SPEAKER_01: Hi, Brian.

SPEAKER_00: Hi.
SPEAKER_01: So I was just having the fantasy that just from knowing you, that life
is pretty amazing and that it's easy for you to know how to be with women and open
women. So I'm curious about curious to check out my fantasy if that's true or where
you are in relationship to you.
SPEAKER_00: To women? Something more specific than that?
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I guess I just want to know the places where you still struggle,
or that aren't easy and flowing.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. It's funny. The thing that I've become aware of most recently is
since as AMP has grown in popularity and respect and people know who we are and
they respect the work and people, there's just lots of good word of mouth, lots of
good karma out there about AMP. And I've found that it's actually like so there's
lots of people who are drawn to the work, lots of women who are drawn to the work.
And I'm kind of the instant guy, me and Decker, kind of the instant alpha guys or
whatever you want to call it. In any tribe, there's people who are good at what we
do. There's a group that forms around it. Even I remember I went back to my little
brother. I went to visit my family last week back in Missouri. And my little
brother plays Bicycle Polo, which he took me to his bike polo thing. And they play
it in an old roller rink, or like a hockey rink, outdoors. And it's on concrete and
they're on these shitty little bikes, these old beat up bikes. And they've got
these mallets made from ski poles and little plastic. But it's a hard little ball
and they can crack it. And it takes a lot of skill. They gave me a bike and a
mallet. And it was just so much fun. It was so fun. It's all these hipster bike
polo guys. But there was a culture there. And the girls who were at the bike polo
thing, the guy who was the best at bike polo, it was her boyfriend. And it was
like, oh, in any culture, there's always this tends to be somebody at the center,
like whoever created it or whoever has some skill. So I found a craft. And I found
a skill set that I'm good at, which is circling and getting in there with guys and
coaching. And we have this company around us and we facilitate game science and
stuff. So that's made meeting people really easy, and meeting women really easy.
And it doesn't push my edges at all to meet people in that context to meet women.
But I find myself still drawn to pushing my edges around meeting a woman who
doesn't know me or hasn't met me before. I'm not vouched for by a whole bunch of
people. It feels kind of like cheating in some ways to be inside my social circles.
Not because I want to meet more women, because I feel like probably the type of
women I'm most drawn to are going to be women who are into the same things I'm into
anyway. Those people can appreciate what I've been cultivating over the last 10
years or whatever. But it's still like when I went to Thailand, nobody knows me.
And I'm just some nobody.
SPEAKER_01: So it was really based on your being with them in the moment.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it was definitely more challenging. And it's a challenge
that I seek out. I find that my own insecurities and places where I could be more
whole and where I could be more loving of myself. And where all my weird quirks
come out, that they show up when I'm meeting women in particular that I've never
met before. And the intensity of those moments, I'm drawn to that in a way that
I've always been drawn. And I think that's been a big piece of what's created AMP
is this almost like an obsession of like, what the fuck has me stop being myself
whenever I'm relating with a woman that I've never met before? Like, what the fuck
is that? And I refuse to be dominated by that. Like I want to be my available,
creative, playful, silly ass self, no matter who I'm relating with. Yeah. And so I
still feel drawn to that. And it's still scary. It's still scary like the cold
approach, like cold approaching women. And I'm a lot more grounded and centered in
myself when I do that now than before. But lately it's just like I don't find
myself pushing that edge much just situationally because I'm so embedded inside of
these, inside of our communities. That's part of why I've been feeling kind of a
desire to move to New York. And I was thinking about moving to New York next month
for at least a few months and helping set up authentic world New York. But part of
it is also like I'm gonna totally, just to push, just to explore these new edges of
being in a completely unfamiliar environment. And I'll end up building the same
thing that we have out here, but it'll be from a place of just starting over. And
there's something about that that appeals to me and is challenging.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah. So it sounds like that place where most, the place that most men
want to avoid, which is just like all of that awkwardness and getting to feel those
places inside of us where we still not right with ourselves. Yeah. It's like that's
a place that you lean into to grow. Totally. What kind of stuff comes up for you?
Like when you're in Thailand and meeting women who didn't know you and know what
you're about.
SPEAKER_00: In Thailand it was challenging. Loneliness comes up. Just like the
people that I have in my life, they're like, we don't have to make small talk. We
have networks of relationships that we're continually referring to and relating to.
We have lots of shared reality. We have a shared context for what our interests are
and stuff. And so it was definitely challenging to find people who had shared
values. I think that was really important to me because I'm not, I just get fucking
bored by the things most people find interesting, I guess. And I think that's my
own limitation. I see that as my own limitation. That's what I love about getting
someone else's world is there's a whole universe out in even people who I'd say are
not into the same stuff I am. And there's beauty to be celebrated there. And so it
was really just a sweet challenge also to allow it to be enough to see the beauty
and the people who normally I wouldn't spend any time with who I wouldn't think
that I wanna relate to but that we could find, not even find common ground but just
to understand their world more.
SPEAKER_01: You know, when you find yourself getting bored or the people who don't
feel like they're available for connection, like is it easy for you to like,
peacefully back out of those conversations?
SPEAKER_00: Well, usually I'll just push until they, like I'll be like, oh, it
seemed like you didn't wanna talk about that. Like I'll speak the moment and at my
best I'm speaking the moment all the way down till they're like, yeah, actually I
don't like, huh, okay. You know, if that's the case or, but it's really just rare
actually that that happens. And it's usually my own limitation. If I'm not, it's
like like Bernie, do you ever meet Bernie? Our friend, me and Decker's from
college. She's like, if you don't like somebody, it's cause you don't know them. I
don't care if you don't like somebody, you don't know them and that sticks for me
because that's been proven to me time and again.
SPEAKER_01: Mm hmm. Yeah, this is all other, constantly unfolding human being in
front of you. Yeah. And then there's also, you know, just like chemistry.
SPEAKER_00: Chemistry and flow.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. It's, yeah. I think that everybody, with the quality of
attention and that kind of curiosity, I think anybody is, most people are gonna
open to that. I really think most people are. And if they don't, that's gonna be
fascinating too. Right, yeah. So.