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30 Series Field Issues and Bulletings
30 Series Field Issues and Bulletings
Field Issues:
30 Series
Packaged Chillers
Woody Clark
Syracuse, NY
NE Regional Service Managers Meeting 2008
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General Topics
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Leroy-Somer
• 30RAN010,015,018,035 & 040 utilize
two-speed condenser fan motor.
– High failure rate experienced
when used with MMV.
– GE single speed 1140 rpm New GE Fan Motor
fan motor will replace Leroy-
Somer dual speed 1140/570
rpm motor for use with MMV.
– SSN 4207Qnnnnn units
ordered with the
Motormaster FIOP will ship
with the new motor.
– Will continue to use 5 hp
MM-V with this motor.
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• Field Installed
to include Motormaster
single V Accessory Kits have recently been updated
speed motor.
– Previously single speed motor had to be purchased separately for field
installation. This was not clear to Sales Engineers.
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– Compressor Failures
– Medium Temperature Brine
– High Motor Temperature Alarms
– Filter Driers
– MCHX
– Software
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Phase
Monitor
Timer &
Contactor
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MBB
To All Controls
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– A
the1K resistor
SPM may connected
be used toto
temporarily bypass the PTC
for troubleshooting
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• Checklist provided
available on HVACwith replacement compressor. Also
Partners.
• Need to receive a checklist for every failure.
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• Flooding
– Units with glycol in the chilled water system for freeze
protection have to be configured for brine
(Configuration>SERV>FLUD=2).
• P.40,41,42 - Repeated Low Suction Temperature Override
– Brine freeze setpoint should be set to the freeze point of the
antifreeze solution. (Configuration>SERV>LOSP).
• Default has been increased from 14°F to 34°F.
– Don’t be afraid to raise the superheat setpoint if flooding is
witnessed (Configuration>SERV>SHP.x). Default is 7.2°F.
• Increasing the superheat to 10°F or 12°F will help.
• You should not see foaming in the oil level sightglass during
steady-state operation.
• Discharge superheat should be approximately 30°F or higher.
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• Flooding
– Check accuracy of thermistors and transducers. Have received
reports of inaccurate readings which may affect superheat
control.
HPS ENRV
SPT
SGT
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• Flooding
– Check compressor oil level.
• If oil level is too high logging may occur in the cooler.
• Approach (LWT-SST) will be high >15°F.
• This may occur as the result of replacing a compressor.
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Micro-Channel Condenser
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• Refrigerant leaks
– Have received reports of
leaks around flange
connections.
– Investigation has
determined that nuts are
not properly tightened.
– Torque Nuts to 12 ft-lbs
– +/-
Has3.not been necessary
to replace EDPM washer.
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• Refrigerant leaks
– Have received reports of leaks in face and header.
• Header leaks are typically manufacturing issues.
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• Points of interest
– Top and bottom tubes are
inactive serving as
reinforcement.
• The cuts are designed to
prevent any failures in the
event that there is a significant
amount of thermal expansion
or contraction between the
parts.
– DO NOT USE a razor knife
to remove protective cover.
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• Refrigerant leaks
– If a leak occurs in the face of
the coil it can be repaired in
the field.
– All DOA coils should be
replaced and returned for
analysis.
– Be aware of corrosion issues.
Coastal and Industrial
corrosion are primary concern.
– New Coil to
are soon Selection Guidelines
be released.
– E-Coat MCHX is being tested.
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Repair / Replacement
Non-corrosive flux
Repair Wire
316 SS Mask set
Replacement Center
Instant Adhesive
RCD Repair Kit Coil Replacement
50TJ660007
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30RB
• Units with MCHX MCHX Refrigerant Charge [lbs]
condenser coils are very Unit A B C Total
sensitive to refrigerant Size Old New Old New Old New Old New
60 48 43 22 21 - - 70 64
charge. 70 59 43 22 21 - - 81 64
80 36 34 36 36 - - 72 70
100 51 43 51 45 - - 102 88
or tripping on high pressure. 110 51 46 61 56 - - 112 102
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• Med Temp Brine Option (+15 F to +40°F)
• 30RBA060-100
- Special modifications not required
• 30RBA110-390
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30RB Software Change Summary (2)
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30RB Software Change Summary (3)
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• –Version
Added3.01 key
welded changes:
contactor SSNand
detection 1707Q
management
• Welded contactor alarm is generated (Ct.01,Ct.02,Ct.03)
• EXV and Fan control shall go back to normal operation
• Unit shall shut down and remain at 0% capacity
• Cooler pump shall be controlled to ON
– The welded contactor management is cancelled if one of following
conditions occur
• Cooler flow switch failure
• High pressure trip
• Cooler freeze protection alarm
– Modified “Black Box” data management
• PCDCT ver. 1.5.3 or higher required
– Improve compressor operating envelope protection.
– Improve Dual Chiller control
• If compressor is disabled algorithm will correctly declare it unavailable
and allow lag chiller to start.
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30RB Software Change Summary (4)
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• –Version 4.00
Improve key changes:
fan control especially(Service
to ensure Release Only)
correct SST at OAT below
57°F
– Correct a bug on fan controls introduced in version 3.01 which
could cause fan cycles at low OAT
Added configuration parameters for MCHX exchanger,
– desuperheater option and Danfoss VFD configuration
• Desuperheater and Danfoss VFD is not offered at this time
– Added ability to “force” pump operation from Scrolling Marquee
– Brine freeze setpoint default value is 34°F instead of 14°F
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30RB Software Change Summary (5)
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• –Version
Added4.01 changes:
several (SSN
config items 4407Q)
Scrolling Marquee Display
• VLT FAN DRIVE SELECT (Not Supported)
– Configuration>UNIT>VLT.S = 0
• VLT FAN DRIVE RPM (Not Supported)
– Configuration>UNIT>RPM.F = 0
• MCHX SELECT (Must be configured to YES if unit has MCHX)
– Configuration>UNIT>MCHX = YES
• ATTACH DRIVE TO FAN x (x = Ckt. A,B,C)
– Configuration>SERV>AVFx = NO
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30RB Software Change Summary (6)
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• –Currently field
Complaints testing
of P.16 Version
thru P.27 5.02 Not Started or Pressure
Compressor
not established alarms.
• Reduced threshold for compressor startup detection from 10 PSI to
3 PSI at start if EWT < 50°F.
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30XA Aquaforce Field Issues
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• Software Issues
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30XA Cooler Heater Failures
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• Root Cause
– Cooler heater failure due to high watt density
• Heaters overheat and burn out (fail open)
• Heaters are rated for 500w @ 120v
• Nominal heater resistance is 28.8 +/- 1.4
ohms
– Oil Separator Heaters are also affected
• Same part as cooler heater
• Less failures due to the separator not
being insulated
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30XA Cooler Heater Failures
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• Solution
– Beginning with s/n 1007Qnnnnn units were being shipped with 2
500w cooler heaters wired in series.
• In this configuration power is reduced to 125w for each heater
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30XA Cooler Heater Failures
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• Solution
– Beginning with serial number 2607Qnnnnn a new style belly band
heater has been incorporated.
• Each heater is rated at 400 watts vs. 500 watts previously.
• The new cooler heater design provides freeze protection to 0°F is
without pump control and to -20°F with pump control.
– SMB07-0048 announced a rework
program to install insertion heaters
which will be located in the cooler
heads similar to the 30GX cooler
heaters.
– SMB08-0018 announced a rework
program to inspect units for possible
wiring error.
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30XA Oil Separator Heater Failures
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• Root Cause
– Heater failure due to high watt density
• Same part as cooler heater
• Heaters overheat and burn out (fail open)
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30XA Oil Separator Heater Failures
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• Solution
– A new oil separator heater is now
available. Part Number is
00PPN800000300A.
• Units
serial produced starting with
number 1108Qnnnnn
have the new heater installed.
• Heater is still rated @ 500w.
Contains integral thermostat
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30XA Software incompatibility with CPM
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• All MBB software is not backward compatible with all CPM versions.
– CPM may also be referred to as TCPM.
• TCPM=Thunderbolt Compressor Protection Module.
– Testing indicates that HPS trips will not be displayed as alarms unless
unit is equipped with manual reset switch.
• 00PPG000444400A HPS w/ manual reset implemented SSN 2806Q.
– Version 4.01 software was to field tested to verify corrections.
– Units with ver. 1.0 CPM work with MBB ver. 2.06 and lower w/o replacing
HPS.
** : 30XA software version 3.02 associated with CPM v ersion 1.0 causes the EXV stay at the startup position.
* : 30XA software version 4.X associated with CPM version 1.0 can not perform the welded contactor management.
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30XA Software incompatibility with CPM
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30XA Compressor will not start
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• Situation:
– Compressor will not run and no alarms displayed
• Units are inadvertently shipped from the factory with the
compressors disabled or incorrectly configured in the field.
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30XA Software Change Summary (1)
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• Information
– The following operational issues have been reported involving
30XA software versions up to and including version 1.05
(CSA-SR-20C470105).
• When operating at low loads, under some circumstances hot gas
can pass uncondensed through portions of the condenser coils.
The bypassed hot gas, mixed with condensed refrigerant, may
boost cooler saturated suction temperature higher than cooler
water temperatures. This can generate Alarms Pr.04, Pr.05,
Pr.06, “Suction Pressure Transducer Failure”. The EXV will
typically be fully open or close to fully open to pass the mixed
phase fluid.
• When configured for medium brine, low saturated suction
temperature capacity override will be erroneously based on the
default water freeze point (34°F) rather than the configured brine
freeze point. Compressor will not load up.
• Does not support “Black Box” feature.
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30XA Software Change Summary (2)
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• Information
– Version 2.01 (CSA-SR-20C470201) was released for production
with units having serial numbers beginning with 2406Qnnnnn.
This version includes the following changes:
• Software is modified to handle the Touch Pilot (“High Tier”) touch
screen display.
• The conditions for Suction Pressure Transducer Failure, Pr.04, Pr.05,
Pr.06, now require that the EXV be less than 50% open. This
eliminates declaration of these alarms under the conditions described
in SITUATION above.
• When configured for medium brine, low saturated suction
temperature capacity override now is based on the configured brine
freeze point LO.SP.
• “Black Box” data acquisition feature now supported
– Discharge gas temperatures are added to the set of points collected.
• Detection was added for swapped water temperature sensors.
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30XA Software Change Summary (3)
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• Information (cont’d)
• EXV operation is modified for the case of discharge gas temperature
below 180°F.
• An extra 10 second delay is added before declaring a low suction
temperature alarm for brine.
– Anomalies
• Operating compressor(s) in Service Test with Navigator does not
work with Version 2.01.
• Condenser fans will start and run for short periods of time when the
unit is OFF.
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30XA Software Change Summary (4)
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• Information
– Version 2.06 (CSA-SR-20C470206) was released for production
with units having serial numbers beginning with 1107Qnnnnn.
This version includes the following changes:
• Corrected unintentional operation of condenser fans
• Modified head pressure control routine for brine applications to
eliminate P.78,P.79,P.80 high discharge temperature alarms
– If LBT>28°F the condensing temperature setpoint is not allowed
to increase at startup during low ambient conditions
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30XA Software Change Summary (5)
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• Information
– Version 3.01 (CSA-SR-20C470301) was released for production
with units having serial numbers beginning with 4107Qnnnnn.
This version includes the following changes:
• Improvement on compressor capacity control : at startup, 10%
increase instead of 5% allows unit to load quicker.
• Remove access to heat reclaim and heat pump parameters on
Navigator display.
• Add missing CCN variables for Data Collection tool and Best ++
access (CURREN_A …)
• Corrected problem with Start/Stop mode based on time schedule not
working when using Touch Pilot display.
• Improve the timing management to detect oil pressure and
economizer pressure failure
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30XA Software Change Summary (6)
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• Information
– Version 3.02 (CSA-SR-20C470302) was released for production
with units having serial numbers beginning with 1608Qnnnnn.
This version includes the following changes:
• Pump 1 output is duplicated at MBB-J2B
• Corrected "slide valve unverifiable" alert and improved slide valve
reactivity.
• Corrected bug on slide valve control on triple circuit : it was possible
to have 2 circuits with 30% load
• Add hydraulic kit sensors management (not supported)
• Add welded contactor management
• Change the item name "cpb_cur" into "cpc_cur" for circuit C
maintenance table
• Improve capacity control (fast unloading) to protect against freeze
alarm in case of quick building load decrease
• Device description change will now be saved and not over written.
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30XA Software Change Summary (7)
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• Information
– Version 5.00 (CSA-SR-20C470500) was released for production
with units having serial numbers beginning with 2708Qnnnnn.
This version includes the following changes:
• Allows operation with CPM version 1.
– (Backward compatibility issue. MBB ver. 3.02 would not work with CPM
ver. 1.0)
• Integrate 30XW (water-cooled) application
• Extend fastload range to 4 for future fast loading function
– (not supported)
• Change alarm text for alarms "P-37 to 39 and P-81 to P-83
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30GX/HX ICM to TI CPM Conversion
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30GX/HX ICM to TI CPM Conversion
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ICM TI
CPM
Toroid
Overload
(Not req’d w/ TI)
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30GX/HX Software Change Summary (1)
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• Version 2.1
– Corrects situation of MBB loss of control of compressor protection
board (CCP).
• Symptoms of problem are failure to be able to operate outputs or read
inputs from CCP.
– Oil soienoid and motor cooling solenoid will not function
– Motor temperature indicates 0°F
• Prior to Ver. 2.1, solution was to temporarily change configured number
of Circuit A compressors from 1 to 2 then back to 1.
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Latest Software Versions (9/10/2008)
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