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A.N.Z. J. Fam. Ther., 1989, Vol. 10, No.1, pp. 1-6

Thinking About the Emotional Interaction of


Therapist and Family
Carmel Flaskas*

The emotional interaction of therapist and family has been difficult to explore within the field of systemic family therapy. This paper looks
at ways of thinking about this process. As a starting point, 1 take some feelings I had with three families in the course of therapy. These
are used to illustratesome conceptsfrom analytic therapy whichaddress the emotional interaction oftherapistand family. The kind of theoretical
space and guidance offered within systemic family therapy is then explored, and it seems that the Milan frame gives some space for thinking
about the process but offers little guidance as to exactly how this might be done. This is a paper about practice, though it's primarily a
theoretical discussion. There is no aim of establishing a 'correct' way of understanding the emotional interaction of therapist and family.

INTRODUCTION feelings and how we understand them, then tell you about
some feelings I had in the process of therapy with three
I'm interested in exploring the emotional interaction of
families. I want to make some sense of these feelings using
therapist and family in the process of family therapy. Along
concepts from analytic (or psychodynamic) therapy, and
with feelings and emotions in general, the emotional inter-
finally consider what kind of space systemic family therapy,
action of therapist and family has been difficult to explore
and the Milan framework in particular, allows for making
within the traditions of systemic family therapy. I like to
sense of the emotional interaction of therapist and family.
think that feelings and emotions are tentatively creeping
back onto the agenda of systemic family therapy. Some
SOME THOUGHTS ON FEELINGS
papers presented at the national Women in Family Therapy
Meetings come to mind here (Kamsler and Webster, 1985; Initially I wanted to call this paper "Feelings and Families".
Goding et al., 1987), and there has been a more regular There's no doubt that it's a snappier title, but a fundamental
appearance of articles in this journal which give some space ambiguity around the idea of feelings stopped me using it.
to emotional issues (for example: Quadrio, 1986; Morawetz, The ambiguity is this. It's very easy to think of feelings as
1987; Jackson, 1988). belonging to someone - my feelings, your feelings, her
But perhaps it's misleading to make a blanket statement feelings - to the point that feelings almost become sealed
about the absence of emotions and feelings in the field of off as a strictly intrapersonal issue. Family therapy is, of
systemic family therapy. It's probably more accurate to course, much more interested in the inter-personal, and
identify the absence as being in the theory and discussion indeed one of its main theoretical building blocks has been
of family therapy, because I find it hard to believe that an opposition to therapies which primarily concern
feelings could ever have been taken off our practice agendas. themselves with the intrapersonal or intra-psychic.
Rather, I think it became harder to think about feelings Perhaps partly for this reason, feelings have been written
within the theory confines of systemic family therapy and out of systemic family therapy in a number of different
harder to talk about feelings in a milieu which privileges ways. Though structural and strategic models do not
techniques, miraculous interventions and the absolute virtues preclude the acknowledgement of feelings, in both
of cybernetics and the new epistemology. Of course, the frameworks feelings are primarily relegated to the status of
reality of practice is that we negotiate emotions constantly, strategy. Minuchin, for example, allows the possibility of
both the family's and our own, and that this is sometimes using the family's feelings in the process of joining, as a
problematic and sometimes not. One way or the other, guide for assessment or in specific therapeutic techniques
though, the emotional interaction of therapist and family such as enactment (see Minuchin, 1974). Within a strategic
is a rich aspect of therapy and deserves to be talked about
and theorised.
'Carmel Flaskas works in a child and family counselling team at Canterbury
What I plan to do here, then, is to layout some ideas, Community Health Centre and teaches social work at the University of
not as any kind of blue-print, but simply as one way of New South Wales (PO Box I, Kensington, NSW 2033).
talking and thinking about the emotional interaction of An earlier version of this paper was presented at the 1988 National Women
therapist and family. I'll begin with some thoughts about and Family Therapy Meeting held in Orford, Tasmania.
Flaskas

framework, feelings again can be used as a guide to On the basis of this understanding of feelings, I'll now
assessment, as a tactic in interventions or in strategically re- offer some examples of the emotional interaction of
framing the family's dilemma. In both structural and therapist and family, taking as a starting point my own
strategic models, behavioural sequences take theoretical feelings in the process of therapy with three families.t
preference over emotional sequences, and Brian Cade
captures this distinction nicely when he writes of strategic SCENES FROM PRACTICE
approaches: Scene 1
Thus clear problem definition in terms of actual behaviour is I've just seen a family for the first time. The referral had
important, rather than using predicates such as 'he is naughty' come from the school nurse - the older girl had gone to
or 'I am depressed'. Questions such as "What exactly does he
see her about her eight year old brother who she thought
do that you consider naughty?", or, "How does your feeling
was eating too much and getting too fat. The mother had
of sadness affect your behaviour?" can encourage a more
detailed analysis (1987, page 41). contacted, unsure about whether there really was a problem
and whether counselling was a good idea. It turned out that
With the new epistemology, feelings scarcely get a look-
the father had suicided two years before after a long history
in, and can be actively censored if they're seen to be part
of depression and illness. Throughout the whole session, I
and parcel of the dreaded linear epistemology. In the Milan
feel like I'm walking on eggshells. I race home after it's
framework, the therapist should orient to emotion more in
finished and change to go out - then catch sight of myself
terms of how it's shown rather than how it's felt. This shift in the mirror: I'd dressed all in black. "Good grief,
is most clearly discussed in Paradox and Counter-Paradox, Carmel", I think, "you look like you're going to a funeral" .
the early work of the Milan associates (Palazzo Ii et al., 1978,
pages 26-28), and continues to inform their later work. The Scene 2
theoretical priority here is not the behavioural sequence but The parents had contacted for help with a five year old girl
rather the context of relationships and sequence of meaning - the presenting problem was temper tantrums. Over the
in the family. past three years they'd sought help from a social worker who
I have never felt comfortable with the idea of viewing offered behaviour management and supportive casework,
emotion as merely something which is shown. I react against a child psychiatric clinic where a registrar had begun an
it because it seems to me to be a negation of my own orthodox assessment, and a therapist at another community
experience of emotions, and I think probably of the health centre who'd used a Michael White-type frame. While
experience of most people I work with in therapy. I may the family's name was on the waiting list, I was contacted
show that I'm depressed in certain kinds of ways and to by an officer from the child welfare department - there
certain people and my showing this becomes part of had been a notification of the child, and the worker believed
particular interactional sequences, but I don't just show I'm that tension was very high and that there was a significant
depressed, I feel it, and when I do it's painful. It is perhaps risk of abuse.
this potential denial of individual pain which bothers me In the second session, I was exploring how the mother
most. Yet I think the thing I like about the Milan shift from and father could tell the difference between an extreme
feeling emotions to showing emotions is that it reminds us version of a normal five year old tantrum and a "real turn".
that we only ever feel things in the context of relationships, The mother gave me an example of a "real turn" which had
whether it's current relationships or the history of past happened several months before. The daughter was shouting
relationships we bring to all our current interactions. So the and screaming and running around the house. Her behaviour
one nice thing I find in the Milan frame of showing emotions was so severe that her mother thought she might have
is that it very clearly names feelings as always inter-personal. become possessed by a devil - her eyes had changed and
Now if I thought I could say "feelings" and convey this she had a terrible look, "it was pure evil". The mother and
interpersonal context, I'd just use it with gay abandon and father stripped the child and put her in the shower, and she
scrap the more formal and one-step removed notion of became even more uncontained. At the point of possession
"emotional interaction". But in the end, as you can see, by the devil, my stomach turned, I had a sick feeling and
I chose to use "emotional interaction" in the title of this for a short period found it difficult to stay in touch with
paper. For the time being, it is a safer option and less the parents. I also had a sense of panic and fear for the child.
ambiguous because it clearly indicates that I'm talking about
a process that is happening between at least two people. Scene 3
We could dignify this way of understanding feelings by I see a family over an eighteen month period. There is one
calling it an interactional concept of feelings. Indeed, I could child, and she is presented at age twelve with sleeping
claim legitimacy for it by pointing out that it is a non-linear difficulties and temper outbursts. It takes her up to three
view of feelings in direct line with Bateson's ecological view hours to go to sleep and she wakes every night. Her mother
of relationships and the new epistemology. However, we finds herself having to sleep with her. The daughter has in
don't need to invoke Bateson in this discussion, and I will fact never learned to sleep easily and by herself. The doctor
be happy enough if we proceed with a rough idea of feelings
as always interpersonal, and we can back this up with the tPlease note: I have changed some details of the families' situations in the
great historic truth: it takes at least two to tango. interests of confidentiality.

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has been prescribing medication, and four years before the split off, and handed over in the context of the relationship
parents were on the brink of going ahead with a foster with the therapist. The therapist in turn takes these feelings
placement for the child. The mother has a history of on board and experiences them, at least initially, as if they
different family care-givers as a child, and of long-term were their own. Projective identification is an unconscious
sexual abuse. The father also has a difficult background. process, and is by no means a concept of pathology.
In retrospect, the therapy progressed fairly evenly. This It's probably worth underlining that these three concepts
was masked by cycles of major backslides, which the family - transference, counter-transference and projective identifi-
found very difficult. I also find the backslides difficult, at cation - are all interactional descriptions. For the sake of
times wish I'd never see them again and feel really hopeless clarity, I will use counter-transference in this discussion to
and inadequate as a therapist. As I write this, I wonder about refer to feelings which primarily come from the therapist
the order of these feelings - my hunch is that the feelings and are triggered in the therapy, and projective identification
of hopelessness and inadequacy are first past the post, and to refer to the feelings the therapist has which come from
the not wanting to see them again comes up fast to protect the client. I'd now like to say something about my feelings
me against feeling too hopeless and inadequate. In fact, with the three families using these concepts.
during the most painful backslide, I have a fantasy. I will The first scene is I think a fairly clear and simple example
go to the receptionist and beg "please oh please Flo, ring of projective identification. I was aware in the session of
and tell them I've died and they'll just have to go somewhere feeling like I was walking on eggshells, and acting with a
else from now on". I really felt I couldn't bear to see them carefulness and tentativeness in line with this feeling. But
again. at another level, I took away a feeling which I had not been
Now I'd like to make some sense of these feelings. In each aware of, and didn't recognise until I saw myself in the
case they were quite powerful, and it would be nice to think mirror, dressed in funeral clothes. I felt like I was going to
about them in terms of the process of therapy and in a way a funeral, which I think was the feeling the family had in
that might be helpful to me as the therapist. coming to the first session and which resulted behaviourally
in all the cues which then made me feel like I was walking
USING CONCEPTS FROM ANALYTIC THERAPY on eggshells. Later I suspected that for the mother at least,
life had been a funeral since her husband had suicided. I
Concepts from analytic theory can be used as one way of think there was very little of my own emotional issues
making some sense of the feelings I had with these families. involved in my feeling the family's feelings. The mirror
I think the framework of the analytic therapies offers the image showed me an incongruity, and when I thought of
most developed conceptualisation of the emotional inter- the family I'd just seen, I realised I in fact didn't want to
action of therapist and client/family. This is because the wear funeral clothes at all.
process of change within analytic therapies is seen to come But I think something more complicated went on with the
about through the relationship of therapist and second family. It was I think partly my own counter-
client/family. In terms of therapeutic practice, then, analytic transference, and partly projective identification. My
therapy is intensely relational and the primary emphasis is stomach always turns in reaction to abuse, and I found the
on the interaction of client/family and therapist. story of the parents seeing a five year old child as possessed,
Now there are three concepts which can be used to address stripping her off and forcing her into the shower triggering
specifically the interaction of therapist and client/family. a particular reaction. Quite simply, I don't like to look at
The first is the concept of transference, which refers to the abuse, I find it difficult and painful. I distance myself from
feelings that the client brings to their experience of the feeling that, and it doesn't surprise me that for a time I felt
relationship with the therapist, and the pattern or the unable to stay in touch with the mother or father, that I
dynamic that becomes set up in the process of interaction found myself looking at them but not really seeing them.
with the therapist. In the tango of analytic therapy, the other In fact, when the mother said her child's eyes were pure evil,
side of this interaction is counter-transference, which I thought "your eyes are pure evil".
describes the feelings which are stirred up in the therapist Now I could just censor this thought, tell myself that it's
during the process of therapy, and which in turn become a dreadful thing for a therapist to think, not to mention
part of the emotional interaction of the therapy. These linear, and most unhelpful in maintaining engagement. But
feelings might be the kind that the therapist brings to the it seems to me that I wasn't the only person involved in that
therapy from her own life which become triggered in the kind of emotional response. The mother clearly found
course of the therapy. Alternatively, these feelings might be something unbearable in the level of her daughter's anger
more complicated in origin, and come about by the therapist and fear, and handled it by not seeing her as a five year old
feeling some of the feelings that the client or family is child but as possessed by an evil spirit. The child in turn
experiencing. probably threw that back at the mother in the same way I
The third concept of projective identification addresses did - you're evil; no, you are; no, you are - and so it
and extends the idea that the therapist sometimes feels things became passed around the family like an emotional hot
that the client is experiencing. The theory goes like this: potato. As the therapist, I had taken up a place in the family
within therapy (and not just within therapy) the person or and my reaction was to want to follow the same sequence.
family is likely to have feelings which are unmanageable, During the time I was out of touch with the parents, I was
unacceptable or just too painful to bear. These feelings are intensely aware of the child in the room, and right at that
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point I think I had taken the place of the child and felt interested right now in using it to comment on the process
something of what she felt. It was a rugged interaction to of distancing that occurs when we write about families. It's
be involved in, and it may well have been that I wasn't the as if we try to occupy some privileged external position as
only person who felt sick and fearful. commentator of the "case-study". This is a problem, as
In a way, I think my own counter-transference meshed there is no such position and because we have real'
with the projective identification, but if I had to separate relationships with families that we work with. I have a real
them out, I'd guess that 15070 was to do with my own feelings relationship with this family, even though I no longer see
and 85% fitted with the family's. them and am now writing about my experience of them in
The third situation was also rather murky. Those of us this paper. My desire to add the comment can serve as a
who choose to work as therapists generally don't like to feel reminder of the reality of the relationship of therapist and
inadequate and hopeless. I certainly don't. But what I family, despite the distancing that occurs in the process of
noticed in the pattern of backslides with this family was the writing. It can also prompt me to be self-conscious of my
extremeness of my own reaction to them. I found it really choice of "emotional interaction", which is a quasi-
difficult to hold on to the concrete evidence that the family behavioural description, rather in line with the very
had shifted in the process of therapy, and while the backslide traditions in systemic family therapy of censoring (or at least
was on it was as if the changes counted for nothing. sanitising) the emotional aspects of therapy.
I think these proportions were more the family's than my
own. All the family found the backslides difficult to bear. SYSTEMIC FAMILY THERAPY:
The mother seemed to feel the hopelessness most and showed A SPACE WITHIN MILAN?
it in agitation and depression, the father felt a failure and
would become angry, while the daughter felt powerless and But for the moment, let's leave an analytic way of thinking
excluded. In the most difficult backslide, the parents thought about my feelings with these families. I want to explore the
again about fostering their daughter. I was taken aback by kind of space systemic family therapy allows for an under-
the sudden push for exclusion, yet it was mirrored in the standing of the emotional interaction of therapist and
feelings I had as therapist - the parents wanted the daughter family.
to go somewhere else, I wanted the family to go to another Exploring the conceptual space allowed by a particular
therapist. The mother especially felt almost unbearably theoretical framework can at times be like dancing with a
hopeless and worthless, and the extremeness of my own shadow, so it might help if I draw some rough distinctions
feelings of inadequacy as a therapist was in line with this. before I move on. Here I'm asking the questions "Can the
In my fantasy, I felt it was a life and death issue - I would emotional interaction of therapist and family be thought
die, and then they'd have to go somewhere else. For about in this framework, and if so how?" Now it might be
goodness sakes, it was a fantasy, I could have had an helpful to think of three possibilities:
extended holiday in Tuscany and got away that way! I think (1) There could be a framework which makes it almost
the fantasy that I would need to die was probably the impossible to think about a particular process, because
mother's. I will just comment that the proportions of these the theoretical constructs which define the framework
feelings are not uncommon for someone who has survived actively censor or exclude the process. We could say such
a very painful past with a major early loss, changes in a framework allows no space for the process to be
caregivers and then long-term sexual abuse. thought about.
So I'm saying that one way of thinking about my feelings (2) There could be a framework which does not address a
in working with this family, is to think about them in terms particular process, but where the theoretical constructs
of projective identification, that I took some of their feelings which define the framework are not in opposition to that
on board and felt them as if they were my own. There was process being explored. We could say that such a
a danger in my counter-transference. I toyed with the idea framework allows some space for the process to be
of in reality referring them to another therapist. Had I felt thought about, but offers little guidance as to how it
more vulnerable to feeling hopeless, I may well have acted might be thought about.
on this. I feel quite sure that this would have been the wrong (3) There could be a framework which actively addresses
thing to do. a particular process, and where this theorising is part
I would like to make one last comment here, and it is more and parcel of the theoretical constructs which define the
a comment on the process of writing about work with framework. Such a framework both allows space for the
families. In writing about my feelings with the last family, process and gives a particular way in which it can be
I kept wanting to make this addition: "Of course, I had these thought about.
'negative' feelings in the context of a close therapeutic With respect to the emotional interaction of therapist and
connection with this family, and very much respected and family, analytic therapy is an example of this third kind of
liked the three individuals". I resisted adding this, because framework. With some qualification, I think structural and
it kept reading as a defensive and unnecessary comment. strategic models of family therapy are an example of the
I then realised that I wanted to say this, not so much to the first kind, and the Milan model is an example of a
readers of this journal, but to the family themselves. framework which offers some space but little guidance.
This could be used to tell us more about the projective The qualification I'd like to make about structural and
identification and my counter-transference, but I am more strategic models is this. Both allow a small amount of space
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for addressing the emotional interaction of therapist and rigorous application of Bateson's work and his premise that
family, but it is essentially a descriptive and pragmatic space the unit of evolution and change is the interaction within
rather than a conceptual or explanatory space. Minuchin a system rather than anyone side of the relationship. Thus,
does in fact write of a process akin to transference when applied to family therapy, the unit of evolution and change
he uses "induction", which can be understood from his is the interaction within the system, which includes the
writing as the process of the therapist' 'conforming to the therapist's interaction with the family, not anyone side of
habitual pathways of the family" (Goding et al., 1987, page the relationship within the system. This is quite different
6). If this is seen to be helpful to the therapy, the therapist from the structural and strategic notions of the therapist
might "accommodate" to these pathways as a planned inter- acting on or intervening in the family system.
vention. However, the therapist could unwittingly experience The Milan associates themselves do not use a special label
an induction into the family system, and this could have to describe this idea of the formation of a special therapeutic
negative effects. This is called "suction" and should be system. However, Peggy Penn and Lyn Hoffman (who have
actively avoided by the therapist (see Minuchin et al., 1967, acted as commentators on their work and further developed
pages 285-288). We can see here that although Minuchin the Milan framework) refer to an idea of a "co-evolutionary
gives a very specific discussion it is confined to a descriptive model" (see Penn, 1982; Hoffman, 1981). To quote Penn:
and pragmatic consideration. the family and therapist attempt to relate in a way that co-
As noted earlier, the core concern of strategic family evolves the therapist family ecology (1982, page 269)
therapy with tactical interventions in behavioural sequences and later:
leads to a strictly pragmatic acknowledgement of feelings, this model is best considered as a co-evolutionary model, for
both of the family and the therapist. This same characteristic once joined in therapy, the therapist and family co-evolve
together, forming a new context that is wholly subject to change
mitigates against any reflection on the emotional interaction
(1982, page 280).
of therapist and family which is not immediately useful to
the therapy. Leupnitz identifies the oppositional dualism Now, even if we dispense with the biological metaphor, and
between reflection and change as a corner-stone of the just stick to an idea of the development of a special
strategic approach (Leupnitz, 1988, page 82). This dualism therapeutic system, there is space here for thinking about
the emotional interaction of therapist and family. However,
is an example of a theoretical premise which actively excludes
this remains at the level of a tantalising theoretical possi-
consideration of the emotional interaction of therapist and
bility unless we move to asking further questions about
family as a process.
exactly how the Milan frame would conceptualise this inter-
I think that the major restraint in structural and strategic
action. It is at this point that we encounter difficulties. To
models moving beyond a pragmatic description of the take the specific examples of my feelings with the three
emotional interaction of therapist and family, is that they families, it seems to me that the Milan framework offers
rely on a view of the therapist as being outside the family only very general clues as to how I might make sense of these
system in the process of therapy. This means that it is nearly feelings. This is the frustration of trying to use a framework
impossible to conceptualise the relationship of therapist and which allows conceptual space but offers little theoretical
family in an interactional way, and this is the defining guidance.
limitation of first-order cybernetics. Moreover, to the extent In spite of this, it is still worthwhile identifying the kind
that feelings and emotions are addressed in these of directions the Milan model might give. The first direction
approaches, I suspect that we are looking at a linear concept would be for the therapist actively to use her feelings and
of feelings as the internal property of individuals. If I'm the interaction with the family to generate positive systemic
right, this is rather paradoxical, given an analytic framework hypotheses. So I could use feeling as if I were walking on
allows for a radically interactionist concept of feelings. But eggshells and about to go to a funeral, in constructing a
this is all very tentative. systemic scenario around the child eating too much and
It might be important for me to re-state here that I am getting too big. Similarly, I could use finding myself wanting
exploring the possibilities of thinking about the emotional to attack and reject the mother ("your eyes are evil") to
interaction of therapist and family, and that my comments hypothesise protective scenarios in the family around feeling
on structural and strategic approaches concern the frightened and hurt. It is important to note that within a
conceptual possibilities they allow. I do not think for a Milan frame, these feelings are not used to lead back to the
moment that either of these models precludes emotionally "truth" of the family's experience, but rather to allow possi-
very sensitive practice on the part of the therapist. The bilities for re-thinking the family's dilemma and prompting
absence of theoretical attention to the emotional interaction a new context of meaning.
of therapist and family could present issues in training or The second general direction a Milan frame would give
evaluation, but these are different questions again. is to focus on the effect of the therapist's feelings on her
But let's turn to the Milan frame, which offers some space on-going interaction with the family. In this way, the
for thinking about the emotional interaction of family and relationship between therapist and family is viewed in much
therapist precisely because of its commitment to the idea the same way as relationships within the family. Attention
that for the duration of the therapy, the therapist and family is drawn to how the therapist shows (or doesn't show) her
form a special system. This is the meaning of the application feelings, who she shows them to in the family, what sense
of "second-order cybernetics" or Von Foerster's notion of the family make of this and what they do in return. In short,
"the cybernetics of cybernetics". It is intentionally a more the focus is on the interactional pattern which emerges
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between therapist and family and the system of meanings Although I've drawn some contrasts between different
which accompanies it. Thus, when I feel hopeless and inade- models within systemic family therapy and between the
quate, what sense do I make of it and what do I do? Do frameworks of analytic therapy and systemic family therapy,
I read it as a signal of the family's hopelessness, and does I have not wanted to force an oppositional comparison. It's
that make me try to console and reassure them? Do I feel perhaps clear from this that I have my own agenda of'
the family are criticising me by having monumental looking for connections between analytic and systemic
backslides, and show this by becoming emotionally distant therapy, rather than establishing the legitimacy of one
and/or blaming? And whatever feeling I express in whatever framework by disqualifying another. This is all to say that
way, what meaning does the family give to what I do, and I am happy enough to let different ideas sit side-by-side. It
what do they then do? may be that in the long-run, the jostling of different ideas
Both these directions are potentially helpful to the from different frameworks may produce richer under-
therapist, but require considerable work (and to some extent, standings of the emotional interaction of therapist and
creativity) on the part of the therapist to pursue the possi- family.
bilities. It is as if the Milan frame gives a signpost, but the
track is not clearly marked and can easily become confusing
or peter out. I find this frustrating and disappointing, but Acknowledgements
perhaps I'm being impatient. It may be that the question I would like to thank Coli Osman, Gill Burrell, Kerrie James and members
of exactly how we might think about the emotional inter- of my women and writing group for their ideas and encouragement.
action of family and therapist from within a Milan
framework will have to be a longer-term project, and such
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