This document provides instructions for properly evaluating occlusion when inserting a single crown. It outlines a three step process: 1) Check that the crown margins fit properly on the die, 2) Check that the proximal contacts are appropriate using shimstock, 3) Try the crown on the existing dentition using articulating film to check occlusion, but not yet adjusting any contacts. The key points are to fully evaluate the crown fit and contacts before assessing occlusion.
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001 - 02 - Dr Michael Melkers - Occlusion in everyday practice
This document provides instructions for properly evaluating occlusion when inserting a single crown. It outlines a three step process: 1) Check that the crown margins fit properly on the die, 2) Check that the proximal contacts are appropriate using shimstock, 3) Try the crown on the existing dentition using articulating film to check occlusion, but not yet adjusting any contacts. The key points are to fully evaluate the crown fit and contacts before assessing occlusion.
This document provides instructions for properly evaluating occlusion when inserting a single crown. It outlines a three step process: 1) Check that the crown margins fit properly on the die, 2) Check that the proximal contacts are appropriate using shimstock, 3) Try the crown on the existing dentition using articulating film to check occlusion, but not yet adjusting any contacts. The key points are to fully evaluate the crown fit and contacts before assessing occlusion.
what I'd like to do is a continuation of the conversation that we were having about dots, and distribution in load, and reduction in sheer. So as we're looking back at what we finished with, we finished with this shot, which is sort of a review of Dr. Dawson's and may other books is, where those dots were in the books that we got when we were in dental school. But I'd like to talk about, more about the why they're in different locations. So if you look at this tooth here, or you look at this partial quadrant, I have a sixth that's been delivered a little while back, and what you can see is an application of those principles. You have the landing pad in the distal of the tooth right here, and you have a landing pad there in a flat receiving area, and you have a little touch on the cusp tip, and hopefully that is a smudge. And if it's not a smudge, it's something that can be adjusted. Crystal clear on what you're looking at. I guess that's what I'd like to point out. Here I'm using 19 micron articulating film. And I'd like to differentiate a little bit about that, as we move forward. There are things that we say in dentistry, whether we intend to or not, and we say articulating paper, and we say articulating film, and they are night and day different materials. Articulating paper is a paper where, in some cases, practically a piece of cardboard, that has ink soaked through it, or thickly, very thickly painted on top of it, and when you're looking at some of the 88 and 120 micron varieties. Articulating film is not paper. It is either a plastic Mylar sheet, or it is a very thin metallic Mylar sheet with an ink emulsion that is very, very thinly painted on top of it. To give you an idea, non-marking shimstock, non-marking metallic shimstock is either nine or 11 microns thick. Articulating film that goes up from that is either 14, or the next thickness is usually 18 microns thick, so you're really just looking at four, three or four, or seven microns of ink. So, we're going to talk about that. I just want to bring it up right now, because what you're looking at and how you apply it. So if you look at the restored tooth on the six, the seven's also restored, but the four and the five are not. So when we talked about distribution and load, and why that was important for axial load and compression, what I'd like you to look at, is on the four and the five, is where the contact is on the incline. So if you saw in the previous videos, little cartoon animations, you either had teeth that went into fremitus, that is when they hit, were hit by the opposing teeth, they moved. That is fremitus, when your teeth get loosened by occlusal trauma. Or, they don't move and the teeth break, and you saw a very dramatic picture of the cusp fracturing off. What you see is before that fracture happens, and what you're seeing here on the four and five, is you're seeing Chris the orthodontic patient. 'Cause what you're seeing here is a thinning of the enamel, and you can start to see the darkness of the dentine showing through. At some point that dentine becomes thinner and thinner, where it doesn't have the bulk of structure to bring it strength, 'cause enamel is a very, very, very strong material. And with strength comes brittleness if it's thin enough. And when it's thin enough, you get fractures, and that's what you have over here is where you have the exposed dentine happening there, is you start to have the enamel actually shatter, and fracture, and then you have the dentine exposed. Once the dentine is exposed, dentine will wear 10 times, potentially, faster than enamel. And the dentine will cup out, even ahead of the contact, and then at that point, as that continues, you have these walls of unsupported enamel that shatter and break off. So, in the absence of an acute, traumatic, blunt fracture, of biting on a rock, or getting hit in the face with a cricket bat, what you're usually doing, as I said, at the beginning of the morning, is this progressive cyclic failure. You're progressively stressing a very strong and brittle material, until it wears, until it shatters, until it's unsupported, and then it breaks. So when we look at that, you have preferable contents, which are axially loaded, that bring in the greatest strength in the material, or you have inclines, which you would think are loading contacts, but actually are instantaneous, sheer contacts. And that is where we start to see the material failure of the natural dentition. So that begs the question is, what do you see, and what are you going to do about it? What do you see, and what are you going to do about it? There's a famous clinician in the states, years ago, passed away a number of years ago, Dr. Henry Tanner. He says, "We treat what we see, we know, "so what do you see?" And I will ask you here, what are you going to adjust? 'Cause you have blue everywhere. You have blue in the central loading area, you have blue up the buckle inclines, you have blue down the palatal inclines. And when we were back at Marquette University with Dr. Pry, Dr. Pry said grind all the blue spots, GABS. It's a joke, but that's how we were taught occlusion. It was take away whatever is touching. We were literally taught to adust teeth out of occlusion that we restored. Why do we do that and why did it work? Because we were one-tooth dentists, and we took them lightly out of occlusion, so that they could magically float into occlusion and be in the right spot. That is the disconnect in all of our occlusal studies, is that we were taught how to make teeth touch, and then we wiped them out, and we just hoped that they, when they started to touch again, that they would be in the wrong spot, and that is the dirty little secret of the occlusion that we learned in dental school and how we applied it. So I'd like to move past that, and past grinding all the blue spots, and I'd like to talk about inserting a single crown. Because inserting a single crown can be a one-tooth rehabilitation, and we're one-toothodontists, or you're a full-mouth rehabilitationist, and this is where you start checking. Because if you're doing 28 crowns, or let's say 14, or six, the first thing you do is not throw in 28 crowns, or 14, or six crowns and check the occlusion. You put in one, and then you put in another. Or you either put in one, check it, you take that one out, you check the next one, if you have an existing occlusal stop. So if I'm doing maybe four and five, I take off my temporaries, I put in four, I see how it fits, I take it out. I put in five, I see how it fits, and take it out. What I'd like to show you is a refinement, a high-level refinement of that process. Because this is where accuracy in occlusion starts, is understanding how to insert a crown. Because we put said crown in the mouth, we put a piece of articulating film in, and we get some dots. The only thing those dots tell us is if that crown is hitting. It doesn't tell us if it's high, or how high it is. So the protocol that I like to approach, is when I have a patient back, and we can do the same thing with a direct restoration, but here we're going to talk about indirect application, is when you have a patient back, and they've been in a provisional crown, you take the provisional crown off, and you try in the articulating film on the existing dentition. But, there's a step before that, and if I could, take a moment to rewind. Because the first step of checking occlusion is not checking occlusion. The first step of checking occlusion, there are three steps. The first step is you check your margins. Because if you don't know that the crown fits the margin, you can't evaluate the fit in the mouth, or on a solid die. So the first thing I do, when I get a restoration back from the lab, is I take the die pin out, and I try the crown on the die pin. And I can rotate it around, and I can look at the mesial margin, the distal margin, the lingual margin, so on and so forth. I need to know that, because that's an end-point in the crown going in. So the second part of checking occlusion, is not checking occlusion. The second part of occlusion, checking occlusion, is checking proximal contacts, 'cause now you know on a die model that a crown fits. Now you need to put the die model, or using a solid model, and you need to put the crown onto that, and you need to be able to see that those margins fit once again. Not only do they fit, but your proximal contacts are how you like them. Do you put a pice of shimstock in there? It just flies out. You hold it up to the sunlight, and you can see that there's a millimeter gap in there. We're not even ready to check occlusion, because their fit is not acceptable. Open contact, that goes back to the lab. We need better contacts, or if we have our own porcelain oven in-house. Second one, is I try to put that crown on there and it's too tight, and I can see that the margins are open. I'm not ready to check occlusion. I need to adjust proximal contacts. My personal preference is I put non-marking shimstock in, I seat the crown, and that's on the mesial. It tugs, but it slides. That is, it will hold with friction, but it will slide out. What your personal preference is, whatever yours is. You're like, "No, I like mine to hold, "and not slide out." Well, we're talking a difference of probably three or four microns. It's really whether you like to push your crown in a little hard, or you like it to sit seat down without it. Regardless of that, when I do seat it in the mouth, I do like to have some nice floss snap. However you get there, you're all experienced clinicians, I'll leave that one up to you. But, we have evaluation one, margins, we've evaluated two, proximal contacts. Now we're ready to check occlusion on the crown. And the first thing we do in checking occlusion on the crown is still not checking occlusion on the crown, is checking occlusion on the other teeth that hit without the crown in the mouth. Because if you do not know what the teeth hit like without the crown in, you will not be able to know what you want to get to once you seat the crown. So when we put that articulating paper in, I get two red dots. And by that, I am specific that that articulating film is red. And there is an efficiency reason to that approach, because black will overwrite red, but red will not overwrite black. And I'll show you what I mean by that. So the next thing that I do, is I finally, finally you can put the crown in. Put the crown in, and then using black or blue, whatever color your film is, you put that in the same place that you put your red articulating film previously. And you can end up with a couple of different scenarios. If I had red marks here, and I had red marks here, and I put that crown in, and I get black or blue overwriting the red, the next thing I do, is I look over at the crown. Is the black or blue overwriting the red on the crown? Because if I'm hitting here, and I'm hitting here, and the black or blue is overwriting the red, I'm hitting in the same places with the crown in and out, within 19 microns. For me that's ready to go to the clinic. What I can also do, if I want to get real picky about it, then I can put in, with the crown out, I can put nine microns shimstock here, and feel tug tug. Put the crown in, put nine micron shimstock here. Do I still feel tug or I feel slide? Because if I marked it 19, but I slide with nine micron shimstock, I know that I potentially have 10 microns of adjusting. I know that this may sound obsessive to you if you haven't thought about this before, or thought about this approach. But I'll tell ya, and I'm betting there are some people in the room that have been there. I've been there before, and I'm going to be there again. You go through a about of lack of self-confidence. And I don't know whether it's you, or your impression material, or your lab. And it's not a full-mouth rehabilitation you're delivering, or a quadrant, it's one single crown. And you literally just start to feel ill. And you're going through a bad about with your lab tech, or your impression material, or something is going wrong that you don't know, and you are just regretting walking into that operatory. This can take that stomach acid, put it on the side shelf, go, "Okay, give me a minute with myself. "Does this fit? "Yes it does." Now I have a higher level of confidence before I take this to the patient. So what the benefit is, I feel better here, I have less stress here, and I have more confidence here. 'Cause as I said, the benefits of occlusion, there are three great benefits of occlusion, is you can walk into that operatory with confidence. You can walk out of that operatory with confidence that your restorations are not going to break. And the third thing, and the most important thing that stays intact in that scenario, is your reputation with your patient. Because when you come in with confidence, deliver in confidence, look 'em in the eye and say, "This is going to work well," they feed on all of those things with you. And they talk far more about how you made them feel and the comfort that you brought across, than the technical dentistry that you do. People care far more about how you make them feel than the technical dentistry that you provide. So scenario two, what if you've gone through that crown try-in process of how it fits without, but how you've tried in, and the red dots are still over here, but there's no black that's overwriting them? And all of those black dots are only on the crown. Now you know that crown is high. So what you can do, and what you need to figure out is, how high is that crown? So now I can take the 19 micron shimstock and come over here. Does it hold? Nope. I double it, and it becomes 38 micron shimstock, and it holds. Ah, I'm only 19 microns off. I can adjust that. That's pretty easy to do so with a polishing point. What if that was 72 microns? What if that was 144 microns? What if that was 288 microns that you had to put 10, 20 pieces of articulating film between here, until this tooth held, when you're in contact with the crown? That might be the time to say, "You know what? "This is not the day to deliver this crown. "This is the day to send the crown back." Because I'm sure we've all been there, and you're in there in the op, and you check it, and it's high, and we start backwards, right? Ah, it just needs a little polishing point. Polishing point becomes a red striper, and at some point you're frustrated, and you bring out that big, huge, black extra-coarse diamond, and you start wiping it out, out of frustration, and you realize that this no longer looks anything like a tooth, and you have to send the crown back to the lab to be restacked. This is a process and this is the protocol that helps you avoid that. So it could be two strips, it could be three strips. So the other one that I brought up, and I'd already mentioned this. What if you get your black dots over the red dots here, but you don't get them on your restoration? Same thing, one strip doesn't hold. Two strips, it does, 19 microns, I'm pretty okay with that. I think I'll deliver that crown that day. What if it's 38? What if it's 72? What if it's that gold crown that you could visually see at the beginning of the morning is one to two millimeters out of occlusion? That's the one, if you can just take this two minutes of protocol, of checking your laboratory cases into the lab, you can avoid all of that frustration chairside. You can help avoid that stress that you're feeling in your stomach. You can avoid damaging your reputation with your patient. Because broken restorations can be fixed. Broken reputations are far, far more difficult to correct, and in many cases, that would be the time that the patient actually leaves the practice. So looking at these, whether it's a one-tooth application, two-tooth application, three-tooth application, quadrant, full-mouth, what have you, it's a simple protocol to approach to evaluate your occlusion. So when we look at different articulating films and articulating papers, that are commercially available on the market, this is something that I see all over the place. I see this on different Facebook groups, and I see this in different lectures, and we check the occlusion. And, not trying to be too cheeky, but what are they checking the occlusion for? That we can put a whole mess of ink all over the tooth and not know what to adjust. So that's 88 microns. That's 63 microns. It still looks pretty similar. That's 19 microns. What you're looking at, I want to back those two up. That's 88, that's 63, and you're confused about what to touch, and that's 19. That is the same crown, that is the same articulator, that is the same mounting. Materials matter when you're evaluating your occlusion. So when we look at this, and you get this back from the lab, and you evaluate it, there's one other one that I'll toss into the mix for you, which I don't know if you have heard about. Have any of you heard of white articulating film? This is eight micron white articulating film. It's from Bausch. It is absolutely lovely for using over gold crowns. You know how when you're looking at gold crowns, you try to put black on there, and the light is so shiny, you can't actually see the black mark even though it's there? Sometimes you have to take it out of the mouth, and you have to turn it around, because all those reflections look like black marks? Well, there's a little bit of a difference in black and red, and it's not just the color. It's the nature of the emulsion that black actually marks easier than red does on smooth surfaces. I've talked to the engineers at Bausch, and they've explained why that is to me. And not only can't I remember it, I never understood it to begin with. But I'll accept it that there are people that are smarter than me on the planet, and the Bausch engineers are some of those people, and I will pass that one I told you so, on from the patient. So if you look at what I'm showing you there, is this is that flat receiving area landing pad, that's that flat receiving area landing pad. There's a little bit of one there. I could probably take that smudge off the incline, and I've easily achieved what I want very quickly, because I'm using materials that are accurate enough to show me what I'm looking at, and not putting GABS, not putting blue spots all over the occlusion and having me guessing. And that's where our confusion began, and I'll go back to dental school. And I'm not busting on dental school, and I'm not busting on our dental school professors. We just did not have a long enough time to explore all the clinical applications, and we did not have failure that went along with it, for us to appreciate the lessons that we were learning. So when we look at the, and when we look at all these different colors, and how they got tossed on there. Give you a look again, and these are the materials that I use in my clinic. So I use 19 micron black, I use 19 micron red. Both of them mark on both sides. And then I have 11 micron shimstock, which is non-marking. So if you look down here at the bottom, what you're looking at is 18 or 19, 37, 63, and 88. So you are looking at just a try-in of one patient. But I want to have you look at that in full arch application. I just grabbed a random patient here, and said do you mind if I put ink all over your face and take a couple of shots? They said, "Sure no problem. "That's what I was expecting today." So, there's 19, 37, 63, 88. That is not diagramatic. That is a pure representation of the differences between thicknesses. So in the size, if that top piece of green strip up there, it measures 19 whatevers tall on my slide, the next thing measures 37 whatevers tall, 63 whatevers tall, and 88 whatevers tall. If you have any of these materials in your clinic, try 'em in your mouth next time you go home. Just put in whatever you use, and double it. If you use film, double that, and you can keep walking up. And compare the differences in those two, and you realize that sometimes your other teeth just aren't not touching. You'll also notice a fairly significant shift the thicker the paper is, because when you get up to papers that are honestly 88, 128, 144, there are materials on the market that go up to 240 microns. 240 microns. That's like putting well over 10 pieces of articulating film in your mouth, and close, tap tap, and see how that feels. So here is 37, here is 63, and there is 88. And that is the difference between knowing what you're looking at and having the confidence to knowing what you're adjusting. So it may seem like a silly thing to come into an occlusion lecture and have to be retaught about articulating film versus articulating paper, but as Dr. Tanner said, "We treat what we see, "we see what we know, so what do you see?" We need to recalibrate all of you for what you're using. If I could give you one thing to take home tomorrow. Well not tomorrow, the day after. Not the day after that, Saturday, unless you're working on Saturday. Whenever you go back to the clinic, use something so that you know what the heck you're looking at so that you're not guessing, like I was with Dr. Pry, whether which parts of those teeth were even occluding, and which part of those teeth were even adjusted. 19, 37, in this case 55, and in this case 88. Jumps up quite, quite quickly. 19, 37, 55, 88. So I think I pounded that to death a little bit. So let's do a little bit more. Here is the case and application. Case comes back from the lab, whether it's a full arch impression, or whether it's a triple tray. And what I do is I take my red shimstock, a red articulating film rather, and if this is a one-tooth case, I don't care which arch the crown is on, that arch goes on the bench top. Because if you're restoring a one six or a two six, and you put the crown on, it's going to fall off or it's going to be loose. I know it seems obvious, but it's the little steps that matter. So if you're doin' that one six or three six, just turn the articulater upside down. Second step, do not, do not do this. (clapping hard and loud) There are two reasons, one, you're going to smash your stone, and the other thing is articulating film and articulating paper react differently. Articulating film is on a piece of plastic that stretches. That ink is not impregnated within the material, it's painted over it. If you bang, bang, bang, you will actually shatter the emulsion and it will splatter everywhere. The other thing you don't want to do is hold it together and pull. You will do the same thing. You will actually stretch the Mylar, and you will get splashes everywhere. So even though you think you're being accurate at 19 microns, you've actually just erased that accuracy because you've pulled on that and you have dropped the ink. All right, so a couple things I don't want you to do. I don't want you to bang bang your models together, because you're either going to splash the emulsion or you're going to break your model, okay? All that accuracy that you've been striving for, if you slam your stone together, you're going to shatter the stone, and your accuracy goes out the window. And I also said I don't want you tugging on it. So what I want you to do, is I want you to put the articulating film on there, put the models together, and give 'em just a squeeze. Just one squeeze is all you need. And what you get, is you get marks wherever marks are. So next what we're going to do, is we're going to go ahead and put the crown onto the model here, and we're going to give it a squeeze. And what you see is the landing pad. So sometimes the landing pad is very specific anatomically. Here, we have a bit of a worn dentition in the posterior. It's not real pretty anatomy. And the thing about where these landing pads should be, all dental anatomy is based on dead white guys. It is. All of the dental anatomy studies that you see are based out of the UK, specifically Scotland, where they studied corpses. They either dug them up or, as Jeanine and I had a wonderful visit there last time, there was quite a black market for killing people. They literally had tunnels from the poor part of town through the alley ways that led to the medical school. And there's a very dark part of Scotland, but they do talk about it today. But anyway, when you're talking about Bonwill's Triangle, or you're talking about Monson's Sphere, or you're talking about class one and class two occlusion, and you're talking about facial heights, you can look around this room, between all different backgrounds of Caucasian, Asian, Indian, what have you, and all of us have different facial thirds. But all of the dental anatomic norms were based off white Anglo-Saxon. So, all that being said, not everyone is class one regardless of what I heard it should come from. Sometimes teeth are rotated. Sometimes teeth are tipped. And that's why understanding the why is more important than the how. You're like, "Oh what, this contact "isn't on the mesial marginal ridge like Mike said, "and like Dr. Dawson said." Well there's no opposing cusp that you can put there. It's about finding a flat receiving area, regardless of where that opposing cusp is. So if you look at this here, you can see that I developed, or Lucas developed, a very, very broad landing pad, and as you look at it from the proximal, you can see while we do have very basic anatomy, there is that very, very nice flat receiving area right in the middle of that pool of anatomy. So again, another case. Here we have a bicuspid, and what we've done is we've put the articulating film in, we've put the 19 micron shimstock in there, we've given it a little bit of a squeeze, and we have an understanding where the existing occlusion is. So we have an understanding of where the end point is. If you decide to do this with direct restorations as well, you can. And the really frustrating thing is you do this beautiful class one, and you took that course, or the course that's going on downstairs right now, and you build up all those cusp slopes and you put it in, and all they're hitting it is on your composite. But you have no idea how far to get down. You can also do that, what I called that lateral leaf gauge, is mark it beforehand or you can double, and triple, and quadruple the articulating film on your non-restored teeth, as long as you knew they hit beforehand. Because sometimes their teeth are out of occlusion, and you keep trying to adjust until they touch, but you know what? You forgot to check if they actually touched before you started. So just knowing what your playing field is. So here, we put the crown in, and again, I just give it a light squeeze. There are the red marks, there are the black marks. There are the red marks, boom, boom. Whether they're on an incline slope, that's where the existing occlusion is. You put in the new crown, I have occlusion on a cusp tip, I have occlusion in a flat receiving area, and I have it as a known within 19 microns. I'm not touchin' this. Maybe I'll check with nine micron shimstock, but nine times out of 10, this is more like crown off, check it, crown on, check it. Okay, this one's good to go to the lab. And I'll have four or five cases that day, and I walk back to the lab, and I see a line of lab cases, and I'll just sit down, and I'll say, "Check this one," goes to the side, "Check this one," and goes to the side, "Check this one." It's that two minutes, it's that one minute, it's that five minutes that you spend checking one, two, three, four, five cases, that save you all that time that you have to adjust and polish chairside. So here you can see, this is that same case, I have a touch on a mesial marginal ridge, I have a touch on a cusp chip, and I have a touch in a central flat landing area. This might need a rubber wheel. This might need a rubber wheel, or maybe it was just a smudge, and maybe I did pull. I don't know, but if I'm within 19 microns, I'm not going to worry about it a whole lot. If I want to, I could easily rubber wheel it right there, but that's going to be your decision as clinicians in your own cases. One thing I want to bring up here though, is the conformative anatomy aspect, because there are two ways that you can approach. There are a million ways you can approach occlusion, but when you decide to move forward with applying your occlusion, are you going to do full arch impressions in every case? Are you going to be okay with triple trays? Are you going to take a face-bow and a protrusive record in every case? The reality of it in the United States, 98% plus of restorations, they go through commercial labs or triple trays, and I'm pretty okay with that. I know that's surprising to hear from someone that teaches at Spear. I'm visiting faculty at Pankey Institute. I've been the editor of American Equilibration Society, but I understand the limitations, and benefits, and considerations between those two. Triple tray impressions are more accurate than full arch impressions. That has been proven out in the research, because the more contact points you have, the more air potentially you have in expansion. Where triple trays are not at all accurate compared to full arch impressions, is in excursions. Because that has to do with how far the hinge is from the model, and Bonwill's Triangle, that four inches, or 110 millimeters that all articulators are based on, and that John Kois's screwless face-bow is based on, is that average of the dead white guys. Then you actually take a face-bow and it's even more accurate. But if you have this little, triple tray ariculator that has the hinge just off the second molar, instead of your arc of lateral excursives being that four inches, it becomes two and a half inches, and you have very sharp differences in how that goes. But, back to the contacts and excursions on a triple tray, how do you deal with that? Because this can be deadly accurate in closure, and that's where the triple trays are, but they're not accurate in excursions. So one thing that we do, if we're using a triple tray. Conformative anatomy is looking at the existing slopes, and keeping the existing anatomy within the existing slopes. So I will use triple trays for fours, for fives, for sixes, for sevens, as long as I have a four, five, six, and seven. That is, I want a quadrant of supporting teeth. That being said, have I done one without a seven there, and I've done a six, sure. I have a lot of little old ladies that are in their 90s and 80s that I cannot stretch a full arch tray into their mouth without hurting them. So, conformative anatomy is just trying to match up the slopes as best you can. When do I go to a full arch tray? Any anterior tooth, period. Any anterior tooth, period, because anterior teeth break in excursions, not in load. So then I need my excursions to be accurate. When else do I go to a full arch? If I'm doing more than one tooth in the posterior. Have I ever done a triple tray with more than one tooth in the posterior? Yes I have. I've had some people that just can't tolerate a full arch tray. Maybe they're gaggers, or maybe they think they're gaggers, or maybe they're little old ladies that I can't get a tray into. It's very, very far, and it's very, very, very few between, but being realistic about it, I'll tell you I have done it. I do not prefer it, because there is lack of stability and there's lack of accuracy, and there's increased need for adjustments. So here is that same crown that you just looked at at 19 micron. There's that tooth at 37 microns. The only difference here is which piece of paper you're using, and what level of confidence you go to adjusting that. It's a world of difference just from that small amount of microns. So 19, 37. It's just about knowing what you're looking at. So, going to the mouth, finally. Here is this one tooth, and I put in the 19 micron shimstock, have that marked in red. You can see that there's that nice, distal, margin of ridge contact on the five. We go ahead and put that in, and you can see, I still have that nice, distal, marginal ridge contact on the five. I have the cusp full contact on the palatal cusp, and I have the centric contact right there, and a couple of little smudges that I'll probably just take a little rubber point to. Easy peasy day-to-day dentistry, or you can deliver 'em like this. And you're not sure. And if you're not sure, what are you going to do? You're going to adjust it. Or you're going to cross your fingers, and hope and pray, that that's really where they're hitting or not hitting. All the difference is, is changing the thickness in articulating paper you're using. So, moving forward from that, like to talk about treatment planning a little bit more and blending these two concepts together. So, apologize for being a little dry, but if you don't know how to look at things, you don't know how to evaluate things. So now we're going to try to look and evaluate. So we have a real easy case here. This patient setting. These are the ones that you have nightmare stories about. These are the ones that they hit high on, because that's the first contact in CR. It's not. It's just pretty straightforward dentistry that you're lookin' at. Tooth is broken, she wants it fixed. So I walk into the operatory. Meredith is in hygiene, and I said, "Hey Meredith, what's goin' on," and she goes, "Well I have this tooth "and there's something chipped on it, "and it doesn't feel right," and I said, "Anything else?" She goes, "Yeah, when I bite on it, it hurts." I said, "Anything else?" She goes, "Yeah, when I get cold or hots on it, "it also hurts." "Does that linger?" "No, as soon as the temperature goes away "the pain goes away." She does not have a goal right now. She has things she's told me. And I said, "What can I do for you Meredith," and she goes, "Duh, "make it feel like a tooth, "make it not hurt when I bite, "and make it not temperature sensitive." That is an important differentiator for me, versus you come in and you're a new patient. I said, "What can I do for you," and you say, "Aw, my teeth are real jagged and sharp, "and they're kind of brown." "Okay, smile makeover." "Oh, I don't care." Yeah, how many times have you had patients laundry list everything that they're aware of, but when you get a treatment plan, they don't actually want to do anything? They just feel like they need to laundry list you everything they know about themselves. So the difference between an existing condition and an existing concern is the patient asking you to address it. So it seems, like I said, pretty obvious, but all I asked Meredith is, "What can I do for ya," and she said, "Duh, make it feel like a tooth, "make it not hurt when I bite, "and make it not temperature sensitive." So when I look at Meredith, I have to show you a view that you haven't seen yet, which is this one. How do you make it fit? 'Cause when you look at Meredith, what has likely happened here. I know when I put this up, a lot of people, I could just see it on your face, you're like, "Ah, first contact in CR, plunging cusp." Maybe at some point, but what probably happened here, is she probably had a restoration there, 'cause you can look at it now, and you can almost notice an occlusal prep. And you can almost notice that that composite is flecked out. And how do you have a high degree of confidence that there was a composite in there? Because there's a flowable liner in it. So all those I think I knows lead me forward, but when I look at her in occlusion, that's Meredith in occlusion, and it's far worse than you think for a couple reasons. Look how short that distal marginal ridge is. The other thing that's very interesting here is remember that I said dentine wears 10 times faster in enamel? That tooth is not in contact. I did a leaf gauge screen, which we'll get to today. That is not her first contact. What she used to do, I think I know, she used to be occluding on a composite. That composite flicked out, and now that palatal cusp has started coming down, and through food mulling, she has started to hollow out the dentine. As that progressed, she has unsupported enamel and she's starting to get flexural pain on biting, she has temperature pain, I think I know, because of exposed dentine. The endodontist also confirms, and he confirms through my own probing, there are no signs of a vertical fracture, there are no signs of pulpal pathology, and there are no signs of primary occlusal trauma. So you're looking at a, quote unquote, straightforward restorative case, kind of. So all I said is, "How do you want it to look, "and how do you make it fit?" Easy, no problem. This is how I want the tooth to look, that's how I want the tooth to fit. Thank you very much. Case is complete. Except for now it fits like this. (students laughing) 'Kay. This case, I absolutely love, because it bridges the dot that you learned in dental school with full mouth rehabilitation, even though it's one tooth. Every challenge that you will have as you move forward with restoring the worn dentition is going to be how to make teeth look, and then how to make 'em fit. And then you're going to find some of those teeth are not in the right place, when you make 'em look the way that you want 'em to look, and you're going to have to figure out how to make 'em fit. So in this case, when we look at Meredith, I have a mandate from her, "I want it to feel like a tooth." So, it feels like a tooth. But it does not fit. And we do not have distribution, and if she starts hitting on that, it's going to hurt. So the question is, what are the options to treat Meredith? And this is the sticking point that treatment planning becomes difficult, because you start furling your eyebrow, you start putting your hand on your chin there a little bit. You got like, oh you almost started tapping the pen. She almost like nailed the three initials of where the heck do we start? So, I've come up with a bit of a plan, is how to organize that in your head. Jeanine and I started using this from. We developed this in our workshops to help the people that were scratchin' their head and resting their chin, and tappin' their pencil, but what I realized, it actually became our protocol for our office. It's a very simple way to organize the way we look at patients, is why do they want, what are the options to achieve the why, and within that how process, what are the benefits and what are the considerations to that approach? So what I call this, is I call this the three Ps, purpose, process, and presentation. So the purpose for Meredith is she wants it to feel like a tooth, she wants it to not hurt when she bites, and she wants it to not be temperature sensitive. That is her treatment plan. What we don't know is her treatment process, because whatever the process is, it has to achieve the purpose. If the treatment process does not achieve the purpose, it is not an acceptable plan to present to her. So if you look at this, you say, "It doesn't fit, what are our options?" well, we could shave down the two seven to make it fit. Let's try that one out, boom. That's the two seven shaved down without any alteration of the three seven, aside from the wax up I did. So I made the three seven look how I wanted it. In order to make it fit, all I did was adjust the two seven. Does this achieve her goal? Yes. Does three seven feel like a tooth? Yes. Does three seven not hurt when she bites? Yes. Is three seven not temperature sensitive? Yes. Those are also your benefits. What are the considerations? Two seven doesn't feel like a tooth, two seven possibly hurts when she bites, two seven is now temperature sensitive, two seven might need a root canal, and two seven might need a crown. So when you look at that, that's how that sheet works. You can look at it as a stupid question, or you can look at it as a patient engaged. I said, "Meredith, I have a concern that "when we make this lower molar look like a tooth, "and not be sensitive to biting or temperature, "it's not going to fit the upper tooth." And she's very thoughtful insightful patient, and she said, "Well can't you adjust the upper one?" And I said, "You know what? "That's a great question." Or I could have said, "You know, that's a stupid question. "You don't understand dentistry. "Let me just do my job." (students laughing) But you've either been that person, or you know someone that does that approach, and that makes Meredith, sorry. That makes Meredith feel like an idiot, that keeps Meredith from opening her mouth in the future, because you belittled her and you insulted her, or I can come over to Meredith and say, "You know what, Meredith? "That's a great question. "It's something I've even considered "in cases similar to this." Third person removal, because now I can talk about a different case that makes her not wrong. "When I approached a case like that "in other circumstances, "I was able to make the tooth like yours, "look and feel right, but we ran into problems "with the one we adjusted." "Problems, like what?" "Well, it started getting temperature sensitive, "and biting sensitive. "It didn't feel right, and actually "it ended up needing a root canal." "Well, does my tooth need a root canal now?" "No." "Well that's a stupid idea." By the way, Meredith is a large equine veterinary radio oncologist. I don't even know what that means, but I think it means radiation in horses, but she's the only one from like Seattle to Minneapolis, and that is God's country in the US as far as ranching goes. She is the only specialist like that for things that cost $100,000 to start. She is busy, she is crazy busy, but she also is used to making decisions very quickly given the proper information. Not all of your patients will be like that, but all of your patients will benefit from the right information to help them make these decisions. So, not hurt when you bit, make it look like a tooth, quicker and possibly less involved than other options. You can't just say quicker. It has to be quicker than something else. Considerations may make the upper tooth hurt, may make it not feel right, may make it biting sensitive, and might make it temperature sensitive. This is an approach that I use in my practice, and it's an approach that I use for all of my procedures. So you come in, and you are missing a four six. And we go "Blah blah blah blah blah blah," and it ends up being implant versus a bridge. And he goes, "Oh I don't know." And I'm sorry. Brian, Brian's like, "I don't know. "I'm not even sure what to ask." "Brian, would it be helpful for you "if I just jotted up a quick letter "that talked about the benefits of a bridge "versus an implant?" "Yeah, yeah, that'd be great." "And oh, Brian, help me understand one more time, "why did you want to get that tooth back?" "Well I just can't chew over there well, "and I'd like to be able to chew again." Okay, now I have a purpose, and I go into Pages or Word, and I hit new document, I go to templates, and I pick implant versus bridge, I change Sue, to Brian, do not forget to do that. (students laughing) You change the date, you change the specific tooth number, and you already have all of these written up. I have these letters written up for implant versus bridge, bridge versus partial, partial versus implants, porcelain versus composite rehabilitation, phasing versus not phasing, and what I have is I have this volume of form letters and templates, that all I do is click it open, change the date, change the tooth number, and change the patient name, and then I say, "Brian, I'm going to stay after work tonight, "and make sure I get this written up for you. "Would you prefer you come in and discuss it, "would you like it emailed, "or would you like me to snail mail it?" "Oh just email it, that's fine?" "Is it okay if I email it?" Because I'm getting permission to actually do a HIPAA, or whatever you call it done here? Patient protected information on non-secure transfer method? So I've actually gotten confirmation that I can mail him a sensitive letter, and I write that in my chart. So that's becoming, everywhere in the world, that's becoming bigger. So I do stay after work, 42 seconds, (students laughing) and I write that out. And I'm really good about getting all my letters together, but I tell you, talk about the difference in case acceptance, and Lincoln is just, Lincoln Harris is just so fantastic about talking about this at RETP, rapid, efficient, treatment planning. The efficiency comes with repetition. I have all that repetition in all of my letters, and all of the various ways that Lincoln and I have developed the way we present cases. And why is Lincoln so confident? Why is Lincoln so effective? Because he does it again, and again, and again, and he has a protocol. This is my protocol, even though I'm starting with one tooth with you guys. So, Meredith says, "Well, couldn't you "take a little bit away from the bottom one "and the upper one?" And I tried that. And I said, "Meredith, you know what? "I tried it, but when I did that "I was still concerned that "the amount we took away from the upper "is still going to lead to all those problems, "and not only that, what we take away from the lower, "it's not going to look like a tooth anymore." And Meredith says, "Oh, well what can we do?" I said, "Well what we could do "in order to make three seven look like a tooth," always bring up their benefit first. I'm skipping the other two. Make it look like a tooth and have all that structure. What we can do is relocate and reposition the upper molar, so that there's enough room down here so that it can look like a tooth, not hurt when you bite, not be temperature sensitive, and we also will not need to grind on the upper tooth. "Oh that sounds great. "No root canal on the upper?" "Nope." "No crown on the upper?" "No." "Cool, how do we do that?" "Braces." But we talked about all of the benefits and considerations of how we got there before we talked about process, because if you talk about process before they understand how it benefits them, the only way they will be able to evaluate that is on how it's done and how much it costs. So, as I said, you can't have occlusion stand alone. I need to be able to talk about communication. I need to be able to talk about treatment planning to make it relevant. Otherwise, it just becomes this very, very long, boring procedure of pedantic academia. So, in Meredith's case, what we did was we extracted the two seven, and it looks like. No we didn't. (students laughing) What we did here, was we did a one tooth ortho setup, is I cut the tooth off, and I repositioned it, on a triple tray, of all things. And I went to my orthodontist with this. Now it looks like a tooth. Look how much difference there is in my ortho setup. Remember, this cusp here before was all the way down here. Fairly significant intrusion. When do you take models? When I need to see something. If I cannot see something, and explain it to my specialist and my patient, I need to take a model. When do I need to take an X-ray? When I don't have X-ray vision to see a periapical radiolucency or bone loss, or I can't see caries. When do I need to take photographs? If I can see the smile that's possible, but the patient can't. It's not about every time you do these things, although with new patients, I certainly have a protocol, but any time, as you're developing what you need to do and when you should do this. When should I take models? When should I take photograph? When should I do this? If you can't see it, you need additional information. If you can't explain it to someone else, you need additional resources to show them. So, in Meredith's case, I looked at this. Purpose, exact same thing. Make it so it doesn't hurt, make it not hurt when I bite, hots and colds. Exact same thing. This time we're crowing the three seven, we're intruding the two seven. All of the things up here are the same, except for more conservative, reduces risk of fracture, reduces future treatment needs. Those now, are all benefits, because you've actually looked at other treatment options, and those were the negatives of them. The negatives of the other treatment options actually become the positives and benefits of this treatment option. What are the considerations? It's going to take longer. Someone will say, "Yeah, and more expensive." It's not more expensive if you need a root canal, or a crown lengthening, or an extraction. So all of those things is, you can talk about more expensive in the short term, less expensive in the long term. Ortho is going to be more expensive now. It will cut down your treatment needs in the future. So if you want someone to look absolutely at you, like you are clearly insane, have your orthodontist, Steve Lemery, sell his practice to a new orthodontist that's newly qualified, first week out of school, and walk over to his office with a triple tray, and a one tooth ortho setup, and you're his first referring doctor. Luckily, he knew who Jeanine and I were, and he knew the level of care that we brought. He knew about Chris, the other Chris's case. He knew that we focused a lot on adult orthodontic restorative care in unique manners. So when we went over to Dr. Paventy, what Dr. Paventy did, was he bracketed up the quadrant, he threw a tad in the buckle, and he threw a tad in the palatal, and he straight up intruded the seven. Backing up from that a little bit, before Meredith left that day, the tooth was not in contact. Etched, bonding agent, teeny little bit of Flowable. "How's that feel?" "It's not as rough." "How does that feel when you bite?." "Ah, it still hurts." "How about when I blow air?" "That's a little better." She winced but said, "That's a little better." So each time that she went to see Dr. Paventy, the tooth was intruded a little bit more, and each time that happened, either Dr. Paventy, or Jeanine and I, added a little bit more composite. And each time that we did that it felt a little bit better to her tongue. It never fully resolved biting sensitivity, so I was open to that perhaps just being a direct composite, restoration. What I was firm about, was it would look like a tooth, feel like a tooth, not be biting sensitive, and not be temperature sensitive. When we got to the final stage, we had fully resolved the way it feels, we had fully resolved the hot and cold sensitivity, but we could not get over the biting sensitivity, so a full coverage restoration was indicated. So when we look at that, that's how much we intruded the tooth. You're looking at the postoperative maxillary against the preoperative mandibular. So none of that composite that I just told you about is there, but I wanted you to have some realization of what the alterations were. So here you see the preoperative diagnostic one tooth wax up, and you see how that is the final restoration, and that is the final gold restoration that we placed there. And she said, "I try to correct myself," because she did not say "look like a tooth," she said "feel like a tooth." Aesthetics there were not important to her, longevity was. So we went with a very basic gold restoration, even though you're looking from an occlusal aspect. You can see the basic conformative anatomy of the six and the seven, and that we're not trying to recreate a six year old, freshly erupted, or 12 year old, freshly erupted seven, but rather fit it to the existing dentition. So, we need a goal, we need to visualize an outcome, we need to figure out a process, and whether that process is reshaping, repositioning, restoring, removing, all of those Rs are the Rs of equilibration, because equilibration does not mean grind. Equilibration means balance. And you may balance teeth by moving them, repositioning them, reshaping them either reductively or addititively, but that's another one of those words that we get caught up with, is when we hear equilibrate, we hear chainsaw. It's like (mimicking chainsaw). Everything needs to buzz down, and as we're going to see in cases this afternoon, and as we're going to see in cases all day tomorrow, we're moving past these one tooth applications, and I want to get to two teeth, I want to get to sextants, I want to get to full mouth rehabilitation, almost, because the funny thing, I'll tell you, is the easiest thing about occlusion, is a full mouth rehabilitation, because you control absolutely everything. The most challenging thing about occlusion is when you don't, and that's where you really have to bring all of your skills to bare, because you have to balance all of those sheer and distributed forces that you can't, quote unquote, idealize to Dr. Pete Dawson's book of dots and lines. So, goal, visualize an outcome. Figure out how you're going to do that, do that, and then we restore. (students laughing) No, go ahead, take all the pictures you like. I told you I could. Any questions at all? - [Female Student] How are the other teeth? - The other teeth are pretty much what you're lookin' at. She almost had no restorations in her mouth. If you look at the six, you can see that there's quite a bit of acidic erosion, and maybe fruit mulling, but I'm thinking more acidic erosion. 'Member, large equine radio oncologist. Imagine how hard it was for her to get to the top of the class to get vet school, and from vet school get the one position in a program in almost the entire West Coast. Her diet consists of Red Bull, Rockstar, cortados, gummy bears, and anything she can grab and throw into her mouth while she's running from farm to farm, 'cause people do not bring two and a half ton steers to you. You go to the barn at three in the morning. So she's running around. Her house calls may consist of 10 hour drives. And when they do need a lot of the radio oncology, those people come to her whenever is possible. She is the one that's there to take those. She has a garbage diet, she tries to do as best she can, but she has high acid, low sleep, high parafunction, and her teeth are still doing, I think, relatively well. We mitigate what we can, we accept what we can't, and we move on. - [Female Student] Would you give her a splint? - Sorry? - [Female Student] Would you give her an occlusal splint? - Would I give her an occlusal splint? Yes, we did, yep. And when she wears it, we'll see. (students laughing) If you picked up something, I love quotes, and one of my favorite quotes of all times is by a dentist that passed away far too early, passed away in his mid 40s, Dr. Robert Barkley. I doubt any of you have heard of him. But he said, "Our job is to help our patients get worse "at the slowest rate possible." Because we can do whatever we can at the highest level we can, but the higher the risk factors that exist for the patient, the less successful we're going to be. And I will caution you, as you want to pursue treating the worn dentition, they broke it before, they will break it again. They broke it before, they will break it again. Our job is to help our patients get worse at the slowest rate possible. "Brian, I would love to provide "that full mouth rehabilitation for you, "so you can chew and smile confidently. "What I want you to be aware of, "is all the forces that led to you being "where you are right now still exist. "So as we move forward, "I would like to help you break your teeth, "your new restorations, as infrequently as possible, "and as few as possible at a time." And Brian's going to say, "Wait, are you kidding? "I'm paying $40, $50, $60,000 for this." And I'll say, "Yes, you are, "and I need you to know that going in." And I think that one of the biggest transitions, 'cause I've known Dr. Lincoln Harris for a very long time. Our learning curves have kind of gone like this in what we learned, and what we forgot, and what we needed. And sometimes he learned something first, and sometimes I learned something first, but we always shared those lessons. And I think one of the lessons that I just talked to Brian about is that one. Honesty. If you have, forget about scripting. If you have intention and honesty, everything will fall out of your mouth right, because it will fall out the way that sounds like you. And you don't need a script to be you. All you need is integrity. So getting back to the point that I was saying about Lincoln. I got slightly sidetracked in a good way, is Lincoln and I got to the point that we realized that while we may be able to fix everything, everything we fix is not going to last. Most important things that we can provide in that regard, is that information to our patients, because if they don't know that, they think, "Oh I thought this was going to last forever. "I thought I only needed to pay for this once." I'm not sure where Lincoln is on this. Jynni and Gayle could probably clarify. Once I started describing my rehabilitations like this, my case acceptance actually went up astronomically. 'Cause the patient said, "Are you serious?" I said, "Yes." And he said, "I actually believe you." And he said, "The last guy said it would never break again. "And I thought, well how could that be? "I broke it before. "How's it not going to break again?" And they think about that, and they can sense that honesty, that integrity, and that interest, that true interest, in the patient's well-being. Not just only in the short-term in our pocket book, but in the long-term in their continuing care. Yes and yes, yes. - [Female Student] If the the patient says "I just want to be out of pain but, I don't care if the tooth "doesn't look like a tooth," then what would you do? - I'm sorry, can you speak up a little louder? - [Female Student] If the patient's goal was just to be out of pain, but didn't care if the tooth didn't look like a tooth, then how would that change your treatment plan? - It would be very similar, except for I would leave out, feel like a tooth. Because if I looked at this tooth, and I thought about, I'm sorry, it would be very similar. If I looked at this tooth and not want it to worry about feeling like a tooth and just not hurt, I could overprep it, and then the margins would be about three millimeters subgingival on the distal. Because if you look, there was only about half a millimeter on the distal marginal ridge, and there was a fracture. So you need to get rid of the fracture, and then you need to get down there, and then your occlusal table would actually be at the gingival margin. So what's the issue with that, is that down the road that person could need crown lengthening, and because the aggressive nature of the prep, that could lead to endodontic therapy, and because the aggressive nature of both of those, that could lead to tooth fracture and loss. And then they'd be looking at implant restoration, and all of the existing conditions would be the same. So from a communication standpoint I would talk to them and I would say, "You know what? "That's a completely understandable question, "I know you'd like to get this done as simply as possible. "The concern I have is what you perceive "as the simplest approach, "could actually lead to the most complex needs "down the road, which are far, far more expensive "than what we could do now." What you notice there, is I did not bring up a procedure. I brought up considerations, and a lot of 'em. And what I want them to ask me is, "Like what," or, "When?" And then, because as soon as they ask me the question, I can provide the answer, and it is an answer to a question, rather than a mon, than a mono-- - [Female Student] Monologue? - Thank you. (students laughing) Who said that? - Me. - I owe you. (everyone laughing) Rather than being a monologue lecture, and being perceived as me talking to them, this is me talking to you. Does that answer your question? - [Female Student] Yes. - What remains with your question? - [Female Student] So I'm just trying to get my head around thinking like you because it's, I see what you're doing but, I can't do it-- - Practice, practice, practice. It will be easier for you in 45 minutes, when we get. No it won't, because we're talking about CR. Forget it. (students laughing) It's going to be easier for you by the break at mid-afternoon. It will make more sense to you by the end of the day, and I'm betting by mid-morning tomorrow, you'll actually come up with what I'm about to say before it comes out of my mouth, because all things take practice. Verbal skills take practice. Believe it or not, my weakest point is communication. I was a terrified public speaker. I would black out introducing other speakers at continuing education venues when I was in the Academy of General Dentistry. Why can I stand up here right now and have basically no fear of public speaking? Reps. Whey did everybody get so good at Lincoln's course this last week, when I was on the next floor? At the beginning of the day they weren't so good. At the end of the day I couldn't tell the difference between their preps and Linc's? Because he made them reprep for sixteen hours. Reps, reps, reps. Yes. - [Lucy] So this case is sort of isolated in that they lost a resin, so the tooth over erupted and that's how this has happened over time. In a case where people have particularly lower sevens and both of the distals are quite worn, do you do anything in particular differently in those sort of cases, or anything? - And what's your name? - [Lucy] Lucy. - Lucy, so Lucy asked, and make sure I'm clarifying this right, so Lucy said, "This is a very basic case "in that it it's isolated, and that we're looking at "one situation that's ditched out"-- I'm sorry? - [Lucy] Not basic, a lot of-- - I was clarifying, and then I'm going to let you clarify me, because I knew I would say it wrong. So this is a isolated case where it's ditched out and it's come down. What if you're dealing with more teeth, and some are flat, some are really worn out? That's where the same rules apply, is how do you want it to look, how are you going to make it fit? The how are you going to make it fit is going to change. Is because you might be repositioning teeth, you might be restoring teeth, you might be altering vertical, which we're also going to go through all of those scenarios between this afternoon and tomorrow. So giving, because this is where people start to stop just listening, and start to ask, "Why," and "What's in it for me," and why I paid this tuition? Let's look forward. I'm going to go over the next step which is joint position in CR this morning, so that we can understand how to move past this tooth into other scenarios. Because when you talk about altering vertical you have to take the joint into consideration. We're going to talk about leaf gauges and how that plays in that, and how it plays into looking at just restoring one tooth, versus doing inside, interior, full mouth rehabilitation. Then we're going to expand into looking at anterior guidance, and as we move forward and fold there, as we get more and more teeth, what we're going to look at, is how to alter vertical dimension, not only opening it, perhaps, but when you want to close it. When do you want to treat to MIP, when do you want to treat to CR, and what are the benefits and considerations of each of those? So, I'm not ignoring your question, but I am, with permission, delaying it, because I want to be able to answer it with case examples. As I said, everything about occlusion needs application, or it's just theory without relevance. Good? - [Lucy] Mm-hm. - Okay.