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Sunnis, Ibn Taymiyyah & Philosophers - An Introductory Comparison
Sunnis, Ibn Taymiyyah & Philosophers - An Introductory Comparison
Sunnis, Ibn Taymiyyah & Philosophers - An Introductory Comparison
See Iootnote #1
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Ibn Taymiyyah said :
=- '-=' .'~ -~ -'-=`' =' '' .-- -' `- == ,=`' '-'-=' == '~-'~= -'~ '-~ '~ '-
_-~~ .`' =~' _-' `~'= `~'= =' = '=~ - =- ` '' -=' .-- .~ _`'
~~ -'`' ) '' -~ , _ 4 / 160 (
In the above statement, Ibn Taymiyyah addresses his opponent, who has stated that movement must
have a beginning, so it cannot be an attribute oI perIection. Ibn Taymiyyah responds to this:
'Beginning Ior its kind or each distinct movement? The Iirst is impossible, but the second is accepted
as true. (ar Taaarud A-Aql wa-n-Naql, 4/160)
In other words, it is not impossible that there are inIinitely many movements in the past in Ibn
Taymiyyah's view, and it can be an attribute oI Aaah, since it is an attribute oI perIection in his view.
This is based on his belieI that Aaah is a body, because a body that cannot move is 'stuck and it is
better to be able to move than to be stuck. Sunnis believe that Aaah is not a body, so the attributes oI
being able to move or being stuck do not apply to Him. Note that movement is not an attribute oI
perIection, because movement happens due to the need to move, although being stuck is even worse, as
it signiIies inability to do what one needs to to do. Both movement and being stuck are thus attributes
oI imperIection.
Ibn Taymiyyah also said:
ex|st|ng |n someth|ng
e|se 1hat |s to ascr|be
attr|butes to A[[aah that
negate what does not
bef|t n|m 1hey a|so
agreed to ascr|be to n|m
mean|ngs re|ated to
creat|ng such as
prov|d|ng creat|ng
contro|||ng etc %Adh
Dhakh||rah 106)
bases for Lhls ls Lhe Curanlc
Pe does noL resemble
anyLhlng" whlch ls
undersLood llLerally and any
oLher scrlpLure ls undersLood
ln llghL of lL 1he reason for
Lhls ls LhaL Lhe reallLy of Lhe
CreaLors exlsLence musL be
compleLe ln perfecLlon and
creaLed exlsLence ls need ln
each and every sense
because lL needs a creaLor
Slnce Aaah ls noL creaLed
Pe cannoL resemble creaLed
Lhlngs 1hls ls shown by Lhe
Curanlc rheLorlcal ls Lhe
Cne LhaL CreaLes llke whaL
does noL creaLe?"
ls Laklng all scrlpLures
ascrlblng a meanlng Lo Aaah
accordlng Lo Lhe cusLomary
meanlngs Lhe meanlngs LhaL
apply Lo creaLlon Pe Lhen
lnLerpreLs Lhe Curanlc Pe
does noL resemble anyLhlng"
accordlngly Pe undersLands
Lhls nonresemblance Lo
mean dlfferenL from creaLlon
Lhe way creaLed Lhlngs dlffer
from one anoLher so Pe ls
blgger ln slze Lhan anyLhlng
else sLronger eLc
Accordlngly he lnLerpreLed
words ascrlbed Lo Aaah ln
Lhe scrlpLures as meanlng
physlcal aLLrlbuLes and
change such as llmbs place
movemenL emoLlons and so
on
S|m||ar|ty to ph||osophers 7 Ident|ca| D|sagree
8 1he ph||osophers den|ed
that A[[aah knows
part|cu|ars %Adh
Dhakh||rah 172)
Aaah knows everyLhlng
wlLh an eLernal knowledge
LhaL does noL change
Pe sald LhaL Aaah knows
everyLhlng buL LhaL lL
changes over Llme ln Lerms
of parLlculars as Lhe fuLure
becomes pasL
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) ,' ,'-' , / 127 ( : + ~ -~+=' =~' '~ ` _-- ` '~+ : =- ` - '-- =~ ~'=' .= ` =
-'' ~-- -- '~~ =~ -= ~'--' - -=- '-~~ - ~ ' _= ,~'
"So this is not correct except according to what they innovated by their saying 'Aaah does not move
and things do not come into existence in Him, by which they denied that He settled on the throne
aIter being unsettled and that He comes on the Day oI Judgment and other things that Aaah described
HimselI with in the Qur'aan and hadiith." (Al-Fataawaa Al-Kubraa, /128)
He also said:
- _'-~' `- =' ~=' --= ) . _'+-~ -~' --' , . 182 (
It has become clear that other than the necessary in existence can inIluence the necessary in existence
(the necessary in existence, i.e. Allaah).
This shows that Ibn Taymiyyah considered Aaah to have bodily attributes based on his understanding
oI the scripture texts. He understood them according to the customary meanings that are true oI
creation.
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Ibn Taymiyyah said regarding Aaah's attribute oI knowledge:
'~ ' '+ --- -= =- ` ' ~ ~-~ -- - --' -~- , ~~' -- '~ .-- '~- ~- -- - :
'~=' '~= ~~= -~= ~=~' ' - '~- _= - - -~ `~= ~=~' - -
~=~ '' - '=' ' ' ~ .-~ -= ~ '~- ) .--' .-' ' -~ - ) / 169 (
"This attribute is beginningless, since it is impossible that He be attributed with it as some particular
time (and not others). However, one should not delve deeply on this and end up saying what the kalaam
scholars say: "Verily He knows the event when it happens with a beginningless knowledge," Ior this
S|m||ar|ty to ph||osophers 7 D|sagree S|m||ar (becoose tbls meoos
be belleveJ tbot Alloobs
koowleJqe ls boooJeJ by
tlme )
9 1he ph||osophers
d|scussed whether the
un|verse |tse|f as a tota|
body has a se|f that
speaks and moves by
w||| %AdhDhakh||rah
179)
1he Sunnls sald Lhere ls no
way of knowlng such a Lhlng
wlLhouL revelaLlon from
Aaah
l havenL seen lbn 1aymlyyah
menLlon Lhls so well glve
hlm Lhe beneflL of Lhe doubL
S|m||ar|ty to ph||osophers 7 D|sagree D|sagree
101he ph||osophers sa|d
that norma| cause
actua||y |nf|uences |n
rea||ty |ts effect |e the
causes between created
th|ngs such as g|ass h|ts
f|oor g|ass breaks |s a
matter of rea|
|nf|uence %Adh
Dhakh||rah 219)
1he Sunnls sald LhaL Lhe hlL
Lo Lhe floor and Lhe breaklng
of Lhe glass are Lwo dlfferenL
creaLlons of Aaah Lhus Lhe
hlL has no real lnfluence
only apparenLly and
accordlng Lo Lhe normal
correlaLlon LhaL Aaah has
creaLed beLween Lhlngs
such as heaL burn hlL
break [ump off cllff fall
down eLc
lbn 1aymlyyah ls exLremely
vague on Lhls lssue
Powever hls vlew seems
close Lo LhaL of Lhe
MuLazllah whlch ls LhaL
Aaah creaLes a power ln
creaLed Lhlngs LhaL Lhey use
lndependenLly by Pls
permlsslon
S|m||ar|ty to ph||osophers 7 D|sagree D|sagree
111he Ar|stote||ans
be||eved that bod|es do
not conta|n |nd|v|s|b|e
e|ements that are not
d|v|s|b|e |n the m|nds
eye
1he Asharlyys agreed LhaL lf
bodles are dlvlded one
would evenLually reach a
parLlcle LhaL ls noL dlvlslble
-oL by force and noL even ln
Lhe mlnds eye
lbn 1aymlyyah agreed wlLh
Lhe ArlsLoLellans and
crlLlclzed Lhe Asharlyys for
Lhelr clalm LhaL all bodles
musL conslsL of lndlvlslble
parLlcles
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S|m||ar|ty to ph||osophers 7 D|sagree Ident|ca|
implies that the knowledge oI something previously non-existing during both its existence and non-
existence one single knowledge. This is irrational, because knowledge Iollows what exists."
He says this, because He believes Aaah to must be in time, since He believes He is a body (see
Iootnote1,) and that Aaah's beginninglessness is a beginningless series oI moments. See one oI Ibn
Taymiyyah's Iollower's argument Ior this with a rebuttal here: Aaah is not in time.
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Ibn Taymiyyah said:
_'+-~ -~' --' ( . 138): ----~' `' .=- '` -=' ~-' - . -~~~' --- - .
-~=~' '~- ` -`- '- ~ .'`' ~-~' _ -~~~' ` '~ -~= +=-~ .- `' ~=~'
-~' ~' ~~ -~' ~-`' .
"Some oI the authors in Kalaam science make the aIIirmative belieI in the indivisible particle
oI bodies the saying oI the Muslims, and claim that denying it is the saying oI the non-
Muslims. This is because they don't know anything about the sayings oI the Muslims except
what they Iound in the books oI their shaykhs, the people oI kalaam science, the innovation in
religion that the SalaI and the Imams spoke against." (inhaaf As-Sunnah An-Nabawiyyah,
138)
121he |aton|c
ph||osophers be||eved
that the human sou| |s
beg|nn|ng|ess
Ar|stote|eans d|sagreed
%AdhDhakh||rah 248)
lL ls lmposslble LhaL oLher
Lhan Aaah could exlsL
wlLhouL a beglnnlng
Slnce lbn 1aymlyyah allows
for creaLed klnds Lo be
eLernal he would say LhaL
Lhe human soul as a klnd
could be beglnnlngless even
lf he dld noL say Lhls abouL
Lhe soul ln parLlcular
S|m||ar|ty to ph||osophers D|sagree S|m||ar
131he ph||osophers den|ed
bod||y resurrect|on as
we|| as ne|| and
arad|se and sa|d that
what the prophets sa|d
regard|ng th|s are a||
f|gures of speech %Adh
Dhakh||rah 261)
Slnce Lhe apparenL meanlng
of Lhe scrlpLures ls LhaL Lhere
wlll be bodlly resurrecLlon
and Pell or aradlse for
Lhem we musL accepL Lhls
1here ls no rellable evldence
conLrary Lo Lhls 1he
phllosophers reasoned LhaL
Lhe nonexlsLenL cannoL re
exlsL because lL wlll be
someLhlng else 1he answer
ls LhaL ls was posslble ln
exlsLence ln Lhe flrsL place
so one cannoL say lL
becomes lmposslble ln
exlsLence afLer LhaL
lbn 1aymlyyah has no
dlspuLe wlLh Sunnls on Lhls
maLLer as far as l know
S|m||ar|ty to ph||osophers 7 D|sagree D|sagree
141he ph||osophers
deve|oped the|r
op|n|ons on theo|ogy
w|thout support from
reve|at|on %Adh
Dhakh||rah 270)
1he prlmary bases for
rellglous knowledge are Lhe
Curaan and hadllLh
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As for
Lhe mlnd lLs role ls Lo
concepLuallze and [udge ln
Lerms of Lrue and false lL ls
Lhe Lool by whlch Lhe
scrlpLures can be undersLood
Lhrough sound deducLlve
reasonlng and avoldlng
conLradlcLory ldeas lL ls noL
ln lLself a Lool for knowlng
facLs of rellglon Powever
Lhe knowledge LhaL Aaah
exlsLs has Wlll ower and
knowledge can be achleved
wlLhouL scrlpLure because
creaLlon deflnlLely needs a
creaLor Llkewlse Lhe mlnd
alone can reach Lhe
lbn 1aymlyyah clalms Lo sLlck
Lo Lhe scrlpLures more Lhan
anyone buL due Lo hls
bllndness he ended up
undersLandlng Lhem ln a
conLradlcLory manner
10
and
ln a way LhaL rulns Lhe
premlses for provlng LhaL
Aaah exlsLs by observlng
creaLlon
lor deLalls see Lhe ul
arLlcle
8aLlonal Curanlc lslam vs
Wahablsm
See also
lor chlldren Pow can we
know LhaL all oLher rellglons
Lhan lslam are lncorrecL
9
Scholarly ijmaa` consensus and Islamic legal analogy (qiyaas) are also prooIs, oI course, but these are
established as prooIs by Qur'aan and hadiith.
10
This article addresses this problem: The Simple` Wahabi BelieI II: Contradiction versus narration
concluslon LhaL Muhammad
lbn Abduaah was lndeed
Lhe Messenger of Aaah ln
shorL Lhe premlses for
knowlng LhaL Lhe Curaan
and Lhe ropheLs Leachlngs
are sources of Lrue
lnformaLlon are reached by
Lhe mlnd by observaLlon of
Lhe naLure of creaLlon
when Lhere are so many?"
S|m||ar|ty to ph||osophers 7 D|sagree D|sagree
MUSLIM say|ngs versus
those of the ph||osophers
Ibn 1aym|yyahs say|ngs
versus those of the
ph||osophers
Number of d|sagreements 13 7
Number of agreements 1 S
Number of s|m||ar|t|es 0 2
1ota| number of be||efs
compared
14 14
of agreements 7 36
of s|m||ar say|ngs 0 14
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