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THIS IS SERGE ANT PAUL HOLSTI NE OF THE BULLHEAD CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT, OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY. PRESENT WITH ME IS OFFICER MARION MORGAN AND YOU ARE MARION MORGAN, ARE YOU NOT? MORGAN: Yes, I am.

HOLSTINE: and were at the Office of Professi onal Responsibility to interview on case #09029. It is Novem ber 14, 2009, at 1:56 p.m . And al so Robert Trebes is present as rep. Um, Marion have you had a chance to review the Notice of Administrative Investigation M: H: M: H: M: H: M: H: Yes, I have. in front of you there? And familiarize yourself with the allegations and the contents? Yes, I have. Okay. Um, alright. Do you understand your investigation? Yes, I do. Okay. And do you have any questions about your specific rights a nd responsibilities in this investigation? No, I dont. Okay, sign down here on right, on the line. you want to dive into that? And address it? M: H: M: H: H: (laughter), ah, I want to dive in and say it s all it is, is a crock. A bunch of rum ors and lies. Okay. Well, the reason I ask you that is b ecause Im gonna want to hear a little bit more than that from you oh, I know. as far as, as far as explaining your side of the story and your and your part of it and so, I wa nt to give you a chance up front ju st to roll with it before I start into basically reviewing what Ive al M: Go ahead. Thats fine. ready done and questioning off of that, fair enough? You want to go or do you want me to start? And Ill sign beside ya, and well get going through this, but ah, up f ront, thats a big ole cr ock pot full of allegation there. You got, specific rights and responsibilities in this

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Okay. So, lets se e here. I will te ll ya that um , there a re some of these things th at have been fairly well put to rest ah, before, befo re now. Just based on me doing interviewing with people. Ive interviewed half a dozen people already. Some of these things have been put to rest, som e of the m need to, we still need to ba sically tou ch on all of em. Some of them we need to dig into. Um , Ill just go right off the list here. W hile Marion Morgan was working for Sergeant Best, he asked Marion about Lori Battey and Marion lied to him. And I, you understand that these ar e, that these allegations are actually kind of second or third hand

M: Absolutely. H: H: and M: I H: conversation between Tammy and Jamie, which Jamie was the one that came forward then do. Okay. Um , now that is a reference to so between you and Sergeant Best, and then me conversations which were allegedly had I think m aybe a second time between you, M: Right.

Sergeant Best and Al Otero, where in som e manner ah, its my understanding that your relationship or at th at tim e suspected alle gedly, whatever, relationship with Lori was brought onto the tab le in the workp lace. Is th at accurate? That, th at at som e point your supervisor came to you and addressed that? M: He addressed that there was a rumor of that. H: Okay. M: Yes. H: M: H: M: How did that conversation go, and lets star indicates is the first conversation Okay, the first con of that sort the first conversation was, I was working days hift with him, he asked m e to 45 to with him, so I met him down, I dont remember where now, but, ah, down on the south end of town H: Uh-huh (acknowledgement). t with what I, what I, my inform ation

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ah, pulled up, he said there was some concerns he had about ah, some of the officers were making statements that I wasnt working up to par and wasnt ah, backing them up and wasnt being motivated and this type of thing. I told him, yeah, part of that was probably true cause I was having a lot going on in my personal life at home. And ah, with Tammy, so I said ah, you know, I said Id w ork on it. Try to do better. I said I havent, didnt know that I wasnt backing anybody up. Ive Ive never f ailed to try to back anybody up or never failed to try to back anybody up. be there for them if they need help or

whatever else. And, but I told him that I would work on it and try to fix it. And he said, well, there was, I also h eard a rumor that, and he mentioned no names, just said I heard a rumor that you and a certain dispatcher ha d som ething going on and I said, yeah, Ive heard that rumor too, and I said you know how ru mors are. And thats all that was said. At that meeting. H: Okay. Alright, you know what? Im gonna get a glass of water, a nybody else want one? I got free glasses, cause Im giving them away. No? Ill be right back. Okay, I ha d to clean the bacteria out of that glass too. Um , so, um , my investigation at this point ation in which Lori or a indicates that there was al Otero and Glenn. M: Uh-huh H: Accurate? M: Accurate. H: M: Okay, tell me how that went. Um, approximately a week and a half, two w eeks after the initial thing, ah, I got called in on shift again. H: Uh-huh M: (acknowledgement). Ah, said that they were upset with me because my attitude had, went b ad with the guys I worked with and stuff. H: Right. M: And I said, well, yeah, my attitude probabl y has, I said, you know, youre telling me that everybodys saying Im not helping them , Im not doing things with e m, I said I went and talked to everybody on my shift and I said nobody on my shift told me anything that I (affirmative). so a second ah, second convers

dispatcher ah, was brought up in a work forum and that the conversation included you, Al

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was doing bad, other than Eric Teague told me that, you know, he had made a comment in report writing one day about me not taking calls one day. H: Uh-huh M: H: M: (acknowledgement). not som ething thats a ddressed in this In beat one. And thats what started this whole chain of events. Yeah, I got inform ation on that but thats investigation. But anyway, other than that , it was m entioned that ther e was this rum or going around, nobody ever asked m e, are you seeing anybody? Are you doing this? They said theres this rumor going around you need to be careful about what youre doing, whats going on because theres this rumor going around and I told em again, I said once again, H: And when youre talking, who are we, who are we talking about now, Teague or M: Best. H: Best. M. Sergeant H: M: M: H: M: H: M: Best. And, and this is when Oteros present? Yeah, Oteros present. And ah, again I told him, I said well, you know, those rumors are floating around all over the place and I know where theyre coming from, and I said its rumors. So, Did you say to them yeah or nay, whether you were No, did not having a relationship with, with Lori, one way or another? I told him that I was friends with her, and I left it at that. Never said, I was never asked if I was having anything with her. I just said going around. H: H: Okay. so, Alright. Um, and m y information is that after the initial convers ation that you had with Glen, that within a day or two that he did a PPR? M: Yes. H: Thats accurate? M: And th eres a ru, they told m e theres a rum or

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M: Yes. H: M: M: H: M: ah, H: In M: H: M: H: H: M: H: M: H: my I only rem ember one. There could have been two, I dont rem ember the first one. I remember one that was about my attitude and something like that. Just for background material. Were you having a hard time personally at that point? Yes, I was. And related to your marriage, the break up of your marriage that sort of thing. (affirmative). Okay. As far as your re lationship with Lori Battey, um, how long have you been, how long have you known her? Period. Just known her. Ah, about two years. Okay. Ah, how long in that period would you characterize your rela tionship with her as being romantic, in, and Ill spell it out, Im talking about sexual. Just a year and a half, maybe a little longer. so theres no, so theres no, you know? Were not gonna worry about (inaudible) is later one. M: Thats H: fine. so what youre saying is in essence, you never directly Anyway, um, okay. Alright, or not there was a romance. M: H: M: H: No, did not. Okay. Were you ever, did they ever ask you specifically? No. They did not. Well, is there a romance here? Is there kissey, kissey, is there Im trying to bracket in the time zone. I know it was a few, several days after that I dont remember exactly when. And then I was, I was also told that there was a PPR entry that, that c oincided with th e last conversation you described, correct?

H: Okay.

M: Uh-huh

addressed, tell m e if Im wrong. In essence y ou never really directly addressed w hether

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M: No. H: M: H: M: No. H: M: What about anybody else? Any other supervisor, employee, Yeah, Sergeant Messina, afte r I switched and went to h is shift, app roximately two or three weeks later, (inaudible) was on a call one time and he said hey, he pulled m e aside, hey I heard this rum or going ar ound, and I told him the same thing, yep, th ats rumors going around. And he never asked me either specifically, he just said H: Okay. M: H: that well, you just need to be careful and stuff, cause theres rumors floating around. Well, just so you know, and this is backgr ound more for you than, than m e, but, this is one of those issues that supervisors, I mean Ive been tracking this for a while, you know, hoping and praying that it never end ed up on my desk. Um, because it hit the rum or mill first of the year? Anyway, one of the things that, that s upervisors have been you know, scratching their heads over to som e degr ee is you know, how much of this is our nd it, and ah, one of the things that m y business? You know? So what if Marion has som ething going on with Lori Battey, do we care? And if so, whats the reason behi investigation has shown that ah, whether there was valid re ason for it or not, theres at least a theory at som e point, that hey, Marions, you know, Ma rions ah, his productivity is, his productivity is down, do you think Lori , is Lori Battey giving him the, you know, giving him the shank treatment, Ill explain that later, is, is Lori giving him easy M: Right. H: you know, Im being smart now but. No, I was never asked directly, by anybody. Okay. Were there any other conversations relationship was addressed? with ah, Otero or Best in which the Battey

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M: H: M: H: M: H: M: H: M: H: M: H: M: H: M: H: M: H: M: H: Okay. Alright. Um , okay, next accusati on, Crawford was told Marion had threatened her, um, it was her word against his and nothi ng further was done, and actually part of that accusation is really ah, somewhat of a com plaint again st ah, Bullh ead PD, ah, the patrol bureau, lieutenants and sergeants that have been triaging all this stuff M: Huh-uh H: (acknowledgement). But, it refers to the night that Reid Mc Nally went down to your house and basically did a civil standby? M: Right. H: M: No. Okay. And Ive got documents and dates that line up behind that but was there ever more than one time that Reid McNally came to your house and did a

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H: civil M: One H: H: M: H: M: H: M: Thats

standby? time. correct. when was this? Is th is this year? Last

So we can only be talking about one instance here when we talk about that. Okay. And about what, about year? July, somewhere around the end of July. 25th? 30th? Okay. In July, that sounds, that rings a be ll for me too, and like I said, in this stack here Ive got a CODY printout on it. Somewhere between like the 25th and the 30th, right in there. Okay, and just for background sake, this is a tim e when, when ah, you guys were apparently until that night were living together

M: Yes. H: M: H: M: ah, H: Ponderosa? M: Ponderosa. H: M: Okay. And is that in the city of Bullhead? Yes, it is. Ah, I had moved to another be droom, I was staying in another bedroom, and told he r Id stay ther e a nd we would keep doing what we were doing until the divorce was final. H: H: H: M: So you, so you had least attempted to live together (affirmative). ah, in peace, while all things were worked out? Okay. Ah, came to work, she called m e about ten m inutes to midnight when I was fixing to get off, said ah, dont you come back to this fucking house, youre not welcome here. I said, M: Uh-huh M: Yes. and there were problems and somebody decided to, to leave the house, how, how did this come about? I was still living in the house, Id already filed for the divorce. And the house is where?

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well, its still m y house as far I know, Im going on? And she just said, dont you fuck bring another officer or supervisor. H: M: H: M: H: And then what did you do?

coming hom e after I ge t off work. Whats ing com e to this dam n house unless you

So, I told Messina, I said this is what just happened. Ah, Reid was out there (inaudible) You were just getting off work? Is that Yes, I was fixing to get off work. Ah, what shift? shift.

M: Swing H: Okay. M:

And ah, Reid was standing out there so Mc Nally, I m ean, Messina to ld McNally, sa id I dont know whats going on but you probably need to go up and standby, cause I told Messina, I said well, Im not gonna get into a fight with her, Ill just go get som e stuff and go stay elsewhere.

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(acknowledgement).

So ah, Reid had a call up there at the park right next to the house anyways so, Where is Pondersoa? Its up in ah, Vista? Arroyo Vista, yeah. And so, I met Reid up there by the park, he followed me over at the house, ah, went in, asked her w hat was going on, she started yel ling youre not fucking welcom e here, get your shit and go, ah, Reid told her well, you cant really kick him out if he decides to stay but hes, he said hed get his stuff and go, so

H: Arroyo H: Okay.

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So is it accurate that you decided to leave with no legal prodding? I mean you didnt, there wasnt a court order that said you had to leave No, no court order, no nothing. no divorce documents or anything that specified

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that you had an obligation to leave. Why did you decide to leave? Because I wasnt gonna fight with her, and ta ke a chance of getting in trouble at work, or having a domestic. Good decision. So, how long, how long was encounter take? 5 minutes, 10 minutes maybe. Okay. Um, you gathered stuff and left the house? (affirmative). Anybody hit each other? Shot each other? Stab each other? Say bad words? Ah, I didnt. Okay, cause thats, thats what, th ats what this boiled down too is ah, um , Ta mmy indicated that at some point while you we re moving through the household you either lip synced, mouthed or said works under your breath to her that she took as a threat of som e kind, like youll get yours, or you got something coming. Reid present? And how long di d this

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Did you have an inner voice that told you that? No? Um, is it possible that you did something like that and dont remember it? No. Okay. Did ah, did Reid McNally ever cau tion you about any of your behavior up there that night? Did he ever tell you hey, settle down, stop talking, dont say that, dont use

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No, he (inaudible) fuck no. that finger towards you wife, anything? All, all he said was, she started talking back to me and trying to show him stuff in another room, (acknowledgement).

H: Huh-uh M:

And I said you dont need to be showing hi m that stuff and Reid said its okay, just go ahead and get your stuff and lets get out of he re. So, I finished getting my stuff and I left.

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Okay. Next allegation. Marion has refused to pay any bills, even though it is a violatio n of the Departm ents general o rders to do so. Are you fam iliar with the Departm ents general orders and their provisions on o responsibilities? fficers and taking care of our financial

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The basics of it, yes. Whats your understanding of the basics on it? That youre, because o f our position your doing, responsible for tak ing care of your financial responsibilities and everything like that. Okay. Have you ah, made any financial moves or pulled, pushed and financial buttons in the break up or dissolution of this marriage that would ha ve caused ah, Tammy or your, your guys son?

M: Uh-huh H: M: H: Um M: M: H: Right.

(affirmative).

Brandon? Ah, to be hom eless without power , without heat, without water, without ah, anything to eat, anything like that? No, I havent. , Heres what, heres what the deal is. Okay? I hired an attorney for the divorce. Ah, I consulted with him. He said ah, sh e wants to live in that house, and she wants her truck, which is what she filed for in the divo rce, ah, he said you le t her pay those things, he said you pay the other house in Kingm an, you ah, the other bills well let the judge decide as far as who pays, or who pays what, ah, so Ive been paying the house in Kingman, Ive had to put a hold on it for a coupl e of months to give me a break, and then

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I started back paying it again. And a h, I took care of, even though he told me not to, Ive been paying, I have an HFC loan, which is a signature loan, H: M: H: M: H: M: H: M: No. H: service, M: Not H: M: H: M: H: water by me. power, water, heat, whatever at the house? Unless she hasnt paid it and they shut it off, but Okay. But if its so, its not due to your doing? Right. It is not. Um, okay. Um , Crawford, ne xt allegation, Crawford also rec eived inf ormation f rom Tammy Morgan indicating she possessed e-m ails hinting of Marion Morgan m eeting with his girlfriend during work hours. Um substantiation to that. M: H: Um M: H: M: Its H: M: No, cause thats bullshit. , Excuse my language but But I do want you to authenticate your ecurrently? phenom_223@yahoo.com Okay. Thats, I got a e-m ail that shows that account for you. And how long have you used that e-mail address? I honestly dont know, approximately six months, probably, maybe a little longer. H: Okay. mail address, what is your e-m ail address , I ll tell you right of the bat theres not Its a second or just a sig, you say its a signature loan? Its, yeah, signature loan. Ah, started back paying that. I paid off several other little bills that we had, a T-Mobile bill, and bills, some other little bills. Have you shut off any utilities on her? No, I have not. Have you changed out the names or the account holders on any utilities? No, I have not. So youve never, theres never been any interruption in power

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(laughter) strained relationship. The only tim e I had strained relationship with them girls is when they got up to be you know, 16, 17, ri ght in there, cause they were sneaking out of the house, and sneaking boys into the house, and that kind of stuff and that strained the relationship, because they kept getting caught.

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Uh-huh (acknowledgement). So they were being teenage girls? Right. Other than that, no. I mean, I taught Cheri and her how to drive. Learn how to ride horses, I m ean, weve

H: Okay. done everything plum up until they left home together. I think that brings us b ack around to the only conflict re solution we have left. Now, going back to your conversations with Sergea nt Best, well, initia lly your conversation with Sergeant Best. Sergeant Best indicate d that in his initial think you said it was on Central Avenue? M: H: H: Like I said, yeah, I was done in that part of the town And weve already talked about it enough that I think were on the same page with it. Um, he said this, I want, I want to know ah, if you agree or disagree with it. He said that he basically asked you, he basi cally said, he put tw o questions into one question is what he told m e essentially, was there was a question or an inferre d question about your relationship with Lor i Battey, and in th e sam e brea th, is it po ssible, are you ge tting special treatment from her because of the relationship. And your answer was sim ply no. That you just, you just denied the whole thing, you said that that wasnt true. M: H: M: No, thats not the way the conversation went. Tell me again how the conversation went. The f irst co nversation was sim ply af ter th e o ther s tuff was tha t th ere was this r umor going around, he never mentioned a name period. He said a dispatcher. About you and a dispatcher. Theres this rum or going around and you need to b e careful because this rumor going around can get you in trouble. And I said, yeah, Ive heard that rum or and you know how rumors are. conversation with you, were Lori, or the possibility of a relations hip with Lori was br ought up, was in field, I

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Well, the rumor doesnt get you in trouble, but um, you know, I guess the elephant in the room in this whole case is, is you know, and Im not knock ing your, your, ah, choice to, to be involved in your relati onship with Lori, nice enough lady, but considering w here your wife was working at the time, I mean,

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Understood. But that wasnt initially, wasnt did you ever at any point go, jeez, this might blow up in my face. Yes, I did. Not a policy violation, just had to ask you that. (laughter). Um involved you, Al Otero and Glenn Best. , anyway, um , t he other one is the second

M: Absolutely. conversation. The second conversation in which weve already discussed once, that M: Right. H: Their take on that conversa tion is different than yours, a nd basically it is, theres no mistaking it, he denied that he was having a relationship with Lori Battey. W hats your take on that? M: H: They never asked me. Nobody has ever asked me specifically, or mentioned her by name to me. Uh-huh (acknowledgement). Did you ever, did you every think then, or even in hindsight that it m ight have behooved you to say, well, I know who youre ta lking about, yes, we are having a relationship, but no, theres nothing against the ru les ab out what w ere doing? Did it ever cross your m ind to clarify that to em ? And I m not disputing what youre saying about how this conversation went M: H: but M: simply because ah, I was trying to keep all that out of the PD, and I wasnt going to bring stuff up if I was specifically asked, in othe r words, if you sit here and ask m e are you having an affair with Lori Battey? Yes, I am. If you say there are rumors going around that your having an affair with Lori Battey, Im gonna tell you thats rumors. H: And it sounds to m e like you kind of have a s pecific strategy of why you ah, chose to respond that way. No it didnt simply

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No, no specific, I mean, other, You didnt want to bring it into work other than I didnt want to bring it into work. You didnt want to bring it into work. Okay. Ah, cause bringing it into work is the only thing that gets us here. Well, I know that. Into this office. But Im not the one who brought it into work. You can ask agree. anybody around, I have kept it quiet, Ive kept everything out of this PD Right. Okay, and Im not, Im not, ah, Im not disputing that, ah, its obvious how this got here. Why is it, how do we, how do we this simply a perception issue? deal with the disc repancy between your version of what happened in this conversation and Al Oter o and Glenn Best, I m ean is

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I think its a perception issue, yes. Do you think it was som or ething about th at conversation that som ebody could have misunderstand, misunderstood what question was asked or what was being talked about,

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Well, it had to be m isunderstood if thats, if theyre saying different than that. Because that was my understanding of it, was there was never a name mentioned to me, period. Do you understand why this is kind of an important point? Absolutely. Im not trying to hide anything or Ive got nothing to hide. I, no way, in any form or fashion would lie to them. If I was asked. Okay. I wa nt, I want to get off of t hat for a minute, cause theres som ething I wanted to ask you abo ut this, this stuff that Sarah to ld me about you p utting your hand on her leg. Do you have a daughter about her age?

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Yes, I do. Well, not quite her age, 15, 16 now. girl? (affirmative).

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Theres nothing, the didnt Department has not say in that. No stake in that. She used to and then she got on this kick oh, thats the most horrible, horrific thing in the world for you to do. And so, when I filed the divorce and she started finding out that she wasnt going to get child support and this type of thing then she attacks m e to try to get full custody of my son, and m ake me lose her job, and then she can take Brandon and move to wherever she wants to, and, be with her family and thats the only way, the only tool she has to beat me. Cause I havent done anything.

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Okay. Alright. Um , I have covered pre tty m uch every thing I n eed to cover bu t I m gonna go through my documents, and I got a lot of em. And authenticate documents and probably come up with a few more detaily questions. Ive got a ah, couple of PPRs here, is what everybody calls em . It says Patrol Supervisors Inspection Report. Um , a nd I was told that there one and sam e. One of e ms written up on you on the 4th of June, 2009. And accord ing to, according to m y investigation, an d ah, everyon e Ive talked to, it seems that th is PPR would ha ve been written up ah, within maybe a day of so of the first conversation that you had with Glenn Best, in the field, where Lori Batteys, where the, her role in any of this was discussed. June? Do you kind of concur with that? The 4th of

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I dont remember what date it was. I dont.

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And Ill, Ill go ahead, since you dont rem ember, Ill read th e notes out loud and see, or you read the notes and see if that rings any be lls for you as far as that jiving up with the time f rame. Like I sa id, this, I b elieve th is w ould have happened right after the first conversation with you and Glenn about Lori, an d other things, but Lori was working in the first time.

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Yeah, this is the one I got. Okay. And I got a second PPR he re. Its dated the 26th of June, 2009. And all m y investigative interviewing indicates that th is was the PPR that was possibly done at the same time, or the same, in the same meeting, is when you met with Otero and Best.

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Is that, sound like the dates are right?

Okay. Keep what wev e already done under here. Th questions out of em . A lot of these are wr not subject m atter for this investigation.

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silences on the tape he re while I review som e of these th ings and see if I can pull any ite ups of the various supervisory kind of B ut you said that, a while ago you said issues that were going on at the tim e and much of it, m uch of whats docum ented here is something about that you said that you thought that the, you and ah, and Lori Battey had been a romance for approximately the past year and a half, is that correct? M: M: H: Yeah, maybe a little longer. I dont know a specific date and But certainly at the time tha t you had these conversations with Bes t and then with Best and Otero, there would have, you would have conversation, but M: H: M: I dont know, theres a couple of times me and her split apart and would have anything to do with each other for a while, and exactly when I dont know, but Were any of them near, were any of them in June of this past year? There was one of them been involved in a rom antic relationship parson into each individual with her at that tim e? Ye s or no? Or you can, we can H: Okay.

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H: It M: H: M: H: M: H: M: H: H: M: H: M: No. H:

looks like there was one of em that was in that time frame, yes. So is it possible that during one or more of those conversations you m ay have been on a break or a Yes, it is possible. hiatus in the relationship with Lori Yes, it is possible. at the time of the conversation or conversations? It is possible. Yes. But we dont know? know. Is there anyway to bracket that in? Ah, I dont know what the dates we split up. I mean did you guys keep your relationship calendared? Just checking. (long pause) Other than these conversations that we talk about, have you gone to any ah, Bullhead PD supervisors or m someway relate to your breakup with Tammy? anagers a h, to address issues that in

M: Dont

M: H: M:

Yes, I have. And ah, are any of those, were any of t interviews? Ah, the only one I went to in relation to this was ah, Lieutenant Duke, when m e and Best had our second meeting. (acknowledgement). (acknowledgement). hose related to what we ve covered in these

H: Uh-huh M: M: H: Uh-huh

I told him I didnt agree with the PPR. I hadnt been there th e last week that he wa s referring to as far as this whole last week, ah, your attitude hasnt change d, da, da, da, da. I was gone that whole week to train. And so I told him , I said I don t agree with that, I wasnt ev en here. And I said I think youre starting to m ake this personal a nd I said you know, you got to quit m personal aking it

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H: okay. M: M: H: H: and so, I told him I said Im gonna go to Lieutenant Duke and talk to him. And he said, go ahead. Alrighty. And did that get resolved in your mind? Okay. Heres that e-m ail I wa s talking about, can you confirm ah, yours and Loris e-mail addresses? M: Yeah. H: M: H: H: M: H: So that one of thems yours and thats the fu-man address Yes, that ones mine. and the (inaudible sounds like medic 106) hers. is hers? Okay. And you recognize this, this is a copy of a card, you recognize that? Yeah, thats one that Lori gave me. Okay. And if I rem ember right that card refers to like a one year anniversary of, of your, well, Lori characterized as basically as a one year anniversary not of your friendship or your knowing each, of your rom M: H: M: H: M: M: H: M: H: ance if you will, and its, is th ere a date on here somewhere? No. I dont think theres a date on here, but apparently it was like It was like December, January, somewhere in there. I think, I dont remember for sure. December or January was when you received the card or I think so when I received the card. Okay, so that would have been reflected of you guys being ah, involved rom antically for a year prior to that? Naw, I think we started being romantic in July, somewhere around June or July, year ago, from this last June or July. Alright. Right in there somewhere. And these are, these are actually the ha computer. Okay. Alright, the only thing rd copies of those photos of nude on the I want to cover one m ore tim e are the H: Okay. H: Okay.

M: Yes.

M: Thats

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conversations, one at a tim e, between, starting out with the, the Best and Marion Morgan conversation in the field that we spoke about. I think weve talked about it twice already. Um, I want, in as much detail as you can conversation? M: Ill give you as m uch detail as I remem ber. He wanted m e to 45 with him, I pulled up, talked about the com plaints some officers had I wasnt doing anything, said, you know, theres this rum or going around about you a nd a dispatcher, and you having som ething going on with them, and I said, yeah, Ive heard that rumor and I said its just rumors, and you know how rumors are. H: M: M: H: Did he also address th e theory or whatev er you want to call it of you getting preferential treatment? That was on the second one I think, when he brought, when that one was (inaudible) well, lets stick with the first one for now. Um, did you ah, we spoke of this before but ah, at that time you would have been involved with Lori, you probably knew who he was referring to and the rumor he was talking about M: H: M: Yes, I did. tell me again why you chose to, to hand wipe the question the way you did? Because I was never directly asked if I was hav ing an affair, or any thing going on with her. I was told theres this rum or going around about you and her and I wasnt going to bring it in the workplace and st art a whole bunch of m ess, so I just said thats rumors for you. H: Okay. Lets move on to the second conversation. I think you know the one were talking about. M: Uh-huh H: (acknowledgement). You, Otero, Best, probably on the 27th of, 27th of June. W henever that PPR entry was . In as much detail as you got. Now I understand that there were performance issues M: Right. H: and all that stuff addressed. But I, I addressed by everybody. want to know how the Lori relationship wa s H: Okay. give m e, what was said during that

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M:

I really dont rem ember other than the sa me way, that you know, theres still this rumor floating around, like I said, I do think ther e was som ething mentioned about you know, somebody said something about her giving me, ah, holding calls, and not giving me calls, or something, and ah, I said no, thats not true. And ah, I said you know, its rumors.

H: M: H:

It seem s to m e that ah, that ah, being

asked that question at

that tim e m ight have

prompted your memory as to whether you were even involved with her at that point. I dont rem ember. Like I said there was two different tim es that we split up and th ere was once, it was, we were apart for about two months. Right. I mean I was, I was told that basically you werent thrilled with either one of those conversations when you were approache certainly after the second one. M: H: M: H: M: No, I wasnt happy after the second one. I mean, did you ever have the, did the thought ever cross your mind, well, yeah, I was but Im not anymore. Were broke up. No. Like I said, Im trying to bracke t it in if there s, if its pos sible th at y ou werent even seeing her at that point. It is possible I wasnt seeing her at that point, cause thats right in one of the time frames, June or Ju ly, right in th ere somewhere where we were ap art for a while. And I was nt even seeing her. And then righ t, in fact, we had just, I think I had just seen her like once when I moved out before that, is when we had just got back together. H: Okay, M: H: M: H: M: H: H: now, When I moved out from the house. explain that to me. We had been apart and when I got booted out of the house over here And when youre talking about booted out of the house, is th is, hows this all line up to this Reid McNally ah, civil standby? Thats all on the same night. Thats booted out of the house that night? Okay. And we were, you were talking. Sorry I interrupted. d. You know, you weren t really happen,

M: Yeah.

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M: H:

And I had just, just went back to seeing her. Just before that. Okay. Alright. I think I am done but I am, Im gonna go ahead and read through the, I got everybodys interviews boiled down that might prompt a couple more questions, and, lot of silences in between. You guys want to take a break or som ething, now might be a good time.

Unidentifiable: Unidentifiable: H:

Yeah, need to go pee. Wheres the restroom at? (57:25 door opening/closing. Long , long silence hear pages Okay, just

Right across the hall.

turning paper shuffling finger tapping door opening/closing 60:26).

for the transcriber, everybodys back in th e room now, its 4 oclock. And, you know what? Im pretty confident that Ive got ev erything on, on the record that we need to do, so. You got anything you want to add? M: H: Go M: Yeah, I have ah, a lot that I want to add, but ahead. ah, you know Ive been doing this job for 25 years here, Sergeant. And Ive taken a lot of pride in upholding the law, pr otecting people, ah, Ive ra ised kids m y whole life, Ive never done anything to any kid th at are underage in any way, ex cept be a parent to them. Ah, Ive never been in vestigated for anything at work, or anywhere else. Ah, till now. And Ive taken a lot of pride in that. Even I.A.s or disciplinary action or anything else. H: M: H: M: H: M: Your saying youve never been through an I.A. investigation before. No. Im saying I have personally havent had an I.A. investigation. Ive been a witness to I.A.s But youve never been a subject. Never been a subject of an I.A. Okay. Im sorry to interrupt you, go ahead. and ah, you know, this stuff with her daughter s, I find it am azing because like I said, we were clos e the whole tim e until the y m oved out, weve be en close ev er sin ce th eyve moved out, nothings ever been said, nothing s ever been brought up, mentioned by them or their m other to m e, in any shape, form or fashion of any of these kind of com plaints, and now all of a sudden I file for divorce a nd ask for (inaudible) custody of m y son and now all this is popping up.

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H: M: H: M: H:

Yeah, its clear that this I think its ludicrous Its clear that this is a situation where you know, people have motive to play games. Im sorry, go on if youve got more. but ah, thats basically it, you know, I Do you have anything else to say to address the possible inconsistencies between your perception of conversations between you an d Sergeant Best, and then conversations between you, Sergeant Best and Corporal Otero?

M:

No. To the best of m y memory, and what I remember of t he conversations, that is what took place. Is there a possibility that come out? Absolutely. you know, we m isunderstood each and it d idnt

H:

Am I clear in m y understanding that alt hough you knew what subject they were poking into, you chose not to volunteer any information in an effort to keep the subject out of the workplace realm?

M: H: H: M: H:

That is fact. Anything else you want to add? it. Alrighty. You got some documents there that you want to add to the records? No, its just Okay. Well end the interview at 16:03.

M: Thats

Transcribed by Debbie Chastain, A dministrative Assistant to the Chief of Police, Bullhead City Police Department. December 8, 2009.

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