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Expansion 2
As you have stated grade 2 is not allowable for ASME use. We do not use grade 2 here so I will not be able to quote you an expansion joint constructed from grade 2. The
only option I can offer to you is the one I have quoted from 316SS.
The maximum temperature I will design a 625 bellows to is 1200F. Any temperature higher than this will be a different material.
Best regards,
Andrew
Dear Andrew,
Based on ASME Sec II Part. D, the temperature limitation of Alloy 625 can be used up to 649 C for SB 443 Grade 1 (N06625) in ASME Sec VIII Div. 1.
On the other hand, another grade of Alloy 625 whose ASTM No. is SB 443 Grade 2 (N06625) can be used up to 871C. If SB 443 cannot be used due to ASME code
consideration,
SB 443 Grade 2 (N06625) must be considered instead of using SS 316. In addition,
solution annealing which is being applied for SB 443 Grade 2 has much better weldability so generally it is preferred and performed for good weldment quality of
Nickel alloy.
This matter is very urgent and essential for us to proceed our work.
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We kindly ask you to answer this by today, 8th May.
Sang-Bo Kim
DKT Co., Ltd. CPE Design Team/R&D Div.
TEL. : +82-52-701-7682
E-mail : sbkim@dkte.co.kr
" Excellence in Design on Faithful Basics "
I am sorry I cannot help you. The model number on the drawing is designed for 1150F and 3psi with an axial compression of 2 inches and a lateral movement of 1 inch. If
they are using it outside of those parameters then we have no responsibility. Perhaps you should ask your client if they have changed the design conditions of the
preheater and never updated the expansion joint design. Also, since this unit has a 316LSS center spool it seems to me it was designed for a unit which was constructed
from 316SS and not for 304SS. They may be trying to use an expansion joint from a different design on a new unit.
Best regards,
Andrew
Dear Andrew,
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We understand that this model was used under these design conditions.
Could you explain how this model was applied in these conditions?
This matter is very urgent and essential for us to proceed our work.
We kindly ask you to answer this by today, 7th May.
Sang-Bo Kim
DKT Co., Ltd. CPE Design Team/R&D Div.
TEL. : +82-52-701-7682
E-mail : sbkim@dkte.co.kr
" Excellence in Design on Faithful Basics "
Please refer to the first email in this string. It clearly states the original design condition as 1150F and 3 psi. this part has been purchased from us in the past. That does not
mean that the design is still acceptable for your new design conditions. I am guessing that they simply copied the part number that was previously purchased.
We build our bellows to EJMA or ASME code. They state at what temperatures the materials can be used. We will not supply a bellows outside of these parameters.
If you want a bellows made from 625 you must lower your design temperature. If you cannot lower your design temperature then you must accept another material.
Best regards,
Andrew
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Hello, I’m Sang Bo – Kim in charge of design in DKT, Co. in Korea.
I appreciate your cooperation.
After reviewing the specification with estimate of 24” UFSP-0003-42-L-M15 model, we notice that it is not proper to our design condition
Therefore, we kindly ask you to send us new estimate for 24” UFSP-0003-42-L-M15 model to meet the below condition
If you have the proper type of this model, please provide detailed drawings and calculations, both to us.
Due to fast delivery date of the equipment, we have to make a purchase of bellows urgently.
We are expecting your quick and fast cooperation and reply.
Thanks,
Best regards,
___________________________________________
American BOA Inc.
Andrew Campbell
Industrial Division Sales Engineer
P.O. Box 1301
Cumming, GA 30028
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From: 김상보 [mailto:sbkim@dkte.co.kr]
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 10:35 PM
To: Andrew Campbell
Cc: JSLIM@dkte.co.kr; acediamond@daelim.co.kr; '김창변'
Subject: RE: REQUEST IN ESTIMATION OF BELLOWS
Dear Sir,
1. The original Licensor drawing specifies design temperature 1250F, not 1150F. However, still Inconel 625 was applied. If Inconel 625 can be used up to 1200F as you
mentioned in the email, it has discrepancy. Please explain.
2. Inform the exact specification of Inconel 625 applied in original data. As per ASME, there are some types of N06625 which have different allowable temperature range.
3. Please explain the allowable temperature range of Inconel 625 when used as bellows
4. We think that there is a specific reason to apply Inconel 625 in original design even though shell material is 304. do you have another reason for using SS316 instead of
Inconel 625 other than temperature?
This matter is very urgent and essential for us to proceed our work.
We kindly ask you to answer this by today, 3th May.
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Cc: '황덕천'; '김창현'; JSLIM@dkte.co.kr; 김상보
Subject: RE: REQUEST IN ESTIMATION OF BELLOWS
I am sorry. I am not sure I understand your question. I used 316SS (not 316LSS) because the temperature is too high to use 625. The absolute maximum temperature I can
use 625 is 1200F. the original Design temperature was 1150F so 625 was acceptable, but now it is 1274F so it cannot be 625.
Best regards,
Andrew
___________________________________________
American BOA Inc.
Andrew Campbell
Industrial Division Sales Engineer
P.O. Box 1301
Cumming, GA 30028
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From: Chang-Byun Kim(김창변) [mailto:shingy@dkte.co.kr]
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:53 PM
To: Andrew Campbell
Cc: '황덕천'; '김창현'; JSLIM@dkte.co.kr; 김상보
Subject: Re: REQUEST IN ESTIMATION OF BELLOWS
Importance: High
Dear Mr.Campbell,
Thanks,
Best Regards,
Excellence in Design
On Faithful Basics
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Design Team
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Person in charge : Chang-byun, Kim / Assistant engineer
Tel : +82-52-231-7351
Fax : +82-52-238-7917
E-mail : shingy@dkte.co.kr
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----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Campbell
To: 김상보
Cc: '김창변' ; '황덕천' ; '김창현' ; JSLIM@dkte.co.kr
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:04 PM
Subject: RE: REQUEST IN ESTIMATION OF BELLOWS
The quotation I supplied was with 316SS for the bellows. If you look at the calculation page it lists what the bellows material is. Let me know if you have more questions.
Best regards,
Andrew
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Dear Andrew,
Because of temperature, shall we change the bellows material 316L instead of Inconel 625?
Please provide detail information to us.
Best regards.
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Sang-Bo Kim
TEL. : +82-52-701-7682
E-mail : sbkim@dkte.co.kr
Best regards,
Andrew
Andrew,
Best regards,
The first design was specified by you on the drawing. I simply quoted it like we had built it before. The new design is completely different. You increased the
temperature, pressure, and movements. If you look at the bellows calculations that I sent with both quotations you can see how they are different.
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Can you please tell me what data you are looking for?
The only difference between the 2 is that I changed the bellows material since the temperature is too high to use INCO 625 and I increased the number of convolutions
due to the amount of movement. I chose 316LSS for the bellows because that is what your original design used for the center spool.
Let me know if you need any different information.
Best reagrds,
Andrew
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From: 김상보 [mailto:sbkim@dkte.co.kr]
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 5:07 AM
To: Andrew Campbell
Cc: '김창변'; '황덕천'; '김창현'; '안종규 상무님'; JSLIM@dkte.co.kr
Subject: RE: REQUEST IN ESTIMATION OF BELLOWS
Andrew,
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We appreciate your cooperation to provide the recommended model proper to the current process more.
we need the data compared with the former model type due to the approval of the client.
Therefore, we kindly ask you to send the additional data with merits and demerits compared with the former one.
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We kindly ask you to let us know that the new model bellows is appropriate and suitable for the attached drawing.
Please provide your thought and opinion.
Best regards,
Andrew,
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We appreciate your cooperation to provide the recommended model proper to the current process more.
we need the data compared with the former model type due to the approval of the client.
Therefore, we kindly ask you to send the additional data with merits and demerits compared with the former one.
Best regards,
Lim,
I have attached the email that I sent on 3/21/13 for the revised design. I also attached another email stating that the design may be changed. Please let me know if you
have any other questions.
Best regards,
Andrew
___________________________________________
American BOA Inc.
Andrew Campbell
Industrial Division Sales Engineer
P.O. Box 1301
Cumming, GA 30028
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immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying disclosure or distribution of contents of this e-mail is strictly forbidden.
From: 임진철 [mailto:jclim@dkte.co.kr]
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:32 AM
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To: '김상보'; Andrew Campbell
Cc: '김창변'; '황덕천'; '김창현'; 안종규 상무님
Subject: RE: REQUEST IN ESTIMATION OF BELLOWS
Greetings.
Thanks.
Best regards,
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LIM, JIN-CHEOL / DKT CPE PM Team
Tel : + 82-52-701-7214
C.P : +82-10-9308-2638
After reviewing the specification with estimate of 24” UFSP-0003-42-L-M15 model, we notice that it is not proper to our design condition
Therefore, we kindly ask you to send us new estimate for 24” UFSP-0003-42-L-M15 model to meet the below condition
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Axial Extension 0 inch over 5.2 inch
If you have the proper type of this model, please provide detailed drawings and calculations, both to us.
Due to fast delivery date of the equipment, we have to make a purchase of bellows urgently.
We are expecting your quick and fast cooperation and reply.
Thanks,
Best regards,
================================
" Excellence in Design on Faithful Basics "
DKT Co., Ltd.
CPE Design Team/R&D Div.
Sang-Bo Kim
TEL. : +82-52-701-7682
E-mail : sbkim@dkte.co.kr
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