the
next discussion
Insha Allah. We
are finished with
our time for now.
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when the Itmam-e
Hujjat had been
donethrough
the person of the
Prophet (pbuh)

Palestine Conflict,
Religious &
Historical
Background Part -
4, Javed Ahmed
Ghamidi [Hassan
Ilyas] Bismillahir
Rahmanir Rahim,
As
Salam Alaikum.

0:05

We are again at
your service in the
weekly Question
and Answers
Series with
Ghamidi Sahab.
Thank you very
much Ghamidi
Sahab for your
time.
0:11

In the previous
Sessions we
learned in detail
from you regarding
the land of
Palestine, its
religious, historical,
and
0:17

political
background, what
is its status, what
developments had
taken place in
different eras? The
discussion had
moved on

0:24

to the sphere that

the Muslims in the
present
international
scenario, the
context of the
contemporary
polity
0:31

and the changes

that have taken
place on the world
stage, where the
Muslims stand in
this, and what is
their present
capacity

0:41
relating to this
issue. I wish if you
could please
connect the last
discussion with
this, and tell us,
you have also
spoken about

0:46
the rise and fall of
Nations. You also
discussed the
factors
which lead to their
progress and the
factors which
cause regress.

0:52

We had reached
the point that the
world powers that
existed here,
which had
established their
kingdoms based
on conquests,
1:00

that era had

ended, giving rise
to a new era.
Where did the
Muslims stand in
this era? And then
what changes took
place

1:06
in the issue of
Palestine? [Javed
Ahmed Ghamidi]
The reason for this
long discussion

1:11

was for us to
understand, be it
the issue of
Palestine or the
Kurds

1:17
or that of Kashmir.
Like it is generally
thought of, these
aren't regional
issues, rather they
have arisen in an
international
backdrop.
1:28

For that it became

necessary to
explain that
when the Itmam-e
Hujjat had been
done through the
person of the
Prophet (pbuh)

1:36

then the Sahaba

(Companions) took
measures as per
the Command of
Allah (swt).
1:42

The consequence
of those measures
were that this land
was conquered
and many other
regions too came
under control.
1:50

I had presented
those
details to you.
Therefore after the
era of the Sahaba,

1:55

these became the

legacy for the
Muslims. i.e. they
took measures
2:01
as per the
command of Allah,
and its justification
too was also
presented based
on the Book of
Allah, the Prophet
had adopted

2:09
the initial
measures for them
and they took them
further to
completion.
2:14

This land was

conquered and
along with it, many
other regions
came under
conquest, rather
we can say, in a
way,

2:21

that the Byzantine

Empire of the West
and along with it
the Sassanid
Empire

2:26

along with all its

conquered
territories turned
into the Islamic
Empire.

2:32
Or, the Empire of
the Muslims. And
then I had
elaborated that it
wasn't that during
this period the
Western Empires
were sitting idle.
2:42

They endeavored
to regain their
losses,
particularly
Palestine.

2:48

The reason given

by them was that it
was a sacred
place for them too.
2:53

i.e. for the

Christians as
well that is a
sacred place.
Syedna Isa A.S.,
from his birthplace,
Nazareth had
come there.

3:02

After descending
from the Mount of
Olive, he had
given Dawah in
this very
Jerusalem This
was the city where
he was
tried to be
crucified.

3:11

From here itself he

departed this
world. Her mother
whom they call the
mother of God she
too is buried in that
city.

3:20
They have a lot of
sacred places
which are related
to their history.
They tried to
recapture it. They
were successful in
1099 C.E.

3:30
and then more or
less for a century,
the Christian
Empire had
existed in
Jerusalem.

3:35

In 1187,
Salahuddin
regained it.
[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] The
objective of
narrating this
complete tale

3:43
was to suggest
that Muslims in
those times were
at equal standing,
rather for a long
enough time, they
were in a position
of superiority.

3:52
And they could re-
capture it in spite
of the weakness
3:57

that had crept in

many places. i.e.
the political unity
had been shaken.
The Khilafah of the
Abbasid was no
longer as vigorous
4:04
as in the days of
Harun and
Mamun. In spite of
all this, they had
been successful in
it.

4:10

In many places,
the different
provinces or
different regions

4:15
or parts of the land
that were parts of
the huge Muslim
Empire there the
rules of Monarchs
had been
established,

4:22
i.e. the people had
become
independent,
however,
symbolically or
from the religious
perspective, a
political unity was
recognized

4:29

in the form of
Khilafah and this is
the reason that
afterwards, when
the Ottomans
gained domination
4:36

they themselves
donned on the
mantle of that
Khilafah. [Hassan]
Okay. [Ghamidi]
The objective of
telling this
4:42

was also to
elaborate that in a
way, power had
been regained.
And the objective
was to also explain
that in those times

4:49

the sources of
power lay in
knowledge,
means, and
resources,

4:55
and were not so
much at much
variance. However,
since the mid
sixteenth century

5:01

a new world
started to take
birth. On this end,
the weakness had
been creeping in.
And I had
told you that

5:07

fundamentally
three factors are
there. And all three
of them were
evident. i.e. with
respect to
knowledge and
morality,

5:15
the Muslims
gradually went into
decline. Among
them with regard
to religion and their
Deen that focus
had been lost
which once had
been their
distinction.
5:26

And their political

unity
had already been
disintegrated.
However, it had
been lent support
to, up to some
extent by the
Ottomans.

5:33
Here since the
mid-sixteenth
century, the
Western Nations
had taken steps
towards
awakening.

5:40

I had explained in
detail, there had
been 'Reformation'
i.e. the movement
arose among them
for the reforms in
religion.

5:48
Since among them
there existed a
hegemony of
religion. A strong
institution of the
Papacy had been
established.

5:54
And it can be said
as I had given a
reference that this
for them too,
was in a way an
'Age of Faith'.

6:01

Religion was a
fount for the
intuitive perception
of all knowledge.
The reverence for
the religious
personalities. Their
respect and
esteem,
6:07

their instruction
would be followed
by one and all. And
the Church was
ruling in the same
way as the
Monarchs were
ruling.
6:14

[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] This was
a
very special
situation in which
changes began to
take place. Initially
what should have
happened? In fact,
the same
happened.

6:22
Firstly the religion
and the office
bearers of the
religion were
challenged.
Religion not as a
form of ideology,
rather the way its
manifestations

6:29

were appearing in
the religious power
was subsequently
challenged. The
movement for the
reformation in
religion started.
6:35

I had said that

Germany, mostly
had been its
center. Post it, the
Renaissance
Movement arose,
i.e. 'Revival of the
Sciences', the
basis of our
knowledge

6:42
and the
foundations of our
knowledge were to
be searched for.
Their relationships
with Greece were
re-established.
Likewise, people's
interest grew with
whatever
translations

6:50
the Muslims had
done in the
Sciences. The
affairs in the
Universities were
turning into a
situation where the
Church wasn't
controlling

6:59
or that control was
gradually
declining. So the
Movement of 'Ihya-
e
Uloom' or the
Renaissance
Movement began.

7:05

And then from the

womb of this was
born what we call
the Scientific
Revolution.

7:11
The scientific
Revolution
changed the world.
i,e. the foundations
of knowledge
changed. Scholarly
temperament
changed radically.
7:19

A host of
inventions started
to pile up. Now
the strength that
you possessed,

7:24

the whole equation

of that strength
started to change.

7:30
You can estimate it
yourself that the
arms and
ammunitions of
today, the war
planes of today,
the naval forces
that exist today,

7:38
just compare and
see. In the ancient
times it was if you
had a small
additional weapon
7:44

or you could
organize the army
better, you could
win a battle.
However, this was
too huge a
cleavage that
started to emerge.

7:51
Then, along with
this, I had told you
briefly an
additional change
that happened that
these Nations
even though,

7:57
look at the
example of
England, what is
it? It is a small
Island. However,
these people
started
setting out.

8:03

First of all the

Portuguese and
then the Spanish
set out and
discovered the
new world.
8:09
We know about
America and its
surrounding
countries, similarly,
you see later on

8:16

that their Colonies

began to be
established
elsewhere i.e.
'Colonization'
process, you have
come from
outside and are
making a new
world.

8:25

When the new

world is formed, it
has its resources,
you are provided
with a lot of things
and you get
encouragement.
8:31

When the
remaining Nations
observed this, they
too set out. And
they were the
Nations from the
West.
8:36

i.e. the Dutch, the

French and the
British
themselves all set
out to take
advantage of this
opportunity. Then
that tussle started,
of which

8:43

this is not the

occasion to narrate
a history. When
America became
independent in
1776
8:49

then we realized
that it was the end
of this world for us.
So the might, the
gaining of power
and control of
regions.
8:56

The discovering of
business
opportunities
which ultimately
resulted in
becoming the
source of power.

9:01

Along with it the

development of
newer Sciences.
So then I said that
this had taken
place in the 15th
Century that
9:06

to the extent of the

coasts, these
people had
established their
influence and
power. We are
aware of the era
9:12

in which Vasco Da
Gama etc had
reached the
coasts of India.
The regions of the
Far East and the
isles in between.

9:18

And in the same

way the southern
part of Africa there
the influence and
access had existed
from before.
9:25

Then they decided

that the affairs
have come to a
close, so the
colonies should be
searched here. So
the British reached
India.
9:34

You are aware that

here
the Mughal Empire
was established.
That Empire
gradually
disintegrated and
in 1857, and in a
way

9:42
the control of the
Indian
subcontinent was
transferred to the
British. Practically,
although if you
observe and see
then
9:48

they had already

assumed this
status in many
places. And the
status of the
Mughal Emperor
had reduced to the
extent that

9:56
his reign existed
outside Delhi and
up to Palam only.
And in the rest of
India, the influence
and power of the
British

10:04
had already been
established.
Therefore in India
too, a huge empire
India wasn't a
small
country, the India
of that era,

10:14

till Burma and

Assam and on the
other end till
Afghanistan. This
huge landmass
was under the
British Empire.

10:21
There were many
countries in Far
East where they
had already
established their
influence. Directly
in some places

10:27
and indirectly in
other places this
control had
been established.
Although the
regions under the
sphere of influence
of the Ottoman
Empire,

10:34

the British did not

have access to
these. And the
Ottoman Empire
was also a symbol
of the
Muslim unity.

10:42

Weakness was
setting in there too.
And this race
which had started,
i.e. the 'Ihya-e
Uloom' (The
Renaissance) took
place.

10:48
Newer ways and
means were
invented. Newer
thoughts started to
come up. It didn't
just happen that

10:53

this new point of

view of knowledge
had a great
influence on
10:58

arms and
ammunition and
material resources.
New philosophies
regarding religion
and knowledge
developed.
11:05

The religious
books, Prophets
and religious
personalities did
not remain the
fount of intuitive
perception.

11:11

Human being
became the
fundamental
center. Previous to
this the world was
God-Centric.

11:18
Now the world had
turned Human-
Centric. The
religions which we
name as Judaism,
Christianity, Islam,
Hinduism,

11:25
instead,
Humanism had
started to replace
them.
11:31

Newer thoughts
developed in
Politics, Society,
the debates on
Human Nature
took place. Its
interrelationships,
effects on society

11:39
What is the
importance of the
human intellect?
Therefore it slowly
assumed the
central position to

11:44
become the
decisive authority.
On one end,
Thought was
undergoing
these changes. On
the other end, the
centers of power
and strength were
changing.

11:53

So the new powers

with all the
abundance of
resources that
were at their
disposal were
presenting
themselves to
the world

12:00

as a force to
reckon with. So I
had said that the
Ottoman Empire
was the last circle,
which had existed
up to some extent

12:06
although the
inherent strength
was almost over.
However, the
moment the
Western Nations
felt an inherent
challenge,

12:13
i.e. there hadn't
been an external
opposition from
our end. It wasn't
that
from India or from
the Far Eastern
countries

12:19

or from the
Ottoman
Sultanate, there
was some step
taken. The step
was from
Germany. rather,
the start was from

12:26
Austria and
Hungary, and this
was a challenge
felt by them from
within. and as a
result of it the First
World War began.

12:33
There was a
buildup of alliances
for the First World
War. In that, if on
one side there was
Britain, France,
Russia, rather
Italy,

12:43

and Japan too was

there and later on
America also
entered in the last
year. On one side,
the alliance
gathered which is
termed Allied
powers,
12:51

on the other side,

the central powers
i.e. the Axis
Powers, among
them were
Germany, Austria,
and Hungary.
12:56

At one stage,
Turkey or
the Ottoman
Empire too joined
them. This is
actually that
turning point after
which the New
World came into
existence.

13:05
Regarding which I
wish that after
understanding it,
we should ponder
over
these problems.
[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] i.e.
when did that new
world

13:11

come into
existence? It was
the result of this
step. You must be
knowing that
Mohammad Ali
Jauhar
had written a long
series,

13:18

with the title of

'The choice of the
Turks'. They made
a choice. They
could have gone
with the Allies too.

13:23
They could have
remained neutral
also. Initially, they
gave the
impression of
neutrality.
However, when
you read history
their internal
matters were going
on.
13:33

Now, do
understand that
Great Britain,
where the
sun never used to
set,

13:39

who had limitless

extents of
conquests. Who
was ruling even in
India, that Great
Britain and its
Allies

13:47

against them stood

the
Ottoman Empire.
In this way, those
matters which
were slightly under
covers,

13:54

that came in the

open and were
clearly evident.
These Powers had
acquired such
strength and the
position,
14:02

and now the fight

was with that! And
Great Britain, a
mighty power of
the world,

14:08
if you see it with
regard to our
regions, it was
spearheading this
whole affair.

14:13

Although if you see

from the reference
of Europe then
there can be a
debate as to what
was France's role

14:19
or Russian role
and later on
America played an
outstanding role.
However, for us,
this was the
situation.

14:26
And in it the
interesting thing
was that as the
war was on with
the Ottoman
Empire,

14:33

i.e. joining the Axis

power, with Austria
And Hungary, the
Ottoman Empire
was fighting
against Britain,
France, or the
Allies.

14:43
And here the
soldiers of India
were enrolling
themselves in the
army of Britain.
[Hassan] In
hundreds of
thousands.
14:48

[Ghamidi] This was

the situation then.
In this situation,
that war
reached the point
where they were
defeated.

14:56

i.e. it started in
1914 and the
defeat happened
in 1918. I had said
that in 1917,
probably in
November 1917

15:04
the Balfour
Declaration was
made. Why did the
Balfour happen?

15:09

When there is a
war, it is not that it
is not just the
battlefield, in the
background, a lot
of things are taking
place.
15:17

So to win this war,

the British made a
lot of agreements
with the Arabs.
Rather, it is now
learnt from the
historical
documents that

15:23
some agreements
and promises with
the Arabs were
made and were of
the nature that an
Arabian Sultanate
would be carved
out

15:29
which would be
independent, once
they are rid of the
Ottoman
Empire. [Hassan]
Okay.

15:40

[Ghamidi] Likewise
everybody is
aware that
whatever powers
that were under
the control of the
Ottomans

15:46
and could be made
to go against them,
all of them were
covertly assisted
by the Allies.

15:52

Several accords
some written,
some were done
orally, some
assurances were
also being made in
the backdrop.
15:59

The war was also

being won. So the
Jews too played a
role in it. i.e. The
Jews themselves
were present
among the British
Empire

16:07
which was waging
the War. They
were members of
its Parliament too.
Some deals were
going on among
them too.

16:14
So on that
occasion, they
made a declaration
that like we are
making some
promises with the
Arabs,
16:19

likewise, we
promise with you
also i.e. the
moment we shall
achieve victory, we
will establish a
'National Home' for
the Jews here i.e.
in Palestine.

16:28
This was an
unfamiliar term i.e.
'National Home',
i.e. there should
have been a state.
A 'National Home'
would be
established.

16:34
In contemporary
times, the
Provinces that
were being made
on the basis
of Nations or
Nation States,

16:40

if you see from that

view then also it
was a somewhat
strange concept.
Whatsoever, in
November 1917,
the Balfour
Declaration was
made.
16:48

it wasn't that there

was some fraud or
deceit done, those
keep happening in
the background,

16:54
the treachery and
deception were
being continually
done. Agreements
were carried along.
You deceive
someone on some
point

17:00
and the other with
something else. All
the people do such
things in war so
they too did the
same.

17:06

And later on, when

the victory was
achieved, they
started to fulfill
their promises.
17:12

There when the

'Jamiat-e
Aqwam' (League
of Nations) was
made by the
victors as they felt
the risk of internal
challenges.

17:22

It was an internal
issue that was
faced due to the
measures that
were taken by
Austria,
Hungary, and
Germany.

17:28

And which resulted

in a great war, i.e.
tens of millions of
people were
affected by it.
17:34

They were
butchered and
women were
widowed. The
complete
European
Economy was
shattered and
kissed the dust.

17:40
As a result, they
had to wrap up
their operations
and functions in
many countries So
was this to be
stopped? At least it
should never take
place

17:47

at least it should
be among us in
future, so for that,
the foundation for
the League of
Nations was laid.

17:53
And henceforth all
these issues were
presented over to
it. Whatever
agreements or
accords which had
been made by
them.

18:00
[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi]
Therefore, they
now wished, as
that
phase of making
Sultanates and
establishing one's
rule,

18:07

was gradually
getting over, like
you go into new
regions, such as in
India, or their rule
in some countries
of Africa.
18:13

Like France was

ruling Algeria or
the way they had
tried in some
period of time to
establish their rule
in Americas.
18:20

That era was now

past, it wasn't
possible now.
Therefore a global
system should be
designed in which

18:25

we maintain our
supremacy, and its
scope is possible
in the changed
scenario or within
these newer
conceptions.
18:32

Now you see what

are these newer
conceptions?
Gradually the
world was moving
towards the idea
that regions should
not be attacked. Its
consequence was
that in 1928,
18:40

it was accepted in
International Law
that any conquest
of anyone on any
region cannot be
legal. [Hassan]
Right.
18:46

[Ghamidi] Any
region,
obviously the
regions are to be
fixed. So how will
the regions be
fixed. After all, they
have to be given

18:52

the form of
National States.
This is the country
of so and so
Nation and this is
of such
and such Nation.

18:57

Now, what will be

the basis of these
Nationalities? i.e.
will it be based on
race? Or will its
base be in
territory?

19:02
It wasn't possible
to separate people
on racial basis.
Everywhere the
people of different
races had settled.

19:09

Take Inda for

example, were just
the Hindus there?
Or the Kashtriyas?
Or just the
Vashiyas? or
the Brahmins?

19:16

So the world had

changed radically.
So based on the
countries the
concept of Nation
States was
developing.

19:24
The moment you
accept this fact
then there is
another
consequence, a
natural
consequence, and
that is you have to
accept that

19:31
if these national
Provinces come
into existence,
then for each
Nation, the Right
to Self-
determination

19:37

should also be
recognized. If they
wish to form their
own Government,
then they may do
so.

19:42
So the
Fundamental
Rights, the Rights
of Self-
Determination of
Nations, the Rule
of the Law and
then Democracy.
19:48

So such concepts
started to be
recognized at the
global level.
Behind all
this were several
thinkers who have
worked.

19:55

Like the way

among us, in
religion, the
concepts and
issues are under
debate, similarly, in
the West too,

20:01
more or less for
two to three
hundred years, all
these concepts
came under
debate, and a lot
happened in them
to give rise to this
new world.
20:08

i.e. the matter was

not
just confined to the
manufacture of
new warplanes, or
the making of the
computers. And
the cameras were
invented. [Hassan]
The Social
Sciences
developed.
20:13

[Ghamidi] Along
with it
the Social
Sciences
progressed with
newer concepts
took the world in
its grasp. And now
don't you see that,
for example, any
person delivers

20:21
a speech against
democracy, or
against
the Rule of the law,
or against the
Right to Self
Determination of
Nations.

20:27

People will scratch

his face (condemn
him for this).
[Hassan] Or if
against the Human
Rights. [Ghamidi]
Or in
the same way
against
Fundament
Human Rights.
The Fundamental
Human Rights

20:33

afterward, not only

became a part of
the UN Charter
rather, if you see
nowadays every
Constitution
guarantees
it.

20:39

The complete
Judicial System is
based upon them.
Regarding them, it
is ascertained that
if any constitutional
provision

20:46
goes against the
Fundamental
Human Rights
then it will not be
acceptable. Or the
Judiciary will reject
it. All these
concepts were
developing.

20:53
So these concepts
and the covert
agreements
made, and the
status that was
gained out of the
result of the
victory.

21:00

All of it together
contributed to the
opening of an
opportunity to form
a new Universal
System. So efforts
were made.
21:06

So when that
Universal System
was attempted to
be made, during
that period the
same League of
Nations
21:13

provided a
Mandate to
Britain. The
Mandate implied
that Britain made it
clear that as a
victor it does not
wish

21:20

to include
Palestine or the
Arab regions in its
Empire,

21:25
i.e. it wishes to
give them the
independence,
which we call
'freedom'.

21:32

As this was fixed,

the Mandate,
which in Urdu is
called 'Intedab',
implied

21:38
a particular Nation
should be so
prepared that it
governs its own
affairs.

21:43

[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi]
Therefore this
responsibility was
given to Britain at
the
international level.
It wasn't that the
System made at
the international
level

21:50

was a system par

excellence. Those
have been the
work of these
victorious powers.
And under it,
21:56

since they had

declared in 1917
that they wished to
make a National
Home for the Jews
in Palestine.
22:03

So they tried fully

to extend
opportunities to
the Jews, such
conducive
atmosphere be
provided to them
so that

22:09

they come down to

this place. At that
time they weren't
many in number
i.e. some statistics
that we have,
22:14

from them we
know that they
were just in
thousands and
much afterward in
1920-23 if you see
there were just
about
22:22

a hundred
thousand of
them. So with this
small populace, a
National Homeland
wasn't possible, so
they endeavoured
to facilitate this.

22:29

This process went

on. i.e. in this full
period. The same
challenge which
they had faced for
the first time

22:34

the same
challenge they
faced for the
second time. And
that was the
Second World
War. You are
aware of what had
happened there.
22:41

There too the

central role was
played by
Germany. Now the
lineup had also
changed to some
extent.
22:46

Now Japan too

became a part of
it. It is known that
Mussolini who was
in Italy earlier

22:52

had been with the

Allies in the First
World War. Now, in
the new alliance
that was forming,
he was with
Germany.

22:57
So this was the
situation that
developed. And
this war was won
by them as well.

23:02

i.e. the way they

had won the First
War, they won this
War as well. And
when they won this
war too, after it,
the
International
System

23:10

established by
them, where the
League of Nations
was done away
with, and its place
was taken up by
the United Nations.

23:17
Now the United
Nations
Organization of the
present times was
brought into
existence. This
was the
International
System.
23:23

And the summary

of the discussion is
that this
United Nations
was neither formed
by all the Nations,

23:30

nor there had been

discussions
between equal
powers. Neither
some principles
had been agreed
upon that these
are the universal
rules
upon which we all
concur.

23:39

Nothing of these
have happened.
These are in fact,
the establishment
of a System by the
Victors of both the
Wars.

23:47
i.e. now such
conquest won't be
in those ways.
Now the regions
won't be brought
under such
controls. 'Those
ways', I repeat, i.e.
we have won over
the world,
23:57

the world presently

had the status of
the
vanquished. All of
it, and the Muslims
particularly.

24:03

They have the

status of the
vanquished. On
this, I had spoken
that sentence on
which some
people

24:09
expressed their
surprise, that 'we
were Victors and
then turned into
Vanquished' So
these Muslims are
now the
vanquished,
24:16

and they are the

Victors in whose
System we are
living. That so
many countries
have gained
independence,

24:23

and this
independence is
achieved by us.
And these are the
Sovereign States.
They are nothing.
It is not the reality.
24:29

There is an
International
System which they
are trying to
formulate on the
principles, the
principles which
they have adopted
24:36

in the Social
Sciences
and Cultural
Studies. I am not
saying that those
are bad principles.

24:42

There is scope for

their criticism,
acceptance, and
differences as well.
However, these
are not such which
have been well
thought over,
24:50

based on justice
and thoughtfully
made by thinkers
and intellectuals,
who have brought
the United nations
into existence.
24:55
[Hassan] Hence
they have kept the
right to Veto.
[Ghamidi] i.e.
these are the
Victors who have
designed this
System. And the
same System
formed then were
the work of the
mighty Powers

25:03
who had this
special privilege
then. When it was
re-established in
the form of the
United Nations, so
here too, you are
aware of the facts.

25:11
Now the Victors in
this System, is
there any Power
outside it which
can challenge
them? Have the
Muslims acquired
this capacity?

25:21

Has any other

Nation acquired
such a capacity?
Those five, they
are actually the
ones who are in
reality ruling.
25:27

And according to
the resources,
knowledge, and
collective morality,

25:34

i.e. the parameters

for the Nations to
remain at the
peak, considering
them all,
25:39

the five powers are

there who are
running the World
Order.

25:44
So in this, it is a
meaningless
discussion as to
who had been
treacherous and
who had done the
deceit. Were the
people been asked
about their opinion
in Palestine,

25:52

or did the people

agree in
Palestine? Did the
Palestinians have
the status of
persons or that
of cattle?

25:57

This is what the

Victors do, i.e. the
previous victors
didn't even bother
asking this much.
[Hassan] They
made slaves.

26:03
[Ghamidi]
Previously, they
used to make
slaves. In earlier
days the regions
were occupied.

26:09
Since a lot of new
Arts and Sciences
and newer
concepts had
developed in the
West. Hence these
Rights to Self-
determination,

26:16

the Rule of law, the

bringing of Justice
through
international
Institutions. All
these concepts
were introduced by
them.
26:22

However, they
were not on the
level as if some
Divine System had
been established
based on universal
justice. These
were the decisions
26:30

of the Victors and

in
them, the status of
the victors have
been maintained in
the world and a
system

26:35

had been designed

for the vanquished.
And greater than
all else and to the
top of the chart
26:41

of the vanquished
were the Muslims.
Since they had
fought this war,
Germany, Italy, or
the other countries
or Japan
26:49

were seen as
closer to them due
to cultural ties
and similarities.
However, the
Muslims who had
maintained

26:55

their unison in the

form of the
Ottoman Empire
were to receive the
maximum shock.
This is the stage,
the stage where I
wish that this
point be
understood

27:06

now do you just

fight with Israel, or
just India,

27:12
or is it just some
affair between
Turkey and Iraq?
All these countries
have been made

27:17

by just drawing
lines on paper by
these victors. All
the countries of the
Middle East have
been carved out in
this manner.

27:25
You are aware of
how Pakistan
came into
existence? You are
also aware of the
formation of many
other new
countries.

27:31
i.e. these are the
World Wars as a
result of which the
powers that were
born or those who
had the
opportunity to
reach the peak

27:39

or those who after

achieving victory,
taking their
supremacy into
account

27:44
and while
maintaining it,
have designed a
new world order.
They have actually
taken the
decisions on the
destinies of the
Nations.
27:51

[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] In these
decisions, this is
not the debate as
to whether such a
decision was with
justice or whether
to call the Jews
there has been a
just one?

27:59
Or was it not
oppression that in
the land of the
Palestinians in this
manner, you try to
make a National
Home of another
Nation?

28:06

All these
discourses can be
done by you.
However, what I
have explained
and said to you is
about

28:11
the fundamental
point. It is a
System designed
by the Victors. The
Vanquished till the
time they do not
alter the conditions

28:21
on the basis of
which these victors
had
achieved the point
of victory, till that
time, by fighting,
by throwing stones
or by starting
'Intifada',

28:28

or by forming a
conglomeration of
different regions or
by forming an OIC
of
different nations,
you cannot do
anything.

28:34

There isn't any

possibility. When
you cannot do
anything, in such a
situation I had
given the advice
that it would be
better that
28:42

the decision that

had been made in
1947 although it
was implemented
in 1948, so I had
said that in 1948
May,
28:49

Israel came into

existence. A year
later, In May 1949,
it was conferred
with UN
membership.
Instead of refusing
to accept it,

28:59
while accepting it,
you should have
made the program,
at the International
level your
leadership should
have made this
program,

29:08

that now how to

turn this victory
into defeat (from
the lens of the
Victors)

29:13
and how to turn
our defeat into
victory? How can
that be done? Its
path is the same
which I had stated
in the form of three
points.

29:21
Actually, that
should have been
the focal point of
attention. Attention
should have been
focussed on
Education and
Knowledge.

29:27

The efforts and

striving of the
intellectuals should
have been that.
What have we
done? Our matter
is whatever stone
29:33

or brick is nearby,
pick it up and hit it
and as a
consequence of it,
whatever we
possess today that
too, we proceed to
lose them further.
29:39
The same we have
done in Kashmir,
the same we have
been doing in
Kurdistan, and we
are doing the
same in Palestine.
On this I had
critiqued and said
that
29:47

this action plan is

in no way fit to be
attended to.
Neither the
International Law,

29:56

Nor any of your

steps will take you
there. These are
actually the
decisions taken at
the international
level.

30:01
To reverse them,
the same struggle
you will have to do
which those
Nations had
strived for in 300
years. [Hassan]
Ghamidi Sahab, in
great detail,
30:08

we understood
from you
in these 5
Episodes about
the issue of
Palestine, its
religious, political,
and historical
background.

30:14
Where do we
stand today?
Which point in
history does it
belong to? The
political
maneuvering and
the international
scenario.

30:20

In all these, if the

Muslims overview
the issues honestly
and realistically,
then what are
those ways which
are existing even
today
30:28

and the solution to

the problem can
still be found. You
analyzed the facts
in detail, brought
us back into the
world of reality.
30:35

However, there are

several secondary
questions which I
would still like to
present to you.
Insha Allah, we
shall be at your
service in the next
Session.
with Ghamidi
Sahab. Thank
youvery much
Ghamidi Sahab for
your time.
0:11 / 38:43
The Issue of
Palestine. (Part -5)
Javed Ahmed
Ghamidi Its
Religious and
Historical
Background.
[Hassan Ilyas]
Bismillahir
Rahmanir Rahim,
As Salam Alaikum.

0:06

Once again we
present
you 'The Weekly
Question And
Answers Session'
with Ghamidi
Sahab. Thank you
very much
Ghamidi Sahab for
your time.

0:12
in the previous
Sessions, we
learned in detail
the religious,
historical, and
political landscape
of Palestine.

0:19

Where do the
Muslims stand
today in the rise
and fall of
Nations? And what
is the road map
that we may adopt
to affect
0:26

some improvement
in these huge
conflicts. We
learned about your
point of view.

0:31
I would wish to
present you with
some
supplementary
questions. And the
complete concept
that you
presented,

0:36

in its light, please

offer solutions to
these too. I begin.
There had been a
detailed talk on the
religious
conception,
0:41

do tell us whether
it is correct that
Baitul Maqdis is

0:46

the first Qibla for

the Muslims. If it is
true, then its
safeguarding or
the establishment
of Muslim
Rule for the first
Qibla.

0:54

Is there any
religious guidance
or religious
obligation which
has been made
compulsory for us
or there isn't any
such thing?

1:00
[Javed Ahmed
Ghamidi] Baitul
Maqdis first of all,
is a Masjid made
by the Messengers
of Allah.

1:07
That a particular
place of Ibadah
has been declared
as Qibla
1:12

is a secondary and
additional issue.
[Hassan] Okay.
[Ghamidi] Allah
(swt) did not make
Masjid-e Haram as
a Qibla.
1:21

It is the Center of
Tawheed of Allah
(Oneness of Allah)
That which you call
Baitullah or Masjid-
e Haram,

1:28

did Syedna
Ibrahim A.S. lay its
foundation for the
purpose of making
a Qibla for Salah?
1:37

It was built to be
the Center for the
Tawheed of Allah
(swt). Along with it,
the associated
rites and rituals
were taught to him.
1:44

Hajj and Umrah

were
given the status of
an extraordinary
Ibadah.

1:49

When we set out

on a journey for
Makkah and we
recite
1:55

"Labbaik Labbaik
Allahumma
Labbaik", in fact
we turn to that
Center of
Tawheed.

2:03

We go there and
present ourselves
as an offering. I
have stated
several times that
there are three
bases
2:12

for our connection

with Allah (swt) i.e.
it is the relation of
Worship,
Submission or that
of honor or
protection.
2:21

That of offering
ourselves (Nazar).
So Hajj
and Umrah are an
allegory of Nazar
An offering of life,
for wealth, is a big
Ibadah. Its center
is Baitullah.

2:34

Now, when Allah

(swt) wished to
create collectivity
in Salah, so fixing
something as a
mark is needed.
This is what would
happen, right?

2:44

Therefore, see in
Surah Yunus, Allah
(swt) tells us about
Musa A.S. that
when Musa A.S.
came and started
educating the Bani
Israel.
2:53

He was appointed
to the position of
Prophethood, he
came to them, on
one end, he gave
Dawah to
Pharaoh, and on
the other end,

2:59
he started the
arrangement for
the training and
education of his
own Nation. It was
a Muslim Nation,
the offsprings of
the Prophets.

3:07
It was a branch of
the descendants of
Syedna
Ibrahim A.S. So
when he started
the work of their
training,

3:13

Allah (swt) did not

start the debate of
Qibla with them.
i.e. He did not say
right from the start,
you make them
ready,
3:20

to face the
Baitullah, while
offering Salah. The
words of the Quran
are "Waj'alu
Buyutakum Qibla"

3:27
i.e. you can start
offering the Salah
while
considering your
homes as Qibla.

3:32

Hence, when we
use the word Qibla
we should be
aware that it is a
very secondary
point. The
important point is
that

3:39
which I have
stated in the
previous Sessions.
That the Prophets
of Allah have made
Masjids in three
places

3:46
by the Command
of Allah. One was
the Masjid made
by Syedna
Ibrahim.

3:53

Which we call
Baitullah, rather
regarding it we
know from the
indications in the
Quran and the
historical
Narrations also
confirm

4:02
that it was existing
even before this.
And Syedna
Ibrahim A.S. rebuilt
it.

4:10

He settled Ismael
A.S. there for its
Custodianship.
This is an
extraordinary
arrangement. It
wasn't
done just to form a
Qibla.

4:20

Post that, you are

aware that the
Prophet (pbuh)
after going to
Madinah, he, first
of all, got the
Masjid built. What
is Masjid-e Nabwi?

4:29
This is in fact, the
Center of the
Dawah built by the
last prophet of
Allah.

4:35

There the Prophet

has offered 'Salah',
given 'Khutbahs',
and it has an
outstanding history
of its own.
4:42

So this was made

as a place of
Ibadah for Allah
(swt). The same
situation is of
Baitul Maqdis,
regarding it, I had
said previously,

4:52
that our Narrations
tell us that Syedna
Ibrahim himself
had chosen this
place. As some
Narrations have it
that

5:00
this too was built
after 40 years. Or
someplace had
been allocated for
it too
5:07

However, its
systematic
construction was
initiated by Syedna
Dawood A.S.

5:12
And it was brought
to completion by
Sulaiman
A.S. Since it was
an incredible
building, and even
the Jinns took part

5:20

in its construction,
hence it was called
Haikal-e
Sulaimani.
[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] So it
was a shrine
5:26

for the servitude

and Ibadah of
Allah. That is the
real status of it. On
one instant,

5:34
for our test, rather I
had said that for
the test of Bani
Ismael.
5:39

Allah (swt) in fixing

an interval of a few
years declared it
as the Qibla.

5:44
So what great
importance does
that have? It is a
secondary
matter, nothing
more than that.
[Hassan] Right
Ghamidi Sahab.
The point is clear.
Please tell us at
this point in time,

5:51
generally, when
the word 'First' is
used, i.e. the
House of Kaaba
which we face
now, earlier than
that was this.
However, the
statement that
comes

5:59

in the Quran about

it being the First
House, "Awwalhu
Bait", so the
House of Kaaba is
the original, which
was built earlier.
6:05

This was built later

on. Is this an
established fact?
[Ghamidi] This
point is completely
clear from the
Quran that
6:10

this interpretation
is also not true. i.e.
Baitullah
was the Qibla. The
Salah was always
offered facing
towards it.

6:17

The Quraish would

do the same. The
Salah used to be
offered with the
same sincere
regularity even
before the Prophet
(pbuh).
6:23

All these things

had existed before.
When the Bani
Ismael accepted
Iman, then the
Prophet (pbuh)
was Commanded
to face towards the
Baitul Maqdis.

6:33
And its reason has
been stated by the
Quran. That We
wanted to see
whether the Bani
Ismael

6:38
would be
overcome by
nativist prejudice?
The House that
has been built in
their land,
6:45

do they insist on
declaring it as the
Qibla or prefer to
act in obedience to
the Prophet (pbuh)
of Allah? We
changed their
Qibla for this
reason.

6:53
Obviously, this was
a Command for
the test and trial,
which was given
for a few years and
after that,

7:01
it was the wish of
the Prophet too as
of the Muslims that
this trial is
over now.

7:06

With regard to the

test of temptations,
it is absolutely
clear that this wish
develops that now
the test is done by
Allah (swt)

7:14
and now the
original plan
should be reverted
to. And that has
been declared as a
sign in Surah
Baqra,

7:21
like the way Bani
Israel have been
suspended from
the Position to be
the Witness of
Allah, in the same
way,

7:28

the matter of Qibla

is being ended and
the real Qibla is
being reinstated.
[Hassan] Right.
The point becomes
clear.

7:34
We move head
Ghamidi Sahab,
the secondary
questions that
come forth in the
form of doubts. Do
tell us please
about the
statement
7:41

in Surah Bani
Israel in the Quran,
the mentioning of
the Ruya, in which
the Prophet (pbuh)
had been taken
along,

7:46

a full concept
exists and we had
talked in detail
about it too. There
a word has come
"Barakna Haulahu"
7:52

the land
surrounding it has
been made
auspicious by
Allah. Is that too in
the same context,
since a place of
worship had
existed there
7:59

hence it is
auspicious?
[Ghamidi] This
"Barakna Haulahu"
is the general term
for the land of
Palestine.

8:06

You will get the

same term in the
ancient Scriptures.
You will find it in
the Bible as well.
i.e. the same point
is
expressed

8:12

with different
words. When the
words of "Barakna
haulahu" is used in
a context of the
past, then it
implies that

8:19
Allah (swt) had
taken this decision
from long back that
this is the land
which Allah (swt)
would endow with

8:26

His 'Barakah'
(Blessings) and
His 'Nemah'
(Bounties). I had
submitted that
when
Allah (swt) makes
any land special
for Himself,

8:32

then the
expression used
for it is that of
'Taqdees'
(Sanctification).
Hence the
complete land of
Palestine

8:38
has been referred
in the Quran to as
"Al Arz-ul
Muqaddasa". And
has stated "Bani
Israel, this is the
land which I had
destined for you".
8:46

[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] This
point too
has been stated in
detail previously
that in the first
stage

8:52

the selection too

was that of the
Bani Israel. That
they make a center
of 'Tawheed'. That
they become the
flag bearer of the
Dawah of Allah.
8:59

They become a
witness for Deen in
the capacity of a
Nation. They were
selected too, The
region of Palestine
was selected for
them as well and
along with it,

9:08
Allah (swt) stated
that I have blessed
it with sanctity. It is
a region endowed
with my Blessings.
In both aspects.

9:15
That it isn't a land
like the Sinai
Desert, where
'Man-u Salwa'
needed to be sent
from the Heavens.

9:20

It is a very fertile
land. So this
aspect of the
'Barakah' was also
there. The second
aspect was that it
was the land of the
Prophets.
9:27

It has had a
wonderful history
for itself. It was
inhabited by
Ibrahim A.S.
Hence, this is the
land where there
are a lot of
Blessings of Allah.

9:36
The Blessings
which were
obvious and seen
and Blessings that
are not so visible
and apparent.
Those are there
too. So the Quran
used these words

9:43
for the reason that
here the name has
not been
mentioned.
"Subhan Allazee
Asra Bi Abdihi
Lailam Minal
Masjidil Haram-e
Ilal Masjidil Aqsa"

9:52

The Masjid far

away. Masjid-e
Aqsa is not a
name. Now, how
was it to be
defined?
9:58

How will it be
known? So it was
stated, "Al Lazee
Barakna Haulahu"
i.e. this is the
Masjid
10:04

the surroundings
of which. What is
its
surrounding? The
city of Jerusalem.
So it is said of the
whole city,

10:12

'I have Blessed it

with Barakah'
[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] The
same is stated in
another place, "Li
Tunzira Ummul
Qura Wa Man
Haulaha".
10:18

So there too, the

same term is used.
[Hassan] So
please tell us
Ghamidi Sahab,
when Syedna
Umar had gone
there,

10:23

and Allah (swt) has

endowed Bani
Ismael with that
land. Along with
the manifestations
of Allah's Support,
Patronage, and
Guidance,

10:31
Palestine was
conquered. So
setting aside the
place of worship
built by the
Prophets
10:36

why did they

separately
construct a
Masjid? [Ghamidi]
There wasn't any
existing structure
which had been
built

10:41

previously for
worship by
the Prophets.
Although the
compound was
there. i.e. this was
the compound
where the Haikal
had existed in
ancient times.

10:51
For this reason,
you see there are
terms used in the
historical record as
the 'First Temple',
'Second Temple',
and now the way it
is stated presently

10:58

that they wish to

construct the 'Third
Temple', so for the
first time, it was
constructed,
11:04

and then it was

demolished in the
days of
Nebuchednezzar.
[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] This has
been stated in the
Quran in Surah
Bani Israel. When
the first Calamity
came.

11:12
There it is alleged
the whole Nation
was ousted from
there. The city was
razed to dust. The
pages of Torah
were scattered

11:21
and it was
unknown where it
was lost. This was
a very consecrated
place of theirs, you
are aware of it that

11:27

it is said about
"Qudsul Aqdaas",
that nobody could
even step inside it.
Even now, in that
compound, Jews
do not enter it.
11:36

And the reason for

not entering it is as
per their belief, it is
not ascertained
where was Qudsul
Aqdaas?

11:42
Hence they are
afraid of stepping
on to it. So they
don't even enter it.
Therefore, this is a
selected place
from Allah (swt).

11:51

This compound
has been called
Masjid-e Aqsa by
Allah (swt). Masjid
is not the name of
any building. The
place would be
chosen by Allah.

11:59

[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] A
building was made
by the Prophet,
they constructed a
new building
spread over the
entire place.

12:04
Tomorrow they
may make a third
one. Look at the
building of
Baitullah. It is
known that
Abdullah bin
Zubair had brought
it all down.
12:11

And reconstructed
it again. We can
do that
even today. So we
construct the
building, however,
the place is
chosen by Allah
(swt).

12:19

Therefore, this is
an area spread
across several
acres. This
complete area has
been called
Masjid-e Aqsa.
12:26

There wasn't any

building there. i.e.
it is alleged that
the present Sakhra
i.e. the rock there
on top of which a
Dome is built.
12:35

There too the

garbage
was littered all
around which
Syedna Umar
cleaned. So, he
did not do this, for
the reason,

12:42

this place of
worship was built
by the Jews, the
Bani Israel In this,
the Muslims did
not do any
tampering.
12:49

That was built

outside. That what
you call Masjid-e
Aqsa is built South
of this compound.
[Hassan] Okay.
12:56

[Ghamidi] This
compound should
be called 'Haikal-e
Sulaimani'. Or the
Masjid of Syedna
Sulaiman A.S. So
now we call it as
Masjid-e Aqsa.

13:06
[Hassan] Right.
Ghamidi Sahab do
tell us, now the
places of worship
present there, one
Masjid was built at
a place chosen

13:12

in the times of
Syedna Umar R.A.
On the other side,
some signs of
Haikal exist there.
Those are existing
there in that
compound.
13:19

These places of
Worship and the
Custodianship of
this compound
from the religious
point of view, is
there any
restriction on it?

13:25
Has Allah chosen
that now Bani
Ismael and their
future generations
will be the future
Custodians of
these places of
Worship.

13:31
They shall be
safeguarding
them. The
Custodianship will
pass
on to them. How
does the Quran
see the issue of
Custodianship?

13:36

[Ghamidi] There
isn't any question
regarding the
Custodianship of
the land. I had
stated in great
detail in these very
sessions that
13:42

this land was

chosen by Allah,
its responsibility
had been
entrusted. To settle
on this land itself
the Bani Israel
were taken out
from Egypt.

13:52
They had been
chosen and Allah
(swt) says "Wa laa
Dikhtirnahum Ala
Ilmin Alal
Aalimeen"

13:58

Allah (swt) has

stated their honor
on the basis that
they were
designated to the
Position of being
His
Witness.

14:03

This land had been

made special for
them. [Hassan]
Right. So
obviously, they
were conferred
with Kingship of
this land.

14:10
They had been
dwelling here for a
long time, and
fulfilled their
responsibilities.
After the 'Itmam-e
Hujjat'

14:16
from Syedna Isa
A.S., this chapter
was closed.
Regarding them, it
was
declared that till
Qiyamah they will

14:23

live under the

subordination of
those who claim to
be the followers of
Isa A.S. The
Domination will be
there on them.
14:30

"Jailul Lazee
Nattabiuka Fauqal
Lazeena Kafaru Ila
Yaumil Qiyamah'
This decision was
announced.
Therefore, this
Custodianship,
14:36

this land, all this

are the
tales of the bygone
era. Along with it,
we were told that
this land i.e. the
land of Arab

14:45

where Ibrahim A.S.

had built Baitullah,
now Allah (swt)
has chosen this.

14:51
This land will now
remain forever, the
land of Tawheed
for Islam.

14:57

About it the
Command was
given, "Yakunaddin
Qulluhu Lillah"
there cannot be
another Deen
here. This only
was
elaborated upon

15:04

by the Prophet
(pbuh), "La
Yajtamiu Fihi
Deenan" Now, this
status is solely of
the Arabian
Peninsula.

15:12

And whose
Custodianship was
transferred to the
Prophet (pbuh)?
That of 'Baitullahil
Haram', i.e. the
Masjid of Hazrat
Ibrahim.

15:20
The matter of
Custodianship is
limited to this only.
The Masjid-e
Nabwi, obviously,
is the
Masjid

15:27

made by the last

Prophet of Allah
(swt). And the one
here. That too is in
the land of Arabia,
this too is in the
land of Arabia.

15:34
This is a Masjid.
The Masjid will
remain a Masjid.
i.e. there is no
question about its
Custodianship.

15:40
[Hassan] Ghamidi
Sahab, when you
say, that these are
the two, land of
Canaan and this.
And then it is Arz-e
Muqqadisa.

15:46

It has a status.
That status will
remain till
Qiyamah. Then its
obvious
consequence
which comes forth
is
15:52

it being a
sanctified land of
Allah, then its
sanctification is to
be guarded by the
Muslims, that its
sanctity is
maintained.
15:59

There Tawheed
ought to
be the only thing
acclaimed. So isn't
it the obvious
consequence of it?
[Ghamidi]
Absolutely not. I
have never ever
said this.

16:05
I have said, as far
as the selection of
land was
concerned, the
reason
for which it was
done, that, after
the Itmam-e Hujjat

16:11

of Syedna Isa A.S.,

had served its
purpose, [Hassan]
Right. [Ghamidi]
They were
suspended there.
16:17

The
announcement of
Torment and
Punishment had
been declared for
them till Qiyamah.
Now, the sanctity
is for the land of
Arabia.
16:23

The injunction "La

Yajtamiu Fi Hi
Deenan" is about
it. It is the Baitullah
for which the
whole affair of
Custidianship

16:29

has come under

discussion in the
Quran. And it has
been told that
when the process
of the
Completion of
Proof had been
done by the
Prophet (pbuh),

16:37

so in the way, the

Final Verdict for
the Nation of the
Prophet was
declared, similarly,
it was decided that
now this land also
holds
16:44

the special status

and now the
Custodianship of
this Masjid has
been transferred
as well to the
people with Iman.
16:50

Earlier also it had

been in
the custody of Bani
Ismael. However,
now, it is in the
custody of those
who have Iman.

16:55

Regarding
Custodianship, a
principle has been
stated in the
Quran. Which is
that, it is the wish
of
Allah that those
people become

17:02

the Custodians of
these Masajid who
believe in the
'Tawheed' of Allah.
Also, they should
keep them pure,
and let those not
be contaminated
17:09

with the filth of

Shirk (Polytheism).
So, these
attributes have
been stated. Other
than this, there
isn't any such thing
in the Quran,
17:15

or in Hadeeth, that
the
Custodianship of
this Masjid has
been transferred to
us Muslims.
[Hassan] Let us
take this
discussion
forward,

17:22
You spoke about
the political aspect
and the present
global scenario.
How did the
different
international
powers decide
upon the fate of
this land?

17:29

When you say that

the International
Community or the
United Nations
have made a
decision so now it
would be prudent
for the Muslims

17:37

to accept that
decision. However,
about that
decision, it is said
to be just a
resolution of the
General Assembly.

17:44
On that occasion,
there were about
57 Member
Countries present
when this
Resolution was
presented and
more or less 33
voted in its favor.

17:52
Even those States
which were in fear
or under the
influence of
Internation
Powers, even they
did not vote

17:57

in favor of the
formation of Israel.
Therefore, how
can it be termed as
the decision of the
international
conscience?
[Ghamidi] The
term International
conscience
or the decision

18:05

of the international
conscience are the
terms used by
people. I have
explained in detail
that once the
Muslims had been
ruling the world.

18:14
They had
established a huge
Empire of their
own. And in that
era, Allah (swt)
bestowed His
Mercy so that

18:21
the conquests of
the whole region
were done by the
Companions.
Hence the land of
Palestine too came
under the
possession of the
Muslims.

18:28

i.e. in their
conquests, just like
it had included
other regions, like
those under the
Roman Empires
and the Iranian
Empire.

18:35

Likewise, Palestine
also got included.
After that, I had
said that when the
Muslims had such
status and they
could have held

18:41
on to those
conquests, then
too an incursion
took place from
Western Christian
Nations. That
incursion was
successful.

18:51
In 1099 they were
able to conquer it
back. A Christian
state was
established in
Jerusalem.
18:58

The Muslims re-

conquered it after
a period of more or
less 100 years. i.e.
in 1187,
Salahuddin
regained it for the
Muslims.

19:05
Now, the Muslims
kept on
weakening. The
parameters fixed
for the rise of any
Nation in the world
gave their verdict.

19:15
Its substantial
elaboration has
been done by us.
And I had spoken
of those three
fundamental
parameters fixed
by Allah

19:21

which become a
source for the
Nations to
maintain their
ascension.
Muslims weakened
in all three. i.e.
with regard to
Knowledge and
Morality,
19:28

they did not just

climb down from
the level of
superiority, rather
they became
inferior with
respect to both
Knowledge and
Morality.
19:36

In the same way

the
demand for being
steadfast on Deen
"An Aqimuddeen
Wa La Tatafarraqu
Fi"

19:43

or Itasimu Bi
Hablillahi
Jameeam Wala
Tafarraqu Fi", that
too did not remain.
Gradually the
Political Unity also
ended.
19:51

A symbolic form of
it was there when
the Ottoman
Empire existed.

19:56
Then I told in detail
about the
occurrence of that
event 'The First
World War'

20:02

there the Turks or

the Ottoman
Empire chose to
side with the Axis
Powers
challenging the
Allies.

20:11
[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] Those
that were called
the Central Powers
in the First World
War. There they
were defeated.

20:16
Now post that,
they are the
Victors who are
now running the
International
System. After the
First World War,
the League of
Nations was
formed

20:24

to run this
International
System. When the
Second World War
started, it became
obvious that it had
failed in its very
purpose of
establishment.

20:31

i.e. the War should

have been
stopped. The real
issue was that
those powers
which had
established

20:37
their Rule in the
world in an
outstanding
manner. In a way,
they were the
Victor Powers,
they had vast
regions in their
control.

20:44
Regarding Great
Britain, you must
have heard that it
was said that the
Sun
never sets on its
Empire.

20:50

So there were
such large
Empires who felt
challenged
internally. In the
First as well as the
Second World War

20:57
and its
consequence was
that they tried to
make such a
system where the
methods of directly
ruling the world are
done away with,

21:05
rather, to rule in an
indirect manner, by
making an
International
System. So what is
the question of an
International
Conscience in
this?

21:12

From among the

many Institutions
which they had
formed, one
Institution made
this decision. And
we know
that

21:18

the Institution does

not possess an
ordinary status.
The United
Nations
Organisation which
was formed after

21:24
the Second World
War, is now the
primary source to
maintain the
leadership of this
International
System.

21:31
There too, the Big
Five, they have
won the War.
Those are the
Victors of the War
who possess the
Veto Power.

21:38

On what principle
the decision for
Veto has been
made? Obviously,
those are the
powers.
21:43

And till now there

isn't
any change in the
situation. i.e. is
there any
challenge posed?
Whatever the
conflicts are

21:51

between whom are

those? It is among
those five powers.
If there was a
situation of a Cold
War,
then between
whom was it?

21:59

It was between
Russia and
America. Russia is
also among those
five,
22:04

and so is America.
Then,
if there are some
signs of conflict, it
is between China
and America. Or it
is between China,
Russia, and
America.

22:13
These are the
same Powers.
Which is that
power that has
risen as a
challenge to them?
That
some excellence is
to be achieved

22:20

in Knowledge and
Morality, are there
any signs of it?
Does it seem
somewhere that
Muslims have
become focussed

22:27
with respect to
their Deen? Does
the focus or
signlemindedness
resemble that of
the First
Generation? Or is
there a feeling that
22:34

we are heading
towards some
political unity?
Nothing has
happened. When
nothing has
happened, then
obviously the
existing System
has been made by
the Victors.

22:43
There are two
possibilities here.
And people keep
putting their
arguments in favor
of each of them.
One way is that

22:50

you keep hitting

your head against
a wall, keep dying.
This is the
methodology we
have adopted in
Kashmir. The
Kurds are adopting
the
same.

22:58

The same situation

is in Afghanistan.
The same is in
Palestine. You
make
organizations, you
try devising some
attacks,

23:08
adopt any other
such kind of
method. Here, the
concept itself is
wrong that

23:14

you are fighting

some local power.
You are dealing
with an
International
System.
23:19

And the decisions

that they have
made, the
methodology of
decisions is the
same. Sometimes
it will be a
resolution, based
on which a
decision is made.

23:27
Sometimes the
Security Council
will make a
decision. Why will
the Victors ask us?
The Victors have
done their work
earlier.

23:33
Now, this is a
system, some
rules are there.
Some conceptions
which
decide. The Rule
of the Law,
Democracy, the
Right to Self
Determination of
the Nations,

23:41

i.e. some concepts

are there which
provide some
encouragement.
Previously, the
Victors
never used to do
even this.

23:47

And earlier, the

Great Powers
even dictated the
terms of the World
Order. Now that
too, has been
moulded into rules
and regulations.
23:54

Instead of
Christian Morality
or Christian Law
now people have
progressed
towards humanity.
Humanism has
now been adopted
as a Philosophy.
24:05
The Nations which
are presently
running the World
System with their
full strength, they,
if you observe,
have all those
three attributes.

24:12
i.e. in Knowledge
and Morality,
Morality implies
Collective Morality.
The
superiority of
Knowledge and
Morality

24:18

hasn't yet been

challenged in any
degree. The
thought that they
have developed in
the last 3
centuries,

24:24
i.e. their Religious
Reformation
Movement,
followed by
Renaissance and
after that Scientific
Revolution. They
are completely
steadfast
24:30

in the thought
which they had
developed. i.e.
we keep on having
intellectual
discussions
amongst us about

24:36

debates
concerning the
emergence of
Post-Modernism,
on Existentialism.
These are the
debates of
Philosophers, all of
them.
24:41

On the
International Level,
reason and
rationality are
taken as final. And
Human being is
assumed central.
This status is
established with
complete focus.

24:49
If you look across
the whole of the
Western World,
rather the Eastern
countries which
are joined with
them,

24:54
there too, this
concept is
established with
complete focus.
The
second condition is
totally present
there.

24:59

And the political

Unison has been
achieved by them
through the
formation of this
International
System.

25:04
So as against
them, no other
Power has any
status whatsoever.
In this, one method
is if you wish to
become a hero

25:11
you keep writing
narratives, or
make an OIC
sometimes, or
sometimes
assume that by
holding others to
ransom over oil

25:17

we can achieve it.

If you wish to do
such experiments
you may continue
doing so. You have
also waged wars
and seen the
result.
25:23

With regard to
Kashmir as well as
of Palestine, you
have done and
seen the result.
What were the
result of every
25:28

war and every

such
action? The
decision that had
been done in 1948
as a consequence
of which Israel had
come into
existence.

25:34
Its area grew from
what it had been
before. And even
now, if such steps
are kept on being
taken,
25:40

then whatever is
their objective, will
be achieved as a
result of it. What is
that objective?
That is whatever
small portion of
land

25:47
has remained, they
become feebler
and leave this land
also. So that as far
as the boundaries
of Palestine, which
is the first stage,

25:54
they are able to fix
the borders of
Israel So they are
assisting in it. In
this,
some sincere well-
wishers are
drawing the
attention that

26:01

this methodology
will not work. The
correct point is that
the decision which
has taken place at
the International
Level,
26:08

it is not under
debate whether
that decision was
good, bad, right.
The Balfour
Declaration of
1917 was based
on the right
principle or not.
26:16

It was declared by
a
victorious Power.
Like the way,
conquerers do.
When Babur had
conquered India
then would he ask
the people

26:23
what is to be done
or not? This was
the verdict. So I
had drawn your
attention towards
this verdict that it
was done.

26:29

While acquiescing
to it, what do you
have to do? You
have to buy peace
at all costs. And
you have to make
your target

26:36
all those three
things, which I
have pointed to.
The day you will
be successful in
achieving them.

26:42
After the Crusades
when the Western
Nations were able
to achieve
them, then the
page of history
turned. When you
will achieve them,

26:49

it will turn it for

you. If you wish to
achieve it before
that then you will
be scripting the
tales of defeat.
26:56

Be it of
Sirajuddaula, Tipu
Sultan, Imam
Shamil, Mehdi
Sudani,

27:01
or Mullah Umar,
write as many as
you wish, the end
result would be in
vain. [Hassan]
Right
Ghamidi Sahab,
you have
elucidated

27:08

your points in great

detail, the realistic
situation in which
the Muslims
presently stand in
the world due to
that event of
history.
27:15

I wish that you

elaborate on
another point when
there are some
squabbles in
Palestine, when
some footages
appear before us,
27:21

pictures of young
kids
throwing stones,
even handicapped
people are found
fighting, an
emotion is aroused
from the religious
leaders that

27:27
the courage and
bravery in that
Nation which
makes them resist
even till now,
27:34

and if the
surrounding
countries also get
together, if the
Muslim Rulers,
leave aside their
indulgences,
27:39

make the defense

of this
Arz-e Muqaddesa
as their target,
then what can a
tiny country like
Israel will be able
to do?

27:45

What can be done

to give a halt this
emotion and this
rationale?
[Ghamidi] For the
people for whom
you are wishing to
get
together,

27:53

although in a
symbolic way,
were united under
one flag of the
Ottoman Empire.
27:58

What they could

do? My
brother, I have
drawn attention to
the fact that it is
the defeat in the
First World War

28:06

which had opened

these pages of
history before you.
The Muslims under
the last symbol of
their political unity
28:12

have fought this

war and seen the
result. Post that,
the surrounding
countries have
also attacked it
three times.
28:20

[Hassan] Attacked
Israel.
[Ghamidi] You
have seen its
consequences.
What happened in
1948? After that
what happened in
the Ramadan (or
Yom Kippur) War

28:27
the consequence
of every attack
was that the
territories of Israel
kept
increasing. And I
am telling you that
if one such step
happens

28:34

on a large scale
then the number of
Palestinians living
there, they will
push them out in a
similar manner
28:40

when hundreds of
thousands were
sent to the camps.
Then they could
never return till
today. Then the
problem will be
over. i.e. when the
Settlements are
created,

28:48
or some further
assaults are made,
for that, there has
to be a lot of
excuses made (by
them). There is an
existing system in
the world. i.e. you
have to make a
case,
28:56

and give an
explanation. So
you attack. They
will
say
"Alhumdulillah".
i.e. after this, their
objective gets
easier.

29:03

It has got easier

because you are
not in a position to
achieve victory. I
have said that if
this victory was
possible then it
would have
happened.
29:13

The Ottoman
Empire may have
weakened
however, they
were united. They
were existing with
full power. It had
decided on it.

29:21
Its territories were
there in Europe
too. When a
Nation decides on
something

29:26

behind it are its

strength,
conquests,
resources, means,
knowledge, and
status.
29:32

All this is there.

Whatever you had
you had put it all at
stake. So what
new changes have
taken place
presently?
29:38

i.e. have the

Muslims made
some new
inventions? Or
brought about a
revolution in the
world of Sciences?

29:43

And now the West

is bound in
gratitude to us so
much so that it
turns towards us?
Now we are
presently living in a
world made by the
West and
we exist in it.

29:51

This I had
submitted with an
ache in my heart
that actually we
had been the
Victors, and now
we can keep
dreaming about it.

29:58
However, we are
now the
Vanquished. And
for the vanquished
and the Victors,
this victory used to
be for a particular
region, a specific
territory.

30:06
The Britishers
captured a place.
The rule of Babur
was established.
The Khawrizam-
Shahi System was
established.

30:12

This System has

been established
at the International
level and the
victory has been at
the International
level also. Hence,
these are
called the World
Wars. So would
you be able to turn
the tables

30:21

of International
Victory by fighting
local wars? Will
you bring about
the change? There
isn't any possibility.
30:26

[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] Let me
tell you that that
person who has
departed a few
weeks back

30:32
or about a couple
of months back,
and has
endured the
reproach of the
whole Nation, he
kept saying this
with outstanding
empathy

30:40

and throughout his

life, he kept saying
the same. I am
hinting towards
Moulana
Waheeduddin
Sahab.
30:46

This was his

outstanding
contribution. It is
okay, Dr. Waris
Mazhari wasn't
wrong
30:52

when he wrote that

the Muslim
Ummah had
rejected that
person but he was
truly a well-wisher
and he was trying
to tell that

30:59

peace is not the

need of the world
rather it is first a
need of the
Muslims! We need
this moment of
peace first and
foremost.
Hence, extremism,
war,

31:07

or the expression
of passions, will
not be fruitful at all.
Our total energy
should be devoted
to achieve those
three targets,

31:15
and provided you
are able to achieve
them, then
previously too,
history had been
turning back its
pages.

31:20
"Tilkal Ayyamun
Udawiluha Bainan
Naas" It may be
that Allah (swt)
decides in your
favor. [Hassan]
Right, Ghamidi
Sahab, a question
of a practical
nature.

31:28

You talk of the

decision of 1948,
when the UNO
took a decision on
the conflict. It
determined the
boundaries of
Israel
and Palestine, and
that city

31:36

which was given

the status of a
Common City.
[Ghamidi] i.e. it
was the decision of
the International
Regime, that the
city will be under
the control and
arrangement

31:43

of the International
Fraternity. It was a
wonderful
decision. In the
existing
circumstances for
us, there couldn't
have been

31:50
a better decision.
i.e. it is a dream
that this shouldn't
have taken place.
Neither Great
Britain would have
been victorious,

31:56
nor the assistance
they received from
the Jews in
1917 in the First
World War, and as
a result of which
they had promised
them a National
Homeland.

32:03

Neither would they

have used their
power to provide
an opportunity for
the Jews to come
there.

32:08

They would come

from all over the
world and
establish
settlements there.
All this can be
dreamed of.
However, this has
happened.

32:14
i.e. the Victors
have put it into
effect. And after
that, whatever they
were offering you,
just have a glance
at what it was?

32:22
i.e. Israel was very
small, presently,
we have given
almost two-thirds
of the
area more. At that
time it was very
small.

32:32

The region given

to Israel was very
small then. And the
city Jerusalem in
Palestine, which
obviously,

32:38
the Christians too
had some interest,
we Muslims have
interest for the
reason of its
mention in the
incident of Isra'a

32:45
and likewise it
having been made
as the erstwhile
Qibla. Hence
for that Masjid and
the remaining
sacred places,

32:52

it had been
decided that this
city would remain
under International
System. All were
welcome to come
there.

32:58
and be in
attendance at
those sacred
places. What
better decision
could have been
made in the
present system?
33:05

There isn't any

Salahuddin
around. And you
don't have in
possession all
those things which
the Western world
presently
possesses

33:11

So do you think
you can win this
war through the
arms sold by
them? [Hassan]
Ghamidi Sahab,
tell us when you
say that
33:17

the decision of
1948, was
practicable and
better for the
Muslims. [Ghamidi]
i.e. in those
circumstances, it
was better.

33:24
What I mean is it
was against our
wishes, and I do
not say that it was
a very just
decision.

33:31

When the Victors

make any
decision, then
justice is not the
concern.

33:36
What concessions
have they given to
the Vanquished?
They had given
considerable
concessions.
[Hassan] They
gave the
concessions.
33:43

However, we see
that
even Israel had not
abided by them.
The boundaries
have kept
expanding. Now
when we say, the
decision was
taken.

33:49
Muslims should
revert back to it? If
the Muslim
leadership agrees
that
we agree for the
decisions of 1948,
still do you think
that these

33:56

International
Regimes will
compel Israel that
it goes back to its
boundary and this
city of Bait ul
Maqdis which was
in the control of
Jordan
till 1967,

34:04

then should we
talk about
returning it to
Jordan? [Ghamidi]
Obviously, all
these points would
be discussed.

34:10
i.e. the original
state of affairs
should be reverted
to. i.e. on one side,
that decision was
made,

34:17
which we did not
accept, the Jews
had accepted it.
When we did not
accept
and proceeded
with the measures
of war,

34:25

then it bore some

consequences. So
if we accept it,
then we will have
the moral right to
talk of some other
option.
34:35

i.e. Israel should

also obey the
International Law
and it has decided
it.

34:41
And see this, that it
is a huge initiative.
The way this era
has changed the
world, and the
concepts
such as

34:48

Right to Self-
Determination, the
Fundamental
Rights Rule of the
Law and
Democracy were
given,

34:54
in the same way,
the safeguarding
of the Right to Self
Determination of
Nations has
International
protection.

35:00
And it is agreed
there, that no
region can now be
kept occupied. Till
the
time you have
occupied it, you
cannot make any
alterations there

35:08

and you have to

vacate it anyways.
Hence our moral
case should first
be rectified, right?
What shall be the
results of it? When
more or less for
about 100 years,

35:16

a wrong attitude
has been adopted,
so with my
pronouncing of it
will we get the
results
immediately?
Firstly, it should be
changed.

35:22
After that, getting
the results will take
time. [Hassan]
Right.Ghamidi
Sahab, while
summing up this
discussion, the last
question, what do
you think
presently, there is
a trend in the world

35:30
that the Muslim
majority countries
are deciding for
themselves and
recognizing Israel,
the United Arab
Emirates has done
it,

35:37
Egypt and Jordan
are bent on this
from before. Do
you think we,
particularly
Pakistan, our
emotions

35:44

and our overall

community feeling
with Palestine is
more as compared
to the remaining
Muslim countries.
35:51

Where do you see

the tendency of the
times and the arch
of history moving
to? The very same
countries that have
waged wars
35:57

today they are

recognizing Israel.
What does it
indicate?
[Ghamidi] It is
actually the
confession of that
same thing

36:02
towards which I
have drawn your
attention to. i.e. the
deal of 1948 which
after some
deliberations
should have been
done.

36:11

That did not take

place. Even today
the people of
Palestine are not
ready for it. First of
all, we should
make them ready
for it.
36:18

The Muslim
intellectuals, their
Ulema, the Muslim
Political leaders,
their Rulers, all of
them should
persuade them
that they too need
peace right now,
36:28

while we too need

peace.
Peace under all
circumstances,
and the decisions
of the International
Community,

36:35

you note that I am

not advocating that
those decisions
are correct or that
they are based on
Justice, or they are
according to our
wishes.

36:42

I am not engaging
in a discussion on
it. The maximum
concessions that
the Victors could
give to the
Vanquished were
given by them.

36:49
After that, you
have to accept
them. You tell me,
the Ottoman
Empire accepted
its defeat.

36:56
The agreement to
end the war was
done in the Treaty
of Versailles. Post
it, didn't they
concede
their territories
after it?

37:04

Is this one region

which you are
talking of? Iraq,
Syria, who had all
these regions?
They forfeited all
these places.

37:11
They became
confined till Turkey.
Khilafah was also
pulled down. "The
naive Turks made
a cut in the
garment of
Khilafah"

37:20
Al this took place.
why did it happen?
For the reason that
there had been
defeat. These
were
the obvious
consequences of
the defeat.

37:26

These came forth.

So I am seeking
your attention to
those natural
consequences of
defeat that we
should have
accepted.
37:32

And while
accepting it, we
should have
achieved peace for
ourselves. And we
should have paid
attention to our
reconstruction.

37:38
The same should
have been done by
the people of
Kashmir, the same
in Kurdistan, in
Afghanistan, and
here as well.

37:45
Nowhere such
wars are
acceptable to the
International
System.
37:52

And when it is not

acceptable, then in
reality you aren't
fighting someone
at the local level,
rather you have
decideed to fight
that System.

37:59
For fighting that
system, what we
need to become, I
don't think that I
need to give a
speech on it.

38:04
[Hassan] Ghamidi
Sahab, in these 6
Episodes we
learned from you
and I
must confess that
with great
empathy,

38:10

you stood with the

Muslims and while
understanding
their feelings,
pains, and woes,
you put forth these
recommendations.
38:16

You also made us

aware of the
historical tales of
the past along with
the religious
background. You
also made us
aware of its
historical and
political
backgrounds.

38:23
The arrangement
that has been
made in the
present world and
where do we stand
in this scenario.
We have
exhausted our time
allocated.

38:28
Insha Allah, we will
again be at your
service, with a
new topic,
objection or
Question and
Answers. Thank
you very much